Macrodosing: Arian Foster and PFT Commenter - Extradose ft. Billy Football & The Wonton Don | Ep. 1

Episode Date: November 19, 2022

Billy Football and The Wonton Don bring you an EXTRADOSE of Macrodosing. We hope you enjoy! Make sure to tune into Nanodosing every Tuesday and Macrodosing every Thursday, 12am EST.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/macrodosing

Hey, macrodosing listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. What's up, guys? Welcome to Extra Dose. I'm here in the studio with Donnie, after my last three-hour podcast with limited time to prepare and a lot of dead air. I wanted to do something, you know, with some time to prepare, with, you know, more preparation, you know, another person to bounce off of. and i'm really excited for this one donnie's in the studio donnie does we did a happy to be here hell yeah mad dog's here she thankfully on a friday when usually not much happens at the office volunteered to help out with this podcast shout out mad dog she's the best shout out everybody in the tech room steve for help setting up uh everything this is going to be a good one we jerry

rigged uh some stuff so i could edit it um so hopefully You guys don't mind that we're literally just using a camera that is zoomed in on a monitor to project a lot of the media we're going to be looking at. I think this is going to be a fun ride. We have tons of stuff coming up. We have a special guest straight from China to give some updates on what's going on there. Shout out Steed and Big Belly Bros. Yeah.

What's his YouTube channel? Yeah, he's got a YouTube channel called Big Belly Bros. He was my first friend in China. He's a scouser from Liverpool, so he may be hard to understand. I'm not going to make Billy thrown subtitles for all the words. And he actually brings up something we discussed on a previous macro-dosing episode. So that'll be interesting. Patty the Batty and Molly Meatball are both also scowsers.

So it's that type of accent. So it's going to be fun. First thing's first time before we get on this journey, do you want to do some new tropics? I would love some. I have some Torrine. It's an active ingredient on a lot of energy drinks. Oh, yeah, yeah. But, like, it's not, like, that's you jittery.

It's, I think it helps you get into the flow state. Okay. I'm going to take about two. Now, are Neuropics a scam? That's what I'm wondering. Hell no. I believe full. You want some water?

Yep. Would love some water. Okay. All right. I'm mixing this with some Stella blue coffee. Oh, let's go. It's actually good. This just in, Stella blue will be.

sponsoring me and PFT's trip to guitar. Oh, hell yeah. Yeah. That's dope. Yeah. Hopefully we don't get arrested for bringing it into the country. But I think they're cool with coffee and tea. I think those are the only two things that we're allowed to do at the World Cup.

I mean, by the way, I used to think Torrine was from Bulls' testicles. Yeah, because tourists. Yeah. And that's why energy drinks that don't pay to sponsor this podcast, no free ads, they may be red, Tauruses, put in their energy drinks. That's like the active ingredient. Yeah. But it turns out it's not just another amino acid, but hopefully this gets us into the flow

state, gets us creative, go down some deep rabbit holes, see what's happening. Isn't coffee from the Arabian Peninsula? Am I making that up? Yeah. Well, I know that the first people to drink coffee was the Muslim world. and that it was Muslims that then exposed the Christian world to coffee and got them hooked on it. So, yeah, I don't know, like, I know it also grows in, like, parts of Africa, South America, but I think the Arab world were the first people to drink coffee.

I just remembered this, the history of coffee, like, it's actually very funny when coffee first came to the Western world, all the stigmas about it. Yeah. Like, I remember there was posters. I researched this once there was posters of like women don't let your men drink coffee it makes them sterile and infertile and like they just it will make them not want to like anti-horny I mean yeah I do know if you like everyone says if you start to drink it at a really young age that it can stunt your growth and I do have a friend who has been drinking like

quad shots of latte since he was like 13 and he is very short. damn but yeah so there's actually one rumor about coffee that when the ottoman the ottoman empire invaded the um the austrian hungarian empire and they laid siege to vienna it was not a successful siege and when they left they just left behind some coffee and that when they were like checking out the remains of their camps that's where they found it the austrians found it and them are like oh this stuff's pretty good i don't know if that's true but but that's one of the stories for how Europe got introduced to it. It's crazy how far into Europe, the Ottoman Empire really did.

Yeah. That's like something that never, like, for example, like they got all the way to Austria. Yeah. I mean, Vienna. Yeah. And like all the Balkans, that was just part of the Ottoman, the Ottoman Empire for hundreds and hundreds of years. And sort of Balkans, not a place that really gets talked about that much. I mean, it does in geopolitics, but like you really, like, they don't really teach the Balkans in school.

Yes. but that's a lot of like muslim christian like headbutting albania i think is mostly Muslim yeah yeah and that's obviously the whole wars between Serbia and Kosovo that's because Serbian was Christian and like Kosovo was the very Muslim, Muslim area of uh Serbia at the time and that's what led to all those wars when we were growing up i used to work with a lot of Albanians and they like you know they're like Kosovo's Albania that was their whole yeah say that yeah and I was like I'm not going to get into that I don't want to offend anybody but if it's a different country how's it Albania and then now I understand yeah the the Serbian say

Kosovo is Serbia the Albanians try saying it's Albania it's a crazy scene but beautiful part of the world and yeah the Muslims also like obviously they controlled Spain for a long time and then they invaded France. And they almost took over France too, but there was one really famous battle. I think the guy was like Pepin or something like that. He was a French king and he was the first one to defeat the Muslim. So he stopped him there. They got stopped in France and then they got stopped in Vienna. But I'm sure if you were alive at the time, you just thought the whole world was going to become Muslim. Well, think about this. The what's it called? Andorra. The whole reason Andorra was allowed to be a sovereign state between France and Spain was because that part of

I guess the Pyrenees yeah was like the one entrance point like the oh yeah to take an army from Spain to France you'd go through the Pyrenees and they allowed them to remain a sovereign state so that it was a buffer yeah so then like if you wanted to invade you'd also have to invade And dora yeah people wouldn't want to do that and they so like if and dora had a central centralized army and powers they could defend against invading army through that passageway and dora weird place now tax haven is that where you went when you recently went to europe i was just hitting the microstates okay you're the first person i know who's been to and dora yeah it's a ski it's like a ski place yeah i went off season so like everything was cheap which was nice and it was great

hiking like up the mountains and stuff it was like a fairy tale land did you do a tour of all the microstates That would be a cool trip I know I hit as many as I could Okay Yeah mostly You know It was all buses It was a whirlwind of a trip

One day I want to go back to Europe When I have some money You can actually like stay in hotels And yeah Do it the right way I'm telling you what though When I lived in Europe for a year It was way cheaper than

Living in New York Yeah well it was dope It was dope because when we went When I went The dollar was super strong Against the Euro Yeah So like the two

euro like you come and like oh haman baguette two euro yeah it's like two dollars for a sandwich and then yeah a lot of the beers would be like three euros so one euro beers oh shit it was like wild but indoor has no taxes so like that's so everything was super cheap really awesome place so guitar what's this uh what's this new information that they're not they're now like they did like a bait switch yeah they've they've always said that you could get beers at the stadiums three hours before and after all the games and now with less than two days to go they've said now there's no beers allowed at games um before or after unless you have one of like the hospitality suites which are probably like 27,000 dollars um pft actually knows someone from the churning

group who's going to be there maybe they invite us up into their box I don't know, but that looks like the only way we'll be drinking beer at the stadium. But, yeah, there are plenty of other places in Qatar where you can drink. Just like a lot of the hotel bars, they have beach clubs. And there's like a fan festival where you can drink after 630, but there's going to be like 40,000 people there and there's one beer tent. It's like, I'm not going to, I don't want to wait in line for two hours for a $14 beer. Jeez. so yeah it's going to be an interesting world cup we'll definitely have to recap it when i'm back

what do you think of the the sort of settlements they have in the fan village uh yeah i'm going to be staying in one of those it's like a shipping container but it's been refurbished um it looks better than the tents that's all i'm going to say that's what i was thinking yeah tents gave me big fire fest vibes oh they they looked like the exact same thing as what they had at the fire fest those were like fema tents yeah i have one friend who's staying on a cruise ship that looks sweet but like the cruise ship was already completely booked when i went uh when i tried to find something but hopefully i'll be at least able to like hop on for a day because just being able to like spend your free time on a cruise ship they usually have pools

basketball courts bars like that would be fun yeah that's where i think all the the wags are staying i saw an article of wives and girlfriends of the players yeah Qatar's like the because it's one of the richest places in the world so it's like if you have the money and the and the connects you can live like a glamorous crazy life drinking whenever you want partying on yachts it's like if you don't have the access or the money then you're just like living in a refugee camp pretty much so yeah what's crazy is Qatar is like such a small country relative that whole peninsula and I think it is all in itself kind of a peninsula yeah right like it is it's a peninsula in a peninsula and I'm trying to figure out

like a lot of those places that strike oil is because they have tons of land and then they find the oil and that expansive land like I guess Qatar like what's Qatar's oil production in relation to the different yeah I think they got just very lucky that like when they became their or like shortly after they became their own country they found tons of tons of oil reserve that was technically on Qatar territory because before the oil they were just known for pearls and like all of the wealthy people there would make their money from pearls because you could find tons of them right off the coast but now they've gone all into oil apparently Qatar is even richer than Dubai yeah that's what I'm trying to figure okay so top five is Saudi

Arabia, Iraq, United Arab Emirates, Iran, Kuwait. Wait for who has the most oil? Yeah, top five producers. Producers, but I think because Qatar is so small and they have so much oil that like Qatar-y people are even richer. Oh, shit, dude, oil production. So Saudi Arabia does 12,000, I don't, oh, in a thousand barrels. So 12,000,000.

