Macrodosing: Arian Foster and PFT Commenter - Catfishing with Large and KB ft. Chapman and Maclain Way

Episode Date: August 9, 2022

On today's episode of Macrodosing, it's a packed show without PFT and Billy (out on Grit Week). Special guest hosts Large and KB help Arian and Big T run the ship talking everything from the history of catfishing to their own personal experiences. Also, an interview with Chapman and Maclain Way (02:23:22) to talk about their upcoming Manti Te'o documentary, 'The Girlfriend Who Didn’t Exist.' All of this and more on the show. Enjoy!You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/macrodosing

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So download the game time app. Go to account tab to create login and redeem code macro for $20 off your first purchase terms applied. Download game time for last minute tickets, lowest price guaranteed. Welcome back, everybody, to macro dosing, the only podcast on the internet. I am your main host because once again, PFT is off doing other things, less important than this. And we got some special guests in the studio today. we got most everybody here Billy's holding

holding PFT's pocket wherever he's at and so we got big T in the studio we got big T in the studio we got Avery we got mad dog and we got large is a return of guest and we got KB

KB KB thanks for having no doubt man no doubt so how's everybody doing man a little tapping how's everybody doing how's a very feeling? I feel fantastic I want to start first

I feel good, I look good You know what I mean? 50 years old and down like Maybe like 12 pounds Right? You're growing I'm starting Yeah

You were at the pop punk concert And you were way taller Than I remember you It was crazy how big I felt At that fucking concert Everybody was so small And so young And so PFT commented

Like even on Twitter Large was the easily The easiest Recognizable person In a crowd of 300 white people Like you know There wasn't like a lot a differentiation, like, and I just felt like I was fucking making eye contact with them all

time. So maybe I'm not that small. I'm big. Yeah, I went to a, uh, how was the, did you go to the concert, big team? I didn't go to that one, but I was going to say, I've been to concerts and venues like that where everybody's standing up and it's a small room. And like, I feel like I'm just like, I don't want to look at the person like in the eye because I know they're just like, they see me.

Like, even if you don't want to, right. I'm a head taller than everybody. So it's, I don't like those kind of. situations. I think the lights off the ball head show. True affliction for you guys. Yeah. I'm a suck. That ever happened to you gave me? Yeah. I'm trying to think of the when I go to like the NCAA wrestling tournament, that's the only time I feel like a above average height man. That's about it. What's the general opinion on Billy in this

podcast community? We like in the community or the podcast? No, this pot. This, uh, the macro dosing family uh billy's like um we all love him right we all love him but he's like um you got you got to keep him on a leash as pft always like to say he he he ventures off and you got to take him back sometimes his facts come from odd places so you got a you got to you got a check you marry down there but now he good people may everybody love well he got on stage and performed a song we saw that springs he did the snippet here and then that's what i guess that that was the audition and then PFT says sign him up so I guess he did it did it I saw a clip of that shit that's that's that's that's one of the definitions of two

americans I don't think I've ever heard that song before everybody was it was it born to run yeah yeah born to run who sings the original Bruce Springsteen yeah I'm sure I've heard some his song definitely have yeah for sure how you feel a big T you good man anything any news pop I am I am precisely fine I am exactly average. I am doing fine. Yeah. Just whelmed.

I've seen this video. I've seen this video. Some girl asked his dad. He's like, how are you feeling? He's like, how are you feeling? He's like, what do you mean, wellmed? He's like, just wellmed. He's like, you can't be wellmed.

You either overwhelmed or underwhelmed. He's like, no, you need to, you need a metric as to what you're right. No, I like that guy. Over or under. He's like, I'm wellmed. I'm perfectly fun. I like it. Big T is wellmed.

Well, I had a dope little weekend, man. I had, I entered a, a Valoran tournament, which is a game, if y'all ain't familiar, but it's a Valoran. So it's my first e-sports tournament. That shit was fun, man. Don't, do you have like a, like a name you go by that's not, don't they usually have, like, nicknames? X-Klan fire or something, like. Yeah, no, I mean, I wasn't in a class.

Just dude that just invited me. So you, like, you get a group of teams together and you just compete against other people in the country. and so we didn't have like no team name but my name was Beans that's my name on Valourn's Beans Yeah beans I don't know where it came from You ever seen Even Stevens

Not that kind of bean Not that kind of bean No No shit No what's even Stevens It's a two Americas thing You would have never seen that show But there's a kid on it named Beans

Stephen Anthony Lawrence He looks like he's named Beans What did you have to pay What is it for money this tournament Yeah, winter got like 2,000 bucks, but like it's, um, so you play against like, I don't know, it was like 40 or 50 teams or something like that. And we didn't make the cut. But they had some killers in the tournament though. Like so like we had one, you know, I probably don't notice, but there's a radiant. You call it a radiant. That's like if you're a radiant, like you're pro level. We had one guy like that on our team and the rest of us were just, I was the lowest level. But yeah, I played okay. But then we played against one team that had a fucking coach and shit. Like so there was like, it's real teams like yeah it's a little much yeah it's super fucking nerdy but it was fun i had the whole fan there and shit eating my hot dogs and shit was fun as hell man but um oh this was it wasn't at your home you had to go do a tournament no it was it was at a place it was at a place

oh shit that's official set up yeah did you have like jerseys nah i'm not that wasn't that into it like i would have wore it though if they'd had it hell yeah with beans on it that should have been lit they were fun as hell man be some good merch in the barstool store potentially That's facts That's facts Oh speaking of which We got some Go ahead plug that

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My girl already checked, man. Aaron, can I ask you a question? I used to do a radio show with Willie Colon. Big guys played for the Jets and the Steelers, one of the Super Bowl to Steelers. And I used to piss him off when they called these professional games. gamers athletes. Like I see, I think I'm looking at the thing that you're at. If it was the VCT last chance qualifier where shroud won.

Oh, with that, no, I don't like that. They're, they're pro gamers. I was just like on some low, you know, local tournament. You consider these kids athletes? Yeah. Oh, do you? I do. Yeah, I do. Um, I know a lot of people older cats take issue with that. I don't, but I and people that that take issue with it. I always ask, I'm like, what's your definition of athlete? And then you have to do, like, you have to do a physical activity. Usually is the answer to response. I'm like, well, hand out coordination is a physical activity.

And then they're like, well, what do you consider? Like, it just gets into a very nuanced subjective conversation, but it's, they're athletes. They're performing something at a very high level that not many people can do. It takes time. It takes skill. Like baseball, like baseball or golf, right? It's not, like the physical exertion is not strenuous. but it's very tactical.

It's very detail-oriented. And you have to stay on that shit or else you're not very good at it. And I view e-sports the same way. And when you look at something like, I think it's League of Legends, I believe it is, that's like one of the most viewed events in the world. I'm talking about Super Bowls.

I'm talking about World Cups. It's like one of the most, I think it might have passed in Super Bowl, actually, but the most viewed events. So it's like, what's our metric? I say they are. I say they're athletes. Large, what's your take?

You know, I went, I've always thought that there were athletes. I've had a looser definition, but I thought maybe a guy who, you know, reached the highest level in the sport that he played, like Arian, and has sustained so many injuries, right, beat the shit out of your body to, you know, and especially with Willie, you ever walk down the stairs in front of him, it's like that scene in Indiana Jones where the ball's coming out of me, just know he's going to fall on you. So I just don't see that happening with these guys having sometimes. too much

mountain do. I went to go see professional darts in Madison Square Garden and I was blown away at the athleticism of guys who are built just like me

just that pendulum for three hours throwing darts and being pinpoint you know like hitting a triple 20 do you think that's more athletic than having to learn all the controls

and the I think so game and again I do believe that they're athletes I'm not shitting on them at all and I'm even on the oldest guy the world. I'm not shitting on them at all. But I think, you know, there are degrees to this shit. And so, you know, just like you rank anything. So, um, DART players are better athletes

than professional gamers. That's my hot take. It's more of a skill. Yeah. Oh, oh, you, okay. I think gaming is more of a skill than's, okay. Additional sports, but it's not a sport. Well, when you say, see what, like, that's when you get into the new eyes conversation, like, when you say athletes, like they're better athletes. Like, it's hard. Like, it's hard. that's hard to gauge right so like if you was to ask like what's a better athlete like a point guard or an NFL cornerback right like that way you can gauge different skill sets and these skillsets are very specific so it's like hard to gauge like I would just say they they're skilled in their genre I'm not sure I would say they're better athletes but they're skilled in their genre you

know I don't know though yeah it's a debate to be had semantics I think like a very good lumber jack is a better athlete than a lot of pro athletes i'll take it the lumberjack games are someone who can build a shed very well i mean that takes more i'd like using an axe right so so when i think an athlete i think of somebody who can do all things right look like a jim thorpe type like so you can play and do things at a very high level at different skill sets and so i wouldn't say lumberjacks are better athletes and pro athletes. Maybe some. Let me ask you something about Jim Thorpe.

So they just gave him back his Olympic medals. So he won the Olympic medals. Then they were taken away from him because he played minor league baseball. He was getting paid like $2 a game or $35 a week. So they took away his medals. A hundred years later, they gave it back to him. 60 years afterwards, they let him share it with the other guys. The guy who actually was his second place into the Cathlon didn't want to accept it

because he knew how much of a better athlete Thorpe was than him. You think that he should have gotten him back? It was the Native American community, which went nuts about it, you know, because he was the first Native American to ever win Olympic gold and he won pentathlon and decathlon. What do you think they made an exception for him and he shouldn't have? Because he did get paid to play. I don't know enough about them rules.

I don't see, unless his community is, like, lobbying for it, I don't see the point of getting dead people awards at all. I don't, I don't, that's... But also, taking shit away in the first place is, like, the dumbest thing we do in sports. Like, the NCAA, like, Louisville won the basketball national title on, like, 13 or whatever, and they're... Oh, we took it away. You didn't win there. Okay.

Oh, we didn't win. Like, it's not like people forget. Like, they won it. It's stupid. Every time they're like, we're vacating wins. Like, okay. But sometimes a medal, like, they take it off your neck. And if somebody, I want to go metal, they'll be like, oh, show it to me.

be like a can't i could take it away like that's something it does like reggie bush doesn't have his he right that he was he was actually on my podcast and i asked him about that he they didn't even take it like he gave he gave it back yeah and i was like i was like dog why did you give it to him he was like i just you know he was trying to portray that he he just didn't want any phone and i'm like but you won the shit like everybody knows he was the best player in the nation at that time like what is the like they had to come i told him to tell them they had to come to my house like come get it. Matter of fact, they tried to do some stupid shit like that would be. They called me. I think I've told the story before, but they called me. After I did the, there was this

documentary called School, The Price of Sports. And I said that I took money under the table, just like everybody did. But it was more prevalent back then that people admitted it or more not prevalent that people admitted it. So anyway, they called me and there was like, we're conducting an investigation for you taking an illegal benefit. I was like, do you? you want to comply. And I was like, nah, but good luck,

man. Was this, was this UT or the NCAA? This is the NCAA. UT don't give a fuck. But that's the thing though. It's like, what would they have taken?

They wouldn't even taking what wins for, like what does it mean? Yeah. Took the wins. Like, what does it mean you took his Hidesman? Like we, this is in 1930 where we had heard stories about Jim Thorpe.

Like, yo, there's film of Reggie Bush dog and folks. What is the point of taking their shit? It just didn't make any sense to me. Speaking of the NCAA, KB is the guy who had the take last week that we discussed, so I figured you might want to talk to him about that. Yeah, clear that shit up real quick because I want to hear from the horse's mouth.

Yeah, my take was that football, D1 football players don't deserve 85 scholarships, especially if other sports programs are getting significantly less. like baseball is 11. That's it. Yeah, when I originally presented it, it was, I wasn't, I'm not that passionate about it, but when you're on like a podcast or a show, you have to be in it. You have to have an extremist take. So I was a little, I presented myself as angry about it, but I'm not.

I just don't think like a third string football player should get a full ride to never compete when other starters are, aren't getting scholarships. But why? If you could give every athlete a scholarship, I'm a proponent of that. But why do you think? Why does a practice squad guy who's never going to see the field or make any money for his team? Why does he deserve a full ride if a starting shortstop doesn't get a scholarship? Uh, fusion. So I'm also a proponent of free cottage. So I don't think that we should. Yeah. But if you're going to like divvy them out. Under this free college for everybody. For everybody. Oh, you should get that pass quick. I'm dropping my kid off this Wednesday. Yeah. I love that shit to go through. I'm doing my best, man. Get loud. Get loud. Um, uh, but under our system, under our economic system, right? It's, it's, it's just a doggy dog world under our capitalistic economy.

I get it from a business standpoint. That's what it is. Yeah. I mean, that's what, and also, like, you grinded four years or however many years you played your sport in high school to earn that scholarship. And so you played well enough in somebody else's eyes to feel like they do add value to their team. Whether or not you add value the team is the gamble and the risk that the university takes. But they shouldn't take it away.

I think there's a lot of deserving scholarship. Scholarship athletes who go to Alabama to be a third stream because they'd rather do that than start at a mid-major. And now there's no parity in college football. Maybe, maybe, but also some people use sport scholarships as a conduit to further their education. So, like, one of my buddies who didn't play that well, didn't play a lot, is now a medical doctor. And so practicing, like he's doing his thing. And so he didn't play much, but he used his talent. So it's like, why I take that away?

I'd also say if you told schools instead of football gets 85, baseball gets 11.7, wrestling gets X, whatever. If you said all your scholarships are in a pool, and obviously you can't do this because of Title IX and all sorts of other things, but if you said you get 400 scholarships for all sports, whatever, football would actually get more than they're getting now. Football would probably have like 120. Based on what? football is the only sport football and men's basketball are the only sports that make money so those sports men's basketball pretty much already has the whole team on full scholarship but football would have the entire team on full scholarship but what is like someone who doesn't get on the field what is what is what money is he making or is it just to better the team as a whole yeah I mean you don't know when you're gonna need people and also coming out of high school then yeah then there would then it is then like that that's what I'm saying then by that logic then like a field

hockey player or a wrestler or a soccer player deserve zero. Yeah, now you're talking. I don't, I don't, I think a lot. Yes, what I'm saying. Any female athlete, right? I don't believe that. I'm saying if you told the schools, it sounds like football and basketball are the only sports that make money.

I mean, that's, that's true. So by that logic. And they don't make money at every school. It's not, right. It's not every school. Yeah. But does an elite practice squad create an elite first, String team also, you know what I mean?

It can. But also like there are plenty of four stars at Alabama who are on scholarship who have never played. That's what I'm saying. If you reduce those scholarships, that player will go to Troy or I don't know. The Citadel and. But now you're limiting that person's options. Now you have more what? Yeah, I guess.

I don't know. That person's options, yeah. I agree. I don't like the current system, but under the system, this is just a byproduct of it. It is what it is. It's a doggy dog. And so we have created things that make it a more evil and fair playing field, but that bubble's going burst sooner or later when you start talking about it. Because you said, well, if you treat it like a business, then yeah. Well, it is a business. We're just slowly coming around to it. It's kind of waking up to it. Now they're allowed to make money off their name. but you're still not paying them for what they what they're producing right it's it's just uh we're we're slow we're slow to it as as as usual man also i think nil is helping with a lot of that because you can while baseball has 11.7 scholarship schools that care about baseball enough can say

well you're not on scholarship but we'll take care of it right so i mean if you have you know a school that cares about is like an elite women soccer program and they want that program to do well they can do the same thing. Shout out to Marshall. Marshall, who? They won the men's soccer championship. Oh. Shout out to the Marshall Men's soccer. I was surprised. I was like, I didn't know

they had soccer stars. Pontington, West Virginia. Was that Conference USA? No, Marshall's in the Mac. No. Hell, no. What the fuck are you talking. They used to, I think they used to be. I don't shut the hell. Hold on, then they used to be? I don't think. I don't know.

They played Miami all the time. Yeah. I think they, maybe. Aryan, yeah. I'm vaguely remember them. They may have been. I could be wrong. All them shit's, uh, uh, they don't know.

Slightly on subject, slightly off subject. I saw this take a while ago. And we talked about it lightly on the spot, but I don't get y'all's perspective on it. Do you think that the WNBA should lower the rims? Yeah. I think they should do anything, like anything to make that shit more into it. They want to make the balls even smaller so everybody's palming in it. They want to lower the rims.

