Macrodosing: Arian Foster and PFT Commenter - Donald Trump ft. Michael Cohen

Episode Date: July 11, 2022

On today's episode, we're talking the 45th President of the United States, Donald Trump, with his former attorney Michael Cohen (2:31:17). It's an incredible episode with lots of laughs and of course the latest edition of T'd off. All of this and so much more on the show. Enjoy!You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/macrodosing

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We're wearing a kilt. He's wearing a kilt. I don't know. Some of them are. I want to get invited to an occasion where I have to wear a kilt. I think that'd be fun to do one time. It just must be so easy to go to the bathroom. Won't you just, won't you just wear one? Well, you got to, you know, that feels like something you would wear. I got it. Yeah, I would, but I don't want to just show up to. You wore jencos. Yeah, pretty much the same thing. That's different. That's different. Chinkas are stylish. I mean, I think there's some, I'm not, I'm not against dudes wearing like skirts or dresses or whatever.

Like some people can put that shirt up like a stylist. Yeah, I've worn dresses. I just haven't worn a kilt. I think I just need to, yeah, the look on your face was like, what, what do you mean? I dressed up like Ivanka Trump one time. So I wore, I wore a dress. I was a bridesmaid in Donnie's wedding, excuse me not Donnie's wedding. Dana Beer's wedding

I went there with Donnie That was a different thing though That was for work But I don't know I feel like I can't just like show up And a kilt I am part Scottish But I've never really claimed

That part of my My ancestry out loud Or definitively So it might be kind of weird If I just show up Rockin I think Big T could pull off a kilt I don't know

You give yeah You give off like Those Highland games vibes You look like you could Throw some logs around And it was a bagpike Possibly I just don't know

that I'm willing to find out about the kilt. I think you'd look good in a kilt. I look good in most anything. That's very true. Big T's rocking his Braves outfit today. Feeling good about the bravos. Big series this week. Before we get started with anything related to the topic,

today we're going to be talking about Donald Trump, by the way. So this is an episode that we've kind of been talking about doing for a while. And it should be an interesting one because we've got his former attorney, Michael Cohen, joining the program. And certainly got a lot of good questions for him. him. It should be fun. It should be, it should be an interesting deep dive into the man, our 45th president. We need a sound board, bro. This is my last time asking. We need a sound board. Because right there, we said, we got Michael Cohen. You needed that for, for, fair,

can you add in the. That was pretty good. That was, that was not acting. That was 1970 porn music. It sounded like a sick dog. But before we get into all that, I had one thing that that popped up on my timeline a few times this weekend. We never talked about it on the show, but I feel like it'd be something that Big T might have some insight into. So we're on to check in with you and see where you stood on this. The guidestones got blown up. Do you know anything about the guidestones? Yeah. So I had never heard of those. I'd never, never once in my life heard of those. So they're called the Georgia Guidestones? Yeah. I forget where they were in

Georgia um north north georgia somewhere somebody blow up Albert County Georgia which is I've heard of them but I forget their significance of run it back there really isn't much significance to them

they're just a bunch of stones that look like Stonehenge so it's like it's northeast of Athens it's like on the South Carolina border um yeah I'd never heard of them so somebody put them up in 19 And they were referred to as being the American Stonehenge. And they put them up, I'm going to read from the Wikipedia right now. In June 1979, a man using the pseudonym Robert C. Christian approached the

Elberton Granite Finishing Company on behalf of a small group of loyal Americans and commissioned the structure. That's very vague, isn't it? Just like a dude who comes, not using his real name, he's like a small group of loyal Americans want this structure. And he explained that they would function as a compass calendar and clock should be capable of withstanding catastrophic events. And so he was trying to make the American Stonehenge out of it. And Joe Findlay of Elberton Granite believed that Christian was a nut and attempted to discourage him by providing a price quote for the commission, which is several

times higher than any project the company had previously taken, explain the guidestones would require additional tools and consultants. To Finley's surprise, Christian accepted. accepted the quote. When arranging payment, Christian claimed that he represented a large group, which had been planning the guidance for 20 years and which wanted to remain anonymous. The location was chosen because of a high amount of local granite and the weather would be ideal for the monument. I don't know what that means. Like just Georgia weather in general, probably ideal for a big pile of stones, right? They have done several monuments made out of stone before, yes. Yeah. If you want to deposit large amounts of stones, Georgia is the state for you.

yeah like that what's that mountain where they just carved a bunch of stone mountain yeah they carved a bunch of confederate generals into the side of the mountain right great uh great laser shows in the summer at stone mountain oh laser okay it's like on the mountain yeah it's sick okay um and also great great hiking at stone good hiking a lot of stones in georgia christian delivered a scale model of the guide stones and 10 pages of specifications then the site was purchased by a christian from a local farm owner, the owner and his children were given lifetime cattle grazing rights on the Guidestone site. The monument was located off of Georgia State Road 77. On March 22nd, 1980, the monument was unveiled by Congressman Doug Bernard before an audience of 200 to 300 people.

At the unveiling, the master of ceremonies read a message to the gathered audience. In order to avoid debate, we the sponsors of the Georgia Guidestones have a simple message for human beings now and for the future. We believe our precepts are sound and they must stand on their own merits. And so written on to the guidestones are some really interesting. It gives like 10 rules for how to really set up the world, how to save the world, the set of 10 guidelines and principles that you need to follow. And they were transcribed in English, Spanish, Swahili, Hindi, Hebrew, Arabic,

traditional Chinese, and Russian. according to the monument sponsors, the inscriptions are meant to guide humanity to conserve nature after nuclear war, which the creators thought was an imminent threat. So the inscription read, number one of the guidelines, maintain humanity under 500 million in perpetual balance with nature. Number two, guide reproduction wisely, improving fitness and diversity. Number three, unite humanity with a living new language. Rule four, rule passion, faith, tradition, and all things with tempered reason. So I'm not going to read all 10 of them because they're just the owner of the guidestones what they think that society should look like after nuclear war.

And they thought that having 500,000 or excuse me, 500 million people on Earth are fewer, that's what the level should be at. That's we should go no further than that. All 10 of these just find a different way to say like be chill. That's all all of them say. It's true. avoid petty laws and useless officials prize truth

beauty love seeking harmony with the infinite yeah it's just really kind of basic love thy neighbor type stuff that that should replace the tank of memory right there big T basically be chill yeah

be chill is good advice yeah 1000% Jesus I mean that's why you got crucified right but each shouldn't just change it into one instead of two just be chill um so the the maintain the population under 500 million things you said this was 1980 yep the world population

in 1980 was 4.4 billion so they want did they want to wipe four billion people like what was the plan i think since since it was it was originally constructed to be rules about setting up society post a nuclear war oh okay they might have been assuming that the vast majority of humankind would be wiped off the face of the earth and then let's keep it that way and then let's keep it that way, which is, I don't know about you, but people be fucking. So it's, it's going to be tough. You can't stop people from fucking. But yeah, so I, like I said, I lived in Georgia for a lot of my life. I'd never heard of those. Yeah. So they became, they kind of had a resurgence in the, in the common zeitgeist in like 2010-ish around then. It became, uh, kind of a flashpoint for

conspiracy theorists and they called them the Ten Commandments of the Antichrist and some conservative Christians called the monument satanic and they got really mad. I think like what you were alluding to a little bit there, it sounds a little bit like eugenics when it's like, hey, we need to get rid of, you know, I don't know what the percentage is, probably like 75, 80 percent of the world's population. It could be read to be interpreted that way. So people got really mad at these guidestones and then somebody blew them up over the weekend somebody like oh really yeah somebody detonated like some sort of explosive device on them so um then everybody was talking to me and be like great job thank god they destroyed these guidestones that most people have never heard of before

it just became like a small thing that a lot of people really really cared about so you know what i'm on i'm upset at the person that bombed i'll just say it because like big t said i don't think they were hurting anybody. It was just like, be chill, right? That's not a very chill thing to do to blow up the guys. I don't think they're helping anybody either, though.

Yeah, I mean, it kind of goes back to her whole discussion that we've had on this show about whether or not statues are good, just in general. They're kind of weird. Like, monuments and statues are kind of strange. So, I guess. That one in particular is pretty useless, though.

Yeah. Did they do a laser show there? be a lot cooler if they did it would be I feel like it's also one of those things like it was so under the radar that now by blowing it up you actually just brought more attention to it

that's true so you kind of like did the exact opposite of what you want yeah you played yourself that's the majority of outrage in today's world though right it's like if you just stop talking about it

it'll probably go away because the news cycle so fast yeah you know who is a big fan of these Georgia Guidestones That's right Yoko Ono She said

Oh then I'm out She said the inscribed messages Were a stirring call To rational thinking So What should be What should be for Yoko Ono Big T

Just not my vibe You know Big T Big T was a huge Beatles fan Until Yoko Ono came around Oh There's a lot of Beatles fans That I hate her because of that's

Oh really? I fuck with the Beatles They're excited it. Did you watch that documentary? It's them while they're recording, they're like writing a bunch of new songs getting ready for a concert and you get to see them practicing and writing songs together. And it's actually fascinating because it's, you know, the four of them sitting down. Well, it's, it's George, Paul and John. And then Ringo's also there just kind of like vibing out to. He's like, yeah, okay, I could do I could do a drum beat to this. And then Yoko gets to hang out a lot too.

So it's like, it's the people in the band and then Yoko is also in the circle, like contributing, trying to contribute to the writing sessions, which is a little bit strange, but a lot of people blame her for the Beatles breaking up. I don't think that's entirely fair. I think she was a convenient scapegoat. But it's interesting to see them operate as a group and like try to figure out how to write some songs that would go on to being like massive hits. Like, get back. I think that's the name of the documentary is called Get Back. back and you can see them starting to write the song from scratch from nothing and then building like the melodies and guitar parts and backup vocals and all that and watching it all come together it's it's fascinating to watch it happen but yoko's also there so the guidestones where do what's our final ruling on are we glad that they're gone i just i don't really care

i didn't care that they were there i don't care that i mean i'm i'm anti-bombing things don't do that. It's bad, but like, was anyone hurt? Oh, buddy. Let me tell you about your country. I'm anti-bombing, uh, most things. He's anti-bombing inanimate structures. Yeah, yeah. Don't go bombing for no reason. Now, if there are lives there, that's different. Well, buddy.

No, listen, that was Barack Obama's favorite pastime. It was. It's American is that a pastime. Yep. If he was bored one day, some Syrian village was getting drone striked. Dron struck. He was the drone king, drone the prince. But also we've done, you know, we bombed Hiroshima, Nagasaki.

Where do you stand on that? Some would say that was warranted. Some would say it wasn't. What about the fire bombing raids on Tokyo? They never did it again, did that? People don't talk about the fire bombing because that was worse in many respects than the atomic bombing. So the firebombing raids, the Doolittle raids, and by the way, you know, I didn't realize this until a couple years ago, Sean Doolittle, the closer for the Nationals, World Series champion, his grandfather was the Doolittle that flew the Doolittle raids in World War II, which was like a nighttime raid on, I think it was on Tokyo. It was on a number of cities in Japan. And they dropped incendiary, incendiary explosives. And essentially since all the buildings, in these major cities in Japan were built out of very lightweight wood and, you know, paper-like

structures, it just caused the entire city to catch on fire. And so it's controversial because yet it helped us win the war and we don't know where that war would have gone if we hadn't like, were we going to full scale invade Japan? Because that seems like a bad idea too. But it's like one of those questions of was this worth it in the long run if you're doing the doing the math on it. But just bombing cities indiscriminately could be viewed as being bad. Bombing U.S. naval bases could also be bad. Agreed. I think that turned out to be a bad plan. That was a bad plan that Japan had. Yeah. Yeah. So bombing structures, bombing stone, good. No.

Bombing. Excuse me. Bombing. Bombing just to bomb bad. don't don't just get bored one day and go bomb things what about fireworks I'm anti home fireworks if you're shooting on fireworks at your house you're a loser but it could be fun too I'm just it

it sucks they do it too early and too late if you're shooting fireworks off on like July 6th hate you it gets too much at this point or July 3rd July 3rd also hate you I'm okay with July 3rd fireworks. Nah.

I'm okay with fireworks anytime of the day. I love fireworks. But the reward you're getting from these little piddly fireworks you're shooting off in your driveway, like go watch real fireworks. Those are fine. Well, I mean, what kind of fireworks are you buying? I don't buy fireworks, but I'm sure I'm sure you can buy.

Well, like even when I lived elsewhere. But I'm sure you could go buy like a great fireworks display for, But fireworks are expensive, dude. Yeah, no, shoot. For New Year's, I probably spent like a K, $1,500 on fireworks. Yeah, and like if you really want to do it. Like there for like an hour, just popping them off. It was fun.

I'm sure it's fun. It's, you know. I saw this one video of a family that's off fireworks. You're a grout, Joe. I know. You're a groucho. Like, I know. I'm okay with fireworks, but only on a day, one day only.

Listen, I went to go watch fireworks on July 4th. had a great time, but like if you're shooting them off at 2 a.m. at your house, you suck. Dogs agree with you. Yes. Dogs major co-sign on that. A lot of dogs. Ah, maybe that's why I'm for bullying dogs. Yeah, no, Aryan, it's like self-defense on your part. Like, you set off fireworks, you know that dogs aren't going to be coming by. I just carry black cats in my pocket in case I see a little motherfucking mutt throwing at his feet. What about sparklers? What do you think about sparklers?

If you want to walk around with a little sparkler in your hand, that makes you feel patriotic and done. They're for kids usually, man. Yeah, that's great. Let that, let that have fun. That's not bothering anyone else, so I don't care about that. That makes you feel you want to wave your little sparkler. That's great.

What about sparklers at the club? It's the way it's saying wave the sparkler. There's a lot of undertones in it, man. What about bottle service sparklers? I feel What kind of people What kind of people use sparklers No I think you're reading things into it

That I never said If you If having a sparkler is fun to you Go for it Exactly you want to wave Your little sparkler It's just fun Yeah it's not something I would do

I get no enjoyment out of holding a sparkler Like but if you want to Go for it Grouch What'd you say? I was just asking about sparklers At a club When you get bottle service

I've never been to a club but I find videos of that like dumb You've never been to a club Do I look like someone that would go to a club? I think we know what we have to do I have no interest in going to a club You've never been to a club?

No What's the difference? Where does it is a... How old are you? 25. Sometimes I forget big T's 25 Because you could be 40. I've said forever

I was born to be 46 years old. old. I can't wait to be 46. That was my calling was to be a 46 year old. To have my chair in the living room, my son playing high school football. That's, that's all I want. You would be a great 46 year old. I agree. I've been waiting on it for a quarter of a century at this point. Neighbors are being loud. I'm working toward that. Like I am I'm ramping. I'm working toward becoming a good 46 year old so that when I get there, I don't waste that year. He's in his cocoon. And then when he turns 46, he's turning into his butterfly. Beautiful, you're in your, you're in your cozy Christmas right now. The kids at 23, they say that's their Jordan year. 46, double that. That's my

Jordan year. So what happens when you turn 47? I think, uh, 46 to 49, I feel like is my sweet spot. And then after that we'll figure it out. I feel like we'll adapt. But that three year window is going to be demon time. What is, what, what, what goes into demon time? What, what are some things you want to accomplish? Well, like I just said, I want to have my chair, right? Nobody else in the house can touch this chair. That is Big T's chair. That's literally a rule in my house, bro. Yeah, no, absolutely. Every good dad. Literally. I got, I got two rules in the house. One is don't lie. The other one is, that's my spot. Yeah. No, yeah. I want to have my chair. Um, I, I want to have a man

Cave. I want to have my son, preferably be pretty good on his high school football, basketball and or baseball team. I want to be a high school sports parent. That's what I want more than anything. Okay. You got your sunglasses picked out. You're going to need a good pair of sunglasses. Good pair of Oakley's. I have, yeah, I wear, yes, I always have my sunglasses. You got the, don't leave home without them. You're going to have the straps on the back? I'm not a croaky. Is that what's called? Yeah. I'm not a croaky guy. Are they going to be reflective um maybe i'm a i'm not a crokey i put them on my my shirt yeah what about um transition lenses i don't know what those are those are the glasses that that they turn from regular

color to darker color depending if you're in the sun that's too much that's doing too much okay you're gonna go to yard house all the time i actually recently oh yeah i actually recently ordered a pair of sunglasses that i that i found out uh were fake and i should have known they were fake because the website was weird it was a TikTok ad and then they came I got home yesterday and opened them

and they're like you can see my eyes through them like they're the fakeest shit you've ever seen in your life I was very disappointed about that but yeah good pair of sunglasses I just want to I want to be 46

okay so you've got like five years you're going to have to have a kid when you're 30 yeah if you want to get to optimal 46 year 30 31 yeah so that's got to be part of the plan Yeah, I mean, that's a long way off Yeah, you can't have a kid too early

Right And then they're in college And they're no longer playing sports Wait, when you're birthday? Ah, bleep that out Spring What? Ah, bleep that

We don't hope people know your birthday grouch? No, I don't like Remember, you were here on my birthday Nobody knew That's the way I like it What are the last four digits of your social? Yeah, see, we're getting to No, seriously

bleep that spring i don't want no fucking congratulatory tweets on my birthday goddammit i want people leave me get off my lawn i want big t to go out for his birthday next year we should actually take him out for his birthday to a club take him to a club or for breakfast

for breakfast we'll go to brunch and then we'll have them put sparklers in the french toast when they bring it out to um the acutriam avocado toast What a horrible way to spend your birthday What are you going to have You got to do it big then You got to start planning your 46 birthday That will be

Maybe 45 because like 45 will be That's a better number And Trump Yeah Oh good point Great point And way to tie it in Yeah 45 we will

We will blow it out for sure What does a blow out look like Like grilling burgers Yeah probably just hanging out Going to David Busters Angry Orchards Yeah Best

Best birthday I've ever had in my life Was it ESPN Zone Oh yeah I would give anything To bring back ESPN Zone ESPN Zone was awesome The greatest restaurant Ever created

Aaron did you ever experience ESPN Zone I did not It was like a massive It was like the biggest Sports Bar in the world Everyone had their own Recliners

Right Yeah recliners Every table had a TV on it that you could turn the channel. Then there was a big wall of TV. And it was a good restaurant too. Like the food was good. And then they had a whole Dave and Busters like game room. It was the best place of all time. The best place of all that. Truly. I was nice. I'd give anything to go back. They're all gone now. Yeah. I'm born for you. I used to go to the one in the inner harbor all the time in in Baltimore. I'd go there before I go to an Orioles game when I was a kid. And it was, the

restaurant was very nice. Yeah, it was a good restaurant. Yeah. I wonder why I went to a, why they, um, yeah, well, I was about to ask that. I don't know. The last one was in Times Square, uh, and then they eventually got rid of that one, too. My guess is it's like outside ESPN's core competency, which is like buying live sports rights and then showing those on TV.

That's what ESPN is good at. And they didn't want to be in the restaurant game because that's a whole, that's a completely different line of business. Yeah, it is. Well, they could have just merged with somebody. Y'all take care of the food shit. We'll take care of the entertainment. Yeah.

It was great, though. If anybody out there remembers ESPN zone, send us your favorite memories. Like a, like a Taco Bell and a Pizza Hut merger, like an ESPN and BB Doves. You know what? Yeah. That would have been. That would have been incredible. I love B Dobs.

