Macrodosing: Arian Foster and PFT Commenter - Epstein ft. TrueAnon

Episode Date: December 14, 2021

On today's episode, we are joined by Liz Franczak and Brace Belden of the TrueAnon Podcast to talk about the life of Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell. Liz and Brace have been at the Maxwell trial since it began, so buckle up for the most up to date, factual information on the sex trafficking case that has caught the world by storm. Also, before the interview, hear the crews take on Nancy Reagan and the memes surrounding the former First Lady. All of this and more on today's show. Macrodosing is presented by DatChat.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/macrodosing

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And I think the great part about macrodosing, my opinion is that you can send all the drunk texts that you want and then you can self-destruct all of them and pretend like it never happened anyways there's a bunch of stuff you can use dat chat for we love using it here they are the presenting sponsor of macrodosing download it right now datchat dot com slash barstool datchat dot com slash barstool or you can download it for ipone and android in the app stores right now i'm gonna just chop it keep get keep note taking you're taking No, I just really want this to be You're doing like minutes of today's show

No, I'm doing prep Billy wants to out fact the experts you've brought in No, I'm writing questions About to get just dragged by facts No, I'm asking questions I'm writing questions He's just asking questions Look, imagine I'm just someone who reads

Wikipedia articles and these are my questions Yeah, hypothetically Yeah, imagine that Imagine like just pretend that I'm a guy That reads a lot of Wikipedia And then reads also replies to bigger threads on Twitter. Yeah, Billy's been method acting this whole time.

Billy is our reply guy. I need to quit the internet. It's so bad for my brain. We do have a special guest in the studio right now, actually. So we have Francis. Francis is in here. He's doing a courtroom sketch of today's podcast, which is appropriate for the Jelaine Maxwell trial.

Since they don't have cameras in that courtroom, we've only been able to see Jolaine's thick ass via what is it charcoal is it charcoal drawing yeah believe so she's caked up i she might be kicked up this see these are the questions that we need to ask brace and liz because they've actually been in the courtroom this whole time um so they can give us the lowdown on her lowdown if you know what i'm saying yo my bugging does coli have like a month's worth of must-ass growth since the last i'm gonna once it once it goes over the lip i look like a different person like It hangs there and then I'm waiting to cut everything next week.

I'm in no man's land. If I do it now, I'll be rough looking at Christmas. Like, I'm already not working with a great palate here. So I got to do everything. I'm on the world's time. I'm not on my own time. I would have already trimmed this. But if I do it now, then Christmas is fucked.

What do you use, Coley? Because I find myself, well, I mean, my facial hair is in a completely different league from yours. You actually have like a man's face as opposed to like a 12 year olds over here. But I find that there's like an in-between phase that I get into where if I clip it, it's too short and then it looks like there's nothing there. And then I have to wait like a week for it to get the appropriate length. What do you trim it back to? Yeah.

I mean, I've been doing a lot of trial and error over the years. Like I usually end up going too short. I just switched attachments on. the trimmer I have and got it right for the first time. So I go the longest guard. I think it's like a 12. And that's what got it right. Every other time I've done like a seven and it just makes it too short and I end up looking like Paul Pierce.

Like it's just some over here, some over here, nothing in the middle. But for trimming up here, I go raw blade and just reverse it and just like line it up. I think of Carmelo Anthony on The Knicks That time he looked like a revolutionary Like Che Guevara That's the moustache in my mind I'm always gunning for when I'm trimming it You go with a 12

For this, yeah I didn't even know that 12 existed That's like a that's like a farm tractor How long is a 12? I'm trying It's in the, do I'm going to run and get it? It's not that. No, I'm just saying,

never seen a 12. I've only seen like fours and fives. Billy, do you shave? Yeah. How often do you shave? Probably once every three days. Okay. Just when it starts to look bad. Oh, that's right. Yeah. You had the mustache coming in for a little bit. Yeah. That was pretty cool. What about you, Big T? Um, I, I shave as soon as I can tell that there's facial hair growing. Yeah. Because the, the hair that grows on my face isn't facial hair. It's like the same hair that grows on my head. It looks bad. Well, that's not true. You had, you were growing a beard a little bit. Yeah, it doesn't look good, though. And it's different colors, too. Sometimes it's brown. Sometimes it gets like a hint of Auburn in there. Like, it just doesn't, it doesn't look right. Not burnt orange. Auburn? Burnt orange is Texas. Yeah. I was no facial hair for the longest time. And then I finally grew facial hair. And then I shaved and saw what I look like without facial hair. And I haven't gone back. Yeah, it's shocking. It's shocking. You're like, I don't want to look like that anymore. You're like, that guy in the mirror sucks. Yeah. I don't want to hang out with him.

No. We also got a shout-out, Francis. He's technically the first ever Macrodosian. He designed the logo. Let's go. All right, Francis. He knew about the podcast before everybody, basically. Yeah, before I even knew.

Yeah. That's well before Billy knew. Like probably a month and a half. I still think Billy might not know about this podcast. So big news coming out of this weekend. Hinden Hooker returning to the, University of Tennessee. We're supposed to get that exclusive.

Yeah, that's true. That's true. I'm a little disappointed that we did not get that exclusive. Aaron is just more disappointed that he didn't go to the league. But I think that we actually have ourselves to blame for this, Aaron. I think that you probably have a lot to deal to do with it. Because he doesn't know, because he knows that he can just go back to school and get a bag from you every month. He's like, I don't need to go to the NFL.

I got Aaron Foster giving me name image likeness money left and right. I help the nigga with some groceries here and there. You know what I'm saying? I ain't giving this nigga no bag, though. Yeah, he's going back to school. I know that I know Big T's pretty happy about that. I am. We're going to be preseason top 25 next year.

Spins on. He might make some more money, though. If he crushes it this year or this next year, he comes back. He could elevate his stock. He gets in the second or first round. He could have a Kenny Pickett type season next year. It's like, it's just winning. When cats come back, the odds of them increasing their stock just lowers.

It's just not, it's just hard to do. I think it's different. Like a running back, a running back should go out the second you can. You should never carry the ball for free anymore than you have to. But a guy like him where like he was an average quarterback of Virginia Tech comes to UT and does really well, he can have, if he has another year like that, I think he will be drafted higher than he would have been this year. Well, that's what I'm saying, though. Like, let's say, you know, there's just so many things can go wrong, you know, injury side, right?

Where the team don't jail, whatever the case may be, he plays bad, gets in a funk, whatever case maybe. Now your stock is nowhere. I mean, now you're not getting drafted. You know what I mean? Like, it's just the risk versus reward where getting your fight, especially as a quarterback, right? Getting your foot in the league as a quarterback, that's like the best shit you can do because backup quarterback jobs are the best, might be the best work you can have in the world. like you just fucking chill and so i you know if you talented enough to to to grab one of them spots man i mean go get it like there's no point in going for a citrus bowl my name like who is the

best backup quarterback you ever played with uh that eventually became a starter no just like best backup like never a starter um it's gonna be higher with the texans i feel like everyone got well no the problem with the texas is so many of the backups just became i've started yeah what's so well i mean matt shop was mike vicks backup actually um so i don't you probably won't count that because he was you know i think he made a pro bowl then came back to the falcons and was matt ryan's back up again yeah and the people of houston showed up to his front door with pitchforks and torches when he had that was wild it was like that was some they was like some weird old shit um

and we were actually he had a best season we were talking to uh joe harrington the other day for part of my take and he was they brought him in to atlanta to be mike vix backup when bobby petrino got that job and so it was right after match job left so joey harrington he's trying to revitalize his career and he's like this is the perfect landing spot i could i could just chill in atlanta i'm in no danger of taking over the starting position i'm just going to hang out for a few years, just be a backup and then start my backup career like that, maybe stick around the league for another like nine, ten years, just cashing a paycheck. So he goes there with Bobby Petrino and then like two months into his tenure there, Mike Fick gets arrested.

And all of a sudden Bobby Petrino is like, wait, now I'm going to run my offense with Joey Harrington and not Mike Vick. This isn't going to work. And so the whole thing went like absolutely sideways. Sure did not. Yeah. But if you, if you can get a good backup job in the NFL, that That's a sweet gig. I mean, Brian Hoyer's been another Texan starter. Brian Hoyer, just because Bill Belichick likes the cut of his job, I don't really know, but he's been in the league for some time now. Brian, where is a Cleveland guy?

He is a Cleveland guy, yeah. He is a Cleveland guy, I guess. You know who was a good backup? He got hurt. The year, we might have went deeper into the blast if he don't get hurt. Well, first shot got hurt, but then Matt Lyon came in, and he was playing good ball. But he had got hurt. I think he broke his collarbone on his throwing.

a throw-in-arm and that kind of derailed his career. But he was solid. He was solid. Yeah. He also had like the best college experience ever. Oh, there's no question. That was probably some of the that's like that Miami run. Same, same kind of

film. It's just they were I mean, shit, Reggie Bush came out with a Kardashian. That's fire. B. Kardashian. Not A kid. B. Yeah, you're right. You're right. D. Kardashian. Yeah, a lawyer. Although you can make the argument that Rob Kardashian is D. Cardiff. I mean, not robbed.

Who's their dad? The lawyer. Yeah. Yeah, Robert. Black China? Rob C. That's what. His name is Black China?

No, that's somebody else that was involved with a group. I don't keep it up like that. I just know she was O.J.'s lawyer's dad. Yeah. Yeah. There was also, there was some news that came out this weekend, more of an anniversary. I think it was a 10-year anniversary of Aryan buying everybody on the Texans, the Letterman jackets, the varsity jackets, and putting those on to go up to New England

where you summarily got your asses kicked. What is this cap? I ain't by nobody, nothing. I heard you were like, guys, we need to do some team building experience. I know what we'll do. Let's go back to when we were playing in high school football, when we really cared about the game, when we're all having fun. Let's do it. Friday night lights. So the story goes, it was Sean Cody or Connor Barwin's idea one of those two I was always an advocate of not wearing suits before games

I thought it was the dumbest shit in the world and still think it's stupid but they were like yo let's just try something different and they were like Connor Barwin is probably one of the coolest cats I've ever met in my life he's just a cool dude good human being

but he was just like eccentric he had a really big person out him and Sean Cody was like that And so they came up with the idea. I like the idea. And it was fly. The shit was fly. If we win, it's legendary.

You know, we just, we just lost in a very bad fashion. Yeah. I forget, I forgot the score, so I looked it up. The 40-something. The ESPN article just goes, this is like the six-year anniversary. Everyone knows the six-year anniversary. It's been six years since the Houston Texans. Then 11 and 1 wore their infamous matching Letterman jackets to play the New England Patriots.

Texans lost 42 to 14 and haven't won a game in New England since. See, that's what's messed up about this is, like, I thought that it would be, if you had asked me this morning, what game was that? Was that a regular season game? I would have said, no, that's like the AFC championship game that you guys went to the varsity Letterman jacket well on. Nope, turns out it was just like a week 13 game. Yeah. that was the personality that team though

we just we just like to have fun I mean we went 12 and 40 yeah like we wasn't we wasn't sorry you know what I mean went to division around yeah it's like my dick

yeah and also it's kind of messed up that ESPN is like it's a sixth anniversary I would have thought they would you know that's more like a 10 year anniversary

who does that who does that who keeps track of a six year anything that's that's this was I already exited out, but it looked like it was like a preview

for another Patriots, Texans game. Oh, they played this here? No, this was five, four years ago from now, the first thing that pops up. Okay, okay. And there's just a picture of Connor Barwin, grinning ear to ear, posing like it's school picture day.

Hey, I was fly shit. I wore my blue chucks with the white laces. I had a nice little, it was, I was clean. I mean, we lost, but I was clean. Fuck that. Did you guys wear them on the plane back? Yeah, nobody thought anything other letterman jackets except for people outside. You know what I'm saying?

Like, nobody cared. Like, nobody was like, dude, we lost because the letterman jacket. Like, silly as fuck. We lost because we got to ask for it. But did you wear them the next week? No, I know we never wore them again. But the coolest shit about it is that is my only letterman jacket. I didn't have one in high school and I didn't have one in college.

So that was my only letterman jacket. And then you remember they came dressed as like a SWAT team? back in December of 2019 who did that was a great one the Texans I was JJ the Texans came dressed as like a foot they actually look like that dude up in Detroit that does the urban combat we should get him on the show have you seen that guy we absolutely should yes is the funniest thing the urban defense guy it's like if somebody pulls a gun on you simply take your finger and stick it into the whole of the gun and then when they try to shoot it at your face, a bunch of gunpowder

will explode on their face. There has to be some kind of... Flip their head several times. Billy, there has to be... Maybe you came across it. There has to be some kind of like list of stupid shit we've made famous. Like stupid people or...

I'm not calling that guy stupid, but that's a dumb-ass reason to be famous for him. But he's going to have a career off this shit now. That's the funny part. On this show or just in general on the internet? In general, bro. We have not made anybody famous on the show. But, uh, yeah,

That guy's actually started to lean into it. And I think he was at the Pistons game. That's what I'm saying. He's going to be a celebrity. That's what America's best for is making stupid shit famous. He's now collabing with other TikTokers and stuff. He's so funny. He is like,

he is the salt bay of martial arts. He's a salt bay. That's what he is. Assault. That's what we should call. Cole is shaking his head like I retire from this podcast. That's a kind of a, that's a crappy game. Watching you piece that puzzle together with something to

call. He's the fucking man though, isn't he? Like that one, that one clip where there's five guys attacking him. He's like, watch how simple it is to escape from five individual assailants. And he just starts like shuffling sideways around the room. Like he's a border collie. He's a shepherd dog. Yeah. Yeah. He's like hurting the sheep that are trying to attack him. I mean, he makes, he makes Stephen Seagall's videos look like some serious hardcore combat shit. You know, the ones where people just sprint. Steven Segal and he touches them and they do a flip how how has no one and I'm not saying I want this to happen I want that very clear how is no one actually caught him in the streets

and like he's in Detroit that I feel like this could happen like how is no one made him prove this these theories in real life yet yeah no there's got to be like I hope it don't come to that I think because like I said I don't want Aaron I made it very clear I do not want that to happen Coli's calling for violence. I think it's because they like him so much because the tactics he's showing is exactly how not to do it. So he's helping them.

That's a good point, Avery. He works for it. He's actually working for them. This is all the ways not to. Yo, not to totally pivot. But the biggest story over the weekendish was Nancy Reagan. Broke goat.

She came out as the throat goat. Oh, my God. That should have me rolling. Hang on. What? Yeah. Oh, Big T. Great. What?

All right. Talk about a trickle-down. I can't. Let me set the stage. Let me set the stage. I thought Deep throw was in the Nixon administration. So, so, Oaks. So Abby Shapiro,

Abby Shapiro is Ben Shapiro's sister. For people that don't know who Ben Shapiro is, you lucky motherfucker. But he's a right-wing political pundit who is hilarious in all course. but he has a sister named Abby Shapiro who has a music video that's fucking hilarious also this all came to me in one day anyway she puts out a tweet about Madonna at 64 63 and it's her being extremely provocative in a picture or whatever the case may be she got a she got a nipple out and all that is in very revealing clothing and then in juxtaposition with a picture of Nancy Reagan standing with her nice family, right?

And Abby Shapiro says, would you rather be trashy or classy? And boy, did she not think that one through? Because people pulled receipts and Nancy Reagan's past, and I will preface this with, I am all for women exploring their sexuality and being promiscuous, but it didn't make the point that she thought it was because Nancy Reagan apparently was known for going down on dudes

a lot in Hollywood. and and she's she was she was very promiscuous um not only that she was very saddened about the AIDS epidemic um there's a whole bunch of litany of things that she did politically that was abhorrent but like Madonna was like outspoken during that time and and banging for people to get um the awareness raised and which was a a controversial take to have at a time right which is really bold and so it she just said got roasted because it was one of the most, that was she was

She was the blowjob queen of California. We actually, we talked about that on this show. We brought that up. Yeah, that was like a couple months ago, I think, right? I googled. This should not be news to you, big team. I vaguely recall that now. I googled Nancy Reagan and this publication sucks,

so I won't say what it is, but the headline's hysterical. Why are people tweeting that Nancy Reagan was the quote, throat goat? And then the deck under it says, rumors about former first lady Nancy Reagan having the best blowjob game in Hollywood's MGM black lot every surface yeah so it was from it was from a biography of nancy regan that came out a while ago and uh yeah she i think that's how she got introduced to ronald regan i think he was he was feeling a little blue and uh they hit up nancy and she was

feeling a little blue too here's a tweet my nancy game's so good you want regan consciousness Well, that's a hell of a pun right there. I think we said on PMT yesterday, what was it, Tyrancy, Reagan, Matthew had a nose all the way down to the ball again, something like that. What I love about Twitter is it's truly like you're just holding your phone and you have this door on your phone to a world and you open it and you never know what's going to be on. the other side of that door and i think it was friday i can't remember it was friday or saturday but i opened it and sometimes it sucks being 10 minutes late to something that's already been happening this time i disagree i think it was great to come in and see what it already transpired and be right in the thick of it you don't have to be waiting

around so they get sometimes people are tiptoeing around they don't want to get it too crazy but now people people saw this and they were like oh man what a what a weekend this is going to be Joey Langone had the best tweet. It was like, Daniel Jones needs to see a, has to see a neck therapist this week. And then it was just him with Nancy Reagan. Neck specialist, yeah. Next specialist, yeah. I mean, this one that just got dropped in the group chat is pretty good, too.

Nancy Reagan on the MGM lot, 1949 colorize. And it's, it's Elaine from Seinfeld doing the thing where she thinks she's having a seizure. And all that shit's coming out of her mouth. Yeah, I saw a vile one of Angelica from Rugrats, I think. one time they'd spilled a bunch of cookies. You saw that one? Yeah, she's like, I don't care. And then she comes up and she's like, ugh. I mean, I think that's, I think that's a good thing. I think that if you're the president of the United States, I think it's, it's probably helpful for your self-esteem, for your general mood if your wife

gives the best blow job in the country. And I'm not being sexist. I think that also if it's a female president, if you've got the ultimate clam gobbler as the first dude, that's probably probably a good thing, too, right? Clinton would have had such a smoother ride if, if, if, uh, Hillary was the, the goat. Nancy just sort of stayed on as queen. And so it's just like whoever's present, she's going to work with you. She's going to be your assistant. This is our, that's, it's a government funded expenditure.

Yeah, like consensually, obviously, you know, provide that she wanted to stick around, saying like she enjoyed it. The old moorapus. It's so, it's a while because, like, like Nancy Reagan has, you know, a whole, you know, surviving family members and they woke up one day on Twitter. It's like, yo, my mom was wild and my grandma was wild and, and they, for no reason.

Like, all because someone else brought her up. Like, oh, that fucking classically Abby had to run her trap. Oh, man. Hey, Big T. You got to look at her music video, though. Abby Shapiro. Abby Shapiro is a music video. And it's like, you got a little bit of bread.

Bray, that shit was filmed. It was like a flip phone camera. That shit, wow. That shit's just production bad. Everything's pretty bad, though. And she could say, she could hold a note, but she'd be flat on some of the notes. It's a pretty, it's a pretty bad song. I see, I see.

Fire up. I see the story goes on and Carmen Habanera. which one is it what she's got two songs he's saying this is from like two weeks ago I don't know I didn't dig into her catalog I just somebody somebody tagged me in and sent it to me

she she was that there was a bunch of leaves I don't know okay this might be it I just want to say I want to say for the record that Madonna is beautiful gorgeous for how old is she 60 63 now she's got to be older than that she's older than that She's

No, no, that's not a balk, mad dog. I said she's gorgeous. Gorgeous can mean anything. I've called a mountain. I've called a mountain gorgeous before. 63, yeah. She's 63 years old? Yeah.

Why do I feel like she's been around for 60 years? She was one of the most famous people alive for a lot of her life. Emily, she got in it early then. Okay. She also reinvents herself a lot. So it feels like she's, you've seen so many. iterations of her. Yeah.

That, um, that, uh, that, uh, that woman's march speech was kind of cringed, though. I don't know if I, was that when she had the British accent? I don't know if she had a British accent. She was just saying a lot of, I don't remember verbatim, but she was saying a lot of wild shit. Sometimes she, like, she adopts a weird British accent. Maybe that was back in the 80s or 90s. So I don't know if she still did that. Oh, that was, I feel like she goes in and out.

All right, big T's watching classically, Abby. What does he, what does he think? I'm not overly impressed. You're impressed at all is what I'm interested in. No, I'm not. Isn't she like a classically trained opera singer? That's what she claims. A lot of, do you know what I notice about a lot of cats?

You could speak to this too, PFT. It's like a lot of like musically trained cats, like technically trained and went to school for that shit. I don't say a lot, but like a lot of the times I notice just in my experience with music is they have a hard time composing their own. shit like they can they can they have perfect pitch they can play shit like that's written but like when they try to write shit or they try to create shit they have some a lot of my experience is that they have trouble creating their own uh pieces have you notice that it's a different it's a different muscle the brains are trained into a cage so they can't be creative so yeah what happens is they they have they learn all the rules right and then they don't know they think too much about the rules

and not enough about just creating and making stuff that sounds good. And that makes sense. I make a lot of my music with my boy and he went to college. He majored in music, right? And I was taking piano lessons a while back and I was like, why don't you brush up on your theory, man?

I feel like you can polish it up. He's like, oh, hell no. I was like, why not? He's like, I don't want to know anymore. I know what I need to know. Like, I want to be able to create. Like, and that's exactly what we were saying. It's like, once you learn that shit,

you get locked into it. It makes a lot of sense. I feel like you lose part of the emotion of it too like a lot of like adele technically isn't like a perfect singer she she's things if i remember correctly with her throat and not with like her chest but no one's going to try and correct that shit because it's beautiful and it's wildly emotional like at the second even like the silk sonic album that came out i like the album but it's it's too perfect like it doesn't have like the well i'm saying like sonically like that don't you like in the 70s

or in the 60s, when the errors it's trying to emulate, like there was not this perfection to it. It was fucking everyone was too high on cocaine for perfection. And these guys were still on the cocaine, but they have too many tools at their disposal right now where they can like clean up stuff. And it's like, yeah, quantizing shit. Right. Yeah. A lot of those records were cut in one take, like live, just one one take. And that she was impressive. I mean, fucking September just trails off at the end because they clearly just kept playing for Earth and Wind Fire

just kept playing for another half hour probably and they're like, all right, if we're going to put this on the radio at a certain point, we need to end this. We got to stop. We got to stop playing a movie. I've always wondered about the trail offs because I feel like we're losing the trail offs.

You don't hear too many of these days. And it was like probably a good 50% of singles that would come out between 1970 and 1995 didn't have an ending to the song. The engineer just at some point was like, okay, we're going to start taking it down here. during your last guitar solo it was always like some 80s band like rat the guitar snuck into the

studio late at night after the song had already been recorded they're like i'm going to put another guitar solo on at the end okay let's fade this out that was a that was a thing that happened all the time you know what song i think even though it might not be the best song ever i don't think a song like it will ever be made again cashmere by led zeppelin just like no one will ever be able to do something like that again. It's one of those ones that just goes on forever. Who are those kids? Greta Van Fleet will try.

