Macrodosing: Arian Foster and PFT Commenter - Casey Anthony

Episode Date: December 8, 2022

On today's episode of Macrodosing, the crew takes a deep dive into the Casey Anthony case that still leaves everyone unsure of what actually happened. You'll hear every different angle and opinion from the entire show including all the facts. Also, Billy has a take on parenting and of course, some fan voicemails at the end. All of this and so much more on the show. Enjoy!You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/macrodosing

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and more specifically the new series on peacock that you can watch heavily featuring casey anthony um but we are we're back in studio i just i just put down some good kava for lunch that might be the most basic bitch thing that i do is i fucking love kava i will stand on the table for kava it's so good what is kava good question billy it is delicious food is what it is basically like Mediterranean It's like the Mediterranean Chipotle Huh

And so they've got wraps They've got salads I'm basically doing an ad for coffee right now You know what I had the other day That was suspiciously Like Chipotle but wasn't This Korean Goat

Golgogi grill But they did it Chipotle style So you get a burrito Or a bulgogi bowl And it was just Korean style That sounds good I've seen that with

I've seen that with pokey too. Pokey's dope. Get like a pokey burrito. Yeah, but it's seaweed. It's like seaweed wrapped. You know what? Like growing up, we had fast food. I feel like fast food was everywhere for us.

We didn't have any of these like fast but also healthy places. Fast casual, as they said. Yeah, fast casual. There was no such thing as fast casual growing up. It was like you want food quickly. Well, go to Little Caesars. That's because you guys were like inhaling that leaded gasoline. Yeah, we got.

You didn't know any different. Yeah. no it also made us way cooler though like we our generation fucked around you guys all the young kids out there are too concerned with health right now yeah we have no lead in our brains yeah they're there can you imagine that like being a kid

in in high school right now and you're probably super concerned with like your diet and making sure that you don't get any like microplastics in your system the fuck out of here no they're they're just struggling with disorders dude that's pretty cool actually

what being concerned about health Yeah, not a bad thing to be concerned about. Not wanting to get cancer when you get older. Not a bad habit to have. I don't know, man. I was microwaveing everything when I was in high school. I loved it. I don't, I think the dope shit about our generation is we were young and cool and we know what life is like without the internet.

But we're also young enough to know what life is like with the internet. You know what I'm saying? We're like the only generation that I understand both. sides of things yeah how old were you when you got the internet hearing probably like 12 11 12 something like that it sounds about right for me too i think oh yeah the dial-up jump i remember my first website too never forget it saul williams dot com saw williams dot com why'd you go there saw williams was like my favorite like poet like um I found him just rubbing around on the internet and like he became like my favorite writer.

And to this day, he's like my favorite writer to this day. And he had a message board and on this message board people used to post poems and stuff. And it was like the first time I experienced like anonymity and being like free. Because like nobody around me was writing poetry. That shit was lame, right? Poetry was lame. And so it was like the first time I experienced the anonymity and the freedom to like express myself through literature. And the community was so welcoming that it was just, it was just like super dove.

And so I frequented it like almost every day. That's pretty cool. I'm trying to remember my first website that I love. So you're a Sal Goodman commenter. That was. Who's Sal Goodman? Wait, who's the guy he said? Sal Williams.

Saul Williams. Saul Goodman is better call Saul. So you're Sal Williams commenter. All of us were. It was dope. It was dope. Shout out to any of those people who are still alive. Have you ever gone back and tried to find your old comments?

Yeah. So he changed the entire platform of his website a long time ago. I tried to find it. I think I was in college I tried to find it because I had some good shit. And yeah, he changed the format and all those old message boards are wiped out. That's sad. Man, there's probably so much good content on the internet that's been deleted over the years just through websites going down. and you think that everything that goes online will stay online forever that's not true there's

internet graveyards out there ooh internet graveyards i like it yeah the way back machine doesn't touch everything although the way back machine is kind of cool um billy what was your first website that you frequented um actually mini clip was most frequented when i was younger and miniclip was back when Adobe Flash was enabled in all the browsers. And I think there was a secret plan hatch to get rid of the Adobe Flash player from computers to increase productivity of workers because you now can't play games on your on your computer anymore, like small little games. Like, FFX Runner, on the run, Commando, all those little games don't exist anymore.

Yeah. What about you, Big T? I don't know that I necessarily remember, like, a first website because I just, like, I feel like we had the internet as long as I've been cognizant. Yeah. So, yeah, I really don't know cool math games and mini-clip and shit. Like, obviously, I remember from school, but nothing. I don't ever remember being like, this is the first website I went to. like y'all would i guess i'm i'm very glad that i at least grew up where i had to find activities

without the internet to make myself amused like building blocks like there's this new ipad generation where like you see couples going out with their kids and the kids are just like on the iPad cheering the whole you get screened up yeah yeah like in i kind of think they might not be like watching parents talk i think is one of the ways you learn social skills so i feel like like they're robbing their kids at that by making them watch cartoons even though it might be just easier for the parents.

Yeah, you sound like my parents though when they were like you can't play video games it'll melt your brain. That's what they used to say about video games. No, I'm talking about young kids to just have headphones like babies and toddlers. Yeah, babies and toddlers.

That is weird to have like babies watching iPads but at the same time if you're just trying to go out on a date with your significant other, like whatever will shut the kid up unless you have some quiet time. Parents won't. Let me chime in. Let me chime in because I'm the only one with kids. There are horrible things for kids on those iPads, but there are also, it's just like anything

else. It's like there are very educational things. So like I think kids are actually going to learn their ABCs and their colors and their letters like way faster than any other generation because they have intricate ways of doing it. They have a really, really dope ways of doing it that get kids involved way earlier. Sure, you could just watch junk. all day, but there are some junk ones that I cannot fucking stand dog, like somebody's, like this is what I don't understand.

Like, these grown-ass people who manage their kids YouTube, like, and they have their kids in their YouTube channels with them and they play with them and they have like millions and millions of views. That shit is creepy as fuck to me, though. I can't stand to me either. They're dumb. They just,

they just, you just watching them play. Like, those are stupid. I hate when my daughter watches those. But, like, like there's educational tools um yeah so are you familiar with the kid who just opens toys he like unboxes toys

and that that fucker um I don't know his name but he's like seven or eight years old and a many times over millionaire yeah yeah they're like little eggs yeah my my daughter like uh pimped me in the getting her one I didn't know what it was until my other kids told me what it was yeah yeah he just opens toys yeah $11 million a year reviewing toys on YouTube He's 11 years old

Six years old, excuse me Six years old 11 million a year It's incredible I don't know what it is about the unboxing videos That people like That's one thing I've never really I don't get why they're popular The dope so you know when you get a package

And you open the package And there's like that dopamine rush That's what they're simulating It's like it's literally like porn for open boxes Okay Yeah That's weird I know

but there's all sorts of stuff that's really strange what do you think back in the day like before screens before TV I'm talking 1800s what do you think parents were like you can't do this it'll melt your brain what was the activity that they thought was like bad playing pool

like playing billiards was like the sign of the devil right well that's a lot of gambling and drinking around playing pool playing pools for the undesirables playing cards cards playing gambling playing jacks coffee coffee was supposed to be when they just when they first introduced coffee like the

Netherlands in Europe from you know colonization's like trade they there's like tons of anti coffee posters like women don't let your men drink coffee you'll make them infertile and not want to do stuff with you what about what about doing um just like don't read you think parents were like books are books are destroying your mind with the Gutenberg printing press came out yeah like all all the children are doing these days, they're going into their rooms with their books. Don't read.

That's what I'm saying. Has there ever been a generation of parents who are like, man, our kids are doing it right. There's never been that generation. It's always been, man, kids nowadays. There's never been that generation. Yeah, you're right.

I think like everybody likes to complain about younger people. That's kind of what it is. That's what we do. But it's probably the exact same thing where, like, books, the printing press happens. And parents are like, my kid all these pages are melting their brains I only let my children have like three minutes of page time a day because they have to learn how to sit with us in the parlor and talk like normal

people and then next thing you know like it's actually the best thing that your children could be doing is reading all the time fast forward a thousand years I was back when child labor was a thing so it's like the kids need to get to work being all you goddamn reading yeah yeah so he doesn't does his fucking books he takes no interest in the coal mine actually wasn't that true was that true about some inventor i think thomas was it thomas edison who used to like skip work or it was uh mark twain i think mark twain used to skip work to like read books and like and go like swimming it is kind of wild to think that i don't know 150 years ago like five-year-olds would just like pack a pack a lunch bail and then go

to a factory and like hit a time clock and then have to work all day like mending screen doors and shits they had a boss their boss was like 12 yeah their boss was like 12 the 5 year old reported to like a 12 year old

who had worked up the ranks for being 5 they get home from work they're like hanging their hat on on the on the hat rack putting their feet up their mom's asking to do chores they're like I just got home from work can't i breathe for half a second though the first thing they do is just like give their parents the money yeah i mean also they were ripping sighings and like drinking yeah like there was

they got cigarette breaks like a five-year-old would get a cigarette there there was a gang on the lower the lower west side docks uh new york city back in like the early 1900s late 1800s and they were called the powder boys and that was because they were doing cocaine while working how'd they turn out I don't know they probably died when they were all 30 well they probably died World War I yeah that's true

off the powder man child labor I kind of want to make a movie about just like that that era in life with all these kids that were expected to just act like grownups from the time that they were four well think about it

kids kind of do like in all these iPad games a lot of what they're doing in these games is simulated work like collect all of these like do all of these tasks for interaction like that's a reach I know but it's it's it's kind of what they're seeking out labor nowadays child labor is getting your kid and then filming them unboxing shit yeah and then they're making tons of money by the way that number I quoted

was from 2017 he makes 30 million a year now oh my god that is child labor that's there's a big discourse on the internet happening right now because people are like you are exploiting your children without their consent especially if they're that young and they can't like consent to being filmed I think he's uh he'll be all right with it when he turns 18 and gets a 100 million dollar check but at the same time that kid's going to turn 18 and he's going to be like internationally famous which he did not sign up for and then every like that's that's a weird experience to like go through life being famous because of some that your parents chose for you and there's No rules.

Like, there's, people are, what's the, the, like, child actor law? There's some child actor law that can't think of right now. But people are like, that needs to expand into, like, the family bloggers, like, the LeBrant family, if anyone knows who they are, like, because these children aren't consenting and you don't know what the parents are doing with that money. Yeah. That's a great point. And they're putting, they're putting their children on the internet with, you know, pretty

much no, you don't know what people are doing with that. Yeah, you probably have stalkers. You probably have stalkers or people. that are you know trying to sexually on on exploit your child yeah on the flip side I love the people who exploit their pets on for content that's different totally different but like the dogs with Instagram pages and stuff like I love looking at those yeah but I think and you can tell the dogs you're happy right but I think right now it's like there's a lot of people that are putting like they're toddlers who just don't know what's going on on the internet making millions of dollars

and then it's like okay so my mom put me on the internet when I'm was an infant and I was forced into this life that now I have to look back and be like oh my mom was using me for ad deals like that's kind of a weird way to grow up with which would suck if you were poor but however but you might end up you might end up being the poor when your your parent could suck ass and just take all of your money from you it's not like if it's I feel like there's got to be some sort of law that like if you're the one doing it they have to set it aside or something that's what they're saying is like they need to make that an escrow yeah there needs to be some law demanding the like rights of

the child in the content rather than the parent being just this like all encompassing being that can do whatever they want with their child in their face and basically they're like an image image and likeness yeah nil for four year olds yeah let's get it about time but maybe that kid I mean, it's inevitable. Yeah, that's what's going. Also, because I'm sure you and I have different algorithms on TikTok, I get family bloggers like all the time. They creep me out.

Yeah. Family bloggers, because they, the entire point is to act like they have a perfect life, right? Yeah. And they never do. The people that act like they have a perfect life usually are the ones where it's like these people are insane. Yeah. Because it takes a crazy amount of curation.

and presentation to put yourself out there and make everything look super polished and everything look like you have such a great life and the people that do that it's like you are you are not being authentic there's something really strange going on behind the scenes and most of the time there is yeah what if there was like like relatable family bloggers who like show like everything there is there's this one family called eight passengers I hope someone listening to this knows what I'm talking not there's this family called eight passengers and the mom is crazy and they're super super um like conservative and religious and the mom is like anything you do i'll take the doors off she'll record you fighting with them she'll record them getting punished she records everything did these people

go to jail no no i oh i i do you know who i'm talking about no apparently not but there was some family that sounded like similar to what you were talking about but someone went to jail i think okay well she's not she's not Jill they're getting a divorce though imagine the go pro video like you know like in a minivan like the classic shot of for some reason I have modern family pictured in my head with these family bloggers but the shot where they're in the car and the father's just like the kids are fighting the back he's like I will turn this car around like that they record they record that and then it's like and which none of these kids are over 18 anyways but then it's like they're these kids in this specific I'm talking about are like

13, 14, like, can you imagine a worst time in your life to have everything on the internet that you do? Well, so here's what happens in this eight passengers situation. The dad and the mom are getting divorced. Well, I don't know about that. I don't know about that, but there's all these rumors got started about them because they're massive fan base. And then people who have drama YouTube channels and TikTokers that I tune into.

Went back, scrubbed like all the videos. videos they've ever put up, found like the worst parts of it and then reported this family to like CPS. And so child protective services now is giving them a hard time and visiting their house like trying to make sure that everything's okay. Doing like welfare tax. So even if you do have like a decent family, the freaks that get really into paying attention to the family YouTubers and TikTokers, they'll go out there and they'll like try to get you reported for doing something bad and end up ruining your life that way. It just seems. Like, turning your entire family into a TV show is not a great idea.

No, unless you're the Kardashians, like, there's no happy ending for you. Yeah, it's really worked out well for them. Right. I just found out the, uh, I got to say, you know what? Fuck the Kardashian family because they definitely kept years of Kanye West content hidden from us and edited. Didn't he not want to be on it? Yeah. But he, but I'm sure that he.

He was around when the cameras were rolling occasionally. Like obviously, yeah. And they protected them. We could have, we could have known all this stuff about Kanye years ago, probably. There was that report. There was that report like a while ago. They were like their sources that. Nobody believed it because I think it was like CNN that reported it.

But it was like, they have sources close to the family to say Kanye likes Hitler. And nobody really, it didn't really pick up any steam because it was just like sources say. And then come to find out. He blew, he blew his own top of there. He was probably the source. So it was probably the one telling him. sources say there's a shrine in the Kardashian house that Kanye frequents but it's always off film

okay so yeah child protective services have been called to to the eight passengers house and then yeah there's like people there's websites reporting on like their child being suspended from school and why it's really it's nuts it's weird to do that to your own family or like think about the original family vlogger like john and k plus eight look how they turned up. Their one son is doing a tell all on entertainment tonight. Or the Duggan family.

Dugger? Dugger. Dugger family in Arkansas. I can go through all 19 right here right now. Do it. Okay. Oh shit. I didn't, I shouldn't said that. Josh, Janna, John David, Jill, Jessa, Ginger, Joseph, Josiah, Jolla, Jeremiah, Jason, James, Justin Jackson, Johanna, something and Josie. You're a freak. That's ridiculous.

I'm at least. It's going to help us in a dozen, but It's kind of cool I was obsessed with them growing up but now they're crazy they've always been crazy yeah now they're criminals

well how many of them are criminals I think just I think just one no several how many kids were there Josh Josh is the bad

Josh is the bad criminal the dad has been indicted for stuff before and then I think two more of the brothers oh really don't I mean don't call me on that that's a whole crime family

why are they committing crimes together if they all like committing crimes. I think they probably were committing crimes together. Those are the only people that they hang out with. Like, there is a family. That's this how the mafia develops. There's something about that the dad. Has the dad, has he ever been found to do anything shady?

Yeah, he ran for office a couple of times in Arkansas. There's something about a person that would choose to have 19 children. Because they, I think it's like narcissism. No, they're fundamentalist Baptist, but fundamental. Baptist. I think it's narcissism where the guy's like, I need more of myself to be out in the world. It's also this create more Christians thing.

Yeah, it's like they're in that sect of Christianity where it's like we need to reproduce and give as many people to the world as we possibly can. That poor woman. Be fruitful and multiply. Yeah, basically. Yeah. After like, after 10,

she's got to be like, come on, man. Like, what else do you want for? Doesn't it get easier? I don't know. uh i none of none of us know here i would no i would doubt that it gets like that the 19th is easy and also you have 19 kids so you're at least like you're 30 years older than you were when we started like she's probably spent close to 50% of her life pregnant that's wild and way more than 50% of her adult life yeah like most most of her adult life she probably how long do you have to wait after a child to get pregnant again

probably like um you're supposed to wait like three months at the very least yeah they probably have an alarm set yeah well it's irish twins irish twins yeah i don't think and i don't think they have any irish twins in the family if i'm remember what is that what's in what's an irish twins when two kids are born within a calendar year of each other but they're not twins i thought it was within two years one or 16 months something like that 19 kids is just way way way way too much That was my shit growing up. Well, you enabled them. I did.

