Macrodosing: Arian Foster and PFT Commenter - Extradose ft. Billy Football & MadDog | Ep. 4

Episode Date: March 5, 2023

Billy Football and MadDog bring you EXTRADOSE episode four. Everything about the show The Last of Us. Enjoy! Make sure to tune into Nanodosing every Tuesday and Macrodosing every Thursday, 12am EST.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/macrodosing

Hey, macro dosing listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcast, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. What's up, guys? Welcome to extra dosing. This is a very special edition of Extra Dosing. Mad Dog and I have been talking about Last of Us off mic for a long time. And we were thinking this would make a great extra dose. There's going to be spoilers in here. Yeah.

So if you're not caught up, we're talking about nothing's off limits except a couple of video games stuff. might affect the plot because we didn't play the game. So we're not going to mention that stuff. So it'll be up to what we've seen on television. Yes. Yes. And also we have two special guests in studio. Emerson and Tommy straight from the UK.

These are the guys that won our Christmas or Black Friday merch giveaway. And we're happy to have them all the way from across the pond. Would you like to, would you like to introduce yourself? Just give a little taste of that, that sweet British accent. I'm Emerson. I guess this is my British accent. I don't know if it sounds. It sounds British.

Yeah, and I'm Tommy. We're both in the north of England. Love it. Sort of like leads a Newcastleway. So yeah. If you know where that is. How did you guys hear about us if you're from England? Well, I've like listened to Barstall for years.

Okay. And then just listen to a part of my take and all that. And then whenever a new show comes out, I just listen to it. Right. I like it. I stick with it. And I was watching the Black Friday giveaway thing. Probably had won too many cause lights.

And I was like, I'll just buy a bunch of stuff. Brought a bunch of stuff. Then I sent an email to the Twitter account. I was like, hey, I've done this. Didn't realize I did it. Then I woke up in the morning. No way. The message saying like, oh, you won.

And I was like, okay, so I watched the episode. And then obviously I was like, oh, you better come now. And I was like, I kind of like put myself under a corner. I've got to go to New York. But I'm happy to be here. I looked at the old DM and you were like, I'll come to New York if I win this, like, oh my God. I didn't really realize that I said it until I looked back and I was like,

I really said that, didn't I? Yeah, I was talking to my girlfriend. I was like, I kind of like, bat myself into a corner now. And then Aaron Foster kind of said, we're calling your ass out. He said, yeah. When Aryan calls you out, you're going to do it. Oh, man. This is hilarious.

And then Billy was like, I hope you've got like air miles. Yeah. No air miles. Just the love of the game. Well, we're happy to have you here. And we're happy to be talking about my, my hyper fixation as of late the last of us yes honestly I think let's go back to the way beginning the intro of the first episode I think was very prevalent to today's like the

coronavirus COVID-19 like that like talk show about yeah the juxtaposition of one guy talking about viruses and like we all just been through a pandemic and like we're like well viruses are dangerous we saw what it happened and then another guy being like no screw viruses we've been battling viruses since like the dawn of man right like what makes this so different yeah we should be more worried and we're like more worried than a virus because we just we just went through the whole world just went through like the biggest pandemic since 1912 and there's something else we got to be worried about right he's like fungus so I think that was a really great way to set up the whole series and especially that first episode oh yeah and it has that yeah like you said it has

that real life tie and it's it was spooky like you're like shit this could because it's in my brain when I first watched that episode I was like this is what would happen of COVID didn't get like handled and got really out of hand obviously we wouldn't we no one turned into zombies when they got COVID but again like a pandemic to a mass effect to a worldwide audience so I don't know I mean honestly that first episode where everything's normal and like you hear little bits of things on the news and then it all just hits the shit hits the fans so quickly in the drop of a hat yeah so actually remind me of it when I first heard about COVID I was actually in the north of Italy doing a little study abroad program and that was the first place the Western world realized how bad COVID was Italy got it like really two or three weeks before we did well because what a lot of people so it was bad in China and you know my feed was showing me all these crazy videos coming from China people just dropping dead in the street

which we now know, we're just random people having, like, different types of medical conditions that were just being compiled. And so I'd seen that. And then on Italian TV, like, we, I didn't speak that good Italian at the time. And I was seeing all this. Do you speak better Italian now? Una bera. Okay.

Yeah. There it is. But I was like, like, like, we'd see them very panicked and they'd be like up in, where was it? Where was it at first? It's Milan. Milan. So near all the garment factories in northern Italy, there's a lot of immigrant workers who fly in from China biweekly. So every two weeks, they fly back to China and then fly back.

And that's cheaper labor than actually hiring Italians. And also the birth rate, there's a small labor pool. So a lot of the stuff you buy from the garment factories like Gucci, Prada, all that stuff are made by Chinese people in Italy. So they can still put in Italy on it, but like it's made by Chinese workers. in Italy by Chinese workers that are not getting paid fairly. That's why they're so good at doing the knockoffs in China. Oh. Because they like, we're like, okay, this is how they do it there.

What they can't replicate is the quality of the leather and all that stuff. So it reminds, we thought we were in a horror movie. Like, because you remember in the beginning of the first episode, yeah, that you just hear like, oh, Indonesia's had to drop. Yeah, Jakarta had to drop a bomb. Like it was the exact same. It was like Milan had a huge shutdown. They're now enforcing restrictions. No one can go outside.

And we were like, what? And then we got shipped home. And like, that just brought me back to that moment where it was like, we were like, oh my God, like we might, we might be in the middle. And then we saw a bunch of people in hazmat suits and stuff around. And it was like the craziest thing. So that first episode of like the buildup to when shit hit the fan like really gave me the chills. Yeah.

No. And it's, it was terrifying. I watched the first two episodes of the same. time. So I watched the Outbreak Day episode and then them basically going the first leg of their trip with Tess I watched together. And it is insane to see in that short period like back to back of like, this is what life was like in 2003 when Outbreak Day started and Sarah is alive and well and rest and peace Sarah. And then, you know, it flashes and 20 years later, Joel is doing like sewage detailing and you know picking up shit and burning infected people yeah and it's crazy

to see like back to back how much has changed in 20 years not that long of a time period if you really think about it right but in the same in the same way 2003 I think was a better way place to start the episode pre social media yeah pre iPhone post 9-11 America yeah so they thought it was a terrorist attack right first happened that was what the fear was and how that I think set up a better place for the apocalypse because we wouldn't be like why aren't they calling each other right and yeah because in the game it's 2013 is outbreak day yeah so it's a 10 years pushback which I really like to again I haven't played the game I want to play a play through or I want to watch a play through but yeah it's interesting to see yeah no social

media and it's like right before like again like 2013 was like kind of right in that time of like the you know all right conspiracy theory all of that that we know today is like modern social media but in 2003 it was like before all that yeah post 9-11 America I'm it was September 26th is outbreak day so that's like right when the Iraq war was starting yeah like it was such a a different time period where that kind of thing again in any time period it would wipe out America or it would wipe out the world but that has such a different grip on what life would look like then versus even 10 years later. Something that was very interested,

interesting, and we learned this, do you remember how they couldn't find the pancake mix in the first part of the episode? So I wanted to talk about that. Yeah. They were that close. So there's four different ways

that they avoid getting infected in the first episode. The first is when the grandma and the neighbor next door, they're like, do you want some biscuits? And Joel and Sarah are like, oh, maybe. And then Joel says, oh, I'm on Atkins, which is the low-carb diet.

like sweeping the nation. So he was on a low-carb diet, quote-unquote. And then Sarah was like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll come after school. That's one. Two is when she comes over and, or she can't get pancakes to make for Joel's birthday. That's two. So that's, again, flour. Three is when she goes over to those neighbor houses after school and the neighbor offers her cookies and she's like, no, I don't like oatmeal raisin. I only like chocolate chip. Then four is it was Joel's birthday And he didn't get the birth And he forgot to get the birthday cake on the way home from work

Oh my God So there are four different times in that first episode That they could have been infected and weren't Which kind of sets up of like this kind of Joel has been barely escaping death for 20 years And Isn't it sad that on outbreak day Sarah avoided getting infected

Because originally as you now know in the show they got the the cordisps started in the largest flower mill in Jakarta and amnesia so isn't it crazy that so so much had to happen for them not to get infected on outbreak day and yet she still died just out of you know yeah then gunfire wow so isn't that nuts that execution scene uh were like the soldiers being ordered to kill them i mean that was that was like heavy because you could tell the soldiers like what the hell they don't look infected and he's getting orders getting yelled at through his earpiece and he has to shoot them well and it's it's one of those things where it was it came out of nowhere yeah it was it was it was you woke up you woke up that morning and it was fine and then you went to bed that night and the world was on fire and it's not like the so it's not like anyone else had time to prep yeah you know what I mean it's not like the soldiers had more time to prep than we did from what it seems what's weird is

that like did in that situation do like they never really recognize zombies because in my brain they're not zombies they're also not dead right right there but but the whole idea of a zombie outbreak right like for example when we saw that bath salt epidemic like in 20 oh yeah when people were like losing their shit yeah yeah oh man is this zombies like some guy just chewed off someone's face right no it's just bath salts like people doing bath salts never was like is this a zombie outbreak starting and this is just like the first stuff like a lot of people cut to zombies now like if it's in the national conscious much faster than anyone did like no one's like they're guessing terrorist attack they're guessing this that but they never said zombies i found that interesting

even though they're not technically zombies so they're not technically zombies they also don't if you're i mean you're watching the show and if you played the game they don't look like the zombie that the walking dead and traditional American media has slated them to look and the whole thing with the cordyceps is that they attack the nervous system

so they're not killing you they're taking over you you know what I mean so they're not this weird undead again they have those similar tendencies but they're not dead as you see because when they die they die I didn't know

huh like if Joel or you know, Ellie or Tess or Marlene or whoever is killing and infected, it effectively dies. And they're killing a human. They're killing the human, though, that is inside of that body. I would love to see, and maybe they hopefully do an episode like this, through the eyes as someone who gets infected. And like what that process is like? They almost got into it a little when Joel's first partner dies. Oh, Tess.