They can't. Like, Greta Van Fleet almost sounds like cheap, like poppy compared to anything Led Zeppelin's ever put together. For sure. My joke was that they're doing an impression of Zeppelin. Yeah. Which isn't an original joke, but it's true. It's like Weird Al.

It sounds like a weird owl cover of Led Zeppelin. Yeah. Like that song is like a trip and a half. Mm-hmm. I don't know. They're good musicians. Actually, Greta Van Vleet versus Led Zeppelin is a perfect encapsulation, Aaron, of what you were talking about, which is people that learn music theory versus people that are songwriters. So like Greta Van Vleet, musically, probably as good as Led Zeppelin. I know that sounds weird being like Jimmy Page compared to some kid nowadays, but with all the different lessons that you can take, kids are getting way more advanced technically. At instruments, there's probably not a riff that Jimmy Page played on Led Zeppelin album that the guy in Greta Van Vleet could not play it right now if he just sat and practiced it and copied it. But it sounds completely, there's no soul to it. So you're missing all of what made

Led Zeppelin great. And also at the time, there was no band that sounded like Led Zeppelin. They were taking like British, British rock mixing it with like some dirty ass deep south blues. and that's something that like the excitement of them creating a new genre of music that totally like supersedes anything that just like a Led Zeppelin cover band

would be able to break to the table. I'm waiting for that's a great point I didn't want to just not acknowledge that's a good point man but I'm waiting for any time I'm waiting for like the next sound right because I feel like we've been on this trap drums

feel for a good 10 years now I'm I'm thinking it's time to pivot somewhere else like you know each era kind of has like its own identity and its own sound like this trap like this trap feel has has infiltrated all genres right

like yeah and it's I think it's time to move on man like maybe that's just me but I don't know if we will though because like like to your point songs are way shorter now And it's because the attention span of people is way shorter now. And so it doesn't even make any sense

physically, which is why I always argue art should be had nothing to do with money. That's my utopia though. But because it's so saturated, right? You're like you have artists making music to try to please an algorithm and shit. You know what I mean? That's fucking gross. And so it really waters down the quality.

So when you talk about bands in the 60s and 70s and that took years to put compositions of songs together, you know, just tweaking it, make sure that quality control sessions. Like, now it's like, how many songs can you put out? Spotify was talking about actually penalizing artists that don't put out music and a certain amount of time. And I'm like, what the fuck are we doing?

Like, that is the dumbest shit you can possibly be. Teller artists when to put something out. You're dumb as there. I think maybe the next wave is going to be artists that just write songs exclusively for, TikToks. So like 30 second long songs. No, seriously. So I was talking to an up and coming rapper. His name's Wayne Jetsky just about his career and all this stuff. And basically he knows he likes music. He wants to make good music, but he's like the only way I'm going to get noticed if I make these shorter streamable

songs that hopefully get put into a TikTok trend and that'll be the fastest way to come up. Like he he doesn't want to, but he has to like please the, uh, Wayne Jetsky is another, uh, uh, another employee at barstool sports and he's a good friend of mine but like he's trying to make good music but he says that in order to be relevant he has to try to make these shorter streamable songs well that the problem is he's not trying to make good music he's trying to be relevant which is going out it the wrong way but in order to end instead of the beginning right but in the beginning if you have one of these little like uh songs that get caught in the algorithm you're going to get relevancy and then you know like like old town road like old town road was an anomaly and if

anyone's trying to chase that they're not going to get it right but it's a good song oh that's a it's it's kind of it's a good song yeah that's part of the problem like these others like sad do you know sadda baby is no right he his biggest song was on ticto fucking the demilios were posting it it did not like he didn't latch on with you because that song went super viral like he's already still big with the audience that knows him, but it did not catch on with the white teens on TikTok because of his one song.

It's not, it has no staying power. I think we need to tap into Billy's brain and Billy, you need to invent the next genre of music. You don't have to play any answer. Just tell me like, what does it sound like to you? Me?

Yeah, what does it sound like? I don't know. It's something that just like gets you going. All right. So it's fast pace. probably heavy well it depends on a bpm i only listen to like so yeah i lose headphones a lot so i haven't been listening to a lot of music on the way to work so it's got to be really loud so the only time i listen to music is when i'm working out okay and just like yeah i'm honestly not the best person no i want to write i want to write a 30 second song just based off well i'm doing a

police sketch but for a song but like the thing is i watch a lot of ticot for work just like to, you know, see the trends, see what works. And, you know, that short stuff that's very catchy gives you the dopamine rush, the scientific aspect of what beats or what, you know, transitions cause your brain to like release chemicals and make you feel good. That's exactly what everyone's chasing. So that's how you'd have to do it. So you want some dopamine, something that you could work out to? High dopamine. What if you called it like, come get some? Would that be a cool name for it? Would that get you amped or is that too much? Eminem, when Eminem, so old Eminem, like, I mean, meaning like the new like berserk, for example, Eminem was trying to capture like till I collapse vibes and like that like let's go like let's go hard like let's go crazy in his new songs and it was almost too scripted to try to get that that. That it didn't really catch that old. You know, you guys, my music stuff. No, I really. I want to write a custom song for Billy.

It's embarrassing. Music is subjective. Like, your take on the music industry is your take on the music. You consume how you consume. Everybody just, it's not a bad take. It's just, but for example, how you say that everyone's sort of gotten that trap beat, like the new Morgan Wall and stuff kind of has that more hip-hoppy backtrack as opposed to some new country. Morgan.

Who? Morgan Wall and he's canceled. It's a whole big thing. But if you listen to his music. Never once canceled. He was. Yeah, I think he was. the number one streaming artist of last

year, right? I don't know. Separate the artist from the art. No, I'm just saying like that's not canceled. We can debate. Can't make it's still making the most money off of music. I'm not supporting what he did. No, no, nobody was, what did you? Chill out, nobody was saying that to her. Yeah, I'm out of the league. I have no idea.

Morgan Wallin was, he was intoxicated and he was screaming at somebody in his front yard calling them the inward. He's white. White guy. Yeah. Country artists. What's that? I was just playing Valerant, right? There's just dudes like dropping hella M-bombs. I'm like, what, what is it about that word that y'all want to say so bad?

Like, nobody ever, like, lobbies to say wetback. Like, nobody's like, why can I say wet back? You know what can I say? Like, it's just y'all loves saying nigger, bro. It's the weirdest shit in the world. You know, I know what it is. I know what it is. It's because we're fucking cool.

That's what it is. Black people are cool as shit. And we make everything look cool and the slur that y'all used to call us, Now it's determined with Deer Mitten. Now y'all won in. It's weird. It's true. I'd only say this on this show,

especially with PFT sitting there. But there is a good case. You guys appropriated that word from us. I almost left the call. It's the ultimate cookie jar of people know they're not supposed to reach into. People like doing it and seeing if they get fucking electrocute. It's so wild, though. It's just like such a.

We want to see it. You said. We should just do an experiment with the next generation, just make up a word and be like, hey, you guys aren't allowed to say Futon anymore. Futon is an awful word. It's hurtful. And just see, like, how many kids sneak around, like, sending videos to their friends on Snapchat and then be like, yo, futon. You know, like, because it's forbidden fruit. Forbidden fruit tastes the sweetest, man.

We should just tell the next generation kids, whatever you kids do, if I catch you doing math, I swear to God, you're out. in my house and just see like if kids like secretly get really into doing calculus and shit. Brough, my daughter, you know, I fancy myself pretty up on, you know, my kids' homework and stuff. Like, I know what they're doing. Like, she came up to me and, and it just, I was like, I'm out. Like, I'm officially, you've passed me mentally in the math department.

And it's, it's not even harsh. It's just she started talking about the Y, um, Y equals MX plus B, like that stuff. And I just couldn't remember how to do. do any of it dog like as like it's over it's like my daughter's smarter than me in math now fuck yeah those i don't remember any equation i don't remember the quadratic formula why equals that i think it's the slope slope intercept thing slope intercept form yeah math is pointless i think that's the dumbest shit you probably could have ever said we've got calculators you want to how many times i use math in a year outside of watching sports on tv you're a podcaster

yeah I use it zero times zero times a year you know and I will discount like watching sports on TV when I'm doing the math to be like how many points do we need to hit the over something like that and I'll also discount like when I'm if I'm doing a check at a restaurant and I have to do remedial addition but I still fuck that up I use math I use math never I never use math ever since I don't use go ahead go ahead but I go I mean I was just going to say since I don't use math that much. My day-to-day, sometimes I, like, try to do some mad minutes just to make sure I still got it to keep that muscle exercised. Yeah. Do you do low-key math? I do low-key math.

I do low-key math. I try to do mental math. I got a mental math. Yeah. I got a mental math app on my phone. Just every now and then just to keep, you know, it keeps you sharp. It's like, I don't know. But to say math is stupid is stupid. That's stupid what you just said. math is very now now we're in some kind of fucking yeah no i mean i mat it just never made sense to me i was never the different language yeah different language entirely math is fundamentally responsible for your entire career it's also responsible for the atomic bomb so true the the duality of life my brother math will destroy the world one day it won't be my problem i'll be like oh

I warned you. There was a dope-ass invention I think NASA just made where they, it's like this, it was small on a small scale, but like it's like a molding claw that can pick up rocks with any kind of surface. And it's really dope. And the dope shit about it is like, it's like a template for like if there's ever like an asteroid that wants to hit. Like maybe we can like have something hook up to it and pull it away.

That's pretty cool. Yeah, I like that. I just found out you can't drink beer and spit. space. Why? Because the carbonation. The carbonation doesn't work. Carbon, you can't drink like soda or anything?

Yeah, it just turns to foam. Oh, I'm not going. Yeah. Science, figure that out. But liquor's fine, right? Wine. Yeah. Non-carbonated beverages is fine.

A lot of wine. Okay, cool. Ooh, I wonder. So you can't like, they can't wine in space. Because this, there's, actually, you could airate the fuck out of wine. Because it just floats.

But there's no oxygen to get in. But there's no oxygen. Oh, but I'm thinking like in the space station. Oh, no. Yeah. Yeah. I don't understand. I have any fire.

When you decant wine, you're just, you're pouring it into a different vessel so that it gets, gets the air bubbles, which releases more of the scent. Is that it? It's, they, it oxidizes it. I don't know what that means scientifically, but basically it, it, like, exposing it to the air changes the flavor and it changes the um i don't want to say the makeup but it just it makes it a little bit more rich it it locks the aromas got it got it um all right well you guys ready to maybe get started talking about the jane maxwell trial and the whole geoffrey

upstein stuff i think i'm excited i'm not professional introduction we got to figure out how we're going to approach this because there's a lot well i think that so the people that we're going to bring in They're going to be here in just a couple of minutes. It's Brace and Liz from the True Anon podcast. And so I've been listening to them on and off for a few years now. They've been talking about Jeffrey Epstein and Jeline Maxwell. Before Epstein got arrested, this has kind of been their thing that they've kind of dove into. And very funny people.

I think that we just start, I want to get some background information from just so that you guys can like get to know them a little bit in case you're not familiar. Brace has a really interesting, weird story, so I'd like to get him to talk about that a little bit and then get into it with him and Liz and find out, you know, what they've seen while they're up here and just approach it from the standpoint of we're blank slates, right? So just we'll be your sponge, just educate us. That's kind of what I had in mind. I know this ain't my bag So I'm a pure listener on this one

I'm gonna ask questions and stuff But this might be the first The first guest that we've had on the show That's more left wing than you are That's gonna be hard to do I was gonna say I mean Grace went overseas And fought with the Kurds

Are they all the left wing Well there are elements of the Kurdish army And he'll get into it that are a communist and there are elements that aren't. But yeah, he's, he's a communist that has fought ISIS. By virtue of this being a podcast that you listen to, I believe you that they are incredibly left wing. I just don't know if it's more so than Eric.

No, they should have a lib off. No, that's the only set of this. Don't use the L word. Don't use the L word. They're not when you're, when you're left wing, like really left wing, a lip, we view liberals like we view Republicans. Like they're in the same boat. They just wear different hats.

Yeah, see, Big T, you're actually, I think you're going to like these people. I think that you have way more in common with the leftists than you ever would with the libs. The libs, I think we can all agree that Libs. Jesus can be foolish. Jesus is a communist. I feel like these guys are a little more like comrades, almost. They're very funny people, though. You like them.

You like them. We've had some right-wing people on this show. We're going to have some leftists on this show. Pompiliano? Well, yeah, but we're talking guests. He's like as libertarian as it gets. Oh, you, you invite somebody. You invite somebody.

We got to get you the most rightest fucking wrapped in an American flag. I consume, I consume the liberal media, so I know what the fake news is saying, so you know how to refute it. Quick question. We got to make sure these guys aren't CIA plans. Like, how do we disconcern that? Just like, you know, just a fake. Ask them. Ask them

No, no, the Tuneon True Tuneon is about To a ton of I love I'm talking about I feel like I feel like Billy

Are you a little intimidated right now Because they This is what they do And you They're about to They're about to outfax You know

I'm now I'm now the questions guy I brought the questions Here you go big T You probably love Glenn Greenwald Right Probably a big fan of his

I don't know who that is Oh okay Never mind then Is Did he used to work For the New York Times he he worked like i've heard his name i just don't know anything about it a number of of uh like coastal elite papers but now he's like he's on tucker all the time he's uh i think he lives

down in brazil and he reports on the fascist regime down there but founded a law firm concentrating on first amendment litigation i can get down with that yeah yeah he you and him run in the same intellectual circles and that guy likes the truant on people interesting so yeah i think you'll actually like him i think oh i've seen this kind of Guy. I know who he is. If everyone goes into it with an open mind, I think that you'll, at the very least, think that they're funny and they're informative. And they know their shit when it comes to the Epstein that whole mess because, like I said, they've been covering it for years. Yeah, I'm excited about it because it's like they've been doing this before it was like popular to talk about Epstein. And so they were ahead of the curve. So they really know, you know, they did do due diligence. They can lay, you know, they can give us an accurate timeline and kind of lay the foundations of it. I'm excited for it. Because I don't really miss me my like I'm not wasn't into the super sex trafficking ring like it's I know it's a thing but um yeah I'm excited for to hear what they got to say. Before we start the interview with trun on let me tell you about something. My back

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Go to Home Edics. We're joined by two very special guests from the True and on podcast. We've got Brace and Liz. Yo, yo. Welcome to the studio. We're happy to have you guys here. We've been thirsting for knowledge when it comes to the Epstein trial and the Maxwell trial. And you guys are actually here covering it.

you've been in the courtroom you can find their podcast wherever podcasts are found i think what's your tagline like you're the only non pedophile podcast yeah it's either non or anti but we'll take both yeah we're both and we're yeah yes yeah we're the only we're multi hyphen it we're the only non and anti pedophile podcast okay i love it that's good we just typically say we're the only podcast but that's yeah we go a step further than you guys yeah you guys absolutely alpha we just want to make you clear like what side of it because there's a lot of pro-epstein podcast out there i know i know big t listens to several of them uh so yeah we're very happy to have you guys in this studio maybe we can just like give a little bit of background for anyone out there that doesn't listen to the show um who you guys are

where you come from well i guess i can start yeah yeah well we're both from san francisco uh but uh known each other for a long time i don't know i've done a lot of uh bad stuff in my life and then also some okay stuff and then uh i don't know there's a lot that happened but uh i got a lot of legal trouble when i was younger and then i spent some time in the middle east not in israel and then uh i came back and worked their brewery for a long time then we started the podcast yeah so so big tea is um he's our right winger that we have on the show and i actually told him when you guys came in he big tea means well you like him i think that big tea has a lot more i are i clearly like him more than you do yeah well i think so you

I think he's cool. No, we love Big T, but, like, I was telling him because he has a very, I don't want to say you have a narrow view of what the left is, but he just, he was like, oh, we've got Libs coming. And I was like, dude, you, I think you. Well, no, no, no, you have more, you have more in common with them than you, either of you as ever would with Lib. I'm, yeah, I'm going to love each other. I'm not Lib Tar. Well, so, so I've dealt with, I've dealt with Ari and all. lot who is uh i i would guess fairly similar uh ideologically to y'all so i'm i'm well versed

in uh destroying people with facts and listening to people with uh those viewpoints yeah um so i i told big t a little bit uh that you actually hate isis more than he does provably right yeah i love that i hope everyone hates isis as much as i hate isis yeah not i not Yeah, I went over in, I guess, 2016 to, and I was in the Kurdish and then also Turkish, but a lie with the Kurds militia for a while in northern Syria. But ISIS, you know, there's some good, you know, they did a lot of public works projects, built some roads, schools. I actually have some ISIS school books.

Do you really? Yes. That was like you can, because you can take back, like some guys would try to take back flags and stuff, but the government just confiscated, like some fucking TSA. employee takes it from you being like, well, this is for national security, obviously just hangs it up in his like garage or something. But there's other stuff. If you can fold stuff, it's much easier to get it back. So I folded a bunch of like papers. I have a bunch of ISIS tax documents. Wait, you pay taxes over there? Dude, I, that's no, no, no, no, no, no. That's part of the

reason I went there. No, but it's the insane thing. It's like, first, you got to live under ICE. You got to live in the Islamic state, but then you also have to pay taxes. To that, it sounds awful. Yeah, it's terrible. Well, that does, I'm not, I'm not moving there. Yeah. Fuck that. It's settled.

The rents have really gone up to. How they did, gentrified Syria? It's insane, yeah. That's tough. But yeah, it's good to have you guys here, and you're covering the Maxwell trial, which is on hiatus now. It's on, they're taking a little pause for the cause. I think it's a legal time.

Yeah, a little pause. Judge Allison Nathan, I think, she's up for, like, some big promotion. And so she was like, oh, we have to take three days because she has to do something. But it's actually nice for us because, man, it has. Man, it has really been gavel to gavel, as they say. That's a new term we've learned. I like this. No gavels in this whatsoever.

She doesn't even have, you can't, there's no visible gavel. Is she robed up? Oh, she's robed. Oh, yeah. I think legally they have to wear robes. Yeah. The robe is a good look. We should try wearing the robe in and see if they let us in.

Arrested immediately. I think you can't. Yeah, yeah. I don't think you could like come in, robed. Do they do the, oh, yay, oh, yay, oh, yeah thing? or is that just at the Supreme Court when they announced the judge? Oh, no. They just say, please rise.

No. Yeah, they don't even say her name, really. So I guess the big question that we have for you guys, because they don't have cameras in the courtroom. No. How's Jolene looking these days? Oof. I'm going to leave this up to you.

Her, she doesn't look great. She's got kind of a blunt lob, as us ladies call it, a lob, which is in between a bob and like a longer thing. It's like a long bob. She cut her own hair in jail. Yeah, yeah, yeah. it had grown like she had gone like full full manson hair yeah then she cut it off blunt lob a lot of chunky knits that she's wearing big sweaters she doesn't look great no she it's

interesting watching her with the various victims that have taken the stand and her attitude because she definitely like has different attitudes towards them but in general she has been insanely like her behavior has been so weird like laughing in the courtroom yeah hugging like giggling with her lawyers like very like so inappropriate I would just think that you would not carry yourself like that on your sex trafficking trial I gotta say very weird behavior

been to jail before hated it miserable scowled the entire time I was there never happy she's having the time of her life up there well technically she's out of jail when she's in there so maybe that's it so it's like she might be like happy to be like in like a nice like large sweater instead of her you know prison jail garb but like yeah she's she's like there's a bunch of really i've been trying to collect courtroom sketches of her hugging people she's like hugging her insane looking lawyers

constantly blowing kisses at her sister because her sister and her brother are there too and along with the woman uh lais saffian i believe it is who took the in and out photo of her uh she's there too and that's her basically her only like family and friends that are in attendance and she's actually been given a lot of leeway to like the kind of scooter chair back and like you know talk with them a little bit she gets up sometimes and hugs people um but yeah i mean she it's funny i think a lot of people including us have tried to kind of like psychologicalize like see how she's kind of feeling about her chances and i her body language says confidence to me oh a hundred percent yeah but could be false confidence because the last thing you want to do is not look confident so it's kind of like a true three dimensional thing perhaps yeah i Maybe she's just like Cuomo and she's just very, you know, she's very Italian almost, where she just runs around hugging everybody, very touchy, very feeling. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, she is a sexual predator. Yeah. Yeah, she doesn't know anything about boundaries. No, no, like we joke a little bit. I've heard some of your coverage of the trial and like there's some, hearing you guys talk about some of the witnesses that are taking the stand and like very methodically going through what happened to them, it sounds like it's psychological torture on them to have to do this again in front of her.

Certainly for some of them. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. But just give me a feeling right now. Where are we standing in terms of? Like gut check? Yeah, conviction. Oh, I think they're getting around at least something.

At least I think the trafficking charge, there's a couple different charges. But the trafficking one seems pretty tight to me. So I think they'll get around something. I don't think it's a weird case. Yeah. I just have a really hard time thinking there's any jury, especially right before Christmas, that is not going to convict her on something. Yeah, there's a couple things going on.

It's like she's on trial basically. She's not on trial for actually having sex. She's on trial for enticement and for trafficking. And so they have to prove that. So it's that as actually like, you know, it's a little more difficult than you'd think because there has to be like some kind of records and like there's all this witness testimony. And of course, there's the testimony from the victims, but they're going to bring in their own slate because the prosecution just rested the defense is going to bring all these people to

basically be like i mean they've sort of telegraphed their plans already to say like well memory is unreliable and it's like these women could be lying so they can get more money they they laid out in the defense laid out in their opening statement basically they're like thesis of how they're going to fight it they're going to talk about manipulation which is manipulation of the girls by lawyers and uh and by epstein money because they're saying that the women all want money from this Epstein Victims Fund, which they've already all received and they can't receive anymore, and memory, which they said that their memories have been corrupted. And so all they need to do is just cast a little bit of reasonable doubt so the jury can't convict.

Do you think there may be the angle that they try to, the defense tries to push all the wrongdoing onto Epstein? Yes. They've already kind of laid that out in a couple ways where they kind of are saying like one, you can't try Galane for Epstein's crimes, which so they say, okay, well, well, you know, all of these things, you've got a, you've got a real airtight case on Epstein. And they do. You can tell that they originally were going to prosecute Epstein because they absolutely have him. But so they're saying like, okay, but you can't try her for his crimes. And also maybe we'll see she was a victim of Epstein, which they also might try to throw.

They're flung that out a little bit. And so it's like why you can't have her take the blame for the man's crimes. like she was a victim to and all this and that's actually I could see that defense working in a really cynical way I think you could see

kind of some people being like oh I could entertain that but then everything else that they presented I think kind of shuts it down I will say it's true I mean the defense opened their like opening statement

was like ever since Eve it was incredible was blamed for tempting Adam women have taken the fall for men's like all of this It was like, she's on trial for being a girl boss. Straight.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And it was just like, I mean, these defense attorneys are, defense attorneys in general are very like, you know, big performers. They have to be big personalities. But this one, Bobby Sternheim. Incredible.

My God. Give me, give me like a, paint a picture for me of this. Ice purple hair. Uh-huh. Okay. Short. Cat eye, sunglasses. I think they're kind of like a transition lens.