I put money in their pockets. Every time one of them gets in trouble, you should just remember. It's my fault. Those parents were big time like, you can't watch TV anything. Oh, yeah. You can just be on TV. Yeah. Exactly.

We don't do TV. We don't dance. The women don't wear pants. The whole courting system. Yeah. Women don't wear pants. No, they all wore long skirts. Yeah.

Oh. Yeah, they do wear something. I was like, what the fuck? Yeah, no, they just wore like skirts or dresses and then Yeah, they had to go through that whole like courting process So like if one, I would be married with 10 children at this point of my life if I were one of them But if I want to get married, the man would have to like talk to my father and be like I would like to court Madeline And then you would have to side hug for a couple months in night

Side hug, what's that? Like, you know, they didn't like hug or kiss or anything Yeah, they had their first kiss at their wedding The side hugs for like The side hug? Did you guys not know any of this? No. I watched the show.

The sidehugs what you give the dude who comes up to and says, where my hug at? Yeah. But yeah, they would side hug and then they'd save their first kiss for their wedding day. And obviously like everything else for their wedding night. And then the mom would like have a speech with a daughter like here's what you're going to have to do on your wedding night. And then you're going to have to do that every night for the next 40 years. Birds and the bees on wedding night.

Yeah. And they're like 19 when they're getting married. Oh, my God. And then they go to prison. Did anybody in the family, like, leave and say, like, this is fucked up? Yes. So now, now as the job, Josh, the oldest has been, is in prison. He left involuntarily.

Yeah, he had, he's the guy that had a shed, right? He had like a child porn shed. Yes. He had a child porn shed. And he touched his sisters inappropriately growing up. But so he's gone and in jail as he should be. I'd hope so. Yes.

But several of the middle sisters that I liked growing up all left and kind of like woke up to what they were going through. And they're like, this is nuts. They all wear pants now. They all have jobs. Like they kind of are breaking the cycle that they were brought into. And they're like, you know, obviously my brother took advantage of me. I was, you know, molested and no one did anything about it. Wait, what?

They were getting each. The Josh, the one who's in jail now for the child porn thing. touched his sisters inappropriately when he was a teenager and they were younger than him. Oh, my God. Can you power rank the Duggers? I can't power rank all 19. They're all pretty low. Give me top 10. No, a couple of them were pretty cool. I'm trying to remember, uh, Jessa, maybe. Jessa, Ginger. Um, Jessa's not the one I was thinking of, but she is cool. Yeah, Jessa, Ginger. One of them has a nose ring now, which is sick. Josh, Janna, John David, Jill. Jill. Jill. Jessa.

Maybe it's Jill that I'm thinking of. Joanna was my favorite growing up. She was a tomboy. She's still kind of stuck in her ways. And then Josh's wife, I feel bad for Anna. Feel bad for her. All of the, most of the girls actually kind of broke out of their cycle. Yeah.

And then like obviously a lot of the guys still benefit from that cycle. So they stay in it. Ginger, Ginger's the one I like it. Ginger's a goat. Wait, how do they benefit? Did anybody marry outside of their race? No. That would have been an interesting episode.

Ginger's husband's last name is V-O-O-O-O-O-O, and he looks, I don't want to speak out of turn. I think he's pretty white, still. First I thought you were about that. Did anybody marry anyone who wasn't in their family? I mean, they might be related. I'm sure that there's some There's some distant cousins Some very distant cousins

Yeah Yeah a lot of them married into a Into the same family Which is the Bates family And they also they had 17 kids And so they would The Bates family had 17 These kind of didn't they get a show?

Yeah they had a show too So it was like an arms race Between these two families Yeah And then they consolidated power Yeah And so How much money do you have to make

To be able to afford 19 children? He was like really rich. He had like a bunch of businesses, I think. And yeah, he ran for governor or senator for Arkansas. And I also think once you get a TLC show that does absolute numbers every week, you get that. That's true. They had like a compound. Again, you have to when you have that many kids, but they had like a whole compound. Yeah, but then the kids enter in Arkansas. How, I mean, is it expensive? How do you make a meal? They had a kitchen. They had like a cafeteria kitchen. Slop. They're lining up. Like they had it.

Where it was like It sounds like so much work Like your entire That's your job is to just That is a puppy mill for children Yes you're running your family Like it's a like it's a school almost Yeah and they homeschooled them

Oh my God what the fuck And that's well you knew those people didn't trust That's true schools That's true They probably never saw anyone outside of their family For like long time Besides the TLC film crew Yeah

And the Today show Because every time that she would have a baby They'd go on the Today show And I remember every time My mom would be like the Duggers are going on the Today Show like oh number 18 is on the way So just every year just once a year

Yeah they'd go on the Today Show Every September I'll be back We have we have a big announcement I'm like oh what could it be Another baby All right so wait tell me what's the best one I like I think

Jessa Let me look not I mean Jessa and Ginger Yeah I think Jessa and Ginger My two She's got an Instagram account

They have, yeah, like, those are the ones that broke out of it. They have insured accounts. They were pants. One of them has a nose ring. So it's like, they wear pants. These guys literally went through puberty and the only people around them were their family members. Yeah. Jesus.

Do they go to dances? No, they didn't dance, period. Oh. It was like footloose. They didn't dance. No, they said dancing was, you know, provocative. And at some point, the older, the older siblings have to basically. become parents to the younger.

Yeah, the one, the oldest girl never got married is still not married and she's now like probably almost 40 and she was, I mean, the true mother of it all, you know, and they just, they all had a buddy system too. So because there's just so many kids, they would have like an older sibling take on a younger sibling. So it's basically just two on two. Ginger has written a book called Becoming Free Indeed and it is, quote, about disentangling faith from fear, which I feel like

it's kind of a shot at her parents. Yeah. I mean, yeah, I don't think they all have the closest relationship with their parents anymore. Yeah, that sounds like they don't love them that much. I mean, also shout out Antonio Cromarty. He's got 14 kids. That's a lot of. You got 14 now? 14 kids. And Nick Cannon's got like 12. His wife had a, what's it called?

she had her tubes died whatever that procedure is and he got her pregnant with twins after that but got some super sperm wait wait no I'm mistaken he got a vasectomy and then he powered twins

through his vasectomy yeah them shit ain't really that reliable I hurt yeah I mean like if you're Antonio Cromartie and you're you finally say okay 12 is enough

you get you get your shit snipped and the next thing you know not one but two children are coming along at that point you just got to be like I can't have sex anymore

anal only anal only those are the rules in my house 14 kids is a lot now he does have eight different moms to the kids

but I think there might be I think it's like the six most recent or all with his wife but that's just a lot to keep track of that just from a

administrative standpoint that's a lot of phone numbers a lot of people you got to be texting checking up on people well what's going on in Nick Cannon's place whole lot of that how many kids does he have I think two women are pregnant right now

with 12 and 13 for him oh my God well Epstein was trying to do that Epstein was trying to do some like a eugenics program in New Mexico. Yeah, because he thought that he had the best genes, so he wanted to spread that shit around. Yeah, and he wanted to just, like, create, have a bunch of kids in a compound in New Mexico.

I don't think Nick Cannon is doing that. I think Nick Cannon just loves having sex. No, he's, he's on that train of I want to, I want to have a bunch of Nick Canons. Oh, really? That's, that's the news. That came out there like, oh, he's not just fucking a fuck. Like, he wants to have these children. Okay.

He's fucking deprocreate. That's very strange to me. same with a musk musk yeah musk wants to do that musk went on a rant about if you're not having sex for procreation it is the most pointless thing of all time

of course he did yeah what do we think about the twitter files big tea don't he have like 10ks too yeah he's got a few sneaky i didn't dig into that a whole bunch I saw the first initial thread that was like a week ago or so

that that guy did I haven't I've been seeing more tweets about it I haven't seen more tweets that are like the actual things Yeah. I mean, it's nothing that you wouldn't expect. Yeah, it was like Joe Biden's campaign asked Twitter to delete tweets about Hunter Biden's laptop, which it did because, of course, they did.

Yeah. But like, who's to say that other campaigns weren't also in contact with Twitter? Yeah, I am, uh, consider me not in the camp of anyone that is shocked. No, I'm not. Twitter was, uh, curtailing to the wishes of the Biden campaign. I'm not shocked. I'm not. They did, they did for both.

They did for both. That's what that thread was about. Yeah, I'm not, I'm not shocked about anything in there at all. It seemed to, like, I was reading through it and then everybody was saying, oh, this is so explosive. Oh, my God, I can't believe this is happening. It reminded me a lot of when somebody, you remember that dude, Seth Abramson? I remember the name vaguely. He would, he would write these long-ass threads about the Trump, like, crime family. And he's the kind a guy that would like spell their names in all caps letters to draw more attention to it and he'd have like a 60 thread or a 60 tweet thread talking about how like this one meeting between this Ukrainian guy that I've never heard of and like a secondary advisor was a smoking gun no one's no one's ever

going to go to jail and then and then everybody would be like oh my god I can't believe this just happened like this is Trump's going down for this and then all the democrats would get like super excited about it but it didn't mean shit and then normal people would read and be like I don't understand what any of this means why is this a big deal that's that's what's happening every time Elon Musk does something like that with with Twitter

I think yeah literally no one's going to go to jail ever ever of anybody disagree maybe Casey maybe Casey oh no she didn't go to jail either who's who's I mean she did she went to jail yeah she went to jail not prison different things not for murder yeah

but like who's gonna like I don't think any of politicians any like Trump's side right left no one's going to jail it's just everyone's threatened to put other people in jail but no one's actually going to go to jail I'm tired about hearing people send people to jail because no one's going to jail Hunter Biden's not going to jail

elite moment of that entire campaign when he said that he would he would put her right in prison because you'd be in jail he was a heavy wait he was a heavy wait moving on no one's going to jail Hunter Biden was literally like I could imagine Hunter Biden being more of a

why am I blanking on his name it's a party guy bang 20 20 gram rocks like a boss he's a tiger blood Charlie Sheen Charlie Sheen yeah no Hunter Byron was just Charlie Sheen he wasn't like manipulating

world governments yeah I think he was He was just a drug guy Him I mean how crazy He's just a big drug guy he like tried to scam Ukrainians out of A bunch of money tried to scam a bunch of Chinese people out of money but I don't think he got

more than a shit ton of money he got put on salary for that one place out in Ukraine but I don't think he had a shit ton I wouldn't call it a shit ton I mean millions of dollars is a shit ton of money to anybody how much did he actually get paid

let's Hunter Biden paid off paid off that's a good Google search Hunter Biden paid did Hunter Biden paid Did Hunter Byron receive 3.5 million? Because there's a difference also between saying that he got paid and he got given money as part of an investment. Because you could also say like Kushner just got paid $2 billion by the Saudis.

But they invested $2 billion into a project he was working on, which is different than just saying, here, we want to give you this money. Your own salary. Yeah, so Hunter Biden was a co-founder and CEO of the investment firm Rosemont Seneca Advisors, and a firm, 3.5 million was sent to a firm called Rosemont Seneca Advisors as a consultancy agreement. And it was done by the wife of late Moscow mayor, Yuri Lushkopf. That was just one example. Okay. So, yeah, it got sent through entities.

Also, I don't think most Democrats don't care if Hunter Biden goes to jail, right? Like, who cares? Well, I think that what people are trying to get at is just that Hunter Biden may have been used as a proxy for the Biden campaign. I don't know if there's evidence there for that. I don't really care anymore. Yeah, sure. Send Hunter to jail. Yeah, I don't care.

I really, I honestly do not care if Hunter Biden goes to prison or not. I don't think anybody cares except for like Hunter Biden maybe come. people in his family. Yeah, I mean, the weird family stuff with him was that he did start to date his brother's ex-wife, or his brother's wife, his brother died and then his widow and him started to date like real shortly thereafter.

That's kind of, that's weird stuff. Yeah. That's strange. If Eric died, I wouldn't want me to date. That's understandable though. It's, it's not, it's not normal on our side, but it's understandable. I could understand how you get there. I would understand if they stayed together and had like a happy, happily ever after type

thing. Oh, yeah. If you get married, you got to, that's for life at that point. Like, like, oh, like, you know, in grief, they found love. Like, probably his brother would want his brother to, you know, take care of his wife. You think, you think, you know what? When I, when I pass, I hope, I hope Hunter takes care of her, knowing everything he knew about Hunter.

Nah. My guess is that, no, probably the last person. Imagine if there was just a contrast of people. Imagine growing up. Like, Bo passes away and he's like, you know what, I just hope that I hope he's got enough crack for both of them.

What if, what if Bo growing up, like Hunter was consistently stealing his girls? Yeah, like Hunter was just getting sloppy. Like, Hunter's got that dog in him. Like, Hunter, Hunter definitely got into some shit growing up

and probably got Bo in trouble for it. Dad, Hunter keeps banging. all my girlfriends yeah i mean i mean a hunter's got riz he does i've seen all those pictures of him i've seen those videos he takes actually kind of sad he takes a lot of pictures of him like with crack well that's because for the extortion money this is what i found out if i'm like you know what i'm saying arian if if i was to ever be in a room with crack i think the one thing i would make sure that I didn't do was like, hey, let's make sure that I get this crack in the frame of myself when I'm taking this picture. He's got like dozens of crack pictures out there.

So what happened? The reason they do that is the women he's with make him take those videos and photos and then they get paid off with the evidence. They like send it to a lawyer who then like a buying associate lawyer who then pays them off. And since they have the evidence that they can come out of state. But why is he taking these pictures in the first place? Because they get him fucked up and then they make him take the videos. That's the whole, it's all extortion videos. It's, because it seems like they're, it's mostly pictures of Hunter with either a gun or a crack, but he's naked next to the gun and the crack. Well, these women are like saying, hey, Hunter, send me a video. And then they take that video and take it to like a representative

who then pays them off. That's, that's why all those videos, because it's very predatory. It happens to a lot of people like rich addicts I read a whole article about how it used to have like billionaires sons who became drug addicts Yeah, like they get extorted by certain types of people who like say oh take pictures like oh, I'm not going to come over unless you show me how much crack you have Like that sort of stuff and then like hold the crack up to newspaper so I know it's from today it's like the equivalent of like dudes like sketchy dudes trying to like party with girls so they're sending them snapschats of like yo come over we have all this like beer and weed that i would love to see billy try try to do that to like a girl i know send me a picture how much beer you got i'm using this to extort no actually billy is kind of like the hunter biden of of bros don't say that but just with like light beer the hunter

behind him left here and check out all this j all this Coorsletta yeah that's fucked up wait Billy can you send me a picture of you next to all the beer so I know it's real and then they would go contact you would be like look at this video Billy with beer yeah no I would be paid off

so I don't release this I've actually gotten a shit load of people that have DM me pictures that Billy sent them Billy's just like standing naked next to like a case of beer he's got like a red cup in his hand and it's like It's very clearly a Snapchat pick and just says come through.

That's so funny. I mean, I've gotten those DMs, Billy. You have not. Hunter Biden's beer. Those don't exist. If you could find a video and be naked next to beer, send it to PFT because it does not exist.

Okay. Well, now I'm going to get some like deep fakes. Oh, yeah, true. Speaking of deep fakes and technology, I spoke about this on part of my take, but this AI stuff is ridiculous. This open AI. Yeah.

Like I used it to. write full prep notes for this Casey Anthony tapes did you really yeah so you didn't actually

do the work you had the robot do the work I had the robot do the work but I then read like I did all the research okay

but then I fact check the robot but then I put my notes usually I just come up show up with notes I knew I knew when Billy brought this up on part of my take

that this would just become Billy's way of getting out of doing any actual work no but like I usually bring notes, right? Like bullet points. And I then take those bullet points and I then make it into pros. But I just put the bullet points into the technology and it came out with pros.

Can you ask it if Joe Biden is, or excuse me, if Joe Flacco is an elite quarterback? I actually saw that, someone's already done that. Did they? Yeah. I saw it on Twitter. Someone's already in, just a Joe Flacco is an elite quarterback because he's won a Super Bowl. He's passed over 4,000 yards in a season several times. it like puts it all out let me let me go again that's that should be an that's an infringement of my intellectual property that somebody else has already done that boom yeah i will ask him again billy okay let me pull it up but it's ridiculous like if you type anything into this like have you seen this area yeah i did the other one though i did the the picture one that's kind

of going around yeah oh yeah yeah the one that turns you into like an animated person right Yeah, there's like, I got, I got the 50 peck. I'm gonna, I'm gonna do, I'm gonna do, I'm gonna do the 100 pack. How do you do that? How do you, what's the name of that, um, the picture one? You, you gotta pay for it. Oh, fuck that. It's like eight, it's like eight dollars.

