Macrodosing: Arian Foster and PFT Commenter - Fyre Festival ft. Billy McFarland

Episode Date: January 19, 2023

On today's episode of Macrodosing, the crew is BACK with a major guest, the head of Fyre Fest, Billy McFarland (2:29:38). You'll hear everything from the start of his business endeavors to the downfall of Fyre Fest. Also, Big T is very T'd Off about the price of eggs. All of this and so much more on today's show. Enjoy!You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/macrodosing

Hey, macrodosing listeners. You can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. How about George Foreman naming all of his kids, George? Did he really? Yeah. Name George 1, George 2, George 3, George 4. Georgina, where's the daughter?

That's so weird, dog. Yeah. I mean, you have to grow up presenting your dad a little bit, right? If he names all of you after him. I mean, names in general, when you think about it kind of rather. Like, why don't I get to name myself? Like, why do, like, as a baby, like, I just picked for me. But this should just be reserved names until you reach the age.

Like, I want to be called this. You know what I mean? And that's my name. Or until you do something cool enough to get your name. Ooh, you got to earn your name. I love it. Got to earn that name. I mean, back in the day, you used to get last names based off what your job was.

My name would be PFT podcaster. And then I'd have, like, kids 800, 900 years from now that, or growing up in whatever the future version of the United States is. And they're going to be like, oh, hi, I'm John Podcaster. Oh, your grandfather. He did a, he did a, yeah, he did, he did, he did a Roman Swipes ad reads. Well, my last name either comes from two places and one of them, if it was of that just like trade craft name, would have been just cottage builders, but then the other side is like

a bunch of nor like Norse mercenaries that like colonized Ireland. So it's either that one or just cottage builders. When we rewrite our own constitution, we're going to put that in there. Yeah, I like that. Earn your last name. Big T's great, great grandparents were just very, very lazy, very sleepy. Why is that? Your last name's Nap.

Oh, got it. Madeline was just, you know, just pulling schemes on guys named Roy. Yeah. You swindled your great, great. Great Great Grandmother swindled the fuck out of a Roy. Yeah. Like my great, great, great grandmother is the original Tinder swindler.

Yeah. A con that goes right into the topic for today. It does. Big, big show today. Welcome back to macro dosing. It is Thursday. Nailed it. January 19th.

Thursday, January 19th. We've got a huge, huge show. Billy McFarland is going to be our guest. He came into the studio. And he had. Believe it or not, a lot in common with our billy. It was Spider-Man meme, two Billy's meeting each other. Not that much of common.

One of us has been to prison. One of us hasn't. Yeah, you're right. He's more like hardcore than you. Yeah. But it's, there are a lot of similarities between you two. Not in, not in like necessarily, well, yeah, probably in some bad ways. No, come on.

But I can't just freight. This is like saying I'm like Casey Anthony. No. No. No, it's not. He's, I mean, innocent. Like, can we just stop? Yeah, she's innocent.

I thought it was, I thought it was a good conversation that we had. And there were some moments where you guys bonded a little bit. No, we didn't bond. You're like really hyping that up. Okay. And you, you, you was simping for him. I wasn't simping for him. By the way, on our last conversation,

Arian Foster literally translates to Argentina. That's good. I like that. Yeah, it always stops with black people because there's slave names, you know. The funds over guys. Funds over slave names. Yeah. Yeah.

But I'm excited for you guys to hear the Billy McFarland interview. Interesting guy. He's, I guess, out of prison trying to get his life back together. But, man, he had to leave that up to interpretation. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you'll see. You'll find out later. We did maybe talk him into a couple of business ventures that he sounded like he was on board with.

I'm going to be honest. He had so many ideas. I mean, if you're in prison for that long time, you're probably just only thinking of ideas when you get out. Yeah, I mean, if I went to prison, I think that I would probably come out in great shape. Yeah. Oh, easily. I get so jacked. By the way, Christmas abs, Super Bowl Labs had a minor setback last week.

Oh, fuck. I forgot about Super Bowl Labs. Yeah. It didn't happen. I'm going to start tomorrow, like everybody else. We're starting tomorrow. I'm starting already right now. I had a salad for lunch today.

Damn, I just ordered a Dr. Pepper. I'm probably going to drink that. Yeah, you should. Dr. Pepper's delicious. It's amazing. I got COVID last week. Unfortunately, we talked about that on the show for a little bit. But when it did, the worst part about COVID now isn't the COVID.

The worst part about COVID is just you stay in your house and then you order bad for you food and you lose track of your diet. So that's the real danger that COVID had on me. I just ordered a bunch of delivery food, got fat, weighed myself this morning at the gym. 188 pounds. 188. back up to where I was last year at the start of football season 188 pounds

I don't know what I was a month ago but I suspect I was about 178 I think I've gained 10 pounds in the last month I think a lot of what you're playing weight what's your playing weight 175 you're not far off that's easy yeah but the thing if I want abs if I want the abs to show I think I have to be about 160

yeah abs are so overrated. Well, I want to have abs at some point. By the way, I think a lot of your mass gainage has been since we've been lifting. I think there's some muscle in there. But I didn't lift all last week.

But I was lifting before that. Yeah. So there might be some muscle weight in there. I don't know. We can't. We can't sell macrodose in swim gear until one of us have abs. I can't do it. I nominate pig tea. Don't be waiting a while. I need to drop

a few pounds. I acknowledge that. I'm ready to get started on again. So hopefully Super Bowl Labs will... They're not just a pipe dream. I actually, I consider getting liposuction, but I'm not going to do that. I think I'm going to try the...

The fat-burning thing. No. Is that a cool-sculpting? I'm going to try it. Oh, cool-sculpting. Those fat burners fuck you up. I mean, the cool sculpting? I thought about it.

It makes your stomach look like you had a C-section a little bit. if you want that for yourself is that cool i think that is that in no i think that's i think that's for people who like don't know how to proportionally work out like i know how to target areas like i think that's what it is like it's not it's not a quick fix there's so interesting is spot workouts what is what are you talking about like you're saying that you can work out certain areas and reduce the fat in that specific area yeah that is not true at all that's really you can You can target the area you want to focus. What are you talking about?

Like to build muscle or to lose fat? We're having two separate conversations that kind of mean the same thing here. Arian's right that if you work out your core, you can make your abs bigger and more prominent. But Billy's right in that you can't, if you want to burn fat, the fat will burn all over your body at the same proportion. You can't be like, I want to lose fat on my stomach. No, that's not what she said, though. So it's like when you cool-scoped, it literally kills the fat cells around. And then, like, people don't know how to, like, target workout.

They don't really know how to work out those. They think it's just gone. And it's just, like, uneven deposits. And so if you work out and target your core, it should look okay. I might cool-sculpe. We'll see. What's that process? Like, I do it.

Honestly, I might just box again just like get hacked. I just this picture that popped up on my Instagram of a lady cool scoped and a dude. And it's just wild because like she has the thing on his stomach and he's sitting back and just like smiling. But if you like, if you like block out the actual device, it looks like she's, you know, doing a little job on him. I'm going to send it. It's fucking hilarious. How much does it cost? from my the ads that keep popping up because I talked about it a few times I believe it's around

it's like 500 700 dollars let's look up the science behind it what does it mean we're gonna we're gonna get to the bottom of cool sculpting on this episode Billy's gonna figure it out once and for all if it actually works like what the fuck if it works I will get cool sculpted I would get cool sculpting low level laser so for my for my understanding for the little research I did it literally just like freezes the the fat cells and then flushes them through your lymphatic system. And so it's not like a quick fix, but it does flush them out naturally and it and it does work.

But the issue is people think it's like a liposuction and you don't have to do anything. So it's more for people who are active and like constantly work out. It'll it'll really make a difference. That's what I've seen from the people that actually makes a difference on. It's from people who actually work out and are active. And for people who are just chilling, if fat just comes right back. you don't you ain't yeah wait but let's be real here if you were freezing fat cells like freezing human flesh yeah that's frostbite well it's not flesh no it's not skin frostbite frostbite isn't frostbite

skin it's skin but well let's check this let's check that out like like the only thing is like okay we're freezing something what happens when your body gets way too cold in a certain area frostbite that's that's so i'm like what are they giving you internal actually i don't know why are you not getting frostbite when you get cool sculpted that's a good question like

cryolypolis and its mechanism of action is a completely different modality from the techniques discussed so far i'm just trying to figure out but the thing is your lymphatic system right yeah let's let's talk about lymph nodes

well so does that mean that you end up pissing it out or pooping it out. Well, the thing is the lymphatic system is a very sensitive system. And you don't want to mess with that because that's how, like, you end up with Hodgkin's lymphoma, like swollen lymph nodes. But the lymphatic system, if it's, if it's taking out stuff that's already in your body, it's not like we're putting a chemical into the lymphatic system. Yeah, but you're fucking with it with some frequencies. We're putting, we're putting fat into it. Yeah, but dead fat that's been killed with frequencies of some sort.

And let's be real, like that kind of sounds like damaged DNA. in there, what's damaged DNA when it starts replicating. I think you should read about it before you make all this shit out that you're talking about. You're casting a lot of aspers. I'm just making a lot of shit up. I think like it could be

counterpoint. I'm going to be so fucking hot. It could be cause cancer. You're taking bits and pieces of information that you know and you're throwing them in a hat and saying, I think I have a theory. Well, yeah. That's true.

I mean, that's what, that's why would I be on this podcast? That's what I do. That's what the fuck I do. That's what I do. Yeah, dude, like what? You think I'm trying to think rationally right now? That's actually describing Billy's brain to a T. Like, the fuck?

He picks up pieces of information and then he extrapolates that onto new information that he learns. And he creates his own reality sometimes. And that's why we love him. And my world is sick. A vultron of bad ideas. I might cool scope. Let's see. Let's check it out.

Maybe I'm going to hop into the giant freezer and get fucking jacked up on abs. It's not. They literally take a thing and they put it over the fat that they want to freeze. And so it's not like you're in a cold tank. It's like they literally target the areas. They zap you. I'm going to get zapped. I'll get zapped. I know Mad Dog. Let's do it. Matt, Mad Dog keeps saying that. She's like, you know, if anybody out there wants to get us all. If anyone wants to give us free, cool sculpting, I'll think about it. I got a friend I can talk to.

This is, I don't know, guys. It's actually Joey's friend. You don't know, guys. This not so cool. Because like the thing is, when there's only good things to say about a certain product, that means that there's someone scrubbing shit. I just told you that some people look like they got C-sections. But there's no incision.

Look at, look at Julia Fox. Oh, my God. Oh, did she take that thing away? What? Julia Fox, does she still got, you know, backyard? Yeah, she's all got on the back. Okay. Go look at her.

don't know though she's gotten way skinnier since she did uncut jam there's also something called cocaine billy go look at her stuff that affects gains yeah that's what makes you lose weight i'm pretty sure that she's been don't want to don't want to insinuate anything she's been spent a lot of time with connie west that probably takes it out of you too well she's done with that i almost feel like i mean i bet he did do cocaine at some point it's like but it does does he do cocaine now it doesn't strike me as a coke guy like i feel like he thinks that's unholy now i feel like he thinks that's unholy Yeah, it doesn't strike me I don't get drug vibes

Yeah, I feel like he can think I don't think he does I think he's just naturally high I think he's just High on life man Good for him Just say no kids One day you can end up

With the brain like Kanye's His brain just got a little bit too much air in it I think he needs drugs And you too can love Nazis He needs to do more drugs Cool sculpting horror stories That would maybe work yeah Like if Kanye West got into

Psychedelics Imagine the beats he would come out Wow. Yeah, because like when you juxtapose pre-LSD Beatles versus post-LSD Beatles is the night and day difference. I think Kanye West has been too sober

his entire life. He needs to start... I'm on this. He needs to experiment with drug. Same thing with Zach Wilson. Mormon quarterback. Maybe if he started picking up a drinking habit or something, Billy, he would throw all those interceptions.

I know. Wait, guys. So I think I found what the paradoxical adipose hyperplasia so sometimes that's a big ass word that you don't know what it is sometimes what happens is people get basically because they squeeze the fat and burn it it's like you sometimes end up with like permanent disfigurement in the shape of like like that little bump of fat at the bottom of your stomach yeah that ends up getting pushed together and you end up it looks like you just have a sticking out piece of fat like a stick of butter just on the bottom you get a

mound you just get a mound yeah let me see the mound how bad is this mound send it send it it's like it's got to go somewhere like because when you gain it back i guess after it gets it's rare but treatable oh it's rare but treatable oh it's rare but treatable but I it's not worth the risk I'd rather just be fat I'd rather What's the risk This I'm I'm thinking about doing this

I put in my time I deserve abs but I just don't have them I agree with that I deserve a matter of time I've spent in the fucking gym The last like three four years Even before that Like when I was actually in good shape

Playing sports and stuff Never had abs because I already had I always had that little That little pooch I'm with you, Arian We deserve it We owe it to ourselves To give us to- We deserve this

So I'm cutting this corner With a fucking barber's precision I'm giving myself a lineup Downstairs I like it And I actually think Maybe I'm just lying to myself about this I think that if I got abs

I could keep them The problem is just getting there I have a good lifestyle Yeah I agree Because I'm not excessively wild with it You know Yeah So when we get them

We're gonna We're gonna keep them Abbs for life. So you see that how it goes from just being that thing in the middle. You just go from being regular fat. So all the way on the left was what it first looked like. That dude is jacked up on the left. Why that guy get cool?

Because he probably had a little bit of fat at the bottom he couldn't get rid of. And then he ended up just getting that thing in the middle, which was all of his fat just concentrated at the base of his stomach. Billy, are you sure it doesn't go right to left? Good question, mad dog. these before and after pictures are tricky sometimes because they're tan on the left and I feel like usually when you're tan that's the after picture in Arabic do in Arabic countries do they do they do before and after pictures

wait do you know I'm talking about yeah the one in the middle is what I'm talking about I know what you're talking about but I'm saying I think it goes right to left instead of left to right like I think this man looks better after yeah No, but that after picture is when they fix it. Whose computer is that? Online. Billy. Billy's been putting together a presentation.

A big presentation. You'll have to follow him online to figure out what it is. But he's been trying to get to... Going to need it. Going on all expenses paid vacation as he does. Oh, come on. Big T. We didn't get to this on Tuesday's episode, but where do you teed off about?

Anything tee up? I mean, it's hard to even get teed off anymore, you know? I mean, Joe's hiding documents wherever he wants, like eggs are $38 a dozen. Let's talk about the egg situation. CDC can't cover up. I noticed that the other day. Eggs are like $10 at the grocery store. I think it's like bird flu.

I mean, it's always been $10 where I shop. But now everyone else is paying $10 for their eggs. Well, you know, it's crazy getting your own hens, I think a hen is cheaper. than like two boxes of eggs right now. Yeah, so it's more economical to buy your own chicken. Yeah, so I still have my own chickens upstate and I've just been getting those eggs. You've been going on egg runs?

Yeah. So why are eggs so expensive? Because I've seen firsthand that they're super expensive. I've seen people complaining about it online, which I totally agree with. If eggs go up to $10, something is fucked up. But I've done zero research as to why eggs are so expensive. this is the beauty of this show.

Billy right now is researching online, pulling up, I'm sure, very reputable sources. And we're going to have your answer momentarily, unless anybody already knows. Does anybody already know? I thought I saw some about an avian flu of some kind.

There's always an avian flu. Yeah, that should be baked in at this point. Wait, do the chickens, did they die of avian flu, or did they die with avian flu? Or were they given the government's count? Propositions. It seems like they die on avian flu. Well, it looks like a new...

Seems like a plandemic of chickens. It looks like a new... Plandemic of chickens. I, so there is... We've got all the cockyments right here. Sorry, go ahead, Bill. Why are eggs expensive? Oh, yeah, I thought that was...

You're just now typing that in? The first thing... Okay, so you know what I just text I just got? So, here, read this. it's great podcast okay bill billy's showing me his phone it says that he's used all his data my high speed mobile hotspot data because i'm connected to the wifi we have we have internet here right but in this corner it doesn't fucking work it works frequently bro i'm just like hang on hang on hang you're literally two feet from his laptop you're telling it from there to there it doesn't work no

big cat talks about it all the time i'm literally saying so do what so do why the internet sucks the internet the whole office sucks i know well this i think we're they position the thing it sucks right here and it's not it's not all right i'm going to do billy's job for him prices continue to skyrocket up 60% in december from a year earlier last year the average price for a dozen large grade a eggs in the u.s was 193 okay by December when egg demand peaked i know that december was was egg demand a log uh good point yeah baking and most importantly the nog the price searched to 425 okay so this is Oh, so recent events have created a perfect storm to send egg prices soaring.

Some of the components that are contributing to record egg prices and help to explain why eggs are so expensive right now include avian flu, rising feed costs, which may be geopolitical because of wheat and corn. Yeah, and you create cage-free regulations, higher gas prices, the holidays, popularity of vegetarian meals and keto lifestyles, designer eggs, overall inflation, and eggs be eaten at all meals. Wait, they're blaming us. Glad we're, of course.

I did have to take an eggs for lunch. It's good that we're getting this out of the way, you know, before Easter hits because that shit's really going to spike up then. Oh, wow. I'm going to buy, I'm going to buy stock and eggs. The war in Ukraine and sanctions against Russia for the past year. Easter, with these egg prices being what the way they are? All right.

Billy, a new topic for you. Okay. Because I think we get the general gist, which is there's a bird flu and then wheat and wheat shortage. Oh. And then also because. they figured out that we'll pay it. This is interesting.

Ukraine was the largest supplier of sunflower seeds, which was a huge component in a lot of high quality egg feeds. Okay, so chicken feed, yeah. Billy, new assignment. Cage-free regulations. New assignment. Well, those have already existed. They're just wrapping up all the stuff into one.

All right, so, Billy, new assignment. Find out what companies I can buy stock in where eggs, the price of eggs. as it stays up, how will I profit? There may be a commodity. Yeah, look up like the big egg commodity. Because I think,

I think Arian is right on the money. We got Easter. Why does it say that egg demand increases the most in December? That is bullshit. Well, that's why everyone's cooking. Yeah, but people are buying eggs willy-nilly in the springtime

and not even cooking them. They're just drawing on them. That's the real. egg season. Did you not eat the hard boiled eggs that you would call it? I don't remember. I don't like hard boiled eggs, but my mom would like eat all of the eggs that we would color because they're just hard boiled eggs colored.

I just bet that there's a lot of eggs that get thrown out around Easter that don't get eaten. That's true. I think you're underestimating how much baking goes on during the holiday season that involves a lot of eggs and just cooking in general. Like you need eggs for stuffing? Yeah, it's true. Cookies.

cakes mashed potatoes mashed potatoes well wait no no I don't put eggs and mashed potatoes but it does go back

to it I had this question I think we talked about a couple weeks ago why do we just eat eggs in the morning who labeled eggs as being a morning food now they're on burgers

eggs should be an I don't know but I'm so glad that that's a thing though what about like Korean barbecue would they put eggs in your bulgogi

well I think I eat eggs I'm pretty sure I'm gonna die because I eat too so much eggs. I'm with it all the day, all day, but it's, I think it goes well. Like, breakfast food, it just, unless you have eggs, it doesn't feel right.

It feels funny, you know what I mean? Like, oh, it is down right now. We got to hop on this. What is it? NASDAQ, calm. Tell me, tell me the name of the stock bill. C-A-L-M. C-L-L-M.

C-L-L-M, C-A-L-L-M, C-A-L-L-M, C-A-L-L-L-L-E. that's it let me see exactly NASDAQCOM it's down 5504 down from it was at a high 56 on January 18th

look at one month oh it's down big time over a month it was high in December which I guess the cyclical nature of egg buying that we talked about it peaked in December but it's currently rising

over the current egg crisis. I'm looking at this bill. It's like at an all-time high right now. So I'm looking in what graph are you looking at? Calm, Calameen Foods. Yeah. I'm looking at the five-year chart. It's basically at its all-time high.