They want to put in just fucking slam ball courts. Treat it like a business, make it more entertaining to the consumer. It's not working right now. I mean, it's, you know, I'm not saying have them play Toplis from saying do something that's big. Yeah, no, I take them back. But you know what I'm saying? No, no, I mean, I'm selectively. They don't want me to do that.

There's a market for. What's crazy is there's a, I'm not an advocate for that, but there's, there is a league. I think it's like, it's a football league. It's a women's football league where they have them play on like extremely short dresses and shit like that, which is, it's wild, but it's still not going to be as entertaining. I just don't think women's basketball is all that entertaining. And I think it's the reason it's the athleticism difference. And I'm probably in the minority, well, maybe I'm not. I don't know.

Aaron, it's hard to verbalize this correctly. I know what you mean. Well, no, I mean, I don't really give a shit. Yeah. It's just not entertaining. Like, I would love for it to be. I have many friends who have played in WNBA, and they probably hate that take.

I don't know if they've heard it from me, but it's just not that entertaining. I think they got to do something. I think Laura in the rooms will be fire. Like, to see them dunking on each other. That would be dope, but it's just like, like you said, they already play with smaller balls. I think the three-point line is shorter.

They play less games. so there's already like to try to juxtapose it against the NBA it's just not you're already not doing it so why not take it to the step where people watch basketball for shit like that does that travel then to the collegiate game then like if the WMBA which is the top of the food chain for girl basketball players I mean I think that's safe to assume does college then drop it a foot too when do you think it has I mean it has to right it should be proportional to the average height like so take the average height of a male basketball player and do that to the rim of a, I don't know. Right. But the average women's basketball player is probably like six foot, five 11. I don't know. And the average bat men's is probably like six five, lower it six inches. What is, but do you, you Google in that?

I'm trying to find average WMBA high. Yeah, average player in the NBA is probably six four, six five. The average height of a WMBA player is around six feet tall. Wow. Yeah. Because is it at 10 feet right now for WMBA? Yeah So drop it six inches

But the balls are smaller But the balls are smaller I say drop it a foot Yeah you would think if you You made the ball smaller You'd also love the hoodlainer I don't know who is dunking in the WMA How many women?

I'm I believe There's only three or four total One of them is in prison Yeah One of them's in Russia Yeah Oh shit

Oh yeah she just got nine years on Yeah Oh yeah we didn't talk she'll be pumped when she gets out if it's a foot lower as of as of as of October 2nd 2020 there had been 27 dunks in the history of the WMBA okay and yeah lower that and what's even more dunkers dunks dunks total but imagine catching one imagine going to a game and see I know I saw a stat of I said I think Candace Parker had got a triple double shout out to Candace Parker that's my

but it was like the third of her career or something like that or the third total or something like that was something wild like where it was like the third total was just like I'm trying to be an advocate here man but it just is what it is like I went to my little daughter's basketball game bruh they can't play but that's just kids in general yeah that's tough No, dog. It's not because my son was that age. You know what I mean? I'm talking about five points total.

We're talking about five points. There was no ballers on that team. And I love my daughter, and death. She's just not very athletic. And she knows it. She's just out there because of friends is out there. But it's like, I don't know.

I think the standard in which we measure women's sports is just not the same. And it's also, I think, coaching is a different. Like, imagine coaching the little girls team. You coach them differently. Like, I do. I coach my boys in basketball, and my daughter's the youngest, and I coached during basketball, too, and the level of play is terrible at the same ages. I mean, there's

always those outliers, but it's rough to watch. It's rough to sit there and an hour later walk out and the school was 5'3. I just wonder, like, since, like, Tennessee is also an outlier, but, like, I remember when I was in college, the only way they got people to go see collegiate basketballs, the football team would do dunk contests at halftime. And that would bring it in. So it would be like, you know, Ricky Waters and Demetrius de Boas would all of a sudden be thrown it down. People would be like, yeah.

And then no one would be there for the second half. And you went to a big, you went to a big sports school. You went to Notre Dame. Yeah, yeah. But, I mean, you couldn't get people to go to girls basketball. At the time, we've gotten a lot better. Again, I'm very old, but we've gotten a lot better since then. And we've been competitive as opposed to Tennessee, which has been stettled, you know,

Yukon, Tennessee and all those programs. So I wonder, like Tennessee, Tennessee, the girls team would probably say no to dropping it afoot. I think the traditionalist powerhouse. Jack said that to Candace Parker on, I think it was like T&T or something like that. And she was like, nah, hell no, we're talking about. Like she was like hell of defensive and saying,

my daughter's going to be drop step jumping or dunking and yada, yada, yada. And I'm just like. But then they should also say, well, they shouldn't want to play with a smaller ball. Right. That's my thing. If it's all equal, then make everything. Also, I have to read this stat. Brittany Griner has 23 career dunks in the WMBA.

The rest of the WNBA. There's 27 total? The rest of the WMBA has accounted for three regular season dunks in the league's 25 seasons. I believe Candace Parker was one of them. She might have been the first. No, I thought of Shell Swoops. I'm sure there was somebody before her, but I know Candice. Parker did she did it Tennessee oh okay uh but yeah so it's all brittney grinder and three others that

was as of uh september of last year and you got to drop until she gets out of the clink at least give the other girl's chance right that's wow so real quick imagine her on the lower rim so she's in Russian prison for nine years for having a bait pin am i getting that right yeah but the whole thing is that like they If I'm not wrong, they're using her as a political pawn and then they're going to... Well, I know that, but they said it at nine years because they had to sentence her in order to trade her. Yeah, she's only in there as long as until we give them what they want. Yeah, until we give them like the merchant of death or whatever.

Well, they want more than that. Yeah. Like, that's so scary. Yeah. Also, that's so scared that that man is in America right now, even if he's in a maximum security. Not much longer. Yeah. I think Griner could escape.

If she tried? But she'd be so easy to spot. She could do it. I feel like Russian prison is probably tougher to escape than here. Now, we got to get her to escape. Now all I can think about in Russian prison is like stranger things and Hopper and stranger things, which no, no spoilers, Zarian. No spoilers, I just finished season three, though. Oh, shit.

Okay, so, okay. How'd you like three? That shit was lit. If you like three, you'll really like four. You'll love four. It gets a little, there's a, like, there's one part where. I don't know what this is for. It's been out for like three years.

It's been out for, where the, what the monster grabs the, the radio and goes, like, come on, like, she was kind of weak.

I don't know if you remember that part. Yeah. I just saw it last night. But it was, it was kind of lame. But other than that, it was, it was straight.

I enjoyed it, man. I enjoyed it. I cannot stand. Like with a passion. Mike. What? Mike is fucking annoying,

though. I don't hate that take. God, Mike is annoying, though. I've never. He's like, He reminds me of Jesse on Breaking Bad.

I didn't see Breaking Bad. Horrible. Horrible character. Oh, my God. He is kind of a little bit of a dick. He's like a 15-year-old dick. He's just a cry baby, though. It's just a little cry baby.

And even the way he talked to his mom, mom would try to give him break. She goes to work every single day. She knocks on your door and says she made you breakfast. Mom, not right now. Like, shut your little ass up, man. Come eat to breakfast. I can't stand that little kid, man. Shout out to him, though.

You're definitely not going to like him in season four then. He doesn't get any more likable. TV shows love breakfast. They love showing breakfast scenes. And the kid, no one ever eats the breakfast. They're always in a rush. They take one bite and leave. It's a great observation.

It is. Fucking Brett, what's up? Yeah. That's true. Why don't fuck do we hate breakfast? You guys agree? That wasn't good observations. The scholarship takers is trash, but the breakfast thing is not on.

If you guys get a chance, check out the black dolphin prison. Don't go to it. There's a black dolphin prison in Russia. I did a twisted history of prisons once. And one Russian inmate had carved a black dolphin, like a statue of it. So they put it out in front of this prison. But it's the most ruthless prison in all of Russia. Like when they take you from your cell to anywhere, they put your head below your waist

and your arms above your hands above your shoulders so you're naturally cocked over so you can't see from side to side or they put bag like there is no chance of escaping because you never have any kind of idea of what's around you and it's only people there or only people who are serving like life in prison it's the lowest of the low.

You wind up in the black dolphin in fucking Russia. It's not northern Russia. It's somehow amazingly it's like southwestern Russia. I read about some of the sons of bitches that are there like all those guys with the epaulete. tattoos. Is that like the Caucasus mountains or? I don't know. Oh, that's you with you fucking, when you know something from a picture, right? That,

that geography shit. No, it's, um, but it's yeah, so the black dolphin, it's, it's, it's bad. I'm watching a video of this place right now. They do not fuck around. They don't. It's still operating. Oh, 100%. Yeah. Have you seen the Madagascar prisons? No. They're like the worst conditions in the world. Oh, oh, with overcrowding yourself. There's something on YouTube. Yeah. They're treated like worse than slaves. Yeah. Twist History of Prisons was a fire episode too because they have the strings that go across and you sleep over ropes

you know what I mean because there's not enough room for people to lay downs and shit like that so yeah so yeah this one that still has 700 criminals in it including child molesters murderers terrorists cannibals and serial killers and Brittany Griner she just showed up yeah in Grinning

she's in blacked over I was like no holy shit I'm like Jesus is she she's not in like Mac security prison though, right? Okay. You never know, right? Also, I don't know like the difference in max security in Russia versus here because like I've

seen the pictures of her and she she looks, I mean, obviously like it's off, but like it's not like she's like in the gulags in my mind, but I don't know how Russian prison work. Is Russia technically? They shut down the gulags, right? Yeah, so there's no more. I don't even know where she is. I don't know. I don't know.

The gulogs are what are what are gulags? I only heard of that. because they're called a duty so gulags were made popular i believe lenin but then stalin really bumped them up where you use your prisoners as workers right and so they were they turned their prisons into work camps and they basically were working people to death so that was the gulag so you not only were doing time you were doing some hard time you know like being you know mining and shit like that and then like to i would hate mining like there's some russian prisons up in siberia where people's feet are like

freezing to the floor and stuff we're going in a different direction i apologize i love that shit though you know i don't i don't love it i pay all my tickets on time you know what i mean i don't want to beat a riker as much less the fucking black dolphin are they letting griner like hoop in prison or she's getting reps in she getting shots off i'm being serious can you imagine like being the best basketball team in a russian women's prison and then brittney griner shows up and she's like i want to join the league there's no way russians can play organized basketball i think they even like I've seen a clip and it's just, it's just martial arts. Like, good topic.

If she gets out within the next six months, that's going to be a great career boost. Like, she's going to be over famous, dog. Like, you relatively knew what she was if you knew basketball? Oh, yeah. She'll get some endorsements. She's going to be Uber famous, dog. Like, I hate that it happens. Don't be wrong.

I think it's fucked up. But, like, that by your. NBA might be a good little play for her if she gets out. So would you go to Russia in prison for a year to boost your net worth by like 800%? Me? You're the wrong person to ask because you're already too rich. I got to see her daily schedule. Brittany Grinders not poor.

She makes 220 for the league. She makes like 600 playing in China for four months. That's why they all go to Russia. Russia was throwing her a bag also and then she's got the Nike deal. Brinney Griner's She's different When she gets out in six months Yeah

All that shit goes The price went up That's why they all go to Russia The first place Those oligarchs own Like the women's basketball teams And they pay them very well So to tease

Like does Sky Diggins all of a sudden Try to get a you know An ounce in next time Like try to You know Follow the same route I don't think it's worth it But I was just

I was just tossing the question out there You don't think so? Say you're on the cusp of million You got seven figures, but you can boost that to eight figures. It's been six months. Buddy, I'd go to Russia in prison to get to the first part, to get to I have seven figures. I'm with you. I obviously, you know, person, but I think, I mean, any, she could, she could clean up

off of this if, if she gets out soon. But, like, if it gets lost in the news cycle or the next, you know what I mean? If she stays two, three years, then I don't think she can capitalize off. I think there's a zero percent chance that happens. I think the big differences, though, like you and I are adorable. We get the shit raped out of us consistently in prison, so you got to, that's, there's a premium for that. KB's a little bit harder around the edges.

Arian looks like you take care of himself, right? I don't know about Avery. I could, I could, I could, I could, I could, I could, I could ward off. Well, you? Because I heard, I've heard some stories. I've had some, I've had some buddies in there and I've heard some other stories in there. Like, they have, they call them, they call them booty bandits. They, that's literally what they call them.

I'm dead ass. I believe that. Yeah, they call them booty banners. And so it's like gangs, like rape gangs. They'll be like six or seven dudes who are like, yo, we want it. And you got to fight that shit off or. It's funny how you started by saying you're dead ass because I would be too. I had no fucking shot.

Yeah, right. Yeah. That's just, it's scary. I've heard so many stories like that, though, but like, there's this one. This is one, what's the documentary, man? When this dude was talking and he was like, they like convince themselves they're not gay, right? They're like, I ain't gay.

I just like booty. Oh, dude said, dude said, booty is more important than water in here. And I was like, yo. Jesus. I'm following all laws. I ain't never. Inside the big house, inside the big house was that one. I think I had seen it too.

Was it? Don't, because they get a guy. who looks dangerous and he's washing dishes so he's all steamy that was like is there sex in prison he looked right in the camera

he's like some of the best sex I ever had was in prison I was like honey where's those fucking parking tickets get us up to date stop that's where they did the toss

salad thing he's like I'll take a little jelly from the commissary and I'll put it my asshole and they were like well why do you do that do you do it you know

for the other person he's like you know when you're eating jelly you could pretend it's something else but when you're eating my ass you know you're eating my ass or something like that

and I was like Jesus Christ that's it I would still know it was the ass exactly I wouldn't be able to picture it yeah I mean a cookie There's just no way I don't There's just no way

I think Britney's having any easier time Yeah I would believe so I would to jail one time and I had to stay overnight and it wasn't a hold of it so was like actually a cell.

And it was just the weirdest experience I've ever ever since then I was like, I'm never like, I'm gonna do everything. Did you have a cellmate? No, I was in a solo, luckily. But yeah, it was, it was just so weird. And the prison guards and stuff, like they knew who I was.

And so like they were peeking in the window and shit. It was weird, man. I was like, yeah, this is the most degrading, humiliating thing. I'm following the loss. Like, even if I disagree with them. You were scared straight. Hell yeah.

That place is not. Not it, man. When was this? This was in college. Oh. I was like, I was like 19. How is the Knox County Jail? I don't have anything to compare it to, and I'm glad for that. Fuck that place, man.

Fuck all those places. I'm straight. That shit is not. Uh-uh. I don't think I would fare well in prison. Just going to put that one out there. I don't think I'd do well. Yeah, Maddie, you'd be holding laundry, Maddie. Dude, I don't know what I would have to do. I would have to become a bitch, wouldn't I? Have you ever had any infractions, Maddie?

No, one time I got, freshman year of college, you got busted drinking in my dorm room. That's it. Okay. But, I mean, all that resulted in was me having to go to a class about how drinking is bad. Aaron, I have a question. If number eight Tennessee had not lost 28, 24 to number 13 L.

hours earlier giving Florida the SEC East would you've gotten arrested yeah still yeah we wasn't partying mad we was chilling my whole family was in town my brother my say everybody was there it was it was at a club out east was it East was good fellas I think it was goodfellas ESPN says it was yeah yeah it was good fellas and it was just it was a braw broke out And it was just one of them things, like, you know, you get to swinging and stuff happen. You don't strike me, you don't strike me as like an aggressive person, though. Shit. Maddie, I have grown.

Yeah, I guess you are like a fully grown adult. I have, yeah, I'm grown. I used to be, I used to be an asshole. Like, I used to be angry. I was angry, man. I grew up in a project. I grew up no money. I grew up very angry.

Are you from New Mexico? Yeah. Albuquerque, New Mexico. Yeah. Nice. So when you grow up in those environments, it's just like, you just have a chip on your show. You think everybody's out to get you. And I don't know.

