Macrodosing: Arian Foster and PFT Commenter - How Did The Industrial Revolution Impact AI?

Episode Date: August 10, 2023

On today’s episode PFT is back (he missed the crew) and the guys get into the Industrial Revolution with an interview with journalist, producer, and author, Brian Merchant. They discuss technology, AI, luddites, how the industrial revolution has led to and affected our current technology and much more. Topics: (00:12:32) Sports (00:20:22) What color is a tennis ball? (00:24:42) Keyboards (00:39:56) USWNT (00:49:15) Dave Bought Back Barstool (00:58:02) Arian’s Fantasy FB Team (01:02:45) Industrial Revolution (01:21:21) Brian Merchant (02:20:05) VoicemailsYou can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/macrodosing

Hey, macrodosing listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. I just had a crazy flashback about the letter C in a book about Sesame Street where Elmo was on a chocolate chip cookie boat, and the cookie monster came, and he was looking for the letter C. wait I need to find this your brain needs to be studied are you high no I just drank a lot of green tea I feel like Billy's high

I just drank a lot of green tea PFT I just applied for the GM role for part of my take I love that. That would actually, that'd be very funny. Can I, is that something I can post? Yeah, it's funny. Memes actually applied too.

But as a joke. This is also a joke. Oh, sure, definitely. What if we hired you, Billy? Would you take the job? Would I have to move? No. But then I'll take it 100% of action.

So it's not a joke. Yeah, I take it. you just confirmed it wasn't a joke right there if you actually would give it to me i'd 100% do it and i'd are we recording this mad dog okay good just that's how we're going to start billy applied for the part of my take gym job as a bit but then completely seriously yeah what would your first order of operations be like what would you do day one uh just tell you guys laissez-faire so nothing

so yeah so you just said you just want a paycheck and you just want to say okay I'm just not going to work no if you guys like actually wanted me to do stuff I'd do it but I wouldn't tell you to do anything okay he will be at your service

I actually think Billy I think should be trying to be the cool boss I kind of want to hire you there's no pay no absolutely no pay like I just do it just so you someone else doesn't do it and tell you to do things okay is there a listed salary range for that position billy i'll i'll be your representation you're getting kind of ripped off here in this deal i'm i'm i'm i'm i'm i'm i wouldn't advise you to do this all right

i mean we'll see what happens we'll see after the resume gets in but you know who knows okay I'll follow up with Hank for you. All right, welcome back to macrodosing. I did not quit this podcast, contrary to numerous false reports that were put out there by certain people last week. I'm back, back in studio. We got Big T in Chicago,

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I missed you guys. I did miss you guys. I really did. My week wasn't the same without talking to you. I kind of missed you more. I haven't seen you a long time. In almost a week. I think that's the longest.

That we've ever been apart? Not talking. Yeah. Yeah, this long-distance relationship with Billy. I don't know if it's going to work out between us, Billy. I mean there's a lot of people There's a lot of bros walking around this office And I'm looking at them

And we're having some connections We're having some moments You know, I am but a man I need bros And you're not here broing me to my face I'm going to get my bro job somewhere else I think Mickey smokes might take over Yeah

For Billy Yeah Nikki Nicky Nick would fill Billy's shoes nicely I think What? Yeah Sorry Billy I'll fight him

I'll fight him rough and rowdies next Friday. Billy wants to fight out of him. If he looks at you. If he looks at you in the wrong way, Billy, you know that? You've promised ass kick to, like, five different employees. I will dole out all five over the next five rough and rowdies. What we should do is, Billy, you should just be fighting five times, like a ladder. Like, it's Mortal Kombat.

You have to defeat five of your opponents. I think I could do five opponents and five. five of the opponents I talked about with no training I think I could do it within a 10 day block no it's got to be one night it has to be one night if you gave me two months training maybe who would you start with out of all the asses that you've that you've well let's just go max Dana and nicky smokes who would you start with I'd start with Nikki smokes okay then I'd go to max and then I'd finish off with Dana.

Wow. I don't know who that's disrespectful to, but it's disrespectful to somebody. Yeah. It's actually very, it's disrespectful to Dana and Max. It is. Well, I just, I've never seen Nikki Smokes in person. He might, he might be like, know how to box. All right.