Over the course of the last year, it's down a little bit from its peak, but it's still up 34% year-over-year. Yeah. So it seemed, can you find me one that's down a little bit more? Okay. Well, this, I'm saying it's down from where it was a, December because it's January

December was its all time high but it's down now so it could bounce back up in the spring. All right you know what fucking I'm going to buy okay I'm buying I'm buying stock uh egg stock eggs what eggs do they make they they do

land of lakes uh egg lands best land a lakes let's look what the most popular selling eggs are got it just got it how much you get it about about one share for $55 $55.55.509. That was my strike price. So follow along with my portfolio at home. I'm not a licensed investment advisor. I don't know I'm talking about,

but I just bought one share. I only had $57 in my Robin Hood account for some reason. I forget why. I probably sold some stock that absolutely cratered and lost a lot of money on it. I'm going to Schwab. So whatever, 55 bucks. Let's party Deregulate the egg markets Biden Brandon Holy shit

Jesus Christ I did not want to pull up my Schwab account We're not doing anything Okay So Big T mentioned it Our beautiful president Joe Biden

Has been discovered That he has What five boxes Of confidential information Who knows how many Is good news is We impeach for that now We didn't make those rules

so got impeach. Okay, did we? I forget Trump's been impeached so much. I forget, was that one of the reasons? That was one of the, yeah. But that was after the fact. No, he wasn't trying to impeach. They were trying to arrest him for that.

I thought they wanted him. I don't think he got impeached for that, didn't it? No, he got impeached for the, for Ukraine. He got impeached for. It was after he was the president when that should happen. Well, they impeached him. They tried to impeach for so much. It's hard to keep up.

Well, January 6th, he got impeached for that. he didn't get impeached I think he did get impeached yeah no it was twice he didn't get convicted but he got so you get impeached when it passes when it passes the house

that's you've been impeached hey if you don't got haters you ain't popping like Clinton got impeached it's facts haters are your marketing team that's true it's very true so wait so

I only know what I read in the news so maybe Big T you could educate me if I'm wrong the Trump stuff he had a bunch of boxes at Mar-a-Lago did not turn him over to the archives. And then he, like, entered a negotiating process with the Department of Justice in the archives.

And then he was, like, holding on to him as, as probably my, my guess is that Trump wasn't like selling secrets to anybody. That's not why he wanted the confidential information. My best guess with Trump is that if he has something that he knows that you want for whatever reason, it could be because it's the law. It could be because he just, I don't know, this is how he operates. They wanted something that he had. And so he was going to try to extract concessions from them in exchange for him turning the stuff over.

Because he always thinks, okay, I've got something somebody else wants. That's an asset for me in the long run. So I don't think he was like selling secrets to the Chinese or anything like that. I think he was just like, oh, you want this thing that I have? Well, guess what? I'm powerful. You're not. So I'm going to hang on to it for as long as possible.

So now with Biden, they found a bunch of confidential stuff that he had like in his garage, which is fucked up. which is not where he keeps his Corvette please please keep that in check where does he keep the Corvette I forget he was like and I do not keep my Corvette in that garage I mean here okay if he protects his Corvette with the same protection as those

documents I think I mean well that's a good point Billy I wish that he did keep the documents in his Corvette garage because then he'd be taken care of him yeah so but that was the whole point of that statement so wait wait so Big T maybe you can educate me on this because I admittedly am out of the loop

a little bit. So they self-reported that they found these documents. And there's a bunch of them. And so now they're in the process of giving them back to whoever it is that wants them, right? I don't know that. Okay. Yeah, it's basically it's basically it. That's the difference between the Trump and the Biden one is the Joe Biden's lawyers were like, hey, we have the shit and we're going to cooperate fully. Trump's lawyers were like lying about the shit, lying about what was there lied about how is there it's so that's the difference i mean Biden was lying for years

the DOJ the DOJ subpoenaed and he didn't appease uh he didn't adhere to the subpoena this is a very big difference but Biden has been apparently lying by hiding documents in his garage okay if he has in fact been hiding them in his garage then I think that he should be arrested

and he goes back to my oldest do they get in his garage There's a lot of stuff in a lot of people's garages You either have to The garage is where you just put everything You either have to admit That this is probably something That happens with every political person And that they all probably have shit

At their houses that they shouldn't Or that he's a criminal I think it's probably more of the Former Where like you move all your shit out of the White House But remember how that wasn't the case Very recently But again like I get

It was it was was they was sure they were kind of harping on you have documents you shouldn't have but it was more so that he wasn't complying especially with the DOJ was like yo like compliant he was like no that was the bigger story it was because he wasn't complying again and he started and he was lying about it like that's that's the thing both bad but i think that once trump found out that he had the stuff he was like well i'm not going to give it to you just because you asked who are you you're not me also i was wrong uh the Peter Ducey said classified materials next to your Corvette, what were you thinking?

Biden responded, quote, my Corvette's in a locked garage, okay, so it's not like they're sitting out on the street. So they were with his Corvette. Okay, good, good, good. Yeah, no. His baby. Yeah. He was protecting him. It was locked. At least Hunter didn't have access to this house, right? Who knows? He was paying rent in it? Yeah, that's, I think the thing is Hunter did have access to this house. I'm sure. Hunter, that's probably where Hunter was, and the hookers and Probably where he was making his crack. What if that's the confidential material that Biden had was like the CIA step-by-step

manual from the 1980s on how to cook crack cocaine? The Reagan manual? Yeah. And so Hunter Biden was just using his dad's old family recipe for crack. And the Nancy Reagan. That's funny. Gluck gluck tutorial. Whoa.

But yeah, I mean, I could, if I was a lawyer, a good lawyer would be able to argue like he was just, he was just. cooking up the family recipe, guys. Like that old vintage crack. You know, the good stuff. There's an egg shortage, so he was going back to the good stuff. That would be very funny, though, if Hunter Biden was just like, if that's where he had a stack of Pyrex and baking soda, and he just, like, moved those one day. And then underneath all that stuff was these classified materials.

We should be able to laugh at Hunter. That's what I'm saying. All parties. I mean, I don't think any of the people that Hunter was hanging around with would actually have any use for a lot of those documents. Because in the same way that January 6th, when they stormed the Capitol on January 6th, they kept looking through the documents on all the, you know, in the house chamber's desks. And they're like, we got to find something. What is in here? Yeah.

Did they lie? I found one of Nancy Pelosi's bras. Did Ted Cruz lie? It's like pulling one of this giant novelty handkerchiefs out of a drawer. Did he go against us? Remember they're trying to read the documents? They're like, wait, Ted Cruz voted nay on this? What does it mean?

Yeah. Was this the bill of the vote? Yeah. That was very funny when they were getting to the bottom of the shenanigans. So, yeah, I guess it's a house that Hunter had access to, but 50K in rent a month is pretty steep. All right, so I did a little bit of digging on that because I saw that. I was like, wait a second. Was Hunter Biden really paying his dad $50,000 a month to rent out his house?

because that is that's a lot of money and then i found some other sources that were saying that this $50,000 was for his office suite that for his business that he was renting out and there was some uh convolution on where that money was so he was paying somebody else that amount of money for his actual rent for his office and i think he wrote that $49,000 figure on like a gun application where it was saying like how much money do you spend a month on rent. And so he was writing what he spent on rent for his office space while giving his home address on that same form. Does that make sense? So it's like, Billy, if you paid $10,000 a month to rent out barstool sports, if that was coming out of your pocket. And then somebody was doing like a credit

check on you and said, okay, what's your home address? And you wrote your home address. And then they asked you like, what is your monthly rent? And then you wrote what your monthly rent on was for Barstall sports. That's what I've seen because if it's true that it's $50,000 that he's like paying to his dad, that's kind of fucked up for Joe Biden to be charging his son 50,000. Well, you know what's fucked up. Joe Biden is pushing gun reform and his son's buying guns. So like, hey, like illegal ones?

Well, I mean, we're looking. I mean, he wants to take away all guns. That's been said. I'm saying that has been said. Like, he's stumbled around it. He doesn't even know what he's saying. Biden's definitely said several times, like, I'm not taking your guns away. I'm a gun owner.

Biden's like, I remember even like way back in the day, Biden. Well, he's changed. Probably next to the boxes in his Corvette. I think that was one of the, he also said that he was, you know, top of his law class. That was one of the malarkey situations. And then he went to Delaware State, a school he did go to. Yeah. If we sat here and listed all of Joe Biden's lives, we'd be here all night.

Super predators, but, you know. There's a lot of malarkey. that was Hillary, by the way, that said super predators. He also said, Joe Biden wanted, uh, again, again, if we sat and got into Joe Biden's transgression. Yeah. Uh, Hunter Biden claimed in 2018, he paid over $49,000 a month in rent while loving at his dad's Delaware house. Joe Biden's 2017 tax return on schedule E listed $19,800 in rent received.

In 2018, Biden listed no rent received. Okay. So that, that would indicate that lock them up. That would indicate that Hunter's, well, Hunter should have been locked up a long. time ago. That to me, Big T, what you just said. Lock him up. Indicates that Hunter listed the rent that he was paying on his office building on that form for $49,000. Maybe it's under current residence. Yeah, no, he listed his address, current residence, and then there was another section for how much you pay in rent. I think he listed his office space because I don't, that to me doesn't

seem realistic. I guess, yeah. You're paying your dad $50,000 a month in rent. Well, if you're I'm wash some money unless I'm really missing something you know let's say you're getting kickbacks what's more likely let me ask you let's say you're on a couple boards what's more likely that he he listed his office space rent on that thing or that there's like an international scandal that he given that it's hunter Biden we're talking about international scam oh I think hutter Biden is a real big like local scandal guy can get I ask you a question yeah why the fuck does hunter Biden need an office I don't know what he does he's an artist why the fuck does he need an office to be a red thought well i mean that that was that was that was not smart do you know any

artists i know but let's say i know they all have offices studios they have studios also he's not an artist so what that's he's an international energy mogul right so like what why does he need an office well he has he's got these ukrainian jobs that he has to take care of yeah he just shows up that he gets a bag of cash in the hotel and then he goes home after sitting and listening to the No, I mean, he, he's probably not barred anymore, but he was a lawyer, so he, I, it's not, it's not crazy to think that he has an office. I think most president's sons, but why have an office? Chelsea Clinton definitely had an office. The Bush twins definitely had an office. Jenna Bush-Shaker's the last woman that needs an office. Yeah, let's be real. Like, why, where, what are they doing in the office? I have no, I do. I do not care what Hunter Biden does. Do you? Yeah, I don't understand any obsession about Hunter Biden. Who gives a fuck what he's doing? Because, I mean, like, think about several global issues and, you know, maybe global movements, maybe associated with interactions with the Biden presidency through Hunter Biden. I think you think 100, you think Hunter Biden is starting to war, are you green?

No, but I think. So, I mean, what are you saying? I think that certain dealings with the Biden administration have been navigated through Hunter Biden, which I don't think is a reliable actor. in dealing with U.S. national security risk or national interest. Hunter Biden is the key to geopolitics right now. I don't think that Hunter

I think he may be a cog in it. He's probably done some shit to get some money like every other politician's family member. It's just so uninteresting. Let's say, okay, hypothetical. Let's say Hunter Biden, who's on the board of many, I think, I don't know the exacts, but it's either one or a couple

Ukrainian gas companies with the promise that we will ensure that Ukraine becomes the main gas supplier to Europe if we give you this money. If you secure and sort of cut off Russia's influence on Europe with gas supply and make Ukraine the main gas supplier through your, if your father wins the presidency and we'll pay you. Is that the craziest thing with everything that's going on? Yeah. And let's say a president's call and said, what is what is what is what is

Hunter Biden have to do with his dad winning the election like do you think he influenced the election to have his dad win to make his deal fall through like this is bat shit let's say there was funding I actually think that these things to Hunter Biden is like the biggest pain in the ass for his dad ever like I don't think his dad views him as an asset

I think his dad's like how'd you put a pain you know maybe put him to work if you want to be you know if you want to make up for all the pain you put me through go to Ukraine put your put your skin in the game and go make some dealings get some funding you know but hey this is a hypothetical i don't know if this happened i don't know if the documents and uh you know evidence is all right there on the internet i don't know this is i would throw something at you if i was in the studio

i would throw something at you truth hurts anyway holy shit truth hurts holy shit uh so bottom line is i don't really give a fuck about a hundred Biden and yeah lock them up sure lock up joe every president should be prison after they get out of office every single one except for jimmy carter who should have been locked up before he went to the oval office jimmy carter if jimmy carter had just lived his life as a peanut farmer and a governor might be the most popular person in the united states right now i think he's still extreme i mean he was president nobody that's alive was alive when he was president so it's it's so remarkable because this is like if um if hillary clinton 30 years

from now like big t's a huge fan of hers for all the work that she's done no thank you because because like jimmy quarter people hated him hated him when he was president but now he's just like this sweet old man that nobody nobody cares yeah you have to be 50 to remember when he was president so probably older than that right yeah yeah 55 he's just a little peanut farmer old jimmy for him to stop it he's about to stop it's about to i'm just stop it Yeah, we just restarted the clock. We did. God, damn.

Getting close. No more Jim Carter's talk. It just just is what it is, man. That guy's time is precious. The picture of Joe and Jill with Jimmy and Rosalind is so funny, too. Where they look like giants next to him. Billy, can you drop that in the group chat? He was born October 1st, 1924.

Is there any chance that he gets to 100? We need another year and a half? 20 months. Wait, which picture? Joe and Jill Biden with the Carter's. It's very funny picture. The Bidens look like they're different species. Like, they look like Avatar is standing next to humans.

Because they're so big. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I don't want to say what I truly think to answer that question is Big T. Once you've gotten to 98, though, I mean, what's another two? You're basically there. That's a lot. That's a lot.

Two is a lot. Two is a long time to be when you're 98. I saw that shirt recently. It's weird being the same age as all these old people. That's got to be weird, though, man, because, like, I don't know. It's kind of eerie. Like, what do you, and this might come off as, you know, unempathetic or, but it's actually empathetic.

I'm like, what do you have to look forward to, like, at that age? You know what I mean? like what what's like when you wake up in the morning are you like excited or are you just like oh fuck like is it is it a countdown in your head like you know like what is that like you're probably wondering why god hasn't taken you because usually if you've earned heaven that's when you get taken yeah you're probably like oh shit and then also you wake up if you're like 95 you wake up you're like oh not again i got to do this whole thing got to do the routine no there's probably stuff you like that you get up like to drink coffee yeah no i like drinking coffee i like looking

outside i like i like gardening hearing from my grandkids yeah there's stuff you do wake up and like to do yeah i mean why do we wake up when you're um that's it wow but why do we live once really everything after 18 is downhill it's hard to break it to you like 18 when you think you peak i think 27 is the 27's like really when you think you live forever and shit And then like 28 comes, you're like, oh, fuck, I'm almost 30. And 30 comes, you're like, oh, shit. Here comes old. Yeah.

Billy, you still have at least like three years to look forward to. Sweet. I'm glad I read it said something that was higher than 25. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, no, 25, you're still very much on the upswing because you're 25, you can still tell yourself, my body hasn't hit its peak physical form yet. I'm still, my body's growing.

It's thriving. and also in your early 20s you don't really have that much walking around cash not as well established you hit your late 20s all of a sudden you got a little jingle in your pocket you're able to do more stuff when I was 27

yeah when I was 27 I was selling dogs for 525 an hour geez more dog abuse unreal this podcast is so anti-dog used dogs actually that's a lie when I was 27 I think I was making 50 grand a year but when I was

25, that's when I was selling used dogs. 525 an hour. What you mean by used dogs? I was the best. I was the best used dog salesman. Swear to God. I was so good. I was so good at my job, they accused me of cheating. Yeah, you keep saying used dogs. It's like a shelter. Yeah, there's a shelter. I worked at a registered 501c3 in Austin, Texas. And so what they would do, they would go around. They would get the dogs from local shelters that were about to be euthanized. and so they would pick them up. They had a bunch of vans. They would pick up the dogs that were about to be killed.

Take them to our shelter where we had space. And then every morning I would drive out there at about 7.38. I would load up the van with the dogs that I wanted for that day or that I was assigned for that day. Fill out their paperwork being like, I have this dog, this dog, this dog. Take them set up a big operation outside of like a PetSmart or a Whole Foods or a Fresh Plus, some of the big areas out there that people would go with high foot traffic. and then I would have tip jars set out for the dogs, not for me.

And then also I put the dogs out there, try to get them adopted to find them homes. Okay, just the terminology of used dogs made it seem like people were dropping off their dogs being like, I don't want this dog anymore. Trade in, yeah, I'll take your dog on trade. If you do that, you should go to jail. Here, here at PFT comets or pets. That's what they give you more for your trade. Okay, so how many times do you say? A lot of them are like strays and stuff like that.

Lena Dunham showed up and she was one of our biggest suppliers. How did you ever, like, say, if these dogs don't get adopted, they will die. So you are killing these dogs by adopting. I would lay heavy, heavy guilt trips on people. I'd be like, this dog, this dog was actually marked for death. And I picked it up earlier today. And isn't she just the cutest? This dog could have been dead.

But thanks to the work that the other volunteers at my company do, we're able to save his life. Now, isn't that wonderful? And then they'd be like, here you go. I had all the tricks. I had all the tricks. I'd bring Leroy out there. I put Leroy in one of the pens. And then people would like come from across the parking.

I'd be like, is that dog for adoption? But like, no, that's my dog, Leroy. But wouldn't you like to go over here and look at this cattahoola mix? So I'd get them in the door. And then I'd start the process on them. I'd get a puppy out. Another trick that I'd do, I'd do a little, I'd hold the puppy. And as people drove by, I would do the little puppy wave with puppy paw.

And then people would just stop in their tracks, park the car. come over and say hi it was run by a scam artist though like a true scam artist the guy that founded the organization really hated dogs he was pretty much a British Aryan Foster and he could not stand these things

and so it was always curious why does this guy run a dog rescue organization when he seems to hate dogs he was just using dogs like to get money basically so he would oh wow yeah so

the adoption fees that I would take usually those would go towards giving a dog prepper health care getting them up to date on their shots what I found out was most of the dog adoption fees were going right into this guy's pocket they gave the dog the jab they gave them that you're supposed to give him several

jabs my dog's fully vaccinated yeah on record I know I know so it was cheap dogs a sheep probably does whatever you tell him exactly he does Dude, I could, Billy, I could wake your dog up so fast by showing it some facts. Yeah. Don't make my dog. Don't red pill my dog, bro. You are, you are a propaganda machine for your dog. He's happy. He's happy right now. He's happy because he's under your control. He's in a jail. Like, the best way for someone to build an indestructible jail and unescapable jail is if you don't know you're in a jail. And he owns nothing and he loves it. Yeah. As you will soon.

Yeah. I see Billy is basically one giant, W. E.F. for his dog. Exactly. I am. So real quick, I want to finish up about this British guy. I don't know if I've told this story on this podcast before. Sounds like a good lead. But he owned, he owned the organization and then he took me out for training on my first

day and he was like, all right, so watch this and a lady came over and he was like, look at this great dog and she was petting and she's like, oh, why would somebody give up such a beautiful dog for adoption? He's like, I don't know, somebody threw this dog in a lake and the lady was like, what? He was like, yeah, the person that brought him in was out in their boat on a lake. They said that this boat came by and the guy just took his dog, threw it out into the middle of Lake Travis, and then sped away on his boat. And I went over to it. I rescued it.

