Macrodosing: Arian Foster and PFT Commenter - Facebook

Episode Date: June 8, 2021

On today's episode of Macrodosing, the crew talks about Facebook and the conspiracies/facts behind the company. Everything from LifeLog to national security is in this one and you don't want to miss it. Also, at the end of the episode, we pick a brand new intern to help out with the show. Sit back, relax, and enjoy. 2:00 Bezos going to space 8:00 How Coley discovered LifeLog 10:30 History of “life logging” 12:20 Billy’s black eye 14:30 The first vloggers 19:00 Billy explains how DARPA transitioned LifeLog to Facebook 22:30 The Social Network 29:00 What was LifeLog 33:00 Mark Zuckerburg 36:00 DARPA and Facebook 39:00 Has national security data mining actually worked 42:00 Hunted 48:00 The government’s shell companies 57:00 How far would Canada get if they tried to invade the US 1:00:00 Is it too late to worry about data collection 1:10:00 Intern interviewsYou can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/macrodosing

Hey, macro dosing listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Welcome back to Macro Dosing, the world's only podcast. We are here today with Coley, Billy Football, Big Tea. Arian had to duck out last minute for a family emergency. Hope everything's okay with him. He'll be back next week. We miss him.

We're going to miss him. But we do have a good show today. So tune in. Stay listening in all the way to the end. want to finish this episode because we've got our intern interviews. We've got a bunch of interns floating around the place here at Marshall Sports. And there are a few of them that have expressed some interest in helping us out on macro dosing. And thanks to you guys, I guess we're a big enough show where we now get intern help, which is pretty cool. So we've got some good candidates

coming in. We're doing a little bit of time traveling because we already did the interviews. We know who we're picking right now, but we won't tell you. You're going to have to stick around and listen to that at the very end of the episode. But today's episode, is going to be a big one where you get into Facebook in the origins of Facebook a little bit. This is big time hat tip to Coley. Coley wrote a blog about this subject a few years back and we did some research into it, some looking into it. And this is going to be one of those episodes where I think that we're going, we might be more on the conspiracy side than even your initial blog was at this point. Because like with the benefit of a couple extra years

have seen what's going on, like we're going to get real woke on this one. So, Um, turn at deactivate Facebook while this podcast is going because I know that Zuckerberg's got drones out there, uh, and he will not hesitate to use them on you. So we'll get into that in a second before we do guys, a little bit of, a little bit of crazy news out there today. Jeff Bezos announced that he's going to be going to outer space. He's going to take like that initial flight into outer space and he's going to bring his brother on the flight with him.

Where do you stand on? Is this cool or is this like ultimate midlife? crisis. I just got a divorce space is the biggest divorce party trip you can ever go on. The ultimate man cave, the final frontier. Or do you think he's just being a nerd? I feel like his brother is on the most hot, the hottest seat there ever was. Like, you can't, you definitely can't go to jail for killing someone in space. We have no jurisdiction over that. That's a good point. I think it's just a whole send. Like, dude, when you're that rich, when you're that rich, And you're just, like, single and, like, don't really have, like, like, he probably has

responsibilities, but, like, he can just call his brother me like, yo, we're going to space. Like, if you get that call, you're going. Yeah, you can't see. It's actually, like, big time hangover nine vibes where, like, you wake up and you're in outer space, just on the mother of all benders with your bro. You're right, though, he might kill. Like, if there was ever, if he didn't have the temptation to murder his brother when they left earth by the time they're floating around in space the thought will occur to jeff bezos like i've got

all this power what's the what's the final like the final step in proving that you're more powerful than god oh i know killing a man in space i don't believe that there's such thing as uh you know people say like billionaires shouldn't exist and all that that's fake news however i do think there's something to be said for having so much money that like literally anything you could possibly ever imagine you could do and like he's done whatever he wants And now he just, like, his mind has nothing to aspire to anymore. So now he has to go to space or like, and who knows what's after that? Because now I can do that.

You know what I love about him, though? Is like, you can have all the money in the world. He's the richest person the earth has ever seen. That motherfucker's still bald. He doesn't look too bad. It's the great equalizer. Yeah. And like, there's stuff he can do about that.

I know your pal Joe Buck has like almost died at not being. involved. But still, I mean, that's one of the things I respect about him. He was just like, you know what? I'm going to look exactly like Lex Luthor and I don't care. Yeah. So it'd also be a power move. I mean, taking it one step further, Coley, you go into outer space and you got your brother there. It actually, it seems to me like maybe the inverse is going on. So he's leaving space or he's leaving Earth with the one person that he probably trusts and loves the most. I think we're on the hot seat. Because like, he's, he's like, hey, man, trust me. You're going to want to be in outer space on this day at this time with me because shit's going down.

Like, he might, he might press a button and destroy the earth. He might know that, like, all electricity on the earth is going out. And you know what? A dude like this who's fresh off a costly divorce, he might just do this just to get his ex-wife. And he'll be like, you know what? We've got seven billion people worth of collateral damage. That sucks. But I'm going to get her and me and my bro are just going to be floating around space for the rest of eternity.

like that that is actually what i'm more concerned about i don't think that the world's richest person should be able to take his brother on essentially just an alibi cruise and leave our entire country we need that guy to be a stakeholder in planet earth for as long as possible if if if her name mackenzie right mackenzie bezos yeah if she's like just the modern helen of troy and Bezos and his clan are like the first ships to launch and ready ready to be about that action like yeah it makes sense or he's just like he watched the simpson because he has all this new free time and he's like this stealing the sun idea there's there's some meat on this phone i can really i can really work in my favor now it's just going to be like amazon sun we have to pay to use the

sun do you think that there's like a small bit of his of his brain that's like when you reach that level of wealth and power that just kind of dares you to go ahead to the dark side. It's like, dude, you could be, you could be the one that ended civilization. You could destroy the earth yourself. And you might not want to destroy the earth going into it, but just like to have that button. Like if you had a button big T that you could press at any given time that would destroy everybody, would you, the thought would occur to you. For sure.

In your darkest moments, maybe I should press this button and go down in history as the most powerful person ever i mean that's not cool is not the word i'm looking for it's not the coolest thing you could ever do but it's the it's i don't know i don't know the word i'm looking it would occur to me to push it yeah it would have to what about you billy dude i think okay i think it's more of a fuck it send it like you know i'm a billionaire like dust our living life type thing and i definitely think he's bringing edibles on on this spaceship and gonna be like the highest person to ever be in space to ever be high think about it i think he's just trying to get like it's not anything nefarious he's just wanting to go up to space with his brother and like hop and edible

and just be the highest person ever i hope that he's high because honestly that sounds like the most boring time ever like going on an extended road trip with your brother and you can't even stop for a combo as a mountain do you're not like picking up tens of skull along the way there's that actually sounds super boring. It's hanging out in space for a week with nothing to get you high, no TV, no sports, no daily fantasy. There was, there was an astronaut that went to my high school and he also went to University of Tennessee. And when he went to the International Space Station, he made them get SEC network so that he could watch the Tennessee football hands. I love it. I love it. But yeah, we do need to figure out if you can be arrested for murder.

space murder who owns the international space station it's a good question who places the police the u.n great question and is it technically murder if you kill the entire planet and then you're the only one left alive i mean i think that takes uh any authority figures out of play i think you become the law at that point history is written by the winners all right so that's amazon space takes so let's jump right into what's going on here Polly, you want to give us the background and how you came across this conspiracy theory? Yeah, so this was, if I remember correctly, the first installment of, like, season two. I started writing conspiracy blogs the first spring after I was like really writing football for the website.

And I just noticed the weekends died. And so I didn't really know what to do. and I just kind of like fell into wormholes and like conspiracy stuff was just so fucking interesting and I was like I know I can pick a side here like I know for every conspiracy I find I can pick a side and argue it against the other and once they got going people would just feed me new ones like oh look into this one looking to this one and then once I did the Denver airport that's when people like every day were like I've had a conspiracy for you And this one was like the day, yeah, it was the day before I went to go write.

Bezo So Blanco tweeted me, got another good conspiracy theory for you to look into. The government created a website program called LifeLog where people could document their lives and the government could track it. The program ended on 2404 the same day Facebook was founded. So I read that and it was just like a big, huh. I got, hmm, a little, little, there's no coincidences, you know what I mean? It's just a little too on the nose for my liking. So, of course, I dig and I find like a wired article. And like, yeah, people were very much invested in this conspiracy.

And I think this was, so this was 2019. So that sounds like just about the time Facebook and all their data mining was really becoming a story. I might have that timeline off. but they were close for sure. Yeah, it was, I mean, there are no coincidences if it's like that tight of a timeline. Like, right. I actually am disappointed in the U.S. government for not covering their tracks a little bit better. This is some sloppy shit right here.

I have, I've been losing faith in the people that are in charge of keeping track of our conspiracies because, like, I need you to manage this a little bit better just for my own mental health. and I completely believe that there is something to this. And I did a little bit of research on life logging in general. Have you guys looked at that on the history of life logging? Yeah. So, yeah, life logging is a thing. It goes back decades and decades.

So there are people that have been just like writing down every single thing that they do in their life on their own, dating back to, I think the 70s, probably even a little bit before that. But there was a dude that from 1972 to 1997, a guy named Robert Shields, he manually recorded 25 years of his life at five-minute intervals. So he had a 37 million word diary that he kept, just every five minutes writing something down that what an annoying guy to hang out with. Yeah. Dude. It's Bailey Carlin. He's essentially, like imagine, imagine taking, like your time out every single minute of every single day you're thinking about where you're going to be writing down next there's no way that you can have a good like a positive relationship with

somebody if you're just carrying around a notebook you're getting on a plane you have to make sure that you have your pencil and your paper ready to go this guy sucks i'm just going to go on record and say that robert shield sucks i think you actually hit on something really interesting there though when you said the thing about bailey like obviously that was a joke but like there are people who do that now like it's just it's far more accessible and easy to do that but there are people who every 10, 50 minutes, just fire off whatever inane thought comes into their head. Not that Bailey's tweets are inane. I love Bailey.

But just, you know, it's so accessible now that people do that. Yeah. Actually, every five minutes is, there are definitely people out there that tweet more frequently than every five minutes. Oh, yeah. We all have like reply guys that tweet the second after we send something. So we know there are people who are extreme. Kevin Durant, just extremely online individuals who cannot stop tracking their every every waking breath.

Yeah. Billy, do you have a black eye? Yeah. What happened? You're just not going to address that? I mean, honestly, isn't really that interesting story. We'll be the judge of that. It was just me and my buddies, like, wrestling in a pool.

Like, then later that night, it was like, oh, you have a black eye. So you don't remember, you blacked out and you woke up. I think black eyes don't know at what. what point of the wrestling black occurred. Billy, I don't know. Obviously, I've never met any of your friends. Are you the one who initiates the wrestling? It's a group culture.

That makes sense. Nothing weird. Like, yeah, oh, you and your buddies wrestle? Like, yeah, we were graduating. It's the last time we were going to be in those types of places where you can wrestle each other with no. Yeah, for sure. Yeah.

So, yeah, I was wrestling. Were you hoping that it was going to break your nose and flatten it out a little bit? it? Hopefully he was going to break it the other way to unblock the one nostril I got messed up before. So it sounds like you caught an elbow in a pool. We've all been there. It's, it's nothing like, no, I did not get into a fight. No, like, it's not, it's not, it's not even that big. It's like, fine. Is, is Whitey abusing you? No, he's doing quite the opposite. But, uh, yeah. Getting abused. Yeah.

