Macrodosing: Arian Foster and PFT Commenter - Havana Syndrome

Episode Date: November 2, 2021

On today's episode of Macrodosing, the entire crew is back for a three hour podcast with a HUGE announcement! Tyler Baron & Hendon Hooker pop in for the Tennessee Minute to preview the upcoming week vs. Kentucky. Later on, Felix Biederman from Chapo Trap House comes on to talk Havana Syndrome (01:59:00). All this and PLENTY more on today's show. Sit back, relax and enjoy.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/macrodosing

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Pleasure to have you. How is the weekend? How is the weekend off? it was good a chance to get healthy hang out with the family a little bit just relax beautiful it was very i love it well we got arian back on he wasn't there last week unfortunately so we couldn't we couldn't really get to the nuts and bolts of of the arrangement that we're that we're seeking to have here so do you guys you guys have some questions for us we don't no questions at this time okay i like it um arian so they came on last week

They're looking to do some content for us, maybe appear on the show every single week, do a little check-in, participate in the Tennessee Minute, that sort of thing. We told them that sounded like a great arrangement and that we'd be looking to enter into a financial arrangement with both these very talented young men. I'm assuming that's okay with you. Yeah, man, depends on what we're talking, you know. What y'all talk about? Yeah, I want to do negotiations on air? No, no. I think that was not

professional way. That's unprofessional. I like it. I like it. But you do have, you got a big game come up this weekend. Kentucky,

where are we at? Where's a confidence meter at? This is a border battle. We feel good. We're ready to rock and roll. Everybody getting back healthy. No care. Guys coming in,

smiling, you know, just ready to work today. You know, for the work day. First day back, we're ready to get to it. Tyler, have you seen, have you done any research

on the, Kentucky quarterback. Have you looked into his social media history? No, I really don't even know who he is, Bureau, too. Okay. Have you seen his TikToks? I don't even, I don't know his name.

I don't be so real. I know he was number seven, and he's a big quarterback. I like that. I like that you've been studying so much film. You only know him by the number, right? Is that the spends on that we're going with? No, no, for it. That's what it is.

I mean, I don't really, to be honest, with nobody we play, I don't really get caught up in who what people say it is I like that a lot. I like that. So his name is Will and he's big on TikTok. I'll tell you this. He makes coffee and instead of creamer. He puts mayonnaise in his coffee. What are your thoughts on that? That's real. It's just real. Where he'd be eating the banana hole. He's wild. He's wild. He's wild, boy. My guy puts mayonnaise in his coffee. Puts mayo and his coffee. Puts mayo and his coffee. Is he, he got to be white. He's white.

Oh, yeah. He's, I don't want to comment. I don't know his family history, but he appears to be of Caucasian descent. There's no way he's not. That's the weird. I mean, if he's white or black, he's tripping. No, it matters, man. He eats the banana like, like the peel of the banana, right?

Yeah. That's the white. He ate the banana peel? The whole thing. He ain't doing that shit for show. Nobody just be eating that shit. That's what I'm saying. He's doing this for the cloud.

No one got to. If he is, that's nasty. Billy, is there any nutritional benefits? It probably is, though. Is there any nutritional benefits? It might be. It might be. But you know how many, like.

How many people don't do that shit? How many people's hands have been on those bananas? That's a good point. That's true. I haven't thought about that. Like, the handling factor, they don't wash them before they sell them. And I don't think he, I don't think that male coffee guy washes the banana before he eats it. that's yeah that that could be dangerous there's probably

he's probably the type of guy to like say some weird shit in the pile or if you like sack him yeah just be on the lookout for that you might you might say some weird shit he may not say no weird shit dude he might fuck with you in the pile now I'm a laugh y'all can't ask anybody during the game I'm like I can't we could joke on the field like I'm collected in the most calm yeah you smile during plays I remember I remember Heinz Ward used to laugh during plays.

Now, that's how I am for real. Like, after the play, like, I'll joke with people on the outside of the ball, like, they know what about you, Hendon? I'm locked in. Killer mode, for real. Killer mode? Yes, sir. We haven't talked about kind of what brought you here, Hendon.

You played at Virginia Tech for a little bit? Yeah, yeah, up in the mountains in Blacksburg, Virginia. Yeah, Blue Ridge Mountains. We were just talking about the Blue Ridge's couple weeks. weeks ago. I think that's a top four mountain range in the world. Yeah, it's, uh, I'll say this. There's definitely some beautiful views up there. And, uh, the weather definitely gets cold up there, for sure. Um, but what, what brought me to Tennessee was, um, the opportunity to showcase my talents and compete at a high level in the SEC. Um, and also, uh, just talking to, like

some alum like Emanuel Mosley asking him, uh, what his time in Knoxville was like. And he was telling me he enjoyed it and uh also talking to bryce thompson who was on the team at a time before he declared he was kind of giving me a rundown of uh the team and um the camaraderie between everyone so uh i like what i heard and um and also there there there are a couple women in knoxville too which is nice compared to blacks bird always nice always nice have a couple women yeah uh did you ever you ever go top of the stairs you got bunnieres right now you go to tots you have one of their drinks there? Never had a real, but I went to Tots a couple times.

I, uh, fun fact, I got kicked out of Tots one time. What did you do with a one? I don't know. They, you know, it's all politics there sometimes. I think they were mad because I had all the women. Every woman at Virginia Tech was talking to me, so both of them were there and they

were saying, oh, hey, it's nice to meet and they're like, sorry, buddy, you got to go. Oh, man. They play hitters. Playheaders. Playhitters. That's right. It's good to hear you. It's good to hear you. I don't catch you used that term, man. I didn't think that shit was still around. Yeah, that's fine.

Of course. Yeah. For sure. Hendon, I just realized that we have the same birthday. Whoa. Yeah. When is that? January 13th.

January 13th. Birthday week, you guys, we're going to have to celebrate. Exactly. What we're doing? We're doing it. How old are you? How old are you? I'm not going to toss, dog.

How old are you, right? How old are you? I'm 23. Okay. We can turn it up there. Yeah. What do you want for your birthday? Let's start planning it out.

Yeah, some, some, some, some, some, some, some, uh, some money is always in the birthday. Uh-huh. Money for his birthday. Okay. I mean, I never, I never really, I never really received a lot of presents on my birthday, um, from any birthday, so, I mean. Okay, I'm going to hook you up, man. That was a sad-ass fucking, fucking.

I'm not, I'm not, I'm not. I'm going to be honest. Let's just have goals, man. We don't start a go-finding me. We're going to get a whole. We don't get a gift. Nah, I got you. It's free stuff.

What you mean? For sure. Oh, shit. Hinden, you're from Greensboro? Yes, sir. All right. Yeah, my family's from Greensboro, too. Okay.

So, great town. Unfortunately, the ACC is moving out of Greensboro, I think. Yeah, that's tough. Moving on to Greener Pastors. Stamy's barbecue is. the stuff of legends. You like Stamies? Yeah, I love Stamies.

Stamies is delicious. Big Tee, you got anything for the guys for the Tennessee Minute? I mean, you know, off this week. We got a big game this week, battle for the beer barrel, even though they don't let us give that out anymore, which is bullshit.

Hey, I got a question. Big T, is your voice gone from the Braves game? Yeah, bro. Tough, tough night. Tough. It's okay. We're going to get them tomorrow. When people are listening to this podcast on Tuesday,

we're going to win the World Series today. but no yeah let's just go I'm excited to beat the shit out of Kentucky okay get back above 500 and uh it's a big game it's a big game it's a big game getting above 500 it's a it's a big deal what what are you guys big tea and and and you too what do you guys have to say about the fact that Kentucky has become a football school and tennessee's become a basketball school in recent years well even listen good question kentucky is having the best four to five year run in the history of their football program and they still like they beat us last year fine whatever uh they came in they're obviously

not ranked as highly right now after they lost on saturday but they they came into knoxville my senior year and they were number 11 or 12 in the country and we beat the shit out of them 24 to 7 listen we will always beat them in football now we beat them in basketball it's what it is we that we're going to win Saturday, just like we have, I don't know, 30 out of the last 32, however many it is. Wait, y'all play Kentucky on Saturday? Yeah, yeah. That was usually, like, the last game of this. So why did they move it up?

They got Bandy the last game in season. We got Kentucky, Georgia, South Alabama, and Vanderbuk. Big C, what's the reason for that? Vendee, Bidged for a long time that we were their only game worth of shit, and so that they had to play it on the last week because, like, that was their rivalry game, whatever, good for them. So now we play Vandy on the last week instead of Kentucky, which is fine, whatever. It doesn't sound like you're fine.

I mean, Vanderbilt, like, what are we doing, talking about Vanderbilt football? I mean, it sounds like both of these teams are the mud on your shoe. So I don't know why you care about playing either of them. Well, Kentucky at least has like some history to it. Like it's been played a bunch. It's one of the most played games in college football history. Vanderbilt's just, I mean, come on. And where's the game this weekend?

They're in the middle of their best five-year stretch ever. What history do they have? Well, the game has historical context. It's been just because it's been played a bunch. But it's in Lexington, Saturday. It's in Lexington. That was my favorite place to play in NCZ. Yeah, I loved it.

I ain't never been up for a lot. And when it's real cold, like, it's always 25 degrees. I wouldn't vouch for that. But it has a hell of a statement to make. But I think it was 2007. we had to beat them in order to get an SEC championship. And we went to like four overtime. She scored was like 52 to 50.

She was crazy. And it was cold. I couldn't feel my toes at the end of the game. That she was one of my favorite moments in football period. That's true. Shit. That's a look for show. Shootout.

That's where it sounded like. Four overtime. I think we need to. What was your stats in that game? Huh? What was your stats in that game? I went over a buck and I think I had like 90-some yards receiving. What's a good day?

I'll find out. Hang on. We did it off. Do you have, is there any running back on the team right now that tends to overstate the value of his hands in the passing game? Just curious and always demanding more catches. You know what?

Do this. Do this, my G. Call up Andre Johnson, right? One of the greatest receivers of all time. We all have his number, yes. Acksy, but man, niggott, tweet him. Tweet him or something. I'll just, you know, I'll get him more.

You know, don't even worry, but I'll get him more. I say, come on the pod. He ain't doing shit, but me retired. I got you, bro. They're going to vouch for the hand. Any one of my quarterbacks, I'm telling you, though. I had hands better than more than I receive. I'm telling you, man.

I will say, Aryan in that 07 Kentucky game, 27 carries for 118 yards, also led the team with nine receptions for 98 yards in a touchdown. All right, pretty good. It's not bad. It's not bad. It really isn't bad at all. But you understand. In a cold game like that, where the footing is bad.

25 degrees. Every game in Lexington. Every game in Lexington is 25 degrees. Every time you do sound like you're talking about a game that took place in the late 19th. Yeah, you don't understand back where they had cleats made out of teeth. All right. You guys have any questions for us? Anything that you want to get into?

Hey, is Hawks still the equipment manager there? You know it. Know it. Hey, man, for you. Do this. Tell them out. Tell him I'll be on my pod now. And tell him to send me some shit.

Tell them, I don't got no gear. I'm X-L bottoms, L-top. You got you. Send me somewhere I can tell them to send it to. I got you. I'll text you my address. Good, that. All right, bet.

Now, the last place you're going to find this stuff is your house. You do not check your mail. If he tell me it sent, I'll check the mail. That's the issue. They'll be sending shit and don't tell me that they send it. And it just piles up. And I don't have a reason to check. Man, this is 2021.

Why are you still sending paper grow up? I think you're talking about FedEx. check you'll get a FedEx or a UPS it depends on how he sends it i don't know how whoever i don't know how hawk going to send it yeah shout out the chicken hog that's my guy bro he used to hold me down man nothing to do it for real hawk's been there a while yeah he been there shit shit way before me so he went on like 30 33 years right now yeah hawk man that's my guy oh yeah did y'all miss out on um joe the the the video guy y'all probably got a new one huh joe still here joe still there yeah Good dude, man.

Hell of a golfer, too. Do you guys know Smokey, the dog? Yeah, that's my little man. You're taking one walk, some shit. Really? Nah, nobody knows it. They probably, they probably, that's fucked up. I was so, it would have been so cool.

I was so excited about you taking Smokey on the story. Let the man tell the story. Nobody cares about dogs. We was walking down the ballwalk. What game was this? The most recent one, I think. Oh, Miss. All right.

So we walking down, and we had to front of whatever. And the dog is up there. But the dog starts squatting and shit. I'm like, what the hell? The dog takes a shit on the ground and a lady steps in it while she's walking out of ball, walk with us. And then everybody behind, the dog keeps shitting on the ground

and pissing everybody's stepping on our living. It was wild. People love dogs. What do you said? I said, people love dogs. They probably love that shit. I'm like, oh, so cute. I love smoking.

I just think that Smokie's the best dog in college football. I don't think that's that wild of a statement. Like, name a better dog. He's tough. Certainly not Revely, that French piece of shit from Texas A&M. I don't know. Uggas ugly as shit. That's pretty.

Well, yeah. Straight. Oh, you're in Ugga stand, that dumb ass fucking, you know, you don't like that dog. I love. All dogs are trash. All dogs are trash. I agree. I don't want to get the guys in trouble for just like being on a podcast

where we're just slandering other SEC dogs. But I actually do kind of like that segment. We might have to bring that one back. Do you guys have the, 05, we went to LSU and they had a, do they still have it? They had a real fucking tiger. Oh, yeah. You know their mic anymore.

We'll meet our next year. That's going to be courage. Yeah, he still lives on campus. It's a different Mike. It's a different Mike. Got a whole thing. That feels like a bad idea. That feels like one of those bad ideas.

Why do you motherfuckers have a, Especially in an area that's so susceptible to, like, crazy wins and, like, terrible hurricane. Like, you can't just have a tiger. Bigger animal workout. It's over there. What? He's a security. He's taking 10 people with a mind on life.

Somebody going to have to stick on him off. Yeah, I had Coach O just shows up, and Mike respects Coach O. He just snaps his fingers and Mike rolls over, let some scratch his belly. And the things that's going to be dead. I've seen the enclosure. Mike's enclosure is actually. really nice. It's better than any zoo I've ever seen.

It's how they take it break here to moon. It should. He really ain't he supposed to be over. Yeah, he's not. He's not at all. I'm like, okay. Care not. Do you guys have any recommended topics for us to cover on this

podcast? Like, what sort of shit interests you? If in your free time, if you get like free time to look something up on the internet or do some reading or listen to a podcast, what kind of shit do you guys like to listen to a read? Honestly, I was talking, me and Tyler

talking about this all the time, but we really just been interested on all these majestic animals. Like the animals that are deep in the sea that no one knows about. Okay. Like along with the light on their head? Tyler trying to act like

when we're talking about that we watch an animal planet like every day. I do watch OD Animal Planet in like animal video. Like damn their everyday. But Don't act like you're too cool for this conversation, Tyler, because everybody loves majestic animals.

Okay. But I can talk about whatever. You can bring any conversation. I'm going to have some of this. What do you think of Havana syndrome? You said what? Havana syndrome. Have you heard about this?

Yeah. You want to tell them what Havana syndrome is? So, like, they think that U.S. government workers in Cuba are getting radio waves beamed into their head, and it's messing with them, concussion like symptoms so I'm gonna do some research on that

and we can we can spit ball about it yeah it's kept we think it might be just a case of people being bored at work and they want to feel like they're James Bond so they're like oh yeah the the Russians are firing x-ray beams into my head I swear to God I'm sick

oh we actually I want to get some feedback from you guys because a big part of this podcast and the culture of this podcast has a lot to do with frogs because it's kind of like our unofficial mask it's like our smoky would be a cool frog and Billy's been hard at work in the last 30 minutes designing a new frog for us for a logo

so can you hold it up to the camera and be honest be brutally honest what do you think no get closer to the camera Billy so I'm not going to lie if it's terrible I'm gonna listen to you know I want the truth what do you think about that frog that's just bad that's horrible I didn't even see that he got teeth

One laying on another. Why is Paul so sure? We got a cool mockup of merch earlier. Dude, Billy, your dog is getting roasted. You can go ahead. You can go and take that word. You're like, uh, cookie monster in the face. Yeah, like we got.

No, it looks like a crab went to an all you can eat buffet. Mm-hmm. We got some cool merch mock-ups earlier today and there was one with a frog that looked awesome. And Billy's like, no, wrong frog. We can't use that frog. tree frogs are common core ass frogs frogs. It did look

it did look very rainforest cafe. Yeah, I'm that looks like, love the rainforest yeah, but that's like front of they don't exist anymore. That's like a front of the text like a what math textbook frog. That's fake news. Rainforest Cafe in Nashville. Yeah.

Oh really? Yeah. There's a touch of rainforest cafe. Look at that frog. What do you think about that frog guys? We're like a lot to you. That's hard. Yeah. Yeah. Everybody But he loves the red-eyed tree frog. I'm not going to lie. That's way better than yours. I did that in 10 seconds.

It's based on, look, Google African Bullfrog right now. Real quick. Okay, but that's not what we're talking about. We're talking about that picture you drew. I know, but we're trying to get that ambiance. Okay. Say that one more time. Ambience, the ambience being African bullfrogs?

Yeah. Appiance. This is like if, uh, I see why he made him off starvation. See, that's, It is a cool frog, but I think that should be our frog, though. We're not red-eyed tree frogs is like algebra one textbook shit. I know the textbook that you're referring to. And you're right.

It has that. It's got that fraud. You know what I'm saying? Like we're not some algebra one textbook type shit. Like we need something like we need a macrodosing frog. We need the frogs that you can lick and trip balls off of. Those are the kind of frogs we need represented on this show. Colorado River Toads.

What are those? That's the ones they lick. Oh, okay. I don't know why he just fit that out. Like, oh, yeah, I was with him last, yeah. Oh, no, Billy, Billy just is an encyclopedia of frog knowledge. Yeah. Too much animal planet does it to you.