A lot of times they are. And so you build up this. It took a lot of therapy and a lot of unpacking my baggage and my emotional trauma to get to the place where Maddie says, I don't view you as an aggressive person. I love that. Well, I don't. You should write a memoir. I bet you get a bag of that

Maybe Did you read Jamarcus's Like article blog? I didn't read it But I saw him on The Pivot Or he was vaguely explaining The same shit

Yeah was interesting He's capping Oh that's what Yeah A lot of that's excuses He was he was talking about Hold on sweetie He was talking about

He used a lean for pain medicine Yeah You made it seem like it was, like, medicinal desperation. Ain't no fucking a way. Hold on. Here, here, she wants to talk. Hold on. Okay, hold on, one second.

I have to. I don't have to. I am babysitting Kate's kid later tonight. Oh, nice. Really? Yeah. Well, so she tweeted this morning that she needed someone in the office that was going to be here from 630 to 7.30 to watch cash. And I was like, okay, well, we record these.

And then I'm usually here pretty late clipping and getting everything ready. And I DMD her. I was like, hey, I'll watch Cash. And she was like, oh, my God, are you kidding? And I was like, no. Also, her baby, if anyone's seen her baby, is the cutest baby of all time. And she was like, yeah, Pat has to record Hard Factor. And they have, I guess, the ZBT, like, late interview.

And I was like, I'll watch your baby. And so she's bringing him to the office. And I'm going to like. Oh, in the office. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I'm not going to, like, New Jersey babysit. But she was like, oh, you just needs to be here and, like, run around.

And I was like, look, I hate kids and I don't want to have kids. That baby, like, I would do anything for that baby. He's a good kid, too. Oh, my God. Party with him. Party with him. But my son was watching for a little off. Yeah, he drinks a little bit.

Yeah. He is the cutest baby of all time. When we were at the area, and we had, when Barstow was in the Pride parade and all of us were at the office before. and Kate was on, Kate's been on this and KB used to work with children. So I remember KB was just trying to play peek-a-boo with cash and he wouldn't play back. He wasn't crying. So that was good.

That's true. He didn't cry at all at the pride parade, which means he's not homophobic. He's an ally. And he's, and it was hot and rowdy. Like, so he's a good baby. Yeah. No, he's. And you should want to have kids.

No. You have a maternal charm. I'm with you. I'm with you, Maddie. I got four. And I second guess my decisions a lot. No, your kids are cute too, Aaron. I just...

I love them. I love them. But like, if I had to do it again, I'd have waited. I don't wait it. It's like now. There is no part of me that seems like a desirable... How old are you? 23.

You should have a kid today. No. You should. Like, I'm going the opposite way. Because like one kid and you'll be 40 and the kid will be going in. college and all the rest of the people because you're going to have kids your lovable person all that shit everybody else can be like my age when your kids are going to college and you're going to be fucking young and no my bestball intact my parents are your age and i know they are it

it fucking hurts me every time you say no but they had i mean i think they're like she says it all time it never comes up in conversation with everybody else every fucking time because you're their exact age and like my parents my parents got my parents got engaged when they were my age and which I think is like basically child bride and um they got they had me at 26 so like if my like that would be like my parents being big T's age and like having a baby like that's so terrifying to me um so not not big T but just that age like big T and I are like pretty much the same age like that's so terrifying so um I think I'm just going to hold out as long as I can on that one and like hopefully maybe like

my like my clock will run out and I'm just like oh sorry you know what you realize when you have kids nobody knows what the fuck they're doing everybody's just guessing man it's fucking hilarious and then like you you go see other babies and like this the funniest part is like you have a baby large like you can attest to this you'll have a baby and like you get used to that baby's cries like you understand the cries this cry means hungry this crime means diaper change and you understand and then you go and visit another baby and you're like what the fuck is that sound And it's like the baby cry is the weirdest cry in the world. You start judging other babies, start judging other kids.

It just gets toxic, man. If you do a good job, it's like you're the first person ever have one too. And you talk to people and you start giving them advice. Like, I don't give people advice that if I can change their oil. But every now and again, I'll give them advice on parenting. I have no business doing it. You know what I mean? My kids are pretty good.

That was my job. You get to be fucking. I was just be like, did you try bringing the iPad into the bathroom? And they were like, oh, I will try that. And I was like, all right, my job is done. Yeah. Yeah. I was just using basic logic to try to help them.

Like my kids were, or my parents were done having kids at KV's age. That's so scary. And I mean, they weren't smart. Yeah, but they're retiring early. Like I had a guy, we used to call him dumb. Yeah, another chilling. Dumb Johnny dropped out of school. I tutor him and get his GED started in the fucking sanitation.

He got out after 25 years. he's 45 retired and he had his kids early the kids are out of college and he's a young man do you know what I mean like he's gonna but I mean he was fucked

from 18 to you know 27 or something like that but now he's sitting pretty dumb Johnny I'm also poor I don't get how people have babies and like you make as much as me

like I don't sometimes I don't go to grocery stores for a week I was just talking about that how do people have triplets like triplets triplets are always like they're always well kept and preppy looking they should all be disgusting and bedraggled

or i think all triplets all triplets should become athletes so your parents don't have to pay for college bringing you back like how do you pay for three kids to go to college at the same time yeah it's disgusting it's so scary to think about i don't think i'm responsible enough for that kind of triplets are i mean it's everybody's nightmare and then and then imagine you're me you got to carry it well like aryan is i only have three he has four yeah imagine if he convinced his wife Listen, I know you want to say you stop at three But let's do four I really want to have four kids

Then he puts it in there and it winds up It's fucking three more kids He went three to six He did a double I'd fucking cut his throat in the middle of the night We gotta get the embryos and labs We gotta let sign it Yeah you know

Regulating child Like birth I don't go Where are you going? I know you have a take on like You know Population and childbirth Do I?

Do you? What do you think? There's too many, too little. Some parents should. Some parents shouldn't. Billy thinks that we don't have a dangerous line. All right. Yeah, that's, Billy definitely has that thing.

Billy, Billy thinks that he's the Elon Musk that we, we don't have enough people. We need more people. Oh, he's more people. Mm-hmm. There's more people. Where do you put him? You find a way. Oh, God.

They don't care about that part. I don't want anything inside me like growing that's still that shit is like yo like it happens all the time but I don't think we really think about like there's other humans growing aside of you

yeah you guys don't have to think about it wild bro no I'm miracle hey I'm always saying look whoever invented the human body I got the women got the short end of the stick for sure like y'all got periods y'all got babies

y'all got hormones different that would be tough yeah none of you have to think about being pregnant that is something that goes through my head I just got a fucking kidney stone so I know yeah you actually do know what I'm yeah you know you got gout and kidney stones simultaneously that's

oh fuck out of you with the arm right that's Kenello Alvarez it's fucking hematoma you know well what happened to your arm bro I went so I sparred with Kenello we're doing uh Kenello triple G your boxing guy Aaron? I've watched Okay yeah Canelo Albrez fighting

Triple G for the third time in September So I covered with him Yeah I cover boxing for these guys So I went in there and I did a round Where it was just defense I was just getting to tag him In the second round I ramped it up I had to say uncle A minute and a half into the second round

And so I told him not I was just out of hospital with the kidney So I was like stay away from the kidney So he just went up my arms and chest And he beat the balls off me Yeah This is what it is That's insane.

You realize how different the hand speed is, though. It's ridiculous when you go to, I'm left-handed in Southpaw. It's ridiculous when you go to throw a left hand. And before you even throw it, your target's no longer there. So it just winds up like, you just keep stopping. I guess stepping in against a guy throwing a fastball, major league pitcher, would be the easiest thing to humble people. And I don't know how it would happen against a professional football player,

how you guys humble people necessarily. But boxers, when you put. put on head year and i fought in college but you put on head year and you um and you go in against them it's it's glaring just what another level that they're on you know you know that's like when two guys have equal talent it kind of creates like a boring product especially when they're more defensive what do you think boxing needs that like wmba needs like in the same vein as them using lower rims there there's enough mismatches but the easiest way to make boxing more uh palatable would be to cut down on the size of the gloves

Really? You know what I mean? Like, I was headgear and training gloves, you know, so the extra pads and stuff like that. But more knockouts, which obviously is more dangerous to the boxers and whatnot. So, yeah, that would be the easiest thing. I don't think it's broken. There's enough mismatches and stuff. Wrestling too.

No, wrestling is so boring, especially when you get to a higher level. Parity, yeah. Defensive and then. They cut the wrestling program. My last year boxing in college, so all the wrestlers came over and fought. So I used to fight against wrestlers. Yeah, Notre Dame did have it. team yeah and then they cut so i was six five two 18 fighting wrestlers who were like

two 18 but like five 90s fucking oh pugnacious little motherfuckers yeah yeah yeah did you do the noterdame thing like the charity one banglbats yeah yeah that's why i started but they have this thing where you you you uh there's this a small village in bangladesh and that one boxing tournament supports the village for the whole year so i signed up because i was on the impression i was going to get to fight starving bengel kits. And you're like, I have this in the fucking bag. I was going to knock the flies right off their eyes. But then I wound up having to fight other kids.

It was a fucking nightmare. Oh, you went to a boxing event in Bangladesh and compete? No, no, we, so Notre Dame has it in at campus every year. And then we send the check over and it keeps them alive for another year, essentially. Oh, it's just a chair. Because otherwise they would take, like they took out second semester senior football players who used to just get out there and throw it. So they took that out. They want to, you know, just kind of get rid of it.

But this town relies on us. So it's been around for. Speaking to a lot of people, Bangladesh has like the sixth largest in the world. Population, really? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, no, a kid where I went to high school. What's it called?

Bangalbats, yeah. And he did it. He was smaller than KB. No. Damn. Right? I'm older than you're small. That doesn't need to be.

I'm old. So he was, he just, Maddie with those shots at you. That's just a, that just a big. She would have said he's a guy. And Big T. is an unfit parent currently? No. Did you say that? No.

Did I miss that? No. She said, my parents were Big T's age when they had me and that's scary. I said it because Big T and are a very similar age. And why wouldn't you say your age? Because they weren't my age. But if you said it's similar age. Well, they were my age when they got engaged, which is also scary.

That's a child ride. That's illegal. Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't necessarily want a child right now. No. But, no, he was so small. And he did bangle bouts and gained like 30 pounds, like beefed up for it and like one every year. Oh, did he? Yeah.

But that like I think the issue of boxing right now is it's like wrestling like like W, WF or whatever the X. I never watched that shit. But like it's it's predicated off of personalities. You know what I mean? And so it's like those draw the fights. And so like Mayweather was like the last interest, real interest I had in boxing because I wasn't like I'm like I'm not a boxing purist. Like, you know, I watched it growing up. All the homies used to come over.

And so, like, now it's, that's what it's pretty. And I think, correct me if I'm wrong, Lars. But it started with Muhammad Ali was probably like the first character, like, where he kind of, like, developed a persona for that and to sell his fights. And I think after that, that became the template. And it just gets, it gets kind of corny because it's, like, forced. And I could have worked off the wrong premise. No, no, you're right. I mean, Muhammad Ali was arguably most charismatic man since Jesus Christ.

and then all of a sudden he becomes a boxer and everyone either falls in love with them or hates him. You know, you say that you were a Mayweather fan. Floyd Mayweather is probably one of the most boring fucking boxers ever. But if you watch the 24-7s before his fight, HBO used to do those 24-7s, they were awesome. You know what I mean?

When you mean boring boxer, you mean his style? Wasn't a huge knockout guy? He fought off his back foot with his shoulder up like the great defensive boxer barely got hit. I'm a purist, so I enjoy it. I was saying I fight with people all the time online any time he used to fight because to me that shit was it was poetry. That shit was beautiful. Like I loved it.

Like defensive boxing is beautiful. And his hand speed, I would put his hand speed up there with any of the top hand speed boxes of all time. Like he had some. Well, then you're closer to a purist than you think. Yeah. Because I love watching Floyd Mayweather because I love watching the art of boxing. And I love watching the guy not get touched, particularly in prison. Okay.

So what do you think about? So when you think about like a Tyson Fury or like, or like, so like nowadays, um, like the heavyweight scene, I don't feel like the technique is there like it was when I was growing up. Like when you watch Tyson or when you watched Evander or when you watched like those kind of guy. I feel like the technique was more solid back then. Am I, am I off on that? You watch, I'll tell you, one of the one of the most generational best fighters alive right now is a guy named Terrence Crawford, you know, from Nebraska. and whatnot, Terrence Crawford is boring shit. Like, it's tough for him to fill out. You know, that's why Jake Paul sells more tickets than Terrence Crawford. And Jake Paul is an absolute fucking joke who's very good for boxing because he's bringing along Amanda Serrano and stuff like that.

But from a technical standpoint where boxing is versus where it was, let's call it 20 years ago, no, it's still there. There's technically sound boxers even more so than there were back in the day as the athleticism gets better with technology and whatnot. Tyson Fury is a fat fuck, but he's also six foot nine, and he's an excellent, excellent heavyweight boxer. And Lennox Lewis could have been a fat fuck and still have been as successful. I think Lennox is one of the best heavyweight boxers has ever lived.

But it's peaks and valleys. Muhammad Ali, nobody gave a shit about Larry Holmes. Mike Tyson, nobody gave a shit about who was after Mike Tyson. And I think boxing's on the come now. So, and remember, Mexico, Canada, England, Ireland Those places are still enamored with it You know what I mean?

So you get Canelo Alvarez versus Triple G You have a Russian versus a Mexican I mean it's selling a lot of fucking tickets You know So even though the United States is a little skewed Because of UFC Right? UFC is taking market share

Latin America Yeah they still go bananas for it But yeah I should get you to a fight You should come to a fight Aaron I loved it when I went to the I'm retired Oh shit

shit. I would tell you right now, I took this motherfucker to a fight. I took him to a Ryan Garcia, right? Ryan Garcia, Manuel Tago won in San Antonio, which is a terrible town. Oh, I'm sorry. People listen to this. Yeah, it was terrible. It sucks. My mom, my mom lives there. Don't she? God bless her. Yeah. But I was there was 1002 degrees. I always tell her. I'm like, I don't know the appeal. Like, because I bought her house and I was like, you'll pick where you want to live. And like they were going through cities. And she said San Antonio. I'm like, why San Antonio? I don't always never. Every time I go there, it's just like a desert. I don't understand it.

But, hey, man, she's happy. This guy I took to a way in, Aaron. That was my favorite part. And because he's a wrestler, and we had all this access to the fighters. I'm very close with Golden Boy and his own. He'd go up to the fighters as soon as they get off the fucking scale, professional fighters, not even I'm KB from Barcelona, just walk over to him. What are he going to do to rehydrate?

He was fascinated. Yeah, that's my, that's so fascinating to me. 135? What do you think you're going to be? 130 147 what are you going to do like he was so into the rehydration maybe more than the fights just the weight cut and then the posts like refueling it's incredible you see like patty the batty you see his you see how he looks like his like physical fluctuation is insane yeah it's not healthy i mean no it's not but it's impressive yeah but yeah so i think getting to a fight

would be a lot of fun yeah it was a blast um definitely i got super into like ufc and mama when I started training for Jiu-Jitsu, that shit is in the time. I used to think I could fight. Like, I used to think I could handle my own until you run into, like, real martial arts. Like, some of the martial arts are kind of like, eh. But, like, Jiu-Jitsu is one of the ones where it's like, oh, like, if you run up against somebody who know what they're doing, like, you could lose a limb, dog.

But, yeah, when you start, when you start, like, mincing all those martial arts together, you get the MMAs and stuff like that, that's that's where that's i think that's where the future of like fighting is and like boxing is like one element of it you know what i mean so i i'm like i'm like a super fan but like i've caught some on you know on my on my come up and and in doing jiu jitza would get you more interested in other martial arts and stuff like that but i don't know man i feel like oh go give you is that adrian broner who is he the character yeah yeah i've seen some clips of him and he showed up 45 minutes for a zoom interview with me and he was in his underwear

They're sipping champagne in bed. I was like, isn't this fight week? Brona doesn't give a shit. So he's back. And they gave him his press conference on Zoom. He's like, I'm fucking out of here. Like he wants more promotion. He was very good when he was, he was compared to Floyd Mayweather for a long time, Adrian.

And, you know, he just doesn't have, you know, Floyd is, again, a generational fighter, 50 and out, right? Yeah. That's insane. So do you think, do you think that Jake Paul and stuff? So you think that actually is good for bucks? well so amanda serrano is a millionaire now my son who's 18 when he watched one of the jake paul fights he said dad when this guy french montana is fighting again can you make sure i know and he's never asked me to watch boxing and french is a real fighter who's on the and since

has been picked up by de zone and is doing pretty well and whatnot he's french montana i think it's french montana he carries the rapper no no no oh so it's um montana love excuse me montana love I was like, but which is another, another great name, Montana Love for a fucking boxer and he carries a white French bulldog in.