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He had a first person video from a wearable camera. But these were cameras that he started wearing in the early 19, So you can only imagine the size of this freak walking around with like a full size. Remember the ones that like your parents used to put on your shoulder when you were kids for like birthdays and shit? He had a GoPro which was just like a Panasonic video cassette recorder duct tape to his chest that he walked around with. Honestly, like that's the most narcissistic thing I can imagine to do it. It's just what you're making a TV show of your entire life only for you to watch in the year 1980. And now people are millionaires doing that.

Exactly. He was vlogging. He was vlogging up. He would do it 24 hours a day, seven days a week. And then his site gained popularity so much that in 1995, it became the cool site of the day. Sounds pretty prestigious. And then in 1996, Jennifer Wrigley started jenicam, broadcasting photographs from a webcam in her college at bedroom every 15 seconds. The site was turned off in 2003 for hopefully obvious reasons. And then in 2004, there was a guy named Alberto Frigo who tracked everything that his right hand had used.

And then he became, he started adding different tracking and documentation products. And his tracking was done manually rather than using technology. And then the most fascinating part, I think, of the whole live logging. I don't want to say it's a phenomenon because it sounds like it's just like a group of maybe a half dozen weirdos that they're together. And they're like, we have a great community. Justin TV. You guys remember Justin TV?

Kind of. So Justin TV should be familiar to anybody that's ever watched any legally stream preseason NFL game. Because back in like the mid 2000s when it was out of market, you couldn't get it on TV. You would go to Justin.tv and you would find, it was like the original crack streams, basically. And it started out just as a guy named Justin broadcasting his entire life. And then he was like, let's open up to multiple channels, which was just used for illegal streaming, basically. And then it became Twitch. It evolved into Twitch after that.

And now Amazon owns that. But it started out just with a guy being like, I'm going to document my entire life. But I'm sure that really any website they're using to illegally stream, whether it be like pay-per-view boxing matches, UFC fights, preseason games still to this point, it's going to end up being like an energy weapon. device system that's run by the Department of Defense where they're going to be able to weaponize it down the line because it's the best way to get a massive amount of people to give their information or to log in to any site is like when you need to watch that thing that's on TV somewhere and you can't find it you'll click on however many Xs you need to click on in order to get to that one thing so I'm convinced that like cracks cracks streams all these

companies these days they're probably going to end up morphing into something like a little bit more sinister down the line, they have all your information. Is there a more interesting chat room on the internet than illegally streamed games? Like who, what kind of sociopath to get a username to type into one of those? I can't imagine you've ever, like your credit is not in your hands. It's so funny though, reading the chats. It's always like anybody else watching this. Anyone else come here from this guy's link?

Right, right. Yeah, whoever sent me here. And then it's like, it's got a combo of like every type. It's got like Reddit people. It's got YouTube comment people. Like they're all similar. They're like cousins in a way. And that's the family reunion during a hack stream somewhere of like a fight.

It really is the wild west of the internet. You have to appreciate it while it's still around. because it's very rare that you get that. Billy, do you watch you illegally stream things? No, I try not to. It's better, you know, because you end up with so much malware and stuff. Like, if you hypothetically stream, you just end up with all these like pop-ups and stuff. Yeah.

I would steer away from it. All right. Well, let's get back to the subject at hand, the DARPA thing. So Billy put together a nice sheet for us. Billy, you want to walk us through what you think happened at that point where the handover was done? So I was looking into this, and I do not think there's a direct life blog to Facebook connection and the way you think. There is, this was, so I've been looking at a bunch of projects DARPA put together in this post-9-11 world where, you know, you had the Patriot Act. You had the Terrace Information Act, total information awareness or TIA.

So basically, there was a lot. of money available to have these sort of services where they could sort of get information on individuals on a need to know basis. The thing is, I think what they ran into with Life Blog and the Terrorist Information Act was that they couldn't as the government themselves do the dirty work of collecting people's information. So if you, so this is where Peter Thiel comes Now, Peter Thiel was the founder of PayPal, close associate of Elon Musk, and one of the early investors of Facebook. And he founded a company called Palantir Technologies. Peter Thiel is a pretty huge nerd.

He likes Lord of the Rings, so Palantir is something in Lord of the Rings. It's basically an American software company that specializes in big data analytics. So it was founded in 2003, and it has a bunch of counterterrorism, you know, urban policing types of data assorting. And basically, they have huge contracts with the United States government, the TSA, you know, DARPA, which is the department, DARPA, which I'll figure out. it stands for in a second, but it has to do with national security. And basically, he was in very close ties to the government during these times. And basically, I think, saw Facebook as a good investment in having profitability in data mining more than even its page views, ad revenue, and page clicks. So I think that's where the connection really lies.

okay we should also say blanket allegedly for everything with peter teal he's proven that he's not afraid to sue sports blogs so uh unless you want to end up like holkogen this is all hey peter i know you're listening bro um all satire everything here is just a joke bro well even to uh to take it uh to take one of billy's games to take it one step from teal teal was brought in by sean parker the napster he's the one who i'm sure had a lot of the feds knock on his door when napser was getting shut down i don't i wouldn't be surprised if zuckerberg just kind of created this thing on his own and and um parker was kind of like a uh a deep operative like almost undercover like he he went in there he's got this this backing like hey i had my own social media

thing too. I'm Justin Timberlake in future and came in and he's kind of, he was kind of the wolf hiding in the bed in all this. Did you all see that tweet going around the other day? It was like, who was in a movie for less than 15 minutes and stole the show? Justin Timberlaken's social network. He's awesome in that movie. Yeah. So I mean, we're bringing up the movie right now. That's probably where most of America, most of the world really gets all their information about the founding of Facebook is from that movie. That's it. It's become like the canon in terms of how Facebook got started. And we all know that Hollywood is deeply in bed with a lot of various government agencies.

They can put out propaganda in a movie within six. You give them six months in Hollywood and they will write a screenplay and get it produced for whatever they're being told to produce it for. That's like that's not really conspiracy. That's happened hundreds and hundreds of times over the years. So if you wanted to kind of intercept. everybody in America into understanding like this background story of how Facebook was started that would be it's a very easy way to do it and it's actually worked because I think that's that's what I think of like how sure how Facebook got started but in reality

it was just like it's a book and a movie that was kind of it was put upon us by actually Aaron Sorkin who is definitely Aaron Sorkin's he's a good writer but he is absolutely the kind a guy that would serve whatever master was cutting his paychecks for him. So what we know from the social network and the history that we're told about Facebook is what, it got started because Mark Zuckerberg, he wanted to make a website where he could see how hot people were at college, right? It was very broesque. It was like mad at his ex-girlfriend or something.

That's how the movie stars. It was a rating basically like face smash or whatever. so you like hot or not basically it was hot or not right yeah it was essentially hot or not and so it turned from that into this kind of underground thing that started up in the in the new england area and then spread from campus to campus and it was primarily used by college kids for the next probably like four or five years before it started started aging out by kids graduating from college they took it into their workplace they became friends with their coworkers at work. Some of their managers started getting on Facebook to connect with those kids.

And then it just kind of got older and older until the boomers got a hold of it and ruined the entire thing. And now Facebook is just a, it's a trash wasteland. But it's done a great job of really just expanding over the years organically. And now they have like, I don't know, how many current users does Facebook have right now, Billy, do you know? I think it's 1.7 billion. It's more than that. And then I know that Zuckerberg was paying for. drones to fly over Africa to deliver Wi-Fi to more people who use WhatsApp so that they could in turn also sign up for Facebook accounts. They also own Instagram. So people like me who are like, fuck Facebook. I'm off Facebook. Let me just go cruise the gram for a little bit. They got some

sick filters over there. Facebook has 2.9 billion monthly active users. Yeah. I'm looking at the staff from 2020. That's 1.69 billion. That's probably daily. Oh, Jesus. Yeah. So at that point, where Zuckerberg takes over, Billy, what do you think was actually happening? Where do you think it became a more, like, when do you think they started to put plans in place to harvest data from their users? Well, I think when Zuckerberg was pitching this app and this website to big capital, like venture capital firms, right? Like a lot of these guys are seeing like, oh, like this is what it is like is there any other ways we can really make money off of this maybe not in the start but in the future and like if you look at a company like Tesla Tesla turns a profit

not from selling cars but for selling these carbon credits to other car companies because they get all the credits because they produce zero emissions so the government pays in these credits And then they sell those credits to other car companies who don't have as much electrical cars and carbon reducing emission type of thing. So that's like how Tesla makes its money right now because it's not that big of a car manufacturer and as cost effective as they want it to be. So if you see something like Facebook and realize that it has a whole other way to be profitable, then it's actual intended purpose, then that that, you know, gets catches someone like. Peter Thiel's eye to invest in it in their early stages. So I think it really, you know, if you look at Sean Parker, who became, he was Facebook's first president, he had a history with the CIA who he got recruited at 16 because he was

hacking corporate and military databases. I think the integration was very early on, if there was anything going on, the way that they could basically not only provide this service in Facebook on the face value provide this service, which is what we know is Facebook, but also to start developing these data gathering ways that LifeLog wanted to execute but couldn't as a government entity. All right. The private sector could get you to sign off. So to do a quick reset here, what we have is we have a known CIA asset at one point in his life, essentially teaming up with somebody who had started a company whose mission was to collect data on as many people as possible, who was also receiving funding from someone who ran several different defense contracting

organizations. And they were investing in this company that was started on the same day that a government program that was designed to collect as much information about as many people as possible was shut down. Now, that's where we're at. I just want to read, I want to say that out loud because like there's a lot of, there are a lot of sentences that we're saying in this podcast right now, but like you've got to distill it down to that. And that, that would be a pretty big coincidence if that were true. Now, I have a question about lifelong. This was, so this was designed to be a social network, right? Like when it says a collection, a data collection program, it was like they wanted people to do it voluntarily, correct?

Like it was like you would log on and say, I did XYZ. Yeah, from that wired article, LifeLog aimed to gather in a single place just about everything an individual says, thieves, or does. The phone calls made the TV shows, watched. The magazines read, the plane tickets bought, the email sent, and received. So that's where I get confused when it says, like, phone calls, plane tickets, stuff like that.

That's not necessarily things that you're inputting. That's the government surveilling you against your will. But I think it was more you would have signed up for this. They pictured, strangely enough, they pictured it exactly how we do use it. When people fly, they have a tendency to post pictures at the airport and at their final destination, you know, where they live already so you can kind of piece the air. Like people are, it just seemed like they were trying to do what we've seen Apple, what we've seen Amazon do.

And that's bring all, take everything and put it into one thing. Like the iPhone is everything like you don't have to send a letter anymore. You can send an email from it. You don't have to call someone. You have that right there. They know what you're listening to. They know what you're buying off of that. That's what LifeLogs seem to be.