So 12 million, 12 million. Saudi Arabia does 12 million barrels a day. Iran does 4 billion. Iraq does 4 billion. United Arab Emirates does 3 billion. Kuwait does 3 billion. Qatar does 1.8 billion. So.

But I'm also seeing like some people call Qatar the richest country in the world. some people call it the third richest country in the world i don't know so i mean but that's crazy that they're top six with countries that are much larger geographically so they must have some insane reserves yeah i mean here it says this came out in in uh 2012 this past august it says Qatar is now the richest country in the arab world whoa i don't know how they factored that in maybe it's like per person by the way was i saying 12 million barrels or 12 billion barrels billion i think no i mean 12 million oh okay 12 so 12 million was saudi arabia iran was 4 million iraq was 4 million oh and then and katar was 1 million 1.8 million

barrels a day okay um that's so yeah huh but how did katar so what's weird about those that that that peninsula to me is that they were you know large amounts of different tribal regions but how did Qatar become its own country relative to the larger Saudi Arabia around it that's what I'm trying to figure out uh Bahrain because I know it was actually controlled by the British for a bit it was a British protectorate um and then when they left a couple families were like no we're going to make this our own country. Bahrain as well. I think actually maybe like one of the families from Bahrain left for Qatar and then like

turned it into his own country, that would probably have to be its own, own, uh, extra dose episode to get to the bottom of that. Okay. So Qatar has been ruled as a hereditary monarchy by the house of Thani since Muhammad bin Thani signed a treaty with the British in 1868 that recognized its separate status. Following Ottoman rule, Qatar became a British protectorate in the early 20th century. Okay, so it's the English, the English made. The English put in a puppet government in a sense.

Yeah. Puppet monarch, as they used to say. Mm-hmm. I just think it's wild that, because there's, obviously, Western media is already pissed off at Qatar for their human rights violations like if they had just allowed beer that would have done a lot to like get fans at least who are there less pissed off yeah because like after a few beers yeah you don't really give a fuck so like now all these booze back soccer fans are going to become social justice warriors because they're like what no beer well fuck you you guys use slaves

what the fuck you know how you know how much of history was human rights abuses were just looked away from because of beer yeah yeah beer beer beer caused so much people to just look away from human rights abuses yeah have a you know have a six-pack and no one cares but uh so donnie don't i found this video that i think you'd be interested in because of uh your history in the country i was the first american i'm claiming it to find this video on a i i'm on some weird forums and stuff i find some crazy uh videos that don't hit the mainstream yet and this was one of them i think i was the first american to tweet about this video and it kind of went super viral um from i think it was from the people's daily the chinese paper okay yeah and uh hopefully mad dog we could

switch it to the small monitor i'm sorry about the low tech i'm just trying to edit this and i don't know how to overlay it yeah but uh if we record again we might uh have another setup Yeah. So this is, this is just, just check this out if you can see this. So apparently, these are sheep in inner Mongolia, the Chinese side in inner Mongolia. And apparently they've been walking in a circle for, I think now 12 days. When it was originally posted, it was 10 days. But they've just been walking. And you were saying that it could be tied to like a brain parasite? So, I mean, the thing is people were, people were, um, uh, it was advertised and I also advertise it on Twitter. Like, no one knows why they're walking a circle and everyone was like getting apocalypse vibes. Like, oh, the goats are summoning the baffo met. Like, that's what's going on. Like they're, the horn god. The horn god. They're walking a circle to summon him. Like, oh, shit. Um, and I kind of played into that because, you know, we're content creators and, you know,

sometimes if you leave out some facts, your posts do better. Yeah. But it's apparently caused by literally a lot of people like, I bet just one goat started following another goat that didn't know who was leading. Yeah. And then that goat just started following, like all the ghosts started following each other. And that first goat that didn't know was the leader, just started following a follower. And the thing is, that's kind of how it actually happened.

Yeah, no. So I actually just last week started something, this same exact thing happens to ants a lot, Because, like, if one ant gets lost from the trail back to the colony, he'll start walking in a circle. And then all the other ants, like, follow the pheromone trail of him. And, like, if you search ants walking in circles, you'll see the exact same thing. I always assumed that sheep were smarter than ants so that it wouldn't happen. But apparently, when this happens to ants, they literally walk in circles till they die. Yeah.

So that's what's probably going to happen to these army ants trapped in death circle. Yeah, where they they lost the trail back to the colony. And so now all the other ants fall them into just walking in circles until they die. So this one I think is a little different because the reason why the sheep becomes so dumb like ants is because they get infected with a brain disease. Okay. And it's much more common in domestic hooved creatures for these brain diseases to evolve. think Lyme's disease in deer yeah um but these degenerative prion disease like mad cow disease yeah basically it either paralyzes one side of their body or also just makes them stupid and makes

them start acting like that um but this one is called i actually got a a warning label on the tweet i sent um it's uh oh is you got like a yeah i got misinformation morning so this is how we knew so last night when everyone thought that Twitter was going down, I actually ended up getting a misinformation label on my tweet. It's gone right now, but it had been posted. But it talks about Listeria, I think it is, is the exact disease. And what's funny is that Listeria doesn't tend to impact wild herds because wolves and larger predators tend to take out the animals that start walking weirdly before it can infect the whole herd or flock in the sheep's case but because in domestic populations there's predator protection yeah and unfortunately these

types of diseases have been impacting deer in the united states and causing them be put in a zombie state so i actually let me pull up my blog um so check this out and so no one was was really covering this in the u.s until you found it in the chinese paper and like and posted it the chinese the chinese paper uh tweeted out oh okay they tweeted out um but when i first found it it had like it had like no views it was night so it was yesterday morning right oh no two days ago Yeah, it was found two days ago, and I found it yesterday, and no one had seen it, so I just retweeted it. I like, you know, weird foreign videos. Yeah.

I want to bring them to the, you know, I want to curate the internet when people follow my Twitter, hopefully they can find some interesting stuff. So just, you know, it caused someone to get a brain wrinkle on a random part of the day by following me, learn something new. but yeah i found it brought it to u.s twitter and just it went off it's actually crazy how viral this ended up going like it's about to hit 200k likes it's wild people love shit like this i know i love shit like this and i want to show people shit yeah so i'm glad but um so the wolf population so there's a deadly brain disease that's uh they wrote about in the new york times it's behind a paywall but the deadly brain disease

is causing chronic wasting in a lot of wild deer populations in the deer population in the United States especially in the northeast where there's literally zero predators besides your uncle with a shotgun and a tree it's caused tons of diseases like Lyme's disease tick-borne illnesses are my worst nightmare

and I actually got bit by a bunch of lone star ticks larvae and And they can literally make you a vegan. Yeah, I've heard about that. You can't eat meat. You become allergic to this certain alpha gal protein. But like I'm still waiting for that to kick in. Hopefully it doesn't.

My older brother got Lyme's disease twice. But luckily he was diagnosed quick enough that they got it out of a system. Because if you have that for just like a year and doctors don't know what's wrong, it can actually mess with your mind. And then you're just like not the same afterwards. Yeah. You start to go a little loopy. Yeah.

the brain-wasting diseases, but, like, the reason why they're reintroducing wolves, especially Yellowstone and across the west, is in order to, like, make sure that this doesn't spread throughout the population. And the thing is, people have been saying that a lot of these deer, like, you know, they're, like, if you shoot a deer with this brain-wasting disease, and then you, like, touch its blood, and, like, you're a hunter, and you accidentally somehow ingest, and something in the mucous membrane-type disease crosses, the threshold, it may be possible that humans could catch this brain-wasting disease. Fuck.

Which is pretty terrifying. Why don't we watch this Huffton Post, the grazing dead? Yeah, because humans could get mad cow's disease, right? Yeah. Yeah. So chronic wasting affects a deer's brain and spinal cord. So lab tests have shown that human genes can be infected. That's terrifying.

Oh, yeah. So you would, yeah, you would just start. start to act like a zombie yeah except you wouldn't be trying to eat other humans which is good i don't know that you'd just be walking around like an idiot yeah which is unfortunate species saliva or blood so like think about this you know how hunters when they kill their first deer they blood they blood like if you have a son and you take them to shoot a deer you get blooded no i didn't know about that first time you kill an animal they blood you and they take the blood and they put it on your oh okay yeah that's a cool little pretty primal action and is that what like all hunters do it's like a

tradition but it's a scene in yellowstone okay where the little kid uh casey's kid shoots a deer for the first time and then uh john dutton bloods him yeah it's like wow this is a tough man dude parasites are terrifying yeah especially like fungal infections like those ones that can like infect the the brain of like a wasp yeah and turn them into zombies and that sprouts from your head i think that's actually what that new show all of us the last of us that's about like humans yeah they get that sort of fungal infection it started in wasps that that that was a video game before it was yeah yeah it was a really great storyline yeah that's that's why they're turning it into a show i think because there was like people are like this is better than a lot of movies i've watched yeah fungus

Fungus is closer to humans. Oh, yeah. We should probably bring this up and then we can move on to the rest. But I remember a man who got a fungal infection, he got his face removed. Man, fungal infection, face removed. So he, um... Face removed. Mark Tatum, also known as man without a face.