That's why I got French Montana. And then whenever he's fighting a Mexican fighter, he always wears a sombrero like Floyd used to do because Floyd Mayweather's uncle was called the Mexican killer and he used to wear a serap and shit in. So yeah, Montana love. But my son is like,

and that's opening up real boxing on top. It's frustrating boxing purists again, but I don't care. It's just like when there's more. eyes on people like Amanda Montana. There's this kid Joe Ward that was supposed to be fighting on this last undercard, a light heavyweight. I was looking forward to seeing Mighty Joe Ward. So, um, you know, as you get past that bullshit, the Jake Paul stuff can be entertaining. Watching your kid knock somebody out is entertaining, even if it's a washed up UFC guy or an ex-Nick,

it's still nice to see them hit the deck, you know? Right. So I don't mind it. I would think that's the future of fighting, honestly, just entertainers going after it. Like you said, yeah, it's more personality-based and skill-based as far as entertainment. I think, yeah, I think, like, the fights is always going to be the fights, like, the real boxers, but, like, as far as, like, draws and stuff, like, you'll have entertainers on the card, you know, to bring other cats. I think, I really think that's the future. Well, let me ask you, Aaron, would you rather watch Tyson Fury, one of heavyweight

champions of the world, fight the winner of Anthony Joshua's Alexander Usik to unify the heavyweight division or would you rather pay the same money in pay-per-view to watch Tyson Fury fight Francis Nagano the big guy from USA people like bam I want to go see him fight Nagano Nagano's a fucking beast and stuff but Nugano's got to wear gloves he can't use his feed all that kind of stuff and Nagano will get washed like I know he will get but I you know as a purist I want to watch the first but everybody else wants to watch Nagano and he can make $30 million finding a guy who's not a boxer but who looks like a fucking superhero It's an easy money for Tyson Fury.

They should do two fights where you enter each other's worlds. I've always wanted that to happen. Like where an MMA guy just boxes and then a boxing guy just does MMA. Like that, that would be fire. That would be like that shit. Mayweather's the only one who really, excuse me, McGregor, who's a guy who does it, comes over, boxes. By the way, this circus shit's not new.

Muhammad Ali, who you mentioned, went over and fought, you know, Hioki, the guy. It's a giant guy. Yeah. Seven foot something. No, no, no. He fought Steve Ioki from Lincoln Park. He fought Inoki.

He was jujitsu, wasn't it? Jiu-Jitsu. And the guy went, so it's over. And this closed circuit undercard was Andre to Giant fighting Chuck Weppner in Madison Square Garden. And the Bayonne Bleeder, the guy Rockies based off of Chuck Weppner. He's fighting Andre the Giant. Chuck Weppner also fought a fucking bear once.

And Al-Lees in Japan with Inoki on his back in a gie. On his back the whole time. Just heel kicking him the whole time. You know, so these circus shits So what's stopping boxing from doing These like gimmick matches Like these Logan called fucking Fucking maybe one that goes to the to the roof of a

You know, Abu Dhabi goes to the roof of some hotel And fights tension A fucking dude for $30 million. So. No, I remember that. Yeah. So if you're a big enough name, like, you know, And you have some familiarity.

Strike while the iron's hot. Fucking do it. I'm with that. Totally with that, man. So, Anybody else have anything in a current event before we hop into today's topic, man? Anything we want to talk about? There was something, there was something about the IRS that popped off today.

Did anybody see that? I saw it yesterday. What is they talking about? I think it was just people saying like, oh, Biden wants to hire 87,000 IRS agents. Is that what it is? Do we know why? I don't know. He's raising taxes on everybody.

I guess you're going to have somebody to enforce. actually not big tea cut the games man no that's true no it's not i sent you the the official like white house document you did but as always there's always some things in there that they don't read through all the way and people from your side of the aisle assert certain things that aren't true it happens a lot of time they're not raising those texts what was not true about it i don't have to pull that shit up man okay hold on i'm gonna go the bathroom real quick i'm i think i can sit this one out go for it so there They're adding 87,000 IRS enforcement agents to come after your tax returns.

That's terrifying. I'm sure they're only doing that for the 30 billionaires that live in this country. To come after who's tax returns, just everybody in general? I don't know where it's going to be targeted, but the guys who have $30 million dollars usually have a bulletproof tax return for the most part it's assholes like me i shouldn't say this on things i'll be put on the list you're the kind of cut corners that's probably what i would assume they're going to make their wood with a middle to upper middle class more so than they will from the big boys don't you i do think that yeah so i think yeah

perhaps out of everyone here i'm the most fucked about what irs if the irs say that if the irs I put 87,000 because I think the way that I, you know, particularly people who do their own taxes and have those small little loopholes that they think they're getting away with, as opposed to the Uber Rich who have their taxes done by people who know the tax law inside and out. Well, the guys, the former are probably more fucked than the latter. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. A fully truthful and accurate tax return is a bulletproof way to avoid an old. audit and I don't know if many people can say they have a fully truthful and accurate tax return let me let me get back to you on a big C because I'll have to mull it over but um

I think it was they're not raising anything over 400,000 or something like that that was what they claimed yeah but now that but they're now that their now that their plan has gone into action it's actually it's like 50 there's no way. I'll look at it. I'll reserve my judgment totally. Anyway, what, that aside, that aside, can we, I'm genuinely curious, because I think you and I would agree on this, but I don't know. If we're spending tens of billions of dollars to beef up the IRS and sending more billions to Ukraine while inflation is running rampant, can we, can we agree that that's probably a bad choice to make?

what is the bad choice just spending billions and billions of dollars on those two things particularly I'm not in the camp that the government spending money is

necessarily a bad thing like I'm not one of those the debt fear mongers so no okay I don't think you necessarily have to be that to agree with what I said, but.

Well, I don't know the reason against the why, like I said, I'll just bring it up. I don't know why they're putting all that money into the IRS. But that doesn't necessarily scare me because inflation is happening, you know. It doesn't scare me. I just think it's a bad idea and unnecessary. Yeah, I wouldn't know enough about what's going on. I have to look into the reasons as to why. What is your, before we get it to the top of the day, large, your take on taxes in general coming from Wall Street?

My tax, I don't enjoy paying them is one of the things. And so my pay was, I don't know how close it was through an athlete's pay, but so my pay was a small salary with a big bonus. That was the bulk of my thing. And it was done as almost a tax reasons for the company that was paying me. and then it fucked me as the guy who was getting paid. So they could have me on the, as on their books is making a couple hundred thousand dollars a year. But then they hit you with a bonus that's, you know, and so a lot of Wall Street guys around February, excuse, yeah, February, March when the bonus checks would come in because they never came in on Christmas, you know, call them Christmas bonuses, would then pay for everything for the rest of the year because they were relatively poor for, you know, compared to their lifestyle. So all nice things.

So the way my structure was set up And our bonuses were taxed even more heavily than our Our salaries So I used to feel that bite in the first quarter every year And it caused me so much animosity How do I fix taxes in this country Flat taxes and all that stuff? I don't really know to be honest with you

I've just been a willful participant in it Ever since I started working You know what I mean? Yeah Big T is not a willful participant Or are you What do you mean? but I'm willful.

It's required. He thinks taxation is theft. He thinks taxation is. But you're active, you're not just, I'm just going to pay my taxes. You're actively angry about it, like on a daily basis.

Yeah. Yeah. Every paycheck I get. Do you like look at that? I mean, I know what my paycheck would be. Yeah. And then I see what it is.

Got to let it go. Where are you on your, where are you? It's even, it's even biblical, big thing. Zekees. What do you mean?

Jesus mentioned taxes. He did. You got to pay taxes. He was a wee little man. He didn't mention it as like, I am in favor of taxes. He said, render unto Caesar. What is Caesar? Yes, saying, you have bigger fish to fry in this life than worrying about that, just do it.

And you will, you know, your reward is in heaven. Your concerns are not of this world. He was not saying, I love taxes. I didn't say he said he loved taxes. I was saying, yes, he did say, render unto Caesars, that's an interesting interpretation. Render to season, I interpreted it as like, if you're part of a collective society, it's a debt that you owe to society. I believe he was saying, because you're a part of it.

Do it. That's fine. Yeah, you have to do this, but that's not, you know, your concerns are of a far greater importance than that. so who cares. I think you should reread that passage, but I digress. Why? Because that's not what he was talking about. They asked them specifically about taxes.

He didn't say, don't worry about it. Your reward is in heaven. This is just something you have to do. He was addressing taxes. He was addressing if you're part of a collective, it's your debt to society. T. I'm enjoying this dynamic.

Big T is a libertarian. They are hilarious. I've never said that. Oh, Big T. What? You never said you're a libertarian? Not to the best of my recollection. I mean, somebody chime in here.

Mad dog. Avery, he's said this multiple times. I think you've mentioned by name that you are a libertarian. Because I'll call you a conservative. I've never said that. I know. I know I said I'll call you a conservative

and you'll say I'm a libertarian I'm your word I'm not a conservative which is also bullshit but whatever I've never said that either I know that's what I said you said I'm not a conservative

last week what are you I would say most of my views fall more in line further to the right than left but

I wouldn't call myself I wouldn't label myself anything okay yeah it's like an e-sports just just be that's comedy no you have

yeah I don't know enough about libertarians to chime into that one they don't know enough about libertarians that's the funny thing about libertarians

no no libertarian thinks another libertarian is a real libertarian it's the funniest it's the funniest have you seen that one last thing

and then we'll go to catfishing but the video of the guy saying like the libertarian presidential debate where they talk about like oh I need a driver's license like do I need a yeah that's a real thing

yeah because that's that's like the extent of like if you have if you're libertarian like you believe in freedom right that's like they don't believe in government oversight but they only believe in government oversight with the government oversight that they agree with which is why they don't think other libertarians are real libertarians like some people are like

no driver's license are pretty reasonable I would But they were like, no, that's government overreach. Like you have all the way, like anarchists, right? But then you have like soft libertarians. Like so like this big spectrum where nobody thinks that they're real libertarians. It's funny. It's actively funny. I think it's the same way with like most religions too.

Like I'm Catholic, but I don't think I need to go to church on Sunday. That's how yeah. You know what I mean? Actually, I do. But I don't. You know what I'm saying? Like I figured it all this doesn't really work for me. At what point, at what point am I not Catholic?

I think, yeah, when do they throw us out? I think I'm not. Like, when do you, like, get kicked out of the church after a while? I'm getting all my kids confirmed. I told them once they go through their confirmations, then they can make whatever decision they want, honestly. Yeah. And I did a thing on Suicid history of Satanism.

They make some good points. So I'm not, I'm not against anything. They do good work, actually. Yeah. I mean, menstruating for Satan. These satanic cult, you know, gives out, like, feminine products because they're still taxed in Texas. It's called men straight and foresee. They do do a lot of good stuff. And it's, and it's a different, it's not the lighting candles and killing sheep. No. There's two. There's,

so there is people who worship the devil for sure. But the Satanist group was created like in the 70s, 60, 70s to troll religious folks. And so all they do is like, so let's say somebody wants to put the 10 commandments on a government property. Let's say, well, if you do that, well, then you're going to have to put baffamette next to it because you know our religion as well and they did it yes it was awesome that's their whole they just want to hold to account the freedom from religion you know and the separation between government and and religion they want to hold that to account and also they do a lot of good works like the administrating for satan they do they do a lot of charity work they do a lot of like this stuff it's but it was basically set up like as a troll what they

it's just an organization where they do a lot of good shit but they accept science they accept science, you know, like the scientific advances trumple all our other stuff, you know what I mean? Like they're willing to change with the time per Satan. I'm a Satanist apparently.

But I'm wondering, you know, when I think you're officially thrown out of a Catholic church. Yeah, I don't think I'm proud. The extent of that I, no. I don't like fuck my neighbor's wife. Okay.

I'm trying to think what other. I mean, there's some Catholics and Christians. You probably follow a few commandments unintentionally. Yeah. Like you haven't, have you killed anyone?

I'm not I was never given the opportunity but I think I would would unite to your mom and dad oh yeah no I know the 10 commandments uh Eric can I read you just just real quick this this interpretation of the verse and Matthew you were talking about when Jesus said render to Caesars the things that are Caesars he was drawing a sharp distinction between time out time out time out time out time out what are you reading and where is it from this is this is the verse There's, there's, the verse is render unto Caesar, the things which are Caesar's, and unto God, what is God's? What I'm saying, there's maybe a thousand different sects of Christianity. So, like, whatever you're reading from is obviously an interpretation from them.

I want you to read it and then you get the interpretation from it. I told you what I think. Okay. So I'm reading you what someone else thinks when you, because you said that's wrong. I didn't say that was wrong. I said that's an interesting interpretation. He was drawing a sharp distinction between two kingdoms. there is a kingdom of this world and Caesar holds power over it, but there's another kingdom,

not of this world, and Jesus is king of that. Christians are part of both kingdoms, at least temporarily. Under Caesar, we have certain obligations that involve material things. Under Christ, we have other obligations that involve things eternal. If Caesar demands money, give it to him. It's only Mammon, which is Latin for like money. But make sure you also give God what he demands. I think that's part of a collective.

I think that's pretty similar to what I said. I think it's similar to what we both say. Okay. could work pay your sex pay fucking taxes which I do I do

I do pay taxes reluctantly yeah very not really well it's not yeah it's not very

I don't like it it's not real like I've never you're not taking up arms delay it yeah right and start I delay it yeah

nothing really happened I'd pay I did turbo tax like in June oh I do wait until April, yeah, but it's always by the deadline. You put your tax in in June? Yeah, it was really late.

Cool. Nothing really happened, no. Simple as that. Excellent. Sorry, my daughter keeps, her headphones keep coming off. She don't know how to fix it. But we're back, baby. Too many kids.

Yeah, there's way too many kids, man. Shit, see, she, I may be one more, but I don't know, man. They come with baby mom. And that's what's wrong. It's too many kids, but maybe you have one more. I say to my wife, the old time, let's have another one. She's like, you're 50. Well, yeah.

That might be pushing it, man. Oh, you're damn right. It's not, though. It's not? 50 to have a child. Think about a dog. When that baby graduating, you're going to be like 68. Shit.

College will be 70. I know, but it's not out of the law. It's bad to happen. I bought, that's facts. My boys wanted to be, but I've always wanted to be in. touch with like what my kids are into right like somewhat so that I'm not getting game because I know you ever grow up with like somebody who got like really really old parents like 60 70 they'd be gaming them you know what I'm saying they just be running all over them and they don't know what's

going on so I want to know what's going on just for their safety more than my interest my grandfather had his last kid when he was 73 father you go father the baby was 73 okay that's like on an island off the coast of Ireland there was nothing to do he was just straight really yes wow I'm regrets though for 73 still having to drive right that's what's up there good jeans right there all right you know what he died of exhaustion that that would kind of be whack because I've been really exhausted and I was like that that would suck to get that far to die if so what are you doing right now I'll tell my what were you doing just now

right now yeah i was looking at my phone why are you holding it like that i don't like looking down that for my neck and my posture got it thank you looks like you're sticking a selfie yeah that's i thought it yeah yeah man take a selfie though yeah i'm i've been i've been doing it just for my archives just like see like it's good to have how my face changes throughout time i've always wanted to do that like start start the year like january first take a selfie and just continue to take a selfie and then just do that a little fast time left yeah it's always cool i would always be i don't have i never i never i don't have the discipline the commitment yeah i'm doing that this year fuck that it just it takes like five seconds a

day you can do it yeah i'm doing it i'm gonna put a little separate folder in my photos all right i've just motivated myself i'm doing that shit i feel you've had the same face for like 25 years though i've aged well i ain't a lot yeah look at that shit look at my skin big teeth look at that shit It's good. It is. It's fine. Hey, Big T. Am I handsome, though?

Uh, yeah, you're fine. Fine. Hey, quote card that. With the inflection, with which it was said. He called me fine. I'm with you, Bigtie. Play the audio clip. Nah, we need the quote card.