But it was just government back as opposed. do people don't try something that's government back but if some random guy from Harvard invents and everyone's like yeah sure I could do that they didn't even do a good job of changing the name life log Facebook it's essentially the exact same thing except Facebook sounds like 10% less technical like when I hear life log I'm like I got a I don't know I got to like I got to like know how a database works to use that and it's honestly like life log you know what the differences, I think. LifeLog sounds like it was set up for people to keep track of their own activities to be a personal thing that they could check up on. Facebook is smart because they

recognize the fact that we're narcissistic and we thought that our lives were so important that we could brag about them and put like our best face forward to everybody else that's in our network and people would want to see what we're doing. It's essentially just like giving you a microphone to brag about what you're up to. And that's a much more. effective incentive and being like, hey, you can log on right now and, and check and see what time your plane flight was back in 1997. Isn't that cool? Like, even, um, the original Facebook message, like status you can make always said is. Like, it was like, Holy Mick is. Like, it couldn't just be like me sharing some notes. It could, it can only be, here's what the fuck I'm

doing. Like, that's all that's, it didn't give you any other tents to work. No, was. Like, no, this is where I'm at. And, you know, the main purpose of this sort of DARPA initiative going along with the total information awareness, which was then changed to terrorist information awareness, which is sort of parallel to lifelong, was to stop pre-crimes. They wanted to literally know who was about to commit a crime before it happened because that was, we were living this post-9-11 world where that was sort of the aim of these things. And I think once the government, because one of the government, because one of the government, life log was presented, everyone was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, you cannot take all the data like that. You're the government. You can't do that. So once they realized they couldn't do it through the

government, I think they were looking for ways. I think there was a lot of, you know, government funds available for ways to get it done through the private sector. And I think that's where Facebook, this random kid who was, you know, writing equations on his window in Harvard, sort of was like, that guy's got a product that we can hijack. And like, I don't think Mark Zuckerberg was trying to, you know, make this monster that it is today. I think you really just wanted to like, you know, find out what girls were single and what girls were not at the Harvard campus because that was like what you see in the social

network. But I think, you know, when the money comes around, it's like, you could get all the money you want for that network, but you got to do what we say with it. Then I think you're going to take it. Yeah, I agree. I think that whatever government agents or agencies were responsible looking at this, they saw a horny kid with a big ass that loved to wear sunscreen and smoke meats and didn't like to think too much. And they were like, hey, Mark, you're the smartest person in the world. Can we take what you've built and make it massive because you're so smart? And he was like, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. You sure can. You're right. I am smart. I'll move to California and spend the rest of my life trying to make more money because I'm so smart. I've got a billion other ideas like this. That'll be smart. But in reality, it was like they saw a perfect, I think a perfect product from a perfect CEO that they could kind of incept into thinking he was, he was like, everything that they were doing was above board, you know?

So is the thinking here that the government was spying on people to find someone that they could then make their Zuckerberg? Like were they looking for that, found him and were like, all right, well, we'll go with this guy. Yeah, LifeLog, we're changing it to Facebook. Totally different company, totally different name. This is the perfect guy. I don't know how they, like, set that plan to motion. Obviously, I don't think that there's a lot of research that's been done about, like,

and it's certainly not public about how they tracked him down or how they decided with this guy. Maybe they heard about it. And then the light bulb went off and they're like, hey, this is perfect for LifeLock. They might not have been looking for him. And is the thinking then also that he's just been like a government operative this whole time? I think he's more of a figurehead because when Facebook was trying to get money, he's pitching it to all these firms, right? And when you're throwing it out there that much, a guy like Peter Thiel's like,

hey, buddy, like, you know, you, and he was dealing with the government before with Palantir. And I'm not saying he has any nefarious ideas besides making money. And he's like, if I put my money in this now, when they finally get to the user base where they can really start selling the data, I'm going to really cash out. I think that was the thought process. And also, let me just, for a disclaimer, DARPA tweeted this. They replied to some guy's tweet just randomly. I've seen this tweet.

It has 83 likes and like 20 retweets. And it's just the DARPA official page, Life Log and Facebook have absolutely nothing to do with one another. That a former DARPA employee worked for Facebook stands to reason as many alumni work in Silicon Valley after leaving the agency, our average 10 years only eight years I mean that is that's not a great cover yet

like yeah most of our old art when there's now working technology yeah nothing to see here so do you all know who that that employee was that they're talking about Edward Stone? No Duggan yeah yeah yeah

Regina Duggan Duggan so she was the director of DARPA and then she went to Facebook and worked on something called Building 8 which was like their hardware offshoot that was trying to make and one of the the thing that that ended up turning into was that Facebook portal that shitty face a face time deal that just like records your home at all times and

you can like you can face time from one place and stuff taking your phone wherever you want it's a less convenient it was like the worst product ever um so she worked on that and she was the former head of the darbo i think regardless of how it started exactly the fact is that it's morphed into a company that just lives off data collection and knows everything about you. And there are a lot of very powerful people in Silicon Valley and in tech who know and who have been thinking about this because they're fucking obsessed with futurism in Silicon Valley. And they're always thinking like where the world's going to be in 50 years. They've been thinking about this for at least 20 years, knowing that the future is in data harvesting.

And if you can figure out the shopping tendencies, you can figure out the transportation tendencies, if you can figure out just something as basic as like how what percentage of people in this one city are married with one kid what percentage of people in this city are single but have two daughters and once you know everything about everybody or as much data as possible that shit is worth billions and billions and billions of dollars so from the get-go they were investing heavily into companies like this and a dude like peter teal obviously is one of those guys who's just nutting himself over the future all the time it's him and shingy who by the way we should you know who shingy is coley i don't think so we should get chingy on the podcast at some

point shingy used to oh chingy the rapper no not chingy we should get him on too open invite chingy but but shingy was this dude that worked at a well with erika and he his job was to be like their evangelist their tech evangelist and he is exactly what you think of when you think of like a futurist Silicon Valley guy, almost like a cartoon. He wears like leather. He's got like spiked hair, like that old VJ Jesse from MTV. He kind of, he reminds me a lot of the dude from grandma's boy that walks around with the metal legs, the robot legs. That's essentially what shinging was. We need to talk to him. Put that in the tickler file. Get shinging on the podcast. But I think that they knew that data harvesting and the more data that you can collect on somebody

really is invaluable. And that's not only for like American corporations, but also. for the government if you can have all this shit ready to go like you're going to be you're going to control the world so they were it was like a gold rush back then of let's invest in as many companies as we can that we think might be a day to play in the future and facebook ended up being the one that was the home run for him by far because it did play into people's narcissism and they were willing to give up all the information on their own as opposed to making somebody come in and get it but who one of you guys was was bringing up like um security national security like trying to prevent the next 9-11.

Do you guys ever sit back and think, like, we've had a pretty decent run here in the United States over the last 20 years. Like, yeah, we've had some tragedies, obviously. But we don't have bombings. We don't have mass attacks like we did. Do you think that to a certain extent, this shit has kind of worked in the United States?

I actually, I've been, I actually, like, wrote a paper about this. New York City, if you drive into New York City nowadays, there's no more toll boots. They just take a picture of whoever, they take a picture and they say it's because they're billing your license plate, but they're getting your face every time you're driving into the city. And there's so many CCTVs in the subways and Metro North, Long Island Railroad, the Path Train, that they know who, like, 100%, and I guarantee this Pallentare, metropolitan, which is their like urban security base, like they know who's in the city at all times, who's out of the city. And also they do that with international travel. If you enter

the country, you get a picture of your face done every day. The facial recognition technology that's been going on has been insane like for the past 20 years. So I get like, you know, honestly, are they taking your data? Yes. Is it probably for a good cause like keeping the country safe hopefully hopefully they're not going to do anything bad with it but i mean i think that's how they're catching the capital six rioters too so yeah they were i mean they were broadcasting them themselves those aren't pirates people to catch yeah did y'all did y'all ever watch that tv show it was one of my favorite shows they should they should have kept going forever i forget the name of it but it was um it was like former fbi agents and they gave people like five thousand dollars

and a car and they were like you have one week you can go wherever you want and if we can't find you you win a hundred grand whatever it was and they found them every single time

I want to do that it was an awesome show I can't remember what the name of it was I think they all started in Atlanta they were like you start in Atlanta that's where we are and you have a week to get wherever you can get

and then they found them like every time god damn that sounds honestly like that sounds like awesome vacation i would love to do that wait so they gave you a week and then you just have to sit there or could you constantly move you can move wherever you want it may not have been a week it was several days whatever it was but you could literally get in your car go wherever you wanted and they just had the tools that they're at like the government's disposal to find you and they they gave you cash um i think they did but i also or i think it was on a credit card yeah see that so that so that

They could, yeah, so that they could track purchases. But it was a, yeah, it was a super cool show. I mean, where would you guys hide? Should we even delve into this? Yeah, go for it. Where did you go, where did you go, Billy? Well, actually, what if I need to use it? If we're starting in Atlanta and you tell me I have pre-paid credit card with five

grand on it in a couple of days, I feel like there are a couple of neighborhoods I could go sell that credit card for 25, hundred cash, now I'm off the grid. Smart. It may not have been that much money, too. But something. I'm lying. Like either way.

Right. Right. Yeah. But yeah, that was one of my favorite TV shows. I've got to look up with that. I love that. Honestly, if you gave me $5,000 on a credit card in Georgia, I would, I'd probably drive down to Orlando and just spend a week at medieval times and just use all $5,000 there, have the week of my life.

they come they pick me up and I'm like yeah it looks like I didn't win this reality show meanwhile I don't give a shit I just ate 20 turkey legs and saw the green night kick ass night after I probably made $20,000 betting the other people in the stadium over which night was going to win because I knew the result and I had a great time got my picture taken drank flagons of ale met a few winches all right hang on I was slightly off the show is called hunted it was a competition series that centers on nine teams of is their fugitives on the run from highly skilled investigators. Each pair attempts to use their wits to evade capture for 28 days

in a 100,000 square mile region in the southeastern United States. And the Grand Prize was 250 grand. So I guess 100,000 square miles. And they did start in Atlanta. So it looks like two of the nine alluded capture. The other seven all got caught in Atlanta, Augusta, Lake City, Florida, Beaufort, South Carolina, Oxford, Alabama, Dade City, Florida, and Atlanta.

The teams that got caught in Atlanta, I mean, not smart. Yeah, I like the one guy that just went to Augusta. He's like, I'm going to try to play some golf. I don't hate not going that fuck. Staying right there? Yeah, the natural assumption is like, oh, this guy got the fuck out. So I don't hate the strategy. It can't work with credit cards, though.

Like, they're going, find you a few reasons. Yeah, but I remember, like, one of them, I think they were like pretty close to getting away and they found the car on, like, a highway camera. there was some pretty cool shit in there it was an awesome show bro i just fake being homeless smart and huge dude just like sleep on the streets just be homeless right they would they would never expect like just in the city that you game yeah i don't know florida seems like it might be the move too because i feel like most people in florida are also laying low to a certain extent yeah so you kind of everyone's a little suspicious no one's going to call anybody else in

because they're trying to stay off the grid too. Now, to make an analogy, that show may have had been funded by some government proxy or entity in order to figure out what people on the run do as a study. So that's sort of how the Facebook thing happened. Yeah. So like, oh, we have this idea for the show. And then one guy's there and he's just like, that's a great show. it may not go for many seasons,

but it may provide data on how people move when they're on the run that we can use to catch actual people on the run. Yeah. I like that, Billy. Stay woke. Because you're right. The enthusiasm that we all had for it, that's exactly what they're looking for any new product

to try to get us on. They want us to voluntarily do all this shit. Yeah. Damn. Yeah, it's like run by George Preston Bush and his family. Oh, I just started a production company. it's fine it's no big deal it's when you owe like a bunch of money and like child support or overly tickets and they're like oh you want a free boat come down to the police station

claim it and people are like fuck yeah it's boat time this time this is the rest of what was the there was a police department finally i hit the jackpot on something there was a police department recently that posted i think they posted on facebook they were like we're doing a meth buyback program they're like come drop off your meth and we'll pay you for it and like a couple dozen people came in with meth and got arrested. I love the rat on your competitors. You have a rival drug dealer who steal it all your business, a rat off the movie.

