Macrodosing: Arian Foster and PFT Commenter - Gold ft. Rick Ness

Episode Date: October 26, 2021

On today's episode of Macrodosing, we have special guest Rick Ness from the hit show, Gold Rush, on the Discovery channel. He joins the crew (1:40:25) to talk everything from the largest amount of gold ever mined to the everyday life of a gold miner. It's an episode you don't want to miss. Also, can Barron Trump play football??? What would PFT and Coley accept for Tom Brady's 600th TD ball? All of this and more on today's show.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/macrodosing

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Oh, my God. Donnie Jr. Wait, what just happened? He said Donald Trump Jr. is selling shirts that say guns don't kill people. Alec Baldwin kills people. What the hell is politics? What do we do? What are, what's going on?

Well, Alec Baldwin's a big time lib. Like, anytime, anytime a baldwin or like a liberal celebrity, like has a tragedy happen, we're going to, like, put t-shirts on that. We're going to set up a new Etsy shop. Do you think somebody should go to jail for that? Yes. Who? Whoever the prop director was.

That's what I think, too. Like, he didn't do. Yeah, of course not. He's an actor. You hand him a gun and he's also going to point it at something and shoot it because that's what he does. Also, he's a producer, right? Was he? Yeah.

Yeah, I think he's a producer. He's liable for the whole thing anyway. I mean, I don't think, like, I'm not a giant Alec Baldwin fan. I don't care one way or another about him, but it's weird to be like, yes, I'm so glad that Alec Baldwin killed a person. Should we put this in the show? Probably not. Yeah.

Yeah, why not? But isn't that weird how people are like, yeah, this is fucking awesome. Ha, ha, ha, ha. Alec Baldwin shot and killed someone. Our special effects, special effects are so good nowadays that you don't even need to be firing off prop guns. they said all the John Wicks there isn't a single real gun on set for any of them yeah that's because it looks completely real every single time you watch those moves

and Keanu Reeves is like a real gun guy so he doesn't want to fuck around crazy training for those like Hallie Barry had to do crazy like they all do crazy training so they're in tactical and then they use plastic guns on set like it's insane yeah but but that's because they respect the weapons exactly you know I'm We're agreeing. I don't understand why, what's the name of this movie, Rust? Like, they can't finish filming. Like, those movies are never going to come out now, right?

I mean, I don't know. The crow came out. Which one was the crow? That was Bruce Lee's son. That was that movie. And it was in like the mid-90s, late 90s. And then at the end, the main actor got shot with a prop gun that had a little bit of like a bullet fragment still in it. Right.

And he died from that. And they still put the movie out. and he was the main guy in the movie so um i don't know i don't know they might they might put it out alick baldwin's got to be like i mean imagine if that was you you just shot somebody if i shot somebody yeah i'm just waiting for somebody to put out a statement like hey i heard that the the director of cinematography had information that would lead to the arrest and conviction of hillary clinton alec Baldwin was a hitman yeah that's the next step in this whole process. I don't know. Does anybody actually love Alec Baldwin, even like

mega libs? I think the libs do. You think the libs like him? I think Justin Bieber. When he, when SNL couldn't get any of their own cast members to do anything and they just had him playing Trump, he became a hero. That's, that's true. Yeah, he was the Trump guy. And honestly, the, the impressions that he was doing in Trump, they weren't, they weren't that far off. But Trump himself is much funnier than Alec Baldwin is, pretending to be Trump. Oh, yeah. That's what the problem is. you can't you can't have somebody do an impression the only impression that i've heard that's funnier than trump is i think shane gillis's impression of donald trump he does it he does it well it's funnier than don't trump but everybody else it's like no i'd rather just listen to don't

go off for 30 minutes on whatever's on the top of his head oh n l ever asked trump while he was in office if he'd do the show i'm sure he would have yes a million percent he would have hosted every week do it didn't he do it when he was running right when he was running not when he was I mean, when he was running, he was on every show NBC had. Remember when they tried to cancel Jimmy Fallon for fucking like not being an asshole to him? For rubbing the top of his head?

Yeah. Not being an asshole is a bit of a straight. Like he was like petting him like a dog. It was peculiar. If he did that to Biden, it would have been like no matter who he did that to. It was fucking weird. Yeah, I guess that's weird. Well, they're testing his hair. Yeah. But everyone thinks his hair is fake, which is But you're right. I think that Donald Trump would have been on NBC nonstop if they had offered him, hey, like, would you like to do a nightly show like prime time? Just you giving your thoughts on just whoever? Well, yeah, I want you, I want you commentating on everything that was said about you today for an hour nonstop, 8 p.m. every night in BC. Trump would have been like, yes, absolutely. Let's do it. It'll be the best show ever.

So are we signing? Are we making a macrodosing page for his new truth? social media i think you know we have to oh yeah i want to talk i wish it oh we got to wait till aryan comes on to talk about that we got a corner trump book trump facebook yeah yeah we got to no but like it's a new it's a new social media platform we do need to get that we do erika said that we need to be in there early on any new social media platform i think we should get in i'm getting at big t this uh we got to get in early we need to dominate that space yeah all right people are already on there no does it exist yet no because someone took dialed trump's took Donald Trump.

Right. Oh, that's tough. Username. That's really tough. You got to get there early. And then they deleted the whole thing and started again so you can get it. I think that this is very funny. But they're going to run into the exact same problem. We're going to have this happen over and over and over again where Trump book is going to

open up and then they're going to have to start banning people because if you're a social media platform, it turns out you can't just let everybody say exactly what they want to say all the time because that can lead to a lot of illegal things. and so then they're going to start banning people and then there'll be another offshoot of Trump book being like we're the real MAGA book and they're going to have to start their own media company and then eventually they'll start banning people

it's just whack them all it's going to be it's the Chan model of 460 or 4-816 like it just keeps getting deeper to the truth why has Alex Jones not started a social media platform yet because he probably is too drunk to pull off any large-scale project management right now how much money does he have

Alex Jones well he's getting sued he uh he just lost a major ruling i think two weeks ago like does he have in the sandy hook thing does he have enough money to because honestly from my heart of hearts i know he's a very controversial character but i just want him to go out and live just like comfortably one of these like an old an old lion walking off like a rabid from the prize yeah one of these net worth websites that you never know if they're right or not but it says five million that sounds about right to me no that feels low to me. I think he's got more than that. I also think that Alex Jones definitely has some mayonnaise jars filled with gold and cash buried in various backyards around the greater Austin

area. There's no question about that. Alex Jones probably has more money underground than he has in a bank right now. So I think he'll be okay. But they're definitely going to come after all the money that he has on the books for all these lawsuits. And he probably deserves to pay out every single penny of that too. I also feel like with this Trump page now, it's like when you advertise that it's you can say whatever you want i feel like that's when people really say whatever they want like twitter forever you could have said whatever you wanted for a long time but people wouldn't you know go to super lengths like obviously you get random people but now i feel like everyone's just going to be like i can say this because trump said i could so like there was a um a whitest kid you

know sketch a while ago very funny sketch comedy group you guys haven't heard of them yet she go back and watch some little videos but uh the video was a guy looking at the camera he's like I just wanted to let you guys know that it is illegal to say that I'm going to kill the president of the United States. You can't say that, but you can say that it's illegal to say, I am going to kill the president of the United States. And he kept repeating over and over in the video, like, I am going to kill the president of the United States, but in various contexts. So it wasn't him directly saying it. It was always like alluding to how exactly he was going to kill the president of the United States. It's a very funny video. But, you know,

you can't say there's certain things that like you can't say online ever because people will take them as threats and then the the website that's hosting them becomes responsible to a certain degree after they get big enough so yeah people are just going to end up getting banned from trump book then there's going to be trump two then there's going to be trump junior book then there's going to be evanka book and then there's going to be jared book and nobody'll sign up for that then wait till baron book come oh no baron book i'm in on baron book is baron is he getting d1 offers yet um i heard i heard that he's got uh oscar slatters oh i had that too you can get past that's growing so fast yeah well that's that's not why i got it honestly literally i heard that um because the kid he used to lit i actually have inside sources okay go off uh basically someone saw him with a knee brace in shorts when he used to go to a school in New York City. So he's wearing a knee brace. Like Oscar Slaughtered knee braces.

Okay, first of all, it's called Osgood Slaughterers. Osgood Slaughter's, I think his name of it. And it's a thing where you get like little bone gross right below your kneecaps. I've still got it pretty bad on my right kneecap. But it's if you play sports when you're a kid a lot of times, you develop those. Yeah. And it's not like, it's not a big deal. I would bet that a lot of professional athletes, a lot of D1 athletes have it.

People who grow fast because I remember my cousin had it. Yeah. Yeah, well, again, I had it, so that's probably not always the case. You probably grew fast, but just for a very short period of time. Thanks, Billy. Yeah. But yeah, Baron, he's got to be getting some offers by now. Hopefully he's okay.

Maybe he's wearing a preventative knee brace like an offensive lineman does. I mean, feel bad for the kid. What would be the funniest position in sports for Baron, for Baron Trump to get really awesome at? Running back? Turning into Porcengis? yeah running back like so imagine like giant ass

he's like Derek Henry size right he's wearing way taller than him yeah and he's rocking Trump on the back of his jersey just like running people over in the NFL so it would be very very funny

Tennessee fans will know Jalen Hurd who was running back at UT and I plays receiver for the 49ers but he we've I played against him in high school and he was my height he was 6 5

and like just in high school he was definitely like he was built but not like an NFL player would be like kind of skinny and like he just looked so ridiculous and then he got out there and would just he'd just run into a pile and then he'd just come right out of it and just run he was a 6-5 running back and like everywhere in college wanted him to play receiver and he was like no I'm only playing running back so what you you end up just sticking at so he went to tennessee and butch Jones played him over alvin camera which probably shouldn't

have been happening yeah probably not and now he's a receiver for the 49ers but he hasn't played the game yet he's been like hurt for two years so um i think it'd be hilarious if barren trump became a tight end like just a dominant tall what do you mean he's too tall he's too tall he's too tall he's six seven he's 15 he's going to be about i i'd say you end up 610 is so are you saying that's too tall to be a dominant tight end exactly why or happened there's just a point in football where you get too tall that it's counterintuitive what are you why why would it ever be bad Why would it ever be bad to be? Yeah, low man.

I get that. I'm not asking him to stay in and block on third and one. I'm asking him to run directly out to the end zone and then catch a fade. Yeah, he just gets shoved off like every single route. Do you think LeBron would be bad in the NFL? I think he'd be better. I think he'd be built better than Barron. You don't know that Barron hasn't even reached puberty yet and he's almost 6'10.

But you can't like frames like that can't. support football weight in mass Harold Carmichael Who Carmichael Harold Carmel Unless he's a left tackle Like there's our 610 left

Is he a Hall family Al Villanueva was a He's a pretty good tackle But that's different That's a totally different type of body build Like Baron is like spindly Like he's built like Porzingis Yeah but he can put on weight

His mother Latvian Yeah he can put on weight Well I don't know what kind of country she's from she's from eastern new york big tea uh i i don't think it's latvia it's uh slovenia slovakia that slovenia sounds right and there's like basketball players from there yeah yeah yeah the balkans and uh the balkans have a lot of good basketball players i mean trump and the NBA would be very funny too i said as a hockey goalie he'd be hilarious he would be coli what do you think would happen if like let's just say that baron trump was

projected to be Zion 2.0 even better than Zion maybe. You think there's any team that would avoid drafting them because they don't want to draft Barron Trump? Teams definitely would for sure. But like the Mavericks would be like,

eh, this is really pushing it. I mean, if Barron started... Plenty of other teams. Like the Kings wouldn't give a shit. Right. The ghost of Donald Sterling would be like, yeah, let's trade up. Yeah, I was saying, Harold Carmichael, he played for the Eagles. He was a 20-time pro bowler, Eagles Hall of Famer, Super Bowl champion. Like, he's six foot eight.

Like, I feel like that. Yeah, but that's, but Barron's going to be way taller than six, seven. He's going to be, like, he's 15, he's six, seven. He's probably going to end up around close to seven foot. I think it's just absurd for you to say that Baron Trump at 6 foot 10 would never be a great tight end. I think that if you're 6 foot 10 and you're able to put on weight and get strong, you could definitely play tight end. You see his frame. He does not have the frame to.

All right. I'm going to Google Baron Trump's frame right now. He doesn't have the frame to. Like, I could see him being a power forward in the NBA or like shooting guard. But he doesn't have the footwork. agility you can just tell by the way he walks you think you don't need footwork and agility to play shooting guard in the NBA? No no but like I'm saying

okay I'm looking at this picture right now it's Trump Melania and then it's Barron walking behind them in front of the helicopter in front of Marine 1 he already looks like a tight end this guy this guy looks like he played three years at Notre Dame and now he's in the NFL and he's catching yes and he's catching touchdowns are so like skinny he doesn't have a football player body at He could definitely be a football player. I'm telling you, just keep an eye out.

He's got, he's kind of slight a frame. He doesn't have the bill. He's also 15 years old. Yeah, but look at LeBron at 15 years old. Okay. Or like Rob Gruncowski at 15 year old. Barron Trump or LeBron James, who do you think of better athlete is? I'm just saying I don't think he has, would have any durability.

We also, we don't, we can't say he's going to be 610. Like I was 6'5 and 14. I'm still 6.5 right now. Like it doesn't necessarily mean he's on a trajectory to keep growing five more inches. But he needs to work on a lot of the ball handling skills that you might need, and just in case he doesn't grow anymore. We still want him to be able to be a good two. If he, I mean, he could be, I would see him.

It's more probable everything is crazy what we're saying, but it's more probable he turns into Kevin Durant than he does a tight end of the NFL. So much one of the greatest basketball players of all time. I'm just saying that that Baron Trump becomes. the greatest score in NBA history than it is. Well, look at his bill. That he's able to make one of 32 teams as a tight end.

Eric. Eric Trump Yeah? I think would be a better tight end. You're insane. Who's the tight end for the Mo Ali Cox? Isn't that his name? He was like a basketball player at VCU and they were like, fuck it, you look like you can play tight end. Yeah. And he just, he played the NFL. I think he might still be. Yeah, he played last night. He got a touchdown last night. Oh, really? Yeah. I think

tight end might be the single easiest position to become a pro athlete no no single easy no no no he's so mad no listen billy billy there's there's never been one not one college football player who they just said hey you could probably play in the NBA not once they do it consistently with bad college basketball none of those no no no no they literally those basketball player tight ends never are able to grasp the He was never able to block. He's a terrible blocker. He's good, though. No, but literally they put him in his tight ends

because they're not good enough to be wide receivers. I didn't say they were good blockers. All I said was they'd be professional tight ends. I never said they'd be good. But there are Hall of Favors. Everyone says tight ends. Everyone's literally to be one of the best play. To be a good tight end,

you have to be able to block and do everything a left tackle can do and a fullback. And be able to catch and be athletic enough to make plays. So you think Travis Kelsey is a bad tight end. That's what you just said. I don't think he'll ever beat Gronkowski. Well, no shit. He's the best tight end of all time.

I didn't say basketball play. I didn't say it was the easiest to become the best in the world. I don't respect him. I don't respect Travis Kelsey. Oh, shit. You don't respect him? I respect Jeremy Shockey. You don't respect Travis Kelsey.

I don't respect Travis Kelsey as a tight end. What do you think he is? Just a fat wide receiver? I just think he's a... So I want to go back. What is the easiest position to play in professional sports then if it's not tied down? Oh, my God. You're kidding me?

I just said, be calm. The easiest. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So what is that then? I would say the easiest position to pick up and be able to make a squad if you're an athlete would probably be long snapper. I think you're bad shit out of your mind, actually.

I think you don't know what long snapper is like the position. As someone who long snapped? Do you know what they have? have to be able to do? Like at the professional level, consistently do it perfectly every single time. At the professional level, they put the exact number of rotations on the ball during their snap every single time. So it arrives

to their holder, ready to be put down so the laces go out. Right. They have it down to a size. The thing is to do that, to do that if you took the time and did that time after time after time, that is one skill. Yes, you have to be very good at it. But if you're doing that one skill for three hours, you're

going to get much more utility out of that three hours then if you were to teach a tight end to block catch run routes you don't have to teach athletes to catch like most people most humans know how to catch and like to long snapper there's 32 jobs like at max there's three four tight ends on a team like it's not easier to make to make a team that's all i said i just i just think be the best in the world at it all i said was be on the team like moiley cox is not a top 30 tight end in the NFL right now he's serviceable he's start He's good, but he's not, like, he's not the best tight end on his own team, but he's in the league. He gets paid to be professional tight end.

That's all I said. I didn't say it would be super easy for Baron Trump to be Kevin Durant or Rob Grong. Okay, okay. Here's a, here's a, here's something that might throw you in a bind with that logic, Calvin Benjamin. Sure, it won't. Yeah, he was bad. But he was transitioning to be a tight end. That's just because he got fat.

but he's he was a wide receiver he should have the skills to become we also don't know he would have been a bad tight end he like the coach just didn't want him yeah i i also think that billy's right to a certain extent there are too many tight ends that tried to like former basketball players they try to make work as a tight end and they're just like they do it to a lot of them they do it to too many guys remember they do it to too many guys there was a guy at george mason back when they made the final four remember that back in like 2006 and uh this guy was like he had like he's a thick dude he was able to box out really well but wasn't a great like NBA prospect by any means so they started working him out as a tight end and I think he ran like a five three 40 at the

combat was also a different NFL where they weren't targeting tight ends as much as they do now right it was he probably was he probably was being relied to block more than they would from o'allie Cox it was um they were just trying to find the next ntonio gates at that point but think think about how many basketball players who don't make the NBA that they try to make tight ends how many like a lot because a lot of guys just say that though we're talking like actual things that have happened you can't just say a lot chris heron's son right now is trying he was a basketball player at bc and he's now trying to play football at alabama that's very funny yeah i just saw that recently i was like what and he's never played football before in his life listen i'll

i'll give you that if that one probably won't work out i agree with you there that's one example I mean, the Washington football team just gave big money to a guy who had never seen a football in his life this off-season. Samus Reyes. Yeah. Still haven't seen much of them on the field yet. Probably won't. Well, not year one.

