Macrodosing: Arian Foster and PFT Commenter - Chris Hansen Takes A Seat With Macrodosing

Episode Date: May 11, 2023

On today’s episode the guys are joined by American television journalist and host of former Dateline segment, To Catch a Predator, Chris Hansen. Plus the guys get into George Santos’ arrest, golf, bear fights, turning your phone on airplane mode and a UFO sighting in Brazil. (00:00:36) George Santos (00:12:41) Golf (00:26:18) Airplane Mode (00:56:38) UFO Documentary (01:14:44) Movies (01:27:23) Voicemails (01:58:43) Chris HansenYou can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/macrodosing

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Must be 21 or older to purchase. Please use it responsibly. All right. Welcome back. It's macro dosing. Right off the bat, we have a new Woodward end or Bernstein on our hands. Who would have thought that out of everybody on this show, Billy Football, would be quoted in the Washington Post. Bill, you were quoted the Washington Post?

I'm not exactly sure about that, but one of the reporters have been using the clip of me saying he's definitely going to jail. A lot. I mean, I'm not the first person to say that. That he's definitely going to jail. But I think... You're the first person that I've heard say it. Yeah. I mean, basically, they actually was DMing with the guy. He said that we had one of the best interviews with him out of any media out. Wait, let's reset because we're using a lot of pronouns here, but we're not saying who we're talking about. George Santos has been indicted by the federal government. He has turned himself in, right? He got arrested officially today. Yes. And Billy was the first report that he would

be arrested after he came on the show. You also really dug into him with those questions, like how many people would you say work for your financial firm? Yeah. I mean, so I think you had a hand and put, actually Billy, Billy Loki snitched on George Santos. Yeah. Not snitching. We've establish that it's not snitching it's not a it's not in a crime syndicate good job billy thank you oh yeah that's right yep good point yep uh so when i was uh

so that's why the may fifth video with him didn't happen because he he knew that he was getting arrested like remember we planned for me to go out to meet with him yeah so that's why that actually reached out to him yeah that's why that thing didn't happen totally followed up and everything but he was like ah in an icky situation

I heard he was actually supposed to do a piece of content with someone else at this company yesterday the day he was arrested oh potentially a pizza review yeah yeah um so i i totally buy that but also when billy says things like i totally followed up with him and everything and we were set to do it on may 5th that makes me wonder exactly exactly if bill is using george santos's arrest as a convenient way to retroactively get out of doing work nope nope totally no but uh if you did look at his finance records basically i was looking at all the stuff and uh i i that's why i was asking him those questions basically he got into politics

to launder money from his Ponzi scheme that i asked him about a harbor city capital um because there was just two stories and no one could not that they couldn't connect it but they couldn't outwardly say it where it was like harbor city capital was a firm he was involved in with that was like Ponzi scheme we don't know where all his money came from those are two things that happened and it was kind of like well if there was only so many employees of harbor city capital he probably knew it was a Ponzi scheme and was probably in charge of laundering some of the money allegedly don't know if i can get in trouble for that but that's what i was trying to corner him on when he was on the green couch so he's under arrest right now and um you can you still

you can still run for office if you're under federal indictment right yeah we talked about you can run for office if you're in prison. In jail, yeah. The founding fathers insured of that because they wanted to make sure that there was no like unfair political dissidents and that, you know, the word of the people takes its turn in our leadership. That would actually be sick if we had a president that was in prison. Like Mandela would have gotten elected in prison in South Africa.

Yeah. If he could, but that was a terrible, that wasn't a free system. Someone like Mandela could easily get elected in America if we had a similar like political dissonance situation. I don't know, I don't know about like easily, but like possibly. That would be sick if somebody was in prison and they were having like, people would have to smuggle phones in and their butts to get the dude running it on the outside from the inside like a gang leader.

Well, I was going to say that was the one we talked about. Joe Exotic from prison. Yeah. Yeah, why not? He definitely has a bunch of guys who'd shove stuff up with their butts through him. Good one, Billy. It's good point, really. What are his actual charges?

Do we know? Yes. it's um theft of public funds so basically stealing from his campaign i think technically like from taxpayers and then it is money laundering and wire fraud the big one was that he was collecting unemployment while he was also being paid 120 grand a year by i i don't know exactly what but he was making 120 grand a year and also collecting unemployment here goes i found that His charge with seven counts of wire fraud, three counts of money laundering, and one count of theft of public funds. And two counts of making materially false statements to the House of Representatives.

There's some crazy quotes. Wait, wait, but he's in the House of Representatives. I'm saying. Is it against the law for a congressperson to lie to other Congress people? I don't think it must be when it probably has to do with something. He might have been questioned about something. Yeah, like on oath Like perjury, yeah

Wow, that sounds like It sounds like bad news for old Devil Dare Santos there, huh? For Mitt Rodney though, huh? Yeah, it also seems, I hadn't seen this till just now But Santos is charged with unemployment benefits fraud The House is slated to vote this week on a bill To help states recover fraudulent COVID unemployment payments

Santos is a co-sponsor of that bill. You remember you remember when he was like we were pressing him a little bit and he said well i've been cleared of all wrongdoing i'm not under any investigations whatsoever and then we're like well what about like all the all the check fraud and all that and he was like that's in the process of being cleared up right now besides that i'm not under any investigations he blamed it on the slow uh courts in i think brazil was it yes yeah he settled with them in court basically admitting he was guilty and just had to pay the person he defrauded, which I think was just someone working in a store that

he gave a bad check to, the money back. So he basically admitted in the court of law that he did steal something. And then on a green couch, he said, I've never stolen anything in my life. But he probably could have wiggled out of that one being like just to get this whole case to go away in Brazil. I admitted to it to pay it off. That's why I was so angry with like, I couldn't shake his hand because he's just like, you're obviously a liar. And like, don't Don't sit here and lie to me to my face, though. Like, I see, I was infuriating me at the time. And I was like, bro, come on, man.

It sucks because we're definitely going to have. I'm just upset that he didn't, I'm just upset he didn't wear the sweater vest on the show. It sucks that now more frauds won't come on the show because we got this one arrested. Yo, the macrodose and curse, man. It hits in different ways. Jimmy Carter is, is the, is the kryptonite tar macadocin curse. He is, that man's holding on. No, you know what?

He's beat it at this point. I don't know what I'm saying. I'm in the Jimmy Carter stay alive camp now. Let's go. Let's push for 110. Let's go. Yeah. Jimmy Carter, he's, he went into hospice like a year ago.

He's doing the thing, man. We definitely need crystals. That's been on me. I dropped the ball on the crystals. Let's go get crystals. That's okay. It's okay if you drop the ball on those. It's not a good, like, people are going to stop coming on this show, though.

Because you end up dead or in jail. No, no, if we mention you, you die. Yes. No, the show. Jail. Well, we should just try to interview people that are about to go to jail. I'm actually interested to hear people say things, like, about the preparations that they take before they go to prison. There's probably a lot of stuff that you have to do.

Oh, I don't know, maybe start working out a bunch. You got to find the Ted Nugent and you just don't shower for a while. Find the dumbest reporter at the New York Times to come follow you around for a week. yeah there's a guy I worked with and he had to go to jail for like a fraud thing and he just like worked out he did steroids he got in really good shape and then he had a big party before he went that would be a fun party yeah what was he what was he what was he going for some sort of fraud didn't really get into it but basically I think he wasn't paying his taxes and just getting paid in cash mm that'll do it yeah

what would you do big t if you knew that you're going to go to prison like a month from today june yeah let's see it's may 11 so june 11 you know you have to report to a federal penitentiary what do you do i don't know i would almost i couldn't handle that i'd rather just go like i couldn't handle having a couple months or whatever to just think about it i would i would rather just go now yeah just put just throw me in a van and take me away like I if sitting there for a month being like like like you know if you have something coming up that you're just like fuck I don't want to do that I know what I would do I would make all sorts of plans like I would tell all my friends I was going to go to like their kids rehearsals I was

going to do everything I was going to just show up to all these appointments I would make a bunch of appointments and shit and then knowing that I was going to go to prison and wouldn't have to go to them I would just be like piece them out no you don't show up and then they'd be like that's why he's in jail Yeah, he's just a bad person. He should be in jail. Yeah. I would definitely get in shape.

I would definitely get in shape of workout. And then, yeah, just party. I have a whole bunch of drugs and alcohol. We just have a good time. Send me off the right way for like three days, just straight, like on a yacht or some shit. You know what I mean? Like, you enjoy this freedom.

It also depends on how long I'm going for, too. That's kind of what Andrew Tate did before he went. He was just on a yacht for three weeks. I got arrested. Arian, if you went, actually, you should get back in the acting game and just put your name out there if they're interested in doing another longest yard, starring Arian Foster. I'm in,000% in it.

Did you watch the last two? Did not. It's good. Stone Cold was in the last one, actually. He played one in prison dogs. I heard, I know Nellie was in it. I heard he was the running back actually because he was, people send me clips about he kind of moved a little bit good movie yeah

yeah great movie yeah great movie nelly made a nice little career for himself from like i want to say 2003 until 2018 or so where he would just show up and play in every celebrity all-star game it didn't matter what sport it could have been basketball football baseball he was always there and he was always like the best celebrity that was playing yeah i heard he was an athlete i never really seen him play do they still do that the celebrity all-star game is that still in basketball yeah in baseball too

Jack Harlow was the last person I remember people were going off about Jay Cole was before that well Jay Cole like played professional basketball after that for a minute oh yeah professional stretch did he play semi-pro

yeah that's professional he's getting paid I just want to throw it out there if anybody wants to invite me to participate in a Celebrity All-Star game, I will say no, but then I'll let Billy do it for me. So if you want to ask, I'll pass that down to Billy. Why are you, why are you stuck on making commitments and not following through, man? There's two comments in a row.

You got to jail? You guys don't want to do? No, I'm just saying that, like, playing in a Celebrity All-Star game, it sounds like something that would be fun to do if you're a little bit younger. but as you get older you run that risk of if I went out there and tried to play in like a flag football game and actually tried really hard, I guarantee you there would be like an Achilles that would just get torn

and then I'd be done and so I just I would just pass that along to somebody else to do. I'll be down with a football one if it was a quarterback other than that I'm not running and sprinting this shit Oh I just You play quarterback? Yeah, yeah I just got invited to play in a

proam for the live tour Yeah, but I can't make it I think it's this Thursday But I can't make it But he said the next one that they do They definitely don't hollet me I was like bet let's do it Do you get a bag

That's awesome Nah they I mean it's like all expense paid Like they fly you out Put you up in the hotel That shit In Dubai? In America or

No this one was not This one was in America yeah Who were you gonna play with? They said they were gonna put me like With like I think Brooks Kepka And like there was another dude there was like you know what saying you'll be with the top player and I was like that's cool

I was like I didn't request any of this shit out this and they were just like we'll do it and I was like what's up I'm definitely down to do it but I couldn't do it this week that's amazing dude why what else do you go no I can't play go fucking I got fucking kids yeah true it's like what could possibly be in your way right Aaron can you can you can you see if if Hank can play that's how Hank's dream is to play on the live tour. My dream, too. Actually, no, Hank wants to play on the corn fairy.

I want to play on the live tour, but Hank would love to do that. Corn Ferry is like a real, like, that's how you get in the PGA, so I think, right? It's like one of the, I can qualify for that, yeah. I'm on the corn fairy tour on PGA right now. I'm in the finals. If I finish, I think, like, top five in this, I get my PGA tour card. Oh, you guys go. Do you guys know all the weird, the weird rules of golf that can get you to squal

I mean, not all. I don't know if I know all. Yeah, well, it turns out this like, all the rules of football. This amateur, like, college player, Jerry Thornt blogged about it, like, got disqualified after shooting a 62 on a course. Oh, yeah. What happened? So he was repairing divot marks on error-rated greens, and apparently that's not allowed.

See, that's the issue I have a golf. If they got a bunch of silly fucking rules like that, that turns the people away from the game. like there's no point in that shit just let like let him off with a war like to disqualify you shot the 62 bro it's just a silly silly there's a whole bunch like there was um let me think of one i think there was one where a dude they were in a playoff and a dude one of the groundskeepers or somebody was like hey you want to ride to the to the to the to the i think it's the 18th and he's like yeah and so they gave him a ride to the 18th and they disqualified him because he got a ride and i'm like like that's shit

goofy man what is an air you got to be smarter than that though you got to be smarter than to hop into a golf cart and aerated green is um sometimes they they roll these devices over the greens and create a lot of little holes in them to let them breathe out and let some of the water escape i think is why they do it so it's like golf course maintenance and they do it a few times a year they usually don't play tournaments on it that's what's weird it's like if you know that there's going to be turned at there. He even told on himself, though. That's the weirder part about golf today.

It's like, they'd be diving themselves out. And he was like, I wouldn't be able to sleep at night if I didn't, you know, if I didn't turn myself in. You know, I have a feeling of crying. You know what? From a different claw, like, I, like, yo, like, we was growing up. It was like, yo, if you get caught, you get caught. Like, if you, if you ain't cheating, you ain't trying, is how we do.

Like, get every competitive advantage is available. This sounds like he cheated doing something else. And now that's what he's saying he got, he, he disclosed. qualified himself for no no golfers are like there's such nerds no this is definitely but also it gets you like it gets you uh some what's the word i'm looking for like social credit some social credit yeah uh if you uh if you are a golfer and you like turn yourself in for the smallest technicality and you're like the game's bigger than me i just like to say that yeah i cheated like we would not be talking about this guy's 62 that he shot yeah but we are talking about the fact that he's so

honest that he got disqualified what's this guy hiding that's my question I'm with that I'm with that I don't matter of fact didn't be them all like fucking all American like

like do everything like they be they'd be the ones with bodies in their closet bro yeah yeah doing everything correct yeah you're human bro black mirror social credit score

his social just went up on his phone he's like whoa yeah he's gonna get a discount on his next apartment that's one of the worst compliments I hate in sports when people are like what a class act what a classy like shut the fuck

it's just so weak bro I don't know I'm a pessimist though I know people in here I'm like me's just negative like no fuck that shit fuck class well it's for losers I want supposed to be violent I want sports to be violent and aggressive and you're supposed to not like each other fuck all that oh

dude you're going to love this video I saw dude this is the greatest bear fight video i've ever seen and if if you're looking for that how'd you get there how'd you get there no if you like humans playing basketball wait till you see bears fight no this is the greatest bear fight video i've ever seen in my life i and i blogged several bear fight videos like oh i know like 25 plus because i was putting them all in the bear fight video blog this is the greatest i've ever seen all right give us the background man uh well two bears just met up uh after hunting salmon and they'd beef like where were they at oh alaska missions like come on fam what kind of bears are they

okay so the two grizzly bears uh this is bad podcasting because it's a video um but two grizzly bears you know they're eating salmon then this young grizzly bear little undersized but you can tell he's got a little like you know a little cocky little pep in his step he rolls up on a big old grizzly bear that you can tell is like just a veteran way more grizzled and they start going at it and what's weird about this bear fight is that it goes on for so long and this older grizzly bear just gives him totally like all the work like puts him down like and the thing is this is like if you watch grizzly videos when they're fighting usually it ends at about 30 seconds to a minute. This went five minutes. The young guy wouldn't stand down and the older grizzly bear like

mauled like really tore him apart. And okay. So once again, what does this have to do with being classy in competition? Well, he said I like my sports to be violent. Like this is the most violent bear fight ever seen. So I'm watching the bear fight. What I like about it at first is these two bears roll up to each other and they do the thing where they pretend that they just don't see each other. Yeah. They're both trying to be so dominant that they won't even. can look at the other bear and then yeah i mean they've got these guys are athletes straight up god this is why i don't go out and don't camp and shit bro look at these niggas man dude they go at it they're in they go stand up ground and pound one time uh uh the older bear gets back

gets a back mount and i'm seeing the back mount and he's just biting the shit out of him And the first bear is just trying to calmly walk, walk away. And the other bear is just hanging on to his back with his teeth. He's got to roll. Isn't it interesting how, like, genetically, it's just passed on how to fight? Like, they don't train. You know what I mean? Like, they just know how to fight.

Like, if humans don't come out of the womb knowing how to fight, we're actually one of the weakest species physically. And it's like, they just got it. They just born with it. They woke up like that. But also, humans don't have that dog. If you look at a baby, a baby, I think in humans, I'm trying to think if there's a,

another animal out there that needs so much time like being taken care of being, you know, helpless and needing like a full-time assistant to get around. Because I think most animals, a lot of them, they're just ready to go. Like birds, they have to learn how to fly, yeah. Birds.