Oh, my God. If you find a photo of him, it's the most terrifying. thing ever he he had like a mask oh yeah i've shown this i found it yeah i think you can show it there's just warn people um warning i found i found a photo of him with his mask and with the mask off if you just search monk yeah i just actually just click it just search mark tatum i think we're about to see it all right well it's not the first one that all right and then go to the third one that shows him yeah oh whoa that's terrible so he still had his brain but he didn't he lost the

face and then they they put that like plastic face on so he could walk out in public because like i know you're not supposed to stare at deform people but if that dude went out in public like people would be running across the street yeah so no offense to mark tatum yeah so the rest in peace actually put in there titan yeah how did that happen that it's so

that's terrifying yeah so Mark Tatum also known by the name oh is the man with many faces or is the man without a face

passed so this type of infection is not that unusual but the extent of the damage that it did to Tatum was very rare Tatum was a medical

phenomenon due the fact they survived the infection yeah to use extreme experience whoa

Huh This cause of death is still unknown I feel like Not having a face May have factored into that Jeez That's tough Fungus is scary as fuck

But it's also It's also great I think fungus is one of those things Where it has the ability To have such a great effect On You know Not vertebrates or invertebrates

The word I'm trying to look for is like organisms with cell membranes animals yeah but there's a certain different types of organisms yeah um so that was the mammoth no face now the main topic you wanted to discuss today was um the theory that there was in ancient like civilization before all the ancient civilizations that we know about Before we get into that, do you want to go quickly to China? Yeah, yeah. So we had an amazing guest, Steve. We talked to him out at the beginning of a podcast. We had an awesome conversation with him about the lockdowns and his experience right now in China. Yeah. I mean, to sort of be a precursor to the interview, China is really, we're sort of out of COVID. Joe Biden said the pandemic's over. China is nowhere near out. Yeah. And it's just because they're still committed to zero COVID. And as we all know, with the Omicron, no matter what you do, it's going to spread. But I mean, I got the Omicron. It was not that bad. Yeah, I didn't feel great for like a day and a half. But a lot of people get the Omicron. They don't even know they have it because they don't feel a thing. But China, like as the Omicron like spreads the different parts of China, they're still trying to get it down to zero. So when. it started to spread in shang i people were locked in their apartments for two months it recently

spread to guang joe so my friend who's there he was locked up for at least a week um but he's also just a funny guy i think he's uh hammered at the moment so we're just going to talk to him briefly for a quick china update and then we'll be back Man, how are you? I'm doing well. I'm here with Billy. What's up, man? How are you doing?

Shabbling him, Billy. How are you, kid? You know what I'm right? We're trying to hear what's going on over there. You know what? Well, he's about six hours too late. I started drinking about eight hours ago, thinking I was getting on a podcast with Nobberdea.

And about eight hours later, he's added to me on, like, what is this? I don't know. What's going on? we don't really know what's going on this is our first time recording a podcast as well but you know

no no you've recorded many a podcast I've waited for eight hours drinking on my own in China thinking you were going to add me eight hours ago mate do you know what's going on here I've got like I've got tankards of vodka going on here

oh Jesus well we had never confirmed the podcast was actually going to happen but we we had we had discussed it um no no i've got i've got actual i've got actual footage of you from last friday i'm in a wedding this weekend how about next friday yeah next friday but this time i've got i've got actual eff and buss yes but we never talked about the exact time um but that is neither here nor there we have time for a quick 10-minute china update and then We're going to send you on your way, but don't worry.

Oh, you're going to take me 10 minutes to take the piss out of you. Never mind tell you about China. I've got a 20-minute session about fucking what a dickhead you are. Never mind tell you about China. Are you joking? You're going to have three followers by the time I've finished. Fucking hell. William, nice to meet you, mate, by the way.

Nice to meet you, buddy. Yeah. Really, nice to meet you, buddy. Okay, Zach, so, sorry, Donnie, we got like, what, 10 minutes, kids? What do you want to know? Like, lockdown in Guangzhou, what the fuck do you want to know? Oh, yeah, I was hearing, did Guangzhou go back into lockdown? May, back into lockdown.

So, last Wednesday, we got, we got lockdown into our apartments. For about a week before that, they were saying, like, there's 5,000 cases today, there's 4,000 cases today. 95% of them are asymptomatic. Well, what are you going to do about that? And then finally the Wednesday, they said, right, you are locked down. We're going to give you the code so you can get food delivered.

Three days in, no food delivered. It took us till the third day to get our own food delivery, which we had to fight for. It was like, oh, and we were concerned. it was going to be something like the Shanghai one we thought it was going to be like 80 days three months what's going on we didn't have a clue no one had answers and we just luckily I mean

I mean since the last time we spoke luckily I'm in a really nice apartment now so I wasn't too asked but it was just so so swift so quick you're going into lockdown there you go done nothing we could do we couldn't get out of our gardens no one could pass anything in there was no information no nothing it was just like while you're locked down how are you getting the vodka yeah that was my question you're not going to believe

how lucky I am I was looking we've got like this secret Santa group and there's like 40 of us like so I'm looking around on Taubal which is sort of like Amazon or something And I'm looking around on top, I'm thinking, right, what can I buy for $40? Because that's the secret Santa Prize. And I found this thing, under than 70 R&B, which is about what?

About $25? Yeah, something like that. 12 bottles of vodka delivered for $25. Is that? Now, this could be blind juice. This could have sent you blind? I didn't know. I just took a gamble.

And I was like, yes. And it got delivered about $2. Two days before lockdown. Oh, that's beautiful. So you're just so, so I'm so pissed. So it came and it's done me well. There's about four bottles left. Oh, my God.

How long have you been in lockdown? It was a week and we got out of lockdown about two days ago. So about nine days ago. But they were only 700 in my defense. they were only 700 mil bottles Oh, okay, okay I was thinking eight So I mean, you can do one of them in

You can do one of them in three hours If you really need to It's not a big thing Huh So with the Chinese government You're hearing a lot about these Containment Centers Where they're shipping people off

And these little things And saying them as a camps Yeah, what do you know about that? Okay, so I mean, you know what? at the risk of being shipped off myself because now you can actually be put in jail for look at you, Zach, I can see your little smile here thinking my mate's going to jail for saying this.

I can see your little smile. We promise that. We promise that. No. No, at the risk of creating rumors, and now you can go to prison for rumors, what I will say is you've probably seen the videos. If you haven't, I'll send you the video

in a minute, Zach, of a riot in Guantio. Do I have to, like, you know what? I'll tell you something in a minute, by the way, Donnie. Listen, Donnie, I'll send you the video. And there's a load of people escaping from a lockdown. But I've seen on Twitter people, Americans saying,

oh, those people are going to get shot, man. getting shattered. These people are getting disappearing anymore. And it's not true because what China's done is they've give them a vehicle. They've given them a bus back to Hubei to where they're from the province because they were here

for a market. And they've given them a bus back to their province. There's like 400,000 people here for a market conference and they give them a bus back. So no one's getting shot for it. Yes, it was a bit violent. But I mean, China,

Guangzhou now is saying that they're making a new hospital in the next two weeks for 250,000 people who've got COVID or COVID, whatever you want to call it, and they're going to put all these people in this. The thing is, nobody's dying. Everything's asymptomatic. I'm getting a test. Every day I was in lockdown, I was getting two nose tests and a throat test. It's just there's so many people are no leaving. They're saying, like, we've had enough. for everyone, all the foreigners are leaving.

Like, love the place. The wages are sky eye. I can afford butter these days instead of, instead of, what was it last time? Zach, Donnie. What was it? Margarine? No, I couldn't afford margarine.

I was using mustard as butter in the last lockdown. I can afford butter again these days. There's butter coming on the scene. But the wages are sky eye, but there's so many foreigners saying we can't put up with 30 minute cues for the test every day, we're going, we're gone, we're done. Especially when it's just...

The Omicron, no one is even dying. Mate, I don't even know if that's what it's called anymore because we don't get that information, but there's like 7,000 cases a day. Like, people are getting... There's a bit of a tickle, and that's it. It's done. Quick question.

Are they actually doing those anal tests? tests? I heard that was a thing in the Winter Olympics. Mate, if I know a lot of people here would like the anal tests, there's this. No, I've never, I've never, I've never seen those anal tests.

There's a few jokes about it now and again. My cousin came in last year, and I said to him, like, you're going to have to have a few anal swabs there. But there's no, I've never heard of any anal swabs. If Donnie comes back, I'm going to try and make it so that he gets an on-TV anal swab. But I don't, I've never heard of them. I've never heard of them, buddy.

So I don't know. I don't know. Are you off to the World Cup with him? No, not me. Another podcast co-host. But we're going to get into that. Who's going with him, which one? No, not me, but someone else is.

PFT. Who is it? Who's going with him? PFT? He was the guy who did a bunch of moms at Hong Kong 7th. No way. Are you going with PFT? Yeah.