I have a confession to make. Shut up. Don't even say it. I've reached a point. my life where I have to admit at this point Buffalo Wild Winks kind of sucks now Well I hung on longer than most

I'm assuming they're no longer a sponsor I hung on way longer than most people did because most people have been out on Bdubs for the last 10 years That is true They got rid of my favorite sauce A year or two ago And I don't hot barbecue

They axed I'm a garlic parmesan And I don't know that I've been back since I still like their sauce I like their spicy garlic sauce That's really good The garlic parmesan is still pretty good. Yeah.

But the wings are just not even wings anymore. I get this classic snack wrap. I'm a bitch. Yeah, you are a bitch. Yeah. The wings. Whoa. I'm in it in like a, like you're a pussy.

Yeah. In a non-massageistic way. But I agree. The wings are like the size of my finger now. There's like no one. meat and they taste like dog food. I mean, I'm all, I've never had dog food, but I'm all in on the wing chains that are shit. Wing stop.

Yes. I've never had wings up. I mean, there's not a lot of wing places are good. The best wing places are the mama pop jumps. The mama pop jumps be popping, but like these chain wing things, I'm out. Like, yeah, B-Dubs is shit. B-Dubs is dope in college that we used to go to for college. like uh but like after i i i started making a little bit of money like you get the quality of food

changes i can't eat dubs like that anymore unless i'm faded are there any more national wing chains quaker steak and loop i've never heard of that it's not bad wait you've never heard of quaker saying it's an oh i thought that was an everywhere thing it's like a it's it's like a wing place right would you describe it as that an american wing place yeah it's a bdubs competitor trash because yeah wing stop is is way worse

than Bdubs is it really I've never had it yeah it's it's pretty bad man it's not good I'm looking this list Domino's is one so that's just

oh Domino's wings are true are not real so Bdubs when we were in college though I feel like it was a little bit different it wasn't the Bdubs

that you have now the wings were actually normal sized it was like the focus of the menu now you can tell that they have just admitted that their wings are shit

because they focus on all the other stuff that they serve there Oh okay Hooters I was gonna say Hooters is trash Oh no no I was gonna say I'll go to bat for Hooters Nope bad wings I like Hooters so much

I ordered it to my house last week I don't go for the for the women I go for the food I love Hooters wings They are sponsor right I think so but yes I will go to Oh shit no Hooters is great I love Hooters

Fantastic food You think that you know people just go there For the waitresses no no not Not people like me and big T. And me. I like, I love Hooters. Matt Dog loves Hooters. I'll stand up with that. I'll give Hooters my stamp of approval. Delightfully tacky yet unrefined. That's the calling card of Hooters, gentlemen. And it gives me nostalgia for Big Daddy. I love that movie.

Yeah, but B-dubs, I'm sorry. I'm sorry to turn my back on to be, and you can win me back. What about the bag of like pop you can get though? You can't, okay, so a couple things have happened recently. At B-dubs, you used to be able to get sodas to go. can you not do that anyone? And delivered to your house and they would give you a big bag of soda. You could slap the bag.

It was like a giant bag that they would just fill up with liquid, with soda. And I love that. I loved, I used to love their wings and I love the fact that every time I would go to B-Dubs, I knew that they would have

big buck on her and I could play that. And they got rid of all three of those. Those are the big three as far as I'm concerned. And they got rid of all three of them. They can win me back, have normal size, good wings.

They became a publicly traded company, so then they started to focus on stock price and delivering, you know, for their, for their shareholders. And part of that equation is you have to cut back on quality sometimes. And they lost me. They lost me when they, when they shipped off the Big Buck Hunter video games. One of the few times I've been out with you, it was after the Braves won the World Series. And you were ripping Big Buck Hunter in a bar at like 1 a.m. on a Tuesday. I was. We were in a club.

Couldn't get you away. That was not a club Oh god Not a club The bar the size of this table The worst place Where is their Potato wedges were fired

With the cheese What were they called Oh they had a fun name Chili con queso No Like the potato coins With the cheese on top But they had a name

Potato coins I don't know It's like a good way I've never heard that I'm talking about chips No No potato wedges

Pettio coins Potato coins as chips I feel like they had a special name but also what's Weck Like because that's like the BW3 Oh beef on whack I don't know what that is Weck is

It's the name of a roll I think it's called like a Kennewick roll Or something like that And it's kind of like a mix between I don't know how to describe this correctly It's a mix between a hamburger bun and rye bread kind of It's got like seasonings on it and seeds.

And what would you put on it? Just beef? Beef, roast beef. And then you put some of the au jus on it. And then, yeah, it's pretty good. Why did they get rid of the whack? I don't know. That sounds like it would be, it kind of sounds like a French dip kind of.

Yeah, they turned their back on what made them successful. Yeah. That's my problem with B-dubs. And I hope that they can win me back because it was, I spent my, some of my favorite birthdays at B-dubs. I think I went there like every year for my birthday between. the age of 20 and 25 and you get the hat with the horns on it you could get a hat there I just remember I remember going there on my 21st birthday ordering shots at the bar and I was like having a big celebration and the bartenders were like wait you've been

ordering shots here for the last two years why what's going on right now it's like got that fake ID don't need it anymore I small pivot we got to talk about this man well there's two things one is Hunter Biden we've got to talk about this because it's hilarious and then two did anybody see Herschel Walker

his last little speech no I have not I did I did here's you know he's a smock from this

he says since we don't he's talking about climate change and he just throws in the green do deal which I'm a thousand percent positive he's never read and it's like what two or three pages

he said since we don't control our air since we don't control the air our good air decided to float over to China's bad air so when China gets our good air the bad air got to move so it moves over to the good air space then now we got to

clean that back up so I I kind of hope that he wins now just because like no fucking man hell no bro what he could not be a worst candidate. Like I don't think that

you could engineer a worse candidate and if he still wins then it's just I, that's like the point of no return for American democracy. It's like this guy doesn't this guy doesn't know anything about anything. I would love

they started like that came out of the story that like his campaign people started calling him a pathological lie. The people that run in his campaign. And it's like, bro, that's, I mean, politicians lie in general, but like when your campaign people call your pathological lie, like, that's hard to be. Yeah. That's hard to be. They hate him. His own campaign hates him. But, um, yeah, the error thing. Maybe he's

right, though. You ever thought about that, Aaron? What if he's right? I have, I haven't. Sell me. I'm in. Okay. So we make the best air in the world over here in the United States. Agreed. Right? That's the smell of freedom. Well, not in New York City, but most places in this country. Yeah, you can, you can smell the freedom. I was going to qualify that. You step outside in New York, that's cat piss. It's not, that's not freedom. But you go out to, you know, real America. You go to Montana and Wyoming where men are still men. And that's the smell of freedom when you step outside, right? You're in Yellowstone Park. That's the smell of freedom. That's our good air that we create here. We always have crashed a snowmobile in Yellowstone one time. You did. Yeah, I was a kid. I wasn't supposed to be driving it and kind of ran it off into a ditch.

When we took it back, they could for sure tell that something was wrong with it, but we high-tailed it out of there. Wow. Big T. Lauren Boebert, handshake. Allegedly. Who? Didn't Boebert crash something out in some national park and then pretend that never happened?

I don't know, did you? Probably. I don't know. But, yeah, so, Aaron, we have good air in the United States. Over in China, it's bad air. You've seen the pictures Its entire country Just filled with bad air

A lot of smog When we go over there for the Olympics All our athletes have to wear facial coverings Because there's smog indexes Things like that And so when China makes all this bad air Then the wind

Takes over to the United States And it pushes our good air Halfway around the world So it's giant air displacement And our air goes over to China and then they just suck up all our great air and that's and then we got to clean up they mess we got to mop up day shit exactly so actually what what is the dirtiest air in the united states like if you think of a city with bad air oh new york yeah see the new york i think la's got

the smog issue la also oh did you see that did you see that picture of like in the middle of a pandemic like when people were actually quarantining and like there was no traffic on the streets in L.A. and the picture over the city versus when, like, a regular day in L.A. That shit was crazy, though. It was like clear, right? It was cleared up. Well, you know why that was? Because at that same time, China was quarantining. And that's all the good air from China came over.

This guy might be on this way. I mean, L.A. is the closest, one of the closest American cities to China. Right. Beyond something. So we, it's just, We should look into the good air, bad air transactions that we've been having. Like, I feel like we've got an air deficit with China right now. If you haven't looked at this video, because it's a video, it's not, I'm not misquoting him.

That's a direct quote taken from a video. The video is even funnier because he has people there agreeing and laughing with him. But it's a conviction. That's the funny shit, though. His conviction is just like, let me tell you something. I'm going to tell you something about climate change. He was one of them types. I was like, yo, just watch it.

It's one of the funny shit you go watch. Yeah, the video is, it's still a moronic and, like, not intelligible thing to say. But it does sound like he's kind of, the video is, is better to him than the quote. Oh, my God, it isn't. Hear what I said at the beginning. But, like, when I read that quote, I was like, that's the dumbest shit I've ever heard. And I'm like, it's the dumbest shit I've ever heard. but it sounds like he's kind of playing to the crowd

that's not how I read it I read it like he doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about and he's just yamering on I don't think he knows what the fuck he's talking about either but it does seem a little bit different after watching the video the most generous interpretation could be that he is saying I don't even know if he knows that he's saying this

that we can clean up our air but China and India still have air pollution issues So from a global perspective They're still making the air dirty Even though we're cleaning it up That is the Republican talking point But that is far too generous

Yeah, I think I am being generous with it What was it? He said something way worse than that recently That made just absolutely no sense Oh, he was talking about the shooters The like the mass shooters And saying we need to have a department of investigations That takes a look at social media and young men looking at young women on social media

and seeing what young women are saying to young men on social media. Something along those lines. Yeah. Yeah, he's a, he's going to lose. I would, I would hope so, man. But I would pay it thousand.

Because he's running against, what's the dude name? Warnock or something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like that dude actually knows policy and then he's, you know, intelligent. I would love to see a debate between those two Just I would pay for it Is Herschel already like the nominee

Like it's gonna be him It's probably gonna be him He hasn't been showing up He got endorsed though He got endorsed by Trump didn't he I believe yeah Yeah but I don't think he's been showing up for debates I think he's his people are just like hey please don't

Please don't The less you say the better But yeah I think he's I mean, it's closer than you would think that it would be. I think the last poll that I saw was... 5444. Yeah, 54-44. So anything could happen.

But I don't know. I don't think he knows what he's talking about at all. I think he knows the general vibe that he's going for. He's running on vibes. He's like, I am good. Democrats are bad. Biden is the devil. Hunter Biden is worse than the devil.

Trump is God and I'm supporting God That's like the vibe that he's trying to If he could just If he could just communicate that vibe Without ever having to get into policy I think there's a good chance he would win But I mean

44% But every time he like tries to talk about policy People are like, okay Just get back to the vibes, Sergio The hell of the vibe he's going for Just just run off vibes alone Run off vibes What was the other thing you wanted to touch on?

Hunter. Hunter. Hunter. Hunter Biden. So what I've I've followed a little bit of Hunter Biden stuff. I just I feel like somebody's got his laptop and every three months they're like, hey, I want to put out another picture that he has on there. That's from my understanding. That's what happened. I haven't know too much in the story. I just like I just read a few tweets from some talking heads and like I guess basically something like that. I guess they got his eye cloud or something like that. And I think it's start on. 4chan that lovely place um and have a whole bunch of pictures and videos of him like doing crack that are circulating um weighing crack with a an alleged sex worker uh in the background um and then one of the other ones is like he has Joe under uh I think it's like Pito Peto Peter or something like that yeah yeah Petro Peter um as he has he has It's him in his phone as that. And I guess another thing I read that, like, all this is unfound. I don't know.

This is what I'm reading from the, from the John. I have not substantiated any of these claims. But the other one was, I guess there's like some pictures or an admission of, I don't know if the pictures, but an admission of him taking showers with him and I think his sister underage. And I guess he's talking about or something. Like I said, all unsubstantiated. There was something from Biden's daughter's diary that was like found at a yard sale or some place, some random place.

And there was an entry in her, in her diary about like taking showers with her dad and she wrote parentheses probably inappropriate. But that's like the extent of that. And then so you're saying that Hunter had something that reference that. that's what that's what they said. I couldn't find it. So like I I went on on like one of the main tweets that was like kind of breaking and stuff. And so you go under and a lot of the stuff you can kind of filter through with some of the comments. And so some of the comments are like so of course you'll find all the C. These are the petal elites and yada, yeah. And then I look for like rational people like, okay, where is the evidence? And then they'll show screenshots of like

this like vaguely cryptic language of 100 by and talking to somebody. And it's not really evidence of anything and so like I'm looking look and look I couldn't find that that was the extent of my research I don't I don't like I didn't care much after that but from what I'm reading that's what they're they're alleging him yes that he took showers was 100 too um but like I said unsubstantiated but that's what they saying and every time like somebody kept pressing somebody for evidence this is just under that thread uh it was to no avail so I don't know take it with a grain of salt but it's like he's trending like in a very big way what am I one of my One of my main concerns with Hunter Biden is how much he loves to document all of his crimes.

Like, if you were to make a list of like the top five things you should not take pictures of, nobody in their right mind should ever take a picture of. I would say right up there would be weighing your crack. Right. Smoking crack, I would even like, I could excuse that if you think that you look sweet. If you're like, you're hitting the pipe, you're free basing or whatever, there's a lot of smoke it looks like a music video that might be kind of cool maybe i could i could be talked into somebody being like this is a cool picture but like weighing your crack

documenting like for the police how much you have in case they want to pursue like distribution charges on you why would you ever take a picture of yourself weighing your crack it was a video too a video and then and then and then arguing with somebody in the background about how much more was on than she thought. He's like, no, that's way too much crack. You're right. I'm going to take some of the crack off and save that for later. At the risk of stating the obvious, I think it is because he was on crack. It's a fair point.

Yeah. Which can inhibit decision making somewhat. Yeah. As an experienced user yourself, you can never once try that. Never will. Yeah, Hunter Biden absolutely loves taking pictures of like the worst, the worst things that he does. Yeah. my thing is like how are we tying this to like Joe Biden right like because it was known he was he was you know he's on drugs right and like I'm more empathetic towards people who are on drugs than most but did did this hunter affect anything legislator like is he in his administration at all not to my knowledge but I could be missing no but there so there was the the Ukraine thing right and I'm not entirely read up on that.

whole thing, but there was something involving that it did involve Hunter and Joe with some sort of Ukrainian business. He was trying to secure an energy contract. And he was a consultant for some sort of overseas like gas producer or gas distributor. And they had him as a consultant probably for no other reason than the fact that he was the son of a vice president. And they thought that that would give them a connection to whatever political connections, that family might have. I don't think there's been any evidence showing that they were able to use any of those connections to actually, like, improve their business or to change policy. I don't think that that ever happened. But I think that's probably what the goal was. I mean, think about it.

If you're a Ukrainian or a Russian gas company and you want to pay Hunter Biden, you know, $400,000 a year, whatever the amount was, it's probably just that you can use his contacts. But we haven't seen the evidence of that. And then he was trying to do the same thing in China, I think. And I don't think we ever saw any evidence of, of, like, an actual deal get pushed through. Does it like, sounds like, because like I said, I haven't done any reading into that whole. I was just genuine asking because I didn't know. But, but it just sounds like he's like the son of a politician who's kind of milking his dad's name to get greased. Yeah.

Yeah. And then Republicans are also saying, like, if this was a Trump child doing this, then the media would not stop talking about it. That is true, though. Which is true. but they also did do that and we did talk about it and then Hunter and then Hunter's also doing it and we are also talking about that

I don't think the media at large talking about that certainly but Trump's kids but I think but I think that's the reason why is because Trump actually appointed his kids as part of his administration though like and had them they were a part of his administration

they were doing things and so I think that's a difference I think and I don't know I could be wrong about that It could be wrong. But I don't think Joe appointed him to any kind of administrative duty, did he? No. No, I don't think he has a job or anything. But I mean, it was like when this, when this all first started to come out, like you, your Twitter account would get banned if you said that this was a thing.

It was Russian disinformation, remember? Oh, the Hunter Biden laptop story, which is still, that's still a very weird story, the way that this all went down. Well, this whole thing is weird. Like, the guy's doing crack with hookers and like. he's a weird dude yeah but like I mean the media it's not shame the

the with the hookers part though you know let's like who consenting adults decided to exchange for services there's nothing wrong with that okay sure he's arguing about how much crack he has with someone uh there you go

but like I mean the media if you consider Twitter acting in its capacity as a company part of the media which it's one of the largest distributor of media in the world

has tried to like cover this up so it is different they definitely they tried to cover up the uh the laptop story because of how weird like to the chain of custody was behind it it's one long string of Hunter Biden

shit yeah but I I see the point where it's like he's not he's not influencing policy it's just kind of like gossip to talk about him yeah but i think there was a lot of talk about trump's kids regardless of policy or anything that was the same well i mean they were actively serving on his campaign but i think there was there was that before he even got elected though like it would have been that regardless of if they had jobs

in the west they also were more active on social media too like Donald trump juniors everywhere that's what i'm saying i think that's a that's a major difference one donnie junior peddles a lot of his dad's lives like vehemently and Ivanka it was it was was it was Jerry who was who was Ivanka married to Kushner Kushner yeah he was actually involved in a lot of foreign deals like yeah and and so they're very different in that sense sure I think actually they talked about Obama's kids in the in the media right and in the blogosphere and all that stuff I think if you're attached to a president you're going to get talked about because everybody's looking for any kind of dirt any kind of way. But I think it was very distinct in the Trump case because

they were actually part of his campaign. They were they were making deals abroad. I think that you don't think that's different. No, I do. It is different. But I don't think it's reasonable to say that the media is covering Hunter Biden the same, that they did the Trump kids, even regardless of the fact that they, that was the case. Like, if the Trump kids, if one of the Trump kids did this and they were not in the administration in any capacity whatsoever, it would be on every channel you turn to all the time. Whereas this is just like lives on the internet and even then, it's tougher to find. Yeah, I'm saying. That's conjecture in my humble opinion.

I mean, it is because we'll never know, but I think most people would say that that's probably the case. I think Hunter should have a podcast. I think that would be The interesting to listen to It is I've actually never heard I've never heard Cause talking nothing

I've heard nothing from it It's a very strange family They've got there I like I'll go on record Say I like Jill I like Dr. Jill Biden I think that she is She seems like a

Very wholesome individual His grandda His granddaers are fun Are they fun They're a good time I follow his one grandda her on TikTok. She's hilarious. What does she do? She just posts a little funny videos.

Well, she posts a lot with the, um, Hunter Biden's like baby son, like this, the, the, well, like, two-year-old. Okay. But she's like funny, she just posts funny TikToks. All right. So I might be in on, on the grandchildren. Macy. You should be, the grandchildren, they're cool. Like, they're cool East Coast kids whose grandpa's the president. So they like doesn't sound that cool. Well, but they post Instagrams at the White House and they're like, oh just taking a pick but they're at the white house i like them i like his dogs too did you see uh what percentage of democrats don't want biden to run in 2024 i would guess 65 are you you saw the story no i didn't it's 64 yeah i mean that sounds that sounds right yeah and it was i believe 90%

of democrats under 30 94% of those under 30 yeah i would love to meet the 6% of under 30 of under 30 Democrats who are like we need Joe back fam yeah I mean show you show you unearth yourself it could be just like what better option is there but yeah I would I would love to talk to some of those people I'll take John Stewart he said no I think John Stewart would be I know but I really think I mean I think he's up on policy I think he's very well versed he's obviously funny he's he's he's engaging he's I think he's a leaps and bound better candidate to Joe I honestly do. Oh, I do too.