We need out of context shit. Right, man. Let's move on to the topic of today's podcast, the hour in. catfish catfishing so for my understanding this is a relatively new thing if I'm wrong about that

somebody stopped me I think I think large 1700s there was his guy his name was his name was Cardinal de Rohan right this is a guy and he wanted to

he wasn't like a cardinal religious no no yes it was a it was a title not a religious title yeah he's a red bird He was in with Marie Antoinette and her posse. Then he got tossed out and he was desperate to get back in with like the aristocracy of France. This is pre-French Revolution where everyone had the powdered wigs, the big bustled dresses. It was it was that time.

So Cardinal de Rohan is out. He meets this woman and her name was Comtests de la Matae. comtesse de la motte is what it's pronounced i believe and she's a grifter she convinces him that she is tight with um marie antoinette who's the queen of france at time so she's so tight she says that she's going to get him back in good graces they start dating the cardinal and the comtesse and she says start writing letters to marie antoinette and i will send them to her when I have lunch with her. So he starts writing letters to her. Then she would go to lunch with this other guy that she was banging. And that guy would write letters back to the

cardinal as the queen. And that was the catfish. And pretty soon that guy wrote a letter back on behalf of the queen fake. I want this famous necklace. And she convinced the cardinal to then buy a necklace to give to Marie Antoinette. This guy goes, buys a necklace that has 650 diamonds and weighed almost 2,800 carrots. Be like $15 to $20 million in today's money. The Cardinal buys it on layaway, thinking that he's buying it on behalf of the queen and the queen will then make the payments, gives it to the comp test.

She heads for the hills with the guy that she's banging, goes to London and starts selling the individual diamonds. the fucking jeweler then hits up Marie Antoinette, the queen, when the payments don't start coming in, she investigates, she arrests the cardinal, the comtesse, the guy that she was banging, and the prostitute that posed as her because the cardinal needed to see that it was really, like she was really friends with them. So they found a prostitute that kind of looked like Marie Antoinette to like meet him one night to say hello.

Fucking crazy. Yeah. So the Cardinal was, I think he was, he was let go. But the Comtest, the one who was at the bottom of it, she was put in jail. She was given a brand, a V. Volaire for a French for thief. And she was sentenced to death. She wound up escaping from prison. But the fact that it became a huge story in France didn't help Marie Antoinette, who already had that aura about, hey, listen, the peasants have no more bread will let them eat cake like she had that whole thing going so the french peasants already hated her so much that they think that was one of the contributing factors that led to her you know during the french revolution um being sent to the guillotine having her head chopped off so that was the first official catfish it was like 1783 and it involved marie antoinette it wasn't called catfishing back then even though i put there any like romantic or sexual incentives here or was it just for one guy thinks he's talking to the

queen. Yeah, so he's banging the girl who says she knows the queen. What was her incentive? Did get the jewels? To get the jewels. And then she took the 650 diamonds to go sell them in London and she got turned back. Yeah. How whack are you to get caught catfishing back then? It sounds like this was pretty easy. Yeah. It should have been so easy. You just find somebody who believes you. Right. Yeah. So I think so people consider that the first instance of catfishing, even though there was, wasn't like Poisson de Chating or something like that back then, because it was something. posing as somebody else in what would be like a social media-esque type situation because that was the written letter at one point. You know what I mean? And then she obviously, it led to a beheading.

And that's crazy because you would have to spend so much time and energy to track these people down because it wasn't like today where you can identify people. You had to, that had to be your goal was to go get them motherfuckers. That's crazy. Yeah, it's a wild story. And then somebody must have to dime somebody out because to also arrest the prostitute, like somebody had to throw her under the bus. Easiest thing in the world. So this person came for his money to the queen. The queen said, who bought him?

Said the Cardinals, she's like, I let that guy out of my life a long time ago. They arrested the Cardinal and he dropped the dime on the comp test. Then they tracked down, I guess, the prostitute. And obviously the guy that she was banging. So I think, you know, once the queen says, listen, I'm looking for this necklace where it gets out to London, some guys like, oh, I bought a bunch of diamonds from that necklace. You know, like, you kind of figure out what's going on again in the 1780s. Meanwhile, there's storming the Bastille, the whole deal. Louis the 7th, I think she was married to Louis the 16th. He gets caught,

he gets killed, and she gets beheaded like six months later. It was a wild time to be alive during the French Revolution, a wild time to be a rich French person. Yeah, and it didn't help her, her rep, her street cred. No. It's catfish. So, so, so this. So, This was the first catfish, that's, that's, I didn't know that. That was, that was, that was enlightening. That was a twist of history. Subscribe to the YouTube page. Yeah.

Time, got you, I got you. Timeline wise though, before that, Aladdin. Aladdin was probably the first catfish, time wise. Time wise. What era was the Aladdin? I forget. Aladdin was before the 1700, wasn't it? I don't know.

But the story was stories told him the 90, so I'm talking bullshit. But, um, yeah, Aladdin wasn't the prince, comes to Princess Jasmine. Pretends he is. He fooled the whole, he fooled everybody. But then, you know, they called his bluff and she still wanted to rock wedding. But yeah. Move on too. Boulon is a catfish.

Well, not necessarily because her goal wasn't to get a girl or any riches. It was to like prove herself, right? yeah i guess i'm just thinking disney movies along along the same lines but yeah it was not a romantic how are we how are we defining catfish i think that's true it became an official term

when the catfish show MTV show when the guys released their original documentary in like 2010 and that's when yeah that's when the term came about so because tricking people so this was yeah it's like grifting but like

the the the documentary was like the ultimate catfisher this heavyset woman from michigan who kept like a year long relationship going she created a fake facebook profile and then several facebook profiles for her fake relatives and that was that that's that's elaborate she would only's was that it yeah so was that guy nev and so he thought he was uh communicating with a 19 year old girl 19 yeah okay so this is older woman they do they have phone conversations never like she her webcam was permanently broken and she didn't sound a thing like a 19 year old no she 40 year old house right right yeah and did they say what did she say why she did it I think she did

at the end but but it was to nav the dude that was that started that show yeah I think like you know anyone who wants to create a fake persona and like cosplay as someone like as a a hot young woman. I get the incentive, kind of. I got guble before. And I get the you got got got got got? Oh, no. When you say catfish, do you mean someone who just completely like didn't exist

or just like didn't look like they said they did? Didn't exist. Oh, well, that person existed because her pictures were real. But it was totally different. Yeah. Well, see, and so I mean, this was early on when catfish

wasn't really known, but, you know, I just smelled something fishy, no pun intended. And so, so was it social media? It was Facebook. And this was like Facebook when only college people could get on Facebook. It was four college people. Were you in college? Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, you needed an EDU address. And so, you know, as we get to talking and we'll be chatting or whatever, she starts sending me like pictures. And I'm like, you know, young horny kid, I'm like, I'm sending them back, right? We get, we're getting into it. And every time I would like, yo, let's talk over, you know, over video. Like, something would come up. She would keep, you know, make excuses, would you walk? I'm like, all right.

And so it, but she kept on doing this, kept on doing it. But like, we was getting involved, you know, phone, sex, stuff like that. And then it got to the point where I was like, yo, I don't trust this shit. Like, something's off. Like, why won't you show you? Rewind, phone sex, like, just texting, or you talked on the phone to a person? Both, both.

What was the voice you were hearing? Was it sounded like a hot girl? Sounded good. I mean, sounded good. I mean, I'm looking at the pictures. It's matching to me, you know? And so, uh, that's good. Man.

Yeah, so things, you know, get a little deeper. I'm like, yo, this is, this is whack. Like, show yourself. And so I was like, all right, send me a picture with you holding a spoon. I was like I was like you know what I was I was before my time with that shit but I was like yeah I just didn't seem right so I was like I sent me a picture if you holding a spoon and she sent a picture of some of the same girl but like the the spoon was obviously Photoshop and I was like get the fuck out of here yo it was it was it was it was wild

because I was upset because like yo you this is months we're talking on the phone now you know what I mean like this is months like we we talking about getting together But how often was her video for webcam not working? I mean, it's reasonable back then because it wasn't like FaceTime. Like, you had to do Skype. Remember that's when Skype was popping, right? Before I got sold. But like, so Skype was popping there.

And so she was like making excuses. And I was like, you know, it's understandable. People don't know how to work webcams. You know, I'm kind of savvy, whatever. Oh, I thought. And so, yeah, man, I think the bigger point is, I didn't get hurt by it because obviously it was just the sexual transaction for me. That was the goal.

But like people who have gotten, like, hurt really bad with this shit. But like love, people fell in love. And I used to think that how could you fall in love? But then I did a little, like, digging. Like, people used to like, in, like, World War I and World War II, they used to have, like, pen pals. And they used to write each other back and forth. And people, like, really fell in love.

And you fall in love with how people put the words together and the personalities that they show over those, over those pages. And, like, people developed lifelong relationships. We got married because of that. And so in this new age, it's kind of laughable to think that you can fall in love with some words on the screen, but it's a real thing. And I, you know, luckily didn't get hurt like that, but that's what interests to me in the subject was like, oh, people have really got hurt. People sent money. And that's when it gets real, really real to where it's like, you might get hurt doing some shit like this.

People send money. She did ask me, she said her little brother had cancer and kind of help. about and I was like can I ask can I ask one question I think we've said on this show you've you've engaged in relations with a multitude of women in the past

I had a while younger days I assume when you were playing college football at an SEC school you were not hurting in that regard so why so why were you like on Facebook with some rando that you'd never met

uh well you don't you don't have sex with a woman and then you're satisfied like you might be satisfied for the day but like back then like it was

to run up the body count was a goal you know what I'm not proud of that it's very misogynistic but there were like a lot of women no he sees a hot girl that he can fuck at the university of Tennessee

that you could do that all the time absolutely but my thing was so to me this is more of like a kink but like to me it was more like the thrill of the chase you have to get it was what like so I I I had a professor once who was she was like 28 29 years old so we're 10 years older to me right and I had stayed late one time she was she looked good to me right so I stayed

late one time and I got an inkling that she was filling me like a small smile or something like that and it became my goal to try to sleep with it like that was my goal did you i accomplished the goal but you have a red pepper on rate my professor i think she a whack or she grew or she beat i don't think i ever rated i don't even think i ever rated my professor no they would have a red pepper if like enough people oh like a word it was it was to rate there it was to rate how good they were as a professor but there was also a thing where you could say if they were hot. And then the red...

Oh, I don't even know. Yeah, no, she was thick, man. Was? Red peppers all of this shirt right now. You got a rubber running shirt. You were right. I was stacking. I think it's new and exciting, though,

for a guy that can go into a bar in Knoxville and Pillage all of a sudden, then be online and have this, like, you know, mystery woman, too. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, and think about it. The internet was, like, relatively new, right? So it wasn't like... The internet, when I was in high school, was... chat rooms and like just pages and blogs you would go to to read and so I never really tried

to meet with anybody in the chat room usually like that was that ASL age sex location and so usually just chatting to people just talking I never engaged in any that but when Facebook came along in 2004 my first year of college it was just college people talking to each other that was exciting that was like yo it's just another avenue to try to get what you can get and we did I had a multiplicity of those, but this one was just intriguing. And so I guess it's just like another avenue, man, you know what I'm saying? But that was back of my younger and wild a day. It's still more prevalent than ever catfishing.

And why is that if we're all so informed? It's like it's universal knowledge that it's a thing. I think it's more like the psychology behind it is that you have like some confirmation bias. Like you convince yourself like what you feel real emotions and you like the serotonin release. from falling in love with a random person. So you kind of are in denial. So I'm kind of a, I think I'm pro catfishing. Whoa.

That's, from both. That's the worst thing. Yeah. Than your, your colors. No, I am. I think so. I'm going to hear you out. Because I think you're, you're, it's the same as like getting into WWE or This Is

Us or World of Warcraft, suspension of belief. This is us. While you're in it, like you feel good. You're happier. probably therapeutic to fall in love. Are you a narcissist? Probably a little bit, but... This is like part of the psychology of somebody catfish or somebody?

I think there should be therapeutic catfishing. You think people should do it as like a job? No, I think it's good for some people. But if it's good for some people, then should we have like people who are like, I will pretend to be a hot woman and let you fall in love with me for like excellent because a lot of these victims they don't want to meet the other person it's like it's like the attachment theory they subconsciously don't they prefer distance

I don't know if that's true not in your case because you just want it to fuck but like a lot of these guys are like introverts who prefer the distance and like the mystery I think a lot of them are introverts who can't meet people in real life or just haven't met people in like find something online and get real hurt by the shit. And the reason they don't, like, they don't question like why they haven't met the person yet despite them living in the same town for so long is because they prefer it that way. I don't know, man. I think the longer I live, the more I understand that not everybody's playing with the same deck of cars, right?

And so my social skills, which I deem normal, right? There are certain checklists that I go by in order to like meet my standards of like a good human being, bad human being real person not real person, whatever. Like those social skills were developed and I was born with a lot of them. A lot of people don't have those social skills. And so

they go in these online communities trying to meet people and they end up getting hurt. Oh yeah, yeah, it's definitely bad. I was kind of kidding about I'm a pro catfishing, but I think it's good for these people in the moment. I think like it's their life

considerably improves because they finally have someone to like in a romantic relationship. I would say probably to your point, KB, is that a good percentage of this like catfishing is a victimless crime. Like the people who get caught up and it are pretty pathetic going back and forth and it's a 16 year old girl thinking that a cheese hitting with a 17 year old boy and it winds up to a 40 year old guy on this side and a 70 year old girl on that side. So just the patheticness sort of kind of acts, but they're praying on like the most sensitive victims they can, and that's kids, right? Like when you read all the people who died or committed suicide before that, it's

almost exclusively 13-year-old girls. Do you know what I mean? And it's like, like so my kids have had phones since they're 10. So one of the kids in my son's class had gotten into just what I get 10 times a day. Hi, gorgeous, you know, like a DM or something like that. and she has no followers, no post. It's just like a great avatar picture. So one kid, you know, who would ever respond to that?

11-year-old boy, you know, and then takes a picture with a shirt off and says, hello, and then the girl comes back and says, I'm going to forward this around your school. I see who you follow, send me something. Oh, yeah. You know, like that's, you know, praying on the weak in society

and that's where it becomes a less victimless crime. But otherwise, I think if it's just like goofy shit, I get that serotonin rush sometimes fighting with a commenter even though I know I'm punching the like punching the tide I get a kick out of sometimes telling somebody go fuck themselves every now and again I just decided to stand ground on a troll and there's a rush to that right like I'm not talking about like the actual crime yeah yeah because the crime stuff is bad but that's murders for now

that's murder that's murder I don't consider that catfishing that's yeah it's right you're not pro you're not pro catfish murder no okay good well i don't know yeah i'm not pro catfishing but i're you're pro catfish for awkward people who yes can talk to someone on the internet like introverts who will never probably sadly never like find love in cells in cells because then what like imagine they they get catfishness revealed they feel even more pathetic than they ever did is the metaverse one big catfish like when you buy your avatar and you show up on that it's pretty much is

you know I know nothing about the metaverse I don't I don't deal in fake worlds but that's what I mean then you know enough to know that it's fucking maybe just a gigantic fake catfish world right legalized and subsidized and people making millions of dollars off it I like to expand the the

definition of catfishing way beyond you know okay yeah like I do like I think sometimes like a lot of makeup is somewhat catfish my avatar on Twitter is five years old and I just haven't changed it I don't look like that anymore I think that's sort of cat I think most people's avatishing is a spectrum it's flu yeah okay at what point yeah okay that's a good point catfish is a spectrum at what point do you change your avatar to update what you

look like like what's the metric I think legally it should be five years of 50 pounds it should be a weight five years or 50 If I drop 50, let's go positive. If I drop 50, I change it. If I gain 50, fortunately. So I'm close. You know, I'm going to show you my avatar. I've seen.

What is my avatar? I don't think I don't change my avatar. Pretty similar. Yeah, but let me see. Let me look at your avatar. That's still a little, you know what I mean? I mean, to me, that looks just like. There's a lot.

There's a lot more egregious ones. You know, like a lot of Vaseline on the lens type stuff. I have a preaching. Yeah, I got a wine glass on my head. But I think there is a, you know, where you should probably start to change. I've seen a lot of people that I've met that I've spoke to online. Then I'll see him at Pumpunk to be like, oh, remember we were just talking on Twitter about some history? I'm like, oh, yeah.