But you see a horse. Horses walk. But their moms be like, it is what it is. Go, go. You die if you don't fly. It is what it is. Yeah. Sea turtles.

You see a horse. See turtles got to come back to the crib. You know what I mean? They're born outside, but they got to come back. Like, good luck. you see a horse get born that thing falls out and starts running around it's crazy maybe maybe we need to be harder on babies no but i'm okay with that the evolutionary advantage is because we're so helpless in a lot like our brains are kind of at a more infantile state as well which is a better

learning state so we are better learners throughout our life and that's why we're able to learn so much more you made that you made that up no i read it somewhere i can't exact i think it read it in sapiens so babies i've read that book a long time i don't remember that part but babies babies are they give their brain well i mean what because they don't make sense because the brains and the baby comes out half baked as opposed to like earlier ape species that came out like you know being able to climb around i'll be right but i don't but because they're half like their their brain's still like forming and learning like faster let's unpacked that a little bit. Do you think that babies

because they're nurtured and as a child you grew up receiving so much love from people under a lot of circumstances that you then become more empathetic and that's why other animals don't have that they've got more of that killer instinct because they weren't shown love when they were grown up.

Animals love though. I mean elephants love I think elephants are one of the longest ones that stay with their parents. Yeah. Yeah, where are the parents in the animal community? We should start asking them that question.

We're the fathers. Where are the fathers? That's why sea turtles don't give a shit. And they just, they live their lives in solitude. But they last the longest. They last like, what, 150 years, 20 years? Yeah, sometimes they last a little bit longer than that. There was a, there's a tortoise name Lonesome George.

and I was supposed to meet him and then he died before the day I was going to meet him down in the Galapagos so it was very sad. He fucked his way out of extinction, right? No, no, he was the last of his kind. That's what made it so sad. He was like a celebrity tortoise.

He was a giant tortoise and he was the longest living tortoise in the world and he was the last of his kind and they couldn't get him to fuck. They tried everything they could, but he wouldn't do it. So he just lived in isolation for his entire life and then I was going to meet him

and he was like 160 years old or something and then he died the day before. going to meet them that stuck that's kind of cool actually yeah made me feel bad it was like with my chopped liver yeah no r p the lonesome george i'm pretty sure you brought a couple hybrids uh with other island tortoises yeah i think you might be thinking of different tortoises that were in captivity that they've tried to there are several different types of tortoises in the glopagos that they they almost all went extinct and then they started to crossbreed some of them and develop like pretty similar types of honestly if you've seen one giant tortoise you've probably

seen them all the difference is just like i don't know like a little corner of their shell or something that's slightly different yeah lonesome george mating attempts had been unsuccessful yeah but he was an energy they said that he might have been part of the uh some of the float they found him floating in the ocean uh that charles darwin like actually found and captured It's a possibility, although the giant tortoises, I don't think they swim much. They're just, those are the ones that are land-based. No, no, they would just float to other islands when they needed to. Yeah, that's how they spread across all the islands.

They'd, like, hop, they would kind, they wouldn't really swim that well. They'd just kind of float with the current and end up somewhere. Have I told the story of how those tortoises went extinct? Yeah, people would eat them. Yeah, they eat them. They just put them upside down on the boat. That's how they would. Yeah.

I don't think you told the story, though. I didn't hear any. I haven't heard. So, so these giant tortoises, they're like, they're massive. They're almost like the size of a Volkswagen beetle. Maybe a little bit smaller than that, but like, let's say half the size of a beetle. And they just walk around like dinosaurs and they look like dinosaurs. They're super slow, but nobody fucks with them because they got their shell.

But all the explorers, when they were going back to Europe, they had to go by sea. And so it would take them forever to get back. And they wanted to have food for the ride back. So they'd capture a bunch of them. these tortoises and then put them on the on the boat and flip them upside down and because they were upside down on the back of their shell they wouldn't die because they've got this metabolism that's just crazy where they can survive without eating or really doing anything for a long time so they would stay alive on the journey back but their meat wouldn't spoil because they were still alive and so it was

just like having like a snack that was going to be ready in three months whenever you wanted to eat it although there was this live giant tortoise that was on its back the entire time and you know I've never had tortoise meat before. You know, it's pretty crazy. One of the reasons they never evolved to be able to turn themselves over is because they would always be in groups and another one would always flip it over. Oh, that's cool.

Yeah. Teamwork. I am my brother's keeper. Yeah. Hey, I got a question for you guys because I experienced something. I've been flying back and forth from D.C. to New York for the last couple weeks. And I feel like we travel a lot at Barclays. Russell. I've traveled a lot over the last like seven years. I still don't have a TSA precheck, which is just sheer laziness on my part. But I got clear. And so I got to the airport yesterday and I realized I left my wallet at home. And so I didn't have ID or anything. But with clear, you can get in, whatever. But there's not a lot that can surprise me when you're traveling. I was on a plane yesterday coming back to DC. And the flight attendant gets on the loudspeaker as we're still at the gate. And he's like, you guys need to all.

turn your cell phones off and you know you hear that spiel they i think they're required to give that speech to you but nobody turns the cell phones off anymore nobody puts their phones in airplane mode anymore in airplane right wait you guys you guys never do that i don't do you don't you don't have to put it in airplane mode i i don't put your phone in airplane mode big t only when i fly national rule follower wait wait wait whoa whoa or do you not have to i thought they could like tell if you didn't no no no man no Does it work? Do you have like a signal?

No. When you put it in an airplane mode, you're not connecting to data. You're not connecting to anything. It's just whatever you have stored on your phone. If you have like podcasts or music, don't mansplain airplane mode to me. I'm asking, do you have a signal when you're in the air? I live my life in an airplane. So then why would you, why does it matter?

It matters if you're traveling over country lines and you get roaming fees. That's where it matters But I was a state like this And this is by a pilot So like we was in We was actually traveling my Junior year We went to

Cal And I had just had a good game And so pilots knew who I was And I was like yo let me sit up Let me sit up front During the middle of the flight And he was like yeah come on So I'm sitting up front

Why are flying and shit And he explaining all these little gadgets to them and shit And I was like hey yo That cell phone thing Like what's up with that? It's like, does that fuck with y'all radar? Like, why do y'all do that? He's like, he said, that's bullshit.

He's like, they just do that so that people pay attention to the safety regulations. That's what he told me. That's what he told me. I don't know how truthful it, but like, and everything, like, when you go on, like, team planes, like team for sports, there are no rules being followed. They don't fucking check TSA. You can bring whatever you want on that, bitch. They don't, well, I take their bag.

They do run your bags through security. But, like, it's just so the, the securities lacks. Everybody seat back. Everybody got phones, tablets, speakers blasting, different sections. It's a party. I guess my question is, what is the benefit to not putting it in airplane mode if you don't have a signal anyway? You can catch a couple of straight text messages coming through every now again. Yeah.

Most airlines have free texting now anyway. When you in the air, but it don't turn on until you're a certain height, like the Wi-Fi. So like when you in the air, like when you first taking off, you can still have a signal, but then you lose it and then probably two, three minutes later, they turn on the Wi-Fi and you can switch. Quick question. I'll tell you the reason, I'll tell you the reason why I stopped using airplane mode was because one time I was on a flight and I sent an email right before I took off, and then I immediately put my phone into airplane mode. I land. I take it out of airplane mode and I open up my email. For whatever reason, it sent this email, the exact same email, five times

in a row to this person. So I looked like a psycho. And so I'm like, fuck that. I'm not doing airplane mode anymore. Quick question for those who fly private, do you have to go through security? No. No, you don't. Not that I've flown private, but you don't. No, you don't.

So like, not even like even if you're flying to another country, I don't know about that. I feel like I've never flown private over, over country lines before. I still don't think so. I think you just have to go through customs still, though. Yeah. Yeah, they'd probably scan your bag at customs. But when you go private, I think every now and again, if the cops wanted to, they could show up and check your shit. If they had reason to believe that you might have something on your plane.

Oh, so like Juice World? Yeah. So when you're flying from Tierborough to Rough and Rowdy, like you don't get checked for anything? No, you just show up. it's actually I always used to say like I'm never going to fly private fuck that I'll fly coach I'm I'm a coach's son out there I'll stay in the back with a common like I'm a common man you know and then I flew private one time because we're flying to this one airport that was super tiny and there was no other option so I I showed up like 15 minutes before the flight you just

walk onto the plane then you just walk off and I'm like okay yeah this is this is awesome I get can I ask you a question Billy are you going to rough and rowdy this week no oh i thought billy was asking those questions it sounded like he was trying to figure out how late he could get to the airport tomorrow took over rough and rowdy no rough and rowdy makes sense for a as a business expense to fly so many people private because the way to get there especially uh not charleston charlestown west virginia is so remote and requires the like three flights to get there as yeah it only makes sense but it only made sense for flying For me, if it was like five dudes, five other dudes on there, and like, we all split the cost.

Because it's like 20 grand and you got to pay for all of that shit, like gas, all that shit. And so it's like, it doesn't make no sense. Like, I could always afford it, but I was like, I'd rather just fly comfortably. And plus, little plane turbulence, bruh, fuck that shit. Little plane turbulence is different. I'm not, I'm not with that. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, someone died like a month ago.

See? And all, most. private chat. I would say most plane crashes. I would say 99% of plane crashes. Don't quote me on that are from smaller planes, though. A hundred percent. Yeah. Commercial commercial planes just rarely ever fly because they got to go through different regulations and stuff like that. In private planes, you just, nah, man, I can't do it. I say, I seen video this one dude. A little Duval posted a little Duval. He like flies all the time. Little Duval, he's a comedian. He flies all the time. And he was posting this one video of a similar plane that he has and this dude is just flying

and all of a sudden shit just goes haywire and this dude crashes and he landed it safely but it's like that shit would give me a heart attack I'd die before I hit the ground my grandfather was a bush pilot in Alaska and when I was little I always wanted to fly planes I wanted to be a pilot and like fly little planes and I was obsessed with like Cessnas and all those so I was talking about my grandfather one day was like I really want to fly a plane one day like you and he was like no you're not allowed to fly planes out of the five guys I flew with in Alaska three of them died in a plane yeah Alaska is the most dangerous state by far to fly plane in yeah it's like super super dangerous those guys are are insane even if you're like a private

plane pilot in Alaska if you're flying is it the wind senators and shit yeah it's a combination of the weather uh the terrain you get like a lot of clouds and shit that cover up some of the mountains um yeah there's a lot of combination of all that sort of thing you're also sometimes landing in creeks with what like water planes like there's a lot of ice on the runways a lot of ice on the wings a lot of just weather variables for the most part but it's super super dangerous to fly plane in Alaska there's fucking bears yeah everybody crash stories about bears taking out planes you crash you crash plane into a bear The bears have anti-aircraft.

That's why as a country we need to collectively band together and bolster our train systems because trains are the superior way to travel all day, every day, though. Trains are just better, though. Do you prefer privatized land ownership or comfy train travel? Because that's what it's all about. Yeah. It's not a one or the other building. I mean, if we can just allow the government to start just taking private land to build these big train systems, I mean, we're getting up a lot of rights.

You actually can. It's going to the eminent domain, and I think it's in the Constitution. I don't think of who you're talking to either. It's talking to somebody who doesn't like privatization, fam. I know, but think about it. I have thought about it. Like, what if they want to buy your house and put a goddamn railroad through it? What do you think they do with roads all the time? My grandpa got his farm tip like that.

That sucks. I compensate it. Yeah. It's just, I mean, Billy, if you look at all the roads that get built and interstate. You don't own shit. I think that's the biggest thing. People think that you actually, you don't own shit. You live in America with America.

Loki for America. You don't own this shit. They can do whatever they want to do. Soon as you realize that, soon you get over it. You don't own shit. You don't own it. Get over. Yeah.

But think about Billy I like to believe that I own shit Yeah you yeah believe it You can believe it Just let me believe it At the end of the day It's like Santa Claus Just let me believe it

If the government's like I want to take Billy's barn Because I want to build a high speed rail From New York City up to Montreal Or whatever They can take that barn And all the chickens And what

Government can take your dog Billy No that's fucking terrible I wish they would take everybody's dope. That'd be sick if we had a dog army. If the dog got enlisted and drafted. Put them on the front line. We do have a dog army.

Chaps. Chaps had a dog that was in the army and would fight terrorists. That's pretty awesome. I don't think you have a dog army of an army dog. Yeah. Once you put them all together, it's a dog army. Is why do you learn of this? Based on their like,

alphanists they get different ranks in the army and the privates have to listen to the sergeants and shit what would be the best I don't know enough about Breeze what would be the best well I guess they would serve different purposes right yeah yeah yeah you'd have

I would say like the Belgian Malinois yeah I think Chaps had one of those that would probably be like the general because they're the smartest but they're also crazy they're like they're the Navy SEALs they're the tip of the spear they're so scared yeah they're probably what's the wisest dog

that like based on vibes like bulldog yeah like Winston Churchill Winston Churchill English bulldog but they're not I don't think they're actually that smart they just know they look smart

when you dress them up and Oh bloodhound Bloodhound bloodhound bloodhound I was going to say a hound of some sort Like a great Dane I feel like a great Dane is like That's a good one Is like General Patton

Yeah um they're not they're not super smart they're i guess they're like average intelligence they're way too inbred that they're just dumb dumb yeah uh the just a bunch of muts i yeah just send mutts out those are the marines yeah you just call our marines mutts billy no but like so it sounds like yeah that's what i heard you thought you were they they would they would understand what i'm saying they they know their mutts is which those I mean, they call themselves, it's, it's, uh, I don't think I'm allowed to call them this, but they commonly refer to themselves as crayon eaters.

Stolen Fowler. Crayon. You just use the seward. I think, I think I think I just, if I. It's okay. They refer to themselves as that. Yeah. What, what is the, why?

I think other people. Why? Well, why. I'm legitimately fucked up by that. Why do they call themselves? It's like, it's like when they're in kindergarten, they were eating crayons, so they enlisted them in the Marines. Yeah, but they call them, they called them. It's like, it's a term of endearment. I'm pretty sure.

Don't quote, Marines eat crayons is a catchphrase used in jokes to mock the intelligence of United States Marine Corps members who are sometimes called crayon eaters by other branches of the military. Should we ask Kate if you, if that's an end up time? But like, they like, they took it on as like, yeah, we're crayon eaters. Ha ha. They, they've reclaimed the C word. Yeah. Yeah, they reclaimed it. Wait, but Billy, you can't use it with a hard R at the end.

Crayon Edis. Oh, that made it worse. I'm going, uh, I might, should I FaceTime Chaps? Yes. Is he a Marine? Yeah, Kate, Kate, yeah, Kate's Marine, isn't she? No, there, I think they're done. Was in Chaps Army?

Kate was Marine. Oh, Chaps was in the Marines. Chaps is a Marine. And so was Chaps. Oh, yeah. Call Chaps. Yeah, uh, I'll call Chaps. that's actually wow

let's see if Billy's allowed to say this I've never heard of it but it's always been derogatory I've never heard it I see no I'm pretty sure they reclaimed it like yeah where we're the like roughest bunch like everyone else they might have but I don't know if you can say it

I don't think I can say it at all you did several times hey chaps hey you're on you're on macro dosing right now um Billy football was just talking about we're talking about dogs in different ranks that they'd have in the Marines and in the military and Billy referred to the Marines as being cran eaters and I didn't know if Billy was allowed

to say that or if that was just something that Marines said to or if that was some that other people said about Marines to make fun of them yeah that's stolen baller from Billy once again we can't say it's something that we say about each other and two we has no idea what we're talking about dogs don't have ranks dogs don't have ranks dogs don't have ranks but we're saying like if they made an army out of dogs if there was a dog army what what ranks would it have what rank would the dogs have like yeah like which breeds for what for example breed would be in which role okay so general i go tank sports though they're just big and powerful and strong um i think for a star major you would have a great

Dane because they're scary too, they're big, but they would take care of the troops ultimately. I think infantry would be Belgian Malinwas because they'll just go in and wreck ship. You would need a forwarded Zerber, one of the smartest dogs and also very

fast underrated. Dalmatians are very smart. And probably for a sniper, I would pick like at Dotson, because they can go into many environments. They're brown and they would go in undetected. I love that. I love the idea of a tiny little sniper docks.

