Macrodosing: Arian Foster and PFT Commenter - Flat Earth

Episode Date: March 2, 2021

1:00 Arian correctly guesses Big T’s underwear color again 3:30 Coley and the crew debate blimps 5:50 Blimps vs. hot air balloons 9:30 PFT has his hands on some psilocybin capsules, Arian describes his experience doing mushrooms 14:40 PFT has done mushrooms at a Washington Capitals game and in an art museum in Amsterdam 16:35 The necessary conditions to do mushrooms 18:30 Billy wants to microdose with PFT, but also might be a cop 23:00 UFO sighting by American Airlines flight 25:00 Arian calls bullshit on aliens only landing in places where there are no people 27:00 Billy thinks cavemen killed the aliens 33:00 10% of Americans believe the Earth is flat 37:30 Flight patterns relating to the curvature of the Earth 39:00 How does gravity work and the theory of relativity 46:30 What exactly do flat Earthers believe? 57:00 the unknown and the flat earth 59:00 the spherical nature of greater universe 1:03:00 NASA project paper clip 1:08:00 it’s not a flat world is Kyrie’s world 1:14:00 creationism 1:21:00 NASA and Big Moon 1:24:28 Flat Earther dies in the pursuit of clout 1:28:32 Flat earth arguments 1:29:00 is the sun cold? 1:32:00 how do the seasons work? 1:34:45 Obama simulator 1:37:00 Disney Easter eggs 1:38:00 To give the flat earthers credit 1:44:20 NASA pulls the plug on Arian Foster 1:46:00 The guys try to finish the show but get sidetracked!You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/macrodosing

Hey, macro dosing listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Welcome back to another episode of macro-dosing. It's going to be a good one. We're going to get it to Flat Earth. Make sure that you like, you subscribe on iTunes, leave us a five-star rating. Billy will read every single five-star rating on iTunes. That's a promise to you guys.

And subscribe on YouTube. Tell you what, I'm going to give you, I'm going to make it super easy. I'm going to give you 10 seconds right now to subscribe. On whatever medium you're using, 10 seconds to subscribe starting now. Hank, get Hank out of here. Last week, we had a lot of fun talking about Alex Jones. I think that we kind of covered a lot of ground last week, and it was more of like a walk through his life, and it was an interesting place to jump off on. I think that the direction that we're going to go with this one, and maybe for future podcasts, is to, like, take one topic and really do a deep dive, like a focus on it.

And in this case, Arian Foster suggested that we do a deep dive on the flat earth, as deep as you can get. into the flat earth. So he's going to be kind of leading the way on this one, walking us through all the theories and kind of the history of flat-earthing. We're going to get into it. We're going to get some weird stuff. This week, obviously we have Arian here. We got me, PFT, we got Avery running the production aspect. We have Big T back again. Big T, what color underwear? Wait, Aaron, guess what color underwear Big T's wearing today? All right, let me see Got on it

Okay I'm gonna go with blue You son of a bitch Stand up You so I'm fucking killing I'm killing this shit Show the camera Big T

Baby Blue It's Baby Blue Unreal That's crazy All right I looked at all my boxers this morning And the orange ones were there clean And I was like

Well I can't do that two weeks I knew you wasn't going to do it two in a row No It's their Carolina Blue though Is it something about his face like the way that he looks the way that he smiles area and how are you so good at this well i figured you know when you when you think about underwear you know nobody really everybody kind of has a style right everybody got a style and i figure for him he's probably he's right not too eccentric with

the that's true that's true and so and so and so you go with the the bland colors the blues the blacks that i hope you don't do the whites brother no white no white like maybe a dark green if you're feeling you know, froggy, but the Tennessee Orange was, that's his, I'm feeling it today. He's going to take a nice lady out for a steak or something, and he's been to show that Tennessee pride. You knew he wasn't going to go double orange. He wasn't going to wear that again this week.

Yeah, it literally entered my mind this morning as I was looking at underwear to put on. That's nice that you're thinking about Aryan when you're getting dressed. Yeah, so he's two for two. Love it. I can't believe that. I was like, we're going to have to do it every week now. If this guy says blue.

All right. Well, we also, we got Billy here again. We got Serious Billy. That was a big, a big takeaway from last week. People liked Sirius Billy. I liked Sirius Billy. You're smart sometimes. No, I'm serious. I want to nurture this side of you, Billy. This is a great medium of conversation, and I'm really excited to be a part of this. All right. Well, thank you for being here. We also have a special guest this week. You know him as Coley Mick. He is the editor-in-chief, the EIC. You've heard him on various other podcasts in the past, including mixtape. And Coley feel, he felt like he was a natural fit for this show because he does most of the conspiracy writing here at Barstool. And he's just really into long, rambling conversations about crazy shit. So I felt like we should reach out to him and we'll have him on as much as he would like to be on the show. But he's going to make his debut, his macrodosing debut this week. So, Coley, it's good to have you. I'm thrilled to be here.

but I it's very strange how much you've attached to this blimp thing like you've almost taken it from me it's become your blimp thing I wasn't trying to do that I was trying to put a spotlight on your blimp takes because I feel like I haven't heard it it's such a mind-blowing statistic how few blimps there are on the world we should be discussing that every day it should be like a main topic of conversation and I brought it up on the last show and arian guest would you guess like nine blimps right and um yeah I guess nine And there are how many, Coley? This is really what infuriates me the most about it. Like, if you Google how many blimps there are in Google, like you Google anything, Google just gives you the answer in that like rectangle box. But for blimps, this is what Google tells you, they got the MetLife Snoopy Blimp, smiling right in your fucking face.

The general consensus is that there are between 20 and 25. blimps my biggest problem with that i i would wager all of us here today could count to 25 i don't want to step out on too many ledges too early but i think most of us can count to 25 that's not a high enough number to not have an exact number of blimp yeah how do you lose a blimp hindenberg like that was the only lost blimp i know of good point they're constantly being deconstructed and scrapped some of them depending on advertising i would love to buy a blimp like a blimp that gets put out to stud essentially it's like hey we're going to break this down and sell for parts if anybody out there is selling a blimp let me know because i'm down but the the people at good year got mad and

they said that it was fake news i think that they're trying to say that there are more blimps that are currently in commission than there actually are but coley would you like you know what man you know what man this is a hot take fuck blimps you've made a very very powerful enemy Aaron. They don't do anything. Skywriting is actually way more economic. But they cover golf tournaments, Aaron.

You got drones for that nowadays. They're inefficient. They're loud. Fuck blinks. Would you rather a blimp or a hot air balloon? Hot air balloon? No question. That's insane. Do they have any fucking, do they have any blimp conventions?

No. Fiestas? No. I grew up at Albuquerque New Mexico. There's a, there's a, there's a balloon fiesta where it's the biggest balloon fiesta in the world, a hot air balloons, and you go and you eat burritos and drink hot chocolate all in the morning. You see like hundreds and hundreds and maybe even a thousand blimps go in the air. Air balloons. Air balloons. Yeah. I feel like you're only allowed to have one blimp within probably per state up in the air at a time. I've never seen dueling blimps, which doesn't make a lot of sense to me because you can you can drive a blimp. You can steer a blimp, right?

but you can't steer a hot air balloon it just goes wherever the wind takes you like Hancock they get stronger when they're away from each other yeah another another interesting number how many aircraft carriers do you think the u.s. has oh it can't be that many right they're huge active or total active because active i know it's really small it's like four yeah aircraft carry you mean like current in the military that is able to be deployed because Because we've got one right off the coast here in the Hudson River. That doesn't count. That doesn't count.

That's sunk in the mud. The one that Nick Cage jumped off of in National Treasure? Intrepid. Yeah. No, I think Big T's actually completely wrong. I think there's like a shit ton of them. No. No.

They're too big. There's three last time I checked. That makes sense. And then think about how many, and then another one, that makes sense. But think about this, how many battleships do you think are actively? I don't even know what the different. Maybe that's what I was thinking about. So there are...

Seven. I think there's nine battleships. I'm fucking good at this. Yeah. So, you know, but I don't think there's any conclusive number of how many deep water submarines there are. Yeah. Yeah, those are secret. They're just everywhere.

Basically, aircraft carriers, battleships are obsolete. nuclear subs, like, way more effective. How do you pronounce that word again? Obsolete? No, the other one. Nuclear sub? Nuclear. Nuclear.

Nuclear. No, it's nuclear. He's right. I don't know. Also, can I say something real quick? Remember how Billy in the first episode said, mentioned something at the end about data mine. Was that in the episode or were we talking about that after?

Anyway, Billy, like, wants to do an episode on data mining and things like that. and I looked over to his computer screen, and he's about it because he uses Duck, Duck, Duck, Go. Okay. Oh, I was using Duck, Duck, Go to see if it gave a different answer about the blimps. And Google could be hiding. Because they messed around with the algorithms sometimes. Right, right. Actually, to be honest, to do a lot of the research for this show in the past show, I had to use Duck, Duck, Go, because you couldn't find a lot of it.

A little flashback to last week's episode. One thing that Alex Jones was right about, I remember back in 2008, 2009, when I was listened to him on the radio, he was like you need to use a private search engine because Google is going to take all your shit and store it forever and then they're going to just have they're going to be able to sell it to the highest bidder turns out he was right about that now the service that he was advocating for I think that they weren't really a company and you were just giving your information to a worse person than Google but again as you typically find with Alex Jones there's like a kernel of truth wrapped somewhere deep inside his batshit burrito So before we get into this week's news, I have announcement to make. I actually got my hands on some microdosable psilocybin capsules. So I don't know if I want to – I'm a little bit afraid to try them. But apparently they're like legit. They're grown by somebody who does this for a living.

And they've got like a clean lab they make it in. And you take one pill every like three. three days and you feel more energetic, more creative, allegedly. I don't know if this is true or not, but I have, I have the capsules right now. And Aryan, were you saying that you've done it before or you wanted to do it? I have microdose. Okay. And so would you recommend?

I think microdosing is the future of antidepressants and the future of mental health aid. because, well, I have a long-standing. Okay, so when I was younger, right, I was in a very good job. I used to do a lot of drugs. And one of the drugs I did was mushrooms. I did mushrooms when I was, like, 13 years old. And it was the most amazing experience I've ever had, especially as a kid, because I thought I was just being a rebel, just getting high.

But what it did, when I think it does, like, you're never going to meet somebody that does mushrooms, and they, come out of it and they're close-minded, right? And this is what I think it does. I think psilocybin, and this is like a little more spiritual than I tend to be, but there's just no other way I can explain it than to experience it. But it allowed me to view the earth. And this is what I tell people.