Yeah. There was, they do something like that with Alabama football tickets. I think to the Iron Bowl every year. Yeah. They like, that's the clean sweep. And you know what?

People in Alabama, they know that it's coming. But in the off chance that maybe it's true, they're like, fuck it, you know what? Like maybe I'm getting tickets to the Iron Bowl. let's give it a shot.

I remember they played something on ESP, and it was like Sunday countdown a few years ago where the Washington Redskins at the time had a program like that, but it was just people that still owed money. I think it was even like just local taxes. And they just did a roundup and they had school buses ready to go at the stadium

for everybody that they were arresting and just driving away. It's like, this sucks. Why are you playing? I'm trying to get ready for football. I'm trying to figure out who I'm going to bet on Sanponder. I don't need to know a story about like the time they arrested half of Princeton.

George's County. So I do think that whether or not Facebook was intentionally started for these reasons, what it has become, it's like you can't deny that it's got a lot of nefarious uses. I legitimately believe that the United States government is funneling money to Facebook. And allegedly, this is all my speculation. So, Peter, you're still listening. First of all, thank you unsubscribe, resubscribe, leave a five-star review. and make sure to not sue us in the future.

Shout out Hulk Hogan, big fans. I genuinely believe that the government, they create shell companies. They can do this through an assortment of agencies, whether it's the CIA, whether it's defense contractors that they're giving money to. You can create shell. They're creating shell companies using defense budget.

So those shell companies then can provide funding, for private equity firms and venture capitalist firms who would then purchase stakes in various businesses. So what you've got is essentially your tax dollars, government budget, being funneled into a private equity firm that then can invest in any number of business. If it's like a restaurant, a hotel, oil companies, venues, real estate, food production, whatever it is. They're giving money to these companies who then pay Facebook for whether it be like advertising, I don't know what line item that would come off of, but marketing or advertising where these companies are paying Facebook to access some data and figure out how to micro-target certain audiences. And then

those companies that are doing business with Facebook probably have a handshake agreement with whatever government agency that they agreed to share the data that they've gotten from Facebook using legal means and targeted ads and microdate and things like that, they can just pass that directly along to whatever government agency needs your information. And if you're Facebook, guess what? Let's say there's a company that doesn't want to play ball, that doesn't want to turn things over. Facebook knows everything about you. They know all your messaging history. So if you've got like a 58-year-old CEO of a real estate company that won't share information about the tenants that they have, their comings and goings, how long they've lived

there, what rent they pay, do they pay in a check? If so, what's the bank account listed on that check, et cetera, et cetera. If they don't want to play along with that, guess what? Facebook can just be like, hey, we know about the time that you message your high school girlfriend and asked to meet up with her at the local holiday inn. Be real shame if your wife and kids and all your shareholders were to find out about that and then you get fired and destroy your life. Like there are ways of pressuring people that go in that direction. And I firmly believe that even if there's no like contractual agreement between a company that says we are the United States government and Facebook to get whatever information they want all the time,

there are hundreds and hundreds of ways that they can get around that using shell companies where all that shit can be provided. Like Facebook, everything that you've shared with Facebook, the government will have access to one way or another. There's no two ways about it. I actually don't think they even need to press someone for that information anymore. I think what they do is they look at the GPS information around that building, which matches up to which users. And they know who's in the building. They're all their things like, for example. So they don't even need to know any of the, they don't even need to press anybody for that information because they already have it. You think Facebook already has all that? But there are some people that don't have

Facebook accounts. I know it's not like, it's not like super frequent or whatever. But yeah, I mean, the bottom line is I think that they have an insight into your entire life right now. The government does. And even on paper, Amazon, Facebook, Google have over like thousands of subcontracts with military and federal law enforcement agency, like it's in the FBI. And it's very, there's very direct contracts and they have these with multiple agencies and it's not even through shell company. So there is a relation already there. So then the question does become like has it hasn't been a net positive? Like it sucks that they know all this stuff. But just be I was thinking about this earlier today because in other countries overseas where they don't have a rigid

like security apparatus, you do see just like car bombs going on. off, right? You see, like, you know, there's violence, there's civil unrest in a lot of countries. And by and large, we don't have as much of that here, probably like a long shot. And we've got more people here. And it just, it doesn't happen as much. So it's like, you have to ask the question, like, whatever they're doing, it sucks. Is it working? And if it's working, how many innocent people is it also working against as collateral damage against the like couple that they do get? If it's working, why are we not using it to prevent people who buy guns and then kill a lot of people with them? It's a good question. So that, I mean, that's obviously like one thing

that we've, we haven't had the best track record of in the last, like if you're looking at globally, we're probably at the bottom of the list. Maybe that's harder, that might be harder data to to sift through or maybe that wasn't a priority when they put all this shit in place to be like how much does this guy, how much time does this guy spend on rotten.com cross-referenced with how many shotguns does he own? Right. Do you think it should be legal to have somebody's like, let's say internet history as part of like a background check to buy a gun? I'm just, I'm curious. And then you say what constitute, if someone has Googled mass shootings, shouldn't be able to buy a gun.

Well, there's a lot of reasons why you would Google mass shootings. Okay, but you know what I mean? How to X, Y, Z. How to get away with committing a mass shooting using my gun. But I'm saying you said, what was that website? You said, rotten.com? Yeah, I don't know what that is, but like... A lot of violent stuff.

Okay. But see, there you're drawing a very blurry line on if that were to be legal, would that preclude someone from purchasing a gun? If they have no, no other red flags. I mean, like, it's a completely different conversation that I know we shouldn't go, like, deep into. But, like, we have more railguards that feels like to buy Sudafed than weapons in a lot of states. That's a fact. That's a fact.

I was turned down buying Sudafed in Harrisonburg, Virginia, several times. I just had a cold. And they were like, no. And you know what? I used to work for a company, as a matter of fact, that worked with banking companies. and they would write software for banking companies to analyze how often one of their customers was purchasing things at drugstores. And because they knew how much like one pack of Sudafed cost, you knew how much two packs cost,

if they could just look at the transactions, not even getting the skews of the purchase, but getting the purchase price. And if you saw enough of it, they were able to actually come up with that data where they could then shut down the person's account or flag it to the DEA or to law enforcement to be like, hey, we think this guy's cooking up meth. So that's something that does exist at companies out there. I don't know, like, how frequent that is. But the banking industry definitely has some of those real guards in place.

But no, I don't think that there's, because of the Second Amendment, it's probably harder to write in legislation that does anything to like even look. We can't even study if gun violence is a problem in the country. So like it's tough to write in specific laws that have anything to do with the word gun. because there are people out there that'll be like, no, it's a slippery slope. If you do one, then it's all off the table. Yeah, we tie that so rigidly

to the founding of this country. It's the one thing. It's like, yeah, people can change. We can advance a lot. But this must stay exactly the same fraternity. Otherwise, everything else comes. Yeah, it's a difficult one because, you know, you do it like,

the United States is one of the most, non like the Japanese even said like we could never do a ground force invasion in the United States because there's a gun behind every blade of grass and you know for a lot of people like you know that's like no one can invade us it's kind of a big shield but then again if you look at the numbers I wish somebody would try no one's no one's even fucked around to find out like what's the matter like Canada tried to fuck us up a while ago the British tried to burn down the White House that was like what 200 years ago Yeah, the whole work.

They can come back and we had AR-15th. Yeah, exactly. Ain't no fun when the rabbit's got the gun. Now no one wants to fuck around. I wish they would. But it's just like the numbers with who the guns get used on at the end of the day. It's just like, you know, good guy with a gun, shooting a bad guy with the gun happens a lot. And I'm not saying it doesn't.

I'm like, thank God. But it's most of the time it's someone getting hit who shouldn't be getting hit. Yeah. So do you guys think that we could we could take out like let's say Canada got up in their feels one day and they're like you know what that was fucked up that you took wayne gretsky from us and Patrick Gwaugh we're coming down there we're going to fuck your shit up how far down do you think they make it before they either get decimated or they just turn back bro those mounties aren't no those mounties won't make it past Vermont you think Vermont would

fuck them up dude there's a lot of guns in Vermont for how blue of the state it's Yeah, they'd get to the woods of like Minnesota, Wisconsin and turn around. Yeah, because I think that they're like, I don't think they'd even fuck around with Vermont because there's too many mountains there. So they wouldn't try to go over that. They would probably, if you were Canada, you had to do a land invasion of the United States. What are you doing? Like sailing your, you're like ice fishing boats across Lake Superior?

What are you doing? What's the, probably North Dakota, right? In North Dakota, Montana, states like that, that's where you're going to try. Because it's just so, it's so few people that you can maybe get. like get a bulge in but there's not much you could do after that there's so many militias in those states though and those like i don't even think there's u.s army bases there because they're like we have a ton of dudes who changed up in the backyard for fun like we don't have to worry about that they're waiting they're watching vigilantly yes they want a reason like no one's no

one's invading Idaho i'll put it that way no that invasion would be over before it started so they'd probably come down through probably I'm going to say Montana into Wyoming. That puts them on a crash course with Denver and Denver would fuck them up because as we've discussed, that's the home of the no rad, right,

Billy? Yeah. And that's heavily, I mean realistically, the Air Force is bomb in any invading force. Honestly, we don't have real wars anymore. Yeah, I remember I asked a previous and then co-worker in those podcasts like what if we just stopped putting all of our money into advancing war technology

and just went back to hand-to-hand combat? And he was like, that's a bad idea for us. I was like, is there a reason war can't be civil in the future? Like, why can't it just be like, you know what, Russia and the United States have a disagreement? We nominate Billy Football, who's your challenger, fifth, like, ten rounds. That's how we'd solve this. Like, no need to kill millions of people. Like, just one-on-one.

you win great we're wrong then you we win you're wrong yeah dude nukes have changed the game of war yeah dude like you said it nuke's like automated like tough guys like yeah it's like it's like saber metrics and and football fucking nerds can win wars now yeah you don't even have to be good at you don't even have to get out of bed you can have you can have sleep apnea asthma gout and lupus and be able to take over the world. Exactly. Weird times that we're living in it right now. But yeah, I think, like, fist fighting,

if you just let the entire armies fight, but just no weapons. Just duke it out hand to hand. Yeah. I'm on board with that. So they get fucked up by the time they tried to get past, like, once they hit the Wyoming border, they tuck tail and run back.

Yeah. All right. You guys got anything else to add to this? I think we pretty much are in agreement. I did have one question for Coley, because in your blog, you said pretty much that you're like pro this stuff. And we've touched on this before. But I'm just curious, like, you seem to think of it.

