Macrodosing: Arian Foster and PFT Commenter - Cults

Episode Date: August 10, 2021

On today's episode of Macrodosing, we're talking about all different types of cults. Join PFT, Billy, and Big T as they discuss some of the most well known cults in history. Also get your occasional riffing about the most random things in the world including: Jackass, Alex Jones, Chimeras, and so much more.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/macrodosing

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It's Colt Week, baby. Colt Week 2020. I'm just going to start referring to this year's 2020 like the Olympics are doing. Dude, this cult stuff was pretty dark, I must say. Like going down a lot of this, like I was more like, you know, when you think about cults, yeah, no, really when you think about cults, you don't think of anything good.

I think that there should be, we should talk a little bit about some, Colts have to be pretty exciting and happy until they get broken up, until they go to that bridge too far. Like, I'm sure that in all the weird sex cults, like polyphonic spree made some great music before they achieved cult status um there's cults let it would be fun to be in a cult i think creed bratton said it best right like it's more fun to be a member of the cult than it is to be the leader but you make more money as a leader um there's some cults out there right now that are still churning and probably fun to be in

i'm technically a leader of a cult uh was kind of disbanded recently the berserker blood gang yeah the berserker blood cult uh it was a cool idea i thought but then You know, life got in the way, and I couldn't lead the cult anymore. Life got in the way? Yeah. What is life getting in the way look like for you? Like, I donated blood too quickly, and I passed out once, and then I had to train for a fight. So death got in the way, not life got in the way.

Just giving too much blood. Yeah. But if you do want to donate blood, we did start a second berserker blood cold. I think we in Big Cat started the berserker blood cult. So if you're thinking about donating life, give somebody the gift of life, donate blood, do it for us, berserkers. Still donate blood. Still donate blood. Colts are, they're fascinating to me.

Just brainwashing in general is always exciting to me. But before we get into that, a couple housekeeping notes here. Coley's not in. Coley had some, life got in the way for Coley today. He's got some family stuff that he's got going on. So he's not here. Arian is dealing with technical issues out of his hotel room. Basically, they don't want you to hear Arian.

I think we're getting too close to the sun and somebody's fucking with its transmission. So thoughts and prayers to Arian Stay away from the deep state If they're after Aaron Keep your head above water Arian actually said The last text that he sent to us Before we started this podcast

Was I have information That will lead to the arrest And execution of Hillary Clinton And so now his internet connection is not working Just kind of a fun deal to toss in there So yeah Hopefully he'll join us in a little bit But if not we're just going to keep powering on through this

We do have Mad Dog here We got Big T We've got Avery We've got Aryan and Spirit and Coley in Spirit today. And obviously there's Billy on PFT. So what do you guys want to get into first today? Because I feel like we should maybe at least talk about the text that we got from Big T over the weekend.

Okay. That's an unfair way to characterize it off the jump. I just shared some screenshots of a thing. I had no opinion on it one way or the other. I just, there were a couple screenies. You were just passing along. I was just passing along things I saw. Some screenies.

Yeah. Yeah. And so what did these screenies say? I will read them verbatim. Let me find them. The first one was from... So this is from February 20th, 2019. Alex Jones and Joe Rogan War leads to conspiracy theory meltdown. Info Wars host says babies harvested for organs. Then the other day, here's a headline from Fox News.

Millions in federal money flowed to tissue bank that collected, quote, fetal hearts, gonads, legs, and brain at the University of Pittsburgh. So, okay, explain the connection there. Again, I don't, I was just passing along. You were just sharing some screenies about fetal gonads. Correct. I have no thoughts on the matter.

I was just passing things along that I saw. So when I read that, and I'm familiar with Alex Jones's takes on things that go into medicine and things that go into vaccines and how basically, according to Alex, you're injecting dead babies into yourself, anytime you take any number of medications from Big Pharma. And so then I'm trying to figure out an eloquent way to explain what stem cells are to Big T. Because I think that's what Alex Jones is getting at, where there's stem cells used for all sorts of research and to like regenerate body parts and organs and use in all sorts of treatments for sicknesses. You could make the argument like, yes, the stem cells were part of a living thing at some point. I don't think that's the

same is like you're you're getting close to the with the adrenachrome stuff where you just like crack open a baby's like neck drink their blood and that's that's why you're saying that's why you're saying you a lot you're saying you a lot or sorry you're screeny I have nothing I literally don't have any thoughts on this at all like it sounds like I'm joking I'm not okay I don't care I thought it was an interesting thing to pass along though because you are interested in Alex Jones I am interested in Alex Jones as of our first episode of macrodosing on Alex Jones Alex Jones said, I remember his first rant regarding all of that, and he also mentioned half human, half frog hybrids in laboratories in England and like a bunch of other crazy stuff. So once Alex Jones is once again cast a very, very wide net of an ascitation, and part of it has came true as we saw with the Epstein stuff and other stuff.

So, you know, that's why I think the point is to prove here. But remember, in that very same rant, he was talking about human chimera hybrids, which are like half animals. And, you know, maybe, maybe that's also true. We just don't know yet. That might be kind of cool to hang out some human animal hybrids. You just think about fucking a half frog. No, no.

Maybe just like. Maybe just get a hand job from it. No. You know that you've considered, like, if, Billy, if you stumbled onto the set of the shape of water, and you didn't know that it was a movie set you probably would have been seduced by the fish well the fish seduced many people right it was really good at seducing I'm not

I'm not saying that's an indictment on you I'm just saying like if you were in the wrong place at the wrong time it would be cool to meet a human animal hybrid talk them about their experiences I mean have any of you been to like you know you go to the like the state fairs and like they had those like tense and it's like half woman half dragon

the freak shows yeah do they still do they still do you the freak shows? Honestly, I saw a miniature pony that was the world's smallest, yeah, which happens at many, but what they do is they put you on a platform and you look down so the pony looks smaller. It's an old trick. Old carney trick. Anyway, I was with my mom and I honestly was too scared to go into the half lady, half snake or half dragon tent because I honestly got social anxiety because I was like, well, what if I have to talk to this? I was like seven, I was like, like, what am I going to say?

Yeah, my mom was just like, just we could go. I was like, no, like I was just like a toddler. If we're pointing fingers, I just want to say this only came up today because Billy walked in here and he's like, so Alex Jones was right. It's true. No, well, in a way, like he just, he said in a very inflammatory way than organ donation, which is a great, like, thing. It saves people's lives. To be fair to Billy also, that's how he greets us on most days. Is it just like, hey, Alex Jones right again, nailed it.

You're right, he casts a very wide net. So, yeah, just Big T, next time that your favorite athlete comes back in like eight months from a torn ACL, you should accuse that person of, like, harvesting baby organs and having them injecting in their knees, getting stem cell treatment. Like, by that logic, RG3 has performed personally like seven million abortions and injected them all into his pettler tendons and ACLs, which I'm not saying he hasn't. I'm just saying that by that logic, even he has. Sure. But yeah, good to have you back.

Good to have everybody back. We're going to have a fact off, I think, at some point today. I'm retired. Between Billy and Big T. I think we need to make that a weekly segment on this show. I'm retired. It's a quick fact off. If you, Mad Dog and Avery, if you guys were to get some sort of like half animal hybrid,

what would you want put into your body? So it's like my body and I'm just adding an animal to it? Yeah, I'll let Billy actually define the parameters of a chimera in many regards. We've actually seen... Is that what it's called as a chimera? Well, some sort of animal-human hybrid or animal-animal-hybrid. It's actually in classical mythology. I'm a big fan.

I just immediately saw Billy turn into the Winnie of the Poo-Meam where he puts on the tuxedo in the top hat. A hybrid in mini... No, they're doing it all the time. They're actually been doing a lot of genetic engineering. For example, they grew a human ear on a rat. recently and they just injected it with you know they grew the skin cells and whatever a lot like the fake meat we were talking about and that was a human animal hybrid like for real they grew a person's ear on a rat also they're doing other stuff like injecting jellyfish DNA into other

fish or even cats I think and make glow in the glow in the dark cats that's kind of cool yeah there's nothing worse than stepping on a cat in the middle of night when they're sleeping right I think, you know, that's a huge step in, like, cat innovation. It is. So, yeah, what would you guys, if you were to become a chimera, what are you trying to get? My mind immediately went to, like, either a dolphin or a shark so you could, like, swim really fast. I don't know what that kind of like... Mermaid.

You want to be a mermaid. Yeah, I want to be a mermaid. Yeah, I think one of the classic chimeras, hybrids. Yeah. I think having the lung capacity of a dolphin would be incredible. Yeah. Being able to go underwater for such long distances. And then, like, the jaw of the shark would be kind of.

kind of cool and like the fear factor that the shark holds i think it'd be cool to be feared like that so i i'm kind of thinking like realistically if i were to become a chimer because like if you if you got a jaw from a shark no one would want to hang out with you right like you'd be a real buzzkill like you'd walk in a room people'd be like this kind of weirds me out but also if i'm mermaid i can't like i can't walk so that's the hard part and mermaid they probably smell too yeah smell like the ocean so that's why i thought went with something like internal like the pasty thing. Can you do that or do you have to be like a centaur where it's like half bottom half and then top half? What I would do so actually chimera just refers to any hybrids of animals. What we're

talking about right now is human chimeras, human animal hybrids. I would go with something that was like very low key and very discreet so that you could still interact with humans. I actually would go for maybe like some functional fish gills like right behind the years. Or like um what's the thing that bats have the sonar. Oh, echo location? Yeah. There's actually blind people who develop that.

They can just scream at stuff? Yeah, I saw there was this TV show called The Most Extreme. Yeah, no, it was this blind person. We need a lot of people. No, it's not. Their senses become so good that they develop it because they just can't see

so they need to adapt in other ways. I would say just wings. Like, who wouldn't want to be able to flock? But then you get the demon connotation, you know, with having wings. I'm actually thinking the wrong type of wings. Angels.

Angels have feathered wings. Yeah. That was like the biggest distinction between like angels and demons. Angels had feathered wings. Yeah. Demons had the bat wings. They got scaly wings.

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now I know that sounds crazy using echolocation like how we as humans use that when like dolphins have huge parts of their brains just dedicated to that so with bats but if you like put your head near a wall and listen to sound sound like it does kind of sound different even with your like eyes closed you know what about the Doppler effect you know like when a fire engine comes down the street and you can hear it changing pitch as it gets closer to you and then as it gets further away. Could you, do you think the human ear can eventually just hear people around them, not even necessarily like the sounds that they're making, but like, is there a frequency that's always coming out of a human being at any given time that if you are walking past and you get so tuned into their their frequency, you can tell exactly how far, like you turn your body into its own radar system? I could see that. I mean, when you're like sleeping in a room and someone walks in the room, no matter how quiet there are, you always sort of sense it. you know what I'm saying? Unless you're Trent Richardson that will never be able to tell if somebody is like right next to him.

Also, I think it would be kind of cool to have a kangaroo pouch. Yeah, yeah. Or a stinger. Yeah. Like if you had a stinger on your body somewhere and like only you knew where it was. Like maybe your pinky finger.