So right now, the, the open AI chat GPT is experiencing exceptionally high demand. Please hang tight. I did blog about it and publicize it. And a lot of people are publicizing it. So I think it is a little under the weather right now with server blockage. Because you, because you, because you blew it up? No,

like everybody's blowing it up because everyone's because people, so I was talking to my, I was talking to my cousin about it who's in college and he was saying that he can put his whole essay in there and be like,

eliminate the passive voice from this essay and it'll do it. It can literally like edit your work, like edit this whole essay for grammatical mistakes. It is way more powerful

than any grammar editing software it is insane what this thing can do it's kind of creepy who wrote it who wrote the code yeah um open a i bet a bunch of people i don't trust it i do the thing is this thing doesn't have access to the internet after 2021 so if it had access to the current internet and uh current events it would be able to distinguish like it would be able to write news articles blog posts probably you could program it to do it like every day so like it could definitely you could run barstle sports off of one AI system of a blog of a blogger and it would blog all the pertinent stories oh judge really judge deal release be able to write the whole thing like just off

a couple bullet points but all of these things just very formulaically. It's not like writing things. Like you're talking about Barstool, it does not write things the way things on Barstool are written. Right. But you know how we have blogs that get a lot of clicks? They don't really have an opinion. It's just sort of a regurgitation of current events because people want to get the blog out quick. Sure. But like even that, like the way this thing writes things, it's just very, you can tell it was not written by a person. Have you seen? Have you? Yes. Well, you can also tell it to write it like a person.

And then skirt. I don't. It's crazy. There's like AI detection. I read the ones like what you told it to write. And it reads very much like, I mean, it is formulaic point by point. Yeah. But PFT.

It's how like a fourth grader would write an essay. Like this is my thesis. This is the next sentence. This has this because. But that's exactly how you're supposed to write it. Like, if I had this in high school, I definitely could have figured out ways for it to do all of my, like, short answer homework. Just, like, putting the bullet points.

It probably could even analyze quotes. Mm-hmm. Which is wild. Anyway, it's definitely an academic weapon for all those still getting grades. Academic weapon. I like it. Yeah. Imagine being a teacher right now and trying to figure out if people were cheating.

Well, you have to put it through an AI. detecting software. Oh, really? Yeah. So, like, not only do you have to go through plagiarizing software nowadays, if you're writing essay, there's an AI detection software that can be subverted by the AI if you type in the subject, like in the command thing, write an essay about this, but make it seem like a human wrote it.

It's wild. Yeah, I'm just very glad that I'm not a teacher right now. It sounds awful. like now what's the point of even teaching people how to write yeah I'm all for it take us into the next generation I'm over this shit real quick want to talk about baseball get Avery's take on the Aaron Judge situation

that's great Aaron Judge San Francisco Giant for about five minutes yesterday that was a wild so I was telling this to to Tommy smokes earlier but I kind of I'm a little bit envious of Yankees fans because they got to experience like the most wild comeback story ever in this Aaron Judge story where he he was gone and then you're like oh shit and you're still dealing with that denial like there's no way it's only John Heyman reporting it and then you refresh and then all of a sudden the report gets back tracked and then he ends up going back to the Yankees like that's it's crazy that that happened like now everybody that loses a player to another team. they're going to be thinking like, wait, there's still a chance. Right.

Maybe this report's wrong. Yeah, it's a huge win for the Yankees. I mean, he's, first of all, he spelled his name wrong, deleted the tweet, then posted again. But I think the funniest part is that you get all these people who are like, wow, like, thank God he's off the Yankees. But now that he's on the Yankees, they're like, oh, what a stupid signing. Like, no, this is your guy. Like, you had to get this done for your integrity, for everything for the New York Yankees.

And I'm just so happy he's back. he's going to get the captaincy, which he deserves. I mean, it's not only him. Like, everybody in the locker room looks up to him. Like, he's a god in New York, and he made a statement this year. And I'd say it's probably, in the 24 years I've been alive, the biggest bet on yourself contract I've ever seen. Yeah.

What about the fact that it came out yesterday that the balls were juiced at Yankee Stadium? That is insane. Well, it goes both ways. No. Did you read the report? Well, the Yankees aren't the only ones just hitting the juice balls. Okay. The other teams playing there also hit the juice balls.

Okay, but do you not think it is a major scandal that Major League Baseball had, was not only using different kinds of baseballs in the season, but was intentionally giving the juiced baseballs to the Yankees to, like, to let Aaron Jones get this home run record. And then they also... Well, they didn't specifically say that, but it's implied. It does say that. There is empirical evidence that the Yankees had those.

baseballs more than the other teams wait so from the the data that they had if the Yankees had if the MLB was doing this then who did the report uh some journalist I don't know here I'll find it I also don't get how they're that much more juiced I saw the weight differences that the discrepancy isn't crazy so in baseballs not every baseball it comes out of the factory is the same exact weight that's just impossible I am assuming from we know that MLB has used different baseballs the last couple years going back and forth so and I think we know

it was intentional so I think we know enough to note but in this graph the blue is the Yankees. Yeah I saw it so the Yankees had those balls way more than everyone else combined yeah I saw the chart I just don't think it's like fair to really say

considering that it's just impossible to have every baseball way the exact same. Define Well one it's actually not There are three different types of balls. One that weighs about 114.5. Did that be ounces? Probably not ounces.

Grams, maybe. One that weighs 115.5 and then one that weighs 117.2. Oh, the total weight of the balls, that might be ounces. No. No, no, no, no. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes, grams, I'm assuming. Yeah.

Well, that's what I'm saying. Look at the discrepancy. I'm talking, you know, they put mud on the balls. like we're just we're talking about little numbers here we're not i think they're they did enough research into this that we know they're different baseballs on purpose but do lighter also travel farther do we know that for a fact uh i don't know if it's lighter or which one it was the more batter friendly weight profile it says i don't know which ball that was um because but they were also used all in the post season

which was also intentional. I mean, at the end of the day, it's still... Correct. I mean, at the end of the day, it's still merely impossible to hit a baseball. I mean, you can't just discount what Aaron Judge did. I think that we can discount what he did compared to the oldest, one of the oldest most storied records in baseball,

because everybody has to hit a baseball. That's part of being a baseball player. So everyone, it's not easy for anyone, but at the same time, It looks like the Yankees were getting, they were getting the juice balls, the Goldilocks balls, as this report calls it. Further adding to the claims that I guess Aaron Judge is a Tappin merchant. He's a Tappin guy. He's like, getting him 314 feet with juice baseballs.

Yep, Tappan merchant. Aaron Judge. I like that reputation. Pudge. That's fine. Yeah. Chris Crichter is a Tappan. Pinaldo and Pernh Pudge. Yeah, Pinaldo and Perrin Pudge.

Yeah. For 90 seconds, can we talk about the Heisman Trude? thing? Yeah. Yeah. Hold, let me time you. Okay. I'm going to time you. Well, let me get my extra like three. It's just, it's disgusting. No, you get, okay, tell you what, big tea, I, I have to go use a restroom real quick. Oh, well, if I don't want to just go on like a rant.

No, I'm going to time you. I thought you were as sick and as I was. Let's talk, let's talk. Yep. I thought you were incensed also. I am very incensed. I think it's bullshit what they did to Hendon. three two one go i mean uh stets and bennett being a finalist is a joke um i also want to know all these media members who tweeted this is bullshit this is wrong who voted for stets and bennett then because y'all were the ones turning in the ballots so someone's lying somewhere um but yeah it's just bullshit it's just a joke it is a joke i i feel i feel really bad for hinden he probably should have won the thing let alone been a finalist but i think it's bullshit

and if you've just watched the games Stetson Bennett had between just his tight ends just guys that you could just hand the ball to and then they go run 70 yards It's crazy. Five star at every position on the offensive line Yep

It's nonsense 10 seconds closing thoughts I think it's bullshit and then I think that we should award Hinden Hooker the first ever macrodosing Heisman trophy We won't use the H word But we'll come up with the award

We'll call it the Henman Award the Hinman Award. Yeah. The Hymden Trophy. There we go. I like that. Hinman? He should be a fucking, he should be it in the Heisman trophy.

I want the University of Tennessee to officially boycott the Heisman Trophy forever. We've been screwed now three times. Johnny Majors lost to Paul Horning on a three and seven Notre Dame team despite having infinitely better statistics. Peyton Manning, the most fraudulent award ever given in professional or amateur athletics, the 1997 Heisman trophy. Who got that? Charles Woodson and now this I think if any Tennessee players ever in consideration

going forward they should respectfully decline okay wait Aaron you said that Charles Woodson deserved that 97 trophy yeah we've done this before we've talked about that before he had an amazing like what we were talking about he was like went both ways like

come on fan I'm not saying Peyton didn't balls I'm not what I'm saying Billy Tennessee on my bumper again Billy do some Reads because that CAVA is doing a number on me. Not a poop guy. Huge poop guy.

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your order today must be 21 years or older to purchase please use responsibly i can't wait i can't wait avatar's coming out like eight eight days and i i got the cabinet stock full of three chi did you read that review that the guy put on i think we sent it in the macrodose inch yeah i read everybody i get tagged in anything avatar i get tagged in it that guy also the tweet from that guy he gave he gives like every blockbuster movie like two stars so to give really yeah he gave dune and infinity wars two stars and then he was like this is like a masterpiece avatar the way of water lull imagine being dumb enough to bet against james cameron or teen alien sigourney weaver or giant whales subtitled in papyrus light years better than the first and easily one of the best theatrical

experiences in ages streaming found dead in a ditch i'm actually so excited to go watch this in theaters Of course, bro. Of course. You know what's weird is like, and this is how I know it's going to do good, man. It's like you have the anti-Avatar. You know what I'm saying? Like you have people like, I have no interest in this. There's no cultural impact.

Shut the fuck up then. Why are we talking about it then? Why are you talking about it? If you have no interest in, it's not fucking talking about it, bro. You're mad because your movie sucks. I feel like it does have cultural impact too. Like that's... What does it mean?

What does that mean? What is cultural impact? mean. What does that mean? It brings people together. That's what I'm saying. Somebody got to define cultural impact, you know what I mean? Because like, who's culture? What culture? There's different cultures within our culture. Yeah, exactly.

It's a silly fucking thing to say just because you didn't see it when it first came out and now everybody is excited to see it and you on the outside, fuck off. We've been waiting 10 plus years for this, doggy. Fuck y'all. Speak your words,

Aaron. Speak your words. Arian, I do have to ask just because I went back and looked again. Charles Woodson, 1997 had seven interceptions. That's great for a defense back. But listen, give me one second, give me one second. I want to ask you a question. You said he went both ways. If you had to guess how many receptions for how many yards he had in 1997, what would you guess?

Handful. 11 catches for 231 yards. That's a lot. That's way more. 11 catches? That's more than you thought. Yeah, that's more than I thought that was like five or six. 11 catches, 238.

He also, he also, he also had punt returns, you know what I'm saying? He had one kick return touchdown. He had punt return. One punt return touchdown. That's what I'm out. Okay. How many did Peyton Manning have? Rest my case.

Payton Manning played quarterback. Bro, you're never going to, you're never going to get me to concede that quarterbacks are better athletes or football players or most valuable of anything. Like, I just, I just, I don't think they play the same sport as everybody. Not better athletes. Well, that's what I'm saying. Like, though, you have, you have people playing entirely different sports. Like, kickers and quarterbacks don't play football. It's, it's wild.

It's just, like, and so, like, MVP, Hizman, like, all that shit. It's just given to quarterbacks because they, quote, unquote, lead the team. Like, but I'm just, I'm unconvinced of that. Like, people call me a hater all the time. I don't give a shit. Like, I just don't think that quarterbacks play the same sport as we did. Like, they have the long lifespan because nobody can fucking touch him. You can't touch them during the game.

You can't touch him during practice. You can't touch them during training camp. And you're like, oh, quarterbacks last longer. It's because the rest of us getting beat the fuck up. That's why. I see what you're saying athletically. But, I mean, quarterback is an extremely valuable position. I'm not saying it's not valuable, right?

It's not what I'm saying. But like, quarterbacks are some of the least athletic people I've ever met in my life. Like, and so it's hard for me to say you're more valuable than, like, because like, if you put five quarterbacks and block them, block them, have them for alignment, like, what are we talking about? Like, it's just not, it's just, it's, it's, it's a, it's a game that has, like, so many variables involved. So to, so to, so to have one person be responsible for all those wins and loss, it's just ridiculous to me. So, like, I look at the overall player when I look at it, but that's just me, you know what I'm saying? That's just me. That's just how I look at it.

I don't necessarily agree with what you're saying, but I see what you're saying. Yeah. I feel you. But that's how I see it. I see Charles Washington was like one of the most impactful athletes in college, especially at that time. Come on, man.

PFT's been gone a while. He's a poop guy. He controls his life. He had a boo-boot. It controls everybody's life. No, but like people can like figure it out. You know, like PFT just when he has to. What does that mean?

When he has to go, he has to, like, go. I feel like that's most people, that's everyone. Like, what are you going to do? That's 99.9% of people. Can you not control your bowels? I mean, I could hold it for, like, a little while if I absolutely had to, but like, why would you want to do that? It's really, it's really bad for you to hold your poop in. Sorry, I just had stronger ballots.

I wouldn't know because I don't. What a fucking, what a fucking alpha. You don't shit. Yeah. Ken Jong-un. No, but like if I had to go right now, I'd wait until the end of the show. And be honest. Be honest, have you washed that sweater?

You've wore one of that shit like three weeks in a row, dog. Have you washed it? Okay, so guess what? I only wear this sweater for the show. So you have not watched it. But I wear a T-shirt on it. Well, if you wear it for like three hours and that's fun. So you don't wear it anywhere else?

Well, I'd make sure because I'm trying to, we're trying to push this amazing. Macrodosing Sweater. We ain't worry about all that, man. Stored up our shoes. You don't wear it. I'm trying to figure out if you dusty or not.

I put it on my chair in the office and then I come in clean clothes and then I put it on. Like I'm not working out on it. I'm not even leaving the office and I just make sure I have it

so I can wear it. Okay. That's not as bad at the hands. Yeah. That's not as bad. So every time you see me in it, it's the only thing I've, like,

you're seeing it the only times I'm wearing it. Yo, I don't got a Yeti shirt, bro. Oh, yeah, where is the Yeti shirts? I should start rocking that now. I gave it, I don't know where you put it. You wore it on the, on the shirt. Did you all, did you all mail me one?

Yeah. Maybe check, maybe, check your mail. Yeah, I'll check the mail. We'll see what we'll get to the bottom of this. A, Big T, did you, um, what do you think about the whole Dion situation? I'm pretty sure you don't have a, a controversial take, but I'm interested in what you think. why would i what what what would a controversial take be uh are you talking about are you talking about him going to colorado or the people who are like he sold out leaving jackson state what

i'm not sure about the people who sold out uh i'm not interested in that take specifically but uh so what's your take what you take i think he's going to be really good like he's taking most of the top in talent he out of jackson state with him they should be decent next year. And then they already got, they got a five star in, he's like a sophomore in high school. He's like 20, 25, I think, but like still like first day, got a five star. I would guess they're going to get several really good players in this class. I mean, he's had one job and turned it from like a one and 11 team into like a 12 and 0 team. So the evidence we have to go on seems to suggest he's a very, very good football coach.

yeah yeah i can see and i mean now he has the resources of of a power five program so i think he's going to be very good i think from uh from the other side of the aisle uh what i think what the rational people are saying uh not the people saying that he sold out i think what the rational people are saying is that um hbc u's have a entirely different culture than um uh what they call up Parify. Parify? Um.

PWS. Yeah. Um, they have an entire different culture than, than those. And so like, I think people are upset that Dion kind of, uh, uh, he didn't, he wasn't a hundred percent truthful in, in his, in his, I guess, approach to the entire situation, because his, his approach was, we're going to change how people think about HBCUs. We're going to, you know, uh, I, uh, but. Romani Jones had the most brilliant take on this.

But I think, and Dion's my dude, I love Dionne of death, man. But I do, I do think, I think Dion does what's best for Dion. Did he not do that, though? Well, this is what I'm saying. This is why this is like a very nuanced take. It's like when you talk about HBCUs, HBCUs are very different than PWIs, like the funding and everything involved. And so what he did do was put a spotlight on how underfunded everything is

and how, um, uh, and here, I think, I think him leaving in the manner that he did, I think in, in order to change, I think something like that, I think it has to have, um, a lot of time invested into it. And I think he used that was what Bumani was saying. I think he used, uh, because there was nobody going to, going to hire him from a D1. I'm sorry, a Power 5 school without any resume, right? And so he kind of used his HBCU Jackson State as a stepping stool, which normally doesn't happen because not a lot of players from those ranks get called up. And that's the whole issue is you kind of use it as a, you know, I understand both sides of the argument. I mean, I'm not involved in it intricately enough to say.