So like when you microdose or when you take shrooms, like just like we sit and y'all sit in the podcast studio and you feel like right now you're existing inside the earth, right? The earth is a stagnant thing and, well, it's moving. We'll get into that later, it's flatter of shit. but it's uh it's you're existing inside of the earth when you take mushrooms or psychedelics you feel like you're existing with it and it's like it's like a very real experience to where it's like the light that is vibration the sound that is vibration all that stuff combined it feels like you're in concordance with it and it's just a beautiful mixture of

vibrations that you're just you're just with and everything's just amazing and that's I feel like it's the, it's the key, man. We did it just got, didn't it just get approved for, right, medical test. I think it's still a schedule one. I think it's still a schedule one, but I think Oregon or Washington, it's now legal for recreational use. It's legal in Oregon, but it's been just passed for medical research purposes and what they found, right, for, you know, now they're giving it to lab rats. Now they can test and use it for research. But what they found is, and amongst a lot of, uh,

drug addicts who have neuropathways that cause them to seek out drugs it actually reconnects their neurons I'm probably doing a clumsy job of explaining it but it reconnects neuropathways that

have formerly been shut down there's probably a neuroscientist listening to this and being like he's explaining it terribly but or almost resets your brain in a way that we haven't fully grasped how it works but you know every i feel that you know drugs nowadays we said this last time about marijuana like marijuana is too strong yep but you know high doses of psilocybum have been known to cause you know

psychotic effects and we shouldn't we should also recognize that these are unstudied chemicals but in low doses i do like those uh the chances of those occurring are much lower but really i think with this stuff anecdotes matter right and there has never been in the history of mankind an overdose of psilocybin mushrooms right now or LSD and so to me that speaks for marijuana that speaks volumes about just that fact alone and we have we still have it a schedule one drug is insane so this dude named Carl Hart right he was just on the breakfast club and he's an advocate for recreational drug use And he says that we, like, demonize drugs in a way that, I mean,

there's a whole political reasons as to why I won't get into. But he's like, yo, you could be a casual heroin user. You could be a casual crack of smoke. He was like, but when he breaks down the reasons as to why, it's really brilliant. But it's something that we need to look into more. We demonize drug use and drug users. And I think it's a travesty. and I absolutely recommend microdosing, but, you know, do it at your own risk.

Yeah. Isn't he a Columbia professor? I think he is. And he talks about how he likes to relax after a long day of work with a little bit of an opium pipe. And it's actually very... It might have been Yale. Yes. It's Columbia.

Oh, what was it, Columbia? A psychology professor. Opium is not a Yale thing. Yeah. That's definitely. That's the upper west side. That's Columbia. Yeah.

Let's watch your nights. So I've taken mushrooms twice in my life. Once was at Washington Capitals game. It was at a playoff game. And my friend just gave it to me. And he was like, here, have some of this. And I was, I think I was too drunk to properly understand what I was feeling. All I knew is that I ended up peeing the bed.

And I woke up the next morning with like the worst hangover that I've ever had in my life. I don't know if that was from the mushroom. probably not probably from the like million labats that I drank but the second time was it was in Amsterdam a couple years ago was actually with our friend Tommy Aaron and it was him me and a lady friend of ours and Deezis and I don't know if like I can say this but I took I consumed some of the mushrooms when we went to an art museum had a great time just like staring at the paintings what you were saying earlier, Aaron, about like the, like, feeling like you were a part of everything around you. The colors were just, like, so different to me at the time. The colors were,

like, jumping off the canvas. It was, it was an awesome time. And then we ended up losing the lady friend that was there with us. And then we thought that we were getting into a taken type situation because she wandered backwards through the museum as everybody was going forwards. And after about 30 minutes, when you're in Amsterdam and you can't find the girl that you were there with, you start to think, like, am I going to have to. to take care. Am I going to have to, like, walk into a shady card game and stab somebody? I don't know. What is more fun on mushrooms in Amsterdam Art Museum or a Capitals game? Amsterdam Art Museum. Easy.

The color thing, you said really sounds pretty vivid. Yeah, the colors were, they were incredible. And the next day I woke up, I felt great. I didn't have any sort of a hangover at all from it. Now, mushrooms don't do hangovers. That was the booze, fan. Yeah, probably. Oh, so I will say this, though, for anybody thinking about doing it. make sure you're around positive people in a positive environment.

It's not like a party drug. Like you have taken it as a party drug and you had a good time. That's amazing. But a lot of people have bad trips because they're around like negative people or they're like somewhere they're not familiar with.

And it can cause you to go in your head a little more than you should if you're not careful about the environment that you set up around. So for me, it's like you're going to go out in nature. You want to go out in like in the middle, nowhere with some people that you try. trust some good people will have one babysitter or somebody who's experienced at least that

that can coach you through it and walk you through the steps and and make you understand because when you do it for the first time it's like yo fan what the fuck and you'll calm down just let it come just let it come and what you I had somebody like that my first time and it was amazing the way I always say it is like you're like if you were going on a trip like you were flying somewhere you wouldn't go without bags passport like you're going on a trip you need that guide you need that positive head space. You need those people around you. Those are all part of your trip. And then when you come back, I feel like the coming back part is hard your first time too. Like you really need someone to like reintroduce you back to the normal world almost. Yeah. I like the idea of having a guide,

like a tour guide for your trip, like take you to one particular place and be like if you look to your left, you'll see a real a real bitch in sunset. So check that out. Yeah. I think that's probably a good idea. So I do have the mushroom capsules. I haven't decided if I'm going to use them. If so, when I'm going to start using them? Like, I got to really plan the shit out because, like, if I take one on a Thursday morning, I'm recording part of my take later that day. It's going to be your best podcast you've ever been done.

Okay? Yeah, what's up, Bill? We can cut this, but you do it with me. I do it when I work out, and it's, no, I did it before I fought Jose Canseco. Avery, don't cut that. Yeah, we're not cutting that at all. No, but I do it every week, but we got to make sure, like, we don't want the people at home. Research your family if they have a history of bipolar, schizophrenia, or mental issues,

because some people, they, you know, don't realize this, but they take a bunch of mushrooms on a Saturday night when they're partying, and they end up slipping into a bad headspace when it should be used to get you into a positive headspace. They'll take, like, three grams, and they'll party, and they'll be at the party, and they'll freak out. Like, we were talking about positive people. Billy, there's no evidence that, Billy. I mean, I'm going to be honest. I know people who I've, like, gone to school with who have done.

It's, you got to be careful. It's not, you know, it's not, we can't be acting like these strong, like, medicines don't have negative side effects in some points. What is it? What is the negative side of me? Well, it sometimes brings to light, it's meant that, like, if you have a history. It's calling you a narc, man. But the thing is we can't, I mean, like,

Look, I'm trying to help from that was, hey, hey, do not do drugs around us, man. He is the police. I'm not the police. I literally microdose 0.3 grams once a week. Did you see how he interrupted? Excuse me. No, I was saying the first time you're down on this podcast. Yeah, I want to say the first time you do it, do with me will work out.

I'd like to do it. I take it in the morning. I work out. Now at the station, right. Yeah, he sounds like a cop. You're right. When you do it, do it with me. Let me test them before you do it.

Billy Popo. No, but it's great. I mean, honestly, it's helped me through a lot of mental blocks myself. I bet through all the confiscated paraphernalia you have. Yeah, so I don't know. It's something that I'm thinking about doing. I'll bet it will be a good time when I do choose to do. But I just got it.

And it's honestly like just kind of intimidating, having the bottle. And it's kind of calling to me. And it's like, you want to try this. but microdosing isn't something that like it's not going to take you out of your element like microdosing you'll be able to do you'll be able to do everything that you can do sober you'll be able to do with microdosin

you'll just it's like it's like the what is that shit the that I don't even know his name the white actor that you take the pill a lot of us. Oh limitless limitless okay so like it's just like that everything it just enhances everything enhances music and enhances touch sound smell

but you're just aware and you're just more heightened it's like a good adderall there's for study in studies have shown that untreatable depression it has great impacts on people who SSRIs don't work and i have anxiety we could do a whole other show on this but like the way that the health industry's approach mental health is totally like billy is simultaneously a cop and like a drug rep for mushrooms like he's trying to sell us which way are we going so that you can arrest us no no if you if you're remember last episode, Alex Jones had the belief that all cops was doing drugs. Yep, that's true.

Once a year. Billy. To check their strength. That's what, yeah, Billy, microdoses. I just don't want someone to be listening to this and take mushrooms, have terrible experience. Right. A good rule of thumb is, like, don't do or not do anything because Billy told you. This is all parody.

Yeah. I do like how Billy's wearing his tie-dye shirt that still got, like, the wrinkles. And he just got from the store. So he's like, I'm totally not a cop. still got the full marks in it how do you do fellow kids yeah you are the youngest guy in this room

so yeah it's something that we're going to be looking into very strongly on the show I'm not sure when or where I'm going to try it but I think I will try it and maybe under the guidance of tour guide Billy if he's here but Aaron you still do owe me and Big Cat a microdosing podcast I think we discussed that the very first time

you're on the show I am game brother let me know and I'm there that's what would actually trip me out that's what I'm worried about if I if big cat starts forgetting that it's be nice to billy week and he starts ripping into you on the show and I'm microdosing I'm like oh man this is putting me in a bad headspace yeah just like seeing you get you get attacked no but what but you know I just like to listen to music and lift and it gets me in the right headspace all right the endorphins are all hitting your brain the good stuff regenerative body and mind all right so that's that's the microdosing segment of macro dosing the podcast uh and And I think before we get into the flat earth stuff, let's talk about the crazy shit in the news this week. We need a name for this segment, too. So Billy thinks that it's not that crazy.

I personally do think that any time that you see an alien, that you have documented alien interactions or UFO interactions, it's probably worth discussing at some point. So there was an airliner that flew over New Mexico, right? Arian's home state. And they saw a UFO pass over the top. And they said it looked like a cruise missile or something like that. And it is near where there are a lot of like missile ranges. But they were saying that it was not, in fact, a missile. And so they deferred comment to like the spokesperson for the airlines.

And this is where we're at in 2021, where they were just like, yeah, we saw some weird shit. We don't really know how to explain it. So did anybody else read anything into that news, have any more level of detail? I think maybe we could put in just the flight radio from the, American Airlines pilot to air traffic control in New Mexico, just like that snippet. Because I think one of the most interesting parts of it is the pilot definitely doesn't believe in aliens, definitely doesn't believe me if he was like,

I hate to say this, but 100 feet above us there is a cylindrical object that looks like a cruiser missile, like do you have any targets in the area? And he's just like, he's in disbelief, which I thought was very interesting. So, yeah, one of the more underrated or under-discussed parts of 2020 is that the U.S. government was like, yeah, Tom DeLong from Blick 182 is right. They're aliens. We've documented. Man, everybody that I know took Mark and Travis's side in the Blink 182 split, but

like you have to take your hat off to Tom DeLong. Like that is the dude that ended up proving that aliens were documented by the United States military. Like, that's better than writing that rift to damn it. That's the, that's like, you're top 10 American in my book. If you can end up pulling that off and actually see. succeeding at it. No question.