I'm going to be honest, when we used to be able to still get a load of a fucking acid here, I watched a load of your videos with Neil, and I showed him some of the you and PFS. videos in in in in Hong Kong and we sat there on these couches and we laughed about like me i would love to go out with you in pfc i think i'm going to be i'm going to be honest and i think you'll probably agree with me i probably last longer than you and pfc together but i would get you on top gear yes although i think you wouldn't last longer in katar i think you would be

the first one to get put in jail yeah Yeah, yeah, I'll give you that one. I've got a bone to pick with you, by the way. I mean, I know you said 10 minutes. Someone got in touch with me a few weeks ago and said, Stee, I've seen this video, you've got to get on it. There's a guy called Donnie, and he's talking about, like, when he was in Guangzhou, and he met some guy, and this guy gave him some white powder,

and you were saying to this guy, oh, are you a Brit? Now, I remember the different, I remember you didn't come over to that guy and say, are you fucking English, dude, or whatever. I remember that guy came over to you out of the goodness of his heart and said, mate, sniff some of this, you'll be okay. And you did. That's how I remember it. But this guy said to me, oh, look at this.

And so I watched this podcast and you were like, yeah, it was like almost you were doing the guy a favor. No, I mean, that's actually the same podcast that you're on. right now. Is that a no, so, so I'll tell you what I was talking about. I'm not saying I know the guy. Yeah, yeah. Oh, my God. I'm not saying I know the guy who did it.

I'm just saying if I did know the guy who did it, I know exactly what happened, by the way. And that guy is the head teacher anymore. That guy is definitely not a head teacher anymore, no. No, I don't know. I feel like I was very polite on the podcast to that guy and how he was very nice to me. You were extremely polite about, you didn't, I mean, you didn't even talk about

when we used to sit at an apartment and we get a, that person would get a delivery every Friday of stuff for like a few hundred grams in China. And it was just like a free for all. you were very polite about that. That was not that I know what I can. That's a podcast for another day, I think. That's a podcast.

We did actually say. Back to China. Back to China. What have you heard about the monkey pox epidemic? Is that actually a thing there? The only thing we've heard about the monkey pox. pandemic is that if I get in my lift

I live on the 11th floor they won't go near me if I'm walking down the street and you know a lot of Chinese are so cool but the older ones if they will shy away from me

they will pick kids up and run away from me I don't really want to say what I'm about to say but like Donnie knows that I don't to give a fig but I feel like

I feel like a black man in the 50s in Georgia because I just walked down the street and it's like what the blazes, do you know what I mean? I feel like Zah if he crosses over the border

to any other country because it's like they just see you like you're a second class citizen so there's nothing in the country about it except for the pure racism and the xenophobia around it there's nothing else

they think you have it do I have monkey pox no no no do they think that's why they're avoiding you they just see they just see this really gymmed up

white guy no not really and they just think foreigner like there's a big thing here about I mean, you know what, 90% of them are so cool. The older generation just think you are a walking virus. I've actually bought t-shirts for me and my cousin and my friends and they say like, this is our temperature, we are not a virus, we don't have monkey pox.

And people come up and they're like, whoa, that's so cool. But a lot of the older ones think you are a walking virus. So weird. But no different to what probably happened to a lot of Chinese in your country. And Mike Lee, when COVID first came out. Yeah. There was a lot of anti-ins. People of people swings and out of the boats.

Yeah. What are you guys up to? Like, what do you get? You said 10 minutes. What are you guys, David? Well, we're about to start a, we're, did you, did you hear about that, that circle of sheep in Mongolia that keep walking around in circles? Yes, I did. How cool is that? I broke that story in the US.

No way. Yeah, I found it. That was you. I'd seen that on you. Like, that was you. Like, I've seen that. How cool is that? Yeah, they got some brain disease.

Yeah, but you asked Donnie, we've done that out of par. I was about 12 years ago. We've walked around, we've walked around Wild Allen. You remember, you remember Wild Allen, the Wild Allen insens? Yes. Remember the sword? What was the big sword? The, what's that big sword called?

Excalibur. Excalibur sword, yeah, the Excalibur sword we used to have. And we walked around Wild Allen. We were like a gang of sheep back then. We'll tell that story one day. Yeah. We'll tell that story one day. Wild Allen.

I'm sure them sheep are doing the same thing. That's what they're doing. Perfect. Well, I think we've got to wrap it up. Thank you so much for coming on. But can I do, sorry, can I just say, can you guys check out the belly bros? The belly bros channel on YouTube, we've got like about 70,000 subscribers right now, two fat guys going around China, eating whatever the blazes, destroying cars.

That's another story. but can everyone just check out the belly bows for one second? We will check that out and Steed I will definitely

be having you back on whether it's a podcast of me or a podcast with the macro dosing crew hell yeah more mackro dosin

let's do that one because I've got a story about that as well I really have boy nice to meet you buddy donnie you do well in a

you do well in Qatar I hope you get forcibly bummed and then put in jail to be honest make okay all right let's hope that does not happen but i appreciate the sentiment all right man i love you again when i'm back from guitar because i don't get put in jail all right do you go no me that interview is brought to you by 750 mill liter vodka bottles that you can get on chinese amazon yeah didn't he say it was like 25 bucks 25 bucks like 25 bucks like 10

bottles or something that's insane yeah and check out the belly bros yeah belly bros on youtube yeah um that's one of those things where you know how they say vodka can get filtered and it gets better uh yes they test that on myth busters yeah because that's what they always say like tito's vodka is filtered four times or something like that or i know some people buy vodka and put it through their brita yeah they're brittah and it can turn like popov into absolute i don't know if that's true or not we should do that as an experiment one day um let's get shitty ass vodka just filter the fuck out of it get mr boston but yeah um yeah so this has kind of been a a hot topic recently because i'm you guys may have heard of graham hancock and randall

carlson they've been on the jo rogan show bunch in graham hancock now has his own show on Netflix called ancient apocalypse and so someone was asking me if i'd seen that show and then billy got really excited because i guess you started to dive into it on your on your two-hour podcast so on my two-hour podcast i've sort of everyone's been talking about this tartaria conspiracy and you know and if you listen to the last one we're going to go over kind of a lot of that but basically what i figured out about it is it's kind of it's kind of it's very weird and very out there in that a lot of it like gives up some classic premises backed up by facts at all yeah but the thing is this graham hancock guy uh i started getting into his stuff and ran some

uh sort of twitter threads and he's sort of kind of kind of a lot of what his theories are based on are kind of relative to some pretty controversial stuff by other authors that i encountered in my three hour podcast actually five minutes in i think i've sort of figured out i was like wait a second this this thing's kind of been hijacked and sort of trying to rewrite history in a way to make it sound yeah i but i do feel like there's still a chance that what graham hancock believes could be true i don't think he has the definitive proof yet but what a lot of what he's saying in theory could be possible a lot of the stuff what people are saying with the tartarian empire I don't think it's necessarily possible.

Maybe the Tartarian Empire isn't real. But the Tartarian Empire is just quoted as a possible one. Yeah. Can I briefly just tell people what Graham Hancock believes? So he believes there was a period of time that started like 12,000 years ago to 11,000 years ago or something like that called the Younger Dryas. And it's when there was like a crazy global warming and then a really intense global cooling that happened like very fast. And that that was around the time that all the large mammals that used to live in North America were all wiped out. And he thinks that was caused by a comet impact in Greenland, which there is now proof that there actually was a comet impact there around that time.

and that caused like a huge flood, a bunch of natural disasters all over the world. I can send you a map. I'm just going to send you a map to bring up. And he thinks that that also potentially wiped out really ancient civilizations. Like as of now, people think, okay, civilizations started to rise around like 5,000 years ago.

He thinks they were actually ancient civilizations, like tens of thousands of years ago. but a lot of them were wiped out by this common impact like 12,000 years ago and that it was, yeah, so he thinks when the common hit like that whole area in red were dealing with all sorts of horrendous natural disasters. And he thinks that common impact actually inspired the story of the flood because like almost every culture in the world has a flood myth that like a long time ago, God either. trying to punish humans or something like that. And a lot of people say the flood was caused by a comet. Like there's Native American cultures that report like hundreds of years ago, this like serpent came down from the sky, which a comet, it kind of looks like a serpent

because it has a tail. Quinticotal, right? That's that's that. Yeah, that's one of the gods. Mad Dogg, we could switch this map real quick. And so, and then he believes that it would, that some survivors, from these super, super ancient civilizations were the ones that then taught the other humans that were just hunter gatherers how to like restart civilization. So let's look at this map. And this is where

it starts to get tricky and we'll get into this. But notice how this map completely covers Western Europe, only North America in parts of South America, but all the places where the first world technically is right now yeah but the map is there because he thinks there's proof that a comet hit around in like northern Canada like I think he thinks that's where it hit but that's actually the thing is they've actually found mammoth tusks yeah with uh not sediment but almost shrapnel from a comet yeah and there's like a layer from 12,000 years ago like a layer in the soil that's liquefied something that is only caused from just like insane amounts of heat that is um it's found like whenever there is a common impact that same soil layer is found

and that's all that's found like around the world 12,000 years ago which he which he thinks proves that there was some sort of common impact around then um and then that you guys may have heard of goblecky teppy or whoever it's called as of next. Now, that's one of the oldest monuments built by humans that has ever been found. They think it was built at least 9,000 years ago. What's called? Goblecky teppy. Lobeck, how?

Just. And he thinks, oh, there we go. Yeah. And he thinks, like, maybe some of the survivors of this, like, that's where they posted up because it's very close to Mount Erarat where they said Noah landed. Oh, shit. They said Noah landed his arc on this really high mountain that's now in western Turkey, and this site is super close to that.