I would want to hide something easy to hide just because the government would definitely come get you if you were obviously chimera. Yeah, retractable claws maybe. Yeah, Wolverine. what about you big t i mean i feel like it's the obvious answer but like centaur like that's the coolest you want a horsecock wouldn't hurt it's like a majestic powerful creature you'd be like some narnia shit like that'd be uh-huh that'd be cool you could maybe be used in like a new kind of

warfare like maybe the next war we go into they're like we got up the centaur yeah but then they're sending you the front lines like if if you know i feel like no but it would you'd be so valuable that they'd make sure you're taking care of. No, but remember the rule and war we talked about last time where you can't kill the horse? That's true. You wouldn't be the horse anymore so they'd kill you. They'd chop your legs down.

What do you mean anymore? I'm not a horse now. There was like chivalry where you like weren't allowed to touch horses. Right, no, but you're saying I wouldn't be the horse anymore. I would be 50% more horse than I am right now. Right, but since you'd lose your horse riding immunity. I think that was like the whole thing about Braveheart that there was like, we're fighting the English and then the sky. She was like, yeah, we're going to kill your horses.

And then no one was like, what? Like, you can't kill the horses? Yeah, they didn't sign up for this. Hey, I saw the modern pentathlon. Those horses are just as responsible as all of us. Do you see that girl in the pentathlon? Yeah, she sucks. So the modern pentathlon, I became an expert on the sport over the course of the weekend.

It's actually got a pretty sick background. So it's based off this soldier that existed, I think, in ancient Greek times, that got caught behind enemy lines. had to shoot his way out, steal a horse, ride the horse, then run. There was like a whole bunch of things that they had to do to get back to safety. Then they made a sport based off of that person's adventure. That became the modern pentathlon where you have to do things like sprint, ride a horse. There's either archery or rifle shooting involved.

And so that's what this girl was doing when she was competing. She had the biggest lead in the modern pentathlon. And then she got on a horse, which was randomly assigned to her. Like they have a stable of Olympic quality horses. and they give them out by random selection 20 minutes before the event. So you have 20 minutes to become friends with the horse and then make it jump over these obstacles. When this girl got into the ring,

she was bawling her eyes out because she knew that she had a horse that did not fuck with her. This horse was not viving with her whatsoever and would not do anything. So she got all the faults possible and ended up losing the modern pentathlon when she was going to get a gold medal. But it just came out today that the trainer

and this girl's coach was helping her get acquainted with the horse in those 20 minutes the horse was not cooperating as well as they thought it should be and the coach just started punching the fucking horse in the face

and then the horse gets out in the ring and obviously he's like I'm not going to jump for you you were just beating this shit out of me backstage like uh and so then the horse obviously did not cooperate

and she lost it but I knew like watching it hey if you make part of your event event meeting a horse and then training it and then riding it sometimes you're going to get a horse that doesn't fuck with you that's basically you have to be the ultimate horse girl yeah like horse girl energy like that trainer was definitely a dude right like i don't know like horse girl energy is like you like i've seen it like girls walk up to horses and they just vibe with horses immediately no

germany's coach for the modern pentathlon kim raisner has been disqualified from the remainder of the olympic games after she's during competition punching a horse and encouraging her athlete to do the same so it was a woman whoa you don't punch a horse so she was a shitty horse girl apparently she probably has short hair no i know like a bunch of girls who just can approach horses and the horses just automatically chill out and vibe with them what is that are you a horse girl mad dog no a horse shit on me when i was like three and i haven't come back from that the horse shit on you yeah like like on my head all over me this there's there's like one percent of our listeners out there that are like this is the fucking hottest how does that

even happen how do you get shit on by a horse as a three-year-old was your mom punching it in the face no was my dad i was on vacation in hilton head um in south carolina and my dad took me to see horses like in some stables or whatever and i think i i think my dad i don't remember but i think my dad was trying to like take a picture with me and the horse and i was like like like placed like behind and again I'm a three year old I'm small I was placed behind the horse's ass and then it had like diarrhea on me on me and then my dad was like unequipped for that kind of mess so had like baby wipes and shit and like try to clean me up and then brought me home or back to the hotel or whatever and my mom's like what what happened and then I haven't

been close to horses since. So I don't think I have that energy. Yeah. You know, I always was told never to stand behind a horse. Yeah, no, because you'll probably get shit on. Or get kicked. Or get kicked. Yeah, I could have died. Yeah, that was the big one. That was my first thought. I was like actively placed behind the horse. So I don't, I don't mess with horses. I think that was a galaxy brain moved by your dad to be like, I really don't want Madeline to ask me to buy her a horse or to ride ponies because that's expensive. So I'm just going to traumatize her from a very, very. young age by having a horse take a massive dukeye on her head and it wasn't even like like if you if you go like um near central park where like all the horses are on the carriages

or whatever it wasn't like that like apparently it was like just actual diarrhea like liquid shit all over me geez jeez yeah tough tough look wait was this horse where was this horse uh south carolina okay all right never mind i thought it was gonna be in ohio you also ate horse shit i did eat i i put horse shit in my mouth i chewed and i immediately threw up so But that was different. That's different, Avery. That was so that the Caps could win a Stanley Cup. And guess what?

It worked. It worked. So no regrets. I'd see. I'd do it for a Rangers Cup. All, out of all shits, horse shit is probably the, like, most not shit-like. Really?

Yeah. Yeah, if you see it in Central Park, like. It's just grass. It's just grass. And like straw or hay. Yeah. I mean, there's definitely some shit mixed in there. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. Well, right. Their digestive, their digestive system is, is, is that the worst, like, just thing in general you've ever done? I don't think I've ever taken a bite of food and immediately thrown up before I even had a chance to try to swallow before. But just in terms of life in general, like, have you done something that was less enjoyable than that? No, probably not. That was, that was, that was, well, being in the middle of the fact off last week was, uh, it had its moments too. But, no, I think, I think eating, eating horse shit is probably the grossest thing that I've done.

Yeah, I can safely say that. Yeah, that's... I mean, like, the shit to not shit ratio of horse shit is probably the lowest out of any shit. Like, cows eat the same amount of just grass and stuff, and their, like, cow patties are just shit. What about fish shit? They, other fish? Like a shark shit. Huh.

Because I don't know if they, they probably don't chew that much, right? Right. Actually, that'd probably be... I think I would eat shark shit. shark shit would probably be cool i know that shrimp have shit they've got that little vein that goes down the back yeah yeah actually lobster shit the green stuff so i just looked up shark poop yeah i just watched a great white take a massive shit yeah it's more since it's in water it's it's like it isn't but it looks like almost dust like cloud okay um but it was like the the thing i'm getting is

hilarious moment great white sharks shits all over cage um so it's like green like liquid okay i think maybe what do you think would be the animal with the grossest shit to eat i think an underrated choice would be penguin grossest yeah because they eat like nothing but human they eat weird fish all day no but human is the one with all the bacteria that can mess you up you think human has the nastiest shit It's probably the worst for you because it has all the bacteria. Doesn't other things have bacteria? Right, but like the bacteria that would mess us up. Yeah, no, I'm talking about like grossness-wise in terms of taste, in terms of...

I feel like elephants. Elephants shit? It's probably not a good one. It's probably, I don't say, I think it's probably close to cow. Like that sort of... I actually saw an elephant shit at the Bronx, too. It was disgusting. It just falls out.

right? It just like tumbles out of their back. Yeah. And hippos. Hippos bad shits, too. Yeah, I can see that. Rhinos. I feel like, anything at the zoo. I actually think that bears would have relatively clean shit to eat.

They're just eating like berries and seeds. Buries, seeds, and yeah, like clean salmon. I've seen it. It just looks like, it looks like super dark. They call it scat. Yeah. I don't know why they call it bear scat. Oh, you know what?

is um like owl pellets like do you remember did you have to like dissect those in like fifth grade and the it just bones yeah and like fuzzy it's like hair yeah hair and bones so i feel like that would just be like tough because it's like crunchy right but as far as picking animal shit that you would have to eat goes i'd actually say that's pretty high up because i can like choke down a dusty bone pellet yeah more easily than i can eat shit it's also fur it's a fur ball it's a fur ball right with bones in it. Yeah, all of like the mice. It's essentially like what Buffalo Wildlings has become now. So I just looked

it up. There's a huge discussion about human primate like chimeras of human primate embryos and they're saying that they shouldn't legalize it because then they're going to make human chimpanzee hybrids and test on them

because they're the closest things to humans that aren't humid so they could legally do medical tests on them. So now you're talking about the plot of sorry to bother you that's what it is pretty much yeah that's a great movie what's it written directed by boots riley from the band what was it the cringe huh no sorry the coup the coup was was boots riley's band uh and so yeah it's a it's a good movie it's about a guy that gets a job in a call center and gets a bunch of promotions but then that stuff kicks in that you were talking

about uh i actually just happened to come across uh this tweet from npr did you see how they classified the trainer who punched the horse? No. A German coach was booted from the Tokyo Olympics after she lightly punched a reluctant horse that was refusing to ride during the equestrian portion of the modern pentathlon. I think if you're punching a horse,

we don't need to bring any adjectives into it. It's like this bitch punched a horse. When is it okay to punch animals? Good question, Billy. When you're getting attacked by a shark? Yeah, if the animal is trying to kill you. That kangaroo video. the kangaroo that's hugging the hunting dog and then gets punched in the face.

If the animal is trying to kill you or your dog. Okay. At that point, I think it's fair game. Also, if you're Australian, you can just punch anything you want. That's how they say hello there. Yeah, punching a horse is not a good look. Not a good look. We could call on the horse girl, the horse girl energy.

Gun girl has horse girl energy, doesn't she? I feel like... Her hair does. Her hair does, big time. Oh, actually, not to give free ads, But main and tail, that's when you see the girls who use main and tail shampoo, it's horse shampoo. There's girls who use horse shampoo. I've seen that.

I learned, I was like, what? It's like a thing. Well, I've also heard that it's really good shampoo. Yeah. I'm considering making a switch to main and tail. Actually. I heard horses and shampoo and it just makes me think of the jackass kit where they had Johnny in Oxville using horse come as shampoo for like a month.

You ever see that? No. They kept mixing like horse come into his shampoo. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he was using it for an entire month, and then they showed it to him in like a movie theater. I need to go back and watch all the jackasses. Yeah, there's new one coming out.

I need to refresh myself on that. Yeah, it's going to be so funny. I hope no one dies. That's really the only way that they're going to stop making new jackasses is if they get carried away with a stunt and somebody dies. Besides that, just bring it on. What's your favorite jackass sketch? Big T

I was actually telling some of my friends the other day because I saw the commercial for the new movie I've never watched Jackass What?