Mm-hmm. Um, well, good luck, guys. Rooting, for you guys, uh, fuck Kentucky. I'm going to sell that frog sketch is an NFT. You'll show them. Just to show you guys how. Nobody's going to buy that shit. Why?

Nobody's going to buy that shit. I will be surprised. Actually, I will, I will sell this. picture of a frog is an nfti i take that back there's somebody buy pictures of your feet once yeah yeah so i i take that bad thing i think you just got stands out there don't buy anything you put out like no but that was different what this freak bull you know so no no no so when the nil came out you know a bunch of your i bet a bunch of your teammates secretly made only fans that you just don't know about and they're selling their picks so like it's very

commonplace how he's just what y'all got what do y'all got the only fan you're not really trying to go out to that you got to use your likeness to make money

I ain't gonna steal myself I ain't doing let me find out let me find out jane twirking is twirling stop playing I can't

you know you're just in our game man but Nah Yeah Some like Random dude

I think We get me We get it That's fucking hilarious Let's see He'll actually Pay me for this And it was like a joke

But it went too far He did it as a joke Started sending me money It was totally He was kidding Yeah So you were still sending him But it was a joke

Ironically Yeah I was literally my foot Like I thought I was I was messing with him And then I got paid He was messing with you

For real But who really, but who really loses there? I think, I think he liked it for real. I mean, if you could like... It gave you, oh, you got you like $100, yeah, if you could just, like, dude, I'm not... Yeah, now, yeah, now you're changing your tune. No, no, no, no, he thinks that you're exotic. Filled out for more than that.

No, this is like, Billy, you know, this is like, you see dodgeball or that dude, he kept paying that one dude to shine his tie, just that one time. He was rubbing his belly button. That's you, man. I don't even remember that scene Hey Billy money's money Hey it was it was a bit It was a bit

It was all a bit But hey It started making too much money And then I was like this isn't funny You let the brand pile up before you said You said no more Yeah There was only one picture ever distributed

And people were paying for a subscription And that was all they got That we kind of I will pay $50 for a picture of Billy's foot to surface Reservice on the internet So now you're buying Billy's feet picks I'm by ironic

I'm buying it and we're going to post it on our pages He's buying the rights to the picture My seller is the NFT Got it's a text right off Yeah That's not a text right out Yeah What I look at like you stupid too

All right guys I'll let you go You've got a lot of work to put in this week I'm sure Maybe not Just have fun Hope you guys are having fun of Knoxville. Where's the, if I'm going to Knoxville and I'm looking for, like, the best local spot to go and drink a beer, what would you say that would be?

I'm about 21. Good answer. That was a test. All right. I was going to tell you. I mean, I'll be in the house. Yeah, I think me, if you guys, anybody on the team, who the lamest dudes after the game, it's definitely a hitman. Like, we ain't went out one time after a game.

Like, okay. Uh-huh. That's why they're on our podcast. Yeah. So what? No, it's just cool. Aaron, when you were there, did you go out after games? Every time.

So we got the two. So we got the two lamest dudes on our podcast on the team. Nah, we're not lame. Oh, no, fuck that. You got to think, though, every damn nearer area home game, we'd have had them at 7 o'clock. So we ain't done till, like, midnight. We got to be back up at 9.30.

I remember we used to take naps and then go out. We used to start the night, like, at one. This is the time to do that. This is the time. Because when you get 20s, late 20, my age, like, none of that shit is appealing. It's not fun. Like, fun is like a glass of wine and a movie.

Like, that's fun. Like, your age, like, you're a punch party. I mean, be responsible. They don't do it crazy. Be responsible. Well, look that shit up. This is the time to do it. Eric is corrupting the youth

Harry Foster tells University of Tennessee students to go out and party harder you're not damaging your body enough after games you're prescribed you have to watch Animal Planet just the whole night

that's Billy's prescription all right Dr. Billy thank you guys for joining us and good luck this week stay healthy, stay safe beat up Kentucky can't wait to talk to you guys again on Monday on a victory Monday

do you get Monday off if you win how does that work you get it up i mean like we come in for we're gonna be there regardless yeah nice lift uh a swift run and that's all meetings on the back end of the day all right a nice lift and a swift run i like that that sounds fun all right all right we'll talk to you guys money good luck all right joe appreciate y'all see you guys that was the tennessee minute love the tennessee minute love talking with the guys love chopping it up with tyler and with hinden thank you to them for come back on. We have some very, very special news right now if you're in the New York area or if you have plans to come to the New York area. Tuesday, November 16th, we're going to be doing

a live show, macro-dosing live show. Tickets are going to be very, very limited. So I expect that they'll probably sell out not long after we put the link up there. So when are we putting that link up? So if you guys are listening to this, the day it releases, so these will go on sale Tuesday November 2nd at 5 p.m. So if you're listening to this on your commute home, you might be able to already get them. I'll put out a link on all of our socials and everything tomorrow to get them. They'll be 25 bucks. It's going to be at Lucky Jacks in the Lower East Side if you're in the New York City area or if you're a our rival podcast fan, son of a boy dad. That's where they had their live show a few weeks ago. So it's down there. It's going to be super fun. Aaron and Coley are coming in too.

So it's going to be the whole gang in person. And we're going to have, you know, giveaways. Big T is going to. Don't, don't say the segment, but it's going to be a great segment. Yeah. Big T is going to be there. We'll all be there hanging out. So I'll put out the link, but go quick if you hear this because they will probably sell it soon.

Be a very intimate setting. I love it. Okay. Lucky Jack's link is going up. It's going to be fun. It's going to be a live show. We're essentially going to sit down. talk with you guys shoot the shit shoot the shit have a good time you'll be able to say hi to us

you'll be able to uh debate big tea in person maybe i don't know we'll we'll work something out good luck good luck yeah like lambs to the slaughter is gonna be mowing down libs uh that that might need to be can we make that a t-shirt or a sticker or something just for me just print one that's i just one just one merch yeah the minotaur of minos it's big tea getting fed lips it just mowing down the libs one fact at a time. Bring facts. You have to bring facts if you're going to come to debate against Big T. Bill,

are you excited? I'm very excited. Yeah. Again, very limited supply. So be ready. I'm going to be on wine. I'm not going to be oceans episodes faded,

but I'm going to be feeling good. Oceans episode I did, I did wait too. And it's partially your fault, PFT. Because when I got to the studio, I was lit, but I was tolerable.

Uh-huh. But then you gave me the vodka. And the vodka took it over the top. I was out of there. I'll never forget. We were sitting. We hadn't gone in the studio yet. You and Billy got into an hour long debate about capitalism out in the main area of the office.

And I just looked at PFT and I was like, bro, he's like really drunk. And we still got to go do the whole show. That was amazing. We'll have a classic. We'll have a good time. Yeah, they'll be a meet. So it's at 7 p.m. on a Tuesday. There'll be a meet and greet before to hang out with us.

Angry Orchards. I'm going to, the bar that we're going to doesn't sell Angry Orchards. I'm going to make it. personal mission I know I'm going to make it my personal mission to bring angry orchards enough for big tea and the whole gang but yeah I'll be drinking course light mountains are blue yep all right we'll see you guys there yeah lucky jacks I take it apples are red apples are red and the mountains are blue Tuesday the 16th it'll be it'll be a fun time I'm glad that Aryan is coming into town we'll also be able to tape a show an actual show

for macrodosing with Aryan in person which I'm looking forward to and I think Donnie's coming into town soon that's sweet so we'll have to get Donnie to do the China episode with us at some point soon. Difty, how do you feel about your Washington football team saying, fuck the bye week? Yeah, I feel great about it. I don't know. Nothing surprised me.

You could honestly tell me anything about the Washington football team right now. Anything. You could make up whatever story you want about Dan Snyder that he literally kidnapped 101 Dalmatian puppies to make a coat out of them. And I would say, yep, that sounds about right. There's nothing you can tell me that would shock me. So what kind of revolt would happen? in Aryan if if your coach was just like you know we're so bad we're not going to actually

have our buy week what did that mean not have a buy week like they're like what was a traditional buy week because whatever that is the Washington football teams go like their buy is this upcoming Sunday so they don't have a game but they're practicing as if they do all week oh that's the dumbest shit you can do that is absolutely the dumbest shit you are these are they doing that yeah I think they're having, they're having like one practice. I think it's normal. You know, have like, so like say you have a barbecue, see, well, there's a couple ways you can do it.

You could, you could get the early part off or the latter part off. Usually people like the latter part off. And then, like, yo, we'll see you on Sunday. We'll see you on Armist. We'll see you on Monday. And like, you'll come in, you know, Monday, get a nice run, living, you know, maybe Tuesday gets the meetings in, maybe a walk through. And then they just leave you alone, usually.

But guys, you just stay around if they're into it, you know, come through, get some treatment, whatever. But if you're mandating cats be there, like, that shit is just a bad present dissent. Because a lot of cats like to go home to their families. It's not some college shit. That's like, you can't let, they grow, you can't do that. That's also the first year. There are 17 games, not 16. So he's just saying no by week.

We're running this shit all the way through January. That's what I'm telling us the dumb shit you can do, man. Are they practicing practicing? Like, for real? That's what he said. I think they're having a practice. Who calls that? Washington will not have the by week off per the team.

They'll practice Wednesday afternoon. So they have, it sounds like they have one practice Wednesday afternoon. Is that Dan Snyder calling that or is that? That's Rivera. Rivera. Wow, he's such a good coach too. I don't understand. Is he?

Well, he has longevity in the league. He's coachful. So he knows players. He knows the bodies. He knows what they want. This sounds like some punishment shit. Like, and that never works. Anytime, listen, if you're a coach out there, anytime.

your players are performing like shit more practice and that kind of like whip them into shape is never the just going to just going to divide everybody it's never like if more than night's like yo give them space like we need we need to step back from this let everybody rejuvenate and like sometimes you just don't have the team to win and you over you know micromanaging everything it's just going to make everything that much more worse you know people hate you at least I would rather go down with a coach that's going to ride with us rather than like because when When you're doing the whole, we need to practice more, you're saying, we're fucking up. That's what you're saying.

You're saying it's not me as a coach. You might even say, we all need to get better. But you're saying, they're fucking up. So they need to practice more. Rather than just saying, hey, man, sometimes the ball don't go away. Shit happens. We make it, we make it a lot of mistakes, but we can correct. You know what I'm saying?

There's ways to cover you track. This shit sounds like you just on some, like, bully shit. And that shit never wears, never goes good, ever. What do you think about Dan Campbell's approach to being own eight? He just goes out to every person. press conference sort of rise really rides with his team but they

keep coming up short I love it you're going to always have your team like that I don't know how he is in the locker room but like if you're doing that in public odds are he he has his team and if you have your team at the very least what happens if you have you have players willing to ride for you but

not you know he's and that keeps the synergy in the locker room so you may be say this is your rebuilding year right what you have is you'll have your core players, like, no, our coach is going to ride for us. When it's down, when we're down, he's going to ride for us.

Rather than, you know, I've had coaches throw me and throw our team under the bus in the, and it's just like, all that does is, man, fuck that dude. Like, fuck that dude. If you can't stand up to some questions from the media, then how I know you got my back for real. You don't.

Like, and so, like, you're going, you're going, that's, the best way to do it is do that. Take responsibility, like, we all going down, but this is the squad and this is how we ride. It's really some life shit. There ain't nothing to do with football. That's just some life shit. Like, when shit goes bad, ride with who's there with you.

Go to war with them. And if we take an L, we take an L, boy, at least we go out together. What do you think about a coach like Urban Meyer, who after the game on, I guess, yeah, it was the game on Sunday against the Seahawks, he was like, well, we had a great week of practice, so I don't really know what happened. I thought we were going to come out here and play a lot better. That's just code for him being like, I didn't do anything wrong. My players sucked, right?

when a coach is like, our practice was great. I ran a great week of practice, and then we just came out flat today. Loki, that's what it sounds like. But I think he's lost his locker room already, so I don't think there's any redeem for that. I think he's lost the world. I don't think that he has, there's nobody out there that's defending Urban Meyer, which is rare because usually you get the contrarians who are like, you know what it is. It's PC culture that's ruining Urban Meyer because now a man, like, it's against the law

to be heterosexual in America and fingered strangers butthole. in a bar with a picture of you and your wife on the wall. But we don't have anybody that's even taking it to that side. Nah, I thought Tebow was still riding for him. Oh, yeah. Well, Tebow was like, I think he went with love the sinner, hate the sin. Which is, that's as close as Tim Tebow will ever come to saying, fuck you. It really is.

Does he, does he cuss? No, I don't think so. Tebow don't cuss? It's actually a good question because he definitely, I feel like he cussed when he was playing occasionally. Is he pulling like a Philip Rivers and saying like, dang, nabit? Galdang it? Oh, dang it.

Andrew Luck move? Wait, Aaron, we got to bring this up. We got to bring this up. Derek Henry just got ruled out for the year. He's getting foot surgery. He's got a Jones fracture. Might be able to come back late in the playoffs. I don't know.

I've had that surgery before myself. And as a professional athlete, I can tell you, it takes a while to get your body back into game. shape even after the eight weeks. I'm still not back in game shape from when I had that surgery. So Derek can reset. Seven years ago. Yes.

Yeah, exactly. There's another running back out there. All pro. One of the best of his era has ties to the state of Tennessee. Arine Foster, if you got a phone call from Mike Vrable today, would you want to play? No, I would ask him from the sideline, passes on the. You know, so I could watch the, I'll come watching it. Babe was my dude, you know, he coached it at Houston

I was there, but I don't know, nigga. Hell no. You're not even taking the call? I will, I'll take the call because it's Mike. But I was like, how you doing, man? As a family, right good? Cool, cool, cool. I would not be doing that, though.

I have no, bro, I worked out the other day. So, so I started getting a little puff. You could kind of see it in my neck and my face and starting to get better because last week I just be, I ate, I ate hell of good. I worked out every single day, sometimes twice a day. I'm trying to get back. I don't like being fat during Christmas, right? No disrespect fat people, but like, I don't like feeling like pudgy.

You know, I don't like feeling pudgy while I'm about to like be purely gluttonous. You know, I don't like that feeling. And so like, I want to tighten back up for the holiday. So I'm gonna tighten up for Thanksgiving and the Thanksgiving I'm going ham on the turkey. And then for Christmas, I mean, for all December, same thing, I'll tighten up. And then, so anyway, so the other day, I was working out and bro, my calves are so. sore as shit and all I did was like run two miles it's just the body ain't there no more man it's and I'm I'm so happy that it's not because it's just not anything that I don't need my

mindset isn't even close to where that oh my god I can't like the shit I used to do I used to wake up at 530 morning and do a crazy workout go to sleep workout at like a little afternoon get another nap and then work out at night like no no I have no interest in that this is disgusting do you think thinking about it you think that Billy's faster than you right now It's possible. I doubt it, but it's possible. It's called 50 yards. You don't understand how long that is.

That's a long race. How fast could you? Well, all right, let's call it a 40 then. What was your 40 time, Aaron? He's the eyes. My 40 coming out was really bad, but there's a reason as to why. You want to hear your story? I think you've told it before.

You had like a hamstring or something, right? Yeah, so I pulled my hamstring in the senior bowl, and the combine was 23rd of February couldn't do that and my pro day was March 11th and it was a grade 2 so it was really bad so I was still hobbling and I couldn't really and but the scout convinced me for some reason I gotta get a time on you and so like I ran like a 4-7

which is that's not my 40 time and I hate that's what I ran because like you'll see like blogs and shit they're like Aaron 4's around a 4-7 you can make it in the NFL like bro I didn't run it for you there's film of me walking off like on safeties that ran 4-4s or 4-3s bro like

I'm not saying I run a 4-3 but like yeah I can get it I wasn't slow, but I hate that that's what happened. If you Google your 40 time, it says 4-6-8. Yeah, and that's, no, I wasn't a 4-6. I was walking, like, I used to train with cats who run 4-4, and I used to outrun them. Like, I, like, running, like, I trained on the track, so running was what I did. And so I hate that, that's what it, that's what it, like, you has all my trainers, or even cats that I train with, like, I, no, that's not my 20-time.

I hate I hate I get associated with that shit. Well, if you're, if you're going to be a slow running back, you have to have great hands. And so that's, I think. you're able to talk me into it you've talked me into it you know what this live show you're gonna have to shoot me a 30 just shoot me the fair one i was gonna say yeah we haven't even discussed it are you ready to beat this shit out of big team next time you're saying oh yeah oh matter fact big team i forgot about that come out i got i got i got my men just flooded with the they talking about something you could you could you could what me did you watch the clip did you

ever actually at the end of at the end of the clip you said i would never fight erring somebody we were on the we were enough we're on the watch live stream watching the world series somebody said what would happen if you fought arian and i jokingly said listen aryan obviously a great professional athlete has every physical advantage you could have on me but and then i said i just fucking won it more which i thought they didn't think now is very funny and so and then they took that and put a clip out and all the sudden in the macrodos and group chat i get a text from aryan that says i'll slap the shit out of cuss And I was like, bro, I know

Like did you watch the clip at all? No Of course not I just had to slap you I said I will slap the shit out of cuss That's what I do You're cause Big T I mean

Big T does have that Tyson Fury frame though He's got the movement in his shoulders In the length I actually could see him being quite sick No I didn't say slap I'll beat this shit out of care Okay yeah I said it's a little more disrespectful It is.

You don't understand how disrespectful that is. Okay. I wouldn't disrespect you like that beat. I would just regularly be able. Okay. I appreciate that. I could see Big T going psycho, though. Like, if he could go to a dark red place where his skin just starts to glow and he hulks up.

And then he just blacks out. And he goes nuts. Doesn't remember it. I hear that. Here's the thing. Here's the thing. One, I'm too old to fight like that. Two, if this was to go down, right, here's how it would actually happen.