Also, you look very handsome, Chaps. Thank you. I love wearing lavender. Yeah. You look nice. Good haircut, too. Oh, thanks. I got to shave it, actually, again. I'm going to try in my shower for the first time. So it's going to be a crazy afternoon over here. All right. Well, good luck with that. All right. Thanks. I appreciate it. Thank you, Chaps. Bye.

You're welcome. Bye. PFT, real quick. Can you say the word again that's the thing. that you color with? Kran. Ha! Oh, I hate it. I hate it. You pronounce shit funny.

Ha. Gotcha. How do you say it? It's crayon. Some people say crayon. Crayon. It's a two-syllable word. Anyway, I just wanted to...

That's neither here nor there. Gotcha. Back to the start. Back to the start of the entire discussion, airplane mode. So I put my phone into airplane mode, right? Right. We really took a hard turn there. Well, I actually didn't put my plane into airplane mode, but the person was very direct about saying you have to put your phone into airplane mode or turn it off.

He actually said, please turn your phones off. And I just kind of ignored it because I've heard the spiel before. Five, ten minutes passes. We're still at the gate, getting ready to back out. And he gets back on the speaker. He goes, I'm being very serious. You have to turn your phones off. I need to see everybody on this plane turn the power off on their phones. you can't be using your phone until after we take off.

I'll let you know when it's safe to do that. So I turned my phone off and I'm like, this guy is not fucking around. Yeah, he did. He did. In fact, the dude that was sitting across the aisle for me, he didn't turn his phone off. And I was about to raise my hand and be like, teacher. Don't do that. This guy's on Tinder right now.

He set a search radius to 10 yards and he's just hitting sup to everybody on the plane. No, I didn't do that. But I thought about it. And then the flight attendant comes around and the flight attendant's like, you have to turn your phone off and just straight up tells the dude. And the guy's like, oh, okay. And then we take off and he's like, okay, you can turn your phones back on. That flight attendant completely alphaed the shit out of everybody on that plane.

I don't know why. I've never had that happen before. But I was scared that something bad was. I was scared that the plane was going to blow up. Yeah. That would have made me concerned for being on that plane if like having your phones on was going to cause something. if it's that tenuous that there's some sort of signal or something that's going to fuck the plane up.

If whether or not we all live or die is based on the honor system of 73 other people, we're fucked. Yeah, you did. But see, this is my advice to people with the little bit of authority that whatever establishment give me. If you go be a dick about you,

let people know why so that they're not left in the dark so that they're less likely to buck the system. Cats like that, what a kid. you know what I'm saying in high school who were monitoring halls and saying where's your hall pat you know what I'm saying it's the little like little tattle-telling ass niggas that finally got some power and they used that shit today event if you just on a planet you'd be like yo listen I need everybody turn their phones off we're experiencing blah blah blah blah so I know it's out of the normal please do you know what I'm certain nobody would have a problem

but it's just the that little fake authority I buck the system by just naturally I was I just I just do that. It just is what it is. And so it's like, you, you're going to catch me on a bad day. And now I'm going to get thrown off the plane. You know what I mean? Billy clearly has something he wants to say and he, like, looked at me weird. I don't know what it is.

But do you understand that this is, never mind. Never mind. No, go ahead, bro. That was the whole concept behind like the snitching and vaccine cards. Oh, I see now. Now he did that. And like that. Link that for me, bro.

Link that for me, bro. You all need to get. vaccinated or we're all going to die okay we can move on no no no what the fuck does that have to no no this time it wasn't people on airplanes turn off their phones family what the fuck is the same ideology it is not the same conforming to an authoritarian and you just not questioning it and turning off your phone even though we all know that so fuck so fuck vaccines

all together no not maybe just that's what i'm that that's why this is the apples the Orge's argument, my guy, if me turning my phone on is contagious, then yes, you would have a point. But it is, but it's not. And so you don't have a point. It is contagious because if you don't, the plane crashes, then you kill them. Not true. Not true.

That was also not true. Look, let's just move on. We can even cut that part. Yeah, let's move on. No, let's not cut that part. I want to see, you be stuck on this vaccine shit. I'm not. I just can't believe that everyone got away with that.

Got away with what? vaccinating people with a disease? What is you talking about? Just the hypocrisy. I'm not more. There's no. Definitely there was people who the risk was worth the benefit of getting vaccinated. Not denying that, but more like the whole, everyone has to wear masks.

How about this? How about this? How about this? How about this? How about this? Me and you would do an extra dose and we will have a debate on vaccination, what is done subsequently and before, all of that shit. How about that?

It's not so you never bring that dumb shit up again. Okay, but it's just the idea of the snitching in the, but everything you're talking about is something. It's not the same. It's not the same thing, bro. Because if, if that, do you agree or do you not agree that older people were at risk? Yes, I do agree. Because of the disease. So we agree.

Yeah. So do you agree that it was plausible to, to have people get vaccinated to protect a certain demographic that were, uh, More likely than not. The thing is that answer the question. Yes or no question. Right. But if that was. Greene was plausible or Greer was not plausible.

And look, if those older people were to get vaccinated to ensure they didn't get the disease, I 100% agree with you. But that's not how the reality. Because that's not how vaccines work. That's how they're supposed to work. If you get the rabies vaccine, if you get the rabies vaccine, if you get the rabies vaccine, you're not supposed to get rabies. If you get rabies is not COVID. If you get a tetanus shot, you're not supposed to get tetanus. Rabies, these are different diseases.

That's like saying a cold is like a flu. A flu is like HIV. HIV is like herpes. They're in the same category of viruses, but they're not the same viruses, so they react differently. That's silly as fuck. Okay, we can move on. Let's move on. We're going to do an extra dosing, and then you guys are going to get it out, get it out of your systems,

wash everything out, mono and mono. Next time, Marians in person, we'll have to, we'll set that. up. And that way people can opt in to this discussion. That's true. And then you can't complain that, oh, another vaccine debate snuck up on me on macrodosing because you, guess what, you, you signed up for it. You opted in to the extra dose. Yeah, you signed up for it. And actually, I'm making it mandatory. I'm making it mandatory. Everybody has to present verification of them listening to the vaccine discussion in order to listen to any other macrodocings ever. You've got your vaccine vaccine. It's not even about, it's not specifically. It's not specifically. It's

not specifically that I'll never mention after this. Yes. After this debate I don't want to hear shit about these goofy little comments. But it's just the authoritarianism that you guys are like, we're against that. We're rebellious. We're, but like the, like how conformity like

we don't have to talk about it. I also think that roads are good for people, really? I think roads are absolutely good for human beings. I conform to the fact that the government will build roads on land. Like, there are things that outweigh my own personal rights.

How do you wear a shirt every day, Billy? That's weird. Also, you wear a shirt because people tell you that you have to wear a shirt. Cigarettes. I believe that people should be able to smoke the lungs until they get every kind of cancer they want. Do your thing. But I also believe you shouldn't have to subject me to your possible cancer in a public place.

You want to do it in a private? It's not specifically, look, I'm not an anti-vaxxer. I just think that a lot of the authoritarian. very clear the authoritarian stuff look I fucking I get I was all vaccinated but those if you can't understand that we're not going to do this now

draw the line to me it's a different authoritarianism and government regulation do you believe that there's no difference it's just if a government regulates anything that's authoritarianism there is a line where is it

forcing a whole entire population to do something without much of a choice nobody was nobody was forced to there was zero forcing okay so moving on i i actually don't want like i'm trying not to talk about this and it's going to make my points are going to get across but i'm trying to move on extra dose yeah we'll do it all right where were we talking about planes yeah how you just you almost like took influence from the authoritarian figure to snitch on your person who you didn't even know how to turn this phone off.

I almost did, yeah, but I didn't. I didn't do it. That's what the important part is. And we landed safely. But I've never been told like straight up, turn your phones off. I think that dude was just on a power trip. I like to think that United Airlines wasn't flying a plane that could have been brought down if like one person had their phone on.

Why do you think you did? You just a power trip? I think it was just a power trip. But I can't be sure. Hopefully, you know what? I think I'm on that same flight back on Thursday. So I hope I get the same attendant. And I'll ask me, hey, why do you care so much about my phone?

Maybe he just doesn't like phones. This is what you should do. This is what you should do. Get really cool with one of the flight attendants, like on the way there. Like, casual conversation. And by the end of the flight, y'all should be pretty good friends. They'd be like, hey, yo, what's up with this? And then they go you to inside school because they trust you.

You know what I mean? Yeah, smart. I think I might do that. One of the best parts about getting, like, the worst, like, seat on the plane and the way back, like the last seat that you can't recline, is you start chatting up the flight attendants. Then they always give you free drinks if you really play your cards right. Yeah, there used to be a nice hack that you could do on an airplane, which was if you paid for it using a credit card, they didn't have the technology to run the authorization while you were in the air. So they would have to run all the numbers that they put on their machine right when you landed. so you could give them an expired credit card

then you land and by the time they run all that shit you're already off the plane yo that that's a move yeah I don't know if it's all been changed maybe some airlines have some haven't

but you could get away with it for a while you know I saw this I saw this video of a whole bunch of life hacks like that just like that like it was just like it was a dude like putting up a wall and it was just like 30 life hacks like that and so one of them was like Like you buy, like go to relatively, you know, a good game, but not like a sold-out game, obviously.

But you buy like the cheapest sheet you could buy. And then when you get in the stadium, when you're there, they drop the ticket prices and then go buy the seat and just move seats. Yeah. A whole march. It's like that. I used to do that at Wizards game sometimes, but I would get in with my friends at the upper deck. And then we would look down into the lower bowl at half time or like in the first half. and see what seats were not occupied,

and then we'd go slide into those for the second half. We did that in a playoff game. It was against the heat. If I were to guess, it was like 2007, something around there. And so me and my buddies went to this game, and we saw these three seats that were wide open, like center court, maybe 10 rows up. And so we're like, okay, second half,

we're going to go down there. We're going to get into those seats. Now, it's like if you've ever been to an NBA game in like the lower level, for the most part, in D.C., at least when they used to play play playoff games, it was it's a fairly buttoned up crowd a lot of polo shirts tucked into khakis cell phones clipped onto the belt that sort of thing and me and my buddies had whiz painted across our chest and we were shirtless and we were hammered we had slugged a bunch of steel reserve on the subway on the way into the game and so we like make our way down to these nice seats and we're sat around all these crazy like Washington DC insiders I think we're like one row up from wolf blitzer he was behind

us and we're like sliding in front of them trying to make you know not so much of a scene out of ourselves and uh yeah we were asked to leave they figured us out that we weren't supposed to be there but it's a pretty good thing that you can still do at some points where you can just be like okay those two seats behind the dugout at a baseball game i can just if i walk confidently enough back to those seats at a point where like it's a seventh inning stretch and there's a lot of people going back to their seats you can just slide in they won't check your tickets I'm not saying I've done this, but we do work with people here who are professional Photoshop people. And it's quite easy to, right before you leave, this works best for regular season baseball games.

It would be possible for you to maybe look on not a secondary website, but on the primary website that the team uses to sell their tickets, see what tickets are unsold. buy the cheapest one in the stadium and then Photoshop that one to say the unsold tickets that are right behind the dugout and then even if they do check your ticket your ticket says that it's that one again I've never done that but it would be a plausible option if that was available to you but unfortunately that sometimes the cheap tickets don't have the same formatting as the very expensive tickets like Yankee Stadium no Yankee Stadium legends to legend seats and Legits tickets which are like

some of the best tickets have like a whole hologram that's different yeah yes you're not getting into the thousand dollar tickets at Yankee Stadium that they scan

to make sure you have them even the ones behind home plate the exact tickets you described are those tickets in the first like three rows yeah right

okay then the fourth row is not yeah but that's a good hypothetical situation Big T. Right. And hypothetically, I think that would probably work a lot. It could.

I wouldn't know. All right, Big T, you have a very special teed off. What do you teed off about? Well, so I guess this will just lead into what I think was supposed to be our main topic today. So Billy had us all watch this documentary. Was it point of contact, making contact? Whatever it was called, something contact. I don't even know if you guys watched the right documentary.

Oh, we did. We sent it to us. You can respond. You can respond. Aryan and I and Madeline and McKinsey. Everyone except you before you hopped on. We discussed our viewing experience of this documentary. First of all, it costs $5, which I can afford $5.

It was the principal. So then I start watching it. And it's just, you know, the rock meme? It's the biggest piece of dog shit. This was the, this was. this was the worst thing i've ever watched it's it's two hours of just these guys running around Brazil like at one point they're just in an open field and the guys here it happened here and it's just you afo crash that's yeah that's what they tell you um there's no evidence for anything

whatsoever you see the picture i kind of agree the picture the picture with the little spacecraft in the background that's black and white that's what it's just a balloon well i was fucking out i was like Yeah, let's reset this here. So we'll make sure to set it up right and we'll give the correct introduction to it. So Billy suggested that we watched a documentary about an alien encounter in Brazil. It took place in what, 1996, I believe it's called Moment of Contact. And Big T's right. It's available to rent on Amazon for $4.99.

I think Billy should refund us. What? Yeah. I like that idea. Okay, I'll give you the fucking money. I'll give you the fucking money. I thoroughly enjoyed it. It was a, you guys are unintellectual if you don't think that was interesting.

It was just boring. No, you're unintellectual if you think it was interesting. Aliens crash land in Brazil. And there's. What evidence is there for that? The literal, like all the eyewitness accounts in literally the whole town, the mayor of the town was like, yeah, dude, this shit happened. The military was here. Oh, literally.

Eye witness account is the least credible form of evidence that exists. I know. But guess what? the news reels of the military reporting on why they were there. Okay, do you guys don't think the military was there? That all probably were. What the fuck do you think they were doing that? It was just a boring.

It was just a boring documentary. It was just like every other documentary about aliens that ever existed. I was more entertained by Zah's podcast episode. You can go watch that on our YouTube. I was just as skeptical. But the, the, the shit that threw me was. Because all the kids saying that there was an actual alien and they drew pictures of it. I'm like, come on, don't.

And the fact that all of them had a consistent description of the alien they all saw with red eyes, three toes. And the fact that a U.S., I mean, a Brazilian army officer died and that the place that they brought the alien had to be demolished. The hospital had to be demolished because the stench of ammonia and sulfur was so strong. The fact that there's records of that guy dying and like hold they held up his picture and they're like he died after he caught the alien because he got some sort of infection. The doctor that he went to after when he was dying. He had a they they didn't give the autopsy after he died. They said a general infection because they couldn't describe what was happening. The the radiologist that came for and said yeah, they made me scan an alien body and then didn't let me develop the film and they took it away. You don't you don't believe any of that. A guy died So this is definite stuff that happened A guy died And that guy was Brazilian military

Which means the Brazilian military was there There was also The general The Brazilian general reported that the Brazilian army was there Um The hospital was torn down directly after The alien was supposedly

brought there because they they thought the whole place was contaminated basically those are four things that definitely happened why do you why do you what do you what do you do for like that like this yeah what which i started like this i'm sorry i'm saying that's german i started like this i don't think of i was counting thumb that's cool but you're just using that the base the facts when it comes to the but that didn't interest the Brazilian military uh the Brazilian military uh There was a maintenance site nearby where they would park their maintenance vehicles or where they would park their vehicles to do maintenance on them on a regular basis. Right.

That was ESA like they were talking about. Also that there's definite flight logs. That's real. Then there's flight logs of the U.S. military flying in to the air base that the air traffic controller then repeated and showed us. that that also the aliens that they allegedly saw in the hospital those were two people with dwarfism and they were having a child what are you talking about so people at the hospital got confused it has been called the most compelling example of a case where literally nothing at all happened that was remotely unusual and was magnified into a case considered unassailable proof of alien visitation by many

Are you reading this off Wikipedia? I would suggest recalibrating where you set the bar for quality of evidence. Don't, Billy, don't you come at me for reading something off Wikipedia. I googled reviews. I googled reviews of this film.

Everyone was profoundly negative. It's a bad movie. You can say what you want about the actual encounter. If there's an interesting story to be told about the encounter, this did a phenomenally bad job of it. It was like, we're going to go to Brazil and then we're going to, we're just,

I don't think they had a plan. Their plan was to just land in Brazil Because they're trying to find it And then travel around Because it wasn't scripted They were investigating the whole thing I got about 40 minutes in And clicked pause to see how much longer there was

Thinking I was near the end And saw that there was another hour 20 And it was the most flabbergasted I'd been in quite some time It was 40 minutes of sheer nothingness Yeah they didn't really come up with anything Billy Also I was so this was I mean, you may be an interesting discussion here.