Like I literally wanted to see like a first person view. getting infected of like the the transformation and like it would that would be a great episode if they're like someone who got infected they're still conscious like they still have a stream of thought but they can't do anything except obey the fungus right because the whole the whole thing is like and um like in episode five they talk about it with henry and sam but it's like is the human still inside once the infection the infection has taken over like is that human still is the soul still in there is like kind of the effective question that you're asking is the brain still active yeah in a way yeah yeah from what and again cordyceps infects ants in our lives and they've studied it and it's like yeah the brain is still functioning it's it's trying its best to fight off the cordyceps but there is still like a human being inside of there it's not it's not fully gone away based on what it's like in

ants. I mean, what's crazy is that corecepts fungus is taken by a lot of people. You, you including. Yeah, I didn't do it that much, but apparently it's great for gains. Like your muscle, you're, uh, like they put a bunch of, you know, average weightlifting males on it. And I saw a control subjects. Yeah. And they like gave it them. And the guys on the quarter steps had a much higher, uh, strength benefit after so many weeks. I don't have the exact say up but yeah I mean it which kind of makes sense if you're looking at it like they become like these crazy humans that can

jump and tear you apart and all of that kind of stuff especially if they become clickers and then bloaters and then they they turn into these just ginormous fungus jumping ahead here what the hell was that like brute monster

in episode five yeah so that's a bloater so I've done so I again I Emerson has played the game so you know what's going on please don't tell me what happens at the end of season one but um there's a there's a chain of command of how long you're infected and what you kind of turn into so that that in episode five which comes out of that sinkhole yeah that effectively kills perry is a bloater so it's when you're infected for several years and you've kind of been in a dark like you haven't been actively infecting other people you've been kind of stagnant in one place am i correct so far um i think so yeah

Yeah, and it's... And I think that also why in that episode, you know, they kind of like hinted that they pushed all the affected under the... Yeah, all of the infected are underground. He was a bit more super powered. So you basically grow... The fungus just grows out of you. So, and it hardens your...

It, because he's so big, it hardens the outside, so it's harder for them to, like, kill you because he has basically a sheet of armor on him. So was it like a jacked dude who became... I'm sure it was a big gird dude. but it was a it's just the fungus has slowly taken over he started as a normal infected

and then he's just remained stagnant and alive for long enough that the fungus has taken up enough of his body and grown outside okay so the bloater was played by a six five oh I saw a picture of this dude yeah Adam Basil Adam Basil he's he's like

what's that guy Dave Battista similar vibes he's like Batista yeah oh yeah this dude's huge yeah but again in real life i don't i or in the game i don't know what he was actually supposed to like his figure was before all of that but yeah yeah no jesus christ just going back to the hardened skin thing as well i think there's a a couple of them that have like the the hardened skin sticking out their face a little bit and it goes like it like blossoms out of their face where some of them are not like that and that's the that's the that's the clicker

because they can't see anymore but they can have they have they have echolocation and that's when they do that clicking like in episode two where there's the two clickers that's because they can't see but the clicking like signals are echolocation so they can hear you and then that's how they infect you so fun fact the shows makers have branded are okay so cinematographer even bolton revealed that the word zombie had been banned from being spoken on set oh i'm sure because again they're not zombies right but they play the same same idea right but it's different because i feel like in this version of

an undead creature or whatever, when you get infected in other zombie adaptations, it's more, you know, you immediately turn into this gory, blah, blah, blah, blah. But when you get infected, which we've seen several times with, again, in episode two, with Tass

and in the recent episodes, when you get infected, it's not an immediate turn. And it could be two minutes or two days, like how Riley says in Sunday's episode like it is a slow progression and then you become these crazy things the longer you last

in this world. There's also a bit on that in the first episode when they're in the school there's the kid at the desk and he's like twitching yeah and that's the first sign of it and I mean the grandma yeah because she's all and she's like yeah the grandma in the back remember she was in the background of one of the scenes and she starts freaking out right

right but like all of that to be said and I think about this every episode it's like how the fuck has Joel lasted this long how has anyone lasted this long without getting infected oh you know what also what happened to the dogs so I watched a YouTube

video on that like what happened to the pets in The Last of Us and it's like from what if humans can get infected with corticesps at this point there's no deniability that pets can't get infected too oh so they just killed all of them probably or I'm sure that like so much of the population has died off that no one's taking care of animals 10 years yeah 20 like in the show it's 20 year like I feel like they're because they have that dog when they go to Jackson right that sniffes out the infected oh yes true they do have that's a different and we'll get to that but like that's a different life that they're living out there so they may just keep kept domesticated pets for that long dogs that could sniff out the virus are probably very valuable

well exactly and then uh i'm like because yeah i'm remembering the first like uh like australian shepherd who was barking at the grandma and was in the in her uh the daughter's house uh and like ran in it was like something's wrong happening so like the fact that there's no like wild dogs running around or that's just not part of the show that they're showing this is a plot hole this where are the animals in the last of us yeah i mean they take the horses yeah yeah i don't know if they get infected Because I was nervous that when they were riding that horse, that the horse would get bitten and then infected them. What the fuck does that do?

Yeah. So something about the, let's talk about the warring factions amongst the, the different QZs. QZs, yeah. So there's the Fedra, I guess is FEMA in real life. FEMA turns to Fedra. It's the, it's the FEMA counterpart in this world. What?

Well, what does Fedra stand for? It's the. Oh, I know this. It's federal disaster relief response agency. Response agency. So it's FEMA. Yeah. For all intensive purposes.

Yeah. And they just took it over. They took over. I watched it. Again, none of this is like spoilers because none of it's confirmed. But I watched an analysis video and like, who is Fedra and how did they come to be? And this guy was like, we can assume.

And I don't know if this is in the game. I don't think it is because they were like, I don't know. But we like, FEMA and Fedra are counterparts. and you can assume that there's probably no higher government anymore based on the fact that these QZs are kind of their own city-states and in the show, if the outbreak is in 2003, George Bush is the president when outbreak day happens, which is tough. And then from there, it's, you know, when does Fedra take over? How long did a government last?

How long did the president last? long was there a cabinet? How long was a secretary? Like, all of those things that, how long was there a functioning government before Fedra took over? And how did Fedra take over? Did, was it a peaceful like, uh, transition of power? Probably not. And like, or did they just overtake everything? And they just were like, we're running the shit now. Because I think having Fedra run it with no consequences shows you how places like Kansas City in the QZ came to be. I'm just wondering, like, during the Iraq war, like, I wonder what happened on, like, is there a huge, like, still a base in Iraq with a bunch of soldiers who didn't get infected?

But it's like worldwide, so I'm sure that they were infected in Iraq, and they're eating bread. Right, but they... And flour. They were probably, like, that's where I feel like there might be an established QZ where there's just a bunch of form. like US so like US personnel all like because that base and I guess they I mean they have weapons yeah so that would have been probably like the best place at the start of the outbreak to sort of just like figure it out I don't know but back to Kansas City why didn't they why did they take I80 that's that the road I'm thinking yes why do they take I80 and not

that I'm not sure because in the game again not a spoiler in the game it's Pittsburgh that they have all of this go down in oh So I listen to, which I suggest if you're following the show to listen to The Last of Us podcast, not no free ads, but the companion podcast that goes with it because it gives you kind of behind the scenes of like the showrunner and the directors and what they were thinking. But they basically were just like, we needed, it's hard to replicate Pittsburgh when you're not in Pittsburgh because of all the bridges. And they wanted more time to pass for like Ellie and Joel's relationship to form. So why they took I80, I'm not sure. I'm not an interstate expert. I am a rest stop expert, but not interstate expert.

So I guess maybe it was a clear path. There's probably definitely an explanation for it. But like when they hit that truck, I totally felt like there was better ways they could have gotten through that truck. You said that, and I don't understand what you're saying, because it was a huge semi that's in the middle of the road. Where did you want them to go? I just felt like they could.

I don't know. I think they could have either. they're trying to pull the semi out using their truck which isn't that hard. You just throw it in neutral. But they don't have a toe. They have a pickup truck.

I just thought there was more creative ways they could have figured out how to get past this truck. But then you also have to remember you don't want to make a lot of noise. Yeah. Like that's the other part of it too where it's like you can't really draw attention to yourself.

Moving a semi truck could draw and make enough noise that like infected come. Or like drive back, right? Well, that's what I thought they were to do is basically just turn around and hitch another route the other side of the road

there was one that was just one tunnel the other side of the road like go back to like where like cops hang out for speeding tickets go to the other side I don't know

but you know what that's just to create plot but what's interesting is so the fireflies weren't in charge in the QZ no they're rebellion yeah rebellion

so that's a totally different group of people yeah so there's the Fedra which is who's in charge you know it's the basically

functioning government and how we've ended up where we are and then the fireflies are you know the rebellion movement that is trying to make better by whatever they deem necessary um but no they're not like a functioning government entity hmm they're just a group yeah so but what's crazy is how brutal they got because this so there's a phenomenon in history that when a authoritarian force holds like oppresses a population for such a long time the way that that population responds once they get into power is almost with worse force well I think it's it's one of the like an eye for an eye kind of thing or it's like you know how like like parents sometimes say like you know well this is how my dad was like with me or you know whatever i think it's something like

that and it's if i were in that situation and i was a firefly i'd be pissed i would be just mad that this is the world i live in also i'd have put a bullet in my head yeah i mean when u.s soldiers liberated a holocaust camp uh the prison once they released the prisoners they just went after the captured germans and like tore them limb for limb which is like an example of this right but like when there's a super terrible fascist force oppressing a group that once like so that kind of they talked about that in uh uh the the episode after the first uh after the kansas city episode okay where they were like this is a phenomenon in history and i think they use that example yeah i that's why they were so terrible and how they were literally about to kill like a little kid like sam yeah that was

heart wrenching i know hold on but Like one of my favorite quotes is from that exact time period that you're talking about where it's like, like Holocaust survivors basically like if I, if there is a God and, you know, if I die and there is a God, he would have to beg for my forgiveness. Yeah. Like, I know, right? But before we get into Henry and Sam, I think we should get into Bill and Frank. Before we get to Bill and Frank, I think we should get a little into Tess and Joel. Tess and Joel. Okay, let's back it up.

Back it up. Okay. Tess and Joel. lovers question mark yes are we talking wait test test is not she's not the one who died she she is the one who died oh okay she's the one who died in the huge yes yes his partner yeah they were definitely lovers and partners i think it was more of like you're good at what you do surviving you're good at what you do i'm good at what i do let's do it together she hopped in bed with him i think they were i think they were why wouldn't i mean why wouldn't you yeah i think they were emotionally like they're so emotionally disconnected yeah because of the world they were in and this is

something interesting because literally uh jol's first daughter sarah sarah killed killed then he has to live in a world where literally no emotions matter right war zone like literally he has to he's cut himself off emotionally to anything because if he lets anything get him it's going to cause him to break down right he's he's had to go through the worst pain imaginable why would he open himself up for that to happen again yeah so when she dies he knew that something like that might happen it's the it's the risk you have to take in that world so they just he they don't think they were truly they would have been truly connected if it like one day if they like got to jackson yeah they got to jackson they'd be like oh my god and just be all over each other it's because they finally feel safe right but in them

like you can't i mean they're too hardened people yes but no i think Tess is also I think what makes Joel so upset or not upset but nervous when she dies along with the fact that everything has happened with her and you know whatever is that she was the leader he was her counterpart like she was the one that was kind of running ship and so now he has to do it alone with this little girl who he has no idea how he's going to go with and I think the first time Joel felt emotion in years years 20 years was when the guy, the Fedra Guard was about to get. And he kills him.