I think you were pretty much solely talking about like targeted ads, right? Like if people are anti-targeted ads. But like data collection as a whole, are you in favor of that? yeah i mean it's it's it's it's less like uh a pro con and more like uh that that toothpaste is out of the tube like there's no like even like we all have iPhones here so recently when you update everything we'll ask you like hey do you want this company to take your data yes or no like there's no chance press a no they're listening like no fucking chance that that that's just the button to make people feel i do think i do think apple is better than a lot of

of companies, though. They tried to stop the FBI from getting into a terrorist phone. Yeah. Did they or did they just say that? No, they went to court over it. For sure. And I think they won. I don't recall. They probably did. But like, we can get into a deeper thing where it's just like, I mean, you say fake news more than anyone in 2021. Like, I could easily make that the most fake news of all time if I wanted to spin it. So it's just like, how much trust do I put into that not being like a stage court? And, you know, Apple has a lot of Apple might be selling data to other entities outside of the United States. Yeah, like Steve Jobs. I trusted that that should

had Steve Jobs. He was he was enough of like an asshole to everybody that I actually, I actually respected it. I think that he would he would probably rather be killed than hand over like a hard drive to federal agency this new guy i don't know what he's all about i don't trust yeah yeah unless you're unless you're wearing the same turtleneck every day and buying a new car every 29 days so you never have to get a license plate like steve jobs i don't trust you to to run all my shit but you know what i'm still doing i'm still using an iphone every day and um they they definitely if they didn't have all my information before pomego came out and i was taking videos of my house using some app and sending it directly to Apple and to China.

They have everything now. So I'm a sucker. What can I say? There's just like I don't know. I definitely understand people who are super anti-data collection and things like that. I'm very lazy at the end of the day. Like I can talk a big game, but I'm very lazy. So if they want to spoon feed me as much of the shit I like as they know I like, I'm all on for you.

Remember, one of the best things about capitalism is that, usually at the end of the day people are just trying to make money like if there's no like dark scheme they just want to like get as much money out of you so if that's any source of comfort you know they just want you to buy as much shit as you can the government uh well i'm not talking about amazon the government has plenty of money uh they but they still want to collect your data and it ain't to sell you anything they're already they they they the product they sell you is built in when you get a job they just take it well like the like the fucking blog said like most of us aren't doing anything interesting enough that's the biggest that's the biggest

fallacy though like that's how that's how they instill in you like oh it's not a big deal i'm not doing anything wrong i'm not interesting no you are that's why they want it no this was my point on the a i i like we we're in too deep like what like what are we going to do you and me are we going to stop the government from data mining no but like we're we're on a show right now that's going to be listened to by tens of thousands of people more than that big tea have some respect for yourself i i'm not privy to the numbers they don't share that with me um but however many people listen to this show we have you have an opportunity to say something that a lot of people will hear and potentially impact their opinion on important things like this all right the people listening

you're also not interesting yeah it's the same sad truth you know what individual persons are not interesting people in general are what they're after for the data to see like trains and to analyze that shit and then to see like where an outlier might be that's that's what most of the work is now there's not like one guy although that would be hilarious if at some point in the future it was like a one to one basis where one person was just assigned to watch your entire life to keep like real close tabs on everybody that was born um that would be sick if that were true i would i would fuck with my guy so bad There's two, there's two, like, population of people, the watchers and the watched.

Dude, this is, I mean, this is a great idea for a movie. And if you're a watcher, do you know if you have someone watching you? Is it a watching pyramid scheme? Or maybe your person's in charge of watching you and you're just watching each other. Right. Oh, everybody watches three people. And then the people above them watch two people. And then there's one guy.

just watches one dude and that guy's god maybe that's uh the like in the early 2000s all television programming kind of pivoted from scripted to reality maybe that was just an easier way for us to watch everyone oh my god yeah you're right you're absolutely right all right bottom line is mark suckerberg's an actual robot they're watching everything that you do stay woke but continue to use instagram because there's some sweet fix on fit pics on there so that's we're not going to get rid of anything I give up Steve

would have never stood for any of this chord changing bullshit where you can't get the right chords anymore you know what I'm saying like the audio jack is now the main jack

and now the computer has the new port where you can't plug in the HTML or USB like you wouldn't have studied for that do you think that our old do you think that they change

the cords because our old cords store all our information in them and when you throw them way. They're sifted into a special bin so they collect everything. I do. Also, shout out to whoever the salesperson was that sold all the alarm clocks to every hotel in America that have the last generation of iPhone connection. Yeah, that guy, that guy was putting numbers on the board

in the early. The I homes. Yeah, no, and especially garbage time. Like, that guy is, he is the junkstats king of the sales industry because 2012, he was unloading his, last inventory. He was like, I got to get rid of all this shit because in six months they're going to change everything. Can't sell anything. That dude is the man in crunch time. He makes like Matt Schaubb look like a sucker for the numbers he was putting up. He was Reggie Miller nine points in eight seconds. That's what he was. That's why he was getting accomplished up there, eight and nine. So yeah. All right. Anything else anybody? Shout to the government. We love you guys. We don't.

I mean, Aaron would be sick if you could have heard the end of this episode. I know. I do want to get his takes on it at the start next week's episode because I'm sure he'll have something to say, but yeah, I've reached the point where I'm like a little bit resigned to everything. I'm still not using Facebook

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Do you guys know the game, Indian Reservation? You know the game what? Indian Reservation. It's where you like we can change the name of it but it's like you take three random words have the people word associate from the first to the second second to the third and then third back to native native reservation but we could make it like mushrooms like something else native reservation came in there right so like basically give me three random words that are totally totally unrelated. Okay, frogs, smelling salts. Perfect. Quitting your part-time job.

Perfect. So, frogs, amphibians, amphibians, animals, animals, biology, biology, science, science, chemistry, chemistry, chemicals, chemicals, salt salts is that a good connection you probably could have gotten there faster but yeah salts smelling salts smelling salts smelling salts andphetamine salts infatamine salts drugs drugs unemployment quitting your part-time job quitting your part-time job getting a full-time job getting a full-time job America no

economy economy America Native Americans Native Reservation why just get a job at the Native American reservation because they won't hire me because they don't have a high enough

Choctaw percentage we may have to keep that in yeah I think we keep this in how Billy what percentage Choctaw are you? like my mom had like 2% show up on her ancestry.com so it's not real okay but it's more than what's her face if you're applying to harvard could you list this as a background more than probably more than we know we know the person who did by the way there's a theory out there that

one day Dave Portnoy will take Elizabeth Warren's job in the Senate yeah yeah one of the guys from choppo has been trying to convince me to convince Dave to run for Senate just like using his existing platform and his ideals, but just running slightly to the left of Elizabeth Warren on health care. And that's it. And then they remain convinced that Dave can be a senator from Massachusetts. I don't even think he has to, I don't think he has to do anything. I think he just showed up and was like, hey, you can vote for me. I think that would be enough. Yeah, probably. It's too much of a pay cut. That's true. Well, I just, no, pay cut on the books. Sure. I just Googled.

What do you all think the senator's salary has been the same since 2009? What do you all think it is? I think it's 210,000. 174. The salaries don't even matter. It's the fucking lobbyist money. Yeah. So like randomly,

I'm sure legalized sports gambling would take effect to Massachusetts very quickly after Dave would become a senior. I could see that. Yeah. Big T, can you plug this in real quick? So, yeah,

we're discussing ways that we can interview the macro dosing intern for the summer. We've got four good candidates. that replied to Gaz's inquiry about who wants to work with us. We'll figure out which one is right for us. They're going to be coming up here in a couple of minutes. I like that idea, Billy. I like the idea of doing, but let's figure out a different thing to tie it back into.

Right, right. I mean, that's just the one. I'm just curious where the Native American reservation part came. That seems like a completely arbitrary endpoint. That's fine. I have no idea. Okay. How about we tie it back into?

Just make it macro. into macrodosing. Yeah. Just like psychedelics. Okay. I was thinking Bill Walton. Yeah. Okay.

Coley, done. Tied back into Bill Walton. That would actually be easier than I would think because you can tie anything to Bill Walton. I'm sure Bill Walton is ranted about just about everything on the area. You know the thing that you can do where you can just type in Tom Brodududud and then any word, any noun, and there will be like seven hilarious tweets. Yeah.

I think I have only one of those, and that's the word piss. I was looking up PFT Comptor piss yesterday because I was trying to find the video of me and Donnie getting pissed on ourselves in Hong Kong. I didn't find that, but I just scroll through like six pages of my own tweets just talking about this. Not to brag, most of them were baggers. That's probably my specialties. Yeah, just talk about urine. Billy, what do you think your specialty would be? I'm going to do that with Billy right now, actually.

What? Give me any noun. Somebody give me now, and I'm going to search it for Billy Hot takes shirt. Billy Hot takes shirt. All right. Let's see what comes up here. Let's just say the fam really popped off and I'm going to be rocking some A1 flannels and rugby shirts in the new year. Sunglasses emoji.

Is that from Christmas? That's from Christmas, yeah. Love that. From May 8th, 2020, how beast is this shirt? And it's a Lemmy shirt, just a Motorhead T-shirt. That's pretty cool. I made a TikTok. I do not want to be a TikToker.

I promise I will never dance on it or take my shirt off. I want to post grilling vids or like stuff I think it's cool as fuck. That's pretty cool. I think those are your only shirt takes. Yeah. Start the weekend off right. Just hit buys and tries and feel like a beast. Hashtag arm farm.

There's not even the word shirt in there, but the algorithm got you. It knew what you're talking about. So any other questions that we have for these guys? Yeah. I want, like, all of us have our own unique beliefs unto each, each one of us. So I want to know, like, what's the craziest thing they believe to be true. Because if these people can't, like, have some outside the box beliefs, we know they're not a right match for us. Yeah.

I need to see evidence of them being weird in one way or another. Yeah. Yeah. Agreed. What about you, Big T? What are you looking? Are you looking for somebody that can, who has a logic? agree that might be able to defend you in some upcoming murder trial?

I don't plan on being in any of those, but if it might not hurt. That's just a lie. You do plan. You spend every waking moment of your life planning. Oh, that's false first. Planning what if? First of all, no, because you just, by saying I plan, you just may have taken something up a degree.

You do plan it, though. No, I don't. I'm not even exaggerating. No, I don't. I worry about it. I don't plan it. You think through worst case. Premeditated.

Yeah. You think through worst case scenarios all the time. That's, that's accurate. That's not what you. said that's planning no you wise people do think through worst case scenarios all right so they don't happen so you get arrested right now what's the first thing you do who's your phone call to um who do i know that i honest that's a good question i don't it'd probably be like i don't know my uncle maybe now you've got a plan yeah a plan if i went to jail not a plan to do something nefarious

what would you say to your uncle i'd be like it happened I'm in jail. Please help me. My worst fear, our worst fear that we talked about. You know that thing that we discussed? Yeah, open the envelope. You can tell the interns are late. We're just,

how they would murder someone, like how they get away with it. Yeah, good call. I think we asked you that, didn't we? Oh, no, we said when Billy came in for his interview, we were like, you come in, it's 9 o'clock in the morning. We hand you a bag.

The bag is wet. We say, get rid of this bag. What do you do with it? Oh, yeah. What did I say? I think you said that you throw it into the river. Yeah. Come on in. Smart.

The river solves so many problems. We're just putting in a time capsule. So one time there's an employee here who shall not be named. His initials are CC and he does a military podcast. And I had a gun and I was trying to get rid of my gun that I had bought for a bit down in Houston when we were filming the thing for Comedy Central. So I ended up with a handgun that I was supposed to leave in Texas. with Chaps, which is totally illegal. I was going to sell it to Chaps in Texas.

Turns out that an office manager just brought it back on the RV, allegedly. And I had to figure out a way to get rid of it. And so Word got around the office that I had to get rid of this gun. And this unnamed person, CC, came into the office one day. Pulled me into the kitchen because it's the only place in the office where there weren't any video cameras. Great operational security on his part. He's an officer. It stands to reason.