I was like, oh, shit, no, you got to change that picture. No, that's a different person. Yeah, it's hard to police that, though. It is. I like that I like that gauge five years or 50 pounds whichever comes first

if not if not your catfish yeah what's I'm saying 20 20? Nah 20 pounds I've been reverse catfish you have a good you have a good

you have a good holidays that 20 comes fast you know what I mean you have a nice little holiday changing every six months I think 50 and five years is a good gauge has anybody here

got catfish I've catfished My profile picture is like is me as an eight eight or nine year old boy And I'm pretty sure I've met up with a girl Who never even bothered to ask me what I look like I don't know about catfished I've been on two dates that I can recall specifically

Where they did not look like The pictures that they Oh yeah So not I mean they existed they were they were the same person but angles yeah let me tell you something about larger women which i love i love thick women don't be wrong breach but they they know they know they know angles better than most i didn't say it was that what was it i just said oh the pictures were so slightly i was they were good pictures i've been reverse catfish and was equally

disappointed as if it, like, the alternative where she looks a lot better. And then I'm like, I didn't sign up for this. I don't have the confidence right now at my point of life for you to be this hot. That's a good point. You don't want too much the other way either. I can't do this. See it. She sandbagged you. She did. So she came in better than much better. That's probably a good strategy. Use your worst pictures. Yeah, her latest Instagram was like 2018, which should have been a red flag. You can't say anything about that. Why is it come? Because your most recent Instagram is from, what, 2014?

Oh, yeah, yeah, I guess, yeah, 2015, yeah, I guess I am a good thing. That's eight years ago, man. It's time to. No, it's too long now. Yeah. I'm not going to do that. I mean, there's a, I mean, in online dating culture, there's a thing that girls do where sometimes they show you there be plus pictures first.

So then you can be like, well, if he likes me, it might be. B plus. No, right. Yeah, I'm saying go lower than that. I'm saying you see and then if you like to see

and you show up and you're like, wow, yeah. Yeah, but like girls like I, like I've, I've done that where it's like oh

like I'll throw a B in and see what happens. Girls always look better in person to me because I don't make extended eye contact long enough to truly analyze engage what their face looks like. In person or?

I prefer the in person broad. Yeah. Do you make? contact with girls in person though yeah but I never I never let it linger no so yeah if you have any blemishes I wouldn't know so were you looking most of the time that's what I'm saying that's real creepy vibes yeah yeah looking at their kicks just seeing what kind of shoes they rock imagine going to date somebody just staring at your shoes the whole time bro that's that's happened to saw man yeah that's happened to several girls who've gone on a dude KB

have you have you killed anybody then not to be sexist though but so mad dog you have a you have a natural beauty to you thank you so much so where do you see the premium in all of a sudden throwing on like a shitload of makeup and meeting a guy and not looking like like madeline like you know what I mean like where do you see that premium I guess or you know on the low the low spectrum of it like the first time that we go out you decide to really put it on to a point where you know that if we started a relationship, you would not be hold that. Yeah, it wouldn't be consistent

with it. Yeah, yeah. Well, I think you want to, I think I think people do that same thing with their personalities though a little bit like you show your best side of yourself. And then once you get comfortable with someone, you know, you start to show more of your real self. I try not to do that. I also, like I act like

I go on dates. I don't. But I try not to do that. That's kind of sad. Yeah. I know. What are you doing next season? but like I I get I get the you want to impress someone I get that to the point where you're like almost like unrecognizable as your own self that part I don't get as much but like I get wanting to give your A game the first couple of times but yeah it is one of those things where it's like you can't uphold that premium forever yeah but I do think people do that like with you know with their personality or like you know those little white lies that you tell on dates like oh you make you know 10,000 more than you actually do or like stuff like that. So I think that people can do that in other facets as well as the way they look. I don't know how guys would do that as much. I mean, maybe if you guys, like, or maybe if you, like, wore really nice clothes and you really don't wear nice clothes.

Like, it would be. There's something called hat fishing. Yeah, when you cut her up in the airline. Right. Yeah. Yeah. But like, I'm not saying that. I'm in a tough day.

Females. Like, females I know have mentioned, I got hat fished. Yeah. Like, I can see that, but also, like, if Aryan, like, I know Aryan well enough to know that he'll never, ever wear anything that isn't, like, sweatpants or, you know, a t-shirt and shorts. So if, like, Aryan went on a first date, like, with someone and showed up in a three-piece suit, I'd be like, and then, you know, and then you actually go on a couple more dates with him and he shows up in, like, his sweatpants. Like, you can kind of do that, I guess. It's definitely different for girls, though. But, yeah, no.

It's different for a millionaire and a fellows, too. I mean that's also true yeah that that that is also true but I don't know I try to keep it even killed I also now there's an there's enough things of me talking on the internet where I can I don't think I can yeah full people yeah like yeah can I mean like if you're a first date tomorrow you what do you do like if you're going out with some girl you want to impress how do you prepare because you can do a lot more right like you're like okay I could throw these on I can get my eyebrows wax what do you do mustache wax like what do you do for your first date you shave you shave what it. Yeah, I've only, I've only had a beard recently, but I wear, I mean, I wear to work basically what I would wear to a first day. Like khaki shorts, polo. Hat? No, see, I actually, I won't wear, I wear a hat every day. But like, on a first, like, five dates, I just feel like, yeah, I actually remember asking my girlfriend after we'd been going after I was like, I wore a hat one time. And I was like, just so you know, like, I usually wear hats. Every single day, but I haven't worn one with you. That's almost like, nice. Yeah, I was like, can I wear hats now? And she's like, yeah.

I was like perfect It's almost like a sign of respect I didn't ask I was just like I usually wear a hat every day Like I feel like we've been going out long enough now That like I can wear hats That'd be funny if she like Like in her text message today

With her girl was like Fuck her wears a hat every day Now she knows I won't take it off Right Yeah Aaron you don't you don't dress it up You don't you don't all of a sudden Try to impress go out

To like spend a lot of money On what you're wearing and what you look and fit is? No, sir. I do. I think that's reserved. If I can't get in with flip flops and sweats, I just don't belong there.

Really? I don't hate that. It's just comfort to because I used to like, when I was in the league, I used to like, I used to dress to the nines at the bow ties and with the boot. But like halfway through me being NFL's like,

yo, this is uncomfortable, like sitting on planes or going on plus or whatever. Like, it's uncomfortable. Draws get all wedged up. The hard bottom. shoes hurt my feet. So I'm like, who am I doing this for? Because I'm not trying to impress anybody. I just enjoy dressing it. But I got to the point when I didn't like it anymore, I was like, fuck this shit. So I just started wearing shit that was comfortable. And so that's like, I've, I've had

women when I was dating in the past, it would be like, yo, like, well, you're going to dress up? And I'm like, this is what you get. Like, this is, this is where I'm at. You're the opposite of a catfish. Yeah. I'm a casual. yeah by the way i looked up catfishing and i got a bunch of videos of those girls who stick their hands in the catfish mouths oh yeah grab the noodling it's a ganga dude that is yeah did you see the guy who do you see me do it you've done noodling yeah wait what is noose to say it again so like catfishing if you're actually going after catfish these big motherfuckers it's called noodling and you're in like waste deep water you find a hole where they're lay eggs and

then the male is there protecting the eggs, you reach your hand in. These males, they're usually at the low end, like 40 pound catfish, they'll crab onto your hand. You'll grab onto their gills from the inside and rip them out of a hole. There's like some girl with a bikini who does what's called noodling. Some girl in a bikini who does it who pulled like an 80 pound catfish out. It's, it's, I mean, it has nothing to do with this, but it's absolutely hillbilly hand fishing. They call it too. It's noodling a hillbilly hand fishing. I mean, it's that. That's a big first date. It used to be a show.

Oh, was it? Yeah, that's how I know about it because my dad and I used to watch it. Okay. Just stick your hand in there and hope something. Terrifying. Yeah. It's terrible. Like, what if a snapping turtle's in there?

There's a fucking wrist. What if a catfish is in there? Yeah, exactly. There's a video on Instagram of some guy doing it and he looks exactly like me. Oh, really? To a T. Do you guys play videos on? Yeah, we can.

Cut this in? Do you don't have to cut it in? I just want to show Maddie. I got that I say. Next to the group chat. I'm not in the group chat. Is it like a tweet? It's an Instagram.

Yeah, send it to me. All right. The typical weight for a flathead catfish caught by noodling is 40 pounds. But the record for an Oklahoma lake catfish was caught by noodling weighed 88 pounds and was 54 inches long. It's like pulling Zah out of a fucking hole. Imagine that. That is insane.

Do they eat them or do they just, they just? I think it's catch and release, but I mean, catfish are good eating. You just, they're tough to skin. You got to like nail them to a tree to take the skin off. Really? Yeah. Why would you go through all that, like, why would you go through all that work to catch and release? It's an excellent Instagram, you know, post.

I guess. That's where catfishing got its name, like the one we're talking about. Some guy, did you see, you ever read that? There's a myth that. you had to ship a catfish with a, like, a container of live cod. Like, cod is one of the most eaten fish in the world, codfish, fish and chips and shit. The myth is that if cod were shipped with catfish in the same tanks to keep the cod active, it would ensure the quality of the cod, where if the cod were just alone, they became pale and lethargic.

So the myth originated back in, like, 1913. So they say you throw a catfish in like with some boring cod and get some fucking rawly. up and that's where catfishing came from. Wow. It's a little bit wild. I'm very fish-oriented today. And that was a positive all around. I think so, to your point.

To my point where. Live it's it up. It could work. Yeah. Regulate it. Yeah. No kids involved. Right.

I remember watching naked and afraid where they would be like in sub-Saharan Africa and there would be like no water sources but just like this little pond. And then, but in that little, it's not even a pond, it'd be like a, just a trough, like a small little water source. There'd be like 30 catfish in there randomly. Like, I'm like, how the fuck is that a thing? I don't know enough about catfish or that's a rain. I don't either. That was always weird to me.

Yeah. You think I would. I did a little bit of legwork, not enough. I was, oh, yeah. I was hoping. I was hoping you was to hit. Yeah, not me. At least outdoors.

I got out there. We'll go around and give me your top answer. Give me your, the number one. sign that you're being catfished i'll start okay it's the easy one but it's it has it's it's a personal experience like they won't they won't hop on a video call they won't yeah that's that's like the main thing that the catfish show highlight is like the webcam was always broken yeah yeah mm-hmm won't hop on anybody else got every time i've seen pictures from like an account that was like

you know just somebody totally different that was catfishing or something they always have a weird like tint to them they look like they look just a little bit off yeah not even grainy but like a the color is a little bit off yeah it's like they're just they're bad pictures it's almost a picture of a picture right yeah yes and that's that's a good way to put it it's deep fried which that tells me like that's like I

Indian Russian men, Eastern Europeans. Yeah, like they don't have the full internet. What? They don't have the, yeah, they don't have the full air. Partial internet. Yeah, yeah, yeah, y'all know what I'm talking about. No, 100%. I think it is almost like pictures of pictures, right?

Yeah, you're pulling it off. And if it's Instagram, it's so obvious. You have to go, you just check their tagged photos if there's anything. Did they get comments from friends or are they like bought comments? Yeah. Hi sexy That's how most from start off And I know right

Not that I'm sexy But they don't know it yet Came across your profile And you have a beautiful smile I'm like Jesus Christ I feel like now It's kind of nice actually I feel like now though

Like In the Instagram age It's pretty If you have some semblance of common sense It's pretty easy to spot Who's a cat or not even a catfish But a bot You think you do if you're 11?

Oh Yeah I think No no I'm honestly asking I don't know. I honestly asking because I think they're smarter than, I think an 11 year old will be able to tell before a 40 year old.

Yeah, yeah. I'm on that. The risk, I feel like 11 is young. Like 11, 12, like it's just like it's a risk as a young boy's young little horny boy. I'm willing to take that risk.

Yes. She might think I'm sick. You know what I mean? As a young and I'm willing to take that risk. You'll never know if you're not willing to find out. But your point though is what about me in two years in 20 years and I'm 70 and I'm still on Instagram like do then like the deep fakes and she actually can get on start talking to me you know like just the deep fake videos and stuff I might get

I don't think it's old age I think it's just familiarity like you you've grown you've spent years on Instagram you won't ever fall for it even if you are like demented but like even I think grandparents now like my grandparents used to get wrapped up into it like those calls that you would get granted it's a little bit different but the calls you would get pretending that they were getting audited or getting, you know, there was a warrant out for their arrest over taxes and stuff. Like, old people fall for that shit every day. The big one fairly recently was, was they'd call old people and say like that they were their grandson or something. Like they'd find out through Facebook what your grandkids name was

and they'd be like, hey, grandma, I'm in jail. I need like $4,000 or whatever. The gift cards are huge. Like Walmart has to put signs up. Like don't buy the gift card if you're getting scammed. Trista. Yeah. People here get scammed. The greeting of the season. To Trista catfish? Or is we expanding the definition, like I said.

Is that catfish? Is that just trickery? That's financial catfish. No. That's just scam. Scaming, yeah. Jersey is definitely. I think it is.

I think if you're pretending to be somebody else with the intent on relations or financial gain, I feel like it's a form of catfish for sure. Yeah, like, I feel like catfishing might have to include a romantic or just like a subset of grifting that's just involved over the years are Instagram filters catfishing Instagram filters like TikTok filters every time I hit up TikTok or whatever and some girl there's always something like hazel eyes yeah something like that hazel eyes is my favorite I wonder I wonder if I could just look at TikTok and not allow that and see every one of them just not because these filters are fantastic the filters are miracle

You might have just fixed, in my head, you fixed a lot of the internet, dog. If you could have an option to not see filters, that would change everything. Wow, that's actually brilliant. Right. I love that idea. Yeah, no, I think that, I don't know. Do you use some? Do I use filters?

Have you ever used a filter? I don't really post pictures of myself. Yeah. You? You use hazel eyes? I use hazel ads on TikTok sometimes But also I don't post anything on my personal TikTok to public It's all friends only

Avery used a lot of them I know Yeah you used filter I mean I used the cat ones Of them with my daughter Yeah Never used like unless it was like a funny one on Snapchat Why would say why hypothetically why would a guy That's what I'm saying To make them look better?

I was about to say that 90% of them You're using filters? No no I'm kidding I was gonna say 90% of them are probably women But I don't think that's true either I think everybody in the Swayhouse uses fucking filters. Yeah. Well, there's also filters because there's like filters on TikTok

specifically that you just like smooth out your face. Like we're not doing anything too crazy. We're just smooth things out. I'm fine with it. I don't give a shit. I don't. But is that cat? Is that cat fishing though? No. By zero means.

Cap fishing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's catfishing. But it's like cat. It's the same thing as me putting on like makeup. Which is not cat. Which is also cat. I don't think. That's cap too. I'm a big proponent of no makeup. I tell, like, women, hear me out. Women that I've been involved with know this.

Like, you are more beautiful to me without makeup. Uh, it's just not true. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. Hear me out. Hear me out. I know that's just, it's just sounds super simple and it sounds here you go trying to get, say.

I'm telling you, dog, to me, my personal preference is no makeup. I love natural with no makeup, dog. That's, I just think you're more palatable to me, to my taste. Like when I see women with makeup and especially when it's cake, on it's like a ill to me it's an ick i also think men are kind of like the shit men sometimes get tricked by women saying like them no makeup makeup look like yeah like i try to make it and did the outline of this shit yeah man yeah i try to make it look like i'm not wearing makeup and then yeah and then you're like oh yeah even then i'll take a little bit of a

makeup yeah like i'm not trying to like make myself look like you kind of just got to look alive sometimes i want you as when you wake up in the morning and your breath stink that's how that's how I want you. I want you like that. I love that. I love that. I think 90% of women, I think 90% of women look the worst. They're worst on their wedding day when they decide to go Uber-fucking makeup and all

like, and they're dressed up like the snow princess and all that shit. Honestly, I think that's when they're at their worst. I don't mind a little bit of makeup, but like I don't like if a girl can't like give me a hug if I'm wearing a white shirt. Right, because then you'll just like have a half my face. Or if we kiss And now my lips got shit on it Like I didn't sign up for this

Bro, what? It's the only reason I got married I was rooting too many shirts Yeah Bitches Prawling all over large Keep up bitches Yeah

I know I also think it's like It's like what Aaron It's like very much Like preferential thing But I don't know I also can't Like I it's like gross to have

On my face Like I just get like I touch it And gross to have on your face Maddie we all work I wonder what you mean. No, no, no, no, no, no. Like, to have so much makeup on your own face.