Never seen one You've never seen a TV show or the movie No So I was like I'm gonna watch this one Now that

But because like I was a kid So like It didn't really Yeah I just never All right Big T

What I want you to do Can you find Jackass The movie online right now? Let's find out Yeah Look it up And then I want you

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Big T, he had a smile that started to creep onto his face. And he was like, I don't know if I can laugh at that without losing my job. Well, no, I was going to say, when you said that, I was actually going to say that. Not a cult. I've mentioned before the church that we went to when I was a kid was pretty, it's not a cult, but they were pretty crazy. What about you, Madeline? I mean, the only thing that I can think of that. I've been like compared to a cult is like a sorority yeah and then I went to an all

girls high school and people call this a cult so there are a lot of things I think that being in a cult is cults are spectrums so there's a lot of stuff that you could probably define as a cult if you wanted to like being a fan of university Tennessee football has many cult-like traits being going to like playing on a football team just in general could be classified as being a cult it has many cult like traits especially when everyone is like considered like you have to fall online you have to give ultimate respect to this person and there are a lot of I'm really good at identifying when old friends of mine from high school start to fall into multi-level marketing schemes on Facebook and they start posting videos a big clue to me is like whenever somebody updates

their Facebook stories that's cult like behavior I don't care what you're there's no good reason to be utilizing Facebook stories on a day to day basis and there's so many of those out there the multi-level marketing things

that I think probably like they start to blur the line into whether or not something is a cult or not but I do have I've got a document here that I can pull up and it's let's see

what what university is from this is from sorry the U U-U-C-N-R-V.org. It's about cults. It says, one, groups that meet the definition of a cult tend to have an escalating negative impact on the lives of followers. These groups exhibit many common characteristics.

It's a religion or sect generally considered to be extremist or false under the guidance of an authoritarian charismatic leader for whom members exhibit fixed, even religious veneration. There's one charismatic leader that is the group's sole authority on truth. Only this leader decides or has the right to approve all policies and practices. Members are zealous, protective, and unquestioningly committed to the leader. Members regard the leader's beliefs and practices as truth and law. The leader affirms or enforces this idea. Questioning, doubt, and dissent are discouraged or punished. The group's leadership dictates how members should think, act, and feel.

Members require the leader's permission to change jobs, date, marry, or have. children. The leader tells members where they can live and how to teach and discipline their children. Criticism or jokes about the leader or group are taken very seriously, likely punished. The group is elitist, claiming special status for itself. The leader members maintain theirs is the only path to truth and salvation. And then there are some behavioral patterns, some abusive behavioral patterns that also fall along in most cults. But that is the general definition of a cult that we're going to be, we're going to be going to be going off of on today's show. So that information was in the article, characteristics associated with cult groups by Dr.

John Jalilich and Dr. Michael Lagone in 2006 from the International Cultic Studies Association. That sounds like an awesome place to work. So the word cult comes from the Latin, Kolo, Kolari, Koltis, for everyone who had to take Latin because you went to Catholic school. that's one word yeah well it's four declensions right there how you in that basically it comes from the the last one cultus is like the pluperfect or something

that is the fourth anyway did you say the word declensions yeah what's the declines I feel like that's the first time that I've ever heard that word in my life it's Latin bro okay it's just crazy got it yeah I took Latin once because I thought it would help me did it I did it just did I just did I Actually, attention Billy's high school Latin teacher, Billy just applied a term that he learned from you and taught hundreds of thousands of people the definition of a declension.

I actually probably got totally wrong. It might be declension. I don't think it's the right word. It's just a type, I don't know. Who cares? No, it is. I looked it up. It's fourth declension.

Anyway. A declension is. It means to foster, maintain, to live in a place or inhabit. or to cultivate and promote growth. So there's one thing that separates cults from, like, culture is this idea of, like, it has these three things, four things. It has to be, there has to be a charismatic leader, social group defined by its unusual, religious, spiritual, or philosophical beliefs, particular objective or goal in excessive

devotion. Just because there's two things, because I was looking through a lot of this stuff and I was like, okay, what's culture and what's cult? because a lot of people call stuff a cult is like a joke like if it just has a particular object or goal and excessive devotion it does not necessarily make it a cult okay so like a lot of you know workplace environments sports teams like there is excessive devotion in particular object or goal but does not necessarily make it a cult all right so hypothetically if if we're just going to talk about a football team right right new england patriots what makes the new england Patriots, not a cult. Bill Belichick is not charismatic. Oh, no, that's not true. You always hear, like, he's really funny when he's not on camera,

when he's not talking to reporters. People like, Bill is the funniest guy in this room. You think he's charismatic? I think he is behind the scenes, yeah. Well, what is it's, well, the Patriot way is the philosophical belief. Yeah. Yeah, it sure is. Excessive devotion by followers to do crazy things like occupy a...

Do your job. yeah do your job okay maybe is a cult so really you could take this definition to mean like a lot of sports teams could be considered cold but they don't have like that uh that sinister like when people talk about bill bellichick being like charismatic leader he's not saying like the only way to exist is to follow my truth he's just saying the only way to exist for my team is to exist in this truth i was going to say to his players i think he does say that yeah actually i think we're talking ourselves into the Patriots actually being a cult. I've just realized

that I've been a part of many cults and I'm in denial. Yeah. This is what it looks like breaking the brainwashing. It's a painful experience. I mean, if Bill Belichick was like honestly, I think sex is definitely a component in all cults. So if Bill Belichick was like had prima

knocked on Giselle, I think that would make him more cult-like. Do we know that he doesn't? Actually, we do not. I bet you Ernie Adams gets first on that. Ernie goes and explore. Yeah. So you could take the definition of a lot of things and kind of like work it into cults. But there's, I guess in modern society, in the way that we think about cults is there's always like something a little bit sinister involved, something that's like kind of like dangerous or will trick people into doing things that they in a million years would never have even considered doing and turning against like their own family and friends and kind of just changing their entire personality, everything about them. in order to follow a cult.

So I guess before we get into specific examples, I've always wondered, when do cult leaders, like do cult leaders actually sit down and think to themselves, I'm going to start a cult? Or do you think that cult leaders are already kind of in their own cult, their cult of one, that they try to spread to other people?

So, I mean, I think it all, like if we want to look at examples of like real cults that start up, it all starts with a certain belief system and like one guy trying to like honestly we're we're not to be too critical religion as a whole but one guy convincing a bunch of other guys that his beliefs and philosophies are right is short of the genesis of a lot of cults and there are some parallels to religion but it sort of has to do with the end goal and like the sort of means to justify the spread of the religion. Or like one, one person trying to convince a bunch of folks around him that he is God or that he is like the only one that's being spoken to by a higher power. Do you think

that that person is usually crazy though? Yeah, I'm sure it varies by case to case, but do you think the guy that starts the cult, the, the Elizabeth Holmes of starting the brand new organization are that, do they know like, I am just going to make this up because I want all this power for people? Or are they like, I actually, you know what? I'm right. I am God. I think they, I think it starts, like, I think they do in their head think that a certain thing, like they actually believe their cause. But I think then once they get in that position of power, that's when they just start going. Like, like, once they get, once they get good feedback, they start to believe their own bullshit more. And then it's kind of like the, the natural reward

that they're getting encourages that behavior for them to keep going. I think it's like the Stanford prison experiment. Once certain people get a lot of power, then they just start doing whatever they want to their followers. I heard that that was, that was for Gasey, that the Stanford Prison Experiment, it was fucked up. Yeah. Like, we've been learning about it for years, but I heard recently that, like, some of people that were involved in organizing it. Yeah. Kind of lied about exactly what happened. So it didn't go to Lord of the Flies, like, not really. But again, I forget the source that I saw on that. It could have been somebody that ran the experiment. It could have also been somebody that was in the experiment as a guard who is saying like we knew that it was an experiment the whole time

we were just playing along but that also might be them trying to make themselves look in retrospect big t yeah in a 2017 interview corpe i guess one of the guys who was uh and it stated that his breakdown had been fake and that he did it only so that he could leave and return to studying he had originally thought that he could study while quote imprisoned but the prison staff would not allow him so he wanted to get out of the experiment yeah so he was like this is dumb i just want to go home that guy was in a cult that guy was in the cult of ivy league education system yeah i can refer to stanford as being ivy league right you're the ivy league of they're the harvard of the west well i think berkeley might have something to say about that berkeley would probably

call themselves now higher academia is definitely cult like yeah yeah but really everywhere you go if they're cults i've always just wondered like the guy who who starts a cult how does that even begin How do you get people to buy it if you yourself aren't even bought in? So I think there's probably a ceiling on somebody who is self-aware, starting a cult and just trying to fool people. There's probably only so big that they can get before, like, they just start to crack because they realize that they don't even believe they're bullshit. Huh. You know? Then there's also, you know, the cult of personality, which is another, you know, influence of cults.

Like this was an idea that was first populated. this idea that, you know, in order to have a cult, you need a personality, you need this, like, number one guy. It was first used in Karl Marx, in a letter from Karl Marx who a German political worker in November 1877. And then it was famously used in Nikita Khrushchev's 1956 speech on the cult of personality and its consequences on the final day of the 20th Congress of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union. basically was like this Stalinism is antithetical to Marxism and sort of this idea that these leaders enlisted such a cult following that it sort of goes far away from the actual first you know beliefs and like what they were trying to do in the beginning so for example communism hijacked by Stalin and then became this thing that wasn't about everyone being equal and like you know

will actually hopefully arian drops in soon and we can sort of talk about how that goes bad and how basically like you know uh one of the reasons why people say that communism will never work in actualities because of this cult of personality effect that basically someone gets someone starts like yeah like revolution like we're all going to be equal and then once they get the power then they start doing messed up stuff so like this is like the reason why you know maybe like Because a lot of these cults are religious, like people seeking enlightenment in religion or in their beliefs. And it just goes really, really badly. Except, you know what?

You know who doesn't fall into this role? Elron Hubbard. Really? He created Scientology, which a lot of people who have left the Scientology Church have said this is 100% a cult. To be fair, that was Billy saying that a lot of people that have left Scientology have said that. That was not Billy saying that. yeah i'm not trying to get sued billy is that they doing that sign oh scientologist will come for you up they will yeah a parody law yeah i fuck frogs yeah there we're good okay done

i think that'll that'll solve it i think you don't even have to say if you just say i fuck frogs after anything that's just like saying no offense like you can't sue me yeah uh but yeah um but basically elron hubbard in a bet with another science fiction writer elron hubbard's the founder of scientology he was a science fiction writer made a bet with his buddy about who could create a religion first and so yeah he created a cult and didn't believe his own shit

really yeah so that's that's crazy because you have to reach like a high level in Scientology before you start to experience before they explain to you the craziest parts of it everything before you get to whatever level it is like level seven they never thought that anybody would stick around for long enough to reach level seven

or level eight or whatever it is. And so then it goes from a religion that's mostly about, like, how to optimize your interpersonal relationships and things like that into, like, aliens got dropped into a volcano. One of the most so, yeah, the writer that he made the bet with was fellow writer Robert A. Heinlein. So, you know, so like basically Scientology, Scientology's defectors have revealed that Scientologists believe 75 million years ago Zeno, the dictator. of the galactic confederacy froze billions of aliens brought them to earth and then dropped them into a volcano killing them the spirit of these aliens called thetons wander earth

and are what caused a spiritual harm um honestly what if hypothetically makes a lot of sense yeah but what if hubbard is like promote he was like you know trying to instill like good like actual good behaviors and actions and his teachings but he used this story to sort of get people to actually do them and then when you reach like the top of scientology it's like none of this is this is all science fiction like i just wanted you to be better people yeah i'd be that'd be pretty that would be justifiable there probably could have been some simpler ways that he could have gone about explaining what happened without involving like the volcanoes but maybe that's because he was just when he when he wrote the the history of scientology and he was like okay the alien freezes all the bad

people then they're going to travel to earth and then destroy them and then their souls will wander around causing bad shit to happen on earth his buddy was like what about volcanoes and he was like he like salt bathed the volcanoes and at the last second he's like yeah the frozen aliens boom they were in volcanoes that's how that's how they got destroyed there's a little flare but there's definitely easier ways that he could have explained what happened but you don't think you don't think that scientology is a cult right bill i do not You do, but you also fuck frogs. I, yes.