So I'm just dating with the other side. It says, Bumani, like I said, Bumani said it really brilliantly. Here's the thing about Dion going to Jackson State was that he went there because there wasn't, there weren't a whole lot of other schools that were willing to give Dion Sanders with zero coaching experience the reins to a program, a head coaching job. He would have had to go back and he would have had to start off as an assistant, probably like a defensive backs coach or assistant defense coordinator work your way up well not only that there was another hbc u that i think gave him his degree right or like let let him let him finish it in a speedy process so that because you can't coach without a degree and so there was another hbc u that sped that process up for him and so it's like

they kind of feel used in a sense but but the thing is like dion he went he went to a school that gave him an offer he also interviewed at florida state he wanted to be florida state's head coach And they did not hire him. And so he went to a school that would let him be a head coach right off the bat. And then he's now going, yes, he used that to try to go to, or his experience there as a resume when a school did come from a power five. He used his experience there as his resume to get that new job. But that's no different than any other coach in America. The criticism that I would, have of Dion Sanders would be the exact same criticism that I would have of any coach that leaves for a new job across the board in college football. And it happens every year. It happens all the time. They don't have to finish out their contracts. Nothing matters. There's no such thing as loyalty. Dion Sanders did what's best for Dion. But yeah, that's true. But also you could make that exact same claim about any other head coach in America. Yes, they do what's best for them. Breaking news.

True. Yeah, true. But I think like I said, like HBCUs are kind of different in the sense that like the culture involved them and like the longstanding traditions that they have. And he went there under the guise of we're here for y'all. We're going to change this. We're going to change the landscape of this. And that was really never the case. He just wanted to use it as a stepping stone to build his resume, which we know now, right? But like when you come in, it's like, we'll just say that. I don't think those are mutually exclusive though. I mean, he did. He got a. The number one recruit in the country to go to Jackson State, that's insane. And he, their games were on ESPN. He was out in front of the media, like, all the time. Like, I do think, like, how long did he need to stay there? Could he have ever left for another job? Like, well, this is what I don't, I don't, I'm not involved enough in the situation to have, like, a real opinion on it. I just, I just know from the other side what I'm hearing and they make valid points is what I'm saying.

Like I said, I honestly am really agnostic in the situation. But I'm just bringing up the points that the other people make. I think it was good for both of them in a certain, like to Dion, it was obviously a good experience for him. He got a great job out of it that's paying him a shitload of money, way more that he was making. And Jackson State got an upgrade, major upgrades to their facilities, to their programs. They had a ton of money come in that would not have been there to begin with. now yeah Dion did say things like I got brought here to change it I think he said like God is calling him to be like an HBCU guy and then and then he did leave after that but

I think like both both sides benefited that's I feel like that's that's what I think their their their gripe is which I understand is like the the premise in which you sold it yeah it's not accurate and that's yeah he did make it seem like he was he was going to be there for the long haul and he was trying to like change a culture he did change certain things about the culture for sure and made a positive impact there that's that's definitely true um but i guess you could say like he did you know he definitely told kids that he was going to be there for a long time and he was in for the long haul but um which which is shitty but that happens to every single head coach all the time it was funny as shit though

I thought when he was standing in front of the Colorado kids, their first meeting, and he was like, he said, I'm bringing my baggage. And it's Louis. He said, so hop in a portal. Did he say something like he? Which, to be fair, he wouldn't be there if they were good. So, yeah, that's hilarious. He said there's going to be no phones in my meetings.

There's going to be no hats, no hoodies in my meetings. And then one kid. He's traditional with that. I hate it. One kid in the background took his hat off. It was like, oh shit, I better,

I better get rid of my cap. So when you were playing, I never understood it makes no fucking sense. No hoodies. I, for what? I didn't know that no hoodies was a thing. I think it's,

well, wearing the hood. I think he's got to just straight up, he's trying to change the entire culture of a place. Well, that's the thing. He came in there with the hat on. So like,

it didn't make no fuck it. Those rules make no sense. I actually didn't realize that he was wearing a hat. He said that. He had a hat on when he said it. Like, bro, he had a hat on in the press conference. Like, it's silly rules. Like, religion has those silly-ass rules, right?

Like, hats, no hats. Like, some religions, you can't have a hat inside. Some religions, you have to have a hat inside. Some religions, you can't wear your hat. Depends on if you're a woman. It's just like, it gets to the porn. It's like, yo, this is all fucking stupid. It's like, can I do my job?

It has nothing to do with wearing a hat or not, bro. I think it's just somebody's coming in and they're trying to change the entire culture. So you make up all these weird rules just to make people follow them. Because if they follow the small stuff you tell them, then they'll follow the big stuff that you tell them. So you'll throw out a whole bunch of nonsense and stuff that doesn't make any difference whatsoever in terms of what your record's going to be. But if you follow that stuff, if I can make you do the stupid shit, then you'll probably do the important shit too. But like for every case that that shit works, there's a case that the opposite is true.

Like we was at Tennessee, one of the dumbest things I fought like, and they used to call me a bad kid. But, like, for picture day, you had to shave your facial hair. And it was like, this is the way it's supposed to be done. What the fuck does that mean? I have hair on my face. That's what's supposed to be there. I, you know what I'm saying? Like, I used to argue, and they'd be, this is how it's done.

But then you go look at USC, who's winning national championship after national championship. They got their shirts out during practice. They have facial hair. And I was like, does it make it make sense, though? None of it makes sense. Arien would never make it on the angst. Control. No, definitely not.

Nope. Hell no. Are they still doing it? doing that, Avery? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, that's a lot. Like, the clean cut look. You like it, Billy? It's class. It is. Billy just likes it. I mean, that's what makes it. Billy likes it.

I like, I like, I like looking at my ball players with smooth skin. Do you know what the Braves rule? Good jaw lines. You know what the Braves rule is? You can have beards and stuff. No sunglasses over the logo on your hat. Oh, I didn't know that. Yep, can't put it over the

A. Respect the crest. No, but it's just like the Yankees have historically been like such a good team. It's just like, yeah, if you're going to be a New York Yankee, like, don't give a fuck who you are. You got to shave and like, you got to shape up because you're playing for the New York Yankee. What does that mean, though?

That this is a peer your organization? By what metric? You think maybe, maybe if you're world series championships? Maybe if you allowed people to wear, to have facial hair, they would have won a World Series in the last 13 years. What about since 2010? Okay. It's just a clean look, guys.

Come on. Don't tag up on. It's not clean. It's not clean. It's the goofy. If you can grow facial hair and you don't have it, you look goofy. That's just my opinion. And there are some religions who say you have to grow out your facial hair. So it's like it's all stupid. It's all dumb. My guys are clean and pure. Yeah. Not clean. Wait, wait. So would the Yankees allow like a Hasidic Jew to play for their team? I don't know. Don't pin that on me. It sounds like it's a little discriminatory. That would be really interesting. Or Sikh, when we get, we'll cross that bridge when the Yankees get there. Yeah, what if that, what if a Sikh slugger came up? Like a 300 pound, just like, just jacked up Sikh. Seeks have, all he did was just mashed taters over the right field fence. Seeks are, it's an extremely interesting religion.

They're like a warrior religion. Yeah. They like, I think they still have to carry. I think they change some rules because of airport stuff, but they like always keep a sword on them or a knife. that's kind of cool a dagger maybe yeah I think so but like they

I think they had to get religious exemptions for like TSA would you be allowed to play baseball with a sword if it was just like ornamental

hanging from your belt wait let me look that up if it's seek so now like I was just looking at Aaron Judge

highlights on on this TV though and Nestor Cortez has a mustache you can have a mustache but not a beard yes

you got a mustache and also Josh Donaldson has a mullet a mullet mohawk so so like what are we doing it can't it can't like go over your ears right that's the hair rule that's it that's it so um yeah Arizona Diamondbacks like when Andrew McCutcheon signed with the Yankees he he had like those long braids he had to cut them all off right yes he did and so last year the Arizona Diamondbacks selected Jacob Steinmits

who was the first Orthodox Jew to be taken in the MLB draft since the 1965 inception. But he doesn't have facial hair, so. I think he's a difference between Orthodox and Hasidic. Oh. Yeah, with the hair, with the sideburns. I actually, I bought an antique. I helped pick up an antique piece of furniture from some Hasidic Jews in Brooklyn.

And they have some really good antiques. That's good to know. That was like two weeks ago. That's good to know. I still think that it's bullshit that the Yankees won't let you grow your hair out. Yeah. It's stupid. Yeah.

So the Sikhs have a kerpan, which is a curved single-edged dagger or sword, a dagger or knife carried by Sikhs. And their whole, it's, uh, so their philosophy is being saint soldiers. Okay, I like that. Showing no fear on the battlefield and treating defeat enemies humanely. truly brave who fights for the deprived it's just like fascinating like all those like Sikhs

are warrior saints that's awesome yeah it rocks like crazy mentality also it's like not 100% that not all Orthodox like if you're

Hasidic you're Orthodox but not all Orthodox Jews have to be It's like squares and rectangles? Yes. And parallelograms? Yes.

Yeah. What was your favorite shape growing up? We might have done this before. Did we? Yeah. That's twice. You know, PFT. I know.

I've got that. I've got... Listen, I took a gummy last night before I went to bed and it's still hitting hard. Nice. I had too much gummy. You missed the three Chi ad. I got so high last night. I took the gummy at like 10, 15.

and just trying to get myself to fall asleep and I started watching YouTube videos about the process of how oil and natural gas is trapped inside the earth's crust and how we extract it and it was like the most fascinating thing in the world to me and I did that for about an hour last night and I don't remember anything about it

but in the moment I was like this is so crazy oh my God so like that's this different strata of the ground and that's how we access it and then we refine it I learned I learned soup to nuts I'm talking like from dead dinosaurs to how oil is created

and what types of geological features are required to create like pockets of oil. What did that tell you about Qatar? A lot about Qatar. So the north field is the gas field. It's the largest field of natural gas in the world. It's located just off the coast of Qatar and it's about the size of Qatar

and it's huge and part of it is split up so that Iran has access to the very north end of the north field. But that's just where a shitload of dinosaurs died back in the day. And the rock that's around it is like very tough to break through, which is it makes it hard to drill into. But at the same time, it makes it very useful for the production of natural gas because no water or other sediment could ever break through those walls

to get into the gas, the gas layer. So that's what I learned. I learned a bunch of stuff about gas last night. well for the record it's not dinosaurs actually it's usually vegetation and moss or whatever carbon matter trees uh like forest floor type right so so in a 200 million years from now the layer that's from our civilization right now is going to it's not going to be like just bones it's going to be everything that you see outside yeah will be trapped so what well in 200 million

years where's all where's the gas going to be at? I mean actually if you think about it there's not going to be as much because think about all the highways and destroyed so the Amazon rainforest yeah that's going to be like Brazil is going to be

very very valuable territory in 200 million years. Yeah but if humans even exist I'm still I might buy using fossil fuels I might buy a few acres down there just a stash away. Can you buy rainforest? Can you buy rainforest? I think

bet you can't loggers do like logging companies buy the land yeah but i just wanted just to hang out on just to go camping i would be down to create a compound a fully self-sufficient compound in some rainforest type area that'd be sick wouldn't it yeah or somewhere in the i don't know i don't think it would be the best place in all this global warming as our investment guy billy let me know how much it's going to cost to buy and build a compound in the amazon rainforests hmm okay Can you do that for me? Cool. All right, Casey Anthony, guys.

You guys want to talk about her? Yeah. Do you want to hear the summary by our trusted chat GPT? Yeah, let's see what the AI robot has to say about Casey Anthony. Okay, so I just typed in. What happened to Casey Anthony in the Casey Anthony case in a thousand words? The case and Anthony case was of highly publicized and controversial murder trial that took place in Orlando, Florida. in 2011. The defendant, Casey Anthony, was accused of killing her two-year-old daughter,

Kaylee Anthony, in 2008. After a lengthy trial and extensive media coverage, Anthony was acquitted of murder and manslaughter charges in 2011, but was found guilty of four counts of lying to law enforcement. The case began in July 2008, when Casey Anthony reported her daughter missing to the police, she claimed that Kaylee had been kidnapped by a nanny named Zenaida Gonzalez. But police quickly became suspicious of her story, they discovered that Anthony had been lying about her job, her home address, and other aspects of her life. She also had a history of partying and drug use. As the investigation continued, detectives searched Anthony's car and found evidence that

suggested Kaylee had been dead for some time. They found hairs that matched Kaylee's DNA, as well as a strong odor of decomposition and evidence of chloroform. In December 2008, Anthony was arrested in charge with first-degree murder. The trial began in May 2011. and lasted for six weeks. The prosecution argued that Anthony had killed Kaylee in a fit of rage, possibly because the child was interrupting her partying and social life. They presented evidence of chloroform and hair found that Anthony's car, as well as witnesses who testified that Anthony had lied about her daughter's whereabouts.

However, the defense team countered by suggesting that Kaylee had accidentally drowned in the family's pool and that Anthony and her father had panicked and covered up the death. They also argued that the prosecution's evidence was unreliable in the police. police had conducted a shoddy investigation. In the end, the jury found Anthony not guilty of first-degree murder, aggravated manslaughter, and aggravated child abuse. She was convicted on four counts of lying to law enforcement, but was given credit for time served and released from custody. The verdict sparked widespread outrage and disbelief with many people arguing that Anthony had gotten away with murder. Some critics pointed to the fact that Anthony had hired a high-profile

defense team and had benefited from widespread media coverage. Others argued that the prosecution had failed to present a compelling case to adequately rebut the defense's arguments, regardless of the outcome, the Casey Anthony case remains one of the most well-known and polarizing criminal trials in American history. It continues to be discussed and debated by legal experts, media commentators, and the general public. If I had an assignment on the case in Anthony case in high school or something and had to give like a summary, it would have been done within 30 seconds of typing that in because it wrote it in 30 seconds. And then you would have gotten a zero.

because you plagiarized. If you put it through a plagiarized, the machine doesn't come out. Even if that's true now, which I'm not convinced it is, it will not be true in three months. Okay. Yeah.

It's like doping in the Olympics. The second somebody figured out a way to get away with it, then the scientists catch up to it. The AI detector. But so I'm going to take the stance for the sake of the discourse. I don't think

they she should have been convicted at all. I think she, by the law, she's innocent. Do you believe that? Are you just trying to play devil's advocate? I'm playing devil's advocate, but there are a lot of points. He definitely believes it. He definitely, he's so, well, let's, we'll get to that. We'll get to that. I'm, I'm, I think she's innocent. All right, here we go. I actually think she's innocent. All right, let's talk about this documentary. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, because Aryan and Billy, you guys watch this documentary.

I thought I was going to be on an island here. What? Whoa. No, this documentary, I don't know how she... Fuck the fuck the fuck. Say, hold on, we're working backwards. Let's talk about the evidence. Fuck the documentary. No, no.

I wonder, I wonder... It's important to mention both. I want to frame the discussion regarding the documentary because it's important to note then I'm pretty sure that that Casey Anthony got paid for this documentary, if not, like, helped to produce it herself. She was not given creative control. It's basically the last dance if it was about Casey Anthony. It is slanted.

It's like Michael Jordan. Oh, we're just. the last day it's a great documentary but Michael Jordan had he was he was in charge of the whole thing he was a star I don't want to see the star I don't want to see I don't want to see nothing from the bulls other than through Michael Jordan's eyes bro what are you talking it's if I did it but Casey Anthony exactly it's like Casey please tell us because you're the star of it the documentary would be nothing if it wasn't for her so they obviously that's what's like the star let's talk about the evidence yeah I you couldn't prove like

look the the the the defense proved i mean uh sorry the prosecution proved that cayley had definitely been killed by mysterious circumstances like proved that she definitely was in that actually i don't know if they definitely proved she was in that car but like the child had died and they like explained in a well lay up way the child had died someone definitely murdered the child but in no way did they definitively prove besides a lot of ascertations that she'd actually done it. The possibility of her father who wasn't on trial doing it was enough, like was enough to show that she might have not done it. I don't know. I disagree. So they fucked up a lot of stuff.

I think the prosecution fucked up a lot of stuff. their explanation for the motive not great where it was just like she likes to party that didn't make sense at all and then and then the pictures that they showed were mostly from like one night or two nights and this is going to be breaking news to a lot of people but parents that have three year old children sometimes go out to bars now do they go out to bars necessarily if like their child is missing probably not like as likely but still you don't know what's happening in that person's life they might go out they might they might they might spend all week like dealing with the media dealing with with friends and family members trying to find this child and then they they go out

like one Friday night for an hour or so with their friend because they ask him to so that that to me the explanation of like it got in the way of her hard partying lifestyle i that's a bad explanation that's a bad motive there there are a lot of things we have to get to but first i want to so the main point i guess that the documentary makes talk about her dad. Yeah. And she claims she was sexually abused as a child by her dad and her brother. Um, do we think that's true? Because I think that's a big part of if you, what you think about the case overall. Yeah. I don't, I don't know what to believe from Casey because she lies about everything. Right. And I've known people like Casey before. And that's what,

I think that's why I'm, like, fascinated by her. People that just, like, lie for no reason all the time about everything. I've done a podcast with somebody like that before. So I'm naturally, like, inclined to find those types of people interesting. Dude. I just, I love, dude, like, I love lies. Say that, but, like, this woman, like, killed a small child. Well, we were talking about it.