Okay. Which is a bold, that's a bold piece to wear in the courtroom. a transition lens. High white collar. Yeah. With like a... Yeah. Insane like giant like evil guy collar.

Like Dracula collar. Yeah. She's dragged up. Yeah. She's fully dragged. She really looks like Ursula. She looks like if like in the Joker universe, they wanted to remake the Little Mermaid, she would play Ursula.

And so did I hear she was wearing cowboy boots too? She was. And to me, it's like, imagine if Corella DeVille instead. of trying to make the Dalmatians into a coat, it ate them. Yeah. So that's kind of like her vibe. Okay.

I got it. Yeah, I like a defense attorney that wears a cowboy hat, I think always plays. Always plays. You got them in a Texas tie to. Not only you're getting off, you're the judge now. Yeah.

I think Johnny Manzell used to have a, he just hired his lawyer that had the biggest hat that he could find. It's good. Yeah. The boots are a little more understated. I don't know how that's going to play to us coastal elites. No, well,

especially so on the day that we confirmed she was wearing cowboy boots because we asked her she actually one of the big pieces of the evidence that the defense brought out was a pair of cowboy boots that Galane Maxwell had purchased for a 14 year or actually I believe 16 year old

girl in New Mexico and they brought them out to the stand in a paper bag and had her identify them it was an odd choice to be totally honest with you it didn't seem to It was a strange little evidence reveal. Right. So I guess it's tough for them to prove that she is doing something that's like by the letter of the law illegal when she could say like my only crime was turning a blind eye.

Yeah. And how much trouble would that get me in just being convicted of being willfully ignorant to everything that's going on? So how are they planning on proving that she actually broke laws? Well, it's, I mean, it's tough to say exactly. I'm no legal expert, right? But, like, so far I have been really confused by how narrow the scope of the witnesses they've brought out have been. I mean, the first person they brought out as the prosecution brought out as a witness was Epstein's one of Epstein's pilots, this guy, Larry Vasoski, who basically, he was clearly like, you know, he was boys with Epstein and like he had seen some. I mean, he was Epstein's pilot since like 1991, so he had seen some shit.

And he said that he saw nothing. And there were these flight logs with one of the victims names on. He's like, well, it's just her first name. I don't know if that's her, you know. And so they were able to eventually prove it was probably her because the other person that could have been wasn't, you know, was 11 at that time. So what's the pilot have to gain by lying about all this? Like what's, was he involved probably or?

Well, I mean, if you're fucking. If you're a pilot like transporting young girls across state lines, you're 1,000 percent never going to tell anybody international I mean it's true I've never put myself in that mindset yeah yeah yeah also pilots I mean that's like a they're serious dudes you know I mean they're they pilot planes they're these are serious serious guys they're not about I mean there's a lot of stuff that you see as like a pilot for a private individual right and I mean just like imagine if you were like Mark Zuckerberg's pilot imagine if you were Steve Jobs like I don't know imagine you're whatever yeah yeah yeah you're gonna see some crazy crazy stuff and your your job

your first job besides not crashing the plane is not saying anything to anyone ever about what you see oh myrta yeah totally elements of this was i think epstein correct me if i'm wrong had an apartment complex on 66 street and the pilot also basically his whole life was enveloped that he paid it for his like apartment rent and like a lot of it was yeah he was very intertwined Epstein with a lot of the people who worked for his lives. So it was sort of, there's that loyalty that he like...

Dude, he paid for this kid's like high school, like private education, like expensive private education. He paid for their fucking college education. All of Epstein's cars were in his name. He gave Epstein a cobra replica, which he, they said cobra at first. They were like, did Epstein give you a cobra?

He's like, replica. But you know, like... Exactly. It's such a pilot clarification. No, in the middle of it, he goes, well, I'm a bit of a car guy. Classic only. Yeah. But, yeah, I mean, he paid for this guy's whole life, essentially.

And so it's like, and I'm sure, you know, considering the way that Epstein would pay for basically anybody who worked for them, any lawyers that they needed or anything, always be taken care of by Epstein. 100% there's some money set aside from that. Oh, yeah. Who's advising him and shit like that. So he has no reason. I mean, and the thing is, too, it's like the end of the day, you're going to go home and fucking testify in court that like, yeah, I knowingly flew. children around with like a bunch of rich and famous people and politicians and a one of the most famous you know sexual predators of the 21st century for decades and didn't say anything like no

I mean like bro like late night hosts in the 90s joked that the plane you piloted was called the Lolita Express but you don't know anything on the literal Lolita Express you're like I never saw a kid I thought Lolita was like his mom's name or something yeah yeah yeah Nabico yeah wait so late night hosts would what what was that example like no i mean people have been joking about the lalita express since the 90s it's like the winestein thing was like every award show there would be somebody that was like making a harvey winestein everyone knew about harvey like everyone everyone in l.a knew about louis like everyone knew about everything no one says anything so um i guess let's let's back up i did a bad job because i'm not good at my job but um back up to like the start of the whole

maybe like of Epstein's life because a lot of people don't know the details behind like where he came from he appeared some you know kind of out of nowhere uh-huh uh but if you want to like walk us through how it all began like the origin story well i can start epstein was born in uh new york from coney island and is a uh kind of he's not from like a rich family you know didn't come from a place with a lot of connections uh he was clearly like you know a rough student you know he his whole thing is that like he's really smart into the science and stuff but you know he dropped out of college twice um and then was able even though he's a two-time college dropout i don't think ever made it through a full year at either college gets a job at this place called the dalton school

uh which is like this really prestigious like yeah upper east side but both the upper sides are rich right no but the upper east side is like it's like richer upper east side yeah yeah yeah okay yeah yeah The Adults in school is like a very prestigious private high. You know, everyone graduates and goes to. Anderson Cooper went there. Yeah. Yeah. That, um,

that Nicole Kidman miniseries that they had. You remember that one that was very generically titled. I forget what it was on HBO. Oh, yes. I watched it. And I cannot remember it was called something like the unknowable. Yeah, it had the most boring. It was like a very exciting show.

It was her and Hugh Grant, but it was called like the, the, the hum. Yeah. And yeah, they went to one of those schools. Yeah. He gets a job. teaching at one of these schools. Math and science.

Well, the crazy thing is, the guy who hires him is William Barr, the former attorney general's dad, who his prior job to being, you know, the head of this nice high school, was he was an agent in the OSS, the officers of strategic services, which is, of course, the precursor of the CIA, also wrote a weird science fiction novel about sex slavery, which I've read and kind of, frankly, wasted my time doing that. He didn't really give me any insight, but once I started out. Was it hot? No.

I mean, those guys are, guys in the science fiction guys are horny in a very particular way, but it's not the kind of horny that makes you horny. Yeah, it's like, hey, what if you fucked an octopus? Exactly. That'd be pretty cool. What if the chicks that you hook up with had like crazy ass ears? Yeah. Yeah.

So this Donald Barr guy, you know, in the Wikipedia, it says Donald Barr, who served as the headmaster until June 19794, was known to have made several unconventional hires at this time. Yeah. Now, do you, is there anything more to that just because he hired Epstein or was, I don't, I don't know who else they're referring to there, but Epstein, I mean, the thing is, I mean, dude, put yourself in his shoes. You're the headmaster of, like, the school that, like, all the rich people said, not everyone. I mean, there's a few schools like this, but like, you know, Anderson Cooper's a Vanderbilt. The Vanderbilt's are fucking sending their kids there. You're hiring just like a schmuck in a wide collar to like, literally didn't finish high college.

He was the cab driver. Exactly. He was a cab driver before that. Like every hire that you make at that school is potentially either the best thing you've ever done or the worst thing. Exactly. Ever happen to your career. Yeah. So this is where like there's a lot of gray area.

And basically at some point, he's the teacher. He gets fired and he gets hired by one of his students' parents. Yes. Alan Greenberg. Yeah. So he makes this jump from not only getting a job without a college degree at this high school, but then also getting a, you know, banking finance job Without a college degree

Yeah At Bear Stearns A pretty big player Yeah exactly Like from fucking Alan Greenberg That's like it's Ace Greenberg I mean it's just like

Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah I know I mean that's like Listen I known some guys who are like good at talking to people And like you've gotten themselves And some nice jobs from that But you're going from teaching here To being a fucking like

To getting hired at Bear Stearns I mean that's insane Yeah Yeah we should say too I mean, Wall Street is basically where the CIA was founded. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All those guys were lawyers at Whitechew law firms. Yeah.

And so like all the kind of, you know, these world's meeting, the CIA, intelligence, finance, banking, not uncommon that there would be a lot of crossover here. So Donald Barr, Ace Greenberg, all that being in the same circle and Epstein kind of getting thrown into both makes a lot of sense in a weird way, even though it makes also no sense. Yeah, I would imagine that the traits. that you're looking for to be a Wall Street banker would be very similar to some of the trades that you'd be looking at for somebody if you're recruiting them to the CIA where it's like just get information

tell us stuff that other people don't know also funniest thing about not that it's funny but the funniest thing is that he's always wearing even though he never went to college he's always wearing Harvard sweatshirts always always say it with your chest that was funny that's funny he's like donated all this money he's walking around like I basically went to Harvard exactly

I think he did he get an honorary degree from there I think he got an honorary degree from, I think either they also, they named buildings after him. I mean, I mean, there's a kid, a kid who works for us who always wears an NYU law sweatshirt around, didn't go to NYU law. That's a really good idea. But he's, he wears a Harvard sweatshirt sometimes. I got one that looks like Epstein. The crazy thing about Epstein, so Epstein loved, I mean, he really is sort of like presage, like the ath leisure trend or whatever, like a sweatpants shit. Because if you look at basically any photo of Epstein from like 1998 to his death, he's, he really.

He's wearing like a full, like, either sweatshirt, sweatpants or one of the other. And all of his shit is embroidered like L.S.J., Little St. James, or Z for Zoro Ranch. Like, all of the names of his, like, houses and his, like, place where he lives are, like, everything's embroidered. Embroidered slippers that say J.E. So he was like an embroidered freak too. That's some real rich people shit. Exactly. Yeah.

Like you have a towel that you wipe your ass with and throw away. Yeah. Like into the trash. Famously, and it's embroidered. Galane Maxwell's father actually did that. He did not use toilet. paper uh he only used towels to wipe his ass we gotta get into him he also pissed the bad yeah that's such a flex honestly yeah to just throw away your shitty towel um not a fire though

i mean arian you got you got any questions so far about early stages geoffrey upstein uh no uh this this is this is good like i said i was just going to be a listener of this podcast because i don't know much about buddy and i didn't care to do any research on him all right this is my research Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm just here, man. I'm enjoying the layout. Cole, you got anything? This isn't super connected, but you said you were fighting with Turkey as well. Not with the government of Turkey, with like a Turkish rebel.

Well, that's confusing too, with like a Turkish group that was aligned with the Kurdish groups. So it was like, I guess they were fighting against the Turkish government. My bigger question would be like, are you, are you with or against Inez Canter Freedom right now? well enos i can get into that too so he is all right so he's a gulenist right and so while i was there i met a guy who was one of the strangest guys ever met he was a great guy but he was he was raised in a gulenist school and he he was like it was like in a madrasa like his parents like dropped him off there when he was like eight and they're like you're with this guy now so the way the gulun movement works is they pay for a lot of people's education they educate you when

you're really young and then they'll pay for you to go to college and so like the weird thing about like the whole like gulen thing in turkey is that like the turkish government which i do not like urtogne is obviously like it's a really bad guy but like they're right about there being like this weird deep state of goulin is there but they were also part of that until goulon and erdogan fell out and so the guy was there was just like dude i had no idea that like girls existed or anything and then he found a comic book on the side of the road and he like read about girls and he left and then join the guerrilla movement just like that he's like fuck it yeah he's like unfortunately the gorilla movement he joined uh basically makes you be celibate but he didn't know that

beforehand he still gets a look right yeah he said yeah he told me blue is the warmest color is his favorite movie which blew my shit out he got like red pilled except just to the existence of women yeah um but i mean with with with canter uh or what's his last name it's freedom now his name's freedom yeah he's cancer to the middle yeah he's he's He's everywhere now. He's got takes. I can't pin him down with his takes. They're just kind of all over the maps.

Yeah. I mean, the Gula, here's the thing. Goulon lives in a giant compound that's, like, secluded and has a bunch of guys with suits and Uzi's. Rarely do the good guys live on one of those. And whatever political thing you hold on to,

if there's a bunch of guys with, silently standing there with Uzi's surrounding you, you're doing something weird. But, yeah, he's, Goulon, I mean, they finance madrasas all over the world. And, like,

it's not even like a huge i mean it's a religious thing but it's really like it's also like a money thing for this guy it's like his network and they actually financed a ton of charter schools in the u.s yeah i was reading up on this and i sent a thread to the group chat i think this weekend about anis canter and basically they even like took training anis canter in basketball very very seriously they wanted him to go you know play in the NBA to have some sort of influence yeah one day which i was like like they like the day he was born Makes sense. Yeah, I mean, this guy's going to be so fucking tall.

Now he just, you know, what does he average a game, Collie? Like, he's a decent role-playing center. No, he's not even decent. He's bad at sports. Yeah, this is the basketball person. Yeah, I mean, Ines has to keep running his mouth or else people are going to notice that he's pretty useless on the court. Well, yeah, I mean, he's done a good job. He's got his niche now.

So, like, you can't cut him because it's like it'll look like he did it for China. You cut freedom? Like, the guy's name is freedom. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. How dare you? I didn't know. that that's fucking so funny yeah did they update like I should look and see if they updated on like a fantasy team now it's like oh that's advice for listeners out there if you're ever

about to get fired change your last name to not racist and then they'll fight they'll fire you he's listed and his he is on the website come on man Jesus Christ my last name is currently employed man yes you can't fire me I'm Mr. CEO yeah my last name is your boss yes uh so all right so epstein is grown up he uh he has he's received two jobs that he is probably not qualified for at this point and the most recent one has him working for bear stearns on wall street where he's making he's rubbing elbows with the what's the what's the what's the hoi polo i hear that term a lot it's a term i'd like to start using more i think i'm using it right i think it means the rabble right the hoy palo yeah no it's like the it's the hoi polo is

of the rabble. Oh, it's... You're the rabble, looking at the Hoype-Polloy. Yeah. Well, yeah, he's making friends with some pretty powerful people. Yeah, yeah. He's like, he has like a fantastic career at Bear Stearns for someone who's literally never been a banker before.

He's like partner in four years of a huge investment firm. I mean, this is, Bear Stearns is major, major player on Wall Street up until 2008 when they, oops, excuse me, when they, you know, screwed everyone's savings accounts. Yeah. Innocent. Yeah, as he was an options trader. So he basically does, he was successful and did what the people on Wall Street bets try to do and do these huge. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Basically, he was making the, so however he knew he'd do these huge options trades, which is hard to explain, but basically make a lot of money, like it's a huge gamble. And the only way he'd be that successful is if he had insider knowledge in order to do those. But this was the 70s, 80s, like this was when it was easy to do. Actually, the little Wall Street vets guy, that's Epstein. Yeah. Yeah, he started that forum. It would be beneficial if you had the ability to blackmail somebody to job like that, I would imagine. I mean, so conspiracy brain, right?

Yeah. I'm, you know, basically just your average consumer of information on the news. I'm reading this. I'm seeing this. Okay, Bill Barr's involved. This guy's involved. No college. How does you get this first job?

You know, is he walking around as a teacher and see something? something he shouldn't have with, you know, one of these guys? Does that how he leverage his first job? Does he realize that, you know, hey, I can, you know, advance my life doing these things and holding information as a commodity? And like, because he is, he's a street smart guy. So if he saw somebody in a compromising situation, he would probably be the kind of guy that would try to leverage that a little bit. Yeah. Well, I think with Epstein is somehow or other, we don't have a ton of insight on this because obviously everyone like now they're like

well I don't know he just seemed like a really good he'd be good at banking which by the way very anti-Semitic of you to assume even if it's true but like it's you know the thing is it's like nobody knows exactly why like Ace Greenberg was kind of

just like I don't know he seemed like a great guy so we hired him which is insane because it's like so this fucking asshole knows how to trade is being an options trader like from the get go it doesn't make lot of sense. Also, something that I think our generation doesn't really grasp is I watched

Catch Me If You Can the other day. Yeah, yeah. And being a fraud was so easy back then. Anybody who got busted for any crime before 1995 deserved it because it was so easy to get away. Yeah, every day. OJ was really the start. Exactly. This guy could a hundred percent forge a, like he went to Harvard back then. He probably always said he went to Harvard and there was no way to check it. You could do whatever. Yeah. Records basically didn't exist.

If someone said they saw you, somebody would be like, that was amazing, dude. Where's the video camera? The movie was like, we lied to an entire country. Yeah, yeah. And they bought it. Our entire lie was predicated around like printing up a couple flyers and then renting an office with a phone in it. Yeah. And then Iran bought it.

Yeah. Like you really, it is very cool. I questioned the morality of everyone from like 30 years, even more than that now, like 40. Because like without the internet, like you could do literally anything. Yeah. And people didn't, I mean, I would have been a god in the 1950s. I would have been so, I would have been the present. I should have just been like, oh, yeah, I got the votes.

You just show up and be like, no, no, no, I am the president. Look it up. Oh, you got to go to the newspaper. I brought one for you. It says I won. Yeah, you just roll around with your own printing press. Exactly. Yeah, yeah.

Write whatever you want. So the thing is, like, his rise there is fucking insane, but his departure from, from, from, from Bear Stearns is also kind of shrouded in mystery. I mean, there's, there's been a few different takes. There was one that he was like, he was doing this big deal with Seagram's. Yeah. Seagram's family, of course, very tied up in the whole nexium thing. Yeah, the Brumfman's.

Yeah, there's a couple reports that the SEC was interested in talking to him about some, like you were talking about insider trading that was maybe going on at Bear. Some bear executives say that he was like skimming off the top. Suffice to say he gets out of there real quick. And no one really questions anything. They're sort of like, well, thank God he's out of here. He was hit with what's called a reg D violation. Yeah.

Which it may refer to an investment strategy. Basically, then his pivot to, you know, where he goes to next in the financial world, I think's very interesting. Because he founded his own consulting firm, which was basically, yeah, helping his clients recover fraudulent, like from brokers and lawyers. So in my head, in this, like, basically, let's say he was caught doing some huge fraud shit. Yeah. Like Catch me if you can. The SEC finds him like, yo, dude, we have, like, catches a little bit like, dude, can you please, like help us advise? And then not only is he helping the SEC figure out what's fraud and what's not.

But then he opens his own consulting firm because not only is he probably billing the SEC for his, you know, help. But he's also like, hey, I can actually do this for tons of people. he's becoming a collections agent. And this is also when it's stated that some people at times said that he was an intelligence agent. Yeah. So.

Yeah, I think too that like, it's not just that he, I think him understanding fraud is like absolutely 100% correct because later on in his career, like we see documentation. It actually is in the Paradise Papers, which is the like, you know,

lesser known one of the huge document dump that happened. One of the many papers. Yeah. It's always a good patch when it's got like a proper. or name to it. Yeah, totally. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he was like caught setting up a ton of shell companies for some of his clients and himself all throughout like Panama and the Virgin Islands and whatever, basically like tax havens. And so what he was really good at was basically like saying, okay,

I'm going to take your money, hide a bunch of it in all these different places, which is going to allow us to then make it grow and not pay taxes on it. And so it's kind of like you understand all these like fraudulent moves, which then you're able to use to your client's advantage, aka they're not going to notice that we're doing this because I know this is what they look for over here. You know what I mean? So did he was he the one that started the rumor like, hey, I hear Jeffrey Epstein's in the CIA. Like he was telling people that to like boost his clout or is that somebody else? I mean, the thing about him is that like the reports are that he would tell people that he worked for the CIA and that he also recovered money from people like from warlords,

which is like, I'm not really sure how you're doing that. Like, you know, I've never met a warlord, but I've met like... Which also, if you haven't met a warlord. Yeah, I mean, I've met guys who like would be warlords and like, how are you going to get much? He has the, he's a warlord. He just need a bigger Toyota truck. Exactly. Yeah, exactly.

But like, so it's, you know, it's exactly. And like that, it's like, it's so this guy, I mean, he is placing himself in this like, I mean, you know, the way that like sort of. the the sort of hidden world of politics goes in the world is like, you know, a complex series of like, yeah, political and military arrangements, but also financial arrangements. And being a player in that is an important thing. And it's like, if he's good at that, if he knows how to do that, if he knows how to, you know, if say someone in the government wants to move some money to some guy, you know, in so warlord in Somalia or something, Epstein knows how to do that through these different like, you know,

offshore companies, exactly. Offshore banks. Yeah. That's a really useful skill to have. Absolutely. So that kind of answers one of my biggest questions, which is just what, what is a financier? Besides, just a red flag, do not hang out with this person. If somebody's like, I'm a financier, to me, that tells me you do some evil shit.

Yeah. 100%. That's like what VCs called themselves before they rebranded, like a financier or something like that. It's like vaguely French. Yeah. It sounds like fancier. Well, it's like you fund both like, you like own the railroads, but you also own the guys that

like kill the people who work. on the railroads and stuff and it's like right if you're a financier yeah that means like you're also invested in like somebody a great stock of machine guns yeah pinkertons yes pinkertons yeah yeah yeah you you like refuse to let the pinkertons unionize against you exactly yeah yeah yeah yeah and so yeah I mean Epstein it the thing is though like who his actual clients were besides the ones the big ones that we know about still a mystery you know we actually we don't know who a lot of these guys were, especially early on. But he was, he was accumulating money at this point, getting wealthier and wealthier.

Big T, you got any questions so far? I'm just, I'm just learning. Okay. We'll get into the Clinton stuff. I got, I got, why do you, why do we not know who his clients were? Because it's all secret and a lot of them won't come forward. The ones we know about, one of the big ones that we know about that we really, no one's really looked into, which is not as surprised as Larry Summers.

Yes. Larry Summers was a big client of Jeffrey Epstein's. yet we don't really know how much money he was managing or really the extent of that. No one, everyone's done their job by not looking to it. Yeah, I mean, the big ones we know about were like Leon Black and especially Leslie Wexner, Leslie, which is a guy. Right. Right.

Yeah, Leslie Wexner, he ran like a clothing company, right? Victoria's Secret, right? Not just a clothing. Well, I'll let the lady take this. Well, yeah, he was the owner of the limited brands. Yes. Which was both Victoria's Secret, obviously, is the big one. But the limited, limited two for lady listeners out there.

That's right. Mad Dog knows. Yeah, she knows. Yeah, so huge, like, mall brand conglomerate. But Victoria's Secret obviously being the big showpiece of the brand machine. Yeah. And he is a Midwestern billionaire, which is, I got to say, in the billionaire hierarchy, if you're one in the Midwest, the most.

evil, scary guy. Yeah, totally. Especially Ohio. Yeah, Matt Dogg, that's actually the owner of your Cleveland Browns. Jimmy Haslam ran... About Haslam has nothing to do with this. He's a Midwest billionaire that ran Pilot Flying Jay and defrauded. He's from fucking Tennessee.