I don't think, like, my argument was never like you're going to be an all-pro if you had just, all I said was it's the easiest league to make at the easiest position to make for people who have never played that sport before. Or even in general. What about Jamon Green? Oh, the one Mississippi.

Michigan State practice highlight tape you saw didn't he catch two touchdowns in that practice too they only just show you the bad block insane yeah so what what position

would you think would be easier Billy he thinks long snapper long snapper is definitely not the right so like baseball there isn't one baseball is completely out hockey's completely out wait is baseball completely out yeah you can't hit

nobody who has never played baseball can walk into a major league field and even touch a ball. What about a pitcher? You can't do that either. What about somebody with tremendous arm strength? With about a quarterback that's never thrown a baseball. Quarterbacks throw like 65 miles an hour.

Yeah, but that's because it's a football. It's not because their arms speed is slower. You can't, pitching is, you can't walk onto a baseball thing. Knuckleballer. Nope. That's even harder. You could learn a knuckleball. I'm convinced that if you gave me 10 years, if you gave most average athletic people,

I think I was talking to Hank about this a while back, If you took an average athlete, maybe played competitive sports growing up, like put them in a cabin in the woods for 10 years with, I don't know, like Tim Wakefield or Ari Dickie or somebody and just had him train to throw a knuckleball. I think most could be able to do it because you don't have to throw, Tim Wakefield through what, like 60 miles an hour? Just fastball would hum in there at like mid-70s? Yeah. So I feel like knuckleballer might be the easiest to do. But you even just said it would take 10 years. Like Antonio Gates just showed up at the Chargers and was all pro.

Yeah, we're talking about picking it up right today. Okay. All right. So, okay, I would agree. Baseball is probably out. Baseball and hockey are out. Yeah. Basketball is extremely out.

Yeah, football is the only one that you could even make. It's only football. And I don't know, like, there's no, any defense, you're just going to be a liability. You can't play lines. Certainly can't be quarterback. I guess you could. if PFF is right, you could just be running back. Yeah.

Actually, you know what I think the right answer is? I think it's punter. I was just going to say that. Punner, I think is the one. I think that's wrong, too. I think that is by the logic of long snapper, by the logic of long snapper, I think punter is so much so wrong.

I disagree. I think that people, there are people that grew up playing soccer that were goalies that have been punting for a long time. There are a lot of people overseas that in the sport they play, they have to punt. it would definitely take some practice and it would take a lot of time to get it

perfect and get the details right. The Falcons, a couple weeks ago had to put Young Wayku into punt because our punter got hurt and he's a professional kicker and he couldn't punt. But there's a difference between kicking and punting. Right, but that's somebody who has all the requisite skills. I'm closer to leaning to place kicker than I am punter. No, no. But all those

European guys you talk about, they don't punt. They place kick. No, the Australians. I'm talking about the Australians. They're all punters. I was thinking of the soccer. Well, you were saying soccer. No, but kicking a soccer ball off the ground is a lot different from kicking a soccer or from kicking a football off the ground. He's got like a different sweet spot.

No doubt. But like the iguillos of the world, I know he didn't exactly pan out, but they had a soccer background. And I think it's because like punting, you have so many, it's just so fast. You're going to be able to catch you.

You're able to take your strides. Like there's so much going on where it's place kicking. Like the ball's just sitting there theoretically. I think. I think it's easy. I don't know. I think punting would be easier to pull off at the professional level because it's, yeah, it's also a timing thing, but with place kicking, people forget that you don't know where the ball is going to be exactly until the second they put it down. Like that's a pretty big adjustment that every kicker has to make on their very last step as they're approaching the ball is like, okay, well, where am I swinging my leg to?

It's way, way easier to just kick a stationary ball than one that has a human being catch it and then put it down. Wait, this might sound stupid, but do NFL kickers start their walk-up before the ball gets there? They start it usually as the ball's in the air. Oh, yeah, they take, so the first step is with the left foot. It's almost like a step in place, and then right foot and then plant foot. Because I just, I just remember in high school every time the ball would be down first before I'm going to try to kick it. Yeah, because the rushers don't come clean or they don't come as fast in high school as they do. So they do it, yeah.

What's stopping a team from just starting, I understand the further back you are, the lower chance you are. But most of these field goals are like in the 30s and 40s. Why not just put it back like three extra yards, buy yourself more time so that you can make sure it's down? I'm sure your percentage would actually go up. That's not a bad question. It might be one of those things. It might be one of those things where it's like teams have just done it at seven yards for so long that that's what it is and that's what they do. but yeah you could

I think in theory you could back it up you could make it like 10 yards behind yeah I think it would mess up the unit though if you're making adjustments time I'm saying practice it this way I'm not saying like don't tell anyone

I know but but I'm saying like for example when you do get to those long field goals you want to hit because we're now in a freak freak show of kicking where we're getting Justin Tucker hitting how much was it 6066 yeah

Did you all see the video of the high school kid in Alabama? It was like a 73-yard field goal. Yeah. And it was maybe a yard short. Yeah. But I... Now, granted, they kick off like a T. So, but I mean, okay, take eight yards off of it.

It's still pretty impressive. It's ridiculous. I think Coley's on to something. I think that if you did back it up, you worked with a long snapper and made it, you know, so he was practiced and he could get it to you at 10 yards. That's, it's not a bad idea. Because I've noticed that it's a. it's a miracle that more kicks aren't blocked

with these guys come off actually that's the answer to the question the easiest position to make would be an edge rusher on special team's field goal block unit you just get a sprinter you get the fastest guy that you can find line them up out wide and be like just run sprint as fast

as you can directly to the spot that's beamer ball baby that's what frank beamer used to do you just go to track practice and be like send me your five fastest kids I'm just going to have them try to block kicks now quick question so we've gotten very off the mark, can we teach Baron Trump to do any of these things

we just talked about? I think you can teach Baron Trump to run a good route, yeah. He won't be able to get off the jam. He's 15, Billy. You can teach him skills. I know 15-year-olds. Is he really still that young?

I don't know. He just looked up. He was born 2006. That's outrageous. Baron Trump's reaching the age where he might be spending some time on Barstlesports.com. yeah i think you got to get baron in motion like you can't leave him just standing at the line

like i get he'll get jam there but you have to get him if you get him in motion i think you got a good chance of getting him open for sure i think i'm going to start blogging blogs for an audience of one for baron trump like baron i know that you're probably just now getting to use the internet without any sort of restrictions on it um i would just like to guide you through the next several years of your life because i feel like you need a friend baron and uh it's my mission to get you to the NFL. If I was a corner on Baron Trump, I would jam the shit out

of him. Yeah? And he wouldn't get off the line. You don't think he could you could escape that? No. I think that might be one of the most overblown things. Like I see wide receivers run free every Sunday. Because they're good. Wide receivers. No, that's not just it. Like a bad, like fucking Nikiel Harry running free. Like that's because they don't jam every play. I understand that. Well, I don't know why you think

Barron's getting, uh, getting the, getting the Revis treatment. A good college football coach could get Baron Trump wide open. Fucking McVeigh. McVeigh's got him running wild on the secondaries. Yeah. Yep. You just got him. Yeah, you got to use his skill set. You can scheme him

open. Yeah, he's that type of talent. So, Baron. You get the ball to, you get the ball to BT and big things are happening. Let me tell you. He would take a lot of late hits. He would there would be some guys that would be playing through the Ian whistle on Baron. He would get. NFL blitz.

laid out over the middle like he's such a huge target yeah his like his hit zone is like huge yeah there'd be some players that see baron coming across the middle and they're like I'm gonna okay this one's not going to be on sports center but uh it's gonna be on this could be on

the low light like the most devastating hits of 2025 the compilation that gets put out on YouTube what's the opposite of like a hospital ball like a Peyton Manning Anthony Gonzalez hospital ball like that if he had Drew Breeze or like Derek Carr's his quarterback.

He's throwing him away from all harm every single past. Yes. Arch Manning and Baron Trump. Those are two guys. You build your franchise around those two. Lock up Super Bowls. It would just be so fucking funny to see like Roger Goodell handing the Lombardi trophy to Baron Trump.

It's all this going in the show? Yeah. We've just been. It's a good conversation. And honestly, Barron, if you're listening, you're 15 years old, you got so much of you're like that. You don't let's- Billy has no faith in your NFL prospects. Don't let some assholes talking to a microphone, let it phase you.

Yeah, there you go. I think we can all check our politics at the door and agree that it would be funny to see Baron Trump to succeed athletically. And we're here to support you as a human being, regardless of political affiliation. It'd also be funny if Baron turned out to be a giant lib. I was going to say him kneeling for the. anthem that would be great yeah what do you think about that big tea any possibility i think everyone should do whatever they want okay i like that he grew up in new york and dc probably is all right uh so welcome back to macrodosing this is a great episode that we have right now

unfortunately we're down down a man and down a woman uh arian is not here today he had doctor's appointment and did i just make that up he had some sort of an appointment Yeah, I read appointment. Appointment. I may have filled in mentally, Docca's appointment. He had a massage appointment. I don't know. Actually, that probably sounds worse.

He had some sort of an appointment he had to attend to. Madeline is not here. I don't know. Is she coming in? No. She's not. No mad dog today. But that just means we got the boys in the studio.

And we're going to be joined by a very special guest, Rick Ness. Rick Ness is a gold miner. He's a professional gold miner. You might have seen him on Discovery or Discovery Plus on the show Gold Rush. It's the number one ranked show on Discovery for the last 12 seasons. So kind of a dynasties building over there. We're going to get to him and talk about gold for a little bit. And we're going to talk about a little bit of gold here because Billy put together a very impressive fact sheet.

Didn't you, Billy? I did. Billy Kane prepared today. He's got all sorts of facts. Big T, do you have any facts today? I got you some facts. That doesn't sound like you have a lot of facts. I got facts.

So the Tennessee Minute real quick, I don't think that we need to talk about. Tennessee football as much because they lost the biggest rivalry. Oh, excuse me, most culturally significant rivalry in the South. Correct. They lost that again. I do. It's been a few years. I do want to say one thing, though.

I've never seen a game with a less indicative final score of how the game went. It was closer than it looked. Yeah. In the second at this. It was 31, 24 in the fourth quarter. Yeah. And that was after we punted on fourth and one at midfield down seven. That's like the only time this season.

I've been like, wow, Josh Hypo really fucked up. But yeah, we lost 52 to 20. whatever it's Alabama but we we played well i thought hooker played pretty well for the most part he was great in the first half he threw that one interception but he was he was great yeah future mat how do you feel about aryan's uh point about the offense now that it's played a real defense in his eyes um i mean we scored 24 points and that was with a turnover like we we we didn't i think it's fine we're going to beat the living shit out of kentucky and we'll be back on track.

We're going to go 7 and 5. 7 and 5. I like it. Bowl game. Bowl eligible, baby. Projected to play Clemson in the Duke's Mayo Bowl right now. You just said at the beginning of the season, Tennessee was going to play Clemson at a bowl game. They'd have put you in a mental hospital.

Definitely a mental hospital. So we've got to put our negotiating pants on too because Tyler's pressing us about Hendon now. Yeah? He wants another bag? He does. Do you think Tyler's taking a cut of whatever cut comes? comes to Hendon Hooker? He might.

I don't know. I don't know exactly, but I got a, we got a random DM from Tyler. I don't remember what time it was. I think it was late. And he was just like, so what do you guys' thoughts on Hendon? I'm like, he's great and we'll figure it out. Yeah. I think that's a fair answer.

Yeah. We can't just make these types of financial, we have to have a board meeting. No, and we can't, we can't just go and be like, yeah, we really want him because then the price of the bricks is going to keep going up. Yeah. You have to be like, I have to, wait for it's always a great tip by the way if you're ever in a position at work where somebody asks you to make a decision you have to say i've got to get approval from my board

on this one and then everyone's like oh okay that makes sense and it's really just a bullshit phrase that you can say to avoid making a decision yeah and it makes you sound more uh more like high high up it makes you makes you really seem like you got some people behind you that are gonna yeah so uh tyler hinden we've got to we've got to talk to the board about it we'll be back in touch. I saw you tweeting about the game. You were watching. You seemed a little excited when we got up 14-7. I was very excited about that. I wanted Tennessee to win. I was rooting for you, man. I appreciate that. I really was because, you know, what's good for Big T is good for America, I always say. A happy Big T. A happy Big T is a pleasant Big T.

How, was this the easiest loss in Tennessee history for you to get over since you had the Braves the same day? Yeah. Yeah, I was out. I was, I wore U.T. shit to the office because I was like just you know you only get 12 of those a year and uh and after the Braves one we went out Saturday night and I was still in all my UT shit I had a great time uh yeah fuck that who cares it's Alabama we lose every year Braves are in the World Series

okay I like it feeling confident I feel really good yeah I think would this be devastating if they lost another world series like are you I've never seen them in a world Are you certain regret that you've come this far because the loss in a world series things? It would suck really, really bad, but they had no business getting here in the first

place. And like, they've, they've gotten over. They've, they've progressed each year, like 19. We got, we lost the NLDS again. Then we finally get to the NCS last year. We blow that. Now we're in the World Series. If they lose, all, it'll be okay. I've never seen them play in the World Series. But obviously, just go ahead and fucking win it. Okay, good luck. appreciate that good luck all right so um that was a tennessee minute that was a quick tendency minute in and out that's how it's supposed to be who do you have next week at tennessee we're off this week and then we have at kentucky okay big week big game big game all right so uh gold let's talk some gold some gold facts back and forth starting with big t gold fact number one

big t um the element for gold do you know what the the symbol is oh uh uh A-G. A-U. A-U. A-U. Orum comes from the Latin. Oh, wow. Billy just came over the top of your fact with bonus fact.

Well, that was the fact. That it comes from. And he just cut in to show that he also had the fact. Did you know that it's Latin? It's my head. Yes. For what?

Orum, which means shining dawn or glow of sunrise. Oh, wow. Billy. It's on you. Also comes from the derivative for aura. Oh, shit. Yeah. I'm learning a lot.

backed off. That's actually fascinating. I didn't know that. So gold, orum, that would make sense that it's like a shiny halo type thing. So the reason why gold has value is because it is the only metal

or one of the only metals that's commonplace that does not oxidize, does not its appearance and like chemical makeup does not decompose over long periods of times. So if they wanted to have something

of value, that kept its original shape, color, and quality. Gold was the best metal out of any of them. Stuff like copper, copper oxidizes, turns green, rust, other metals rust, but gold was just stayed fast. It was sort of had a permanence that held a lot of value because a gold bar would stay like it is and stay mostly the same weight in size and dimensions unless. like messed with and if it was just left alone it keeps all of its qualities so that's why it made

such a good um sort of uh medium to hold value because it would never disappear or something like wouldn't happen to it like it wouldn't decompose in any way okay so it's good for building stuff with it's permanent yeah it's permanent and that's what people liked about it especially okay interesting big tea do you have any more facts um yeah i've got a question for you one ounce of gold yes is about 28 grams do you know if what would you guess if you stretch that into a thread like a single strand thread how long would that be how big is the thread how thick is a thread what gauge are we talking about like i don't i've got gold thread that's what i need to know what gauge gold thread i think pretty thin okay so like maybe like to use

an embroidery oh to stitch with if i'm going to be something like that stitching up with gold I think that one ounce of gold could stretch from here to the moon you're a bit you're a bit far I just like saying from here to move halfway to the moon halfway to the moon it's five miles and back five miles that's still pretty far

still long that's very far that's as high as airplanes fly in the sky so I think so right yeah that's about 6,000 feet like 28,000 yeah yeah that's about right so that's pretty high the gold the amount of gold

on earth has increasingly been mined, but gold production in mining has increased. So even though the amount of gold on earth has been extracted, we're extracting more of it every year. Okay. Is there gold underneath the oceans? We don't know. I bet you there is. I think that we're going to find a shit ton of natural resources in Antarctica when all

this global warming stuff happens. I bet you that there's some gold mines, some gold deposits in the ocean. And we actually get into this a little bit with Rick from Gold Rush. He tells us where gold comes from and how it gets there and if we're going to get any more of it. Actually, stuff that I really had no idea about when it came to gold. When was the big gold rush, the first gold rush? Gold was first mined in prehistory. Okay.

So they found gold mines in Spain, in Ireland, as well as Eastern Europe, the Romans. were very fond of gold and they sort of try to find gold as wherever they could the word carrot as in 24 carrot comes from the carob seed

in ancient Asian bazaars the seeds were used to balance the scales that measured the weight of gold so 24 carrot referred to the density of the weight so that was how they sort of used it

to measure how much gold there is Okay, I didn't know that. Big T, do you have any more facts, gold facts? I can give you, you once. Well, they say this is a fact. I don't think it's a fact. That nearly all the gold on Earth came from meteorites that bombarded Earth 200 million years after it was formed. Okay.