I'm calling bullshit, though. You know what bothers me by this alien shit? This shit bothers me, bro. I am an intergalactic species that has found a way to travel from planet to planet. And I come upon a planet that has life, intelligent life, colonization. And I just, I float around or I land in some podunk town. I'm like, why would I not land somewhere where there are people? And it's just, I hate it.

I hate it. There's no aliens. Well, there's aliens. Reverse the roles, though. Like, if you were on someone else's planet, like, you would just run up to people and be like, hey, what's up? Yeah. Yo, I'm here, bro. I am here.

What else? Why are we traveling if not to, if not to have some kind of dialogue, have some kind of high, we're from the same universe you are, just a different part. You just want to study it. You just want to observe like a creep, like a little. Well, I like to think, yeah. I like to think of it. Tom in the window, that's weird. No, but we do the same thing to uncontacted tribes.

We know they're going to kill us. No, we don't. We do. There's like one. I think it's in like, um, yeah, no, Indian Ocean. Yeah, and every time, every time we go up to them, we're just not allowed. They don't want us there. And that's how I figure.

All right. We make contact on another planet. If they don't want us there, they'll let us know. We're talking about Sentinel Island. Yeah, yeah. And we've definitely tried to make contact with them. Like there have been a bunch of people that have tried. Yeah, they just get shot. They get shot with arrows. It's illegal. Because every person, I know it's illegal now, but every person that would get off the boat would like step off and be like, hey, I've got a Bible with me. I'm going to convert them into Christianity. And then they like, they let the first person on. The first person got them all sick because they don't have the same immunities that we do it. And so they were like, yeah, we're just going to fuck these people up whenever they come to our island. And then we learned our lesson. We're like, we're not allowed to talk. to them anymore. What if we think throughout history, what if they have come to see us and just like caveman

killed all the aliens? They're like, oh, like let's treat you like alien religion and the caveman was just like, Oogabuga, killed them. I mean, like, it could have happened and now they're like, stay away from that planet. Billy, Billy, Billy. Billy. Are you are you, are you, are you

trying to posit that a space traveling species comes and a fucking caveman kills them off? they probably came in peace but you have to have a backup plan in case like one of the people that you're introducing yourself to has like a big stick or something like that that would be like backup plan number one like what if they've got what if they have like a branch that has fire on the end of it

then are we all fucked are we going to have to take you don't think that again billy is positing this that a spaceship that travels across a galaxy or across a universe would stop on earth and then with the technology they have to get there would not have a way to encounter a caveman

with a rock in his hand they may have no concept of violence that's heavy that's silly as shit in the world they might this entropy chaos happens

it is what it is that is what this universe is predicated off of so if something's living something's dying brother that's heavy i love that if something's living something's dying that's a good t-shirt it's a good bumper sticker um all right so arian doesn't think that it's real do you think all aliens are bullshit or just these ones no no no no no no i think it's i think it's ridiculous not to think that there's

other life right because i'm a i don't know if you ever studied evolution but evolution is fucking fascinating and life life happens and under the right conditions and in in this planet it happened. And so you look at there are billions of stars in our galaxy that have billions of planets orbiting them. There's billions and billions of galaxies with billions and billions of planets. Just there's no fucking way. I think they even like, uh, they's called like the Drake equation. They actually tried to like, uh, mathematically prove it. And it's, it's, it's improbable. that there isn't life elsewhere, somewhere. Yep, I agree with that.

And that is only if you believe in the cosmos, the galaxy, in a spherical Earth. That's a hell of a tie-in. Great segue. Wow. All right. So that was what's going on. That's just the segment name I came up with right now. What's going on in today's world?

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what got me into the flat earth theory was boredom. And I spent about a good two months of every night in my insomnia, just looking at flat earth videos. And I was just fascinated by it. So to give a little background on the flat earth, man. We as a society, it was first documented that the earth was more than likely spherical

back in with the ancient Greeks. I think it was like the fifth century. BC, something like that. And there's always been pockets of communities and societies that have thought it was flat, right? But as our scientific understanding has grown, we understand the world that we live in a little bit better. But like I said, there's always been pockets that have thought the earth was flat. But I'm more, I want to more focus on this new wave of it. That's what fascinates me, right? Because it has a lot to do with the premise of this show. And this is fascinating. I want to get your take on this too. PFT. In 2018, there's a U-Gov poll

and said one in 10 Americans think the earth is flat. Okay. One in 10 Americans think the earth's flat. And 34% are unsure. Okay. I feel like you can find 10% of Americans that believe anything like you name it there's there's going to be imagine the dumbest people that you know and then imagine the dumbest one percent of those people that you know like i feel like 10 percent is it doesn't shock me it is weird to think that like yeah we all grew up and we learned the same things but there are always people that um that want to feel like they know something that everybody else doesn't know and something that everyone else is misinformed about it's a great feeling honestly Like when I can tell somebody a fun fact that they didn't know or I can tell them something that they might believe like the blimp thing that we talked about last week, when you can break that to somebody, you feel great. You feel like so much smarter than in that moment. So it doesn't shock me that there are 10% of Americans. I would actually be interested to know how that number has changed over the course of the last like 200 years in America. Like if you go back to like 1800, were there more people back then that thought it was flat or less?

uh go go that shit there's there's a lot of there's a lot of historical presidents jami jimmy pull it up for the historic for the flatter theory um so honestly it's basically in every pre-state civilization their idea of the world is flat you see it in norse germanic peoples you see it in the incans and the mayans uh the incans uh actually it was either the incans or the mayans specifically thought that the earth wasn't totally flat, but on the back of a tortoise. That's cool. So they accounted for a little bit of curvature. Like Danny Trejo's head in Breaking Bad. But also in some sex of Islam, it's in the Quran that the earth is flat. I have one picture. Can be interpreted, my brother.

Right, interpret it. Of course. Interpret it. Interpreted. And in tons in the Bible, but they interpret it is when they say. the world is firmly established, it cannot be moved, that, like, you know, disproves gravity, rotation, you know, heliocentrism, which is rotation around the sun. But again, it sounds like these are all interpretation.

So, like, even in Christian text, it's filtered through layers of, like, theological scholars that are like, yeah, this is what this means. And then they teach that to somebody else. And they're like, well, my interpretation of this guy's interpretation is that it means it's at the center of the universe. No, but they firmly believe that there's, like, if you ask someone who's writing the Bible, even the original people, they would not tell you that the earth was around. Okay.

That was a sort of, you know, I say pre-civilization, pre-state civilization, meaning before city states, such as Greece or Rome came about or Egypt, you know, that's when they started to actually figure out the basics of trigonometry, mathematics, and, you know, be able to deal with circles, which was actually very hard. Okay, so, but in terms of the United States, like if you flash back in time, do you think more people now think that the earth is flat than did even, you know, 50 years ago, 60 years ago? I would say, yeah.

I'll say this. Because I'm sorry, sorry, Aaron. Billy and I were, we were, we were, Billy and I were just talking about this outside in the office before we came in here to record. and I was kind of like, oh, what a silly idea, the earth being flat. And I'm not going to say who it was, but there was one employee here who didn't say he was a flat earther, but said to have a healthy distrust of things that you're told. Okay. And basically said, well, I didn't say that.

And basically said, how do you know that, like, the Earth is round? Like, what if the pictures that you see from, like, you haven't been to space? Well, my counter to that would be I did fly to Hong Kong one time. And when I flew to Hong Kong from New York, you go straight north. You go direct north over Canada and over the North Pole, almost exactly over the North Pole. Then you fly down through Russia and you land in Hong Kong. Then on the way back, you fly due east. You fly directly over the Pacific Ocean.

So the only way that you could fly in two directions for about the same amount of time and get to the same place would be if there was some sort of curve, right? I don't know. I feel like most flat earthers, if you just get on a plane, you probably look at a plane like a dog looks at getting on an elevator. You step foot on there, they close the door, they open the door, you're somewhere else. And you're like, okay, that's cool. That kicked ass. I'm glad that I'm here now. I can go outside and piss.

And so when you get on there, you can look out the window and you can see exactly like which direction you're going. And so that's not space travel, obviously, but it is going halfway around the world travel, which I think kind of proves the same point. I don't know. No, you're a thousand percent right. There's many inconsistencies with their model that if you think about it for, I mean, they literally discount gravity. Gravity just doesn't exist.

They say that it is buoyancy, I believe. They say that the air molecules weigh, if something weighs less than the air molecules and it floats up. that's that's their reasoning behind it they don't I have yet to hear a good go ahead go ahead go I got to say that to me makes more sense than gravity because you ask somebody what gravity is nobody knows what the fuck gravity is people are just like it bigger things attract other things to fall down towards it but there's no like not wrong I have I've yet to hear a good explanation for like why gravity exists maybe there's somebody that can help me with it

but floating seems to make it a little bit more sense no go ahead go ahead go ahead go ahead go ahead go No, I'm just saying floating seems to make more sense to me than gravity does. I got you. That's not a physics source, but here's this out. Gravity is complicated as shit. And I'm not going to say and pretend I understand it fully, you know, because I don't. But I've done enough study on it to kind of get the basics of it, right? And it takes the reason why conspiracy theories are so juicy is because the more complicated things are that you have to understand, the more axioms or the more foundations.

you have to, a premise is you have to believe in to be true in order to get to the reason why something is true. So in order to believe that gravity is true, you have to understand certain things, physical properties about the universe. And so gravity is the reason why we know Einstein and why he's so brilliant. This is why. Gravity is basically space and time are the same thing, okay? Space and time are the same thing. So if I was to ask you, PFT has to be, yo, let's go grab some lunch. What would you say? I already ate. I'm on a diet.

Night, let's say you didn't eat. Okay, yeah, sure. Sounds good. Can we go to a place that has salad? Sure. What time you want to go, Aaron? Bang, there you go. I preach it.

You would say, what time? I would tell you the time. And then you would say what? I would say, yeah, where are we going to meet? Right. So it's space and time. Space and time in Einstein's model are not separated, okay? And how you move through space is how you move through time.

There's literally something called the twin paradox. and I know I'm going to lose a lot of people with this shit, but it's fascinating shit. There's something called a twin pair. Say we was born at the exact same time, right? We were born at the same time. If I'm an astronaut and you're not an astronaut, I go and I travel close to the speed of light

and I go around in, I don't know, circles or whatever. And I come back in maybe five years, right? I will have aged five years, right, in my time. But you would have aged way more than that, maybe 30 or something like that. I don't know the exact calculation. But time moves differently depending on how you're moving. And that shit is fascinating, right?