So, Globeki Techie, it's a round oval rectangular megalithic structure erected by Hunter Gathers in the pre-pottering Neolithic age between 9600 and 8200 BCE. These monuments were probably used in connection with rituals, most likely of a funerary, nature. Distinctive T-shaped pillars are carved with images of wild animals, providing into the way of life and beliefs of people living the Upper Mesopotamia around 11,500 years ago. Huh. Upper Mesopotamia.

Whoa. Although Graham Hancock believed they were actually used to like, as like a zodiac sign because a lot of them align up to like where stars in the sky would have been. 9,000 years ago or even longer because actually like the stars in the sky they change like yeah because like if you think about it the earth and the sun are like moving through the universe through the universe yeah so like where stars are change and so he he's tried to be like okay where would the stars would have been super long ago and he's also done that with the pyramids He's like, if you place the stars where they were in the sky 10,000 years ago,

then the pyramids line up exactly with the Orion constellation. So he's kind of like, he's using that as some of the proof that a lot of these civilizations are a lot, a lot older than we think. And that like, you know, below, below the pyramid, like, yeah, the pyramid, I guess has been proven that it was the pyramid that's there now was kind of built 3,500 years ago. But that like underneath the pyramid, there were even older structures that were built way longer. Whoa.

Same with the sphinx. Parts of the sphinx show extreme water erosion and that there wasn't like serious rain there to cause that erosion. Maybe a flood. And like if you go back like 15,000, 20,000 years ago, that was the last time that They were that like the climate in Egypt actually had a lot of rainfall. So he's like this water erosion shows that parts of the sphinx are way older than 3,000 years old. Like they could be 10 to 20,000 years old.

And just like the head of the sphinx is obviously a lot newer. But it used to be a lion's head that like we don't really know how old it was built. You know what? You know why I think so the proof about all the stars, right? and like oh they knew so much about the stars and they must have been more advanced i have a feeling that like the night sky was there one of their only sort of sources of entertainment yeah so that's when you try to like justify like why were they so obsessed with the stars and whatnot i think literally today like if you even go back 20 years pre internet like you see like everyone was doing

all these activities right yeah and you know today like kids aren't doing is much because they're playing video games instead of like going out and building clubhouses or like you know skateboarding or like not doing as many outdoor activities but i think you know before even tv people were spending way more time doing other stuff yeah and like living in new york now you don't even see the stars because of light pollution but back then there were no lights except for like a campfire so you're constantly looking at the stars i mean that's why when i look at the constellations. I'm like, oh, they say that constellation looks like a bowl. I don't see it. That's just random stars. But if you're staring at it for that long, it would probably start to look like a

bowl to you. And think about this. If you're, and think about what we do when we're like as far as as far away from light pollution as we can. Like let's see you go camping somewhere. What's the first thing you do at night? Look at the stars. You look at the stars. And then you like try to lie to a girl about which thing it is. It's an impressor. Yeah. I mean, like, where, in your life are the craziest stars you've seen because it is wild when you get like super far out there you're like holy shit this is always right above me and especially I bet like that's why I think sea fairs like people on boats were so obsessed with the sky because that's like the best stars well yeah they that's how they learned how to navigate they learned how to read like read the stars

because it used to be people are like well we can only use the sun to navigate so we can only take a boat somewhere that's like one day away but then they realize no like even at night you can still know exactly where you're going if you just use the stars uh which is what i think the stars are how the polynesians like the polynesians traveled from taiwan and eventually made it all the way to new zealand on like rafts that's that's where they that was the original starting point of i i think um yeah i think a lot of those people were from like the um the Taiwan area maybe the Philippines too and they would just be on these rafts for weeks and they and and they wouldn't run out of food because they could fish and they could get water

from like rain and stuff but uh the only way they knew where they were going was just using stars hmm and the thing is like back then it's just there was nothing else to do so you might well learn how to navigate using the stars that's like one of those things that we can't even wrap our heads around yeah like but yeah nowadays i mean i couldn't even navigate if you told me like drive to vermont it's like i wouldn't be able to do that without using my phone yeah GPS yeah i think and like yeah i remember even my parents back in the day like my dad when he was a kid his parents would sometimes drive massachusetts to florida and they would have to go to the library and you could like pick up directions to Florida that you could like rent and his parents would just have to use that

yeah i mean think about it in the interstate system even though it's not technically the most direct way it was just the easiest way so like if you're going to florida just hop on 95 yeah yeah you're right yeah it's only it's only when you like arrive yeah and then first thing you do when you get off the highways you pull over to a gas station and ask for local buy a couple map yeah kind of figure out how to get the way you're going yeah dude having to read maps in the car used to be wild i i have a theory that the gps is totally fucking up our uh a muscle in our brain that's been used for thousands of years uh to navigate and i think it's because it's gotten weaker of our spatial and navigational awareness uh in deteriorated it may be affecting other parts of that spatial time awareness and

awareness. Yeah. And I have a, I have a, so like, I try to exercise my brain by navigating without any GPS. And low key, I think that not only does that part of our brain determine where we are in space, but also time. And if we don't really know where we are in time, it causes anxiety. Now, hear me out. Sounds crazy. But think about it, we don't use that part of our brain. No. Well, yeah. I mean, I think almost all anxiety comes from either worrying about what you did in the past or worrying about what, like, is going to happen in the future. Like, if you just focus on the now, you don't have anxiety. But for the human brain, that's so hard to do.

But if you're worried about where you are coming from and where you are going. Yeah, that's, yeah, when you're worried about where you're coming from and where you're going, it's anxiety. If you just focus on the here and now, it solves all anxiety, but that's a lot easier to say than to actually do. Yeah, the at torn hyno cortex is the brain responsible for a sense of direction. But yeah. Um, um, back to back to, uh, so the flood myths and the younger dryas. Yeah. There's actually a paragraph here where he like lists a bunch of the myths. Um, Oh, wait. So, yeah. Like, I know it says right here. So the Miami Native Americans tell of a horn serpent that flew across the sky and dropped rocks onto the land before plummeting into the river. And then the Shawnee refer to a sky panther that had the power to tear down a forest. The Ottawa talk of a day when the sun fell from the sky. And when a comet hits the thermosphere, it would have exploded like a nuclear bomb. But. You have flood myths, really Mesopotamia, obviously, Israel, the Hindus have one.

Pretty much everyone, the Egyptians have one. The craziest, so the craziest thing, and I think their biggest point is all the similarities between structures in different parts of the world. And if we look at the screen, they have that too. dog if we could switch it perfect um we have Cambodia Mexico and they have very almost exact different structures this was actually the plot of alien first predator as well yeah the first one like those are very similar yeah but also they're in very similar uh what's uh environments yeah yeah i don't think that like like

Like, I don't know if he thinks there was just one ancient civilization that, like, lived all over the world. Maybe he thinks there were, like, a bunch and that, like, where a lot of, you know, where the pyramids are built or where some other temples are built are just built on top of even, even older things that we don't know about yet. I mean, the thing with, like, looking at these temples and they look almost exactly the same, just a couple differences, I think, you know, when you people make the same joke? yeah and it's like we see a lot on twitter like one of us you're trying to make a joke and it's like uh prince andrews getting the corgis and there's like 10 people going the number one groomer because it's like yeah yeah yeah you're you're you're relating that to pyramids like i think it's like we need to build a tall thing like how do we do it let's start with a big base and then put stuff on it and like when you like little kids when they're stacking black

locks. They just made pyramids. Yeah, because it makes sense back then. You look up into the sky and you're like, you see all the stars. That's where the gods are. So if you build something tall, you're being, you're closer to God. Yeah. So, yeah, it makes sense why all these people want to build like tall structures to honor the gods. Yeah.

And I'll just talk about different walls around the world looking the same. Like, people can. Yeah, that, I mean, but, um, If you watch that show by Graham Hancock, he goes to a few sites, like some of the oldest sites in the world, and tries to prove that they're actually a lot, they're even older than what most mainstream archaeologists are saying. Because that's the thing. You can't carbon date like a rock. Right. You can only tell how old a rock is if there's some sort of organic material like that's on the rock. um yeah i mean because rocks are the oldest things ever yeah like yeah you couldn't find it

the only reason they could tell how old goblecky teppy was is because whoever built it when they left they actually buried the whole thing so the organic material there they know they could see how old that was because it had had not been tampered with and had not been exposed so for some reason And whenever the people who built that left, they had it all buried. Did you think it was they buried themselves? Yeah, that's what people are saying that the people who built it buried it themselves whenever they left or stopped using it, which is wild. So they're also pointing towards similar sculpting and also the Trident being used in multiple iterations,

be it India you know Poseidon then also this looks like a Mesopotamian figure in golden funeral masks huh I think the whole thing about everybody being like

why is this so similar I mean all these people did sort of grow up in the same neighborhood being earth yeah like they all had access to the different elements that were on earth the gold funeral like gold became the best thing because it was the most malleable and lasted the longest and looks cool yeah it's gold yeah no i don't think like that stuff

necessarily proves it it's more when he's talking about how old some of these things are like apparently there are chambers in the great pyramids of egypt that still haven't been explored Oh, wow. Like they can use a radar to see that they're there. But they can't get to them? I don't know. Or they haven't gotten the clearance to excavate them. Like, look up, where's the pyramid in Indonesia that he claims is a lot older than people say.