And then I brought it to you guys because I know you guys are out here all the time. So the dog had been rescued from the middle of the lake. Is that true? And the lady was like, oh, my gosh, that's so terrible. And the lady, tip, you know, put some money in the jar and went on her way. And a couple minutes later, another lady. comes up and she sees this other dog that's in this other pen and my boss goes yeah this dog was rescued from a lake and so that was just his like his story that he would tell everybody i don't know

why he thought the lake story played i mean i got sad yeah you don't want you don't want to think about dog getting thrown into a lake and then you know yeah we can't dog swim though yeah but i mean lake travis's big lake if you get thrown in the middle of it you're going to drown a lot called a doggy paddle paddle dog it would get exhausted so uh i uh i Yeah, I was a great, great used dog salesman. A lot of dogs are too dense to swim. Yeah. They're just way too dense.

They sink. I did one time, back when my roommate was living with me, one of my best friends, he's living for a while. He had the little pit bull-looking bulldog. I don't know what the fuck it was. Oh, like a bully? Yeah, something like that. So when we first moved in, I threw his dog in the pool. because I thought all dogs can swim

that is not the case it's too dense that motherfucker sunk and I was like oh shit but I found somebody tagged me in this and I found the one dog that I fuck with

I found one dog that I fuck with this is huge this dog I don't know how true this is but it died but this is the story that was on the tweet that I was tagged in

this dog was trained to sniff out kitty porn like literally he was on the task force and like he was trained to sniff out like USBs and and things like that and he he found like and snuff out a whole bunch of kitty porn it's just wow like people people put it up people they give examples of like people put a USB on a key like in a key chain or it looked like a key he found like one in the wall he found like one there was like a whole bunch of different things but he found he found that's what that's what he said I don't know if it's true If that's true, I fuck with that dog. And if that's awesome, we should train all dogs to do that, you know? And then I'm in. Then I'm 100% in.

But until then, that's the only dog I'm like. Yeah. I mean, I guess USBs are only really used nowadays for like bad stuff. Yep. Because of the cloud. Yeah. If you have a USB, it's like trying to take something. That's going off the grid.

Yeah. I'm like trying to think like, well, there's so many USBs because that was back like when we, remember we all had USBs for school and shit? Yeah. we just use like hard drives for work when we have like big files but nobody uses like a plug-in USB anymore if you don't work in content or stuff where you have very large files like which are usually content then if you have like a little USB then you're like what the fuck well a lot of times people in production they have the the big external hard drives that they carry around with

them but those are getting smaller and smaller and smaller and eventually a thumb drive is going to be able to hold as much data as one of the big ones have and then at that point it's like, okay, I understand why you'd have it. But right now, if you, if you're rolling around with a thumb drive, I'm immediately suspicious. I'm thinking that you're trying to steal something off a computer that's here, you know, like spy movies where they plug it in and they're like, hurry up, hurry up, hurry up. And the file ticker just keeps like increasing. And then somebody's coming around the corner and they walk around the corner finally and the person's at the desk and they're like, hey, what's up? Because it's like half a second after if their file had downloaded.

And they never have to, they never have to select the USB either. They just plug in and shit starts download. You've got to go into the thing. You've got to select the USB. You got to, they never do that shit. Yep. It's all my, there's a lot of minutia involving computers that never gets discussed in movies. And they pull out the USB before hitting ejects. Also, when people text in movies, it takes a tenth of a second for the other person to text them back. Yeah. Oh, you know what I love is on TV shows and movies when they have like the bubbles that pop up and they, you can see what people are texting. The sounds that it makes, like when your text comes in on screen Apple has me conditioned so hard that when I see like a character receiving a text on screen and I see the bubble I get like a momentary like was the serotonin or endorphin I get like a little hit from that I've actually liked how some new shows and I guess you know movies have incorporated technology into storylines because you know I don't think there's a lot of people with rational who can create scenarios that don't include cell phones anymore.

like let's say like there's a lot of stuff that's changed because of cell phones that we just don't think about like I think we've all of us to become less uh less cognizant to like being at one place being at one time to meet at the exact same moment because you know we can just text someone like if we don't meet up at this exact location at this exact time like it's no big deal like we'll just go to that point to that point there's this dude and y'all probably don't maybe you do i don't know me you might relate to this but pft definitely did remember when we were we was growing up like the first thing we wanted to do was like drive like that was like a big thing like we wanted to like drive we wanted to get our driver's license and we wanted to get our ls we call them the ls we want to get ls and we wanted to push like kids nowadays they don't give a shit about driving really like that they don't really care like my nephew's 18 and he was like I mean I guess it's about that time or whatever but like nobody wants like my daughter's 13 she isn't like super interested in driving I once like I was like hey we can take you to this empty parking lot, we can drive. She's like, I don't really want to. And I'm like, what?

Like, I couldn't wait to hop behind the wheel. And there was a dude that he was like, I think the reason is, is like, they don't, they're not really missing anything. When we was growing up, like, your car was like the gateway to like go to your, go to your friends. It was able to go get some food to go do this and do that. But you got Uber eats. Your friends are constantly at the palm your fingertips. So you don't really miss going to see them. So there's no really real reason to want to venture out and so like driving to them is like I mean why would I even want to drive like yeah it makes no sense and that as a perfect explanation but that's to your point bill yeah like yeah get you I remember my friend will from hard factor he was the first

one of our group of friends that got their license and I remember when he got it he pulled up into my driveway he's like you want to go get slurpees I got a car and that fucking rocked and I'm telling you we went like every day we We went out for slurpees. We were blasting our CD that we had in the car. You, like, hooked up to the stereo with that little fake cassette thing. Man, we were just, we were driving around like kings, running basic errands for a family. Like, we'd be like, oh, I got to go to the grocery store and get some milk for my dad.

Cool, I can pick you up. Yeah. I mean, I see, like, you go to the mall, you go hang out, go searching for the ladies, like that type of shit. But now you can just swipe and it's right there. It's like, that makes sense, but they don't want to drive. Yeah, you could just sneak out of it. your house and Uber if you didn't know how to drive nowadays. How much longer are malls going to exist?

They're slowly but surely going away. The thing is that's why you're seeing a lot more of experience-based stores popping up in malls. So like you'll see the escape rooms, the 3D, the what you're called simulate reality stuff. Like there's more experience based like go to the mall to experience. I always feel that way, Aryan, but then, like, you know, I live around three major malls, and they're always crowded. Every time I go, they're packed.

So I just don't, like, I always feel that way that they're going to go extinct eventually because, like, the Internet and Amazon and everything just, like, keeps growing, and it's just faster to order online. But I don't know. I just see, like, a million people at malls every time I go. Yeah, I think there's always going to be, like, essentially, like, movies, the fact that movies are still thing is I think it's us saying we do want some social interaction right and I think malls are kind of like that but um like I think Billy's made a great point where it's like they're going to

start changing it's not necessarily going to be uh like because a lot of department stores are going to have business and stuff like that because it's just so easy to order online and so I think it's going to start changing more stuff like that experience based gathering places Yeah. Walmart won't exist. Like Walmart, Costco will probably all go online. But I actually read a whole report on this in college. But like we're moving towards like brick and more those like those Walmarts and Costco's will probably just become distribution centers. Yeah. We can't get rid of food courts. That's important that we that we establish that. Well, a lot of what's keeping malls alive is that young people still want to get away from their nuclear families. Yeah.

So I was about to say I think that kids are always going to need. a place to go like make out for the first time. Yeah. And that I think has a lot to do with why malls will always exist. It's like you want to go see a movie, you want to watch them all. That was code for boys and girls going to meet up, make out. Yeah. I was a makeout

king in middle school. Jesus. Sorry. I was. I think I've talked about this before. I was, I hit my, my dating peak in like eighth grade, seventh grade. I had a new date every weekend. My parents were sick of me.

PFT, was that when you had... A different girl calling my house talking on the phone to me for like two hours about nothing? How long have you been five, nine? My entire life. Since what grade? No, I was not...

I wasn't tall, if that's what you're asking in middle school. I wasn't, I was like normal size like I am now in middle school. I always find... There's always these stories of... You guys talk about five nine, by the way, like I'm a freak. No, but it's interesting that all like the short, like guys grow up faster, but then they stopped there.

No, I was not that. I was not. There's a lot, I don't know, I was reading an article about how a bunch of, like, about a bunch of guys who grew early in middle school and they were really good at football back then,

but then in high school, they just couldn't make the transition because they didn't grow. But then all these kids who were shitty in middle school got good. Yeah, because you get bigger. Yeah. Yeah, no, I, if you want to call it a growth spurt,

I think I just grew normally and just never hit the growth spurt. But it's funny because I was thinking that that was, like, you not, I was big man on campus. Big man on campus in middle school. In middle school, I was 5'9 walking around, all the honeies. Yeah.

There was a, so the problem with my hometown in football was they did it by weight classes. So you had a bunch of kids that were playing offensive line, defensive line that were just the same height and weight as everybody else they were playing against. So by the time you got to high school, they, we had a bunch of kids that were like 5'7, 120 pounds. that were like, well, I only know how to play offensive line because that's what they've been doing. But, you know, we had similar rules, but you had a weight limit for, like, only heavier people could be on the line.

Yeah, see, that makes more sense. So they would have, like, older lighters. There was, like, older lighters and there was people who had to, oh, what was it? It was age range and weight range, but, like, for example, someone who's, like, 250, like, someone who's, like, 200 pounds in eighth grade. Yeah.

like if they were they could either play up no wait let's say you're in sixth grade and you're like 180 pounds and you could either be a younger heavier and play up or you had to play on the line yeah like if you were a skill player you had to play up so it was a good system it makes sense we're talking about like websites a second ago have you guys ever if you guys ever seen the fake websites that they used to have on law and order

so Law and Order SVU especially has a bunch of different episodes where they like talk about a different subculture of people online or whatever and so they always bring up the website that they're talking about but they're all fake versions of whatever that website is and they come up with different names for them that are so corny and so I've pulled a few aside here some of the best fake websites that they used on Law and Order their version of Facebook was called Face Union they had. another universe Y-O-U-Niverse and that was their version of second life where you could build your own character they had they have to get do they have to get rights in order to use the name Facebook yeah yeah so they just really they just build their own versions of them there's uh silly there's one that's their version of Ashley Madison which is um the website for having an affair this one is called the swing set I like that actually that's actually better than natural medicine, medicine. My site was MySpace.

Their version of YouTube was just called video.com. They just mailed that one in. And then their version of Info Wars was called Link Free or Die. Oh, that's so much better. Yeah, Link Free or Die is actually... Does that exist? Because we should make that. Let's look it up.

Videos.com just goes to Disney. Movies.Disney.com. Let's look up Link free or die, because we should get that for macrodosing. Linkfree or die. dot com someone had to buy these URLs I'm waiting on our dog shit internet all of our URLs expired

that I bought do we have a website barstolesports.com wait what do you mean billy like no way Jose you know that I used to use the Google links to

yeah yeah it appears link free or die won't take you to anything well we got to we got to buy link free or die then it's going to Google website should get it? Google domains. I still have an account.

The Rack Menagerie was a porn website on SVU dedicated to Girl on Girl Action and wet t-shirt contests. Well. The Rack Menagerie. Domains.Goole. Search for you link free or die.com. Get it. Vampire sacrifice.

Vampire spelled V-A-M-P-Y-R-E sacrifice. was an underground vampire club where worshippers of the undead congregate drink blood and have sex SVU rocks SVU does rock i love a link free or die dot com is taken dot net is taken dot org is taken but dot us is not there we go link free dot com link free dot us link free or die dot us okay let's get it how much get 12 12 bucks a year it's really not that bad yeah done buying it that's that's the new home for all the macro dosing links link free or die dot us go to cart 12 dollars

I can it's hooked up to my account I already do it okay just expensive I got five on it that's easy money to spend right there uh yeah SVU is an all time great show all the loan orders are good but SVU nothing like taking a sick day staying home from school SVU marathons on

boom you know another one to catch a predator yeah That was a good one, too. I always felt like it was, it was tough to watch because you saw people just destroying their lives. You saw a moment where like somebody, for the most part, they knew that they fucked up big time their whole life was gone. Yeah, but like they should be in prison. Yes.

So they deserve it. But there's something about like the whole process that you're watching. It's just, I don't know, it was just uncomfortable. Avery, you were the one who told me why that show ended. the other day? Was that you? I don't think so. Oh, someone...

Are you talking about to catch a predator? Yeah. Was it you that told me? No, I heard the conversation. I think it was Jack. Oh. Somebody off themselves, right?

Yeah. Was he, was the person actually... Right there? Yeah, like, and he was like a... He was a politician of some sort. Yeah, was he guilty? He was a DA. I think the story was he was a DA in Texas.

Yeah, he was a district attorney, and he showed up, realized what it was, pulled out a gun, shot himself. And then they had to cancel it because the police technically are supposed to prevent a suspect from harming themselves. That's part of the deal. Well, no, it was that, I mean, the show was the police already knew that they were, but they let the show go on and then they arrested the people. Yeah. And they were, that's technically like not what they're supposed to be doing.

Right. If you have a suspect that you know is committed a crime, you're supposed to arrest them. It's more of a TV show. Right. Well, don't have to show that it was them to have to show that. But I mean, they already knew. all that had in they but don't you have to show like intent and all that I forgot so yeah there were like things that they would have to check off the list in the chat because the it was a company that

they would subcontract out to I think it was perverted justice right the people that would engage them in chat rooms something like that and then they would have like a female detective that would be a voice actor to sound like she was 12 years old 13 years old or whatever and there were like things that they had to check off, I think, in those chats to make sure that intent was there. I think that's why they asked the, that's why they would ask them to bring certain things with them. They'd be like, can you bring a six pack of Mike's Hard Lemonade and a pack of condoms? And so then if the person showed up with that, then I think that showed intent of what they were going to do. And trust me, I'm glad that they arrested a bunch of people, but for whatever

reason, it just, it felt like, that's a good show to watch, but it just felt like, I don't know, like slimy just the entire operation on all ends of it that yeah i was okay with watching i don't know i really have a lot of remorse it was i don't know i got pleasure out of watching it i don't know there's a lot of i like watching the niggas go down i don't know there's a bunch of dudes on ticot doing it now i don't know how well they vet these guys um but like people just show up to like a walmart like trying to meet like a young person and then these guys just bombard the person and like Chris Hanson like sat him down

and like was cordial with them these guys just start like embarrassing the fuck out of them yeah it's like a thing on TikTok now yeah and like it's it's brutal and then some guys like try to run out they jump their car like someone crashed their car into the side of the Walmart because they're getting chased it's wild

damn I got check uh what's our someone text me the link tree it's officially it's gonna be up here I'll text the first the first house that they did to catch a predator at was around the corner from my buddy Pat's house in hernd. So

there would be people like when they were on shooting days. We just knew that there would be perverts pulling up to this house all the time. That's crazy. What if you didn't know and you just walk up and knock on the door and be like, hey, what you guys doing here? And then it's like, are you the pedophile? Yeah, they're like, what?

Yeah. Well, they usually have pictures and stuff. Yeah. Yeah, that whole, I don't know. I just Maybe it's just I'm uncomfortable with, like, watching people, like, hit on what they think are 14-year-olds and then they show up and the whole operate. And then they don't know what to do when Chris Hansen's, like, have a seat. And then they try to, like, lie. That might be part of it too. I get uncomfortable when I watch people lying on, like, when they get caught doing something on TV.

The ones that you do, like. That's the fun part. That's the first to see them to try to weasel out of this shit is fucking, like, one time, I remember one dude's this. he pulls up the whole resume and he's like what did you say this for it and he goes just because i say it on the internet doesn't mean that's what i am in real life i like i don't no but the ones you've you kind of feel bad for are well because the ones that are like definitely like a little special yeah yeah there there were there were there were a few guys on there that were uh slower yeah just like ah that guy they're not slow enough to know it ain't it is wrong they know it's wrong

bro. Yeah. Yeah. It's still tough. I don't feel bad. I don't feel bad. I'm sorry. No, but sometimes you're like, did that, like, is that guy like not mental? Like, could he stay in trial with that IQ? Yeah. And if they, if they hadn't done it before, yeah, I don't know. I don't want to sound like I'm putting on a cape for these guys. I'm not. I'm not. No. Kill them. You do like a tiny bit, like a little bit.

I just feel uncomfortable watching it. That's all. Small cape. Only for like the ones that are like, literally you can tell their. If they've never done it. before. No, no, no, that I don't care about. If it, if you, like, because no, fuck that. But like, if it's like this guy got duped into this situation, there's no, no, there's no background and they get tricked and just showing up.

Yeah. Bro, if you're autonomous and you're out here in the world and you have like a mental condition like that, you know right from wrong. You're not, you're not giving them enough credit for the intellect. Like they're not, they might not be able to do super algebraic equations, but they know, that's wrong. They know what they're doing is wrong. I guess you're giving them way too much credit.

If you have a mental handicap and like people don't ever talk to you and then somebody messages you in a chat room and convinces you to come meet them and hang out, I'm not saying it's right for the person to do it. I'm just saying that that probably would not have happened had they not been contacted by somebody who is trying to get them to do that. Now, hang on. I don't know this for a fact. I could be wrong.

the the cops were reaching out to these people first in the chat seems unlikely i don't yeah i don't i don't remember that being again it could be the case but what from my recollection i think what it was was they were in like young people chat rooms like so they were in like you know 14 year old chat rooms shit like that 13 year old chat rooms and they were just talking and i think that's how it started i don't think they were like hey I'm young you old like what's happening

I don't think that's how it went down but if it did there is some wrong that is attributed to the police right but still

bruh it's just not hard to be like no fam you're young uh join this is not hard should we buy macrodosing dot net

while we're here sure how much 12 bucks yeah about dot org no fuck it I like dot net dot net

dot net's good it's the bad boys. We're too bad for dot com. Yep. Yep. I'm buying it. What's on macrodosing.com? Do I want to know? Let's check right now. Is that like a dark web thing? Link for your die.

Change your entire output. The movement. Oh, it's a psychedelic trip service. Oh, nice. Feel great. Two days from now. I don't know who bought this. How long until link free or die.us works? Try it right now. I did. Wow. They, they made Macrodocin.com in

2021. So it's like... Oh, that's bullshit. This is new. They knew they had competition. This is kind of bullshit, yeah. There's nothing on it. It just says,

change your entire outlook, feel great two days from now. And some random woman doing a yoga pose. I don't want to feel great two days from now. I want to feel great now. Yeah, there's like nothing... Contact us.

Let's see if link free or die works right now. Link free or die. dot com dot us that us does not work yet okay well i'm working hop on that billy wait link free or die dot my blogs i really think they they bought this to sell to us i really think that's what happened yeah this is not a this is not a fucking real website dog you know what's fucked up i saw there's a billy football instagram which is like owned by a young kid who definitely hasn't been using the instagram and all the comments are from random dudes trying to buy that instagram like

DM me, I want to buy this account from you. You know what my, I thought was going to be my get rich quick scheme in high school for a little while? What? Some colleges will use the same Twitter, not the same at, but the same format for like all of their coaches. So like Stanford could be like at Stanford Coach X, whatever. And then the school owns those accounts and then they give them out to whoever. So for a while, I would try to see what schools did that. And then if they fired their coach, I would try to see who they were going to hire

and try to squat on those Twitter ads. It never worked. I never got one right. But it could have. Yeah, it could have. And then you would have been like, hey up. Yeah. Especially if it's a rival school.

I'm sure they would have just changed it. But I was very convinced that was going to work for a while. Well, you can figure out what coach's email addresses are. Yeah, I think those are public With someone from public And then other times You can just look at the formula For what other people

At that school use And then just use that So if it's like first initial last name At Stanford.edu Then you can remember my college email I still use my college email A Foster at UTCK.edu

VALS dot UTK.edu Oh they changed it It wasn't it was UTK. Oh like the VALS dot utk.edu with students and there's like faculty.utk dot utk.edu and stuff. Oh yeah. No, they changed. Oh, you know what that bar? I was A Foster

3 I think. I was CNAP 2 which is my favorite number. Okay. So those links should work in two at most 48 hours, I said. Okay. Cool. Good to know. That's when I was in sales. That's how it would also figure out how to email important people at certain

companies. Like big fortune 500 companies. You just get that formula and then you get their entire C-suite. boom, you just got email by PFT. Thank you for your business. That's what people do to like email us here. Like I've had issues. I've had issues with that.