He's actually a Southern billionaire. Oh, is he? Well, he's in, so he's a carpet bagger. Yeah. Yeah, and he's run the Tennessee football program into the ground, too. He's a real sum bitch. Yeah, he defrauded. I think, like, hundreds of millions of dollars out of, uh,

truckers through fake rebates he sure did yeah fake rebates yeah fake rebates he would be like yeah if you drive x amount of miles and you fill up at my station and you know you're a loyalty member yeah yeah yeah we're gonna send you at the end of the year doesn't send it they just never sent money and they just they took all that money and then they gave it to all their vice presidents and then it was you can tell that it's a real rich person shit scam when yeah when uh when the fbi invests investigate you they have enough evidence to convict you and they say tell you what we just won't take you to trial if you literally just write us a check. Yeah.

Oh, that's all it was. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Just pay a fine and we won't go to trial. Yeah. I don't know how that's any different from bribery. No, it is. Yeah, especially because a lot of the times, like, they'll find you. And it's like, the money doesn't go to the people that you stole the money from.

No, it like goes to the FBI and buy cool new gear. Yeah, yeah, yeah, SWAT repelling robes. Yeah. DeHaslam once told me she liked my necklace. Oh, then they sound like lovely people. Oh, wow, yeah. Oh, she's 13. If there's 13.

Any enterprising young sports journalists listening, they should, hot little tip, I would spend some time looking into Leslie Wexner's ties to Ohio State because I think they're there. Okay. Mad Dogg is, you're raising your hand. Do you want to look into those ties? I know the ties. Go off. So he, the Ohio State Medical Center and the Ohio State Hospital is the Les Wexner Medical Center.

So he, I have family that works there. And he owned it. obviously a billionaire had a lot of money in it and then once all of the Epstein stuff came out in like 2018 backed out of it the hospital lost a bunch of money it was like this whole thing

so he is like a notorious name in Columbus so I'm from Cleveland oh you are yes I am are you no I'm just I'm I spent some time there I'm just really interested in the Wexner's in Columbus are you telling me Urban Meyer might know something

Urban Meyer might know something and so when like Like the limited, all of the people that I went to college with work, basically work at like all of the brands that he used to own. So, yeah, Victoria's Secret, the limited, limited two, which was like the injustice, which you guys don't care about. Because that's like a little girl brand now. All of those are housed in Columbus along with the Ohio State Medical Center, like the Wexner Medical Center. And so he had like Columbus is sneaky, a really, really.

really, really rich city. Yeah, it is. Like, there's a lot of money in Columbus. And so he had crazy houses in the suburbs. Like, everyone knew where he lived. Everyone knew about him and his family. And his family went to prestigious schools in Columbus. And so once all of that came out, he kind of went like totally underground bunker.

And yeah. Yeah, Columbus, I always joke that, like, if Twin Peaks were, like, going to be made today and, like, about a real place, it would be about Columbus. Columbus is such a cool city. There's like some dark, dark, it's like the Bermuda Triangle for me of America. Like, there's some dark, dark stuff happening in Columbus just because of the way, like, all of shipping happens out of there. All of, like, it's a huge flight hub. It's a huge, like. It's a big city.

It's a massive city. It's the big city in Ohio. There's a lot of, like, drugs run out of there. There's a lot of human trafficking run out of there. There's a lot of money that moves in and out of there. Like, it's just a really interesting kind of hot spot. Ohio has a lot of high. highways running through it.

And so Toledo, Columbus, even Cleveland, have some of the highest concentrations for human sex trafficking because you can basically run off the map. Because in Columbus, you can go from 670 to 270. And then Toledo, this does, again, no one knows the highway names. You can go from like 480 to 990 and you basically can clear your tracks. Mad Dog knows everything there is snow about. I love it. I knew this Italian guy named Froucho.

Well, it's not his real name. That's actually, I think, a slur in Italian for gay people. Yeah. But he lived in, I know, but we called him that for years. But he lived in the basement of a bar in Cleveland in exchange for cleaning the bar. And he was kind of like an indentured servant there. But I also knew the guy on the bar. It sounds like just a job that would only exist in a sitcom.

Exactly. But I don't think you got any money from it. Yeah. He was just allowed to live there and drink their warmest beer. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, he didn't have papers or anything, so he just kind of, like, lived there and, you know, yelled at everyone in Italian. But it was good guy. Yeah, it was cool.

But Wexner, so the other thing about Wexner and Epstein, though, is that we have heard probably the most consistently from people kind of giving us, like, tips, like people from Ohio, people who, you know, people who knew people related to Wexner is that Leslie Wexner and Jeffrey Epstein have a longstanding rumored sexual relationship with their penises. docking so something that is very so Epstein's a big townhouse that at one time was the largest private residence in Manhattan is technically still owned by Wexner was it ever transferred

It was transferred in the 2000s But yeah I mean this is This is fucking crazy So yeah Epstein's Epstein's giant town out I mean the thing is we went there Like a month or two ago Huge fucking house

I took a picture of it right after the FBI No shit I'll show this picture Yeah I mean it's it's the doors are huge I got to say love a big door oh yeah I was just I was just went for a walk through Yale's campus shit last year you see that where they busted in yeah yeah in the J.E inscription yeah the J.E's gone yeah it's gone yeah we took the yes is on the other side yeah we took some of his mail no just kidding yeah I love a good door too I was just

saying I was in New Haven like a week and a half ago for the first time I just walked through Yale's campus hoping that I would like meet a skull and bone or something Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the doors on that campus are amazing. They all have like the curved top storm. Oh, yeah, yeah. I just want to walk through like 5,000 pounds. Yeah.

They're four walking through like hunched over in a cloak. Yeah, maybe like, yeah, rocking a candle. Yeah, totally. Holding a scroll. Yeah, exactly. I'm just kind of saying you're like, I'm a sucker for a good door. Yeah, I know. Yeah.

Oh, that's right. Yeah. Yeah. Just the one thing you were saying, like, I'm breathing in all like the intelligent air. And the guy's like, yo, you're going to sing new tonight? Yeah, no, yeah, we were doing like a real quick interview and I was like, you know, what there's some just that's enchanting about being on a campus with this much history and the thirst for knowledge you can smell it in the air and this guy comes by he's like yo pft you're going to

sigman new and i was like fuck yeah that's rage um but the the crazy thing so wexner basically like i mean the townhouse is a really good example of that wexner pays the most money i can't remember tens of millions bought it from the dwight school which is another prestigious high school that's on the west side yeah yeah they had a campus on the east east side at that point. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. He bought it from them for an obscene amount of money. Insane. And then the crazy thing is he furnished a lot of it. I mean, Epstein brought his own weird shit in. But like, Wexner paid it was like a million dollars a day for new furnishings. Like all this crazy shit in there. Spent less than two weeks there ever. Gave it to Jeffrey Epstein.

It's also just a way for moving money. Right? Like real estate is like NFTs for old people. Yeah. Where it's just like a way to kind of move a ton of money into. to like another thing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's like parking your money in art. Yeah.

Like I will sell you this townhouse at a 90% reduced rate or whatever. Yeah. And now it just becomes yours. And it's like a shell company buys it and it's owned by something else and you're not paying taxes because it moves through this thing. And it's, you know, classic. All my money is parking Supreme Box T's. That's a good investment.

Yeah. Only just goes up. Still got the Beanie Babies. Recently sold some NFT. So I liken myself as a financier. Yeah. There you know. I've sold an NFT

but I didn't I couldn't figure out how to collect the money so it just expired I still don't know what NFTs are I understand the concept I just know that some people think that they're valuable

so I should probably also think that they're valuable at some point I'm just like falling in line it's like well imagine if like there was a Fortnite skin but you had to pay more money for it okay all right

that's you're there metaverse yeah what about Valor that exactly I was about to say. That's what sold me. Originally, there was a dude

who was talking about NFTs, and he said CSGO, which is very akin to the baller. But I've spent a good two racks on

valor and skins, for sure. So, but they're valuable inside of this thing, right? Yeah. That's how the,

Valor, the game is free, but there's like one of the biggest growing games because they do shit like that and people buy skins. So it's like,

like little, you know, like a little clubhouse prestige that you have. I get it. I don't think it's like, going to be, and this is just, it's a hot take because the NFT bros are going to be after me if I say this.

You're going to kill you. I don't, yeah, I don't think, I don't think it's going to be, like, anything that you can, like, trade for real. I just think it's going to be just like every other crypto shit. Yeah. I've noticed it. It's going to be valuable in sex. Yeah. Recently, uh, the, the crypto NFT bros are starting

to, they're like on a higher level of irony than the people that hate NFT itself. Yeah. You know what I said? You're like, go ahead. Right click and save it. Yeah. They're like, see if I care. I did it do. Yeah, and they'll be like, oh, my God, I can't believe this person right clicked. I'm reporting you to the FBI. And the person that right clicked is like, oh, man, I got to screenshot this and post it on Twitter because these guys don't understand that I can just right click their thing.

Yeah, yeah. The NFT bros have now like usurped you on the irony level where they know that that's going to be your response. Yeah, yeah. So now my brain is all fucked up because I'm like, wait, the guy I thought was a bigger dork at the start of this conversation actually owning the other guy. I guess he's right now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, it's the, I mean, the thing is,

If, you know, if you can make some money on it, go fucking... I don't know what they are. I mean, I know what they are. I don't know what the social utility of it is. Doesn't seem like there's any. But, you know what? If it pays for a new Supreme Box tea, go right ahead, my friend. I don't care.

Absolutely. Just don't get caught holding the bag. That's the, you know, that's it. No, dude. And the thing is, you want the bag. No, so you don't understand that. You don't want to be the last one telling the NFT. Why would I not want to be the last one with the bag?

Because, no. of money we're misconstruing what's the bag so there's two bags the bag of there's the currency and then there's the product you want to be the the penultimate person to hold the bag in order to be a seller there's got to be a buyer and you don't want to be the last one selling well i think if you're unable to sell it's just because you're just a bad sales person yeah well so you're not talking up the nfti enough if you're holding the bag i've gone out and secured the bag and now but that's wrong to do now no no securing is different that holding.

This is ridiculous. Yeah, you've got to keep track of your bags. Also, a lot of the people who are buying these NFTs are crypto, you know, people have done really well, crypto. Yeah, yeah. So that's where the money is like, well, you know, I made so much money just trading crypto.

Let me buy stuff that I can use with my crypto. Yeah, totally. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's either you cash out or you keep it. You got to move it somewhere. Fentanyl never goes bad. I was already out on NFTs and I saw a TikTok of Gary Vaynerchuk saying that people should start making their houses in FTs. And I was like, we're just throwing words.

I love Gary. We're just saying shit. He's like, change your house around a little bit so no one else can have it. Have you seen the Gary Vee motivational speeches that he does where he's given the key to his success in life? You guys have to watch this. He's talking to like a big audience, like a TED talk thing except it's Gary talk, whatever he does. And he's like, every morning in the shower, I look at myself in the mirror and I imagine that my entire family has been murdered in front of my face. and I think to myself what's really important

and I visualized him dying in front of me And that's how he does this in the morning To get himself into a headspace Where he can like prioritize what's important Spends 45 minute hugging his kid That morning's like I love you so much Absolute psycho No it was worse than that

He like looked at somebody and said You love your family right Like you really love your family The person was like yeah he's like good Imagine they're all dead It was at a symposium Also let's just say Gary Vee's probably good amount of wealth

but like he makes a lot of money just going to places and talking to people anybody who's going to place and talk to people that's how they make money yeah yeah because like if

if he was just skating by off all his NFT shit and shoes and trading cards that he was selling he probably wouldn't who would want to go tell other people how to do it yeah makes no sense

have you have you have you have you checked his receipts you know what I because he's been making he's been making predictions for a good 15 years he's got a lot of bad ones old takes experience

I don't Oh, does he? I don't know. Well, I'll check it out. I'll check it out at some point. He's been saying he wants to own the Jets for like 25 years. And at some point, you got to shit. Dude, there's some of these guys, I mean, Gary Vee, his parents had a wine business.

And he then was in charge of the wine business. And he was at a very great time in the world where you could take stuff online. Yeah. So if it wasn't online yet, like there's a bunch of these, I mean, dot com CEOs. Like there was a guy who did diapers.com. Oh, yeah. Pets.com. So smart.

man wish I was there I know time machine number one dude having pizza dot com exactly also there is this element that porn dot com if you're just the first person

to like put stuff in the metaverse you might well yeah I think that's because I think that's what people are like it's like it's web 3.0 so it's like I didn't get on one point oh I didn't get on 2.0 but like this time I'm there first and like yeah like the fucking

floss dance like if I can sell that for 10,000 Bitcoin like I'm you know I'm a genius. I'm going to, like, you know, open a wine shop in the Metaverse. I'll be Gary D. What is the Metaverse?

I think that's another episode. Many of you lived in Fortnite. So Epstein, he wants to live in Avatar. That's his, like, goal. Arian is the world's biggest avatar fan. I love that. That's facts.

The way they're over there on Pandora live in life. We're over here discussing intellectual property digitally. It's fucking stupid. Yeah. So Epstein was said to have had a fake Austrian passport

that had his photo but a false name. So the passport showed his place of residence in Saudi Arabia. So this was brought up when Alexander Acosta, well, that's a little let's get back to... Did he have the passport? He did have

a passport. So he had fake passports. This was during the time where the Khashogis, which are somehow involved, which are involved in a whole other thing. Oh yeah, Iran contrary. Yeah. So like I'm not, I don't want to draw, connect too many dots, but there is a possibility that Epstein helped, you know, like finance Iran-Contra. I mean, is that a little too far as stretch?

I mean, I don't know, you know, it would just literally be a guess. I would say from his position, which was relatively low, probably not, but I guarantee that he was around people that were. And certainly Galane's father played his part, not necessarily in Iran-Contra, but adjacent to that. You know, he was part of that entire milieu that kind of came from. But, I mean, with Epstein's false, multiple, I think, false passwords, that's just the one we know about in the safe, which also did not get brought up at the trial. No, it didn't. But, but I mean, so, well, Epstein, I mean, let's take it to 91 when he meets Galane.

So one of the big things we found out in this trial, right, is like, Galane Maxwell. So Epstein's rich, right? Like, or he's getting rich. You know, he's got these clients. He's hooking up having sex. with Leslie Wexner, allegedly, you know, but he's making money, making money, but he's not from this world, right? And so, like, he doesn't have the social connections or, like, sort of like a, not a chauffeur, but like a companion to take him through this sort of rarefied world

that he's in. But in 1991, and we still don't know the exact, we don't exactly know when they met. Could be in the 80s. Yeah, there's some conflicting reporting. Yeah. But, which is weird that we don't know exactly when they met. One time, one night stand, reconnected after. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They were probably, they were rubbing elbows with similar people at that time. So they could have met at any number of, like, functions. I read a lot of people reporting, like probably around 1988.

He met Delaine Maxwell. And this is when Robert Maxwell is still alive. Yeah, possibly through Robert Maxwell, which is very interesting. Right. So her dad, Robert Maxwell, he was a spy. Yes. Right. And that's confirmed or is this?

Well, so that's. That's what I've always. heard alleged but it's alleged by a lot of people it's alleged so much you're sort of like well yeah it's maybe not an allegation one of the first people to allege it was seymour hirsch who you know very famous journalist investigative reporter who uh there was this guy in the 80s uh named vanunu who was a uh israeli like nuclear technician and you know israel does not officially have atomic bombs um when in fact they they definitely do i mean it's like 100% confirmed they have like a ton of atomic weapons um but he was he was a technician

and he was fired uh he let he sort of went on a journey of self discovery throughout the world and then when he was in australia sort of he was painting a church while he started talking to he's like oh yeah i've all these like pictures and documentation that like israel has nuclear weapons and the guy he was talking to actually turned out to be a real son of a bitch was like we got to sell your story so they go over to england to try to sell that story you know the Times of London, like a pretty serious paper, you know, bites. And they're like, we'll, you know, we'll look into it. And they sort of start, you know, documenting it, doing this like pretty rigorous reporting on it at first. In the meantime, the guy that he originally approached, like the guy he met while painting a church wall, goes to the daily mirror and all of these sort of like tabloids, many of which were owned by Robert Maxwell, Galane's father. Once they get word that there's these photographs of Israel's nuclear sites that are getting out there, they get. They get. Get the photographs from this guy, Oscar, who's, you know, with Vanunu, the sort of, like, scam friend of his. And Robert Maxwell gives them to the Israeli government and essentially helps lure Vanunu

by using a honeypot, a woman, to come and seduce him, meet him on the street, chance encounter. It's like, oh, you're so crazy. You love the nuclear weapons. My rule of thumb is like any time a remotely attractive woman initiates a conversation with me or looks at me, I'm like, no. I'm sorry. No, no, no, no, not happy. Not ending up with a weird picture of my fucked up dick on the internet, baby. Like, not happening.

Billy already did that to me. Actually, he put a picture of my penis online. It was, it's a long story. I was peeing at the time. Gray sweatpants? It was, I was taking a leak, and he took a picture of me as I was peeing. And then right after that, he tweeted out my phone number within, like, 15 minutes. It's been a long time.

Within 15 minutes, Billy put my penis on the internet and also my phone number. the two things as an intern you probably shouldn't do to your boss five years ago but like he only had it you know up to go from there you can't get any worse than that yeah you start at the bottom yeah i digress i'm sorry so well so this guy vanunu gets black bagged uh you know by masad and taken to israel and put on basically what it was essentially like a secret trial and then was in prison for decades and now like can't talk to foreign journalists he's out of prison now but he's essentially on house arrest can't talk to any foreign journalists can't talk to anybody like he gets re-arrested constantly and robert maxwell played a big part in that but he was also i mean he was this big publisher

and so he was going around to all of all over eastern europe publishing scientific manuals uh but really you know getting information from people because he had close connections to both the head of the kgb and also big big higher ups in bulgaria's government which i think he was probably just like well there's all these spies in like Czechoslovakia in russia but no one gives a fuck about Bulgaria so I'll go there But he was moving a lot of money around In the Eastern Block too And huge ties in the UK government

Yeah absolutely He served in Parliament, right? Yeah, he's a labor counselor I've been trying to track down He's like a Murdoch type But so like this stuff like crosses It's again, it's like you know I was saying with like Wall Street

And how all this stuff crosses over with intelligence It's the same thing with publishing Like since like the dawn of time I mean you talk about you know Benjamin Franklin with his papers and whatever like all newspaper men are like intelligence assets all of them we know that about at the post at the times at like every paper they're always talking to the government like different agents whether they know it or not um and so he had all of these kinds of relationships they're very

useful yeah exactly what do you think the papers are for yeah yeah yeah yeah what do you think they're printing in the papers exactly so all right so um and then he died because he was peeing off his yacht well totally adds up right it's crazy because actually the railings on his got, I mean, Robert Maxwell was fucking huge. He was 6'4 and like... Low center of gravity. He was 280, which I think that's underestimation. Quick question.

Yeah. I need your guys' opinion. I found a picture of Robert Maxwell with Mother Teresa. Not Mother Teresa. Oh, she's bad. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Is that real?

With him and Mother Teresa, I don't... I'm probably, yeah. Yeah, okay. I haven't seen it. There's pictures of him with everybody. Yeah, there's pictures of him with Princess Diana. Yeah. There's pictures of him with Donald Trump.

And I think, no, not because I don't think. Khashogis in that, although there is a, like, a sort of like spotted in a party of Trump, Koshogi and fucking Maxwell on a yacht on Koshoggi's yacht at the Queen song, partying. I love it. Yeah, we put Mother Teresa in a figure

four leg luck. Oh, no, she's bad. She's rotten, dude. Imagine being like, I have cancer and somebody would be like, well, pray. Why don't you pray? No, you, the fucked up thing, like I didn't realize this about her, but she would just go door to door. Yeah. As people were dying, just to get her stats up. Like, it was garbage time.

Padding. Yeah. Conversion. She's just like sprinkle holy water on them, walk out the door and be like, chalk another one up for for MT. Like I would send another all-time record tonight, guys. Like, Will Chamber and hold it up at 100 after she was done. They were on death's door. And we were saying, like, how fucked up would it have been if the people that were dying if their religion was right?

And Mother Teresa came in at the last night, they lived their entire life. Yeah. And they're going to go to heaven. Muslim. Yeah. And then at the very last second, Mother Teresa comes in. You're not even conscious. Yeah.

And she just sends you to hell. Especially because you just didn't also like, don't you have to like accept, I mean, I'm Jewish, but like don't you have to accept Jesus as like your Lord and Savior? Because if you're like passed out and you don't do that, did Mother Teresa just send you to Catholic hell? She might have. Dude, dude.

Dude, imagine if it's like so much worse, like if there was like a draft king's for that at the time and she start, you start seeing her point shave. And you're like, bro. She has to like, she has to come here to like clear it up. All the saints are up in heaven just being like, you know, Mother Teresa's putting up triple digits. She's not getting elected into the Hall of Fame. You're all having women do this, not so bad.

Then you've got the argument going on whether a triple double even matters anymore, if they're just running the numbers. Teresa couldn't play back in Babylon. There was a live beat era back then. It was a different game. But yeah, so Robert Maxwell is like, I mean, he falls off his yacht. And basically, I mean, Galang comes out and says it about a week later, or five days later in a press conference in Spain

where she's like, I think my father was murdered. To this day, she still holds that he was pushed. Yeah. And we got to say, like, we looked at that boat, high railing, large man, close center of gravity. Calm sea, by the way. Like, this is like the guy. Very difficult.

Yeah. The guy was like insane, right? And like he was, I call it food madness. Because he had, you know, he ate a lot of food and like, I think he kind of drove him nuts. but uh yeah yeah he like falling he would have literally had to go like off this giant heart attack involved that's a people but even if you have a heart attack i'm saying you have a heart i mean granted i've never seen a heart attack in real life but i've seen plenty of life alert

commercials you're not leaping forward over a railing if you have a heart attack no you're just your your knees give out right yeah you grabbed your arm for some reason if anything wouldn't you fall backwards yeah probably yeah you definitely wouldn't go over rail it's it's it's kind of crazy how decentralized the media is now today and how like I think there is still a lot of power in that sort of stuff but you know I could just tweet those nuclear documents yeah yeah exactly yeah but you know who knows if you get deleted immediately yeah then your dick's ending up online literally within a minute yeah all right so so um Epstein meets Jolene uh-huh and I was I always fuck up her name I always go back and everywhere though every single one of her lawyers pronounces

Gillane differently. Yeah. Really? Yeah. Well, it's a French name, and it's like, have you ever tried to pronounce la unf font? You know what's weird, though, is that French person I know pronounces it Gilae. Geline. And they're French.

And I'm like, but she says Gilein. Yeah. I looked it up because I was butchering it. Yeah. And I got Gilein. Yeah. I think it's Gilein as I was, but like, I just call Glein. Gilly the kid.