But I don't think that he would ever do it. I don't think that he has like any reason to do it. Yeah. Yeah. Also, why does like every competent person like have to be in the running for president? Like John Stewart being like a competent human being doesn't like. Because I think he's. But I think he's more to competent.

John Stewart is actually very savvy, very, very witty. And he's very intelligent being. I think he's more than just competent. He's not like a just like a, oh, another celebrity wants to run for president or is rumored to. I think I think he's actually. He's got some good redeeming qualities. I just think I'm out as on celebrities as presidents. I think the argument for Stewart is that he's gotten stuff done in the past around politics.

Like the 9-11 fund and making sure the first responders that were at ground zero, like they've got all these health issues that they've dealt with from breathing in that gas. And breathing and inhaling all the building particles and things like that. they've been like left out in the cold by the government for the last 20 years and he's actually been instrumental in raising awareness for him going in front of Congress and essentially which is a very passionate speech. It's really watch his speech, Matt. Watch his speech when he talks to Congress about that.

It's like that's probably what moved the needle, honestly. I think I'm in on that. I think we're just, we see anybody that is able to function like a normal human being and we're like, please let them be president. That's what I'm saying. like why can't we have someone like John Stewart like who's a politician be president that there's nobody like that yeah because that's the annoying part like that's what's so annoying because good politicians nowadays but I was going to say good people usually don't go into

politics like that's yeah and like that's what's so annoying and with everything happening with like Roe v. Wade and like inflation and all this stuff it's like I just want to Like, I feel like you need to shake people, like in the government. And I'm like, just yell at them. And this is why progressives, like, I would consider myself, I'm somewhat a progressive, is that Democrats and Republicans are very much alike in the sense that not many of them are actually for helping people, helping working class people and helping solve a lot of these issues that face us.

But they're just for retaining their position in their office. And so, like, even like when I'm watching like Democrats, debates against Republicans. I'm like, y'all are echoing taco points too, like the Democrats. Like they're not really listening and they're not really having conversations to like either like debunk somebody's claims or go into depth about somebody's policy decisions. Like they're just spitting out talking points just the same just on the other side. And it's like I'm not both sides of them.

I'm just saying that there's not a like, the reason that's why I love Bernie. When you listen to Bernie, like it's hard to debate with him because he actually knows what he's talking about. knows the solutions and he knows he has solutions and he has he's researched he knows the data points when a lot of the opposition is just talking you're just saying words and so I but I think that's for a reason a lot of these cats just want to keep their position they don't want to they don't want they don't want to they don't want to actually change shit or else they would it's like a job yeah exactly it's a job just like anybody else they get a paycheck yep and they go home at night and they get addicted to the power that they have and being a senator or congressperson and

all the trappings that goes along with that so they're on TV all the time they get a lot of retweets a lot of likes and they just want to keep that status and so they're not willing to sacrifice anything for it yeah john stewart i mean like yeah i agree with him why the fuck would you want to do that then yeah i don't think he'll ever want to do it i don't know if he'd be a good politician i don't know he might get sick of it i think that he's a smart guy i think he's empathetic and i think that he has uh he's got a lot of good qualities about it but again like i don't know if that would translate into being a good president like i think you have like i think you could be president thanks mad dog yeah i decline okay but like you have all like you seem to have all those qualities

like why doesn't pft just be president like you're talking me into it now yeah like i just i could definitely be flattered into running for president yeah i just don't understand all enough you guys like it yeah okay i guess i put out a twitter poll bar be it for me to if if the people want more pft I guess I'll just have to deliver I just don't get my people see like a competent person with like empathy that's like on the television and they're like president time PFT executive order

what is it? Bring back Mids Like this is actually what pisses me off a lot about Joe Biden he's so fucking dumb all he has to do and this might not even be enough to get him reelected but if he wasn't a fucking idiot he would just legalize marijuana

at a federal level boom done he could do that he could tell the CDC or not the CDC the DEA like hey we're not doing this anymore he has the power Democrats have the power but they don't do shit three things that will absolutely guarantee

Joe Biden's re-election legalize marijuana what was the other one or put it to the states just say okay every state can make their own law about it I'm cool with that. Cancel student loan debt. Thank you, Betty. Cancel student loan debt and expand the court.

Those three things will absolutely thousand percent guarantee you. You think that would be a popular thing to do? Yes. By Democrats, the Republicans don't want that shit because it would cease their power in the Supreme Court. I think there's a big difference. There's a big difference between like things that will piss off the right wing and things that are unpopular. So that packing the court, I think, would really. really piss off the right would very much piss off Republicans. But I don't I don't think it's

that unpopular if you put it to a poll nationwide. I would have to look that up, but I think that would be pretty unpopular. I think there's a very vocal part of the Democratic Party that wants that right now. But I think there are even Democrats that would say that's probably not a good idea. I think, yeah, like the centrists, like Joe Biden probably thinks it's not a good idea right now. A thousand percent, which is why we don't fuck with him. But expanded, The Spanner court will get him the progressive support that he is seeking. Well, so really the student loan debt would all cross the board. I'm talking about right and left because I know Republicans, I know that there are Republicans

that say don't cancel student debt, but there are millions of Republicans with student debt that when that shit is wiped and they just got their money, they changed their fucking tune. I don't know if they'll vote for them, but they'll change their tune on that. There's also a big part of America that doesn't vote in elections. So anything that you do to appeal to them means a lot more than something that's just going to, you know, otherwise we're just going to be split, you know, 48 to 47, you know, for the rest of our lives. But there's, there's a big, probably like a third of the country, didn't vote in the last presidential election, maybe more than that. Way more than that. Maybe 40%, I think it's a third of the country votes.

a third of the eligible voters vote was like 70 something and 80 no no no no third of the country's population so more of the eligible voters yeah so what Biden got 74 something like that Trump had like 80 I thought I got 80 I thought I got 80 I don't see how many votes yeah some around there between 17 and 80 so there's still a shitload of people that don't feel that's like 130 million so yeah about a third of the country yeah so if you if you convince you know a third of the people people that don't vote to turn out for you, you're going to win in a landslide.

By the way, no. So, 159 million people voted in the general election. So that's 40. There's only there's three, there's three, there's three hundred thirty people in America, but that's eligible voters. Right, right, right. So I think there's more than 40% of eligible voters. I think it's like, yes, I was saying 40% of the country. But yeah, of the electorate, yeah, probably half for a little bit more. Um, in, in a 2021 poll, 68% of Americans opposed adding seats to the Supreme Court. Okay.

But that was the question I'm saying. It was before Roe v. 8. Sure, but that's the most recent one I can find. A poll on that specific issue. All right. Before we get into the main crux of our conversation, teed off.

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by the same company 65% were opposed with 26% in favor and of Democrats 41% were in favor and 40% were opposed to backing the court and that was after

it had been leaked the Roby Wade decision uh okay teed off this isn't as much a a societal commentary as it is just a shitty

thing that happened to me but uh jet blue yesterday i i returned home from vacation i'm ready to go home i've had you know and i i never check a bag but we were gone for a week so like i didn't really have a choice so i checked a bag uh get back to lauardia wait for the bag wait for the bag 20 minutes goes by the little office is right there i'm like hey this is the one for the flight we're on yep still coming 30 minutes goes by 45 minutes after an hour i'm i go back to the same guy i'm like you're positive that we didn't miss it's not on another carousel note your bags are coming i stood there for 90 minutes uh and finally got my bag and i was very pissed off for the rest of the day i'm mad at jet

blue uh and that's what i was teed off about yesterday also uh people were still standing on the moving walkways which i i have already lamented about but 90 minutes is insanely long it was uh it was it was it was the maddest i've been in some time what took them an hour and a half. They were, they were like, they, I guess JetBlue only had that one carousel or something. So they were backed up like six or seven flights before. So there were other people who had been waiting their 90 minutes to when I got there. And so then they just had to do all those flights.

And now all of a sudden I'm not looking so dumb for taking that tiny little suitcase everywhere with me, right? No, I never have to wait 90 minutes for that. I never said you were dumb for taking a tiny suitcase. It was the, the look of the suitcase was funny. But, no, I hate. I hate checking. Yesterday, the exact same thing happened to me, but it was on United.

I was in the airport for two hours. We landed at seven. I didn't leave the airport until nine because everybody was just waiting in their bags. But to there, it wasn't, I don't think it was any kind of malfunction. I think there was a lightning delay. And so, like, they didn't want their workers out there. It was like hell of lightning out there. And so I could understand it, but I was still sitting there for two hours.

Also, something else. I hope whatever TSA agent did this, this podcast reaches, they, I had the thing where they said we checked your we looked in your bag whatever because it had my PlayStation in it which i assume set off some sort of hey there's a big electronic thing in here um and i had it strapped down there's straps in this so it was very secure i it's and it was just floating in my bag when i got it back thankfully it still works but to whatever tsa agent did that didn't put it back the way you found it fuck you i hate you i love the big t flies with this playstation i wasn't going somewhere for a week without a playstation are you kidding me but we're doing out with family

yeah yeah it was on vacation but like you still have there's still time that you're just chilling in the house at vacation. Like, what are you supposed to do? Read? Not reading. Actually, I did get into audiobooks over this vacation. What were you listening to? I like it. Currently listened to a book called The Club. It's about the rise of the

Premier League in English Soccer. Very good book. I might be an audiobook guy now. But I'm still not going to read it. It counts. You can tell it to me. It's actually a big debate amongst readers. Is the audiobook actually reading? It's a big debate.

I don't disagree There's a lot of people who are like I love listening to podcasts Like while I play video games and stuff So I was like this is just a really long podcast Oh that'd be like sensory overload for me Yeah I would not absorb No I couldn't absorb either of things that I would be doing

No I couldn't with the video game that I play Valor and you gotta I gotta get calls out and stuff Tell people where they're at and you know where they at Yeah if I'm just playing by myself though I always listen to podcasts or something I think it's uh yeah Fuck it I count that as reading Yeah well then good

then I was reading. You're absorbing your stories. So, Arian, did you have your PlayStation with you or why did yours take two hours? Not, not, you weren't listening, PFT. I think there was a lightning delay outside. Okay.

Well, I know there was like, that's what you said. It's a lightning in the day. But I almost could have went to jail or maybe at least got questioned by the police. We went and because we were going to drive, I was picking the shorthy up, we were going to drive from Portland and Texas

but I wanted to stop in L. late to visit the homie and then San Diego was my other homie birthday. So we did that. And by this time I got to San Diego, I was like, that I'm fucking done driving. So we decided to ship her car from San Diego to Houston and just fly from San Diego to Houston. But in the car, she had a gun, right? She has a gun. And so I forgot, and we had put it in our luggage. I had forgot that we had packed it. I was just like, let's just fly. And so I flew with a gun. And so I flew with a gun underneath the plane but luckily i'm talking i'm going through tsa and i'm like oh shit that's a gun in her it wasn't on her carry on it was in the what we checked but as long as it's unloaded

and then a secure thing you're allowed to but if that wasn't the case do you have to do you have to like disclose that when you're you do they say you do but we didn't and so it was definitely a gun in that motherfucker wow that would have been tm z man harvey would have been so so pumped to find out that Arian Foster arrested with a gun at the airport. Every time. It happens, you know, like once every couple months, somebody gets arrested for having a gun at an airport. You always think yourself like, what an idiot.

Why would you ever try to do this? But I guess sometimes, you know, who amongst us hasn't had to ship a car from San Diego to Houston because they're sick of driving? And so they just have to load a gun up sometimes. Who was the Jets player? Played in Alabama. Oh, that's right.

Yeah. defensive tackle i can't think of quinham williams he had a gun that was fairly recent he had a gun at the airport yeah well i'm glad that you didn't get busted for that that would have been it would have been tough that'd have been funny i don't think i don't think i don't think i don't think i don't think i don't think i don't think i don't think i don't lose any jail time for like let's say it was loaded yeah i accidentally was load or something like like that like i don't think like i think if you bring it through tsa now that's different like yeah that that you might have to answer to like some fbi i questions and stuff like that but if you try

to have it was under the plane yeah so i'm reading that's actually what quinn and williams did new york new jersey port authority police said williams uh was arrested at 915 charge police said williams had a permanent his home state of alabama but not new york for the glach 19 pistol he was carrying onto the flight yeah that's uh that's uh that's breaking a couple of laws there. Those charges were dropped. And see, that's what I'm saying. Like, if they don't, if there's no like real intent, they'll probably let you go to find some shit like that. But if you're actually trying to shoot a pilot, then yeah, man, you probably go do some jail time.

They have to reinforced doors now to get in the cockpit. Trust me, I've tried, tried to get in there. Not to like, commandeer the plane just to see what's going on, see what kind of hardware they got. Trust me, guys, I have a flight similar at the crib. Check out the radar system on there. Yeah. I got back on the sticks last night for the first time in a while had been in the skies because I've been at the uh at the Jersey shore for the summer and um man I miss I miss flying I was a little rusty miss those miss those friendly skies I do um I saw top gun Maverick it is so fucking good yeah welcome oh my god I just this is a great movie I I'm not an action person I don't like action

movies I don't really care about those I my jaw was on the floor the whole time what's your favorite part um i mean when they do the mission and they like no spoilers but but also the movie's been out two months okay so when they like complete commission but also um like the bar like i love the little bar moments they had um also um penny penny and uh mavericks i like their little relationship i hate that's the only that's the only part i hated i thought it was nice like wait hold on did you see did you see the first one yeah like she's how she's not in the first one she she's she's a when did you when did you see the first one uh for the first time recently yeah i think that's what it is like so it's just not that

big a deal to you but like we have been you know on the top gun lore for i don't know yeah i didn't grow up with the top gun it was like it was like penny bro why it's so random ass it just didn't make it was it seemed to force to us um i do wish i love meg ryan so i do wish meg ryan had a role in it again. Who's Mike Ryan? What's her name in the first movie? She was Goose's wife. Oh, yeah.

She should have been in it for sure. Oh, she's dead too. Instead of, this is one thing I would have done to make it better. Instead of when they kick him out after Iceman, the thing that happens to Iceman after they kick him out, he goes to Penny and it's like venting to Penny. if he would have vented to who was the dude in the first one with the mustache Goose's wife, yeah

no, no, no, no, no. It was a dude the dude in the first one that was like his superior. Yeah, I remember the guy that was like always screaming at him about stuff. Was he Merlin? Was he Merlin? No, no, no, no, no, not the ball guy. Not the ball guy. The guy when he went to Top Gun and he was like, I'll fly with you any day,

meverick that guy okay let's see i think it was jester was it jester no jester jester was the one he was flying against at top gun it was like the dude that was better than jester i'm looking it up right now i bet you're somebody listening and like i fucking know it uh was it tom scarrett i don't know i don't know his real name I think it was Tom scared he definitely had the mustache in the first one what was his character

yeah but I guess it was Viper Viper Viper yeah so Viper if he comes back and like he finds Viper to talk to about and if Vipers's like on some like do what you've always done that'd have been way better but rather than you go to Penny

who don't really know what the fuck going on you know what I was like eh that was a hell of a movie scene but if he would have went to Viper that'd have been a fire or even just the Iceman thing was very sweet it was good

but And it's such a good movie. Also, how, okay, how do they actually film all of the plane scenes? So my understanding is that, so Tom Cruise is a pilot. He's a real pilot? Yeah, so he can fly some of the stuff. But a lot of the scenes are, so some of the Hornets have a front seat and a backseat. Okay.

And the Hornets, the planes, they're in most of the time? Yeah. And so there's a camera on the actors in the backseat while there's a real pilot in front of them pulling all the G's. Because I was the same, because they're face. droops as if they're actually getting the G's. Yeah, they were really in the place. That's real. Holy shit.

Because my mom said that and I was like, I don't know if I believe you. Yep. Oh, yeah. That's true. When you watch the make enough. Besides, I mean, hey, hangman can choke. He can choke. He was a great villain, though.

Great villain. You need somebody like that. So that actor, he's, I like him separately. Like, I like him as an actor. He's in like a bunch of rom-coms. So I saw him pull up to the bar, quite handsome. And I was like, oh, God, you're here. All of that, that cast, like, I can't even describe to you how attractive

every single person is in that movie. Every single person in that movie is so hot. And they're always, like, oily and greased up. Yep. That's the key to good movies. Just make everybody hot. I mean, the football scene, I mean, I was a gas. That's kind of what bothers me about Hollywood. Honestly, it's like, it's no real people in it. Like, like, Tom Cruise. is like, what, 50-something, and he, like, that nice body, like, where the dad buys, she said? Or, like, where's, like, a regular, like, chubby woman? Like, you know, chubby, older woman?

Like, I would have liked that, too. Like, that's why, that's why Charlie wasn't in it. Charlie wasn't in it because she just looks like a 50-year-old, 40, 6-year-old woman supposed to look. I happen to like those kind of women. I also like how the tag team, one of the tag teams that they chose was Bob and, the girl shoot what's her name

Phoenix Phoenix I like how they picked the girl I like that that was a girl boss moment by her it was such a great movie like I was so taken back by how much I like enjoyed the movie

yeah I told you thought we was I thought we was capping I didn't think you were capping I just I'm not into that kind of movie and I feel like you and I are probably not into the same exact type of movie

no I love rom-coms you got be fucked up Maddie okay sorry but I love romcams bro As a matter of fact, that might be my favorite genre of movies. Yeah, I love her. Yeah, I love him, bro. All I watched while I was home was just Top Gun and Rom Combs.

But I... Love rom-coms. I did not think I would enjoy the action as much as I did. And I was like, are they going to do it? It's well done. Yeah. It's so well done though. Like, I think it could reach any kind of fan.

I guess it's just a really well-done movie. Like, it was just so good. They did a good job, man. I love the whole squad is obsessed with Top Gun. I have, like, I would, like, I would, Like, I get it. I would go see it again tomorrow. Yeah.

Because you have to watch it in the theater. Yep. I've seen it five times. Five times. I can't imagine watching it for the first time just in my house. Big T. Do you agree with the diagnosis? I'm giving Tom Cruise.

I'm giving Tom Cruise at least $80. Do you agree with the diagnosis that hangman is attractive? I don't remember what he looks like in the movie. His name is Glenn Powell. You can look him out. He was really. Specifically in top. Cockey pilot.

A little cocky pilot who thinks he's the best one. Who's talking the shit to go for, not go, go for rooster. Rooster. Yeah, he was the alternate. So he was waiting on the deck during the mission. He was waiting in the plane. I also, okay, do you think he's attractive? Oh, I don't care.

Okay. Can I ask a question? But is he, but is he, though? I don't know. He is in this movie. I'll tell you that much. Sure, yeah. I think everybody in that movie, they intentionally got attractive people.

Yeah. But it, so, yes, so he is attractive. And John Hamm. I'm sure to women, he is. Yeah, he is. What about John Hamm? Yeah, he seems like a very attractive person. He seems like it.

He is. I'll put my stamp of approval on it. Can I ask a question, a plot question? Now, I wish they went more in depth on the rooster and Maverick beef. Yeah. What does he mean by like? I pulled the papers. I know he,

like, it repeals like his submission to like. So when Rooster was applying for the Naval Academy, which is where you would go after high school. Right. That's like your college that you would go to. Yep. Got that.

Tom Cruise was like, Maverick was like, no, you're not getting in because. Like a breach of authority. Because Rooster's mom asked him. Right. But I also don't get why you wouldn't just be like,

your mom told me to it was her dying wish. Like I feel like that would be gate to me. No, he, no, he explains his, to why he didn't do that. He said because his mom died.