Because when you talk about the three toes that they have on the aliens, why do you think it is, why would an alien develop toes on like a different planet? Why would they? They did. Because when they actually didn't have toes. They don't even know what it was. You said three toes earlier. That was just a description of the footprint.

It might have not been a toe. The descriptions could have been inaccurate. What's crazy is I wanted to bring Zahin. The description they give are. You didn't even, you didn't even answer what I was bringing up. Address Big T's point. The eyewitness, the eyewitness accounts could have been misrepresented and inaccurate. Is that what you said?

No, you said, is that what you're supposed to be saying? What? No. What was the question that? You said, you said, you said there was three toes and you said, I don't know. That's just what they said. No, I don't even know if you had called them toes. It was just sort of some protrusion from their, like, their, uh, from their foot, from their foot,

which we can call those toes. They could have been tentacles. I don't know. It could have been three tentacles poking out of the foot. I don't know if they evolved toes. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. But you know what I'm saying?

Like in instances where you see aliens and movies, they always look kind of like humans. Now, they don't like really resemble humans. They don't have our same facial features and skin and things like that. But aliens are always based off of the same principle as humans are, which is they've got feet usually. They got legs. They have a torso.

They've got a big head with two eyes most of the time. They have a mouth right underneath those two eyes. And so all this is like a product of human evolution that's taken place on Earth, a unique environment over the last millions of years. Well, you're assuming. Life began to form. So why I'm just curious why we would assume that aliens would look like humans if they evolved on a planet that might be like hundreds of millions of light years away. I don't think they're actually from other planets. I think they're actually from Earth.

Okay. So it could very possibly be something that evolved on Earth and has survived various extinction events by living underground or under the sea and our super advanced civilization. But that like... And they have a flying craft? Yeah. Okay.

I mean, go on. Yeah. So that makes more sense than I think the depictions of aliens in movies that just like evolved to pretty much be humans except with a silver suit. Right. But what I'm saying... different galaxy but you understand that the official account was that nothing happened here did you just hear what the general said about why they were there if you did you guys get this far on the movie

when they go back to the 1996 press conference and they were like grilling the general like sir what were you doing there that night and he goes serving this nation and country and there's like can you give any sort of explanation was it a training exercise what was happening and he just goes i don't have to explain anything to anybody we need we're doing the uh we're doing what was best for the nation in the world, basically. Yeah, do you think if an entire town was like, hey, there were aliens here that maybe the military would show up, whether it was true or not?

But do you understand that the military showed up because something must have happened? No, the military showed up because people seemed to think that something happened. No, seven days before there was a crash. Did you see the guy crying in the field? Yeah. He was one of the only people to see the crash site,

and then he literally got carried away that nobody has any evidence happened Aki Yeah Because he was so moved By him being back there for the first time in 26 years Because he was threatened by the people there To never

Where is like any debris from the crash Who took it? The U.S. military The U.S. military was there immediately That's what the flight logs say Do you think this movie Did a good job? If someone was skeptical of these events,

do you think this movie did a good job of persuading people that... Yeah, you're unintellectual if you think not. Well, there's like various things that are definite fact that happened that don't explain what happened there that night. Wait, there are definite facts that don't explain. So there's a dead guy. There's a demolished building. There is definite military presence the night of the crash.

there's also logs of U.S. airplanes landing in a close-by air base. So your argument is not that absence of evidence is evidence of absence. It's that absence of evidence is evidence of non-absence, which is an even bigger leap. I'm just saying something definitely happened. And the fact that you guys think the whole thing in a hole is like totally fake, then it's not even that i do think that but the movie was just so terrible i was gonna say i don't even think it's not it was so awful it was so fucking boring it's a bad movie and i'm not saying nothing happened i'm saying what they claim happened didn't happen there was no express that flew

and crashed and it there has been zero evidence globally for any kind of unidentified flying object from another planet that has come here. There's zero evidence. So I wanted to get into this discussion. I got too caught up and trying to defend this documentary. Something happened. I more wanted to talk about the event. Something happened. I kind of

think it may have been a U.S. like a U.S. like craft that crashed. And that's why that you just said it was aliens. No, I said it. No, but like something happened. It might have been an alien, a UFO crashed in there may have like the beings thing is more skeptical i wanted to get into a rational discussion about

this but you guys are just shitting on the documentary and i was just like don't you think it's interesting that something happened there my theory is that it was a broken arrow incident because those are treated in a lot of the same ways where if there's a nuclear weapon that goes either missing or uh like some sort of accent that happens with the craft that has a nuclear weapon on it the government reacts in a very similar way to what they did here that's yeah that you have You have to like excavate it and there could be radiation contamination and the whole place it gets shut down and then they can't talk about it because they can't give away any nuclear secrets and that's all very tight lip for you know dozens sometimes like decades and decades

until it gets declassified. Now that is this is a discussion I wanted to have that the documentary would prompt. Yeah. Then why did you immediately? Well, no, no, no, because you immediately said it was aliens and that you're by aliens I meant like, like something that No, UFO I'm not saying other, I just explained that

I think that whatever's driving the UFOs comes from this earth, be it a civilization that lives like in the middle of the earth. I don't think it's from another planet. I explain that in that alien term gets wrapped up in it. I'm more just talking about the craft. Like something definitely crashed. If it was a US, like a US, you know, like a blackbird. I don't know if the, the blackbird.

the blackbird bomber the stealth bomber was common knowledge in 1996 you're talking about the you're talking about the B2 the B2 bomber and in the blackbird yeah it was definitely existed back then those two different airplanes though right but you understand those types of airplanes are super stealthy and a lot of early UFO sightings kind of sound like a stealth bomber because those triangular lights so if something like that crashed in Brazil and it had a nuclear weapon on board and then there is radiation poisoning and then maybe somebody dies like in Chernobyl that first firefighter or a bunch of those guys get radiation their skin starts melting off they look weird they get taken to a hospital somebody in the hospital's like oh shit this might be an alien but it's just somebody whose body is consuming itself yeah yeah and then you can't talk about it for a long time we should actually do a full episode on macrodosing on different broken arrow incidents that have happened because they're fascinating there's there's still a nuke I think that's buried underneath a swamp land

in North Carolina somewhere from a crash that happened I want to say in like the 60s or 70s but that's my theory on what happened but this documentary was ass yeah I mean it was bad it was a miss it happens all I wanted was to just have the documentary

like you know start a nice like a cool conversation where we talked about like what could it really have been like we just did but instead we're just going to shit on the documentary because it was so bad okay well it was better it was better for you guys to process all the information than me just sending you a wikipedia article so billy what what do you think happened there uh i i my original thought process was maybe a u.s craft crashing and that's why the u.s came and landed on the base like that's the reasonable explanation the people talking about

uh alien life forms running around after the incident i mean the the guy dying a who apparently caught the alien that was crossing the road yeah radiation could have killed them an unknown infection that does sound more plausible but that I just wanted to get that type of conversation going

well 10 minutes ago you said why don't y'all believe these people about what happened now you're saying you don't believe well I'm just saying you don't believe them that they saw something that they that something happened from the sounds of it you said this old thing's bullshit nothing happened there

nope never said that you just completely made that up why i didn't make that up you said you think the documentary is shit you think the whole thing was bullshit didn't you not say that in the beginning of this conversation no i think it wasn't aliens i think it was probably a a fucking balloon or something or a like pfd said it could have been a nuclear weapon whatever that's also what i agree with but but you said earlier why don't you believe these people and then you just said that the guys who say they saw aliens and shit you don't believe them well i think that was the weakest part of the documentary so you believe them partly I believe they definitely saw something

But not what they say they saw Um So there's other explanations And there's other explanations that they saw Deformed man And that may have been the alien Like a homeless person And that may have been the reason

That um Those girls saw what they saw Um I can't explain the army guys saying that they saw a little man in a box with three toes. I can't, I don't understand why the radiologist who said he worked in the hospital that got demolished, had to scan an alien in a body bag. I don't like, I'll take their, you know, I don't know if their words good, but I do believe something definitely happened in Varenga, which I think we're all pronouncing wrong.

Vargenia, Vargian, January 13th, 1996, which is all over my birthday. All right, well, we've established that while Billy's documentary was thought provoking in certain ways, it was also ass.

I give it four asses. I just don't see how you guys can watch something like that and say like this has zero redeeming value. Three and a half ass cheeks. That makes me like, that just makes me pissed off for some reason. I'm sorry.

Wait, Aaron, three asses or three ass cheeks? Three and a half ass cheeks. Okay. So that's... So one and three quarters, full asses. That's what I rate it. Five ass, five asses?

It's a slap. That's a banger. You know what I'm? Five ass cheeks or five asses. Full. I just explained it. Full ass? Okay, so it's full.

So it's three and a half out of ten. no yeah great math what's uh what's the worst movie you guys have ever seen okay oh it's the worst movie i've seen acting wise but i fucking love it and it's the last airbender avatar the last airbender i think i've might have been mentioned on this fire before but it's the acting is so bad like i don't know why they went forward with it because it's it's just that bad it's like you ever get like secondhand embarrassment for something like watching this it's like god it's just so it's so dog shit but the graphics and the storyline is really dope because it comes from an anime anime-ish

uh the last airbender episode series and so the storyline is dope and there's one actor in it who's a real actor who's really good which is the fire lord guy the the main guy i don't remember his name but he's like the main dude like the overseer not the son but the main dude he's actually a good actor he's been in many things actually uh but the rest of the cast is just holy shit it's oh my god the worst shit i've ever seen my life horrible i haven't seen it but um for you to say that an avatar movie is is full ass i believe you it's not it's not avatar in in that same vein It's last airbender. It's different.

Isn't it called Avatar, The Last Airbender? It's Avatar the Last Airbender, but it's just separate. It's from the anime series a long time ago. You know, at the point. The point. Yeah. It's about a kid who's like, everybody has different elements that they bend. Like there's water benders, there's firebenders, air benders.

And there's one kid who's like an air, what do they call them, Avatar. And he can do all, he can manipulate all the elements. And so he's like special and whatever. It's an entirely different thing. than, you know, Jake Selly, who got trapped on Pandora, who is... Got it. It's not, it's not canon. It's not part of the Avatar lore.

No, no, no, no. What about you, Big T? What's the worst movie you've ever seen? I'm suffering from recency bias, but it might be that documentary. Because here's the thing, because y'all, you all know this about me, right? Like, I don't go do things that I don't want to do. So I don't see movies that I think. think I might not like.

Like, almost every movie I've ever seen, I've been like, I really like that. You do your research on it. With very few exceptions. So, like, it's exceedingly rare that I watch a movie I don't like. I went and saw even, I didn't even really hate that movie. What was it called? It was called Spencer, the Princess Diana movie. Yeah.

I saw that with my girlfriend. And even that, I didn't hate that movie. I hate, I do dislike what's her name, Kristen Stewart. I don't like her. She just has weird mannerisms and I don't like it. But I mean, this one's up there. Top five, no question. I was going to say The Lobster with Colin Farrell.

That movie sucked. I haven't seen that one. It's bad. And now part of that might have also been, I was watching it when I was coming back from Hong Kong. after being on MDMA for like a day and a half at the rugby tournament. And I was extremely dehydrated on an 18 hour plane ride. And so fading in and out of consciousness watching that movie,

that was hell. I thought I was in hell. I see that one. It sucks. What about you, Billy? It was more of a letdown because the book was so good. But Congo by Michael Crichton, the book, the film adaptation sucked. I didn't hate it

Oh you see it Yeah that's surprising I think Congo yeah The movie was just so much worse In the book It's also You were really young when it came out too And so like you probably saw it when you was a little older

Yeah I saw it Yeah you probably saw it And so like all A lot of And if you dig back into our catalog As a human species of movies Most movies Most movies suck actually back

Like in the 80s 70s Even early 90s Like when you double back and watch it There's nostalgia you there. A lot of those movies were shit though. It's bad. Yeah, especially the special effects in Congo, which at the time, you're like, oh shit, this is incredible. But you watch it now the lasers like cutting a gorilla's arm off and you're like, you have to understand that when I was like 11 years old watching that, I was freaking out. Yeah, it was so good. We were like standing up in

the theater and being like, you know, just yelling at it. See, this is a hot take. I think I said this too, but like I tried so hard to watch the star. Wars series. I tried like you wouldn't believe, though, because there was, I think it was like a weekend where I was like, I'm just going to catch up on all the old classics. The first one I watched was the Matrix. I sat down, I smoked, saw the Matrix, fucking him. I was like, yo, I'm missing a whole bunch of classics. Let's do it. Saw the Matrix is one of the greatest movies I've ever seen. Sat down, put on the very first Star Wars. I couldn't get past 30 minutes. I was like, it's shit. It's dog shit. And I know, I know, I know, I know. Star Wars people are

fucking crazy about that shit but I just couldn't do it. It was the link toward the lasers in Congo. The lasers in Star Wars are worse man. It's just horrible acting, horrible. I'm sure the storyline is great, but I couldn't make it through. I just couldn't do it. Yeah, I've never actually watched all the Star Wars

movies and for that exact same reason. It's bad, man. Even if you go back, you remember Aaron, you remember when Jurassic Park came out and how mind-bending that was? It was wow. These dinosaurs look real. They're real dinosaurs in this movie. And now you go back and you watch

your original Jurassic Park and it's still pretty good. But you see the dinosaurs and you're like, well, that's plastic. Like that's just clearly a statue of a dinosaur. But it's not as bad as you would think though. You know what I mean? Like there's some

like okay you remember the because it's real, it's right, it's live action but it's still, I think it's better than the more current one. You ever seen the original Ninja Turtle movies? that's still fire it's still like believable in a sense right i mean the mouth don't go with the word sometimes but it's still believable to a sense like the the later renditions with a lot of the early cg i's kind of garbage man i feel like that's almost an accident though that the ninja turtles

are still holding up to this day because at the time when they put it out they were probably like this movie has great special effects the turtles look so real but they they made it in such to can't be corny way that it looks like it's intentionally corny now like 30 years later you know yeah on actually that makes sense yeah they should remake congo with planet of the apes type cg i because that that is bill i think down to that's good i like that idea though yeah i think you'd be really good on that project because you would care about the material so much yeah it was a killer book like the whole concept you should also yeah it is with the gorilla that they're trying to like reintroduce back to the wild and it's more human

than he said hi i'm amy i remember this yeah bad gorilla go away yeah but like the whole story how they intertwined it about the history she confronts the bad gorilla ugly gorilla go away real like yo smack this bitch no but like how king solomon's minds were actually I'm gonna spoil the book but like the whole buddy it got me into a part of history

that I never actually read much about before and like about uh I forget the is it King Solomon's minds I forget it's been so long since I've seen it Bill you should read the endromeda strain I'm pretty sure that's by Creighton too that talks actually COVID

yeah that that that book talks about the evolution of alien life and how it's not supposed to look like human life on Earth full circle moment for the podcast because it's like if we get invaded by an alien it's much more likely that it would be a microbe or some sort of virus. Well, viruses in itself do not look like life on Earth.

They don't have a nucleus. They're not, they don't necessarily, they don't even know viruses are really alive as if anything. They think that viruses may have came from space. yeah like an octopuses yeah like it's actually very possible

that's why that's why I like that movie um god what's that movie where the shit come and like they they talk to it like they go up and they're trying to learn each other's language it's like a circle oh yes arrival arrival with keanu reeves no no no no it's right it's called a rival it's called a rival and what was dope by the movie was like

it was one of the first movies I saw that that really explored the fact that alien life would not communicate in the way that we communicate. They communicate differently. And so it's us trying to learn their communication. And they spent

like all kind of time learning how they would communicate. But also, they would look entirely different than us. And so they look more like like squids, like octopeds. And if you look, a lot of like people who studies octopuses they don't they think it's a possibility that they came from somewhere else they are

fucking alien though but but they that one most fascinating parts about that movie was that the way their language was constructed it's not constructed they don't look at time as as linear they look at it as circular and so like the way that they communicate is entirely different it was a fascinating way they explored it was so dope I did you do you see the picture I posted it to the Macrosing Twitter, but I'll find it. But it's a giant squid egg sack, and it is the scariest, like, let me, let me, like, it's the most alien thing I've ever seen. I'm trying to pull it up right now. But it's basically a giant gel sack.