American. So, so they met, they met sometime around 19, late 80s. 80s, yeah. The first photo of them together is actually in New York at a sort of like celebration of Robert Maxwell's life, like a memorial, but also for his wife, Elizabeth Maxwell, like it's sort of like a celebration of both of them. And there's a photo of them sitting next to each other. So it looks like they're already pretty chummy. However, during this trial, the flight logs got presented. And so we've already seen most of the flight logs or a lot of the flight logs, but there's several pages that we actually haven't seen. And they're all blacked out because they're not pertinent? And even, yeah. Well, no, the prosecution was so lazy with their redactions. Wow. Yeah. This is what they said.

We're, oh, we just wanted to do it the quickest way. So they literally redacted every person's name. Yeah. In the new flight logs that they submitted. The judge, rightfully so, was like, no, you guys got to go back and just redact the, like, names of the victims. Because that makes sense. Yeah. The other people don't have a claim in this case.

And so they're supposed to submit to public record. these flight logs without that redacted. Quick question, I fell victim to trial tracker. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The old fake news, fake out. I don't, like, to me as seeing it, I saw like, you know, you follow a bunch of different journalists you're trying to do it, but like for some reason.

I haven't collated in one place. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's good, yeah. I didn't, I never clicked on the guy's substack. I didn't know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But so stuff that was going, and it's good that we should correct this now because I did say, you would follow this Twitter. Yeah. But, so one of the things. things they said was that they had um comys daughter is on the prosecution yeah yeah she's leading

the prosecution marine combe and then the judge uh and they also talked about the um alice and nathan the judge alison nathan the judge and basically they're trying to push this narrative that everything sort of in everyone's involved and it's going to be like yeah i see i mean the here's the thing is like the federal we're actually just talking about this earlier today is like The federal government has actually literally already covered this up. Yeah. Really? Yeah.

In Florida. I mean, they really did the footwork on that. Yeah. I mean, this was back. So, I mean, I feel like should we go here now or we'll just get into it? Yeah, yeah. When Epstein first gets arrested, sort of. Yeah.

It's in conjunction with crimes in Palm Beach. There's like some girls that basically a mother calls the local Palm Beach police and is like, hey, this guy paid my daughter $300 to, for a massage. My daughter's like 15. What the fuck? Yeah. And the Palm Beach police are like, okay, we're going to look into it. Because Epstein has that huge mansion in Palm Beach.

They come up with like 30 victims on the record. All like all throughout Palm Beach, there's like stuff going on at the local high school. There's reports of Gilae acting as a procurer for him at the local high school, bringing girls to his house. molesting them, sexually assaulting them, even some cases of rape, like some horrific, horrific shit. So at this point, the feds also get involved because when you're looking at a crime of that level and when there's potential trafficking charges because he's maybe flying girls from New York to Florida, that's crossing state lines, now it's federal crime.

So the feds get involved and they prepare this indictment that's like 53 pages along with an 83 page, memorandum, like specifying all these charges, no one ever sees it because, and this is where this cover up begins, the feds, and this is unheard of, are basically like, you know what, we don't want to try this case. We're going to kick it to the state, which makes absolutely no sense. The state then files what's called it non-prosecution agreement. This is like very, very weird, where the federal government says, we're not going to prosecute you and we're not going to prosecute any unnamed co-conspirators who could possibly ever be named in conjunction with this case. So if it came out that you were at Epstein's house doing this stuff with Epstein and you're like,

I did it. You could not be prosecuted. So it's like not only get out of jail free for you, but also all your boys. Yes. And what is the what is the what is the legal justification they have in doing something like that? So that's real that's a really good question. And no one really knows. The only case like NPAs are used when usually it's like okay I've made I'm guilty but I'm making a plea deal with the government because we're going to kick it up to someone up higher who's going to you know I'm going to testify against them. So it would be like oh that's what a plea deal is. I'm not going to be prosecuted because whatever. This is like unheard of. Yeah. It's so unheard of that they're like trying to still challenge it. They're petitioning the

Supreme Court right now. One of the victims is petitioning this to be like totally thrown out because it's so unheard of. So let's speculate why that might be. So I just want to bring up Alexander a caution. Yeah, let's talk about him. Yeah, yeah. Go ahead, Bill. Sorry, I was just grabbing the water. It's getting hot in here.

Everybody have a water. Everyone's water break. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm watered up. This thing's good. It's got a wide mouth so you can pee in it. It's great dip. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Spinning it.

That goes the jewel. That's the most addictive thing ever done, by the way, Jewling. It's so fucked up. I quit I quit Sig's too. I quit Juuling smoking analog cigarettes. Fuck. I got me awful. I was thinking about doing that again. Yeah. Sigs rock, baby. They do.

You look so cool when you smoke, though? Fuck it. You really, when you put in your mouth and take a puff, but you release your fingers. The best. Insane. You know, you know how I quit dip and how? Basically, you get your favorite flavor. Yeah. You take a spoonful of it. And you got to set a day aside. But it's worth it. In the long run, you got to take a

day aside just you know a day that you can just spend being miserable and you just swallow a spoonful of dip and then you're done a teacher my high school made a kid eat a cigarette once because of that shit yeah no it was big i there's a story not going to name any of the names but basically a young teacher walked in on a kid dipping at a uh like a high school it was like a boarding school and if you got caught dipping it like was counted as like drugs and you can get kicked out and he goes i'm not going to tell anybody but you got to swallow that dip right Jesus Christ. But it worked.

But, like, it gets them off it. I mean, you know, ends justify the means. Yeah. Oh, my God. Wow. Good for you. I'm going to start dipping. It's not as cool as smoking signal.

I try to dip for a second high school. It didn't work. The coolest part about dipping is when you have the tin in your pocket and you can see the circle. Oh, yeah. That's by far the coolest. Yeah. But, you know, then you have to like walk around. It was really cool in high school.

Yeah. Yeah. After that, it's like, like, packing dips like random times where you're like not supposed to. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, like trying to like kiss someone. You're just like, oh, sorry, wait. That is cool in a business meeting when you walk in with a transparent. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Just speeding into that.

Yeah, yeah. Uh, sorry, Bill. So here's so. Yeah, so at the time, he was the U.S. attorney for Southern District of Florida. Yes. He stayed to a Trump transition interviewer that I was told Epstein belonged to intelligence and to leave it alone and that Epstein was above his pay grade. Yeah.

So Alex Acosta was the U.S. attorney down in Miami. Southern District of Florida at the time. And he was the one who was in charge of negotiating this plea deal with Epstein's lawyers, this non-prosecution agreement. And so he got, you know, this all came out with, you know, during, when he was a labor secretary for Trump. And, you know, he ended up having to resign. All these people looked into it. Funny enough, when they were, when DOJ was investigating, like, you know, okay, they're investigating what they did. I mean, I don't know how they. Look at the phone records from five years ago. Well, it turns out that actually a year of Acosta's emails while he was

negotiating that very same plea deal where, oops, gone, deleted due to a technical difficulty. Very weird. A lot of technical difficulties. It's pretty much impossible to delete an email too. Yeah, they're up in heaven with Hillary's emails. Yeah. Looking down at all the other emails fondly.

Yeah, but people always say like, but her emails derisively, I really still want to see what her email. I'm like literally show me those emails. I actually would like to know what they are. Well, she just got a masterclass. I know, I took it. You took her? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I honestly think her baby eating technique is pretty rough. Oh, I've, you know, I've seen a lot of amateurs before much better than her. She doesn't clean the bones. No, no, no, no. She didn't treat like a chicken wing. That's disgrace, yeah. How's her IT? Oh, awful.

Well, it's half of it is her French kissing Huma Abidding, which I thought was delightful. What did y'all think of her? What did y'all think of her reading her acceptance speech? Insane. Yeah, that's like, it's so crazy. It's the second most cringiest thing I've seen Hillary do. What's just saying a lot? The first thing, and then she didn't even do it.

She was just there. Just watch Mary Jake Blyde sing to Hillary Clinton. Oh. It is one of the cringiest shit you'll ever see. I would love. I've never seen that. The just chilling, I'm just chilling in Cedar Rapids was pretty bad. I love that.

With the coosy. The hot sauce in my bag. And this wasn't her. This wasn't her. This was her team. But in Africa, they call her sister Hillary was one of the most insane things I've ever seen in my life. Wait, what? Even if that's true.

So they put out when she was like running, they put out some big story that was like about. Because they were saying the Clinton initiative, you know, all the horrible shit that they did in Africa. All that stuff was coming up during her, uh, during her. when she was, yeah, presidential run, thank you. Remember when he bought that soap factory there? Yeah. Yeah, so they like planted this story that was like, it literally is called in Africa. They call her sister Hillary.

Oh, my God. Who's called? What lady in Nigeria is like, oh, sister Hillary's running in America? I love that lady. I kind of respect the audacity of it. Incredible. Like, let's just go for you. Or wait, 10 ways Hillary's like your abuela too?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that was pretty good. Yeah. I just think that, like, her talking about the election still is like, I'm just like, girl, you have to move on. Literally, Joe Biden's president now. She's doing the Earth 2 thing. Yeah. That everybody got made fun of for doing like, oh God.

It just reminds me of like a girlfriend who will not stop talking about her breakup, where it's just like, you have to let it go. Like, he's moved on. We've moved on. It's been five years, 10 years. Like, Trump's not president anymore either. Like, neither of you are president. Like, how long am I supposed to feel sorry for somebody who didn't get to become president? Exactly.

Zero seconds. Zero seconds. I could not negative seconds Like go take care of your fucking dying husband Lady Have you seen him lately He looks

He looks dead We really need a lot He's not well We need some younger politicians I think we can all agree that How do they survive this long? Incredible Well that's the

Adrida crom Yeah yeah Like a capri son My buddy has some Adrenochrome That I am trying to try No, we already talked about this But what if it turns you evil?

What if it turns you evil? I'm just going to do a little bit No, no, no, no, no. We talked about this, you're not touching that. I immediately put on like a oversized leather jacket Round sunglasses and smoking it. No, I don't know, where did he get? What?

He got. Okay, yo, I'm, I'm gonna do. What is it drain a cone? Oh, man, this is. Let me take you back to the Middle Ages. It's the thing is this stuff's so crazy and there's just so much, like, crazy. Well, Billy just knows about it from a standpoint of if you can use it as a supplement to work out.

That's how Billy gets into all substances. No, no, no. I don't actually, I actually purposely avoid all of this, like, those types of, like, readings and stuff on it. Bodybuilding forums? Well, no, I love bodybuilding forms, but they don't, but they don't even know about the adrainicrums. That's where you get the real information. That's the, like, second level bodybuilding forum. You have to get, like, a certain level, and they let you into the adrenal crum.

the 4chan of bodybuilding for them so like reddit is bodybuilding forum and then there's a 4chan bodybuilding yeah yeah like it's hard to find well so adrenachrome is well naturally occurring substance two kinds of adrenachrome i would say there's the adrenachrome that exists that we know about which i'm not actually sure what it's actual like supposed to be used for i i i purposely have not read this because i don't want to read about all of it and then like literally get like i think just start believing it from what i've seen it's like the way that mommy bloggers say apple cider vinegar can do anything. Yeah. It's like just a little bit of

adrenachrome make your skin. But Hunter Hunter S. Thompson wrote about it in in fucking Fear and Lothian Las Vegas. He's like mentioned taking adrenachrome and going crazy. So adrenachrome I don't know what it's actually supposed to be used for or it's been a long time since I looked

at anything about it, but it can possibly cause like schizophrenia type symptoms. But during like the Pizza Gate thing, the whole thing was is that they were harvesting adrenate chrome, which is caused, which occurs when children feel fear, you can suck it out of them and then use it to rejuvenate yourself. And so much of the world's synthetic supply of adrenachrome comes from Wuhan, China.

And so when the Wuhan ultra virus hit these shores and shipping was shut down, people were like, this is it. Trump's closing in. The cabal is going down. He just shut down the adrenachrome supplies. Yeah. That's when they were like, oh, my God, Ellen looks piquid. Yeah.

So quick, quick Wikipedia paragraph, Adrenochrome is a chemical compound produced by the oxidation of adrenaline. Yeah. Yeah. It was the subject from limited research from the 1950s through to 1970s. It's potential cause of schizophrenia. While it has no current medical application, the related derivative compound, Carbazochrome is a haemostatic medication, despite this compound's name.

It is unrelated to the element of chromium. Instead, the chrome suffix indicates a relationship to color as pure adrenachrome is defiled. That sounds evil. as fuck yeah it's basically like the chrome colors if like the limitless drug was sucked out of babies yeah that's like what it that's like the idea of a I don't know what my mind

was this but like monsters ink weren't they just go in places trying to scare kids they were harvesting like that's the most like yeah I op way to inject the it clown too was doing that oh god that's what Hollywood does yeah their downfall will be their symbolism but but PizzaGate seems to think

it's most like a skin care thing uh huh it's like you take some adrenachrome and you live longer, but I'm like, the people that you point out as examples of this look worse than almost any human being. If Bill Clinton's on adrenachrome, then fucking, I spoke a three packs a day from now on. He looks awful. John Kerry takes adrenachrome three times a day. Exactly.

Yeah. You ever seen that picture of him and Assad? No. It's good. It's him and his wife eating dinner with Al-Massad. I think John Kerry is a classic example of guy that's so ugly that some people find him attractive. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Any woman that wants to fuck John Kerry also will. would have sex with the horse under the right circumstances. But also so boring, people assume he's got nothing to hide. Yeah, true. Like Mitt Romney, he's so boring, people don't pay attention to him. Yeah. This is a sod. I know.

If you're a sod, wouldn't you be like, dude, what the fuck? I think he was like that. Yeah, it's John. This looks like the most boring dinner ever, too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well. Yeah. I mean, that stuff's just freaky shit.

Yeah, but, Billy, you know that you'd freebase adrenica chroma from it. No. You get, like, two extra pounds of gains. If you get hit it off a meth pipe, I'd do it. Dude, like, if these, why aren't any of these people jacked? That's what we got to, like, cross over and then just start now that, like, all athletes are on Adrenica. Like, just, like, let's smash up all the. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Which, like, for real, though, like, why doesn't Bill Clinton take HGH? Yeah, exactly. Like, like, why doesn't each, like, why does it, what's it called? Burn and Cruz? I mean, what's the, Arnold's on it? Yeah, yeah. But Arnold was unanabolic, right? That's different.

Right. But what's crazy is all these guys, so like, let's say the most famous Roy, guys who've done roids. Like Sylvester Stallone, Arnold Schwarzenegger, like, all these guys, everyone's like, oh, kill you. All these guys are still alive. Yeah. Not only alive, though. Arnold Schwarzenegger became the fucking governor. Yeah.

Which also, what the whole? I was just hanging out inside with his like little Shetland sheep that just rolled out. Oh, Jose Canseco. Big time. Okay. Well, that did drive kind of driving crazy. Yeah, so. But made him an amazing poster.

Yeah. You guys might not know this, but the guy that beat up Jose Canseco in that boxing match, that's Billy. Billy knocked Jose Canseco out. You beat up Jose Canseco? Yeah. It's a long story. Yes. Sounds like I just heard the entirety of it.

Yeah. Avery, pull up the picture of him just wailing on Jose Canseco's face. It's awesome. Jamie, pull up a picture up real quick. Yeah. Yeah. So Hulk Hogan's older than my father. and he's still like

he's 68 oh my god see that's Billy just beating the fuck out of Jose Kizka Jesus he's like crying I didn't even see him there

Billy like murder what the fuck is wrong with you man I didn't realize that I didn't realize at the time he was talking to all this like I basically he we have a boxing promotion

run up get done up tell him Billy yeah we had a box Promotion at this company. It's called Rough and Routy. Yeah, yeah. Jose Caneco, you know, was a, you know, he does a bunch of celebrity boxing matches.

Anyway, he was talking shit about my boss. My boss was like, I have kids. Please don't hurt me. Because he had once challenged him and like my boss once challenged him to a boxing match like five years ago before he became a father and everything. So he tapped you in. So he was like, hell yeah. Anyway, he's juiced of the gills. I kind of thought I, you know, when you're in that.

headspace you're really there's zero mercy exactly now I'd like I used to work at a boxing gym yeah you wake up you like realize like that just happened you're like holy shit that I just like you come too I gave beat up old man Jose Canseco's CTE yeah yeah yeah already had it yeah yeah fair enough but yeah no did you guys like talk after was he like it was weird could he talk after yeah no so the thing was he realized that basically what happened is he didn't take a dive he would have given a better show if he could it just realized he like his blood pressure before he went to the ring was like something insane. It was like 2.20 over

I heard this. I heard this at the next like this whoever sanctioned him to fight should never, he could have stroked down the ring. Yeah, dude. Yeah, so I didn't know that at the time. So he threw, dude, what if you killed? It was actually very close. I mean, you saw the picture. He looked like he was dying.

Oh my God. He almost killed. That means you get his record. Oh, like it passed this from one. Yeah. Predator gets your kill. I get his MVP. Get all his home runs. Everything. Yeah. That's why more sports players should be taken out because people should know that. If you kill someone, you get every accomplishment they ever did in their life. The thing is, someone kills you.

It's a horrible. Horrible idea. I think that's what Javaris Krittenden was trying to do Gilbert Arenas at one time. That's why boxers go so crazy because if they win, they get all the other guys wins. Yeah. Well, you know what? So what I've been looking into this, traumatic brain injury really damages the pituitary gland, where HGH is produced.

So a lot of these guys, you get hit in the head so much, they, like, slowly degenerate, like, not only their bodies. Well, that would make sense when you look at, I mean, look at, like, Muhammad Ali and what happened to him. And HGH is so, play such a big role in mental health. Yeah. That it's kind of like, you kind of see. That gets real scary when you start looking at, like, the CTE stuff, too.

Yeah. Which, what's creepy is, like, we talk with a lot of different athletes that are, like, at the tail end of their career sometimes. And they start to think. because everyone is saying like every sign of cognitive decline must be CTE at this point. Yeah. They, a lot of former athletes get very paranoid that anything that they forget. Like they forget a word or something.

And then it becomes like a spiral. Yeah, sure. And then it becomes more mental. They might not have it. I mean, a lot of former players do it. It's sad to see like they saw the brains that were donated. I think it was like 95% of people who thought that they had CTE. Had it.

Had it. Now that number gets like confirmed. fused a lot by people that are saying like 95% of football players have CTE. Yeah. But so the people that either took their own life or were in very, very bad condition at the end of their life that thought that they had CTE. For the most part, they're right. I had read a while ago that it was, I think it was at Harvard or MIT, one of the big schools

studying it, that they were like really close to being able to diagnose in live subjects, which would be a kind of a game changer for the NFL. You know who might have financed? that research? Oh, yeah. Jeffrey fucking Epstein. That's true. Brains. Yeah. We'll be back to Brace and Liz in a second. Hey, are you feeling frustrated after getting rejected for a credit card or personal loan? It happens way too often. It actually happened to me. That's why Credit Karma is changing the way people find and apply for credit cards in loans. Whether refinancing credit card debt or paying for an upcoming expense, Credit Karma uses your credit data to show your fresh personal loan offers that are personalized to you. Are you ready to apply? head to credit karma.com slash loan offers and see personalized offers with your approval odds right now. Go to credit karma.com dash loan offers to find the loan for you. That's credit karma.com slash loan offers.

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Oh, yeah. We're like a gambling company now, yeah. What should I gamble? Literally everything. Responsible. I don't know much about it. Yeah, but no, yeah, I'm responsible for my own money. I retired from gambling about a month ago, but I still give out picks because I want to tell people like what I think is going to happen.

Yeah. I haven't lost a single bet since I lost all my money in retired. You have, you can't, yeah, oh, yeah, fair enough. I haven't lost. Oh, no, okay. I'm still giving them out. Yeah. I'm 13 and 0 after I stopped betting.

Now, aren't you mad that you stopped betting? Yeah, I am very mad that I stopped. People don't understand this. This is what people, everyone talks about like, oh, I know, that's what I know. If you just keep gambling long enough, you not only make back your money, but you will be one of the richest people in the world. The problem is, people go to Vegas for a weekend. They stop gambling on like Sunday afternoon. That's literally not how you play the odds.

That's how odds work. Dumbass. You just gamble forever. People get so fucking on my back. If you keep doubling down repeatedly, eventually, you will get it all back. He's, all right, so, all right, you know what I'm talking about. You'll not, the player always wins. If you lose $100 on a roulette spin, you put $200 on the next one, and eventually, you will hit one.

Liz, do you know how much money you make on a $200 bet on a roulette spin? $32,000. Well, well, I'm talking just black or red, not another. Oh, no, I'm going numbers. It's like, it's not that, you know, the time just ran out. It's just he didn't lose the fight. Exactly. Yeah, because you run out.

Yeah. I got to take a leak. You got to go, Pete. All right. So, where were we? That was like a record long side tangent. And basically our entire podcast is usually just side tangent. That was Billy's ass rubbing up against the microphone, ladies.

Epstein, plea deal. Yeah, plea deal. So Acosta, by the way, how much time do you guys have? I don't know what time. I'm good. Okay. All right. We're good too.

Just want to make sure. Okay. You guys are good? Yeah, we're good. I'm enjoying this. Yeah. No, no, no. It's, yeah.

Okay. So Epstein, he gets the plea deal. Yeah. Acosta is, is he intimately involved in the plea deal? Or is he just generally aware of it? No, he's the one who's like basically takes the fall, takes the ownership of the plea deal. The thing that's interesting is that so when all that shit was going down, when he was when he was Trump's labor secretary, Trump like trotted him out in a kind of press conference

for him to like deal with it a little bit. And he says that it's like a direct quote where he says, you know, oh, I've seen the headlines about the case 12 years ago talking about the Epstein plea deal. And, you know, I'm, you know, I want everyone to be aware that there were like, various people were involved. There was like levels of people in the DOJ that had input and oversight over that deal, which is like a very interesting thing to say. He's basically saying that like, no, no, no, no, no, this wasn't my decision but look he was a u.s. attorney for the southern district in florida of southern florida whatever and uh his direct or he directly reported to the assistant or the deputy attorney general

who directly reports to the attorney general like these are their dudes so you're talking about like high high high level of doj which i think at the time the attorney general was mcasey i think was the guy i don't fucking know how do you but also at the same time i'm like a steel trap The FBI director, who also would have been involved, I mean, this is DOJ, was Robert Mueller, right? Recurring character of our lives. He's putting out the new edition. Yeah. Yeah.

We need to get one of his kids involved in this. It stopped at DOJ, right? I mean, it's basically, that's if it stopped just two levels higher than him. You know, I think something like this. And it's true, like, it's hard to overstate this MPA, not enough attention has been paid to this fucking agreement. like it is literally unprecedented there is no precedent for this to like the crimes that he was accused of yeah yeah it sounds like some pretty good evidence because it also basically violates it completely violates the crime victims rights act yes yeah yeah which basically says

that victims need to be notified if the prosecution is going to like create it's going to like work a deal like you have to be notified that that's happening the federal government never notified any of the victims which is how they were able to sue to get the thing released yeah Because that's the reason we only know about the fucking MPA because one of Epstein's victims sued and the feds had to be like, oh, our bad, yeah. Funny you should ask us about that. We actually already struck a deal with him. Yeah. Sorry.