You've got emails? I get more than emails. But people, people, people have cracked the code here. People, it's not that hard. We probably shouldn't say that. Should I not say that? I didn't say, no, I'm just in anyone who like, I mean, there are people here who have their email addresses like in

their Twitter bios and if you just look at that you can figure out pretty much everybody's I know

I got a barstle email what the fuck do you want one yeah I want one all right we'll get you on we can get you that

Fino at barstolesports com oh it could be yeah Bobby Fino yeah yeah

you gotta get you on the blog yeah you want a blog yeah you want a blog? I've never blog no would you like to

we talked about it lightly when Coley was the the dude that did that but I never did it

we got Leonard Fernett on the blog we could get you on the blog what was it that you're very passionate about recently that you could totally blog Valeran

the new the new face of our show game time yeah Aaron Foster had rock yeah Aaron what would you

want to write about I don't I don't know I could pick a topic I don't know I'm pretty nice with depend we'll get you

we'll get you a blog login and how long how long how long is it how long is it it can be anywhere from 10 to 5,000 words oh that sounds like word though I said anywhere from 10 oh 10 I mean I've seen blogs that are one sentence I thought you meant 10,000 no no no no no no no no that sounds like work now no you can just type out like if you see a funny tweet and you want to talk about it or a funny video, you just write two sentences about why it's funny to you, and then, boom, here's the video. I would say most blogs are 200 words.

Then you just tweet it. And they get a lot of traffic? Yep. Sometimes, yeah. Sometimes, like one time, a Lamar Jackson, who was a cornerback on the Jets, got released, and I blogged, you know, Lamar Jackson released and just put a very generic football photo, highest traffic blog. Because I think at the time who else got released

And it was kind of believable Cam Newton I think Or no, no, it was Deshawn Watson Everyone was like, what? And they're like, what, Lamar Jackson? And sometimes you just trick people into clicking. It's awesome. But then they're like, oh, he got me.

Other times people click on blogs With truthful headlines too. From time to time. You can do quality blogs. Billy has also, if you're interested, Aaron, and you think that maybe your blog doesn't have enough words in it, you can just do what Billy does

and go to chat GPT and then ask an AI service to just write your entire blog. I did that for two blogs and chat GPT has been down for the past two months. Is it still down? Yeah, it's Microsoft just bought it. I think they're just looking

over the code right now. But it's there's too much traffic. No, I looked it up last week. Because I asked it. I asked chat GPT to write me a punk song and then it gave me a chord progression and told me, like the robot

wrote a song. What was it? What was the corporate? It was, when was it? It was C, D no, sorry, it was G, D, C, D, G, D C. Pretty poppy. Yeah, very poppy. So that would sound Ooh, you should ask it to write a jazz core progression. Then I'd be impressed. This is the song, that a robot wrote

it sounds like a Disney channel theme song this is terrifying robot wrote that song what's the Madeline there was a show that it was like what a flex though

I see you here what is that song power chords I mean not not Life with Derek. Like not everybody could just, you know, let me show you with the robot right. Life with Derek. That was the Life with Derek theme song.

That's what that was. I was trying. They wanted to fuck in that show. I'm sorry, what? The stepbrother and stepbrother sister wanted to fuck. Oh, this aggressive language there. That came out of nowhere. You made it projecting.

Does anybody made a, made like a porn parody of that? What was the name of the show? Life with Derek. Life with Derek. They dated in real life. Really? That's weird. Turns out they did that a lot.

to like make like to drum up publicity like for example i don't think zach effron in gabriella Vanessa hudgeon's wherever like actually dating yeah it's like a publicity stunt haven't you ever heard of like a yeah yeah but that's kind of weird it's like you guys have to like date i'm pretty sure that's why like Bradley cooper and lady gaga yeah it's there was a lot of discussion of whether or not they were dating right when star is born came out and then he's like well i'm with arena shake. Well, didn't she, didn't they get divorced? Yes. Right after because there was a rumor that they were actually hooking up. Oh, really? See, I'm going through it right now. I want

Bradley Cooper and Lady Gaga to have been dating. No, like they were like hooking up during the movie and Irene Shack found out and then that's why they divorced. I mean, the chemistry was undeniable. You saw that Oscar's performance? Yeah. How would you feel if you were one of their significant others while they were performing, sitting next to each other on the piano bench, like gazing longingly into each other's eyes? sorry that they're good actors they're not that good irina yeah she's a model she doesn't understand yeah yeah arian did they ever ask like did you ever have a publicist that asks you asked you to be in like a like a fake relationship no i wasn't that famous dog i was moderately recognizable

i wasn't famous did you ever date anybody famous i didn't date anybody famous but i met up with people that were. Oh, yeah. I think we've asked him this before and he wouldn't tell us. Yeah, I, you know, I'm a gentleman. I don't kiss and tell. What about, what about other things until? You'd have to kiss her. That was

implied. That was, that was implied. I just want to know. Would I know this person? Yeah. Would I? Yeah. If you had to give a list, like A list, B list, C list, celebrity. probably a B more famous than who our celebrity

mashup was last night on the dozen I'm fucking more famous than that guy what the fuck well you're pretty famous I was gonna say I'm more famous than that guy who is that I still don't know his name don't remember his name wasn't he played Kurt Warner it's the guy who played Kurt Warner also it didn't even look like that guy I saw

that movie and I didn't recognize the picture they used of him he could have been any white guy ever that's in his you know late to early you know, late 40s. Yo, he was in Shazam and Alvin the chipmunks. Are you kidding me? Oh, Blockbusters. What's his, what's his name? Zachary Levi.

No, so he didn't, there's no way you know that, like, could you know his outline of his head? You know what I'm saying? It was shocking. Celebrity matchups should be like notable people, but also like notable features. You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah. It was, and then theirs was

so easy. Bro, it was what was it? Daniel Radclips. and Jeremy Renner. I mean, I knew it in a tenth of a second. Everybody did, but theirs was like, and they had some questionable ass, like, we got killed, we got killed so we can't say. Spoiler alert, but, well, it's, when does it come out tonight? So it'll be out.

But the first, like, five questions, the difficulties were insane. The MLB one was our, it was a pitcher and it gave the teams that they've played on. And ours was Gio Gonzalez, which a fairly notable guy, I guess. theirs was Ubaldo Jimenez, a guy who threw, did you throw a perfect game or a no-hitter? I don't know. I know it was a no-hitter. It may have been a perfect game.

Like, one of the most recognizable pitchers of the last 15 years. No-hitter. Then our NFL question was some wide receiver that got 800 yards on the Raiders in 2009 or 10? Wait, wait, let me see if I can do this. I don't even remember his name.

I don't remember his name. Wide receiver on the Raiders. got 800 yards in 2009 but the the main part was that that was like more than half of his career receiving yards okay I forget what his name it do you remember no I remember what theirs was though yeah yeah 2009 oh I remember his last name now hey there's I don't know was it last who no I'm totally mixed up his last name was streeter I forget oh yeah Jay is a Jay's Jared Streeter or something? Something like that.

And I don't, I don't, I don't, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I don't, I, I, I, I'm, I, I'm, I'm, I'm, question. Yeah. Yeah.

And, and then our, and then theirs was, uh, the same question, dude had 800 yards, but it was on a, F.C. It was, it was, it was in the AFC, um, AFC South. It was Mike Sims Walker. Mike Sims Walker is like a way more notable than, then, I've never even heard of that guy. And I played during the same time. So I don't know, man.

It was just, it was, it shit seems stacked, but it is what it is. I did get my niche, though. Did get my niche. If the, if the celebrity mashups were switched, we, we, we doubled that. So we would have had two more. It's an entirely different game. Yep. That's a, that is a fact.

No, no, no. Hell no. I don't know who did. No, we got lost either way, but. What's your niche? We did. We did. It was valid.

That was, which, bro, that's not. easy question. You have to know the lore behind all the characters. It had nothing to do with the game. Like, they're lucky I'm, I nerded out with that fucking game, but like, it was about the lore behind the game had nothing to do with the actual game. It was tough, man.

I don't think the car just stacked against the macro bad. The car just stacked against the macro bunch of squad. I'm just saying. Jeff is a questionable commissioner at best. I've, I've been through this with Jeff. Yeah, I'm with that. It's hard to talk shit when we got killed, but like the first five questions were crazy. Okay. I'll have to watch

We got a bit hosed I watch it back But we did get killed Credit to Frank in the Frankettes Before we go No no credit team They're a very good team Fuck them

Yeah fuck them Before we get into Fire Fest stuff There's a book That I was considering Assigning somebody to read And discuss I'm reading a good book right now

That I was thinking we should all discuss too So it might be the same one What is it? Brave New World I've heard that's really good actually Biologist Huxley I've actually heard that's good. What's yours?

It's going to be the Prince Harry book. Oh, oh, actually, I can get you a very, like a whole, I actually kind of have heard about, like, I've read the book secondhand. Oh, my fucking God. Okay. I'll read it. Billy, you're so weird. You want to read it? I'll read it.

Okay. What do you want me to do? We should just have you, have you discuss it. Well, yeah, we'll do a book club. The Mad Dog Book Club, where you're going to read it and you'll guide. just threw the big points of the book and we'll just not read it and we'll hear your report on it. How does that sound to everybody? Okay. I like that. Okay. Sounds, that sounds like the best way to consume Prince Harry content. Okay. I'm so excited. So you want me to read the book and then just

like report back? Yeah, yeah. Give a book report for the class. Okay. That's how I wish every book report was ever. Someone else do the reading and they just tell us. Yeah. And then we can discuss the book. Yep. Have you never read it. Can I give a biased opinion on it? Yeah. I mean, give your own opinion. We'll sniff out your bias. What do you mean you read it secondhand? What does that mean? My mom read it and she just talks me about it. Okay. Billy has talked to upwards of one, maybe two people who have read the book and had lengthy

conversations regarding it. People have strong, strong opinions about this book. What my mom said was that all of the sound bites we've heard in the news have been vastly overshared by maybe even royal family like aligned media like people trying to disprove his book so some of them that you may have heard is that he bragged about killing Taliban

individuals in Afghanistan he also you know like may have gotten like there's something wrong with his dick it may have been a venereal disease but he claims it was frostbite yeah he got frostbite on his dick and then he put like his mom's perfume on it or something right i don't know that's like that sounds like a royalist media thing that there was it wasn't

perfume but there was some sort of substance that they were like hey if you put this on your dick it'll fix it and he was like my mom used this so it smelled like my mom yeah so it's probably just like vaseline no it was something yeah get to the bottom of it yeah get to the bottom of all this he did have He had frostbite on his dick on his brother's wedding day. Yes. That's confirmed. Yeah. So when he's walking Pippa down the aisle, whatever happened to Pippa?

She's a mother for three children, I think. Good for her. Pippa was real hot in the streets. That was so funny how the world went nuts over Pippa's butt on, was it Prince William's wedding day. Pippa's butt was like all over all the British tabloids for weeks. And then I remember seeing her butt and I was like, that's just a small butt. But the British people were like, they'd never seen a butt like that before. But you know, that kind of sucked for Kate because like your whole like you never, isn't that a trope that you never want your sister ruining your wedding day looking hot?

Pippa upstage your big time. Yeah. So like, why'd they do that to Fort Kate? I don't blame Pippa at all. It was the, the horny British press. Oh, well, she was holding the. Hmm. The horny British press saw the outline of what might be a butt.

And they're like, oh, dear God, look at this enormous. Think about how many blokes were at the pubbing. Oh, you see, Peppa. Oh, yeah, she was getting chatted up proper. Oh, she was getting well-chatted. Oof. Some proper banter. But, yeah, if you look at Pippa's butt, she's actually, like, it's not a huge butt.

She's a gorgeous woman. Her and Kate are. It's wild, because I have, like, absolutely zero idea who and what y'all are talking about. But when you say Pippa, I think PEPA. Yeah, PEPA. And the only, yeah, the only Peppa I don't know was Peppa Pig

and I'm like, y'all trying to say Peppa Pig is thick. It's weird, dog. The worst thing is, there probably is Peppa Pig smut out there. What is it? Rule 34?

Sick fuck. Yeah. What's that? If there's, if something exists, there's porn about it. Yeah. Isn't that what it is?

Yep. Yeah. Or like some, some pornographic explicit materials or like fan fiction. I feel like if you search Peppa Pig Porn, you get put on a list. Yeah. That should be illegal too.

I don't know if that's expressly illegal, but that should also be illegal. Yep. Peppa pig porn? Yeah. Davos, World Economic Forum's taking place. Yeah, Davos is one of those things that sounds sinister, but Billy talks about it a lot. And so I'm not sure how into the conspiracy theories Billy's allowed himself to become about the World Economic Forum. Just missing two major dudes, Klaus Schwab and George Soros,

didn't make the gathering, didn't make the trip. Okay. Is that good or bad? I think it's a PR stunt. Okay. I'm really excited about this episode, Fire Fest. Yeah. We'll talk about, let's get to Fire Fest in a second.

I want Billy in one minute or less to tell me why I should be worried about the World Economic Forum. Oh, boy. And it can't be any lies. Literally, they had an ad. they literally had an ad Big T already referenced it this episode

you'll own nothing and be happy I referenced it FD did it oh yeah you did yeah did you know that that was a world

economic forum ad I don't think it was an ad for the world economic forum but it was in it was in their marketing materials

and the person said like I own nothing and I'm happy there was one person that said that uh the great reset

World Economic Forum YouTube it's just I don't know did you feel like No, I'm saying that it existed, but let's label it what it was. There was a character in a video that they put out who at one point in the video said, I own nothing and I'm happy.

No, I will back, Billy, of that. That may be true, but it was also true. They said, you will own nothing and you will be happy. Okay, I didn't see that part. Because it was in a whole affidavit about in, by 2050, we're going to have no cars, you're going to own 10 pieces of clothing. um we're gonna have no meat all this stuff you'll be

sounds amazing prison that you don't even know is a prison there will be no individual ownership of homes it's just oh sign me the fuck up let's go where is this everywhere

yeah but you can have to pay rent on it let's fucking go you just want to rent do you do you own anything uh let me think you dog i do owe my dog wow but he owns nothing white he would not be happy to hear you say

yeah don't tell him don't red pill owning owning property is great in this society and it's all good of shit but it's like once you realize and you're a nilist you have to be a nilist but uh once you realize think you don't own shit you don't own anything uh it was it's all the phrase was from a video entitled eight predictions for the world in 2030 and somebody said i own nothing have no privacy and life has never been better. And then that seems that it was changed into own nothing and be happy. And then that got changed into the World Economic Forum telling everybody you will own nothing and be happy. But they, I'm not finding any evidence the World Economic Forum actually ever said you will own nothing. I think the first thing you said is worse.

Yeah. So that was what somebody in. I have nothing. I have no privacy and I am happy. We've probably been misquoting it, but... It was a character in a video that said it wasn't a Klaus Schwab telling you this is what's going to have. But that thing was from the world economic form, correct? Let's just... Welcome to the year 2030. Welcome to my city, or should I say, our city. I don't own anything.

I don't own a car. I don't own a house. I don't own any appliances or clothes. It might seem odd to you, but makes perfect sense for us in this city. Everything you consider a product has now become a service. We have access to transportation, accommodation, food, and all the things we... need in our daily lives one by one all these things became free so it ended up not making sense for us to own much first communication became digitized and free then when clean energy became free

things started to move quickly transportation dropped dramatically in price we started transporting ourselves in a much more organized and coordinated way public transportation became quicker easier and more convenient forever now it can hardly believe that we accepted congestion and traffic jams not to mention the air pollution from combustion engines what were they thinking and so it goes on and that sort of thing in our city we don't pay any rent because someone else is using our free space whenever we do not need it

my living room is used for business meetings when I am not there again this sounds like a pretty forcely sterilized it sounds like a pretty shitty life but this is this was a script from a video that they had when AI and robots took over so much of our work

we suddenly had time to eat well sleep well and spend time with other people so again sounds pretty shitty wait so they also threw in there that nobody has a job all the jobs are I think most of the jobs took over a lot of work, which is happening. Most the AI.

Undeniably, that's happening. Yeah, but not like that. Not like, oh, all the robots do our jobs now, but we don't need money, so it's okay. Right. Now we don't need people. This sounds amazing. This sounds so good. Oh, my God.

Wait, like whenever you leave your house, somebody comes in and has a business meeting at it, Aaron. Do you think, bro. Do your thing. Whatever. You're opening up your house for. There's no. It sounds like like crime is exponential.

Actually, it sounds like crime is exponentially reduced because everybody's basic needs are met. So why are you stealing if you have everything you need? That sounds amazing. Pedophilia's needs will be met and there still will be random people in your house. And that's not a vibe you want around your family. Yeah. Okay. Well, anyway, I don't know, it sounds like the very start of Star Trek and I'm in.

Take me there. So, all right. So, Billy. I will acknowledge that this thing that they wrote is fucking weird. If you, if you, I's not going to, all this, all this stuff is obviously not going to happen in seven years. Unfortunately, I've probably read too much stuff that I probably, if you looked into, especially, I honestly, something that you would agree with. I'm just curious because I don't know anything about the world economic form. There, there's a think tanks in those that fund, uh, economic studies that are very unethical.

Okay. And if they're willing to do those unethical things to various places. especially third world countries what kind of what kind of things microloan distribution to certain individuals but not all individual just to see how it impacts so in like for example the classic one mentioned this the one uh the one study that I read and like have a background in just from school is that like they basically gave one tribe in Kenya a ton of money to see how that would impact the surrounding tribes like money in the form of resource sources, cattle, livestock, and other things, pure water.

You know what the study is called? I'll look it up right now. I don't have it at my fingertips. Apparently there was another video that said predictions about 2030, including you'll owe nothing and you'll be happy. So maybe they did say it at one point. I'm looking up another source right now. Plot twist.

Plot twist. We find a way to communicate with the supernatural. and it's somebody reporting from heaven and that's what they say. So it was written by... You own nothing and you're happy. By Ida Alkin as a Danish politician and they wrote the prediction in question

and they said it was not a utopia or a dream of the future when I wrote that line. It was a scenario showing where we could be heading for better and for worse. So it sounds like the person was saying was also warning of the dangers of it.

one second on in a written update she clarified that the piece aimed to start a discussion about some of the pros and cons of the current technological development where we are dealing with the future it is not enough to work with reports we should start discussions in many ways this is the intention with this piece so when they talk about all the different stuff you don't own your home you don't own that the person is saying the politician that wrote it said that they were showing. If automation takes most of our jobs, there's bad things that could happen and that sounds like a pretty good explanation to me. Now, I don't know about that video, but the WEF also came out with a, it wasn't 2030, it was maybe 40 or 50, but it was a very

similar layout of like, this is what we want and expect the world to look like. And it was very similarly outlined to that, but was far more. radical and bad. But just to decentralize, the centralization of power and think, since they do have the access to a lot of funding and have the ears of a lot of large industry leaders in the system, they're able to, you know, ESG apply their ideals to the economic system of the total world. And they love, they could hear something in like a PowerPoint at one of these meetings and

they could go home. Their companies are so big that if they implemented that. idea that they just learned it could cause a lot of different effects immediately. Well, we're saying. Well, think about Blackstone has been buying up tons of single family homes across the country. Black, yeah, Blackstone. Black Rock. Black Rock?