Ellie. Yeah. And he kills him. And then because he just has PTSD back to when his daughter was killed. And he didn't want anything to do with Ellie. But after that moment and after Tess told him he has to. Now we got each other. Yeah.

And that I think has led to his sort of deconstruction, start of having attachment in a moment. motions towards Ellie as like a daughter has broken his whole mental and why we saw in the last episode when they were in Jackson with Tommy yeah he's starting to have some panic attacks which happens to a lot like this guy's been in you know war war zone mentality like think about like troops coming back from war zones they get back to real life they start having panic attacks because they're actually like in in it because they couldn't freeze up when they're over there Right. No. So, yeah, I think test gets infected. They have to leave tests. And it's, it's not a choice. They have to. Yeah. They can't bring tests along. She will get infected and, you know, in turn, infect them. They have to leave her. That's when he, yeah, he's like, okay, I'm on my fucking own with this piece of cargo at this point, Ellie. And how the fuck am I going to figure out how to do this on my own? And I've lost the one person who,

I did care about prior So then we're on the road with them And she and Ellie Which I agree, she's like Don't blame this on me It's not my fault that she got infected It's not my fault she died I don't want to be here with you

You know but everyone says that I'm this fucking cure Yeah big spoiler alert Big spoiler in the first 10 minutes of the episode But so don't blame this on me And don't resent me for something that I didn't do which I appreciate that she said that because again it isn't her fault unfortunately that's the world they live in where this just happens and I think I think we're going to find out in the next coming episodes that she wishes she didn't have the cure like she wishes

she don't say anything yeah yeah she wishes she probably didn't because like she I think last time we saw them she was sitting with sorry I'm terrible with character names who's the firefly in the mall Riley Riley I wanted to say Rue but that's Hunger Game That's Hunger Games. Yeah. And funnily enough, she plays Rue's sister in Euphoria. Huh. Isn't Rue, Euphoria's name is well?

That's the main character in Euphoria. She plays her sister. Yeah. There's Rue and Hunger Games, too. There is a Rue and Hunger Games. You're right. Yeah. Who also dies.

Yeah, yeah. So she's probably like waiting to die with her best friend, maybe. Crush. Crush. I mean, I think they made that apparent. I mean, the kiss. they did Riley and Sarah

Riley and Ellie yeah Wait when did they kiss In the episode Billy right before they get infected Billy Oh I forgot about that Yeah Oh so they are lovers

Not lovers They're 14 and they had a kiss But they had a crush on each other Yeah But yeah no you see that I don't know if it's that Ellie doesn't want to be the cure It's that

She is nervous for what this means and also like she said everyone that she knows and loves has left her yeah besides Joel so she doesn't want that loss of Riley similar to how Joel has that loss of Sarah the closest person you have in this world she doesn't want to go through that pain again of losing Joel which we see

anyways Bill and Frank Bill and Frank that was one of the greatest TV episodes love stories ever Also shout up PFTP. He just caught up yesterday. I was talking about it after we recorded and he was like, he said he's excited to hear this. But he was like Bill and Frank. That's like the best episode of TV I've ever seen, which I agree. There's probably recency bias. Probably. But that like just like because there was they did the, I think the writers did it the best way because it didn't feel like. And I don't want to just come off badly, but it didn't feel like a forced. same-sex couple. Mm-hmm. Like, they had elements.

Them being gay wasn't the point of the story. Like, you, like, I remember, like, at the end of the episode, I'm, like, seeing these two dudes kiss and... Crying. Yeah, I'm like, oh, my God. But, like,

it was, it was, like, something that we've never seen on TV because there was intricacies that don't get portrayed much in Hollywood. Normal. Yeah.

Yeah. But, like, him, also him being, like, a like a Alex Jones conspiracy theorist him being like um his parks and rec character yeah yeah Ron Swanson him being Ron Swanson in this show yeah and it is an interesting take on it because I won't say what happens but I know it's different in the game I know that that plot is different I won't say what it is in the game I heard he's he found his that's my partner who is hanging and like that like that could have been interpreted that he was gay because this

games different they don't die together anyway anyway yeah no game but um yeah i i mean just such a great episode of tv i was emotionally rack and i think it also shows that like this is our first glimpse of seeing we see it in jackson later but that's our first glimpse of showing like people do live lives in this in this world that aren't in a qz and they aren't miserable terrible beings when they fought when oh when he wanted to to make the house pretty. He's like, let me love it the way I love it. And there he goes, and we're having guests over.

And like having Bill go along, Frank. Bill is Nick Offerman. Yeah, having Bill go along with it just like that just showed like, because he was so anti, so isolationist. Yeah. And he was allowing, you know, first he broke down a wall by having Frank come in. And now he's breaking down another wall. By having Joel and Tess come in.

And you can see. I mean him with the gun pointing out at the dinner table just like doing something and that actually showed how much he loves him he's like I fucking would never let anybody into my compound that I've spent years building right I was listening to the podcasts about this episode and they were like that shows the two differences of how people love bill wants to protect frank and wants nothing to hurt frank and he wants to keep him in this little bubble that he'll never get hurt and frank wants to bring love in and be like look at how beautiful this life can be if we let it be and those are like the two dichotomies of their love for each other and I mean it also shows that like

what I said earlier like people again it's a different life but people survive and and good things could happen in this world sometimes and obviously the end of their story is them dying but it's not and a sad ending. How funny was it when Bill took out a bottle of Caymus? I was dying. Back story. Back story. Arian loves Camus, which is this fancy wine.

And every time we're with Aryan, he drinks Camus. And it's also whoever likes my dad, my dad's favorite wine too. But he brings out this huge palette of Camus, which where are you getting? I guess the liquor store in town. But I thought the same. thing. I was like, oh my God, this is so funny. But I, the way that they, it's similar to a Joel and test where they're more emotional and they're more open with how they're feeling because they're not living in a QZ and have to, you know, have their guard on 24-7. But it is like,

at the beginning, what can I do for you? What can you do for me? Yeah. He's like, can I just be fed and have a shower? And then it turns into, you know, And then he starts playing the piano, playing Linda Rothstadt. I mean, the whole, like, making a whole dinner for yourself, red wine. And then, like, Frank comes in and his gay d'ar is just going off. And he's like, this dude, 100%. Like, tough exterior, but very soft. And then Frank is like, who's the girl?

Basically confirming what he already knows. Who's the girl? There is no girl. And he says, I know. and it is it is one of those things where it's like it's not a gay love story it's a love story nonetheless everyone every single person could connect to bill and frank and be like this is if i had to be in this this is what i would want yeah like they love each other they love each other and i would put it as one of the best love story i put it up there with the notebook as they kind of died the same way

yeah together kind of yeah they i'd put it up there with that totally as like just as a love store pure love yeah yes honestly i found it more interesting than the notebook well it's more it's definitely more interesting yeah yeah like i was more entertained by it yeah it was it was one of the best pieces of television i've ever sat down and watched but oh and you know what when uh when bill gets shot oh yeah when bill gets shot and the flame throwers are going off and he's like call Joel yeah and then it cuts off and then we think he's dead like oh is he dead like oh he's in a wheelchair oh no Frank's in a wheelchair and that was like that was like what I mean bill is not bill is not going down that easily yeah and he also hates Joel in the shell

yeah but he but he puts up with him he respects Joel because of what again he's recognized again they both recognize this respect for each other of like you've survived the song I've survived song you what can you do for me and what can i do for you well the thing is in you know that post apocalyptic world uh joel represents everything bill hates someone who's moving around wheelie dealing do it does anything to survive would 100% if he wasn't in that uh like his smuggler if he wasn't with test and didn't contact frank he probably would have ran up on bill and tried to steal supplies from him totally like so that juxtaposition of like him being like Bill being a sheep dog

and Joel obviously being a wolf like he's like very wary of him the whole time One of my favorite lines from that episode is When Frank is trying to get Bill To let him like decorate the house how he wants And he's like you think all of the government is Nazis And he goes they are Now they are

They were the whole time But yeah And then I mean they end it in the best way possible Of they die together And then again Joel and Ellie show up and the letter rips me apart

I was happy when everyone died and then I found someone worth saving and it was free but that leads us into you know Joel and Ellie get supplies they take a pit stop there and then they get into Kansas City

I don't understand why they wouldn't well because she has the cure why the fuck aren't they stopping in Jackson yeah why If I were them, but I am weaker than them. Stopping and jet. Oh, yeah. And just being like, I'm with my brother.

I have a house to be, like, I would quit so easily. Like the same, we're like, we could save the world, but no. We also don't have to. Yeah. Yeah. But that's when, I mean, Joel breaking down, we seized the first part, like, I think the combination of Ellie and his brother being there and him finally showing emotions. like sort of like that's what is causing a lot of his anxiety attacks because now he's like

he's always had all this anxiety but now he can show emotion he's like oh no it's hitting me right and i think episode four is when you see so after bill and frank episode four is when you see that breakdown of jules getting emotionally attached to ali it's when it's when that cute scene is of them in the car and she finds the porn magazine and she's like what's all this like and you see that they're on this road trip and he's listening to the hank will you you see them start to break down that guard that they have for one another and start to care about each other as human as human beings rather than just you're trying to get me from point in the pun joke book yeah that breaks down and he's giggling right and it it breaks that down and

i think once they get to kansas city and then they have um ellie has to shoot that guy and then they have that conversation of you know i'm sorry you had to do that for me because again, Bill, or, not Bill, sorry, Joel isn't reacting as quickly because he's going deaf because of the shots. Oh. Like the gun, yes. So he's, how do we know that? It's like a well-known.

How they commented that he's going death? In here, in the podcast. And it's like, if you're going, you can hear, he talks about it. He can't hear out of his, I want to say right ear. His right ear, because that's, actually, no. I'm trying to think about when I've shot a gun, which ear it hurts the most. It kind of hurts the left, because the black, I don't know. But one of his ears is going deaf.

And so he sleeps on that ear. So he, or he sleeps on the other ear so he can't hear those guys coming up on him. Yeah. So Ellie does, obviously. That's why he always turns away from her. And so Ellie obviously hears them. And Ellie took the gun from Bill and Franks. So she was able to shoot them.