I could box, like, box box, right? streetwise and like formally like I boat I got it in right but I wouldn't do that I was I'm trained in jiu jitsu and so I I really know jiu jitsu and so I I would not even box with you I would just I probably take you to the floor and choke you out please tell me area please tell me that you jiu jitsu where you'd crawl out of on your back like the crab walk that's well that's so that's what is the beautiful thing about jitzy right is like I'm very comfortable all my back. So I could literally had somebody rushing me and I can sit down real

calm and I'll win. I promise. I know. That's the funniest thing about Jiu-Jitsu is that like you have a lot of guys who will just like get on their back and be like, come on. I have a good back game. It's like it's very so there was a there was a I saw something that they were teaching a police

like a town's police that they were teaching them Jiu-Jitsu and so it was like what are they going to to crawl at dudes on their back? No, no, that's actually, they actually should. The reason why they should is because it teaches, it teaches you how to de-escalate a situation

in a way that's like, it's like violent, but it's not deadly. Like you can literally choke people out and not kill them. And you can, you can, so a lot of the times, like when cats are struggling on the floor and like, like Derek Chauvin for, or Chauvin or whatever his name is, for example, like he had his knee on, on George Floyd's neck. There's a, there's a very simple way to subdue somebody if you're trained in it.

I mean, I'm pretty sure he was trained. You might just be a piece of shit. I don't know, but there's a, there's an easier way to do it to de-escalate those situations where you could just hold people. You could just literally hold people when they can't get away. There's a whole bunch of fight compilation videos like on, on YouTube. When you look up, like, people who got in street fights who know jujitsu, and you can see just how calm they are on their face because you train every single day.

You train for this. And so people don't know what to do. They struggle and you're just like really calm. You know what you're doing. It actually would help our police. Polices a lot. Wasn't this, like, didn't Andrew Yang run on this? Like, I'm going to teach all the cops karate.

I have no idea about what injury. That's such a cool tagline for your campaign, though. Teach all the cops karate. You know who actually, so there was a guy who's currently running for New York City mayor, Curtis Sliwa, who had the New York Guardians, who, he trained them in the 80s when New York was just like a hellhole. He trained all these dudes in karate and they'd roam the subways just like vigilantes and they'd straight up do karate on people.

Yeah, I don't know if we need that, but there's got to be a middle ground there. It couldn't hurt. Actually, the elections, the day this comes out. So New York City mayoral vote. What are you voting for? I don't know. taught everyone karate sound pretty

Billy has had this tick percolating for about a year and a half he's like I think I think next week I'm going to endorse Curtis Sliwa but he doesn't know

anything about his politics I know a lot about his politics no you just know that he wears a beret and then he goes around like doing he actually knows

no one muggers no no he actually is like New York through and through he like actually give me a policy he's espousing

but you enjoy he's he literally he's New York he's I don't know If you heard that, Aaron, through and through it very, very good policy, very good legislation when you read it. I mean, his policy points is he wants to clean up New York and help. But he does it. He actually is on the ground.

There's like, no, there's tick. Like he's very, you know, he will walk the subway. He was like on the ground in New York City, like, try to help out situations in a very, like, non-polarizing way. Like, he actually like cares. I say, give me a policy, bro. Okay, I haven't read his. Fighting people on the street. What didn't you?

karate and he wants to clean up garbage what the fuck do you want for me man that's that's actually and he's actually got he's actually got some great stuff on you know homeless people and how to like helps like uh help a lot of these mentally disturbed individuals who have you know problems and help them get the help they need that's one of his big uh running points you don't have to be mayor to like do karate and ride the subway and protect people he's done that on his own without being there for a long time and from what it sounds like he's has he done a good job i'm hesitant to say anything positive or negative about this guy

because I really have no idea what I might be stepping into I just like a braises like a broke bat man he wears he's the guy wears the red beret he's the head of the guardian angels he's always on New York one

like he's just like always been a figure in New York politics Has anyone ever run for mayor of New York and not said like one of the first three things was they were going to clean up the streets like that's always New York's running like one of the tent polls is like I'm going to clean up

this goddamn city. This guy's act like, I like Curtis Leewell. We know. We know that. I think his biggest mistake was running as a Republican, though. He should have ran as an independent. Yeah, again, I don't know anything. You haven't enlightened us to his policies.

I think just as a general rule, even though we might disagree a lot on this podcast, I've come to realize this about politics. And that's that way too many people care about the people that are your politicians. They root for politicians and they root for their team and their people when in the end, I think we all want like the same results and a lot of a lot of the same policies. People should feel as dedicated to the policies that they want. They should feel 10 times more dedicated to the policies that they want than rooting for a guy that got elected that you, that you like feel some weird sports team like emotion for. And then when that guy fucks up and all of a sudden, you know, he's getting fired for sexual harassment, you can no longer identify as a quomo sexual. Like we should not ever put ourselves in that position where we hold any politician to up to a pedestal.

Because here's newsflash, you probably suck if you're running for politics. Chances are pretty high that you're just somebody that likes to be in the spotlight, likes to have power. You don't really care about stuff. People should take all the energy that they spend, that they waste rooting for politicians and said root for policies that they like. That's my, that's PFT's soapbox. I've talked to Barstall Trent about this a lot. Like it should almost be a league. Like the second you announce you're running, you're out.

You don't get it. You're done. You're too self-important. Like your ego is too inflated. Like you're not the guy for the job. There should almost be like a like Billy would want a team of like roving vigilantes who is like hand selecting people just based off of like good deeds and ideas that they have. the second you announce like oh i'd like to be president no you're not you're out

did you be selected yeah like people who are just like actually doing good in the world it's like hey you know what you need a bigger role in society who would you pick to do that right now that's a that's the problem with the plan you don't really i don't even know how you'd get to the point where we're like what kind of sky net type every every move every person makes like it's a real slippery slope I'll grant you that but it feels like it needs to be more merit-based than right now it's just like who talks better shit in 30 minutes that's how we're deciding

that's my issue of politics now is like one it's like extremely polarized and politics have always been polarized but now it's like being infused with social media so it's a it's personal it's much like rap right if you really really enjoy rap um Chances, like, well, if you like the core of it, like the poetry aspect of it or, and, you know, the nuance of the musicianship, right? Chances are, like, your kind of favorite artists aren't going to be, like, well known. They're going to be really underground because rap now is, like, it's a caricature, right? So, like, if you, you have to almost, like, characterize or caricaturize yourself and you have to kind of, like, perform an act, they have to have to be real animated. And that's like politics is like that now.

You have to create a persona and that persona has to meet, you know. And it's like, yo, just be boring. Like that's what I've really learned about policies these last couple years, anything. It's like the truth is boring. The truth is boring. Like COVID for instance, right? The data, you mull over it's fucking boring. But like that shit is never going to make any headline or any TikTok or any clip because it's just fucking boring.

And so you actually have to like pour into it. it and like nobody wants to do that so we like highlights and so we like highlighted people and highlighted things and it's slowly making us the dumbest smartest thing to ever walk the universe it's fucking fascinating to answer your question colette i would i would select joe biden i think he's the best person in the country to be leading us i think if you look at everything he's got going on that guy i think we can all agree joe biden is is the best we have to offer as an as a I big T agrees to I saw CNA yesterday

was was talking shit about his approval ratings when CNN is down bad saying that you're down bad as a Democrat that's a tough place to be Why can't Big T instead of just like Having to pile on CNN Why can't we all agree That CNN does not control what everybody believes?

See I feel like people people on the right tend to overestimate how much They have an agenda People on the left care about what CNN says well I didn't say anybody cares what CNN says I said they have an agenda to protect what news what news station does not have an agenda right there isn't one but correct so why so why single out CNN because I'm saying the agenda that they have even they have to be like shit like this guy well I will be I will this this might be a hot take but I will venture to say

nowhere in the rest of our lives will a president have a positive uh uh approval rating. That may be too. We just live in such a polarized state that there's no way you're going to get uniform consensus on somebody doing correct things, especially.

And presidents don't really do that. They just have so many moving parts to government. So it's like it's all performative and you score points politically like Ted Cruz or Marco Ruby. You score points politically when you oppose anything that the opposition does and vice versa, right?

Is it vice versa or vice or whatever? It's the same way on the other side. Anything anybody does on the right that you oppose, you score political points. So it's a lot of posturing. And so it just makes no point to like, and I'm not even a centrist, right? I'm as far left as you can get. But it's just I can see the polarization and how toxic it is. Like I like to have policy discussions, like actual policies, but not talking points, if that makes sense.

Listen, this is what we were talking about, well, I was and they were listening and nodding their heads. everything is it's just a bad faith argument countered by another bad faith argument and we're stuck in this like revolving door of just like well i have to counter your bad point with our bad point to make us look and it just never stops like we've never gotten off that carousel of bad faith argument on both sides yeah i feel like direct democracy might be might be the answer where it's just like everybody vote on policy the thing just cast or vote for it also But nobody, nobody reads the policy. That's a good point.

It's just, like this is, I think I've mentioned this before, but this was Socrates's critique on democracy. Socrates's critique was you can have democracy, but what you'll have is an un-informed public, then they're going to elect uninformed officials. And that's exactly here we are. There's probably a handful of people in Congress that really understand the issues like that.

I really believe that. Are you telling me that former Texas, Texas Tech and Auburn head coach Tommy Tuberville should not be a U.S. Senator? I'm not saying, I don't even know his politics, right? But if he's done his due diligence, that's fine. But if he does his due diligence and he has an opposite worldview,

I have my problems with Republicans. But I would venture to say the odds are he just did that because of his prowess, right? Because of his prestige and what he did before. um it's it out who surprised me if i sat down with him we had like policy discussions and he had some depth to him like i mean any senator would honestly yeah Tommy Tuberville i don't think he's a real policy wonk i think he's uh you know the man couldn't even win the big 12 i don't think he's going to be able to you know what the big story about him is right that uh his opponent

ran during his campaign ads was the story about how i think he was it was when he went from wherever to auburn maybe old miss to albair i i I think it was when he maybe went to Cincinnati. Yeah, it was when he was switching from one job to another. He was at dinner with a recruit, got the phone call that he got the other job and left the dinner with the recruit just sitting there. And I think if I remember the story correctly, he called him like the next day and was like, hey, do you want to come to Cincinnati now?

Jesus. Why wouldn't you just stay at the dinner and do like, hey, I still want you as a player. Exactly. It's not going to be at this school. Right. Avery's back. Avery just stepped into the studio. So Avery, what are your thoughts on Curtis Sliwa?

He's awesome. He's a legend. I love the guy. Do you know any of his policies? Because Billy wants to endorse him very badly, but he's still, he's struggling to name. Well, here's what we have so far. He wants to clean up the city. Yep.

He wants to make sure that the mentally challenged, no, people who have mental illness are taking care of in a compassionate way. Yeah. And karate. Those are the three platforms. I mean, he literally got back when New York, like the police couldn't do anything in like the 80s, he literally got a bunch of people and taught him all karate and had to patrol the subway. I like that. That's a man who loves New York. Do I want him to be mayor, though?

I don't know. He just by Eric Adams to be mayor. I don't know. I don't know. That's facts, Billy. I don't know much. He doesn't even live in the city. No, but I mean, Curtis also just recently got hit by a taxi.

three days ago what's what the beret it's he's a guardian angel what is he's been yeah he dresses really well he's been a guardian angel of the city for the past 30 years

wait am I missing something what is the beret it's the uniform it's the uniform of the karate people who are the guardian angel they're helping people karate okay here's what it is

here's what comes out to every major city in America has their guy that everybody knows is Curtis Sliwa that guy for New York he's like like the New York guy.

You don't have a guy. Curtis Sliwa is your guy. That's the New York guy. Who's the Harrisonburg, Virginia guy? Harrisonburg, that was Norm at Strictly Volvos. Everybody knows that. Yeah, but he was a corporate, he had like corporate interest. Norm?

Yeah. Absolutely not. No, he was, he was a Volvo repair guy. He wanted to sell everybody, he's a Volvo repair guy. He didn't sell, he didn't sell any volvos. He repaired them. He lost a leg due to the incompetence of the Rocking Memorial Hospital that failed to identify blood clot in his leg on two consecutive visits.

He was just a man that knew everybody, always looked out for your enormous Strictly Volvo's RIP. I'm pretty sure he's dead. Curtis Lee Wall just wanted to teach people karate. He's a guy that. Keep the subway sick. He's pretty sure he's dead. Isn't karate like a Chinese art?

Why is he wearing a French beret? Am I stupid? Just go with it. There's no. Boreys are not karate. Yeah, that doesn't make any sense. Doesn't matter. He's a man.

of many cultures. It portrays a sense of confidence. He's doing Sylvester's song cosplay is what he's doing. There is a correlation between politicians and berets. Like it means something. Like a lot of politicians were braids.

Fascists worldwide. Yeah, to a good point. Saddam was not all fascist, not all fascist. Saddam was a huge beret guy. Yeah, but Curtis, it's more of like I find Curtis is one of these people. Do you just find it entertaining?

Yeah. Yeah. But see, yo, to that point, though, bro. That is politics nowadays. But I actually think he cares. That is the bar though but that's the bar. Muffer just gonna be entertained. You don't know a fuck about his

policies. You said he wants to clean up the streets and a nigga has karate people patrol in the subway. I know but I rather, yeah, I rather have Curtis Sliwa as my mayor as opposed to just Bill de Blasio who kills groundhogs and everyone just hates. Everyone hates him. I don't know

enough about his groundhog. It's important that he dress as well. Because de Blasio looks like an idiot Whenever he puts stuff on Yeah, no, I know We're talking about, yeah De Blasio's a redsox movie I mean, that's not a lot about New York City

Yeah, I mean, we're probably boring our national audience With our inner New York City I used to think that When I would hear people in the media Talking about New York City all the time And now I live here And I want to talk about it

Because it's bullshit Yep What is it bullshit? Tennessee football The Constitution. Well, we've taken that out and pissed all over it at this point. Wait, I just got to the murder attempt part of his Wikipedia. No, no.

He was, he was, he was not a killer. They tried to kill him. Yep, dude. That's a misleading. That's a misleading Wikipedia subsection. Someone shot him several times. They tried to murder him. The mafia tried to kill him.

John Gotti. John Gotti won't try to kill Curtis Lee. Well, that's a man who's for years put his life on the line for New York City. Like, I want a fucking mayoral candidate with gunshot. Come on, Billy. That's fucking, I'm actually, I'm actually, endorse. I'll do it with you. Make him earn your endorsement.

No, he already has enough to go. I endorse. Bring him on a, bring him on a prior. I don't want to get too political. He was, um, he was awarded newsboy of the year when he was a news boy. He was a New York daily use. He was a paper boy. No, but it was newsboy of the year. He was invited to the White House after he saved several people from a burning building.

on a paper route. That's my guy. This sounds like, boss. No, this guy's big, you just don't know Kurt. You just don't know Kurt. It was also from high school. So big white flag.

This is like, this is like the mayorial candidate that you like write about in a comic book or something. So here we go. When it comes to recent politics, in September 2016, he launched a successful hostile takeover

of the Reform Party of New York state, the reason being because he hated Donald Trump, couldn't be a Republican. He's not a Trumper. Yeah, I know. He called Donald Trump a scruble and a crackpot. And then after Trump left office, he switched back to being a Republican after Donald Trump was no longer the face of the party. This guy's a, this guy's a wild card. He's a he's, he's the real version of, uh, you don't mess with the Zohan. He is. In 1992, Sliwa admitted that he and the Guardian Angels fake, heroic subway rescues for publicity. He also admitted to having claimed falsely that three off-duty transit police officers had

kidnapped him. Look, there wasn't social media back there. You got to get you part of the mob. You didn't know. Wait, okay, here we go. And he's been married four times, Alpha. In 2018, he married his longtime girlfriend. I mean, when you're, how old is he, 67?

When you're 67 and have a longtime girlfriend, that's pretty cool. and they live together in the Upper West Side with their mini rescue cats. Yeah, he's the only mayoral candidate that actually lives here. Yeah, I mean, look, and he, every people from all across the city respect him. He like, he, he actually, this is going to sound very cringy coming for me,

but he gets respect in every neighborhood. I love it. The Upper East Side and the Upper West Side. Yeah, he just walks around, everyone kisses the rain. They hand him like a fresh baked pie He just makes his way around Ted does the rounds If you look at his TikTok He I mean

I won't He's not gonna win Here's a great picture of him and his wife With four cats just crawling all over them I mean he seems like his heart's in the right place Again I don't know that much about the guy Outside of what we've discussed today His girlfriend is like 40 years younger than that's cool

He doesn't seem real because I he's real to me he was the he wants to add more to the police budget I'm awesome can I ask a question about this when am I allowed to vote in the mayoral um race I think you register here I can't yeah who are you gonna vote for where are you gonna pay taxes Maddie yeah well start paying New York taxes yeah I got to get a full-time job and then I'll pay New York taxes good question though big team make sure she's on your side before you tell her how yeah I want to see which way she's leaning before I yeah so wait shouldn't everybody thought you be able to vote, pick tea? Not just people that agree with you? Um, yeah, well, that's how the libs would have you do it. It's just, they want everyone to vote unless you're going to vote for a Republican. No, you, you just literally did that to Maddie. I did it on a comedy show.

They do it on CNN. Um, you know, the libs are incapable of comedy. Yeah, I know. Everywhere you turn on late night television. Yeah, you watch Anna Gadsby recently. I have not. No. This is another one of those things that like conservatives think that liberals

is like is their Bible CNN Liberals spend all day watching CNN Stephen Colbert Samantha Bee and Hannah Gatsby and if they don't say it

so I don't even know that much about Hannah Gatsby I don't know who that is Rachel Maddow Whoa yeah Rachel There's another one That's a whole other hour Remember we

Remember when she had Trump's tax returns And she waited 40 minutes into the show to show that he paid taxes Fucking hack I love Vixie Skr. It was very funny when she's like, okay, we've got his tax returns. Everybody tune in. Everyone in America watch.