Sure. Sure, that's what happened. It's an alleged fact. We just sat around for 200 million years and then some, yeah, okay. Now, there's some real shit out there. floating through the galaxy floating through the universe on comets like some serious metals

that it's just going through space waiting for somebody to take a claim on it I would like to see mining of asteroids because that's where all the money is find you an asteroid bring me an asteroid and I will set you up with retirement for the rest of your life we need to go to Jupiter then

there is the aspect is if we find too much gold it's going to become worthless scarcity is one of the only reasons why it holds so much value. Yeah, but, okay, I get that if you flood the market with gold, but I think people would still build stuff with it. It might become a little bit less valuable, but if you still had an asteroid that was 25% gold, you're still doing all right.

I also don't believe the scarcity correlation at all, because that was the main selling point of diamonds, which we've talked about a little bit in the past and the price of diamonds has not gone down. We know how many more diamonds there are than we were led to believe initially and that has not. The people who own all the gold are very rich. They're not

going to lessen their wealth. Right, but you guys saw it blood diamond. They take all the diamonds and they hold in a huge vault and they only sell a couple of the diamonds so it's artificial scarcity. Correct. Yeah. That's why I, but we know that.

And it has not lowered the price of diamonds at I also think that gold might be one of those things where the more you see it, the more you want more of it. Like if you see more and more people walking down the street wearing gold jewelry, you're like, I want, I want some gold. Well, remember when you saw the people trying to escape from Afghanistan and the Kabul airport, some of them had bars of gold that they were carrying with them. That's pretty wild. Is gold bulletproof? Probably not. Like if you shot a gold bar, it probably dent a little.

Yeah? I would like to do that at some point Shoot a gold bar Yeah, that'd be cool Some people think all the gold bars And Fort Knox are fake And they're Because you can only see

When you walk into the room of Fort Knox It's like Stacked wall to wall With gold bars So they think that only the front Two It's a veneer Rows, yeah

Are gold and the rest is just like Just whatever It's just like bricks You can't get to it unless you like take away where do you stand on that billy do you think that the gold's real

I don't know it's the whole thing so when you start to read about how gold and gold reserves were treated in war so it turns out like if you invaded another country you were just taking their gold reserves that was the first thing you did

and sort of this whole game of you know like if you look at medieval medieval Europe if you look at like a little after that and the colonial period and everything. Like, they're all just stealing each other's gold. Do you actually want to hear who has the most gold?

And it's actually, will surprise you with, if you know, a little history. Okay. So who do you think has the most gold? Like what country? Yeah. Let's do a guess. Who do you guys think has top five gold reserves in the world? Okay.

I'm going to guess Russia is on there for a couple reasons. One, they've got so much land area that they probably have a lot of mineable stuff. Asteroids seem to hit their. every day according to the various dash cams that I've seen so I'm going to go Russia this is gold reserves well what's the difference gold reserves is like in bars in their treasuries already already mine already mines like they used to back back when the gold standard was thing they use it to back a lot of it okay um I'm gonna say I'm gonna throw out Ireland Ireland England yeah okay France China okay Italy, Vatican City.

Oh, that's actually a good one. Okay. Are any of these correct? Or are you just going to keep saying okay? Nope. So, they're all wrong. So number five is Russia. Okay.

Number four is France. Okay. So they were correct. So I got two so far. Number three is Italy. Okay, that's three. Number one is the U.S. Okay.

Guess who's number two? We just, okay. Germany. Germany. How the hell does Germany have the second? most gold. I, like, from that sort of thought process where they were saying that, like, when you get into wars, you know, you just take each other's gold, like, Germany should have zero gold.

Switzerland just held it for him for a while. Yeah. Well, where the hell? Switzerland's seven. China is six. But the thing is, the U.S. has 8,000 metric tons of gold. Germany has 3.3,000. And then the IMF has 2.8.

Italy is 2.4. France is 2.4. Russia has 2.2. China has 1.9, and then Switzerland has 1,000 metric tons. I'm watching right now a video of a guy shooting gold. Me too. I just watch that. Yeah, you guys all watch it?

Yeah. Incredible. This guy just like sets up a brick of gold and just starts fucking blasting it. Demolition Ranch. Is that what you're watching? Yeah, I'm watching demolition ranch. The top comment was killing me. It was like, we just can this 50 caliber pierced through the Mona Lisa.

He's got some. awesome guns too that he's shooting it with yeah and then he's now he's autographing the gold that he just shot uh that's pretty fucking cool he says it loses 10% of value based on the like he estimates 10% of the gold was blown out of it by him shooting it and then he says in the comments since the price of gold has gone up since the video he's auctioning it off for 52,000 originally a $45,000 gold fund. Like, what a guy. That's a guy I'd like to hang out.

I'm subscribing to this YouTube channel. If you like YouTube, first of all, subscribe to us, spackerdosing, but Demolition Lanch, ranch, if you like seeing Shick get blown up and different things with guns, he is by far the best on YouTube. I do like that, every.

This guy's like, yeah, he's just blowing up gold. And then this gold is now worth 10% less depending on how shot it is. That's a standard industry. thing. But if I shoot it, it actually gets more expensive because I have 10 million subscribers on YouTube. You know who has like zero gold? The United Kingdom. Oh, really? Those bitches? Yeah, they have like 310 metric tons. Why? I don't know. I think the U.S. took all their

gold. I think that the UK is a fraud empire. I think they've always been frauds. I think that... Yeah, no, they are. Like, yeah, you used to have, you know, territories in every single time zone, used to colonize places. But you had this little bitch-ass island. you tell me that you were invading everywhere in the world, but you're still going to stay in your foggy little shit island where everyone's miserable all the time? No, if you actually had the power, the manpower to travel around the world and dominate other cultures and civilizations,

you would have gone to one of the better places to live. You wouldn't have stayed in the little United Kingdom area. I feel like you would have taken the first opportunity that you had. You would have seen the Australian coast. And you've been like, yeah, I'm going to go. there instead you're saying it should reverse you should have sent all your prisoners to the UK and then you should have lived on the gold coast in Australia I don't know I just I don't respect the British Empire I just don't never have probably never will talk that shit King you know what the

most celebrated holiday in the world is no independence from Great Britain is it I read that somewhere that's probably no that I can see that so like each country has an individual yeah Independence Day from Britain. Seriously, so many have them. How could they, how could they just dominate, like India, for example? They were vastly outnumbered in India. Their tiny little island was a speck of dust halfway across the world. I mean, they're little bitches.

No, I mean, did India read the art of war? No, that's your answer. Yeah, they didn't. And obviously, they had, like, guns and stuff that they brought over and violently subjugated them. But I'm just saying like, I think England was only doing that because they were acting out this whole time. They were just angry at themselves. And so they were, the old saying is hurt people, hurt people, Coley.

And I think that growing up on the island of England, I know that's not the actual island, but I'm going to call it that because I'm being disrespectful intentionally. So growing up in that shitty environment just makes people want to lash out. They have to pretend like they're being gentlemen all the time. And they're like, you know what? I'm just secretly very angry on the inside, and I can't wait to go to a different country and completely enslave whatever people they have there. They built an empire off anti-vaxing.

Yes, yes, it's true. Billy, what were you going to say? Yeah, England sold all their gold to us during World War II. Really? I'm sort of getting really obsessed with like where all this gold's going. So it just gets transferred around the world like that. So basically when during World War II, almost like a bunch of countries sent

all their gold to Canada, US and other places. France sent their gold to Senegal in order to keep it safe. So that's why England sent their gold to us so we'd keep it safe and we just didn't give it back? Well then they like needed loans and shit so then we just took in collateral.

Pretty sure. But then, but then I think FDR bought all the gold. Yeah, so I guess we were just saying we're not going to go to war until you give us all your gold and then once once we've bled you dry then we'll jump in yeah executive order 6102 is an executive order signed on april 5th 1933 by fDR forbidding the hoarding of gold coin gold bullion gold certificates and so because of the great depression

hoarding of gold they basically bought all the gold huh very cool uh do you guys own any gold? No. Jewelery. Yeah? You got a chain? Yeah, I got a gold rope. You've definitely seen them. I probably have. I don't own any gold. I would like to. I feel like I'm not a man. Like, I don't, I don't own any land. I don't own any gold. I don't own a firearm anymore.

Well, you live in New York City. They'll put the kibosh on that real quick. Yeah, I had to turn it in. I had to turn it in. I had to surrender. render my firearm. Actually, if you become part of the housing authority in New York, you can get a firearm. Okay. But it's not even law enforcement. It's just housing authority? It has something to do with having to evict

people from public housing. At gunpoint. Yeah. Wait, so if I want to, if I want to kick people out of their own homes at gunpoint, then I have to work for the housing authority? Something like that. I don't think that's true. No. people who can own guns that's right that's definitely right so yeah there are different exemptions

that you have but i just feel like i'm i'm missing all the big ones of being an actual man in the world you know like growing up and i know that's for concealed carry okay so anyone who is 21 years older above and has an american citizenship can buy a gun in new york city yeah you can have one you just can't do anything with it or carry it ever or yeah what else what else what else Would I need to become a man? Unless you're a crap. I'm not subscribed to any various, like, monthly shaving kit boxes. I feel like that's another big thing that guys do.

Yeah. Like the man, the man box. Once a month, we're going to send you a different whiskey glass and a pocket knife. Welcome to being a man. That actually sounds like a cool business. It's good to be a guy. Manbox.com. Actually, don't go to there.

Don't go to that website. something tells me you might uncover something you weren't necessarily searching for that's fine your hair your hair is big yeah it's true

but it's also I don't know get mistaken from a woman for you know if somebody comes up from behind how long has your hair been like that seven years I think yeah about seven years where was the start like how long was it

when you just like committed to the bit. It's like Billy's length. Okay. My hair was real short. Yeah, it looked like a marine. Manbox.com is a free domain, so we could try to get it if we want. We should get manbox.com. And just use it to sell macro-dosing stuff.

Yeah, and also that product. I'd feel like people would buy it. Yeah, shaving soap delivered straight to your door by a hot secretary-looking girl. Manbox.com. for men for men uh so any more gold facts billy oh there's a ton i want i want to learn about the gold standard that's what i want to learn about so money used to like dollar bills used to be representative of their value in gold yep but the government owned all the gold now those are called greenbacks right yeah i think they're called greenback dollars and they represent specific

amount they were gold certificates yeah so 78 percent of the world's yearly supply of gold is using jewelry. So wait, wait, back when it was representative of a bar of gold, could I in theory take like a $20 bill, a $20 gold certificate and show up to Fort Knox and say, I would like

gold for this? In theory. Okay. But I don't think they let you. I got to say one more thing about this man box thing. Yeah, go off. There's a website, man dash box.com and their slogan is be a man, get a box. call them we want them to advertise i want to buy that domain too i want to corner the market on man boxes

man box we've got stones that you put in your freezer and they get cold like ice cubes and then you put them in your whiskey tumbler manbox dot com i feel like i could come up with a million different things to put in a man box make your own jerky man box The bow and arrow kit that you build You make the arrows yourself The whiskey glass that holds your cigar

Oh yeah Yeah big cigar stuff I feel like the man box Type companies sell cigars To a bunch of guys that never smoke cigars And they get the cigar month And then they try them And they just spent the next week coughing

And smelling like shit I love being a man Wait a second Do we take any gold from Saddam I hope so Well him and his sons had Pick of socks. His son's had a shitload of gold.

I'm like reading about the gold standard. Basically, countries, it used to be that you could only lend out as much money as gold you had. So that's why I was tied to the gold standard. So that sort of is why countries went to war to get other countries gold. That was really the driving factor behind wars. It was like gold and then spices, like salt and pepper. I just Googled gold from Iraq and it just came up on Google. Iraq, Olympics all time, gold medals, zero.

Oh, that's tough. That's a, that's a nasty shot. But I'm looking at all these, there's a bunch of pictures of U.S. soldiers with gold bars. But PFT, since me and you were closer in age, did you ever grow up thinking you'd come across more gold in your life? Like, I feel like cartoons made it seem like gold bars were in all of our futures. Yeah, gold bars is like, and you would know if somebody gave you a gold bar exactly how much money. that was, you know, like, I'd be like, oh, yes, I'll do the job for this $10,000 bar of gold that this feels right to me. I felt like there would be more nuggets, more gold nuggets than there

are because I see gold flex. Sometimes I see gold bars and pictures. But I don't think I've ever come across an actual gold nugget. Like you used to always see, there would be a grizzled old man with a beard and a prospector's hat and a pickax and he would pull out a nugget of gold with his index finger and thumb it would sparkle in the sun. I used to think that gold nuggets would be a thing that would be everywhere,

but I've never seen one in person. I've never seen a nugget. I've never stumbled upon an X on the ground which I could dig in and harvest a chest filled with coins. None of it. And it feels like I've been lied to by the liberal media, as Big T would say.

Yeah. Well, you certainly have been. I mean about most things But Specifically treasure chests And X is on the ground Yeah I mean we know Some of the secrets they're keeping

Lord knows what else They don't want you to know Okay guys I got a new view on things Now that I know about how gold works Okay so this is a nice glimpse into Billy's mind Where he starts doing research on a subject And 45 seconds later His entire worldview has been changed on it

Based on the article he most recently read But yeah go off hypothetically so back when we were on the gold standard we could only lend out the government can only lend out money to central banks who lend out money to smaller banks who end up giving money to other people

who are like regular people so if you increase how much gold you have you can lend out more money so hypothetically if it was economically prosperous to go to war and take other people's gold to fuel your own economy if we took a bunch of gold from Iraq

and it was supposed to help the economy would you guys feel better about it? Would I feel better about the Iraq war if we took all their gold in our economy was sweet? Yeah. For how long? Eight years. No, I mean, probably not.

We still, like a million people died. That's pretty bad. Hypothetical question. Yeah, why do you ask? I don't know it turns out I'm seeing pictures of dudes with a ton of gold Okay So you're saying that the Iraq war

Is actually a resounding success Well If we got I mean we got a ton of gold I started seeing how gold Sort of works into everything You're seeing that gold behind the scenes Big gold Makes things move

Yeah Yeah Real quick Between growing chest hair Eating steak Saving damsels and distress And all the other manly things you do We know you don't have the time

And that you are too worn out after a long day's work to even think about shopping that's where man box comes in okay that wasn't actually a real advertisement for the show that was i just wanted to read the tagline for manbox dot com i know me personally i'm so busy growing chest hair and eating steak that i don't have time to buy a shirt like my shirt i haven't bought a new shirt in years just there are too many damsels i've been saving you guys manly to shop too? Yeah.

I actually haven't gotten clothes shopping in years and I I like need clothes. You do? Yeah. What kind of clothes you need? I like need sneakers. You want them from a box?

I need them from a box. I know the perfect place for you, Bill. I'm going to go to boybox.com. No, I'm a man, bro. What would you include in your first in your first month? your first month's man box what do you get first month's man box like if i if i were to design my own for myself well i'm just uh for no for like customers boots to do work in because

i think we may have a real business okay uh you i'm trying to think of all the stuff that goes credit cards you can you can you can just go get that are you get a like you get a leatherman tool you know the all in one type tool like that you get one of those but it's also got like um it's got your name engraved on it sick and uh it's got a bald eagle shooting an m16 also fuck yeah desert eagle a gun yes you think a gun just a loaded weapon just shipping firearms 50 caliber desert eagle yeah i'm going to give you a copy of an alec Baldwin movie no no um what's the uh what's the uh was a flint stone what's the knife sharpening stone oh yeah oh like a grindstone yeah it's a i think a flintstone you can make a spark with

right right i'm thinking of like the sharpening uh tool yeah knife sharpener a bar of gold yeah a bar of gold you think so a $2,000 no but let's say modern modern man if you had to give like as someone who just graduated college and just like in the real world like a good setup just like for you like you're in the real world here's a kid What would you put in that kit? In the kit of Welcome to the Real World kit? Yeah. Like stuff that you need, that you don't realize you need when you're...

Okay. It would be, it would look like a bar of gold, but it would really just be a mofi, just a charger, just a phone charger. You need a phone charger. Your phone will run out of batteries at the worst possible time. A credit card with a very low limit to build credit. Mm-hmm. A condom. One.

is this man box brand or just man box brand or just we're making our own well yeah no that's the side site the sister site okay or chick box or just a box it's just a box it's like a jack in the box which just punches you in the nuts no i would leave that one out to sterilize you i would leave that one out probably um i would i would include a uh like a whistle that when you blow it the closest uber stops by and picks you up No, you don't think an Uber whistle would sell Own yourself A phone, a credit card?

Yeah, I invented a phone Yeah, there's really, guys, we have it pretty easy these days So easy It's never been a better time to be a guy Yeah, they don't like make us go to war anymore No Well, I mean, yeah, in the last six months True

Like, when was the last, well, no, the last war that we started what was last draft Vietnam? Last draft was Vietnam, yeah. Yeah, so I think that was what you were talking about, right? Yeah. Making us go to war, yeah, draft. Yeah, it's not a bad time to be a dude.

No, it's like every, every guy that's like 60 or older didn't really have the childhood like before child labor laws and stuff like that. Like the very concept of like playing outside as a man as a boy is very, green in human history. Yeah.