And then they have that conversation. He goes, you know, I remember the first time I. shot someone you know i'm so sorry you had to do that at such a young age i'm sorry that i wasn't able to protect you and she's like well it's not my first time well she she's shot an infected she thinks she's also killed a person well we don't know at that point because that that's what i was thinking when she was talking about because we know she had to run with infected and she killed it infected in the basement of the when she slashes the yeah yeah but i think this is her first time shoot or Joel thinks this is her first time shooting I think she may have shot somebody I think

we're going to find out that she's shot a human before well okay hold on just my prediction so I think I have I think I know what you hold on let me get there but they have that conversation that kind of breaks down that emotional barrier at least and yeah yes oh yeah she shot yeah Riley yeah but we'll get to that hold on don't again don't tell me um oh my god that's such a great way for them to line it up because you think oh that's what she's shot but it's oh my god so again not confirmed and i have no idea but that's what i think also they butchered 10 miles outside of boston and like i mean you went to college yeah in massachusetts i mean that's so funny because i know my my friends who are like from boston they're like i live 10 miles outside of boston where is

that i want to go to that in the middle of the berkshires yeah like where's that beautiful stream like I'm 10 miles yeah and then the having a cumbies is like such a that's such is that a is that a Massachusetts thing I don't know of this like such a nasty such a northeast thing okay like cumbies is for people is that like a wawa yes okay yeah combies is like Duncan donuts for people who need to get gas and are like yeah yeah coffee isn't as good as Duncan but like a lot of people stock up there okay but yeah so episode four you kind of see them try to figure out they're in kansas city now like what the fuck and then you also see kathleen you start to see kathleen who is one of the scariest characters in my opinion and i don't think she's in the game from what i've

heard i heard that she's like a new character that they've developed in the game or in the show um because she sounds and every character she's played in other roles has been very sweet very like cute someone like me yeah that me calling myself sweet and cute but no but you know what I mean like yeah very innocent and it's like a kindergarten teacher yeah being like kill them yeah and she says it I mean I think that just goes to show how much that Fedra like fascism like really causes regular sweet people to literally become like kill everybody and there is no i what i like about this show and how they depict it is there's no good and no bad because you kind of see both sides again kathleen is trying to kill what we find out is henry and sam but you kind of

know why and you you sympathize her they they killed her brother and she loved her brother so much They didn't, I think they, they were just informers. No, Henry killed the brother for leukemia supplies. Oh, he did? Wait, wait. Henry killed her brother. To get supplies for leukemia. Didn't the brother get captured and beaten in a,

so maybe you're right? I think you killed somebody else, another firefly. Because remember she was in the facility with the old guy? And he was like, wow, I wonder if this was the cell that my brother got beaten death in. You're right. But who did. killed with the leukemia supplies. He turned he turned he did it was something with Kathleen's brother that's why she wants Henry dead maybe two brothers no brother no it's the same brother it's

the same brother okay but um you see these people turn and again like Joel is Joe always talks about how he's a bad guy and how he's not a good person but I don't see it like that again because there is just no moral compass when you're in a world like this you have to do what you have to do to survive and if that's kill people if that's you know turn people in like you just have to do what you think is the right thing in that moment so she is someone who i'm sure before outbreak day was quite great yeah very not lived a very normal life midwestern midwestern and then you get sucked into this world and they're they're just the moral compass goes away oh go goes away. I think there was a scene where she brushes by someone and goes, oh, sorry, excuse me.

I mean, I do that still. But, yeah, so we get, we get a Joel and Ellie relationship that forms with them getting it to Kansas City. And they crash into the convenience store. And then Ellie has to shoot someone. And then we also see this other side of it where Henry and Sam are, or Kathleen is trying to find Henry and Sam. And we are like trying to figure out who Henry and Sam are. Um, but Henry, also when Henry was turning and Sam, yeah, Sam, Sam, Sam's the deaf. Sam's the deaf. Yeah. So when Sam was, uh, like turning and you see Ellie just rubbing her blood, trying to like. Which let's, so let's get to, let's get to episode five. Let's get to Henry and Sam. Yeah. So you, you end up to episode four and start episode five with them pointing guns at Joel and Ellie. Yeah.

You learn that they're unloaded. and that they were never planning on shooting them. Yeah. Because at the end of the day, Henry, especially Sam, obviously. He's like an eight-year-old. But Henry is not a violent person in nature. But he was like the closest thing I've ever done to being violent is put an unloaded gun in your face.

So we see them. I could, I mean, Sam is one of the cutest little boys. He is just so sweet. And you see how much Henry and Sam care for each other with, him trying to protect Sam, obviously him putting himself in danger with Kathleen to get the leukemia supplies for Sam. And that, again, is representation, not like Bill and Frank, obviously, it's a sibling relationship, but how much love there still is and what you're willing to do for the people you left in this world. It's not like he's leaving Sam out, like, out for dead.

Yeah. And where was that, that, like, nursery type place like it looked like a classroom that they oh so that's so that is underground yeah and that's where some people went after outbreak day and they basically formed little communities down there huh what happened to them well they all the all the people push the infected underground yeah but um i think i think having henry and sam in that does a good job of also mirroring Joel and Ellie's relationship because it's like Joel is obviously a Henry

willing to do anything at this we're starting to get to the point of Joel is willing to do anything to protect Ellie and vice versa with Henry and Sam and so you see this and again you you have no choice but to like adore Sam he's so

sweet he's writing on his little etcha sketch pad you know he has his little Superman mask on and it again the world is unfair and you don't want these people to have to go through something like this and especially like especially when he's like I'm hungry and then the doctor who they were staying with gets killed by Kathleen and as an eight-year-old you have to deal with those realities I mean I have never had to deal with the reality of hiding in a bunker and you know rationing at my food um so you see that there and you see what it's like for a really young kid who's

not ellie who you know ellie grew up in fedra school and was kind of shipped away from all of that and kind of hid was hidden from all of that for a while but you see what sam was like when he's grown up in that world obviously born after outbreak day and i think it just shows like a very good mirror of how much Joel and Ellie are going to care about each other, eventually, which we are starting to obviously see in these more recent episodes. But I also think that was such a great. I think that was my second favorite episode. Really? Besides episode three. Was that episode four? Five. That was episode five. So three is Bill and Frank. Four is when they're driving. And then they hit Kansas City. Five is Henry and Sam. A lot of people didn't like episode four. I think it was more of like a transition piece.

Yeah, I liked episode four I did too I liked when they're silly and they don't and they're not constantly like upset Yeah Like I like that That's why I liked

I really liked the Riley and Ellie episode Which a lot of people on Twitter Were like well it was so boring I liked that We didn't have to constantly be on guard And I could You know I knew

Well I mean obviously you know What's gonna fucking happen But She says I ran in I got bit in the mall So like the whole time Like you're like You're like

Also it's like every every character that gets introduced and the show dies within like an episode besides Joel and Ellie. And but yeah, so you, episode five with Henry and Sam, I just adored them. And I,

again, though, you see the other side of Kathleen trying to kill him and be like, kill the kid, kill Henry. I don't care. And Perry's like, look, I know that you're upset.

And he's become her right hand man. I know you're upset. I know your brother's dead. but he didn't change anything like you did because also like they have taken over the Kansas City Cusie so she's basically in charge now and he's like you're the he's like you're the one that's actually changing things around here like as much as we all loved your brother he was not the one that changed things so that leads you to believe also funnily enough that guy who plays Perry is Tommy in the game oh funny fact

but we'll keep going. How does that sinkhole open up again? The car. Yeah. That lights on fire. Oh, yeah. Then it goes down. Yeah.

So then we get into, you know, they're running away. Then we have Kathleen and her posse pull up. Boom, sinkhole. Yeah. They're infected. Damn. And that was one of the scariest scenes in the show so far for me. Because it shows just so much.

And then the bloater comes and rips Perry's head off. Yeah. And I also found it funny that I've seen this a couple of places that a child is the one that kills Kathleen. Yeah. Because she's like, you know, what's, what was this all worth? Was this all worth Sam? Like, was Sam really worth all this?

Like, why is he worth more than my brother? Yeah. You know, like, what's the line? Would you really, like, do anything in this world for this little kid? Like, kids die all the time, which is. awful line to say but she's like kids die all the time like what what makes sam so different obviously it's because it's his brother but um you see that and you she kind of just harper harps on the fact that she's like kids aren't that important like they're not more important than you and i

and then she comes and gets her head ripped off by like a blues clues wearing kid infected And Joel has a sick shot Yeah Which is what we I mean what we see But what's funny is Joel's not the one who went into the army It was his brother So

He was a contractor Yeah So that's kind of It's because a lot of people think Like tries to figure out Why he was such a good shot I feel like 20 years worth of practice Probably helps

I mean right Isn't that probably I mean I think it's just practice Yeah It's also like I have to Like I have to become good at this or yeah and plus you know like selective elimination if he wasn't he would be right it's survival of the fittest in that scenario also they're from texas i'm sure he had weapons yeah oh he did we see it on outbreak day

but i'm sure that he had practice with a shotgun before that you know for outbreak day and then you you just have to hone your skills to survive in a situation like that um but yeah so then you see all of them get infected and then they get to the motel and then let me see Sam is infected that one again you kind it's not that it's predictable but you know it's coming because you know that this journey

can only be done by Joel and Ellie and you see him with the infection and he asks Ellie is it's are the humans still inside when they're infected and I was like full crying at this point and Ellie says my blood is medicine tries to rub her blood on him

because in her brain again or what she's been being told is people have been telling her blood may be medicine so it's not crazy to think that she would try and again she loves Sam from what we can see and they play together

and she's grown to spawn to him and she or he has brought out this childlike wonder that she does not have anymore because she is also hardened and she kind of gets brought back to life with by him and she would do anything to save him at this point and she cuts herself and robs it on the infected infected wound and then promises to stay up with him then we see obviously she wakes she didn't stay up all night she falls asleep he's turned away from her because all she have to remember he's deaf

so his echolocation that infected have isn't a thing here because he's deaf so he that's why in my brain I think he's turned away of like I can't if I can't see her

like it's object permanence basically if I can't see her she's on there he did it on purpose one can assume because it's like he can't hear where she is and track with echolocation so if she doesn't touch him he can't tell where she is kind of thing hopefully realizing i mean that was the most he could do right i thought when i've watched that episode when i watched that part for the first time when he inevitably and then she

touches him and he tries to attack her i thought it was a joke i thought he was just playing and then obviously it is not a joke and plus i mean it's a good thing he ruined with her because he knew would be the first ones come in contact and then the other two could be infected would then figure it out so yeah so he so that's why she like touches his shoulder and then he attacks yeah because he there is no other way for him to sense who's there wow uh-huh and and so then and again that also goes back to the question so henry is the one that kills him yeah if again obviously sam isn't fully a huge infected person yet that, like, Sam is still in there and, like, knows that his brother is the one that killed him.