You watch. She got you. Yeah, I did. And then she was like, and then she was like. And then this other time, a friend of his parked his boat next to a guy from Ukraine. And it's like, whoa. And actually the whole thing was that he paid like $8 million in taxes that year. All right.

Well, we can agree on a few things. Speaking of Trump, did you see him doing the chop at game four? It was an awkward chop. He looked robotic, but he looked very stoic, presidential. What does that mean? He just looked. He looked like he's ready. Do you think he's coming back?

Oh, he's coming back with a vengeance. He's going to run? Before 2024? Journalistic question, Big Tee. How many Let's Go Brandon's Chance were there at the game? There were a couple. I didn't partake. I've never seen anyone more in his element than Big T last night.

Listen, I would have loved to see that. Oh, my God. I drove from Nashville to Atlanta on call. I got to call at 12 o'clock. I was, they were like, we need you in Atlanta. And I showed up, saw Big T, Big T was crying. Big T almost was in tears that he was at the game. I wasn't in tears.

I, when we walked out and we saw the Grand Slam in the first inning, I was like, holy shit, like this is fucking so cool. They fucked that up. They fucked that up. Listen, that's why they make you win for. We're going to win. We're going to win. You sounded very optimistic right now.

Yeah, even when it was the Grand Slam, it was the first thing that grand slam would say, right? Yeah, but like being there. I, the, you got caught up in the emotion. You could literally feel it. I was like, there's no way we're going to lose this. Like, the energy was just, it was something I've never experienced before. It was truly, like, indescribable. And then like, what part of your, your conscience, your brain is telling you, like,

it's an Atlanta team with a 3-1 lead. Like, we really get to see that final out before we start high step in our corner. That's what I thought last series, because this exact same thing happened. we went up 3-1, Dodgers 1-game 5, and then we went out and kicked their assing game 6. I told Avery, like, you can quote me on this. It's kind of a, it's a no-lose situation for me because here's what's going to happen. We're either going to win the World Series or I'm just done forever. If we lose it, I'm out.

He said in the Uber on the way home, he said, if we lose a series, which is improbable, but if we do, I will never watch sports again. I'm just out. I'm done on all sports? I would still probably. watch UT but all professional sports dunzo dunzo really yeah even so falcons out oh i don't who gives a fuck about the falcons wow who would be in on the falcons they called me to go to atlanta yesterday when the falcons game was on i couldn't turn that shit off quick enough so all right so you've got you've got

like the entire fandom your fandom of the atlanta braves on the line at this point if they do this again they blow a three one lead which they're not going to we're winning the world series on tuesday Yeah. I've been on the receiving end of blowing a 3-1 lead in the World Series. It hurts. It hurts bad. Yeah, no, I can imagine. Well, MLB staged that with that rain delay. Cleveland would have won that World Series if Manfred didn't. Cleveland blew a 3-1 ALCS, too. Don't let them fool you. But they also finally got a title. Yeah, they also beat Golden State Warriors who blew a 3-1 lead. Also rigged, though, because of Draymond Green. Correct.

Yeah. Never free. I wish I knew more about baseball because it's real, like, I go to a lot of baseball games, but I just go there and just get lit and have no idea what's going on. Aryan baseball is actually really fun. That's pretty much all you need to do. I bet. I bet it is amazing.

I bet the players are cool. I bet there's a whole bunch of action. But if you just go with a really cool group of people and you drink and have a little cool section and everybody's good there, it's just good to have in the background. Like, wow, you're fucked up. Like that's a nice summer day. You're outside eating some good ballpark food. There's nothing better than a day game.

Like during a week, a weekday day game that you go to when you're supposed to be at work and you look around the ballpark and everybody else is also supposed to be at work. And it's beautiful outside. That's heaven. I love that shit. People like to argue that hockey is the best sport to watch live. And I completely disagree because of everything Aryan just said. baseball far and away is the best live sport

I don't even think it's close I think baseball is just like the easiest to enjoy and like no matter what the outcome of the game is even if you're not I'll put it this way if you're not a fan of whatever sport baseball is the best one to go to yeah I think I think this is it is I think the fans are so more laxed because if you lose it's like

there's a what is a 160 some games or something 162 games. So it's like if you lose one, you're expecting to lose a lot, actually. But like a football game, it's like everyone might determine the rest of your season. So like fans is in it and they pissed off. But like at baseball game,

it's just like, you know, let's just have it on in the background while we. I think it depends on what ballpark you're in, though. Because like Tropicana, Tropicana sucks. Like you don't want to be a talking about. Which one is Tampa?

They're not even going to exist in a few years. Yes, they're going to move to Montreal. I've been to. I've been to the Houston one, which is fire because I got a retractable dome. That shit crazy. That was dope. I've been to Dodger Stadium.

I've been to... I love Dodger Stadium. I never really understood why people love Dodger Stadium until I went there myself. It's beautiful. It's nice. It's nice. It's nice.

I'll check that out. Which neighborhood was that? I'm not sure the name of it. I don't... Okay. The semantics, but... Okay. I'll look into it.

I'm just... I'm talking about it. the ballpark though right no no yeah look look what they did to build i thought you could i mean if we're going to go down that road with sports teams i think nobody's hands are clean on that one right i don't know let's be honest what did what did he say i didn't hear what he said i tore down a Hispanic neighborhood in los angeles to build the dodger stadium i don't doubt it at all no i wouldn't doubt i don't know it's probably right that shit they put they put they that's how they did the 110 freeway as well.

They put it right through a neighborhood that knew they was going to bring the property value down. They did that shit all over the store. They did that shit all over the domain. I actually have a question for you, Aaron, about your Houston Texans. My Houston. Yeah, you're Houston Texans. That's interesting.

Big fan. If you're on this team right now, do you even, do you fake an injury? I would fake an injury so fast if I were on this team that has no chance of doing anything. It seems like it's a miserable place. to be they're trading away all your friends all the good players on the team are leaving i would just be like oh yeah um my my ankle hurts now you never you never figure injury and the reason is why is because it's even if the team is performing bad you could still perform well and that is an audition for either somewhere else or a payday somewhere and so you always put your best foot forward

that was always my my motto should we had a we had a season where we went six it's a six and ten season where I led the league in Russian, we went six and ten, they had no shot at the playoffs, but that shit helped me out majorly in my negotiation process. We also had a, when I was in my deal, we had, I think, a, I know we lost a whole bunch of game. I kind of stopped watching because I got injured, like, game eight, slipped the this in my back. But even we weren't very good. I think we were like two and something when I got injured, maybe three and something.

But I was still, I was still doing my best just because it's always, one, you're kind of proudful about what you do, but two, you, um, instead it's an audition to go somewhere else or it's an audition to get paid. So it's like, you never want, not in the NFL. It's, you, your chances. I mean, you only play 16 times, right? Or 17 now, but like, you only play a small amount of time. So it's better to put all your eggs in that basket, then I'm going to tank it for next year. That's not really a thing. I would just, I would just get so depressed in that locker room right now. It just, it seems. It seems. It seems. seems like a sad place to be. But I guess that's why if you're, if you have a good group of professionals around you, they're going to remain committed. But I don't know, from an outside looking in, I was saying the other day, you could pay me $5 million and I don't know if I would play for the Houston Texans right now. I guarantee you would. $5 million.

I don't know. I don't know what you make on. I don't know what the part of my take checks is like. 82,000 an episode before taxes. Who shit. Yeah. Yeah. No.

No. I don't know, man. I'm saying I wasn't doubt it, man. The funny part is, like, we've been saying for years, I think it's gone up, it was 50,000, then we started saying 75, now it's 82, might have to kick it up to the 90s. Because it started to hit, 50,000 started to hit. That's why I heard. Well, it's because it started to be reality. No, it's funny no more.

What's funny is that if you look at what Caller Daddy gets now, the podcast that was at Barstool, I think they still do some like some merch stuff. with us right now, but they're out on their own or Alex Cooper's out on her own right now. I think that she makes like $170,000 per episode legitimately. Jesus Christ. And so it makes what we joke

about actually seem like it's chump change compared to what the daddy gang is pulling. You up there though. Don't need to front. You up there. It's okay. I'm comfortable. I'm comfortable. Wear that shit. Wear that shit. I'm comfortable. You earn that shit. Y'all was grinding in vans.

and hassling the fucking all these memes. They could have had something better. Sure, sure, sure, sure, sure, sure, sure, sure, sure, sure, sure. But y'all was grinding, man. Y'all got, oh, that shit, it's all good, man. Big T, we live in the capitalist society. I love, yes, I love anybody that can get on a podcast. Hell yeah, fuck themselves and make a shit.

Hell yeah, fuck the workers, fuck that shit. The workers, they're the workers. Yeah, Big T, what about, what about Felix at Chapo? They're pretty left wing, but they, they, they, they, make good money on Patreon. I think they're the top Patreon out there. Anybody who can tap into a market that people are willing to pay for, that's awesome for you.

All right. But Billy, for the record, would play for the Houston Texans. I think for five million I would play for them for the rest of the year. I think anything below five million just seems like a hassle. And five ain't going to bring me out of retirement. No.

And while we were recording, your job got taken with the Titans. Yeah. Adrian Peterson. Oh, who they signed? AP. How old is Adrian Peterson? I love, listen, man.

He's going to be similar to you. Oh, man. He's older than me. I think he's thinking 36. 36, 36, 37? He is. No, I guarantee he's still in shape. I can guarantee that.

But it's just like, I'm like, listen, if you're a quarterback, it makes sense why you still playing a 36. Like, you don't want to get hit like that. Like, you maybe hit. you get hit big time in a game maybe eight times throughout the year right in practice they don't touch you training camp they don't touch you so you walking through life pretty fucking cool but as a running back who totes that thing who get 20 carries 15 carries a game you 36 year

why do you want to do this what why where do you love the maybe you do and maybe that's where i'm i've checked out there's no way i love it like that to be subjected to that pain. It hurts. I'm still in pain to this day. I don't understand it. What would be the perfect situation for you to come out of retirement though? Like there has to be something Oh yeah. Oh yeah. They said they said they said to talk to no no I couldn't even do that to tell you what because I ran back to back game. So I ran a whole day of ball Wednesday and a whole day of all Thursday. I was shot so no. What are you trying to prove? What are you trying to prove? My perfect. I was just trying to get back in shape. I told you I'm trying to tighten up

for the holidays, dog. I'm trying to get these Christmas ads. But, um, So it would be perfect if somebody was like, yo, we have a head coaching job for you. You don't have to audition for I'm out. I'm out there. That's the only way. So you would never play again, but you would coach? No, I ain't no way I'll play again. Where would you want to coach?

Anywhere. I could turn it. I could turn a place around. Would you be, would you like want to go be a position coach and then try to be a head coach or you'd only do it if it was a head coaching job first? Only head coach. Position coaches are peons and no disrespect to position coaching. They sounded a little disrespectful.

Okay, okay. Pianza is a bad term, but if they don't admit this, they're not honest with themselves. All position coaches are just stepping stones to eventually want to get to a head coach, right? And none of them have a, I'll take it back. It's very rare where a position coach has any power, any leverage in a, in a room. It's the head coach, and what he says goes. And a majority of position coaches don't make it to be head coaches. And what bothers me about position coaches is they'll just tow the company. any line without actually standing up for their guys.

So I guess that's where I have a little bit of disdain for position coaches because a lot of the times they'll just be company men and they'll just say whatever, just with the head coach wants. And it's like, bro, do you have any like, what's up with you? Like, like, stand on the table for us. You know what I mean? Like, yo, my guy's doing this. And I guess I guess that's where it's coming from.

You know, who used to do that in New England? Bill O'Brien. He used to do what? He would like speak against Belichick. He would tell Tom to like shut the fuck up. Like he was very, like Josh McDaniels is like. Like, I'll do whatever the fuck you say. He's bad at it.

And Bill O'Brien would be like, no, we're going to do it this way. I don't really care. And I like that. And I think that, like, I always say this. I think Bill O'Brien was a good offensive coach, though. I really think he was a very brilliant offensive mind. But he just got, he started suckling that power teat. And it just, his cup runneth over and it just went downhill.

But as far as they started micromanaging. But as far as, like, offensive scheme, like, he knows what he's doing. He's not a bad coach. I was standing, I would go to Graverdell. Let's talk about today's topic, which is Havana syndrome. Havana syndrome for the uninitiated. It's a, can we call it a phenomenon? I don't know what to call it just yet because it's an occurrence.

It's an occurrence. People aren't sure how real it is. Well, it's real. It's real because people are experiencing physical effects from it. We don't know what the cause of the physical effects are. But it started from United States diplomats, Department of State workers, and CIA employees who were stationed in Havana, Cuba, and they started to report that they were feeling various symptoms, headaches, ears ringing, nausea, irritable bowel syndrome, things like that. And initially it was reported that it was coming from some sort of sound device that was being directed at our, you know, Billy, it looks like you had a fact you wanted to interject. Well, there basically there was reports that a bunch of officials in Havana who were staying at the National Hotel, a bunch of different places in the embassy, came down with all these symptoms.

Some of them were concussion-like nausea, vomiting, and then they reported their symptoms. A lot of people came out of the woodwork with similar symptoms, including tourists who'd stay there before any of this that went down. they report hearing weird ringing noises reporting tinnitus uh how i said that right yep um but uh with it um they there's been many theories of what it could be microwave frequency someone's shooting some sort of sound beam or using some sort of frequency of ultrasound uh be it Russia China Cuba itself but this was huge during the Trump administration and there were some occurrences during the Obama administration. There's a debate is, is this just being drum up to sort of get support for national security?

But several people have hypothesized that it could be the sounds that they recorded, could have been crickets and cicadas are native to Cuba. But remember, those were just the recordings that they could hear at the time. Like, they went to look for the ringing sound that it could be and they recorded the cicadas. There's a lot of different stipulations. It occurred various times in Austria, in Ukraine. There were examples of it occurring on U.S. soil, but those weren't as confirmed. There were less instances. So there's basically, we don't know if, you know, some foreign entity or aliens is shooting U.S.

Stipanlats with ultrasound attack. I like that. Sprinkling the aliens in there. They did a study. So there was a study done, I think, at the University of Pennsylvania. And one of the people that was in charge of the study is also on the board for the NFL's concussion studies. He's like on the traumatic brain injury panel for the NFL. His name is Doug.

I didn't write down his last name. Didn't catch his last name. But Doug at the University of Pennsylvania, I think that's what he goes by. He's also working with NFL players to study their brains. And they did some research, actually, like medical experiments, medical tests on people who, reporting symptoms. And they said that they could identify in their brains that there was something neurological going on. So there was a physical condition that was being manifested through their brains. So it was, it was demonstrated. It was proven, according to Doug, that it was,

it's a real occurrence. Now, that doesn't necessarily mean that it's brought on by some sort of sound wave or microwave cannon that was directed at our embassy employees, it could be also in their minds because there are certain things that can happen to people where they get a psychogenic illness. And it is not something that's transmitted. But if one person says that they are experiencing something and they feel like symptoms that are really to vertigo and everybody around them is informed about this phenomenon that's happening and they're like, hey, beyond the lookout, which they did say they had meetings for the staff there and said, be on the lookout.

If you feel any symptoms along these lines, make sure to report it. People can placebo affect themselves into feeling these symptoms, too. The human brain is definitely more than capable of coming up. So it's a real thing that people are experiencing, but we don't know if it's really caused by a foreign agent or outside person slash alien, Billy, that's directing like a sound. Canada. Or Cuban Bigfoot. Or Cuban Bigfoot. It could be... Some people think that Castro, Che Guevara, they may have just been shaved bigfoot's causing communism. I don't hate that. That's why they had all the beard and stuff. They couldn't shave all of it. You mean Justin Trudeau's father? Right.

Was a big foot. Yeah, maybe. It's just a hypothesis. No, but there was something I was really interesting is that when they said there might have been brain damaged. They said they saw differences in white matter from what I can understand is how the brain communicates the different parts of the brain. of the people all studied they had variations in white matter but even though just because they had variations all those variations could be the same as random 40 people you picked out and examined their brains yeah go ahead and then another point was because they had this idea and this happened with a lot of like the opposite placebo effect if you tell someone that they may have gotten brain damage if they're experienced something like depression or some other sort of

of mental you walk into a room and you forget why you walked into the room you're like that must be the brain damage that's yeah and it reiterates yeah so it falls in a thing where everything that is unusual that happens to you you chalk it up to the brain yeah and then you get to recessive thought loops where you think that your brain is just damaged and you can't like it's a it's a very I was actually reading a lot about it because it was fascinated me and actually they think that's sort of the basis of like psychedelic that if you a lot of the since the psychedelics are marketed is these are supposed to repair your brain if you feel good after it happens you're like oh I'm free of all the you know baggage I had before and they don't that's

the one thing with psychedelic medicine research right now they don't know if like by claiming it heals your brain and then it may make you feel better after and you may be in a better headspace that that sort of accelerates healing it it but there's actual research but there's actual research that like it the the neuro the connectivity of the neurons it's a real physical property of it but are you talking are you talking about afterwards yeah the lingering effect is yeah oh since since I'm healed I'm healed yeah that kind of residual yeah it makes sense even though because it helps it might help this much but just the idea that it is helping causes this much progress.

It can extricate you from those recessive loops that you're talking about, yeah. I think people go through that with like mental health as well, right? If you're in a constant state of I'm depressed, you can throw yourself back into depression, which is very normal and I don't want to like minimize people's mental health, but it's one of the best things I've learned because I've been in deep depression and I have anxiety for some years now.