Playing outside. A leather jacket. I feel like going into manhood, you need a good leather jacket. You need one leather jacket? Yeah, just one. Uh-huh. I think a set of golf clubs.

Yep. Yes, absolutely. I don't go. Why do you guys have time to golf? I don't get it either. Yeah, like what, like... You make the time. If you want to do, you make the time.

But that's something that like, when all other sports fail, you can't play competitive. of sports anymore that's it that's all you got nice saturday morning it's yeah just a good time to spend outside i really want to golf with big tea i know he does golf with you too i'm horrible at golf golf is just such an inefficient way to get the things you think you like out of golf like for example like exercise being outdoors there's so much more efficient ways to get those but there are not more enjoyable ways it's just being out with the fellas i billy's kind of right though that

a lot of times people go out to golf to get the things that are golf adjacent but they don't want to admit to themselves like I need to hang out with my friends outside yeah you have to golf like mark walberg to do that so there's like an excuse where it's like oh yeah we're going out to play golf because we're going to compete against each other that's what we want but deep down inside they just crave hanging out with friends outside they're just getting drunk anyway and just much more expensively they hate their families is also a key factor like There's no, it's the only, like, excuse people have to be like, oh, no, sorry, honey, I need four hours away from you today.

Yeah, fun fact, golf doesn't actually exist. It's just a big lie that guys have all agreed to. So, ladies, I'm sorry that we're breaking the news to you, but when your husband says, I'm going to go out and golf with the fellas, they're just, they're literally just going to a strip club for four hours. And golf doesn't, it's not a real thing. Imagine if you, like, your husband went golfing all the time and you're like, oh, can I come golfing with you sometime and then you go and he's terrible

but everyone is they are everyone is everyone's very bad at golfing oh okay this is totally off the subject of what we're talking about today but i got to share this with you okay so saturday night i'm in dc and go out to dinner and uh in dc certain things are legal so i partook in certain things before i went out to dinner i got high went out to eat sick And it was a great time. Outstanding meal. I went to the Pembroke. Great meal.

But I was sitting at this table and there was this guy that was going on a date. It felt like a second date. I was kind of surmising that it was not their first date because she was asking questions like, oh, so did you end up seeing your grandmother last weekend or whatever? They had a small baseline of familiarity with each other. They were starting the conversation with like, oh, it's so great. to see you again. Yeah, I had a really nice time getting to meet you. So I'm thinking it was like second date, maybe third date. And they're having a conversation. I was not trying to eavesdrop,

but they were, you know, saying like, well, you had the shrimp last time. Where are you going to have this time? And then he was like, yeah, you know, I think I'm going to get some French fries to get started. And we'll see how this goes. And she goes, you seem you seem like you're a little bit upset are you okay and he was like man my mom just started dating this new guy and i'm not sure if i like him just yet and he was like angry he was like angry about it and it's funny because like he's going to this relationship at the same time that his mom is starting to date a new guy and now there's a budding rivalry between like your mom's boyfriend and you and it just maybe i was just like really high at the time but like it gives you a little window into that guy's soul he's just like

walking around all day stewing about the fact that a guy is dating his mom that's got to be a bizarre situation to be in to be like my mom i'm single how old was this fella he was like 35 or 40 so he was an old guy and he was like pissed off about his mom's boyfriend and i just imagine that like 30 40 years from now once they're married and he's married they're going to get like a moment together where they'll just be hanging out and be like we both made it we both made it we both made it We both made it through that, that tough time together because there's like a little rivalry going on. I don't think that you ever get to a point in life where you're like totally happy with your mom dating a guy, right? No, right.

Why would you? Like, unless like it was like a horrible divorce where your dad was like the worst person of all time, then you're like, yeah, this guy seems way nicer than that dickhead. But yeah, I don't know. but it like my dad died what four almost four years ago now and my mother moved into like uh like an over 55 type community on the cave and my antenna is always up like who's this fucking who's this yeah do i have to beat up a 65 year old like what's going on here you better treat her with respect old man yeah yeah it's home by 10 yeah yeah it was it was just it was a weird thought process i got myself into and i was just like i was cracking up thinking about this guy just like shaking his head and like going home just stewing being mad about his mom's boyfriend being kind of a jerk to him yeah it's like you you you become the parent in that situation like your mom's now a teen and you're the parent you're just like you you you better get you better at dinner movie home that's that's that's what you guys are doing tonight mm-hmm uh we got any more gold facts billy yeah we got a couple

more um the first purely gold coins are manufactured manufactured in the asia minor kingdom of lydia in 560 bc gold has a number of artificial unstable isotopes the exact number depends on the scientist to consult but occurs naturally only as a u 197 you can eat gold gourmet shop sell edible gold leaf and flakes that add glitter to everything from pastries to vodka to olive oil um some people are allergic to gold I've seen the gold flakes and vodka before. Cold's logger. Yeah. Earthquakes can create gold. Okay. How does that happen? Water in faults and fractures vaporizes leaving gold behind.

I don't think it creates. It doesn't create. It distills down. Yeah. There's something I think we skipped past a little too quickly earlier. Big T. When you were furious about the asteroids and the 200 million years and all that, what part of it specifically didn't you agree with uh 200 milly there's just it's just

that's nonsense just too far it's just nonsense it does sound like they just threw out a number yeah i mean how do you know uh i don't believe it wait what about 65 million no millions no millions 900 000 i don't know i don't know what the exact number is i know it's not 200 million okay what's the what's like the latest date you believe if something like how um i i don't know i really don't know i don't know what i think about that but i do think it's not 200 million i do think it's sorry good no i i agree i think like saying 200 million that seems almost too conveniently clean of a number yeah you have that as well it's just such a uh grand amount of time to be able to process like i don't i'm not even making fun

of like the Christianity part of this here that I assume people think I am but it's more like I almost agree like it's such a preposterous amount of time I agree that it probably did come from an asteroid a lot of things on this planet were delivered here that way but it's just such a prepot like even fucking dune have anyone else here seen dune not yet not yet I want to it's not a spoiler it just the opening scene it just sets like the time it exists and it's like year 10,171. And I was a little too high when I read that. And it just like sent me into a I was like, oh, that's going to be a year. I would assume. Like that seems so not at this thousand years. Not at the rate we're going. Well, not on earth necessarily, but the year will

still happen. Yeah, sure. We need Arian to explain to us how time works because I think the year will definitely still happen, right? For sure. A hundred percent. It's happening now according to Aaron. Yeah, it's happening right now. I still need clarification. that i don't i still don't get that it's a continuum man i don't really get it either but i think i think i get parts of it um but yeah it's like space and time is the same that's kind of what do you believe that like do you think all time is happening at once i don't know that's way above my pay grade like all i know is that there's we got the manning cast coming back on tonight and we're going to get Drew Brees or yeah we're going to get James Winston playing in the rain in Seattle

and I'm hoping to God they show somebody throwing a fish at Pike Place Market going out to commercial break that's all I'm hoping for now like that my that's as far in advance as my brain can can process things so no I don't know if we're living inside of a singularity moment where every moment of time has already happened and will already happen what do you think Billy. China creates, produces the most gold. They find the most gold. They produce 440 tons per year.

How do we know that that's true? Couldn't they just say that? That's the big thing about this gold stuff is like much like you're saying with Fort Knox. Couldn't China just be like, yep, we set another record again? And then you're like, can we check it? Nope. Very secretive country. Please stay out.

Why aren't they top five if that's, case. I don't know. That's what's strange. Their reserves aren't top five. I think they do make a lot of money using that gold, putting into electronics, other things, selling it. But, boy, looking at the gold reserve numbers. A bunch of North Korea probably claims that they have a bunch of gold. They're really into scams. North Korea, the way that they operate is very similar to the mafia in that they were getting paid a shitload of money every year on bogus insurance claims. So they would say like, hey, we just had this giant factory that burned down, and we had it insured for $400 with Lloyds of London, although I don't think Lloyd's London does business with them anymore, but there would be other

European or international insurance companies that would insure their factories. Yeah. And then they'd be like, yeah, that entire factory burned down, sorry, can you pay us the $200 million that you owe us? And then the insurance companies would be like, no problem. Can we just send some inspectors in to check and make sure that the factory was destroyed? And they'd be like, nope, yeah, we're not going to be able to let you do that. we're very secretive and then eventually they just like wear them down and eventually get like

a hundred million dollar settlement out of them that was the biggest source of revenue for all of north korea for i think two or three decades which just insurance scams which i mean tip of the hat that's it's pretty impressive they make a lot of meth too did they do yeah north korea does yep damn i don't know that yeah huge meth producers crystal crystal yeah that's that's a good stuff like really good crystal meth we're not talking biker crank yeah they they use labs they put breaking bat to shame all right so uh wait back at least you sound like you know a lot about this stuff meth yeah crystal meth is north korea's trendiest lunar new year's gift okay i like so inside the red packets instead of like coins it's just like yeah a couple grams a couple geez of glass

also they've got some big big production facilities down in Mexico too so they're doing like yeah industrial scale I wanted to actually talk about this so like

the U.S. is going to look to like start another war soon yeah you can yeah we're about due yeah you know just like we're in the Middle East

out of the Middle East like looking for a new little project something tells me we'll be back in the Middle East soon yeah I think that's more of a temporary homecoming. You know what it might be the best place to just deploy and try a nation build and do everything we're doing?

England. We should, fuck this waiting around bullshit. We should take England over. Go and bait England? Yeah. It's coming home, bitch. No, what about, what about like?

I mean, why not? What's stopping us right now from taking over England? I don't think that there's a good reason not to. This is such a specific thing, but I really want to play England in the World Cup next year, and I want to beat them, and I just want to tweet that two-second clip. It's coming home, bitch. It's coming home, bitch.

I do too. I want to do that, too, Big T. Where are you saying that we should invade? We should invade the cartel in Mexico. We should just invade Mexico? Yeah. Okay. But just...

To take their drugs? No, just like to destroy the cartel. Okay. You're working under the assumption that they don't already work for us. Good point, Coley. True, but it would be a good use of our time. If we're going to go do, yeah, we, like, you know, we stopped the drugs. Like, if we, like, did a full occupation, like, took it all on.

This sounds, it sounds an awful like what we just got done doing in Iraq. Exactly, but it's going to happen. I'm just like, I don't want it to happen, but they're going to send everybody somewhere else. They are. And spend money because there's a lot of industry. There's a lot. You need to keep feeding that beast. I mean

Well, let's see If you had to rank right now Which countries are we the most likely to have Like an actual war with Is that what you're talking about? No, not a war We can go to war But it's like an occupation

An occupation or like A mild invasion I think the cartel is probably more powerful Than ISIS Right now Yeah, maybe I can call an ISIS a JV team No

No I'm saying the cartel is that good what was it big t isis was al Qaeda's jv team yeah that's what uh it's what everyone's favorite president said yeah huh w no miss me yet uh i think that we i could see an invasion of taiwan happening yeah but then we'd have to we'd have to we step in that would be a mess oh by the way you know how china's got that new uh missile delivering system that's insane yep I got a new theory. Okay.

The UFOs are 100% U.S. creation. And that's why we're so chill with the whole thing. Okay. Do you have any sort of evidence behind this? Nope. I'm just using it to sleep well at night. Okay. Yeah, I'm down with that.

Yeah. Sure. I could also see us, let's see, where else could we invade? I feel like Belize. No. Belize gives off strong invasion vibes. It's got a lot of beach front on there. A lot of cartel movement goes through Belize.

There's a lot of trafficking. and it would be an easy win. That's really what we need right now. We need a cupcake. We need to find somebody to like get us a win. Yeah, FCS team. Yeah, FCS. Yeah.

The Jets, yeah. Sudan's got a little insurrection going on. Do they? Yeah. We could go over there, crush an insurrection real quick. Yeah. What about like Turkey? No, they got a little too much power.

Yeah, Turkey's messy because they sit in a position. We can't be afraid of Turkey if we want to be a world power. No, no, we're not afraid of Turkey, but it's like there's, There's Russia, there's China. Yeah, a lot of competing interests. That's like, yeah, that's... You've got... You can talk about Taiwan.

I know, but Taiwan... That was a mistake. Hand up. Hand up. Taiwan, like, if Taiwan starts going off, then we have to go over... Like, that's a world... That's World War III. All right.

Turkey, I feel like the position, the location of Turkey on a global scale gives it a lot of advantages. I think it'd be messy. I think it'd be very messy to start some shit with Turkey. We want a clean war. No, not... Yeah. Like, Turkey, you're...

turkey's too wrapped up it's got too much baggage we need someone who's yeah turkey's a messy bitch yeah historically one of the messiest bitches in in the world yeah that that thing's been run through by a few dudes and so i'm saying uh i may constance yeah i had a turk i i would say like um one of the northern south american countries too like a suranam or a guiana I could see that being a real easy dub for us. Cuba. No, but it'd be, we've proven time and time again. We've got nothing for Cuba. I mean, the Bay of Pigs may have been like an all-time botched job.

Like it's fucking Cuba. It's 90 miles from Key West. They probably all got drunk on rum before. How do you botched that invasion? They just, they retrain Cubans. Yeah, we didn't go full send. Like we didn't full send with the army. Yeah.

but missiles cold war all right so name some names Billy thinks that we're going to be invading Mexico next or that we should, excuse me, that we should invade Mexico not invade Mexico but maybe just like send our military to destroy

the cartel in Mexico okay who do you think Big T we're looking for an easy win I don't know that the cartel I'm not looking for an easy one I'm just saying if we're going to go like do an occupation

and spend 20 years somewhere like might as well be there I think, I think one of those Central American countries you were talking about. That, that really is an FCS game. You pay the in-state FCS team to come up, get their ass kick. You hand them a $800,000 check and sit them on their way. We should just like, yeah, we should pay a country to go to war with them. Be like, hey, we're just going to kick your ass for a while.

Sorry, we just said, you know, sometimes you just got to get some stress. We're going to keep your program running for the next little while with the check we're going to give you. Yeah, we're going to burn it to the ground, but you'll be able to rebuild and rebuild better. Panama, Panama could be another one. Like, give us that canal back.

Sorry, Jimmy Carter's a liar. What's up? I don't think we, you need something justifiable. I feel like the cartel Mexico's justifiable. Yeah,

we can figure out a way to justify anymore. I think we've kind of learned that. I want, I want to see the Cayman's on our schedule. I want the Cayman Islands, uh, road game.

Yeah. That's actually not a bad idea either because we could, you could justify that invasion. like they're withholding $50 billion a year in taxes from us. Okay, here's it. We owe them money as a nation.

We're in debt to the to the Caymans. Are we? What? Yeah. Me and Tyler one, one mixtape ran through because we were trying to figure out the deficit.

Like, what do you mean? Like, where is all this money? And so we ran down all the countries we owe money to, obviously China number one. And it's most of the countries we owe money to. Like, there's not many countries,

we are not currently indebted to and the Caymans are on that. That's disgusting. Yeah, but debt isn't necessarily bad when you have a AAA credit rating. Mm-hmm. What about? And we have old the gold.

Yeah, which that feels like when someone owes you like 20 bucks and you see them with like a new pair of shoes on, you're like, why don't you just pay me my 20 first, then you can go get this shoe. But I think they're collecting, they're collecting, they're collecting interest on that. I mean, the Caymans have all of, if they wanted to just stop giving billionaires their money back, they'd be in a real bind.

Epstein's Island. Let's invade that. Little St. James? Yeah. Yep. I'm down for that. We should invade Greenland. We should just, fuck trying to buy it. Let's just invade it. Iceland says that they control Greenland. Give me a break, Iceland. I want you to take care of your own mess at home. So you hate Iceland, England? You got beef with anybody else? No, I don't actually hate Iceland. I like Iceland a lot.

just saying it's preposterous to me that a country, the size of Iceland, also claims to own an island the size of Greenland. Well, Greenland's much smaller. I know, because it's at the polls. Right. It's distorted, but it's also still way bigger than Iceland. Very unoccupied, though. Very unoccupied. I say we just take Greenland.

That's almost like the spring game, the practice game. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Take over Greenland, maybe even sprinkle a few troops down at the Antarctic Circle. See what's going on down there? Keep an eye on the South Pole. And then, you know, then we start to build up some confidence. Next thing you know, we're taking over Sri Lanka. You know who's getting a ton of new good land just by happenstance?

Russia's global warming. Russia's getting a ton of new shipping lanes in the north. Mm-hmm. And some of the land that was just like frozen tundra is now like being decent farmland. Siberia? Yeah. Yeah. I think that.

Sentinelese Islands could be a good place for us. us to really, really practice. No, that would literally be us playing a Pop Warner team. Yeah, it would turn into an inter-squad scrimmage pretty quickly. What if they just dominated us, though? Are you kidding? What if they got us sick with a bunch of diseases

that our bodies weren't prepared for? I think we got way worse pathogens. They probably don't even have COVID. You ever read guns, germs, and steel? I've read the back jacket of it. It seems very interesting. That's about what I did when we were supposed to read it in school. Yeah, it's about globalization, right?

How those three things impacted. Yeah. World trade, world exploration. Yep. I'm still, like, at a loss for why we haven't invaded England. Because they gave us all their gold. Sounds like we just kind of stuck them up for their gold. I think, yeah, notes do.