Oh, I thought she was innocent. He finally admitted it. Nobody, nobody, nobody, nobody said you killed anybody, Billy. Maybe I'm out to. Yeah. Dude, that's just like such a... Well, no, I'm saying, well, that's up, bro. She's a lot.

I'm saying she's a liar. You're not, you're not Casey Anthony. He wasn't accusing you of murder. I'm just saying like, actually, Billy, before I was even starting that sense, I was talking about somebody else, but then I was like... No, you're not. Oh, who? You want me to name names now?

I actually thought at the beginning you were talking about somebody else, but then as the sentence went on, I was like, wait. Yeah. Who? Okay, my 10th grade girlfriend. You don't have podcasts. Well, you said a podcast. You have podcasts in 10th grade. I know.

That's when I started talking about Billy was halfway through that sentence. Got it. Okay. We're all on the same page. But people that just lie. Aaron, where did you get that visual effect from? Aaron? This court is amazing.

I was doing it all while, uh, while Billy was reading that shit. I was reacting via emoji. So if you watch it on YouTube, you'll see it. It's hilarious. He's got a cap button that he can press that just lights up his screen. I like that. No, I'm just fascinated by pathological liars sometimes. And you can't really trust anything that Casey's saying.

So I don't know whether or not to believe her entirely. There was one point where she, well, she kept talking about the abuser. and in her life there were allegedly two separate abusers if not more but she kept referring to as one person it's like wait I thought you said that everybody was doing this to you

I don't know like it's actually it's very tough to say to somebody you weren't abused unless you were there the fact that she waited to bring this up until her trial started that's kind of a red flag to me she waited to bring up a lot of things

several times yeah which was I don't know if we're just like giving our overall conclusions first I guess we can the dad seems like a very shady character to me but I also can't get over

the month where your kid is missing and she's like oh well my dad was telling me she was safe I'm not taking anyone's word for if my kid is gone for 31 days that that is is irreconcilable to me but i also i think it's likely there was some sort of horrible accident that she and or her dad were there for and then now they have a dead on their hands and now what do we do yeah but that but that then absolves her of the murder that's what i'm saying that's what i think we both agree on like that's still crime it's not a

crime that she was being tried for so that's why she gets off her murdering like the angle the prosecution took with uh going after for murder and you know i think in the first i forget which degree was exactly she was uh she was getting the death penalty well that's that's the thing though that's the thing that that got me is when you look at all the interviews with all of her friends even the even like everybody even her friends that were against her they were saying i mean she loved her now she was always with her you know she always so you can't find any evidence of neglect nor abuse aside from this one event and so to me you know i i understand how abuse works i understand how neglect works it it is a pattern behavior and if you if you can't find a pattern of

abuse or neglect then it's very unlikely that that's the case now i think an element that i don't think the documentary touched on in this was that her dad was the next cop and cops love to protect cops and so if you look at and i had just finished bins watching all of these goddamn uh interrogation videos and when you watch that dude's interrogation video he's over explaining things he's like i'll do anything like i do this and do that he just sounds to me from a you know unbiased because i didn't know anything about that before looking at any of this stuff but he looks hell of guilty one two how as a detective this is this was like those detectives drop the fucking ball bro how as a detective is he not

one of the prime suspects when he was one of the last people to see her alive they literally just discounted him and said oh he was a good dude like they did not they did not question him they didn't take his cell phone they didn't ping his cell phone they didn't do none of that stuff so they dropped a ball on that shit totally but the element that i feel like it's big it was he was an ex-com ex-cops protect ex-cops all the fucking time so are you saying that someone within the police force may have helped protect george anthony i think all of them do they give cops the benefit of the doubt whereas a regular citizen they would not and will not i'm thinking about it if you're if it's one of the if it if you're one of the last people to see somebody alive right why are you not automatically a suspect yeah that don't make any sense also makes no sense and why did we not collect his cell phone and get that information to ping it to see where he was at during those locations they got k c anthony's cell phone but they got everybody else's cell phone they didn't get his though but also why didn't who's the father of kaley uh she never really she she claims that

she uh got uh drugged at a party and raped and and that that that's who the father was she also had said like she had claimed that the child belonged to a guy that she was dating at the time time and she and then and then she said that was that was during that time yeah she she previously said that but then and changed her story she she's acknowledged that's i think that the thing that is the big thing to me is like she acknowledged yeah i lied about a lot of shit that i shouldn't lie about i lied a lot about but like i'm not saying she's telling a hundred percent truth now there's no way of nor but for someone to admit those lies but to this is this is when she had me When I was like, okay, she might be innocent was when I heard that their team had struck a deal with her and struck a deal with the state.

And they were like, okay, we can get you 20. I said that. That sounded like a pretty good deal. I'm saying. So if you just admit wrongdoing, we can get you 20. And you know, with good behavior, you can go to 15, 13, something like that. And she said, fuck no. I'm not admitting to that shit.

So for a habitual liar to sit here and say, yo, but you can face the death penalty. And she's like, I don't care. I'm not admitting to that shit. To me, as a father, as I, I'm not saying she did the best things ever subsequently. And there's no telling what I would do in those. I wouldn't do a lot of the shit she did, honestly. But there's a telling, you know, and I'm in that situation. I'm 19 years old, 20 years old.

Like, I don't know. You know, I don't know. But what I do know is that if you face in life and you did that shit, you're going to try to take a deal. I thought so, too. I was like, she'd be out of jail at, at worst when she was like 45. Like, if you did it, that's a. sick deal.

Exactly. And so all of that, and then I think the biggest case breaker for me was, all right, when you look at the dad, right, he's on all of these talk shows, going on all these interviews, and he's saying, I don't think my daughter did it. I don't think my daughter would not do anything like that. But he was the star witness. He was the main witness to get her prosecuted in the first place, right, to get an indictment in front of her grand jury.

jury and he was they start witness throughout the entire trial and that trial was not for anything else but to get her the death penalty so if you don't think your daughter could do that but you're sitting here aiding with the state knowing that it can kill your daughter but you think your daughter's innocent like get the fuck out of here well if you i think this is this is what i think happened this is honestly i think what happened and there's no way of knowing if we are to believe that k c c anthony was abuses a child. If we're to believe that, then that predatory behavior is, is, is very, has a lot of patterns to it, right? And so it's very likely that he was doing that to, or he wanted to do it to her daughter as well. And I don't make, I'm making a lot of jumps here. I get it. I get it. But I think

what's more likely happened is he, he abused the daughter and he wanted to cover the tracks and he wanted to blame her for it. That's, to me, that's what makes the most sense to me, because I don't see any, there was no malice in her heart towards her daughter, no reasoning to party. Like, it didn't make, they didn't make any sense. The clip at the end of him at Kaylee's funeral and the words he uses, I was shocked. How is that not like well known? Like smell her sweat. He was like, I'll never be able to smell her sweet sweat when she comes in from playing outside again. And he said that twice. Yeah.

And he said, he said, I'll be able to, I'll be able to, he said, I can't do the things that I would, I want to do with her.

Oh, it was bad. Anymore. Uh, he said, but I'll know, but I'll be able to do them with her in heaven again and be able to smell her again.

Just like, even if you are not an abuser, that's odd language. That's like, that's like, I'm not, I'm not a great. Babies is,

you know, that's, you got, no, baby's smell amazing. Yeah. But like, that's a weird thing to say about a deceased.

Yeah, people, I've definitely heard people say, like, baby, this baby smell is, like, really, also, but they're not talking about smelling a child's sweat. Yeah, no. Yes. I'm not a grandfather, but I would imagine if my grandchild. Gives Joe Biden smelling kids. If my grandchild passed away, I'd probably be, like, just devastated and be like, I hope, I hope we can meet again one day, you know, that sort of thing.

So this, whereas, if you were a former cop, you probably, like, and this is kind of what I thought about the OJ case. I feel like a lot of, like, if you make it look like someone else did the murder, then it's almost like, if they're trying to prosecute someone else for the murder, you know that they can't, but then they can't double jeopardy type thing. So I actually think, remember, George Anthony at one point checked himself into a hotel and then wrote a suicide note and threatened to kill himself. And the suicide note was shown to the jury, but we haven't seen the suicide note.

he didn't end up doing it but we don't know what was in that suicide note we don't know if like that absolved uh if it gave enough indication to the jury that it wasn't casey anthony and maybe it was george and or george helped cover up the body uh if the baby actually if uh kaley actually drowned in the pool and then all the chloroform comments think like oh we found chloroform and I'm in my head Yeah I'm in my head like Well if they thought the baby was in the pool

And then they then they had a chemist come on and say Yeah chloroform Chlorine can turn to chloroform in certain cases If like the body was with chlorinated water on it And then like chloroform was a byproduct I was like that's the thing When you do they The autopsy report doesn't sow any of that shit

That's what I'm saying like all the science they was using was junk and I know they said that on the documentary but it's true when you look at it like that's why it didn't stick and that's why she walked was because none of it was provable none of that shit was provable and and another this is another reason I don't believe that shit happened another reason is if you're an ex fucking cop and you're holding a lifeless toddler your first reaction should be to call 911 he didn't or you and he did do CPO are in all cops do anything this is what I'm saying like come on don't you didn't call or or or or or or or like within the 30 days you know she's missing you don't call like get the fuck out of here though but like I think and this is why like the abuse angle from Casey Anthony is either fucking brilliant or accurate because I if you've ever known that as anybody who has been sexually abused at a very young age there is a weird Stockholm syndrome uh element to And I'm not, listen, I'm not, I'm not saying that this is 100% correct, but I've, I've

known things, this is anecdotal in my, in my personal life, for people who have been abused, and they have tributes, uh, towards these people. They have a certain admiration towards these people because there's, there's something, there's like this, this, um, eerie level of admiration and respect for somebody who ushered you into those moments, you know, almost. And it's nasty, it's gross to talk about, but like, those are real emotions that people people fail. And it's hard for them to compartmentalize those, especially as kids. And if you're 19 years old, now you're dealing with the traumatic effect. I mean, a traumatic moment. Daughter's

missing. Pops is telling you it's going to be okay. I can see her angle. And her angle makes more sense than the drowning angle. Her angle makes more sense than she neglected her kid and she killed her kid because she wanted to party. Her angle makes more sense. So I'm not I'm not convinced that she did it I'll put it like that Also there was also The mother's weird in the whole thing I don't know who I think she's

Yeah I think she's tired She loves Her husband Right She I think she's But she knows he's a piece of shit Like she knows he's a piece of shit He was also cheating

Yeah that was weird when Casey was saying Or Casey was saying the entire time That her Like she growing up had to act Like she had a perfect family And everything was great And everything was wonderful

it almost seemed like cliche that she was saying that how she felt like pressure to make everybody think that everything was fine her problem with her dad growing up was just that her dad lost his job that was it like he would yell sometimes but there was no like there was no at that point evidence of like abuse or she wasn't even talking about him cheating on her mom her traumatic thing that she was bringing up at the time was that her dad got fired and was unemployed and it's like that's a weird thing to like you got fired from the

police force what do you mean because she was talking about him abusing her but i know i'm talking about like at first when she was talking about the perfect family that she was like representing and everything that was that was wrong with her dad yes she was just mostly talking mostly focusing on her dad being unemployed and then her dad like cheating on her mom yeah i think you're referring to like those 30 days like she was she was talking about how her like doing it was like a rebellion against her parents yeah and like and it was that was that I agree that was like hello like what she also just speaks she speaks in cliches a lot and when she's trying to tell her stories she has a pattern to her voice I don't know if you guys picked up on this but she says things like

almost their their lyrics in a song or their poem she'll be like and I was there with Casey I was there with Kaylee and she was there with me and next thing you know we're both gone you know like she like there's a definite pattern she freestyles her lies it's almost like she's not even freestyling like she she writes her freestyles

and then she she repeats them because there's definitely like there's moments where I swear to God she's she's lying in iambic pentameter it's like crazy how she's got this rhythm that she always and it's not it's not the same pattern that you would use if you're just like thinking back and telling a story. So when she's talking

about being in bed with Kaylee on the day that she went missing, she's talking about like they ask her, okay, describe to us what was happening or tell us your story about what happened that day. And she'll start by saying, so the morning had arrived and she was in bed with me. I'm trying don't think exactly like what her words were but she um she doesn't just state facts she almost like tells a story about how everything was going you know like a fact would be i was in bed with casey or i was in bed with cayley and we slept in that day and then next thing you know i woke up and she was she was gone that's how you would say that story and the way that she was saying i'm trying to remember her her exact words in the moment but it's much more narrative like like

Like she's writing a story from somebody else's perspective of what was going on that morning and not from her own two eyes. She's a weirdo. I mean. By the way, the finding of the body was weird. There was like a psychic involved. Did you guys get that part? Yeah. So the psychic, they bring those psychics.

I want to talk to somebody that's like a police psychic just so I can kidnap them and never have them like work again because they're so. full of shit and they just all they do is they ruin actual people's lives in cases by just like making up stuff for police to go investigate they're actually bad people i think um we should talk a little bit about the google searches that case you did yeah um excuse me yeah she looked up chloroform full proof suffocation someone someone well hold on wait hold on we don't have any proof that it was her okay she did she did a uh google search for full proof suffocation and you might say we don't have proof that was her she was the only one in that family that used Firefox it was done on a Firefox and then right after that that she clicked on the

foolproof suffocation methods then she logged on to MySpace directly after that so unless her dad was rocking on my space back then that that's a huge I think they definitely colluded I also think those Google searches could have been post some sort of horrible accident and the kid is now suffering on the brink of death and they or what i i don't know how to make chloroform what if like you know when you were a kid like you know if you mix ammonia and bleach it creates mustard gas no we don't know that really i fucked up one time and you did that i would i went um so my aunt had a house uh that was like near a beach in chinketig Virginia. And so we went out there, me and my friends for a weekend, had a good time. We left

some shrimp in the fridge. And then I forgot about the shrimp. I had to return to clean out that entire refrigerator because it smelled so bad. And I just got all the cleaning supplies, like out from under the sink. And there was ammonia and there was bleach. And I was using both those things to clean the fridge out. And then I got this really, really bad headache. And I had no idea was going and so I like left and went and laid down for a while and then return and clean it out using like just one of them and I told my friends about that when I got home but dude you just you made you made a very toxic yeah combination of gases so never do that yeah never mix bleach and ammonia that's the only reason I know how to make mustard gas is because

I don't want to make mustard gas and I had to clean things a lot and yeah so like I'm trying to think if you're near a pool and let's say you're like a kid I'm looking at it right now I just googled how to make chloroform from chlorine so on the record that on your work computer 136 yes on my work computer it says acetone uh chlorine bleach with ethanol and acetone will produce chloroform so what if there's a little toddler running around with some uh nail polish remover and they spill it into the pool and chloroform themselves and then drown because they like knocked themselves out and then they drown in the pool but they didn't have a pool that was like you could step into you had to climb up and the ladder wasn't there damn

yeah i i okay i i don't know what happened that day i just know that that casey was searching for how to kill somebody basically and that she lied about everything that happened and then after her daughter went missing she didn't do anything about it and then she lied to her mom after 30 days and said yeah the nanny took her mom and then her car smelled like death

according to Casey's mom not just Casey's dad that's the thing in the documentary it's just Casey's dad they definitely didn't let the mom in on whatever was going on she is not without blame yeah it's but it's definitely it's they only talked about Casey's dad smelling the dead body in the documentary. Casey's mom smelled it too.

On the 911 call, she said, my daughter's cora smells like death. Like there's a dead body in there. By the way, the nanny didn't you, the nanny existed, but was never her nanny, was never like. Yeah, it wasn't her.

She didn't know her. It would be like if I just like named a random person, like, she's a great liar. Imagine if like just randomly someone, like did you kidnap a child? and you're like who what child and it's like this child like this woman says that you're their nanny it's like what no i'm not i'm not the nanny yeah the 30 days if you kid being missing is

wild to me it's it's unexplainable i can't there's no defense for that i don't i don't understand it yeah so her explanation is that um her dad did something and then her dad told her don't worry about it don't call the cops talk to me and I'll give you your daughter back and she was like okay no she was basically saying like she's gonna be okay

and like he was gonna take care of it like maybe she thought she never really explains what she thought like in any kind of detail which I thought was kind of shady she's never like I thought he took her away you know there's never any of that shit It was just like he kept saying she's going to be okay.