But some of the best things I do is just surround myself of this much positive things as I possibly can because that helps keep your mind out because your brain will take you there if you let it like every single time it will do it coley you experience vertigo right is it is that did i phrase that correct do you have vertico do you suffer from vertigo do you experience vertigo uh yeah experience is probably the more correct term to use like i've been okay ever since like i've been able to control it it used to be every day it's certainly not that anymore um i experienced it recently i can't remember what i was doing uh oh i was on top of the fucking green monster that's what i was doing uh didn't feel great up there um

but yeah other than that like walking into the office every day when we first got to new york i experienced it and that fucking sucked is there something in particular that sets it off is it all like a psychogenic thing or is it an inner ear issue yeah i'm pretty sure because i have tonight it's too like i definitely still have that and that is tied to uh effects of vertigo because that is they're both inner ear uh afflictions so i still have this and i just don't have the vertigo um i know people who've gotten concussions have had vertigo like brock holton the red sox missed almost a full season after getting it so it definitely can be not psychogenic i definitely think it's a physical affliction wait so your father was experimented on in the mk ultra experiment

You might be being experimented on in the Havana syndrome experiment. Yeah, I mean, I would love it. I would absolutely love it. Again, like, we say it a little later. Like, I think a lot of these people who want to say they have Havana syndrome, they feel special. I think that's a lot of what it is. They feel important enough to have someone else a high-ranking enemy think that they are important enough to cook their brain. Yeah.

I was doing some research into it and reading some of the interviews of people that claimed to have experienced it. And there was one guy in particular that started off his experience by saying, now, just so you guys know, I've been in war zones before. I'm a strong guy. I'm pretty athletic. And this stuff, I would much rather be shot than experience what's going on right now in my life. And to me, that tells me the fact that the guy had to preface it with saying all that stuff tells you that he probably believes that he is

worthy of being experimented on he's worthy of being targeted I'd have to push back on that okay push back because a lot of it is like when you're like if you're talking about mental like a mental challenge a lot of people

makes them feel weak like for example like Lane Johnson he just came out about how he was dealing with depression anxiety and like that's a guy who you know if you didn't like he says like I've dealt with some very hard physical challenges in my life, like, you know, this was so much

harder than that. It was sort of that sort of kind of he was trying to express that like this, this isn't something small, like something's actually wrong. I feel like, I feel like that sort of way of talking about it wasn't really braggadocious, but more like trying to show their stressors and that they're hurting in some sort of way. I think that's a false equivalency, not to push back on you, Billy, but I think that's a false equivalency, because that's a war with yourself talking about depression and stuff like that. That's not an outside factor like a different government trying to cook your brain. That's where it feels like the self-importance and not weakness. If you made a Venn diagram of people who think they have Havana

syndrome and people who think there are Russian bots responding to them, calling them a dumb ass when they say something stupid it'd be one circle okay so only the libs are being no i was going to say i think it's two circles that don't overlap at all no it's the self-importance that like oh i know i don't i don't think that's exactly i know what you're saying i don't think it's exactly correct though because if you if you were to be stationed in the united states embassy we have an embassy in havana now uh if you were to be stationed there and you experience anxiety which can be a very real thing that manifests itself in like demonstrably provable physical ways the first thing that would come to your mind would not be like oh i'm having a panic attack or oh i'm dealing with anxiety

it would be i think i have havana syndrome you would jump to that conclusion but say that to some like for example they had one uh there was a couple tourists who came forward who were in cuba and they left and they haven't they some of them claim they haven't been the same since like they've had neurological, like when you're dealing with something that is so unknown and so scary, because there was, but how, bro, how, how, how, how, how, how credible do you think are people are at self-diagnosed, uh, self-dagnosis? So there, there's this one guy, and I'll get into it later, uh, in the interview, but basically he had, uh, said that he basically was per, like partially paralyzed while in Cuba had to leave, went back to South Carolina to get all the

testing done. They couldn't figure out what it was, but they saw that his central nervous system, something was wrong. Like, there was various odd, like, I don't know, this, this is something. But was that, was that, was that, was that symptomatic throughout every, everybody who he was around in Cuba? Or was that just something that he experienced? It was the first example of someone sort of that they can find. It was 2014 having these symptoms that other people express. Well, that even lessens the credibility of it, because Because if it was, if it's a microwavable, you know, if it's a wave being transmitted to a group of people, or was it just him? I'm just saying, though, I don't think.

How do you isolate those microwaves? It just doesn't make a lot of, it just doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Because I've seen a lot, like, so like, you'll, I always refer back to COVID because it's like the most mass study thing right now, probably. But so like people who say the COVID vaccine doesn't work, but a COVID vaccine is causing health. defects, right? If there was no vaccine, health defects would happen regardless, right? So how much does that have to happen? How much those variables do you have to factor in? And like I don't want to get into vaccines right now. But so when you're dealing with something like this, how many, how many adverse effects of anything would they have had if it wasn't for them thinking that it

was this despicable meat brain cooker? Well, remember, but it might not be that. It might be something totally different that's affecting these individuals might not be this like radio wave frequency so they've they've checked out the sound the sound was identified as being crickets they checked out what's called the fray effect the fray effect is the idea that if you put if you direct like a certain microwave into the human brain it ripples like much like a wave if you if you tap one side and the output of having your brain ripple at this specific, what is it, vibration frequency will give you some of these symptoms. But if you would actually experience the fray effect, it would be debilitating to the point

where people could not function at all. So what they're experiencing is like a little bit less than what has been studied. Now, there hasn't been a lot of studies done on what a microwave. can do to human brain because obviously I think there's some some ethical implications in doing that as a study being like hey can you sit down while we just nuke your brain for a while you're going to end up with a lot of zombies maybe we can get some of those beagles big tea and that that'll be what we experiment on what what beagles oh fouchy's beagles oh the i'm not keeping up with his dogs i don't oh no the function oh i got you i got you no there was there were like two beagles

that got pictured some money from the united states uh was it the n s a idea or whatever went to like a uh ethically bad experiment that was going on with dogs overseas um but yeah so people are just now they're like yeah fouchy kills dogs probably uh do you actually being that fouch is evil yeah no i think an evil man why why why because he has led a response that has not only fuck this country up tremendously what do you what do you mean letter response be specific i mean he is the head of our response to coronavirus he's he's the guy okay so what give me specifics what he's what has he done as he's informed two presidents on what their their actions should be he has pretty we think he lied to congress a couple times about what gain of function research and what we

weren't and weren't doing. And what it, what did, has he been proven to, that was a lie? That's kind of on the record. Yeah, they, they came out. What, what was the lie? He said that we were in no way at all, uh, funding gain of function research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, which the National Institute of Health has since said isn't exactly true.

I think Fauci is actually like a prime example of people rooting for a guy and people rooting against the guy because of whatever political affiliation you have. I don't think that Fauci's done a perfect job at all. But I don't root like for Fauci. I don't root against Fauci. There are a lot of people who are in for Fauci. I think that you're a popular Halloween

costume. Bro, he's a fucking virology. I don't understand what you're expecting from. That's what I was trying to get to. I was trying to get to like what he actually did. Okay, he lied to Congress about funding. Like what actually actually done to that he does just stay at home for 15 days and it'll all

over. Stay on for 15 days. Well, actually, wear the mask. Wear the mask. You can do whatever you want. Like life will be normal. Just wear the mask for all. Okay, now we have a vaccine. Get the vaccine. Hang on. Hang on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Be honest. Yeah. Still got to wear the mask, though, with the vaccine. Be honest with me. B.T. Have you ever done any actual scientific research? Be honest. No. That's not my job. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. When people are in that field, right? When people are in that field, what they do is they were, and when you're dealing with a live virus that is actually happening, what they do is they report what they find when they find it, which is what they should do. They're giving you the information that they have

when it's readily available. So that's literally what science is. The reason why we're talking right now is because of science and our understanding of something has evolved. And to call it a lie, right? The lying to Congress about funding, I don't know shit about that. Could be, could not be. I haven't looked to that. But the line of Congress, or the line about the mask or the line about, it's just not, it's, it's out of context. I don't even know if it's lying. I think it's taking measures that are extremely unnecessary and overly preventative, which have caused a lot more damage. You're talking about, you're talking about unnecessary and you don't have the ability to equip, you're not equipped with the ability to discern what is or isn't necessary when

you're dealing with a virus that could possibly kill millions of people. I don't think it's very controversial to say that in many areas of this country, the response to coronavirus has been more than what it should be. Well, in others, it's been a lot less than it should have been. And they got fucked up. So it's, it's tough to find that I kind of, I, I, I don't know, I see a little bit of what Big T is saying in that if you're a remote community and back in March of 2020, like New York City went on lockdown. and you had to deal with the same measures that New York City did, it probably made people be like, what the fuck? Like, why do we have to do this right now?

I think that's kind of a natural response. I think it's irrational, actually. I think it's irrational. Yeah, because we didn't know what it was like that. Like, we didn't, I mean, we literally have diseases on records that have wiped out populations, right? And for years, right, in the scientific community, they've been, way back before any of this was a thing,

they've been talking about there's going to be a super bug. And this is bacterial. This isn't even viral, right? They're talking about there's going to be a super bug that is resistant to antibiotics. And so this still may be on the forefront, right? But they've been talking about this for a while about how there's going to be something come. There's going to be something that comes that we have to prepare for.

And if they don't know that, that's what that is. Or if they don't take the, it's better to be safe than sorry is the thing. So what I think about this can be. Boy, down from, I think what you're talking about, from last March to I'll give you July, whatever you want to say is fair game. Nobody knew what was going on. That's fine. Now it's 18 months later. We have a pretty good idea of what's going on, what the risks are. We have a vaccine readily available. When should things go back to completely normal? There's no such thing as that. Why? Okay. Okay. Okay. For example, like the MMR vaccine or the polio vaccine, right? When things go back to normal? Things go back to. normal was because we we we you can't go you kids can't go to school unless they get vaccinated with those with those specific vaccines right that it's it's normal because we took those precautions but you know we can't take those precautions now because it's so politicized that you think

a lot of people think fouchy's like this evil like trying to like it's just not the case all he's doing is saying this is what we think the best thing is to do and people disagree with it right And the people that disagree with it are, are usually not at, like, so I got a buddy who's a doctor, right? I was saying, like, who is Fauci? Like, he's like one of the main virologists in the, like he's like literally wrote the book. Like he's very good at what he does, right? And so for people to be like, he's a fucking evil, like, all this is just, it's just not evil is a loaded and bad word to use.

I think he's drunk with power. I have a question, and I've been thinking about this a lot regarding the vice. viruses. So remember we're talking about the polio vaccine. I don't think I'm I think the that polio has been wiped out in a vast majority of the world because right, but in a good amount of the world because the vaccine like I don't think we actually get the polio vaccine anymore. They gave the polio vaccine to the younger, the older generation wiped it out in certain communities. Because these vaccines don't work like those vaccines. They do work. they prevent people from dying isn't that sort of idea of creating a super bug sort of applicable because since the virus can still be passed from people who are vaccinated to other people are vaccinated aren't we now creating sort of we've given out so many vaccines that the virus is going to get stronger wasn't that kind of like what the delta variant was a little bit where it mutates in the unvaccinated it doesn't mutate in the vaccinated so it gets

stronger i don't i have no idea but like i don't yeah i don't know if it like how it in where i i'm saying this because this is more of a reason to get vaccinated if you're not because then it gets stronger because it passed through all these people who are vaccinated and then it hits an unvaccinated person and then it's gotten through the vaccine gauntlet now it's going to just like totally that's that's another reason why getting vaccinated is imperative but wouldn't that have been a better idea to just only like like like i don't know just like totally only vaccinated the super at risk people who would die from it?

Well, then everybody else. You're still coming contact. Yeah. Also, you can still get sick if you're vaccinated. It prevents you from dying. It usually prevents you from going to the ER, but you can still get really sick even if you're vaccinated. That still happens, like, especially with older people.

So, like, if I'm going to visit my parents or something like that, I would, I was not going to, like, be face-to-face in a room with them in an enclosed room and, like, hug them until I knew that. they were vaccinated because and even still then like i wanted to be shot up too yeah i'm just but yeah that's that's what i'm saying jacks the fouchy thing goes back to what i was saying earlier where people are rooting for like a guy uh as opposed to just rooting for an outcome together or rooting for like a policy together but i don't know anybody that's like go fouchy i just think people are like this is the this is the name me somebody brother who's like everything fouchy says

is correct it's just ridiculous it's it's it's a It's hyperbole. It's hyperbole. I think more people were in like the thick of it. Name me one. All the people were from my side of the event, people were just like, yo, this is the lead virologist in the country. He's put in this governmental position to advise this.

That's what he's doing. I don't know shit about verology. And neither does any of us, right? So Dr. Anthony Fauci fan club on Twitter has 68,000 followers. I would like to pretense this. with this fact, not fact, but the statement I'm about to make, I have not thoroughly research you will see later in this episode. I do more research on this and I want to make sure that you know that what I'm about to say is not entirely fact. And if you take this podcast

seriously for facts, don't. I'm trying to make... I got a quick question. The one thing I have against Fauci and I do trust his abilities of a doctor. He's Italian. uh no it's that like just like i've been looking at a lot of and this is everybody's guilty of this at that level of government look at where he has his like what stocks he owns and when he bought them okay just talk to me do know he owns a ton of the stocks of vaccine companies of like but that was that was trump's vaccine work i know i'm just saying i'm like if the guy's going to do vaccine mannates and he's the guy who's trying to push for this now does he own i just want to know if he's a lobbyist or he's an actual i don't i don't know anything about his stock holdings but

my question would be does send that link does he own mutual funds because he's of the age where he would be retiring he probably has a 401k and when you buy a mutual fund you buy the fund and you are invested technically in all those different stocks or does he own those individual stocks and is he individually trading stocks in like Pfizer and Johnson and Johnson, things like that. Because I think that's a pretty big difference because most Americans who have worked in the corporate world or worked in government for a while, they have a mutual fund that they're invested in that they do not control. Well, mutual funds, that's listed differently.

Like if you own a vanguard or something. Okay. But. So what is he, what is he invested in? Here, let me find it. how Fauci fueled America fooled America's in Newsweek today. I'll be with y'all in five minutes. Okay.

All right. Let's get back to Ivana syndrome. We'll check back in with Big T once he's done with his five minutes of research on the subject. But Havana syndrome, it's still up in the air, whether or not it's caused by a foreign agent. And everything that I've seen is people just being like, well, if it were to be caused by a foreign government, it would probably be Russia or China. But there's no evidence whatsoever. There's zero evidence that it's being done by Russia or China. It's purely speculation at this point and like where it's popped up and what we think

that they've been working on over the last like 20 years because we've been working on similar technology. But yeah, I feel like it's definitely being talked about a lot and it's being passed through a lot of corporate media from their contacts and the Defense Department and the CIA and the state department. and they're getting them to write about this. So it does have the feeling of we're getting ready to cook up whatever our next boogie monster is

because in America you always have to. The threat has to be there of having some sort of an escalation of conflict with another country because if it's not there, then the money dries up. The piggy bank starts running a little dry for defense contractors, for a sizable portion of our economy. If we don't have somebody, it's, you know, I hate to quote 1984 because I feel like Georgia Orwell is being like if you were to see the people that are using

his quotes nowadays, he'd be like, that's not what I meant whatsoever. You just say Big Brother and you win the argument. That's kind of how it goes these days. But Orwell in 1984, I remember it's been a while since I read, but he's, it was like, the phrase that they would say in the government would be like, we've always been at war with East, what is it? I forget now, Oceana, I forget the names of the countries. but it was always imperative that they had a conflict that was going in order to keep people scared

and keep people doing what they wanted to do. I kind of get the sense from this that, like, I'll put it this way. When we're not in some sort of an escalated conflict or when tensions aren't high with another country, Bond movies always suck. We have to have a good, like a good rivalry going on in order to make Bond movies believable. And that's a good, like, bellwether of like, where we're looking in the future, once a bond movie starts, like, taking on a different government as being the new bad guy, then that's kind of like where we're focusing our attention

nationally. This is the new country that you should be scared of. And we kind of encourage through society and through reports like the Havana syndrome, it's keeping us on her toes about Russia and China in a way that we probably wouldn't be thinking of that much if there weren't these reports in the news. I would like to apologize. I cannot find any good right now link that ties Anthony Fauci to any of the big pharmaceutical companies surrounding Okay. All right. Thank you for your.

Honestly, I would like to cut. Like, let's just cut that because... No, because I think it's very important what you just did. You made a mistake and you owned up to it. I think most people do not do anymore. I'd rather it stay in for that sole purpose. Yeah. Yeah.

But I would want to cut the first part because I don't want anyone to hear the first part and then not hear this part. Okay. That makes no sense. No. I don't know. I just,

because I feel like a dickhead. So usually I'm good at this. How about this? I just found it for Nancy Pelosi. Yeah. We're just, she is just a great stock trader, Billy.

She just, she gets lucky time and time again. That's another one where like, is anybody, does she have like a bunch of stands or people? Oh, yeah. Who, like, absolutely loves Nancy Pelosi? Remember when she like,

she did that little thing at Trumpa? and everybody's like wow mancy yeah yeah i remember that that was ridiculous people people just like identify things and their public servants that they they see themselves in and they're like oh she gets me she's about as much of a public servant as a fucking manhole cover out there they're saying she does an important job yeah yeah good point she holds an important job good she doesn't do it good point good point manhole covers are actually integral to the structure of our society. I once read this thing that, like, someone, a rumor went around that manhole covers are, like, worth like, $500 or like $1,000 each.