Notes do again. Keep paying me. Yeah. Europe, legit, the U.S. is just, like, give us all your gold, and we promise you will never actually have to get into a war. in the next hundred years. So do you think that the price of gold is going to get, it's going to go up, not based on conflict or anything like that, but the stuff that we're making with gold right now is way

different from the stuff that we're making with gold 100 years ago, 200 years ago, right? Like 200 years ago, we're making like ships and we're making structures that needed to stand for hundreds of years, if not thousands. And now the gold is going towards smaller increments, smaller quantities in like a phone and computer processors I think they use it on the space station and stuff like that so it's going towards stuff

that's more easily replaceable that people are throwing away their phones every two years but when you throw like electronics away the first thing you do is strip the gold do they? They just smash it all up and then sift out the gold the same way they do it in the dirt

oh I don't know that that's what they do all electronics so how much gold do you think is inside your phone right now probably a minuscule amount like less i would say there's 20 cents worth or maybe a dollar 20 cents to a dollar worth how much gold is inside an iphone uh 0.034 grams of gold so 0.033 yeah 0.034 grams of gold so 33 would be a gram which is a 28th of an ounce it's 18,000 and ounce.

It is worth. Let me try to do this in my head. Let me try to do this in my head. 18,000 announce. A 28th of that is, um, 1,800 times 3, which is like $5,500. And then it's a 30 third of that. I, so it's like, $1,300. No.

No, no, no, no, 130. No, it's $1.72. cents. What? 0.034 grams. I do like the detail that Big T got into on that calculation. Just be wildly wrong. Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on.

What? I'm seeing a dollar 50, but this was from an old iPhone. Yeah, that was a lot of math. I got sidetracked. The iPhone 5 had $1.58 cents of gold, 36 cents of silver, 5 cents of platinum, 12 cents of copper. Not a math guy. Yep.

All right, so I guess, yeah, it's probably not that efficient to extract the gold yourself from an iPhone. But if you had, like, a bunch. But they just sell it back. Yeah. All right. You got any more gold fund facts for us? Gold. Gold is weird.

I actually feel like, you know how gold got its value from just being everlasting and non-changing? I feel like that's kind of how Bitcoin has value Okay Because it's honestly more accessible So I think it actually has more properties Than gold to be valuable I don't

I don't understand how like a made up thing Could have more properties So think about this The internet Do you think the internet's going anywhere? I don't know I don't that's a very That's a maybe the most

nebulous question ever asked. I know, but do you think the internet's going anywhere? Do I think the internet is going anywhere? Do you think we're going to have in situation? It is. Now that, that's fascinating. The internet's going somewhere. No, but let's say the internet. Wait, wait, do you mean it's going away? Do you think it will ever cease to exist? Yes. How soon? Because it has ceased to exist in the past and we all live in the future and the past, according to Erie and Foster. No, I'm just saying

if we had so like situations where you could not access the internet in this modern age yeah those situations probably money they're getting fewer matter they're getting fewer and far between though right but like for example if the internet were to go out it would basically be a symbol of apocalypse like if you could not get to a point where you could access your bitcoin yeah so at that point money no one even cares about money they care about resources and uh supplies yeah right so by that in that situation where there's no internet money doesn't matter either right so bitcoin is just as effective and everlasting as gold would be i so i'm completely lost now so if you get yourself into a situation where you don't have the internet you say that bitcoin is worth more

so very confused let's say it's the walking dead. Okay. There's no internet. Yeah. If I have a Bitcoin, a zombie is going to be like, I don't care about your Bitcoin. Right, but so is a bar of gold. Right. So, like, let's say post-apocalypse, no internet. Do you think when you're on the road and you meet another stranger and you got like exchange goods, do you think they're going to give a fuck about money? Or gold? Gold, yeah, that's the inherent value behind gold is because you can make stuff out of it. Not in that scenario. can make stuff out of gold. You can make hardware. You can make things to

travel with. But in those situations where you could make something out of gold, the internet would probably be around. We're talking about a post-apocalyptic scenario. I'm confused why you think that like in a post-apocalyptic scenario somebody would come along on, like a fellow traveler on the road and be like, hey,

can I buy that thermos for you for this Bitcoin? I feel like that would be the least valuable scenario for somebody trying to sell Bitcoin. I'm just saying that in this modern world, Bitcoin's going nowhere. Just like gold wasn't going anywhere. When you mean going nowhere, you mean Bitcoin will be around forever? Right. And doesn't really depreciate in like quality or existence. Okay. So like for example, gold never like would go bad or oxidize or any

the things that other metals do. Yeah. So that's what was a good equality they liked about it. And Bitcoin is the same way because it's not going anywhere. It's going to always be there in this current state where the internet is all accessible. Okay. I don't know about that because I think that there's still scenarios where the internet is not as important. You know, like there's still major parts of the world that don't have access to the internet. It's getting better, but there's still a lot of countries that don't have faster internet access that can't even like stream stuff. Like where? Like if you're on an airplane. It's amazing to me that we can. can't watch that I can't stream a video on an airplane.

Well, you can't. You just got pay for it. I know. It makes me sick. Even when you do, though, it doesn't always work great. And you have countries with extremely restricted internet access. It's not like a free open internet. What happened to net neutrality, by the way? That was like the hottest. I talked about this the other day. That was just the fraud media lying to you. The internet's going to go away. You're going to have to pay for every website you use because of a jeep pie. Fucking idiots. Uh, I was song is somebody about net neutrality too the other day big t it's interesting because that big t's right about that it was it was being labeled as being

the end of the internet as we knew it in the united states it was like a full five alarm panic and well from morons we were told that it was if uh if we limited the restrictions then certain companies could charge more money for using different websites than others or they could they could throttle the internet that it's yet to be seen what's going to happen but so far, I haven't really seen any evidence of that. By the way, I've got bad news. Your internet's been being throttled for many years. If you use too much data on your phone, they slow it down. Like, that's always happened. Yeah, the media needs to chill out a little bit. Pick and choose your battles on which ones are real and important. There was like a vote for it. Was it? Who was that guy?

Was it named Aj. A jeep pie. Yeah, that fucking guy. chairman of the FCC at the time yeah that guy stinks he was constant like i feel like there was a stretch where every time he said something he was just getting booed by the entire internet yeah yeah he was getting dunked on left and right so but it ended up passing right i didn't big t i honestly don't remember i were wildly under informed here i think that it i think what happened was um whatever law got put into existence was the one that gave more power to internet service providers, which made people who were in favor of net neutrality think the internet's going away. And so far, it's been basically the same, basically the same internet.

I don't know. We banned a couple people since then. I think that, I think banning people from social media, it should just be left up to a mass vote. So let the people decide to democratize it. Any more gold facts, Billy. gold is a very sought-after resource. It is. But you don't have any gold. I don't have any gold. What about gold fillings?

Nope. Gold rush. Yeah? Honestly, when gold has caused a lot of economic expansion in areas where they found it, so the West Coast was formed 100% because people went out there looking for gold. Everything else sprung up around that. I think it'd be fun to be gold miner. Yeah.

To, like, go out and just start digging through the hills. Yeah. South Africa was a huge gold spot. Cause the bore wars. Speaking of gold miners, here's an interview with Rick Ness from Gold Rush on the Discovery Channel. Before we get to Rick Ness, oh, and also make sure to subscribe to our YouTube page, smash the subscribe button. You can watch us do the episode. you get to see Rick Nass

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Thank you. Hashtag thank you Avery. Try to dip him in gold. Yeah. Thank you, Avery. So before we get to Rick Ness, I think Big T wants to talk to us about his favorite sponsor. Sure do, guys.

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a very special guest it's rick ness you might know rick nest from gold rush gold rush is uh discovery's number one rated show here is fridays on discovery and streaming on discovery plus it's a very popular show rick ness uh welcome to macrodosing we're happy to have you here you're also a one-time candidate for president i should mention that too you announced your your candidate see i don't know how did that ever get off the ground no but it somebody reposted it and thought it was serious i thought that was pretty funny also thanks for happening absolutely yeah big t sent us your tweet earlier today and and the tweet said i'm announcing my bid for the presidency of the united states for 2020 right now my platform and my message is grow the fuck up my party is i like to party i've heard go fund

me is popular i'm going to need some financing spread this i got to say i'm on board with your platform 100% i'm on board with your platform and your message i appreciate that i'm not much of a grown up am i no it's fine i also saw the timestamp on that tweet was like 1 30 a m on a saturday and i was like i know what rick was getting into rick was having some fun uh but yeah welcome to the show we're happy to have you for those of us who might not watch gold rush can you give us just like a quick background as to what it is you do and how you fit into the larger picture of the show sure uh well gold rush is uh gold rush follows well now four um mining teams gold class or gold mining teams i started 10 years ago on the show um i started on another crew worked my way up and then four

years ago i started my own my own mining company and split off and now i'm one of the main people that they follow cool and so where do you do most of your mining uh uh yukon territory of canada way up north. I'm actually only about 180 miles south of the Arctic Circle when I'm mining. Okay. So if you're that close to the Arctic Circle, do you have like those 18-hour days where the sun doesn't set for a long time? Absolutely.

Yeah. It pretty much doesn't get dark all summer, which makes it easy to, you know, work and overwork my crew. And a lot of people ask me, like, how do you get used to that? And that's not hard to get used to. What's hard to get used to is when it starts getting dark again and you haven't seen the darkness for, you know, a couple of months. Your eyes just don't, it takes a long time to get used to that. Wow.

Yeah, so if it's like one of those days where it's 16, 18 hours of sunlight, do you probably on average don't get as much sleep. Do you feel tired when you wake up in the morning when the sun's like fully out or is it that some, is it like something that your body clock adapts to? Well, you're in that business, you're not getting much sleep anyway. And you do adapt to it. You know, you basically, you work until you're tired. And then when you're tired, the light, a bomb going off or whatever the hell is happening, is it going to keep you awake? So, yeah, it's a, you know, it's a weird thing.

For six months, I live off of four hours of sleep at night. And then the other six months when I'm home, which I am now, I can't survive without like 12. Yeah, what would you say is the biggest misconception around? Are you a gold miner? Is that what we call you? you're not a gold digger, right? Yeah, no. Okay.

Your gold miner. What's the biggest misconception around your profession? I would say that it's a lot, it's not as fun as it looks, and it's not as it's definitely not as glamorous as it looks. Let's just put it back. I mean, the amount of money it takes to move the amount of dirt to get the gold out is is probably something that people don't really understand. I mean, they see big numbers,

millions of dollars of gold. They don't understand how much money it takes to get that gold. So what are your sunk costs when you're starting a venture like that, would you say? A startup cost? Right. Well, they say in this business, the best way to make a million dollars gold mining is to start with two.

So it's rough. I mean, our biggest cost is fuel. and we're so remote, you know, fuel is, is, you know, my biggest cost. Every time that fuel truck shows up, it's 60 grand, right? A check, 60 grand. And, you know, it's every couple of weeks for that. And, you know, it takes hundreds of thousands of dollars to get anything even small, up and running enough to be serious, really.

So the reason Billy asked that, I'm sure, is because Billy, like, sees your profession. He's like, man, that'd be sweet if I could just, like, go on an adventure for six months out in the woods. And, like, what would it, what would it cause me personally to get out of that? in New York City and be able to get started. I guess is there, would you say like, is a gold mining business? Is it oversaturated or is it still a place where if you want to and you have the money, you can go out and start your own venture? Oh, you definitely can do that, but it is getting tougher.

You know, the show, you know, obviously, I mean, that didn't flood the market. That's not what happened. But obviously brought more interests. I mean, so many people watched the show. And that area, it is getting tough to find good ground. I mean, you go up there anywhere, and there's still ground available, whether or not it's going to be worth your time. That's another question.

But it is weird. Like, you can still go up there and you can get, you can stake ground still. Like, if nobody's claimed that ground, you can, you know, there's a way to do it. It's a proper way you have to do it right. You can pound stakes in the ground with your name on it. Go to the mining recorder's office and say, here's the ground I state. and I want the permit to mine this.

This is a short version of that process. And that's actually how it works. Okay. If the ground is at stake, but most of the good ground is. So you end up dealing with the person who staked it. If you get, you can lease it from them. It's a, it's a process. So is that land owned?

Who owns that land originally before anyone stakes it? That's the thing is that no, you can't own any of that land. Even if you stake it, claim it, you own the mineral rights. or you're granted the mineral rights, but you can never own that land. It's owned by the government. It's owned by the country of Canada. And it's weird.

That's pretty cool. You don't think of something like that happening in today's day and age where you can just go out and if you're the first person to pound a steak into the land, then you get everything that's inside of it for a set amount of time. That's kind of cool. Do you have like a six cents when you go, you approach a nice piece of land? And you're like, yeah, this smell.

like gold i can smell the gold in the air um i kind of do and it's like my worst enemy because if you think you've got a feeling you can have a feeling but if you base everything off of just the feeling like that's the fastest way to go bankrupt there is and and i've come close i had to learn you know what i mean like you have to test you have to drill um you have to you know sample you have to do the work the legwork before you start putting the money into it because as soon as you put that excavator bucket in the ground or drop the blade on that dozer, you are just burning money. And if you're in the wrong spot, you're not going to get it back. So what are you looking for when you're like evaluating a piece of land? What are the key

contributing factors of being like, hey, there might be some gold on this ground? Well, it depends on the area. Like kind of where I started, it's called the Indian River Valley in the Dawson City area of the Yukon. It's a big valley and there's generally there's gold in a lot of it and most of it actually some some good spots so bad but generally there's gold everywhere it's just a valley that you know over millions of years gold was was moved there moved there by water now then there's tributaries that come in off the mountains in the valley you know some tributaries had gold in them and that gold came down and washed in the main valley but a lot of it's still up there some had none it's really you know it's hard to explain like what you first look

for I you know people did that like in the 1890s how they knew is beyond me but um generally now you kind of know where the where the ground is with the gold and then it's up to you to prove it like I said you got to drill it you got to do seismic work you got to do resistivity it's it's a little more of a process than just thrown a you know shovel in a creek and panning it yeah that's the kind of gold money that I think I would like to do I I wouldn't have time for like the geologist on staff to talk to me about, you know, the computer modeling and printouts and stuff. I want to get my hands dirty. We got Big T over here. Big T is a big fan. Do you have any questions? Yeah. So like either monetarily or in terms of an amount, what is like a good day,

week, month of gold mining? Like what's a number that you're looking to hit? So to make it worth our time, we're generally looking to process, you know, once we start running the material through our plant, we're generally looking for at least an ounce of gold an hour after it's all processed. So that's, you know, in today's gold prices, they're pretty good, you know, raw gold. We're doing about 15, you know, 15, 16, 100 bucks an hour. The minimum, that's what we want to do. You know, and you can, it goes from there, depending on how it's good the ground is. Like, we're always looking for better ground. You know, we're looking for two, three ounces an hour type stuff. And, you know, sometimes, you know, I've got a really big wash

plan. I can run, you know, 300 yards an hour through that thing, which is massive. And, you know, sometimes you can do six, seven, eight, ten over, or more, way more ounces per hour. So it adds up quick. How long do you give it before you know it's time to cut bait here? That's got to be, like, the biggest decision that you have to make, right, is like when it's time to give up on a project. Well, yeah. When, if you start losing money, And I, you got, I mean, it's hard to say exactly when, but that is a great question because if you don't give up on it and you just try to keep, you know, be stubborn, which I am stubborn and try it. Like, I know this is going to work. I know.

Yeah, it's not going to. Yeah. You start losing money and give up. So you guys mainly when you're mining, it's mostly the gold dust. do your machines process larger nuggets or maybe even like like what's the biggest piece of gold do you think you've found? I actually was going to bring it out here with me and I can't find it if you can believe that. Oh. That's tough.

That's not the item that you want to lose in your house. Yeah. I mean, I know it's here. I just didn't know where it was. But last year I found the biggest nugget ever found on Gold Rush. It was one and a half ounces. It's actually really. and uh since i couldn't find that big one i brought like a a little jar of these are some of like

the coarser stuff uh-huh it's not but you know that's well there's about that's about 30 grand right there damn so do you actually do you love gold uh do i love it i after 10 years yeah i mean it's it's it's it's it's if you think about the concept like that's gold is money and there's So there's money in the ground and all you have to do is dig it up. And that's a short version. Yeah. And the other thing about it too is that that gold, you know, that we pull out of the ground, I'm the first person, I'm the first human being to ever see that gold.