I'm sending it to the group. Hopefully you can put it in YouTube. But there's this diver who's diving the fjords of Sweden in. he just comes upon this giant squid egg sack and the thing is I don't even think giant squid like I think they breed in the part of the ocean that's just like so

deep that they can't really study it that well but check this out it literally looks like the closest thing I could describe it to is just it's bigger it's like a

a bubble full of gelatin the size bigger than a human. Yeah, I don't fuck with the ocean, but like imagine swimming up upon that thing like, nope. Tens of thousand, I don't know how deep these guys are

like hundreds of feet below the ocean and just finding that I'd be like, oh my God, where's its mother? It's going to eat me. Yeah, it looks like an egg. It's like a chance bear. I would make an omel. She'll be ass, though.

Yeah, imagine, imagine ocean eggs. It probably tastes horrible, bro. Oysters. Yeah, that's true. Oysters are good. All right, let's get to some voicemails. How does that sound? And then we're going to get to our interview with Chris Hanson.

Chris Hansen, great guy, came into the studio and chopped it up with him for a while. Good dude. Great voice, too. Very soothing voice. He took a seat. He took a seat on the couch, and we talked to him for a while. that must suck to just like show up somewhere and let's say you're at a bar right you go up to the bar and then you turn to the side and chris hanson is sitting right next to you you're like oh fuck

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If you could be on any game show From any era What game show would it be Give me prices right with Bob Barker Two times a week every day Talk to you later American Gladiator Good answer Billy

The original one That's a great answer Jeopardy Oh you know Legends of the Hidden Temple, but American Gladiator, that thing was sick. I'm going on, I'm going on Legends at Hidden Temple, and I'm going to be the, the, there was it Silver Monkeys? Yeah, Silver Monkeys. I don't know.

There was blue barracuda, silver monkeys. Blue iguanas, I remember that. No, no, I was, I thought it was blue baracudas. Was it red iguanas? I remember iguanas. I want to say green. That was a great game show. It was amazing.

I would go with guts. It was like the show that came on before Legends of the Hidden Temple. I think I would dominate guts. You had one where you were like a soccer goalie trying to stop penalty shots. Yeah. Climb the agrocrack. The agrocrack, bro. Come on.

Yeah. I want to. Now when I look at the agro crag and the piece that you got to take home, they were just giving you meth. It just looks like a big rock, a crystal mat. High hair goes. Also, shout out Mo. Shout out Mo. Go to the rules official.

Mo. Yeah. She was like British. I even, I think everybody. Those are really dating ourselves here. No, I used to watch that. But it's like, I used to, I used to date myself all the time when Mo was on TV. So it's red Jaguars, blue barricudas, green monkeys,

orange iguanas and purple parrots and silver snakes that's what i was i was always room for the silver snakes that's what it was all right go ahead mattie mackenzie um i grew up watching game show network all the time with my grandma uh and lingo was a show that i watched a lot and i got yeah and i got really good at that it's basically wordle but live so i'd probably do that one chain reaction on game show network was i loved that one I love GSA. Chain reaction, reaction, time, time flies.

That's what it would say at the end of every episode. Good show. Wipe out also. Just for fun. Would you do American Ninja Warrior? No, because that's too much training. No, you don't have to train for that shit.

It would be fun if he was in shape. Yeah. About American Ninja Warrior, my friend from high school is actually going to be on that show like in the next coming season. I can never do that. I think family feud would be fun

my family was almost on that like before this was like way back when like it was the original host but they like went and audition and everything and then they ended up like canceling the show so they didn't get to go on but my mom like still has the letter that they sent them

to like invite them on so I think that one maybe that's a classic yeah although you it's always awkward when somebody makes like an unintentionally horny answer and then like it's like a grandma that says it and then the rest of their family has to be like, good answer,

good answer, good answer, good answer. Yeah, Steve Harvey has the best, like, reactions on that show. No question.

He makes, oh yeah, yeah, Steve Harvey's job was to like, he would hear an answer and then just look at the camera and then make a face and that was television goal. Yeah. Exactly.

He could be there for the next one. Yeah, the next one. Yep. Hi, this is Hannah from college. I had a question for the whole crew, but first, I wanted to say don't appreciate the Texas A&M Planser as I graduate in two days, Gagam. If you could say one thing nice about college station, that would make my day.

Anyway, I had a question for the whole crew. If your life depended on it, could you ride a bull successfully for eight seconds? The catch is the bowl has a 50% buck off rate. But I will allow two hands, except for Billy, because I know he's going to say, so for him, the ball is an 80% buck off rate, and he can only use one hand. Thank you so much. I love the show. Shout out to Mad Dog and McKinsey, Macrodose News for the girls.

Stay handsome and gorgeous. Bye. I'm still getting on that. Oh, I think in my brain I can do that If I can use both hands So she said 50% buck off rate And immediately I don't know if that's a high buck I was going to say that feels very low

You don't want to use two hands anyway Why? It's for balance Are you sure? Yeah, because you have to move your You can still move with two hands though No, with two hands you like You have less mobility?

Yeah I'm still saying yes And you also, you can't protect yourself if you get, like, slammed into it. Yeah, you don't have a hand free. It's like, she said you can, you don't have to. I've watched YouTube tutorials on how to ride a bull because I work in a job where, like, I don't know, not now, but maybe in the future they, so for some reason I'm on a bull. Yeah, I'm interested to see Billy's YouTube searches just to see, like, what he thinks he might get into at one point. I think I could do it, though.

I think I could not do it. I don't think so. Because I think once that first kick happens, once a bull kicks up in the air, I'm just going to be like, fuck this, I'm out of here. But she said if my life depended on it.

No, no, I can do it. I can do it. Not for me. This is according to cowboy lifestyle, New York, or network,

I'm sorry. I was like, girl, that'd make sense. Cowboy lifestyle network. There's like these, they give like the top five bulls. And like,

the number five his name is taanta and he has a 94.3% buck off rate so it's like they'd be bucking these motherfuckers off but let's hear the number one the number one is called bushwhacker and yeah he has a 95.25.

no no sorry he has a 96.5% buckoff rate so is bushwhacker Canadian I don't know So then we could definitely do it. I'm not. I want to address another part of the question and I don't want to pile on. I don't even remember when we did Texas A&M slander, but I'm sure we did.

Oh, you always. I remember three or four different occasions you have talked. Well, they are a cult. I mean, but, well, so I said all that to say, this is the most Texas A&M question of all time. I mean, only this is like the, I mean, this is what they, this is a text A&M question. Yes, though, if everybody says something nice about college states. Down to the part. Yeah, they're down to the very part where she says, everybody says something nice about college station.

Right. It is a very Texas A&M question. I will say one nice thing. Their meat judging team is the best in the country. They won the national championship. Yeah. Wait, wait, big T. That might be cap.

I think that's cat I'm almost certain that's accurate oh no I'm almost certain it's Texas Tech University that has the great meat judging team no I'm pretty sure you're wrong okay all right

I'm happy to be wrong about this I don't know I didn't know there were meat judging teams that would mean that I have something that I should say too you might have some nice you guys might be thinking of two different events I don't know but

I'm saying yes the fight in Texas Aggie meat judging team won the 2022 national championship okay my mistake hand up I'm sorry to the good people college station Texas A&M University you have a world class meat judging team which I won't even make fun of

because that's a great skill to have wow you guys will make outstanding butchers or yeah you just look at a cow and you're like that cow oh it seems I would eat the shit it seems like it was them and Texas Tech in the national championship so

Texas Tech is a great program, but nothing on, they don't have anything on the Aggies. Is this like one of those things where they're the only two teams? That's entirely possible. They both have amazing, yeah, they both have storied. Meat judging. Yeah, meat judging legacies, but it's like just either one of the wins every year. This event, this event name is killing me.

I can't do this. Hang on, I got to send y'all, I got to send y'all the national championship. picture. Wait, what is meat? What's meat judging? They go to all the swim events and just wait, is it judging a cow when it's alive or

judging meat when it's like cut? It's their judging the hanging meat. Oh, like that rock. Oh, they're not eating it? Yeah, it's what Rocky beats when he's in the meat locker. What are they judging it for? And it's hanging.

I like their uniforms. I like college station. Say something nice by a college station. Texas A name is their uniforms are dope. Oh, that guy, the guy in the middle. I love Maroon. Wait, no, this isn't them in their meat judging uniforms. Their meat judging uniforms are more hilarious.

It's the white butchers that like people who work at meat processing. Is he the coach or the only guy on the team? Okay, so. No, there's another guy at the end. there's two dudes oh shit I didn't see him wow that guy the dude in the middle's face

is so funny he looked like a young mr. okay here's what I'm thinking um Texas tech had a three peat they were back to back to back

to back meet judging champions wow and their rain their rain ended in 2021 and then it sounds like a and m stole the crown from to be the man you got to beat the man sounds like you guys are both right

Kirby finally took down Sabin and A&M finally took down Texas Tech and meat judging. Yeah. I wonder if there's like if it's the same way where where like the legendary programs have spin-off coaches. A coaching tree of meat judging. Meat judging. Yeah. Let's meet judging is more to determination of the quality of in league. Wait, wait. Oh, so they're supposed to look at a at a at a carcass. And judge how much lean meat yield the carcass gives. Just by eyeball it.

So it's like who gets closer to the... Yeah. Nobody actually eats it? No, they're just eyeball and meat in the... I don't think that you can properly crown a meat judging champion if they don't carve the meat up and then you taste it afterwards. Well, do you have to cook it? I don't want to shit on anybody's like, you know, hobby or profession.

is it a profession but that's a wild thing to have a yield grading or yeah crew for like when did this start britt well the thing is i think do they have a starter and like a starting team and then like backups that come off the bench well i think these are lebron james of me judging guys i think we're all you know i think we're all the idiots here because i think these guys get hired by large meat process oh i'm sure and they select the meat and they make like six like i'm pretty sure they make like six figures judging meat they have so Texas A&M's like animal science center

yeah Texas A&M's like animal science center is what houses their meat center Rosenthal Center and they have a creative sausage making class like creative writing but creative sausage Come on man Is there NIL Is there any money going to any of the meat judges

Because now I've got Now I've got some ideas going through my head of building my own power house I was just going to say let's let's pick a school and just and just become the number one meat judging team in the country. I imagine you could do it for a pretty low cost. But how do we recruit? Like, how do we know if somebody's good at judging me?

Just take, take the top guys from A&M and Texas Tech and say, we'll give you X amount of dollars to come to whatever school we pick. I don't know how many schools have the facilities that A&M and tech does, the proximity because I don't think they have, I don't think, how many schools participate in? is the talent. Competitions. So I'm reading an article right now that said in the event

that this reporter went to and was covering there were eight schools that competed. Okay. So I don't know if that's low for that. If there's more

who weren't in that particular event, I don't know. Yeah. So. I feel like Montana is a sleeping giant in this industry. There's probably a shitload of meat around them.

And they're just waiting to make a comeback. Probably Montana State University. No, but the things, I don't think Montana has the meat processing plants because that's what it's all about it's not about where the cattle live it's where they're processed so do they have scholarships in a and m school do they give out like meat watching scholarships they do so so here competitive meat judging traces to 1926 it was

introduced at the international livestock exposition in chicago for 70 years it was governed by the national livestock and meatboard it's fallen under the purview of the american meat science associations, which schedule six competitions each year, two in the spring, four in the fall. I think we've got to go to a competition. So listen to this. This is from 2019. Today the Red Raiders are the Alabama football of the meat judging world. Under the guidance of Coach Miller, Texas Tech has reset the standards of collegiate meat

judging excellence. Tech has captured seven of the last 11 national championships highlighted by a three-year stretch from 2015 to 17 in which I won a staggering 19 of 21 major contests. So these are the schools. Texas Tech, Oklahoma State, Texas A&M, Colorado State, and Kansas State are the heavy hitters. So it's a lot of like Rust Belt. No, no. That's not Russ Belt. I'm Russ Belt.

Plains. Plains. Okay. So read those again. Read the heavy hitters off because I want to figure out which one of these schools we want to sponsor. Colorado State, Kansas, Kansas, Tech. So 19 schools enter, but some, let's sign like a, let's sign like a, let's, let's sign like a, Let's find, like, an Alabama-A-N-M dragons. No, is that- They're not the dragons and...

That's Alabama State. No, Alabama State is the... Isn't that UAB? UAB is the Blazers. And they're the Blazers. Yeah. Yes, their logo is a dragon. How did I know that, Billy?

So, so let's pick a team. That's where Sam Hunt... Read the, read all the teams. I'm looking for the name, list them. We've had the sponsor. like Kansas State. A meat watching team? No, but we want a small one.

Yeah, we want a small. I want to go to an event. You can buy meat from Texas A&M. If you go there, you can go to this meat center and buy their meat. Let's go buy meat. Meat judging program. Okay, look, the collegiate power rankings. I got it.

Okay, all right, here we go. Start from the bottom and go up. This is livestock judging, which is different. I don't know. Okay, we need... Yeah, I want meat judging. They have a barbecue summer camp. Can we do it?

Lives. That would be sick. Camping trip. They also have their own beef jerky. Okay. I've got to find this. University of Wyoming is one. They seem like they'd be pretty good already.

I want to take someone in the doldrums of intercollegiate meat judging, and I want to turn them into a powerhouse. house. So the, with other people's money. So now I'm trying to figure out is livestock judging the same is, is meat judging? It sounds like it's not. It's because I think the livestock judging is alive. Yeah, live.

Did you know what they called Texas A&M barbecue you? I didn't know that. Whoa. They're taking clarity. I did not know that. I thought that was Brooklyn Tech. No, they said cheering this gym because Texas A&M is and always will be barbecue you. They for sure put that in there.

because there's beef, no pun intended, with Texas Tech there. Wait, and they have Camp Bristick. Do we have, do we have, is there a Tennessee team? I have never heard of one, but, you know,

no time like the present. Tarleton State University sounds like a small school that could use some macrodosing help. I think they're Michigan State has one. They just recently became Division 1, I think. South Dakota State has one. That seems like,

like a potential sleeping giant. Yeah. Western Texas College. Now we're talking. Those are the kind of programs I want to revive. What about Washington State? Wazoo? Tough to attract talent to Pullman.

You know, these meat judges, they want to be in Texas, Colorado, those places. I want to go to brisket camp. I like Colorado State, too. Oh, I like Colorado State. Garden City Community College. Are y'all actually thinking about doing this shit? I kind of want to go eat meat. I would like, I would love to go eat.

I think we should do it. You can get harsh-shaped NIL deal. How much are we talking on? How much are we talking about to rubies on Valentine's Day? I'm not about to fork over. I think, I think if we put it to these meat judges, brer. I'm asking, I'm asking my NIL source how much money it would cost to build a powerhouse meat judging team.

I think if we put $1,000 into an NIL deal at Garden City Community College that's in Kansas. We can make some noise. Is that where Last Chance You is? No, I don't think so. No, one of the episodes of Lanchist, one of the seasons of Last Chance

You, I think was. Where? No, Independence. Independence. But they play. that school. They did, yeah. Interesting. Any more voice mouth? Nebraska. Iowa State. We got to pick

one. I want to sponsor meet judging team. Out of all the schools that we've listened so far. Let's have some reach out to us. Yes. If you're a meat judging, we're listening. We want to infuse your school with cash. Oh, you know what it would actually be good if instead of wearing those white butcher uniforms they got macrodosing merch you got macrodosing

yeah yeah like lab coat murder yeah yeah then i like that that's more all right yeah let's do another voicemail okay this is our last one you know what up macrose james from holy up massachusetts i'm a proud of you madman shout out coli you miss having you on the show um my question is i'm just wondering if you know we can get some more information about the move for Chicago and how that's going to affect the show, you know, like who's moving, who's staying, or if our schedule is going to change it off. I know it's probably not set in stone, but I was hoping to keep the listeners informed as to what's going to happen with this big move.

Finally, though, really, I got some serious beef with you. It's been going on for, you know, at least two years. I'm sick and tired of hearing you say nuclear. I don't know if it's a bit or one. I know you like to say things as you read them, but come on, you're out and letters there. It's new clear. you can only George Bush out there brief in the U.S. about the North

Korea nuclear activity. That's the bit. It's a huge jacob line, especially when you're trying to have an intellectual discussion about nuclear weapons or power. It's not a great look to say nuclear three times in a matter of a few minutes. That's the bit. Sorry, I love your work. I just had to get that one off my chest.