And there's just some guy stealing manhole covers and collecting them. Well, just because that's how much they cost to make doesn't mean that, like, those aren't coins. Like, if you have a collection of... Some guy was, like, trying to steal them and sell them. Yeah. A single manhole cover costs as much as $500. dollars she also has a beautiful beautiful house in san francisco good for wow she's no no poop on it nancy pelosi is just a uh like the the most talented stock trade of our generation it's like

warren buffett and nancy pelosi they can time the market all the time and sounds like she's just she's got an eye for real estate no no i i don't know i don't know anybody that like actually loves nancy pelosi i do love how people i know they exist big tea i do know they exist but he's right She has her fair share of stance, but you shouldn't be is what I'm saying. You should describe any major city as shit infested no matter like what, how prosperous it was in a given moment. Like people earlier this year were like, oh, look at what France is or Paris has descended into.

Paris has historically been known as a piece of trash. Like just trash on the streets, always, always. But now because of everything that's going on, it's like, oh, man, it's really gotten been bad. No, it hasn't. It's always been bad. Always. San Francisco, always. New York, always. Like this idea that it's gotten dirty and filled with homeless people. Like, yeah, that's just what it is. That's how it always has been. There's a, there is an app in San Francisco in San Francisco called Snapcrap where you can take pictures of poop on sidewalks and report it to the city. Yeah. The reason that didn't exist 20 years ago was because apps didn't exist. That's

the only difference. All right. How about this? How about Billy? Just record you doing a pre-disclamor where you say, attention, the fact I'm about to bring up will be proven false in a matter of minutes. But in order to maintain the integrity of this podcast, we're leaving it in. Again, this fact is about to be false. I'm actually on duck, duck go right now because I was using Google before. And I've, I've actually, I may have to reverse my reverse. Now, are you going to have to reverse this in five minutes?

I'm like, shit. How about this? How much do you say you haven't done sufficient research enough to speak on that? Just say that either way. That's okay. Doug Doug Go will show you the shit that Google won't though. Yeah.

They're hiding shit from you. Billy's actually in Fauci's bank account right now. Yeah. He's looking at all the dividends. I would like to pretense this with this fact, not fact, but the statement I'm about to make, I have not thoroughly researched. You will see later in this episode.

I do more research on this, and I want to make. sure that you know that what I'm about to say is not entirely fact. And if you take this podcast seriously for facts, don't. I'm trying to me. All right, that was a good disclaimer. And also can we also keep that part in later on in the episode? Yeah, we'll have it both times. Yeah, we'll have it both times. So you can see full transparency behind the scenes. This is how we do the dirty work on Macrodos. We should have a standard disclaimer that runs before every episode. yeah don't take any of this seriously yep i think that's a fair point um anybody have anything else on

havana syndrome i kind of think the cricket excuse reminds me of the pangolin excuse okay go on it's just it sounds like it's being like well they actually they recorded the sound and then they ran it through laboratories and they had experts in not only uh sound recordings but also those sounds insect experts. If you're like are we sure that if they played those sounds to people they're like that's the sound there could be another sound

that's buried inside there. But the noise that people were identifying with the Havana syndrome there have been enough people that have agreed that like experts in not only insects but experts and the sound that they

recorded was definitely insects. Yes. But it's like if you were sitting in a room like this right now and you suddenly heard that sound would you think it was crickets i don't know you know it's because like we know what cricket sounds like and then if we went outside and heard the sound and there was obviously like bushes and heard crickets we'd probably be like that that's cricket it might just be that the crickets in cub are built different and they they make you sick when you listen to them sometimes crickets do sneak into drain pipes yeah have you ever had that where there's a cricket in the pipes

Yeah, or in the duck work. Yeah, and you just can't get to them to kill them. It's really annoying. But I feel like you know that. But this is multiple, it's not like one cricket that they're hearing. It's like an entire chorus of crickets that are outside the embassy, rubbing their cute little legs together. So is, so is Havana syndrome qualified as mass hysteria? That's what they're saying.

I just think it could be. I just think the cricket is like an excuse to like sweep it under the wrong. Yeah, that's what I'm... Sweep what under the rug? Well, there's people who are showing obvious ailments. Like, it would make... Billy, but you have yet to show that those ailments are correlated. That's my thing. It's like there's not a lot of...

If you take any population, take them out, they're going to have similar symptoms of anything, one given thing. If I take 20,000... If I take 20,000 people out of fucking one group out of North Dakota, the other group, out of South Carolina like they're going to have some similar we're human beings we experience with the same I don't think what you have to do you have to draw the positive correlation between symptomatic issues of whatever radio frequency they're experiencing and the effects of that like you have to do that you have yet to do that you're just skeptical that I don't think they're getting laser beamed in the brain but I think something's happened okay so with the

cricket thing is it's not necessarily saying that the crickets are making people sick or whatever it's saying that we can almost disprove that it's the sound that people are hearing that is the cause of their illness. It still could be some sort of a microwave technology. It's not saying that it's not real because those are crickets. It's saying the sound is not what's causing it. The sound that people are saying that they hear, that they correlate with those symptoms, it's saying that they can prove that that sound is not what's causing the illness.

It still could be something besides that sound. that's doing it. But it could be mass hysteria. It could be, like we talked about episodes of mass hysteria on another episode, but it could be one of those where one person hears it, they identify it with something. Next thing you know, another person says, oh, yeah, I have that too. And then before you know it, it expands, enough people kind of agree with it that it becomes a real phenomenon.

So that's actually like a perfect example of what mass hysteria could be. man I would I would love I like to be swayed I just I just it doesn't sound convincing I want to hear more about too yeah I think I think it's interesting at least um Avery big T you guys got anything on this we want to we want to get to the interview with our Havana syndrome expert Felix before we get to Felix I want to talk to you guys about a sponsor credit karma if you feel overwhelmed when it comes to handling personal finances you aren't the only only one, credit karma is here to help you make those big calls with more confidence. If you want to make a big change, if you're thinking about home renovations, if you're paying down credit card bills, credit karma can help you find a loan that works for you. Feeling frustrated, if you've gotten rejected for a credit card or a personal loan, don't worry, it happens way too often. That's why credit karma is changing the way people find and apply for cards and loans.

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We welcome on a very special guest. You might know them as the co-host of Chapo Trapp House. You might know, are you Mr. Chapo? Who's Chapo? I would, this, one time like someone in my life was like your head chapo and i immediately uh deleted all her contact that was in my phone i moved i changed my locks i like told people that we both know that i like i told them to tell her i was dead because i felt like she was trying to yokea on us so i reject that smart you also

might know him as a new york times bestselling author was the chapo guide to revolution i read that a couple couple years ago at least uh i saw i looked at all the drawings there were funny and you might also know them as future what future barstool smoke show subject matter expert um i i think i'm like up there i think i mean like i'm i'm not like the best at finding smoke shows but the ones we already have i think i can i there's a lot of data for me to work through smoke show evaluator uh so you're also joining us today to talk about havana syndrome you know You're kind of an expert when it comes to just national security. You're a national security correspondent.

It's Felix from Chapel Trap House. He's By Your Logic on Twitter. You probably have read some of his tweets in the past. You've probably heard of him. Go subscribe to their podcast if you are into that sort of thing. And he's going to talk to us about Havana syndrome because we're having a debate today on whether or not Havana syndrome is real. I like to think that we can trust all our diplomats overseas.

That's kind of how I was raised. But you have definitely, you said you got your notes there. You've done more studying about it than we have. So why don't you just start out by telling us what is Havana syndrome? So in 2016, like late 2016, after Trump had already won, a group of State Department officials who were stationed in Havana in Cuba, started reporting symptoms of headaches, loss of balance, noise. symptoms that would be consistent with you could say ungenerously a hangover alcohol poisoning things like that and the thing really took steam when one of the diplomats said it had it had felt like he had been hit with a weapon and it just kind of picked up from there it had

momentum within the u.s security state because this was at a time when the trump administration wanted to uh roll back some of the obama initiatives of opening up towards cuba and you know for all the talk about trump's personal like of vladimir putin which i don't even think it's that remarkable because he seemed to like every guy he met he met he met president she once and he went this is a beautiful special man nicest person i've ever met i love him but of course you know he wasn't that didn't dictate policy in most places. You know, the Trump administration saw a massive increase in sanctions and aggressive posture towards Russia and towards China. And so this became something within the U.S. security state. I think the function of it was to get more liberal Obama

holdovers to stay on board with the Trump stuff with, you know, the idea being, okay, well, you may not personally like Trump, but we have, you know, Mattis running defense. We have, you know, we have a bunch of soberheaded people in there and we're going to increase sanctions for Russia. And, you know, look what, look what they're doing to us. They're, they're shooting mind waves at us. The consensus among the people who got quote unquote Havana syndrome for a while was that it was a microwave attack. But this is impossible because there are the Pentecost and Russia have tried to develop microwave crowd control devices

which are massive. You could not hide them anywhere and they do heat your skin from inside out and you wouldn't have uniform symptoms like you would hear. Is that the stuff that... I think we heard about that like, is that Lafayette Square Park back during the Black Lives Matter protest? Was there some reports that like some people, they felt their skin

heating up, that sort of thing? I yeah. I don't know how verified that was, but it wouldn't shock me. I mean, police have American police who are given military technology to just brutalize people. But again, you know, the symptoms those people described, if that's a microwave, it's completely different from what the people suffering from Havana syndrome described. So the, at first, didn't they say that it was like a sound attack? Like we used to hear back in the day about the CIA shooting like, they're blasting 12. Quisted sister and objectively awesome music at people that were taking hostages down in Central and South America. And that was like a technique to get them out. And then I think in this,

they initially said it was some sort of sound attack. And then they recorded the sound and scientists analyzed it. And it turns out it was literally crickets. It was just crickets chirping their wings. And I don't know. My whole position on this is I think people grow up and they join like they join the state department they join the cia and they think that they're going to be jason born they see their career as like okay this is going to be really exciting i'm going to go on overseas missions and they end up doing what most of us do at our jobs anyways which is just a shitload of paperwork and it's kind of boring and then one person gets sick and then they that person uh who may have done some reading in the past about this type of technology tells

their boss about it next thing you know their boss has a meeting with everybody. It's like, hey, be on the lookout because we've heard reports that they're blasting this like mind control technology into our offices. And then after that, everybody is on the lookout for it. So they show up for work like you said with a hangover or they just have, I don't know, a sinus headache one day. Like, oh, yeah, I've got the Havana syndrome too. So they're not intentionally like exaggerating what they're feeling. But if you tell people, okay, be on the lookout for this and they see themselves as being in a situation where they're like, I don't know, they think that they're spies and some of them are spies and they're

overseas. I think they're just humans like everybody else. And so they're way more inclined to be like, yeah, this is an attack on me personally. This is, this is an act of war. And they build it up into a big thing. And then everybody talks about it. And then they go to the usual suspects, I think, in the American media to get them to write up the reports. Because I mean, if, if I see a report in like the Washington Post that says, like CIA overseas offices, attacked by a military grade sound wave, I'm smashing that link so hard. I'm reading that every single time because it's interesting. It's fascinating. But I still really don't buy how true it is. And I don't know. How many people do you think have come down? Do you know what the

official number is? It's a few dozen people. And I think when you get into the dozens, like, I will, okay, I'll put it this way. At my most generous, I will allow that maybe one or two guys you know there's a bunch of ways you can make someone sick um and let's just say let's be very very generous and say okay uh you know um this guy wasn't hung over this guy didn't you know he isn't he doesn't just have food poisoning doesn't just have a weak stomach and like i don't know someone fucked with him someone put something in his food okay you could go from there and he's embarrassed to say that or he's a paranoiac and then you could get 10 then 20 then everyone's talking to each other because everyone in this general field

in both the diplomatic and intelligence core they that's I mean that's their water cooler talk I presume and you could you can definitely fool yourself into being sick I mean the other the other reading of it that I think is interesting is like a Mickbath reading that they they are these are college educated people who know what the CIA does know what they've done to all these countries and they are they are seeing blood on their hands in a way so they're like they're so guilty about what they do for a living that they feel sick maybe I like maybe I like that theory it's a little dramatic I do say

I will say I am like I'm broadly sympathetic to some of these guys because it's like we've all like you know everyone's taken two perk 30s and then the next day been like oh I was attacked by something was attacked by something that like made me itch a lot yeah exactly

yeah I woke up in the morning my belly was just covered in fingernail scratch and I was like well it's definitely not the cratum that I took last night I think it's I think I was abducted by somebody. Arian, you got anything for him? I was just saying,

everybody has not taken two perks and woke up like that. But I think I think it's just interesting the fact that I don't know, I think anytime humans collectively feel something,

it's more often than not just that. It's, it's because like, women can like actively develop pregnancy symptoms.

if if they think it's called pseudosaices where like their their breasts start to swell and they start to get tended like all like all real they missed their periods um if if they if they believe that they're pregnant this is a real thing and so i think i think it's like that with humans a lot of times i don't think like the brain is pretty powerful that like and and because they're so little cases i'm just highly i'm skeptical of everything in general this this sounds like some this sounds like some movie shit uh feel sorry i go ahead Oh, no, I was just saying, like, okay, if they, let's say like Russia or China has this, our military and our R&D budgets are 10, 20, 30, 40, 50 times bigger than those. You know, Russia is an economy of the size of fucking Texas. Why aren't there reports? Why don't we have this? Yeah, it's one of those things where it's like, it's like when people say the Russians stole the election. Okay, if a country that size, like that fucked up stole your election, it's game. Okay, you have to give it to them.

What was the point of the NSA and all this shit? If they have that weapon and we don't, there are no reports of that happening to bear spies. What was the defense budget for? What was the point of any of this? Yeah. I mean, honestly, like microwave technology, that sort of thing. I feel like I've been hearing about it for 30 years

that we are in the process of developing it. So it should be pretty open and shut for us to figure out if they're using the same weapon that we currently possess on them. I want to introduce you to Billy Football. I think you two are going to hit it all. off. Billy is an expert on a lot of things, mostly frogs, amphibian. Anything that's like in the amphibian realm, Billy knows like the back of his hand. So I'm interested to see where this conversation goes because I think Billy disagrees with you. Felix, I'm going to have to push

back on you on a couple of different fronts. Okay. No, not too, but what are your thoughts on the the incidences of Havana syndrome outside of Cuba? Because the ones isolated to Cuba could have those same sort of conclusions. It's mass psychogenic illness and these types of things. But there were some various incidents in Russia, and especially in Austria, where you had, you know, there was a count of Mark Vandruff, who served as a senior director for defense policy at the National Security Council. One of the most dramatic episodes involving a U.S. military officer stationed in a country with a large Russian presence. As the officer pulled his car into a busy intersection, he suddenly felt as though his head was going to explode. His two-year-old son

in a car seat in the back started screaming. I think there was a, there was a bunch of other incidences that happened outside of Cuba that were a little more sharper and to the point than just people having symptoms of, you know, uh, earl bowel syndrome or just like concussion type stuff. And it's, it's kind of, I think there is a little more to this because even the Biden administration, Kamala Harris, like, redirected most of, you know, her party because of reported these like Havana flu symptom types of attacks when they were visiting

she was departing. Annoy, yeah. Yeah, so that whole thing. I mean... Cancelling plans is awesome. I know, but, you know... Maybe she's an introvert. No, I hear what you're saying, Billy,

but at the same time, wouldn't you say that like all these different symptoms, you can just explain if somebody's feeling bad on any particular day, you're like, I've got Havana syndrome. True. I do think that the recordings that they had were definitely 100% those crickets and cicadas that were native to Cuba.

But I think there may be some other underlying reason. Maybe it's not criminal. And honestly, one of my theories is that because Cuba doesn't have access to the American pesticides and antibacterials because of the Cold War sort of schism and our products, like that we couldn't import or export different products to. Cuba, that there might be a totally different bacterial load in their water supply or food. Sure. Yeah. Billy, question about the guidance because there are also, you know, incidents in Arlington, Virginia, which is, you know, you can't throw a rock without hitting a guy who's at least

been a contractor for the CIA. And then the ellipse, which is on the national mall in D.C. in any of these incidents were electronics affected the guy who was driving the car with his son look his son's screaming because his dad you know is freaking out i think that like was his was the navigation system on his car fucked up anything happened to that no i mean our self did the car shut off there was no reported impact of stuff like wifi or you know other electronics in the area but it could be something you know it's definitely you could say it's psychogenic, but the thing is there was this one report of a tourist who was recorded to have visited Cuba, an American in 2014, before any of this was even,

his name was Chris Allen, and he was a 33-year-old businessman from South Carolina. He traveled to Havana for a weekend of sightseeing. He went through Mexico. This was before Obama opened up everything, and he was a well-dressed southerner who was traveling alone so he sort of why why is him being well dressed i don't know that's how he's described i'm picturing he's sursucker i'm just i'm imagining bollo time i'm just imagine he has a family values i'm just i'm just if you're like cuban if you're like cuban and you see like a well-dressed southern man like talking how they're gonna know he's southern because he has a southern accent

and they're just like oh yeah it's like a riverboat gambler yeah it's basically cam new is in Cuba but it definitely it gives them freaking flashbacks to like pre you know

back when the mafia was running casinos in Cuba and those were like the main clientele who come into Cuba so just like

pissed like they would be like he's absolutely a spy we hate this guy maybe hit him with something no but this guy basically so let this be a lesson

if you're going overseas dressed like an asshole yeah like really really slum it especially to form it former well current communist

countries. Anyway, so he checks into his room, ends up getting, you know, weird neurological symptoms. His central nervous system was acting up. They determined when he returned to South Carolina and got testing done on himself. You know, he talked to friends and family about this. And then three years later, Havana syndrome comes up and he then goes to the government's like, I think I've also occurred, this occurred to me. And he was one of many tourists who reported. symptoms that are associated with what he had and what the government officials had before Havana syndrome and it was recording hospital records, they unrevealed HIPAA on this. So, Billy, like, if you, if you was to survey, right, South Dakota and asked them for

those symptoms, like just random South Dakotaans, I don't even if that's what they are, but if you were just survey, but how many do you think it would report that they had similar symptoms probably a couple and there'd probably be ways to check if you know but i i think there might be a little merit to some of this stuff coming out of it but the reason it is to why it's sketchy really also i don't think we can also rule out like you just talked about americans haven't been going to cuba for a long time americans still go to mexico and can't drink the fucking water yeah so you think we can go to this place where we haven't been in decades and there's nothing that And there's no, like you were saying, parasites.