Like that gold is going to go out into the world for whatever purpose it's going to be used for it. And I'm the first person that has ever seen that in the history of ever. That's very cool. Yeah. Who's the main market for your gold? like who are you selling the gold to at the end of the day um the the buyer that i use um they mainly sell um to electronics company like because there's gold and everything you're cell phones i'll say um yeah they mainly sell it to electronic companies i try to keep like the courser stuff

just because you know they're not making any more of that they're not there's not more gold nuggets being made um so i sell you know all the finer stuff and whatever i have to to keep my business going. Yeah, that's great. You don't think about all the gold that's in everything that you use these days. And like you said, like computing, it's, it's in a lot of that stuff. So, all right, so you keep the course stuff. And you said that they're not making any more of it. They're not making any more of the nuggets. How long, like, okay, flash forward, 50,000 years from now. Where are we going to have gold, new gold? I don't think so. No, no, no, short, short,

answer no 50,000 years no that's not that's not unless uh you know a lot there's a lot of speculation still like where where gold actually came from like there's really no solid answer though in 50,000 years if a meteor from space that's got a ton of gold in it hits earth which is probably possible um then okay so um we're really dumb and we don't know that much about science at all. So you're saying that the amount of gold that's on the earth right now, it came from a meteor or is there a process geologically that helps to form like, you know, diamonds. It's carbon, right? It gets compacted over the course of a long time. But with gold, you're saying the process is not like that. It doesn't evolve into being gold. It's just

either there or it's not. It's all speculation. I mean, it's millions of years old. You know, um literally millions and uh so you know there's a lot of i mean the gold is in you know the gold is in rock like it's in mountains as well it's like it's it's buried in the in the bedrock and the you know they call it hard rock mining you can crush you know rock and get the gold out of it so you know there's there's lots of theories you know did you know did it come up out of the ground was it always in the rock uh did it fall from the fucking sky you know there there is several theories really and it's all kind of theories because it's no one was alive you know millions of years ago I and I and I could even be wrong about that because I'm not a fucking

scientist either yeah no big team will tell you that six thousand years ago is when human life started quick quick question when you're dealing with all that dirt and you're doing a lot of excavation do you ever find anything else down there of interest like what type of stuff do you fine um really cool shit actually um like woolly mammoth uh toss awesome yeah so you know that those are things that you know at least how old they are like they're a minimum of 10,000 years old um and the coolest part about that is you know something 10,000 years old in the ground is generally fossilized you know you know like you guys know what fossils are but the ground up there is permanent it's called permafrost it's permanently frozen like it's it doesn't never

thaws and refreezes it's been frozen for since the mammoth die and so when you actually find that dig it up it's not a fossil it's literally intact as if it just fucking happened and people find fully full intact woolly mammoths up there too i've never i've never found one like that but i have dug up you know 200 pound ivory tusks from them and and uh you know some teeth with ether like this big i've actually got go ahead yeah yeah i know if you have that i know billy would love to see it um so when when you dig up gold from canada do they do they take a cut or is cana just like thank you for coming and taking my gold have a nice day yeah no they they do take a cut um it's uh it's not a lot it's fair but it is uh yeah i the way i look at is i i'm an

American and I do mine in Canada and you know they allow me to go in there and do that so I have no problem paying the royalty to the Canadian government and it's yeah it's actually not much I was thinking like what are they going to raise it like it kind of seems like axes and all that other shit like I I sleep well I pay them there a little bit and I'm fine that's great yeah they're very polite people are is there any gold in the United States left to dig up because I know that, like, it's, it seems like a fantasy that most kids have at one point to just, you know, go in the backyard and go digging for treasure. Is there any, like, if you go out to Colorado, is that where there's still gold? Yeah, so Colorado, Nevada, California, Arizona, there's, there's definitely, you know, gold in the United States.

It's, I don't know much about it, if I'm being honest. I know it's a tough, it's a tough racket. A lot of gold in Alaska, actually, too. but that's the thing like I do I like gold that I you know I own a mining company that a plaster gold mining company and it is like what I do but I I'm not a nerd about you know all the specific details of you know what I mean yeah so with you know everything with climate change or whatever do you see that there's more land mine will land being opened up by melting ice and whatnot so do you see yourself advancing farther north because there's more. land that's sort of becoming opened up uh i don't know i don't think that's like it's i don't think enough of that is happening to make you know in this case like what you're saying to like difference so yeah i but but i i guess i shouldn't say that i have never i haven't been to exactly these areas and witnessed it with my own eyes like i mean you see videos of glaciers you know

falling into the ocean um but that's what glaciers do like if if glaciers ever stopped falling into the ocean that's called capping um that's a big problem glaciers are always moving and that they move to the low point in the water and then when they get over the water they fall in so i'm not i mean that's that's just the fact i'm not saying that you know they aren't receding and getting smaller when you're putting together a crew of people to take up into the yukon uh what are you looking for in a crew i imagine that it has to be a good combination of people who aren't lazy who will do what they're asked and also are at times fun to be around or at least not unpleasant to be around most of the time like is there is there like a specific skill set that

you're looking for you're like okay I need one glue guy I need a geologist or how's that process work out it's like for the core of the crew like we're pretty much we're all in heavy you know machines so you want you want equipment operators and when you said you know somebody that's you know, at least pleasant to be around, that's so much more important than you think, because, you know, we all live together in a camp, you know, it's a purpose-built camp. You know, it's nice, but adults aren't, you know, adults aren't made, you know, we're not supposed to live together amongst each other for that long. That's my opinion, because the toughest thing is the mental game.

It really is. Yeah, we work long-ass hours, so you've got to be willing to do that. It's 12 hours minimum a day. and we work, you know, 12 days on, two days off as a schedule I give my guys. And if I'm being honest, a lot of times we work right through the days off. So you've got to be ready to work. And yeah, you've got to be ready to get along because one bad apple in camp, it literally ruins the morale of the entire team because if you think about you work

at a job and there's a shithead there that you don't like, like you could deal with it because you go home at night, you don't have to see them. But in this case, if there's a shithead at work, you're going to see them. at dinner. Yeah. I mean, you're a fucking hallway before you go to bed. So it's, the mental game is the toughest part.

At least Billy and I go to different apartments at the end of the day, which I'm very thankful for because it could, it could get ugly. You would need to actually install a jail here in this office. If we all had to live here nonstop, there would need to be like, do you have a jail? Is it like a ship where it's like if somebody gets out of line,

you can throw them in the brig? No, that's pretty much just called a hole. Like we can bury people. 80 feet deep in like 10 minutes. That's true. Yeah. So that's the get along. Are you going in the hole? I've got a dumb question.

Have you ever accidentally eaten gold? You know, I've faked like I was going to, and I don't think I've accidentally ever swallowed some. But I'm willing to bet in 10 years, gold has gone into my body through my mouth, almost certainly. Yeah. Some of it's fine. If I were you, I would ever. Every time I took a shit, I would turn around and check just to make sure like, hey, there might actually be some gold in my shit today. Because you never know walking around.

You never know. Actually, I do have a lot of times when people are like faking like, ooh, I show them some gold. They're like, oh, oh, I'm going to take that. Like, you can have as much as you want. You can have as much as you can eat. Okay. So you can have as much of my goal as you can eat. That sounds like a dangerous challenge to issue to the wrong person.

Um, no one's there. We got, we got Coley jumping on. You're on with, uh, with Rick Nessie is the, uh, one of the stars of Discovery's number one rated show Gold Rush and here's Friday's on Discovery and it streams on Discovery plus. You were just saying that those exact words to me the other day, weren't you Colin? Yeah, I, I, I, you can often find me just munching on a bar of gold.

So I feel like me and you would get along famously. Yeah. Look for for a crew member. Like, we could just hang out and eat gold together to be fucking tight. Yeah. No, I'm, I'm, I'm there. There, just give me the location, and I will start jumping. Coley would definitely try to smoke your gold, just to see if it lit on fire.

Chop it up here. Yeah. You could certainly melt gold. You can't say it's not doable. Doable? Anything's true. Chop it up into a little line, have a two to gold. I just came up with like a new product that we could sell exclusively to billionaires.

Just like, it's just cocaine, except it's, out like 1% gold in it and they'll pay premium prices for it because they're idiots. They will. Yeah. I like those 24-carat gold wings they have. And what's the bar called? Yeah. That's at the standard, I think. Oh, the Ainsworth or the standard? Oh, the Ainsworth. Yeah. So what about that? So there is a bar. It's close by to our office here in New York. And they'll sell you chicken wings. I think it's six chicken wings for a hundred bucks. And it's got gold. actually in the sauce. How much gold is actually in that? They can't actually make you eat gold, right?

Well, or they can't, or they can. Like, they're not making you telling it. You're fucking choice to eat. They kind of are. They're challenging me indirectly by saying, like, hey, we've got the most expensive chicken wing in the world. They know I'm going to go order that chicken wing. Yeah, fuck it.

Why not? Did you, I think this is a true story. Did some rapper try to gold plate his balls? and it ended up killing him? I'm going to look that up. I think that was in America, but I do think that happened, yes. Happened, yeah. Gold-plated balls, rapid.

Now, why don't that kill them in? I bet I could pull it off. If I gold-plated my balls, I wouldn't die. So do you think there's actually as much gold in Fort Knox as they say there is? It's tough to say, man. Like, I would hope so. Gold is money was supposed to be based off of gold, right? like that's what money started out you know currency was based off gold in you know in the safe like

the money is representative of the gold we're just not going to pay with gold anymore you know that's what it was always supposed to be but it's not like that it i don't think um do you see the the price of gold going up in the near future um it's that's there's so many things that depend on that um but gold has always gone up um you know these last couple years have been great, if I'm being honest with you. I, you know, COVID, something like COVID, like that uncertainty and like panic, like gold spikes. And last year, gold hit the highest price it's ever been in it. Like, we had the highest gold prices.

And, you know, that's, that's good for business. I had a good year last year. So you're, you're rooting for ultimate chaos for you. That means just, that's profit time, baby. Yeah, because at the end of the day, like the people that know, no, no. that gold will always have value. And yes, in chaotic times when who knows what else will have value, gold's the best bet. Do you see Bitcoin as a threat to gold's supreme as an asset in those times?

I'll be honest with you. I don't really know, I don't know shit about it. And I just, yeah, I kind of think it's stupid. Yeah. It's very similar to mining for gold. You plug a computer in for an extended period of time. time and then you just wait. Fucking awesome.

Well, Big T, you have anything else? I think that's about it. Okay, cool. You have any more questions? Yeah, and forgive me if this had already been asked. But recently, there were talks of minting like a trillion dollar coin.

Is there any way we could mint because of what the government ran out of money? Is there anything we could do with gold as opposed to making up a trillion dollar coin? that could just fix, like, maybe like a giant, like, gold rope Biden could wear just to flaunt our wealth? Well, that's a way better idea because what the fuck is a trillion dollar coin? Like, who decides that that's worth worth a trillion dollars? Exactly. That thing would be fucking, I don't know, it's bigger than this fucking room.

I kind of like the idea of just the, the wreath, the huge chain, the golden chain, because our leaders don't have enough regalia these days. I feel like there's no crown, there's no scepter, there's nothing like that. Do you own any gold jewelry? I actually have, I own one piece of jewelry, and I had it made out of gold that I dug out of the ground. It is the most obnoxious five-ounce gold ring you've ever seen. Can we see it? What?

10 seconds. Hell yeah. I'm excited to see this obnoxious ring. Could you imagine if Biden was like Dr. Strange? He had like this gold chain like that. He's just got a grill. The presidential grill. Trinidad James, all gold, everything.

Yeah. So this is five ounces of gold. Oh, damn. Oh, wow. It's heavy as fuck. And I wear it on my middle figure. And that's what it says on. That is the coolest piece of jewelry ever.

You look like you can tenderize some meat with that. Like get a steak out, a ribeye and pound that thing flat. Oh, yeah. Like, I actually get shit at airports. They try to say it's a weapon. because it's so big but it's like you've got to praise that 15 grand like if i'm going to punch somebody i'm going to take it off for this probably that's awesome um you hit someone it just says suck it yeah imprint yeah you should actually have it you should have it backwards on like it should

be engraved backwards on on the piece of jewelry so that when you punch somebody it leaves the stamp that you can read that says suck it the funny thing is is i actually thought about that and i went with it this way a because it's you know makes more sense when i look at it but also So if I punch somebody in the head, I want, I don't want everybody else to read it. I want that guy to look at the beer. Yeah. Oh, good point. That's 100 IQ play.

Actually, it'd be 200. A hundred IQ is not really that smart. That's a smart move on your part. Also, if you have a piece of jewelry that is written backwards so that it will leave a mark on somebody when you punch them in the head, you're probably going to be punching a lot of people on the head because you made that jewelry. You went through all the trouble to do it. You'll probably end up getting yourself a department.

more trouble that way that that would be a purpose built piece of jewelry yes that's that's a bad sign right off the bat yeah exactly all right well uh thanks for joining man i we really appreciate talking to you learned a lot about gold today again you can watch rick on discovery's number one rated show gold rush here's fridays on discovery and streaming on discovery plus it's discovery's number one rated show is that true number one for 12 damn years that's incredible that is that's awesome um well good luck i hope that you a lot of gold in your future and just check your poop every now again just see if you're crap and gold i appreciate that thanks for that tip i'll uh i'll shoot a video of it i'll send it to you okay sounds good man take care rick thanks cheers see buddy thank you rick ness is brought to you by our

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All right, that was Rick Ness from the Discovery Channel from Gold Rush. Great show. Good guy. Glad that he came on. I learned a lot about gold mining. What about you guys? As well,

it was very interesting to hear that they found mammoth bones. Yeah, Billy's eyes got so wide when you heard that. If I, like, could have a mammoth. skull with two huge tusks. Dude, I told you I have a mammoth tusk in my house in Virginia and I have a mammoth muller. Yeah, but you don't have a skull with two. I want to like get like a serious, honestly, you know it would be really cool, a mounted mammoth head. Yeah.

You can probably get one of those. It's probably fake. No, but like real tusks may be a real skull, but like you fill in the rest. Yeah. that'd be pretty cool i can't believe he had the biggest nut ever nugget ever found on tv and he couldn't find it that's insane isn't it yeah just lost it in his house i just want that uh a ring similar to his the suck it that's one of the coolest things i've ever seen i how about i get you a fool's gold ring if the braves win the world series deal it says suck it deal i'd be awesome that was the

biggest dude's rock ring i've ever seen in my life yeah it was the size of brass knuckles it covered up like three of his knuckles yeah for sure a weapon he was playing it off like it was not a weapon yeah big time all right but that was cool talking to rick ness uh seems like a good guy hope he finds a lot of gold i'm also curious to know what the what's the situation out when you're on a campsite with your entire party like is there are there rules about who you're allowed to sleep with that whole thing because it's guys and girls out there i know that a lot of times when you go out, if they put people out to see on like a ship going to work, you're

not allowed to have sex because you can't have they can't have a baby out there. If you're going to be remote, they can't deal with medical costs and all that stuff. I just wonder what the bunk house situations like. I thought it was all dudes out there. Is it all dudes? I think there are some women

that go out there too. Yes, we got to watch the show. We got to watch the show to find out. I wonder if there's gold minor groupies. Yeah, those would be pretty interesting people, I'd think. Don't mind a little stank. What's the showering situation like out there? Probably terrible.

Yeah, probably pretty bad. It's probably the same rules of space. What are those rules? I don't know. Space rules. Just spitballing. Yeah. Just spitballing.

You know how it's like... Oh yeah, you're not allowed to have a baby on a spaceship. You can't. There's no sex alone. Has anyone had sex in space? They have to. Right? I guarantee it.

They have to have had sex in space. Why would you not? It's probably a selling point. Yeah. I mean, I know the rules are what the rules are, and they monitor all your health signs, so they definitely know when you're banging. It's like, yo, we could be the first ever. Yeah. You have to do it at that point. All right. Well, that's gold. That's talking gold. You want to get some, we have voicemails? We do. But before we get to voicemails, I have a question, personal question I want to ask you guys.

If you got the ball, the 600th touchdown ball, what would you ask? Oh, that guy should be in jail. Yeah, that guy should be in jail. What an idiot. Yeah. Wait, the guy that gave it up or the guy that bullied him out of him? No, that gave it up. Why are they locking that guy up?

They did bully him out of that ball. You don't, listen, you write your phone number down, handed to him, and say, you can call me tomorrow and we'll figure it out. But you don't, there's no circumstance where you hand that ball over in that stadium. Zero. Yeah. I agree with Big C, but I don't think he should be locked up for that. I think he was bullied on national television and to get. giving up a football that was literally worth its weight in gold.

Well, if you can be bullied, you're, you're weak-minded in that situation. Let's be real. That guy had no legal precedent to that ball. You keep saying the word precedent. What the fuck are you talking about, Billy? Precedent means that there's case law that backs you up that says, okay, it's been proven in court. Of ownership.

Yes. He would get, basically what would happen is if he really held out, they'd be like, okay, he wants more than the legal fees we could spend to get this ball back for free once we settle. Billy, why do you think they could get it back? Because it is team property. No, it's not.

No, it's not once it goes into the stands. Nope, nope, that's not a law. The precedent is the thousands of other memorabilia like the Barry Bond's home runs. Like, yeah, every baseball that's ever been hit into a stance ever that's been owned by the person that catches it. That's different. Why?

No, you're wrong. 1940 NFL championship game. that was 73 to 0 they used to have it there was no kicking net to catch the ball but they kicked so many touchdown they kicked so many extra points

that game that they ran out of balls so they had to go back into the crowd and get the balls back okay now we're fast forward 60 years it's a game 80 where's one gym nance and Tony Romo are announcing a Buccaneers game on Sunday and Tom Brady, an athlete who's the premier quarterback of a franchise worth northwards

of $2 billion who can't afford plenty footballs, they give one of those balls away, they can still continue the game. I don't know, maybe it was the last ball. It happens to be a net as well. There's a net also. I don't want to say that they for sure could have continued the game yesterday because I don't know that for a fact, but I'm pretty sure that there was another football that they had that they could play with you know how you know how i know it was that that billy's wrong because

the guy was asking for it back yes exactly they could have just taken it back yeah yeah there was no like there was no secure like where did he go he just left the studio to go what where did he i think he probably he so he left the studio and then he started to panic because he realized he was wrong he didn't have any new facts to bring so he's just going to pace around in the hallway for an extra couple minutes and then come back in and be like i couldn't find it i'm picturing like remember when cam was on the panthers he would always go find a kid and hand him like i'm picturing the cops like breaking down these little kids doors to get these footballs back because they've stolen property from the carolina panthers via cam newton handing them touchdowns like that's what billy's

saying is the precedent yes he's it's workplace theft coley when camden was doing that if billy's right the fbi's going to kick down zach hample's door and just evict everything he has he's public enemy number one he is the osama bin laden And he's just flaughting it. Yeah. All right, so Billy came back in, I'm sure, with lots of facts to support his case. If he shows what I think he's going to show, I'm literally, it's the hardest I'm ever going to laugh in my entire life. I couldn't find.