And he doesn't want to resent the mom. Exactly. He said, you already resent me because of your dad's death. Like, there's no reason to present her for the same reason. He's like, let her list. So he took that on, which is angst-ass moved. That's fire. But I feel like if you were like, it was her dying wish, like you could be like, okay,

I'll honor my mom in her last year. Why risk it? Why risk it? Why risk it? It's a good. And then they, and then they. The move. It's a solid move.

Buddyed up. It's a solid move by him. Yeah, but I was trying to figure that one out for part of the movie. But it was such a good movie. I'm so happy. I went and saw it. Yep. I had to drive 30 minutes to my nearest movie theater.

It was awesome. I enjoyed every second of it. Did you see any good rest stops or you're home? I went to a rest stop yesterday. Tell me about it. Okay. So this one I went to was in Freedom, Ohio, which Big T would have loved. And it was, I had to read download.

I don't know if I said this on the show, but my mom definitely told people. pft this fact when i when she was in town um i used to have a restop app growing up where i could track where i was on the turnpike and then from there be like okay this is the restop that's coming up and then you can see what food things are at it um so yesterday i was driving back i drove back to new york and we were on the turnpike had to see you know i was like i need breakfast what are we looking at and the restops in ohio are going to like start going under construction to be vamp up. Oh, they're going to upgrade.

They're going to upgrade. So I went to a rest up yesterday that I haven't been to before. And they're going to have a Jimmy Johns, a Dunkin, which the dunk was the only thing open. So I got a dunk in from a scary little lady, but she gave me a nice little sausage chicken cheese. Jimmy Johns, a little fresh market thing. And then, oh, shit, something else that was like a premium, like a premium fast food place, like a Jimmy John's type of moment. I'm so excited I'm so happy about it

I was so excited I made my mom take a picture of me in front of it I was so happy I was so excited I got to go to a rest stop while I was home it was wonderful it was fantastic I also my mom yelled at me for suggesting me went to Long John Silver as while I was home That's fair

That's good parenting Yeah which I was kind of talking her through Like what I would get when I was younger I think I don't think I recognize how weird it was that I could get corn on the cob from a fast food restaurant when I was that little because it came on a stick

so that was like that's awesome that gets it's so weird it is yeah but I was so excited eating that long John Silver's bro get out of here well that's what she said

then I didn't get to have any Long John Silver's shout out to moms but I like it was I had a lot of nostalgia this weekend a lot of rest stops a lot of thought about Long John Silver's good times and taco

it's the most Ohio thing of all time to be like that excited about maybe getting a Jimmy John's and a rest stop. But it's not even I don't know how I think it's just a me thing. Like no one gives a fuck about it besides me. And I walked in and I was like, Mom, look! It's under construction

and she was like, I could not care less. Yeah, and it was in Freedom, Ohio, which I thought was a little ironic. I'm positive. I may have witnessed the body dump as well. I'm driving down like

sort of driving all down the coast of California. So we decided to leave like at eight at night or nine at night from Portland. And then so we stopped in like outside of Bay. And so it's like three, four in the morning. It's like some potent gas station, some stop where there's nothing or nobody around. And there's this car parked in front of a dumpster with his lights on. This is like four in the morning. And I'm just filling up the gas and I'm looking like, bro, what the fuck are you doing there. And there was just like a nefarious activity. And then in short, it was like, yeah, I got to go to the bathroom. I was like, you hold that shit because there's something going on

over there. I cannot, uh-uh. I'm got to get up out of here. So I dipped. That shit was weird, though. Wow. Did you read the papers afterwards? You check the news? No, man. I'm on my business. City bodies. I don't know. Maybe we should look that up. And no telling them, man. I don't know what city I was in. I would be interested. But it was weird, though. Because there was a dumpster. and there's a car parked at front of it, lights on, car running at four in the morning, dog. No, it was like three, like three in the morning. And there's like, there's nothing around. Like, you can see the stars.

Like, you know how when you're not around the city, like the stars pop out more? Like, it's that. It's like one of those. That shit was weird, dog. If it were me and I were dumping a body, I would probably turn the lights off on my car, though. True. But there was a lot of ruffling going on and I just wanted to get up out of that. It wasn't my business.

Whatever was happening was not good. No, that was definitely nefarious activity. In my intern, in my intern interview, you guys asked where I would take a dead body, and it's not where that is. You got to go to a golf course. That's an intern question. Yeah, when I, I don't, you weren't on that episode, but when I was interviewed to be the intern for macrodosing,

I think Big T or PFT asked me, like, where would you put a dead body? And I said, a golf course pond, obviously. Golf course is a good, good, especially if there are, like, alligators on the course. Yeah, well, yeah That would actually help my case Where I live I didn't have Alligators but I could take

If I committed a crime in Florida Which most people do I would take a dead body Take a dead body to a golf course pond But someone DM'd me right after that Saying that they clean out the pond every couple of years To get like you pick up balls and whatever falls in there Depends on who the body is

Yeah but if I put a cinder block on it And then it just starts to decompose because it's in gross water. I feel like I'm fine. I think we got the Hudson River right here. That's a good option. The East River, too. But don't you think there's too many people watching you?

Maybe. Like, I think it's too busy of a place. If you go to a golf course at night, who's going to notice? Maybe go out to the Meadowlands. That's where they did on the Sopranos. Isn't that where Billy wanted to go for something? Probably. RIP, by the way, Tony Sirico.

Paulie Walnuts No longer with us Maybe one of the best episodes of TV of all time Is the Pine Barrens episode Of The Sopranos I haven't seen The Sopranos in full length You should watch it

I know I'm watching Seinfeld right now That's uh it's quite a bit different Yeah Seinfeld still Some of the episodes really do hold up With the exception of like Most of the episodes could be solved If one character had a cell phone

Then kind of everything The plot falls apart at that point but it was pre-cell phones but still i don't know it's still funny i watched a couple episodes this weekend too um it's you can see where curb your enthusiasm came from like the plot lines are kind of similar it's like one person gets into misunderstanding everybody else's storyline ends up resolving in a way that's like interconnected to the main storyline of the larry davidness of it all yes comes out yeah um hang on i got sneeze all right so you guys want to get into

Donald Trump let's talk let's talk a little Trump we've talked about him on the show but never really done anything resembling a deep dive into him we can do some of his greatest hits we can let's just start from the beginning

real quick though so he was born in 1946 he was a fourth of five kids you know what his dad's name was I do but I'm looking at it his dad's name was Fred Christ Trump

Oh I did not know the middle name Yeah Middle name Christ Last name Trump And so he was born in Brooklyn His dad Fred Trump Got Donald into the Real estate business

His dad Fred Trump Was kind of a slum lord And would employ a lot of dirty tricks To kick people out of the apartments Especially if they were rent controlled He also may or may have been arrested for taking part in a KKK march in Brooklyn. He was definitely arrested at a KKK march in Brooklyn for failure to disperse. It's unclear whether he was marching in the

parade if he was there to disrupt the parade. I don't know. I don't know what he could have been there for. But it's not a great sign if you're arrested at a KKK parade for failure to disperse not ideal i don't know the details behind it but anyways um so fred was an apartment builder he he actually used the fdr business loans um in the new deal to build his apartments so like you could say you could say like in a weird way donald trump got his start in business and might not be where he is today if it weren't for socialism isn't that interesting So, I mean, yada, yada, yad. A lot of stuff happens.

He goes to military school. He goes to Wharton School of Business. He tried to buy the Colts in 1981. That would have been something. Was that when Ursaid bought him? Or has he owned him that long? Ersay's family has owned him for a while. I don't know what happened in 1981 that made that, like, the strike point for Trump to decide to try to buy it.

I would like to actually find out more about that. And how- He tried to buy the bills, too? You tried to buy the bills later on. Yeah, that was just like 15 years ago, 10 years ago, I think, with the bills. But he's always been interested in sports, tried to buy the Colts in 1981, ended up by the New Jersey Generals in the USFL. And he convinced all the other owners of all the other teams because it was originally

Spring League. So this was like, there were probably some other spring football leagues that had been attempted before that, but this was really the first big spring football league. He was like America loves football. Why don't we do a league that takes place in the springtime? Now, I don't know if that was Trump's idea to do that because when he bought the generals, the direction he steered the league in was, hey, let's compete against the NFL and then make the NFL have to buy us out once we steal a lot of their talent.

So he encouraged the other owners to go along with the plan to make it into a fall league and then sue the NFL for being a monopoly and try to get bought out. They ended up winning the lawsuit, but you know what, their grand total? You know how much they won? It was a dollar, right? Yeah, a dollar. The judge gave them a dollar. And then the league went bankrupt because they're like, well, this was our big business

strategy because we can't compete against the NFL. So I think the final payment was like three bucks after all we said and done. But the judgment was for a dollar. And what was the justification for? paying them $3. I think it was just the judge had to determine who won the lawsuit and the USFL won the lawsuit on the grounds of like the legalities of it. But the judge also ruled that the only reason that USFL found themselves in a position

to sue the NFL was because they changed their entire league strategy to compete with them just to sue them. Oh my God. So the judge was just like, yeah, you guys. kind of win but your damages are one dollar so here you go um so the the other owners and the usfl obviously hated him for what he did actually jeff perlman wrote an interesting book i think it's called football for a buck where he like goes back and chronicles all the ins and outs there's the 30 for 30 too yeah yeah that's right was that also called football for a buck no it was uh small potatoes that's right

Yeah, yeah. He signed Doug Flutty. He was a big believer in Doug Flutie coming out. He thought he was just a winner. And listen, I tend to agree with him when it comes to Doug Flutty. But, yeah, it didn't go so well in terms of the USFL stuff. I play, I play a pickup basketball game with Doug Flutty in San Diego when I was in high school. We had this park that we always went to. And one day, Doug Flutty just showed up. He was weird as hell. Was he any good? It was cool, though. He was all right. I mean, we was giving him the business, but he was, it was okay. He made a clutch shot at the end, but he wasn't like, like nobody was. Flutty kick and ball, like, man, he was a solid, serviceable pickup guy. Kind of like how he was at quarterback.

I think it was a little more effective than that. At quarterback? He was a little guy. We had Flutie on part of my take, and I think he was like five, nine. He was about my height. Yeah, he was small. shocking that he was he was like such a good quarterback but he was fun to watch that's cool though that he just showed up and played like it yeah not in a way where there were like cameras around

he just showed up and was like nah no he was just there what there's this white dude um uh that used to go down with him and then dutch i wonder what dutch is doing man but he was like tattooed up this was white chocolate before white chocolate my man's had the best hand one of the best handles i've ever seen it was wow he was nice dutch damn Provex of memories. Streetball legend. Shout out to Dutch. Yeah, he was.

So Trump settles in, wants to have a family. He marries Ivana Trump. And the story behind his pre-up with Ivana Trump was pretty funny in terms of like how he goes about negotiating things. Do you know how that went, Big Tea? I do not. I think he offered her like $20,000 a year if they ever got divorced. And she was like, no, that's not going to. cut it, let's increase the amount. So they negotiate back and forth until it's substantially

more. I forget the exact number. And then after they reached an agreement, right before the wedding, Donald Trump's like, you know what? Let's just go with my first offer. And that's what we're going to stick with. And so they had like a long protracted legal battle about that. She started having his kids. And he said that he wanted five kids because if he had five kids, that would guarantee in his mind that at least one of his children would turn out to be a winner like he was that he did the math like i was worse logic i was one of five kids mother brothers and sisters are losers so uh i want to have five kids because he'll probably have four dorks and then one winner i think we can all agree who he has he is anointed to be the winner of his children right bonca yeah vanka i think he looks at

at his family the same way that he looked at like his brothers and sisters growing up where he was like okay Ivanka is the new Donald definitely not Tiffany not to he or Tiffany he hates Tiffany yeah he's out on Tiffany what happened there I don't well she she's not with his first wife right yeah she's with somebody else she's she's Marlon Maples maybe she's she's the only child yeah of the second wife mm yeah because the the first three are Ivana, then she's with the second one, maples or whatever. And then Barron is with the Melania. Barron future NBA talent.

Chet Holmgren better watch out, man. Very similar body types. No, no. Barron's got meat on his bones. You think he's stronger? Barron right now, I think, could back Chet Holmgren down in the paint. Maybe. How tall is he?

Six. I don't know. I haven't seen a picture in a while. Six, four, six, five. I think taller than that. Really? Darren? Yeah. I think he said they measured him at 6-6. Damn. And he's like 16. Yeah. Did you see that picture of him the other day?

This says 6-7. Yeah, he's ginormous. He's like LeBron James. Dude, he's huge. That's outrageous. So he'll probably be 6-9, 6-10. Yeah. Beyond the lookout. NBA scouts out there. Do you think he's an athletic 6-9 or do you think he's like a day-a-day? I think you have to learn to be athletic six nine like nobody is nobody's born nobody is born to be athletic at that height you have to get to know your body you just have an overactive thyroid i think you have to experience like your your body for a couple years at a certain size to get used to it you have to like break in your own body yeah yeah so like if he stops growing it'll probably take him like

three four years to really maximize his talents but at that point he's out on sports yeah He's already 16. I mean, he loves soccer. That's the crazy thing about him. Also, what's 610 person is playing soccer? Yeah, it's not even that good to be a goalie if you're that big because it's hard to get down on the ground and block the low shots. Although, Hakeem Elijah Juan was an outstanding goalie.

How tall was it? What was he? Seven feet? Has to be, yeah. The dream? Greatest center of all time. Oh, there we go. Let's debate.

This is my hot take. What about Shaq? You look at the early. clips of shack in his prime in Orlando, and Hakeem was giving him the business, locking him down. Hakeem has the most blocks of all time. He's, I would say definitively, but I understand people's argument. He's the most mobile, big man of all time, sweetest post moves of all time, two-time NBA champion. I mean, my man, he was the one.

Hakeem's my center goat. When you watch Hakeem play, you definitely had that sense about. you where you couldn't believe a big man can move like that it was unreal i guess pivoting the the dream shake is an all-time move their stats are very similar but shack has him edged by a little in in pretty much everything shack also played on better teams i think well hekeen played with like Clyde Drexler and those those very good teams those two seasons yeah two or three seasons is that all the rockets were a problem well they they won the titles in between Jordan's titles.

Right. But was, Drexler was on them for longer than two or three seasons. Yeah, I think he was. Yeah. But you're talking to the years that they won. The years that they won.

Then Charles Barkley joined and they sadly did not win. But yeah, Hakeem was a beast. I mean, Wilt is up there. Right? Yep.

They didn't, I don't think they kept track of blocks when Wilt played. That's true. But all I can do is go off the stats. But I know, Wilt is widely regarded

as probably the best one of the best players of all time I just I think it's a generational bias from my end I can understand

I can say it's debatable but that's just what I feel I know and I grew up in the Shaq and Hakeem era

like that was my era and so I've seen Hakeem dominate Shack even though you know

I'm a Laker fan Wilt was before my time when they was playing against like milkmen and shit you know i mean so i don't know bill rossel same he probably had more blocks i bet you i bet you i bet you came and yeah i mean it's tough to say because like you can't really do the compare eras thing because the game was so different there was no three point line game was more about like being on the inside back then than it was now um but baron trump's

going to be problem that's all i'm saying it's interesting that he named him baron because one of my favorite Donald Trump stories is that he used to have a PR person that worked for him, like his vice president of PR named John Barron. You guys remember John Barron? No. So John Barron was if like the New York Post needed a scoop or needed a source about what was going on in the Trump enterprise or like who Donald Trump was dating, a man named John Barron would call up these newspapers and be like, yeah, Donald Trump is dating all

these supermodels right now. He actually has three or four girlfriends and they're all incredibly attractive. He's really doing well for himself. They're having a banner year at Trump Industries or the Trump organization. And a recording of a phone call, a message from John Barron came out. This was back in like, I think it was either right before he was elected or right after he got elected. John Barron was just Donald Trump. He would just call up the New York Post and pretend to be an employee of his own organization named John Barron, which is just, it's a great example of like a name that Donald Trump would come up with because he loves, you know, sounding strong and projecting strength, which is why like he loves his name Trump and he puts on everything. Barron is another

big power name for him. He obviously likes it a lot. He loves the name Barron. So he named, he named, his most recent child after the fictional caricature that he invented back in the day. But go listen to those voicemails of John Barron talking to people because it's literally just Donald Trump. And then he was like, no, of course, it's not me. There was somebody else that that took care of my business. No record of this guy, by the way, because it was just Donald Trump. But then, yeah, so Trump, he has a great time in the 80s. I should say also in the 70s, he doesn't go to Vietnam because he had bone spurs, but he did experience his own personal Vietnam, which was not getting STDs by having sex with multiple women.

That's what he said, was his own personal Vietnam, was serving overseas, was having sex in New York in the, in the 1980s and not getting any bad. Listen, it was a wild time. It was, but it's also weird that he, you know, he doesn't drink. And the reason why he doesn't drink is because of his brother, who was an alcoholic and he died and he always looked at that as like a big warning side. Not a bad thing to not be a drinker But it's also crazy to be like just having

Copious amounts of sex all the time And not Not ever drinking Like I imagine that most of his life was going to parties And these like upscale events Alcohol flowing everywhere Just not drinking That would be very tough for me to do

That and parties are fucking boring Sover Like People standing around talking It's boring, bro I agree I feel like you have to I would not go to a club

I know Big T would not go to a club That's correct But I wouldn't go to a club I wouldn't go to like Late night cocktail parties If I wasn't drinking anything at all That to me sounds just like the worst Like dinner and events

I could understand like you know Those are probably fun network And stuff like that But if you're going to like a party Or like a club Like You just that's just boy Everybody's like faded

Having fun dancing You just stand in there Creeping That's kind of weird actually I'm thinking about it So he was a Democrat for a while. And like you'll hear in our interview with Michael Cohen, a lot of it was transactional. He was just on like whatever he was whatever he needed to be in order to help his business,

in order to help his personal life, in order to help his image. And then when Obama ran for president, that's when Trump started to get really into politics and be outspoken. And he would talk about like the long form birth certificate, where was he born, all that stuff. He, like, teamed up. You remember Sheriff Joe? Yeah. Joe Rpeo.

I was fucking dweeb. You're not a fan of Sheriff Joe? He's a fucking dweeb, man. He was like, there should never be a celebrity sheriff in America. I agree. Thousand percent. I feel like that's, uh, that should be a red flag for everybody. Like, why does this, why is this public servant care so much about, like, being on late night talk shows and, like, having his picture.

taken and put in papers. That should probably not be the first thing that a sheriff should be looking to do. But Trump teamed up with him to try to uncover the long-form birth certificate, claim that he had proof of Obama not being born in the United States. And that was like his first foray into American politics. And it put him on the national stage. He flirted with running a lot. I personally never thought that he was going to run. I thought that he always liked the idea of saying that he might run without having to do any of the dirty work and all the appearances and all the stuff that goes along with running for office I didn't think that he would ever want to be into that do you think he wanted to win I do not I don't think I don't think I think he just

wanted to like garners some momentum and some attention for his brand and his shows and everything that he had going on and then like more than halfway through it was like you know this shit is working see I think once like he wanted to beat Hillary but he didn't want to be president. Like once he won, he was like, yeah, I won. And then he's like, ah, shit. I kind of have to like be the president. Yeah. And I don't, I, yeah, I think we all agree. Like, I don't think he really wanted to do that. I think he wanted to win, but he didn't want to be. Right. And, uh, I mean, he was having a pretty good career resurgence. Uh, in the 80s and 90s, he bought a bunch of casinos and some of those didn't do so well. He had to file for

bankruptcy, I think three times with his casinos, which is tough to do to go broke. Owning and operating a casino is not easy. Generally good business to be in. Yes. And the way that he was able to get his casino licenses was actually pretty funny. So he has he had mob connections. His lawyer, Roy Cohn, was the mob lawyer. And he was widely known as being one of the biggest attorneys for organized crime.