Oh, oh, oh, I thought you said it's gross to have on my face. I'm like, no, no, no, no. I'm just saying, like, in terms of a feel thing. Like, no, I got you. I couldn't imagine having to put every day too. Like, it's a part of your routine. They got to wake up and put that man. Fuck that shit.

Fuck that shit. What if I wore a wig? That's out, like, out of all these guys here, I wear a wig. Yeah. So I'll go out on a weekend. I went to a wig. store Tiffany wigs and I got a high-end wig and as I'm in the shop getting fitted for it a person with cancer came in and to get fitted so I was so fucking embarrassed that I was like

all right wrap this up what does it cost I'll meet you at the register I get up to register it's like 750 like it was just a $800 wig and I wear it all time like as a joke but I'll wear it to dinner with couples just because I find it to be funny and I find it to be a little exciting it's all I can do I got no fucking options at all anymore You know, look like a thumb. But like, so that's what a guy can do. We could catfish with wigs. But, like, I mean, guys have toupeeze.

Yeah. And look how you felt when you wear the wig. It is a joke, but you did feel it's a thrill and excitement. And that's what calffishers do. They take on a different persona. Yeah. And a lot of barstool sports, like, people can be assessed the same way. They put on a fake persona.

Maybe I feel like you, I feel like you catfish somebody before, bro. Me? Me. KB. KB. KB. KB is better. No.

No. No. I feel like you're, you're defending the psychology of it. I'm just saying I get why. Like a lot of people watch catfish and they can't like fathom how it happened or why it happened. You get it. I get what was going on mentally. Yeah.

I think some people like really narcissistic like to see people like emotionally invested in them. Yeah. I think that's natural. Yeah. I think as weird is almost like the people who, like, try to catch the people. Like, Neve? I've always been off put by vigilante types who want to insert themselves and, like, catch others doing something heinous.

Yeah, I wasn't put on this world to be a goalie, but, like, I keep going back to that fucking point. Like, I got 11-year-old girls on Instagram. And we see all her shit. We see my son. Yeah. My one going to college this week, we don't see his shit anymore. He's good. The one who's just going into a sophomore.

in high school. We no longer see his shit, but we have access to it because he's mine. I pay for his shit. My little girl, I see everything. As you should, yeah. But a lot of people don't. I can't tell you how many of her friends have open Instagram accounts. So they're getting the same type of stuff that, you know.

Age 11? Yeah. Yeah, no. The parents should see that. Yeah. So, I mean, that's the only vigilante shit. Like, Lisa Ann gave me her phone once and I looked at her fucking DMs. And it's not good, man

Like this is you know Like that type of stuff That's the only time I feel like We should catch some of those guys And throw them in the volcano And I don't give a fuck what people do Yeah KB

I want you to expound on another little bit Because I'll feel you And it's also why I don't like Batman I think Batman It might be the worst superhero of all time But expound on that a little bit Also When I'm on a show or a podcast

I will say things Just to say it Because you need to, you need, we're in a take culture where you need to have an extremist take. But I am creeped out by like the vigilante types who devote their life to catching others, even if they only have a hunch that they're doing something wrong. Then they try to insert themselves to be like the hero for the victim and then they get all up in their personal life. I think it's kind of weird. Okay.

So what about cats like to catch a predator, shit like that? Yeah, and that, well, that spawned a lot of, like, people doing it on their own, which I think is very odd. So you have these people who are pretending to be 14-year-old girls, which I think is weird, texting these guys for days and then, like, catching them, like, I got you. That is a weird dynamic of it. That's just a weird. That's not your role, I don't think. Catching them cats, you have to, like, they have a hero fetish. Pretend to be into it. Then you have to, you also, you're also sexting another person as a 14.

year old. So you're it's weird. No, I agree with that. The vigilanteanism is pretty weird. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So we all agree Batman is shit. Fuck Batman. Yeah, Batman is ass. I get into it all the time. People on Twitter about that shit, too. Batman's so

whack. He's not even a superhero, though. He's just a fucking dwee. Yeah, he's rich. God, he's just the dweeby. Yeah, a dwee be rich dude who can do more by buying a school, but he just rather beat up poor people. It's just weird. Same thing with Iron Man then? Iron Man's Marvel's Batman.

Oh, no, no, no. Oh, you fuck with Iron Man. Iron Man is genius that his, his genius actually helps society for the better. Because technology develops. He don't, he don't go around beating up, like, petty criminals. Like, he goes around actual villains he fights. Batman's over here, like, Joker or, like, you know what I'm saying? Catching people in mugging in the alley.

Like, shit like that, you know what I? Batman's a dude. Such a Marvel bias. no no no no Iron Man is a genius absolutely but anybody got any other hot catfish takes man

I think I got mine off I don't know if I agreed with anything I said this entire podcast but yeah man you're hard to pin you gotta just throw out opinions sometimes don't bad Who is KB

I'm gonna do some more research because from this podcast I still have no fucking clue man I would just say and whatever. So you think... I kind of agreed with some of that. I don't know.

You think a 19-year-old from Hawaii who was an Eagle Scout and a Mormon got catfish? Oh, are you saying like there's more to the story? No, I'm just saying. Oh, is this anti-Tayo? Yeah. Like we talk about how easy

fucking 11-year-olds get caught. We talk about how easy, like, people who are 70 and just get on Facebook and get caught. And then we talk about stupid people who can get caught up in it and it's pathetic people who almost want to get caught up in it

but what about somebody who's you know 19 you know explain the whole 19 real quick man explain the whole man tito shit to me real quick because I don't really ever I never looked into the story

I heard about something about catfish the man tito and I think he was around the same age I was so maybe I played against him I don't know but he was a little bit later later than you a little later okay so I know it's like a big deal hit me with it I don't remember the story

so would I be biased in hitting them with the story do you want to do it your Notre Dame hater right I don't know about hater I didn't I didn't hate them before like a month ago when they beat UT in the Super Regionals but I so he

he was the star linebacker in Notre Dame believe he was like a Heisman finalist 2009 he came to us he came to Notre Dame people were fucking pumped about him coming he was going to go to USC he wound up choosing Notre Dame. And he was a stud.

I mean, you can talk about Notre Dame schedule and all that kind of shit. And I'm not going to argue that. But then he made it to the national championship game in 2012. They go undefeated. Yeah. And the whole season, he had this story that his grandmother and girlfriend had died on the same day. I believe like right at the beginning of the season, like September or something. September 11th, he said they had died.

September 11th, they both died on the same. You know, you remember 9-11 type thing. His grandfather and his grandpa. His grandmother. He went through the season. He had a great season. And so then he was, I think he finished second in the Heisman behind Johnny football, right? Mansell won that year?

Manzel did win in 2012. Yeah. So he was one of three people who invited a downtown athletic club or wherever the fuck it was then, came in second in Heisman voting. And then somewhere along the line, it leaks that this girlfriend of his never existed. And then that it was this guy, homosexuals, guy who had a crush on Mantei that developed the whole thing. And Manti had said, though, in the past he'd actually met her when he really didn't. Yeah. And then it, you know, came out in like a

costus interview that he, when he had found out that he had been catfished, he didn't come forward with it immediately because out of embarrassment, you know, because again, he's now a 20-year-old guy, you know, who got got. And my point is, is that is it because of his upbringing, like in Eagle Scout means you're pretty straight lace. The Mormon has all that baggage that goes along with it. Like perhaps, like, because people thought that it was bullshit, that he made up that story so it would sound better in the One Shining Moment video before he goes up for the Heisman. But I don't think that's true at all either.

Do you think that he was complicit? I don't necessarily, I wouldn't say that. I don't, it's a very odd story. But yeah, I think the Mormon thing definitely probably has more to do with it than anything. and he's extremely naive. The most plausible theory, I think, that he's gay, right? Mantai.

Yeah. Matt that's there? Well, he's now, now he's married to, like, an Instagram model with a kid. By side. Maybe. Maybe.

Maybe it was, that's the only thing that makes sense to me because he wouldn't want people to know that he's actually gay when he's a college football star. Hmm. But there was all this. And Mormon.

But I know, but like, why is this superstar line bat? Why is he not, fucking girls around campus why is he never why is he not why isn't into girls oh yeah I have a girlfriend yeah out of out in front of it

she goes through a different school and she's that's what it is yeah yeah yeah but I don't know I think he probably was fucking other other females though you know what I'm saying that he wasn't I think I think I think what large is probably more like he he probably got down which is like super embarrassed about it that makes a lot of sense

for that long wasn't that's the whole thing like I want like where you know where so streets But he, then he, what was, why did he fucking, why would he fake the death? No, no, this guy faked the death on him. Right. So he was, he's never met this girl. They had like this, these chats, like these deep chats where they really got to know each other.

They consider themselves like exclusive. And he had said, like somebody was like, oh, you're dating this girl. You never met her. He's like, no, no, I met her once. Total lie. But maybe he did it just because he was embarrassed that he had this online relationship. Right. Like this guy said all the right things to this naive.

fucking Eagles, a Hawaiian Eagle Scout, you know. And meanwhile, he's, he's at a, you know, a college where, you know, he had to perform. Like, he was very busy. So how did he find, how did he find out that she died or? I think the whole time she, she was said to have had cancer. And that, and I believe Manteo said that he was with her, like when she died or like the day before or something like that. I don't want to be wrong about that, but I believe he said that. Well, the whole thing is centering around this documentary, right? That's dropping next week. About time.

Yeah. And I have them on this for an interview after this. Okay, you got an interview with the producer, right? Yeah, with the two producers. Yeah, yeah. So, and I even think like the news of her death came from her cousin. Fake, yeah, yeah. And that was the guy who's been doing it the whole time.

He was the catfisher. He was the dude. And I have a question. What if before you found out you were being catfished, someone reached out to you and said, hey this is my sister daughter she has passed away how would you react like damn sorry for your law

yeah you wouldn't publicize it or anything I mean nah I was trying to I was just no I had never met her so I was like I was I was trying to hit so it wasn't there was no emotions yeah I mean yeah we wasn't having like deep conversation it was just like sexual kid shit

yeah shit like that nice nice shit do you remember how embarrassed that guy was you remember Manta I went that whole thing about that? That's like, it wasn't certainly before social media, but 10 years ago was very different. Like, if that story

breaks today, I mean it's a, it was a massive deal. We was on the cover of Sports Illustrated this, that, and the other. But like, it would have, if that broke right now, that would be the top trend on Twitter for weeks. And it would be. What about weeks?

It was. It may be a, maybe a day or two. It was a huge deal. Yeah. I mean, he was, he was, He was one of the best players in college football. Yeah. I think, yeah, him being embarrassed. Like, I think that's also the culture has changed, too,

because now if you tell somebody I met my girl online, you're like, oh, okay, that's what's up. But back then it was like, ooh, you better online. Yeah, there was a stigma. Now it's a very big thing. Now it's like, oh, that's dope. What app? you know what I mean

but and so he was probably super embarrassed I think the culture of the internet was entirely different back then like that shit sucks though how many people do you think have that relationship without every meeting girl like I'm

a lot legitimately curious do you think that there are a lot of Manti non catfishy relationships that are real that you don't see them for the first six months you're dating

I think so just pictures and now it's the face time it's so easy it's almost like you know take your top off I'm asking you take them off

you know what I mean like honestly it's easiest thing in the world but yeah I think that's way more prevalent than you would think really yeah

because back then he was he was embarrassed as shit and you know it was one of the most embarrassing things humans have ever a human being

has ever done as you're going into the draft as you're playing a national championship he doesn't get worse than that I mean I remember that I was like 12 like no

no I mean that's that's a hard one that's a hard one to come back from. And it's like that that's your whole career. So Sonia Housen of Stanford University and Ruman Thomas of the University of New Mexico

40% of heterosexual couples that got together in the U.S. in 2017 met online. I still think that's very different though than like getting in a relationship like you talked on a dating app and then you went out. I think that's different than

talking to someone exclusively on the internet that you've never met. Right. So you're saying that it's more normal for me right now to be dating somebody in Minnesota and never seeing her? Is it more normal for me to do that?

It's more prevalent. It's still weird to me. Is it still weird? I think to not, yeah. That's not a relationship. Okay, think about this though. Think about this. Like news growing up large when I was growing up large,

when we used to meet people, we used to have to like run into them, bump into them, happen to meet him at a gym, library, a restaurant, whatever the case would be, our radius in which and where we can be people was extremely small. And so the odds of you finding somebody you really click with are lessened. Nowadays, you can literally filter in what you're interested in, what your hobbies are, what your likes, your dislikes. So the radius in which and the amount of people that you

can meet is a lot more vast. So the odds of you finding somebody that you really like are higher with odds of them being local or lower. And so you can meet somebody you can really click with at a lot higher rate, but they might not be there. And so maybe you click with somebody who's across the country. And it was like, let's, you know, do this long distance thing until we can figure something out. That, to me, makes it a lot more sense. Could you see yourself doing?

I mean, having a more efficient net, but throwing it over a bigger lake, like you're saying, sounds great. But could you see yourself, Aaron, now? Like dating somebody in my, my girl now, my girl right now, we probably did long distance. Granted, it was different. She works. She's a teacher. I'm retired.

And so like I would travel back and forth to where she was from. But like we did long distance for probably a good four or five months. So you were still seeing her on a regular base. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, no, no. No, no.

We met through a mutual friend, actually. And you touched her. And then she went away for five months. Yeah. And then I would come back like pretty much every month I would be in her city. Yeah, that's different. But what I'm saying is I can see how somebody, two people who have jobs and they're working, they come home. Like this shit like we used to do like, that was cute. They were fucking romantic. We'd come home. I'd order her a bottle of wine. She'd have a bottle of wine waiting on her doorstep when she, when she get there. We have a date night. We both turn on the same movie at the same time.

One, two, three, go. We watch it the same movie. That's, that's fucking cute. You know what I mean? Yeah. And people can do shit like that nowadays. Whereas back in the day, you couldn't do shit like that. So it's a lot easier to do. And you can have phone sex, you know what I can see you getting off to me? You getting off to you or me? You know what I mean?

Like, don't look at me calm. Ever. Don't watch me come. Somebody might like a cave. Talk about angles for me. I don't have that fucking thing on a revolving stop sign. Give me more angles. And my top just learn not to kinkshame, man.

Whatever people are into, they into, man. It is what it is, unless it hurt somebody else. I think we all, we all realize that we are some variation of a catfish or catfishy. Yes. I think, I think, I think in, I think in general, yeah, Big T, I think in general, we like to advertise ourselves in our best light. And it's also why I don't dress up anymore because I don't feel the need to anymore. I feel like my personality is enough to like me. And so all the rest of the shit is what you see is what you get, man.

So I'm awful for me. Same with me. You still wear the wig, though? Yeah, with nine inch cock helps too, you know what I'm saying? There you go. Lay that thing down. That's what I call you large. There you go, Snowball.

We didn't even touch on dicks, yeah. We didn't touch on dicks yet. Almost in the prison part. Is that what they call you large? No, absolutely. But if that was the case, they'd call me light switch. I don't got a ton of work with, bro. That's what's up, man.

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untold volume two releasing on Netflix weekly beginning August 16th, 2020. That would be coming up just in a couple weeks here, like a week and a half. It's Chapman and McLean Way. They join us via Zoom. Thank you guys for coming on today. I'm very excited to talk to you about a couple different things that you've been work on. Mostly the Mante Tao story is one of the more fascinating stories in sports of the last 30 years. And it's like a perfect combination of things that I care about, which is sports and then internet culture and kind of the ways that the internet has like warped a lot of people's minds now and catfishing in general.