This is literally what Einstein was famous for. It's the general theory relativity. Anyway, it'd be fucked up if they actually did that to a set of twins, though. Can we all agree on that? I think it would be kind of cool. They actually put a set of twin one on the International Space Station, one on Earth, to study that. So did the other one get older? Did the other one come back and, like, their knees were all fucked up?

They had to get a hip replacement? If they're in the space station, it's not. not going to be like noticeable it'll be like like nanoseconds that's what they were trying to figure out right it's and that's why i said if i'm traveling near the speed of light if i'm traveling it depends on how you're moving right so uh you seen the movie interstellar yep all right so you know when they go to that planet and they're spoiler sorry but when they go to that planet and they go down and he was there for like a hour or two come back up and a black dude old as shit yep that's a real effect of our universe that is a real that's not movie that's that that happens okay

prove this plenty of times. We had these, um, uh, we had these atomic clocks where they're in sync. We put two on, on a plane. We put one on a plane and then one, and we left one on the earth. And we flew it around the earth. I think it was like seven times or something like that. And when they come back, they no longer synchronized because the moving plane, the time moves differently for something that's moving.

And there's all kinds of different effects that I won't go into, but it's fascinating shit. So basically time and space are the exact same thing, right? So think of the universe as like a big cylindrical space, right? There's a void, right? And when you put mass in it, right, like a planet or a sun, it warps the space around it. So think about it like a bowling ball and ball on a sheet, okay? Okay. Like a bowling ball and a sheet.

It warps the space around it. And that also causes the mass to move, which is why we have spinning planets. And so we're in this vortex of spinning mass and space. space. And so that space is tangible. That space is time. And that's with the effects that you fill of gravity. So if you jump off of a roof, you're not necessarily falling. You're just following the pathway that space and time is opening up for me. Yes. All right. So is it is it like it's opening up the space and so I'm going towards the object or is it that? You're going towards the center mass. Or is it that time, which is around me is pushing me towards the center mass. Because

because time is making up the space that the mass just got done occupying. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. No, yeah. You're right. That's a good way to think about it, is it's pushing you towards the center mass. And so that's really boring physics stuff if you're not into

it. That shit is mind-blowing because it has like mind-blowing things. So they don't, when I say they, I mean flat-ethers, they don't have basic understandings of physics, right? of science. They discount things because shit like that. And I know somebody who heard that for the

first time, I was like, yeah, what the fuck is he talking about? Right. But it took me, it took me months of study to kind of get an understanding of this to where I can actually explain it, right? And I'm probably doing a shitty job. I'm not. No, no. I thought, I thought that was actually the best explanation that I've heard. Like, I kind of understand what you're talking about, which if you, the second that you know that you understand a subject is when you can kind of teach it to somebody. So, uh, thank you, Yeah, that was good. I kind of, it makes a little bit of sense to me right now, but I also see the flip side of the coin where it's just easier

if you're just like, now, fuck it, it's flat. Yeah, yeah. I mean, and physicists will tell you, right, like, we don't know actually what gravity is, like, what is it? Like, they're looking, they're actively looking for something called a graviton, where it's like a particle that actually is what gravity is. So, like, we don't 100% know what gravity is, right? But it's that.

It's the gap in the knowledge where flat earthers and conspiracy theories, exist. It's like, how? We don't know 100%. Guess what? It's all bullshit. And it's just not how reality works. Literally, GPS. GPS uses this. The GPS on all your phones and all your cars and everything. It uses the equations from Einstein's general theory relativity that that calculates the space between the satellite and your phone and compensates the delay. So it's literally like within, I think like seven yards it can pinpoint where you're at from a satellite in the sky which is fucking insane right um it uses einstein's equations um but this is the problem with flat earthers is they don't have a baseline understanding of of science um uh and that's is a societal problem

in general man so um maybe we can say like what do flat earthers believe because i i did a little bit research on them. I mean, I've, I've been, like, looking into the flat earth theory. It's always, like, intrigued me because it's one of these things that is just so different and out there that that sort of stuff fascinates me. But maybe you can walk us through, like, what they actually believe if there's, like, a certain set of facts that are agreed upon, or if it's kind of all over the place. Right. Right. Okay. So this is the fascinating thing is once you go down this rabbit hole, it's, uh, think of it like a religion, right? Like, Christianity. We all believe

that Jesus Christ's Lord and Savior. All the there's little things that we disagree on and why you have different sex. You have non-denominational. You have Protestant all that stuff, right? So like the main things I think that they believe. Huh?

Aren't you Amish? No. What are you? Keep going. You keep going. You were just telling Billy that you had to take, he couldn't take the mushrooms part out and you can't say Which Jesus you believe in? Which Jesus, I...

Well, it's complicated. I grew up in a Southern fundamental independent Baptist church, which is as crazy. So many... No, these people... We're going to go into a church for one minute. No, that's fine. Like, the Baptist church is generally viewed as a pretty, like, you know, conservative, like, very strict. And these people looked at the Baptist and were like, no, those people are, like, two out there.

And we went to this church for a while because it was like a tenth of a mile from our house. And these people were out of their minds. So that turned me off a church for a while. I mean, I would definitely say I'm a Christian, non-denominational, I guess. I don't know. Okay, that's interesting. My family in North Carolina, that was like the same thing. They disavowed, their church disavowed themselves from the Southern Baptist Convention.

Yeah. Because it was like, it was getting kind of crazy. And then the other side of my family is Quaker. And so I was raised in the Quaker church, which I don't really retain all the lessons that they taught. I mean, you can take one look at my life and be like, that guy's probably not Quaker. But they just, when it comes down to like the root of their belief, they don't really know. They just think that everybody has like a little bit of whatever God is inside them, and that's what makes them alive. And so it's like this little light.

The inner light is what they call. And they also think that you can't fight or they believe in pacifism, so you shouldn't fight in wars, which is I, part of me thinks. I believe in that. And they're abolitionists. Yeah, and they're abolitionists. part of my, I think that my dad was like, I don't want my son to get drafted into a war if there's a war, so we're going to raise him at the Quaker Church. I just found out I'm a Quaker.

Yeah, there you go. My ancestors on my mom's side originally came over as Quaker. I didn't know that about you. All right. Crazy. Look at you guys bonding through Quaker Oaks. Exactly. Yeah.

We'll have a... What was that? We were talking about the different sex. How it's like a religion. The different sects of flat a... Sorry, it took us on the left turn there. Right. Which Jesus do you believe in?

There's not a lot of consensus, but there are a few reoccurring things, right? There's just not a lot of consensus of what they believe. Like, they kind of argue, they have infighting, just like any other belief. But there's some main points. And these are the most out there. Okay, so first of they think the earth is flat, right? And they're not sure if it's a firmament or what's covering it. There's no real

consensus there, but they believe it's like a flat, like a plate, right? And then we exist on top of it. And maybe there's a dome structure on top of it. Maybe there's not. They believe that there's a sun and there's a moon, right? And it rotates like

like a roulette table. It rotates like that. They also believe that surrounding the plate is an ice wall there's an there's an ice wall that we call antarctica right and they believe that there is a treaty that says if you if you try to travel to this ice wall this giant ice wall

that encompasses the entire earth you it's a it's a government conspiracy where nobody's allowed there and there's armed guards and if you try to go they'll kill you or they'll threaten violence Which I do want to get into, but the other one is, is they, like I said, they don't believe gravity exists at all. They just, that's, that's not a real thing. Gravity doesn't happen. And I think what was the other one that was fascinating? So they think, they think it's flat and they think, I read somewhere that it's 9,000 kilometers deep. So like, it's a thick.

That's the, that's the infighting. They don't really, there's no consensus. Okay. Yeah, I guess that'd be tough to measure. They do agree on that the conspiracy to not, you know, let them go there. The treaty was the United Nations. And if you look at how the United Nations, their logo, it actually looks like a flat earth because it's the view from the North Pole to get all the countries. So that was, you know, they point to that being like, look, like it's right there in the logo.

that like it looks like the flat earth which has the north pole is the middle of a yeah so i would like to see a view of like an upskirt view of the globe from the south pole it would look like that pumpkin that chap said was trying to get the pipe the one with just like the antarctica at the bottom and then see every other country around it oh yeah billy's brought it up right here that's that's using the north pole yeah using the north pole that's the u.n so they're saying that that antarctica is a giant ice wall that now is is the earth a circle or is it like a Yeah, think of it like a flat circle. Think of it like a pancake.

So it's like a pancake. And underneath there's, like I said, there's not a lot of consensus. Some people think it's like rock kind of thing. Some people think it's like a, uh, uh, just there's no, like I said, there's no, because I couldn't find like a direct answer. There's just, there's no, there's a lot of infighting. And the ice wall on the tree shit was amazing because I actually read the treaty, right? The one that was, I think it was in 1950 something.

Yeah. And if you actually read the treaty, all it is, I think there's like 14 articles, right? All it is, it basically says all the country's involved. And it's basically just detailing how we all agree that this land should be barren for scientific exploration. there no militarization like this is purely for everybody and and we should not stake a claim on this land and and that it just it just basically details about that there's no there's no talk about armed guards there's no talk about you can't come here there's like it's none of that like if you actually read the the treaty and it's fascinating to me how all of this shit pops up and i doubt

they've ever read this year so do you think that native americans back you know 800 900 years ago, they didn't have the idea of ownership or property. If they were like, you can't own this place, do you think Native Americans were like, hey, this land right here, this is, like, that's what they don't want you to see. That's what the ancestors are like trying to hide something. I don't, I feel like that's a very modern way to look at it is if there's, well, I guess it does make sense because if there's an international conglomerate of countries all telling everybody that this land is going to be governed in one way, then people are going to natural. spring to like you know either disbelief or being paranoid about it but the fact is you can go

there right you can could hypothetically if we uh bought a seafaring vessel one of those ice breaking ships and we got enough patagonia could we all team up and just like cruise down to antarctic chill there uh patagonia what a word i i got bad news guys what i just looked up countries with territorial claims to antarctica um turns out there is is a micro nation founded in 2001 in Antarctica called West Arctica. You're thinking about Alien versus Predator. That's when that came out. West Arctica?

Yeah. Yeah. I think it's like a fake one. Let me fix it in real time, Billy. While we're doing that, I have a quick question going back a little bit that I've been trying to work through in my mind, and it may make me sound stupid, but I just want to work through this for a second. So when we were talking about the plate, right?

and you said they think it's however many thousand kilometers thick so I googled how thick is the earth that says 3,000 kilometers if they think we're on a plate that's something similar to what did you I don't know what it was but if it's something similar to that is that not just getting to the point where it would be like kind of a cone looking deal like it wouldn't be round but it would be something similar so it wouldn't even be flat it would just be the countries are positioned on on top

instead of like throughout it. You know, think about it like a big-ass wedding cake that's only got one layer, though. Right. So it's almost like a hockey puck that's just expanded. Right. But they do believe that there's shit like below it. Yeah, so that's a good question. What is underneath the earth?