Oh, yeah, it's called Gunung Padang. Gunung Padang. They think that the world's oldest pyramid could be hidden. in this Indonesian mountain. A scientist claims the world's oldest pyramid is hidden in Indonesian mountain. When Dutch colonists became the first Europeans discovered Gunang Mount Padang,

the early 20th century must have been awestruck by the sheer scale of their ancient stone surroundings. Scattered across the vast hilltop since describes the largest megalithic site in all of southeastern Asia. But those early settlers couldn't have guessed the greatest wonders of all may lay hidden very deep in the ground below their feet.

In a controversial new research presented in the AGU 2018 fall meeting, team of Indonesian scientists presented data to make their case that Gunang Padang is in fact the site of the world's oldest known pyramid-like structure. Their research, which has been conducted over the course of several years, suggests that Gunang Padang is not the hill we think it is, but actually a layered series of ancient structures with foundations dating back some 10,000 years or even older. Our studies proves that the structure does not cover just the top but also wrap around the slope covering about 15 hectare area,

at least the authors write in their abstract for the new poster. The structures are not only superficial, but rooted in greater depth. Using a combination of surveying methods, including ground penetration radar, the team says Gunang Padam is not just an artificial structure, but a series of several layers built over consecutive prehistoric periods. Huh. So let's try to zoom in on this. So layer four, so what do they think is there?

apparently there's some like chambers inside that they haven't fully explored yet wow hmm so what's he proposing that there was a there was an ancient civilization that's much old like that's at least 15,000 years old or 20,000 years old and that it was wiped out by this comet like 12,000 years ago and that some survivors from that because a lot of ancient religions they talk about these sages that like these sages who brought civilization to humans and sometimes they're spoken of as gods but those those bringers of civilization that they call gods were actually survivors from this from this ancient civilization that like like, you know, taught some of the more primitive humans who also survived the comet impact.

They like taught them how to do agriculture and taught them kind of the basics. Because really close to Glecki-Tepi is also where they think agriculture first started. Huh Coincident He thinks not Well this guy So this is where So this article you sent

Look at this So this guy was trying to make A genealogical Explanation Of all this He talks about Denisovians Which Migrated are different hominid

And if you look at this So this exact article So there's another human species That they just sort of discovered that was sort of kind of like neanderthals kind of not but definitely not human called denisovians yes and this guy's claiming that uh a lot of the demigods that all have similar type structures uh be it three prong trident uh similar building structures and themes and myths and whatnot so he says some open questions to ponder over were the ones we call as demigods a

result of Denisovians mating with the modern human being. Fun fact, Indian and other southeastern human DNA is 2.4% in a Soviet. What about deadly weapons described in the ancient text like Trident, Thunderbolts, and the like? So I think this guy is trying to be like... So that article wasn't written by Graham Hancock. This was a guy like trying to summarize it. Yeah, I've never heard Graham talk about the Denisovians, but that is, pretty interesting that yeah so the thing is what i've found with a lot of these ancient civilizations that now have been lost narratives have come with a lot of sort of racial application so this guy's using it to say that like the denisovians were the advanced civilization that got wiped out

and hey southeastern asians are all denisov like have more denisovian DNA yeah then you know anywhere else and then you see on the opposite spectrum and this guy that i ran into while doing a youtube deep dive that guy was also saying that the denisovians were like they could have been 12 feet tall yeah and so in a lot of ancient cultures they talk about like races of giants that lived all over the place like people say the uk used to be inhabited by giants and he was like maybe that was inspired by the denisovians and he's showing a human molar and a denisovian molar and the the facts is yes ancient uminids probably had much bigger molars than us because they had to like bite through bone and shit yeah but they weren't necessarily that much larger it doesn't it's not

like a shark where megalidon teeth yeah indicate that there was a 60 foot shark compared to 18 foot great whites yeah like but i think if you look at a gorilla which is shorter than us yeah their molars are much bigger but it is so wild that humans you know billions are like ancient humans existed on earth when they were when they were other species of humans also existing like it's true that homo sapiens mated with neanderthals and that like some humans today have neanderthal um genes yeah like that's just a fact and then there are the hobbits of Java or something like that, where there was just a race of people that were naturally like four feet taller.

And the craziest part about that is that the local traditions talk of these people. Yeah. Before they even found their skeletons, before, you know, anybody from at least Western science discovered the existence of homo-fluerensis. Yeah. From the Florence's islands where they're literal hobbit people who are just, short because a lot of like a lot of animals that exist on islands end up because of the lack of resources getting smaller yeah so it was one of those like there's pygmy elephants on certain

islands yeah so you think of the like yeah i'm just trying to imagine these little like hobbit people hunting mini elephants or maybe even maybe even riding mini elephants yeah and well the thing is they were also running from giant comodo dragons and uh i'm going to send you a link they were also running from giant storks this is a hilarious article it goes giant storks may have fed on real life hobbits holy which is fucking insane wait hobbit i'm gonna look up homo florenzis yeah hopefully we can get some visuals because these guys are i sent you one article that has a couple visuals as well yeah um let's check this one out but Yeah, let me pull up that article.

Yeah, they just have like one photo of a hobbit standing next to a stork. Giant stork may have fed up. Yeah. Oh, my God. I mean, birds are terrifying just at their size today. Like, if you've ever been close to an ostrich, which I have, I went to an ostrich farm in Tucson, Arizona. And those things are fucking terrifying. Well, did you see the ones like in South America?

America in prehistoric times, there used to be gigantic, like big build, like predatory birds. Yeah. That looked like, they looked like shoe bill storks. Yeah, yeah. Like more of like parrot beaks. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've seen that. And like, yeah, those things probably used to hunt humans too.

Yeah. If humans were there. So let's check out, pull up, listen to some stuff about these. Uh, whoa. Geez. Jeez. and this has all been proven so this isn't even like a conspiracy theory this this is facts yeah someone should just make a movie about yeah yeah they found them in a cape

um weird man yeah imagine having to contend with giant storks and giant comodo dragons and have little they definitely were riding little elephants yeah it's just i i don't even care if it's i just love the idea of them these little people riding little elephants running away from giant comodo dragons i bet you 10 hobbits on 10 little elephants could take down a comoto dragon they probably that's probably how they dealt with them yeah that's like one of those things the little elephants probably self-domesticated with the hominids and we're like let's go fuck up these comotos yeah if we combine our resources we might have a fighting chance yeah wow well huh what were we talking about before this um flood denisovians yeah we were talking about denisovians as well and um oh you You were going to go into how there was that one guy who had a very controversial theory in that you think that Graham Hantock's theory, like, could be accused of white supremacy or something like that? Yeah. So a lot of, a lot of this stuff. Oh, so in this Twitter thread by an archaeologist starts to critique the ancient apocalypse type of rhetoric and saying there was a giant flood, it wiped out this whole group of people.

The reason why archaeologists don't recognize this is because it would destroy their whole life's work and change everything we know today. Graham Hancock is also non-archologists. You consider yourself a journalist who investigates human prehistory, which is weird because journalists are supposed to, you know, study what happens today. Prehistoric humans can't give interviews. So the reason why it sells its attention. But the thing that starts to get a little weird is he references specific nomenclature, specific quotes that are sort of dog whistling to this whole other type of pseudo-archological science that kind of dates back to the Nazis. How so? So one of them is a species of amnesia where...

Yeah, he says that a lot. Yeah. One second. Just trying to find the exact one. So the new Atlantis, let me find the exact part with it. Talk about it. This idea of an ancient advanced civilization that sort of the remnants of it created new, especially Western civilization, is something that not only Hitler was sort of going after and studying, like a lot of those. stuff like the Raiders of the Lost Ark like that sort of when the Nazis were apparently going after all these relics and stuff and trying to craft the different history that sort of frame them

as the master race as of all things basically that is sort of the source of a lot of this ancient civilization that is disappeared so Tartarian Empire is one of those

things that is one of of these ancient civilizations and there's this one guy, Robert Sef, sefer, who, yeah, the great Tartarian Empire, Robert Seppere, to all these ancient civilizations, they all try to describe the ethno significance of who was, you know, in those civilizations. So this guy. So they're trying to say that ancient civilization. was Caucasian or something is that why it's like tied into Nazism and basically you know this is a continuation of an ancient uh advanced civilization that ruled the world so

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But like, they try to make Genghis Kahn a ginger. Yeah, so he's basically saying, like, Genghis Khan was a, was a ginger, Buddha was white. Buddha was white. Yeah. He's trying to say like basically the only.

people who could create civilization were but like in that conspiracy theory they were also like pointing to just random beautiful buildings that like we know when they were built and being like the tartarians built those but it's like no like those weren't built that long ago yeah um even the 1800 so there's actually a twitter account that i've been following just like to get into uh uh tartaria architecture no Tartarian architecture

but you could basically on the surface level Robert Sefer not right yeah that's where they're talking about Graham Hancock a lot of the surface level of Graham Hancock's theories

basically if you get down to the root of them all get Tartary Republic is the Twitter account that basically it just like it points out buildings and he's like that's a pretty sweet building definitely built by ancient aliens but it's pointing to like churches that were built in the 1800s yeah who built this brazil chicago germany all these

places new tartaria yeah it's like no they're actually just remnants left over from the tartarian empire like no that is renaissance architecture that we've been emulating because it was some of the best thinkers of our time like yeah that's who built all these places not no they they also point to like modern architecture they're like well none of the shit we build now looks like that now we're just building these like glass skyscrapers it's because we don't know how to build those that stuff anymore because we forgot the knowledge that was given to us by the tartarians but that's like they're pointing out yeah to buildings that like aren't that old they're pointing to a lot of ancient structures like pyramids the great wall of china but the thing is if you i think if you look at graham