I'm just saying my biggest problem, too, with like this giant microwave beam. I don't know how they're getting it so precise. Like you would see hundreds of people in like a busy Russian square. Also getting knocked out by this microwave. Yeah. My question is that more of my argument is that I do not think is solely like a psychogenic mass hysteria scenario. It's like one guy could have gotten murked by it. But then he told the others.

And now everybody else sees that guy. and they're like, oh, I have it too. Plus, let's not underestimate the idea because I think this cuts across anybody's job and any sort of like socioeconomic, like any income range. If your boss at a job comes down with a mysterious illness, you're probably going to get that illness too because you're going to want some time off work. I don't care if you work in a CIA building. If you wake up one morning and you have a headache,

you're going to be like, yeah, I should probably take the next couple days off. I got the Vannis Syndrome too. I just more think that if it was just isolated to Cuba and occurrences in Cuba and sort of it was a group of one office building, it would be, yeah, 100% one office building, psychogenic. And then maybe after that happening, other places just having isolated incidents on the timeline that it all occurred after that first one. It could be psychogenic. But is there any, like, specific symptoms, like, or specific, um, occurrences around it, like the electricity being affected or whatever case may be? Is there any specific isolated that has happened consistently throughout all the reports?

I can't pronounce this word. It's one of those words that I will not be able to pronounce, but tinnitus tinnitus. Tinnitus. Tinnitus. Yeah, ringing in the years. You can get, most people probably have tinnitus from AirPods now. You know what I mean? like it's like so much of this is hard to pin down exactly and okay you brought up austria

you know which has it's very close to russia in proximity how come there haven't been a million ukrainians who have reported these symptoms wouldn't they wouldn't they way wouldn't it be way more pertinent to the russians to use this on ukrainians than like just some replaceable shith head in the cia and his son yeah chesh yeah there's a lot of places that i i feel like russia would go for first we have i think we have a feeling in the the U.S., or at least some of us do, where we think that Putin sits around all day just thinking about us. We think that we're rent-free.

Yeah, we're rent-free in Putin's head right now. And, like, he's like, okay, I'm going to, what am I going to do from 8 till noon? I'm going to think about how to fuck with their newest hashtag. That's, that's trending right now on Twitter. I think that's just a worldwide thing, actually. Like, I think America thinks everybody, everywhere, just thinks, how do I get to America? Because it's the greatest thing in the way. And then you go other places and you're like, I don't really fuck with you all.

like it. That's pretty funny. Yeah, they got their own shit. They have their own shit. Yeah, but I think like maybe, maybe this could be what happens to Americans when we spend like two weeks not eating corn syrup. We're just like physically addicted to that and like GMO, like whatever Monsanto is putting in the water, like just SSRI run off from tap water and we're away from it for two weeks and it's like, oh, I'm dying. And it's just what everyone felt like before like 1959. Yeah, we really missed an opportunity right when, when the quarantine hit a year and half ago to really experiment on ourselves as a nation and just be like, okay, for the next two weeks, we're all going to stay inside. Let's pay everybody $4,000 to not leave their house.

But the stipulation is that, like you said, don't drink any soda and smoke a pack of cigarettes a day and see how you feel at the end of it. Like, let's get fucking weird with it. Actually, that would have been pretty genius if they offered bonus stimulus if you part participate in studies. Yeah. Why didn't we do that? Any stimulus. That would have been sick.

That would be nice. Anything beyond like good luck and try to scam PPP. Right. The Havana syndrome's got two things working for it. Incredible name. Branding is, is A1. Like Havana syndrome, the second you hear, Cuba still has some of that like communist fear in people for some reason.

um so havana syndrome's great it also just feels almost like it it reminds me of like when anthrax hit people were like oh that's going to be in your mail tomorrow every package you get is going to be a brick of anthrax and it almost felt like like you were like a chosen one to get havana syndrome like you got to be special to get like regular people aren't getting this you got to be like you're you pores aren't getting anthrax in the mail it's only for for the top level whole CIA guys. And now it's the same thing with Ivana syndrome. I don't think either of them exist. Anthrax definitely did exist. It did exist, but not like how they were talking about how it was like anthrax was supposed to shut shit down. And it didn't. It was, well, I mean,

if it was just like one or two dudes, it was a little operating system, like, yeah, I mean, how many mailboxes can they reach? And plus the half of the U.S. don't even check me. I don't check my mail at all. No, you, you do the last person. Yeah, I got another fucking notice, by the way, though. Did they write your note? I would like say it. Yeah, they wrote another note, like another note. Just check your mail, please, for the love of God, Aaron. There's like all these autograph requests from from little five-year-olds who think that you're a hero. Who have Savannah syndrome.

I throw those away, by the way. It's creepy to me, bro. Because like if I respond to that, like, one, how did you get my address? Two, but if I responded to that, I'm setting the precedent that if you send something anonymously, I'm going to send it right back. And now you know, I know where I live. Like, I'm cool for that. Yeah, the adult mail autograph seekers. are some of the weirdest people on the planet.

The guys that, like, immediately resell them, just guys that, like, could never, would never be allowed in your home for longer than five minutes at a time. Just the strangest human beings on Earth. They're, like, the Jehovah's Witness of card signing. Yeah. Are there a lot of those guys, like, guys who will just show up at your doorstep? Oh, my God.

I don't know about doorstep. I never got it at that, but it's like anywhere you go, if you go somewhere, especially if you travel with the team or something like that, they'll be on, they'll be on-site with 40 pictures, And they'll just, they'll just, they'll just look like this. And they'll pick up. Hey, can you sign this, man? You could, you could, you can personalize them. This is for my nephew.

Like, you're a fucking liar, bro. You're going to restart this. So, wash that shit off. You're going to start this shit. Those are the guys we need to shoot the microwaves at. Every team should have a microwave. They can blast those guys. Yeah.

Spray in the crowd. Hit the innocent babies. You know, it's all good. There was one time I was in Northern Virginia and I was driving past. It was the vice president's motorcade. It was Dick Cheney at the time. And so I was going one way on a two lane. road, he was going the other way straight at me. And I was on the phone and my cell phone

literally just shut off right as his limo drove past me. So I know that we have, that's the pinch, right? Aaron's giving me this look. I know that look, Aaron. You're like, that's cap. You just say that's cap. Tell me it's cap. I'm not going to say, you definitely had that experience. I'm just what is the benefit of Dick Cheney driving by and shutting down having a big EMT blast bubble around him? Like, what is it benefit? He's got a piece. filmmaker, Aaron. Any sort of electronics could make his heart explode. Actually, that would make sense because a lot of people set off bombs

by using cell phones. Yeah. And also the most that's true. And the most important reason why he would do it, why a lot of those guys do anything, because he can. Because it's like, yeah, because it's like, fuck you. Yeah, I'm going to turn off every cell phone within 50 meters of me because it's

like funny. Was anybody in the car with you? My brother, yeah. Did he have a cell phone? Uh, I don't, I don't know if he did. This was like probably 2002. Oh, it were cell phones were like, yeah, he was the man if you had a cell phone. Yeah, we shared, so we shared a nopia. It had snake.

That even lessens your case, though, because calls dropped like a motherfucker back then. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I think that's exactly what happened. And I think that Felix is right where it's like, yeah, I would, I would love to do that. Actually, that would be a great technology to sell to athletes who are. going out to like a restaurant or a club maybe you're doing some johnny manzel type activities in

the bathroom shut down everybody's cell phone when they're around you don't end up on tmz the next day urban that would there would be like a mystique around celebrities again we've seen celebrities do too much stuff you know we we know everything there has to be some mystery there has to be some withholding it's like how trump's like when trump is posting every day people you have a when you remember things you smooth everything out uh it's why people say in autobiography is just what you choose to remember we everyone remembers like oh he was so funny on twitter but they forget the fact that 70% of his posts were like about you know lowering capital gains tax like usual republican bullshit and the funny stuff there'd be a funny thing every week but there was a lot

of stuff in between that so now that he's just doing press releases you only get the hits you only get stuff like John McCain had the longest funeral in history. Right. Right. I only remember the like, we're going to get you out of prison ASAP, ASAP. Like, that's the shit. When I look back on the show presidency, that's, I'm going to remember that week so fondly. I don't, I don't remember the stuff.

I'm going to remember him like complaining about NBC Nightly News's ratings, you know, that type of shit. That's the stuff that I miss out of the guy. But when, like, with celebrities is the same. way. When you see like everything they've ever done, there's like seven different angles of them doing it. You have a different input on them every day. It's just, you know, it's not as cool. And that's, we're always making new celebrities because it's like, okay, we did everything with the old one. Let's have like a new guy. But the, you know, it would be more sustainable if celebrities just had the MP device. And yeah, it would fuck up some people with pacemakers. But, you know, there's risks that we accept every day. to live our lives. Yeah, it truly, I think that the, the good outweighs the bad for sure when it comes to, when it comes to that, like, yeah, okay, sacrifice 16 people a year so that I don't

have to see, like, John Mayer accidentally, like, you know, he's grabbing a girl's butt. She said she was 18. He turns out that she's 16. Like, I don't need to see all that stuff, you know, like, it makes me feel bad when I, I get inundated with all the bullshit with the celebrities that used to, there used to be an editorial process when he came to the paparazzi. Now there's no editorial process. It's just like whatever they send us

we're going to post. It's like the old Barstool Sports before Coley took over editing the website. No. Thanks. Anybody have anything else for Felix? We good? Big T. You got anything?

I think we solved it. We like solved Havana syndrome. Everyone, all those diplomats can like go home or go back to Cuba, whatever they want. I don't really That's really up to them. Russia can keep doing its thing. Cuba, as always, keep on rocking. Yeah.

Keep on, you know. Keep on rocking in the quasi-free world. Who is really free at the end of the day? Yeah. If you were to like power rank Cubans for how free they are right now, what are we looking at? Are they like a top, are they a top 25% most free country, top 50? It's tough.

I mean, like, okay, so they don't have to worry about going to the doctor. They drive very old cars, though. That is the thing about them. You, if you wanted Mountain Dew Zero, you would have to be like, you would have to have the most juice out of anyone in Cuba. Yeah. Like, you would, you would have to be the coolest guy in the fucking country to get Mountain Dew Zero. To me. I probably puts them somewhere near the middle.

Yeah. To me, that's what it's all about. Like, how quickly can you get your hands on a new flavor of game. iterate and flame and hot Cheetos and if it's easy if it's like less than five-minute chore then that's a place I could I could see myself living the lemon flavor the lemon flavor hot Cheetos yep yeah limon yeah I guess it's definitely are the French is that little cheetah French I assume that's Spanish Chester it's the white as possible name they there's no way for an African animal yeah I'm not Chester Chester

Chester could be one of those Argentinians whose grandfather mysteriously showed up from a European country around 1945. We saw it of Venice syndrome and Chester Chito. Yep. Fucking impressive.

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The good news is tonight, game six. It's championship time, Big T. Facts. I think I'm going to try to make it out to New Jersey. You're going to watch the game on a live stream? That's my understanding. Okay. I'm going to try to make it out.

I'm going to try to be there to support you. I appreciate that. I want you to win. I'm rooting for you. Do you have any hats that would fit me? I've got some adjustable ones, yeah. Okay. Some adjustable ones.

That's probably for the best. I need to snap those things. I've got a nice one for you. A nice 70s retro. Okay. I was bummed, man. When I saw, just like Big T. upset made me up. set. Yeah. It killed me inside. But we went to Waffle House after and it sucked

because, yep. Waffle House fucked us, bro. Waffle House fucked us. Take out only at the Waffle house and we stood there for an hour waiting on our order and then we had to go eat it in the tiny fucking fouchy. Fucking Fouchy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. It's because they didn't want to fucking clean. What'd you get, would you, what's your order at Waffle House? All Star Special smothered covered and scattered. Ooh. Yeah. So last night I just got a couple waffles and some bacon. he was fed up um yeah i did get a fib though you you want to know something in this country you can't find mr pibb anywhere it's good and it's good it's good it's good shit because it's no you don't like pib it's it's it's fake dr pipp no it's better yeah i think it's about that's about

that's about that's about i would have hung up on you in real life what's the difference between mr pib and pib extra i think they did a rebrand yeah they just renamed it mr pib versus is Pib Extra. Let's see. I believe I had a Pib Extra. I think that's what it is. You know what I love doing is seeing the different generic versions of soft drinks that they have at like a Walmart or Dr. Thunder.

Dr. Thunder. Mountain Lion is another one. I love those fake names. Can't get enough of them. Pib isn't fake though. Pib's not fake. No. It is.

It's a knockoff. Dr. Pibb, what do you mean? Oh, they added cinnamon to it. Love that. Which gives it a bolder flavor. That's why Mr. Pib is now called Pib Extra for Extra for Extra. flavoring.

Well, what about a Kirkland light? What's that? Kirkland light beer. Oh, I haven't had that. Yeah. It's actually pretty decent. They sell good vodka at their liquor stores. Their vodka, I think, is, I've heard people say it's like better than Greygoose.

I don't know if that's true or not. But I've heard people say, many people are saying. I mean, it's no Coors Light, no matter what. That's true. It was, Pib Extra, formerly known as Mr. Pibb was originally called PEPO to compete. it against Dr. Pepper, but the name was changed to Mr. Pib after Dr. Pepper sued Coca-Cola for trademark infringement. What about that?

What about that? You like not going to do you. No, it's a Coke product. It's the gold standard. All right. Let's get to some voicemails. Okay. What's up, guys?

Big fan of the show. My name's Pat. I'm from Delaware. So my question is, it's probably going to be a little bit more received by Billy but my question is if you could pick three animals to combine together to form a new animal what three animals would you take from and what parts would you take from them to make your new animal thanks guys big fan of the pod hope you like the question all right that's a great question for Billy I do I do like that question we're going to go polar bear

but you have to say what parts of the polar bear full body gigantic wings yep good call i was i was about to roast you i was ready to pounce on billy if he took a polar bear body and didn't give it wings so it could also fly gigantic waterproof wings from an aquatic bird that has big wings so this bear can actually fly all right so maybe like an albatross i still don't think that would be strong enough to lift a polar bear gigantic gigantic albatross Okay, got it. Yep. What else?

We need a third. Something to wrap it up. Give it something cool. What about? Sorry, I don't want to tell you how to do your job. It's definitely his animals, man. He's bugging right now.

It's got a tail or something with utility. Mm-hmm. What about like a kangaroo's legs for jumping? I was thinking gills. I was thinking gills with polar bear or pretty good swimmers. poison oh you know what whales lungs okay good call so it can dive yeah real deep you're like all-terrain vehicle yeah dominate land underwater in the sky yeah it's perfect ultimate predator i don't think i don't think any of us can really touch that we can try i was going to

say i would combine a puma a mountain line and a cougar same thing yeah all into one uh uh i would I would combine a orca, right? It would be an orca. Definitely would have wings that could carry it. There's what I could fly in the sky. And then phalanjis, hands. Hmm. Like real, real hands, like human hands, but like orca size.

That would be probably the most amazing animal ever. I like that. That's smart to include a human part, like a human hand or a human brain in one of these animals could be pretty cool actually i might have to change mine up so i know i said whale lungs this fucking guy what if it was like orca body but instead of fins uh on the the side fins polar bear legs and arms right add the polar bear fur around but sort of bulk of the body work ahead and tail and then gigantic wings oh so it's got wings and polar bear arms don't you think that if it if it didn't have the fins it couldn't swim that

well though yeah but if it had the back tail okay the dorsal the dorsal wait dorsal is on top right yeah you still have the dorsal oh and you've got the tail yeah and then polar bear they that's that's decent for swimming got the claws yeah yeah that's pretty dope all right good choice big team um i'm doing just with two animals because i don't uh i find three to be superfluous I want this is all to scale. You can either scale one down or the other up. I don't care, but I want the head of a tiger on the body of a bald eagle. That's pretty cool.

I like it. I like that, yeah. Pretty on brand for you, too, the bald eagle. Yeah, that was the first. That was always going to be in there. Yeah. In the heart of Trump. Good question.

Thank you. Okay, ready for that? Is Pat from Delaware? Thank you, Pat. Thank you, Pat. Okay. Hey, what's going on, macro dosing? This is Phil from Indiana.

I got two would you rather's. First, would you rather have it be public knowledge that JFK or 9-11 was an inside job? Then second, would you rather have it be public knowledge that the U.S. government has been in contact with aliens or that the moon landings have all been false? I'll sit back and listen. Have a good one. Okay, good questions. What was the first one? JFK or 9-11, which-

I think I'm saying which would you rather have known that was an inside job. Publicly disclosed that it was an inside job or that the government was behind the assassination, which, by the way, Biden just extended the classification on all the JFK files because there hasn't been enough time to disclose or excuse me to redact the names of, of certain entities that would be in the interest of national security to remain hidden. It's been 77 years. Isn't everyone dead? That just still means they're up to tricks.

It does mean, yep, they're still at it. Hang on. How long ago you think JFK got shot? I was sorry, I'm bad at math. It's a 70 years? 1963, right? November of 1963. So it's been like, 58.

Sorry. It's close. No, he was close. No, we weren't that far out. I was off by 20. Yeah, Big T's right. I was off. 58. I know when it was. I'm just bad at math. It was November 11th. Yeah.