And this dude, if you don't like Donald Trump, Roy Cone is probably, I think objectively, you would look at the two of them and be like, Donald Trump is a saint compared to Roy Cohn. He was like the hatchet man, the fixer of all fixers. Roy Cone was just like an evil dude that prided himself on being just like a bad, bad human being that won all the time. But he was in charge of like keeping the mob.

safe and keeping the mob out of prison. And so Roy Cohn helped him work out business deals with the mob when he was building Trump Tower, when he's building some of the casinos, where the mob would be getting kickbacks on the different types of cement that they were using for it. And then, you know, helped him get in the good graces of the casino licenses, the gaming board in New Jersey to operate the casinos. And then later on, Donald Trump would write in his own books talking about how like he was able to lie on his applications to the gaming board and roy cone helped him out with all that and then the gaming board had to be like no this isn't what happened like he admitted to what he did after the fact but the gaming board couldn't do anything about it at that point

because it would make them look bad that they had approved it if they admitted that there were mistakes and stuff like that so uh trump became a casino guy and he started to expand his brand but then he went bankrupt a few times and then he hit the golden ticket when he got in into television. So when he got on the Apprentice, I think we can agree the Apprentice was good television, right? Great show. I loved The Apprentice.

Celebrity Apprentice rocks. Yeah. I mean, he played the part of being the, like, egotistical boss perfectly. Great theme song. And he is good at reading people, too. Let's, let's be honest. Like Donald Trump, if he has skills, it's figuring out what everybody's angle is, what their weaknesses are, what their strengths are.

and cutting cutting through all the bullshit yeah and firing people yeah he loves to fire people he said that before that like firing people is good because it streamlines his business but I think he just likes the act of you know demonstrating power

over somebody but the apprentice was good television money money money money he made he made a lot of money doing the apprentice expanded his brand tremendously and I thought that he would be content just being on TV being like king of the ratings It gave him something he could point to also and be like, I'm number one.

Objectively, look at this. I'm the best TV star that you have. Well, in fairness, if that's what he cared about, he didn't lessen that by becoming president. He was still king of the ratings, much more so. Well, he got, he started to take credit for CNN's ratings, like his enemies. The cable news networks will never match what they were able to do. Never. Never.

And when they would cut into like his live appearances and the rallies, like, the networks, love that shit as much as like joe biden's many shortfalls are covered you know every day even i mean we'll never joe biden is not covered half as much as trump was no i mean you couldn't turn on a reason for that though sure but i mean you could not turn on a tv channel and they were talking about anything other than trump like that's all it was for four years yeah because he was the sitting president seeing some of the most outlandish shit that you could possibly say. Like, of course they're going to cover it. I mean, they shouldn't.

But that's what happens with entertainment is woven in with news. But they didn't have a choice. I think this is, it was unprecedented. They've never seen a politician be as brash and honest and dishonest, and dishonest, all in one. And so it was just like a walking circus. And so it was ratings heaven. It became professional wrestling when he got on that stage in Cleveland for the first time in 2015 with the 12 other candidates or however many there were at the RNC debates.

And he just, he just went full heel. The first question was, you've called women, pigs, this, that, and the other. And he said, only Rosie O'Donnell. And I remember I was watching it with my friends. This was like right before we all went to college. And we were all watching it. And I just remember being like, this guy is. is out of his mind.

And it was, it was funny watching the different people that were, that were running for the nomination, try to play his game and fail in the different tactics they would use to clap back at him. So like Rand Paul at one point, uh, was on that stage and he was like, this man is unpresidential.

He insults women. He insults the disabled. He insults physical appearance. We don't need a person like that running the country. And then Donald Trump was like, Rand, you know, I've never once insulted your.

appearance and believe me there's a lot of material there to work with and uh and then the whole crowd just like laughed at ran paul it's like oh he called you short and ugly without saying anything about it like yeah he implied it and you know what i liking it too his he raised the bar well maybe lowered it um but he changed the standard in that which politicians act so like so like so like i look at it like mohammed alie right when mohammed alie his brand was like so like malady and you're like Now all boxers are like that. You have to be like that in order to promote yourself. And so Donald Trump changed the landscape of politics and where all politicians are now starting to do that, especially Republicans.

Like that is the brand. Call them out. Make sure that they know their pieces. Like that is the brand. He changed that game. I think he forever changed political discourse in this country. Wow. Donald Trump is the Muhammad Ali of politics.

politics from Aaron Foster. That is not it. Do not clip that shit. They both didn't serve in Vietnam. Mark the time stand down. They don't do that shit, Maddie. I will block macrodosing. Yeah, they did both didn't serve in Vietnam for very different reasons.

Yeah, one actually, one went to prison for not going to Vietnam. Exactly. The other got elected president. look at that so uh so yeah trump trump did break people's brains a little bit when he was running for i remember marco rubio tried to get he tried to like embody the voice of don't trump he tried to play trump's game against him and like at one point insinuated that because he's got small hands he's got a small dick and then and then everybody was like oh my god what's Trump gonna say to this and Trump just basically at the next debate came on stage was like

just so you know I've got a great penis it's like it's it's a perfectly great penis and then everyone was like holy shit what the hell is going on there's no problem there I can assure you yeah yeah no problem there man uh wow and everybody everybody had take cruise try to do the same thing he got he got swatted in the roasting debate and then ended up just fucking just giving it up to It's just, Ted Cruz might be the worst, bro. Everyone hates Ted Cruz. Oh, my God.

Especially his family. But when he was at that debate and Trump was like, where was your dad the day that JFK was assassinated? Oh, he was there. Like, implied that his dad killed JFK. I'm saying. They called his wife ugly, too? He tweeted a meme that was saying, like, here's Donald Trump's wife, here's Ted Cruz's

wife. Any question? Something along those lines. It was a very unflattering picture of, uh, of Heidi Cruz. And yeah, yeah, essentially called her ugly. He didn't say it out loud in those words, but that's very clearly what the message was. And then said that he was going to spill the beans on his wife. Don't know what that meant, but I don't think he ever had to spill the beans because Cruz started campaigning for him shortly thereafter. But he just made like some of our nation's most egotistical politicians, like Chris Christie, for example. Chris Christie was like, he thought that he could do no wrong. He was like the world's biggest bully to the point where I think when he left office

was his approval rating in New Jersey, like 5%. Something stupid like that. Chris Christie dropped out of the presidential race just to be the first person to publicly support Donald Trump with the understanding that he would get the nomination for vice president and then uh don't trump was like well you're fat i can't have you on the ticket and also when you get covid i'm not going to help you uh stop yourself from dying so good luck with all that so he just makes people like kiss his ass and then they always do no one ever seems to learn the lesson from it people want to kiss his ass and then he eventually will turn on them

because he's very good at one thing and that's promoting himself and doesn't really care that much about about anybody else that's in his orbit um so do we want to to get into any of the greatest hits of drop um yeah let's get it big t what do you got when you say biggest hits like moments just moments tweets moments moments i mean and i guess i mean his biggest hits are all like negative in a way i mean the escalator like Like the very beginning. I mean, what biggest hits? Like, my personal favorite Trump moment is really just a tweet,

and we referenced it with Cohen. It's the Trump Tower Taco Bowls. Oh, do you remember the, I forget where he was, but it's him and like some Middle Eastern leaders and Melania, and there's the globe slash orb. The orb, yeah. And they all just, they put their hands on it and he's looking real, like, I don't even know how I would describe his facial expression.

Who could forget the orb? Who could forget the orb? Imagine, imagine for one second if like Hillary Clinton had her picture where she had her hands on an orb, a glowing orb, symbolizing the world with, you know, some of the richest, most powerful oil barons. Like, that would have, people would have freaked out at that point. But it was Trump and it was like, this is just ridiculous. Like, see, there's so many.

I see, I've, I've never heard about this once. Uh, Trump once addressed thousands of Boy Scouts with a rambling political speech about cocktail parties and rich people having sex on boats. Do you remember this? I remember when he spoke to the Boy Scouts of America. I do remember that because he just used the entire speech to like talk about what a great president he was and how everybody else was bad. Quote, you remember that incredible night with the maps, Trump said, noting that the maps were

quote, so red it was unbelievable and the pundance who had expected a Clinton victory didn't know what to say is that the 2017 Boy Scout Jamboree in West Virginia as quote as the scout law says a scout is trustworthy, loyal we could use some more loyalty I will tell you that

yeah he just goes on this this rambling speech. So to go along with the discussion of like did he ever want to be president I don't think that he thought that he would win on election night. I think he was shocked.

Well, he had gone on a three-month Escapade declaring that like the results were going to be fraudulent and then he wins. I think everybody around and was shocked. Like, now what? That's what's so funny

about this whole thing, especially about the whole January 6th shit and the re-election. He gave you the blueprint what he was going to do before he even did it. I don't know how many times like and and well I think it was the scarier part and I think is what history remember him before is like the the way in which you can convince people in the face of of just no evidence is it's alarming it's it's alarming how many people believe that shit still to this

day to be true that it was rigged but like he's just so he has a way of convincing some people and I don't understand it. Oh, I have one of my favorite moments. The Clemson National Championship dinner that was McDonald's and Wendy's and all that. I mean, that's just, that's peak Donald. And he has the picture posing in front of all the burgers.

That's just, that's just classic Don. I would have really enjoyed that meal as a 20-year-old. Yeah, I don't, like, I guess when you go to the White House, you do want like a nice dinner and shit but like I'm sure there were guys who were like this rocks also well I think you could get most of that food as a food right

they probably eat that shit every day what would you have wanted if now you'll have to suspend disbelief here for a second but if the Tennessee volunteers had won the national championship when you play their area what would you have wanted as your White House meal So it was like I always tell me

Like when I was on my visit Like we had dinner I forget the restaurant maybe I remember it was But like we had like steak and like lobster Stuff like that and I had never had lobster before And so I was like oh this this is fancy And this is amazing like I loved it

So like I and that was before NIL and stuff And we was broke So I would have loved to have like a fancy meal Good shit mashed potatoes shit like that That you don't really get on a day-to-day basis because you eat a lot of junk food and whatever's in the cafeteria so i would have loved i had that shit we bet you big tea i would have appreciated the absurdity of going to the white house meeting donalds there granted yeah you want a nice dinner when you go to the white house

but like that's so funny that i would have appreciated it that's just me though it is objectively ridiculous when you compare it to like the traditions of the white house yeah have you ever been has anybody here ever been to the white house no i mean i've been like to the outside of it not at the inside yeah i've never been inside i think i've never been inside don't you have to like i mean it's damn near impossible to do a tour now right you have to have like letters from members of congress and shit i don't know what it's like now it used to be pretty easy though you just have to sign up like way in advance i just i think now it's like you have to do all sorts and stuff. I would like to go to the White House at some point. I feel like you could get invited

to go. Me? Yeah. I don't know. Well, what are you going to do in there? You could interview someone. What is it that you want to see? I want to take a shit in the White House. I'll be straight up honest with you. I would look. I just want I want to take a shit in there. How many people can say they've done that? Not many people. That's what I want to do is I would like to, I would like to defecate in the White House, preferably in the same toilet as a president has used. I feel like they've used most of them. Yeah, what percentage? So just off the top of my head,

I would guess that there are about 20 bathrooms in the White House. I think that's low-ball. Oh, yeah, I bet it's got to be more than that. How many do you think, Erin? Because you, are we counting the West Wing? I mean, I bet there's 20 to 30. I say there's 60. 132 rooms, 35 bathrooms and six levels.

That's just in the residence. What? 35 bathrooms. In the residence? Oh, I guess there's... I think I'm reading that correctly. I bet, well, FDR probably has the all-time record for different bathrooms used, right? He was there the longest.

I think he probably... I don't think that... You think he... Well, he probably had, like, one that he was more comfortably able to use. I think, I think someone... Who's someone that's known to have, like, a lot of... have had a lot of affairs. Oh, JFK.

JFK. Well, he wasn't there for very long, but he had... He had bowel problems. he had ibs yeah at ibs so he was probably taking a lot of shits and he wanted to kind of like not he was probably sneaking around a lot sneaking around and then like bring in maryland row in yeah i mean jfk is a sneaky good pick on that one um ronald regan yeah i was going to say ragan old guy probably took a lot of shits too but old guy does he want to walk around that much to go shit slash can he hold it that one probably get away from nancy for just a second

she's trying to blow him every you know i mean i don't know trying to get some peace and quiet. Ronald Reagan is probably the most likely president of all time to have received a blumpkin in the White House. What is a bloomin? It's getting ahead while you're taking a shit. Why would you want that?

I don't know, but like... Is that a thing that people want? Wait, who did that? No, I'm saying Ronald Reagan would be my bet for the most likely to... Because of Nancy? Because of Nancy, and also he was probably shitting a lot. Hmm.

that's a gross I don't know I think Reagan probably shit in a lot of those toilets are we conflating though like did Nancy love to give head or was she just really good at it I don't I don't know if you can have

one without the other I agree I actually agree with that in order to be good at something of that magnitude you have to enjoy it well I think you could probably it could go the other way you could probably love doing it

and suck at it I think both can be true but one is more likely than the other Yeah And she was old by the time she got in the White House Like she's had years and years of practice No but I'm just saying she's had years and years And the dentures teeth pop right out

Hey bro, I'm telling you Teller you Hey man Less less viscosity It's better I we need to post the link to this website because there's so many of these that I don't recall or maybe never heard of in the first place when he said a hurricane was quote one of the wettest we've ever seen from the standpoint of water yeah yeah when he was in the hospital with COVID and tweeted out a picture of him like supposedly working but he's just signing blank pieces of paper with a sharpie this might be controversial when he made the when he when he when he the weather of Um, the hurricane map. He drew, yeah, he drew it made a bigger or something like that's on here.

Oh, God. Oh, the lawnmower kid. Yep. And then he actually gave him like 20 bucks or something. To mow the lawn? That's nice. Yeah, but like the kid had had written him and said like, I would love to mow the White House lawn. Like, I charged $20 something.

And Trump actually only gave him $20. But he paid him. He did. At least he paid this guy. He did. I feel like he could have given him a hondo. It would have been nice. Yeah.

A little something extra, buy something I get home. Hell, and Joe's economy, 100 is 20. Yeah. The 18 footer in was it Puerto Rico with the paper towels? Yeah, shooting toilet paper, paper towels. Unreal, though. The standpoint of water won. That was him just like explaining because everything with him has to be like the biggest or the best.

And so even the disasters have to be like the all time worst. oh windmills cause cancer or is a noise it's a noise or windmills it's cancer and they kill birds that's true yeah but if you're a bird that flies into a giant

windmill like that's that's Darwin is on you it's on you it's a giant fucking windmill I get scared of windmills that's one of the things like I think I've talked about on this show before it kind of goes along with my fear of heights

I hate looking up at giant windmills and how they're moving. They're terrifying to me. It's like a big fan. They're massive. And just like how fast these huge things are moving,

it just freaks me the fuck out to look at giant windmills. Huh. I think that's a irrational fear, man. I think it is too. But it's, if I'm in a plane and I see a bunch of windmills, I'm cool with that.

But if I'm standing next to a giant windmill, Nope. I'm sweating, thinking about it right now. This was an all-timer. Do you remember person, woman, man, camera, TV? Yep. That was electric. When he was, he was recalling the results of his cognition test. And he said they'd never seen anything like it. Well, so the picture of him when he's in the hospital with COVID, I think he looks better in that picture. I think he looks better than he normally does.

He doesn't have the bronzer on. His hair isn't jilled up. He looks more like a human being in that picture. And then one that I, a refrain, I repeat often, the turn off the lights. I hate lights. You come into my apartment. There will never be a light on ever.

You don't leave any on while you're gone? Hell no. I mean, I, I didn't, I, I don't make the kind of money you make. We can't just all be leaving lights on willy-nilly. How much money is that really cost, though? If you leave one way on. I don't turn lights on when I'm home. I don't like lights.

So anytime... You're always in the dark? Yeah. So when I'm at somewhere that has a lot of lights on, I break into the Donald Trump, turn off the lights. You must hate it in here. I do. Every time I get out of here, I feel like sleepy because there's so many lights. Wait, shouldn't it be the opposite?

No. These lights, like, beat down on you and you feel like tired. You're nocturnal. I don't think so. You're like a raccoon. No, I love sleep. Yeah, but you just, you can sleep during the day. no I can't I can't nap

you just think ironically make you tired yeah I can't all day lights lights do the opposite lights keep me up if I fall asleep I don't like them for that reason if I fall asleep for 30 minutes in the middle of the day I feel like shit

well that's true I think waking up from a nap throws off your tire yeah I can't nap throws off your body I feel opposite when I fall asleep and wake up I feel well rested I feel rejuvenated I think y'all are sleeping wrong maybe your diet is

shit or something because I mean problems. Naps are supposed to regenerate. No, like I feel great when I wake up in the morning but I can't sleep in the middle of the day. That's interesting. I have a really bad habit of falling asleep with the lights on and in my like full daytime close

and then I'll like wake up at 4 a.m. and not know where I am. I do like three times a week. Like on your couch? Nope. In my bed. So you go to sleep at a normal time? Nope. I like I basically run until it's empty and then I just like pass out on my bed. Like I'm just too lazy to like put pajamas on and turn on, turn off the lights. So I'll just be scrolling on TikTok or something at like, you know, 1130 and then I'll wake up at like

4 a.m. Same TikTok still going. And I'm lights on in my jeans. Shoes sometimes on. So every morning you wake up at four, turn off the lights. Then you go to bed for real. No, sometimes I just let it go. I just leave it on. Yeah, you got to start taking your shoes off. Well, most of the time the shoes off because I'm in my room and now I live here and it's gross to have my shoes on in the house. But yeah, no, I'll just fall asleep on top of the covers. Sometimes on top of my pile of laundry, I don't want to fold. A lot of people say that you should have a routine that gets you ready for bed. Right, which is what I'm trying to implement because it's getting to a point where it's like,

I have to be an adult and go to bed at night. I think parents say that when I'm thinking some people say. I think most parents. It's your mom. Yeah, your mom tells you like, okay, brush your teeth, wash your face, put on your pajamas. Lights out. Read a book.

Yeah. I literally run it until I can't, until I physically cannot get up. But you're still scrolling TikTok. Yeah. But then I'll, then I'll just doze off to the TikTok. That's actually demonstrable. It's awful. Blue light.

Blue light actually tricks your brain into thinking that it should be up. And so it actually keeps people up. Oh, Aaron, it's an awful habit I have. I'm not saying I'm enjoying it. No, I mean, I do it too. I'm just saying. Yeah. There's science behind it.

And then I wake up half the time at like 8 a.m. And I'm like, oh, shit, I'm running late. Or I wake up like 3 a.m. And then just decide to keep going with my night in the clothes with the lights on. Why don't they make a phone that doesn't have blue light? Like a different type of light. I don't know enough about that. Technology doesn't exist yet.