And even when she was in prison, ermed in jail the first time, she was like, I was talking to him and he's, she's going to be okay. And there was video of him even saying that. But the interesting part was like when she, when they said,

um, that they found the remains and she was in the waiting room. And she looked over and she saw the TV of them flashing that. And she broke down at that moment because she realized that her daughter was dead. Like, I mean, that's hard to fake. That's hard to stage. from somebody who's like been unemotional the entire time and so I know there's a lot of

inconsistencies with a lot of shit so I like that I don't know I remain unconvinced that she murdered her for the reasons um but also I didn't see any pattern of neglect or abuse so it's just I don't know her closest friends are like there's no way she did it her closest friend how about the fact that uh every time that she like starts to cry in the documentary she acts like she's crying but there's usually no tears at all that come down her face she's like she's very good at fake and crying I don't know that I

you just you judge a lot of character why go back and watch assessments you go back I saw some I'll talk here please because I'm gonna I'll go back and watch okay they're not in the there were tears at the end yeah there were some tears at the end but she cried probably like 10 times in the documentary and when she did she would she would do the cry sound she would sound like she was

crying she would reach her finger up and and act like she was wiping away tears from her eyes. But she was never crying. I felt like I was going crazy watching that and being like, she's not actually crying. Do you think that there was enough evidence to convict her of murder? I don't know what the law in Florida is. I know that there...

What do you mean the law in Florida? I don't know what the law is for like what... Beyond a reasonable doubt. Same it is. No, but I'm saying like when it comes to things like the 30 days that we're missing like what has to what has to what what hurdles do you have to clear to prove guilt in a murder case in Florida like beyond a reasonable doubt all that I you ain't a juror I so I don't think they prove without a reasonable doubt and like I think a lot

of people like forget that the the way the US justice system is made up which was like designed for this reason is it's supposed to keep innocent people out of jail then at a greater rate than keep than put i think she was responsible for her daughter's death yes but could you prove that report i wait not see now we're getting back to like the legal question yeah arian just asked eric if i thought she did that shit and eric says yes she's responsible for her daughter's death definitely tears by the way i just right you're using that's that's i didn't even see the deal without without a reasonable using a lot yeah you're using a lot of wiggle words.

You said you think she's responsible for her debt. Yes. Do you think that she orchestrated and or participated? I don't know if we're talking first degree or second degree. So you can't prove without a reasonable doubt. So first degree murder killed with malice

and intent. I believe malice of forethought is the yeah, first degree is like planned with intent. Like I'm I'm unsure anybody believes that. Yeah. I think she She's definitely more guilty than a lot of people that have been convicted for murder. But, like, for example, there is a possibility in your mind.

You think there's a possibility that the Kaylee did not drown in the pool? And it was covered up and the body was hidden. But, like, that's the way the baby could have died. Like a different, that she was suffocated because Casey looked up on Google foolproof suffocation methods. But, like, is there a possibility that the baby could have died? different way? Other than what? Which one? Whatever you're suggesting. Well, that's the thing. It's like, since nobody was there when it happened, it's impossible to say exactly how the baby died. So that is why she's let off. Kaley being disposed of in the exact same manner that

George Anthony used to bury their pets. Well, that's probably the exact same way that Casey Anthony learned how to dispose of things. I don't think you can't say that that directly implicated. it's him. No, it's not enough to convict someone of murder, but it's interesting. No, but there's other things. Also, what was that sticker stuff? Oh, listen, if your daughter dies and you put her in your trunk and drive around for 30 days with your dead daughter, do you think that's what happened? It could, well, she had her dead daughter and it was in her trunk, the trunk of her car. That's what you're implying. There were, there were hair. that were found in there.

It smelled like death. Smelled like death. Her daughter was in the trunk of her car for 30 days after she died. I'm going to say that you, there's no, there's no proof of that though. But there's like her hairs and shit are in there.

But the hairs, the hairs could have been anyone in the families. I don't know if that's true. Or I don't know. It is. It is. They didn't exclusively prove that it. They knew it was a female on her side of the family.

they didn't prove that it was her. Yeah, so it could have been Casey Anthony's hair. How would Casey Anthony's hair be in the trunk of her own car? Dude, you girls' hairs get open everywhere. Your trunk to put groceries in there. I don't know. I'm just saying, I don't know. I think she was in some way, something really bad happened, and she and her dad probably

both knew about it. I don't think she said, I'm going to kill my daughter because I want to go. out and party more with my friends that makes no sense and if that's the best like motive you've got you're probably gonna lose your case which they did yeah the the partying method or the partying motive did not make any sense to me and also the bell if you didn't even party that hard the bella vita tattoo yeah she wasn't even a real party she wasn't if you're gonna she wasn't hardcore she was a shot girl she she was a shot girl if you like are i'm going to kill my daughter because i like to party so much. If you're at that level, then partying is your entire life. And she probably would

have been like doing crazy drugs, way more weird. The pictures of Casey Anthony would have looked a lot more like Hunter Biden than of just like a girl at a club giving out shots. Yeah. It is weird that she got the Bella Vita tattoo like at day 12 of Kaylee being missing. Yep. Very strange. And then was writing about how she had never been happier and she hopes that this happiness remains in her life. Like those are weird things to write about When your daughter is missing and you're not telling anyone Yeah, she definitely had something to do with her daughter's death I mean

She was definitely responsible for her daughter's death And then the cover up afterwards She was in on that too Now this is also just a huge advertisement for birth control Yeah is it Not killing your children Now people just I had a wild take

Let me know what y'all think about this Let's just say for a minute She's innocent didn't do anything completely had no idea, right? So she goes on trial for her child's murder. Even after she's acquitted, everyone in the world thinks she did it.

Now has no contact with her family. Believes her dad killed her daughter. And while she's out of prison, I would imagine her quality of life isn't incredible. If all of those things were the case, I'd kill my dad.

Yeah. If I truly believed, if I really didn't do it and I believed my dad killed my kid and I was like living this life that like sure you're not in prison but like everybody in the world hates you and thinks you killed your kid I'd just go get my money's worth I'd kill my dad yeah yeah I think that's actually a very rational why by the way they always see the picture of her dad with like the neck brace yeah okay that's that guy's guilty that's that's a guy looking for sympathy if you if you're walking out of your if you're that hurt that you need that type of neck brace

that you're walking outside with that on you shouldn't be out of the hospital yeah yeah and someone looking for attention you wait to do the news interview until your neck brace is off yeah but yes um big tea i think that's that's a completely rational decision making process to have if your dad tried to get you

sentenced to death and had done the other things that she accuses him of doing and you know that your dad molested you molested your granddaughter and killed your granddaughter absolutely you kill your dad yeah but but like come on the fact that the fact that Casey Anthony did not commit murder proves to me that she did commit murder no the fact that she did commit murder might show that she isn't like capable of murder because she made it up

she made up the part about her dad all that stuff about her dad I think your dad's a scumbag I think her dad's a real creep I don't know what happened between her dad growing up dad try to. There's no way for us to say like definitively she's telling the truth about being abused or not. Like that takes a psychologist with years of training to be able to dig into that. I'm just saying I think that she lies about. I think if him being a scumbag and a creep who may have done some really fucked up shit isn't enough to say he's a murderer, her being a liar isn't enough to say she's a murderer. But there's a lot of other stuff that she did that you could say that she's a murderer for. I think the father a hundred percent helped cover up the murder. could be yep yeah but even even even even if there's the case why i get like stumped is okay if he helped cover it up and he's an ex-cop and he knows how these investigations go why do you have no alibi with your daughter you know what i mean or why is there no story with your daughter they were against each other from day one that's where i don't think it was collusion because they they were never on the same page if it was if they colluded they would have

been on the same page at some point in time or maybe they were on the same page the father's a cop he understands how these murder trials go he said let's try to pin the crime on each other and then they will never be able to prove without a reasonable doubt that either one of us did it that i don't think so like like i don't make no sense because well that's how i think they never they never she never She never attempted to pin it on him and neither did the defense. That wasn't until after everything was already done. They never looked at her dad as a suspect. That was what the whole documentary was about.

So since he was never a suspect alluding to him maybe doing it was the way she got out of it. No, she never alluded to him doing it. That's the whole thing. She never alluded until after the trial, after all that issue was over. He was always alluding that she did it in court only though. well she did she said a lot of stuff about her dad like about her dad molesting her um that was her explanation during the trial no that was that wasn't her idea that was the process that was the defense the defense's game plan was to get her reaction to it so it wasn't they weren't like that wasn't

like the abuse was was to to cover up why she didn't do anything for those 30 days like It was never to allege that her dad did it. No, I think it was still alleged that her dad did it. No, they never, they didn't mention it. Am I fucking up, Big Tia? I don't think they ever in court, they never argued that her dad did it. Yeah, not during the trial, I don't think. They brought the woman that he was having an affair with.

Yeah, yeah. They were trying to damage his character. She said that she had heard something from him. I forget exactly what she said. She didn't like. That it was an accident that got blown out of proportion. Something to that effect. Yeah.

Yeah. I'm going to let Blake Griffin take it away with his take on the matter. Blake Griffin, August 15th, 2011 tweeted, accidentally hit a squirrel yesterday in my car. Feel so guilty I could barely sleep. Casey Anthony is a monster. Blake said it. Listen, Blake said it.

I co-signed Blake. Casey Anthony, she did that shit. She's crazy. She's a menace. It's tough, man. I don't know, man. Come on the pot to defend yourself, Casey. yeah but i think the whole secret lies in the suicide note that we just no one ever got to read i think

that's might have really the suicide note is available it is what do you say i mean you want me to read the entire thing you can just you can look it up right now he basically said like he failed everybody he wants to go be with with kaley in there a couple times which is very creepy he doesn't admit to anything also the the interview with dr oz uh Where he's in the headgear and all that. And he starts saying, I need forgiveness from my family for the things that I've done. And he was kind of like, and his, was it not her mom sitting next to him? It looked like somebody else.

I think it was. Okay, yeah. Well, she kind of looks at him like, what are you doing? Like stop talking. Yeah. That was odd. I don't. Something weird went on with him.

He's not a normal dude. he was doing something I want to know what happened to him when he was a kid like do you think that people that people who are abusers do you think that they come from a long line

like going back thousands of years like in our family everybody abuses each other no I think a lot of it is learned behavior a lot of it is coping mechanisms because it

hide your pain yeah there's definitely like a correlation between people who are abused as children and then they end up acting that out when they become adults. But it doesn't necessarily have to be a family member. It could be a priest or something. Yeah, it could be somebody else. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. Mm-hmm. But yes. Or it's a power thing. You can find, yeah. So for some people, it is about power. It's not all, uh, learned behavior, but you found that, you found the note? Yeah. Yeah. Is it long?

okay he says at the end he just keeps commenting about how his writing is getting weird because he's like on medication he's fucked up he's like wow the writing is getting weird it almost sounds like somebody who's writing a suicide note trying to make it seem like a suicide like a fake suicide note like oh the drugs are getting me now like how she would talk in these weird cryptic ways

like they have these they have a weird um vernacular that they use I don't know if that's an Anthony family way but

what the fuck is that is he still alive did that yeah I thought you would be certain like dead after all that stress

I think and that's another thing is like it's like I don't know it because this nigga bought a fucking boat

and wanted to go search for missing kids that's how inspired he was by this. But like, like now your daughter's still looking for, you know, answers and you don't want to talk about it no more?

Mm-hmm. I don't believe this dude, bro. I'm sorry. I don't know. That was kind of weird how he took them on him and bought a boat and then put a rap on it saying like, we bought this boat to fight missing children. To like,

to stop the scourge of missing children. He does like a boat parade. boat parade to raise awareness for missing children. Last time that we're going to go to hedonism down in Jamaica for an awareness week raising awareness about missing children. Last time that boat was seen in a Trump boat parade. Yeah.

Yeah, the boat the boating ass, but that guy's a weirdo. There's something weird going on. I agree with that. Maybe murder. Yeah, arrest both of them. So I think in here we have, I think, three people who say she should not have been convicted a first-degree murder? Whether you say she had something to do with it, whatever, I think Billy Arian and I say there was not enough to convict her a first-degree murder. Is that correct?

Yeah, we're not letting emotions get in the way of facts of the legal system and there wasn't. And then do all three say she should have been convicted of first-degree murder? I think that the prosecution did not do a good enough job to convict her first-degree murder. Prosecues and fucked all up. I think she, no, I think that she's responsible for the of her child. But I think as the trial played out, they didn't do a good enough job. Yeah. Saying that she did. She's like the OJ thing. I'm not yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Thank you, Matt Dogg. She's like OJ. By the way, went on YouTube to watch more Casey Anthony stuff after I finished the documentary. And there's a Marsha Clark apparently has a TV show on A&E where she does

her own investigation of crimes. And she had one on Casey Anthony, which I found pretty ironic, given her claim to fame is that she did her job poorly yeah that's true what was her conclusion what was her conclusion oh she was they were dead set like like they were they thought they really got her they're like look at these pictures

of her partying she killed her daughter because she wanted to go party like all the things that were like yeah that was dumb they were like we got it also there are people who go on meth vendors who still maintain their child I just think she did it

and I think that her lying and her not you know go to the authorities for a month there is just no way in my brain that someone who loves their child and wants to protect their child wouldn't would go about it in that way to be honest the only way that makes even a shred of sense

is if she's telling the truth because there's no way that your kid is gone for a month and you're not doing something about it unless it really was that she had this weird Stockholm syndrome with her dad who'd abused her and she thought that like

if she did something that he was going to hurt her and that she just had to take him at his word and even then it doesn't make a lot of sense but that's the only way it makes any sense at all. I agree. That angle makes more sense than I'm a party girl. You know what I mean?

Yeah. That makes way more. It just makes more sense. Have you seen the police interrogation videos of Casey Anthony? Yeah. They're fascinating. She's just lying about everything. Every, every sentence.

It's like she can talk about their friends with them all. Yeah. Every sentence out of her mouth is a different type of lie. And it's effective because the cops don't know how to deal with somebody that's just lying to them with complete confidence. And then when they get called on their lies, then they have another lie to explain that. It's just never ending series. of the cops being so frustrated with but she is

maybe one of the goat liars do you think it's plausible that she was being instructed as she's claimed that her dad was like okay say this say that now here that's the dynamic that I can't get over it's like okay her dad's an ex-cop

he's telling her okay it's going to be okay all alleged right allegedly he's telling her it's going to be okay allegedly he sexually abused her allegedly she has all this kind of okay he's an ex-cop he has this hold over me he actually knows how this process is going so now he's feeding her all this information of what to say and to keep lying and it's going to be okay all the while back doing her blaming her for it you know what i mean i don't think that's it i don't think

it's true because the stuff that she was saying to the cops her explanations and what she was saying during the interrogations made no sense so like it would not have been coached because it was all really what this that that's my whole point is like, it couldn't have been premeditated on anybody's part because there was literally no alibi. There was no, they had no game plan. She had no game plan. He had no game plan. But what was consistent was the misdirection by the father. The misdirection was very consistent because in the courtroom he was a different person than he was in the media. That's the only thing that is consistent. And if you're trying to sow confusion throughout the entire thing,

he is the only candidate that that makes sense as the orchestrator of that. I'm going to give out extra optional homework for people, if you want to. Watch on YouTube. Watch, I think it's called There's Something About Casey. That's what I watched this morning. Yeah, and see what a great liar she is. Yeah, I watched that this morning to kind of get both sides of it because I couldn't just take Casey Anthony for her word.

Yeah, there's something about Casey. that's by JCS criminal psychology They're the people that did the It's the one with the meme of this is what pretending to be crazy looks like And it's that guy sitting in a room With one of the school shooters Who's claiming to hear voices But just making up the entire time

There was a school shooter Pretended to be crazy I think it's T.J Lane Or what's his name? I think it was a Parkland shooter Yeah he was pretending that like voices were telling him to do it But he was making the entire thing up Yeah he was just like

oh the boy like he was just the way part the Florida yeah yeah was it the Tj whatever his name is you said Tj Oshin I was like no no no no I didn't say TJ Oshu TJ Lane whatever's name is I don't know but yeah Aaron you should watch there's something about Casey because it's got all the behind

the scenes the actual interrogation footage where she may watch that when she's talking about her job at Universal Studios and well you know she's she's she'd lie her ass off that entire thing absolutely but like listen to her talk and the way that she's describing things it's not the way that a normal person does but you keep you keep using that but not very much um you're not selling me on that because it sounds like it's a it's a personal like you indicted

her in your head by when you're listening to her i i haven't i don't know shit about the case until i started watching this shit like i i've heard the name i heard she was the my i heard all that shit, but I didn't really know what was going on. So, like, unbiasedly, well, one, when when motherfuckers be crying like that, that shit really don't even move me. Like, that's, that shit, I, I seem, I've seen, personally, I see motherfuckers lie to my face with that crying bullshit. That shit doesn't move me.

I was just looking at everything surrounding it. And so it's like, I don't really judge her character, because you could be lying to me all day. I don't, that doesn't matter. The shit around it just doesn't make any sense. If anything, if, like I said, if anything, guilty, not guilty. cops dropped a ball and investigating pops. That's for sure.