Hancock's books he sort of pushes this theory um well graham hancock as far as i know he's never talked about the tartarians right i think that's even more fringe than him books he did uh i don't i don't know if he's i mean he he's a little wacky but i don't i think he's like if i start talking about the tartarians then people are going to completely count me out yeah but he's like i'm gonna i'm gonna just like say the groundwork that has can get people to start going that way and but and what's the other thing so he so a lot of the basically a lot of the rhetoric that he uses about these ancient civilization are the same rhetoric that this guy who's saying tartary is basically the ancient Asian ancient like super civilization that you know

the germans were trying to reconstruct but the thing is tartaria was a real place on from cartographers it's just and this guy does a great way explaining it and by the way they also said that tartarians had uh advanced technology that uh tesla almost discovered yeah now graham hancock does talk about that and yes and on the most recent podcast that he did with randall karl they said that um mazda or something has been doing research into this ancient form of technology and that they've already gotten some patents so like now he's allowed to talk about it which they think because if if you look at a lot of like ancient stories by the uh egyptians and a bunch of other cultures they talk about like being able to move stones with their voices like yeah by like chanting they can move

things and graham thinks that's based on an actual real form of technology that people used to have and then randall carlson was claiming that companies today are researching that form of technology yeah and that's part of what made uh like tartary is so powerful so here i think he said mazda which is crazy ancient form of technology research yeah i want to see if the reason why tartary was such a large expanse on these old maps, uh, from the middle ages and from a lot of Western cartography is because as you, you went to Mongolia, right? No, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I know who went to Mongolia and told me stories. It's, it's basically, it's a lot of lands and it's sort of hollow, uh, in that there's not that many large population centers and a lot

of nomadic herders. Yeah. And because of that, they've been living, like that for thousands of years right when people were making maps so what are you going to call that huge expanse that is lightly populated that's mostly uh the region that we think the tartars used to come from and it's just a nomadic people that used to be the uh the mongles and they just are now just sheep herders just living the same life they have since then it's just tartaric we don't know much about it we don't know about the kingdoms of it because they have no real structure of kingdom country it's just different tribes with different uh flocks and herds that they you know controlled these large expanses of land much like the native americans before

european contact they didn't have any structure of land they were hunting herding well actually the name americans i don't think were much yeah like mongolia didn't really have like when they they conquered so much of the world but they didn't like have a huge city for a while because they were just used to just wandering around and conquering. Like that was the lifestyle. They just chose to live. But then they did eventually build a giant like Mongol capital at Ulun Batar, I think. So I mean, there is, I think it's just those people, when you live in that environment,

it's just open grasslands. That's just what they did. They had huge herds and they had to keep on moving because the herds would eat all the grass. and that was just the lifestyle they enjoyed it wasn't until they conquered huge cities and stuff that they started to settle down yeah and that's when they became softer and that's how they eventually stopped conquering the world because once they settled down you become a much softer human being when you're just constantly on the move and constantly battling right um yeah so to to wrap that part up um basically the thing about graham hancock is he does it would be like

it would be like if someone uses a lot of the same terminology and uh beliefs to as far extremists but it's just sort of like it's a lot of dog whistles people are saying for this weird because like for example are people saying graham hancock's a nazi yeah loki i don't think anyone's actually saying that said it out loud but said that he sort of has these different um he uses so for example when the knots like there's this whole conspiracy that uh operation paper clip have you heard about this not operation paper clip uh um it's a different one it's the american exploration Are you guys allowed to play a

Rogan clip on the podcast? I don't know. I don't know either. What was that? So, Antarctic Service Expedition, it was in like the 50s. I'm forgetting it. High Jump, Operation High Jump,

exploring Antarctica with the U.S. Navy. So, like, look at this. People are saying that, so this is Operation High Jump, the, the. So this is the, the, after the war, apparently U.S. military sent a bunch of people. people to Antarctica. And if you can see here, they're just like doing stuff. But the theory is, is that the, the Nazis have created a super base. I've heard of this. Yes. I'm going to call bullshit on that. And that they actually got into a huge war with the last remaining Third Reich who discovered all that. I've definitely heard that theory. But like they discovered all that technology

that Mazda is now found and they're they're now living in a crazy underground uh advanced civilized like in the ruins of an advanced civilization down there that they found out about and they're using all those that power okay to like live there so and that's the whole reason why the u.s military sent so many people there to like try to find like try to smoke them out Jesus. Yeah, I mean, I guess this is all based on just ancient sources saying that that humans were able to use sound to move these gigantic blocks. I just thought, I don't know if you're, I sang you the clip. I don't know if you're allowed, allowed to play it like on the pod.

It's from the Rogan podcast. But I was just shocked when he said he was like, that. You can fast forward a tiny bit. yeah this is randall carlson he claims that there's actually research being done on this now talking about Tesla right now. Yeah. so that I feel like knew the frequency of a giant block you could then control the giant block if you could like match its frequency yeah we don't need to yeah watch the rest of the clip

but he claims there's actually research being done on that stuff which was inspired by the accounts of of ancient sound technology and then doing modern day research on it. look that up ancient sound technology uh yeah i think if you just search ancient acoustic levitation floating on a wave sound archaeo acoustics i mean the thing is all of these stuff that's being brought up

even if they don't mean or not we're all sort of the foundations of the historical beliefs of like these guys like Robert Sefer who basically think the Tartarian empires was like this ancient empire that's been erased because they were the chosen people that whatever yeah no it's it's wild um yeah like this article says ancient egyptians use sound waves and building pyramids and like why are they even saying that um I mean, I'm trying to look in Hancock's works right now where he might, the sign and seal.

I'm, yeah, the book of his I'm bringing right now is called Magicians of the Gods. Yeah. Where he just tries to prove how, like, so many monuments around the world could be a lot older than we think they are. Yeah. You know what I? When I finish the book, we'll have to rehash it. You know I 100% believe that so you know how the Mines, the Inca's disappeared without a trace? No, no, the Mians.

The Mines, yeah. The mines disappeared. So they think that was because of like climate change and that, yeah, I think they have a pretty solid theory on that. is that they lived in these giant cities. And when there was like a drought where it just led to like not enough food, there wasn't enough like food and resources to keep these cities functioning. And so like people had to eventually flee the cities and revert to just living off the land. I think that's why they think, yeah,

because there were all these mine cities that were just like all of a sudden completely abandoned. So these five lost civilizations, conflict, climate and economic. economic collapse brought these often mighty empires down so we have the mississippians which were a group a native american civilization that was highly advanced and that they had large structures yeah and that large the the remnants of the large structures they had are right next to st louis yeah that that's like the cahockean civilization yeah i think they were the most like advanced civilization we've found in north america oh that That's why Big T thinks St. Louis is a fake place.

Oh, yeah. For some reason, you think St. Louis is fake. And I actually texted that into the group chat because there was an ancient civilization that was there. Yeah, the Cahockean Mounds. You can see him if you're in St. Louis. I have been to the St. Louis airport and I spent the day in St. Louis. It didn't seem fake, but it did seem like not a real city. It was just like, you know, most of the.

cities there's a lot of activity going on i was walking around there um while the world series wait no yeah during the NBA finals i was watching them there and the place was dead absolutely dead so i mean but it did exist it was real i was not dreaming but it it did seem like i wouldn't call it a city from my experience being there. Huh. But yeah, so as you were saying, these other, these other civilizations, the Easter Island,

Rapunui, and then the Khmer Empire, which was in Southeast Asia, the Mayan Empire, the Sumerians were all of these different civilizations that all disappeared. Yeah. I bet that we were in a buffering zone of history, where different civilizations would get up to this level and then all collapsed because of

weather, climate change, whatever, like the same things that took. It was like it was overpopulation, environmental degradation, warfare, drought, and shifting trade routes, which, you know, that has happened a lot. I mean, like Rome went from being one of the biggest cities in the world to then in the middle ages there was a time and only like 500 people live there like it went from like a million people down to maybe like a thousand people just because everyone left like it couldn't support people anymore and i think the reason why they weren't able to reach a certain uh certain height of technology is because they all existed in perfect time periods where weather allowed them to

exist yeah and then something happened droughts that made them collapse until a perfect moment happened in the warming period of Europe after the ice age that allowed civilization to finally well and also it happened in multiple places around the world yeah but for it actually to progress into modern times

yeah and like for it actually to take hold yeah which which means that like it was everywhere and like for example there may have been 10 10 mine civilizations that have existed gone down in that buffer period that's cyclical because civilization was just whirring it would get to a point then collapse get to a point and that's probably what those older structures are and they just have to revert back to hunter gather lifestyles when population collapse would happen and all that yeah but it just it never took

took part to like getting to a a roman classical period because it needed a place that had a long enough time period with good weather to like break past a certain point of technology yeah i mean like egypt i think egypt's the classic like egypt's not even europe like that was one of the first that progressed past it yes they progressed past it and then their collapse was blamed on the sea peoples right that was like the the bronze age collapse yeah but that's another one the sea peoples is another civil like they're the atlanteans that yeah actually let's look that up if you if you don't know what we're talking about the sea peoples so during the bronze age there were civilizations uh where modern day israel is there was advanced civilizations where egypt is and there was civilizations