Yeah. I feel like that's you saying like, why don't they make cigarettes that don't have like bad things in them. Yeah. Speaking of cigarettes, RIPD. Joel. Well, no, no, no, it's back. Oh, it is? Yeah, the federal court blocked the ruling. Okay. Something, something blocked the ruling. Wait, did Joe Biden step in? I don't think Joe Biden stepped in, but I think some court blocked the ruling. That'd be very funny if Joe became like the crusader for Jewel. Some congressman came in ripping a menthol pack. It was like,

Joe's like, listen to here, listen here, Jack. Bring back the mango pods. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. He reeks of mint jewel pod Oh my God Joe Biden should start jeweling Oh that'd be sick, yeah I like that Already grueling He did his knee

Oh You see his secret service agent Fell off the bike in front of him And Biden was behind him And announced to all the press Like that's not me I'm still I'm still riding Wait they put him on another bike

Yeah he got back on the bike You're kidding No that's how you get over man Same thing like Wait, was this the same? Was this the same time? Like after he fell off, he immediately got back on and kept running or this was like, this is a new time. This is recently. They let him get on another bike. He's still biking. That's outrageous. Yeah. They're trying to kill him. They're trying to kill him. That's that the secret service. That might be a reasonable explanation. The secret service is actively trying to kill Joe Biden by making sure that he exercises. You put that guy on a bike. You are assuming a lot of risk. You are. Like, How old is he? 79, I believe. Yeah, 79.

Oh, I thought he's not 80. I thought he was in his 80s. 79. He will be 80 on November 20th. Yeah, probably. Get this man out of here, bro. Probably shouldn't be biking. He's got that life energy in him.

You can only spend so much. We'll get into that with Michael Cohen in a little bit. Anything else we want to talk about with Trump? I mean, we talk about Trump a lot in this show. Just because, like, he's always front and center in the news. He's on his new truth. platform where he's re-truthing and trothing stuff, just unfettered acts. It's almost too much truth at this point. That's what people said about the Trump White House often. Yeah. Too much

truth. Too much truth. Oh, one of my one of my favorite. Nobody said that one of my favorite Trump moments was when he divested himself of all of his business dealings because when you become president, you're not allowed to own any sort of business that might benefit from your, you're your job running the country. And so he had to sign all these papers divesting himself and putting everything into a blind trust. And so he had a big press conference with stacks of hundreds of papers and he wanted to show everybody what he just got done signing. He's like, I just got done signing all these papers. Look at these. This is me signing all my businesses over into a blind trust. And then reporters went up to the table after the press conference, started looking at the papers. There were just

blank sheets of paper but but he's a he's a showman that's what he likes to do yeah there's one way to he's a liar pathological too like he'll he'll lie about she don't even need to lie about like crowd sizes like it's all part of the brand baby when he was growing up um i thought this was interesting i've read a couple books that he wrote himself one of them was uh there was a part where he talks about Madonna and how he wouldn't sleep with Madonna because she was too ugly even though she wanted to sleep with him.

I think Jose Canseco actually made that same claim in his book too. So she was getting turned down left and right. That's tough. I guess that is tough. So I've read some of his books and he talks about growing up how there was always a winner

in his house. So if the kids were playing games, if they were just like around the house, if they were playing with blocks, his dad would announce one person as being the winner of the game. I like that. That's a good way to run things. And so he would always compete against his siblings.

And he used that same parenting on his own children growing up. He's like one person has to be the champion of it. You don't think Big T that like there's like art is good for the sake of art? What do you mean? Like if you're just like your kids are painting something. I think it's good to teach your children that there are winners and losers in the world. and that once you, you know, go out into the real world, you need to be a winner. Okay.

Now, what's the best way of doing that? I don't know. I'm not a parent, but instilling in them early that people win things and people lose things, I think is good. There's a lot of gray area, too, though. You want every, you and everybody get a trophy guy? No, I mean, I'm not in everybody gets a trophy guy, which, by the way, that's total bullshit because it was our parents that gave us participation trophies. I'm not saying...

Now they're mad at us for having the participation trophies. I'm just asking if you're a... Sometimes it's good for things just to exist for the sake of existing. I definitely think sometimes it's very good for things to exist just for the sake of existing. For example... The majority... I would argue the majority of time that should be the case. Like, I love the Jersey Shore.

Okay? I have a great time down there. I love the ocean. I also like the Shenandoah River. I think they're both great bodies of water with wonderful. recreational activities surely you see how that's different than people okay um i don't have children so maybe maybe arian can weigh in on this but if you have one child that is uh like painting something another child that's painting the same thing and one is like aesthetically more pleasing

than the other maybe because their development stage maybe because of what their inclinations are i don't know if you necessarily have to be like hey the you're painting wins your painting loses I don't think you have to do that either So maybe if he meant literally everything That's overboard But I don't think it's bad to like If your kids go out and play basketball Like okay we're gonna keep score

And like somebody's gonna win But like if your kids just happen to be painting And you stumble upon them painting No I don't have to I don't think you have to say like Oh yours is way better yours sucks But like I do think it's It's not necessarily a bad thing To have your children engage in competition

The irony of this though Is that so Trump grew up in a household that did prioritize like winning everybody like every activity had a winner and loser he has won at a lot of stuff in his life but he's like maybe the worst loser of all time so he did not learn how to lose in that environment i didn't say learn how to lose i think some of the most competitive people ever are bad losers isn't that important though like when you're keeping score if you're doing that with your kids which i agree should be done i think that like you know there's a lot of life that is tied into winning and losing at things.

So if your kids are playing sports, you have a winner and a loser. That's great. I don't see a problem with that. But also part of the reason for teaching them about winning is to teach them about losing and about, hey, in life, you're going to lose sometimes. Yeah, I thought that's probably important. Here's how to handle. But it doesn't seem like that message really sunk in with them that much. Maybe not.

Maybe not. He did become president. No, I'm saying like, say what you want about the. guy but he has he has accomplished a lot in his life it's he's very strategic and he has he's not like the most classically intelligent person obviously but he does have emotional intelligence and he knows how to treat people around him in order to get what he wants he's one of the greatest of all time at manipulating people and and using them for his own game he's just such an enigmatic person because he's objectively won a shit ton he was very rich to whatever extent

you believe he was he became president he was you know this tv real estate magnate mogul and but at the same time like a ton of people hate him despise him uh he he also lost the presidency the second time but it's it's a weird dichotomy do you think don't well the I think that's the thing, though, is like, when you look at what it means to win, right, especially in this kind of, like, economic system we have, they teach you young that there are winners and losers and you should be a winner, right? When in actuality, the best way to say is, like, you should try to maximize, like, goodness and everything that you do.

Because if not, you'll have an extreme winner, quote unquote, like Donald Trump, who has taken many L's, but has convinced people that he has. right but it also stepped on a lot of people along the way like we talked with my call and how there's lawsuit after lawsuit and and in the admission of scamming smaller businesses and slapping people with what they call slap lawsuits which we didn't really get into but but that's just like the the more money you have the more you can like bully a smaller business because they can't compete with you you can't file and file and file and file and they can't compete monetarily and you end up losing that lawsuit so it's like yeah you've won but at what cost

You know what I mean? And that's most of us who are not pro-capitalism, that's our gripe with it, is at the end of the day, you can win all day. And that's amazing. But at what cost? Because there's losers. And those losers have families that have to feed and all of that shit. So, like, that's the biggest gripe I have with the shit. And that's why I try to teach my kids.

Yeah, you can win. But be a good human being, dog. Like, be chill. He also doesn't necessarily treat his supporters that well. so he has like an open disdain for them like he likes the fact that they love him but he so you can just look and see what's been going on the last like year year and a half um he started that you know the fundraising after he lost the election being like hey this is the trump defense fund we're going to defend the election results donate here and he's raised millions if not hundreds

of millions of dollars uh for the election defense fund from his support orders directly, like via direct action on the email list, things like that. And there's, there's no fund that's ever been created. Like, the fund literally does not exist. And so he's just taking money from them for him to do whatever he wants with. Just, just off the backs of people that believe the stuff that he's saying and like truly, deeply care about his cause and think that everything that he's doing is great for the country. He's even treating those people like shit and, like, taking money off him. And you could say he's winning at that. Like, he's, He's fundraising off a thing that does, I think that what, I was saying,

I think that was Michael Cohen would, that was part of one of the, the charges that stuck was, yeah, campaign, campaign, taking campaign money and paying people off. Yeah. I feel bad for, for the people that are contributing money to it, because they think that they're trying to save democracy. A lot of them, I think, are doing it for what they believe to be the right reasons. And they don't know that he's just, he's not doing anything. about it that the fund doesn't exist. That's pretty fucked up to me.

Like I actually say good for those people. The people that are giving him money, I don't really fault them at all because in their heads, they are trying to defend democracy. They're doing like a noble thing. But he's just, you don't fault them a little bit. I mean, also if, um, I think if you truly, they're about it. I think that if you truly believe everything that he's said about that election, then yes, you should be what's kind of storming the capital. It's, it's, like what you should be giving them money yeah like if you actually believe there were kids being raped in that pizza shop and you don't go in there with a gun you're kind of a bitch yeah i agree you are and and like the people that storm the capital listen at least at least they are standing up for what they

think is like a direct injustice that's being committed against american democracy i'm not saying anything about you know whether or not what they're doing is based in fact or their fears are based in fact but they've been told like hey our country's being taken away at least people that are donating money and and getting arrested for like trying to zip tie nancy pelosi or whatever at least they're following through with what their beliefs are as opposed to like a lot of people that are like yeah you know uh he's he's he's bullshitting us again but i still like the guy you know so i just i feel bad for the people that have been taking advantage of especially the last year and a half into donating a lot of their money

that they might not have to give away. $250 million in donations from its supporters, it said would go to an election defense fund to pay for legal fees to overturn the 2020 election result. $250 million. So a shit a ton of money.

That's crazy that he's raised that much money off it. So, Aaron, you don't feel a little bit bad for those people? No. Because if I'm giving my... It's like, I don't feel bad for people who get taken by Charlottent's at church or none of that shit.

Because if I'm going to give my money, I'm doing my due diligence, right? I was taught to critically think. And so if I'm giving my money to this cause, I'm going to make sure it's a worldly cause. I'm going to make sure I know my money's gone, right? It's on you. It is on you.

Does he, like, outsource any kind of fact check and anything? Like, no. So, yeah, he plays a part in it. But I think it's just one of those. things where you are falling victim to your freedom that you have on the internet and it's it's on you you need to find a way to to check yourself and make sure that you're not just falling victim to the propaganda that you agree with and if if if if that's what you want to do then then go ahead and do it and fund this crook because that's what you're going to continue to do

I agree 100% I'm actually very curious Have either of y'all Ever donated to a political candidate Hmm No I don't

I might have given like 20 bucks to Obama In 2007 or 2008 Whenever that was Because I was gonna say I'm not sure I'd never donate to a political candidate Ever really for like any reason Particularly one that's like hey we lost But like we think we're gonna be able to overturn it

yeah i i don't i don't see myself ever doing that's weird unless you're like really rich and you can like actually have influence which you can debate whether that like should be able to happen or not but if you're just like a jo schmo and you're sending like 500 dollars like that's crazy i think i was yeah i think it was like 23 years old and i saw like an obama speech and i was like inspired i was like here's my $20 sir did you get like a stickers i don't know what i got i certainly didn't get $20 worth of return off it. But, yeah, it was just like caught up in a moment of patriotism. I was like, the USA is back.

Can't wait. He's going to fix everything that's wrong with my problem. So, yeah, it's weird to give money to a politician. I think in general, it's a good notion of shit, but I think the reason why I have never is because, one, I don't think that there's, like, legislatively that, there has ever been a politician that had my best interest. And so I just don't, you're just going to take my money and do what you continue to do. And two, I think that there are lobbyists that are in their pockets way deeper than I can give you.

So what's the point? Yeah, like the small donations, they don't, that's not going to buy you any sort of influence whatsoever. No. So I just, I'll vote, right? I used to not, I was one of those like voting doesn't count, but I'll vote. I'll vote in local elections. I'll vote in general election, but you ain't getting on my money, though. There was a really interesting article that came out over the weekend about this town in New Hampshire

and how it got taken over by, like, people moved from out of state because it was seen as like a haven for libertarians. And they were trying to make a brand new, like they were trying to make their libertarian utopia where there was like as little government interference as possible. There were also people that lived in that town. I think that there were maybe, I don't know, a couple thousand. It was a pretty small town, but enough people moved in, and they started to enact this agenda that involved, like, completely defunding the schools and almost, like, entirely defunding the schools. And it left every parent with thousands of dollars and bills that they had to pay out of their own pockets because, like, there was this one person.

It was like a husband and wife that decided to control the budget. And then after they passed this, this law, the town looked at themselves, and they were like, well, this is kind of on us, not being politically active and for not paying attention to what's going on and just kind of being apathetic. And then they started to become more civically engaged and go to the town meetings. They eventually got that turned around because everyone in the town was like, what the fuck is this? Like now we have to pay whatever it was, $4,000 a year just to have our kids go to public school. And it was a lesson for them to be like, hey, well, if you're in a democracy, you do have to pay attention to what's going on, even though paying attention and caring is

sometimes very uncool. Sometimes it's important. Which is why, I think, to Bigtee's point, it may have been a political strategy to let them overturn Rovi rate because they were down in all the polls. I'm talking about, I remember we were talking about predictions in the upcoming election. I was like, Democrats about to get washed. The new polling says that they're up. And so it may have been a strategy.

But it's like, that's another thing why I don't ever give money to politicians because they do this for this. reason, right? They, they either are passive or aggressive, not to help people, but strategically to stay in office. And so it's, I think it was a, it was very advantageous for Democrats to be passive about, about this. Did you all hear about, um, the guy who was running for president in 2020, who said he was going to dissolve the federal government on his first day and then resign? Do you remember this guy? No, who's that? Uh, his name. was...

I know the Tiger King had probably the best political I was just saying the Tiger King had one of the best political ads of all time dog he's out broke I don't know shit you see some bitch name

I forget her name wants to kill me that's one of the funniest things of all time doc oh my god my proposal is the localization of government he said

dissolving it through a bankruptcy process and a peaceful order that would leave us with 50 independent states and of course up to 562 sovereign native nations I'm guessing that's counties, but there's way more counties than that. I don't know.

How can you use the bankruptcy court to dissolve an entire country? I feel like, I don't feel like bankruptcy court has jurisdiction over the United States government. Yeah, but basically he was going to just get rid of the federal government. How many votes did he get? It's a good question. Let's find out all libertarians. It sounds like some libertarian shit. Yeah, he was a libertarian.

Yep. They don't think things through much. Adam Kokesh. Like, it definitely sounds cool for somebody to say that. But then what would the actual ramifications that be on day-to-day life? And then you have 330 Americans, like, still have to settle things outside of the federal government inside the federal government. Next thing you know, Canada invades Minnesota. And then what, Minnesota has to fight Canada on their own?

Yeah. They don't get the support of the Army? I'm not... What army? I'm not able to find how many votes he got. I don't even know if he ended up being on the ballot in most states. I guess it's probably not, like, an actively hostile person to the office they're running for. Probably pretty difficult to get that person.

But I do remember he, I do remember him running and getting, you know, his 15 minutes of, we're going to dissolve the federal government. What about the rent is too? damn high guy. I know that quote. I don't know what that's from. He ran for office in New York many, many times. And his party, I think was called the rent is too damn high. And he would always wear, he might have been like former military, but he wore these leather gloves on stage for every debate. And he was just talking about how the rent

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He is a former attorney. He worked for President Trump. You've seen him testifying before Congress. He was also, he had to spend time behind bars for some of the activities that he committed while serving as President Trump's attorney. He now has a podcast called Mayacolpa, and he has a book coming out at the end of August, beginning of September.

It's called the Department of Injustice. Thank you for joining us, first of all. It's good to be here, PFT, and we got Big Tea in the house. Who do you say, Aryan Foster as well, somewhere hiding in the back? Just as a little bit of a clarification. It's actually going to be now my second book, My first book, which I wrote while I was in Otisville, turned out to be a number one New York Times bestseller. And I expect this one to be exactly the same called the Department of Injustice.

And it goes into a lot of the things that you and I are going to spend the next, you know, 45 minutes or so speaking about. Because the story you think you know about me, the story that was promoted about me by media, by Donald, by all of his. is at the lights, it's not accurate. Okay. Well, I'm looking forward to. I'm sure that it will be a bestseller. There's a big appetite out there in the public, as you will know. So the way that you happen to find yourself on this podcast today, last weekend I tweeted out a video of you when you were given testimony.

How many times was the question that you were asked? How many times were you asked to threaten somebody on behalf of the president? Yes, that's exactly the question. And it was 200? And I said, so my response was, I don't know. So, of course, the member of Congress said, well, 50, sorry, more, you know, a hundred. And we're talking about over the decade that I had worked for him. I said, more.

I said, over 200. That's probably right. That sounds about right. And so, and so it sounds about right. And that then, of course, became, you know, another massive meme. and it's another thing on, like, the TikTok and so on. I'm on TikTok myself, and the funniest is when all of a sudden I'll start to hear my own voice onto it, including from people who are friends of mine that alleged they didn't

even know that that was my voice. I'm like, come on. Serious, you know, just keep spreading the stupidity, my friends. So we were using the meme in the context of how many clients do you plan on entertaining tonight as an homage to a person who also works on this podcast. And then you reached out. Or you guys see, like, retweet it, quote, tweeted, whatever. And then DMD and asked you to come on.

So that's how we find herself here in this position right now. So I just wanted to know if all these people are going to be, you know, showing up to your party. I think my response was, well, what about me? Right. I mean, you're using my voice on that. And I don't even get an advice. I'm not sure I can, I'm not sure I can make it.

Not that I even received the invite, but, you know, nevertheless, it would have been nice to have been invited. We can have some beers sometime. We should do a live show with Michael Cohen. I think that would be an interesting one to get into. So I want to start just in general talking about how you found yourself working alongside Donald Trump, how you got into the orbit of the Trump organization, because I think that's like a little bit murky, at least for me it is.

I haven't done probably as much reading as some people out there have. But how do you find yourself working with a man like that? And what was the first experience that you had face to face with him? So I talk about it in the book, Disloyal. it's actually the start of it, whereby I stated, I was actually brought into the Trump orbit by Don Jr. And what happened is Donald was having some serious issues with the board over at one of his buildings. I, by coincidence, happened to have owned an apartment in that building,

as did my parents, my in-laws, a whole bunch of friends years earlier. We had purchased as a block about a dozen apartments. in that building. We just thought it would be a good investment. It turned out to have been a good investment. I then was contacted by Don Jr., who, by coincidence, was building my apartment in a different Trump property that I bought. And this is, again, years, this is about two plus years before I even started to work for Donald, the one that he was having the issue with the building. That was about eight years before I started working for Donald. And I was asked to come in and help. They were alleging that he had improperly taken money from the coffers of the

board, which ultimately turned out not to be true. There was a pretty rogue board. I then put together a plan over through the board, reinstated a completely different board that by coincidence happened to have included Kelly Ann Conway, which is how, of course, I got to know her and brought her into the Trump orbit. Suffice it to say, Donald truly enjoyed the tactics that we used in order to take over the board. And that then had me front and center of his mind for other issues that had come up. Now, at the time, I was a partner in a white shoe firm here in New York city. And what ultimately brought me into his orbit was he had a massive problem with Trump Entertainment Resorts. That was the third Chapter 11 reorganization issue with his casinos,

where he asked me to read the documents and come up with a strategy that would benefit him, which I ultimately did. Now, he had racked up with me about $100,000 worth of legal bills. He didn't want to pay the hundred. And instead, while we're sitting and having a conversation in his office, he just blurts out. Why don't you leave that sleepy firm that you with and come join me here? And he goes, you'll be my personal attorney. You'll be, you know, special counsel just to me. You don't answer to anybody other than me.

And made me the executive vice president of the Trump organization as well as special counsel. I said, him, okay, but what about my legal fee? So he goes, what, you want to get fired on your first day? Just forget that. That money, most of it would end up going to the law from anyway, and why would you want to do that? Okay. That's my first experience. Okay.