I couldn't find what I wanted to find. What you wanted was the football that had a one square inch Buffalo Bills logo on it. That's what you wanted? That signifies that it's their property. Oh, my God. No, it doesn't. It just has the logo. That's not the right one.

I know the one that you're talking about, the Buffalo Bills. They do that because the teams use their own balls. So that's why they put the logos on them. No, because just because that is a stamp of ownership. Billy, you know the baseballs that they use in Major League Baseball. I have the Major League Baseball logo on them. Right, but they don't have the team logos. But that means that it would belong to Major League Baseball.

I can't believe. Hockey Pucks have the team logo on them. I'm just saying if they wanted to get the ball back, they haven't before, but they could go through, say that is a, that is team property. So then why were they asking him to give it back? because it's not because it's better than taking him to fucking court it's not team property contains oh my god

contains FCC ID XWXUWT this there's information on here oh my God okay he's got the documents BFD what more do you want it probably stipulates FCC ID but you don't know what the fuck that means

Billy just saw letters and numbers and was like oh my god yeah but you're telling me you're telling you're telling you that doesn't have some sort of representation of a log of that exact ball. All right. Here's the ID. This is FCCID XWX dash

UWT 1400. That's the FCCID. FCCID is a unique identifier assigned to a device registered with the United States Federal Communications Commission. Okay, so this football is registered with the FCC

We're still using fucking chains To measure a first down That's unbelievable So if it's fucking registered Billy, that's not what that means buddy But if it's, no This is like This would be so easy of a case

To argue that that ball is not That fan's property Because it's not fucking Mike Evans property Either to give away Mike Evans is part of the team Right but he doesn't own the team He doesn't own the ball I don't I'm just saying

It's not fucking crazy to assume that that ball in the court of law like in a well so we're assuming hold on hold on the the patent isn't for the ball it's for a tag on the ball it's not a patent excuse me the FCC ID is a is the product assigned by the FCC to identify wireless products in the market it is literally just a tag on the ball it's not right but i'm just saying that there's a lot more there's a tag there's a chip inside this ball right now that's what it's saying i think they actually i actually i actually do believe that they started using shit like that for like the

you know the Amazon web services like this player ran X amount of I do think there are some sort of chip in the balls now or or we've just cracked the case on a Buffalo Bill's cheating scandal no no no but it's just there's there there's stuff in that ball that like is owned by people and that

ball is owned like it's not why why do you think that because these types of disputes have been happening for thousands of fucking years Abraham Lincoln had just they like was a lawyer and he settled disputes of ownership like not over a football yeah was thrown into the stands you don't if you don't think that the tampa bay buccaneers could hire a lawyer team to get the ball back then you're a fucking idiot okay but in the meantime if i'm the fan i'm holding on to the ball right and then the more you demand the more the

cost of stuff you can get for free because they want to be nice and then it's like oh you want half a million dollars well the legal fees are only going to be a hundred thousand so you're fucking out of the way how come how come our pal can golden over a golden auctions how come his entire operation hasn't been shut down for selling all the stolen property but the stolen but the thing is it's different like catching why okay so they are they could not be more equally okay every NFL football has that exact same number on the sticker so I'm assuming it's just it's a chip it's a chip so I'm just so I'm just saying if you catch a baseball at a baseball game really acting like he cracked the code

when he saw those numbers I knew when he brought the football in what he wanted The thing is I'm literally Like the law And like there's probably lawyers Okay go back What were you saying about the baseball you were about to say if you catch the baseball Did you find any of those auction off balls

They're all like Who own Do you ever see any of the people who catch the balls Selling them to those auction companies? Yeah All the time That's how they get them Billy Without going through the team

Yes That's how they get them Once you show me an example. I know in baseball it's much more common, but they don't pursue. Like something like this, the 600 ball, they would pursue. How about this, Billy, how about this, Bill? Zach Hample, who we talked about when you were out of here, caught Arod's 3,000th hit as a home run. And the Arod and the Yankees had to beg him for weeks and I think months to get it back.

And he wouldn't give it to him. He finally did. They gave him all sorts of shit and like a thing to charity and whatever. But they were. Because it was probably at that point cheaper than the legal counsel. so that they could get to get the ball back. Oh, my God. If they could have legal precedent for them to sue.

Billy, that was one of the most important baseballs ever hit in the history of Major League Baseball. If they could have gotten it back, what's the example again? A Rod's 3,000th hit. Yeah. Do you think like kayak sales in San Francisco went up when Bonds was approaching breaking the record just because they knew they could get sued by the team or because they could make a lot of money? Yeah, exactly. People were like they were willing to risk it all.

They were willing to die in McCovee Coe for that ball. and not because they wanted the privilege of meeting Jeff Kent. Yeah, because they wanted it back. They didn't have a legal right to it. They wanted it. They get lawyers to settle those disputes. No, they get lawyers because Arod's not on the phone

bargaining himself with Jack Campbell. Exactly, but those lawyers have, the thing is someone who's going to... Here's a good question. What do you think happens to a game worn in Jersey? If Tom Brady wanted to sell his game war in Jersey from yesterday, would he have to sell that through the team or is it his property

I think that's a bad example yeah I don't actually like that buy it from the team he would have to buy it from the team for like 500 bucks I think it's like in the contract that you can buy your jerseys from the team yeah you could buy literally

there was a deal under the deal the Yanke like there's legal precedent Billy no they made a deal with Billy Billy if I if I that's not what precedent means no I'm just saying oh wait wait wait wait if I stole your laptop Billy.

Yeah. Would you have to pay to get it back or would the police just arrest me and give it back to you? I think you just broke him. Right. No, I'm just saying the police, you guys, the thing is, it's so much easier. Like this thing, these types of things happen all the time. Whose ball is it originally? So who owns the ball?

Okay, Billy, there are a lot of them that the teams never get back. Mark McGuire's. They don't pursue them. You think Mark McGuire didn't want the home run he hit that set the, single season record? I think baseball is a little different. I don't know because in football. No, baseball is actually the most important thing that like people keep.

No, because baseball's different because there's a baseball law. There's legal press. There's, why am I saying that word? There's a baseball law that any ball that goes into play, you can't, there's like they actually have laws that if you get hit by the ball. If you get hit by the ball, you can't sue. There's sort of gray area that they put to the there. Here's the thing, though, in football, Cam Newton.

has given balls away for years. Players have been giving balls away to fans in the stands for years. And not once has a team gone after that person and been like, hey, we need that ball back. So there is no precedent. Right. If they claim that they had a right to that ball,

then part of that would be showing that you were defending that right to it. And actually taking action in the past. They're not going to be assholes because it's a PR disaster. If they're getting balls back from the kids that Cam Newton gets to. Philly, you're confusing them wanting it back with them having a right to have it back. They do. I think if you looked at it, they would be, they would have the right to take it back. That's where me stealing your laptop thing comes into play. If they truly had a legal right, there wouldn't be negotiating.

They would just do it. Because it's a better PR thing than calling the police on the guy who got the ball. Because they're only legal right to getting it back. That's it. That's the only way they can't just go take it back. I'm saying there's, look, there's probably if you're a lawyer and you're listening to this, please please send me something excellent use of your billable time

but there's probably people who deal with ownership like title complaints with stuff all the time that are like yeah no Mike Evans had zero right to give the ball to a fan and he does not he doesn't own it there was no transfer of ownership of that ball to that fan and it would be very easy to dispute I think that there's one person that we need to ask about this and Mike, that's Mike.

Lawyer and football guy, Mike. I'm sure he's got some takes ready to go on this one. Billy, I think that you're wildly incorrect. I'm not wildly incorrect. If somebody hands a fan, a ball, they get to keep the ball if they want to. Now they can be asked in strong terms to give it back and they can be bullied into it like this guy was yesterday. But if they want to, I think they could take him to court and get the ball back. Nope.

Why not? It's simply incorrect. There's no precedent. There's actually precedent the other way. Yeah, because they let it go that way In a landslide I don't think so All right, so Billy

We've established that Billy would give the ball back Because he'd be afraid of getting arrested Everybody else would be like, nope I'm gonna hang on to this $500,000 ball I would have written my phone number down handed it to somebody and walked out of the stadium with it Also like I feel like the guy is getting a lot of shit He got a better deal than what Tony Romo

said he would want Tony Romo was like, I just want one date with Jazeel. Like he's, he's the guy on Twitter who's picking the dinner with Jay Z over $500,000. He did that on live TV and then had the nerve to be like, look at this idiot. All he got was to get like $3,500 or something like that. By the way. Also, Tony Romo was like, hey, yeah,

I would just want to fuck Tom Brady's wife. That's what I would want. That seems a little bit aggressive, doesn't it? Yeah. Like you guys definitely know each other. You've met Giselle before Tony Romo. it's going to be very awkward the next time you guys hang out yeah everyone was too focused on giving this guy shit tony roma had the worst idea ever and everyone was just like we'll get to that at a later time we're still making fun of this guy all right so billy um i thank you for being an honest person i'm i'm seriously the baseball the baseball example i'm pretty sure that they they classify baseballs when they're hit out of the stadium as abandoned whereas if something is not put in like it's still in the stadiums is not abandoned if it's handed

by someone. So what about when players catch the third out and they toss it into the stands then what? Then it's abandoned. That's the exact same thing. That's precisely what just happened. No, Billy, what you're saying is the home run would be like a field goal that went over the net. Right. And but when a player tosses a ball into the stands

after the third out, that is precisely what a football player handing a ball to somebody I'm just, I'm, I can't I'm not as, like I'm not crazy. this is totally has merit. I mean, you're not crazy. You're just wrong. I'm not incorrect.

I get what you're saying. I think they totally could legally go and get that ball if they want to. If they would, they would not be negotiating. No, they're trying to be nice. What reason do they have to be nice? Yeah. Over a ball that's worth tens, if not hundreds of thousands of dollars. Because it's all PR.

All right. I don't think that we're going to budge Billy off this. That's fine. I like it when Billy's wrong about stuff. I'm just saying, I don't even think I'm wrong. I know. Oh, I know. It's property of the team.

I'm aware. It's property of the team they can get their property back if they wanted to. Most of the times, they don't want to. All right, let's get some voicemails. Hey, what's up, y'all? My name's Chase from San Antonio, Texas. I'm calling in asking, uh, who can, controls the internet.

Is there a central place that the internet is controlled? For example, when authoritarian countries restrict Facebook. How do they do that? Is there a central place where they control that? If so, where's at in the

United States? Thanks y'all. Love the show. Also, Big T. I think I could beat you in a whistle off specifically to Rocky Top. Thanks, y'all. Okay. uh first of all know the fuck you could not and secondly Hillary Clinton controls the internet

give him a little taste of Rocky Top So. So you do that. So you do that bitch. that was honestly very impressive he even put the little flourishes in there the little runs no i have yeah i don't fuck with me uh yeah i guess i agree with big t's answer hillary clinton runs the whole thing podesta's working too he's still she kept him on retainer yeah i'm sure john podesta a guy that couldn't beat donald trump in a presidential election is still pulling all the strengths genius like that you have to have uh yeah people talk people like to be like well I can't believe Republicans nominated Donald Trump.

Well, at the same time, the Democrats nominated somebody who lost to Donald Trump. So that's pretty bad, too. But the real answer to your question, I think, is countries, they just negotiate with the Internet service providers, right? And they're like, you have to give us back to our access to close this down if we want. I think that's what they say. Then there are the transatlantic cables, which are just mind blowing, just the longest cables of fiber optics you could ever imagine that go. overseas from like the United States East Coast to Europe and they're just laying underneath the water on the ocean floor and fish are like creeped out by it probably

there's so much porn going back and forth underneath the water you ever think about that it's actual fibers actual cables I remember one time my job involved calling New Zealand in the middle of the night and I wasn't able to do it because all the telecommunications lines that went from like that went across the Pacific Ocean they got shut down or they got like chopped something hit one of them um but yeah i'm pretty sure that's how the unit works anyone else all right next question hey all you gorgeous people this is ryan uh nurse from baltimore i know conspiracies have really been booming in the mainstream the last few years so my question for you all

is if you could pick one conspiracy conspiracy that would be right that you be right about what would it be, whether it be JFK was killed by the CIA, the Illuminati's real, or even if God himself is real or not. Last few years has really been tough on us health care workers, but listening to you all every week really does make the harder days a little easier. Love you guys. All right, love you too. Thank you for being a nurse.

Thank you for your service. Billy, would you like to thank him for his service? It means more coming from Billy. My answer would be, I hope that the mafia theory behind the JFK assassination was real. I hope that there were mob ties. That would just, the amount of cool movies that would get made off of that being real would make it so worthwhile. I mean, Martin Scorsese, I'm sorry, but you're going to have to live another 30 years to make enough. You're going to have to make a trilogy of mob movies around the death of JFK if that ends up being what actually happened.

Mine is seemingly rather trivial, but I know for a fact I'm right about it. Stevie Wonder can for sure see. Like, absolutely no doubt in my mind. Anybody who hasn't heard Shaquille O'Neill's story, go listen to that. It's fantastic. Yeah, he can for sure see. So that's what I would want that proven. He can also, it's not beyond the wrong possibility to think that he might not be totally blind.

like even if he does have severe vision impairment do you know what the shack story i'm talking about i don't think i know that one he said they they lived in the same building in Atlanta and shacks on the elevator and the doors open up and stevie wonder gets on he walks in and goes hey what's up shack i mean there was like a there was a while back in the 50s where it felt like blind singers really were that was a hot thing in america we don't have any more blind singers but back then you had what was his name, Blind Willie? You had a little Stevie Wonder, Ray Charles. In Stevie's defense, if you're in an elevator with Shaq,

I feel like he's one of those people that you just kind of know he's there. Yeah, he's probably... Yeah, he's probably filming a commercial at the time. Hi, I'm Shaq for Otis Elevators. That's what's really going down. Oh, hey, Shaq, what's up? Oh, how'd you know it was me? Crazy.

What about you? you, Billy. I'm still trying to figure out this long shit. Billy's sweating out the case law surrounding the thing is you guys think but it's literally team property. Billy, we just had a nurse

that spent the last two years of his life bringing people back from the brink of death working to exhaustion trying to help our fellow Americans and you're over here still thinking about how wrong you are about footballs. Please respect the listeners.

Sorry. If you're a lawyer and you would like to come on for 15 minutes next week, please do. Well, especially if you're a lawyer who's on Billy's side. I'd love to argue against that, too. Yeah, either way. Because baseball is different because there's literally a baseball law that they had to abandon. If you keep saying baseball law. There's literally a baseball law to prevent lawsuits if someone gets hit with a foul ball.

It's not a law. They just printed on your ticket. Baseball law refers to the various civil statues. local ordinances and court decisions pertaining to the game of baseball institutions. Blue laws. It means they have to print on your ticket that you might get hit with a baseball and put a sign in the stadium.

They're not liable. In a 1913, Missouri appeals court heard Crane v. Kansas City baseball and exhibition a tort case for a spectator at Kansas City Blues game who had struck and injured by a foul ball alleged his team had been negligent. But since he had chosen to sit an unprotected area of the park and even though tickets

are general available. Yeah, so now they just tell you that. that's that law also i'm a little bit woke on on the estimated prices for the the football that was like you had king golden tell darrell five hundred thousand dollars it seems like a guy like king golden whose entire business line is selling merchandise would have an interest in making it seem like sports merchandise was really really valuable right it's like whenever you hear about somebody buying a new nfti artwork thing it's always you know three million dollars and it happens to be purchased by a guy that runs an

nfts website himself right it's always like you you hear it a lot too with like oh this sealed copy of the original super mario sold for like two million dollars and it's just like i had another video game company bought it so okay in 1999 mark mcguire's 70th home run sold for three million I would argue that football Like being the home run champion is like a big An American culture that's a big deal I'd say it's pretty close though Now granted I'm reading that like this

The ball isn't worth that much anymore and this guy kind of Fucked himself But I'd say 500 is not an unreasonable estimate I'd say even more than that maybe It's like the home run thing like you were saying was such a mark that stood time Brady being I almost feel like whoever like when Mahomes throws

650 or whatever Brady ends up with like when he breaks it that ball will be the exclake because Brady didn't break anything you know what I mean he just set a new mark it's like like Bonz's home run breakers both when he broke the single season and the

the Aaron one like those were worth more than the next one he hit you know what I mean right I too definitely definitely worth more than a jersey for sure coley do you have a conspiracy that you hope is true uh yeah it's it's i was trying to think of like one that had like uh bigger implications globally but magic johnson not having aids um this is what i what i've settled on yeah i still don't think he did i still think it was a ploy to uh further globalize the game uh by having

one centralized figure as opposed to splitting it between two coasts with the Celtics and the Lakers. I don't think they could have grown it forever that way. I think they needed just one central main character, which was Michael Jordan, I think once Larry Bird decided to selfishly construct a driveway for his mother and broke his back and the Celtics top draft pick then proceeded to overdose on cocaine immediately. And it was, the writing was on the wall that their run was ending. I think that's when when the NBA concocted the idea like, hey, we have this problem happening with with AIDS. We can be a forward speaking figure with this. Magic Johnson historically signed one of the worst contracts in NBA history, a 25 year,

$25 million deal. He needed to get out of that so he could make more money. And by being the face of HIV in America, I believe he was able to do that. And the NBA was able to grow and flourish behind Michael Jordan and the Chicago Bulls. They grew in this country because no one cared about the Bulls. They didn't have any rivals. They didn't have any history really to speak of at the time. He was an easy guy to root for. And he brought it as global as anyone could. So that would be the one I would love to hear, be actually what happened. So that's interesting because I'd heard the Magic Johnson doesn't have AIDS thing, but the story I always heard was that he, like,

had sex with a senator's daughter or something. Yeah, I heard that. I think I might have brought that up on episode. And like that's why he agreed to go along with it. But that one is interesting. I was talking to, I don't want to say his name because I don't want to get him in trouble, but it's somebody that you may have heard of who's in the media that truly believes that that's exactly what happened.