1963. Oh, it's like coming up. Yeah. Darren Revelle let you know. I'm sure he will. I would I would rather know the JFK thing. I think if like if we knew that like George W. Bush personally planted thermite in the Twin Towers society as a whole. I think it would crumb. It would just crumble. That's why the people who believe that truly believe it are pussies for not doing anything about it. Because if you truly believe, that the government killed, like, what, 3,000 people? And led to an invasion of war? Yeah, and led to a 20-year conflict in Afghanistan, which led to almost a 20-year conflict in Iraq, which led to ISIS.

And if you actually think that George Bush, like, planted bombs in those buildings himself, then you're a pussy if you haven't done anything about it. Well, I bet a bunch of people have that just got locked up. Probably. And I don't want what I say to be construed as, like, do it. do it what are you going to do stab me um but you know what i'm saying right like i think that people just like to believe that they know something that everybody else doesn't know but i yeah but i still i remain convinced that lee harvey oswald did not act alone that's one conspiracy i truly

believe in who would you've acted with uh a lot of people the cia the mafia was involved russia was involved we need to do a lot a lot of players george h w bush was was a little bit closer to that whole thing than a lot of people know about and then obviously like Ted Cruz's dad personally shot him. I feel like if

JFK was fake I think it's like if one it's like what came first yeah no I see I there's some threads that you could pull if you knew what was really going on behind JFK

dude I was probably the wild shit that Trump said though he said a lot of wild shit but he said Ted Cruz's pops killed JFK man Like that's wild He's strongly implied That his dad killed him

I don't think he ever He doesn't have a Zodiac killer He's also the Zodiac killer So Apple doesn't fall far Strongly implied that Ted Cruz's dad Was involved in the assassination Of JFK

Which who knows I think if 9-11 If it came out that 9-11 Was an inside job I think America as we know It would just cease to exist Yeah When y'all say that

Like what would happen I think that's the one thing As a country that people can't politicize or one of the... No, I've personally seen people politicize it. Like, yeah, 9-11

and then, you know, there's like a bunch of American flags and there's a counter-protest about, well, what about all the Iraqis who died? Okay, yeah, but it... I think that's not necessarily political. Those are just...

Yeah, that's not... They end up getting political and just like anti-e each other even though it's like, both are true we should just yeah i guess what i mean is like it's not like the right or the left i think i'm saying it comes out obviously everybody is pissed about it and then what happens i think that at some point the military would be forced to recognize the fact that there are certain elements in the united states government that actually broke all the laws committed mass murder and there

would be some serious chain of command issues a lot of ex-military a lot of law enforcement the militias that we keep hearing about they would do some shit there was something I saw some I actually think people would go would take to the streets I think that people would protest from the left and from the right

in mass and they would shut down cities it would take so long for us to figure out what was fact and what was oh there would be tons of misinformation I mean think about how we dealt with the pandemic if we nobody cares about facts yeah like it would be like oh no this is true no it's not this is

but I think in this scenario it's like you are laid out and it's like this is the this is actually what happened in this perfect world we have the exact facts and you can't do anything about it I don't think that would be a situation like how even if there was a video of let's say like White House

recordings of George Bush putting yeah then I feel like half the country would be like it's there was faked or the recording was fake it's not a real recording yeah I don't know how would we be able to verify that yeah if in this scenario Like, if Jen Sack, or what's her name, Jen Sackie, Saki, the White House press secretary, came out and was like, hey, guys, 9-11 was an inside job.

Like, I don't think half the country would believe her. But why would you not believe, why would you not believe the government coming out and being like, we fucked up? I think, I think that if there was sufficient proof that it happened, I think people would be freak out. Pretty pissed off. Senator Tom Cotton's going, there's a virus in China that's killing people. people at a high range spreading and then have like he was like the first person but 9-11 happened already right well COVID happened and like we still didn't get to the bottom of it when that happened right but there's been such a one we're not current 9-11 isn't like currently happening anymore

but it would be a current event if it would 100% it would but with cotton being like there's a virus that's spreading in he's not in China that's like foreshadowed are we going to like take to the streets against China like this is like somebody admitting a crime. Well, he was saying that we needed to like start doing severe lockdowns like shut down the border and everything. I don't know what that has to do with the 9-11 stuff though. Well, like how we react to something, like information

coming and we don't know if it's true or not. Right, right. That's what I'm saying. If it came from like an undeniable source, if George W. Bush was like, yeah, I did this. Is there an undeniable source? George W. Bush would be a pretty big one. He was like, here's what I did. And Dick Cheney's like, yeah, yeah. But hypothetically, if he got to that point, he'd probably be... Shot dead or snuffed or made to say, oh, that was a fake.

Dick Cheney would shoot his face off. That was a deep fake. Don't throw a halibur another box. Dick Cheney would take him hunting. Yeah. By the way, I just, I finished my rewatch of the Sopranos recently. And the scene where Junior Soprano is pinning a letter to Dick Cheney was vice president at the time, being like, as a person who has accidentally shot somebody close to you, I hope you can relate to the journey that I've been on

and to all the hardships that I've faced. He thought that Dick Cheney was going to part him and get him out of jail. It was great. It was a very funny scene. I just think since 9-11 is so far in the past compared to COVID and with that Tom Cotton's thing, it was like something that hasn't happened yet to America.

We don't know what COVID is going to have the impact on us and as a government in a country in 20 years. But we know what 9-11 is. Now, Fauci came out was like, yeah, I personally, I flew over America and a crop duster and just sprayed COVID on all you guys. Then I think you'd see a similar type of response from people. I'm pretty sure all those COVID stands that we're, or all the Fauci stands that Big T was talking about earlier would probably turn on them. They are COVID stands. They root for the virus.

Who's rooting for the virus? People who want to keep shit shut down. Who? All right. Let's go to the next voicemail. Okay. And then what was the other? What?

the other hypothetical was the moon landing or moon landing or aliens or aliens aliens aliens aliens yeah aliens I hope aliens are real moon landing would finding out the moon landing was like actually fake would suck that would suck but I think

aliens would be more important I would I wouldn't even care much I don't even care of much I know but it just would shatter your core as like an American like damn like we're not actually that sick no no we wouldn't wouldn't care yeah I don't think it would affect me that that I would feel like a dumb ass for talking so much shit to moon landing

truthers in the past I'd be like I have a lot of people that I A lot of dumb people I need to apologize to That's a blow to my ego Okay Here is the last voicemail Hey what's up my name's Max from Minnesota Sorry

Last voice on is a little odd I had to pull my phone down Minnesota is no hands safe for a cell phone But I had a couple questions for y'all just want to know what do you guys think is the sliding doors moment that had you end up where you are you know not even specifically at barstool but just kind of in life in general for example billy you know obviously graduated college but took a job at bar still you know what made you do that or arian you know pursue a football career secondly I love to interview with brickness

I think you guys can have more people on that specialize in the field or the topic you guys are talking about that was awesome I'm always wondering those same questions I love as you guys ask those for the general people like us and we kind of get to hear a little inside scoop on that everyone's beautiful Aryan you're gorgeous

and Maddie you're also gorgeous have a good one thanks Good voicemail I fucking love that guy Max from Minnesota shout to Max from Minnesota he left a second voice mail he had to hang up in the halfway through

because he was like hey tell him tell him to leave an Addy and I'm going to I'm going to buy him one of them little car phone mounts because he said he couldn't I'm gonna get it's on me tell him tell him tell him tell him to him and see if he'll do that I'm gonna get him a phone mount um yeah he like there was like a voice number for it and it was like oh oh and it was like the cops come taken away his liberty man can't use a cell phone with his hands anymore in this country man can't smoke cigarettes in a infant ward ridiculous it's absolutely with this country was built on tobacco 100% um um

Who wants to go first on this one? I know mine. I'm not sure the sliding door moment, like, to where I'm at right now. Yeah. I think the slated door moment to where I'm at right now would be growing up was really, just really, really, really poor. And the first time I played football, I was just like leaps and bounds better than everybody around me. You know, it was very prevalent that this is what I like to do, and this is what I was probably really good at. And so that was the moment.

It was like probably when I first stepped on the field and got the ball of my hands and was just like out maneuvering everybody. And they were older than me because I played. I was six years old and I was playing with all the seven-year-olds. There was no six-year-olds. And so they were older. And that's not a wide gap when you get older. But like when you're young, it's like a big gap.

And so that was my moment. It was kind of culmination. Me being like really broke and then me being that much better than everybody around. Knowing that you got it. Yeah. I had a sauce. I had a sauce as a kid. Billy

I had to look up what sliding doors moment Me too I'd never know Wow Seemingly inconsequential moments that nothing less Nonetheless

alter the trajectory of future events Right so I haven't seen the movie But I've seen the commercial A lot And so I know what the movie is about Sliding Doors is a movie of I think it was a woman

Who is trying to get onto a subway train She gets on the subway train She goes home finds her husband cheating on her, her life goes haywire. In another instance, she doesn't get on that train. The door slides shut in front of her as she's trying to get on. She never finds out that her husband's cheating on her. Her life takes entirely different paths just based on the fact that she was one second

earlier for that train and got on it. That's what the sliding door moment is. Damn. Like, is there a moment in your life where you did something that set the rest of the trajectory down a certain line? Cool. Yeah, I got a big one. So my whole life never really was, you know, ever thought I'd be in any sort of media, comedy, you know, what would you say we do here? That's a perfect way to put it. Yeah. You know, what do we do here? I've never thought I'd ever be sort of crazy to say this, but sort of.

Say the F word. A well-known figure. Just say famous. Oh, Bill. Billy famous. Dude, I mean, it's like... He is. People are dressing up for Asimus for Halloween. I mean, honestly, that, I mean, I'm not the type of person to sort of be like, I'm sick.

People are dressing up with me. It kind of freaks me out, to be honest. But basically, I was fan a part of my take. I saw a tweet from Hank saying we're looking for interns, sent my resume because I was preparing a resume just for internships after high school, like to get a summer internship somewhere uh sent it is like a like just because i was sending it literally everywhere and i was like oh shit like pardon my takes i'll send it um then ended up coming in for getting offered to go for an interview i literally just went because i wanted to meet uh big cat pft and hank and get a picture with them and leave but then i actually ended up getting the job and that

This is the cutest shit I've ever heard, no, but that it was kind of like, I was 18 and, you know, I was just going to work construction that summer. And all my buddies were like, I was like, dude, it's like, I got this job, bro. And they were all like, dude, you can't work, like, because I was going to work construction with all my friends. Like last summer before, we all went to college. So it was like supposed to be like our like last summer because we worked construction like four years like previous. It was like a time. And I was like, guys, like, I don't know what to do. Like I want to work with you guys.

one more summer and they're like no man like you have to go work for part of my take that's goodwill hunting that's a plot of good good bill hunting it's like no you're billy i can't sit around and let you do this to your career you got to go man i hope one day i knock on the door and you don't answer i didn't know what i didn't know what the internship was even like going to be i just showed up and i had no idea what the job description like what i was going to do here still don't yeah still don't y'all should make a a mini docu-series about about this moment this is a big moment for Marshall's

I mean the thing is I just sort of I'm just riding the wave right now I really don't know where this is

going I don't know you know I have no I have no what's going on I'm just that's a

pretty big sliding doors moment yeah the power move by PFT bringing you on this pod

too kind of giving you your own like he's trying he's trying to give you wings

that's another sliding doors moments because Billy wasn't supposed to be on this pod right

at first it was going to be me Avery Arian Big T and then

I was talking to the guys on part of my take before we recorded our first episode, Billy heard about it and was like, wait, can I be on it? And so then I was like, yeah, that's perfect, great. Billy's been an integral part of this pocket. It wouldn't be the same without him. It wouldn't be the same without you. It wouldn't. That's

another good sliding doors. Also, the real sliding doors moment about Billy's application process was he included a link to his high school football highlights on his resume. Of course, he did him. And so that's what made him stand out and we were like, we like this kid. But he didn't do it to like try to

flex or anything he was just like and then you and also this is pretty sweet like i played high school football and it was pretty good i was i did spice up my resume for i'm sure there were hundreds of lies on the resume hundreds a lot of facts a lot of facts uh that's a good slide indoors moment i would say mine would be um in college i didn't really know what i was going to do didn't really have any drive in one way or another i did like writing i knew that but i wasn't focused on it or anything um i thought that I had some comedic writing ability, but it wasn't ever an avenue that I really focused on or tried my hand at. And I was, as usual, taking my time signing up for next semester's classes because I'm a procrastinator and I'm lazy and I had no drive whatsoever

in college. And after the deadline was already overdue for me to sign up for classes, a friend told me about a comedy writing class at James Madison taught by Inman Majors, and I tried to apply for his class. It was filled, didn't get in, sent him an email, explained why I wanted to take the class. I was like, if there's any way that you could find one more seat for me in this class, I would absolutely love it. I would dedicate myself to it. It's something that the first class that I'm genuinely excited to take in college, he wrote me back, said that he would make room for me in the class. I got in. I took it very seriously. He's an awesome teacher, very funny guy, great dude. And the assignments in that class were like, okay, you have to write a

comedy paper about this, this, this and this. And it gave me kind of a direction. It gave me the drive. And through his help and feedback, it helped me kind of figure out the fact that I wanted to do that as a living if it was possible. And then after that point, I teamed up with some my old friends from high school and college, Pat, Will, Wes, and Mark and Colin, all the hard factor guys started writing comedy with them and together the group of us we got um we got kind of like honed the craft a little bit i want to say some of it was really bad some of it was good but um that that whole year really set my life on this trajectory whereas if i didn't get into that class i don't i have no idea what i would be doing for i'd probably i don't know be selling software

still or selling news dogs or who knows maybe teaching PE i thought i wanted to teach PE that was that was what going to my junior year of college I was like I think that's what I want to do that seems pretty sweet so yeah things things turned different from that point now you get 90 racks episode man good on you 90 racks that's right anybody else I have one I found barstool

or I found yeah like any of this I was on Facebook scrolling like you know how when you watch videos like just suggested ones come up after and one of the suggested ones was a pizza review randomly and I was like oh this is kind of funny I was like why is this guy like making me laugh about eating a random slice of pizza that's not one bite he took he took several he took more than one bite and so then I found I didn't even know who Dave was or barstow was I thought it was just some guy on on Facebook eating pizza every day and then I found out that he you know

runs this place called barstool then I really got into that was like 2017 that I really got into watching like the old school varsal videos like the Renaissance Fair like the combines all of those got obsessed with KFC in part of my take you're still so young like 2017 was your sliding doors moment I know and then um I like got obsessed with them I was like how do I work here how do people actually work here and you guys were still in HQ too and there was like 20 people at work there and then I saw Dave's blog that was like the uncle Sam about vice royce and i changed my major from finance so i could be a better candidate for the vice right program then got in and randomly got selected i still don't know how but i just watched

facebook videos for a bit too long one night and i'm scrolling on your phones people yeah i fell asleep like every night i used i have to fall asleep with like something playing i fell asleep to a pizza review like pretty much every night for like five months because i was like these are so funny to me i watched like every single one all right that was my sliding door moment i fought asleep to avatar big tea um i guess mine would be the summer of 2016 it was after my freshman year of college my buddy and i put a video online of a song we wrote that's when saturdays or for the boys was a big thing and it was to the tune of cheerleader by Omi and Dave saw it and thought it was funny

and we went on the rundown and then not to flex we were on one of the first episodes of part of my take like one of the first 10 maybe we came on y'all's show and did we wrote another song about Harambe yeah so really your your Sliding Doors moment might be like Harambe getting shot harambe did did do numbers for us

And so then Dave saw that too. And I just had his phone number from like having him have reached out to me. And when Madeline said the thing about the viceroy's, I saw that also. And I didn't know any better. I just texted Dave. I was like, hey, don't let anybody like interview for that for the University of Tennessee. I want it. And he was like, knowing now, he didn't give a shit.

He was like, fine, whatever. And so I did that and then got an internship here and then I've worked here for a couple years. All right. You wouldn't say that your Sling Doors moment is switching your allegiance between Georgia and Tennessee? No, because I was never a UGA fan. I had a teacher in kindergarten who made her entire class bark like dogs. And my mom, I guess at some point, bought me a UGA hoodie that I wore when I was six. And then you guys have somehow.

I have to delete Instagram comments now because people are, oh, VUBD. You don't have to delete them. No, yeah, I do. No, that's my space. You don't get to invade my space like that. All right, Avery, what you got? Do you got a sliding doors moment? Yeah, I would say COVID was my sliding doors moment because when COVID happened,

I was doing some things for Barstall, but not my. I was a viceroy, and then I graduated March, which was early. And then two months later when, or three, however many months it was until Sirius came back. When Sirius came back, Mikey, our audio guy, was like, we need people. to produce because we're low and i live close so i came in it was literally me uh it was me colby and zah in the booth and then you know the yak and the dozen and that was really it i'm serious so i got close with all you guys and then uh and then i met caleb and i started doing stuff for him and then i met you i mean the dozen the dynamic of the dozen actually changed

very fast when i started doing it and then it and then serious ended and literally the day serious ended you were like I got this idea for this podcast we should do it so that was yeah COVID is my sliding doors moment crazy crazy yep arian do you have one oh yeah his was just football you're listening mad he had the sauce moments areas I had the sauce was saying it was just a generational talent like we're talking about like working here he he was running the football at the Braves game last night somebody said to me that they were a big fan of macrodosing and I said thank you and one of his friends was I they started talking about the show and he goes bro you should have heard um Aryan they asked him like what his favorite thing

he ever did on the football field was and he looked at him he said made 40 million dollars that's great answer it is great answer this truth though are we got anything else no we good buy tickets to the live show tickets to live show November 16th yep lucky jacks it's gonna be lit it's going to I might be selling some NFT sketches at the show then they're not NFTs you're just selling

drawings I might just oxen them off that you call them NFTs and I think that adds value to them Big T going to be selling you sketches coloring sketches

That's a FT that's a fungible token Billy's going to be the first ever sell FTs Billy FT Yeah Billy FT All right

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