What do the flat earthers believe is on the bottom side? Well, Norse had a tree. Okay. One tree? They just, the tree of life held up. That's a day of the earth kingdom. No, yeah, I have a picture in the thing. And then in one part of the Quran, they have a cow holding up the earth.

I'm not sure of the exact part, but I have a... So that's, you know, those are obviously taken from a long time ago. That's what their beliefs were. What area, have you seen or read anything about what they believe is underneath the earth right now? I did not spend any time looking at that. if anybody has any i have no idea i mean the sort of part of the yeah part of the flatter theory is sort of they don't they want they want some unknown because i think it's part of me thinks that the inability to understand that we're just a bunch

of monkeys on a rock in the middle of this endless void of universe is sort of too overwhelming because it's sort of the unknown sort of comes with the familiarity of like religion and belief and hope like oh there this isn't just all it there's something else going on coley what do you think is underneath the earth a lot of the like to piggyback on what billy was just saying a lot of the stuff i found was like we have part like you can trust us because we don't claim to have all the answers which is a great way of saying like we're making it up as we're going along so i kind of love that snake oil salesman bit of it from that side of it. But the other part I found like pretty interesting was like it is more religious than I

expected. Like I haven't done a lot of flat earth reading into prior to this just because it was something like I heard the theory once and immediately just dismissed it as I feel like most people do. And I was just like, hey, I'm all set. But like reading into this, I do feel like it almost preys on people's desire to want to believe in something. and even going back to what aryan was saying like the original flat earth theories just because civilization humanity wasn't that fucking old yet like they thought it was flat because heaven was above hell was below so it was i think it was like china they were like look at it like an egg and the top the sky was the the top of the sphere where the yoke we're the center and below us

is hell. So I feel like a lot of people just think, oh, hell's below us. Okay. That's it. Flat earth people, rather, not people. That's as good an explanation as I think I've heard. Like, yeah, that's just hell underneath the hell. And it's got to be resting on something, though, right?

Like, whether it's a turtle, whether it's all the way down. A tree. Turtles all the way down. Or if it's just like a floor. It has to be, it has to be resting on something, right? Like, there's got to be something there. Well, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, part of the flat earth theory that just doesn't make any sense to me.

When we look in the sky without light pollution, you can see it's flooded, right, with stars, millions of stars. And they're all spherical, celestial objects. Why, with any kind of inference, would you assume that you live on the only thing, millions of them are up there, but you're living on the only one that isn't spherical? It makes no sense. So do they believe that other planets actually are spherical? Or like when they look at the moon, right?

If they look at the moon, are they like the moon's flat too? No, they don't think the moon is flat. I don't think the moon's real. They think, no, no, no. Well, see, this is why I said it's infighting. The reputable ones I've seen acknowledge that the sun and the moon are real. They don't acknowledge how far they are, right? So I think the sun is like, I don't know, 92 million miles away or something like that.

they think it's what is it like 4,000 or something like how how that's like from here to believe they think they're much there's a big there's a big sort of thing that we're missing that is a huge in the belief system is the idea of heliocentrism which is the sun being the center of the universe versus uh i forget the word but earth being the center of the universe and this was something that they debated for years and like would kill each other like philosophy phosphorus in Greece, like, are we the center of the universe or is the sun the center of the universe? And what we found out is the sun isn't even the center of the wider universe. So I think this idea of self-importance of like, we, I live on the rock in the center of the

universe. Yeah. So like, I matter. I think Billy's right. Billy's right about that. And it actually comes up a lot in other theories, just about everything, actually. Like people always, they want to feel like they're very important in the grand scheme of things because it's impossible to sit down and think about what a small, finite amount of time we occupy compared to the history of this planet. So they make up other stuff to make it seem like they're in the center of things.

And one of those, I think we should probably do an episode on at some point is like doomsday cults. And people think that the Earth's about to end because everyone wants to think that when it comes time for the great battle between good and evil or whether there's an asteroid that's going to hit the earth or whatever the case might be, everyone wants to feel like it's going to be in their lifetime that the entire earth is going to end because it makes you feel like you're important and you're there for a reason

at that point. So what Bill you're saying is that people just like going back to the historical text of religious scholars and philosophers, they were just saying like, okay, we are the center of the universe, everything revolves around us, which actually makes a lot more sense. if you're a flat earther to be like, okay, our little planet here has these rules and is set up in a way that's completely different from everywhere else in the universe. It makes sense. I get that. Yeah, it's, this is why, like when you, when you start to dig into why, so the other really big claim that they make, right, is that NASA is like this government conspiracy that is basically a farce and they're just put here.

to trick us and to con us and they even like uh NASA what fuck I forgot what was the the term that they say NASA comes from Nazi no it was it was um I think it's to deceive right but it's it's it's actually not NASA it's like like NAFA or something like that it's like totally watch here hold on I think it was quick Google the only reason I said Nazi was the the German scientists in World War II who developed Hitler's rockets the doodle bugs that could bomb London were incorporated into the U.S. Space Program. Operation Paper Club. That's the only reason why I mentioned Nazi. And also the flat-earthers think that the countries that all have state claim in Antarctica, Chile, Argentina, Norway. Great soccer teams.

Teams with, you know, if you had to run away to a different country because you were part of a disgrace political party that committed atrocities, you'd run away to. Yeah. Okay. I can see that. I'm looking at the NASA Flat Earth example. I'm trying to find out the name of it. It looks like a roulette. Yeah, it does. It does look like a roulette table for sure. That'd be fucked up if you were like Albert Einstein and you escaped the Nazis

and then you learned everything that you could about the universe. You were so in love. You were such a simp for the universe that you spent every waking hour of every waking day learning all the rules that govern it. And then you come to America and your first job. is like, hey, can you invent weapons that will destroy all of it? That's got to be a pretty big mind fuck. Yeah, that's why the aliens are making sure we don't blow each other up.

You think they're peacekeepers? Yeah, that they're just playing referee up in the sky until we all unite and can join the Galactic Federation. And they're playing hard to get. They just show up every now and then on a fuzzy video. So the theory about NASA is that it was started to lie to us to, like, convince us to this around? Well, this is another thing. This is very confusing.

It's hard to, like, research because it's like there's so many different beliefs that they have. So there's not like one. There's a flat earth society, which was like started in like the 50s. 56. Yeah. And that was really benign, right? Because it just, it wasn't something that gained a lot of steam. It gained a lot of steam when the owner of it, or I mean, the starter of it died.

And then Samuel Shelton took over. And that's when it really started. picking up. And I think at one point, they had like 3,500 newsletters going in and out, right? And that was like the height of it. And then it died off when he died off. So the whole NASA thing is hard to like pinpoint because they don't really have, all they do is say, nope, that's not real.

Nope, that's not real. Nope, that's not real. They never give any evidence of the contrary. All they do is deny evidence, right? So they say pictures of the earth that are taken from satellites. It's all doctored, right? And then they'll have people who are from NASA and they'll say, they admit it, see? And then you hear the interview and they say, yeah, we photoshop some of them because the earth is so big we can't get one picture of Earth, right?

We have to, like, stitch images together. I know if anybody's ever dealt with like a 360-degree camera, I don't know if anybody doesn't do that. But like they have to stitch the images together in order to get that effect where it looks like it's, it's, It's in a circle. Like, that's just how our technology works at this point. But they use that as an excuse to say, ah, see, it's Photoshop's not real. It's like, you can't just take a Polaroid of a fucking Earth, dog.

Like, it's big and shit. I think it's hard to conceptualize how big the Earth is because you live in, you know, an apartment or whatever. Like, the Earth is big, bro. The other fascinating thing was that, that in 2000, like I said, when they all said, 2015 was when this shit started to kick off, right? And why did this shit start to kick off?

And this is the bigger issue to me. It's not that people believe in the flat earth. It's why people believe in the flat earth. It's because in 2015, really the main dude that kicked this stuff off, his name is Eric DeBay. And there's nothing that he says that's going to blow your mind

if you're a rational human being, if you're anywhere close to scientifically literate, there's nothing he says that's challenging. But what he does is he presents things in a very eloquent way, in a very detailed-oriented way, that if you're not aware of a basic understanding of science, then it sounds like he knows what he's talking about. And so he was very convincing to a lot of people.

And like I said, this is the bigger issue. The bigger issue is, if you was to ask me, and why is there so many people that believe in the flat earth? And I always say because of YouTube, it's absolutely YouTube's fault. YouTube's algorithm, we talked about us a little bit on the last show, but YouTube's algorithm feeds you what you want to see. So once you see one of his videos, another one pops up and then you're lost in the sauce, is what they like to say.

And so there was a spike from like no, pretty much no Google searches, right? And this is data that you can look. Matter of fact, we'll link it. There's no Google searches of flat earth, right? and all of a sudden it spiked to hundreds of thousands. And this is the problem. And then it spiked. And then Kyrie Irvin happened.

And then Shaq happened. And then all of these big brain guys talking about the flutterer. I typically go along with whatever Kyrie says at this point. It's Kyrie's world. I'm just along for the ride because it's a lot more fun when you just decide to let Kyrie call the shots. You're never going to be bored. I think you're right.