So it sounds like, you know, when you alluded to the fact that he was a fan of your tactics and your strategy when helping him deal with the issue with the board, he, you're a guy that plays dirty, and he liked that about you, right? I don't know if I would say in this case it was playing dirty. You know, they had made statements about him that were inaccurate. I happened to have been an owner, as again, as many of my friends and family members were also owners there. And the actions that the board were taking were detrimental to the building. What we ended up doing is because we had access to all of the owners, we put together the list.

and we reached out to them quietly for them to vote for a new board to come in. Is that dirty? I don't really think so. But it was a strategy that worked and it was a strategy that he was happy to benefit from. You play hardball. Like he respected you because you didn't back down. You were in a position where you could have been the ones being attacked. and you pivoted to being the attackers?

That's correct. Okay. Yeah, I can see that. So you start working for him as the executive vice president. You're his right-hand man. So you find yourself to be, you know, I guess as close with him as anybody else in his career or probably his personal life, too. What was that like? You know, before politics was involved, before, you know, he would allude to maybe running for president one day,

but it wasn't something that's part of his day-to-day. What was it like just working for him? What was the position you found yourself in? Was it a stressful job that you had or just walk us through kind of what that felt like? Well, as I also wrote it to the book, I was the first call that he made every morning, which was about 4.45 a.m. And I was about the last call that he would make, which was about 1130, 11.45 p.m. During the day, while I was there at the Trump org, you know, my office was about 30.

feet from his office and I would be summoned into his office, I don't know, 30, 40, 50 times a day depending upon how long he stayed in the office. I was virtually, I was basically involved in virtually every aspect of the business as well as his personal life. And so was it stressful? Absolutely. There was always something wacky and ridiculous going on. Much of which he created the issues, and my job, of course, would be to fix it, in essence, crisis management. And one of the reasons why I guess I was successful and be able to stay there as long as I was is because my ability to deal with crisis and to figure out a solution is probably better than most. I started this company where I'm a principal called Crisis X. which does exactly this.

But it's not small crisis. I'm not talking about the kid who's driving 30 miles an hour over the speed limit gets a ticket, no interest. I'm talking about very significant cases with very significant people that requires more than just the average bullshit where the lawyer tells you do X, Y, and Z, or a PR firm tells you so. This is a comprehensive strategy that includes all, modalities in that way, you know, we effectuate the ultimate result, which is anything that

benefits the individual. And part of that was the Stormy Daniels case, which I'm sure everybody's familiar with, that you were involved in the negotiation behind the scenes. How much money would it take to buy the silence, essentially? So I think the number that you settled on was $130,000 for storm. That's right. How did that negotiation go? Did you, like, I know, for from what I've read about Donald Trump, he likes round numbers in general. So, like, how, what did you start at? Yeah, so it's not the way that you think. Keith Davidson, who was the attorney for Stormy Daniels at the time, contacted me originally.

And it was because there was an article, I think it was in the dirty.com, and Stormy was very upset about it. She wanted it down. And it alleged this affair that took place. And she didn't want that story in the paper. And so in order, of course, to have it taken down, we all acknowledged and agreed that the affair did not happen, at which point was able to come down. Years later, when Trump became the Republican nominee, is when the story then resurfaced.

Now, I'm not, I'd like to be able to take credit for the $130,000 number because based upon the, you know, the legitimacy of the claim, it's probably worth more than that. It was really Keith Davidson, who turned around and started at a number of, it was like either 250 or 200,000, to which I immediately responded as a former negligence attorney and litigator in malpractice cases. You never accept the first offer. And so I reduced it. I said, Trump will never pay that. And so I had offered $100,000. Simply, because Trump did not want this information to get out. And at $100,000, that's in my estimation, a pretty good resolution.

Keith Davidson's response to me was, well, I have a 30% take on this. And so Stormy wants to net 100, which brought the number up to 130. So I'd like to say that it started at a million and we brought it down to 130. that's not how the scenario happened. It's exactly as I just described. That seems like a pretty low number for such a- I thought so, too. Especially how much air time that claim got, right?

It was national, international news. So $130,000 seems like a low number. Is that something you had a lot of practice with? How many of those negotiations did you have to get into on behalf of Trump? As it related to these affairs and so this is the one and only. That's another misconception that the media, mostly because of the scumbag Michael Avinati would go on TV and talk about how this was, you know, a regular occurrence that I was paying people's silence on a regular basis at the Trump organization on Ford Donald. It's just not true.

Interesting. Big T. You got anything? Yeah, I've got some questions. Then I also have some questions from our friend Billy who gave us a long lit. He's usually on the podcast. He's not with us right now. Hold on a second. I want to ask a question specifically of that before we pivot from the Stormy Daniels thing. So to your knowledge, because Trump still denies any wrongdoing from that, I guess it's just like a lot of his payments and a lot of his settlements, he just kind of wards off to, that's just part of doing business. To your knowledge, is there any truth to the claims of Stormy Daniels? Well, that happened. That is fair. happened years before I was even working for Donald. And, you know, as I even stated to members of Congress, I wasn't in the room watching, you know, nor was I there at the time. So I have no firsthand knowledge of what transpired in that room. What I can say is, I truly believe Stormy Daniels account of it, to the same extent that I also acknowledge,

Trump had another relationship with Karen McDougal, who was a playboy playmate, that he doesn't seem to deny either. And they're both very similar. Gotcha. And it around the same time. Right. Go ahead, big team, my bit. So I guess what I would ask is what would you say to someone who, you know, you've called Trump every name in the book, and you would know, you were worked very closely with him. But what would you say to someone who said, well, you were helping a lot of this go on and now you've, you know, you flipped and are on the other side? What would you just say to dispel that or like, why should someone believe you now as opposed to when you were

working for Trump? Okay. So let me start with the latter part of that, which is the usage of the word flip. I did not flip. All right. That's a Donald Trump word that he. he used on his social media platform that really caused me a tremendous amount of consternation. I cooperated with the government, which is my responsibility. It's the responsibility of all Americans to cooperate when you receive a request or a subpoena, as I did originally, from Congress. And I cooperated. I provided truthful, accurate, and relevant information.

That's what I did. And to those people that say, well, you work for Donald Trump for over a decade, and so you got what you deserve. I make this statement in my upcoming book, which is how many people listening to this program work for a boss who's a scumbag? And if every person that worked for a boss who's a scumbag quit, I think we'd have a lot more unemployment. in this country. Now, Donald was always Donald. There's no other way to describe it. He was always a scumbent. But what did we do? It's a small, privately held real estate development company. Yeah. Did we take advantage of a paint company as I talk about in my book? Sure, were there bills that were supposed to be paid 100% that were not, that were paid fractions of what they were,

Oh, absolutely. Did I sue people on Donald Trump's behalf or participate in the, uh, in suit of a law of a lawsuit in order to prevent things from coming out against him? Absolutely. But what effect did that have on anybody? What did it affect did it have on any of you there in the studio or anybody that you know? It did not unless you were one of the people that got screwed over by him, whether it was on behalf of the Trump entertainment resorts, the casinos, or any of the other multitude of garbage that he would peddle on a regular basis. The answer is it has no effect upon you. So to hold me responsible for Donald Trump as president of the United States, that's an unfair thing to do. When I started the campaign in 2015, and that was as a result of 2011,

when he elected not to run because it was so lucrative to continue going with the apprentice and I was at the time co-president of Trump Productions as well there was a lot going on he just picked up the Doral he just picked up the golf course in Scotland

and Ireland and there was a lot and he did not feel that the kids would be able to handle it and so he decided 2011 that he was not going to continue for the 2012 election however one thing he said to me is I want to do this in 2016 and so yes I continue to promote the idea of him running for the presidency one of the things that I never expected along with so many other people who truly believed that Donald could be a great president

was that he would ultimately become the best version of himself not like the way we would run the Trump organization, which was just down and right, dirty New York real estate, that he would rise and elevate himself to the office of the presidency. But he didn't do that. He actually brought the office into like the dumpster fire of garbage and basically decided that he was going to use the position as president to benefit himself, his family, his business and his, you know, close billionaire friends. That's my answer to them.

I cannot be held responsible for more than what I actually did. Well, I got a question about that, man, because I think what you're saying on its face is true, right? And it's a lot of what Trump does. Like, he'll sprinkle in bits of truth with a false narrative. And so what you say is like, what did this do to affect? me or anybody in the studio or the average day working Americans. And I would argue like a lot.

Like so those slap lawsuits that y'all used to give on people like that perpetuates like this notion in America that like money can hide everything and and squashing the little man. That's like exactly what we fight against and why politicians run on protecting the little man, protecting small businesses. What y'all did was take advantage of small businesses, right, which is runs in opposition of what he ran on and run into the opposition of what we all claim to care about politically. And so what I'm hearing from you, and I don't mean no disrespect, my brother.

I don't know you on a person. Listen, listen, I have no disrespect taken regardless of what's going to come out of your mouth. Perfect, perfect. But it sounds like you're trying to absolve yourself from the actions that, well, then if that's not the case, then why not just say, yeah, we did some dirty business. And I'm trying to do my best now to move forward from that rather than saying you can't hold me responsible for all the shit that we did because it was done it as well. If you listen to the way the question was phrased, it deals more with Donald is president than at the time that I was there at the Trump organization. Now, yes, I've taken responsibility for the things that I have done.

I talk about it. I've written about it. And I don't try to absolve myself. What I am trying to do is to make amends not only to the country, but to my wife, my daughter, my son, you know, and to my family for all of the hell that I've put them through. But everybody wants to point the finger at Michael Cohen and say, you know, you're responsible for Donald Trump becoming president. And I constantly get that on social media where I say, yes, myself, along with the other 70,

million people that believe that he was going to do the right thing for the country. Yeah, we played dirty real estate. And I acknowledge that. I don't run from that. But that dirty real estate and that usage of the law, which is what I was trained, by me doing my job, I certainly should not have been in, well, I wasn't even indicted. I should not have been imprisoned for what I had done. So what exactly were the items that you were convicted on where you had to go to prison?

What was the ruling on that? Okay. So there were, it actually ultimately became nine counts. The last one came after the first entire ordeal. But the first five were tax evasion for the years, 2012, 13, 14, 15, and 16. The sixth count was misrepresentation to a bank based upon what's called a HELOC, a home equity line of credit, misrepresenting in order to get the HELOC. Seven and eight, seven was the payment to Stormy Daniels, and eight was a payment of $150,000 to

Karen McDougal. Those were the eight. Now, if you want, to sort of talk about it, a lot of this is now going to be covered in the second book when the reality of what I should have only had to deal with. And that's the payment to Stormy Daniels. I never made a payment to Karen McDougal. In fact, it's even, you can all Google it yourselves. It ultimately came out.

David Pecker made the payment through National inquirer and the parent company AMI. I wasn't involved in that transaction other than to look over the document to ensure that Donald would be protected because at that point in time, David Pecker was being considered to be the editor-in-chief of Time Magazine or Time Inc, whatever it's actually known as. So, nevertheless, I had to plead to that. the HELOC violation, that's probably the stupidest one of them all. I didn't fill out the documents. That was filled out by First Republic Bank. And I had 80% equity in my home. Plus, I had more money

in that bank than the mortgage and the HELOC combined. So one thing that Judge Pauli made as a statement during my plea is that I've never in my life owed a single dollar to any person or an institution. And there is no financial harm that was ever created to anyone. The first five, which of course were the tax violations, I'm paying taxes for over 30 years. And this was all part of the Petrillo sentencing memo. It's why I called the book, the Department of Injustice. It wasn't about what I really did. It was about the need for the country, the need for Donald Trump to have me held accountable for things outside of what I had done for him. And that's where the book goes into a deep dive, naming people, talking about the judge,

talking about the system, talking about the prosecutors. My conviction, I want you just to think about this for a second, I learned what they were going to be charging me on 48 hours prior to the day I was required to come in and plead guilty, or they were filing an 85-page indictment that was going to include. my wife. And there was no chance I was going to let this woman go through the bullshit that I was going through the pain and the, you know, the torment that it was going. There's no way in the world that I was going to allow that to happen. And so I ended up electing to accept the allocution that they prepared and to read it in court.

Have you spoken with Trump or any of his representatives speak on his behalf since your indictment? Oh, no, no. I only spoke to Trump the day that I was raided going back into, you know, 2019. After, you know, after that, I had never heard from him again. What was that conversation like when you're like, hey, just, just a heads up. I got, I got some FBI windbreakers in my house. Yeah. So the funny thing is that's when I realized, it was that conversation that he, He knew everything that was going on. And I say that because there's no way in the world that the FBI was going to raid the home, hotel, law office, and safety deposit box of the personal attorney to the president of the United States without the president of the United States knowing, especially not somebody like Trump.

Because if that happened, that individual would have been. fired the very next day. And when he ultimately said something to the extent of, it's disgraceful that they just raided one of my attorneys, that's when I knew that he's going to do everything in his power to distance himself, deflect, and to put the blame on me. And at the time, I had, I didn't have time in order to properly fight this. The whole matter started and ended in 48 hours over a weekend. Maybe I've watched too many movies about high-powered attorneys and fixers. But it seems to me like if I were in your position, I was working for Donald Trump for a long time.

And I knew all the things I had been asked to do in the past, I would have some sort of file that I would keep in like a very specific location. Like in case he turns on me, I've got all this ready to go on him. Is that something that you ever considered doing? Well, you may recall I provided plenty of documentary evidence to Congress, specifically, the one that was live, the House Oversight Committee hearing, when I presented all of his personal financial statements that we had used in order to obtain lower rates on insurance and other things, like when we were looking even to purchase the Buffalo Bills. I provided that documentation. I want you just to really just understand that the Trump organization should not be compared to murder ink. There was never a time that, you know, we killed somebody, took him out to Central Park, dug a hole and dropped them in there.

That never happened. Again, the Trump organization is a mom and pop real estate development company. Did we act dirty? Was I a sharp elbow lawyer? Did I use the legal system in order to benefit Trump? Because that's what I was directed to do. Yes. Hindsight being 2020. Should I have done it? No. Did I need to do it? No. Something I also discussed, you know, in my book, disloyal. I didn't go to work for Trump like so many others because I had to, because I needed a paycheck and so on. I was semi-retired at 39. I had made a lot of money early on. I didn't need to work another day in my life.

I did it because I thought it was going to be exciting. There was a lot of good things going on, too. There was a lot of real estate development. There was a lot of action going on. I was put on the board of the Miss Universe organization. The only three were me, Donald and Allen Weisselberg. I was involved as co-president of Trump Productions, which dealt with everything, including.

the apprentice so there was a lot of exciting things going on it just we did we took let's just say right turns that we should not have taken and I should not have been a part of it and I acknowledge you know the mistakes that I've made over and over and over again let me ask you about some of the the small little details about being around Donald Trump for so long because You knew him, again, at a level that very few others do. Does he, like, how often does he actually eat fast food? Every day, just about. And when I say fast food out, let me put it to see.

The first time I ever had a McDonald's was on his airplane on the 727. Personally, I prefer Burger King. I don't like fried food. But anytime that there was a trip going anywhere, it was always fast food. even his meals, his dinners were prepared downstairs by the Trump grill, which is in the at Trump Tower by the chef. He ate an enormous amount of fast food. Let me put it to you that way.

In that one picture where he's saying, I love Hispanics and there's the Taco Bowl in front of him, the other part about that picture that caught my eye was the Sudafed. And everyone's always specularly like, how much Sudafed does this guy take? Was that? Because we know that he doesn't drink. Is Sudafed, is that his drug of choice? Yeah, is Sudafed, even the drug of choice that people take? You know, he has, he has issues, right?

I mean, he has sinus issues, and I've seen him on a very regular basis, take Sudafed. You know, he also took bare aspirin every day, as if that was going to help to prolong life, you know, and, you know, keep his, you know, keep his heart going strong. But you're right, he doesn't drink. I've only seen him, you know, sip either a champagne or a glass of wine, there may be less than a handful of times over the course of my tenure with him. We're going to get back to Michael Cohen a second before we do. I want to talk to you about Helix sleep.

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How was prison for you? Did you join any gangs? Is Trump an ass or a tits guy? Pretty obvious from Stormy, he's a tits guy, but is he open to the caboose? Is Trump physically strong? Have you ever seen him do any weightlifting or training? How much do you think he benches or squats? And what are your thoughts on the deep state?

Was your compliance due to a cobble that secretly manipulates politics and the world? You can answer any or all of those. Wow. Well, football. All right. So that was a. some of the greatest questions I've ever heard. Did I join a gang in prison? I went to FCI Otisville, what's called the satellite camp. There were approximately 120 inmates, and

the average was about two to three correctional officers on site. In fact, there was no gate. If you really wanted to escape, the way you would do it is call an Uber. They'd come pick you up. Problem then is you'd go to the other side of the facility. Now I had a car that I used to drive while I was there that would go back and forth, you know, whether it was to the pipe shop or to the water treatment facility where I was working. I had power tools. We would play softball on Sundays. So we all had baseball bats, aluminum bats. There were no gangs. 50% of the facility were Jewish, the other 25% say Hispanic, 25 black. Everybody got along.

I mean, while I was there, I was there with the likes of Mike Sorrentino, the situation from Jersey Short. He was my tablemate. He talks about, you know, a caper where we tried to steal chicken out of the kitchen. First of I didn't have to steal anything. Tony meatballs, who was a friend of mine, ran the kitchen. So, you know, I just don't eat chicken. I've never actually eaten a piece of chicken in my entire.

life. That's weird. But, like, you should go back to prison. Like, that's a free crime right there. Like, why have you not ever eaten chicken? I'm chicken. I'm chicken, I'm chicken phobic. I'm chicken phobic. Um, I had a pet chicken when I was a young boy at the age of like five and it somehow ended up on the table. It's a long, complicated story. He was a good chicken. His name was Fred, but that's neither here nor there. Um, we had Dean Skilos, who was a Republican, uh, here, state senator. We also had Joe Pericoco, who was Andrew Cuomo's chief of staff. We had some pretty high profile individuals that were there.

There were no gangs. There was no fear for anybody's life. I played a lot of tennis, which was great because I grew up on a tennis court. So I got my swing back. Of course, I tore my rotator cuff. But, you know, there was a botched. court. There was basketball. We would play football. It is

not what people think until they took us to the other side of the facility, behind the gates, behind the bobwire as a result of COVID, where they had me in solitary confinement, no movement at all for 51

days. That was troubling. That was difficult. And they conditions in the facility, especially where we were, which was building E, the A block was disgusting. It should have been, which it was, I believe, closed for repairs, but they felt it was proper to bring the satellite camp over there and to house us there. It was absolutely disgraceful.

What was the second question again? Real quick, what was the difference between the two buildings and why were different inmates in different buildings? Was it the, well, it was based upon your, yeah, it was based upon your crime. You know, we were all nonviolent white collar offenders. You don't put them in the same facilities. You put, you know, folks who have violence in their jacket. You know, this was, it was a satellite camp.

We basically policed ourselves. It honestly sounds. There was no gates. It doesn't sound like prison to me. It sounds like the first place sounds like summer. camp. Like, you had a car. It is. Yeah, it is. It's basically what it is, is it's warehousing of human beings. I can assure you, the smarter move for the bulk of the people that were there at FCI satellite camp with me would have been better served had the court determined community service.