I love you guys. Stay handsome and beautiful. Subscribe to YouTube. Shout out big cheat. Let's get it to 100K. Thanks, good. Oh. I also do believe earlier, in this episode, Billy said nucleus. Yeah, because

all cells have a nucleus. A nucleus. A nucleus. Okay, whatever. It's a George Bushman. All right. I think. Yeah, I don't know enough about it.

Holyoke, home to an all-women's college. Okay. Mount Holyoke. Yeah. Wait, we want to sponsor the meat team, me judging team at an all-women's college I can't like that. No, but that's where that guy was from.

Oh. Okay. Yeah, we're moving to Barstool. Parts of Barstool are moving to Chicago. I'm moving actually in just like two weeks, which is crazy to think about. So I'm going to be in Chicago all summer. Can't wait for the Mallort.

And I don't know if you guys saw this. They just sent me a rendering of our studio. Because they are building a macroducing studio in Chicago. What the fuck? Why don't you send it, bro? Will you send it? Yeah, they just sent it. I totally forgot to.

I was doing something at the time and I forgot to. Hands on site. It's so it's a, I'll show it right here. This is the rendering. Oh, it's not even popping up right now. But we can just send it. It's sick. Oh, here we go.

We'll send it to us. So it's your battery studio. Can you forward? The desk is a giant question mark. Can you screen? You shot it and sent it. Yeah, I'm sending it over. Yeah, here it comes.

Three, two, one. Sent. That's fast. The desk is a question mark, which is awesome. That's fire. Oh, that's sick. And so we're going to have our own studio there. Got some plans.

I know I'll let you guys kind of go around the room and say what your plans. Or Billy kind of addressed his plans on part of my take yesterday. But Billy, for the record, Billy will still be a part of the show he will just be in new york contributing to this show so even though he won't be on pmt anymore guess what if you if you want billy in your life there's only one place that you can go for it and that's macrodosa so we've cornered the billy audience we have the billy football monopoly you looks so fucking cool it does look really cool oh it's fire uh it sucks big tea uh i am moving to chicago illinois this job has taken me to two cities okay

I never would have wanted to live Love that San Francisco next Yeah I'm sure we're headed to To the Bay area relatively soon LA after that We'll just hit all of them Yeah I'm probably moving in like August

So we'll have this Zoom You're moving like soon right Yep So we'll have this set up for a while But then come football season We will have what looks to be a pretty cool studio so and i'm gonna be yeah i'm very excited big teeth moving i think i'm gonna be i think we discussed it with hank but i'm gonna be coming in probably once a month so that'll be cool for

sure so i'm gonna be trying to come in once a month as well on my own dime don't care i'm gonna get there uh because that studio looks pretty awesome uh and i'm gonna be making the trip as much as i can guys I have a feeling you guys are going to be like you're not allowed to come unless you move out and I'm going to be like no I'm coming every single time I am also moving why do you feel like that I'm pair yeah we're not going to squeeze you out Billy this isn't succession um I am also moving don't come don't come no I'm coming I'm coming every single I got to come like twice a month just going to like get so competitive I accidentally move out there.

Yeah, no, the move and stuff is, I think Maddie was everyone's, I was, I was just saying I'm also moving to Chicago. I'm also moving to Chicago, Illinois in August, beginning of August I'll be there. So I'll be out there in time for the new office to open. I think me and big tier moving out there similar times. So, yeah.

I'm, I'll be back to my Midwest roots in just a couple of months. A lot of people are saying there's a conspiracy theory out there that Mad Dog and Big T are brother and sister. Is that that true? That is not true. No. Okay. Who is, who is saying that?

The streets, the streets are saying. I've got a bunch of DMs recently. So there's some sort of forum, some sort of macrodosing forum that's been very active saying that Big T and Mad Dog are brother and sister. Is this real? Which is, I like that. it. Yeah. No, we're not. I only met Big T when I started working on macrodosing. How would they, they have different accents. They have different regional access. That's the reason that

it's true. Look, there's a, there's a lot of siblings that don't look anything like. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm very excited about the move for a lot of reasons and for the macrodosing studio to have its own home. I'm pretty pumped about that. So we don't have to share a studio space anymore. And we're also going to be doing some extra content with macrodosing out there out of that studio. The goal is to have a recording studio that's built in to the macrodosing studio. So we'll be able to get in the studio and pump out some songs and do all sorts of weird crazy shit. And I've been talking to Donnie a little bit about this recurring guest, Donnie. He's moving out to Chicago as well.

We want to do a thing where we do like a live stream. maybe once a week or once every two weeks of us on Twitch writing a song and recording it in the studio with input from the chat telling us what to write the song about song lyrics, all sorts of stuff like that and also Nick from the Anus Boys

he's expressed some interest in joining up and collabing on that every now and again too and Arian being a musician and a songwriter when he's up in there I would love to have him work on that as much as possible too because people forget aryan made the beat for the benny the butcher at the bank song aryan is a he sent me like a list of like 20 different beats that he had sampled ready to go he's he's extremely talented he makes some music for macrodosing the uh the intro music and all that stuff so um there's a lot of a lot of cool things that are going to be developing out there

i'm excited about yeah man hype for everybody involved just the growth of the show everybody Getting theirs. Lovely, man. Love to see it. I'm really excited. That made me, that studio is awesome. And I'm excited to have her on space. Yeah, sorry, Billy.

Yeah, no, it definitely sucks. And also, people, stop, like, trying to figure out in my private life, like, reasoning. It's kind of getting a little annoying. Like, after the announcement, I'm part of my take yesterday. Just leave everyone alone.

Yeah. Yeah. Leave Billy alone. There won't be less of Billy. Yeah. If anything, we'll get more of Billy. Leave, leave Billy alone. All right, well, let's get to our interview with Christopher Hansen.

Chris Hansen, remember him from To Catch a Predator. Legend came in the studio. Welcome on, a very, very special guest of macrodosing. You guys are probably familiar with his work. I know I am. We've talked about some of the work that you've done on this show as well, kind of a recurring theme on this program. It is Chris Hanson.

He's got a new show out, Take Down with Chris Hansen on True Blue. And you're also doing a podcast. Predators I have caught the podcast. You probably know them best from To Catch a Predator. It's kind of what puts you on the national map as far as a lot of people are concerned. So tell us real quick about Take Down with Chris Hansen,

the new show. How does that relate? We talked a little bit before we started taping. How does that relate to catch a predator? Take Down is the next generation of the predator investigation. So after 19 years, you would think after all the publicity, all the pop culture, all the guys who've gone to prison, you would think they'd stop showing up. But that's not the case. And we have more guys showing up today, more disturbing cases than ever before.

So Take Down is the latest version of the predator investigation that's on True Blue. So we partner, collaborate with law enforcement around the country, and we set up sting operations, as we always have. They've evolved, and we use most of the time decoys in law enforcement because it makes for a cleaner prosecution at the end of the day. And if these guys aren't prosecuted, then what have we done? You know, in the beginning, 19 years ago, the first investigation, we weren't sure what was going to happen. 17 guys surfaced in Long Island, New York, in two and a half days. and they just walked right out of the Stinghouse. Yeah, it was more just shaming them, right?

It was shaming and exposing and educating and creating a dialogue, but only one of those guys, because he was a New York City firefighter, was prosecuted. The second investigation, more cases were prosecuted after the fact by law enforcement. After that, we have always collaborated with law enforcement. How would that work when somebody would show up, especially early on? Because we've done, you know, just a small amount of television here. We've done, you know, a lot of videos for the law enforcement.

the internet. Do you have to get these guys to sign a waiver? No, because we're a news organization. We're covering the commission of a felony. As a courtesy for entertainment programs or, you know, a documentary, it's traditional to get a form signed, a waiver. But we don't have to do that. I mean, the guy gives up any reasonable expectation of privacy when he walks into my stinghouse trying to rape a child. Yeah. It's over. Yeah.

And it's like if you want to sue me, then by all means. Yeah. Let's take this to court and we'll just further put your name out there. I actually, I may have done a bad job introducing you, but I was making conscious effort to not say the line that you probably hear all the time. Just take a seat. Have a seat right over there. Why don't you have a seat right over here for me, Chris. South Park did it best.

Can you say it again? Have a seat right over there. Yeah. Oh, man. Yeah, Aryan just lit up like a Christmas tree. Ariens heard that before. I'm saying because not in that way. We used to have, so I don't know.

I don't even even know. I mean, your show was huge, right? So it was so big. So me and I don't know if you know what it says Maurice Jones Drew. Sure. Maurice Jones Drew, we used to like watch with our Twitter family live, like to catch a predator. Like, what was Sunday? I think it was like Saturday or Sunday.

I don't know. I don't remember what day aired. Well, originally it was on during the week. And then, you know, the original. run of To Catch a Predator was on Dateline. It was originally conceived as a one-off story for Dateline. It was never conceived to be what it became. I just thought it was interesting. And when I found out about the online watchdog group, Perverted Justice, I figured, well, if we could use their decoys to pose his kids online and use our ability to use enterprise

journalism and wire a house with hidden cameras and microphones, it might be compelling. Yeah. Perverted justice. It had no idea that it was. going to turn into this. Yeah. I'll just say, I've always had, I may have a multiplicity of questions, but, you know, I'm going to try to keep you, you don't get you that for that long. But I guess to open up, like, what keeps, what kept, I guess, like, the initial interest of this, like, what was the initial interest?

Because I'm not, this is not accused of, this is, this is, this is, when you look into, like, a lot of people who like help kids and like, like, you know, stuff like that. There's like nefarious reasons around it. Like it's a wild, because it's a, it's a wild topic. Sure. And I don't mean to be accused to her brother. No, no, no, no. I totally understand where you're coming from. It's a, it's a wild topic. And it's just like the interest in it is, I want to know if it's like it's a personal vendetta or is it like, is it just, where did it come from? Well, it came from knowing that kids were meeting adults online and getting hurt, sexually assaulted, in some cases killed. And if I had gone into the executive producer

at Dateline at the time and said, look, we need to do this story, but all I have is some anecdotal scary stories, interviews, and video of people clicking on the keyboard, that's not going to cut it for what we do. And so when I heard about perverted justice, I recognized it as an opportunity to really dig in. And I've always done investigative enterprise, sometimes hidden camera reporting around the world on different topics. All crime. stuff, obviously. And so I thought this was a natural extension. Now, I didn't know if anybody was going to show up. I was on my way out to the Stinghouse in Long Island, wondering if I just wasted tens of thousands of dollars of the network's money. And with that, my producer calls

and said, where the hell are you? We've got two guys showing up in 45 minutes. And as I said, it was off to the races from that. In a weird way, it's almost good if nobody shows up because it's like, well, that means that there aren't bad guys trying to do bad things out there. I only half-jokingly say to my partner in True Blue, Sean Wreck, that, you know, I'm not against doing a cooking show in Italy or France or anywhere. I'm okay with that in 10 years. But I don't think that's going to happen because you think about when we started, right? We had decoys and chat rooms on AOL and Yahoo. That was it.

There was a wildfire in California. Yahoo went down. We had to stop our investigation in Georgia because we couldn't communicate with the guys. we had in the Q. Now, I can't even keep up with a number of social media platforms upon which adults can meet children. And during the pandemic, for instance, the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children will tell you that the number of inappropriate contacts and the transmission of inappropriate material between adults and children soared like 900%. Yeah. And so it's not going away. We had a guy, we did an investigation.

three or four weeks ago, you're in Ohio. We had a 54-year-old guy show up. He drove all the way from the Chicago area, four and a half hours to meet a teenage girl. I'm sitting on the couch with him. As I approach him, he says, oh, I just was having a conversation with someone about you. It's like, come on. And he admits that he had met two other teenage girls with whom he had sex. And he's wearing a necklace, a friendship necklace with half a medallion.

that one of the girls was wearing she had given to him. That's how good he was at grooming this child and breaking down the barriers between adults and children in society and coaxing her into an illegal sexual encounter. That's got to be some surreal stuff when people, when did that first start happening when somebody would show up and they'd be like, oh, fuck, it's Chris Hansen. That's my worst nightmare. It was right about, it started in the third investigation in Riverside County, California because we had done Long Island. We had done Herndon, Virginia, outside of Washington, D.C. Shout out the Hornets. Shout out the Hornets. We had a ton of high-level characters. We had a rabbi who showed up. We had a military guy. We had a guy who walked in the house naked, special guy.

I saw that one. Yeah. Hard to forget that one. And so that really started to get a lot of attention. And Fairfax County authorities prosecuted a lot of these guys. The FBI prosecuted the rabbi and the military guy. And so by the time we got to Riverside, California, which was the next investigation, we had a couple of guys who had seen the show. But it wasn't until, you know, another six or seven investigations into it where guys were walking and said, oh, you're Chris Hanson. I never miss an episode.

When I do, I download them from the Internet. So they react positively? It's almost like a celebrity moment. I had a guy in Polk County, Florida, earlier this year. We did a sting investigation. And the guy refused to talk to detectives. But he was having a fanboy moment when I walked in. He told me everything about his fantasies, about a mother-daughter encounter and all the...

And just, you know, like that serial killer sort of laugh. and just, I mean, it was, it got cameras rolling. And taking his statement, it's all admissible in court, right? He knows, he was excited to talk to me because it was me. Yeah. Do you think there's something in common with all the pedophiles you encounter that they have some sort of, like what would you say besides, you know, what they're there for? Do they all sort of have something that, like a personality trait?

I think they break down into three different categories. And again, I'm not a therapist, but in my experience, there's the hardcore heavy hitter who'd be doing this in a food court in a mall or, you know, he'd be a little league coach or whatever. There's a guy who is younger, one category, a younger guy who's an opportunist, 19, 20, 21. She'll be older one day if it works out. It's okay, you know, bad, wrong, illegal, but that's his mindset. And then there's this interesting category in the middle, the professional, the doctor,

the lawyer, the business guy, the coach, the military guy, a cop. We had a cop earlier this year, about a year ago. who just is predisposed to this, attracted to boys or girls, and just can't control the urge. And in spite of knowing everything, they show up at our Stinghouse after blurring this line between fantasy and reality. And the drive is very strong. People say, oh, God, these guys are so stupid. They're not stupid. They talk about this in the chat. I could get in trouble. I could go to jail. What if this is a Chris Hansen situation? What if it's sheriff, you know, so-and-so, or sheriff-and-so. or if it's this, you know, the feds, they know it's dangerous.

They can't control the urge. And the internet has allowed this to happen. The anonymity, the addictive nature of it, the 24-7 access, these guys get to this point where they can't control the urge. And that's when we see them. So these guys, all bad guys, they deserve to be locked up if they're doing any sort of this behavior. I think so.

I mean, there are cases, and I've talked to therapists where if there is an intervention, if somebody is caught at a young age, and they go through the therapy, and they go through the monitoring, and they do everything they're supposed to do, I think that they can not reoffend. I got a letter. I encourage people who listen to the predators I've caught podcast to write in and send audio questions, and even if it's just an email, I read them. And a guy wrote in and said, I've been watching your show since the beginning I have urges I have a therapist

I have a girlfriend and I avoid situations like chat rooms where I might be tempted and thus far I've never offended but thank you for bringing this to everybody's attention in such a graphic and public way because it's helped me to cope with it

what about somebody that's where I was going to say that that was going to be the question I had to, because this is kind of a hot take, right? But I've always said, like, if I abuse alcohol, if I abuse drugs, or if I abuse people, right, if I'm like, I've known many people who have done all of that, I have a place I can go, like a refuge, right? Sure.

And I hate to humanize pedophiles because it's almost commonplace to say, fuck them, put them under the jail, they deserve to die, I mean, she, I think even Ron DeSantis. This is talking about doing the death penalty and stuff like that. And so I have four children, you know, one on the way. I'm very well aware of the dangers. I understand all of that. I'm saying that, you know, having little babies. I get it.

But there's this human side of me that says, okay, if society shuns you so much that you can't even talk about it, right? As far as like the guy, the guy emails you, right? The guy emails you and he's saying, I've had urges, right? It's hard for him to, he has to be a very strong human being to even go and admit he's having those urges without the judge, without the judgment of the doubt. Because I look at my, like, my sexual preferences are older women. And it's like, it's the opposite of a purpose. It's exactly opposite of a predator. He's a cumber predator.