You sage the bed. You save the bed before you get it in. Listen, I'm all aboard. on saging arenas before you go in, cleansing them. Whatever it takes, he's fun to watch. I think that when it comes to YouTube, I think you're absolutely right. One thing about the Flat Earthers on YouTube, though,

that they're really fucking good at, aside from gaming the algorithm, they have incredible soundtracks to their voice. Like, awesome fucking soundtracks. You click on a Flat Earth documentary or a Flat Earth, like, you know, 10-minute long clip on YouTube. YouTube. It sounds like it, John Williams can go fuck himself because whoever scored this is the best composer of all time. I feel scared. I feel like I'm getting smarter while I'm getting

scared. And then I get mad at everybody else because nobody else knows this shit and I've been lied to my whole life. They're really good. Can we, Avery, can we actually add in, Bill, this is going to be, I'm going to sign this to you. Find the most lit soundtrack for, for any flat earth movie on YouTube and we'll pump it in because it will get you going. Feel free to DM me one on Twitter If you've already had one of mine Listeners It's already out

It's going to go on the show Billy Oh You're going to do this God damn it You know what you started Believe in your own height man That's what that's

No bro All this fucking I got all these tweets I'm tagged in saying Man Billy's so smart This fucking guy Love that You could fucking

When it came to the whole time In space If someone has it now Yeah he can't He can't picture himself 12 hours Just a cop here to make sure yeah no bill like right after this podcast is done send avery a clip of the best

soundtrack that you find but yeah i think there's definitely a lot to be said about that the uh the youtube algorithm has it's attracted people and it's created celebrities too right so who would you guys say i think coli you and arian have probably done a little bit more research than i have into this but like who are who are the modern leaders of the flat earth movement and what do they think I would say there's mainly one and then there's a dude that's like the organizer and I forget his name he was on a Netflix documentary but I forget his name I should have brought it

but the main one like I said that brought all of this to the forefront they reinvigorated the debate was Eric Debe this dude is like the godfather this one like and he don't do a lot of interviews and he don't do a lot of so it's kind of like the anonymity kind of keeps his prestige going within the community

Mark Sargent Was that the name? Mark Sargent's a big one That's him There you go Good shit Billy You redeemed yourself Yeah

I remember watching that documentary on Netflix It's called Behind the Curve Behind the Curve And it's a lot like Any other internet society out there Any other like group of posters That finds themselves united

By one kind of goal Or one kind of shared interest And it becomes a popularity contest It becomes like Who in this group thinks that the earth is the flattest, you know, like, who's, who is the badass that's pushing the limit that's saying, like, that's more hardcore than everybody else until somebody's like, I actually believe the earth is concave and it's bent downward. Like, it just, it becomes

a thing where, uh, there are no hills. Yeah, there are no hills. It's all figments of your imagination. It's people that are like, that are chasing the celebrity of being the leader or being the most out there in any, any movement that, uh, it seems like they're more concerned with that than they are with actually listening to, like, coming up with any sort of scientific experiment or argument? I think there's an aspect of that, though, but I think, for sure, I think, especially with the internet culture, like the, the Instagramable people of the world, like, you're trying to, you're trying to get the most likes and all that shit.

But I think the majority of flat earthers, and the documentary did a great job of highlighting this, is there, it's usually the type of person, I mean, no disrespect to any flat earth out there, but it's usually the type of person that believes in this kind of thing is kind of like outcast from their social circles in their, uh, in their communities, right? And so they found something online that they can identify with, which is not necessarily the belief of the flat earth, but it's that it's that, it's that camaraderie that they didn't find in their circles. And it was actually fascinating that it took that turn when I was watching a documentary because that's important. And to your point about the, uh, uh, um, doomsday cults,

And I'm not saying flatterers as a cult, but what I'm saying, it, it mirrors a lot of the same characteristics. And in order to combat that, you would have to have some kind of rationality. But when you attach a part of your personality and a part of who you are to this, that's when it becomes dangerous and that's when it spreads. And this is why we're in the situation that we are. That's why I was even like comparing it to religion, too, because. it does like cult religion like very much has those aspects to it um it it's interesting you say 2015 too because that was also when every single day on tv and social media we had some guy constantly yelling at us that the news was fake um and it kind of brought people to start asking

questions just looking for answers in the wrong places entirely like you two but also go go ahead bill oh no i was just going to say a lot of the religious believe in the flat earth because it validates creationism right and all ideas of creation them from whatever book great point that's a that's actually a great point so for people that I don't know creationism is the belief that the earth was like if you follow the chronologically in the bible the years of like you know Adam's son was born and this like when you follow chronologically the earth is about it puts the earth that is about 6,000 years old and there are people who believe that the earth is 6,000 years old.

And there's a lot of biblical verses that that kind of back to claim that the earth is flat. I was actually having a conversation this weekend with a creationist. It was interesting as hell. Do they believe that dinosaurs are fake? We didn't get into the dinosaurs. We didn't get into the dinosaurs. We just got into his, he literally thought it was 6,000 years ago. and I just couldn't wrap my mind

it's just like you have never and I don't mean it disrespectfully I'm like bro but you have just never open the science book like at all if you think that shit and I don't mean it disrespectly I'm just like yeah there are answers to these questions

we should send you to the creationist museum and just have you have a just a conversation with a person that runs up me and Ken Ham oh yeah that would be fun as that would be really fun yeah and I think what I like about Arian is like you you admit you don't have the answers, but at least you're trying to find them, right? Like, we don't know quite. I got most

of the answers and the ones that I don't my brother has. There you go. And when it comes to Billy, Billy, you're also you seem to have an open mind, you're inquisitive. Ever since Billy lost religion, when he found out that Jose Canseco was more of a pacifist than he was and he beat the shit out of him. Billy's

been questioning his entire upbringing. So you are, you're intellectually curious which I like about you. And I think that when it comes to the flat earthers, it's um it it all boils down to it's just easier to be like the earth's flat like fuck it it's flat and there's a guy upstairs looking out for me then i'm all going to be okay yeah like the end of this when i hear myself say it and i say it out loud i feel like i feel a little bit warmer

i feel a little bit better about myself because it's like that man that's a that's 15 years of physics education i don't have to worry about it anymore like it just kind of washes over and you're like fuck it it's flat you know I have a What Bill? I have a cringe worthy hot take. Okay. The only myth.

Say it with your chest, man. Say it with your chest, man. The only myth is the idea of something being completely flat. Oh, yeah. He went in on this earlier. He said there's no such thing. Not the earth. Like flat does not exist, period.

Everything is a little curved because of the earth. Yeah. I heard something that blew my mind one time. one time, and that's if you shrink the earth down to the size of a pool ball, a pool ball is actually not as smooth as the earth is. There's no such thing as something flat. So like this table. That's not, that's not.

That we have all our stuff. So like, Think about it. Billy, so this table. I have thought about this. And I'm telling you that's bullshit, Billy. Billy, what, hold on, you got to give me a definitions for you spout this month. Well, I mean, like, yeah.

What do you mean by flat, Billy? The fact that something has. has zero curves. Just so a zero, zero degrees in an angle, right? There's no, right, but math is also theoretical. That's not true. That's actually a philosophical debate,

but I don't agree with that. But think about it, like, if, you know, the earth is round, this table is on the earth, and the earth is round, it just has a very small curvature. Yep, not how that works. Like, this table is on legs, Billy.

so yeah maybe this leg is is uh long and this leg is like a little bit shorter or whatever and but the surface can still be flat it just you're saying if it follows the exact contour of the planet then nothing's flat but something can be floating in the air you can make something that doesn't do that i said i said billy what you're saying what you're saying is you can't draw a flat line through a circles which is that's what you're saying right it's not true can't can't it's not the case but think about it. This was important. I was important.

Yeah, we didn't. It's important. I said it was cringe-worthy. It's important that Billy fucks up at least once per episode. Okay, we're done. He already had that. You know what?

You know what? I need a hot take from you every episode, man. Okay, I'll bring it. But work on being more confident in your hot take. I know. I knew you guys would get me on me for that one, but I was just thinking about it. That's stupid, Billy.

Dude, the flat. But, like, think about it. I have thought about this. Our concept of flatness comes from the idea that the earth is flat. No, it doesn't. What the fuck are you talking? Our concept of flatness comes from angles, literally angles.

There's zero degrees. There's one degree. There's two degrees. It goes all the way to 180 to 360. They're literally degrees. And what you're saying is zero degree angles don't exist. Well, they do in math. They do.

Have you ever hung something? Have you ever hung something, Billy? No. This was his example. They have levels. There are pictures on the wall. He literally pointed to a picture on the wall in the office and said, Yeah, this picture, like, it looks flat on the wall, but it's actually not.

Because honestly, our eyes are also curved. Oh, my God. Really, the 360 degrees is a circle. So once you hit 180, that's flat in a circle. That's flat, my G. There's a plane that cuts through the center of the earth. And let me ask you this. Since you're talking about flat on the ground, what about up?

Can you be flat up off of a circle? Straight up in the air. You know, now my brain is overheated. Yeah, you didn't think about it. Oh, brains are heated. That overloaded. Up, overloaded. Okay, okay.

Now I get it. Now I get it. His brain's like the engine of a minivan on a 19 degree day. These are locks up or it overheats, see the way. Up is confusing. I usually go straight. Because, no, because I was reading the flat earth thing, and they were like a plane, right? They said, like, if the earth is round, a plane flying straight should just go off.

the curve of the earth. Yeah. That's not how to... No, I know. But you know, honestly, I probably was reading too much of this stuff to research for it.

It screwed up my brain. You've become... You've become halfway of flat earth. I don't remember... You're prime for getting indoctrinated, Billy. No, I'm so... Yeah, I 100%. Like, I agree with that.

I have a gullibility that... We have to limit your research time. I don't remember if we mention this. I think you tweeted at PFT, but he did write a 2100 word like Google. doc for this. He did he did his research a little too much I may if I may say so myself. The summaries of some of the points seem like there's some opinion creeping into there, not just fact. I've always

wondered about about. I appreciated that, by the way. I appreciated the diligence building. Of course, yeah. It's very helpful. So when you're talking about space and you're talking about going up into space, how come if NASA, let's say NASA's lying about all the shit, because I think that there's probably some stuff that NASA's lied about in the past. I think most government agencies have probably lied about some shit. But if they're making this whole thing up and they're flying to the moon, which I don't know, I also feel like Billy is halfway a moon truth or two. Billy's in the pocket of Big Moon.

No, no, I'm not in the pocket of Big Moon. No, I am in the pocket of Big Moon. You are in the pocket. But let's say that we made up going to the moon and we made up, you know, landing there, orbiting the moon, all that stuff. Don't you think that our enemies at the time, like Russia, like USSR, they were flying to the moon, too. they were trying to beat us to the moon.

Don't you think they would be like, hey, the U.S. is lying to everybody. Space doesn't exist. They're fucking assholes. If I was Russia, that's what I do. Oh, Russia, there's a huge percentage of Russians who don't believe in the moon landing. Because we beat them there. Right. It's like being like, oh, I got, this guy took this girl for me.

She's ugly. I don't want her anyway. That sort of thing. But if I was Russia, I would do that. It's a great analogy. I would be like the U.S. is lying about all this stuff. here's my documentation, we explored space, and it's all made up. But how come the USSR never did any of that?

I don't know if the flat-earthers have any explanation behind if they've thought that far down the line, or if they have a rebuttal, if I was going to say that. I haven't seen. That's a great analogy that I had not heard before, so I doubt that they have come up with that, because you're brilliant. Not everybody's brilliant like you, man.

I'm not brilliant. I just know sometimes the right question. I can tell when somebody's bullshit in me. Because I'm so good. I'm a good bullshiter myself. I did also see that B.O.B. thinks that the earth is flat. Yeah, that whole debacle was fun. He went on Twitter posting a picture of the buildings behind him. There were certain miles away.