Yeah, we talked to him. Boy stuff, you know. And the crazy thing is, too, is that, I mean, like Liz said, it was 30 victims? 30 victims, yeah, in that, in that case. So what he actually goes down for is one count of solicit. take two counts two counts of solicitation of prostitution from a minor

which by the way minors can't be prostitution but minors can't consent to sex that's an unusual way to frame it yeah I don't I think they actually like change that law too because people are like oh it's yeah it's like finding that loophole in the like the place

in Montana in Yellowstone Park where you can kill somebody yeah it's like a 25 mile like zone where you can do can you still do that that got closed because of a little hunting rights thing fuck dude It had to do it, like, literally an elk, shot elk. Oh, my, well, someone had to do it. I think the guy who did it.

I was about to get on my Gabby Petito shit. No, but for real, have you ever, ever heard of the federal government being like, man, this is a huge case. We would love to do it, but we don't feel like it. Let's let the state handle it. My stummy hoods. I don't want to do it. Oh, the feds are so famous for working like hand in hand so closely with local law enforcement, loving those guys.

never wanting to take on a case themselves, let alone a big blockbuster sex trafficking. These are jurisdiction guys, right? Any guy with jurisdiction loves his jurisdiction and hates all the other ones. Because if you don't use your jurisdiction, it goes away. You know, in movies, every time an FBI comes up is like, we're taking over this investigation. The local cops like, put, put, put, put, put. And then they get attached to like this is like reverse. Exactly.

They're like, imagine if the FBI came up like, damn, you seem really stupid. You're going to do it. They all want the big bus. Exactly. Like, you know, you have, their careerists. Examples of, you know, like CIA or whatever, looking into like mosques. And then the mosque calls the government like, yo, there's someone here trying to get some of our younger. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And the guy is like an FBI or CIA j and trying to like catch the next terrorist drink. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Damn, right? Yeah. Yeah. They're like, or they're trying to, they're trying to get people to do it. So they can get, they can pad. Everyone's stat patting.

That's the fucking thing is. It's like, once you really open your eyes, you see stat patters everywhere. Yeah, because everyone doesn't want to get fired. Exactly. Everyone wants to get a promotion and get a gold watch in 50 years. Exactly. And so he gets charged with like two bullshit counts, even with only two counts of this with like literally dozens of victims. And I mean, there's way more than that than we're even, you know, actually involved in the case.

You know, they've since identified like dozens more. But he goes to jail for less time than the guy who actually stole the black book. So his, the person, the reason we have the black book is because his ex, like, Butler stole it and tried to sell it to the prosecution, which rookie move because those, they do work for the government. Yeah. They arrested him. That guy got, did six more months in jail than Epstein did. I admire his moxie, though. Absolutely.

I got the stolen thing. I'm going to sell it to a cop. I think it was like 40K or 25K. It's like, that's not even that much. Like, they should have just pay, I don't know, just pay him. Yeah, just call up, uh, what's that website? Is it still like Tyler Darden writes for. What?

Oh, zero hedge? Yeah, just called zero hedge. Liz writes for that. Yeah, zero hedge. They'll publish anything. Absolutely. You write for zero hedge? No.

A woman can dream. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But, um, so Epstein does, I mean, plea deal aside, or excuse me, NPA aside, his, like, time in jail is better than most of any of our lives probably out of jail. It's like Goodfellas. Beyond, imagine if they let them. Exactly. Which, by the way, I guess.

I guess that doesn't work. No, it doesn't. It looks so good, though, when it hits the pen. It turns out you just burn the shit out of the car. Yeah, it's too thin. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But he's out of jail for 12 hours a day to go to work at a foundation that he set up right before he goes into work in a giant office building that the police cannot enter. And that is like staff with maybe some like 19 year old girls.

And so he's literally having sex while a cop waits outside downstairs. Like protecting him for many. that would come in and interrupt his sex. He's like going home. He's going out to dinner with people. And then he gets back to the Palm Beach County lockup, which he gets to be in like a nicer wing that I guess you can pay for, which again,

I've been to jail. There's never been like an option like a for 60 bucks. Like they've never upcharge me in jail. They just send you to jail. Right. It's just jail. It's just jail like other jail. In Palm Beach,

there's just another jail that's nicer. And his door's unlocked and like he can basically do whatever he wants. That doesn't sound like jail. No, that just sounds like a building. Yeah. The doors unlocked, go in and out when you please. You can have sex. You just stay there, I guess, you know?

And he has a lot of visitors during this time. I think he's just in a hotel. Yeah. It's just like a Sheraton. Yeah. Well, Sheraton's not great. No. Kind of breakfast is trash.

I know, but it's jail. It's probably analogous. Yeah. And then he gets out. And so it's, you know, it's like, it's 2007. he gets out, right, or 2008? I think it's 2008, 2007, 2008, yeah. And that's when he really starts going all in on, like, science stuff.

Yeah, because basically he's like, ah, shit, like, I just did jail and some people don't really want to talk to me anymore. Like, he's not as tight with the Clintons, who that was really who was tight with in, let's say, late 90, I mean, in the heyday of the Clintons. Yeah, yeah, let's back up a little bit because late 90s, he always, so he had the place down Florida, but he also had the ranch. Yeah, Zoro Ranch, New Mexico. When did he get that?

96, was it? I love how you're looking at me like that. It was 94, 96, something around that. Yeah, mid-90s. Yeah. And he just wanted, like, a remote location that he could take people to, to do, like, getaways or off-site symposium. Yeah, he had some, like, horrific, tacky, like, Wild West set on there. It's just, like, a huge plot of land.

I got to say, New Mexico, weird state. Weird state. That's where Aryan's from. Some weird shit happens there, man I bet I was beautiful I'm from Albuquerque Okay Yeah, that's the only city that has people in it

I think yeah, that's from what I understand Well, Epstein's ranch right is right near also This giant Scientology vault That can apparently be seen from space Although I've actually never tried to look But it's like the vault where all their secret records are kept Or like they can't even go there But he is really involved in

Who was that the Santa Fe Institute? Santa Fe Institute, which does some kind of weird, I don't know. Which for book fans, Cormac McCarthy also a member. But I do a little bit of like dabbling and esoteric science. Absolutely, yeah. And so did Epstein out there. I mean, his whole thing is there's reporting about how he was trying to, floating this idea if he can inseminate 20 girls a day to repopulate the earth.

Yeah, so basically. Repopulate, by the way, which begs the question, when did it depop. Yeah. How early did he know about coronavirus? Bill Gates was like, chill, man. I'm working here. Well, that's what they were planning on the island. Well, maybe he thought it was going to happen earlier, but Bill Gates was stat patty.

Yeah. No, basically some of his, some huge, like, high-ranking geneticists at Harvard stuff, like, basically were like, scientists need funding for important work. If the funding is for illegitimate scientific work, there's nothing wrong with accepting support from a billionaire. However, it would be wrong for scientists to accept his funding if they were aware that he was planning a eugenics experiment that might draw. legitimate draw legitimacy from his associate with him this is professor george church met

yeah yeah some of his funding he wanted access to geneticists yes and he's like yo like that's where they're that's where the line is we found it yeah here's millions of dollars i just want to sit down with you guys just run something by you yeah okay so i have this ranch yeah yeah yeah genetics in general as a discipline i mean there's a lot of fine lines there it goes yeah real quick. Yeah, absolutely. It's real hard to kind of like, you know, find whatever that, whatever that ethical line is.

Right. Ethics and genetics is just like, it's pretty, whoever's the loudest one in the room. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's, it's inevitable. Yeah, yeah, I, I fully agree with that, especially like CRISPR stuff. We had a guy, we're going to start with like,

genetic, like Huntington's disease like that. Like that were cancer or stuff like that. And then we're going to go on to like attributes that are desirable. Yeah. Bigger nose. Bigger noses on Jewish guys. Suddenly they're like, oh, look at this one trait we find in all these types of people. It's like, that's where it goes. It's real quick. It's fornology for the tech set. I mean, they can cure lactose intolerant so my bloodline can have a nice glass of milk. I just like to be three inches taller. I'm not asking for the world. What are you working with? Depending on what shoes, depending on what shoes I'm wearing. The ones you like the best. So the ones I like, these are really comfortable. Just like slippers, basically. I'm probably. five eight five eight and a half right now

I just like five eleven so I could lie and say I was I was six feet tall yeah I don't actually you know I just do that already yeah just say you're six people can't the technology still isn't exactly there for that yeah I just tell girls I'm six too I'm like no that guy who's like actually six I'm like he's seven

four he's in the NBA crazy yeah also he is Marfa's disease which Joey Ramone and Abraham Lincoln had which means he's probably got a really skinny fucked up dick too and a real high pitch voice And a high-pitched voice. There's a lot of hares.

It's a lot of hater vibes right there, though, man. Let's say it's 6-2 and keep it moving, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's all guys. Extra chromosome, X, Y, Y. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I can tell he's got the syphilis that you can't cure. So he's got the pond.

He's got Zoro Ranch. He's got the townhouse. He's got the Palm Beach House. But that's also when he gets the island. Yes. And I got to say, much like the guys in suits with Uzi's, the guys, if any guys, has a private island

you just bet on barstool bets.com that he is doing something fucked up out there yeah ladies if your man has a private island red flag yes that's probably true you are in middle school

I don't know I'm trying to think who has an island no but he has an island he said too dude but here's the thing now now because of Epstein everyone who owns an island

it's like I don't own an island yeah like oh that now island It's bad. It's not cool anymore. You used to want to buy it. Exactly. You used to be chill. No one really knew why.

Yeah. So what's the new thing that you like? You want to buy an isthmus? A spaceship. Yeah. Rock. It's a new thing. Absolutely.

Yeah. Because honestly. NFTs. NFTs. Well, so he's got this island. Little St. She's actually got two. He's got Little St. James and great St.

James. But obviously he likes Little St. James a little more. And this is where you know, and this is going back to the 90s. He's hosting. He's hosting scientific conferences there. He's having a lot of wealthy visitors come there. And he's also having, according to testimony from some of these girls, girls flown in from

Eastern Europe. And so, like, we know a lot of the testimony of the American victims of Jeffrey Epstein, some British ones too. And there's French people that have sort of come forward as well. But a big missing puzzle of this is there is a huge component of girls that come from Eastern Europe. And one of them that we know about is a woman named Nadia Marchinkova or Nadia Marchingova. or Nadia Marchinko, she kind of, she's changed it a couple of times, who is rumored to have purchased from, I believe, former Yugoslavia in the 1990s in her early teenage years.

Purchased. Purchased. Yes. That's confirmed straight up. Well, there's no like receipt or anything, but that's, that was the terminology used in, like, reporting on it is purchased. And so Jeffrey Epstein was friends with a guy. And this is how sort of, I think this probably came about because she is, she's a very beautiful woman. I mean, she's, she's, you know, she's still around.

She worked for him for a long time. And so, but so I think it was probably via modeling, because Jeffrey Epstein sort of fancied himself. He had a modeling agency. Wexner. Exactly. Yeah, he would go. Yeah, precisely. One of the, one of the, when girls would be crying, leaving Epstein's townhouse.

Yeah. Wasn't Galane, who would talk to like the drivers, people wearing. They're like, oh, she didn't get the modeling. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Totally. But, but Epstein was. also friends with this guy named Jean-Luc Brunel who is a

I don't know how to describe him in one sentence but a modeling agent in every worst way that you can mean that. Yeah. Wait a second. I just got a flashback. Did anybody ever in malls know those people who used to like be like, oh

do you want to be a child model? Yeah. Is that like, am I crazy or that was a thing? That was a thing. They'd be like, do you want to do a fashion show. It was like a fashion show for Clairs or Old Navy or something like that. Yeah, totally. Or the limited to. Yeah. Okay.

So am I two conspiracy brain being like, holy shit, they're involved? No, because I was like their parents were there and it was just like walked down the stage. I think a general modeling, like the modeling world is pretty horrific. Like maybe it's not so much at like the local, like local malls. Although you go kind of move up the food chain and that's how a lot of girls get discovered. A lot of beautiful girls get discovered is at these kind of local events, right? whether it's in America or overseas or whatever but I mean the agency and I want to use like big quotation marks around that that these guys were running Brunel and Epstein like the shit that they were doing was horrific yeah yeah I mean was MC2 MC2 yeah which is like there was the whole thing about E equals MC squared that Epstein had I don't know it was very stupid it's so stupid that I I think it's true that like, oh, it's like E.Ego Times Zy Square, but there's that he's a silent partner.

But Brunel was a like a modeling like a talent, basically like a talent scout for decades in like France and stuff. And he hung out with like John Casablanca, the guy from the Strokes is dad. And like all these other like that I lean forward and elite models and all these fucking like, you know, the big names. But he was also like, like even more than Epstein in that world like a notorious. rapist. No, he was like such a big rapist that 60 Minutes did an episode on how big of a rapist he was in the 80s.

Yeah. Oh, Jesus. Well, that's really... Everyone was like rapes fake. That's really Yeah. And like, and he, but he kept going. This guy's got a real cocaine problem. Exactly. Well, they showed that too, actually. The guy showed him doing blow in it. Yeah. Just fact checked. So it turns out the mall modeling agencies, the scam

was just to get you to buy courses. That makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. Like beauty model. Fuck. That's actually, I With all these conspiracy things. I'm going to do that, but with podcasting. I hear it. And I'm like, oh, shit, are there like a bunch of, you know, child traffickers in malls across America just looking to get these people? But then I got to be like, okay, okay, let's be rational.

Let's search it up. How is this a scam? Okay. It's a scam. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I have to literally go through these mental things because I'm like a 22 year old on the internet. I'm getting seen all this type of shit. Yeah.

You're seeing all this stuff in the news. Like, how do you connect the dots and not like. Proudity. Radical. Absolutely. Yeah. Well, it's, I mean, so Epstein buys this, buys this girl probably via Brunel and brings her back to America. And like there's like, I mean, she basically stays with him for decades. In fact, I think she's one of the co-conspirators who's covered under the MPA. And like there's, I mean, she's the one that we know about. But there's like reports of like dozens of others that East 66 like apartment building you were talking about. Several of those apartments in that building were four girls. from out of the country that Epstein said, according to testimony from the accountant from the modeling agency, that

Epstein and Brunel could get fucking not only visas for, but American passports for via contact in the State Department. Yeah, the only way you can do that was with a very high level contact in the State Department. Dude, it's such a, it's hard to get a passport as an American citizen, dude. It's such a fucking hassle. Yeah. And some

crazy people moving in and out of that East 66. Kimball Musk's brother dated a girl who lived in that apartment. building like one of Epstein's girls for years. Wow. Yeah, I know. So I got a question. I'm going to jump in a gun.

Okay. So as a girl, wait. Hold on, hold on, man. Just real quick. And she can head this by the last. I just just real quick question. Um, or maybe not. Out of all like the big celebrity names that we know of,

how many are implicated in the child sex trafficking, uh, fiasco like how many like because i can you hear the flight logs you hear all the stuff yeah you guys were saying he had an island where he was doing science conferences trying to be clear his name so that doesn't necessarily indict everybody on his flight logs yeah how many do we know confirmed or or speculated to have gone down that path well i know prince andrew is the most confirmed of the confirmed ones you know what i mean like there's actual testimony from girls saying that he was involved um from multiple girls including him using a puppet of his likeness,

which is if you Google Prince Andrew spitting image, it is that puppet and it's fucking disgusting. But him, Alan Dershowitz, is confirmed to have participated, although, oh wait, actually, let me be clear. Alan Dershowitz is alleged by some victims to have participated in this, but I myself am not accusing you, Alan Dershowitz, if you hear this, please do not sue me. I'm a huge fan of your non-pedophile work.

If that work does exist on either side of this, please don't sue me. Quick sidebar, just found this photo recently. Yeah. You seen this? Yeah, that was released at the trial. Yeah. So it's Galane, Epstein, sitting in a log cabin. And then there's the queen mother and someone else sitting another old lady next to the queen

mother sitting at a log cabin. I can almost say it's definitely the log The same log cabin just from markings on the wood Oh for sure As well as the hill and trees in the background of the photo Wait so you said that was in the trial Yeah that was the photo came out in the trial So that's real that's real

So I sent it to because Billy loves things Okay I do a lot of research I sent it to our group message a few days ago And I was like this is for sure fake But it'll get Billy riled up Yeah so that's real That's real They put it on the screen of the trial

of the trial and the BBC reporters were definitely like this is the Queen's estate in Balmoral they already knew like off top because they're like sicko brits yeah yeah yeah I love the royal family other other people that have been sort of well confirmed but confirmed by just one victim or some some of them are corroborated is George Mitchell um can't remember who it was but the former I can't remember his exact name which Mitchell former head of the was it the CIA or the FBI? No, he was a, he was a New Mexican politician.

Wait, didn't he do the report on baseball? I think he did the report on PEDs and different George Mitchell. Yeah, different George Mitchell. Got it. And a former Spanish prime minister who I can't remember the fucking name of because I thought it was a different guy for a long time,

but it's almost assuredly this other guy. I'll get the name once I get my phone out. um but uh beyond that who else yeah yeah what yeah george day mitchell's the same one yeah god damn it he's why we can't have jack dudes in home runs because he was taking all the adrenica i think we i think we figure this out billy this is your patient zero so Jesus guys uh so so yeah so yeah you were saying like some people that have been confirmed by one or two sources of mitchell yeah yeah yeah yeah Mitchell um former politicians well he was a politician but i'm sorry american politician um beyond that like bill clinton is not confirmed by any of the victims he's confirmed to be on the

flights and he's confirmed well he's rumored to have been on the islands and at the ranch yeah um there's rumors of there's staff at the ranch who came out and said that bill and hillary vacations there yes which is very odd yeah just knowing the layout of that ranch to knowing it's like a weird fake Western set, basically. It's like, why would you go there on vacation? I may have missed this when I went out to pee real quick. And by the way, getting in and out of this room is so hard. I felt like Catherine Zeta Jones, what's that movie?

Where she's like diving between the lasers. Yeah, that's what I was thinking. I was like, I could be working for the CIA doing this shit. Yeah, but maybe you guys cover this. But how did the Clintons meet Jeffrey Epstein? Do we know that? I actually don't know. The Spanish politician was,

By the way, Jose Maria Aznar. Okay. Yeah. But who's got a really tied up with Al Gore. I don't actually know how they met either. I don't know. But I do think that possibly it could have been through Galane. I think it was through Galane because Liz is big on this.

It's exceedingly likely that Galane fucked Bill Clinton. Yes. Like almost like I'll go. I'll back that. Like with, yeah. There's like rumor. of them like law. How do we

rumors? And to split a tea, how do we notice? There's like a lot of like circa 90s tabloid speculation about Bill Clinton and Gillian Maxwell

canoodling in that like tabloid way they would talk about it at various eateries on the Upper East side. He's seen, not him personally, there was a party

that was thrown at Epstein's townhouse I believe a dinner party for Ron Burkle, who's Clinton's like right-hand guy. Like, you cannot get to Bill Clinton without going through Ron Burkle.

This is in the 90s. This is like when he was present. And like he'll send Berkel out. Like if Clinton's fucking a girl, he sends Berkel out to like take her shopping and shit like that. Like, he's like, he's his shooter. Yeah, his bag man. So try to rationalize this.

If I was trying to sell tabloids in the 90s, and Bill Clinton just got caught with the whole scandal and everything. I'd definitely be just writing tons of articles of who else. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, Galane wasn't that big of a name, though. That's the thing. It's like, I mean, she was somewhat notorious

from like... She's like society person. Exactly. It's like, it's not someone who's like he's fucking Nicole Kidman. Right. You know? 6 or whatever. Exactly. You might know who she is. But the thing, the funny thing is, though, they did go through during the trial. They showed us some receipts from FedEx. and they were trying to actually show us

that Galane Maxwell did not send these presents to one of the victims and they were showing oh well she did send these packages and the three packages she sent was one was to her sister and the other one was to a woman I actually had never heard of before

and then the other was to Ron Berkel so and this is yeah so it's you know she's this was in the early 2000 so she like she kept in close close contact and just came out that Clinton that Epstein probably visited the Clinton White House

around 13 times 17 times 17 times Jesus barely almost legal yeah he donated a bunch of money you know we should say too I mean Epstein was like in like political circles he was on the council of foreign relations so he's like going to all of these like bullshit dinners that they're kind of doing yeah he's like he's in with the trilateral commission yeah he's doing all of it so he's so galane was also like very close friends with Chelsea Clinton which is weird this is something that never gets reported on but fucking Chelsea Clinton and galane Maxwell went on a fucking yacht trip together in like 2008, I want to say.

Like, after Epstein's arrest, we know of four. Chelsea Clinton's like ugly ass husband. And who's the founder of jealous, Bruce? Well, listen, Chelsea. He's not half the man you are. Chelsea is a nasty woman in more ways than what. Chelsea, if you're a bar stool head. A long time stoolie.

If you're a stoolie, come visit me at the Sheraton Tribebeck anytime between 2 a.m. and 4 a.m. And I will give you the craziest 15 second shag of your life later. I will have so, I'll get you in the tribe. Don't worry. I love you. Anyway, so the founder of Gateway Computers, who's last name I can't remember. I think it's Mike White or something. No, it's like Tom Watts.

Gateway Computers? Yeah, Gateway Computers founder. white they had great boxes ted wait ted wait ted wait ted way warm weight yeah as ted weight is was galane maxwell's post-epstein boyfriend and he's friends with the clinton's and so a little yacht trip with galane uh chelsea ted wait and galane's or chelsea's soon to be ex-husband yeah that's that's at the very least she's guilty of poor judgment exactly because it's not dating brace well yeah But, like, if you're on a yacht trip with a chick who's ex-boyfriend just got arrested and, like, a pretty, because, you know, it was reported on, like, a high-profile, like, child sexting, wouldn't she be like, what was up with that? So, I noticed you use the B word right there, boyfriend.

Yeah. Now, isn't that, like, up for debate? Were they actually boyfriend and girlfriend? So, you know what's crazy? So much of the trial has been spent on, like, speculating the nature of their relationship. And I mean, literally, like, the prosecution asking everyone, like, straight up first question is always like, so what was up with? them yeah like what was the vibe yeah what did you think when you first met them did you think they were like together and every single person is like well i think that maybe they kind of were in a

relationship but it's unclear and they were friendly but like i don't know like no one has nailed down the actual nature of their relationship which i find so crazy to the point that i kind of think the prosecution doesn't actually know yeah do you think that that glane she wishes that she was like she wanted to be his girlfriend? That is so we actually do have that from a civil deposition she gave in I think 2016 where she was asked when she was being deposed like what was the nature of your

relationship with Epstein was he your boyfriend she's like well I think at times I wished he was it's clear that Galane is was at least in love with Jeffrey Epstein it is very unclear if Jeffrey Epstein gave a shit about that she was like trying to trying to tame him oh yeah yeah well chick stick the bad boy i definitely think she was she was running him in one way but yeah he uh he it's it's really unclear because it does seem like they dated at least until the mid 90s like fully like i mean they were she stays on and is basically working for

him i mean they were still i mean while they were dating they were you know predate predating predationing they were being predators towards young girls hunting together exactly but which also continued after they dated or after their relationship officially ended. It makes no sense. It makes zero sense to me. But this is also why, like, I think it's so important to find out when they actually met and how. Yeah.