There were dozens of lawyers, accountants, doctors. I mean, the guy in the cubicle, right next to me was an orthopedic surgeon. You don't think that there are places that he could have provided his skill or accountants to try to help people that can't afford accountants or lawyers to help them, you know, with pro bono work and so on. That was basically what constituted. It's a stupid system, something I get to, again, in the upcoming book. Well, I think that's the funny part is that white-collar crimes are, like,

slap on the wrist and like nonviolent drug offenders or even some violent drug offenders or locked up like you were the last 51 days in that despairing that's it well they're not locked up they're not locked up the way that we were for 51 days there was no movement at all there was no yard there's no movement they put you into a room they close the door they open it up to feed you they take the stuff out afterwards you're not moving at all so it's not the same on top of that you know, we could sit and discuss the justice system. I'm not trying to compare white-collar crime to any other crime other than to say failure to pay tax should not mean being removed from your family, from your business, from your life.

Pay the tax back and do some form of community service. I think we would all be better served. Now, there were many people that were with me that also have. had that we were there, non-violent drug offenses. And, you know, their sentences, I find to be as foolish as mine, disproportionate and foolish. Basically, the United States has made incarceration into a business. And until we all stand up and start to do something, positive, to make a change. I never believed prior to what happened to me that incarceration was not justified

to the people who were incarcerated. I knew people were incarcerated early on, and truth be told, they deserved what they got. After meeting with so many people, different types of backgrounds and ethnicities, religions, and so on, spending real time with these folks. Not, you know, I have friends from all over the world. But I'm talking about under the circumstances that I did, I believe that their sentences were absolutely abhorrent, and it just shows the desperate need for somebody to step up and help to reform the Justice Department. Let's get to the rest of Billy's questions here.

next one. Is Trump an asser a tits guy? Good question. Have you seen him weightlift and how approximately how much? And then were you part of some sort of secretly manipulative deep state? Yeah. So the answer is about two dozen others, but those are the best ones. Yeah. So the answer is Trump is he's a breast guy. and I never heard him really speak about someone having a great backside and all, but he was very quick to talk about the size of a woman's chest. So I hope that answers, you know, your friends, your friends very relevant question here. Then the other one was, have I ever seen Donald Trump work out?

Donald Trump doesn't work out. He actually has a very weird belief. system when it comes to it, that each and every person born has what he always would refer to as life energy. And by going to the gym, you use up that life energy. And so he decided that there's no reason for him to ever go to a gym. And I never saw him ever lift a single weight. Do I think that he could bench 50 pounds? I do not. You know, he plays golf. That's about the extent of his athleticism. Yeah, that was going to be my next question.

It's like, doesn't golf, that expends some of that life energy too, right? Well, that's if, again, if you're walking, you know, the course as opposed to having a golf cart that has no governor on it so that it moves faster than everybody else's you can get to the ball quicker and put it into a better lie. You're 100% correct. Yeah. And as far as being, look, as far as being part of a cabal, that's just a silly question. And I'm not part of any cabal.

I think the whole, you know, conspiracy theory about, you know, space lasers and the Democrats being part of a satanic cabal that, you know, puts children into prostitution or, you know, eats their heart and their brain in order for longevity. it's just it's stupid it's part of that Q and on theory that conspiracy theory and said to imagine that there are people in our government members of Congress that actually are part of this Q and on group and our country's in trouble um good questions though by Billy I'm glad that he he will find those answers some of them were good questions Back to the golfing thing, though, because we have, I've spoken with Rick Riley who famously wrote a book about Trump and how he cheats at golf. But some of the ways that he cheats and just some of the stuff that he does on the golf course, it's, it's like, it's pretty funny to me how he

just, like, he makes people compliment him on his golf game. There was that one, didn't he hit, we discovered he had a hole in one, uh, on the very first round and like the first par, par three of his new course. It was something like that. Yeah. How good is he at golf? Is he really like, he's as good as he says he is? No. So he's a good golfer. He has one of the ugliest swings you could possibly imagine, but his ball does fly for the most part straight. I can't tell you the number of times that I've had people who just come off the course playing with him sit and criticize his score, claiming that That's just not his score.

My scorecard and his scorecard do not match up. One of the ways that he does that is, let's say he's 16, 17 feet from the pin. He'll pick up the ball and give himself a mulligan onto it. You know, that's okay if you're horsing around with friends and your three quarters tanked, you know, from alcohol. But of course, as we all know, he does not drink and he doesn't get tanked. And it should not take place even when you are in the middle of a tournament that would be at his own golf course. It's amazing the number of championship trophies that he has in his own course, right, for stuff just like that. And as far as hitting a, you know, a hole in one, I think you also have to look to see the person who may be verifying that.

And it's usually somebody like his caddy that works for him or one of the people that wants to continue to play golf with him and then just says, who gives a shit? If that's what he wants to say, you know, if that's what he wants to lie about, knock yourself out. Because again, it doesn't, it's not relevant, right? Let him turn around and tell the world that he should be in the Guinness Book of World's record to having the most number of holes in one, unverified holes in one, but nevertheless, whole than ones. Yeah. Along those lines, man, I asked him a question because you being around him, like, one of the things that kind of struck me about him and kind of just doing research on him was in his book, The Art of the Deal, he has this quote where he basically kind of admits

that a lot of what he does is fabricate shit. Like he calls it an exaggeration, an innocent form of exaggeration because people need to believe in something, which on his face, I think is it actually a true statement. But so in your dealings with him, like, have you seen, is that like what kind of he permeates throughout his businesses is kind of even though, even if it's going bad, say it's going good. And that'll kind of, that seems like it's on brand for him in everything he has ever put his hands on. Yeah.

So look, everything about Donald Trump, he is the PT Barnum of. the, you know, of our generation, this is a guy who will tell you that his hot dogs are the best hot dogs ever, his mattresses, his tides, his suits, his alcohol, the meaning vodka, his wine, his, you know, everything that he does, everything he touches, including his bill, everything is better than anybody else's. And that's just what he would refer to as puffing. It's sensationalizing the brand. in order to build up, you know, interest and desire to acquire. Now, you do have to remember that the art of the deal was not authored by Donald.

Now, he, of course, played a role into it, but it was authored by Tony Schwartz, the guy who I had on my podcast on Mayacolpa. And we talked about it. It's a great episode if somebody wanted to hear it. But Tony Schwartz will tell you the number of fights that they would have because Tony didn't wanted to put certain things in that Donald wanted to put in, but Donald was adamant about it and they don't have a great relationship despite the success of the book. For Trump, it's always about marketing. He marketed, you know, basically his entire life, his private life, his business

life, and he marketed his ass all the way into the White House. So somewhere along the line, in that respect you got to give the guy some kudos he cheated his way all the way he cheated his way the way he does on the golf course all the way into the white house can you talk a little bit about like what the relationship was with the clinton family because when he started to run against hillary he it was like he flipped a switch and immediately he tapped into you know he went full on attack mode and he was very effective at attacking her so much so to the point that we unexpectedly won but it seems to me like the Clintons had a good relationship with him, at least for a certain amount of years leading up to when they became political foes. Is that fair to say? Like, were they

on good terms when you first began working for him? So the answer is no. Each side was using the other for whatever advantage that they can get. Obviously, the Clintons were interested in having Donald, we'll call him as a supporter, as a financial. supporter was Bill or Hillary Clinton, were they friends that they would go for dinners or that they would vacation together or speak on any regular basis at all, even if that meant once a year? The answer to that was no. Interestingly enough, who were friends was Chelsea and Ivanka, along with Jared and Chelsea's husband. I forget his name, but they were friendlier where Ivanka would have them over to the

building for, you know, for dinner. There was no real love between Donald and Hillary or, you know, Donald and Bill. It was all part of the game. It was all politics. And when Trump realized that she is what is between. him in the front doors of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, it was full-on attack mode. You know, they knew that they were going to be bringing people to, for example, the debate at Hofstra University that would embarrass Trump.

So what did Trump decide to do? He was going to bring in people, you know, that would embarrass the Clintons. It was a tit for tat. but Donald really knows how to fall deep into the dumpster, right, of life and to be that bully in a playground whereby he attacks and says things that nobody, nobody, even folks like, you know, Ted Cruz or Matt Gates or, you know, Josh Hawley or Marjorie Taylor Green or any of these lunatics. They even wouldn't say this crazy stuff. And he really knows how to go into the dumpster and to fight as dirty as anybody has ever done before. And so in the years that you've been separated from him, it seems like, I don't even know if I can say this guy is like stepping into your position, but he seems to be the latest attempt at being a fixer is Rudy Giuliani.

How would you rate the job that Rudy's done as Trump's guy? I give him a D-minus. I can't say that it would be an F simply because he hasn't been indicted and incarcerated yet, but Rudy is in some serious, serious trouble. First of all, the fact that he made the mistake of the four seasons and had them in the four seasons landscaping parking lot with what looked like crap dripping down the side of his head. An all-time moment. The four seasons parking lot, I think, brought us together as Americans

to just laugh and be like, what the hell is going on? Yeah, it's sad because that should have been something that, you know, David Chappelle came up with as a skit first. It's just that funny. Then you also have the ongoing continuous lies, promoting the lies that Donald wanted him to promote. Now, the interesting thing, you may recall. call Rudy Giuliani, because I forget which one asked me the question about whether or not I had a file on Donald. Rudy Giuliani claimed that he did, that he had insurance in the event that things go south. Well, things have gone south. They raided his home as well. They took electronics. They have a lot of information on him. And yet, he seems to be falling deeper and

deeper into problems, and you don't see Trump standing up for him anymore. In fact, you don't see them together at all. Now, Rudy is a media. He's just, he thinks he wanted to be this media magnet. He was enjoying every single day being on television and having people calling him for newspaper responses and whatnot. The biggest problem for Rudy is he's not the same guy that he was years earlier when he was mayor of New York. He's basically become a caricature of himself.

He's really a pathetic individual who waddles down the street. I've seen him a few times on Madison Avenue looking like the penguin, you know, from a Batman cartoon. Just going down. I mean, look, we bumped into each other at this restaurant here in the city called Fresco. and he's so despised here in New York. He really needs to kind of do what the entire Trump family did and then to relocate to where somebody actually wants him in the same restaurant. And then maybe he won't be getting assaulted there in grocery stores like the...

Oh, my God, the assault. As a lawyer, is that assault? Like if you touch somebody and they're not expecting. He says that he felt like he got shot. And I don't know. Maybe this person had heavy hands. I'm not sure. Could that person get convicted of assault?

Look, I have to agree with what Mayor Adams stated, which is the one who actually committed a crime here is Rudy Giuliani by filing a false police report. You know, the guy who tapped them on the back, I want you to think about, as Mayor Adams said, what would have happened if that was. not recorded, chances are this guy could be incarcerated. And I guess, especially the way our Justice Department works, he might have actually been. Instead, here, Rudy files this false police report, and he should be held accountable. Some of these people, if not all of them, they too need to be held accountable for their dirty deeds, for their lies, for their, you know, for their illegalities. And if that means

Rudy Giuliani, if that means Donald, Don, Eric, Ivanka, Jared, Laura, Kimberly Gargoyle, it makes no difference to me. Everybody should be held accountable because justice is supposed to be blind and it's supposed to be equal to all of us. Unfortunately, what do we know?

It's not. Big T, you have any more questions for him? No, unless you want one more from Billy's list. Let's do one more Let's do it Let's do it Let me see

He asked about Michael Avinati Who you mentioned earlier You kind of already answered that one What drove your decision To testify against Trump How many NDAs have you drafted Does Trump's hairdresser Require an NDA?

Oh, that's a good one And then his His tour to force Is has Trump banged more women than Aryan. Arian on the show claims to have slept with a four-digit number of women somewhere thereabouts. Okay.

Which one do you want to tackle first? Again, you can answer any or all. Why don't you pick two? Let's go with a hair question. Okay, so everybody would sign NDAs. I don't believe that his hairdresser signed an NDA. NDAs were basically for people that worked at the company. I never signed an NDA.

It was given to me, but I elected not to sign it, and nobody ever followed through and asked me for it. You know, housekeepers that worked upstairs in his private residence were required to sign NDAs. As far as NDAs for Donald, similar to like these stormy dance. Daniel's one, that's the one and only. All right, so nothing on the hairdresser there. What else do we have there, Big Tee? What was another good? I got, I had a last question.

In light of all of like the Epstein saga and all of that media frenzy, do you have any insight as to their relationship or any kind of insight on Epstein in general? So I never met Jeffrey Epstein. I mean, I think he was probably in a restaurant when I was there years and years ago, but I've never met him. I've never spoken to him. I am unfamiliar with the, you know, close relationship that, you know, people talk about between Trump and Jeffrey Epstein. Donald, let me be clear about this. Donald doesn't have friends.

He does not. And I'm not saying it to be a prick. I'm giving you the, as we would say in Jewish, the emist, the absolute truth. The man has no friends. If you ran for president, could you imagine the number of people from your past that would come out and say, yeah, you know, I've been friends with, you know, with Big Tea since, you know, I was five years old, nine years old, from high school, from college. You don't have that with Donald.

And I, you know, the only time people came out were to say, things like he was the worst student in the class. You know, there's nobody that has come to, including old girlfriends. You don't hear anybody that said, oh, yeah, I dated. Donald took me to the prom. I haven't seen those either, and I've actually never met them. So do I think that he and Jeffrey Epstein were friends? And, you know, there are photos of Trump and Melania and Epstein and Gislane.

Does that mean that they knew each other? Absolutely. they knew each other. What's the extent of the relationship? I do not know. And as far as, unfortunately, you know, the demise, you know, some people would say, well, he got what he was coming, you know, as it relates to the demise of Jeffrey Epstein and all of these once again conspiracy theories about, you know, it was an orchestrated assassination inside the facilities. I don't believe so. I believe. that he did take his own life because, you know, rest assured, not only did I think about it every single day while I was incarcerated and away from my wife and my children, my family, my friends, you sink to pretty low, low, low places. Now here, add on to that, you had a guy who was incredibly successful, you know, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars he had a charmed life by all financial standards and now he's looking at two things

one spending the rest of his life in a pretty rough prison but worse than that because children were involved the trafficking of children these are considered even in the hierarchy of prison, they're the lowest of low, you know, they're referred to as homos, right, child molesters, and they get the shit kicked out of them by everyone, from, you know, the guy who committed the lowest level offense to the guy who murdered, God knows how many people. So I could understand where you would not want to live another day under those circumstances. All right. Anything else, Big Ten, anything else? Should we wrap up here?

All right, check out his new book. Michael Cohen's new book coming out. It's going to be out at the end of August, beginning of September. The Department of Injustice, listen to Me, Kulpa. Oh, I have one last, last question. Have you ever been? This is like a bad, this is like a bad Jewish bar mitzvah. You can't get the hell out of you.

All right. Have you ever been to Prague? I've never been to Prague. In fact, again, this is also covered in the book. At the time that I was allegedly in Prague, I was in Los Angeles. And how did you know what the FBI went in order to verify? I went with my son who was looking to, he's a big lefty pitcher, who was looking to play baseball at USC for the Trojans.

And we had a meeting with the entire crew. Now, they said, well, what happened? Maybe you left the next day. The next day I was over at the studio of TMZ with RV-Eleven just to check out their new dig. So all of this was verified. I had never been to Prague. I've never been to the Czech Republic. I've never been to Germany, which is where now some conspiracies say I came through.

Even if you come through Germany, you've got to have a passport. Then I have other fools like this Louise Mensch that would turn around and say, because I'm a Jew, that I must have an Israeli passport as well. I've never been to Israel. I have one passport. It was a U.S. passport, and I gave them copies of the passport, including every single stamp. So I'm not sure, you know, where this came from other than the ridiculous steel dossier, this jerk off and a half, MI6 fool that thank God that, you know, England has the United States for assistance if this is what their MI6 is all about. But I have never been to prize. I never went there with cash to pay off Russians compromise and to hack the DNC in Hillary's computer. My family is not in real estate in Russia, in Moscow. I don't own a dacha in Sochi, directly next door to Putin. I mean, these are all fantastical allegations by a guy who still to this day refuses to acknowledge that everything he said about me is wrong. despite the fact that our law enforcement from the molar team all way to the FBI and everyone in

between all acknowledge it's just not true so the piss tape is not true is what you're getting at so you may remember from the house oversight committee they asked me that question many times during the year I would get phone calls from individuals claiming that they've either seen parts of the tape or that they have control over the tape and I was okay great if in fact you have it, how much do you want? And one guy spouted out, I want $10 million. I said, okay, I probably have asked for more, but no problem. Why don't you send me 15 seconds, send me 10 seconds of a clip so I can verify that you actually have something.

Send me all your wiring information, and I'm more than happy to pay it. Because if that tape exists, I want to own it. All right? Yeah. of course, never got any information, never saw any clips or anything like that. On top of that, one of the parts that makes the assertion so ridiculous, just imagine you're a housekeeper at the hotel in Moscow. And Trump leaves, everybody disappeared, right?

They're all up in the air in his plane, heading back to the United States. and you stumble onto a urine-soaked bed. You think that that's not going to get around the hotel. You think that they wouldn't beg that, especially being it's Russia and turn and say Trump pisses on himself. It just didn't happen, right? On top of that, since they claim it happened at like 11, 12 o'clock at night when they brought in these prostitutes to urinate on the bed,

And again, now they have to make it. It's against Barack Obama because Obama and Michelle Obama slept in that bed, that all of a sudden this is now real and that this is factual and it's accurate and it's not. And as I said to the member of Congress that asked me the question, if that tape existed, I would have owned it. And I'm telling you it doesn't exist. Okay. The point I was trying to make is could you possibly imagine, right?

So they come in that this wouldn't have been filmed or somebody would have had something more than just a statement. And where did Donald Trump sleep that night on the floor, on a pull-out couch, right? I mean, knowing his sleep is obviously very important to him, where did he sleep that night? Did they get him another room? None of that information was out there. None of it is legit. And so, you know, when you have people like Tom Arnold and others that want to promote this, again, this story for what? Because they were doing their own thing to make money off of it.

That's the whole problem here. And until we get this stuff under control, Trump should be held accountable for his dirty deeds. And we don't need, you know, things like a peatap in order to think less of that. the guy, or for that to be the reason that, you know, he ends up going to prison. And I've said this on television. I want to end with it. I don't want to see Donald Trump go to prison simply because I despise him or I disagree fundamentally with almost everything that comes out of his mouth. I want him to be held accountable to show the rest of the country that everybody is accountable. Or as the Democrats, as we like to say, no one is above

the law until we start to do that and hold me accountable for the things we know he's done. For example, witness tampering, obstruction of justice, the attacks on people, myself included via his social media in order to prevent you from testifying or to guide your testimony. That's a crime in and of itself. His taxes, why Alvin Breg dropped that case when Mark Pomerant's, one of the best lawyers in America in this area and Carrie Dunn, General Count. to the district attorney's office, they both turn around and we have more than enough. What Cohen gave us, thousands of documents, what he gave to us is more than enough to show

tax evasion, misrepresentation, fraud, bank fraud, wire fraud, all of it. Why Alvin Bragg walked away to this day, I still don't know. And it's a shame because let's just call that the low-hanging fruit. You don't need to get them on everything, like the way they handled Al Capone. Couldn't get him for murder, racketeering, extortion. So they got him on tax evasion. At the end of the day, the orange-crusted Mandarin Mussolini would be behind bars with his flip-flat flop, as I like to call it, blowing in the wind. And that would be enough for me and for many others.

Yeah. I actually think the piss tape, if it was real, it probably makes some people like them more. So the other stuff might be what you're looking for. Well, thank you for joining us again. Check out the podcast, Mie Coppa and the book coming out, Department of Injustice. you Michael Cohen for joining us on macrodosing and I'm sure we'll be in touch in the future. Well, I look forward to getting together and I look forward to being back. All right. Take care, man.

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