Yeah. Damn. So when he shot him and then he realized that the only reason he was even living was because of that little kid. Damn. Right. And then he shoots himself. And then, like, imagine having to, like, witness that. Imagine being Ellie or Joel witnessed.

I think he witnessed a lot up to this point. Right. But just being, like, like, what the fuck? I know. Her acting in that in that scene of him killing himself and the shriek she lets out is like one of the most, again, have never been in that situation, but is one of the most like realistic pure fear. It's not this like, like jacked up reaction. It's it's she's just scared. Do you think like the director didn't tell her what was going to happen?

He just did that right on the spot. Well, it's not like he dies in real life. I know, I know, but just to surprise her. I don't get a better reaction Right But it is that like Like It's a shock

And then like when They bury him Both of them And she writes on the thing I'm sorry Oh damn Like It is so sad

Because she loved him And And It's an 8 year old deaf kid Yeah Like You don't want Like that's just the last

thing that you want to be happening And then they then they have to just kind of keep going on her journey and then she's like let's go it's it's the only way you can go in that show you can't harp on those losses like that or you'll go crazy you know because it's like if you harped on every single person you'd lost you lose that like i mean you've lost everyone you you couldn't go on and i and then we go into episode six which is um when they are into jackson yeah and they it's three months

later they do a time jump and you see they're on a horse yeah and they are or no just kidding just kidding they get the horse in jacks they get the horse in jacks i'm so sorry they run into the hunting cabin which i thought was very funny yeah and he's like what's the best way west go east because they they go to the river of death and they think it's full of raiders and realize it's the wrong river so then they run into this gang of the jackson people and they have the dog that sniffs out infected which is scary because if it sniffs out Ellie they just shoot Ellie on spot yeah um which that truly means that she eliminates the fungus in her body I guess or yeah I don't know if it's eliminated I think that's the thing is that the cortisps is still in there it's just not

affecting her brain like it's crazy or it's not affecting her nervous system like immune system are only really known to like so what do you think makes her immune i don't think we know that yet do do you find that out in the game um i don't think so i don't remember yeah i again i watched an analysis video on it i watched a lot of analysis if you looked at my youtube history right now it's all last of us analysis there's a theory that makes sense that i will not say okay i'll tell you later she has antifungal properties like how that's a good question again i don't know but she she's immune to yeast infections too she doesn't get uti's like no fungus but doesn't get athletes full it would probably be better but so she doesn't get smelled as infected through

the dog and they're like okay you can come with us and they get to jackson which which is a, compared to what we've been seeing, a paradise. Yeah. And they run into Tommy. Yeah. Tommy's a scumbag for not reaching out. How are you reaching out in that world? What was the radio?

Oh, no, the radio was just a Bill and Frank. Bill and Frank, and that was like they played the different songs. But those guys have radios. No, but didn't Tommy's misses say that he's not allowed to talk in the radio? Because they'll find out where they are. Yeah. Yeah. Because they're trying to, I mean, they're trying to keep that shit.

tight so and also like Joel didn't know where Tommy was because Tommy joined the fireflies and then got apparently got out of the fire like there was a lot of mystery that we didn't know about Tommy before then so they get to Jackson literally paradise on earth yeah if you're in that world um and you see again like how Bill and Frank had a little tiny glimpse of that you see a whole community that's living and thriving thriving in that world yeah thriving and you see them and what could be you know if if life if life was normal again what would it look like and it's and it's jackson and you see Tommy you meet Maria who is Tommy's wife we found out and in my head the whole episode was like why the fuck aren't they staying here and ditching

the cure thing like I would be I would be in my bed cozyed up taking a shower so fast you couldn't even think about it. And, you know, Joel's starting to have these panic attacks. Yeah. Because he's, there's a lot going on, obviously, but also he's growing closer to Ellie emotionally. And he has that heart to heart with Tommy of like, I can't, I can't take care of her. I'm not built for this anymore. Yeah.

That's very, that's something that, I mean, that's, that's, that's, so just like because he's panicked that he might panic in real like in a you know big scenario right he's he mentions he was like the dog came up to ellie five years ago they would have all been dead but i had i i just stood there i couldn't do anything yeah and you you are starting to see he's caring about ellie the way he cared about sarah and it's terrifying to him because he's like i don't want to lose another sarah you know and there's that point and the episode where you see the back of that woman's head that looks exactly like Sarah and he's like this is and her daughter's running up to her this is what Joel could have Sarah 20 years later

would be 34 you know like these are things that could have happened if if she was alive and it hurts him because that's the one thing that like continues to hurt him after 20 years is that Sarah is dead and so you see this and you're like he's he's he's he's he's getting nervous he wants to take her on that journey to eastern colorado and then ellie has one of my favorite scenes from the show when she's like this is all they cared about and she's reading the girl's diary that she's um the room she's staying in because she finds out about sarah after maria's like oh sarah's actually joel's daughter and she's like hmm which i forgot she didn't know about sarah until then yeah and then he confronts you

what you think just because you couldn't save your first daughter that I'm going to die. Right. And she, and she, he goes, you don't know loss. And she goes, everyone I love has either died or left me except fucking for you. Yeah. And which we learn in the next episode that just came out who she loves that has died, meaning Riley. But he's like, I, fuck you, I'm done. Like, you're going with Tommy.

We should put this out on Sunday before the next episode. We can do that. Yeah. So people who are like trying to warm up catch up. A little warm up sash. Like, oh man, can't wait to last us tonight. I know. This podcast.

Yeah. Just fill you all in. Perfect. But you see that and it's not that he doesn't love Ellie. It's that he loves her and doesn't want her to get hurt. And he thinks that he can't do a proper job of getting her to the fireflies and to, you know, get the vaccine made and all that. And he's like begging Tommy to go. And Tommy's like, look, Maria's pregnant.

I don't want to go even though he's made that journey before it's not worth it I don't know this girl you know I haven't developed that emotional connection that I that you have basically like I don't want to go and Joel finally convinces him and then he goes he goes and gets the horse ready and he's there waiting and he said I'm going to give you a choice and she goes let's go why didn't Tommy come too so you've mentioned that to me too and I I think it's a numbers game is why have more when you can have less?

Well, why have less when you can have more? Because why would Joel want to bring two people that he loves the most in a chance to get hurt? And Tommy didn't want to go in the first place. Tommy wanted to stay with Maria because she's pregnant and he just didn't want to go on the journey. Like he just didn't want to do that. True.

And so why go if you don't have to, especially for someone that you don't know. He doesn't know Ellie. Like this isn't someone that he's had that same emotional connection with. so it doesn't mean as much to him. And I think in their heads, I would hope they're thinking, okay, we'll go to Colorado, we'll go get the fireflies. We'll go get Ellie's cure. And then we'll come back.

And, again, who knows if they end up doing that. That's what we as show viewers have to watch. But yeah, like the whole Tommy going instead of Joel, obviously was never going to happen. because they are main characters in the show but you Ellie does not feel safe with Tommy which she says which makes sense

you've gone from Boston to Wyoming with this person and he's saved you from death multiple times and vice versa like I I wouldn't I feel for Ellie in that position but I all again it's one of those things that there's no good or bad I feel for Tommy I feel for Joel I feel for Ellie I feel for everyone in that of like why try to why why why risk dying if you don't have to here in this perfect they watch movies like yeah they are they are as close to normalcy as i'm sure the world has at that point yeah and then

they they eastern colorado is where they go and so wait why i think it was montana state i don't know but eastern colorado oh were they the ram yeah i think in real life they're at colorado state i don't think it's a real college. Yeah. I think I'm mixed up by the colors. I think Montana State is. I don't know anything about Montana State. But they get the horse. They hitch their rate of Colorado. Do you see the lab monkeys escape? Yeah, which they seemed very chill about that. I would freak out about the monkeys. Personally, could the monkeys get the virus? I don't know. Let's, let me Google it. I mean, I guess that's why they kept running away from anybody that looked like a Walker. Can animals get infected in The Last of Us? Oh, that's the first thing. They're carriers, but they can't actually be infected properly. The Fireflies infected monkeys with cordyceps. I think that they were just carriers, though. In real life, cordyceps, fungi, mostly infects insects and spiders.

Cattle aren't immune to corticeps in the last of us, but they're found in areas considered too remote for infected people. Wait, so again, this is from, like, I think these are just like fans that are figuring it out, but it's simple. Cattle aren't. He's not. He's not. He's not. He's not. He's, human, sorry, cattle aren't immune to cordyceps in The Last of Us, but they're found in areas considered too remote for infected people miles away from any QZs. So it's like places like Jackson. Yeah, so if they get bit by a cow, it's a cortisept's cow. I mean, because, so if you get bit by a monkey and they're a carrier, you can get infected. Yeah, I guess.

From what I'm seeing, again, I don't think it's confirmed by anyone, but it's like animals can get infected, but it doesn't affect them the same. way. Montana State is the bobcats. No. Who's Montana? University of Montana. But they get to Eastern Colorado.

The lab monkeys are there. And then they find Raiders. Yeah. Which obviously ends poorly. And I don't really know. Again, this is kind of, I don't know what they were doing in Eastern Colorado. They couldn't even find anyone. So it seems as if the fireflies were pushed out by Raiders.

Am I correct? to assume that. I don't think they touch on it in the game. Right, because it's like... I think they just turn up and it's all... Raiders. Yeah, there's no excuse. Colorado State is the Rams.

Yeah. Oh, that's yeah. Okay, that makes more sense. And, but in the game, or in the show, it's Eastern Colorado. But, yeah, so it's assumed because there's the Firefly markings on the campus, but it's assumed, I guess,

that the Raiders have pushed out the Firefly. Lyser killed them. And then Joel gets stabbed. Yeah. Bad. Raider misses with the axe, stabs him with a stake.

Which I didn't know, but I feel like Joel would know. Wouldn't you leave it in? So you don't bleed out? Isn't that like what happens? For bids to happed, but. I think,

I don't know if that applies. I think it's like a dull, I think it's a lot less I think it was a lot less deep because remember he survives I don't think it pierced any organs but he's bleeding out yeah

like when you do you again you would know this more than I would of when he get when keeping the steak in stop him from bleeding out the thing is I think it's a little different when it's a steak yeah

as opposed to a knife probably or a bar, like a piece of rebar. Mm-hmm. Yeah, but bad news bears for Joel. And... Well, so the game differs. The game's a bit better.