Nursing homes. In nursing homes. But it's like, it's like the urges. I get those urges too. Like I see an older woman. I'm like, I got a holler at it. And so from like a sexual standpoint, because we're all sexual beings, everybody's a sexual being. Everybody has their thing. That wiring in their brain is, like I said, this is a hot take

because I'm hearing it. I'm like, you're, you're enabling. And I'm trying to preface it with. I'm not enabling. I'm just trying to come at it from a preventative standpoint. So like, what is your, um, uh, I guess take on on kind of normal. it in a way that's allowing them to act on it before it becomes assault, because it is assault. It is assault. It's rape. It's, you know, a child under a certain age, and most states at 16 cannot give consent unless the boy is of the same age. And it varies state to state. But I think the real issue, and you do a great job of bringing this up, is that we don't have a lot of opportunities or enough opportunities for guys to get help. So if you're going to go

to medical school and graduate with a quarter million dollars of debt and you have the choice of being a plastic surgeon six blocks from here on Park Avenue or going into federal prisons every day and doing focus groups with convicted pedophiles, what are you going to do? It takes a special human being and I know them and I've interviewed them and they exist and God bless them for doing the work they do. But it's, it's tough work to sit there with six sex offenders in a federal prison who are going to be there for a long time and have nothing to lose and dig into their minds and figure out, okay, you got caught for this, but how many other times did you do it? Yeah. And did you look at child pornography before you did it? And was there

a link between the viewing of child pornography and you offending with a child? I mean, that's hard work. And it's not everybody in the medical field and the psychiatric field or even the therapy field is cut out to deal with it. But it's critically important that people have the ability to get treatment. Now, there's also personal responsibility. There's discipline. There are people out there who are just bad humans who will take advantage of children who are approaching the age of sexual awareness. And that's a lot of what we see. I mean, this guy shows up with a backpack. The guy talked to, we talked about before the 54 year old. In his backpack, he's got condoms, lubricant, spermicide, plan B pills, vape pen, and he was planning to spend the night.

Now, he's an engineer, right? He's got a regular job. And he's got daughters who are around the same age as the child he was going to rape. So what do we do with that guy? Yeah. That's a bad human. Premeditation, it's a lot of stuff. He's five hours in a car. Yeah. Do you believe? leaving a death penalty for that? That's a tough thing. Yeah, I mean, look, it's all right. There's no put me on the spot. You can ask anything you want. But I think the death penalty takes it to an entirely different level in terms of a conversation

of whether or not that's ever appropriate or anything else. I mean, I think there are certain people who have offended in certain horrific ways that probably deserve it. And I know people in law enforcement, who are not that crazy to the right, who are pretty moderate politically, who would say that's the only way to cure some people. I mean, some guys will offend and reoffend as long as there is the opportunity to do it. So there are those who I don't think are way out there who will say in some cases it's deserved. And I'm not sure that I can argue against them. There's also the conversation we had in some circumstances, not all circumstances, but the people that are offending

like this, they may have experienced something like that when they were a child. I think so, but I don't think that gives, I think that happens. Yeah. And I can't tell you how many times I've been out in public or my wife and I have been out in public and somebody will say, hey, can I talk to you for a minute? And I say, you know, thank you for doing this because when I was a kid, I was victimized. And, you know, you sit and listen and you, you know, it's a heartfelt conversation. But it does provide, I mean, you know, one of the reasons I think why the franchise, the series, the investigations are so compelling and they have gone on for so long is that people get a sense of justice out of it, whether they've been victimized or not. It's hard to argue

against going after somebody who's attacking children. Yeah. So, you know, it's like, and that's the thing that, that's, it's wild to me. It's a bipartisan thing, right? Nobody is against that but you'll find the interesting part of the psychology is of it that I find because I've thought about this a lot because I used to watch a show and I'm like why am I so interested in the show? And it's like the psychology behind it is fascinating because when you look at the entirety of human history, it's only been very recent where we have kind of demonized this behavior, right? And so if we are believers in how we've evolved and we evolved into social creatures, it's almost like this behavior has has been halted in us very recently and i want to say us in people very

recently and and the backlash from it is we like we did a 180 we went from i mean i mean very recently there's there were still states that can you can marry a child like a 12 years old or something like that that that was very recent on laws in the grand in the grand scheme of history yeah in some sense, with parental consent, there were those laws. But still, you know, I still look at it this way. A child is a child. Hold on. Let me lay my plane because I don't want that to get out of contact.

Click that, please. Yeah, yeah. And so, and so like I wholeheartedly agree with it. But my whole thing is I just, there has to be some kind of preventative measures that we take or else it's going to, or the cycle is going to continue. Because we all agree it's bad, but the cycle of it continuing, it's, it's, it's And it almost leaves me into my next question for you is because the cycle of it continuing because we demonize it so bad that we don't have any outreach, a lot of our laws and a lot of

our crimes that we have, we always deal with the, you know, the blood and not the reason why we're bleeding. As technology evolves, how have you been able or what are the some of the different challenges you face as technology is evolving in your investigations? Well, in terms of technology, and all those points you raise are important, in terms of technology, again, we used to just have decoys in two different spots. Now there are hundreds, if not thousands, of places where guys are approaching children. And you can't have a decoy in every one of them. So you know, if we do a sting operation in mid-Michigan or Florida or Ohio or California,

you're getting a tiny percentage of the activity that's out there. And to your point about not doing enough to help people who might offend, that's true. The demand reduction element of this crime is difficult. It's not like the drug problem where we can decriminalize some drug use and get people help to get off the drugs and to beat that addiction. Here, the demand is hard to reduce. And so the best solution, I think, based upon my experience, is education and the protection you put around your child by starting to educate them and have that

conversation at a very early age. Look, you're going into a place where you don't know everybody. If you don't know them in real life, you don't know them on the computer. and there are adults out there who will try to trick you and kids don't like to be tricked and that's where the conversation starts because these guys are very good at grooming when I was growing up don't talk to strangers good advice then good advice now the problem of course is that the guy who's a stranger on Wednesday is so adept at grooming and I read these transcripts I reread them for the podcast and immerse myself in them and it's almost like a template

These guys are so good at breaking down the traditional barriers between adults and children and society that they start to form bonds and friendships and they find the vulnerable kids. We had a woman who wrote to me on the podcast. I interviewed her just a day before yesterday. She was in college and she's watching reruns it to catch a predator online taking a break from writing her paper. And she sees a guy. he said oh my god that's eric this was in 2015 in 2009 eric posing as an 18 year old met her online and had sex with her when she was 16 he was actually 23 and she says oh my god this is that same guy who and the the sting was done in 2006 so at the time he convinced her to have sex he had already served a year in prison was on five years probation and a registered

sex offender posing as an 18-year-old to convince a vulnerable child who was homeschooled and had no social life to have sex with him. What about the opposite direction? Has there ever been a woman in your experience or on the show that has tried to lure like a 15-year-old guy? We haven't seen it in any of our investigations. In 19 years, we've seen talk of it. We've seeing guys try to use it as a ruse. You know, my girlfriend and I are coming over. We've never had in all that time a female predator service in our investigation. And the therapists and the experts tell us that it's because when it comes to female predators, you're more likely to see the teacher-student scenario. Female predators don't like the anonymity that male predators

sometimes thrive on. I'm just speculating, but I would imagine that, like, a woman, it would be easier for, say, a 35-year-old woman if she wanted to sleep with a 16-year-old guy. It would be easier for her to do that with somebody that she knew in real life that was around her as opposed to a guy that would need to, like, go through this whole, like, creepy secret thing to do it with a stranger. We did a case, a story for True Blue, and people can check it out at watchtrueblood.com, T-R-U-B-L-U on our news magazine there, True Crime Nation.

where a woman in her 20s was posing as a teenager, 16, and was hanging out with kids in the state of Portland and convinced this kid at, you know, 13 years old to run off with her, sold his cell phone at a kiosk in a mall. And the mother is apoplectic. Where's my boy? You went to this party and he's never not shown up before. And he's with this girl, older girl.

He's like 24. and he's 13 having sex with her under an overpass living with homeless people in Portland. Now, obviously, she's not right and certainly not typical of all female predators. But, you know, it happens. That would be a wild twist if that happened on to catch a predator at one point. I mean, it's, I'm not ruling it out, but I haven't seen it yet. Yeah. I think the 16-year-old boys tend to not see themselves as victims in a lot of the cases.

Sometimes. Yeah, but in this case that I just referenced, this 13-year-old boy, And I got a chance to chat with him a little bit because I interviewed his mom. You know, he's going to have issues. 13 is 13. Yeah. And we see comments, you know, we put a clip on, you know, TikTok as everybody does. And it generates a lot of attention and leads viewers into True Blue.

And you see some of these comments, oh, it was the best three days of life. He's 13. We don't know how this is going to impact him down the road. What else he saw, what he might experience or suffer from psychologically. I mean, that's a lot for a 13-year-old kid to deal with, with your boy or girl. Guys liked it. And it's almost like a masculine thing for men to be like, man, if I was 13 years old, I would have been having so much sex. That would have been awesome. It's more of them talking about like how they wish their past self had gotten laid more often and not the

reality of like. Or their current self. Yeah. And not the reality of like, if you're a 13-year-old and there's a 40-year-old having sex with you, that's going to just destroy your entire life, regardless of if you're a male or female. It changes. It changes your sexual. experiences. It changes how you look at sex. It changes how you feel about sex. And that influences everything about you. And so I, I, that shit bothers me so much when dudes do that shit because, like, you otherize it. You know what I'm saying? And it makes men, like, pack away this pain that they're not supposed to have. Like, if you felt vulnerable at one point, he was like, didn't that feel good? Like, no, fam, like, that shit, like, you were taking

advantage of. You know what I got? I know a couple guys that had gotten molested when they were kids and they were boys and I know a dude that was molested by men and I know a dude that was molested by women and their experiences were very different but like he opened up about it the one that was molested by women and it's just like you're vulnerable like to be taking advantage about a vulnerable place your mind isn't fully formed at that age 100% yeah 100% and it's I hate that notion yeah super hate that notion I know Billy's got some some questions he wants to get to I'm going to let big T ask a couple as well in a second here but I we talked about this on the show a couple weeks ago because in your situation where a guy would show up to the house and you can see the realization creep over his face that he has fucked his entire life up the rest of his life everything that he's got going with him like you mentioned a rabbi one time showed up in that situation even though these guys came over to do the worst things that you can imagine is there a small part of you that is like that finds it hard to.

to watch a person self-destruct up close that much? It is, especially when you have somebody who's younger. And I try to take a different tact with somebody like that. I mean, if a 19-year-old shows up to have sex with a 12-year-old girl, I mean, that's disturbing. But he is 19, and he can tell me the whole story and everything else. And I'll take a different approach to that person because, you know, he's a younger guy.

He's not fully formed yet, perhaps. But, you know, should he get away with it? No. Because at the end of the day, what's the difference between the danger posed by a 19-year-old man and a 39-year-old man? It's the same danger to a child. Now, the criminal justice system should probably treat it differently. He should get help in therapy, hopefully never re-offend.

But just like the law enforcement community and the courts and the judicial system would treat him differently, I'd treat him differently. too in that moment. I mean, there's no great glee or, you know, high-fiving or anything after somebody comes in. I mean, there's a sense of accomplishment in terms of, you know, we expose somebody. Yeah. He was a bad guy. We had a guy who showed up in Ohio. Did the interview, talked to him, admitted he'd been arrested before, gets arrested. Two weeks later, two weeks later, he's in a county north of where we were in a hotel. room with a 14-year-old girl

after talking her into having sex videoing the sexual encounters two weeks. Yeah, that's pathologic. What should happen to that guy? He's in his 20s. Yeah, that guy is so far gone. There's no hope for him. I was just thinking like on a human to human level, like you can look at

somebody to know this guy is a bad person they do things that ruin people's lives and also seeing them completely fall apart. That might make for a couple of tough conversations. They are tough. conversations and we try to you know it's all about being i think uh transparent in your methodology right when we first did the predator investigations there were those in their traditional

journalistic community that thought we were pushing something too far that maybe we had crossed a line because we worked too closely with law enforcement or that we were too graphic in what we're showing. But hey, it's reality. Are we going to bury it? Are we not going to be investigative reporters all of a sudden? Are we not going to use our enterprising techniques to expose this? No, I'll take that criticism all day long because I think at the end of the day, we created a dialogue and an awareness and we continue to do this that didn't exist before. I mean, look, if the problem's over, then nobody's going to show up. And that hasn't happened in 19 years. And it won't. It's not. It's good to continue.

So have you ever, one quick question before we get to big TV, have, have you ever felt scared in a situation like, where, like, yo, this dude might have done something to me, you know, because like, you never know what they're packing. Yes, to answer your question. But we have as much control over the situation as you can possibly have. You know, law enforcement is there nearby. We have the ability and law enforcement. has the ability to do background, if there's a question about somebody carrying a pistol or somebody has talk online about, I never go anywhere without my sniper rifle. You know, they're going

to take that guy down before I get to him. Yeah. So it is, look, part of the reason why people are so interested in this and follow these stories and the reason they're so compelling is because it's edgy, right? If everybody could do it, it wouldn't be that. that unique. And we have forged the relationships of law enforcement that nobody else has. Yeah. But but yeah. I mean, between journalists and superhero. Well, I don't know. Only in my own mind. Like Buffy the Vampire Slayer. But like Chris Hans at the pedophile. Well, you know, it's funny. So, you know, my older kids are in the business now. I mean, one's a reporter down in Orlando. And when lives in Brooklyn and he does television and film production behind the scenes. But when they were in high school, it was no big deal.

to have a dad on TV because they had, you know, kids whose dads were professional athletes and shipbuilders and Wall Street Titans and everything. But when South Park did a Chris Hanson predator parody, suddenly I was the cool dad. You know, that's what they, there was this crossover into pop culture thing. Did they try to get your voice for that or did they reach out to? They don't do that. Simpsons will do it. Yeah.

The other shows will do it. And, you know, you can record it. It's fun to do and get the swag. But South Park just does it. They don't tell you. I mean, I was literally. on assignment, on a different story on the West Coast, and I get a text from one of my agents says, South Park's doing you tonight. It's pretty funny. I said, well, okay, three hours,

because of the time change, I'll watch it. Twenty-three minutes later, it's taking a dark turn. So did you like it? Did you enjoy your episode? Look, you harness this stuff in pop culture to benefit the mission, right? And if people aren't talking about you or they don't know who you are, what you're doing, then you've either retired and aren't doing it anymore or you're not doing your job. So you have to, without exploiting yourself, without going too far, you have to take advantage of those things when they happen. It's like if we're covering a murder or any other event, I get access because of the predator investigations. It's just pure and simple because law enforcement respects

what I've done. Yeah. Unless you're the cop, Todd Barocco, who I busted in mid-Michigan one day. Yeah. It doesn't have that much respect for you. You use the fame for good. You do. You do.

You do. Right. And at all levels, not just the predator, the take down investigations, but the other things we're working on it. We've got some really compelling enterprise documentaries. I mean, at least a dozen. You know, sexstortion. This boggles my mind.

You talk about kids and being victimized and vulnerable. It's epidemic in our country where scam artists are getting adolescent boys to send sexually explicit pictures thinking they're sending them to a hot young girl. And then they try to extort them. These kids don't have any money. They're getting $100 or $200 or what little money they have. And they threaten to expose them to their family on social media. And these kids are killing themselves.

16, 17-year-old kids who are great students, athletes, and they're so afraid to tell their parents they screwed up. And the parents wouldn't care at the end of the day. Grandma's not going to see the picture. Yeah. You know, these are con artists a half a world away in West Africa. And literally, we're sitting at the San Jose California Police Department doing an interview with a mother who lost her son and the cops and detectives.

who investigate this, they have four reports of extortion while in the 48 hour period that we're sitting there. There's a... I've got four texts. I've had four texts that have blocked each number that and like, hey, how you doing?

I was like, I don't got this number, who's this? And it was like, spread out for like two years. Yeah. But it's like, I was like, who's this? And they're like, I don't know. I do know Anna, but like Anna, so on so. They're like, oh, you don't know. And they'll send a picture of me.