on the greek islands and in turkey and they all collapsed around the same time with reports of invasions by the sea peoples um but the sea peoples i think they kind of have some proof that they were just kind of like raiding groups of pirates that had to leave their land due to something and they just um they so they invaded the middle east and as you were saying it doesn't take a lot for like a whole advanced society to collapse like if we're one thing goes wrong it can set off a chain of events that causes like all of all of it to collapse yeah um i don't know if they know exactly who they were well i think this happened and then when places like even china probably was one of those places that civilization was like

found a good window to develop past a certain point and then it just took off yeah i'm i'm just i used europe as an example because there was that that warming period where a lot of Greece and Rome, I'm not saying that was the only place of civilization. Yeah. Dude, yeah, it's wild how civilizations don't just like advanced like this. They go like, it moves like a wave. Like the fact that the Romans had concrete,

like they used concrete all the time. And the fact that in the Middle Ages, humans just forgot how to use concrete, which is just, it seems like insane. I mean, for us to forget how to like, I don't know, you could see at some point if like civilization starts to break down not enough people are going to school like humans in a thousand of years could like forget how to make or or uh operate some form of technology that we have now yeah i mean we forget stuff that we used to know when we

were younger yeah like i used to i used to know i don't even know what i used to know you know like i used to always have to write in cursive yes now i like don't even know how well i could write cursive i think i i forget how to write yeah i just type and text so things are yeah things are forgotten if you want to change gears here this is something else that's very random but we were talking about crazy structures being built have you heard about the lines being built in Saudi Arabia. Oh, yeah. How long is it, it's like a building that's going to house a full city.

People thought, because you know, people just propose crazy projects all the time, but you're like, all right, this isn't going to happen. They've actually started to build this. So this is 100% going to happen. Oh, my God. Let's watch some videos on it. And it's, it's a building that's literally in the shape of a line, but it's going to house, it's going to be like a city.

of four million people or? They also claim this is going to be carbon neutral. So it's like an empire state building that's a hundred and seventy kilometers long. A mirror glass facade? yeah so you like you wouldn't even really be able to see it

it uh when is it uh when is it so they started working on it this year how are they going to deal with oh spur I think they want it ready dude it's

it's going to be done and like in the next 10 years maybe yeah but with that what happens with a sandstorm hits and hits that thing like a like a sail just pushes it over um i hope they've taken that into account it's going to be completed by 2030 so 2031 we should definitely do a trip to the line

and explore it they're saying they want to make the whole world accessible in six hours um I don't know Yeah, I saw the photos They're already like laying the foundation for it In the Saudi Arabian desert I mean they have the money in the fossil fuels To do it

So yeah, it's going to be 9 million people in one building That's like 100 and what And 130 kilometers long Yeah, let's let's why the thing is more I think there's a video of someone actually starting the line is actually happening yeah see that's 170 what so i mean what how how who's gonna live who's building it right now probably get probably guest workers like guitar um yes uh well yeah i would assume so yeah so we're I hope they're being paid a lot, but that is a good question.

Like, who's going to move into it? If it's connected to Neome, have you heard of that? Like, I think Neum's going to be at one, one end of the line. And that's like another city that they're building from scratch. I have a friend who's like, actually work, he works for a venture capital firm. And I think they're investing in Neome. Oh, shit, I need to find investments for macro dosing. Should we invest in Neum?

Is that a good one, you think? Yeah, should I ask my friend? I mean, how much do you guys have to invest? They told me to go find an investment. I can ask my friend if we can invest into Neome. We might not have enough capital. Yeah, so Nome, it's Saudi Arabia is $500. It's going to cost $500 billion to build.

And it's going to be the city of the future. they want it to be like they always say it's going to be environmentally friendly carbon neutral and i think like maybe after it's built but it's like the actual building process there's no way that can be so carbon neutral or maybe they think it will like balance out in 20 years but um i think all the trees in there it's a lot of trees uh no it's not the true i think it's just like once it's built It's going to incorporate all these types of clean energy. But I don't think they're using clean energy to build it. I don't even think that would be possible.

They're the, they sling dirty energy like, no one's business. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So the line will. like go through Neom City, I think maybe. This guy's got a weird. Yes.

Now, will you be allowed to booze in this? Booze in that? It's weird because Dubai is so much more relaxed than Qatar. Like, it's the same thing where in Dubai booze isn't technically legal, but they know that a lot of the money they get is from Taurus. And so, like, they also have tons of clubs and bars, and they're a lot, like, more chilled out than Qatar. I think if they want nine million people to move there,

they're going to have to loosen up a bit. Huh. like saudi arabia didn't even allow woman to go to movie theaters not too long ago jeez i'm down with a line but what the fuck huh um if you look at neome because I'm trying to think where Neome will be I did just see

when they build Neum it's going to have a Jurassic Island Park with robotic dinosaurs It's going to have an artificial mega moon to light the desert city It's going to have beaches on the red sea

that has with sand that glows in the dark That sounds like cancer Yeah It doesn't sound environmentally friendly yeah this trench is smaller than the one they're building yeah I mean that makes sense public transportation is very simple when your lines

when your city is the shape of a line is this the future I mean it just it's like Saudi Arabia the only thing they have is oil like they don't have enough water like yeah gain that

yeah oh they have sunlight too so oh so if they make the outside if the outside's all like a solar panel Oh. Oh. Yeah. yeah i'm not down with the line if you can't drink beer and you gotta wear burqas me and pf t were talking about that like what we're gonna wear in katar and those burqas actually

might be the most comfortable option because local garb yeah like i don't think they would care like would they mind if if we wear the burqas or like if you wear the burqas or like if you wear So they're saying like shorts, I assume with the World Cup, they're going to make an exception. But like normally, you're definitely not supposed to wear shorts if you're going to like a mall or any sort of religious building. But I think like when we're hanging out at the stadiums, at the beach, like we can wear shorts. PFT may be wearing his Jinko shorts because like those go well below the knee. it would be i don't know if it's uh sent if it's politically correct but if you guys were in full garb like a dress yeah like in the like mohammed bin salman that that would be i think it would also

be pretty comfortable too yeah um in rome but actually for the u.s england game pft is planning on dressing up like the statue of liberty um but like doesn't that qualify as cross dressing which I think Qatar frowns upon. So he's going to have to go as a manly Statue of Liberty, which I guess what the Statue of Liberty wears kind of looks like a burqa. So he'll just tell people it's a burqa and I think he'll be fine. I'm going to have to run soon. Oh yeah, we can wrap it up.

This has been awesome. Yeah, this has been a lot of fun. I know the whole like ancient civilization thing is, Pretty confusing. I do. If we learn some more factoids, we'll be sure to let you know. Yeah, well, I got to actually watch the documentary. Yeah.

That's definitely something about it. He may be not, you know, spouting, I'm not calling him a Nazi. I'm just saying that a lot of his beliefs align with some, like, like this other guy who is a Nazi. He also seeing right now he's trying to promote his show on. Netflix I mean there's always the possibility he'd be willing to come on macro dose tried oh yeah yeah what do you say no well yeah I think he's like I'm just doing Rogan oh really yeah like I guess if you do Rogan what else you have to do that cocky son of a bitch yeah what the fuck this guy definitely he's not all right well

he's a Nazi until he comes on to the show yeah proves Come on our show and prove us that you're not a Nazi, Graham Hancock. You vote. You vote. You bring your red-headed Genghis Khan. Randall Carlson is not a Nazi, though. He seems like a great guy. He's the geologist who actually did a lot of scientific research to prove that there was some sort of crazy comet impact. If you look up, search up the scab lands. They're in Washington's state, the channeled scab.

He thinks this, if you look at how the environment looks here, he's like, the only thing that could have caused that is a catastrophic flood, like an insane flood. Like a glacial, well, glacial, no, because he says this was caused in a relatively, like, glaciers are very slow. He's like, the only thing that would have caused this is a really fast, like insanely enormous flood. and he's done the research to back that up. So that's when when he first saw this, it got him thinking. He was like, there must have been some insane flood here. How does scablands be different than the Grand Canyon? You'll have to talk to Randall Carlson about that.

Maybe he'll come on the show. Yeah, Randall Carlson, you're a Nazi unless you come on the show. No, hey, no. Randall Carlson, we just want to talk to you about the Skagit. abelands yeah i mean with like a glacial melting like let's say a glacier no because he did the he said this happened really fast yeah um and that it just tore chunks of the rock out i don't know how he knows that but we'll talk about that on the next extra dose awesome should we keep going at extra dose uh we don't have to i feel like we could come up with something better okay like uh

like journey dose no that's a lot worse um um doseed no dosage dose dose maximum dosage maximum dose but like maximum dose makes it feel like these episodes are going to be like seven hours as opposed to the four hour macro dosing um I like extra It actually does I'll just keep it there Okay Yeah yeah yeah

Because we'll do it like It's like a little extra Yeah yeah It's just like It's because then it's not committal Yes It is extra Awesome thank you guys so much

Yeah unless you wanted to just like Cut this episode into like five episodes And then you could do it every Saturday But all right I'll be in guitar when I get back Let's definitely record another Awesome Thanks Mad Dog

Thank you so much much Matt Doc. Thanks. You guys are welcome. Yeah. All right. Let's cut it.