Yeah. He has like a tumble from like a building and gets actually... And he gets impaled. So he has to get ripped out that way, which I kind of wish they kept it. Ew. That's just... That gives me the he be cheebies. Then L.U. Stitches are up.

Mm. Yeah. So, well, first... They get him on the horse and kill the Raiders. And then they're trucking along and he falls on the railroad tracks and he falls off the horse and is in one way or another dying. Yeah. And Ellie's like, I can't do this without you. You can't die. And again, I like, I know he's not going to die. But I'm like, how the fuck is he not going to die? Yeah. So then it cuts to episode seven, which was the most recent episode. Ellie as the badass she is

somehow drags him into an abandoned home Parks the horse Think about this. Parkes the horse inside the living room so that people can't see if there were raiders or infected Can't see the horse from the outside And is trying to do what she can to take care of him And not have Joel die

And then it cuts to a flashback Of Riley and Ellie in the Fedra school or Ellie in the Fedra school she's getting bullied listening to Pearl Jam on her Walkman which again is another thing where it's like there was no iPods yet I don't know if people were listening to Walkman's 2003

we were four but like that's still you forget that technology isn't caught up to them and honestly that technology probably lasted a lot longer way it's like how like the joke that like Nokia phones last forever but you see that you see Riley's kind of or sorry Ellie's kind of origin story

where she was in the federal school she's a troublemaker in school she gets pulled in the principal's office basically and he's like you could be me you can live a life that is comfortable and safe and you know you can tell people

to fuck off but you can't do that if you're fucking around and beating up Bethany squad platoon leader right and he also mentions that she's been in the whole three times which is like I think solitary confinement yeah which is scary for like a 13 14 year old girl to have gone into solitary confinement three times but think about it fedra is probably like well

obviously federation like we just leave you alone yeah it's not that bad no i'm out totally but it is crazy that that's like how they deal with rapscallion little rebellion people in the show and then we see I also like how they show Ellie's room and she has just posters everywhere. She has the Mortal Kombat poster. Like it shows that she, which we see obviously in the show, but she has this like fully fleshed out personality

and like fully has a life before we see her now. And also this is, this episode takes place only like three weeks before we meet them in the first episode. So obviously we see the bed's missing or someone's missing from the other bed in the room. Boop. Rarely comes.

Yeah. And we see their best friends. And then she's like, let's go to the mall. BT-dubs. I'm a firefly. Yeah. Which, it just makes me so sad.

Why? Because if, if, if, it's one of those things where it's like, I've had a million of these moments where it's like, if I just didn't do that one thing, like, shit wouldn't have hit the fan. They just didn't go to the mall. If they stayed on the roof. But you want to show her how fun the mall was. Right, exactly.

But again, it's just like if you didn't do that thing, which again is at the end of the episode two, where they go to the mall and it's one of the coolest shots ever of all the lights turning on and going down all of the stores. But you see them and they're having fun and they're going to Victoria's Secret. And they're arcade, which are they more interested in. Yeah, and they're playing the Mortal Kombat. And then they're playing the Mortal Kombat too,

which remember a couple episodes back Ellie finds Mortal Kombat 2 game in whatever I think in Kansas City or in the Kumberland Farts whatever and she's like oh I used to play this with my best friend and they played as that

whatever Michelin character and she would barf up your bones and then wow huh but yeah so and again and it's so sad that like poor little Riley is like 14 and she's like I'm going to join this rebellion army

I mean it's not that much different in war zones across the world like child soldiers very sad very true I don't know if fireflies are like that good again I don't think there's a moral compass though I just think they don't like Fedra and they want they want to take over yeah and Fedra is like if we find a cure we have to relinquish power I don't even think it's that I think it's just they're trying to exist. In comparison to her as a firefly, after all that talking to by the headmaster, why am I forgetting her name at this moment? Ellie.

Ellie just is a full on fascist. Yeah, which I feel like you kind of see throughout the show anyways. Yeah, she's just like, you guys kill civilians. Like if it wasn't for Fedra, like this place would be in chaos. Which I feel like she's kind of not brainwashed, but she thinks that she can do good if she stays with this Fedra school. Like she thinks that she can change things. Yeah.

Which who knows if she, you know, stayed, maybe she could have. And she's probably going to change things in another way as being the cure. Yeah. But I, I, it was, it was just so suspenseful because they're having fun. They're playing games. You know something bad's going to happen. you know this is how she gets infected. And then you see the infected on the wall.

Yeah. I mean, before they showed that, I was like, oh, man, when they were like in the photo booth, I was like, this is when they're going to get hit. Because if you can tell, they were playing horror movie music the whole time. Well, they were playing take on me a lot. In the beginning. But there's certain moments where there's a certain, what's it called? There's a certain audio frequency that I'm actually going to play that.

is supposed to make everything eerie, horror movie frequency. So whenever I hear it, seven tricks. The human ear is best at registering sounds above the frequency of 20 hertz. Anything below that is called infrasound. Horror movies like paranormal activity uses sounds right around the 20 hertz threshold called sub-based sounds. Infrasound. Yeah, horror movie infrasound. So I can sometimes hear that.

Is it like when a dog can hear things and we can't? No, wait, Infrasetra, this inaudible sound that makes movies scarier. Wait, let me play it. It's one of the most prestigious and exclusive international film vessel is beautiful. Wait, one second. But I can pick up on it Like, because I can tell something's off I'm like, oh, this is about to be a jump scare

20 hertz sound Hopefully this isn't Hopefully doesn't scare you oh this is the whole spectrum wait there's a whole let me find the exact sound okay 20 oh wait you see because literally when that plays it's in every horror movie and when there's about to be something scary that that's so that starts playing so throughout like when they were in the photo booth they were playing that sound when they were the photo booth is when I thought things were going to happen because they were like in that little secluded area um when they were in the costume

shop that's so like i think they you like you're already they were wearing like scary masks yeah so i think that was like like oh why am i feeling scared right now scary masks like that's like horror movie i actually should have talked to when we interviewed uh roman oh the guy from yeah the bear jew yeah from glorious bastards yeah who's a very famous a horror movie director Romance? No. Why am I forgetting so many names right now? But anyway, like that's a tactic. You've had a long night. I know. I did. So when I was

I was in the ER last night, I had an allergic reaction. Eli Roth. Eli Roth. Yeah, I get a text from Billy this morning. Hey, hey, what time do you want to go today? I just got home from the ER. Actually, long story. Turns out my dog doesn't have fleas. yeah I took him to the groomer this morning I was like can you give him a flea bath I think he's got fleas

because I was just like I had a bunch of hives last night and I was like oh they must be flea bites I mean you had to leave Thursday's episode to get to the city MD went to the city MD took my shoe off and I thought you were gonna lose your leg I was like I felt like infected

yeah and anyway they said you need to go to the ER and I was like what the hell like what I think they're like bug bites can't you like give me some Benadryl what I'm really was looking for was there's like an anti-inflammatory steroid. Anyway, they told me to go to the ER. I went to the ER and they're like, what the hell? And they're like, I got an IV. What'd they say what? I got

Tordol. I don't know what that is. That's like a famous NFL drug. They tell you not to take. Is it a steroid? Yeah, it just makes you not feel pain. Oh. And it's just super anti-inflammatory. So what did they say that Whitey and you have? Well, Whitey, I don't think has anything wrong with him. I think I just blamed it on him. Has Whitey been itching? He wasn't. That's why I was so confused. And you are. But there was like, sometimes you can see little like flex.

Okay. If you run underwater and if they turn red, that's supposed to be fleas. Fleeze. Like, because that's the blood they leave over. Yeah. And I was like, wait a second. What? Also, I feel like you'd know White he's white.

Yeah. And the guy was like, yeah, there's no fleas. So. And I was like, like, like, anyway, uh, moving on. Glad you're okay. Yeah. They're in the mall. They're in the mall.

Guy gets attacked. And he was like, remember when they saw like some of those infected that were like spread out against the wall? Yeah. And like they're dead. So that one was like almost dead. That one was so close to being dead. And then it just picked up. It picked up them.

Ha ha ha. Yeah. Which because. So. it must have been almost almost said because Riley had been living there for weeks and she's like well there's been non-infected here yeah and so it was like again it's like they were so close and then she reveals that she's going to Atlanta tomorrow and this is her last night in Boston and then Ellie leaves and if Ellie didn't come back she wouldn't have gotten infected yeah again it has a

different fate for her than most but she wouldn't have gotten infected Riley probably wouldn't have gotten infected again it'd be sad because Riley leaves Boston and go to Atlanta but Riley would be alive yeah and and then the infected comes up yeah and get some so I think that's technically the first infected that Ellie kills right kills the infected and then she's like yeah and then she's like yay we did it like we didn't die and then it goes bit yeah and the crazy like parallel of Ellie's flipping shit and breaking all the glass and freaking out and because again you are thinking this is my end yeah and then Riley just being silent and sitting there and also Riley had parents and Riley had a family Ellie has never known her parents has

She's never known her family. She's never had anyone she's loved until Riley. And so you're watching her dissent into madness of not only am I losing the only person I love, I'm also going to die or turn infected. And then Riley makes that cute speech where she's like, we'll just, you know, feel poetic and shit and lose our minds together. And it's after they kiss and it's like, like if they didn't, if they didn't get infected, if they didn't stay in the mall for five minutes less or whatever, then who knows what would have happened. But we again wouldn't have found out that Ellie's immune. And henceforth, the show wouldn't have happened. But I wanted to see, I talked about this with you, I wanted to see how, what happens when Riley starts to turn

and Ellie doesn't. I mean. And what happens subsequently following does. How the fireflies find So here's my theory. I tweeted this. Does Ellie have to kill Riley because she's turning and will But that doesn't It doesn't make a ton of sense of how that happens And again, I don't know if they're,

I'm hoping that they show it in this week's episode Of how that goes down. This might be like a grim topic, but I have a feeling that she has to kill Riley and then go chill She has to go chill in that room with Marlene. Yeah, she just escapes them all. But also, if Riley turns and Ellie doesn't, like, Ellie is at this point thinking she's infected too.