And it's like this, like, woman. And I'm like, bro, bye. But I'm like, I'm like, I've never seen this calm before but they like they lure you in to try to like yeah this one's kind of new to me but i've been blocking the shit out of them yeah but this is going on all over the country i mean and now it's gotten so bad that they're trying to extradite these guys from yeah the foreign countries they're where they're working no it happened to one of my friends in college yeah or you get the email that says like hey no i accessed your webcam no they basically go through snapchat they start

snapping you and being like, yo, I got your Snapchat at a party the other night. Then they start sending pictures of, you know, an only fan girl's nudes that they bought. And then they think it's a real person. Like they even like have the person's Facebook where they hack a girl's iCloud and make you think it's actually them. Then they turn it on you and be like,

hey, we got your dick pick. I'm so glad I don't you Snapchat. That's elaborate, but they're like, yeah, but this is this is epidemic. I mean, we're literally going to North Carolina or South Carolina, rather, in I think like 10 days, to interview a state senator, a state lawmaker whose son

committed suicide and he introduced legislation to make it easier to go after the bad guys and to create education. You know, and again, it goes back to the awareness and educating your kids about predators online. It's the same thing. It's like, look, if you get tricked into doing something, come tell me about it. I remember at the very beginning of the predator investigation. And I had like a dozen middle school kids all, you know, sitting on risers.

I just show our hands. How many of you guys have been approached by an adult online and it made you feel uncomfortable? It grossed you out. I'll raise their hands. How many of you told your parents looking down their shoes? They're going to take away the Internet. We're afraid they're going to yell at us. And that as a journalist, as a parent,

parent, you know, I just had a one of my boys got married a couple weeks ago, presumably at some point, a grandparent, you know, that struck me. Yeah. You got to keep that line of communication open between parents and adults. Because the reality is as a parent, if your child told you something like that, you'd probably be like, good job. Thank you for you. Yeah. I trust the way that you're using the internet now. Thanks for telling me, we're going to fight this bad guy together.

Yeah, you did the right thing. That's like, I know now that my child will let me know if they're getting into that situation. Do you think any of those parents whose kids killed themselves in those interviews where I sat through these incredibly emotional conversations, do you think any of them would have really grounded their kids or taken away their cars or do you think grandma was actually going to see any of that stuff? No, it was in the moment. and because their adolescent brains couldn't get around it and see past it, and because these kids are so, so attached, their egos are so attached to their online persona, what are people going to think of me on Instagram or on TikTok?

It's become woven into the fabric of our very being. Yep. And these kids can't see past it. Yep. Big T. I want to let you cook for a second. So the one question I want to ask, I don't even know if I want to ask it now.

This conversation's been so serious. Obviously what you do is very serious. But are you aware that you're a meme? Yes, I am. And does anyone ever recognize you from that, having no idea like what you do on TV or anything like that? I think most anybody who recognizes me knows about the TV part of it. But you do hear from young people. You do come across people walking down the street who only know you from YouTube.

been social media, you know, who have no idea because of the exact thing you mentioned, that, you know, I started out as a local reporter in 1981 and had been doing this in one form or another ever since, you know. So that was actually something else. You mentioned maybe doing a cooking show in Italy or something like that. If you went back to 1981, what did you want your career to look like? Because obviously this isn't something that everybody envisions their career. Right. I wanted to be, you know, a major market reporter. I mean, I thought at the very beginning, if I could be a reporter for Channel 7 Action News in Detroit, Michigan, what more could you want out of life? And I was very fortunate to not only do that, but to go on and work at the network and to have my own network now and to be in syndicated television and do a lot of different things, executive produce documentaries.

And so I'm very fortunate. I had no vision of how the industry was going to be today. I mean, you know, when I took a computer science class at Michigan State University, we couldn't figure out how this could possibly apply to our typewriters and writing a story on shorthand and getting on television. I mean, what's this all about? I mean, the difference between when I started as a television reporter and my son, I mean, it's a whole different world now, you know,

And I'm very fortunate to have just had the opportunity to grow with it and to have this sense of curiosity, you know, and the ability to not realize there's anything I can't do, you know. People always say, how did you get there? I said, well, I'm too stupid to realize that, you know, that I can't do it. I say, don't put limits on yourself, I suppose. And be curious. I'm sure you're familiar with Carl Monday. Do you know Carl Monday from Cleveland? He was an investigative reporter.

Sure, absolutely, yeah. Carl Monday, he had a segment that came out. I looked it up. I think it's 2006. And he did an expose for no better term on the pandemic of viewing online pornography in Cleveland area public libraries. And they set up like a sting camera and they caught this kid that was like looking at porn in a library. And then Carl Monday approached him on the street, much less tactful than the way that you conduct your business.

It was just like, hey, we caught you jacking off in the library. That was like, that was the precursor to catch a predator without, you know, without all the packaging around it and without the greater mission statement behind it. I just didn't know if you were familiar with his work. I know the name, yeah, because I mean, our studio is in Cleveland, so I'm familiar with Cleveland media. Yeah. On the topic of pornography, there's been a lot of studies saying that the rise of pornography and the widespread access to pornography on the internet has reduced sexual crimes from what you

described earlier, you don't think that's sort of happened to pedophilia. Do you think that these pornographic scenarios are causing more, not regular people, but exposing people to fantasies that they may have never thought before? I think that's a possibility. I think for some people, having access to porn online has prevented them maybe from seeking out certain sexual pleasure in person. But more often than not, and the studies will show. show, I think, that there is a link between the viewing of pornography, especially when it comes to child pornography, and offending. And that at some point, the predator, you know, blurs this line between fantasy and reality and needs to fulfill this fantasy. And they act out on it. So I think when it comes to child porn specifically, I think there's more danger of creating a predator who acts out than in preventing one from it. Because I've heard some people talk about like AI, like AI could help where they like generate fake movies with fake people in it. But I tend to agree with what you're saying, which is like don't put that out there for anybody to see because then they'll be more likely to actually take those urges and act in in real life.

Well, look, I think adults viewing adult material is adult business, right, as long as you're not hurting anybody. The problem is when somebody who's predisposed to praying upon a child views, you know, the abuse of a child. And every viewing of child pornography is the victimization and re-victimization of a child. Make no mistake about that. That person ultimately will in all likelihood offend or try to offend it. Billy, you had something bigger in mind for him, didn't you? What do you think of the whole Epstein and this idea that there's a vast network of pedophiles across government, corporations? Pizza Gate.

Yeah. I don't think there's a vast network. I mean, obviously Epstein was an evil predator, right? And he got a pass because he was the first time around because he was wealthy and because he was politically connected. And because his lawyers were able to create this image of, okay, it's. It's icky, but the girls are of age to give consent. And yeah, he took advantage maybe of some who were from, you know, meager means and paid them. But that's as bad as it got.

Well, that wasn't as bad as it got. It was human trafficking. It was child sex trafficking. It was all bad stuff. And I was digging around in the Epstein story around 2015, and it's one of my career regrets. is that I got busy and unfocused. I chased around some other shows I was doing and some other things.

I sort of set it aside. And the lesson here is that the Miami Herald stuck to it. Yep. And kept chipping away Julie K. Brown and her team at the Miami Herald kept at it and added and added against a lot of adversity.

And without that reporting, Epstein doesn't get prosecuted federally. And the U.S. attorney at the time here in the Southern District, of New York and Manhattan will tell you the same thing. Yeah, because he got a cushy deal because of the political connections and there's speculation that he had CIA connections as well. I don't buy the CIA.

Look, he was good at corrupting people. So if you didn't know the truth about Epstein, right, and say you're a single guy with money and some guy who also has money invites you to go on his jet to his island because he's got girls there, you might take a look at that without normal. what was really going on. But once you figure it out, you should be to get the hell away from there. And the problem was he was able to coach these people and lure them. You know, why is Bill Gates meeting with Epstein? Yeah. You know, why is Clinton on his plane? You know, why are a lot of people associated with him? Well, maybe for a minute there was some legitimate investment interest

or philanthropic interests. But at the end of the day, he was a bad, evil predator. And once he gets you in a compromising position, then you will do whatever he says. There were pictures in that safe when the FBI raided that townhouse. Yeah. And then they leave. 40 blocks from here.

And then they come back and then the safe's empty. He definitely was very good at getting blackmail on people. Oh, he had dirt on people. There's no question. Yeah. But so, for example, Galane Maxwell gets convicted for trafficking. Right. but no one got convicted for getting traffic too.

So there's a whole host of people that might be compromised in various levels that might be worth hunting down if you're a pedophile hunter. Well, yeah, I'm not done with the story, by the way. I'm just saying that in those early stages before he was indicted federally here in New York, you know, there was more work to be done. And we honestly tried to set up a sting in Manhattan. And the levels of security were such that it was, it was impractical. I mean, but I took a good run at it.

You tried to set up in the Epstein sting? We tried to figure out a way to run a sting on the Epstein child trafficking rate, sex trafficking. That would have been incredible. It would have been incredible. And it proved too difficult. And, again, a regret of my career. who knows whether it would have worked or not. Who knows whether you couldn't have gotten passed off the levels of security.

But I spent a lot of time then and then afterwards reporting on this. I've got some stuff that's not been reported yet. I've got some people who I'm still trying to get to speak publicly. I mean, the reporting on this is far from over as far as I'm concerned. Yeah, I mean, just imagine if I get whacked out here on 7th Avenue, you'll know why. That'll be a conspiracy. Let me know if you need a bodyguard or run of an affair. Yeah, I'm down to go on some missions.

Oh, I'm down. Yeah, Bill will be your buddy. I'm just imagining the scene to catch a predator where you're sitting at the kitchen counter and then Bill Clinton and Donald Trump walking together just fresh off the golf course. And they see and they're like, oh, shit. That would be that would be some all-time stuff if you got that one. But it's not over yet. We're still working on it. Yeah.

It's good to hear. Big T. You got anything else? I think that's it. I got one more thing. Okay, really quick. Pedophiles, when they get incarcerated, they tend to face a lot of violence from the general population. Do you believe they deserve an extra level of security because they're sort of a persecuted class in that environment?

What? Persecute is a hard. I think that was the wrong word. That was the wrong word. That's a horrible question. No, no, I see where you're coming from. I'll tell you a story. I found out years later.

So the David Kay, the guy who's a rabbi, right, shows up in the Herndon Virginia sting, gets convicted, a bench trial, a judge trial, federal court. And they took a chance saying, oh, the judge would say maybe it was a sting or maybe he got a trap or it wasn't really. The judge went the opposite way. He said, you know, you're such an evil human being. I'm going to depart above the guidelines and send you away for five and a half years, six years. so he's in prison now the predator investigations are popular among the inmates and i didn't know this but you know when they do the marathons i'll watch on msnbc where it used to so he's in the tv room with all the other federal prisoners in his institution and his segment comes up and i know

this from good sources in the federal government and he starts to get nervous because he's up there on the screen and they put two and two together and apparently he had a rough go for a little while in his particular federal prison. I would imagine that's definitely one of the examples of this person should know better if you're a rabbi if you're that age. Oh yeah and he was working for an organization. There's no indication that he that he harmed any youth in this organization but he was working for an organization in Washington, D.C., a very prominent organization that brought Jewish kids to Washington to learn about important political aspects of Israeli-American relations and that whole thing. It's a great organization. And again, there was no indication he abused any of

those kids, but, you know. But he probably would have if he kept going to abuse a kid that day. He walked into our Stinghouse for a 13-year-old boy like he was, you know, was a spring in his step. Yeah. Did he have the Mike's Hard Lemonade? He did not. Who made that decision of like it was always, okay, make sure that they bring the condoms and the mics hard lemonade. Well, in the course of the conversation with the decoy, anytime the guy actually brings something, it's evidence. It's intent. And so they used to say, you know, bring something that was consistent with the age of the decoy.

So in those days, today it's, you know, white claw or, you know, whatever the sweetest, you know, most childlike alcoholic beverages. We had a doctor. A doctor showed up in Michigan. recently on his sting because a matter of weeks ago, 61 years old. And he brought Coca-Cola, Oreos, and red wine for himself. Because he had this fantasy, the decoy had braces and he was going to, you know, get Oreos in the braces and do his thing. I mean, it's crazy. For an entire day, he's at his practice. So he's 18 patients. And all the while

he's texting this girl who's posing, this decoy posing as a teenage girl. He sends her a picture of his penis while he's seeing patients. He steps away to do this. I mean, but he brought this same, the same items he talked about bringing. And again, that's just another element of the prosecution. Yeah. Do you have to get, like, licenses for that? Because, like, I don't, how many brands wouldn't want to be associated with?

Like, I know, like, I know, like, when, when, when COVID first hit, like, in early 2020, the Corona, the beer, like, stock took a dip because everybody. it was associated to it. So like, did Mike's Hard Lemonade take a dip or did it

give it's an uptick in it? Yeah. What does that say about us? I don't think it. We got a letter one time from the

attorneys for Mike's Hard Lemonade asking us not to use their product for their investigation. Well, you weren't using it. They were. No,

they were. I mean, just, I kind of, I empathize with the Mike's Hard Limited people on that one. It's like, for one episode,

I don't know, maybe maybe do the jacked in. Bring some three T. Bring some three cheese. all right well chris chris hanson thank you very much for joining us i appreciate it it was a good good conversation um thank you for your service i think i can say thank you for your service you've done you've definitely uh through the course of these investigations i think you've probably saved a lot of kids well i i i think we've raised awareness and we've created this dialogue and if people want to

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I just meant that they get killed a lot and beat up in prison. Don't want anyone to think. I was sympathizing. I just wanted to see if Chris Hansen thought that it was extra crime. I don't know. Just want to hear his thoughts. He gave great answer. And I think I think I'm going to get a lot of flag for that too.

It's not an easy topic to talk about because it's like when you're exploring like preventative measures, like you have to take into account, you know, the other side. And so it's hard to even. taken to account the other side because of the heinousness of the crime so I think exploring that

always is going to get your wires cross from the crowd and so like I think we all agree they all should be locked up and we should take

every measured step to make sure it doesn't happen again I think I think what you were getting at Aaron is that we want to also

like prevent that shit from ever happening and what's the best way from yeah that was my main yeah Yeah. Yeah. Yep. All right. Well, that's good. You have a billy persecuted, persecuted class.

I mean, amongst criminals. There needs to be protected class. I mean, they get killed in prison a lot. Like, yeah. I mean, I'm not, I'm not. They do. I'm not. Street justice. Yes. Street justice. I mean, I'm not, I'm not, I'm a fan of an iPhone or not, but I mean,

And a box full of criminals, I mean, yeah, well, that's how they, that's how they take care of business. I'm not really, the politics of prison in general are interesting, but we should do an episode on that, on like prison gangs. The politics of prison? Yeah. Politics of prison would be good. And like different prisons had different, like, rules. Mm-hmm. Like West Coast versus East Coast, but like, you got to pick a side when you go in and shit, wow.

Yeah. Do you guys want to do that next week? We can. Yeah. The politics of prison? I got a, I got a boring documentary to make you, I'll pay $5 for it.

I'll pay $5. I will pay, I will Venmo all of you $5 that documentary. Is there someone that we, is there someone to work with that's been to prison? Just jails different than prison. True. Been a jail.

I haven't been in a prison, though. We don't, we don't work with anyone that's been like prison, prison, right? Drunk tank. I got, drunk tank doesn't count's either. I know some.

Oh, no, no, no, no. I know people that have. I know I know like gangbangers who have been to prison for years. If maybe. Yeah, we should have more. Good dudes, though. You know, the side of dudes. Just got caught up in the system.

Was Brace Beldon in prison, prison? I don't think that he was. I don't think that he's been to prison prison. But Aaron, do you think you could ask somebody? Yeah, I got a couple of homies. Yeah. I'll see what they say I'm interested

I find out more yeah it's wild and he was like a banger banger like out there yeah it's gonna be a lot of like so how's focusing on Jim when this

be like shit the fuck yeah nah he's good no he's a good dude it's not of the most that's what I say most most gangbangers I know like they just regular dudes

who that's that's what they that's what they did that's they they love a set whatever the case may be But they just regular dudes and they don't be on that shit all day. You know what I'm saying? They mostly try to focus on that. Especially when they got older, like younger cats, they kind of be on it.

But like, old as you get, as you age, it's like, nah, man, you got to try to find something else to do. All right. Well, we will see you guys next week on nanodosing and then macrodosing full episode coming out next week. Hopefully we can get somebody that fits that bill that can come on to educate us because that's fascinating dynamic to me. But we will see you guys then.

Love you guys. Mm-hmm, mm.