Like, it's not, it's like, okay, wait, were they introduced? And if so, who introduced them? Was it through her father? Why? Because that changes the entire, like, origin story of this relationship. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah, maybe at some point she, like, falls for him.

Okay. But maybe there was a different arrangement from the beginning. It was like, I think you guys could work really well. together. Yeah. Your skills match up with this person's skills. Yeah. Yeah.

Jeffrey is very good at entrapping people into compromising situations. He's good at money moving money. Yeah. Who knows? Who knows? I don't know. But like no one can nail down the actual like dates and nature of this relationship.

What I'm interested to see is if the defense does. Yeah. If they try to bring that up. It's just speculation, but I would imagine that if you're, if it is like a honey pot type operation where they're trying to entrap people and get. You had, you know, blackmail pictures or videos, probably be a little bit easier if your clientele is older dudes if you have a younger woman. For sure. That is, like, reassuring you like, this is okay.

This is great, isn't it? Yeah. That, that to me, seems like Billy's about to rip some more smelling sauce. Oh, dude, are you really about to, do you about to hit the smell? He's amazing. I've kind of started using them recreationally. He's kind of bad. Because have you tried paupers?

I don't understand. Is it poppers? No, no, no, no, no, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's poppers. Can I get a water? No, wait, no, I know what it is. Nothing to worry about. You're pretty little hotness. Boys only.

I used to live on Christopher Street and I'd walk to the train station and I'd walk out on like a Sunday morning, just poppers everywhere. I didn't even know that gay guys used poppers. I thought they were, well, when I was younger, I was like, this is just some other shit that we huff. Yeah. Like we huff all kinds of shit. We huff this too.

My butthole getting relaxed was just a nice side of it. Exactly. Yeah, yeah. I'm like, this is just whippets but liquid. Yeah, it's just, like, getting a slap in the face. That thing? It's just irritating your... It's so irritating.

Yeah, it helps me wake. So we have a weird turn around. He's also alone now. He's got a problem. This used to be next to my bed to wake up on Monday mornings after working late on Sunday nights to prepare for this podcast. We do not work very late on Sundays. And then I have to prepare for this podcast to you on Monday. So, like, I wake up, ripped salts, wake up.

I'm like, okay. Rip the salts? Well, just like, now I got to research. Free Epstein for three hours before I get to work. You're wondering this motherfucker beacon's sake. You're taking smelling salts recreationally? No, it's supposedly for powerlifting. Have you tried coffee?

It's just we're, we're, you want to buy some adderol? No, no. He's a big green tea person. He got off, he doesn't take his, his childhood ADD medication anymore. So this is what he replaced it with. I'm so glad that I got to introduce.

Dude, he closed one nostril. Oh my God. Well, there's got, if one's blocked up. Yeah, that looks. normal and very healthy and very cool it's my problem let me hit that no no you're like don't don't get it too close i'm telling you like i breathe it into my mouth it's bad um there's oh there you go oh i was just wait this a baby you got to let a touch of your brain you can wafed wafting helps it gives you like a baby so football players do that on the sidelines to like wake up

like before kickoff this is i feel so powerful yeah you can do anything there is like a weird football type related side tangent that I'd like to just like tell you guys about because you guys might not even heard about this but there's a lawsuit going on right now the former president of the Washington Redskins that's what they were called when he was a president of the team is engaged in a lawsuit against the current owner Dan Snyder because there was a blog that was published in India that listed Dan Snyder's name as being on the Epstein. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Now, there's absolutely no evidence to back it up. It was just a random blog that came out and got very little traction. It looked like like a haphazard hit piece. It's not like Times of India. It's like, no, it's just like it's a website that they hosted in India and then some sock puppet accounts like retweet. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like dot biz situation.

Yeah, yeah, something really like low rent. And the current, the owner of the team Dan Snyder, his name was, I don't know if it was directly stated or it was heavily implied that he was on the he was on the uh epstein flight logs and so dan snider is now suing the former president of the team bruce allen who is the son of george allen who was uh the coach of the team and bruce allen's brother was the governor of virginia for a while yeah okay so um that they've uh they've they've sued bruce allen because they say that he's trying to get back at dan snider for being fired that so he said the blog by setting up a blog over

in India to try to I gotta say setting up a blog saying that a guy is on the Epstein flight logs and be like check this out man that's actually that's so deviant you should be in charge yeah so I mean that as a person who grew up rooting for the Washington

football team yeah there are very few things that can surprise me about Dan Snyder when I saw that I was like I was halfway surprised I was like well I didn't think he was a pedophile yeah but apparently I don't know it's been definitely like no corroboration to it whatsoever. It's just like a little,

it's like succession with the dumbest people in the world running that team. Yeah, totally. That's all teams. Yeah, really. I'm sorry. Turns out you don't have to be smart to be a team owner. In fact,

money ball. In fact, most people are very stupid. I kind of distrust anybody that becomes a billionaire and they don't buy a sports team because that's like the ultimate toy. See, I was the Niners fan when I was a kid growing up. And so we had the problem of the York's own the team. And they kind of like, threw Eddie under the bus who was like managing the team they're all doing like shady stuff

but they threw Eddie under send him to the feds and now that and then the York whatever then they moved the team out of San Francisco and I think it's like a whole curse it's tough Silicon Valley 49ers the whole curse it's like a hour and a half they threw Eddie under oh yeah it's like let him do the shady stuff like don't you know whatever they threw Eddie under the bus let him get nibed by the nabbed by the feds and now let him get nibbed too yeah they let him have a roll but it's like you're not getting another young you're not getting another montana like you're done you're over you're fucking silicon valley facebook 49ers now you're not buying to jimmy g he's so attractive though no he's awful he's so attractive no montana is a that

that is a fucking quarterback like like jimmy g looks like a hologram of a quarterback he does he's fake he looks like a fake quarterback he's too good looking i will forever think the most attractive quarterback to ever be in the NFL is Brady Quinn by a large margin. Yeah. I mean, he was only in the league for, what, like three, four years. He's still a good looking guy. He is. Doesn't shave. He doesn't have any facial hair. He's gorgeous.

He's like a specimen. He also had the most spotable spiral. He threw a really good spiral. And he's also from Ohio. Oh, whoa, 5.8? Brady Quinn's not 5.8. Yeah, that's what it says here on Wikipedia. He's like 6.3. No, that says centimeters of that number. Oh, he's 6'4.

He's a big guy line. He looks like a 90s heartthroat, like 90s teen heartthruff. Yeah, he could have been on St. By the Bell. He looked too much. Like his name was Brady Quinn. He was the quarterback at Notre Dame. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was like a little too long.

You sound made up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's when you're like, oh, maybe we are in a simulation. Yeah, exactly. So, all right, so we've kind of touched on the Clintons a little bit. Trump, I have to assume just got to know Jeffrey because they ran in the same circles, both in New York and also in Palbatra. Was there a deeper connection there?

well Trump also flew on the jet a couple times and it's seen flew on Trump's jet we heard about a new flight during this trial as well flying down to Florida with them so Trump I don't think that Trump would participate it or I have no reason necessarily to believe that Trump participated with the young girls I do know with pretty good confidence that like you know if you're in the modeling world right and you're a guy with a lot of money in the modeling world and especially if you're running modeling stuff internationally there's is a lot of shady shit that you're going to get into and um i mean yeah trump models is no you know it's like these people basically buy and sell girls yeah maybe in a slightly more efficient way or not efficient but like slightly more above above the board way but like that that's still what they're doing the quote that trump had about epstein's worst quote you could ever have about the guy but i i think that's kind of how the guy does business where he was like letting Jeffrey know like I know about you and he I think the quote was something like Jeffrey loves women and it's no secret he really likes him young yes you know like he's just

putting that out there yeah exactly because if you say like why like here's a thing is like in Trump's world is like there's a lot of guys with 19 year old girlfriends and so it's like saying that someone's young is not that you know what I mean exactly yeah yeah exactly and saying like you know he likes young girls implies something a little more than you know 19 Trump Trump and Epstein did have a falling out at one point. Yeah. Epstein got banned from Marlago. Yes.

Although Galane, well, that was before then, I guess. And also, didn't he offer up documents during the 0405 trial? Who did? Trump? Yeah. Okay, that hand up, that might be something I've read. I don't know about that. I don't think so.

Yeah. I think, you know what? I think he might have been subpoena for some phone record, but that's because a lot of the... Or possibly having to do with Marlago. Yeah, a Marlago thing. probably. One of the victims was a masseuse at Marlago when she was kind of picked up and recruited by Goulain.

Yeah. In fact, it was described sort of at the trial by the guy who was driving the car, Juan Alessie, that he was like, Galane yelled out like, stop and like got out of the car and went up to this, you know, teenage girl and like gave her Jeffrey Epstein's phone number and he saw her at the house later that day. And, you know, it's Virginia Jeffrey, sort of the most like well-known victim.

But she was a masseuse, or she wasn't a masseuse, excuse me. She just worked at Mar-a-Lago, I think, at the spa. You know, she's a teenage girl. Like perceptionist. Exactly, yeah. I wasn't actually a masseuse. I would love to know what they're falling out was. Apparently over real estate, I've heard different things.

Trump real estate, right? I have no idea. I imagine it's something, but it's some money thing. Yeah. That's what I imagine. Trump doesn't give a fuck, but. Trump banned Jeffrey Epstein from Mar-Lago after sex criminal hit on members' daughter book claims. Which book?

A new book entitled The Grifters Club doesn't say who... Never heard of that. Yeah, this could be... I better be in it. Grifters Club. Yeah, Bann, a new book says. Let me see who wrote the new book. I mean, could be.

Who knows? Yeah, I mean, yeah, I don't know. There's no, like, I mean, Epstein was pretty like, or excuse me, Trump was pretty like, you know, mealy mouth, not mely mouth, excuse me, like, wishy-washy about it when it kind of came, when it came up during his presidency, he's like, oh, I didn't really know the guy, you know, It's like and there's that incredible photo of Trump and Galane like where she's like in like this like a suit. Oh no, no, no. The one where he's like standing there like looking ahead in the front of the white background and she's got like this little suit thing on.

Yeah. It's a rare, rare galane looking good in that photo. So when they finally get around to arresting Jeffrey Epstein, 2019, 2019 and you guys, you guys started talking about this, what, like 2015? No, well, no, we've talked about it for a while, but we started the podcast. In 2019. Yeah, when he was arrested, we started Yeah. But when the papers came out,

that's when you guys got really into it, right? Yeah, yeah. When the black books, I think it was Gawker that first put it out, the black book got put out because it's fucking insane, right? It's like every person that you don't like, you could just look their name up and it would be in that motherfucker with like 15 different phone numbers. And also,

a lot of those phone numbers still worked for a long time. Yeah. Alan Dersh, which is still works. I know Rudy Giuliani still picks up his fucking. Oh, you can get him too. By the way, Borat should have let him fuck that lady. Yeah. Well, she's like 30.

I see where you're coming from. He should have let Rudy break off a little piece. But I'll give you his number. I want to know is, wasn't there. I would love his number. Yeah. It wasn't the Borat movie. It was the, maybe it was like the first Borat movie.

I can't remember. Maybe it's Ali G movie where he was filming in Vegas and he said that he found, he like, happened upon like actual child trafficking. Oh, yeah. He asked the FBI. but, like, never heard anything about it. Yeah, there was, yeah, he asked a matre d, or not a major d. Like, yeah, I guess one of those hotel, like guys who tells you where stuff is.

Yeah, yeah. Where he could get, like, really young prostitutes. He was like, I can hook you up. And he reported the FBI and never heard back from them. Wow. And then you're sort of like, hey, we, what happened with that one? So after, after Epstein gets arrested. And maybe you can walk us through, like, why they went back to him, why they decided the time was right to arrest him.

I mean, I assumed he'd be cut loose. at that point. Like, his name was too, like, it was, you know, like, his, it was out that he was doing what he was doing, right? Like, people knew about it. And so, like, any, any sort of utility he'd have, like, if you're talking, like, in spy terms, like, your cover would have been blown, essentially, because if you're the guy who's famous for being a pedophile,

no one's going to be like, oh, yeah, I'll have sex with a 15-year-old kid in this, like, camera room. Right. That's why you went with the rebrand of now I'm just into science. Exactly. I just read my seat. Not a philanthropist. The block was too hot.

He couldn't do his old shit. Galanis, if your man is a philanthropist, red flag. Exactly. I'm just a good person. Yeah. That's what I do for my job. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, me?

No questions. The orphan career? But so, I mean, he pretty much outlived his usefulness. And I think it had gotten a little too blatant because he was still doing what he was doing. And, yeah, when do you think he's, this is a little off? When do you think he started like? that's hard to say back to the Dalton days

like well there's no there's no there's no there's no one that's come out and said that he did it there like there's people that said he was weird and like a little flirty but like you know that's there's a lot of like that's back to the Wall Street thing

I mean again I know Ace Greenberg whatever but that name is like in conjunction everyone's seen like Wolfel Wall Street right knows the like insanity that these guys were up to in the late 70s and early 80s like Wall Street had just been deregulated it was like a fucking like

like cocaine was really good like no but it was crazy I mean and so the the amount of parties they were having but they were also using prostitutes that then would get stuff on other like other bankers that then they would use against each other I mean it's the kind of stuff we were talking about you know you're getting blackmail

from all of these things it's you know so it's kind of like all these different industries that he was in was using these same sorts of tactics you know yeah so the videotapes that were uncovered or some of their computer files you mentioned Spitzer that's a class Classic honeypot. Yeah, yeah.

So they had, correct me if I'm wrong, but there's like video, there were video files on some of his computers. Well, so we have, we, we have long known that in his safe, there was a bunch of CDs or there was basically, there was files of some kind. Like that when they, when they got the stuff from his safe in, uh, in the 2019 raid on his townhouse that, you know, you get the fucking picture of

that they recovered files from that. We never heard anything about them again until last week when it was the FBI agent who led that raid came out and said that we actually found a bunch of binders of CDs

and dude the picture of the binders I've never seen binders that way it's like the kind of binders like you're studying to be like a fucking like lawyer or something so like back in the day before iPods is So I remember, like, my mom used to love music would have these binders of CDs of music. And we looked through it.

No, these, yeah, these were not those. These were like classic, your classic binder, but huge. Like school binder. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So like a like 10 inch binder, 15 of them. I used to keep like baseball cards in there. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Plastic sleeves. Magic. Yeah. Of CDs. They said that on these CDs, the FBI, one of the FBI agents, real good looking gal, estimated 38,000 images. Oh, by we got to talk about real quick the makeup of the townhouse. 44 rooms.

Yeah. Stuff, tiger, stuff, dog, eyeballs, or just the security system where he's collecting the content. There's a one room with tons of security cameras, cameras in all sorts of places in what looked like 44 bedrooms. in the townhouse. So, I mean, I'm sure it's like, the thing is, is, you know, Epstein's no, I mean, he is kind of a schmuck, but like, Galane's no schmuck. And, you know, you're having these guys, you're having Prince Andrew, even if you're friends with Prince Andrew, you're having Prince Andrew over.

And he's getting with some young girls consistently, you know, room in your house. You're putting the camera up there. You know what I mean? And it's like, you know, you sort of extrapolate this further to it's like, you know, the guy knows how to make money, right? he's a rise and grind type pedophile where he's like you know he's hustling and so it's like you know for whatever reason he was doing this for whatever if he was doing it for an agency if he was doing it for himself whatever reason as a consult exactly however this was going down

it's like you know you're having ehu barak the former prime minister of israel visited epstein's townhouse between 10 and 100 times and would leave with like fucking like basically ironically sort of dressed like a you know like an old arab fighter from the 40s or something like with like a you know basically in a in a cafe um but uh you know it's like it you have leverage over these guys and like it's a honey pot so we're gonna find out what was on those CDs so that's the thing is we get all these CDs they show us we didn't know about all these other CD binders this had not been reported on we see the existence of this huge amount of CDs and then they show us that But they also collected two thin binders of CDs from the safe, external hard drives, etc.

The crazy thing about that is... Oh, and lots of velvet boxes of diamonds. Yes, and the passport. And we heard a gun, but no gun, which if anyone out there knows what kind of gun Jeffrey Epstein had, please let me know. He didn't have a gun. His bodyguards had guns. No, no, he did have a gun. Part of his rules for his housekeeper to put his gun in his fucking bedside table when he came back to the Florida house.

So do we think he was Mossad? I mean, listen, the Lay's dad was in, like, well, not, you mean, he wasn't reporting to the office every day, but he was a Mossad asset. I mean, honestly, it would be conspiracy brain, it would be pretty easy to take a guy and manufacture, like, someone, you know, who, like, manufacture a humble beginnings. Yeah. That would be easier to manufacture. and then insert him

no college degree but then like could he have been run from the beginning I mean that we were just fucking talking about and it's cancer

you know what I mean you know could be a goulon type situation with that we don't know but like I mean it's we would be smart if they did

you know I mean at the end of the day like is getting dirt on politicians from all around the world because it's not just American ones it's from all around the world

is getting videos of them having sex or especially having sex with underage girls important for somebody, absolutely. You know what I mean? And the thing is, so it's like we see these, they have all these fucking binders. They have these binders in the goddamn safe. We find out from the FBI agent that they left, they didn't have a search warrant for the safe. Oh my God, get that.

This makes no sense. So when they stormed the townhouse, right, they literally like break, like you have the photo of, right? they they uh collect a bunch of stuff oh my god sorry hold on it's me they collect a bunch of stuff from uh they have a warrant that covers everything they they take photographs to everything they this is where we see these like you know this closet that has this huge shelf with all these binders right they get into one of i think it's like the fifth floor uh bathroom which is where the safe is maybe it's the third floor can't remember i think it's third um they apparently they say their warrant didn't cover

the contents of the safe. You've got to get the safe and the warrant. I guess because they had never been in there. They don't know there is a safe? I think maybe and so maybe it requires like maybe it requires like an extra notation. If you just like lock a door, they need another warrant? I don't know. No idea.

I have no idea. So rather than, which is this is typical protocol posting up an agent like next to the safe being like cool, you go down to the courthouse, get a warrant that covers this. I'm going to stay here and make sure nothing goes missing. They're like, okay, Mr. Epstein, we're going to go get the warrant. We'll see you later. They fucking bounce out of there. They go back like five days later.

And they're like, okay, we've got the warrant. Oops. All the contents of the safe are missing. They call Jeffrey Epstein's lawyer, Mr. Khan, I believe is his name. And he's like, oh, don't worry about it. I got it. We moved it to my offices. I'll bring you the contents of the safe in the same.

these two suitcases. I know. And so literally no one knows what happens to the contents of that safe in those five days. Five fucking days. The feds getting the warrant like breaking into the, not breaking in, but entering the townhouse. And then when they received the two suitcases from Epstein's lawyer with the contents of the safe. Now the gal, the good looking FBI agent, I just giving her a little nod. She says, oh, I think it was everything. But we don't know it was on those CDs. be a CD. I don't know what's on the fucking CD. I,

so I need a quick just to visualize for our listeners. Yes. We need quick timeline. So they break them, they break into the townhouse,

the FBI, is Epstein arrested at this point? He's in jail at this point. Yeah, yeah. He's arrested at Teterboro in New Jersey. He flies in and I mean, it's clearly prearranged.

Right. He flies in and they arrest him. They take him in from the airport. So now you have all of his cronies dealing with the cleanup they probably know like okay if we get raided this is what we're doing exactly this is their lawyer knows to do that okay so then FBI goes in they see the safe now isn't what is the story about them cutting into a safe or they used to saw had a saw with them yeah so

did they cut into the safe before they had the warrant that's that's a really good that's actually yeah that's a really good question um I did in the photographs that they took which they showed at the, you know, during this, all of the contents of the safe had been emptied. So they cut, this is what I think happened. They cut into it. They take photograph. They take, I don't think they have an infant. They took an inventory of it.

And his lawyer say, uh-uh, your warrant doesn't actually cover the contents of the safe. Yeah, because he's, I'm sure his lawyer was there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So they probably cut into the safe lawyer. They once they realize they're doing the raid, lawyer comes in, can't touch the safe. They've already cut into the safe in order to. And there's a photograph of all the contents of the safe. the safe on top of the stage so they're trying to preserve the integrity of the investigation

because they're now dealing with you know if they make one wrong move okay all this is thrown out as evidence but if you were trying to do that i mean the thing is the usual protocol is to leave one of your guys with that shit so that precisely the thing that happened doesn't happen and is that common with all safe i mean yeah the the FBI's had to gone it to say exactly yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah so you need a warrant for the safe yeah exactly I guess so. And it's like, okay, the guy is a 44 room fucking mansion. You think he doesn't have a fucking...

The Sheraton has a goddamn safe in the hotel room. It's probably one of these safes that has two ways to get in. So, oh, you found the front of the safe. Yeah, you know, buddy, go to the backside of it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Go to the backside of the safe, pull everything out. I've got clear. Because in my head, I was thinking that the FBI had those discs in some poor FBI

agent had to pour over all of them. Well, a poor FBI agent did. And we heard from them, too. Yeah. Also, good looking gal. Yeah. I got to get a shot with the FTA. I know, I was like, what is going on here?

Both of these chicks. One was kind of like Megan Rapinoe, but the other was like, I, you said it. I thought she cut a handsome figure. No, you said she was Megan Raffino in a positive. So they looked. You didn't say it with it. You were like, oh, she's hot in a Megan Raffino sort of way. They're probably great for Honey Pot sting operations.

Exactly. So they actually saw what some of the CD files in the save? They looked at everything. So they saw that, well, in the initial thing, when they raided on July 6th, they saw that he had CDs. They did not go see what was on the CDs. They did take the CDs from like the ones that he had in the binders elsewhere in the house, like the majority of the stuff, but not the CDs or the external hard drives within the actual safe. And so they also took from his house a like giant box of just hard drives that because here's the thing. they've got images on the CDs but on the hard drives that's where you got the you know

you got the gigs to host the videos and so we were like holy shit like they confer like at the trial like it was like you know kind of this like murmurs throughout the courtroom people being like oh my God like they're going to maybe show some of this stuff no we come back the next morning because they adjourned that day we come back the next morning and what they show us is from the CDs 20 pictures of Jeffrey Epstein and Galayne Maxwell throughout the years. There are 38,000 goddamn images on these and then confirmed

they also had pictures of the girls which were submitted under seal so we didn't see that. But like, you know, we had one of the girls of the victim number four, talk of Carolyn, who's going by first name, talk about how Sarah Kellan, one of Jeffrey Epstein's assistants, had

taken nude photographs of her as a, you know, as a 14 year old in Florida, which is production of child pornography. And paid her $600. exactly yeah production of child pornography they're saying in these cd binders there are are printed out thumbnails corresponding to what's on the CDs but it's like they they also redacted all the names on the binders which we don't I have a hard time believing those were actual people's names you know what I mean there's a giant binders are like hundreds of CDs all right so then Dewey decimal system for child porn but they redacted it there's a lot of shit that's been teased lost yeah teas are just you know conveniently forgotten about well that's the thing is with this trial is the scope is so narrow that it's like they're like being like yeah we're prosecuting galane maxwell but that's it yeah yeah yeah so that's what you see you see the the 10 photos of epstein and galane at valmoral or whatever

to show that i mean the reason they're showing those and those are the only ones they're disclosing is to show the kind of nature of their relationship to pin down that they were intimate over decade plus that the that the of the years that they're disclosing that they're the trial is actually covering um because that's all that they need to prove yeah okay so uh epstein is in jail now he's uh at the manhattan correctional facility yeah yeah or could was it manhattan correctional center yeah i think so cc and uh so then he dies yada yada yada yada he's dead now he cut off his zoloft and he gets yeah so billy was saying that there's uh billy was bringing up details about his cellmate or his oh taglioni taglioni yeah who morin call me paul

prosecuted. He can't be. No, Maureen Comey, the prosecutor in this case, also prosecuted, I mean, it's SDNY, but still. Now, this guy, talk about a mob hitman. Talk about... Talk about HG... I don't want to hear nothing

from you about him, because he makes you look like a baby. I know, I know. He is juicy. Jack, huge. First of all, he's Natty. He came out in the testimony. Oh, he is? No, I'm just kidding. No, when he's the type of guy,

he's the type of guy, like, this guy was a cop. He went to prison and just had to do steroids because he's a cop in prison. Oh, my God. Dude, huge. He has the smallest head on the biggest body. His shoulders are bigger than his head. That picture of him with a German shepherd, it's like, all right, dude.