So thank you guys for joining us. would you say that like that manti teo's story is one of the more uh insane topics to do a documentary on absolutely i mean mac and i have like a word document of stories and characters that like we love and that we hope to one day do a documentary on and the the manti teos saga was on that list regardless of it being a sports documentary or not and so um it was such a bizarre story at the time it was funny at the time too there was like tons of memes no one knew what the hell was going on um and mac and i

just like had this instinct like i feel like there's probably more to the story than was was documented at the time you know there's all these tabloid headlines and like a lot of like surface level kind of like introspection on what was going on and so mac and i were like man we should a lot of cat fishing documentaries kind of focus on the victim which is interesting but no one really dives into like the people behind the scandal and why they did what they did And we reached out to Naya, who's kind of like never really talking about this online profile that she built that she used to catfish Manti and just came across this like incredibly like nuanced thought provoking story and journey of her life. And then we got that. Then we got Manti on board to talk about his journey in life.

And it just makes for a really, really, really interesting story. It does. Yeah. Yeah. We kind of talk about these stories like, especially this one being like a little bit of like a white. whale in sports documentary filmmaking there was like definite an element of like when we were first talking not directly to mantai but the people like his agents and managers so to speak and like I we got it we totally understood but there was kind of like a yeah get in line like type of

like response and attitude like we got we get you know we'll throw your pitch into the pile of other pitches we get but eventually like we did connect with manti and naya directly and just kind of built like a little bit of a relationship of like trust and and and and promise that we would interview them at length with, like, full context of what this was. And it's been almost 10 years for them. So they have, like, the added benefit of having grown through it and matured and developed. And they have 10 years hindsight on it all. So that's when I think we really felt, man, this is going to be a pretty special documentary to make. Yeah, I think that, um, in this case, Manti was, is it Manti, Manteo? He was, he was, like, the victim. Yes, but there was also

like a lot of questions. I remember reading the article on Deadspin and when it first came out. And I was thinking to myself, like, well, he's, he's definitely like, he knew, but still kind of continued to play along with it, like allow other people to play along with it. Maybe he was embarrassed. That's a natural reaction, I think, to realizing that all this has been going on. But so he's the victim in this for the most part. That's what I'm going into it seeing. And maybe the documentary will change my mind.

But from the other perspective, the catfisher, that to me is almost a more interesting story. because the levels of mental gymnastics that you have to be pulling with yourself and like the motivations behind really screwing with somebody like that is fascinating to me because I don't understand why somebody would ever do that. Do you feel like they were giving you a good reason for, do you think they were being honest with you guys, in other words? Or was it like kind of self-serving, self-protecting? Here's why I did it. I'm going to try to make myself look in the best light possible because there's no real good explanation from an ethical standpoint of why you would put somebody else through that. Sure. I think like one of the cool things about untold with volume

one coming out previously like the mouse of the palace and the trashers episode is I think like a lot of athletes and people are subjects got to see what the show is which is really like a no holds bar like we're I'm going to sit down and give you the raw unfiltered like vulnerable truth my story and like the audience can make with it what they want. And so I think that's kind of like one of the components that makes untold kind of like a really interesting series and so talking to mantai and naya look this was like the most humiliating and painful thing that both of them went through in their entire lives like there's no reason for them to like really sit down and try and paint a picture that makes them look in a better light I think really our motivation and interest was

in like trying to understand like what led these two people to this point in time to the story And I think one of the things that we found really fascinating is Naya, you know, the person behind it now identifies as a transgender woman. And when you really get into her story, you realize that like this was this online profile was really a deep, deep search for her identity and to figure out who she was. And I think it's something not a lot of people know, but they'll learn a lot more about in this episode. And then with Manta, I think a lot of questions at the time were like, how could he not know? Like, how could you not know he had a fake girlfriend? come on what's going on and i think one of the cool things about documentaries you get to peel back the curtain and like really dive into a lot of stuff so you really learn about mantai's background

and the kind of strict religious upbringing he came up with in hawaii what that culture meant to him came from like a super like dominant kind of patriarchal family where you don't ask a lot of questions which is kind of interesting and then you learn like just like how what a fish out of water he was this freshman year coming from like this culture and Hawaii where he's comfortable. He knows everyone to like these stark stormy winters and in Indiana to play football. And really when you watch this, you find like it's kind of two lost souls you found each other online and then kind of end up having this like beautiful connection at first. And I think it's going to be really interesting for audiences to kind of experience what

they experienced. So before I even knew you guys were coming on the show, I saw a trailer for the new untold volume in this episode. And what I did was I was blogging about. it and because I was very interested in the story because, you know, there was a lot of loose ends with that story. And while blogging for that, I did some research back to some of the Barstool Sports articles back when the story originally broke. Gotcha. And being able to read what people thought in that moment, our boss, Steele Presidente, he wrote the article and basically his take on it at the time was that man Titeo was making up this whole story about his girlfriend dying and with his grandmother to help him. win the Heisman. So, you know, looking back and seeing how much we didn't know back then and how many people still actually may think that because it just has been swept on the rug and hasn't

really been addressed since. I think this documentary is going to, you know, open a lot of people's eyes to how exactly this could happen. Totally. Yeah. And like there are like very complicated like timeline issues with this story. It's one of those like and and to be clear like in the middle of the Heisman campaign. This is a post championship football game. Notre Dame already lost to Alabama is when like Mantae starts to find out like this dead girlfriend is alive again and like my God like this stuff isn't quite adding up. And he talks openly about that in the documentary like listen and he struggles with the

decision he made, um, which is like, do I just grapple the horns now and wrestle with this massive story like bored by wait until like things die down and I think like at the end of the day you're talking about a kid who's 20 years old and he has a massive NFL draft coming up where career defining money is on the line and manti has agents and managers and family in his ear so all to say like it's just like an incredibly like complicated situation that I don't know um I don't know how you handle that situation I mean it's like an honest an honest question but but definitely like And the documentary gets into this, which is, like, Notre Dame and the story of Mantaeo, there's a strong element of, like, myth building in this story. It's really like a theme of fantasy that kind of goes through both Naya's fantasy and the fantasy she's playing out as Manta's girlfriend and Manta as this, like, unbelievable golden child of Notre Dame College football.

Front page of Sports Illustrated, his grandma died. What a remarkable season. Notre Dame had that year going all the way to the championship football game. people root for him to win the heisman all those are like things that that are uh that are themes in our documentary that that we ask manti to wrestle with so so it's all definitely yeah i can't imagine being a kid i mean granted he's legally an adult at the time but in college you have all these different people in your ears especially somebody as high profile as manti was at the time where you've got you know people from your from notre dame telling you okay you have to do this this and this you have

these sponsors that you have to like help out you have uh you know just all these different people in your ears telling you about what you need to do and it's a very confusing age for anybody and to have this happen on a national media level probably fucked with his head quite a bit do you guys think that uh is he is he still a little bit guarded because he has to be distrustful of everybody right now he still has to have you know some sort of uh trust issue i think like we got Manta had a really great time, which is like his NFL career is winding down. And he's like, I get asked about this constantly. It's still like not a week goes by where people don't bring it up. Someone wants to talk about it with me. And so I think we got him in a really interesting

time and place where he's like, look, I just like, let me just talk. Let me just tell my whole story like warts and all. Like I want to get this out and out of me one time and give one definitive interview on this, the good, the bad, the ugly and people can decide how they feel about it. And he really gives like this almost remarkable monologue at the end of the whole doc where it's just this unfiltered, like raw emotion of everything this story means to him, how it has affected him since. And it's a seriously powerful moment that I think audiences are going to walk away with a really interesting insight into how this affected Manti and how it affects them even in today. Yeah, I mean, it sounds fascinating. Congratulations on getting the interview too,

because like you said, I think if you were to ask any sports documentary maker, like, what do you want? What story do you want to do a documentary on? This is probably like across the board, people's number one or two. So you talked about how long the process was. What was that like building enough rapport with him where he felt like he was in a position to trust you? I would imagine that malice at the palace, which was fantastic, by the way. If you haven't watched that, go back and watch it. Great story. You guys did a great job with it. I would imagine having a track record and having something that you could put out and be like look what we did with these people look we did this this person specifically like this is how we treat people that is that like the

major differentiator yeah absolutely and like so much credit goes to our directors on this episode uh ryan duffy and tony too like um we had like started building relationship with naya and like tony and ryan like really um works with with with with man to build that that that that relationship full of trust. And listen, it's not like a necessarily easy ask. This isn't like it's easy when you want to go interview people at length about the time they scored the game winning touchdown or hit the three point shot that won then the NBA championship. Not so asking them like, well, we're going to talk about a pretty painful and a moment in your life that had like a pretty traumatic impact on your life. But yeah, I think like untold has created a bit of like a and

honestly like podcasts in general too. Long form sit down conversations. this kind of world that we all work in so to degree has, like, shown athletes the benefit of talking at length in full context about the things that happened to them in their entire life. And so the promise we make them is like, listen, we're going to ask for days from you, two, three, four, and a few days. It's a big time commitment. But just know on our end, it takes us like two years to make these things. And like, we'll put a team in place and we'll have everyone like work on these documentaries

day and day out to make them as good as they possibly can be. And so I think that that's like a pitch that resonates with like a lot of athletes. They realize the hard work that goes into it. And they're usually like on board from that from that moment on. Yeah, I think you're right. I think podcasting and in documentaries, they have been a net benefit to athletes that want to get their stories out there. The only time they ever get in trouble is if they go on a podcast and then somebody like

takes a one sentence clip out of what they said. And then they make like a quote card and then put that quote card out online completely devoid of any content. I remember the first time we interviewed Adam Morrison on part of my take and he said like kind of jokingly like I have an apocalypse bunker and so we made one of those because we thought it was funny and the next thing

we knew it was like massive national news and we felt bad we weren't trying to fuck you on that but then it was good for us because then we get to have them back on and be like now you get to dispel the rumor about the apocalypse bunker on our podcast we double dip for the ratings but yeah I think it's been good Big T

you have any questions for him? Yeah so this This story is obviously a little more sports adjacent, but it involves sports. You all mentioned Malice of the Palestinian. I also made battered bastards of baseball, which is one of my favorite documentaries I've ever watched. So what do you all find about sports and how they relate to people that make good stories and documentaries like that? Yeah, I think like the interesting thing about athletes is like they don't care what you think about them. They don't care what your opinions are of them. they've been, like, raised and trained from a very young age for a singular purpose,

which is, like, to be the best that they can be at this one athletic pursuit, you know? And I think, like, it makes for, like, a very raw and vulnerable interview where, like, they're not second-guessing how someone going to interpret this, how some, what's someone going to think about me. It's just like, here's my story. Like, you deal with it. If you like me, you don't like me. I don't really give a shit.

Like, this is kind of what I experienced and what I went through. And so I think, like, we've just found, like, a lot of interesting conversations. talking to athletes about that. I think Mack and I also were like, love sports growing up, weren't very good at sports, but we love the competition. We love, like,

I love the simplicity of, like, competition. One person's going to win at the end of the day, and it's less cerebral, which I think is kind of like a really cool outlet, and we've always just had, like, a massive passion for sports. And I think we just find, like, a lot of interesting off-field, off-ice,

off-port stories, too, that these athletes find themselves in. So I think the combination of all those things is kind of where we find like really, really thrilling stories. And you guys don't have any relationships with the leagues themselves, right? It's completely separate. Like Netflix had, I don't think they have a partnership with the NFL at least. They don't have a partnership with baseball.

Have you had any pushback from anyone representing any of the leagues that you've covered being like, hey, if you could frame this or take this one part out or we really don't like you talking about this one issue? no one's pushed back it's been like incredible and i really think untold is possible like i mean we we we've we've been making documentaries for netflix since the very first one we did bad or bastards of baseball but i really don't think that this series is like possible to go do the tim dony story for instance like at other places and to us it's like what allows untold to be special and what attracts us as filmmakers is like being able to like as cliches it

sounds like exercise your fundamental First Amendment rights to like be critical of situations to add analysis to like not worry about really stepping on toes that doesn't mean like we're reckless and we're doing like hit pieces left and right we're just trying to kind of call shots as we see them and make like interesting story tell interesting stories but um as far as like these being like necessarily authorized by um the leagues or really sanctioned by even the storytellers themselves like all final decisions rests in our hands, and we wouldn't really have it any other way, to be honest. Yeah, I think that's the best way to do it.

I've always thought that a great documentary, or for a while I thought it was going to write a musical about this team, but a great sports documentary would be the Florida Gators with Tim Tebow, Riley Cooper, Aaron Hernandez, the Pouncey Twins. Cam Newton, Percy Harvin, and Urban Meyer. Ryan Locti was on campus at the time, and Dan Bilsarian was on campus, all at the same time down in Gainesville

there's some shit that you can get into with that one but yeah congratulations on making this one Billy do you have another question last question huge fan of crimes and penalties I think that was my favorite from volume one definitely check it out if you haven't all of Untold Stories volume one

but you guys also did Wild Wild Wild Country which is a documentary about a guru but have you ever seen the documentary now spoof of it. What did you guys think of that? Because I thought it was awesome. Bat Shit Valley, I think, was the name.

Yeah. It was the name of the spoof. Obviously, we're huge documentary fans, so we're huge fans of documentary now. And I remember driving down the 405, and I saw a billboard of Owen Wilson dressed as O'Sho, and it said, Bat Shat Valley. And I was like, what the hell is going on? It was a trip, and we watched

and we laughed our asses off. Those guys had she used to. I was like, like, to the degree that we've had a career, the fact that documentary now did that it was just like it's such a feels like a crowning achievement of sorts but the president and Bill Hader is so goddamn funny what they do

and like we we shot like a lot of aerial for like wow wow country which you like see in a lot of docs but dude they matched some of our shit so goddamn well that it like absolutely like tickled me the death and like the score and the music like they did a phenomenal

like they're not just making fun of it and teasing it which like they did and that was hilarious but like the actual craft behind like what they did is like so admirable it was like it was truly just like so fun to watch that yeah that's awesome yeah the uh the drone footage and documentaries has become a real godsend i would imagine for you guys it's like so so easy to get good establishing shots that just that set things up nicely but i know you have another commitment right now so we're going to let you go but everybody out there go check it out untold volume two it's the girlfriend who didn't exist it's a two-parter uh as you mentioned it's directed by ryan duffy and and Tony Vianuku? Venuku. Okay, check it out. It comes out Tuesday, August 16th, 2022 on Netflix.

It's going to be great. I can't wait to see it. I can't wait to watch all the documentaries that you guys put out. You do fantastic work. So it's Chapman and McLean Way. Thank you guys for joining us on macrodosing. Anything else you guys want to say? No, we're super excited.

We got three more episodes also coming out after the girlfriend who didn't exist. We got the Tim Donahy NBA referee scandal coming out August. August 30th, August 23rd, we're doing the rise and fall of and one streetball, which is a really, really interesting look in what happened there. And September 6th, we've got probably one of the greatest underdog stories in the history of sport on the 1983 America's Cup yacht race, which is maybe lesser known, but going to be a wild one. You guys, I don't know how you guys figure out which documentaries to make what subjects,

but you pick perfect ones for me. Like, I'll say, if you're 37 years old listening to this, these are right up your rally. Like, this is exactly what I want to see. I'm so pumped to watch all of these. Yeah, so thank you guys very much for joining us. Good luck with everything. Thanks, thanks. Super fun.

All right. Bye, guys. Anybody got anything else, man? We'll wrap this thing up. This is a beautiful conversation. Get to the interview with Chapman and McLean Way, the guys who made the anti-tayor documentary. I'm very excited to watch that.

Same. Yeah. My girlfriend has no idea. I sent her the trailer. I was like, this thing's going to be awesome and she had no idea any of the story at all. I wish I could read. And I was like, oh, and then we're. Definitely watching it.

Yeah, what a story. All right. I'm definitely going to check that thing out, man. Yeah, thank you, Large and KB for coming and pretending to be PFT and Billy for the day. Thank you guys for having. That was PFT. Yeah. Always welcome back on the pot.

This is fun. Big fan of y'all. Large, you're my guy, man. Thanks, baby. We'll get to a fight. But I got to be honest with you. If you're not going to dress up, you're not coming. Fuck you.

You have dressed up for me. You can't dress up. up, you're not going to a fight with me. That's what I'm saying. I'll put on, I'll put on some chucks. Oh, yeah, some chucks. Excellent. No, dust off.

Or we take him to a rough and rowdy. Something with seams. You know what I mean? Think about it. Think about it. Yeah, I'm thinking about it, man. You could take me out my comfort zone, baby. But then I'll be appreciated it.

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