No, Black Rock, yeah. Has been buying up, actually, I think, has been, anyway, the real estate of one of those hedge funds is buying up tons of single family homes across the United States, driving up prices. We've been seeing it all over everything. But, I mean, that's like they're trying, like, that is an active assertation to try to prevent home ownership and just have a bunch of rentals that it's a continuous stream of income. Do you think that there should be a law banning organizations from our people from owning multiple residential buildings? Well, the thing is no one would have ever thought they'd be able to buy. tens of thousands of homes across the country.

There's a lot of, like, I know Arod owns a shitload of apartment buildings and stuff in South Florida. He's like the third biggest property owner. Do you think that individuals or companies should be able to own like over a hundred homes? What's the, what's the upside to it? I guess that maybe there's an upside I haven't thought about. The upside would be that they would get a lot of money. I mean, there is the whole.

But then the downside would be people wouldn't be able to buy a Ford. homes right but like the ethical uh like how ethical is being a landlord that's a whole different discussion right like do you really add any value right like you add risk like that's like that's one of like the big questions in adam smith like especially in some of his writings like you know the landlord rent versus how much is he actually contributing yeah but you know now that you have in a lot of rentals there's upkeep right there's a there's a probably like a very small percentage of landlords that are trying to like make their buildings like awesome for their tenants probably a very small percentage like i'm putting myself in the shoes

of a landlord your day to day is to like fix stuff that's broken and to like deal with your tenants that are complaining about stuff and then every year try to raise the rent that's basically what your job is right you do try to make your stuff awesome when you need it to be leased yeah so if it's awesome when you move in by your standards you should be able to you know maintain the awesome list unless there is a maintenance issue that is like a leak yeah the goal the goal isn't quality of life for the tenant and affordable housing it's it's protecting property yeah it's money the goal is money like would there be any reason for a company like black rock to own a thousand homes let me make sure it's black arcs to get those mixed up is there any ethical reason is there any good reason

for them to own homes besides the fact that they would make a bunch of money for their investors because like what was so great about the 50s and the baby boom people bought houses left and right it was easy to buy a house right a lot of people own houses your parents your grandparents bought houses because money was cheap houses were cheap back then but now you can't now it's Like, I don't know how people are doing it. I don't know how like, if you graduate from college, well, let me ask, let me ask the young people in this room, young people in this room. Do you guys find it realistic to be purchasing a home in the next five years?

No. If I fight in rough and rowdy again. Like six times? Like, yeah. How many, how many former AL MVP's do you have to knock out to be able to afford a home? Probably by the last payment, I think probably six. six or seven. Okay. King Caminetti.

I can't do him. Well, that's just for the down payment I'm thinking. Yeah. And to have the assets for like to get alone. I don't even know how much I would need to buy up. Like I don't know how much it would need for a down payment. About like 20% probably. Maybe a little bit more. Oh, I don't know. No, I'd actually have to, yeah, six or seven times

just for the down payment. I thought it was like this is, oh, this is going to sound. I thought it was like three percent you needed. No. No. Oh, wait, that wouldn't be that much. no you're very wrong about that well if you have outstanding credit then maybe it wouldn't necessarily be 20% if you found your way into a great deal

oh wait I'm so dumb 3% is not enough but for example BFT those like BlackRock buying up all those houses have driven the price of houses up yeah which has caused us to be on it like for example let's say I really wanted to start a family right now

at this second buy a house Billy be a good dad let's be real like let's say let's say okay imagine 1950s Billy Got out of school Was married already Yeah

Like Billy would be an awesome By a house Awesome You would have a A thousand percent Have a lunch pail Have a lunch pail Oh definitely you would have a lunch pail

And then Yeah you wouldn't be like If you wanted to live the 1950s lifestyle where you You know Get out of the military Then go buy a house Like

And start a family You wouldn't be able to You bought a house I did buy a house in Texas, but I... Texas, though, isn't it like... It's cheaper. Austin's pretty expensive. I qualified for, like, governmental assistance.

That's how poor I was in Texas. Okay. So I got a house that was, I was making such a little money at the time because I was working for a company that paid me nothing. And I was also trying to start my own writing business at that point. So I was very poor. And it gave me a big break. when it came to like how much down payment I needed.

The only thing was, and also the house was in a great neighborhood. So I was surrounded by people that had paid like five times more for their houses than I did for mine. The only thing was when I moved out, I had to sell it to somebody else that qualified for that same assistance program. So I wasn't able to make money on the house. I got my money back. But it was like I still owned it for a while. I could live there for as long as I wanted. It was a great program.

So, I mean, I kind of backed my ass into it. But it's tough. It's tough to buy a house. It is. Like, Billy's right. If standards were the same that they were in the 1950s right now, where you, you, you know, are making, like, I don't know, not necessarily entry-level wages, but you've been in a job for, like, three, four, five years. Like, houses, houses would cost, like, I don't know, $100,000. And so people would be able to buy them.

And your college tuition probably costs $300 as much. No, $700. Yeah, exactly. So you could literally like work as a lifeguard over the summer So you guys need to pull yourself up by bootstraps What it sounds like? Yeah, sounds like you well it sounds like you should have just been faster at running with a football in your hands If I I I If I went back

I don't know if I would want to buy a house ever You will owe nothing and you will be happy so for example Oh fuck I'm doing it Yeah so that's why the W.EF You're like I'm like pissed at because you can't buy a home? Because, you know, they just want steady streams of rents, not to own anything, not to have something to leave to my posterity.

I'm pissed at big organizations that are buying up all the houses. I've got backtracked. I'm finding the study. There should be a law. I don't know exactly what the cutoff should be. You should not own more than I was going to say. Maybe the government should. Yeah, somebody has to figure out a number.

Realistically, it's not even a number. It's an antitrust. like it's antitrust laws it's people like literally it's like politicians doing their job and not being influenced by people who put money in their pocket like the WEF leadership committee so what would the number be I would say I would say 10 houses I would say if they have a large enough market share of single family homes if they have a majority market share in single family homes in the country yeah 100% well yeah but that's I mean, that's a lot of homes.

I don't think anyone has a majority of market share. I think if you looked at the type of... No one has no exact type of homes. No one has over 50% market share of homes in this entire country. I can guarantee you that. Not, but not majority, but plurality? Okay. Is that the biggest word?

So now you're just saying like the big... A plurality is, fuck, now you're making me go back to like... I think plurality is the most of everybody. Right, but doesn't necessarily have a majority. Right. If you have three people and then... there are 20, 20 beans, and you have nine beans and one person has seven and then one person has four.

Then I've got the plurality without having a majority. Yeah. Remember when Billy said that we would just start screaming beans? It was a New York Times article. Do you trust the Times? No. No, I don't. So plurality.

Wait. So whoever, what you're saying is whoever the biggest fish is, they automatically. Nobody would want to be the biggest fish. But, like, for example, when they broke up a big oil back in, when, like, I think that was, like, 18, 90s or whatever. Yeah, like, they went after guys where it was like, like, ethically, politicians would be like, okay, this is fucked. Let's come on. Like, you know. Well, I'm trying to think of what the number would be.

I don't think you. We need to start lobbying this shit. We can't lobby shit because people with the money to lobby are the ones buying up all the houses. okay my my number's 10 you can own 10 houses that's it 10 houses plenty of houses that is plenty of houses you don't need more i i've actually thought this number through if you're a billionaire uh-huh you got an apartment in new york really nice one really nice department in new york okay you got um a ski house everyone needs a ski house you probably east coast and west or only west coast you have two ski houses two ski house oh one in europe one on the west coast

well no you can buy shit overseas i don't care about that okay you have one in colorado and then you have one maybe in Taos, New Mexico. Or Vermont, Vermont. You want east and west. Okay, so that's three houses that you have. You're not wasteful. You have a place in Santa Monica or Southern California on the beach. Okay. Maybe Malibu. That's four. And then you also have a place in L.A. And then you go out to, then you go out to the beach on

weekends from your condo that you have in L.A. So that's five places. Florida. And then you got Florida. You got a place in Miami, right? Uh-huh. Easily. You got a place in like Palm beach on Star Island or one of those things in the gated communities and then you're also going to have a hunting cabin

your hunting cabin can be Dakota oh yeah good point okay so you have a hunting cabin in South Dakota for a pheasant hunting and then you have one in um playing game yeah I was going to Colorado Colorado we need a Aspen no that's one of the

the ski houses you have your ski lodge doubles oh shit you have a towel yeah so I'm going to say that you you have your other hunting place, say, in the Smoky Mountains. Okay. Okay, so that's, we're at eight. But you need a hog hunting? No, you don't hunt dogs.

PNW. Yeah. Civic Northwest, somewhere up there. Seattle? Seattle. That's for your big tech meetings? Yeah, you get a place in Seattle because you're meeting with Amazon. Yeah.

Only. That's nine. And then you have a place in Hawaii. Which is a ranch that you're playing for the end of the world in. A ranch and like a pineapple ranch? No, no. It's a, it's a, it's a, ranch that you're playing the end of the world that's what Zuckerberg i forgot about ranches yeah

oh shit because you need a texas ranch uh the south dakota hunting cabin uh you have a ranch just take away one of the ski lodges take away one of the ski lodges take away one of the ski lodges no no no you sound like a lib now no yeah claus klaus schwab i was oh no i was trying to take away my property and i'm trying to take away one of the ski lodges so that you can have a texas ranch no i think i think my number got moved up to 11 i think i talked myself into it that's why that's why I'm saying to have everything that you want in the United States

Two ski large houses If you're a billionaire and you need all Where where where are they The ski lodges One west coast, one east coast Yeah you either have Breckenridge or Aspen Probably Aspen Breckenridge is a little

With some riffraff running around there Like you can just rent really well At anywhere else but have a home base in Aspen And then you have a Texas ranch I don't know I think you're missing out But part of all these places is that you let your lesser rich friends who are also really rich use them when you're gone.

Yeah. Like so it's like as favors, which means you need more. You also need a place in D.C. You need a Capitol Hill townhouse. Yep. For lobbying. Yep.

So that's 12. You need 12. To be completely fulfilled as the United States billionaire in terms of the amount of houses that you could possibly ever need to own at the same time, I think your caps at 12. Oh, but then you need a, your horse barn for your daughter who likes jumping horses.

But that's not a house. You can have that attached to any number of your houses, Billy. I know, but like, it needs to be in your horse country. Okay. You can have that in your house in North Carolina. In the Smoky Mountains? Yeah. I mean, your backyard isn't a mountain.

Well, it's hard to have horses. There's a mountain in your backyard, but you've also got. It's hard to have, there's not that many riding paths in the Smoky Mountains, Daddy. I want my pony to be riding. There's plenty of places. I want to be jumping. I got, I got, I got, I got, I got, weird. There's plenty of place. I'm just pretending

to be the billionaires. Fine, fine, we'll get Yeah, I hear you buy it. You said. Fine, we'll get, we'll get the Colonial in Lexington. Oh, hey, can we clip, can we clip Billy Carlin? You just did it again. Okay, you guys get over yourself. Please, please clip Billy Carl's PFT Daddy.

Please clip that. Do not clip that. Don't, whatever you do, don't clip it. Definitely don't clip this part. Definitely do not Billy will be so bad. We don't want to make Billy mad because that won't lead to more content so don't don't do it i won't thank you so yeah 12 slash 13 houses now if you're not a skier then maybe we can back that down to 11 or my other my other idea that i would have would be just buy a house in every NFL city in america or a condo and then you just travel travel the world

going to sports games what if your son needs a house and he's like hunter bided and he just wants it in Vegas a crack house yeah he needs a crack house well It would be like an attached garage. No, no, no, no, no, you don't want him under your roof. You don't want him to see him. Unless he's paying me 50 grand a month. I would say, I would say I would give my son a crack house in Vegas, but it would need to be big and secure so that he would be safe. In one of the hotels.

Security. But you're not around. A lot of people talking about the people that he brings in and out. There's the personal elevator that goes right up to the suites that are owned private. And also, if I bought my son his crack house off the strip, you know, he'd just be drawn. driving down to the strip all the time. I don't want him to get into an accident. Helicopter pad on top of whatever hotel.

I'm going to put my billionaire fuck up son. I would give him a fake job. Your Chet Hanks. Yeah, I'll give him a fake job working for my company. Right, right. But like, that's why, in the only way to get him to do his job is you need to give him the crack house. Well. I would change the law so that crack would become legal.

And then my son would be able to have a clean line of business. But that doesn't stop the faster children. I just send him overseas probably somewhere with one of the companies I do business with and just be like, hey, treat my son like he's me and just like take him off my hands for a while. You can have him, you can have him be the guinea pig at the drug research facility. So they just, you know, test new drugs or, you know, like just rehabilitate him through drugs. Like we have all kinds of different jobs for him. jobs for him. And you're helping

to be mad at these two? I like the idea. Doesn't Hunter Biden have a rehab house that the taxpayers were paying for? I don't know. That was right next to the rehab facility.

I think you're obsessed with him. And then, well, I don't know. Again, I can't stress this enough. I don't care what Hunter Biden does. Okay,

so, yeah, so I think we've talked to yourselves since almost 20 homes. No, 13, maybe 14. Okay,

but what about your ex-wife? Fuck. She got your, she might get something at least two or three of those you got two or three of those yeah I would she wouldn't marry you if you if I was a billionaire

would be pre-up city yeah yeah but she got a sweet in the pot to make her actually okay so let's say hypothetically I've got I've got like two ex-wives and then they each need at least three homes

right they got used to a certain lifestyle and I'm not splitting my ski chalet with my ex-wife yuck I'm not doing that She'll bring Greg. So did you need a backup one? And just there goes the neighborhood. A backup ski shelter, yes.

Well, not a backup just hurts. Well, that's, yeah, but it's definitely the worst of all. You're owning a lot of houses. Like, there's a lot of dudes who like own different houses that they're just mistress lives in that no one knows about. Secret apartments? Yeah. Didn't Aaron Hernandez have a secret apartment? Wow.

And Adam Sandler in Uncut Gems. Oh, yes. He did. Oh, yeah. And you just, yeah, that's where you let Julia Fox live. That to me seems like a extremely, like one of these things that's way more problems than it's worth. Yeah. To have like a secret place that you're trying to keep off the books from your significant other.

And that's like a, it's a sleazeball central. And then like you just have your whoever sleep there. And then they're not, they're just like giving you some time when you come over. But the rest of the time they're partying with people like that they actually want to bang. You know who had a secret house? that golfer that vapes all the time afy barn rat the guy from i think he's from fuck i don't want to screw this up maybe malaysia uh he's the the golfer that vapes sick clouds on the course um he is from bangkok he's from thailand so he's like my favorite golfer ever

because he's like kind of chubby wears six sunglasses and just vapes the fuck out of these golf courses and his wife found out that he was making secret payments every month and was like what's going on with this and he was like no no no you have me all wrong he took his wife to another apartment showed it to her it's just where he keeps all his easies he has an apart he had so many pairs of shoes that he kept them all in this apartment and it wasn't like a i don't even think he had a bed in there it was like a big storage place king for his shoes yeah the horse place for shoes that's wow he's you know five days get a storage like good question He's 5'8 and 230 pounds.

There's a couple people who hoard stuff that have secret storage containers. Yeah. But they're doing nothing nefarious but just storing objects that they think are valuable. It's keeping it off the books, yeah. That's weird.

That is addict behavior. Like hiding bottles of vodka and shit around your house. You ever watch intervention? Like families go in and they try to take all the like all the alcohol from the alcoholic and then the person ends up like hiding bottles here and there around the house like you open up the washcloth drawer and there's a big thing of vodka in there

but that's what this person's doing with their storage containers they're like hiding storage containers from people huh because they're like secretly embarrassed about it like why do you have 10,000 like what are they called beanie babies yeah exactly I thought we threw these out. It couldn't stop.

Okay, let's talk a little bit about Fire Fest. About the Fire Festival. Fire Fest, it was more than two documentaries. It was an actual thing that people spent money on, went down, got stuck stranded in Bahamas. Excuse me. It was started by Billy McFarland. Billy McFarland started an app called the Fire app, which I think it was a pretty decent idea for an app. It was designed to connect.

average people with entertainers who wanted to book musical guests for a birthday party, for just, I don't know, if you were a club owner in New York City and you were like, hey, I wonder how much it would cost to get Cage the Elephant to show up here. And then you just go on, you find out, and you can book them kind of to eliminate the middleman because like Live Nation, a lot of these promotional companies, they own the live event space where you have to go through them. they take their cut. They have all the relationships with the big labels. They've got all the relationships with the clubs and the club promoters. So you have to go through these big conglomerates if you want to book anything. So the fire app was started by Billy McFarland to try to eliminate that middleman and just, and you can think of it as like Uber, but forgetting bands to show up and perform places.

That's a very simplified way to look at it. So he started out doing that. And then the Fire Fest idea came. because he wanted to promote this app that he had so he was friends with a lot of very important influential business people matter of fact one of his closest aides or not aides but like mentors was Aubrey McClendon the owner of the Oklahoma City Thunder and I think I think Aubrey is related in some way to some of your coworkers I don't know I have not looked into that but Aubrey McClendon ran Chesapeake Energy and he

also owned the Oklahoma City Thunder, and he was a billionaire many times over, very influential business person. He got indicted for fraud and drove his SUV into the side of a bridge and killed himself. And so he was one of the, one of the business leaders that Billy from the Fire Fest company, from Fire app, he was like, you know, learning from him. And he got a lot of money from Aubrey McClendon. And so Billy had a lot of money at his disposal, not just from him, but from his other partners, and he decided that he was going to do this big concert. So he got a bunch of models and influencers to post that orange square on Instagram. And then everybody was like, what's that orange square mean?

And it was them promoting this concert that Billy was about to put on. I think he paid $250,000 to Kylie Jenner. Yeah. Which is the older one, I forget. That's why I have to put hashtag ad. Now, yeah. I think that's, I think Billy might be right. about that. I think it was Kendall, maybe.

Yeah, I think Kendall's the older one. So he paid like $200,000 or whatever it was just to have a bunch of people put an orange square on Instagram. Yeah. And that got people going like, oh, what's this orange square business all about? Were you guys online? Were you on Instagram when Orange Square Day happened?

Yep. Yeah. Were people talking about it? Were people like, Big T was probably like, oh, they're putting the checkerboard on Instagram. Well, my buddy. I don't know. What year was this like 15 or 16? Oh, fuck. Ball for Life. Let's go. Feels like 98. Kylie Jenner feels like 90.

First of all, first of all, these squares are not Pantone 151C. It's not the right orange. What year was the squares? Because it was a little before the concert, right? Yeah, the concert was 2016, right? 17, I think. 2017. So, yeah, this was, yeah, I was on. I was on. I don't remember this, though. Like, as a huge. I remember, like, the orange squares i just i remember like thinking like what the fuck is going on like i didn't know

what was going so the only reason i remember is that my uh teammate of mine who's a senior when i was a freshman who is now i think a rapper but also an influencer uh ended up going to fire festival okay and he's actually in the documentary in a couple places okay your friend your friend is an influencer he was a former teammate in high school we haven't really spoken a long time but he raps what's what's his what's his rap name actually shout out choses chosos his name's chosis yes c-h-o-z-e-u-us so chose zeus h-h-o chose us yeah well like they chose us it's chosen actually i should i need to talk to this guy i wanted i actually was thinking of calling him to see what happened to him during fire fest but like he like i think he escaped on a fishing boat

okay from the story billy just did a real life i should call him. Yeah, he did. Those are my favorite. I was talking to my guy, man. This is my favorite. I mean, we work in a similar industry and we haven't spoken a long time. Okay, so it was December.