He loves dogs, though. Yeah, he does love dog. He does not love drug dealers that are not him. That's what he looks like. He executed, I think, four guys in his backyard. Execution style. And his neighbor, like, saw him, like, digging the graves and was like, oh, I should call. Yeah, this.

Any other cop but him. Yeah. He looks like a cartoon. version of a like mobbed up cop hip man yeah so epstein epstein epstein has a suicide attempt in prison where he actually ends up having you know he's like he gets fucked up there's so much mystery surrounding this also no tapes of it happening also the guys they lost the tapes they lost the guys working that night yeah they had a quick yes yeah and the same as the night on his uh same as the night on his uh his actual suicide so he's the suicide attempt and tartaglione is like you know kind of under the spotlight

And then Epstein gets cleared to come back. He's like, I'm not suicidal. Also, by the way, on the suicide attempt, Epstein claimed it wasn't a suicide attempt, but that he was like, it was like a hit. Yes. That someone was after him. Okay.

And he gets put out back into a cell, no cellmate, that which is really crazy. Because especially if a guy has just been on suicide watch, you know, you put a cellmate in there to make sure he doesn't kill himself. But they also, you know, they use jailhouse snitches. So you put a cellmate in there. anyways to see if maybe he says something.

And the thing about Tartaglione is he's now been on trial and he wants the tape released from the night. Well, because, I mean, okay, say that his whole thing is right and, like, Epstein just tried to kill himself or someone else tried to kill Epstein. Tartaglioni was kind of blamed for it. Yeah. And, like, you know, embarrassed the prison system. And so, like, you know, he wants the tape out.

They're not going to put it. There's no tape. Crazy enough. Wait, what was I can say? Epstein. So Epstein killing himself, right? this is a guy who not only wanted to create a genetic program

but he wanted to freeze his brain and penis like Walt Disney style he wanted to preserve his longevity exactly yeah yeah like I don't want to die I don't think you do either right no I'm good no I'll put that on the record yeah yeah yeah nobody wants to die here yeah but I've never been like damn I don't want to die so bad that I want my dick frozen

yeah so I mean the level of narcissism that he had insane Doesn't really add up. Thinking that's how he, like, got really in with a bunch of Silicon Valley guys because they're all psycho, like life extendoid, transhumanist stuff, like with, you know, the Google guys or Musk or, you know, all those guys that are so into this idea of we're going to, we're going to someday be able to upload our consciousness onto a kind of like, I don't know, sponge type thing. Yeah.

So, you know, we'll be able to live forever, which means also we can re-a-end. animate our consciousness while keeping our head and dick, I guess. So this is not the kind of behavior from a guy who kills himself like two weeks after getting arrested. Yeah. And what's the name of the title of the person who does autopsies? Medical examiner. Didn't he resign? We just resign, but I mean, who?

It's weirdly enough, they actually, the family had a coroner. They hired a coroner too, who also was maybe. involved us doing a piece of JFK's brain and also did yeah weird guy um but uh who said it was like you know that he thought it was murder because so Epstein's actual death i mean in jail they take your fucking shoelaces in jail right they're like damn how would you kill yourself in jail hang yourself let's make it really hard to do that so like they've thought about this and this is the fucking MCC oh chapo is here right notoriously a guy who suffers from depression that has self-harmed um and

And, you know, they're like, they don't make sheets in jail that are, like, good for hanging yourself with, right? They've thought of that. Somehow, Jeffrey Epstein, there's pictures that came out of his cell after, like, like eight months after he died. That show like 50, it looks like a fucking bed bath and beyond it. There's like 50 sheets that he's somehow got. He had like a linen closet in there. Yeah. And they expect us to believe that he fucking kneeled down in a sick mockery of Islamic prayer and thrust himself.

forward with sufficient force is to snap his own fucking neck. If you've seen the wire, that's how... They do it in the wire? That's with a belt tied to like the door and then he just leans forward. Yeah. But that's, you don't break that bone in your neck. Exactly. By doing it that way. Yeah. And so you strangle. Right? That's the thing

a lot of people don't understand about hanging is at the gallows, your neck's getting snapped. Done. You're dead. If you're hanging yourself at home, you're just choking to death. Yeah. I know. Not my way of doing it. Yeah. So, I mean, Big T would speculate Hillary Clinton did it. herself? No, Hillary's too stupid to pull something like that off.

She doesn't remember enough. That's the thing when people talk about like Hillary Clinton killing all these people. She was so incompetent. She literally lost an election to Donald Trump. Yeah. But she's somehow able to kill like 15 people. I could fuck her ass up if she came at me. Yeah. She did have a willful intent to destroy America and the American way of life. She was just too stupid to do it. I'm with you on that. Yeah, I agree with that. I'm telling you guys would get along famous. Yeah. This is great. All right.

So Epstein's dead. Case closed. Case closed. Delane gets arrested after being on the lamb for a while. About a year or the day. Yeah. So how'd they find her? I don't, you know, I don't know.

There's some speculation that they knew for a long time. Yeah. She was there. She was like, you know, cozying up with her man. Yeah. Wait, wasn't she in Ohio at some point? No, it was rumored that she was in a lot. There was like a bunch of rumors going around

That I think her team spread Was there a picture of her like a No So there's a picture that came out of her at an in and out Yeah No that was like obviously doctored It was the one in Studio City too I don't think it was doctored

It's a question about when it was taken It could have been a photo that was taken Who knows when I thought for some reason she was on that Harper Lee thing where she was up in New England Oh yeah yeah yeah Yeah they know so she well she was But so there was a photo

that came out, like, shortly after Epstein died or got arrested, but, like, around that time of her going like this at an in-and-out with a book open, which, by the way, no one's reading at the studio city. No. I've been to that in-and-out. It was not a lot of... No one's like, hmm, I'd love to just go snuggle up by myself with a book. Yeah.

In-N-out's probably the worst meal to eat with. Yeah, exactly. It's like, yeah. Reading one hand. You're dripping down. Doesn't that all. So the book, this is very important. The book is flat.

Like, we can't see what's on the spine of the book. You can't read anything about the book. We can just see that she's reading a book. But there's a few things that are weird about the photo. Well, the title gets slipped to the guy writing the story by the person who submitted the photo to them, to the gossip pages or whatever. And they say the title is the life and death of CIA operatives, a book by a man named Ted Gup, which is a horrible name. So one job where you can put a pseudonym and you would use Ted Gup. Ted Gup.

Yeah. So there was a bunch of speculation about why she would be, why would she be telling tabloids that she's reading a book called the life and death of CIA operatives. Perhaps herself was trying to send a message to someone to help her out because she saw perhaps her own demise in front of her. Yeah. But they try to date the photo by putting, photoshopping in a movie poster for the movie. good boys, which was I feel like no one saw

it was a Seth Rogen movie. No, I don't remember that. It's like super bad but for tweens. Yeah, it was like, they were like, yeah, what if they like Photoshoping and like boy pedophile movie? Who's the audience? Because like people are like, okay, like a 15 year old like trying to get laid for the first time like I relate to that. I was stupid at high school. But it's like

an 11 year old trying to get pussy? It's like nobody wants to see. It was like about it was about like three like really young kids trying to get laid and like it just did not yeah it was nobody that's like I don't really want to see an 11 year old like do that I don't think like I think like I don't think yeah there's got an 80% on right into man damn well audience or or or critics it's a good question yeah this this went to DVD real quick yeah audio uh tomato meter 80 audience score 80 what is LCP whoa damn the rare parody yeah

But, well, they photoshop that poster into a bus stop behind her because that poster was never actually at that bus stop to try to, because that movie was coming out right when, like, they released a photo to try to make it seem like she was in L.A. at that moment. What if it was like a horrible spawn con gone awry? It was like so horrible, like, we got to put it behind the way. It's like, okay, I got a great idea. I could actually see them. We're going to take the petto movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's great guerrilla.

actually really yeah it is really smart isn't that the story behind all those clown sightings yeah yeah it oh for sure every dude every every thing that you think is going to be cool ends up being spawned it is everything is a sci-op it's just done by a marketing team it's horrific like i don't know van eyes office so so our movie guys here jeffty low gave it a 77 ken jack gave it a 69 the audience here scored it a 73 which for them is like pretty that's pretty good they're pretty hard. There's sticklers about that. I'll have some difficult conversations with those boys later.

But so she, after this photo comes out, we don't hear anything from her except there's rumors. She's now married, which is not officially confirmed, but she's married to a guy named Scott Borgeson, who is a classic Boston boy, you know? He runs a like shipping

intelligence company, which is basically uses like satellite data to track where ships are going. In order to like make like big you know big bets on the stuff yeah I think that was an episode of billions yeah yeah yeah I like the shipping the visualization of the map yeah he feels very

billions yeah he is not been of a trial which by the way if I to my future wife if I am ever arrested on sex trafficking charges you have to go to the trial yeah you have to just show some support just one day what is this if go to the open

well just like I don't know there's that even you never life's fucking crazy Liz you know you once he gamble sometimes you win sometimes you lose like i've always said take your research one step too far exactly pete uh fucking jesus christ can't remember his name were too hungry that fucking guitar to the who oh townsend yeah that was a weird story wasn't didn't he get off like he got off yeah his his excuse was i was molested when i was a kid so i was doing research on child pornography yeah and they were like

you know what he plays a pretty mean windmill guitar yeah like bob roiley i was doing research He's like, I forgot what it looked like. I don't know. That was his excuse. I don't think that should be an okay excuse. No, no. So she gets arrested at this place and they say that her phone is wrapped in tinfoil. And that was, fuck.

I forgot about that detail. Yeah, yeah. I was really focused on the interiors of the home. Oh, yeah. It's very interesting. So she'd been hiding out there the entire time, or so we think, with armed security, guys with boozees and suits. And she's basically She's been the MDC in Brooklyn

So she's a little more street Yeah A little grittier She's a girl so she goes to Brooklyn Yeah I got it Yeah so wait What part of Brooklyn is that in Is that a cool part?

Gowanus Or so below Gowanus Okay is that up and coming Can we call it up and coming? Yeah I don't know shit about Brooklyn I've been there like Up and coming who knows

I've lived in New York for five years I've been to Brooklyn maybe five times Yeah You know what I just saw By the way in the East Village I was telling me braced about this There's a guy running for like some kind of office or whatever in East the village.

His name is Harvey Epstein. Wow. Which is like maybe the worst name you could have for running for office. But here's the thing I was thinking because I was like, oh, because you can't just, you can't like split it up. Actually, your best choice is to put them together because you can't be like, vote Harvey. People are going to be like, what? And you can't be like, vote Epstein.

Yeah. So you've got to do the Harvey Epstein. So people know it's a rough combo. It's not any other guys. You got to add in a middle initial. Oh, yeah. It's got to be like Harvey J. Epstein. Yeah, Harvey J. Epstein actually sounds more fucked up, though.

A little bit, yeah, like a little bit richer. Hey, Harvey J. Epstein. Nice to meet you. It's like, ooh. When I moved to L.A., I told everybody that I was there because my uncle, like, I'd taken over my uncle's company. And then I would like slowly let it like come out in the conversation that my uncle was Harvey Weinstein.

And people would all, no one ever didn't believe me. People would always be like, oh, that's cool. Awesome. Yeah. I'm like, yeah, I put a lot of women in Charleston. like things turn things around in LA everyone's used to just hearing like horrific shit in conversations that they know not to just like they're just like oh interesting cool so it sounds like you're making some moves like I don't know yeah yeah yeah let's link let's collaborate so she's been in jail

ever since and it took a fucking long time for the trial to get started and you know yeah it is I'm supposed to start the summer and now I mean we're in the middle of it we're literally in the middle of the trial really in the middle so we've got how many more weeks good question okay so this was very weird because it was said they anticipated six weeks yes now right before the break the prosecution rested which means they presented their case for people who don't know what that means then the defense goes the defense to the um to the judge was like yeah we anticipate uh you know bringing in witnesses the 18th 19th and the 21st i believe yeah 17th 18th and 21st whatever Thursday Friday maybe into Monday and so

So the judge goes, okay, so closing arguments will be on the 21st. Yeah. And it was like, what? Yeah. This thing was supposed to go until January. And you're telling me now that the defense is only going to have a case for two days and that they're going to like, that they're going to have the jury start deliberations before Christmas. It's like a shocker, basically.

But it's also a shocker because like if you're the defense, I don't know what you're thinking. I think that they're probably going to try and go for a mistrial at some point. because they think that maybe they'll get around one of the charges because the last thing you want is sending this jury into deliberations before a Christmas holiday because every juror is going to be like, fuck, I don't want to come back. Yeah.

Like, I want to spend Christmas with my family. I'm not coming back on Monday. Like, what do we've got to do to speed this step? So there's no, like, single holdout who's like, I know she's innocent. Let's get back here the day after Christmas. Like, they'll just, you know, everyone folds into, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, no, I mean, just a bad, bad mood.

move so I don't like it's almost like you would think the defense would just be like let's call like 10 other witnesses yeah yeah well defense is officially called for 34 witnesses on a witness list I don't know how many of those are actually going to get accepted they're asking for anonymity for three of them they're using that justification is that three of the three of the accusers we've heard from four accusers like on the stand three of them have been anonymous or semi anonymous although during the uh During the trial, the defense lawyer, in fact, just one lawyer from the defense, a guy named Jeffrey Pagliucci, or we call him Pagliacci, because it's easier to say. Exactly. He is awful. He's by far the worst one they have. And he's obviously unlikable, so they deploy him to do the unlikable stuff. But he had said the names of witnesses several times, like, you know, contravening like the anonymity order. And it's like one time he did it three times in a day.

Yeah, it was really bad. He's a moron. yeah total moron the man's moron but you know it's it's it's such a it was a shocker for a lot of people that the prosecution was resting so soon we expected it to like everyone in the courtroom even like long time like courtroom reporters not even like i you know i write about crime or like guys whose job is going to like sdn y every single day they were like wait they're resting after yeah like literally less than two weeks yeah weird on a giant case weird so i don't know i'm hopeful that she gets convicted of something yeah you guys said you think

she probably will be yeah i think so it'd be tough to see her skate off like you know they they did they took a lot of time picking this jury and you know i think the defense probably did the best they could but i just do not believe that there's a single guy in new york who doesn't know who geoffrey upstine is and i just think a lot of people probably you know i just don't i don't know how you get out of that i mean i don't know how you walked home after the first day of trial and didn't see she's guilty on the cover of the New York Post at like every fucking you know bodega out there you know

I didn't see that way it was yeah the post rocks yeah I mean do you think that the trial sort of not revealed anything else and that's really what the defense may have wanted to ensure 100 I mean we got little nuggets I feel like like we got the we found out

there's way more like digital footage than we could have ever imagined and we found out more inside like Galane flying on Epstein's jet you know that's like we found out We found out an earlier time where they're confirmed together. But, like, those are, you know, that's not a lot to go on there. And so they're not, like, they're keeping this so close to the chest.

They're barely naming anybody that hasn't been like the big, like Prince Andrews been named a few times. Yeah. But very tactically and almost always by the defense. Yeah. I mean, you have to remember, like, for the prosecution, when they're, they've got to, they're trying to nab this lady. The last thing they want to do, just from like a pure prosecution standpoint,

regardless of whatever else other conversations are having above that, right? the last thing they want to do is like bring in a bunch of like celebrity names that are going to distract a jurors from just like this lady trafficked young girls like a B C you don't want to bring in a bunch of like and there's this guy and there's that guy and there's you know what I mean yeah so it makes sense that they're keeping just from a like prosecution standpoint keeping it this narrow but it makes it so I think that like for us you know we've been following this case for so long and we really do know the ins and outs of it very very very intimately. So even just knowing from the trial that Epstein and Galain knew each other prior to when has ever been reported, that alone is like a big bomb for us to find out. But it's not the like, you know, frazzle drip video that people are hoping to see of Huma and Hillary engaging in baby eating contests or whatever. I would like to see that too. Well, I actually have to go. I've got to show that I'm two minutes late to tape right now. You guys can wrap it. Oh, my God, you're psycho.

It's a trivia thing that I have to do. Jesus, that's true. You guys can continue going here because I don't know if you've responded. Billy's love it. I'm not responsible for anything that Billy says. But before you guys go, thank you very much for coming. Thank you. It was a pleasure to meet you.

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We're doing all the, we're doing all of the trial coverage, like the day-to-day stuff is all free and out there. Yeah. And in general, we do one free episode a week or try to. And then one paid episode a week. But so we're going to do all free trial coverage and then some other stuff around the trial. We're doing on the Patreon only. Okay. Check them out.

Trunon. And Bill, you want to keep going? Yeah, I just have one last question. Okay. Yeah. All right. Thank you guys. So.

Oh, yeah. Can I just see the sketch before I go? Oh, whoa. Yeah. Nothing great, but like on Coralink photos. Oh, that's beautiful. Oh, this is incredible. Okay, that's going to be the first macrodosing NFT.

Oh, yeah, you have to. Hell yeah. I'll make the macrodosing coin base wallet or whatever. My last question. Okay, I am a average American. I'm hearing all about this. Please, if in any way possible, can you try to explain that there is no Qanon Pizza Gate, even though all

of this seems like the tip of the iceberg for it, is there any way you can ground me in reality and give me any hope that like there isn't that crazy adrenachrome stuff going on? No, that's all real. No,

I know, so I mean I mean, personally, how would you rationally explain what's going on? Well, the hard thing is, is like yeah, it does kind of seem like there's a giant sex ring that like is behind not only just our government but like we're other governments too uh the only thing is is like i don't think they're eating the babies uh i mean the thing is queuan on that's that what that's what makes it so difficult is like qanonon has some elements of truth

to it right like q and on people were talking about geoffrey epsi and stuff and like you know so it's like okay yeah like there is that and that's what makes it hard to disentangle for a lot of people is because like well these guys were talking about it first so like why isn't all this other stuff they say true i personally think pizza gate and qanon were put out there by bannon because a makes it really good to hit hillary clinton and being like this bitch literally ate a fucking baby in wards face um which i've also met people who say they saw that video which is bullshit i went to a kron convention the people said they saw that yeah did you believe them no okay because i'm like how come no you didn't see that video that video doesn't

doesn't exist. Yeah. But, you know, it's hard because there is, like, there is this very real stuff. And then there's this other shit that, like, really muddies the waters. I honestly wouldn't know how to really convince somebody. Because I've talked to a lot of Q&N people. And, like, I went to a Q&on convention. I stayed at the hotel with them.

I party with them. Yeah, yeah. Some of them were tight. Some of them were not so tight. But, yeah, no, I party with, like, Michael Flynn and shit. Like, I was, I was going. Oh, shit. Yeah.

It was, we went to church with him. That wasn't party. but um it more like how would you explain this basically guy got super powerful yeah just had so much power so much influence he was just like fuck it like i can have sex with anybody i want you know what i'm going for the forbidden that like how do you explain it i mean i i don't know i think that there's like I think that there is a component to the ultra wealthy where they are so used to doing things outside the bounds of anything, right? We talk about how Epstein is moving all this money.

He knows what broad is. He doesn't know what broad is. He's like, he's moving money around in order to, like, escape certain aspects, that that sort of, like, refracts through their life. They're so, everyone is so used to being outside of certain sorts of. like social, I don't know, rules, norms, laws, whatever, because they are in every other aspect of their life. They are above those sorts of things.

That it extends to the way they conduct themselves in other things, including, I think, whatever his weird sexual predilections were. I mean, he talks about, like, how he has to have sex, like, three times a day. And Galane herself says that she, you know, Jeffrey has all of these, you know, sexual needs that needs to be fulfilled. so she like procures girls for him and they like even even in the testimony from these young girls right this is something I was really tripped up on there's a couple of the girls who talk about how they meet going for tea and they like they both have tea together and then later on she's they're brought into this massage room where then they you know engage in these like sexualized massages for Jeffrey and there's this perverse I mean unintentionally right but it does have this perverse ritualized aspect to it Right. Not that they're sitting there detailing that it's literally, there's like a prescription for this, right? But there are these aspects to these things that kind of, I don't know how else to describe it.

No, I think ritual, I think ritual does a really good job of it. Yeah. And so you see these, you know, I don't know, there are these, all of this exists outside of the bounds of what the world is for the rest of us because these people live in a completely and totally different universe. Well, I was hoping that you guys could give me something to help me sleep better at night. Well, I think the problem is, is like, you know, we live in a world where people basically can get away with this for decades and like all their friends will overlook it, in fact, participate in with them. And like, it is an extreme indictment. I think that's part of what, you know, sort of attracts people so much to it is it indicts like the entire political and business class in not only this country, but in a lot of other countries as well. And because it's like, oh, well, these people, if they weren't participated in themselves, they were either in governments that were covering it up, their friends were doing it. They were in that milieu.

They're all in it together. You know what I mean? Yeah. Well, thank you guys so much for coming on. That was an amazing exquisite on. Thank you for having us. Thanks for having us. I think we really hit a homer on this Ebstein episode.

I would agree. We're finally going to get him arrested. Take his ass down. Oh, do you think he's, do you think, okay, do you think he's alive? Liz does. No, I don't know. Sometimes I just say stuff like that because it's funny. No, I don't think he is.

I don't think he's alive. You think they killed his ass? Yeah. He's not worth it. Yeah. No, I mean, they might have killed another guy that looks like him too, but they, they, they, they's dead for sure. There's, I mean, those fucking, you know, I'd be more sympathetic to, but they came out

to this fucking, uh, autopsy pictures. And I'm like, you can't fake that. That motherfucker's, that's him. You saw. There's autopsy photos, yeah. Where can you find those? They got released like early last year. Oh, okay.

Yeah. Awesome. They're nasty. Thank you guys so much. Absolutely. Perfect. Go listen to Truonon. They have the best stuff.

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