I believe it's a culture. When you say something like that, that's such like a football coach thing to say. Like you just, you can say a sentence that doesn't really make that much sense, but it sounds cool. Like, you need to separate your cult from your culture, son. I have no idea. By the way, I think Scientology, like, they're probably very problematic and I'm not, like, pro or against Scientology. I don't know. Do they really sue people?

Yeah. Are we can get in trouble? No. Okay. I think they know that we don't pay you. So you're not, you said you're not anti-scientology? I don't know. I'll go on the record.

I'm anti-scientology. I will too. Oh, wow. Okay. So safety and numbers, I am also. Don't actually sue me though. I think they're. See how easily that happens?

No, but I'm on the record. You tuck tail with it. I take about half a second, Big T, for you to realize you've made some very powerful enemies. It's just a headache I don't want to deal with. Listen, you got it. You either, you either die on your feet or you stand on your knees, which one is it going to be big tea um i'll die on my feet okay well then say it again this time with your

chest scientology is a cult i'm anti-scientology okay now explain yourself i mean they're just they're objectively insane people go on i mean we've been sitting here talking about zinu and the volcanoes and they're also like um just all the crazy the phaetons and all there have you got your thayton's checked ever i've not no you're giving off big thayton energy like big big that's what the T stands for speaking of dying on your feet I'm 18 minutes into jackass right now and uh which one is this is stevo he's standing in a pool of alligators with like meat tied to his ass yeah that's in it that's the best one I've seen so far so it's shocking to me that you haven't laughed a single time well I'm assuming it's better with sound on probably yeah and it was probably better in 2002 also yeah it's still pretty good I think it this that was the first one that I was like that's kind of fun yeah so the other ones were just them crashing into just you you got a lot of negativity right now I can't help but imagine that if you got the Thayton test which is don't they just like inject niacin into your skin and then if it turns purple or starts to tingle they're like yeah

that's a Thayton it's in there Nacin's in Red Bull it's actually insane vasco dilator it is it's good for for workouts yes yeah so Madeline you think Scientology cult yeah I'm gonna go on that I'm gonna go on that record and say that I think Scientology is called Russia also agrees with you. So Russia actually has a very extensive list of religions that it considers cults and Mormonism, the Church of Latter-day Saints, and Scientology are both on that list. Hmm. Which is actually kind of interesting.

So I took place in one of these, or I took part in a self-improvement seminar, not under my own will, but this was back in 2009, 2010, when I was down in Austin, Texas. And my boss made everybody that he hired go to the seminar called the Landmark Forum. And they are very litigious. They will sue you if you call a cult. So I won't say that they are a cult, but I will say that there are numerous countries in Europe that have publicly labeled them to be a cult. And they are banned from doing anything in countries like Sweden and a couple other places. So other governments have called them a cult.

I have not. But I got to like experience a little taste of what the, uh, the brainwashing techniques are because i'll tell you a little bit about the weekend so um i didn't know what i was signing up for i was just told that by my boss i had to go to this the seminar i knew that it was going to last all day friday all day saturday and all day sunday and then there'd be something on like monday night and when i say all day i mean it went from like eight o'clock a m to probably like 11 p.m got a small break for lunch in there but we were just sitting in this in this room in a hotel like a banquet room and uh like an hour or two in i started to realize that something

weird was going on because i didn't understand what the fuck they were talking about there there was one leader that leads the entire weekend and i could not understand what words that she was saying she was just using all sorts of weird uh terminology and things just didn't make sense she was talking about the technology that she was going to impart on all of us this weekend like she was programming us like this is odd and then i looked around i saw all the uh all the volunteers that were working for this forum going up and adjusting the temperature of the room like every 30 minutes, making it really, really, really hot and then really, really cold, then really, really hot. You weren't allowed to leave. You got assigned with one partner and you were accountable for their, for where they were, like, their attendance for the entire weekend.

You weren't allowed to make any phone calls. You weren't allowed to go to the bathroom unless it gave you, like, specific permission. And then after like three days of this, your mind starts to like break. break down. I remember on the Sunday afternoon, they did like a maybe a 10 minute period of silence for everyone. And then one by one, almost everybody in the room just started laughing. And then the next person will hear somebody laughing. And then they'd start to laugh. And then the teacher would be like, you guys are getting it. You're finally getting it. It's like that's hysteria. And I had no idea what the fuck was going. I guess I learned that weekend that I think

I'm very hard to brainwatch because I was laughing the entire time. And then they made, so my accountability partner decide not to show up, God bless her, on Saturday. That was your saving grace. And then I got yelled at in front of the whole room like, we'll cut that out. They're like, where's your accountability partner? And I was like, I don't know. I don't really care. And they're like, well, you got to go find her.

So they send me upstairs to like the office of the landmark forum. And they make me go through their personal records and try to find this person's phone number. I've got like six people from the forum standing over my shoulder. being like you need to call her on the phone get her back here so I called her I was like hey I know that you're not here right now but they're making me call you to try to get you back but it's whatever like I get it this place is weird and then they hung up the phone they like reached over press the in call button and they're like that was really immature I'm very disappointed in how you handled that I was like this is it was it was the craziest week in my life

and then you have to on Tuesday you have to bring somebody else back to try to pitch them and they teach you how to recruit people to sign up for the class. It was, it was the most bizarre thing that I've ever experienced in my life and everybody that works for them are people that just graduated from their seminars that now are volunteering their time to work for this company and spread the message. What job was this for that your boss made you go to this? A software testing company was it had nothing to do whatsoever my job. The whole point behind is they want reprogram you with how you think and they want to transform you into being somebody that doesn't let their past experiences to find who they are in the present but they do it in a very

very strange extremely controlling fashion and uh i'm actually kind of glad that i went because i know that i can't be brainwashed i've actually heard about this a lot like a lot of corporations and stuff like they get all of their you know employees to be in this group think type thing this happens a lot in like tech sale i was like a bunch of my bun just graduated and they're like working in sales jobs and like like some banking jobs and they're like all talking about how like some of these places get into this really kind of culty type thing so that they can make all the individuals work harder there's checks and balances so like that buddy system thing like it's just going to make sure that everyone's operating at the highest

efficiency they're there are big companies that make all their employees go through this like lulu limits and a lot of their employees through this exact same training i'll tell you two more quick stories about this because it was, when I say it was like the most bizarre week in my life, I still don't even really believe that it's real sometimes because it was so weird. There was one exercise that we had to do where you just took the person that was sitting next to you randomly. Everybody in the room stood up and they made you stand almost nose to nose, maybe like two inches away with your noses, staring into each other's eyes. And you weren't allowed to talk. You weren't allowed to look away. The leader was like walking around the room,

making sure that we were all doing it. And I was just, I was so uncomfortable. I was just like, I turned my brain off and just looked ahead. There's this guy who was probably like 35 years old that was staring back into my eyes right in front of me. And I swear to God, after like two minutes, his eyes just start to water. And he just starts to weep. And when I mean like ugly cry, he was like screaming his tears and just tears pouring down

his face and had like an emotional breakdown directly in front of my face. because he went to a place in his brain where he was like reliving a past trauma that he had because it's such a weird experience to you'll never do that in your life to just stare at somebody that's right in front of you for that long and he just had a complete and utter breakdown and he eventually like he stuck around for the rest of the weekend and claimed that he was like fixed by the seminar but it was it was so creepy man it was so so bizarre what um was this a co-worker so did you know this guy before the seminar um Random person.

Dude, he could have been a plant. Yeah. You know? What if everybody else in that seminar was a plant and I was being like, I was being punked? Were you the only co-worker there? Yeah, but it was, know anybody else there?

No, it was a very small company though. Huh. But yeah, I could have been. I could have been the only person there. Or there was other people from other companies, but like there was specific plants. Yeah. Like that were like supposed to do these things to make. everyone believe in it that would not surprise me because there were a couple people that had like

massive transformations is what they called it yeah they transformed themselves into unlimited possibilities i'm using all the dialogue that i remember did anyone else's partner disappear was that just yours no there were a couple others over the course of the weekend not not many though like most people stuck around because you had to pay up front like 700 bucks for three days of this did you pay for that or the company my boss paid okay i was like if they made you pay for that that's we should actually we should go to one yeah set like we should send like big t did you figure out like what like cult or whatever was like running it so it's not a not a cult again madeline oh sorry not a cult um there was a company back in the 70s that started called esth and it was like

a reprogramming type uh self-improvement seminar sounds like stranger things a little bit yeah it is so there's actually like some there's some overlap between EST and the Stranger Things program that, like, it was based around. Like, yeah. But it was, they had to change your name like nine times because they kept getting sued and they kept having, like, people write bad articles about them. But if you've ever seen the Americans, it's the, it's the seminar that the FBI agent goes to. You remember that?

Yeah. Where he's like sitting a room and you get berated by somebody and then people break down and try to, like, change your life. That's, that turned into the landmark forum. Landmark bought the EST program, made some tweaks to it, and now they're carrying on that same thing. It's probably still some of the same people that work for it. But the other crazy part of that weekend was because there were times when I was feeling like I was going crazy because everyone else in the room was having these like either breakthroughs or reactions and taking it very seriously.

And I just couldn't believe that any of this bullshit was real. And there was a girl that was there with her boyfriend. And they were asking everybody what they're doing there. And I was like, my boss just made me come. And very quickly, the leader was like, all right, we don't need to hear from you anymore. She identified me as being a troublemaker. So she didn't call on me. And then they asked this girl, like, what are you doing here?

She stopped. She's like, I don't know. My boyfriend told me that I needed to come to this seminar this weekend. He's very passionate about it. He's been to three of these weekends. and he always tells me what an impact it's made on my life. And the leader was like, well, how do you think that it's going so far? She's like, I think I need to break up with him.