They fucked that up. Yeah. They did. The prosecution was really, really bad. So if you want to get away with murder, moved to Florida. That's my takeaway from everything. Seems pretty easy to do. Also, the defense attorney that she had,

that guy was, the second that guy started to talk, you're like, this dude's smooth. He was good. Baez, or the one? that they interviewed. Baez. Yeah. When Baez started talking,

it's like, oh, she's getting up. Another weird thing was, uh, after the whole shit, the lawyer, the whole lawyer team like took her in like his family.

That was very odd to me. Mm-hmm. Like that shit just doesn't happen, bro. I'm just saying, don't pay, go watch some other things besides just this documentary that was like the Casey Anthony show.

You will, you will, you will at the very least come back thinking that she's definitely responsible for the death even if she should not have been convicted of first degree murder based on that evidence that was presented to the jury at the time just check it out

just check it out because I'm I just I get the vibe like it is like are we sure that she did not have final cut over these interviews? I I sort of I watched a documentary this morning cramming, but I was looking at more information off of basis of the evidence and what was shown to the jury because I wanted to not be swayed too much. And there wasn't

a smoking gun. Like to get someone to actually prosecute for murder and not saying this is how it works every time in justice system because plenty of people have been prosecuted for murder who were innocent. And it's largely institutional racism that caused it a lot of times. This was like where the where the system worked in the right way but for the wrong person. Yeah. I think that's a fair way to look at it.

And same with the OJ. Well, I think the son did in the OJ case, but like the OJ case, they weren't able to prove without a shadow of a doubt that it was him to do it. And I think today there's way more evidence, be it ring cameras and everything, that will probably prevent something.

like this from happening? Like, think about if there's a ring camera in the backyard of Casey Anthony's house. That's true. They had, they filed a cell phone that they didn't ping. This is what I'm saying, man. Yeah. They had some, shit, they just dropped a ball on that shit.

But also, listen to, um, to some of the jailhouse conversations that she has with her parents because they only showed like small clips in this documentary. like her dad and her were talking the entire time and she was like lying to her dad too so that what just about what happened like when they were having conversations about what happened to Casey or what happened to Kaylee

and she was like lying to her dad about where she had been for the last month but they didn't show that in the documentary it's really strange what they chose to show I may I may have gotten got but um i just i i i i can understand why like like they just couldn't convict because there just isn't any there's not enough like like i'm unsure if she is 100% you can

absolve her 100% like there's some things that shout i don't buy like i don't buy a lot of shit she said but i didn't see any pattern of neglect that's what fucked me up like usually in these cases like there's a pattern of neglect and there's stuff like the coroner can see, you know what I'm saying? But it just wasn't the case. It just wasn't the case. All her friends say, nah, she was

a good mom. Nah, she was good but she's lying. Like, she's a liar. That was the big thing that she's a liar. Yeah, she was definitely a liar for sure. She might still be lying. What do you think would take, like a piece of evidence it would have taken to actually get a prosecuted? Um.

A weapon? Well, I think if they'd have found the body sooner, there'd be more. If they'd have found some evidence that was concrete in her car, that would have convinced me. But that evidence wasn't concrete. If there was like her fingerprints on the duct tape. Well, see, even the duct tape was kind of iffy. Because it wasn't, it wasn't like on her skin.

It was like on the bag and could have just like. been brushed up it was never really it just it just wasn't like there was no evidence of it being like around her mouth and duct taped around her mouth that that was not true she's lucky she didn't get convicted with a lack of physical evidence there's some other people who weren't so lucky scott our friend scott more physical evidence in this case than that one i forgot about scottie the funny the funny the funny thing about the scott beers and gays is that we were trying to like you're giving your evidence for him not be guilty and then we found out that you said in another woman was found dead the same way as the wife and i was like now i think

he killed her too no motive to do that big team is ready to put hands on everybody in a studio i'm just saying casey's lucky that she wasn't tried in california that was one of the best things like find like basically yeah that was probably a woman Scott Pearson was cheating with that he then killed on top of his life oh now you're just talking crazy yeah

oh man also in the jailhouse tapes if you listen to him she's talking to her parents and she goes I'm so glad that Kaylee had both of you I mean and still has both of you like I don't know I think

that's not that that's not that see that's that's not damning to me because like i i don't want to be like you don't know anybody like that i's not i don't want to do that because i don't want to but like if you know sexual abuse victims especially it happened to them young they have a they and this is i'm not defending her like she could be guilty as shit but from that aspect that's not damning to me because if that is true let's look at both sides if that is true that's not uncommon from an abuse victim to say that to somebody who abused them. Like I, like I said, I've seen plenty instances where people just, they, it's like they

block that shit out and, and they just hold them to this high prestige. And so like I said, I'm unsure if it's true or not, but that evidence doesn't, like, that doesn't move me. Like, oh, why would she act like that? There's a reason for that. Like, if that is true, I don't know, though. Watch her talking to her dad when she's in. in jail. I'm going to watch.

Oh, I don't doubt she was involved in some way. When she's, when she's making up the story to her dad while she's in jail about what happened to, uh, to Kaylee. I think that they, I think that her dad's like, look, they're recording all these conversations, like, oh, her dad definitely knows that, yeah. Yeah. So I feel like he was definitely advising her on all this like, on what to do. I think it was way more calculated because he was in the system. Her dad is, uh, Her dad's a big weirdo, yeah. But if by the time that she's in jail, everything that, like, every time that they're talking, it's recorded.

So what are they doing at that point to, like, collude with each other, that, like, at that stage of it. Sliding notes, maybe? No, dude, like, that, they're, she's in jail for murder. He's not getting notes to her. He's not getting notes. He's not sneaking notes. They're separated by a pane and glass, I think. Yeah. And there's officers on Casey's side.

like I just don't get where like the collusion part comes in once maybe before but once she is indicted and once she's on trial I don't get where the collusion part comes in just because she was such she was on such high watch. That's what I'm saying. Okay. So if y'all think she's guilty, right? Explain to me the reasoning or explain to me what you make of the inconsistencies. with her father and going on the news stations and saying my daughter couldn't have done this but then in court he sang it an entirely different tune but we don't know explain that we don't know what what her dad said in court to the grand jury no he was he was doing it

during the trial but in the regular trial in the regular trial in the regular trial what exactly did he say about her he was he was constantly saying you know she's a liar i don't know she was she was she was she didn't say where she was been uh yeah he he was he was their star witness And so my thing is like, I agree with you that I don't think there's any colluding that went on. I think it looks more to me like somebody did some shit and you was covering up your steps and you was trying to find a scapego for it and you found one in your daughter. That's what

it looks like to me from the outside. Or I'm going to look at this other shit, but. Or he knew that since he did it and maybe she was involved. that if he pinned it on her who didn't do it, the courts would not be able to prove without a shadow of doubt that she did it, and him piling on her would then make it able that they both get off and everyone's scotch-free.

That would make sense, but to me, what nullifies that is subsequent to the trial, they don't speak anymore. They don't talk. They haven't had any words. So if they was close afterwards,

I would say that kind of makes sense. we got away with it we did it you had my back but she's like you blaming me for this shit and you know i didn't do it like that's what she's her disposition is and so that doesn't make any sense to me that's what i don't know man there's also i mean there's a possibility that when he was talking to the media he didn't want to believe that his daughter was a murderer and then time goes on you show up for trial it's been years it's been three years your granddaughter's dead And your granddaughter's dead and then you've been talking to your daughter in prison or in jail and, you know, gathering more facts and you're like, yeah, she did that shit. He was clearly distraught about his granddaughter being dead. He couldn't smell her sweat anymore.

That's true. That's true. He was devastated. So that's that's very, very creepy and the whole the wake is just, I don't think that's how a normal person would act. It doesn't make any sense that he would say things like that. I don't know. Grief does weird things to people, right? I guess. It's hard to have done weird things to Casey Anthony. I guess all I'm saying is it like it's tough to judge somebody if they're going through an extremely emotional situation like that, probably taking some sort of like Xanax or mood stabilizer.

Who knows? It is creepy. It does come off as extremely creepy and unusual. But it's still at the same time tough to be like that means he was molesting her. Well, what Big T said he was like, well, yeah, she might have been acting weird because of the grief. The whole time, though, before she, like, those 31 days and before she got indicted and she was like, I know she's alive. No, she's alive. She's not going through like grief in her head because she kept being like, my gut is telling me she's alive.

My gut is telling me she's close. I know she, like, I know she's alive somewhere. So she shouldn't have been going through the grieving process because in her brain or, you know, whatever. If she's innocent, Kaylee is still alive somewhere with Zanida. Well, that's what, no, well, no, she thought she was with her dad. That's what I said. The only way that makes sense is if that's actually true. Okay.

As if she thinks she's with her dad and her dad is telling her like, yeah, it's going to be fine. And it actually makes sense that she's out there living her life then because then she just wants to get her mind off. Yeah, like what choice do you have? To try to get your daughter back, I would assume. But that's what I'm saying. The only way it makes sense at all is if what she said is actually the truth. Which, what are the chances of that after what we've known about KCN? I don't know.

What are the, I would say equally likely as that her daughter was just like gone and she didn't do anything about it. I guess. If everything she said, if everything she said is true, it makes sense. Which like sounds dumb, but there are, if you killed someone, the story you come up with, would likely have some holes in it, which her still, I guess, does, but the things that need to be explained are explained by her,

whether you believe them or not, if they're true, then it kind of adds up. She thought her dad maybe was abusing the child and killed it accidentally or intentionally. The dad is telling her like, and she has some sort of weird stuff, Stockholm syndrome with her dad. She's still fearful of him. Her dad's telling her the kid's going to be

fine, whatever. So she doesn't really have a choice other than to go along with that. Then finds out the kid is dead. So like, you know, it kind of makes sense if that's what happened. from from her dad's perspective if you've been publicly defending your daughter and you've been you don't know what's going on you know what happened you've been saying my daughter didn't do this there's no way she loved she loved Kaylee too much you go into into jail talk to your daughter ask her where is she where she she gives you an explanation about first a nanny that has her second she's got to still be alive and then it's found that you're granddaughter is dead and she's been wrapped up with all the things from your house at that

point you know that your daughter did it there's no there's no other explanation so at that do we know the corrobor do we know the corrobor yes she did it though this is what I'm saying do we know the do do we know the dates in which he was saying those interviews versus the trial going on I don't that's important I don't have them no I don't have do you have those big tea no but I would assume it was considerably before because the trial took a long time to get going. It was in 2011, correct? Yeah, and the thing was in 2008.

So I would assume any interviews he was doing on TV was in 2008 before they found the body, which was in like December, I think. December of 2008. Yeah. All right. So show of hands. Did Casey Anthony do it? Hand up if she did.

See, I don't know. No, no, no. No, that's what I'm asking. Yeah. I think she. did it. I think she was involved in the death, but I don't think she was, there was enough evidence to convict it. Yeah, so we're talking, it's

like OJ all over again. Yeah. Well, I think the son did. Yeah, left hand up Casey, Anthony, murderer. If I had to manslaughter, child neglect, 100%. If I had to guess what happened, there was some sort of accident

and she probably knew the kid was dead before she claimed she did. now I don't think she murdered her so it's I don't know how to answer that question the internet searches for

suffocation suffocation it's tough I know but I just Googled how to make chloroform yeah but you don't have any we know why you did that why you did that why would Casey Anthony Google she was on a podcast back in 2011 we don't know she's the one to Google that

it was done on her Firefox and the next The next website after that was MySpace. Was her dead on MySpace? I don't know. Do you have the timestamps to prove that? The timestamps on the internet. So that was the other thing.

That's true. This says the television in Orlando reported that police never investigated the Firefox browser information on Casey Anthony's computer the day of Kail's death. Correct. The only looked at internet explorer. Correct. Which is why they didn't find foolproof suffocation and use that

in trial because when they looked at Firefox that's where they found that somebody did a Google search for foolproof suffocation. Oh, so that was never in the trial? As far as I know that was not in the trial because they didn't look at Firefox. So how did they find

it? Okay, so Orange County Sheriff's Captain, Angela Neves said Sunday the office's computer investigator missed the June 16th, 2008 search. The agency's admission was first reported by Orlando Television Station, WKMG. It's not known who performed the search. The station reported it was done on a browser primarily used by the two-year-old's mother, Casey Anthony, who was acquitted of the girl's murder in

2011. Counterpoint. So they missed it. Counterpoint. Her detective father who killed the child knows that these kinds of things are looked at. He knows this very well. You think he knows to use a different browser? I think that you could be the smartest police officer in the world. and if you're above the age of 50, you don't know what technology your 19-year-old is using on their private computer. I don't know.

So, wait, he also stated that everybody had everybody's passwords. Yeah, so the evidence is that it was on Firefox instead of Internet Explorer. And then right afterwards, it went to MySpace. So you're telling me he had a...

You have the... So you keep saying that, but give me the timestamps. What do you mean right after? What matters? Again, something that a detective could have done if he was trying to frame someone for murder. but let's just say he had no clue which browser she used so he had a 50-50 shot that's like the best

whoever conducted the google search look for the term foolproof suffocation misspelling suffocation and then clicked on an article about suicide that discussed taking poison and putting a bag over one's head the browser then recorded activity on the social networking site my space which was used by casey anthony but not her father again if what i'm implying happened that's something someone who was trying to frame someone for murder might do. You too woke.

Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Let's think through this, logically, PFT. I'm thinking about

killing my daughter. I go, how would I go about doing that? Blu-bo-do-do-do-do-type type, type, type, type. Hmm, maybe I should suffocate her. Hey, who's on my top eight? Right out.

Get the fuck out of here. Well, to be fair, why these guys strike me as minsa members. Yeah, Casey's a psycho. Like, that shit don't make no... It absolutely does make sense that Casey would do that. You know, it makes sense that

that evidence was planted. That's what that should make. That makes... I agree. I actually think I'll use her computer, then I'll go on MySpace so that they know it was her. Okay, all right. I'm calling bullshit on that. Okay, well, then put yourself in Georgie Boys' head, right? And

you're framing your daughter. You went to all these links. You, you you logged on to her MySpace. You used her Firefox. You use her password to set her up for this. And they miss it during the search because they don't check Firefox. They just looked at Internet Explorer. But she's already on trial for murder.

What do you care? At some point along the line, would you be like, you know, something just occurred to me. She didn't use Internet Explorer. She was Mozilla. This Mozilla thing is what Casey always talked about using. No, because she's already on trial for murder and that would make you look suspicious. No, he would definitely, if you, if you tipping, if you tip in police off to clues that lead directly to a murder. Yeah, that's the dumbest thing you could have done that, that, yeah, I'm not buying that one either, dog.

One episode we should play. PFT is letting his bias cloud facts. Thousand percent. We should play clue one episode and just try to see who. Lib T. Let's see who's guilty. Who can play B as a criminal. No, this is LibTee right now.

No. You're too soft on crime. Soft on crime. No. Yeah, I'm out here. I'm the law and order podcast. I think they got the wrong guy. I'm trying to clean this shit up right now.

I want the guy who didn't prosecute it. No, you don't. Yes, I do. No, you don't. No, you, you think she's hot and you don't think that she could do it because I think she's hot. No, no, no, no. Did you see her teeth? Oh, I mentioned this.

That's some killer teeth. Her teeth were so off putting. Like the jagged and there was one that was, she looked like Nanny McPhee. Oh, it was so gross. If she fixed her teeth, she'd be kind of. a high. Big T. has a teeth fetish? No, I want teeth to be straight.

He expects perfection. In line. He likes his teeth. Big T's got unrealistic expectation. He likes his teeth like his marriage. Perfect perfectly straight, white teeth. And he wants... You should not have a tooth that's offside. Your teeth

should be at the line of scrimmage. That's what I want. If Big T. was going to fuck Casey Anthony. He sent it to the orthodontist first. Yeah. I've got a guy. perfectly straight white teeth and not murdering their children you just want you want everything out of everybody

I okay so do do at least concede the fact that she had something to do with her daughter's death I can't you guys are you guys are nuts

you guys are whipped by she's got you under her spell I am listen I am not convinced so so I am not convinced that she did and I'm not convinced that she didn't you know what I'm saying? She drove around for a month with

with her daughter gone how can you drive around the car that smells that bad but this is what I'm saying there's on both sides there's evidence that says this is odd behavior for somebody who just lost daughter but then there's evidence that say this is odd

behavior for somebody who just murdered somebody so it's like I am wholly agnostic about this. I do not think that she murdered her, but I remain unconvinced that she's 100% innocent. So, like, I don't know where to go. I need to see more, but I mean, we can't now. I also just, I don't know that I buy that she would

tell police, like, for two weeks, just make up all these stories, leading them down wild goose chases when she knew that her dad had taken. in her daughter's body. I don't know that I buy that if her dad had abused her, that she would just completely neglect the life of her own daughter for that long and come up with all these different stories on her own while talking to police. I don't buy that. I think you might act erratically if you were on the precipice of being charged with murder. It's one thing to act radically it's another thing to make to invent an entire fantasy world and she's a wacko and tell

she's a whack job nobody's disputing that yeah her father also a whack job strange guy and and something weird happened and a kid ended up dead and we got a 50 50 shot at which wacko did it and there's not a ton of physical evidence saying that they got the right one okay so i i will say that when it comes to her dad, the fact that his hair was like completely white, but his eyebrows were like dark brown. Very strange. That's a sign of

an insecure man. That's always a strange combination. Sus. Sus. Wait. Hashtag. Investigate Greg Anthony. George. Not Greg Anthony. He does a great job on T&T. Him too.