What's his name? Cho, T-H-O-Z-U-S. Z-U-S. Okay. Cool. Okay. Okay, so 2016, that's when they posted, December 2016, they posted the Orange Tile with hashtag Fire Festival and people are trying to figure out what's going on because weeks earlier,

those same supermodels posted envy invoking photos of their extravagant Bahamas vacation complete with yachts private jets and swimming with pigs so um billy was a great great promoter when it came to his festival he did a good job of doing that part of it he's one of the most convincing men on the planet he promoted the fuck out of this festival and uh the only problem was there was no festival so that's a minor detail yep billy's really good about talking he's actually the best at talking a big game really good at talking big game but um they're not really backing it up and we're going to get to him and discuss some of that with billy himself in a little bit so he was a great promoter when he came to this festival but then as it grew uh the date grew near and

near it became very apparent to everybody that was working with them that they weren't going to be able to do it and so billy would just like label people that would be like hey um we're dealing with some real problems here he would call them haters basically and be like let's just do it and be legends. And that was the tagline that came out of that documentary. That's why people say that. I think that was a Billy McFarland quote was in one of the meetings. They were presenting Billy with like a thousand reasons why there's no chance that this festival could ever work.

And he goes, well, counterpoint full send. And then everyone was like, yeah, okay, good point. Billy makes a good point. So Billy was, he was gung-ho about getting this thing set up. and he worked with Jha Rul. Jarl Ruh was instrumental in marketing for this. As he'll tell you, it was not fraud. It was false advertising that Jarl Ruhul committed.

I think Jarlal was maybe the funniest celebrity that he could have chosen to be involved in this. Absolutely. I agree with that. So hilarious, though. He's very funny. And basically, their prep for the Fire Festival included just going down to the Bahamas

and getting drunk in the Bahamas. and that was that was about the most work they were putting in can i ask one question of you and aryan was jaw rule ever like big like i know the name yeah but like was did he have like hits well late 90s um it from my perspective uh as a white youth in the suburb i knew him more as like f slash jaw rule than as jar rule because he was featured on every song if you needed a rapper to give you like 16 bars on a pop song, Jar Rule was your guy because he had that distinctive voice.

He was, that was, I think that was pop, pop Jarru. So pre-pop job rule, he was legit, like, like in his first album, Vinaviti, like, I didn't listen to, well, I mean, of course I listened to it, but like, I didn't bump any of his albums after that because he went pop and he started like, you know, the singy song like with Ashanti, that type vibe. That's what he went after.

But his first album was like legit. Like I'm talking about he had songs with Jay-Z, DMX. Like, that was, that was, he was in that mix and then in that category of like this, that rough and raw New York feel. He was definitely respected and he definitely had hits. And so he was that dude, I think. Well, his downfall was beefing with 50, honestly. 50, 50, 50 ruin that man. 50 ruin that man.

He ruined his ego. He ruined everything. It was wild. Oh, what's it? I was there when you call But I'm always on time What got to do He had like the deep raspy voice

We'll be done with a baby Yeah That's the pop, that's the pop jar Wait is it Way woke Way wall Nail the coffin That's the jar ruled this right?

Yep You know him from his Eminem Yeah From very Billy That's actually where I know more From getting clapped up by Eminem that's a hype pregame song nail the coffin

it is pretty good actually that's going on our next lifting playlist hell yeah so uh so they put together this festival and again basically Billy was just getting drunk and hanging out with people in the Bahamas

and he had he had a company that he was in charge of and they were trying to do their jobs marketing the festival but there was never enough money to actually get it done and so Billy would have to wake up every day figuring out how to get the people that he owed money to, how to pay them and how to

just like find money every day, which sounds like such a stressful situation where you wake up and you're like, oh, I have to find $50,000 to pay this person. It was like that day after day. And then they got to the point where they were out of money, out of money entirely. And they owed some vendors, I believe it was like $3 million. And they had to figure out a way to just like create $3 million. And so what they did was, Billy decided he would send out an email to everybody that had bought a ticket and to Billy's credit he did sell out

his concert so how many tickets were there like 2,5003,000 so the exact that's the crazy thing in which I just don't understand this man's mentality is like

he did his part he sold it out like just put a pause on anything else dog like you did it he's a promoter and he's a promoter and he should never have been in charge of the entire operation.

He should have just been their market. If he was their marketing team and had an unlimited budget basically, yeah, Billy would have done a good job for you. I'm just saying we're going to be speaking to him later. And Aaron has accused me of sucking him off, for lack of a better term. No, I said sim. Hold on. I said sipping for him.

You don't want calling people daddy and talking about sucking them all. Excuse me. Excuse me. But I literally just wanted. know his job was promotion he was he acquired funding i i kind of wanted to figure out like why like what were the logistics as to why you couldn't get stuff there and if you were that that's that that's not that went down there's not he didn't know how and he never really tried that hard so why didn't he get somebody you knew how because i thought right he was the man he was like i this is my

This is what's wild about that whole interaction, Billy and why I thought it was so funny. It was because his entire career is riddled with snake oil salesman shit. And so his whole gimmick, he was literally under investigation and still doing running schemes. He was still literally under investigation running schemes. And so it's like his entire stick is like he's trying to fuck people over. And then you give him a question and say, was there some? supply chain issues or like what was going on like no attention so i was like well i guess that was if i was in his situation i'd be like okay we need to get this this and this let's try to

find this let's try to find this but i guess he was putting together mockups that didn't even have the stuff he could get which so he was selling these cabanas and stuff he was just like the the entire premise of his marketing material was like wouldn't it be sick if we had this And then Bill was like, yeah, that would be sick. Put it on a flyer or put it on a digital ad. So it started from the very beginning, from the very beginning. So he had, he went and visited this island one time when he was down to Bahamas. And he was like, this place is sick.

And somebody told him, you know, this island used to belong to a top general that worked closely with, what's his name for Medellin? COVID brain. Quick hit me. Pablo Escobar. Thank you. So they said this was owned by one of the first. of his top generals and bill is like this is awesome i'm going to use this for my festival and so they said okay you can use it for your festival but you can't use pablo eskabar's name

we will not have you marketing this island as a pablo escobar island and so the very first thing that he put out was like come party at this giant festival on pablo eskabar's island it's literally like in bold letters he put that shit on yeah and then they said okay well guess what bill you can't use this island anymore so then he had to switch and find another island which he found and the other island would only give him like an industrial like parking lot basically at the north end of the island he's like fuck i already told all these people was going to be on an island so then he real quick redrew the map and edited out the other part of the island on all the promotional flowers to make it look like they had their own island but it was really just like the north shore slash park

working lot of this big island that had other resorts and all this other stuff on it and the crazy thing is in the interview when we're talking to him he still said I mean it was an island he still said it and it's like dog yeah cut the games man you lost rock yeah yeah it wasn't

you'll hear him he goes so we had the island I was like uh was really an island billy and I tried to give him an opportunity he was like well it was on it was on part of an island so yeah it was our I was trying to figure out if it was an archipelago. It's not archipelago or peninsula. It's the north part of an whole island on the other side.

It's other island, yeah. And so, but Billy put together a, I guess a pretty good lineup. So the final lineup had Pusha T, Tyga, Blink 182, major laser, Amigos. This sounds like an awesome lineup. Liliotti. Scepta, Billy, you love Scepta. Clapton, big T. Skepta is actually sick.

Ten snake. That's a good lineup. Those first six or seven you listed are pretty good. Yeah, I pretended to know the back half of it, but the first six or seven all pretty good. It would have been a great, great concert. And I think he had something like, I think the range of ticket prices were between 1,500. And I saw somewhere up to 100,000 if he wanted like a giant villa. I think there was like 250, if I'm not mistaken.

It was, it was crazy. And it got sold too. Yeah, people bought it because, again, he did a great job working with the biggest influencers in the world and just figuring out, oh, yeah, I can pay Emily Radikowski and she'll put it on there and then people will do whatever she says. So, yeah. Sorry, totally off topic. Aaron, have you ever gotten into Grime rap?

Like, UK Grime? Like, UK rappers, speaking of skeptos? It's really hard for me to listen to the UK rap. I might be alone in that, too. It's just like when they, that accent, it's just like it's hard for me to, I don't know, man. When it's shut down. Yeah. Shut down road man.

What's up, bro? We've got a co-worker troops who's from London and he has, you know, the standard British accent. But he always says, like instead of in the streets, it's always in the road over there. So he's like, I'm from the road. I'm from the road, isn't it? I said, I had a home boy because we was trying to listen to, like we decided to give it a chance and so I was listening to it with him.

He was like, and he just listening to him, talk about it. And he was like, man, niggas don't got streets. He got cobblestone. They called the road. And they call it, we were from the road, road, road man. So troops, I don't know. Troops is friends with Anthony Joshua, who's a British boxer.

He's like, I know Anthony Joshua. He's a roadman, man. And I'm like, what? He's like, he's a road man. I'm like, what's a road man? He's like, from the road. I'm like, oh, it's like the streets? And he's like, yeah.

And I was like, that's crazy. If you want a good example of UK grime rap, check out Skepta shut down. It's a banger. Oh, straight, man. My music pal is a fool, man, you know? I'm okay. Shut down. It's just, it's such a different, unique sound that's just interesting.

I'm sure it's great. And I'm sure people out there would be like, hey, you just, Listen, I'm sure I do, but I just, I can't, I can't get into it. It's just not my flavor, man. All right, so they sold 5,000 tickets. The thing sold out, and they hired an air service. So they hired a charter jet that would fly people from Miami. So the point was, even the, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.

Well, they said that there would be private jets that would fly you. And it was just like a, I think they got a 747, and then they just put Fire Fest. on the side of it. It was like Spirit Airlines. It was like that kind of vibe. Yeah. Yeah. So at the time, Billy said that the Fire app was valued at $90 million.

And then Comcast asked for some proof that that's what it was valued at because Comcast Ventures was going to invest $25 million into it. And then Billy McFarland was like, hopefully if I get this $25,000. million, then I'll be able to pay for everything with the festival. But Comcast was like, I need proof that your company's actually valued at $90 million. And Billy was like, yeah, about that. I'm not going to be able to get you that proof that you need. So they very wisely did not invest in the fire app.

They were getting in over their heads big time. And then Billy had a couple of his investors come in, give him some cash to pay some of the vendors after he, I think. he already fired the caterer no that was two weeks so we can get to that later he had a caterer that he paid six million dollars to and then um he said the last minute we can only pay you a million and the caterer he said well you can fuck yourself and so then he fired the caterer uh at the very last minute that's what led to those cheese sandwiches so billy was trying to figure out how to raise a bunch of money because he owed some of the vendors uh i think about a million one point five

million dollars and he didn't have it and so then he came up with smart idea to raise cash quickly he said that the event is going to be cashless it's going to be cat to in order to completely uh provide an immersive experience into the island atmosphere be cashless and cardless so uh you should pay thousands of dollars and put all your money onto an rfID chip that's going to be on your bracelet that we're going to give you when you get there and so everybody was like, sure, that sounds good. And he said on the email, I think he said, like, we recommend adding $200 to $300 per day, although some people have selected to add thousands. And so most people deposited like $200, some people more. But the bottom line was he got about $2 million

in a day, just from people uploading cash onto their RFID chips, which now it should be said, the money did not go to their bracelets. The money went straight to Billy, and then Billy used that money to pay people that he owed money to already. So it's a good idea to raise money in a short period of time if you're a scam artist. And he scammed everybody out of it. But he was trying to, he was robbing Peter to pay Paul at this point. And so the day of the concert gets near, near, near, near. He doesn't have any of the stuff set up, doesn't have any of the actual villas. And he, it's tough to tell with Billy because he still blames like some of the contractors that he used for not building these houses fast enough, but I mean, he was asking them to

construct like full-scale apartments in a couple months. That was never going to happen. So I don't really believe that. He couldn't stay for as long as I would like to stay because I really wanted to press him on that. I wanted to press him on the fact that the locals there, like worked. They asses off and didn't get paid, man. I'm talking about day and night they were working to try to construct these things that he promised, which they didn't even have all the materials for it was just a shit show but those people were really working the caterers really working like people you know lost hundreds of thousands of dollars like fucking with this dude and it's like I wanted to press him on that but we ran out of time yeah they um the caterer that that he used

at the last second that lady that owned the the restaurant I feel bad for her you've seen her in the videos you've seen her in the check though from the go fund me yeah she did so people People saw the documentary and started GoFund me and they paid her a shitload of money. I don't know where that that all went to her if it went to other people. But it sounds like she got paid back in and paid back in full by the end of it. But as the day the festival gets closer, there's all sorts of stuff that's just apparent that they don't know what the fuck they're doing. And there's not going to be any place for people to stay. There's not going to be any place for people to like shower, use a restroom.

And they're dealing with all these emails from people. who are asking them questions like, hey, what's going to be included in the tents? Am I going to be able to plug in my phone? What's going on? What have I paid for? They just don't answer anything. In fact, the emails went to an address that did not work. So if you tried to write an email to like help at Firefest or whatever, it just bounced

back immediately to you. So you couldn't get in touch with them that way. So people started spamming the comment section, not spamming, but sort of replying in the comment section of all their Instagram posts like somebody needs to talk to us and figure out what we're doing, why can't I get any help in any straight answers and what's included with these tickets? And they would just, they closed down the comments on all their Instagram posts and wouldn't respond to any of them. So then the day before the concert started, there was a big ass rainfall, soaked all the mattresses that had been laid out. At that point,

there was nothing that they could do to pretend that it was going to happen. And people showed up. They tried to get him drunk. That's a good strategy you Billy had, by the way. Everybody showed up to the island day of the concert. and it reminds me that Seinfeld episode where George tells Susan's parents that he owns a house in the Hamptons and you just go along with a lie until you physically can't go along with it anymore

like oh it's like Casey Anthony when Casey Anthony brought the investigators to Orlando to Universal Studios walked him through the hallways told her told them that she worked there until she got to the very end of the hallway and she couldn't lie anymore and she was like okay that was a lie

I'm sorry, I don't work here anymore. That's what Billy was doing. And he came up with a good strategy to delay it, which was after the festival goers arrive, we're just going to send them to the restaurant and get them drunk. And so that will buy me a couple more hours. And it did. And then people figured out what was going on. And then Billy basically said, okay, it's a free for all.

And at that point, he had to kind of like give up the game, said, all right, I fucked up. Then he got arrested, fun times. what would you have done if you were one of the people that was there? Not that they had that many options, really, but I don't know what you'd do. Yeah. So I imagine that there was probably, it got divided up into different clicks.

Probably some of the people there tried to go raid the domes that they built for them, the FEMA tents or whatever. Some people probably went looking for Billy to beat them up. I would like to think I might have been leading him. mutiny so yeah i think i need i wanted to call my friend and talk to him but i he from what i heard and he said they basically just scavenged as much supplies as they could at the moment and then tried to hold out to see how long that their crew could like figure out a way off the island i think it was literally like calling uh like a boat rental place and be like if you come pick us up

from this island like we'll pay you to get us out of here yeah i i don't think that I would have wasted time trying to track Billy down. I think I probably would have been in that camp where I just, I try to solve the problem that we have. Yeah. Figure out the options to get us off this island. I don't know when we're going to get food, if there's enough water. I just figure out how to get to Signor Frogs in Nassau Bahamas, because I've always wanted to go there. I've never, I've always heard about this place. Yeah. But I've always wanted to go to Signor Frogs in the Bahamas. You should go. I know. I just, I hear like it's this crazy magical place.

It is. Have you been? No, but I've been to another senior frogs. I've never been to senior frogs. It combines everything that you love.

I know. Alcohol and frogs. And you can watch football. Yeah, and yeah, there you go. We'll get you to

a senior frogs at some point, Billy. Field trip. That's on my bucket list. What else is on your bucket list? Uh, going to arrowhead

in a playoff situation. Okay, cool. So, so yeah, then Billy was like okay well there's no concert everybody got mad at them everybody left uh they actually did try to like the local people on the island the bahamanians they uh at when they realized they started hearing that people weren't getting paid for all the work that they'd done that there

was no money um they did start a strike immediately and then they went looking for bill and billy and billy had to hide from him for a while uh and billy probably probably could get us ass kicked that day. I don't know how. Do we asked Billy how he got out? I don't think that we did. No, we didn't, we didn't ask. But you know what we didn't ask either is why he's mad at Ja Rule? Oh, Jarl

just basically took zero responsibility for everything after, I think. I think that's true. I think he was like, yeah, Billy duped me too. Yeah. Like, I had no idea. So then Billy comes out, he gets

arrested, and he's out on bail, and he's awaiting charges and then what does Billy do while he's out on jail? He starts another scam company. NYC tickets, I think it was called. And it speaks to Billy's whole thing of like Billy thinks that the

biggest thing that anybody wants is to like be next to a celebrity. Billy thinks that people love, like will go to the ends of the earth to hang out of a place that a celebrity's at. And so he started this fake ticket company where you could buy tickets

to the Met Gala, you buy tickets to all sorts of stuff that celebrities were going to be at and like VIP access. I wanted to ask about that because that speaks, in my opinion, much more to like the Fire Fest thing, yes, it was put together incredibly shittily and there was fraud and all sorts of stuff that was done improperly. But at least it in theory existed. Like it could have happened. This thing was completely fake. completely just a lie. Yeah. There were no tickets.

Just straight up lying to people. Things you couldn't buy tickets to if you wanted to. Yeah. He was selling tickets to the mecgala. They don't sell tickets to the mecgallel. And so pretty famously. Yeah. So people were just trying to, they were giving Billy money and Billy was just taking their

money and not giving them anything. The judge caught wind of that was like, well, you're the biggest fucking moron I've ever seen in court. And so he ended up having to go to jail for a little bit longer. And now he's out. And I think he has to try to make restitution. to some people. I think he's trying to figure out what he wants to do with the rest of his life, which we'll talk to him about. So without further ado, here's Billy McFarland from the fire festival.

Okay, we welcome on a very special guest. It's Billy McFarland. You probably have heard of him already. You said four months out of prison right now. Yeah, my sentence ended August 30th, so four and a half months. Okay. Well, you got a little bit of the summer end. You didn't miss that entirely. But we're very glad that you're in studio today. We've got a lot that we can talk about with you. Yeah, Billy already has a question. I think the freshest thing in your mind is since being out of prison, what was one of the first things that you missed going in that you didn't realize? And now that you're out,

that you, is your, like your favorite new experience after being out. I think, like, people always ask, what is the biggest food you missed? Like,

did you miss sex? And honestly, the biggest thing was, like, the ocean. I just wanted to go swimming so badly. Yeah. I think it just,

like, felt so freeing. But I got, like, an ear infection immediately, like, the day after. That's tough.

I had a good friend in college that went away for, I think eight or nine months and when he got out the first thing that he did he just went straight to McDonald's. He was like, I'm going to order seven cheeseburgers and come back and eat all of them. I know we're glad that you're here. I've got a lot to talk to you about because when the documentaries came out, that must have been a wild time in your life where you went from being like, you know, known in New York social circles and some of the entertainment industry to being like a household name across America and now coming out the other side of it and realizing that you've got that in your past and your brand is built up to like a big, big place, but maybe not in all the

ways that you wish that had been brought up. So what are you doing right now? Like what's next for Billy McFarland now that he's out of prison? So I had so much time just to like think and learn. I know it sounds like cliche, but I really realize like what I'm good at and what I really suck at and put together a little bit of a team launching a new business now called pirate and we're fucking going for it. And I want to like go bigger and crazier than before, but do it the right way and pay everybody back bigger and crazier yeah bigger so all right i don't know which way to start like with bigger or should we start with crazier i'll let you i'll let you decide more impactful it's like the same shit right it's like at the end of the day doing a festival is like kind of cool but i don't want to

like be a festival guy for the rest of my life and like unit from went really well like that's an awesome accomplishment as like a 25 year old but i don't want to like die as an 80 year old and be like yeah i did 10 years of like an amazing festival i want to build something that everybody uses and and really impacts the world okay so So what is pirate and how is it bigger and crazier? Because you have my attention. Cool. I'm in.