And he shouldn't be able to see him, see the buildings according to the curvature calculations. And usually what happens with that, what I noticed is either they don't understand the physics of it. Like sometimes there's like reflections and those kind of things that happen that are a part of vision. Or they just, or they get the calculation wrong. They don't even know what they're doing. Yeah. I remember at the end of behind the curve, there was, they like bought a bunch of equipment to try to prove that the earth was flat.

They spent like $200,000 on equipment and they ended up going out and proving that the earth was round. And that was the brilliant, I'm sorry, go ahead, I'm sorry. No, they were just, they were kind of like, well, we probably screwed something up because it's telling us that it's round. They didn't really, they didn't really address that at the end. And so that was the brilliant part of that was they did really good science, but they had a bit of confirmation bias, right? So they did really good science. They said, if the earth is flat, we should see it like this. If it's curved, we'll see it like this.

And they saw it how it was when it's supposed to be curved. And he said, huh, that's really interesting. That's really interesting. Yeah, nigga it's fucking curved. So he started to GoFund Me. I think he got taken down, but he was trying to launch a satellite to prove that the Earth was flat. Oh, wait. Is this Mike Hughes?

Yeah. He died. Damn, bro. He died in a rocket trying to prove that the Earth was flat. Well, this is a little bit different. We can get into Mike Hughes in a second, but, but, B, OBB, he started the, he started the GoFundMe, tried to raise $200,000 for. He bumped that up to a million dollars to try to launch a satellite into space to prove that it was flat. I don't think he ever got around to that because I haven't really heard much about that experiment.

But this guy, his name's Mike Hughes, right? Tell me about Mike Hughes. Mike Hughes was a flat earthist who basically got, you know, out of the, a lot of clout chasing amongst the flat earthers. Well, this guy got enough clout with them to get a science channel show. So, Daredevil and Flat Earth theorist Michael Mad Mike Hughes died Saturday in a rocket crash. Hughes 64 wanted to prove the flat earth theory by taking photographs of Earth from a homemade rocket. So the particular launch was only supposed to take Hughes 5,000 feet in the air. And, yeah, he, you know, he died doing what he wanted to prove.

He died doing what he loves. Yeah. I want to laugh at another man's death. But that is passion, man That you have to be a passionate motherfucker To know you don't know But be willing to die for it That's

You can call him a lot of things Uncommitted ain't one of them Yeah honestly respect Yeah I would I would like to see his screen time On his either phone or computer To see how many hours he spent watching these videos

Too online Way too online Yeah So yeah There have been I think there have been a couple accidents that have happened over the course of the last 20 years where people get they try to get too into the hands-on part of the science and it ends up because they don't have any

scientific training it doesn't go well for them you know one of my favorite parts of looking at these uh flat earth um uh websites whatnot the this one flat earth the website actually disproves a flat earth by admitting that gravity exists so they're like saying analysis of many of the interior videos from the International Space Station have used the used camera tricks such as green screen harnesses and even wildly permed hair to achieve zero gravity type effect. Footage of astronauts seemingly floating in the zero gravity of their space station is indistinguishable from vomit comet zero G airplane footage. Jesus.

Which those airplanes, the only reason they work is because the airplane drops at the same speed as gravity and then you end up floating i'm not sure the exact science but also yeah it's it's interesting right so that's that's what yeah it's when einstein figured that out with his general theory relativity he imagined the man falling right and remember how i said uh space time curves so that's what that's that's that's what they're doing in in space they're they're they're they're floating but they're they're falling right it's literally like oh oh oh put it like this. So think about it like this. Isaac Newton figured this out, right? So like, say, say this is the Earth, right? It's a circle for people listening. And you, and there's a cannonball

sitting on top, okay? And you shoot the cannonball with a certain amount of force and it goes like this. More force, it goes like this. More force it goes like this. But if you shoot it with enough, it'll escape Earth's gravity and then now it's in orbit. And that's, and that's what the zero G plane is. It's, it's in free fall. So there's no force being applied to it. So it's in free fall. And when it's in free fall, gravity goes away. That's what it is. It's fascinating shit. This is why I don't understand about this shit.

I'm a nerd for this shit. I love this shit. Reading about this shit, studying this shit, asking questions about this shit. And they look at it and be like, no, nope. Go ahead, Bill? I have a whole list of how they try to prove the flat earth is real. Walk us through some of the experiments, because I'm actually fascinated by the scientific experiments they conduct. So, rockets should not work in a space vacuum because there's nothing to push off of.

Okay. So their idea of propulsion, they think like everything's a propeller, you know, like the air gets pushed. But in a vacuum, there's nothing to push. But it's really the rocket spewing fuel. I'm not a rock. No, this is actually the exact question that we ask all the time. If the sun is hot, how come space is cold? Because there's nothing there.

There are some people that believe in the cold sun theory. I consider myself one of them. and the entire premise behind it is, well, it's two-fold, Aaron, let me convince you. Oh, please do, me. How come space is cold if the sun is hot, the closer you get to it. Like, Mercury is, it's got poles on there. You think that it would just be just evaporated water, right? I actually don't know if there's ice on mercury or not.

But I do know that when you go into space, it gets colder. I also know that when you climb mountains, the closer you get to the sun, what's at the top of mountains? It's snow. It gets cold up there. when you go down in Death Valley, it's hot, the lower you go, center of the earth, hot. So ipso facto, the sun's cold, we get our heat from the core of the earth. It's actually movement out there called cold sun truthers. But the theory behind space being cold and this propulsion thing is the exact same.

There's nothing out there to heat up. You're just in the middle of nowhere. And so the same rules of physics don't govern a space. spaceship that you're trying to shoot through there. Can I challenge your colder theory with one question? How would you explain then, like, you're in the shade, it's not as hot, and then you walk into the sun and it's hotter? That's a good question. I think that plants provide, because the plant is above the earth, so it's colder.

So you're just getting cold, you're getting the cold, like, radiation from the plant that's above you. anything that's above the earth is colder no no the because I was looking at it's the geothermal heat bounces off the atmosphere and comes back down and that's why the shade's cooler

oh yeah here's a here's a quick explanation bro that I found because it's not a stupid question right if sun's hot, why it's space cold it's really actually a good question and it shows that you have a basic understanding of this year right

so this is I couldn't explain it in a more eloquent word this is perfect they say heat travels through the cosmos as radiation, an infrared wave of energy that migrates from hotter objects to cooler ones. The radiation waves excite molecules they come in contact with, causing them to heat up. This is how heat travels from the sun to the earth, but the catch is that radiation only heats molecules and matter that are directly in its path. Everything else stays chilly. Take mercury. The nightmare temperature of the planet can be a thousand degrees

Fahrenheit lower than radiation exposed dayside according to NASA. Oh, NASA though. There you go. Funny how it all comes back to them. Yeah. And that's it's such a convenient thing to say. It's like, well, okay, I can't trust that. So you're wrong. Yeah, the reflecting, like emanating from the surface of the earth bouncing off the atmosphere and then coming back down. And then that's the heat that you're feeling. What about, so when we talk about the atmosphere, when it comes to a flat earther, I know there are some people that think that there's a dome. people to think that there's no dome, why go through the unnecessary step of adding a dome to this? Because I feel like that would just open you up for more questions if you're a flat earther. Then people are like, well, who made the dome? What's the dome made out of? Why would you go to the links to be like, you know what, we're going to put a dome over this in my, in my head? I couldn't tell you. That little snow gold model they have, I don't get it. It don't make sense um shit like the question that really appealed to me was uh like seasons i've they they

can't explain seasons like how do seasons work if there's just two little roulette balls rotating around like what what causes the seasons to change that's i don't know that's a question i i can't believe that i didn't even think of when i was like trying to figure out what the loopholes in here where the season seems like it's a pretty big loophole it was something about like the plants do it okay yeah like the plants got like it was that's that's what i looked i saw that was their explanation well the plants cause it like they're changing colors and then it's like only in the northeast if they're if their whole argument is like we're surrounded by this giant ice wall wouldn't like me just thinking about their little diagram like the places with winter

are closer to the ice wall than like florida you know what i mean yeah but also the the places that are in the center are, they're close to the North Pole, but that's not an ice wall, right? There aren't two, are there two ice walls? No, no, no. There's the circumference. It literally covers the, yeah, the, the outer ring of this snow globe is an ice wall. Okay.

The government is guarding all simultaneously, simultaneously. It's really fucking stupid when I just think about it. Do they think that the earth, on this little plane is like it's moving back and forth like it's oscillating a little bit and that's what explains seasons they're going to eventually just talk themselves into into having a globe eventually like they're redoing the conversations people had in like 5 a d like that's all it is we're just going backwards in their minds yeah skim a little time though they'll come around all right so bill you're talking about the rocket experiment what other what other experiments have they done well they say that the international so sometimes you can see the international space station on a very clear day observatory they say it's a drone that the NASA constantly flies around the earth okay or around this the circle earth um okay this is a good one uh clouds in real life when

you look at them is it just one person that's controlling the drone this it's Obama in the white house I love drones love these things Michelle afraid up I'm going to cut my finger off so we still got to make that video game the Obama simulator this is a day in the life of Obama you just get to like be Obama and Michelle comes into the room she's like sleep with me Obama

fuck me Obama no no no the Obama simulator yeah not now Michelle I'm busy there's a wedding in cereal so so clouds in real life if you stare at clouds so what of their experiment

was like, let's stare at a cloud and see what it does. It's clouds move and dissolve. And they're like saying that the clouds you can see from like the International Space Station's live stream or whatever, they never dissolve. They never move that much. And that, so that was one of their tests,

that the clouds aren't real in their pictures of the globe. The clouds aren't real. I do think that if the government, if we put our minds to it, we could make clouds. We could invent clouds. Let me say this. I'm not down with this theory, but if I was, clouds often resemble different shapes, right? Like, you see funny things in the clouds.

Would it not make sense that if there was somebody in a government lab somewhere drawing up clouds? I'd be like, all right, today the cloud's going to be a rabbit. Tomorrow, the cloud's going to be this. That does actually kind of track. And they would also use that to subliminally steer you in different directions, put thoughts in your mind. Like, I'm going to put, I'm going to, all right, today at NASA, we're going to make a bunch of tits clouds because we need the population to increase. We took a little dip after COVID, so I'm going to have, we're going to do a week of clouds that

look like nipples. What's that, Billy? NASA graphic artists troll us and put faces, dragons, and sex or memes in the clouds. The double rainbow? Yeah. Yeah. I like that. That's one of their other theories where they're putting subliminal messages in the clouds.