And the whole room looked and was like, what? And she's like, yeah, this is just so weird. And it's such a big part of his life that I don't know how else I can trust him and anything else that he's doing because this is such a strange thing that makes me deeply uncomfortable with spending time with him. And then she just left. She just walked out and never came back. Why didn't you leave?

Because I had to complete it for my work. Oh. Yeah. I mean, the thing is... Also, it gave me some good stories to tell about that weekend. I've been a part of many cultures, as they say, like where you're like part of a team or part of like class and they try to instill these things.

And I would not like to think that all of them are bad. Right. Like, I would like to think that. Like, for example, that buddy system is a very common thing for weight, weightlifting programs. So, like, 6 a.m. lift. Like, you have a buddy. You got to make sure he's out of bed. He makes sure you're out of bed.

Right. And it's a good accountability system. And, like, I think there are some tactics to instill culture that don't necessarily instill a cult. Like, winning football games, I do not think is a bad end goal. But I think creating super hyper attentive and hyper efficient work. workers at the sacrifice of their own personal well-being might, I don't know. Also, a big part of this, the forum is to just, like, completely change the way that you're thinking to isolate you from your family. There's a reason why they keep you there from so early

in the morning, it's so late at night, is so you don't have time to talk to anybody about what you just went through that day. And you're not allowed to, like, get feedback because once you start telling people, if I were to tell you, like, at the end of one of those days, everything that we did in that hotel banquet hall you would be like you know this is fucking nuts what are you doing like anybody on the outside would immediately raise all the red flags they keep you isolated a little bit and i think like organizations that are actually like cults are also isolating you from your family from anybody that's not involved in their program in their organization and that that is obviously like to the detriment of you so billy when you're working out

Yeah. You can go eat lunch. You can run the Quiznos if you want. You can go home at the end of the day and hang out with your dog and your frogs and maybe even talk to your parents if you feel like it. But in an organization that's like definitely a cult, they just isolate you from everyone because everyone that is not in the cult is bad for your life to them. I would say I think I would like for us to make some sort of structure to differentiate culture and cult. And I think that's isolation is a big one. I think we should, like, make that part of our jam. Isolation. I think financial is something, like a financial gain that the cult gains from you being in it.

Also, do you think that's going to be possible anymore now that everyone has phones? Like, could you, they probably take your cell phone at those things now it is. Yep. No phones. You're not allowed to take notes. You just have to sit there and listen to it. But at the very end of the weekend, the leader, went around and was giving compliments

to everybody in terms of like showing how much you've grown and what they've seen from you and it's also a way for them to butter you up and make sure that if you want to even get to the next level, then you have to come back for the advanced seminar that's taking place in a month, which I had to also go to. But I did not want to

go back. At the end of it, the leader was giving out of these compliments and she just looked at me and she goes you really need to work on opening up your mind to new ideas. Like the meanest thing that she said to anybody, everyone else was like, I'm so proud of everything that you've done in me it's like she was basically telling me i fucking hate you you almost ruined this weekend for everybody but i took that as a compliment at the

end of it i was like i got i got a teflon brain bitch we did something like that in high school like it was um if you went to catholic high school it was called chiros and you go on like a weekend and we weren't a lot of our phones and at my high school we went to a nunnery in like western Pennsylvania like in the middle of nowhere and not that it was a cult and i actually really enjoyed it but you can have your phone you can't talk to anyone and you basically have this like spiritual experience where like you give talks like the leaders who are like seniors gave talks to the kids who were there about like their deepest traumas and then you like go around in groups and you talk about like the issues in your life and all that kind of stuff and then like they read

you're like your parents write you letters and then like the teachers that are there like read them out to everyone so it'll be like like you find out a lot of like shit about the girls that you're with and they'll be like oh yeah like when you're you know brother killed that man or whatever it's like what who are you hanging out with no i i understand what you're saying because i think sometimes the way to get people to break down a little bit is just like admit all your deepest secrets yeah and then you feel like you're like either you've formed a connection or you're exposed and so they have like leverage on you there's classic like team building stuff that like everyone goes through like like anything with trust falls involved

like those types of things that like retreats or whatnot Oklahoma drills no but uh but like also um well how come people only go like the only time you hear about people zip lining or when they go to like a leadership retreat what is it about zip lining that makes people into better leaders. Putting a lot of trust into that. Also, paintball is a great team-building activity. Paintball, ziplining. That's about it, really.

That was the only two ways to make leaders anymore in this country. Paintball's sick. Paintball is sick. So, yeah, that was just a real quick. Mine, not colt, but similar cult experience. Was the advanced one worse? Yeah, the advanced one was worse. It was bad, but because it was smaller.

So I got like more individual time. Yeah. And so that I just turned my brain off for like three days and just hated every second of it. It was just for my job that I had to do it. But yeah, I could, we should send Big T to the landmark form. Get them reprogrammed. Would you go to it? Let's see how weak that brain is.

Somebody else would have to go. I would do it, but somebody else has to go to. What are you saying about the yawning that you had a strong brain? Yeah. Like I'm very convinced that I mean, they couldn't. Okay, we will send you, but you have to, maybe I'll send you in somebody else, but you have to, like, you have to do everything they say. Okay. You can't be there and, like, secretly playing games on your phone or leaving or skipping a day of it.

Okay. You need to be there and actively participate. I'm not, you don't have to believe what they're telling you. Okay. But you have to listen to everything that they're saying and participate in the different drills and instructions. I want Avery to go. Avery and Big T. maybe we send Avery with like a hidden camera too I'll go I kind of like what if they actually come back and they're in there they probably will that's the thing which I think that'd be great to have two people who are are brainwashed on this podcast what what was like the number one thing they were trying to get you to believe uh that's a good question number one thing they were trying to get me to believe is that my life is so much better now that I've gone to the landmark forum that I want to tell all my friends to go sure that's that's that's that

That's literally what the point of it was. Like they turned to everybody into salespeople. They would say that the best part of it is you learn how to like separate like things that happened in your past. And when you start to think about things that have happened before and let that impact your day to day life, they call that you're in a racket. So right now I'm in a racket. And the lady was like, studies have been done that show that people that are driving while they're in rackets are actually more dangerous. and less attentive than people who have a blood alcohol percentage of above 0.1.2, which is like there's no possible way to study if somebody is in a completely made-up term or not, you know?

I'm looking up the schedule right now. I think they're doing most of them online because of COVID. COVID's probably really impacted the fly-by-night self-improvement seminar business. They have 90 different seminars. Yeah. Oh, it's worldwide, baby. sex and intimacy from predicament to possibility oh you want yet so that's one thing we need to work on is you need to improve your possibility okay because right now you're dealing with some rackets

from your past and you should be open to the possibility of abundance okay I still remember I'm open to abundance are you open to abundance in many facets of life I am open to abundance okay but you just fell for it no he's not falling for anything so I'm open to abundance why wouldn't you be open to abundance. Why would you close yourself off to more opportunity? Mm-hmm. I want you to, yeah, I want you to exist as the possibility of opportunity and abundance. I want to go to being extraordinary. That's, that's my. You've, Big T. When are we going? I'm trying to find out. He's looking up some, some schedule right now. Breakthroughs living outside the box. Yeah, listen, Big T, the transformation that you're going to undergo is going to be nothing short of inspirational.

It looks like there really aren't, I don't even see an option to do it on the lot. The technology that they can, they can impart on you, it's going to be fascinating. You need to hold yourself accountable for your act. This just sounds like the perfect setup of a multi-level marketing company. Yeah. Well, listen, once Big T is complete and he's decided to clear himself with the context of choosing versus deciding, I think that he will be in an extreme possibility of unlimited abundance. So Europe has marked a lot of these guys, a lot of these is cults.

There are some countries. There are some countries. I've done it. So Europe actually really cracked down on cults recently because in like the 90s, there was like, we can get in some historical cults, but this one was like had to do with the Knights Templars. Templars, which really went like kind of nuts. Also. So there's this, I don't know, should we start talking about history? So this one was called the Order of the Solar Temple. And it was basically super European. It really, one of the things, the Knights Templar is sort of like all that sort of stuff really spread across Europe because the Knights Templar came from all sorts of countries in Europe. So everyone could sort of identify it. So it was called the Solar Temple. And their whole, like, idea was that they were going to unite all of the singular, the monotheistic god religion.

So, like, Islam, all sorts of Christianity, Judaism. And they, like, their idea was they were combined them all and, like, just worship the sun god, basically, which is the one god and, like, the one that we should be looking up. And it's actually was pretty widespread across Europe. and it was started by a French author Jacques Breyer, who established a sovereign order of the Solar Temple in 1952. And basically, this involves a lot of, you know, high up Europeans and like, you know, like high society Europe, like in France, Switzerland, and all these places. And this is where they basically, so Europe had a bunch of mass suicides because they were basically, performing a ritual called the Last Supper, where they're having a last

supper and then just like mass suiciding? Like midsummer? No, like the last supper. No, no, but have you seen the movie midsummer? No. That's like, spoiler, but like that in the middle of it, they have like... Suey season? Mm-hmm.

Yeah. So they were killing themselves because they wanted to believe that they just took place in an actual last supper? The thing is, when you start looking at the beliefs of this stuff it's like always intertwined with already recognized beliefs so this was intertwined with christianity um certain like a lot of the judeo-christian you know abrahamic religions so like

you know they were always going after imagery like the last supper um you know this idea that jesus was like a lot of crazy stuff but he also included a olympian edith bonlow who was the women's downhill at the 1956 Winter Olympics. So once, you know, and also it spread to Canada, there was a bunch in Quebec. So, like, this was the sort of one, like, cult that made Europe be like, okay, we're totally anti-cults. Like, no one's allowed to mess around with cults anymore. Whereas in the U.S., like freedom of speech, freedom of information, they could never really,

like, you know, they did, you know, deal with some cults, but Europe, like, put a big stop to pesky constitution yeah yeah constitution is great amazing love the constitution but there's a lot of room for cults in the constitution yeah it's very exploitable by cults for sure they saw that they saw that they saw a document they're like okay i've got i got my new home right now which by the way we do need to do the episode where we draft a new constitution true start a government from scratch not that we're replacing our beautiful constitution that we have right now we're just saying hypothetically hypothetically in a cult proof constitution yeah cult exactly that's a what we should go for. Honestly, that, yeah, that would be huge.

So, all right, so rule number one, no cults. But Billy, who gets to decide if it's a cult? Another cult. A leadership cult. Leadership cult. Okay. The death panel, do they get to decide? So that, I mean, that's where you come into the question of, like, where do you start

regulating cults and stop regulating religion? Yeah. I mean, technically all these cults claim to be religions. Yeah. So it's kind of... Knights Templar. I recognize that name from National Treasures 1 and 2, right? Weren't they in there?

Yeah, probably. Probably. Yeah, I forget what they did. Yeah. I think it was their treasure in Mount Everest, right? Mount Rushmore. Mount Rushmore, yeah. Yes.

Yeah. Probably Mount... That's really the only place they have to go. Yeah. Where do you go from Mount Rushmore in the next? Yeah. Who knows? All right, so you got any more historical facts about...