Wait, who? Okay. Hashtag investigate George Anthony. George. Didn't he assault No Yeah Greg had me

Oh he used to play ball Okay yeah my fault My fault My fault We like Gregas The Q's brothers out there My fault Yeah

I mean look at the Look at his hair It's just white And then his eyebrows Or like jet black Well maybe I think that's how that works No it's not

I think it's very commonly Italian Is it? Yeah I mean look at Martin Sheen Let's look at Martin Sheen Italian Isn't he? Irish?

Yeah. What are you talking about, Bill? He's named's Martin Sheen. Yeah, but he's the entire entire subplot of the West Wing was about how he was Irish Catholic. But do you know his real name? I actually don't.

His real name is Raymond Antonio Gerardo Estevez. Oh, so he might be Italian. He's definitely Spanish. He's Spanish, but like Charlie Sheen's real, like Estevez is their real name. But he was born Dayton, Ohio. Hell yeah.

represent um damn what if she's lying and she's just that that's another okay let's say she's lying right the public forgot about this shit it's been 10 years the news cycle is fast and fast and the loose cycle's crazy she gets forgot about two weeks this is 10 years ago she drudges up this shit to make her relive it again and everybody else relive it again all to lie about it that doesn't make a lot of sense I'm not, I'm just, I'm just saying it doesn't make a lot of sense, man.

A quick cash grab, I don't know. Like, you can't have a job if you're Casey Anthony. She works for her lawyer. How did she make money? Yeah. Did you watch it? Yeah, she worked for her lawyer

for a long time. Madeline didn't watch it. Sorry. I watched the Casey thing. I don't have Peacock. Okay, how about this? How about this? How about this? Next Nano, we watch each other's sides.

I'm gonna watch the shit y'all told me to watch. You watch her documentary and it will come back and reconvening and read the verdicts. Yeah, that sounds fair. So I'm so, okay. She definitely was involved. Billy, you look up chloroform. Oh, okay. On Firefox.

Can we try, can we try to chloroform each other? Just Firefox still exists. I don't know how that actually works. Can you actually just take a napkin and put it up? someone's face and they just faint? Yeah. 100%. We can kill them.

It's like the cartoons. Yeah. Yeah. They can die though. It's extremely dangerous. Yeah, so don't try it. Philly do not chloroform. Or anywhere else.

I'm not going to chloroform anybody. Promise? Promise. Okay. I might be lying though. It might be a lie. Yeah, you might be. Yeah, it might be a little.

He'll like, he's going to end up chloroforming himself. He's like, I wonder how the smells. Nox him. himself. Man, can you imagine, can you imagine if Billy and Casey Anthony got together had a kid? Just what a liar that kid would be. Yeah, really, really. Incredible.

Yeah, this job is all about truths. What? Yeah, it would be, that kid would be like, it would be the best, like, CIA agent ever. When it comes to, like, waterboarding, that kid would just be, just be able to lie its way out of anything. Now you're definitely getting chloroformed. Okay. So you lied about... I said I was going to lie.

That was the truth. And now it's on tape. I'm chloroforming your ass and putting you in a trunk. Okay. Jeez, a luce. You wouldn't fit in a trunk. Not right now. Christmas ab still loading.

I fit in the trunk. Billy could chloroform me. That's... No. Don't, you don't want... Chloriform your bro funny. Mad Dog, you don't want the mad dog simps out there until I hear you say like,

I could fit in a trunk. Remember? you're putting a pretty big target on your back oh but remember oh no never never remember when I was in the trunk that's right yeah that's true mad dog has fit in a trunk before with us we've all put bad dog in a trunk yeah you guys are all guilty I feel like we need to explain that now confirm mad dog fits inside a trunk we were in a tiny car in Knoxville and there were no more seats and madeline had to get in the trunk for like a mile she volunteered yeah we we checked in we could hear her we made sure she

she was fine. She hit the door closed button herself. No one actually shut her in there. It wasn't even a mile either. I think it was a little less. Yeah, it was a quick job. Two to three minutes. There's a decent amount of elevation change because of the hills there, but I made it. I can still remember all 19 of the Duggers.

That's true. Nothing's changed. Well, no, you only got 18. That's true. Let's do some voicemails. I pre-order Ginger's book, by the way, comes out January 31st. Excellent. One of the Dugger's. Wait, aren't they all named...

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It could be, okay, so my thought was football, but it could be any sport, whatever you really want. What's like one professional athlete that you just couldn't stop watching that maybe isn't like, you know, It's a big game quarterbacks, yada, yada, yada. For me, it was definitely Camp Chancellor when he was in the Legion of Boom in Seattle when he was like hopping the O line to block field goals and just like absolutely laying lumber. Like, I'd love to hear what all you guys think about, like, random athletes that you just could not get enough of. All right, peace out. This is that meme where it's like how many beers till guys should start naming random athletes.

I think I have a good one for this. That's what this is going to turn into. I mean, my favorite professional basketball player. Oh, you didn't hear the question? He said a professional athlete that you love to watch who wasn't like a big name, which Kyle Corver. Kyle Corver is like a bigger name, I guess. Like he was an incredible shooter.

Yeah. But I fucking loved watching the Hawks win Kyle Corver. One of my favorite clips ever is the he hits four threes in a minute. Have you seen that? no oh it's so awesome it ended up being 11 points because his line was on his foot was on the line for one of them but he gets four threes in like 63 seconds it's incredible i always find it and send it is patrick beverly too big of a name no no yeah i like watching pat-bv yeah for basketball there's a bunch of football players i like to watch just randomly uh i like to move on

you guys remember Mo Vaughan first baseman he had such a cool swing it was almost like it looked like he had short arms he would just like turn his entire body and the ball would just be snapped down the right field line

Gary Sheffield was another one Gary Sheffield Borderline Hall of Famer well Cam Chancellor Borderline Hall of Famer Sean I guess I used to love watching Sean Lee when the Cowboys played

He would always be bleeding Yeah he was a whole plugger Oh, did you play against Sean Lee, Aaron, or is that too? Probably. I might have. I don't. No, no, the middle level ever, maybe. I don't know, actually.

I don't know. Was it Dat Nguyen. Did you play against Dat? Nah, ain't that old good. And I like, Layton Van der Esh has scratched the Sean Lee itch a little bit, but he's too athletic. Mm-hmm. He said Sean Lee was just a whole plugger. I mean, I guess Luke Keekley.

might be too much of a name big name. Yeah, he's like one of the best. Yeah. Keighley was so sick to watch though. This might be he's big though. I guess he was in college. Maurice

Claret? Yeah. But I love like I absolutely. I still watch YouTube clips to him. I just love the way he ran because he wasn't fast at all but he just got it done dog. I love watching him, right? Like Tolbert. Oh, yeah, Mike Tolbert was great

Tolbert had a wagon Yeah Watching him run was like Guys just bouncing off his Oh A wagon He was just a big He was just like

The shortest stockiest person ever But he would run you over Uh Michael Turner For the Falcons Yep That one Those like early Matt Ryan years

He was incredible Yep People say that That Philip Rivers didn't have any weapons around them. At one point, Philip Rivers at running back had Danny and Tomlinson, Michael Turner,

and Sproles. Sproles, and I'm pretty sure Tolbert was also on that team for a little bit, and Antonio Gates. And David Boston, I believe, was on that team? I think that was before Philip Rivers. Oh, was it? Okay.

Yeah, because we actually... Are you sure? Yeah, because we just got asked about David Boston. That was one of the questions on the dozen that I did yesterday. Okay. And that was like 2003.

I would get into arguments about people it would be like David Boston or T.O. Which one do you like more? Back in 2002 was a legitimate question in 2002. It wasn't. It wasn't. It was. It was never. David Boston

led the NFL in receiving yards or at least the NFC in receiving yards in 2002. Okay. It just wasn't a good question. Well, at that point I learned that I had takes unpopular takes sometimes I'm looking back at the 2010 Falcons now

it's disgusting how good this team was and they got killed by the Packers in the divisional round Matt Ryan Michael Turner Michael Jenkins Roddy White Tony Gonzalez John Abraham on defense with 13 sacks Oh I used to love watching

DeKimbe Matumbo He's probably a pretty big name though I'm judging these by if I know who they are Chris Anderson Birdman Tony Cooke coach okay Tony cool coach

oh you know Ron Harper Bulls years was an all-star with the Cavs but like the Bulls he took a backseat but he's smooth as shit yep

what about Harold Minor Harold Minor that sounds so familiar he would throw down Chad Kelly shocking but he's bigger name

because we talk about him his huge name who's oh Harrison Barnes okay I love Nick Swisher That's a good one He was on the Braves for like four months And he was fun to watch

He's in my top three Cleveland baseball players of all time Bright Gardner Who else is your top three Jason Kipness Another random name Jason Kipness Nick Swisher and then

Well you're just making up the top three right now You didn't have a top three No, no, no, no, no, you said earlier, like, he's in my top three. Jason Kipness, Nick Swisher, and then for another, like, personality, oh, why am I blanking on the name? He was the Red Sox, he was bald with the beard, and it was like the, not Nailer, because he's on our team now. The fuck was his name. He dated Alex Cooper. He dated Alex Cooper, and he was on the Red Sox, and then he came to the Guardians, or Indians.

I don't know who dated Alex Cooper. I only know CinderGard, obviously. That's not who you're referencing. saying. Shit, more than me. And we always, it was like, the party party. Oh, what is this name? Well.

I'm looking. I'll also go, like Frankie Lindorf. That's a hard one to pass up for my time. Also, Phil Dawson, really great kicker on the Browns. All right. We got another voicemail? Yeah. Mine are all like personality hires.

I love a personality hire in sports. A kicker. This is Bill in Fredericksburg, Virginia. My question is, What is something that you just possibly can't wrap your head around, even though it's been explained to you multiple times? So, for example, something for me is wind. No matter how many times I look it up or someone tells me, I just can't wrap my head around and win. So stay gorgeous.

Let me go out. Yeah, wind is a good one. I have a million of these. I'm dumb. I like wind. I would also say the very end of trading places. the movie with Dan Aykroyd and Eddie Murphy when they go into the stock market situation

and there's the concentrated orange juice future and then they bet against it to go down and up and down and up they leave something out in that in the end of that movie because it doesn't make sense the way that they're able to make money off everybody and then everyone else goes broke that will never make sense to me I'm sorry it's just it's a pet thing that I have

something that you've learned many times but you just don't you don't get you won't understand like his explanation or his his example was wind and I agree with that like wind is a good one mm Wi-Fi I was gonna say I thought of that also traffic that that that's a new thing on the internet people trying to put these graphics out that explain traffic just keep going I don't it doesn't make sense oh that's simple that's simple dumb people yeah but just keep going it's not but it's people who don't know how to drive getting to accidents texting while driving it's just it's a whole combination of that can you know something is going to if you know

like if you know you have to merge yeah think think in your head I'm going to have to allow somebody ahead of me and that's okay if everybody felt like that I'm not saying there would be no traffic but it'd go way smoother than it does now I was going to say I think merging is like maybe a 70% of traffic is caused by merging or construction. That forces you to merge. Also, planes. I think I've said that before. I have to block out of my mind how much I distrust planes.

Boats kind of same thing. You can kind of get planes, though, if you, like, throw this across the room. I understand that they work and very vaguely why they work, but I still don't. You're getting into a tube that somehow goes up into the sky and then it comes back down and I'm in Milwaukee. now, I don't, it doesn't make sense. That's why I feel about boats. How can you just put a 10 ton thing into the water and it's not going to say. Yeah, I'm

going on a cruise soon and I've been on cruises before but the more I think about it, I'm like, this shouldn't float. This doesn't make sense. The real reason why is because the ocean's actually not that deep. It's driving across the bottom of the ocean. I'm convinced. I think that there's tiny wheels on the bottom of every boat

and it just drives across the ocean floor and they're like, check it out, it's floating, this is wild. Then they take a bunch money from us but in reality you're just on like a giant car the ocean's fake you know what it's you know it's never made sense to me that i is a dumb person move on my part if i was on a school bus let's say i'm on a school bus and i'm standing on the school bus and the school bus is driving and i jump i'm still in the same place but the bus has moved but i don't move yeah you know what i mean relativity that's my bag relativity that's my bag i have thought about that so much of my life and

That's because I'll tell you why. Let me give you a brief explanation. There is nothing that is stable in this universe. Everything moves in accordance with everything else. So you're moving relative to everything else. It's mind-blowing shit. But like the buses, you were moving relative to that bus, but relative. It's like, so that's just book.

I'm going to get off on a gravity tangent. Let me stop. It's fascinating. All right. So what if Casey Anthony was sprinting down the street holding Kaylee Anthony in her arms? Uh-huh. And how fast are they going? She's running.

She looks pretty quick. I don't know. Big T. Looking at her body, how fast do you think she could move? She's probably, she's probably speedy. Is this she short? What do you think? Like a low 5-2, 5-40?

Yeah, that's probably fast. That'd be moving, though. That's fast for a normal person, yeah. Yeah, I think she's quick. So she's going 40 yards in 5.2 seconds. Casey Anthony was 5-2. Halfway through, she takes Kaylee and tosses Kaylee up into the air. And as she keeps running, does Kaylee land behind her, or does Kaylee travel with her and she catches Kaylee as she keeps running?

She lands behind her. Interesting. You still think she's innocent? Nobody ever said the word innocent. So wait, how come Kaylee doesn't travel because Casey's running? Win resistance. The force, no, the force applied to Kaylee is, is Casey. And so when she throws her up, the force applied, the only force being applied on her is the momentum from Casey's force and also the gravity of the earth.

So when less force is applied from Casey holding her, she loses momentum going forward, but not all the way because there was still force applied. Bang, physics, bitch. Sweet. Physics, bitch. All right. I don't understand. Anything else? Oh, something I read is that it turns out there's some people that don't think with a internal monologue.

Yeah, that's wild. Yeah, that's what's clip that. I've seen some people don't think. They think out loud? No, they don't have a. voice in their brain. And then there was another graphic that someone showed that like some people can't imagine stuff in their brain.

Like for example, if you were to imagine an apple, some people just like they don't imagine like a picture of an apple. They can only imagine. They can only imagine, uh, like the Apple logo because it's less realistic. Realistic. Yeah. Oh, weird. I just thought about an Apple so fast.

I'm really good at that one. just are like can most people do that i don't know but i can think like if you tell me to think about an object i can think about an object like perfectly photographically billy close your eyes okay think about boobs i just unlawfully short shared pornography into my brain i did i air dropped you that should be illegal i air dropped you boobs what if what if i said to think about something like very illegal. Can I get Billy's brain busting for child porn? Joe, that's fucked up.

That's fucked up. That's fucked up. That's fucked up. Well, I'm just curious. Now you just did that to all the listeners. You just airdrop them, that into their brains. I'm calling the cops. All right. Anyways, that's macro dosing. We love you guys. We will see you next week on nanodosing.

And we'll do some, a little cleanup on the Casey Anthony thing. And Casey does have, oh, Aaron and just complete the rubics um yeah we'll have a open invite case if you want to come on the show and discuss come on we should have put kb in a wig they look so similar when they did the side by side it was ridiculous yeah oh shit you know what fuck k k k k k b k c k c yeah yeah that's why put that together yeah that's why when i wrote last day d kevin duran is he somehow involved A, B, Antonio, come on, man. Where was Antonio, bro?

Yeah, where was he doing this whole situation? No, but Florida. What I was just realizing is, so we talked about getting KB on the show. KB's been under weather, and then he fell behind with a bunch of stuff so he couldn't do it today. But I also texted fights

because I had heard that fights was really into the KC. Anthony trial. Oh, shit, you know what? I texted him the other day, I said, I heard you're a Casey Anthony guy. Is that right? And then he replied, ha, ha, ha, in a sense, yes. And then I just forgot to write him back after that to invite him on the show. He's got to be like so creeped out.

Like, why did I send that text to him? My bad, my bad fights. I forgot to follow up with you on that one. But also, but also respect to fights for not like even like writing back and be like, why. even after three days he stood his ground I was like fuck him I am I don't care yeah he probably

I don't know he probably thought that it was like some social experiment that I was texting with well they've been talking about it on KFC radio like a lot recently that's my bad fights I'm texting back right now all right yeah it's probably clean that up

we'll see you guys on Monday for nanodosing and yeah if there's anything else you'd like to contribute to the show anything that we might have missed on Casey. Let us know. Love you guys.