He claims to have inside information. I may have already said his name the last time I said it. But it was interesting the way he put it forward, saying that they needed somebody to be the face of AIDS, HIV research, somebody that could attract a lot of money towards fighting the disease. And so they figured Magic Johnson, he's the best way to do it. Let's take advantage of this. Would Fauci be involved? Yes, definitely. Yeah, if he was...

Pulling all the strings. Yeah. Yeah, what if Fauci is like Magic Johnson's point, man. Like, Magic Johnson has to check in with him once every month. Make sure he's still being good. They're still getting his checks. I guess Fauci probably has been there that long, right? Oh, yeah.

That's how he made his bread and butter. What if they're in cahoots? Wow. Wow. A lot of dots starting to connect here. Yeah, you know, that would really implicate Ronald Reagan, too. That would be something, wouldn't it big team? That'd be a, well, we don't. We're just tossing names in now that have no business being in there.

Well, I know Ronald Reagan was in charge of the United States response to it. Well, one. It's just a million percent. true that Ronald Reagan was the president when it came to the first. I tell you what, I'd be, HIV AIDS. I'd be willing to, uh, for Ronald Reagan to have something to do with it if Fauci also did. Okay. That's a sacrifice. You hate Fauci more than you love Ronald Reagan. Oh, by a factor of a thousand. Not even remote. I wasn't alive when Ronald Reagan was,

you know, doing his thing. Okay. I'm being fucked by Fauci right now. I understand the frustration with Fauci to a certain extent in that he has not been 100% right all the time or truthful but how could you be like it things change almost like on a monthly basis especially when this was first getting started I get what people would be frustrated but I don't understand like

somebody actively hating Fauci and thinking like he's the devil he's like an old Italian man that's been studying germs for his entire life well there's now like it now he's like a global force for evil well there's now pretty good evidence that he was being intentionally untruthful at certain points. I think that's very fair to say. Do you think that there's ever a circumstance where you should be intentionally untruthful?

If you are the head of one of the biggest events in the United States that's occurred in the last Lord knows how many decades, no, especially not under oath. I know. I agree with PFT like he didn't do a perfect job and the frustration is warranted. I also don't think he should be like, check out my new Netflix special. He's not a fucking stand-up comedian. Like, how about it's fucking the same thing as Cuomo?

Like, you can't publish the book on how you defeated coronavirus when coronavirus is still running up the fucking. Remember when Libs were calling themselves Cuomo sexuals? That aged well. I don't know. None of those people, none of those people lived in New York to New Yorkers credit throughout the entirety of this, they were like, hey, we still hate this guy. Like, no matter what nice things he's saying on the television, everyone from New York was like,

no, this guy stinks. it was the rest of the country who was like that's the next president and every new york it was like trust me no please do not do that there are people falling in love with the the quomosexual thing in retrospect is probably one of the more i think at the time i even thought like this is really fucking cringy what people are doing right now yeah hang in there gets worse but i don't would you kill fouchy if you had the opportunity of course not okay i i wouldn't have expected of course not to be the answer no i'm not going to murder anyone although he has arguably murdered tens of thousands of Americans.

See, that's where me and you differ. Like, I can't, like, has there ever been a less enviable job? No. Than head of coronavirus. Like, I can't, I trade jobs with every coal miner, every, literally every job that's ever happened. I would rather have that than be the face of how we're dealing with coronavirus. He seems to be eating it up.

Well, he seems to not mind at all. I think Coley's right in that one of the things that he probably should have done a lot better is learned how to say no to stuff. Right. And to not, you know, you don't need to be doing documentaries about yourself as it's happening. But he had people around him that were probably approaching him a lot being like, hey, we'd like to do this project, this project. And he probably said yes to way too many things. Um, and it does give off an error of like, okay, self-importance. But goal is right. Like this is a, that's been a pretty shitty job to be in charge of your, your nation's messaging about coronavirus.

especially in the sense like what PFT was saying, it is, like you're out, you can only base it off the information you have. So at the beginning when he's saying certain things, it's based off the information he has. The second that changes, and now he's perceived to be wrong, now people aren't going to listen to better. Like, it was just never, he had to be perfect. And that's an unrealistic bar to hold anyone to given the task. And that's the task he signed up for. I get it. That's what he dedicated. No, for me, he just needed to be truthful. and that has not been the case what do you think is the biggest thing that he's lied about

like lied not gotten wrong the gain of function research okay but isn't that still kind of up in the air I think it's it's pretty evident at this point that he was not being truthful I the last I heard that was still up in the air

there have been some people that say it's absolutely 100% true I've read some stuff that says that it hasn't been at a minimum very very sketchy you also have to think like what's the gain of not being 100% truthful in certain circumstances there are obviously ways he could have been completely malicious and evil but um it's like what's the why show all my cards right now especially if i do have people not believing everything i say should i empty the tank every time i speak well a lot of people who are speaking under oath to congress have a reason to not show all their cards but we still expect them to

because that's how it works for sure uh there's also most people speaking under congress don't have a potential of like widespread panic uh at every word they say i guess all right i'm i'm looking up bring back a word it was unprecedented yes it was i'm looking up uh gain of function research it's like rand paul saying yeah you were doing gain of function fouchy saying no i wasn't so it's I see that the National Institute of Health admitted that they did it. NIH said the Wuhan experiments did not involve gain a function. That's what I'm looking at right now, director of Francis Collins. In a letter to Representative James Comer of Kentucky on Wednesday,

a top NIH official blamed EcoHealth Alliance, the New York City-based nonprofit that has funneled U.S. funds to the Wuhan Lab for not being transparent about the work it was doing. So maybe that they claim they didn't know about it, but that it was happening. I see that's what I'm saying like I don't think that we know I did so I don't I've never heard Fauci talking to be like this motherfucker's lying 100% I've been like well he's what he says is not the Bible like he's he's still figuring it out just like everybody else is so he can be wrong at the very beginning when he was like no I don't think we need masks on every image you

saw out of China was ever and granted it's a culture that's always embraced masks for any kind of sickness. But you look there and everyone who were in mass, it's like, I feel like they're probably going to change their tune on this. And then they did. So again, lying, like murdering tens of thousands of people, like all that feels tough to put on one person, whether you like the guy or not.

And the, uh, there has definitely been like a subsection of people that fell in love with Fauci. Just like they did with Cuomo. And it's like this is just. Or Ginsburg, all that. Yeah, just weird to fall in love with. Really, they're falling in love with what they hope the person represents to them.

That's it. Right. We don't know these fucking people. Yeah. Yeah, I just think no matter what, he's at the forefront. So he's going to take all the blame regardless. So if he's lying, he's lying to everybody. So like if people are dying, people are just, people are blaming it on him. I don't think that they're blaming deaths on him.

They're blame more so. The people that hate Fauci hate them because they have to wear a mask like on a train or like at an airport. I don't think they hate Fauci because people are dying, right? Yeah. I don't know. Suicide rates have skyrocketed in this country. I could be wrong. Okay. So, but are you more frustrated with them? People have lost their jobs. People have lost their homes. What about the people that died though? Like actually from the virus. Horrible. But that's never the first thing that people bring up and they're pissed off at Fauci. It seems like that should be. If you're actually mad about lying about like gain of function stuff, that should be the very first thing that you're pissed off about is like we've had 500,000 people die in this country. Well, I think. we all agree that they were taking measures to hopefully prevent that. But I think it went way too far and caused a lot of damage in the opposite direction. Well, I think there was no, it was like he was trying to do one job and wasn't getting the other side to cooperate. And I don't mean right versus left. I mean, like, there was no trickle-downs always tough in these

conversations, but there's no trickle down to smaller branches of government for those people to take care of what they needed to. There was no, like, I remember early on, France was embarrassing us with how they were giving their citizens more than, how much did we end up getting, like $1,300 from the government? There was a $1,600 one and then a $1,200 one, right? Yeah, so $2,800 for two years, and I believe it was like $2,400 a month in France, and now I don't know how long that lasted. but the point remains they did do that for a point of time longer than the two checks people in this country got so yeah i get what you're saying with the lockdowns and stuff like that but if there had been any cooperation from the government to actually help people like he was telling you what needed to be done which i i believe we have all seen it was effective um but the fact that there was no cooperation to keep people inside and safe is where it's like yeah i can tell you the right thing to do if no one's going to help me get there, then there's really no point in talking about it.

Yeah. I think if we had just paid everybody to stay home from work, that would have been nice. That's it. And we've talked before about how we just print money and do shit like that. Like there was a way to get it done. Obviously, uh,

with now people are like, oh, the vaccine doesn't work. You see people every fucking day comparing it to goddamn seatbelts. It's all tiresome from every angle. The defiance in people is just, like I I've been thinking about this a lot lately no one argues in good faith anymore no ever it's all it's exclusive bad faith arguments from everyone and it's just like if people

would just shut the fuck up and have an actual conversation but what they truly feel just not what would get people incited then I think you could actually get some fucking things done but if everyone's just going to constantly argue in bad faith like yeah that we're just going to keep sputtering in the mud now that being said I really did like the stephen colbert vaccine song that he did with all the dancing syringes the other night that to me really brought our country together did you see that big tea oh yeah i saw it that was boy you talk about someone who has really i mean just absolutely falling off stephen colbert my goodness he used to be funny i didn't even know what that was supposed to be honestly i mean he used to be genuinely funny yeah and he's just

my god cash and checks tough uh good for him you know i hope that i hope that apartment on central park west is treating him well but he's a big republican he's got a portrait of Ronald Reagan your boy in his office is that true yeah I actually don't know if he's Republican but he's like no he's a mega live no yeah I'm from South Carolina right I think he's yeah but he is I think he's actually middle of the road maybe I don't think so

maybe New York got the best of him I don't know Billy's been still stewing over here about football what else have you uncovered Billy because you definitely haven't been thinking at all about what we've been talking about You've just been looking at your computer. I'm sweating. So there's a, when a baseball is hit into the stands, it is considered abandoned property. Yes.

Yes. But what act of the football? The literal giving it away. Right. But that's different than abandon it. So then we go outfielder. Tosses it up. Yeah.

I'm just saying there's a lot more to this And I don't have the facts But they could easily I'm just saying If you don't think a team of lawyers Couldn't get that football back from that guy He was in the stage of bargaining where he thinks that he should be right But he realizes that he's not correct So he's now he's just mad at the world for not being

I'm not mad at the world I'm just so surprised that you guys don't think A group of lawyers with a multi- Why hasn't anyone done it Why haven't Because they got it back No, like for Mark McGuire's 70th home run that went for $3 million. So I was reading about it.

Why didn't they go get that? Because there's a specific sentiment in baseball where once the ball is hit into the crowd, it is considered abandoned equipment. So why don't you think that that exists when someone gives a football away? Because I don't think that the person, it's that was a president said because there's so much baseball litigation because people getting hit by foul balls and hurt that they don't want responsibility for those balls. Because if they did, then people getting hit in the head, foul balls, bad stuff, they're held liable to those balls going to the crowd. Anyway, we can stop, but I just can't believe you guys are just so close-minded, the fact that that that could be true. Hold on. Let me ask you this. In 2004, the Red Sox won the World Series. You see, this is all baseball. Hold on. I haven't even gotten through my setup yet.

2004, the Red Sox won the World Series. It was a big deal. The final out was caught by Dougman. the first baseman he did not throw it into the crowd he put it in his back pocket the team asked him about it and he was like yeah i got it uh it got authenticated by the league he had it he held on to it the team wanted it back they couldn't get it back he was not a fan the ball was not abandoned why didn't they this team of billionaires sue a guy who made probably like 20 million career dollars did they not get it back no why was the ball special

because it was the last out because they won the world series for the first time in 86 years yeah I just don't think the baseball might not apply here I don't think that's too great because every example has been baseball yeah you this one has this one was a fan this one wasn't a fan this was a player I know I know I guess it's property of the team according to

I'm just I'm just saying Okay Next question We have another voicemail I'm sorry Max from Indiana My question for you guys this week Is if you got to choose

How the world ended How would you want it to go Yeah I love the podcast Aryan Maddie you guys are gorgeous Everyone else you guys are handsome Love the show Keep it up guys you're doing great

it's a good question I've thought about this before actually best wave for the world to end I think I think a giant tidal wave would be pretty sick it's over like that instantly it probably looks

chill as hell when it's approaching you and it gives you enough time to just be like well this is it and you know for a fact that there's nothing that you can do as it's approaching you I think it'd be I don't know I think that would be a nice way for the world to get just completely destroyed. We wouldn't have much time.

No, we wouldn't be over fast. Yeah. What about you guys? That's not a bad one. That's a gigantic wave you're talking about. Big wave. I'm talking like massive, massive wave. Not like not just a tsunami.

I think those are terrifying actually, the ones that they actually have in Japan. I'm talking about like a giant huge 70 foot tall or 70 story tall. wave that just smashes into us well that's going to suck why well of course you're going to die everything that you know the world is going to end so that's not great if the world had to end but like perfect scenario aliens come they're like we're going to delete your planet we're going to give you a month to live but we're going to make sure that all of your infrastructure remains so somehow they it's the purge yeah but it's not the purge they somehow are able to let everyone just party and live out their last days without it turning to chaos, but more of

just like a rave. Well, yeah, obviously. Like, yes, if there were a way to have the world in, but also have it be the best time ever by these new space rules, then yes, I agree with that. Okay, aliens come. They let you party and rave for a month. Then they delete you. And also, they give you new drugs that you don't even know exist yet. Alien drugs. They pump drugs into the world so that purge doesn't happen. Yeah, you just have a massive party. Yeah. for a month and then you don't feel a thing yeah that's actually that's a much better answer yeah would you in that scenario would you want a month knowing that the world was going to end in a month would you rather just end right there i'd want the month i don't think i would type some

loose ends you'd say just do it to me now i couldn't uh i that month would just be spent with such a an existential dread no but the drugs take that away take the edge off just let you live out your bucket list you would definitely you would want to it now, though, with your Braves. Yeah, actually, I want the world to end. I want the Braves to sweep the Houston Astros, and then on Saturday, right after the Braves win the World Series, the world just engulfs into flames, and that's it. Yeah, you guys remain champions for the rest of time.

Eternity. It's a worse ending than Game of Thrones. That would stink. I don't, I would want the month just because, like, we could figure that out. Like, I don't know who these big, tough aliens are that we can't, we don't have a month to game plan. We got Belichick with four weeks. We can't game plan to beat these aliens.

That's too pessimistic for me. But I do like the idea of a 7 billion person, Molly, overdose, taking us all out. That seems like a pretty good time. That's a good plan. Yeah. Good job, Billy. Avery? Rangers win the cup, and then we get hit with a comet.

A whole Earth, it just explodes. Okay. I like that. Yeah, I'm still going to stick with the alien rave. I think I would really enjoy that month. you'd really prioritize a lot of stuff. Priorities would become crystal clear in that month. And you just realize all the stuff that you don't actually care about.

I would still watch sports. I would still like if the world's ending in a month and the NFL playoffs are never going to start, I'd still be refreshing the like playoff picture and be like, wow, I can't believe the Bengals still have the one seed right now. I was just going to say, man, the Bengals are really getting fucked here. I would still be really interesting, like, who's in the hunt. Okay, what are the next six weeks like on? the Washington football team schedule.

Oh, wow. We end the season with five straight divisional games. That's crazy. I would care about all that inconsequential stuff still. But I think, I don't know, during the week, actually, I probably just keep doing, I probably just do exactly what I do right now. I don't know if I'd even participate in the rave. I'd be like, man, I wish I was younger so I could do this apocalypse rave that all the kids

are up to. Be completely foreign to me, all these TikTokers and their ecstasy thing. all right we good for today all right that does it for macrodosing that's a nice clean little three hour sewed glad that we got to talk about some gold glad we got to make a new friend thank you guys for listening arian will be back next week and we're doing nanodosing on Thursday mini dosing nano nano I was actually thinking about this last week and I don't know if it had come up before what about snackro dosing just a little snack size up.

Oh, that's good, too. Snack redosing is... Where was that three weeks ago? Listen, my brain works when it works. I don't have any say over what's going on over here. I like it, Cooley. We'll do... This Thursday will be snack or dosing on chapter four, three.

Four. Chapter four of the Art of War. So we're doing the Aaron Rogers Book Club again on Thursday. Tune in for that. And we will see you guys there. Love you guys. Hmm, hmm.