Knights Templar I got a bunch of other cults I think we got to go with a fact off real quick Do you have any wait Big T did you bring facts Well all my facts are just about one particular cult so it's not like Which cult? Let's see if Billy knows more facts about your cult than he doesn't have any facts about this cult on his sheet Okay well actually I have I have cults in the chamber Okay so my cult was angels landing but I don't want to Shoot on my bullets now and then when we talk about our cults I don't have anything left

Do you have any, any Angels Landing facts building? What is it also called? No. I intentionally tried to do one that I knew nobody else would. That's one of my favorite cults. Yeah. Everyone's obsessed with the Heaven's Gate. Love Heaven's Gate.

What? The visual of the Nikes. All their shoes were so clean. Yeah. I'm sure they only wore them to. Yeah. Say what you want about like everything that they did, but they got a fit off. The blue blanket, it looked like they were draped in crown royal bags with some clean Nikes.

They make it on kicks and they were. the office. Yeah. He actually should do a kicks in the office episode about Heaven's game. It was honestly, it also hit at that exact time for me where things that I was seeing on the news was like very scary to me on a personal level where I was old enough to understand exactly what was happening. But I wasn't really old enough to completely understand that just because it was on the national news, it wasn't going to happen to me. So like I was afraid that like there was going to be a cult that was going to move in next door or that people. people that I know would would kill themselves in like a mass suicide just because I saw those

videos were like everywhere on the news heaven's gates one of the ones like I I talked about this when I interviewed to be the intern how much I love cults and doomsday cults heaven's gate is one that like sticks with me yeah like that is like the guy who runs at the apple gate his eyes like his eyes are in my nightmares apple white apple white so that the heaven's gate cult actually it it had it all it was really maybe like the goat call Their website is still available. I go on their website sometimes. So you can go, is it Heavensgate.com?

Yeah, I think it's Heavensgate.com. But everything about this was like the perfect cult. The guy that ran it had those crazy eyes. He would talk to you like he was like hypnotizing you almost with his eyes. The suicide would they thought that there was a comet that was going to take them away. Hillbop, the Hillbop comment was passing earth. This one was surviving for like, 50 years, right? Like, it was going strong until this comet came along. Let's see. It had 41 members

until 1997, and now it's only got two left. Who were the two that? They run the website. Okay, got it. They are clearly actively updating it. So it started in 1974 with Marshall Applewhite. I always want to call them Major Applewhite, like the old quarterback from University of Texas. and Bonnie Nettles. They started in 1974, so yeah. And they went by D and, wait. Basically, was it? Do and D.

Tea, I think. Tea. Yeah, it was like Do Remy fossils. Yeah. Was it? Tea and dough, because it was the last two. Yep. Basically, one of the founders died and basically that's sort of like, you know, their whole thing was that dying and leaving their earthly bodies to go to a spaceship where they go to internal, you know,

know heaven or another atmosphere or whatever um but like since one of the um founders like died too soon before everyone was supposed to die they were like yo like what what's happening like we were all supposed to die together and go to this spaceship and then you that's when he was like oh well this comet is the spaceship and that sort of just ended the whole thing yeah it was also they had to explain um how somebody could possibly die when their whole message that they were preaching was we're going to live forever if we believe in this thing. And so when the leader died, they just, they switched it up on you. And they pulled like the oki-doke and said, actually, your body doesn't mean that you're

alive. Your body is just a vessel for your soul. And so it doesn't matter if your body is here or not. The only way, actually, the only way that you can get your soul into heaven is if you leave the vessel and then your body will be sucked up into the UFO that's in the tail of this comet that's coming by in 1997. Jesus. Yeah.

So how many people, how many people died? 41 or 39 people maybe. Did Applewhite survive and just neuter himself? No. Oh, he neuter himself before. He did neuter himself too, yeah. Yeah. Him and a bunch of others just neutered himself.

By the way, we're totally forgetting about all these cults. They're just literal excuses for orgies. Yeah, it was 39 people that died. Was this a fucking cult, though? I don't think that this was a sex cult. Definitely sex. I mean, I think there was probably sex involved, but it wasn't purely motivated by sex. there was death there's always

It's not like that What's the one that the actors just got Nexium? Like it's not like that Like it was religious But I'm sure there was sex happening Yeah Dude literally it's just tricks by like

The one dude to like get late Yeah It's like literally like bonk Like you're gonna start a cult You're that horny bonnob Right right But I do think that In the case of Heaven's Gate

I don't think that Marshall Applewhite Was fucking I don't know I think he started the cult for pure reasons. He just wanted to get people to a spaceship. Well, if you look into that man's eyes in those videos, he is definitely not right in the head. I mean, he literally was, he probably was so horny.

That's why he neutered himself. Good point. So he could be horny. He bonged himself. He bonged himself. The ultimate bonged just cut off his testes. Just so he could probably bone without any repercussions. Yeah, but if you lose your balls,

I don't think you, I don't think you can fuck anymore. Like, isn't also the point of neutering like to like lower your sex drive? Yeah, lower your sex drive. I could imagine there were pharmaceutical help to that. He didn't have Roman's wives.

Or Roman ED treatment. If he did. If he did, he could have fucked. Yeah. So they, I mean, say what you want about the heaven's gate cult, probably not a great idea to join that cult. But they really,

they had their shit together when it came to performing this mass suicide like the steps that they put into place where it was like okay there would be a first wave and then they would get covered by the next people and the next people would go ahead and eat that apple sauce that had what was like the what was the name of the drug that was in there billy was cyanide had cyanide in the cool not the coolade this was the apple sauce though i think it was cyanide in the applesau i think there was a mixture i think it had like some stuff, some of the stuff that they use in lethal injection that stops your heart, too. Apples, apples do have cyanide in their seeds. Okay. So, maybe it was just like super cyanide. This phenobarbital. There we go.

Yeah. Yeah. So that, that stopped their hearts. But they did it in, uh, in waves where like the next people would then cover up the last people that did it. So these last two people. Mm-hmm. They were the last, they helped.

They just let everybody else. No, I think they were designated, if I'm remembering correctly, they were designated to stay on Earth to spread the message of Heaven's Gate. Yeah, not very easy. And they'll still have their ticket to Heaven's Gate or on, or, you know, whatever. Next comment. Do you think that they have more people that have joined the cult now? Like, these people, I honestly have done a really, based on their website, no. They've done a really shitty job of sticking around to spread the word, like, third.

39 of your best friends died thinking that you were going to keep up with technology and at least have a mobile optimized website for people to look up. They don't even have social media manager. No social media. You know where they need to go? Then you go to the seminar for self-improvement. They do. We need to double cult.

They need to go to the landmark forum and really activate themselves. By the way, there are a couple coming up, but they're on football weekends. So that's kind of, but there's one in June in New York City next year. Okay. It's like June 20th. But you, so you're not willing to sacrifice a football weekend? Well, I kind of have to work, so. Yeah.

No, I wouldn't expect you to. This is also work. This is work. It's good point. Football is different. Football is different. Football is different. Not a cult.

It's not a cult. Listen, he has to go make a pilgrimage along with 100,000 other people that are dressed exactly the same as him to a giant outdoor park and all cheer for 11 people on the field. And their charismatic coach. And their charismatic coach. So he doesn't have time to do any cult activities this fall. Okay? Jeez.

Just wanted to put that out there. So in case he gives you any shit about that, Big T, I'm on your side. Okay. I don't get where you went with that, but... No, no, you want... No big deal. All right, so Heaven's Gate is a good one. But Big T, let's get back to yours.

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These all are pretty bad. So, all right. So Angels Landing, there's this guy named Daniel Perez, but he went by the name Lou Castro. And this was in, they moved around a little bit, but most of this took place in Wichita, Kansas. So some people noticed that there was this compound of people. who were all living, like, very extravagantly.

Like, every car on the property was, like, $40,000 or more. They were all dressed really nice, but they noticed that, like, nobody there. Or at least Perez didn't have a job, but he had all this money. So he had recruited these people. I don't know exactly how they all got there, but there were, I think, 20 of them or so. And he told them that he was an angel

who was like a thousand years old and he had to have sex with children to continue surviving. Jeez. So he is having sex with these kids that are there. He also told them that he knew when people were going to die. So in 2003 he sat everybody down

and he's like, I think her name was Patricia. Patricia was the first one. Patricia, um, Hughes. And he was like, so Patricia's going to die in a week. And he's like, we need to start preparing for this because I know this is going to happen. And then he, uh, drowned her in the pool, but it was ruled accidental. She couldn't swim and something else. She had blunt force trauma to her head, but the, they ruled it an accidental death. And so one of the, huh? So he was right. Yeah. He was, okay. He was, he was correct.

um then a couple years later he was never like they ruled accidental nothing ever came of that a couple years later someone else who was in the cult had another suspicious death um where he was a mechanic and a car fell on him his lift didn't work right and then about a year after that um a another woman from the cult drove straight into an oncoming 18 weeks Wheeler died on impact. And somebody, a police officer noticed that about a year and a half every time he was collecting these million dollar life insurance policies on these people. And that's how they eventually tied like six deaths to him. And in 2015, this guy was convicted of first degree murder, rape, child exploitation, and fraud and sentenced to 80 years in prison. Hmm.

I mean, that does get pretty dark. Yeah. How do you, I don't understand how you brainwashed somebody into like basically turning their kids over to you. Yeah. And the way he got caught in addition, one of the reasons they got him was he had, the girl of the first woman, Patricia, her daughter was 11 when she died. And he had told her like, oh, she, you know, she drowned, whatever. And that girl, like, lied to the cops for him. and then several years later she told him that she heard like a scream and then he came back from the pool like wet and out of breath so it actually brings up an interesting question if you knew if somebody could tell you what day that you were going to die would you want to know no no no one because i was thinking about it and it's like a maybe for me i would want to know

like maybe a week before yeah yeah I would be afraid that I would have like a tragically early death and then I just know that yeah but then you'd at least be able to plan shit you'd be able to be I'm going to get everything out of this this next week like you probably wouldn't spend any days

like hungover, vegging out in bed watching like I don't know binge watching a show on Netflix if you knew that you were going to die next week right or maybe you would yeah no depends like Ted Lassow I'd probably watch that no I so feel better no like if it was in it I wouldn't want to know

if it was like you die when you were 75 that would suck why because I just wouldn't stop thinking about that day I wouldn't stop thinking about it and like then

am I responsible to tell like whoever I marry and like my kids that's like that's a whole load of moral conundrum I think

no I the rules would be that you're only you're allowed to know you don't get to tell anybody no no no that's a lot of that's a lot like if i can't tell anyone that's a lot of stress on my shoulders that i can't tell like i can't talk to other people tell me in a week with a week's time and then either one i'm old and i'm like family come gather around

or i'm young and then i'm like yo we're going to Vegas okay end of the world type stuff what about what about you avery would you want to know absolutely not i you guys are all you guys are all p words i would i think why would you want to know i think i would want to know so i can plan accordingly like you want to know when you're going to be going out of town next you want to know like as much information as possible to to make sure that what's the worst possible thing that happens if someone would be like avery you will die uh in the year 20089 what is the worst thing that could happen with you having that knowledge. Well, it's like, what if it's just like PFT, you're going to meet Chris Berman next week?