So he was like, here's what we do. do you disassemble the magazine you take off the slide we put it in separate bags filled with bleach then we take those bags filled with bleach and we dump one in the east river one in the hudson river we take one up to the lake in the park he had like a scenario ready to go for me and i was like dude thank you but it's actually legal for me to just take this to a police department right and have them buy it back and pay me two hundred dollars anonymously that was some of my favorite because there was a point where like I was the one spreading that you that they we had a it was like a company gun it was like a pet almost yeah uh and when brett told me

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you want to introduce yourself to everybody uh i'm riley callins i am the game time intern doing social media for game time and helping out like the production of all the streams and stuff okay so i i appreciate the fact that you wore tie-dye today that feels like it was not a coincidence uh this was my fifth favorite clean shirt so and i was going in order from top to bottom for my days at bar still so it is a little bit of a coincidence did you make a tic-tok this morning that said tie-dye shirt was the move no i did not that was that one that one was not me that one was not me let's just put it out there okay all right um so welcome to the studio thank you for having me i really appreciate that's coli that's billy we got big tea here arian is uh he's dealing with some family stuff today so he's

not around but um we wanted to get to know you a little bit tell us a little bit about yourself where you're from what you're like what do you do what are you good at so i am from the chicago area and i went to john kill university which is like the nfl like coach and gm like i don't know factory basically yep um i'm a rugby player just like you so That's why I'm good at moving things with my body and I'm good at hitting things with my head. Similar to, I think, Billy, too, as well. Besides that. I wish Billy was there so they could do an Oklahoma drill.

Oh, I would absolutely love that. I got on Barstall, Chicago when I was, like, a sophomore in college because I went to the Bill's Bears game in Buffalo. And I did Oklahoma drills with this dude who was like six foot four, like 350 pounds without a shirt on, cigar in his mouth hammered in the middle of November. That's one of my favorite videos of myself. How can I look it up? It's on Barstow, Chicago's Twitter and Instagram. I might be able to find it. Quick question.

What's your height and weight? I am 5'10, a height for Kings, and I am about 240 pounds. Okay, thickboard. Low center of gravity. Yes, very low center of gravity. That's like Mike Tolbert's statue. Yeah. Do you have any 40 times or Sparkcom?

Billy, I can assure you that you are faster than me. That is for sure. Billy's line of questions. He was just trying to figure out if he could physically dominate you or not. I'll put it this way. If you were to enter the ring against Billy, you'd have to go warm mode against him, obviously. Yes. How would you plan on taking him out?

Well, it depends. Are we doing boxing? Are we doing like full-on M-M-M-A? Definitely go for the legs and try and get you on the ground. That's my main strategy because I know I have really short, like, T-Rex arms, so I'm not going to be able to reach him. So I have to get him on the ground first and then probably lose weight beforehand if we're going to go in the ring because I think it'd be really gassed.

Got a cut. Yeah. Besides that, I really don't have a strategy. I've never had any time I've been in like physical contact with the person. There's no strategy. It just kind of comes to you. Okay. So tell me what you're good at in terms of like, what are your skills?

If you were to come on as macrodosing's intern, what would you, would you be comfortable taking over social media? Yes. Tell me what you're good at. So the way I got into Barstle in the first place was helping out with the social media is during like the college game time tournaments, along with being a viceroy. And so I'm very good at graphic production in Photoshop. Video editing I can do my fair share of, I'm definitely way better at Photoshop. But video editing and Photoshop are probably my main two things.

And that's basically, and then social media, like I post literally all day every day. Like I'm always finding new stuff. And then I did a lot of research. I can spirity theories today. in preparation for this so I actually did make you a graphic as well Oh Should I show you right now?

I like the initiative It is who should Logan Paul fight next I don't really know if it fits in But it was the first thing I thought of this morning Okay I can tell Billy's a little bit jealous Because he's like this fucker stole my idea for the blog All right

Who should Logan Paul fight next Alex Jones Mason Ramsey Betty White little Sasquatch I would love to see Alex Jones in the ring, to be honest with you. I think that he needs to fight somebody at some point. He's got to put his money where his mouth is. And Logan Paul's probably equally as crazy as him. Maybe not equally, but he's up there in the crazy realm. I'd actually like to see little sass fight Betty White. Yeah. Betty would kick his ass. I think she probably would. I think

little sass is, he's far too polite to ever strike a 99-year-old. That's his biggest weakness. I've got a question. Uh-huh. How many pennies would fit in this room? Good question. Damn. Okay. I'm going to, can I use, do I have to use the, okay. I'll do American parrot, paying. Yeah, not the shoes.

I think I'm going to do, I don't know, do you have an answer. Can I ask that first? I'm waiting to hear yours. All right. I'm going to go with six billion. That seems like a lot of pennies. That is a lot of pennies, but it's also not the smallest room. yeah okay that was supposed to to test your problem solving skills uh-huh and well ideally you may have

asked a question like will the room have the furniture in it or do we take that out yeah i thought of that right after i answered i was like okay should i have the furniture in there um i might no it's okay it's okay it's okay how many pennies worth of furniture do you think is in that room oh that's a good idea are we including like the monitors and everything or just like wooden mounts and stuff like that listen this is your problem solving all right uh i'm going to to exclude the monitors because monitors aren't furniture and the microphones and all the computers so i'm going to go with there's a chair folding chair a whiteboard a table three other chairs over here i'm going to go with um hmm probably like 70 000 pennies worth

man no no i'm actually going to bump that down to about i'm going to go with 58 000 pennies worth no that's a lot You're talking yourself at a lot of answers. Yeah, I am. Basically just pick. You're throwing math at me and I got away with college without taking a math class. You just got to channel Skip Bayless and just pick something and stick with it and you're the most correct person on Earth. That's also really, yeah.

It's never talked off it. Tell me something about your conspiracy beliefs. What's one thing that you believe in that maybe everybody else would say that you're crazy for, but you adamantly wholeheartedly believe in this thing. Before that aliens were confirmed, I was a huge alien guy. I knew they were really. like they had to be and then the one thing uh it's been on like other podcasts and stuff with like aliens living underwater i think that the ocean is so massive that it has to be there um and then i wrote down like a couple others and one of them was like greta thernberg being a time traveler

um i had heard about this one beforehand on reddit and stuff it's that so in like 1898 there was this picture there was a picture at the university of washington so it was confirmed to be real it was not doctored at all it's a shockingly similar little girl girl. And Greta Thurneberg was like that Danish girl or whatever who got like, who did some stuff in nature. I don't even really remember. But it's good. People were saying that she's like a time trailer from 1898. Who's a Messiah to come and tell us about, uh, about climate change and how we really need to stop. I thought I remembered something along these lines, but Liam Neeson and Fidel Castro are the same person. They look exactly the same. And also Alec Baldwin looks like Millard Fillmore.

Look up the last person who got killed in World War I Last person's shot in World War I Shot How do they even track that? Yeah What an all-time sucker? Wait until you see who it looks like Like you made it until the end of the most deadly war

In the history of the world Like the war to end all wars And at the very last minute you're like gosh shit All right, okay I'm looking at the Oh my God, it's Billy Holy fuck Oh my God Billy football died

you were the last dude shot in World War I? I thought it was a good time to start a new life and fake a death but I didn't die throughout the whole world so it was like my last second to get killed so I can like start again. Billy, is that like your great great-grandfather or something? No, I'm a werewolf.

Henry Gunther from Baltimore, Maryland died in France November 11th, 1918 at the age of 23. He was a sergeant. Damn. Well, he's post- mostly restored to sergeant he got demoted two seconds like two days before the end of the war and he was

trying to get his rank back so he charged the german a machine gun position and the germans were yelling at him stop the war's over and he just kept going so they had to kill him oh my that sounds like something you do actually this guy's the mr irrelevant of world war one um do you have any questions for us um any questions how do you feel about who leo jones i'm upset about it but uh better than i'm glad i knew it was coming uh-huh well i feel yeah everyone knew it was coming but second round pick like that kind of okay we're not paying a salary okay that's a good way to look at it got it off the books big t's rooting for uh rooting for the profit and loss sheet and uh i'm rooting to be able to sign a rookie class and field the rest of a football team and i think uh the other one

would be for Billy when can we Oklahoma when you get back sure I'll just write right right out in front yeah all right I'm cool with that we're yeah that's what we're gonna do I'll bring cleats make Billy submit all of the interns see how fast it takes him to get through the whole list all right well thank you guys for having me really appreciate it I'll show you go send somebody else yeah I think Madeline might be out there yeah she's next okay cool all right thanks guys all right it looks like I asked Madeline to come on at 510 let's see oh here she is you ready yeah welcome have a seat uh sure yeah is it madeline or madeline madeline madeline madeline is that what you go by you go by madeline mattie i really go by madeline mostly okay so we got

billy up here we got coley hi nice to meet you guys hello so um she she came literally sprinting over to my desk i love this show so much i like the passion i do that's good um so we're going to ask you a few questions see if you have any questions for us going into this first of all you know the topic of today's show i did i have a whole page of that's all right wow okay what is um what's your biggest takeaway from the liflogged facebook conspiracy it's true it's okay so um the coli's tweet that started the blog i was like oh i don't know like it might be a coincidence and then i literally um i found a vice article about it um it's it's crazy so apparently Talk with the mic, Madeline.

Oh, my good here. No, I just wanted to say that somebody besides Billy for the person. So the guy, Gage, who started LifeLog, like, that was his baby at DARPA, he doesn't even fucking use Facebook. So he's like, he doesn't trust Facebook, which leads me to believe that he knows what's going on with it. So I think it's totally true. Okay. And they have no explanation for why they canceled. just that it was the change in priorities, which doesn't make sense, which the change in priorities

is Facebook. Yes. Okay. I did not know that about the guy that started it. That's a great bit of research. Tell us a little bit about yourself, like where are you from, what you're good at and what you want to do for this podcast. Okay.

So I know that you're a farter. You farted on the air several times. Yeah. On the act. I did fart on the air. So I'm Madeline. I'm from Cleveland originally. So I'm a big Browns girl, big Indians girl.

I went to Miami of Ohio for college. I just graduated from there. I was a vice roy there for basketball and chicks. So I'm doing social now for chicks and then hopefully token and then hopefully a little bit of macrodosing. Who's your favorite chick? Like in the office? Yeah, on the podcast. Are you Rio or are you Franston?

I'm both. You got to pick one. No, I can't. It's my job to beat both. I'm a big Erica girl. She's my boss. All right. Yeah, you're, I mean, this is, this is very smart.

Yeah, no, I have no, I have no rank in order. I love them all equally. Okay. Yeah. No, totally. But Erica is like, is my boss. It's very smart not to publicly trash your boss. Something that other people on this podcast could learn a thing or two, especially

when they're dealing with Erica. Kola, you have any questions for it? What do you hope the Cleveland baseball team? name. Oh my god. Um, like right off the top of my head, the spiders, because they used to be the spiders, it's the easy option. I don't think they're going to come up with a good name. Knowing, knowing the Indians organization and knowing the shit that they've done in the past five to ten years as an organization, I can only imagine it's going to be a shitty name. Um, I think the spiders is their best bet just because it like goes back to history. I think it's

be something dumb. Like, even, even though the spiders are like statistics are the worst baseball team of all time, you're okay, bring that back. I mean, we're not doing too well right now either, so I can't really put a lot on there. But, I mean, Frankie Lindor is not doing great with the Mets, so that gives me a little bit of joy. But, like, I miss him. I miss him so much. But I don't think they're going to have a good name. I don't have a lot of trust in the faith or into that organization.