Yeah. And we'll turn together. So why, like, it doesn't make it, it doesn't put together of, like, would Ellie actually kill Riley? Would Riley try to, would Riley even try to bite Ellie because she's already infected? or I'm thinking Marlene shows up in the morning to go get her to go to Atlanta Marlene sees that she's turned Marlene has to kill

or I think Ellie kills I think Ellie killed her too because it's going to get to the point like let's just turn together and wander this place together yeah and then it's like or maybe she lets Ellie bite her again but we find out Ellie's not infected

so Ellie one she thinks that she's like why haven't I been infected yet like maybe you'll speed it up if she bites me yeah i don't know but that's what i that's what i want to know how that all goes down because then it obviously marlene has to find ellie yeah because that's how the story works yeah so i'm hoping tonight when you're listening to this that is solved within the first that like kind of the cold open of how how does riley and ellie's demise happen and how does marlene come into play because it's also in the episode where she's like who's marlene so she doesn't know marlene up until this point because she's a firefly

and she's in fedra school so why would they know each other very interesting i know but i love this show and that's and that's i mean that's how caught up we are now so what do you want to see what do you want to see develop in this show for this season yeah Like, what do you predict is going to happen? So I think, again, the game, people who play the game knows what happens. I think that somehow, again, we see Ellie fixed, stitch Joel's wound. So Joel obviously survives. I've seen the preview for this episode tonight.

And it looks scary as hell. And they are with people who I don't know who they are and they're fighting and killing. So they have to get to the end of the season, I think, will end up them getting Ellie to wherever the fuck they need to be. And Ellie somehow becoming the cure. Yeah. Do you think they kill Ellie and like dissect her and stuff? I think they might have to.

I know, but I just don't think that's how. Again, I know. That's the scary thing. If you play the game, you definitely know all of this. And you're probably like screaming at us right now. but like Joel's like no you can't kill her right because like how does the game go on

without the both of them yeah but or the show or whatever but it's it's I think it's going to end with them because there's only two more episodes it's this and this oh really yep

so I think it's going to end of they get her to um wherever the fireflies are and then something happens with she's there and now what what do you think i'm i'm gonna go dark stuff they get there gets a lab and the first thing they want to do is just like dissect her and try to see what open her up yeah just like is it her

blood we like is it her brain is it her brain is there blood and they're like we got a crack open she's basically a test object yeah like one of the monkeys and do you think jol will that happen though i think i think i think jol's going to be like fuck this we're getting out of there and now they have to like run back to jackson and now yeah and now and then in season two it's them running back to jackson hiding but also probably like trying to throw them off their tail yeah yeah let's check in with emerson and tommy yeah how did you feel about that no you've played the game and you know everything it's quite hard not to say what happens because i know what happens okay we'll cut it off there because i don't want to spoil it no i don't want to hear it so remind me do

Do we know who Ellie's parents are? No, not yet. So conspiracy theory was all the kids and they're created in labs at the hope of one of them will eventually have the cure? So that's a good theory. And the only reason that I wouldn't believe that, because that kind of reminds me of like the stranger things, like 11, how she, how all of them are lab kids, basically. Crazier, crazier theory. What if Joel and Tessie? Tess's.

Joel and Tess Like because you can tell they had an on and off again In relationship What if Ellie's their kid? Yeah I don't think that's it I mean that'd be pretty crazy It would be

What if it ends up she is His kid His daughter I don't think that's it The only reason I don't believe That they're all lab kids Is because Riley talks about how she did have parents I think it's more like an orphanage

Yeah And now they're just training these kids But I don't know Obviously I don't know Remember head of the fireflies in the Boston QZ. Marlene. Marlene was like we've been tracking you since you

been born. Also true. I don't know. So maybe they had someone else who didn't get infected and their daughter was her but they got shot or Ellie's parents which again I think there's a preview moment

where you see Elliot's baby. So I think we find out who her parents are right at some point. what in the game no in the show like I think we find out at some point who Ellie's parents are how she ended up in the federal school

maybe her mom or dad was a was they thought was maybe immune or something and then like I killed another way yeah so how do you guys like in New York City it's good it's a bit it's a bit different there's a lot of

a lot of traffic a lot of car beefing there is a lot of all that the biggest thing and I think Tommy go to me so when you go to buy something it's not the price that it says oh tax yeah but why not just put it on the label because taxes change a lot but want to just have one tax across the board that's a great question we fought a war about taxes once uh the revolution may have heard of it and i guess we're not i guess it's a worst situation that's what's going on in england but no actually do you guys don't have taxes in england yeah we have taxes but it's like the same so our tax is 20%

across everything. 20? But you don't notice it because... Because it's already tacked on. Oh, okay. So if something is 19 pounds... It's 19 pounds, but the 1-9 or the 380 is already baked into that. Yeah, everything's already sorted.

Got it. Interesting. I did not know. Did you know that? I'm sure you knew that. Probably. I mean, I don't know. That I did not know.

But yeah. So what do you guys do in your spare time? This is an interview. I'm practicing my interview skills on... Oh, that go. so I'm just all about sports really like martial arts I got into like

seeing basketball through Paddy oh nice so I'm not I wasn't really that familiar with you guys before so Patty got his sponsorship deal

whatever it is and see I do a lot of stuff with like MMA and stuff and like obviously football soccer obviously we call it football and back in England or whatnot

so everything in sports like that whole podcast I've never seen the last of us so everything that you just said Oh, I'm sorry, that was probably boring. I might have to watch it when we get back to England off, so I can. Well, now you don't have. Yeah.

You do MMA? No. Just watch. Just watch, yeah. I have my own sort of like fight thing on social media where I do like graphics for like fighters and stuff as well. Oh, nice. That's pretty cool. Do you think Patty won his last fight?

It's hard because I'm quite parley with Jared as well from my stuff. So, um, I have to say no. damn that's a hot take it was close I think it was close but it wasn't it wasn't like what people are making it out to be where he's just kind of like a three round battering yeah wasn't the case but I think he might have just

lost it yeah on the scorecard yeah that's it but with the judges in the UFC at the minute anything can happen on it so yeah I don't know how that works the thing is uh Joe Rogan talked about this recently

MMA uses it like an outdated scoring system that's based off of a boxing scoring system. And they need to change it up because there's other stuff that should count for points as opposed to just striking, like, wrestling, like, there should be some other stuff. See, for me, this is probably a controversial tape to like MMA purists, but with like your takedowns and stuff,

if you're not doing anything with them, if there's no damage or submission attempts or anything like that, then it shouldn't be scored. as high as what it should it is in my opinion huh that's a good take because yeah i mean because a jiu jitsu guy will just roll on his back for you just to get you well yeah but if he's gonna do something with it then fair enough but you see like fighters that just lay it on a fighter for a whole round yeah attempting a submission he's had like four five minutes ground control but done absolutely nothing with it yeah then well if he's uh i mean i guess in that position you can

get some ground and pound in but if it doesn't come out with a knockout like well ground the pound was still classes damage yeah but if you if you're not doing that there's some i've seen some fights especially like bellito where a fight has just lay on an opponent yeah i done nothing just lay there just stopping from getting up that reminds me of the what was the fight the McGregor fight where he just got laid on for most of the oh i mean i guess khabib yeah and then got submitted in the second round or third round yeah but no there was another one. It was the Brazilian guy that subbed in for Aldo.

It wasn't Brazilian. He was American. Anyway, Chad Mendez. Yeah, Chad Mendez. He was just laying on McGregor. Yeah, and then got tired himself and then got knocked out. Yeah. Huh. Well, I think we're going to finish it up. Last question. I heard you work with animals.

Yeah. What exactly do you do? It's hard to explain. So basically people that re-home animals online or sell animals like dogs, cats, any sort of like pet. Like on Craigslist? It's sort of like that, but a UK version. Okay.

But a bit safer, is that that makes sense? People like Billy are on Craigslist. No, dogfinder.com. Like, we have one. Yeah. Yeah. So he's basically like, if someone's selling something, I have to sort of make sure,

they place an advert for that dog. Right. I have to make sure it lists all legal requirements. Oh, so like, so you have to make sure they're not selling pit bulls and like dangerous dog breeds? Dangerous dog breeds. Can you guys have pit bulls in England? No.

Really? Not at all? Yeah. There's like four or five breeds that we can. can't have it's anything to do with like pit you can't really have but american staffs can't really love them and you can have american but you can have american bulldogs yeah american bulldogs are fine so white is fine yeah they're fine but the thing is they they're the ones like for the people who are dog fighting and want a really aggressive the dog they like take an american bulldog which is just

a big softy most of the time and they just like try to make them super aggressive pit bulls are the same it all depends on how you train it doesn't it yeah any dog can be a scary dog if you train it to be scary any dog can buy it on it yeah so true damn it's just the stronger ones hurt more before we wrap up yes i'll be told off if i didn't mention so obviously when i told my girlfriend i was coming here it's a conspiracy thing she had a big conspiracy that i'm going to throw out the few guys to look into oh we just list them off she had a big conspiracy that the um shout to your girlfriend yeah in their spare time yep give it to me hunt people Oh, so look into it, get back to me.

Well, okay, well, are you guys royalists or no? No, I don't really, I don't really care. Right. Because do they even mean anything, Neil? Not really. They just, I mean, just take a lot of money. But I know, obviously, when the queen died, it was a big deal. But it was just a day off and work, which is, thank you very much.

Was there, like, the whole 10-day morning period and everything? No. There was, like, there was, like, queues outside of where her coffin was for days. and days of just people going to pay their respects but um i think for like the majority of people in england are not really that they're not really royalists yeah yeah i think just because they don't really do much they don't really yeah there's nothing that what's funny is i think it drives a lot of tourism so people from outside of england don't like care more than you guys because it's like i mean i care there's definitely a population of the uk that are really into it but

It's more, I think, the older, older generation. But yeah, they've done some messed up stuff. The Royal Family. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Where do you think they hunt them? They've got a lot of, a lot of, like, different properties. Manors and stuff. There's actually one where I grew up at an hour away.

There's like a massive, like, forest essentially. But that's a theory that they hunt. In the forest. They hunt people. Like, what's that? No, that's a completely different place. Is that in Windsor? Is that in Winser?

Windsor, that's a place in the UK. Yeah. That's like where, um, Did Megan, Mark will get married at Windsor? Maybe. I think she got married at Windsor. I think they do the weddings and stuff. I could be right.

I don't really follow it. Yeah. Geography of England really messes me up because I know where Northumbria is. Northumbia. That's near Tommy. Yeah. Northumberland. Yeah.

Northumberland. Yeah. That's literally like our county. Well, we're in town. I'm in town, Tyn and where. And then you got North Fulmland just rules. I just know like from the battles of 1066. Like, so there's Hastings.

and then up there in north that was it the battle of northumberland possibly i'm not sure and then i know where wales is which is in england so that's not far from where i was born that's about 45 minutes away wales from where i was actually born oh so it's not too far and then there's liverpool yeah where paddy's from on the water that's right next to that's probably like half an hour 40 minutes away from wales yeah that's on the west coast technically yeah yeah north west yeah it'd be north west yeah bill you're good and then North Umbria is on the east coast. Northumberland.