I'm in. Bigger and crazy. I'm just in. You sold Billy to Billy. I think that you two are actually going to have a lot in common and a lot to talk about today. So I'm excited to see how that unfolds. But okay, so talk to me about pirate.

What are we trying to do this bigger and crazy? Yeah. So one thing on the false end podcast, I was trying to look everybody in the eye and I got ripped on for like looking like a bobblehead. So please stop me. No, yeah, no, just whatever you need to do. Yeah. So, yeah, like one thing we did really.

well was just taking like absolutely insane people from the U.S. who just like didn't know each other and bringing them to these outer islands and like making them go diving with sharks like putting them up in airplanes that shouldn't be flying and all these like life defying experiences just like was really good at bringing people together so like I would take PFT and you know maybe a different comedian maybe an athlete like maybe a model put them all on this island for a weekend and you guys would leave and like be best friends I think there's like this inherent magic that experience. So I want to do that permanently by taking over a small hotel where I can host just like really interesting people there every weekend. But then I want to rig the entire

island and hotel with 360 cameras, show it to all the fans of people like PFT who are on the island and let these fans actually like buy into and change what's happening in your life and like impact these crazy experiences. So you're pitching like White Lotus meets Big Brother. Yeah. It's almost like a Sims meets like this like amazing rarefied island with like real crazy people you actually care about. Okay, I want, I want to just go ahead and volunteer Billy for this, not myself, but I want to, yeah, Billy, you're more than, more than welcome. I'm in.

If you, however long you need them for. Cool. We'll work the kinks out with Billy and then we'll come back and shit about you. I mean, shared experiences is always a great way to make people connect and, you know, interact and end up having a lifelong friendship. So how would you, would you then try to monetize those relationships that these people make at the island? Yeah.

And it's like, how can a million? and fans, like, ideally, watch what's happening and buy into it. Like, how can everybody from their computer contribute one dollar, build like a little beachside bar and then, like, sell PFT a drink and then, like, share a drink with them? So it's all about taking crazy people to crazy experiences and then opening it up to as many people as possible. This sounds like a little metaversy. Yeah.

Is it going to get metaversy? So, like, I missed this whole metaverse, like, wave when I was in jail. I missed, like, all the NFT and crypto. You looked out. Thank God. Yeah. I haven't been done for like 40 years. There's actually, there's a lot of people that would probably trade what you did over the last

two years, like staying in prison rather than having experience what they did with the entire crypto thing, like SBF. I'm sure SBF would have loved to have been locked up for the last three years. Why don't it just try a stupid festival here? Exactly. You're a visionary. Can you see the future? I knew it was coming.

So I just wanted to go to jail and like stop myself or myself. You probably would have gotten sucked deep into the crypto. I don't want to know. It's like I've met with like a handful of like the bigger crypto players at the past couple of weeks. I left these meetings. I'm like, dude, was everybody in the world like this scammy like six years ago or am I just a fucking pussy now? I want nothing to do with these guys. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, there's there's so much stuff that you were probably lucky that you did miss out on it. It sounds like you know what you maybe you've learned what you can do really well because I think anybody that's watched the documentaries, they'd be idiots to say that you're not talented at certain things. they'd probably say things like, okay, you don't know your limitations and you have a bunch of big blind spots, but you also have like some things that you're very good at. Like you, the concept, I actually think Magnesis was not that bad of an idea. I think like, remember? What's that? Were you a member? I was not. No, it's before my time here in New York. But so maybe we can go back to the start. That might be the best way to do this year. So talk to me

about when you started Magnesis, which it was a membership platform where you would get that solid metal card and you would get access to a townhouse in the West Village and some other things. So tell me how that started and where you went from there. So I dropped out of college after my freshman year to work on a company called Spling. And I was basically making like software for like record labels and TV networks and starting to meet people that my like childhood peer group just didn't really know existed. They were all traditional like college track, like trying to work like, you know, big corporate jobs. And I'm out here at 19 like, you know, pitching the CEO of like X, Y, Z record label. And I was literally at dinner with some of these new people I was meeting

and one of them dropped their Amex black card. I think I got like $100 in my Chase account at the time, like struggling to pay my employees, like survive myself. And I'm like, fuck, I really want this black card. So I was in the second ever we work labs down on Barrett Street. Went to Alibaba, before Alibaba was really like a thing in the U.S. This is like 2010, 2011. Ordered a sheet of black metal and a credit card copier. So the metal came. I copied my like Blue Chase debit a card onto this hunk of metal, found some laser engraver in the diamond district who put Billy McFarland CEO, wrote my name with this card. And it's like went out that night and was treated like a fucking king. Like every bottle girl who like wouldn't let me in like a week

before was now like, you know, trying to get my number and serving me. Like this is awesome. So went back to WeWork and just sold a couple hundred cards to all the WeWorks and realized that like selling the cards like cool, but wasn't going to change my life. Then started realizing the people who were buying these cards were actually like pretty interesting and had like weird crazy things going on in their life and started thinking how could I bring these people together and actually make like a community out of the card where the card is just the marketing tool but the real value where the people who have the card wait so when you were selling them in the we work where you just basically copying their cards onto the metal like

you had done for yours just to yeah I literally had like a a spling box like a seven person like you know glass box and the we work and then the other guys would come in and have my credit card copy her next to my computer you're like hold on real quick you just invented like a more prestigious way to spend your own money. Yeah, pretty much. Where you're like, man, it'd be way cooler if when I handed people my card to pay for something, they were more impressed with me because they could, like, there's no way for them to see what your bank account is when you hand them your card.

But if you have a hefty metallic card, then they're like, wow, this guy's up to something. So then why it worked is like you would buy a card, right? You'd want to show the card off. That's the whole reason why you got it. So you go to dinner with your friends. You go out to drinks. You make it clear to everybody they had a black card. And then like three of your friends would be like, okay, what the fuck?

How do I get one? And it just creates its viral nature to it where every card holder becomes like an unpaid salesperson basically for the brand. People that are chasing that status of having having a heavier card. That's actually hilarious because I have a card that's kind of the opposite. It's like a it's like a $500 limit like Discover card that I usually leave it bars for the tab. So if I like forget it like I won't be missing it that badly. But basically like it's the exact opposite of that same ideology. Like yeah, I'll leave this here.

It's not that big of a deal if I like lose it for two days. days. So that's wild. Yeah, so you, uh, you create magnesis and then my guess, maybe you can correct me from wrong. My guess is, uh, with the membership, uh, like $2.95 a year, whatever it was for the membership on that. It's tough to turn that into like a giant business because there's only a, there's a cap to however many people in New York City can be part of this club. And so then, uh, you made some comments on the news about like how well the company was doing. It sounds like you promised some things to some investors. Yeah. And then you kind of kind of did the backwards math to back yourself into a point where you're able to tell your

investors how good the company is doing. Yeah. And then you kind of just ran out of money that way. Is that close? Yeah. The craziest thing is like we were actually doing like decent and there was no need to, you know, start like lying publicly. We had 12,000 like members direct there. You know, we'd done over 10 million revenue at this point. But I'm like, that's not big enough. Like, you know, I was 22 and had just done 10 million revenue. It was like pretty good. But instead I'm like, okay, we have 100,000 members and you started lying. And it was in this attempt to get cash to execute fire in the fire festival so it was like so stupid how like just this need to go bigger just fucked up something that genuinely like would have been a great

hit as a you know young 20 year old in new york like something that you could sell to bank of america where it's like okay you have the program uh it's like an add-on if you're you know between the ages of 2030 in new york city then if you're a bank of america customer you can access the magnesis program or whatever like selling it to somebody else probably would have been a cool exit for yeah i could have sold it for 40 million dollars making this up but i wanted to be like that billion dollar startup founder like the early unicorn days and like that wasn't good enough so so i remember watching the documentaries and i'm glad that you brought up like you wanted to be that startup founder because what struck me was i was like i don't think that i think that billy just

wants to be an entrepreneur i don't think that he cares enough about a specific product that he's passionate enough about like a user group or user base or a customer base i think you just want to be a CEO and want to be an entrepreneur and so you see seem to like bounce around a little bit here and there to different projects because you want to be like the man you want to be known as an entrepreneur known for your hustle is that is that like something that you've thought about for yourself i think things are just happening so fast and it's like got bored so fast it's like okay i'm bored with spilling let's make magnesium all right now magnetesis i'm meeting all these rappers and these pilots with little planes like fuck magnesium i'm on

an island and like i just couldn't be satisfied like what i currently had and just couldn't see it through i just kept hopping to you the next thing okay um arian Aaron, what's going on? Great to meet you. I am here. Can y'all hear me good? Yeah, we can hear you. Perfect.

What's going on? What's going on? Big fan. Nice to meet you. Oh, really? I appreciate you, man. Likewise. Aaron, we just got into a little bit of Billy's background,

taking this up through his first couple startups. Do you have any questions for him right off the bat? Off the bat, not really. I mean, maybe okay, yeah. So if, because obviously you've seen the document. documentaries, right? I haven't. I haven't watched them. You haven't? You have not watched them? Let's do, we should do a live stream

watch party from Barstool. You've definitely watched them. I swear my life in our work. Billy, you've watched them. I swear. Have people tweet clips at you? For sure. I've seen clips, but I've not watched them. I'm not sure if I believe you. Keanu, Kelly, back me up. Well, that's

that's wild. I guess I start with that. Why have you not seen the documentary? Because I say to say, if there I was, Yeah. Good question. A hit piece, a national hit piece on me, I would want to check out to see its validity. You know, like, why have you not watched it? Yeah, good question. So I was like six or seven months into my jail sentence when they both came out. And one of the guys got like a USB device smuggled in to watch both documentaries and like showed it to the jail. I think like half

the jail watched and I went outside alone. Other half was, you know, either didn't care or acting like they didn't care. And I was in such as fragile mental state where it's like I just don't know half these people who are like telling all these stories and I just know it would get so mad and just would have done something stupid like I would have like taken someone's cell phone and like called the media and been like oh this is bullshit like I just wasn't ready to face the facts I just would have gotten myself in more trouble and then it became like a point of pride a year or two later it's like yeah fuck that I haven't watched it and now I'm just being stubborn so how many people well you could also just market it as like a live event on Twitch or like on

YouTube like watch me yeah watch and react to my own movie for the first time probably a decent amount of viewers for that. How many people knew you the day you got to jail and then did their attitude change after like the documentaries? So I think the people knew me for the wrong reason. I got my bail revoked and was taken to the Brooklyn Detention Center, which is a pretty brutal place. And I just do nothing about jail. I think my biggest like lack of education was like the social aspect of jail and it's just super, super far behind. And I remember coming in, there's like these four white guys that are like swastikas in their foreheads that come up to And it's like, hey, you guys got to sit here, you got to do this.

I'm like, you know, just didn't really look at them. And it's like became boys of this 25-year-old black kid from Brooklyn. And they just like kept threatening me saying, hey, you can't hang out with the black guys. You got to hang out with the white guys. And like, I just keep saying no. And like, I'm getting more aggressive about saying no. And so it just basically made this huge scene my first week there and like caused some like racial issues. So I think they all knew me for the wrong reason in the beginning.

But that was a wild experience. So then you went to. A uniter. Yeah. What a powerful message from Billy McFee. Farland on Martin Luther King Day. Thank you, Billy. Thank you for your service.

Real quick, real quick, I'm going to have like a follow-up because, I mean, you haven't seen the documentaries, right? So I watched both of them when they came out, actually. It's a captivating story. Yeah, I think you would agree with that. Neither one paid you in a very positive light. But I think the more accurate depiction that they have you as. is very apathetic and kind of unaware of the turmoil that you caused.

Do you, is that still your position? Do you feel like you did nothing wrong? I mean, maybe this is too early to happen to this part of it. No. But do you, I mean, do you feel like, is that the case or is that like remorse? Or like, I don't know how to approach it because I don't know your disposition about everything. No, good question. And it's like, I was so wrong. And I think that some people get mad if I like come and do a podcast and like talk about something new. But I went through a period where it's like for two years, I just felt like I couldn't do anything. And it's like I fucked up so badly. I seen to shut up. And then whether right or wrong, like the next two years after that, I did around four years in jail. It's like, I need to go do something and pay everybody back. And, you know, if I go and drive Uber for 10 years, like no one's going to get paid back. So I got to go for it and I got to be honest along the way. So it's like I need to kind of like,

hide my remorse or at least like, you know, quell my remorse a little bit. And it's like keep that ambition to go and try to build something. But at the end of the day, it's like I was so fucking wrong and need to make it up to everybody that was hurt. Who was the, who was the one group or the one individual that you feel the worst about what you did? So I think it's the people, it's really the investors who backed me since I was like 19. And they work with me for five or six years before I really started lying to them about fire. And like, It was so easy to lie to them because I had built that trust. And it's like that's what I feel like the biggest scumbag for.

It's like once someone trusts you through so much shit and then you take advantage of it, like, you're way worse of a human. Then some guy you just meet for 30 seconds and like, you know, get him to invest. So that's a bad for those long term people. On that line and going forward with your new endeavors, do you know the point where it was, you were basically taking it seriously, you know, you weren't sort of doing anything illegal yet. but then the lies started pile up and you sort of crossed that line into this is fraud almost was it a distinct line that you could tell in the moment like this is where I'm gone too far

or was it sort of a gradual accumulation of okay well I did it lied here light there and it just really stacked up I think like consciously it was gradual but subconsciously like I knew when I crossed that line and you know it started like spitting out of control so yeah it was there Yeah. So if you want to like walk us through the inception of the Fire Festival, which was, it was designed to promote the app, the fire app, which was like if you're at home and you want Jaw Rule to play at your birthday party, then it's like, maybe not Jarl rule, but somebody that's like a- Don't waste your money on him, but other other great guys you can hire. Like a mid-range artist or something like that. Hold on. That's something to stick on. Is there like turmoil between you two as of right now? So I'd love to, I'd love to do like a charity MMA fight against him. So if I could do an official call out here on Barstow. What about a boxing match?

I'm in. I'm ready to go. So you know that we run rough and rowdy. Okay. At Barstle, which is a boxing tournament. So Billy competed against Jose Cansego. Oh, you did? Yeah.

Oh, no way. He knocked him out. Really? Yeah. Congrats. It was a wild scheme of that. Oh, I had no idea. Okay.

So we actually do have the means to get something like this done. And I'll talk to Dave about it. I'll see if he wants to be involved. I imagine that if we turned it into a big event, he would be in. But we'll talk off a lot of that. I think like, let's pay the Bahamas back. And how can you say no to doing a good thing? Exactly.

Yeah. 100% of proceeds go to the Bahamas. I don't touch the money. Let's go. We'll get, yeah, we'll get L-A-D to like promote it on Instagram. It'll be fantastic. It's got legs. It'll be, you know what?

We should do. It should be like we could have it in the Bahamas on an island. Amazing. And it would be a luxurious boxing experience, like completely immersive. I feel like, I feel like this has legs. I think people will pay 20 bucks to watch that. Probably. Yeah.

No. That's actually what you should have to do, just a virtual concert where people don't actually have to go to the island, but they just pay money to watch the artist. Anyways, we can talk about these other ideas later. I've got a million of them. But when you have the idea to promote the fire festival as a promotion device for your app that you've created, and you decide you zero in on the Bahamas. And they tell you, you are not allowed to say that this is one of Pablo Escobar's former islands. What was the first thing that you did in the promotional material? Pablo Escobar's Island, baby. Right. The story was just too good. And so immediately they were like, what the fuck? You can't do this. We're taking your island away.

Yeah, pretty much. What if you had never done that? So the issue was like we, Fire Festival wasn't really a thing, right? Like I was taking the artists that were signed to fire and other like talent signed to fire to these weekend long trips that we discussed. And people were having a blast.

And it went from, you know, talent that most people haven't heard of to talent everybody's heard of in the matter of, like, three weeks. Like, a group would come back and be like, that was the craziest weekend of my life. And then we would get a call from an agent that, like, laughed me off the phone a week before and just, like, escalated so quickly

that it got to the point where these trips just like the who's who of the social media world. It's like, fuck it. Let's just make a video and see if anybody would actually want to come to this thing. And just dropped this trailer video where we had maybe 15 models on the island. And we basically sat them down, like,

at the only rush around the island. It's like, all right, look, girls, you're going to post this orange tile when we say, go. And we have 400 more people who, like, want to be you who are going to post it at the exact same time as well. And we did. And I just, like, woke up the next morning. We sold, like, you know, X million dollars of tickets.

And I'm like, fuck, I have no idea what I'm going to do. How much cocaine was involved in this party? I have never done cocaine in my life. And I think it's like something I get asked all the time. But, I mean, if you look, I read some of those emails that they had in the documentaries. Just the levels of cocaine energy that were popping off the screen were incredible. Like, maybe I'm still not sure how much I believe you when you said. you haven't done cocaine, but like this entire endeavor seems like it was fueled by cocaine.

So I like to say that like I was such a pussy. Literally I couldn't even drink coffee before and now I'm doing coffee. So if there was like fire with no cocaine and no coffee, now there's coffee and pirate. So all right. So Billy McFarlane's new business venture powered by Stella Blue coffee. Got it. Going going back to that subconscious line you talked about, do you think going forward, you're going to be a lot more cognizant of that sort of subconscious to conscious, like, is this going to cross the line? Or is this small sort of stalling in order? Because with dealing with anything, you do have to like either withhold information or tell a white lie. Do you think you'll be able to make sure that that doesn't spiral out of

control? It's just hard to operate when you're lying. It's because like I was so scared of failing because I didn't want to fail. But too, it's like if I failed, the lies then like come out. So I kept lying more just to not get in trouble for the lies. And Like now I can't fail because like you know I can go to jail But at the same time like less scared of failing because at the end of the day There's no lies that anything is built on like hopefully it stays that way But it's just easier and you get better people and when you're just fucking honest It's like hey I don't know how to do this people are willing to help and I almost pushed away like super smart people

Because I was like telling them hey I got this I got this and I know I did what I was doing So it's a very interesting conversation that you are having with our billy because I think that I do think I could learn there's so much that's applicable to Billy's life. And I'm Billy, I mean this in like a loving way, too. Because I was telling Billy before we started recording, I was telling our Billy before we start recording that he's very bad at delivering bad news to people. And he, he, his natural instinct is to lie instead of to say like, hey, here's some bad news that you're not going to like. I think that you've probably dealt with that a lot. Do you have any advice for our Billy on how to be able to overcome that fear of

disappointing people to tell them the truth instead of lying and making things worse? I think if you got in the ring with Jose Canseco and knocked him out, you've got it in you to deliver some bad news. But, uh, dude, I sucked at it. Like, I'm still not great at it. But in the reality, when you tell a lie to like not deliver bad news, the bad news just gets worse. So and like, I started trying to like just get good at like, okay, I'm going to walk in here and say this bad thing for 15 seconds and it's all over and you just feel a lot better after. But yeah, I'm still, still trying to learn. I have a question schematically about the fire fest, actually. Yeah. So along the lines of the time as we started, like, so when you, you,

wake up in the morning and you sell millions, you realize you sold millions of tickets. Why not instead of focusing on the date that we said, say, hey, let's push it back a year because obviously we have something. So let's push it back a year and get everything, you know, sorted out what we need to get sorted out. Like why, why be hard stuck on that date? I think if we did that, we'd be filming macro dosing from the island right now. So like that was the biggest, biggest mess up. And in my mind, like literally I was just like spending every dollar I was earning and I was surviving on a literal daily basis. Like even though I had X number of employees and like my expenses were fucking like, you know, five, 10 million dollars a month at this point, I was still like was worried

about paying for dinner that night. I just couldn't like fathom four months in advance. Like to me, four months sounded like three years at that point in my life. I was like too immature to realize that four months is just not enough time for anything when I was just like worried about like, hey, how am I going to pay the dinner bill for my 40 friends tonight at this stupid club. Like, yeah, it couldn't think long term. Did you actually believe that it was going to happen and that you were going to be able to pull it off without a hitch up until the point where you had to get up on that table and tell people, hey, we don't have any rooms for anybody, so just kind of grab what you can get? Or did you know before, you had to have known

before that day that things were going to be very, very bad? So a quick aside there, when I'm standing on this milk carton, like basically telling everybody that like, this is not going to work out, I got a call from one of the bigger New York tabloids. And they're like, we're about to a story saying you ran off on your yacht with cocaine and models. And like literally on their homepage, they were live streaming me in the milk carton. So I'm like yelling at the reporter. It's like, go to your homepage. Like literally you had me standing right here and they ran the story anyway. But just like just a funny aside. But anyway, I truly thought up until like that last second that it was going to work. And obviously like there are so many points now where I look back.