It's like, well, I'm dying on Thursday, so that's not going to happen. Yeah, then I won't get my hopes up. Well, then, for example, like, let's say I have a grandson and I'm dying in 2008. And then I'm like, oh, man, I'm not going to see this guy graduate high school. And like, I don't know. I mean, that is, I should be able to have grandchildren graduate high school by 90, but. whether you're grandkids or maybe not hey I think that at that point I would get more upset like if I knew when I was going to die I think it would be like sadder to know the things you're

missing out on well yeah I think then you're just living the rest of your life doing things because you're not going to be able to live longer because you know ignorance is bliss in a way it is yeah I think what if what if you could know how you're going to die I was actually going to ask that would you rather know when or how yeah if If you had gun to your head, gun to your head, you have to tell me which one you would prefer to know. Ah, but then what if it sucks? Well, the answer is now with a gun. I would, I'd rather know how rather than the other than.

I think I'd rather know, I would rather know when. Because if I knew how, then let's just say, you just avoid that situation. Let's say it was like, like car crash. I would never go into a car ever again because I'd be like, holy shit, this is the time that I'm going to get into a crash. I'd be terrified while I was in the car. But chances are, it's not going to be this time that I'm in. It'll be a time in the future. So I feel like just knowing the date.

That way I could just optimize the rest of my life perfectly. But then you're living for your death rather than like living for your life. Oh, shit. That's heavy. We're all dying every second though. You know why this gets so dark? You would never be older than you are right or younger than you are right now. We just created a doomsday cult of just this question.

Yeah. yeah how's a jackass going so they just loaded their pants with some sort of crustacean and dove into the ocean next to a whale shark there was also

some dude just shit his pants on purpose in a car and then people started throwing up and then he takes his pants off and it's like scraping the shit out of his underwear this is unbelievable having big tea narrate jackass is I think maybe funnier than the movie there's a

you got a crustacean they got crustacean all right drawers we got so I got another cult that's a little more lighthearted it's called the cargo cult it wasn't really too much of like a real cult in the way we'd say it basically

a bunch of uncontacted tribes during World War II were seeing US military planes and action happening during World War II and sometimes the planes would accidentally drop the wrong cargo that they were supposed to get to soldiers

but they would land among these tribes and then they'd open up the cargo things and they'd be like food fresh water stuff like you know that they never saw so they didn't know that these flying things they thought they were gods and whatnot and um they started worshipping the u.s military planes and basically this lasted until uh like a couple years because they kept thinking that these cargo drops and what they would do is they build runways because they thought the planes would land there and give them more cargo and they're like trying to like go like uh get all the american uh soldiers to like give them more stuff and like all these modern goods and they

ended up worshipping and like some of them uh created rituals and there were one uh recorded um example of a human sacrifice for the u.s military in world war two like trying to like get them to give them more stuff because they didn't understand what was going on. They developed like a council of like people that claim that they could contact the cargo and said, okay, you need to do this blood ritual to get on this day if you need the plane to come back with Kool-Aid or whatever. Yeah, like one guy peed in the river one day and then he saw the plane. He was like, whoa, I got to pee in the river to make the plane go. It's a magical river. Yeah.

It's like Kevlov's dog. Yeah, we probably do stuff like that all the time right now. Yeah. We don't even know about the whole causation correlation thing. UFOs. Like we put up, I put up a tree and then Sam. Santa Claus comes every year. Yeah.

It's kind of trippy. Would he come if we didn't put the tree up? No. Oh, damn. No, you get cool. Although we have been, Jeff DeLoe and I have been doing a lot of research on alternate Santa Claus's. Mm-hmm. And talking about the different traditions that they have in various countries for Santa Claus.

There's some real weird shit that goes on up there. Our favorite, I think, is the Yule Lads in Iceland. Uh-huh. There's like 14 little dudes. They call themselves the Yule Lads. and they're these little gnome type creatures and every Christmas they come around and you put your shoes in the window for the you lads and then they give you treats if you were good and then I think they give you like rotten potatoes in your shoes if you were bad that year just fascinating stuff I loves crampus is sick crampus is pretty he's like the evil Santa Claus right I just like the name crampus it is a good name like I'm gonna tell my kids about crampus and be like yeah crampus is coming crampus will eat your feet stevo just shot fireworks out of his asshole. I'm going to look up a picture of Crampus real quick

because he's got such a sick long... Dude, Crampus is metal as fuck. What's the one that Dwight plays in the office? He comes in as the... It's similar to Crampus. And his helper, Black Pete? Yeah. Yeah.

No, that's the real thing. I forget which one it was. Belchnickle. Belchnicle, yeah. Crampus is so metal. Look up a picture of Crampus. right now, uh, it really does look like an old iron maiden cover. Yeah, crampus is pretty out there. Yeah. All right. So the, the cargo cult. Cargo cult. And then there's a reverse cargo cult.

So what is that? So the reverse cargo cult was in the Cold War. So the cargo cult, basically they used to make, um, like, so the, the islanders would make fake airplanes and fake runways. And and whatnot. The reverse cargo cult is the belief that mock airplanes made of manure and straw bail may summon the real airplanes you bring canned beef. But the reverse cargo cult is used by the political elites and countries lagging behind in the developed world that all the airplanes are made of manure and straw bal. And there's also a shortage of canned beef. So this was used in the Soviet Union. And they're like, America's got all these planes and they show this front of of like, you know, having all this food and all this abundance in the political elites in Russia would be like, oh, no, that's fake. They're lying. Everybody has it as bad as us. Whereas the island cargo cult was like, oh, they can bring us all these supplies and stuff. And like, you know, if we create fake cargo boxes that they would drop, then more will come. Whereas in Russia, they're like everything.

fake. Hmm. So it's like a weird juxtaposition of cults. That is weird. What about, is there such a thing called just a reverse cult in general? Why don't we make one? A reverse cult. What would be the tenets of a reverse cult?

Do what you want to do? Yeah. Come and go as you please. Yeah. All doors are open. No sex. Now it's starting to get into cult again. I feel like this podcast is like a reverse cult.

Reverse cult, yeah. um everybody is a leader come and go as you please now we're getting into some communism communism king no he's signing up for communism well like communism in the original sense right sure right guy billy's right communism works but the problem with communism is it has to be led by somebody and that leader will always have a cult of personality around him yeah because that's the only way to get a bunch of people to do one thing quick update this guy just packed some snow into a snow cone thing pissed on it and then ate it all right can we make a super cut of of big t's jackass updates yeah yeah there's one right after the other um madeline you have a

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which they don't like being referred to as Mormons, and they also don't like being referred to as a cult. I'm putting it on my back saying Mormons are a cult, and I have been interested in Mormons for a really long time. I also think that a lot of what Mormons, like Mormons have a very big cultural impact in Utah. So, like, as people know, like Mormons are central or like Central in like Salt Lake City in Utah. And so there's a not only is it a cult that I think, but also have you guys heard about like the Utah mommy blogger influencer lifestyle? Yeah.

A little bit about it. So I was talking about this because I was talking to my friends about how I was talking about Mormons on today's episode and talking about the mommy blogger culture that envelops Utah. And people were like, yeah, it's because Mormons don't drink or smoke or do drugs or anything like that. So all of these women in Utah are just clear-skinned, right blonde, like no- Like, they look great. They look like Zach Wilson. Yeah, they do. A lot of those on TikTok right now. Big Mormon mom.

Yeah. And they always moved to Hawaii for whatever reason. Huge Mormon missionaries in Hawaii. Yeah. So I find that really interesting. And they'll always. And also I'm a girl. So it comes up on my pages more often.

Are you allowed to take medication? Yes. If you're a Mormon. Yeah. So where's the line drawn between what you're allowed to take and what you're not? So I have a list of what they can and can't do. So this was written by a Mormon. so I assume it to be as accurate as possible.

And he's like an apologetic. So he's like, oh, like, yeah, I do this because the Lord tells me to do this. And so it's like no sex before marriage, which is an obvious one. So no sex before marriage, no alcohol or drugs because we don't want the effects of alcohol or drugs to influence us to make poor decisions. What's the fun in that? No dishonesty. So they think that they should always tell the truth.

So you can't lie. So if you ask a Mormon person, is Mormonism a cult? They have to tell you whether or not it is. Yeah. But they don't, I mean, it's like, it's the cult mentality. They don't think they're in a cult. Okay. And also it is very, I mean, extremely religiously based.

I mean, BYU, all of that. Donate 10% or more of your income to charity and the building up of the kingdom of God. So they have to donate 10%. 10% is like the bare minimum. Most do like 30% of their income goes to the church. so the church it's obviously a tax is an exempt organization because it's a religion the Mormon church is worth billions of dollars so how is it how do people make money like I would expect Mormons to be a bunch of broke boys if they have to first of all pay taxes

secondly pay tax to the church no they're all actually super successful yeah but they have to be like really really six probably because they don't drink no they they literally like working is their drug I've met a bunch of Mormons who are nothing else to do yeah so i don't think that would be fun i i think that part of the joy in life is feeling like shit for at least two weeks two mornings a week when your body's recovering from something that you shouldn't have done then the rest of it becomes that much sweeter yeah it says it says on here because of the church's almost complete lay ministry the tithes so the 10% are only spent for good instead of lining the pockets of a professional pastor so basically

his justification it's not going to the pastor it's going to the church but then the church like the leaders of the church have all of this money that they're just storing so it's not like just because it's not going to the pastors doesn't mean it's not being used for good things um do not view pornography because they believe it's demeaning to women and thou shall not covet in the commandments and then they're not a big fan of gay people um so this man says we are taught that marriage is ordained between a man and a woman. I am getting on the record, denounce that. And we have great love and respect for.