Right off north east, yeah. Yeah. And there's Scotland. Yeah. I think it's crazy as well. Like, so if you were to, if we used to drive from the top of England to the bottom, it'd take about seven hours. That's it. Whereas, whereas I've driven in America before and it's taken like five hours to get.

From the same state. Like L.A. to San Francisco. Right. Which is the same. Have you guys been to America? America before? Yeah, I've been a couple of times. Okay.

This is your first time in America? Holy shit. I drove from Washington, D.C. Well, actually, you can travel farther. And is that, actually, is that small? Yeah. San Francisco to L.A.? I think it was like five hours.

I drove seven hours. Six maybe. Six. From D.C. to New York. But that was just because of traffic. Probably could do it with no traffic. But you're going through however many states, San Francisco and L.A. are still in the same state.

Yeah, the UK is very, very small. it's quite nice yeah that you have to travel so far is the UK is the UK size compared to

I don't know is it bigger than Texas if you go in from UK you've got at the top of Scotland and not right and straight down

to it would be somewhere like Brighton which is I've heard Brighton's awesome I've seen the beach I've never been but I think it's quite hippy

and stuff like that so if you're into it it's basically like outside of London okay I think I think is quite a lot of me. I've never been, but I think it's quite heap of it.

England's about... One of my favorite YouTubers you still live there. Or one of my old favorite YouTubers are still over there. England land-wise looks to be about the size of Nevada. What? Yeah, it's very small. That's it? Yeah, but it looks bigger because it's spread out differently.

But like square mileage-wise? Yeah. Alaska is equal to seven UK's. Oh, that doesn't even include Ireland. Well, Ireland is itty, no, we don't count Ireland. No. But I'm looking at this picture of the UK, it's like North Ireland, Scotland, and then England. So that's the landmass that they're talking about.

Do you count Wales? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Minnesota is equal to, is basically Minnesota is, Nevada is a little bigger. Minnesota's the size of the UK, basically. That's crazy.

Yeah. Wow. We're a tiny country. But a lot of influence. Yeah, we won't win the war in World War II. say you're welcome help sure

we wouldn't be speaking German but this was fun guys thanks for having us on oh my gosh thanks for coming thanks for coming across the pond for us okay let's get you some more gear yeah I have some shirts for me guys unreleased gear

I got one question that's going to sound random right we've been playing this game on our trip we see these blue Teslers oh revels what are they because they're like an Uber

at one point we're thinking Is this some guy just following us around? No, so I think it's, if it's not just a New York thing, it's just major cities, but I think it's just in a New York thing. They're kind of like an Uber, like a car service, but you can sometimes rent them yourself and drive them yourself. Basically, the government gives them tons of subsidizing because it's all electric cars. Yeah, it's all Tesla's.

Okay, so Elon Musk has nothing to do with that then, because I was, I asked Emerson yesterday, Does he, is that like a part of Elon Musk? It's not, it's not like a part of Tesla Corp. It's just because it's electric cars. It's super profitable because they don't have to pay half the taxes because it's like all electric green energy type stuff. So they're trying to make that become more successful than rental car companies or Uber. But they have them just kind of placed around the city and then you download the app. And there used to be one that was parked like right by my old apartment.

And so basically you can go on the app and be like, where is there one near me? And then they just have it there. They can do with like mopeds too. So, which is terrifying because I think you need a special license to drive those. And it's like, obviously, kind of like a motorcycle. But yeah, so you can either pick them up yourself or I've been in a revel where someone is driving me. A couple things. So another thing we've noticed is like, so we'll check on Google Maps.

It's like, oh, it's only two blocks down, but the blocks are massive. Avenues are massive. So do you walk everywhere here or do you Uber? You can walk a good amount. Because we're finding out we're like getting legs are shattered after like two hours It's it It's 20 kilometers yesterday

Yeah when you're visiting you're walking everywhere And like you're just trying to see everything that you can And so you walk a lot when you're visiting Here when I'm here and I live here I subway everywhere Basically Yeah And then or I walk I walk a lot

But you get used to your body gets used to it I'm not walking like as much as you guys are When you're coming to see things Like I basically, on a normal day like this, I take the subway to work, work, go home. Although it's like massive, it's so much, I find it personally much easier to find my way around, especially the subways, because unlike the tubes in London, I still don't know what I'm doing all. They have that circle way of describing it. Yeah, so it's like the lines.

And there's so many different lines. But like, you know, like, you guys have like A, B, C. there it's like pick a daily line kings cross line and all the map on the tubes all go over each of a suit you try to find where they're going it's just crazy yeah it takes a little bit to figure out the subways at least for me you grew up in this area so you get it but yeah no i just subway everywhere or if it's if it's like close enough i'll walk but the only time i really uber is if i'm really late at night and maybe have had a beer another thing we've noticed as well is like so tipping in the UK is not really

a thing we sometimes do it with like restaurants you may do it but like you buy something here and everything and then they turn the screen around is that like a thing that you always tip for stuff that's new I mean there's certain things you always tip for

restaurants cab drivers delivery food right but then when COVID happened like buying a coffee they say do you want to put a tip yeah we felt well you went to the game yesterday and you felt pressured yeah so yeah they pressure you went to the um the nets uh books game yesterday and

i see emerson got a beer i don't really drink beer so we were we were looking for a drink and i got um a double malibu yeah and it was 26 dollars yeah yeah i can get five of them in england for for the price yeah no sports games really over jack up the place it's to make sure people don't drink too much and also because they can yeah yeah is it is it is it is every arena around yes the country like that yeah because even like the prices of food is yep it's every arena in every city and yeah it sucks cool that you can actually drink alcohol while you watch the game because when you're not allowed to take beers into the what then you you have to drink a beer on the concourse and you can't take it to your seat and you can't take like um like bottles

with lids because you can throw them that's they do that at a lot of stadiums where they'll unscrew their water bottle for you and then they won't give you the lid they do that but you can still take the water bottles of your seat yeah yeah or they pour it in a plastic cup yeah but then we make beer snakes where yeah but not that's something that you've copied from i think us the we used to at cricket oh yeah you just oh really when did you guys start doing years ago oh yeah bill you're new on the shit british people even the darts right the darts they just stack loads of drinks and then you darts day we we do that what's darts day different different thing different things there's darts there's darts comes to madison square

yeah we saw an advert for it of like yeah i'm going this year i think i got invited i got invited shut up you want to go let's go i don't know if i can go because it's the first it's pll opening weekend so it might have to be working damn that lacrosse right yeah i think i'll play the lacrosse at secondary school once during p is it and it's and it's and i couldn't do it i heard that lacrosse is only played by women in england no that's a myth and that it's like field hockey here no field hockey is a completely different sport yeah and it would field hockey both men and women play right no yeah yeah but men don't feel play field hockey in america right so really so i thought only women play lacrosse no i think some universities play it like

Like, same way that some universities do American football, but it's anyone can sort of play it. But there's not really a league or anything. It's just more of a hobby. Got it. I think if you said you played lacrosse in England, you'd be known as a Tory. What's a Tory?

It's the people that... Do you know, like, Paddy says, like, fuck the tories. Paddy and Molly are like, fuck the such. Yeah. For the common people like us, we don't really like them. It's a bit of a posh person. Okay. Like a douchebag.

Yeah, I guess... No, it's like an elite. Oh, okay Conserved hyper-conservative Okay Yeah Yeah Torries

Yeah Okay So it's like a Mega rich Asshole Was a what's his face English Donald Trump A Torre?

He's Moulvin No The old prime minister Bors Boris Johnson Oh he's Yeah Yeah

He's an idiot Is he a Tory Yeah Yeah Tori just in power But They've had like their third prime fourth prime minister in a couple years they just keep put a new one in

right there was that woman for like two months uh uh uh yeah i can't remember liz trust yeah they're all very bad they're all awful we have the same problem have you seen the videos of your new prime minister partying rishi yeah these videos like like rolling at a party good for him yeah oh no we don't like him you don't like him oh shit is It's a bit of a long-winded thing, but his wife is very, very rich, and she lives in the UK, but she doesn't pay tax in the UK. Oh, she's like evading taxes. Yeah, and it's a weird, it's a weird thing. Got it.

And he's also meant to be like a money expert person, but I think UK, we have like the highest bills for electricity and gas and water and everything. Yes. Where does his wife live? They live in England, I think, but I think she's originally from India. So she's paying taxes in India? I think, I mean, I'm kind of... So they're doing like insider trading, but under her name and then she has to pay Indian taxes?

We got people like that. Yeah. Paul Pelosi. I don't know that, you don't need to. I know who Joe Biden is. Yep, that's all you... Yeah, it's okay.

Also, we knew Donald... It's weird because your politics is... probably takes over our news more than what our politics does. When Donald Trump was getting into power, that was a massive, massive thing for us. It was meant to help us, actually, but I don't think. ever did your royal family takes up a lot of our gossip rags it's more gossip than news i feel like yeah right and then like right now with all of the hairy and megan shit yeah that's a weird one because he obviously split because he wants his privacy and now he's not and now he's in the

news more than he was before but yeah i don't i think he doesn't realize that the english press actually respected his privacy a little more than the american press will ever like paparazzi you are yeah well you also before he married megan i don't think he was ever he was in the news for like doing drugs and stuff and a bit of a party person but other than that he was kind of the one that people liked because he was like i like him still but you get people that have really turned against him because he left but i think it's more an old person i think i feel like most people turned against him because of megan because she's comes english people use her as an easy target to get out of but for like me i like him me i think

he's good. Not that he does anything for us but obviously he was in the army which is amazing but other than that. Well unfortunately we're going to have to wrap it up Mad Dog's got a meeting to get to. I do have a meeting but this was so fun. I'm so glad you guys came. You guys are welcome to talk about England.

I don't have anything to add. It's really cool. It's really cool to see everything and I'm glad you guys got to come. Welcome to America. All right now we're going to now I'm going to go show you America. Also go Bengals. Oh, go Bengals.

Love it. Go Bengals. Go Joe Borough. Yes. Do you guys, I see you're wearing a Raptors. Do you guys come here and just buy a bunch of sports members really? Yeah. Well, buy stuff for them we're here.

Just whatever. The Crackin and the Knicks. The Cracking and the Knicks and the Raptors. The clothing over here for sports clothes is so expensive. Really? Like, we went in that NBA store yesterday. Oh, yeah. And I'm a Washington Wizards fan.

And it was like $40 for a little t-shirts, like a plain t-shirt. But that is just ridiculous. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, basically, wherever I go, I just tend to buy something from the game. As you should. Yeah, so I've got a mixed match stuff,

but I only buy Bengals gear. That's funny. Okay, well, this was so fun, guys. Thank you. Thank you for listening. We love you guys as well. And go watch Last of Us and watch us. And watch us.

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