Like they're Disney animators putting these things in the way. Yeah, exactly. So that was one of their other theories. This is from this website, like flat earthfacts.com. So, bro, I thought I would, and now I kind of get why like this shit like this is juicy. When I was a kid growing up and I had the VHS tape of the Lion King movie and when Simba plops down, they spell out sex with the leaves, right? When I figured this out, I felt like I had a bombshell that was going to shake the world up. and it just felt so good

and if they think like that I understand how they feel You know there's a big dick on the little mermaid box too I didn't see that Although the scene where they get married on the ship People were saying oh the preacher's got a boner I reviewed that footage

And it's his knees bending It does look like he's got a boner during the wedding But it's actually just him like moving his legs around Watch it again I think that that I buy that explanation But there was absolutely a dick in the castle a pretty graphic one Yes

I've seen it It's got the it's not It's not from the front From the back angle Like you know what I'm saying So you can see the Yep Yeah we know what you're talking about

Yeah To give the flat earthers Cray We know what you're talking about Oh yeah I've seen a difference I got what you I know

The only thing I give them Props for Is that they're skeptical Of NASA And they're skeptical Of the Gatekeeping of Antarctica So could there be

internet, could there be maybe apocalypse bunkers in Antarctica in case global warming happens or something crazy? Could NASA have been elaborating, you know, the U.S.'s space prowess in the Cold War to make the Russians think that we were going to nuke them any day?

Like, this is all possible. Seed vaults in Antarctica. For sure. Yeah, I think that there's definitely some stuff going on down there that they don't make public. But yeah, I agree with Billy on that. It's good. It's actually good that we have these fringes to a certain extent as long as they're not hurting anybody or themselves like

in any healthy society you have to have people that are like questioning even the most basic facts in order to keep everybody else's shit together because if if we were all super gullible then we would try to get away with a lot more shit than we do they're not just there for the penguins no can't be i feel like we figured this one out man you know i feel like we could we can move on from that. Yeah. My biggest problem, my biggest problem, like, with any conspiracy, I try and think, like, all right, like, what's, like, the end game?

What's the end game to centuries ago people being like, oh, yeah, it's round? Like, what if they were just like, oh, it's flat? Like, what would that change in our lives if it was actually flat? Nothing. So the shit that I surmised from that was, and this is like a subset of them, right? Like I said, there's no, there's not a lot of consensus. but I gained that they are trying to hide who the true God is. Okay.

I'm listening. And I don't know how they got to that, right? But it's because if you believe the earth is, a lot of them use the Bible as a references to why the earth is flat. And so it's, it's NASA, it's science, it's the, it's those demonic things that are trying to convince us. us to turn away from the one true God. And that is silly. Yeah, I wouldn't want a true God that couldn't defeat NASA and just show himself. It's a bunch of nerds.

Like, I think I'm going to take God over like seven valedictorians any day. It also, a big loophole on this is that all of NASA must be actors. And if you know anybody that works for NASA, They're not exactly, like, they weren't running the drama club growing up in high school. You know what I'm saying? Like, they weren't getting invited to audition for many movies. So it's like a big group of people who are just like real big nerds, real big bookworms. They worked their entire life.

They studied their entire life because they wanted to get into the big leagues, which if you grow up to be a rocket scientist and you never even get a call from NASA, that's got to feel heartbreaking, right? Shout out quigs. Yeah, shout out quigs. Does he end up working at Barstool as like a graphic design person? We're going to the moon. Although he is great at it.

He's one of America's most talented minds, I think. But like that would be heartbreaking. But the people that end up working for NASA, they are not going to be the ones that are going to be able to play out this conspiracy, like be the actors and pretend that everything's going according to plan. When you see those big shots of them landing a rover on Mars, and these like these career scientists that are just like crying. because they're so happy with their accomplishment.

That's not the type of people that would get employed by Nat. Like Matt Patricia. Think about Matt Patricia trying. He can't even act respectful to football journalists when they're trying to ask him a question after a game. Like he's not an actor. These people are not equipped to just like pull the wool over everybody's eyes like that. So to me, that's kind of you lose me when you start to be like all of NASA.

They're just all crisis actors, you know? But it's not just NASA. It's every governmental space program across the entire world is in on this. And they're all keeping the state. It's like, it's just so much resources just to say that the earth thing. I don't know, man. That's a lot. That's a lot going on in that conspiracy.

Actually, no, an astronaut. There's a dude named Victor Glover, who I think is on the ISS right now. He was on my podcast and like this other podcast I ran in like 2017, I believe. And so I know an astronaut. It's wild, and he's in space. Yeah, can you do a podcast with him from space? I'm unsure of that reception. I don't know.

Yeah, that's crazy. I always thought a great lie to tell to girls at a bar would be I'm an astronaut. I don't really have the look of an astronaut, but if you're looking for a made-up background story, Billy, you could say, like, I'm an astronaut. You just need a crew cut. Yeah, well, yeah, you right now, you could just straight up be, you could tell people. that you're astronauts, and I think people would believe you. You look like an astronaut. Yeah, give a shot.

I got a little buzz light-your type look. Don't you also, you get taller when you go to space? I think I read that somewhere. Decompresses your spine. Yeah, you can grow a couple inches. I would send, like, a college quarterback up into orbit for a couple weeks. Hands get bigger. Right before the combine.

Right before the combine. Maybe they are. Maybe the NFL's part of it. Kyle Murray's 5-11 all of a sudden. Yeah. all right well uh does that about cover everything that we wanted to get to today the only other thing i found that i found even remotely interesting was one of the biggest people pushing it in the 19th century was was washington irving so

every once in a while in irving comes along and is just like this shit is flat either um either arian is really fucked up like really stoned right now or is video froze i choose to believe that he's just faded. He just said the power in his house went out. Oh, he, we lost power down in Texas. Yeah. It's the aliens. Big math. They don't, they shut this down. Yeah. They shut this down. Got to admit, not a great look for us round earthers. No, it's not. All right. You know what? We're on the right side. You know what? Fuck it. It's flat. That's what I'm going to say. We're in, we're dealing with a flat earth right now. We lost Aaron. I think that we probably covered everything we wanted to, right? Yeah, we could thank

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about some stuff that I probably should never have learned about, but it was a good conversation. Coley, thank you for joining us. Yeah, my YouTube algorithm is fucked now. Actually, I did have one more question. Coley, maybe you can help me out with this. But when it comes to Kyrie, walk me through again like what his beliefs are because the way I remember it is they asked him a question at an all-star game and he tossed it out there like some people believe that the earth is round like I'm always asking questions about whether or not it's flat then he said he was joking and trolling with it but then later on he was like yeah no I actually kind of believe this is that yeah I mean my memory of Kyrie like I feel like I was in some sort of like terrible relationship based on my personal attachment to the Celtics and his career. But like in one of the videos I watched today, like they used him. It was like LeBron leaned back. And it was like, Hey, Kyrie is an interesting guy.

He thinks outside the box. And then he just like leans over. And Kyrie is in a different press conference. And LeBron's just like, hey, Kyrie, the earth's flat, right? And Kyrie's like, sure is. And it just kind of like, the media just took it from there and made such a big, thing out of it that he was just like this was what I was talking about like if I say anything you guys run with it like that's why I was bringing up that whole election too there was such a fucking shit ton of anti-media trust that this flat earth thing became almost like a rallying cry for people who are like question everything and this was like the first question was oh you just take this at face value that the earth's round like well I think it's flat Um, and so Kyrie, I think Kyrie was playing more like devil's advocate.

Like you should think differently. I hope I pray he believes it's round. I don't, you never really fucking know with him. Um, but I do think his original goal was just to troll people and get them off his back and be like, hey, I'm going to say something outlandish. now they're going to fill up every show in America with this. And then it just kept happening for months on end. Yeah, I tend to agree with you that Kyrie's a big, I'm just asking questions, guy.

You can never be wrong about anything if you're just asking questions. It's always healthy to ask questions. Two things, actually going back to last week's episode, you can always say, I'm just waiting for all the facts to come out. Just you should always, we're all waiting for all the facts to come out all the time. And it's always appropriate to just be asking questions about anything. because no one will be able to pin you down on something you're wrong about. If you're, you can be obscenely wrong about everything and be like, yeah, I'm just asking questions.

Listen, I was just wondering if there were weapons of mass destruction. Don't act like I said that there were, we're all just asking questions here. You should wait until all the facts come out. Yeah, it really covers your ass. It really does. So, yeah, we did, we did lose Aaron. He's off the grid right now. The last thing that he said, before, I don't know if this.

came across in the recording. It seemed like it was kind of fuzzy, but he said, I have information that will lead to the arrest and conviction of Hillary Rodham Clinton. And so then he kind of fuzzed out, I don't know, it probably had, it probably had nothing to do with him losing all his power and his entire home. Billy's actually sending his friends to raid him, his SWAT team, is breaking through the ceiling like Mission Impossible in Aryan's house. Billy, Big T, Coley, do you guys have anything to say before we head out? I love this podcast. Thank you, Billy.

Billy has surpassed expectations for this podcast. I like Smart Billy. I really like him a lot. No, no. Thank you so much for having me involved. Thank you, Pink, T. Thank you, Coley. Thank you, Avery.

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If we hit 20,000 subscribers. I'm not doing drugs. In a month, in a month, in a month, in a month, if we had 20,000 subscribers, you have to. No. I do not agree. Y'all got the wrong person to be on a drug podcast. It's not a drug podcast. Not drug guys, not drug guys again.

But in the event that y'all wanted to make some sort of pack that if we had 20,000... Therapeutic mind expanding. I can't agree about it. Bouncing your brain. Come on. Give me a number. Give me a number that you think is... It would have to be something.

So it would have to be something equally as outlandish as believing the earth is flat. That's how high... A hundred thousand. We get a plaque. That's not outlandish. Yes, it is. A hundred thousand in one month? A million.

What? No, big... A million and I will pop... I'll pop the drug. We can buy... 50s deaders yeah yeah it's fine okay deal 100,000 in a month no I don't think we're gonna be able to okay deal sure okay 100,000 a month you'll do drugs on the podcast you should not talk so fast next time pft yeah big tea never go car shopping because that was the worst negotiation

I mean this is this is so stupid like sure three treat three cheat yeah we'll just end up dosing you anyways you won't even know we got to get the big hitters now you gotta get like a rod to retweet you got to get the big hitters yeah this is one we pull it all out. Hell yeah. Get Big T. Get Big T tripping. That's what the T's saying.

Big tripping. That is actually a thing. You can just add like anything to big. Like my friends just say big whatever now. And that's just what it is. Yeah. So I walk by Danielle every day. And when I do,

I started to call her Big D because that's the name of the singer of a sky band. It's a band called Big D in the Kids Table. So I called her Big D one time. And then I was like, that doesn't sound. right saying that to a nice young lady. So I attract it. How about Long Island Ice D instead?

And she went with that. There you go. Yeah. Have a responsible relationship with substances. Don't do anything stupid kids. Okay. Agreed. Well, that does it for us today.

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