But I don't think it's going to be good. What's one conspiracy theory that you actually believe is true, that everybody thinks that you're crazy for? Oh. Okay. Well, it's not technically like a conspiracy theory, but I think, I think Mormonism is like a huge, huge cult. And it's not like, it needs to be taken more seriously as a cult rather than a religion. Am I going to get like shit posted for that? No, no.

We do have a actually, I'd say 60% of our listeners are Mormons. Are you serious? They're good sports. I'm so sorry. I just, I just think. Big T was raised in the church of Latter-day Saints. No, I thought you were like, like just really Christian. Yeah, I'm not a Mormon.

Oh, okay. You're okay. Yeah, no. I was raised Catholic. I was to Catholic school for 13 years. So I know a lot about, like, religion. And I, like, took a doomsday cult class in college. Dunstay cults are one of my favorite things to discuss. But I think Mormonism should be more taken seriously as a cult. So that's something I value into. I love talking about women people. Okay. And as far as your, like, technical skills go, what do you do? I do a lot of social. So Facebook, Instagram, or not Facebook, sorry, thinking about the topic. Instagram, Twitter, TikTok is what we're getting into right now. TikTok for checks. That's for a lot. I was a journalism major in college, so I think I can write.

Okay. I've got one more. What was the last gift you gave someone? I gave my boyfriend a Barstool Outdoors hoodie for his birthday. How would you get away with murdering someone? Oh, I have a plan for that. Got to have a plan. Yeah.

Yeah, there's a golf course by my house. I'm not going to say which one, not to out myself. But I would kill someone however I deemed fit in that moment, depending on who it is and what they did to me. And then I would take them and put cinder blocks on their feet and put them in the pond in the golf course. Okay. I like that you have a plan.

You didn't even hesitate on that one. I was going to say that she did way better than the first kid, but now I'm terrified. Big T, you should love this because now if anybody, adjacent to this show dies of a murder. That's probably, well, yeah, we have a new suspect Numero uno. Yeah, she might need her. She'll be your fall guy for when you inevitably kill somebody.

What's, how far would you go for this show? So far. Would you go to jail for, like, someone? I would cover up Big T's murder. I would cover a Big T's murder. I don't think I'd come off as a huge suspect. Like, I think, I think, I think she's really thought through this. I think about it. I'm really getting holding grudges. So who's your longest held grudge against?

A kid, I went to grade school. with in sixth grade he cheated off me on a Spanish test and I still hold that to the day because I got in trouble for it. So fuck that kid. What's his name? He's not listening. Don't worry about it. Danny.

Danny? Is Danny also a Mormon? No, he's Catholic. Okay. That's a lot. Okay. Danny, you fucking idiot. You blew it.

He cheated off me in Spanish class and my teacher was a scary bitch. And so she like got really mad at me. And I was like, I swear to God, I didn't do anything. And I was like a big, I still am a big rule follower. Like, don't go against the grind or like the like status quo. So I was very nervous. But I mean, and fuck that kid. Yeah, fuck them.

So in addition to doing like TikTok and Twitter and whatever other social that we might need on the show, what else do you think you could bring to this podcast? I think it could be Billy's boss. Okay. Wow. All right. Yeah. No, I like, I like your thought process.

here. So what would that entail? I have a couple things. I have a couple things that I need Billy to help me with. Okay. And I know I'm just an intern, so you can turn this down, Billy. Billy doesn't even work here right now. So you're one step above him. I don't even get paid. So, Billy, I know you have chickens. I would like you to bring me a dozen eggs every Monday morning. You want, I'm moving away from the chickens. So we're going to have to. And the chickens with you. Yeah. You can't freaking Mike Bloomberg outlawed poultry.

Classic limb. Yeah. You're abandoning your pets? You're no different than Carolla DeVille. Are you going to bring Whitey? Yes, I'm going to bring my dog. I'm going to bring my hedgehog, which is also illegal under those same stipulation. Yeah, what the fuck?

So why can't you bring chickens for my, like, egg purpose? Because the chickens have a good home here where I'm currently, and but they will not, I don't raise my chickens in the city. They can't be city chickens. Okay. So I won't know the difference if you just bring me a dozen eggs from Peter Joe's either, but I would, I prefer them from your own chickens. I feel like there's like a lot of love and sentiment in that. I would also like you to teach me when an NFT is. Okay. You went to Williams. You're a smart kid. I feel like you can do that. Just graduate. Congrats. My brother's going there in the fall. Really? Yeah, to play baseball. That's awesome. Yeah. I would also like you

This is kind of hand in hand But I would like you to have me put on 10 pounds of lean muscle Throughout the summer And also I want you to teach me how to run a spider 2 wide banana Okay That's all I have to Okay, that's good No, I like the idea of you being Billy's boss

I think that that could be a good dynamic Billy needs, Billy's a great person He's a solid addition to this podcast We love him on it But we also want to make sure he's got guardrails in place We want to set him up for success when it comes back. Billy, I promise I'm not that, I'm not that strict of a boss. I've never been a boss before. Me. Okay, so we can be like each other's bosses. Okay, I like that. All right. Do you

have any questions for us? What do you guys think about the life log thing? I guess you'll have brought this in the episode. Yeah, you can listen, you can download, subscribe, unsubscribe, resubscribe. I think that Facebook is absolutely 100% involved with the United States government. Like they're, they control a lot of that channels, whether directly or indirectly, as I will prove on today's show, which is why I have not logged on to Facebook or post anything there in probably like seven years. Okay, so I have a question about that, though. So after researching this, so the whole thing is that LifeLog ended the day Facebook started.

But so did the government seek out Mark Zuckerberg to start Facebook? I actually have what, how that happened. Okay. That how LifeLog and Mark Zuckerberg connect. Yes. Okay. So, yeah, because that's what I was confused about because I watched a interview with Mark and then I forget the guy's name, but he started Westmatch, the one for Wesleyan College. I'm just confused on how they went from LifeLog and then, like, started Facebook because Facebook started as like the dating matchmaking service.

But I feel like it's the same, like, idea, like you're giving them your data. Yeah. Should we get into it? You can discuss it right now. What do you think? This should probably go at the end of the podcast, right? Yeah. So you've already covered this, Billy.

So why don't you say it again? So basically Peter Thiel had multiple government contracts with DARPA through another company that now, sorry, I don't have it up right now. Palantir? Palantir, exactly. And then there was many software, you know, social media apps and. software that was coming up that could be used as a front instead of this life log so that would do the same thing right so you just shopped uh and most of them were looking for venture capital money peter thiel came in and invested in it in order to sort of secure and swerve it's basically

none of these uh softwares like my space facebook would be profitable without these large government contracts. So when you're looking at IPOs, like unless they like, you know, most companies don't go public until they have definite revenue streams. So like, for example, Tesla makes most of their money not off cars, but off of selling their environmental, um, tokens, which they get from the government to other car companies that still have fuel emissions. So it's like, it's a whole back channel of ways to make a company profitable. So, so Facebook was like, Like, basically, if this is true, deemed profitable because they came from the government? Yeah, basically, it was not only was it, you know, because think about it, besides ad revenue, there was not much profit with it, but if it, once you find a secondary source of income, so huge government contracts, then it becomes profit.

Okay, then can I add one more thing and then I'll get out of here? Yes. So when Mark Zuckerberg, like, goes on trial, like, with in front of, what was the Congress? Yeah. So is he just, is that acting? no no that's real that's you know he's basically like polanter basically back channeled all facebook's algorithms in order to give them to Cambridge Analytica and they did what they did with it yeah I think that Mark Zuckerberg is just he's a patsy for the situation he's like the

perfect dude that they could have found he's basically half robot so you can tell you can program him to say whatever you want him to say and then the people that actually run the company underneath him, they're more in tune with like all the back channels that's going on, all the money that's coming in, where they're sending the data, all the different shady stuff that they're up to them. So that's why he like didn't know anything. They probably shield him from a lot of that stuff. Right. I feel like at this point he's like a figure. He's like Queen Elizabeth. Yeah. They're like, just go do stand up paddling with your girlfriend six times a week. And then, you know, once every three months, we're going to call you in front of

Congress. Yeah. They freeze for you. Yeah. Are you guys frozen? Can you hear us? All right. Can you hear us at all? Not Billy Strosman, but very funny. At least his nose is straightforward this time. And not to the side. All right, Madeline, thank you for stopping by. Thank you for having me. We'll let you know.

Yeah, let me know. Anything else from us? No, I got nothing. Okay. Okay. Thanks, guys. Great to meet you. Can you grab, is it Sahar?

Sahar. Can you grab Sahar for us? I can grab Sahar. Thank you guys. All right, we have Zahar in here. Is that, did I pronounce your name quickly? Yeah, Sahar. Welcome.

You are working also on chicks. Yeah. Who's your favorite chick? Who's my favorite chick? Yeah, that you work with here. Between Fran and Ria. Because there's only two chicks in the office. No, I mean, it's on the...

I've actually, I haven't met them yet, so... Oh, you haven't? No, I haven't met them. Are they being big-time divas on you? No. They work mostly with just chicks in the office, and the chicks are the tougher brand. Okay, gotcha.

Yeah. Because Madeline told us who her favorite one was. Oh, yeah? Yeah. What she said? I can't tell you that. You have to tell us who your favorite chick is first, yeah? I can't tell.

I mean, I like Ria style, so maybe I'll say Ria. Okay. You didn't say Erica. What? You didn't say Erica. Erica? Yeah. The boss, CEO.

Yeah. So tell us a little bit about where you're from, what you do. I'm from Palm Beach, Florida. I go to school in Miami. Right now I'm working with the Chicks brand, and I help with the Pichshare Program. Okay. And do you listen to the show? Yeah, I do listen to the show.

Who's your favorite person on the show? podcast. You. That's a smart answer, but I don't think that it's true. You don't think it's true. Why? I don't know. I think that you're, well, you didn't say, Erica.

I have to be honest. I haven't listened to the show very much. Okay. But I've listened to a few episodes, yeah. You listen to the bottled water one. Yeah. And you had an interesting theory. Tell us about that theory.

Just about what you love about water. Oh, yeah. So the crazy thing about water is that it retains information. So if you talk to it, like positive things, then you say that, you say that, the water is going to fuel you, you're confident, you're lovable, you're funny, like, and you drink the water, the water remembers it and it basically transfers that to you. So there's been a study that they've done that with plants.

So if you talk really bad to plants, or you talk really bad to the water that you then give to the plants, the plant will not grow, it won't grow as fast as if you talk positively to a water. Huh. So do you talk to your water? Sometimes, yeah. before you drink it to absorb its energy. Billy looks skeptical.

Billy, what's on your mind? Would that give you like sort of a vegan complex to water? No. It's like harming it? What? No. That's like you do a veganism. Yeah, but like you're saying water has all these capabilities.

Are you anti-hydration? I'm not anti-hydration. I'm pro-hydration. So you talk to the water. It has feelings and abilities and yet you consume it. I didn't say it has feelings. I said it has memory. It retains it.

It retains memory, yeah. Does anything else retain memory, or is it just water? I mean, our brains. Our brains, but, like, no other, like, inanimate object retains memory. I assume any food that has water in it could also retain memory. Okay. What about, like... It's not like it's a functional being.