And that's the thing that it's like cognitive dissonance where they, the guy says here, we love gay people and we love lesbians. And there are many gay people of the church, but we just don't accept them and their views. So it's like, where's the line there? So that's, I mean, that's one of mine. They also were extremely racist. They didn't let black people into the leadership of the church. church until the 1970s, which is a whole other thing. And so that's, I mean, they're against,

that's so late. When you think about everything else that was happening in America, that is so late for an organization to do that. Yeah. So then also, so 1970s is when black people started being allowed to be leaders of the church. So the Mormon church is made up of a lot of white people and, oddly enough, a lot of like Samoan people. Yeah. The missionaries. Yeah. So I saw Book of Mormon on Broadway and that was one of the funniest things I've ever heard that um the teachings of the Mormon church when it comes to like how they traditionally taught them they might have changed it recently but for a long time they would indicate people with darker skin would be descendants of I forget uh who was able or cane probably cane yeah descendants of cane um they they weren't

pure yeah they weren't pure and so that was the justification for keeping them out of not only leadership positions but also the church there's a lot of just for a while there's a lot of justifications in the Mormon church um dedicate Sundays to the Lord which is pretty normal and like a Christian base I just remember I had a bunch of friends growing up that weren't allowed to play sports hang out on Sundays yeah can we take a poll because I don't I don't know that I think Mormons are a cult I think they just have some really they're just a religion that's really dumb well okay good point so who is like the head Mormon I I have a John Smith

Joseph Smith Joseph Smith Yeah I have a belief that if space is involved In your religious beliefs It's cult Okay well They do have some crazy ideas

They do they That's not a bad line of delineation If we're talking about outer space Yeah Something that they had People thought that outer space was like I don't know God's toilet until what 70 years ago

Everyone was like Oh see when that when that moon disappears It's because there's a giant dragon that eats it once a month and it goes away no one knew what the fuck space was until the last couple hundred years so yeah i think that any religion that uh definitively talks about space as part of their belief system probably cold i saw this mormon couple on i think i think they're on youtube and they were talking about how the they were discussing the things that are said in book of mormon and whether they're true or not and there's a line in one of the songs of book of mormon

that says like i believe when i die god gives me my own planet or something thing. And they were like, well, so yeah, like, we do think that, but that's not like the important part. And then they're like, yeah, like, we do believe that that you get a certain type of planet based on how you act on Earth is that. But like, that's not the important, though. And they were, what could possibly be more important than they just like, inheriting your own private planet? Yeah, they weren't denying, uh, most of the things. I mean, the thing is we're chirping it right now, but hypothetically, we might end up on a shitty plan and be like, wow, you're such idiots. Oh, yeah. Yeah. For sure. Maybe like, who knows, they might.

They might be correct in all this. Yeah. I have no idea. Kind of not technically space, but they have a lot of the reason that people leave is I'm big on ex-Mormon YouTube. Like I love watching X-Mormons tell their stories. And they have different delineations of kingdoms of heaven. So you have to be like the best Mormon possible to get into the highest kingdom of heaven. So basically it's like you're never good enough or you're not going to get into the highest part of heaven.

or, you know, look, your family members, if they're gay or if, you know, they're not doing what they're supposed to be doing, they're not going to get into the same kingdom of heaven that you are, and then you guys are going to be separated for the rest of eternity. So it's, I consider that more of a scare tactic, in my opinion. Again, I am not an expert, but I think that is a scare tactic to be like, well, there's always more that you could do, and there's always more you could dedicate to the church. And then the pastors of the church, or like the men in charge. to the church, they have this thing where they're either speaking as a prophet or speaking as a

human. So a lot of the times when leaders in the Mormon church say something that's taken offensively or taken wrong or, you know, not a great belief to follow, they'll say, well, I was speaking as a man, not as a prophet. So they can kind of, like they can delegate all their mistakes from them speaking through God and them just being like, a human being, which, again, makes you think, well, you're just saying, like, you're just saying that. Yeah, so, all right, but is there one person who is the head of the church right now? Because we're talking about how to tell something is a cult or not.

I'm trying to play cult or not with Mormon. I think they do have, like, like a leader. They get a leader? Yeah, hold on. I'm mostly just jealous that, like, I've known a bunch of Mormons throughout my life. There's a president. Like, no one's ever tried to convert me. Like, what the fuck?

you're not in a third world country. Yeah, but what? I don't get a chance of the planet. They don't think I'm planet worthy. They don't think that, like, I would want my own planet. Oh, you know who else actually actively? There's another, the Hutnites. Hettnites?

Oh, do you heard about this? No. Oh, they're out in North Dakota, and they're sort of like the Amish, but they can, like, wear regular clothes. Menonites? Menonites. No, Hutterites. Mennonites are the Amish.

They're different, yeah. No, it's Hutterites. Yep. Yeah, and they speak with German accents, and they've been here since, like, you know, 1700s. They're just German immigrants. But they act, they go to,

so because they have a very small genetic pool, their stories. Well, like the Amish, they're very small genetic pool. So they have a lot of, you know, diseases because of genetic, lack of genetic diversity. So they'll go to bars and recruit, like, dudes to, like, not even, like, to have, like, have sex with their women. It's like the handmaid tail.

Yeah. They, like, recruit dudes from bars, like, in the Dakotas. I'm not sure. This, like, it's on, like, message forums. And it's ridiculous. Like, they actually actively recruit, like, drunk dudes. Mm-hmm. It's not unsimilar from the children.

of god you know about the children of god no that's another call that's probably like worth an entire episode of this podcast it's the one that uh i think rose mcgallon grew up in wakene phoenix also grew up in the children of god there's a ton of it's like very it's very sexual um it's like called religious prostitution but what they would do is they would they would try to find as many um like attractive women that they could brainwash and then they'd send them out to bars and put them out like into towns and call them flirty fishers and their job was to just bring dudes back fuck them and then eventually convert them into being part of the cult too knowing that guys are like we're very easy to brainwash if you just send like an 11 up to us and they're like hey

me and all my extremely hot girlfriends want to have sex with you for eight hours guys would be like yeah i'll believe like whatever you need me my own planet sure whatever uh-huh yes let's do it and so they they really optimize that we'll do we should do an entire episode on on the children of god because that is um that's some crazy shit to get into yeah but no but the guys who are recruiting the guys in bars are just like elders of the church or whatever they just walk up and like yo do you want to come back to the farm want to hang i'm sorry i just have to give one more jackass update um it appears we're nearing the conclusion of the film and this guy just put a little toy race car in a condom and lubed it up and shoved it up his ass and then

this is the part I wish I had sound for they go to the doctor and the doctor is currently on the phone with this guy and they have sometimes says they were at a party yesterday and they were all having sex with each other and stuff like that it's a little toy car and they're looking at the x-ray of it so yeah I remember watching that for the first time when I was like 11 fantastic movie thank you for the recap big tea i feel like i just watched it all over again yeah no problem your recap was just as funny as watching the actual film itself uh how many of these are there three or four four okay the one and the one that was three was three d love that yeah it was fantastic um avery you got you got anything else that you want out here yeah i saw

the uh the church of god with signs following hilarious They just hold poisonous snakes in the air I don't know why It just reminded me of that scene in the campaign Where Will Ferrell gets bit by the snake It's a Pentecostal thing Oh yeah the snake Like the power of God will prevent the snake from biting me

Yeah which is just insane But I just like I think if you're willing to hold a snake You're a crazy person Well what they do is the same thing with the alligators They get them really cold Yeah we um I had a friend growing up that was a Pentecostal and she would start speaking in tongues sometimes.

Really weird stuff, but the church that she went to, they handled snakes occasionally. It's like, I got a rattlesnake, and if this thing bites me, first of all, it's not going to bite me because God will protect me. Secondly, if it does,

God will stop the venom from affecting me. And there's like these news stories that go viral probably like once a year when a pastor dies from getting bitten by a snake, and he's like, God will protect me from dying. And then he dies. Yeah. Uh-huh?

Yeah, go ahead. What were you going to say? No, I was just going to say, I'm sure you have something to add to this because I know that you were like around the Pentecostal Church. No. Weren't you? No. Okay. Southern Independent Baptist.

But it wasn't that part? No. I had nothing to do with the Pentecostal church. Maybe I'm misremembering. My mom's cousin's husband was a preacher and he and my mom's uncle were really interested in in like the snake handling stuff. And they went to a church. I think it was called La Follett, Tennessee, like up near North Carolina. and they went and they said the pastor was like probably my age like 24 25 super young and was like

super nice greeting everybody at the door like and they knew it was a very small church like they knew they didn't go there and like hey how are you like very nice see and he said went through a pretty normal church service and then at the end they just bring out these crates that were like you know this big and they just pull out clumps of snakes and they just held them yeah it was probably garter snakes the end it was just time to hold the snakes garter garter snakes when they mate they all get in these big jumble bunches and they're non-venomous and like they're a very safe snake to mess around with okay so I even care what kind of snake it is you gotta be a fucking psycho to pick up a snake

what yeah yeah absolutely garter snakes are are like that those what those are like your like dad tells you you can catch his little kid that's what billy's dad told him he could catch like the garter snake like yeah fuck around with that thing no absolutely not no you've never once wanted to pick up a snake No. What about a Boa? Every such a city kid. No, I'm from Jersey.

We have Gardner snakes. They're just, they're sick. Like, they're just like, no. Absolutely not. Not snake spiders, no. Snakes feel cool though in your hand. They're like one big long muscle. Holding the end like, well, it's honestly a baller when like you're like hiking or something or you're out and like someone sees a snake and they start screaming.

And they're like, oh, that's a garter snake. Well, actually. You can do that even if you don't know it's a garter snake. You can just be like, God, there's a snake. not a big deal it's a garter snake then you go pick it up and then they're like wow you're so oddly enough i don't know the name of them what are the giant what are the giant snakes like boas they bring yeah bowers are the ones that you can hold and they won't they they won't bite you though right well if they're just wrap themselves if they're not hungry yeah like uh like oddly enough i think that's

kind of cool to hold like as like a group like a ball python yeah yeah i have a picture holding one so you have held snakes yes I think the smaller ones are more scary to hold. Yeah, because they could be venomous. And they're fast. Coral snakes. Coral snakes are the most venomous. Billy, can you tell me what the difference is quick between a coral snake and a corn snake?

One's actually fully aquatic and highly venomous. A corn snake is not venomous. What's the red? This is the only thing I remember about snakes. Yeah, no, it's like red and black. Tune in next week on macrodosing, and we're going to tell you how to not get killed. by a coral snake or how to safely pick up a corn snake the only way you're going to find out this information is by tuning into next week's podcast and it could save your life otherwise i will tell

you the time and means that you are going to die and it's going to be a week and a day from now via a coral snake bite so but you can stop it that's the good news just listen next week's podcast that'll be our that's our riddle of the week also don't join any cults if space is involved very charismatic person, I think those are the two indicators. Yep, that's good. Good point. Anyone else? Can you hit us up.

Let us know what's going on. Yeah, or if you're a former cult member too. Sahar, the intern who talked to Water, she was in a multi-level marketing company, like last year and got sucked into that. Huh. That's, wait, what's the name of it? It's like, I don't know, but it was all about like being a future CEO, like, and trying to make money. We're also going to touch upon the Manson cult at another time because that's a story in

itself. So we've got Arian. We'll be back next week. Coley will be back next week. I might not be around next week. We're going to try to figure that out. It is grit week. So that might be tough. It might be tricky to figure out all the timing that goes into that. But there will be a podcast next week. So love you guys. And I will see you next week. Should we do underwear in honor of Arian? It doesn't feel right. yeah nobody yeah do you want to know no okay yeah no do you want to tell me it's the they're the orange how did how did we start that uh because they were talking big t and arian were talking about how what would a fanatic he was i was wearing all you t-shirt he said what do you have tuesday underwear on

and i was like i actually they might be orange and i pulled it up and it was orange that's awesome all right love you guys see you next week Thank you.