So if he, honestly, it would be amazing. It would be good for his entrance if he just took some licks next Friday, Rough and Rowdy, the first Rough and Rowdy that's going to be streamed on YouTube. it would be a great way to kick off, like, be a company man and step in the ring on YouTube, get a little, little pay for getting a little work. If he kicks my ass, then that's my fault. Billy, I think I could kick your ass if you put me third in that lineup. Sure. If you've just done two fights, I think I could beat you.

I mean, hey, we'll have to get Devlin to set it up. Yeah, I'm not doing rough and ratty. Unless I'm my money on Billy vote. I got my money on Billy, okay? Billy can fight. Billy can fight. Oscar Delahoya confirmed that. That was, that's such a wild sentence.

Right, right hook. Yeah, you got him with the right hook on the temple. That's what, but how are you guys doing? How's Chicago? It's good. It's good. I'm going to Ireland this weekend, going to Donnie's wedding. That's going to be, that's going to be a blast.

I've noticed that every time I, I, I, I've noticed that every time I, I, I, I, hang out with Donnie outside the country. It's always on a crazy long plane flight and then I'm only there for two days. Donnie and I have to schedule a longer trip together somewhere because we went to Hong Kong. I was there for like 36 hours. I went to Qatar. I was there for like 48 hours and now I'm going to Ireland and I'm going to be there for like 40 hours. Just to be clear, not a vacation. Not a vacation in Ireland. The destination wedding, not a vacation. I'm glad you brought that up, Big T, because it is an island. Technically, yeah. So I'm, it is an island, yeah, taking a trip to the islands.

It's also a Barstall event. So, yeah, no, it's not a vacation. It's a work trip. It's not a vacation. Well, I'm trying to find a kilt somewhere here in Chicago because I want to wear a kilt to that can't be that hard on Friday. Used or new? Preferably used? I feel like, no, I want a new quilt. Why would I want a used kill? Because there's probably so many guys not using. their kilts now this time of year like just walk into like any firehouse or police station there's definitely a bagpiper

who's like yeah use my kilt for this weekend yeah it's not kilt season right now it is not kilt season I feel like summer would be the most kilt season that there is is hot March March the air flowing

and that colder no but that's when St. Patrick's why once you wear a kilt where it's hotter I think actually Oh Where do bag pipes I said his last podcast But my only experience with Chicago

Was when I went there And they had the river They turned a river green Because it's the same patches of day So I'm sure you can find a kilt somewhere There's a place called the Irish shop In Oak Park Okay

If you want to venture out that way I might I might do it I'm gonna wear a kilt when I play golf On Friday with Donnie Never worn a kilt before. Y'all playing golf?

Yeah, we're playing golf. I want to play golf in Ireland. I want to do that. That's like the motherland of golf, ain't it? Scotland, I think. Or is that Scotland, Ireland? Aaron, if you went to Ireland to play golf, would you classify that as a vacation? You said what?

If you went to Ireland to play golf, what would you call that? A trip to Ireland. Okay. I'm not missing any work. oh you're trying to say he's uh yeah yeah it's vacation why why are you reluctant to say it's a vacation it's not a vacation it's a trip to ireland for a wedding going to my friends play to like go to the motherland at golf no i'm i'm i'm going to ireland to help launch donnie on his lifetime destination voyage of love and i'm being in it are you in the wedding i'm at the

wedding you ain't even in it rest definitely vacation bro i'm at the wedding just there it's a trip of honor yeah listen when your boy gets married you want to you want to send him off with all the best wishes you want to be there for him i know erin you don't respect the marriage that's the thing you're you're a big bad whoa whoa why you come out of the corner with nothing because i because i know you're i know your thoughts about marriage you would be in the front row standing up being like pre-nup pre-up i reject his marriage Does anybody have a qualms? Well, hold on.

No, I would never do that. I would be disrespectful to everybody there. Hold on. Let's get this clear. Hold on. Let's get this clear. If my boy comes up and tells me I'm getting married and I know my boy that has money or is going to get money, it is my responsibility as a man to tell that man, you better

get a pre-up because if we look at the stats, majority of marriages don't last. Maybe just under the majority, but I would say close to the majority of marriages don't last. And that's okay. You know what I'm saying? I don't believe in the sanctity of marriage as far as like, I don't believe, like getting married under the God of that. That shit don't mean nothing to me.