It's just they can have memory encoded into them. It's got, like, chemicals that you can digest that can become part of your body, so therefore it has like some of the same abilities that your body might have right i kind of like that what do you think big t um i'm reading up on the guy who came up with this it seems dubious at best i still like it yeah i don't care if it's true or not i like thinking that it's true i do there's a there's a great movie based on that concept it honestly could be placebo effect what's it i don't doubt that it could be placebo oh placebo i heard what you heard the first time too okay i'm not gonna repeat it i heard pussy poo yeah yeah i was like what effect is that

I'm going to yell at this water in my Gatorade bottle. And if it makes me angry, then that means it works. Okay. Do it, Billy. I'll put it on mute. No, no, don't know. What do you mean you're going to? Brasers.

Somebody screenshot that. Brazzers. Billy, you just go. Was that on purpose? You just dumped water all over your lap, Billy. You got a drinking problem. I didn't. All right.

So do you have any, um, any takes about today? topic because I think I let you know what we're going to be discussing today, right? Yeah. So what do you think about the whole DARPA Facebook thing? Honestly, my perspective on it is that ignorance is bliss. So it doesn't affect me that much and I wouldn't care because I'm not doing so much that's very dangerous and I wouldn't be the target and it's only going to get worse or something I can do about it.

That's what they want you to think. Okay. I'm open to discussion about it, but as far as I'm concerned, and it's kind of helpful. I mean, if they're giving us targeted ads and specialized ads and they want to know or they know what we want to buy, it's all just marketing and business makes sense. Okay, so you're just like, I'm powerless to stop it.

So I might as well, I might as well get some really sick, like, I don't know, biodegradable deodorant ads that show up on my Instagram before. Yeah. Okay. All right. I appreciate that attitude where it's just like, let's just go with it. it yeah i mean it's only going to go worse yeah how is it going to get worse i just think it's already

getting worse like even with tic-tok like the algorithm and there's like talk about all the ticot dance trends like they're tracking every move that we have or our body moves and functions stuff like that i just going to get worse okay and so how would you be able to help us what what are some ideas that you have for this show like how could you um use your skill set to like whether it be social or whatever Oh, well, I'd love to do the social, and I would love to do pod topics, bring in topics, notes, also merchandising, because I design a lot, and that would be something that would be interested in. Okay, as far as merchandising goes, what are you thinking? Like, shirts, hats. Do you have any specific ideas in mine? Just basically if LSD was a shirt. Okay.

I really want to design something sick. All right. I think it would be good for macrodose. I like it. If you were to kill somebody, how would you get away with murder? If you had to kill Big Tea before he left this room. He would never kill Big Tea. But if you had to, it's either your life or his. How did I get away with that?

Yeah. He got caught like strangling orphans. I don't think that's brown for murder. He'll kill again if you don't take him out right this very second. And one of those kids is going to figure out the cure to cancer. Wow, this is real tough. Yeah. How would you murder Big Tea?

That's actually a good episode. Mark this for it. We have the cure to cancer, by the way. Okay. It's a simple question. How would you murder Big Tea? I'll just talk to the water and give it to me. Yeah, I like that.

Damn. Poison the water with feelings. Yeah. All right, I've got, I've got one more for you. All right. Design a spice rack for the blind. Design a spice rack. How's that possible?

There's no right answer. Big T definitely went on the website. He just could be like good interview questions. Oh, yeah. For sure. that was that was the whole thank you for explaining the bit pf t it would probably be like a wall with braille they would have to have braille okay um not too much designing with it it would be braille on fucking containers okay okay that works

billy do you have any questions for uh did you play sports in high school no i i was very much into more of like the art department fashion world at my school cool I play kickball when I was in sixth grade I was on the worst team that's cool love it do you have any last questions for us no I have a question

okay all right what are some of the other topic did you have other topics for the podcast um no I was just what I was gonna expand upon the Facebook thing okay do you have anything any hot takes about that well what do you guys think about it well we covered it on

on the episode that we haven't recorded yet but we think there's definitely something to it like the government's absolutely involved in Facebook oh for sure that's given I never post on Facebook I deactivate my Facebook account which is surprisingly hard to do I think that's on purpose yeah you can't you can't no not on your phone you have to go into your

like on the webpage on the computer I guess how hard it is to do your Instagram account that sucks yeah what do you think about it about the whole DARPA thing oh it's for sure just a Facebook rewritten the liflog thing it's so obvious but it's so crazy to me

how they even called it life log to begin with and expected people to join that given that it's such a high it was created at such a high level what do they think like people were going to do join something called life log like it clearly said it plain out

and how these civil libertarians didn't come out when Facebook was made. But it's the same thing. They disguised it very well. They did. It's easier if it's like a civilian thing where you're giving it to them for free, as opposed to the government telling you. Okay. Cool.

Well, thank you. Sahar? Yes. Sahar. Sahar. Okay. It was lovely to meet you. Good luck with everything.

Thank you guys. We will be back in touch and let you know what direction we're going with. We've got to do a little powwow here at the end of the episode and let you know. Thank you. Thank you. So Tyler Miller. Tyler, where are you from? Tell us a little bit about yourself.

Just outside Worcester, town called Luxbridge. So it's like a really small town of Rhode Island border. Uh-huh. I like the fact already that you've got a better New England accent than Coley does. I don't think that's true. But yeah, I went to Penn State, graduated last year. I thought this was going to record in the other room. So I walked in there and Brandon gave me a look.

Definitely realized it's in the wrong room. So I'm happy I'm in this one now. Did he yell at you? No, I think he was in the middle of an interview, but he gave me a look. I'm like, I'm definitely not in the right spot. He would have yelled at you if there wasn't somebody else on the other end of there. Yeah, I'm waiting. We'll see what happens when we got out of the room, but like, that was an exit.

Yeah, it's okay. Brandon hates everybody, so don't worry about it. We're here to hear. So we got, we got Billy and Big Teeth. You got some questions for you, but first I wanted to know, what, did you do any research into the DARPA Facebook thing? Yeah, I read Coley's blog, too, and I'm on his side because like, it makes everything so much easier all these kids man everything is so much easier and by the fact that like if you have a phone or like an Alexa at your house that's going to listen to you no matter what because if

you say hey Siri or hey Alexa it just conveniently turns on and like why if you say those words it's not going to pick up on anything else like it just waiting to hear Siri or Alexa to actually like oh I'm listening it's listening the whole time so it's like passive listening but it's always on okay so you think that you think that the DARPA program life log just turned into Facebook afterwards. Yeah, I mean, Zuckerberg is getting a lot of credit for this Facebook stuff. I think you just stole a blueprint. Yeah. I can appreciate that. Philly, you just rolled your eyes. What's up? It's funny because we had this debate about Alexa at the end of the show. I forget, was it. We've done a couple times. There was the artificial intelligence one. The artificial intelligence.

And I had to take like, yeah, man, we're so entrenched. It's like, if you're avoiding it, you're just going to have ruining your life. Yeah, there's no avoiding it. Like, kids, when they're like two years, years old before they're like talk have an iPad so they're only going to be it's like uh you're going to evolve into that type of life from that yeah bill i forgot that your take on it was essentially identical to saharis which is just like let happen let let the technology wash over you are you are you in the mode of like if it's fight or flight are you just like going along for the ride right now are you are you actively taking measures to reduce your technological footprint there's nothing we can do like you just have to like rock with it and

roll with it because we know about it, but we're not going to do anything about it, really. We're just going to talk about it like this, and then we're just going to have to live with it. All right. So what's your background? What, like, what technical specialties do you do? What are you doing here at Barstall with summer? So I'm helping with a million dollars worth of game, social. And I got hired for production, like video production, but I'm doing like a lot more social than like

filming and all that stuff. So I'm just a good, like, video editor. You know what to make merchandise. And I don't know. I'm just up to date with most bars and stuff. Okay. Eric Conner, are you getting anything? Yeah, what's the color of money?

Got to be green. Pretty limited world view there. I'm not a big coin. Well, I mean, money's different colors in different countries. The ideal candidate might have said it depends on the country. But that's okay. I mean, money is green here in this country. What about gold?

Well, it depends if you view that as good. Well, a candidate might have said that as well. But, I mean, it is green. That's, that's, that's technically a correct answer. Okay. Tyler, how would you go about murdering somebody? If you had to kill Big T, right where he sat at this moment, how would you go about it? How would you go about getting away with it?

Probably the blueprint's breaking bad, except you can't do it in a bathtub. Like, they gave you a film, like an episode right out, like season one, it's not like you had to watch it forever. It's like episode two. They show you how to get away with it, but they show you the key step you had to buy the top. So you probably have to do that. get a plastic tub, but then you'd have to make your own acid. Yeah, that's all this body in it. Yeah, it'd have to be a pretty big tub.

He's a, yeah, large man. Yeah, I didn't get that far yet, but I have a good start and we can work out the king. Okay. What was your niche interest that you had before you, like, went to middle school and everyone else bullied it out of you? probably me and my friend used to draw like like comic strips that you'd fold up a piece of paper like eight times you can unfold it and be like a book and uh reading was for nerds so i stopped doing that but i eventually kind of got back into it doing like cartooning and stuff like that as i got old it but it sounds so much cooler when you're like cartooning for like sports or something like that than drawing random books with your friend in like third fourth grade did you have any characters that you invented no we just did a knockoff of, like, South Park. Then we go to, like, North Street. Like, we're not a creative bunch.

It got there eventually. Yeah. But no publications sold, it's probably in a dumps day somewhere. Okay. So North Street, were they also named, like, Stan, Kyle, Eric and Kinney? It's probably, like, Dan, like, as close as we could get it. I don't remember 100%, but that's just one of the first things that came to mind. I kind of like that, though, a mass whole version of South Park is pretty funny.

Yeah, it probably wasn't. It was probably funny in our heads, but if someone ever read it, they'd probably be a little a little terrified i guess uh i guess i'm good do you guys have more questions i think that's it billy all set we're good cool all right well thank you tyler yeah appreciate it take care and uh we're going to let you know tomorrow who we're going to bring on here as as the macro dosing intern i'm good appreciate man thank you see you all right well i i do like his voice um i think he'd be really helpful for the podcast like did have him like it sounds like he's got a video production thing that he wants to get going yeah like i think he'd be you know if we like

to help avery the production stuff and he can draw too so you can probably design us stuff if you know triggs is okay so i i think i like madeline the most still yeah from the interviews i She, I like, I like her energy, like for this show. Angie said she was like, by far the most excited to do it, too. Yes, by far. Because she, like, listens to every show. She'd be great on the podcast. Well, she'd be good, like, off the side, occasionally on the podcast.

And I think that she's also got a design background. Yeah. So. And she said that she did video editing, too. Oh, perfect. Yeah. So I, my vote is for her. I agree.

You agree? Billy? I'm down. with her you just don't you just don't like the fact that she out with you no i don't care about that i think would be a great dynamic for the show but um yeah so wrong agreement okay yeah i think i think we'll ask madeline if she wants to do it all right welcome welcome to the pod madeline what if she told us no tentatively what if she said no she's like i don't think i can manage billy he's way tougher to communicate with in person than i thought that would actually be a sick prank if you were

intern and you were like pft i love this show i really want to do this come in kill the interview and then be like no yeah it would be i would respect it it would make us honestly like demand that you work on like if any of these interns if we selected them and they'd outfit us and they said no thank you i'd be like that's the person that needs to be on the show yeah treat us like mud will stick to you or treatise like dirt will stick to you like mud