I'm like I'm a fucking moron. But yeah. How did you think it was going to work though? Like where you obviously had to have so many layers of self deception and just like denial. up into that point because there were so many red flags and it was right in front of your face. What was the lie that you were telling yourself before you got up on that milk cart? It's like, okay, we've done 12 trips here at this point and half of them were like me waking up hung over to a phone call from some agent on Friday morning saying X, Y, Z is down to go. And then us like figuring out a trip for 50 people, like including all their, you know, ancillary, whatever possees and making the trip the best time of anybody's life.

So I couldn't equate like the difference between, you know, doing it for 50 people over a weekend to hosting thousands of kids who were just overpromised the world. And that was my mistake. So you just figured like up until that point, it was like, fuck it, it'll work its way out. Yeah. I'm like, the island is amazing. We have, like, I was, I was, I was saying, it wasn't island. It wasn't, it was, it was, it was not our private island at the end, but it was an island. It was, but your section was like a part of, a bigger island. Yeah, it was not the whole island, but the overall island, I thought was amazing. I'm like, I was so stupid. Like, we have boats, we have jets, we have hot girls, we have a lot of booze. And we have 30 artists that we

actually did pay like this is going to work out and I just couldn't fathom that it wasn't so so some of the artists start to back out things start to crumble well the night before the event was supposed to be started there was a big a big storm came through so at that point I think that's when even the most diehard Billy McFarland supporters that were working for you were like I don't know if this rainstorm kind of screwed everything else up for you did was there ever a moment where you wanted to just blame the rainstorm for everything that happened and be like it was going to be great. It would have been an epic party except the rain. I think I felt like I finally failed myself as like a man and a businessman when I came in. We had this little like house on the festival

site and I came in and the top 20 people who are organizing the festival were all just like slumped over on the couch and like I sleep on like the kitchen table and I said I couldn't get them to move and it's like I realized it just pushed people too hard and they hit this breaking point where they no longer believed in my reality and it's like literally couldn't move. I'm like well I just failed like this is this is over. There was another scene. in the documentary, I forget which one, but you ran into like a dead end with some problem that you had. And then you left the house, you got on an ATV, and you started just driving it back and forth down a road really, really fast. And then you came back and you're like,

I've got it. I figured it out. Was that like you were trying to brainstorm your way out of that situation? You needed like an extreme adrenaline rush. Yeah, I guess like my adrenaline seeking was like my, my cocaine at the time, right? Yeah. Just finding ways to, you know, almost die. And like, obviously I wasn't going to die in the ATV, but trying to find ways to just push myself physically. Yeah. Have you ever seen any of the documentaries on Woodstock 99 or like, which was a festival in itself that kind of went really sideways? Do you think that it was because this was one of the first festivals to have problems in

the social media world that it got much more magnified and sort of became so viral? It's a good question. And I think like if I just emailed everybody a week before. and it's like, hey, guys, the accommodations are not what I promised you. The artists are all real. The island or a piece of the island, like, actually is beautiful. Let's kind of come figure this thing out together. I think people would have gotten there with a better mentality where it's like, okay,

our tents aren't going to be perfect, but like it's good enough and like, let's have a great time. But the fact that they were promised such luxurious accommodations, it was almost like impossible to please. And I was so far off from when I did promise, like, I was the one who was wrong. But I think I just like was just so overselling where I could have built a more like community vibe and made it happen was the biggest problem sort of supply chain in sort of sourcing a lot of the amenities that you had promised or where exactly did that break down it was just time like literally

like didn't know how to get mattresses and went in amazon and bought a million dollars in mattresses it's like that was my that was my solution to try to make tents right so it was just time and you know stupidity do you find it ironic at all that what you were selling to people as the fire festival was the ability to party like your favorite influencer. So you were selling like the ability to get yourself into an image of something that you weren't. And what you were doing the entire time was projecting yourself as somebody that you weren't as a giant promoter that was capable of pulling off the party of the century. Yeah. I think I thought a lot about like what the psychology of the ticket buyers was. And I think it was really, I was selling the impossible. And I was saying like, I'm going

to turn the impossible that you've always dreamed up into a reality for four days of your life. And like that's worth whatever it takes to someone, right? And the issue was that the impossible can always get bigger. So the impossible is never good enough. And that's where I really went wrong and like the marketing aspect of it. Yeah. You should you should do like the exact opposite and throw Firefest too except have it be like really mid tier artists. Yeah. Exactly. And then people show up and like blink 182 is playing. Yeah. It's like the best. concert of all time, but you just, you market it as like a pretty shitty concert. It's like, I'll be cooking in the grill cheese sandwiches from like a food truck and like we had some shitty

artists. Yeah. The crazy thing is like I've been saying for years that they should do Titanic 2 and they should sell it. They should have it go. You should be in charge of the Titanic 2. I think I found my CEO for Titanic 2 guys. We did an episode on the Titanic and we're like, we should do Titanic 2. I mean, that's that's that's boss level Titanic 2 is yeah, but this time Billy McFarlane is charge the entire. What a way to get the people to the festival. They're on Titanic 2. Everything goes wrong.

We've got to swim to the island. Let's go. I was never sold on your Titanic 2, but if you sell him as the CEO, just fuck around and work. I've got his name loosely attached to it. But I bet you that people would buy tickets to a Firefest too just to see what happens. Just in the same sick way, I think that people would buy tickets to Titanic 2 that would sail the exact same route to see if they could get away with it.

See if it was going to work out this time. That's the reason why I started me to cut you off, bro. But do you know who operates the current Fire Festival Instagram account? I do. Because it's still active and obviously they have a sense of humor about the whole thing. Yeah, yeah. But a lot of people still follow, right? Like, I really do believe, do you have any aspirations of ever doing anything like that again?

Well, first of all, tell this guy to give me my password back. I was so wrong in everything but the motherfucker stole the account so was he an employee of yours he was an intern for an agency that we had hired he was one of the fuck Jerry guys but he was like an intern for them

okay so he wasn't even like a fire employee honestly respect I mean I'm I'm saying I'm kind of with him I got okay yeah respect I mean if the worst thing it happened

to you was he took your Instagram password I mean no I did like I did so much worse so many more people so I can't I can't bitch you about that and just being semi semi-sacratic, but yeah, give me my password back. But anyway, like, I have to do the fire festival again.

I can't do it. Like, I'm on probation, so I can't do it right now, but it needs to happen. And I think, like, I just need a great, like, events partner to handle the logistics and let me go crazy with the marketing and, like, the experience aspect. So I think for all the stuff that you went wrong, and there's a laundry list of things that we could talk about specifically that went wrong, you probably agree with, for the most part. You're a good promoter.

Like, you did get people to, like, all these. huge influencers to build this up. You sold out of tickets, right? Like almost instantly. You're good at selling a dream. The problem is that you have to find a dream that's somehow grounded in reality. Yeah.

That can be possible to pull off. So now I'm trying to do little things first that will build up to Fire Festival too. So like I'm launching something today where I'm calling like Wave by Pirate. I'm basically not really on Twitter, but I want to build an algorithm to get my Twitter account fucking popping.

And I have these like a thousand diehard kids where if I like ask them to help me out, They also go and do anything for me. So I'm building this thing called Wave where I'm going to post like a viral video or hope to be viral video on my Twitter and then ask them to quote, like, retweet me. And they get points for every quote retweet. But then they basically become salesmen. So they're going to go out and like DM bomb the world to quote retweet them.

And they'll get points for that and have a live leaderboard for it. That's Andrew Tate's model. But I'm doing it on like Twitter with like a live leaderboard, totally transparent. Yeah. They have a question for me, right. I'm just saying, no, I'm saying like that's a little. No, not you, not our billy, new billy. New Billy got a question for you.

Do you not wonder about the psychology of these thousand diehard kids of why they're so attached to you and like, has that ever crossed your mind? Like, I'm like literally trying to pay the bills and survives. I'm doing consulting calls with them too. And it's like a lot of entrepreneurs. And yeah, there are some crazies, but there's like a lot of like legit entrepreneurs who've raised like a small seed round of funding and like they just don't know what to do next. So yeah, if I can help.

a couple of them like super cool i think you just also invented billy's list which are billy invented a few months ago where he developed a list of thousands of young people that really cared a lot about him that would help him promote his things in exchange for billy helping to promote their things am i my way off on this no i created a community of people with a lot of information so like if you had a question about like a certain plumbing or it would honestly to help me research for this show to have like a list of experts and hopefully I was hoping that they would start asking each other questions so that if they had any questions like on whatever they needed they could use as a resource for everybody he he developed his own online community which is in a way kind of cool

because there's people that were practicing different trades and stuff so it's not it's not all bad what he's do but I just I think it's like there's some there's some overlap there's a lot of overlap well I'm not the only time I just try to I use the community to like spread content I create or, you know, if we have like, you know, Black Friday sales and parcel supports try to push merch to them, which, I mean. I'd love to check it out. We basically, I created mine as like a SaaS software too. So the R&B artist Eric Bellinger is announcing his like tour on this, using my software today

too. And then the top three people on his leaderboard are going to get like meet and greets to all of his tour dates. So we're basically like selling it to other brands. We're totally out of the box as well. So I'd have to check your shit out and see if I can see that. It's just the discourse. I got, I got to add.

I got to ask this question, man, because I know you haven't watched this documentary, but there was one thing that became a meme, and I'm unsure if you're aware of it. Oh, God. Andy King. Yeah. Andy King, are you in contact with Andy King? Were you aware? Is that story true?

Like, I need, for people that don't know, Andy King was, I'm not sure what his title was and how he worked with you. But he basically, I'll let you tell the story. Go ahead. Andy and I have texted back and forth, maybe like two or three times. Yeah, this one's hard for me. Andy worked for, basically consulted for Magnesis for a number of years as an event planner. And he was great, like super hard worker, like amazing with people. And like, you know, Andy was everything as advertised plus more.

When we needed help with the fire festival, of course, I gave Andy King a call. And Andy King arrived. There became a point where the customer. Customs official or officer on the island decided to hold back the water. And I'm not sure like what the dollar value of the water was, but like it was enough water for 3,000 people over two weekends. So like significant, you know, number of Evian waters. And they were sponsoring us to some capacity. And he wanted like 200 grand to release him. We just like couldn't afford it. And there's no reason why we should have been paying that money. So he said basically, fuck off.

Like we're not paying you. And ingest, I said to two team members like, you know, go do whatever that takes. Like get this water release. But we're not paying this. guy any money. So I think Andy King took that and ran with it. And whatever happened next is between Andy King and the Bahamas. You weren't like go suck this guy's dick for the water? I said like just go do whatever it takes. So it was more of like an ingest comment. Is it you do whatever it takes wink wink? No, he was not he was not ordered to go below a guy for water unfortunately. Did you say it as a joke? Sometimes. I don't recall. Sometimes our Billy says things like that as jokes. I think yeah. I got to talk to you after Billy. No, I actually think that with the

the meeting of these minds is too powerful for the world. I don't think this podcast would put us out of business real quick. It would. It would. Big T. Do you have any questions? I think we got to get wrapped up now. Yeah. What was your best and worst day in jail? Ooh. Really good question. Okay. Worst day in jail was I tried to do a podcast over the jail pay phone. And we really, and I had like very, very small Instagram following. We released a trailer on my

Instagram. And like an hour later, the guards came and grabbed me and threw me in solitary confinement. And like, they basically basically said, hey, you're not getting out of this one, McFarland. So now I'm fucked. So like that day and night where I'm all alone, knowing that I didn't like truly break the rules, but like I kind of broke the rules and I was just fucked for it. Is there a rule against podcasting from jail? No, but there's like an unspoken rule that if you're causing attention when you're in jail, like you shouldn't be doing that. Yeah. And so you went to solitary confinement. I did seven months for that for that podcast. In solitary?

Yeah. All of solitary? Yeah. That sounds awful. Honestly, like that sounds like the worst punishment that you can have as solitary. Yeah, that was pretty bad. And then, yeah.

So that was bad. Was there ever a day in jail that you're a pretty good day? That's a good question. I think it's like, there wasn't like one day that was ever good. They were all bad, but there were a handful of times where I met someone like unexpectedly. And I'm like, wow, this is like a fucking good dude. And I wish I, you know, had three friends like this who weren't in jail. So I think like those are the lasting moments, but it was never.

like, oh, this day was great because I met a cool guy. It's like, this day was fucking terrible, but, you know, still this guy's pretty cool. Is your episode of the podcast still out there? Uh, better be a really good fucking episode, six months in solitary confinement. I've listened to parts and it was terrible. I was so scared of saying anything controversial. It was like, I'm sorry. I'm so wrong. I'm sorry. So it's like super, super vanilla. Did you, um, there were all these people that were saying, oh, he's in jail right now with the situation and Michael Cohen, because I think they were in the same facilities. I don't know how close you guys actually were. But at the time, there was a lot of speculation like, oh, what are the

situation Billy McFarland getting into right now in prison. We'd love to be a fly in the wall in that's so. I was at a jail for six months. It was like mostly white collar people. I just didn't last very long, got in trouble there. I just like kept sending me to worse and worst places. But at that one, the situation in Michael Cohen were there at the same time as me. There's only like 120 of us at that place. So super small. Yeah. But we've had Michael Cohen on the show. We've got to get the situation. Yeah. Complete the triumph. Yeah. What did you, if you know my is asking what did you do to get sent to the worst places uh so at the first jail this is not the USB device I used for the for the documentaries but I had a USB device in that first jail I was

trying to write a book and so went to solitaire for three months for that went to a worse place then the podcast solitaire for seven months and even worse place I kept getting in more trouble yeah yeah yeah um you work out situation in jail I'm not really do GTL in jail gym retain laundry, yeah. I mean, you're probably at work in the laundry facility. Yeah. I think we're the same, we're the same laundry guy. When you get you, how much sunlight you usually get when they let you out? At that place, you can go out whenever you wanted, but like the worst places were, you know, I didn't go outside for like 19 months straight at one point. Oh, yeah. That sounds, that sounds awful. All right, well, I guess we'll let you go. We could talk for like three hours. But I do want to be in touch in the future about the boxing thing because we might, we We might be able to set something like that. Can we do like kickboxing? We've only been able. So it's like it's like officially licensed and sanctioned by state boards and stuff.

So we had to jump through a lot of hoops because it's an event that we put on a few times a year. So it's it's very much like on the up and up and all certified. We have not been able to do kickboxing yet. So I think it might just be boxing at this point. He's super short. It's kind of be fun to kick him in the head a little bit. I mean, honestly, if we were to do in the Bahamas, I don't know what the sanctioning body in the Bahamas. It might be easier to get something like that.

Who knows? Who knows? Well, I'll talk to some people about it and we'll see what we can figure out. But Billy, thank you for coming on. Can I do one shout out real quick? Yeah. We're hiring for Pirate. So if you go to Bountyhunterworld.com slash pirate, no, come join the team. Billy, you have permission to apply.

You absolutely do. All right, thank you, man. I appreciate it. Yeah, thank you, BFD. Thank you, Aaron. Appreciate it. All right, that was Billy from the Fire Festival. Let us know what you think. So, a little behind the scenes. I've been in touch with Dave about Billy fighting and Rough and Rowdy. He wants Billy to fight Ja Rule and Rough Rowdy, obviously. I think that would do an insane amount of pay-per-view.

And then if we could figure out a way where Billy's cut of the prize money goes to the people that he's stiff in the Bahamas or anybody else that he owes money to. I don't know. That might be a good way to handle it. We'll figure it out. So now Jar Rule, the ball is in your court. You've taken a number of public L's recently, my man, Jha Rule. Billy football our Billy

only knows you as the dude that got bodied by Eminem Yeah So it might be time If you want to switch up the brand Why not step into the ring With Billy McFarland And show him what the hands do

I think is that Because I don't know where Jauru stands on it As far as like His culpability But he definitely You know Legally he had to say All that shit he said right

But he definitely You know Was involved in the scam, right? So I think it would be good. Like, I really do think that would be good if y'all raise a whole bunch of money and help pay back a whole bunch of people that were actually harmed. That would be, you know what I'm saying?

Because you have to have some kind of remorse for the shit. So I think that would actually be good. I just want to go on the record and say that Jowro was going to dog walk Billy McFarland. Like, Jow was going to beat the shit out of him. This will be like a bald-on-line situation. Yeah. J-Rul has a chance to. I realize the chance to prove ball, don't lie.

So after we're done tipping, Billy McFarland was like, I think I could beat him up because Jaws tiny. He said Jaws like 5'7. Oh my God. This was my, what? This is why he said I could beat up Jake Paul. Because Jake Paul's fine. But he back of the day.

Except like Billy, Billy is a decent size. Dude, he's about your size, Billy. He's, uh, and Jor. I sized them up. And I'm bigger. I know you did, but he's about your size. I'm bigger than Jha Ruh, and I could beat up Billy, so I think Jha Ruh could beat up Billy McFarland.

Which Billy? Both of you. My money's on Jarl. Billy and Billy have a lot to talk about. We're going to get them together again shortly. And if Jow Ruled doesn't want to fight, I would honestly lose a lot of respect for Jah. I would.

How old is Jha now? Let's... 40, late 40s? Mid to late 40s. He's 46 years old. Stand up for yourself, John. He is 5'9. Wow.

That's what he says on the internet. He does. He looks a little anabolicly enhanced. Okay. Which could impact his breath in a fight. Also, Popcorn muscles do tie you out faster. If this doesn't work out, then Titanic 2 is still very viable business model for Billy.

That should be hilarious. Billy McFar. Call it the Waterfest. There you go. I like it. You can't get sued for false advertising if you're on a boat called the Waterfest and it sinks.

On the Titanic 2. We told you the name of the festival was the Water Fest. What did you think? Oh my God. You know what they should call the first event? What? Ice breakers.

That's good, Billy. I like that. I like that. Okay, Billy. Yeah. Let him cook on that one. all right that's macrodosing

that's a good way to end it we'll see you guys next week fun episode next week will be good also tickets available we should have gotten Billy to try to sell our live show oh my god

oh fuck tickets available at Sony Hall well it exists yeah tickets are real yeah but I'm actually I'm actually okay with him and you'll actually like if you buy the VIP thing

you get the VIP thing yeah full VIP experience so it's not maybe it's been We have a Billy McFriott and special where you can meet us after the show and Jaru. I heard that the Sony Hall used to be owned by Pablo Escobar. So I'm confirmed, but you never know. Come hang out where he was hanging out.

Wait, is it like next to the Sony Museum, the Sony thing? I don't know where the Sony Museum is. On West 46. It's in like Times Square. All right, well, we will see you guys next week on the show. And then seriously, we'd love to see you. next week in New York if you're in the city come on by say hi love to meet you guys always love talk to macrodotions and then we're going to yardhouse we're going to yard house and big t's going to

try to predict if you're a lib or not yeah it's going to go around i've been getting some good questions together the lip detector test is one of the one of the funnier parts of the last live show so we're running that one back all right we will see you guys next week love you guys You know, I'm going to be. I'm B. We're going to be.