You're right. But if two people love each other, then we're spending on each other, I respect that. And I respect that decision. You know what I mean? But if you're going to Ireland and you just end the wedding, that's a vacation. I mean, if you're not into wedding, that's a vacation. It's okay to say that. See, I'm taking a vacation in Ireland.

You deserve that. You work hard, man. Hardest working matter podcast and I know. You know what, Aaron, you're right. I deserve it. This is what I'm talking about. Yeah. saying ireland is the motherland of golf is like saying iraq cause 9-11 and then invading them

whoa billy that was like at least two minutes ago that i've been i've been maybe mid two minutes ago but now i was trying to get it in i got to work on the remote time and shoot and she was weak billy's not wrong i was like i corrected myself i corrected myself i said i said or is scott yeah scottlin saint St. Andrews, the birthplace of golf. Imagine how a hard golf was. But the Ireland still got links. Yeah.

Yeah, same style. Yeah. I think they have a different game that wasn't golf exactly. What, Ireland? Yeah, I think like they had another similar game. I mean, they weren't the first. Yeah, there's multiple civilizations that invented hitting a ball with a stick. Yeah.

Like Holland? It's a great activity. As far as inventions go in ways to pass time, I feel like hitting a ball with a stick is better than throwing a ball at a target. Well, lacrosse is pretty cool from that aspect, like hitting a ball with a stick, catching with a stick.

Yeah. I would classify hockey also as kind of a combo. You hit something with a stick. Baseball is the ultimate combo. It is. Throwing in hitting. Yeah. Yeah, you got a little bit of both.

But the first golfers, that was probably hard as shit. Who knows what they made? Probably like feathers in some sort of sack and then you hit it with a tree. That was probably pretty difficult to do. Probably a rock. Yeah. It was probably a rock and a hurling state. It's kind of wild how Harold and sports are in general.

If you just think about the object of the object of, like, each sport, it's kind of, it's kind of wild. I got there were many times against like we have like TV timeouts and maybe I said this before but like we had like TV timeouts and so like you just kind of have to sit there and wait for the guy with the with the gloves to do his little hand gesture to say it's time to run there were like plenty of times I'm just sitting there I look up in the stands or 60 70,000 people I'd be like yo they really just here to see us put a ball over a line that shit is wild though 60,000 people watching this it's why I'm saying it's just wow when you think about the object like I was playing golf the other day and like I had to

a par four and it was like four you know four hundred of yards and I'm looking I'm like I'm really out here on almost on the daily to put a fucking ball in a little cup it's crazy it's fucking wild there's a there's a good argument that like sports especially in Europe like prevent war like you know how much like ethnic tension gets out from soccer games it's pretty nuts they also kind of start little mini wars though yeah but that's better than big ones That's true. That's true. Only Aaron would actually, like, think that in the middle of the NFL game, like get real metal with it, an existential almost.

I can't be the only one because it's weird. It's really weird. Like, the intricacies of football is wild because you've got, you know, coverages, you got blitzers, you got blitz pickups, you got plays, you know, you know what I'm saying. All kinds of different things you can do on these play. You forget the goal of the game is to get the ball over a line. And it's such like an arbitrary thing, too. like if you ever notice like the inexact science of like marking a ball after somebody's down like so if somebody's down and they get a three-yard game it's a ref that's like running from

the side and it kind of like guesses where he believes the ball should be it's a very inexact so it's like it's like little kids playing it is we're just big ass grown men playing a little kid's game that's that everybody enjoys that's one of the unsung heroes of the NFL by the way is the guy with the orange mittens that just his job is to stand on the field during a TV timeout And then when he stands off the field, then the game's back on. I want that job. What sport do you guys think is the most ridiculous just in terms of thinking about it from like an outsider's point of view of, like what the ultimate goal of it is? Like an alien, like, what are you doing?

I think the most pure sport is just track and field, just sprinting. That one makes the most sense, right? That makes sense. I think combat sports. Yeah, that makes, that makes sense. Combat sports is pretty. Yeah. I think those are those, those, those, those, those, those, those make sense.

Boxing, jujitsu, wrestling, like, all that shit makes, running against racing. That makes sense because that's like the most primitive, like, I bet I could beat you. Bullshit, line up. Like, you know, that makes sense. But then, like, golf is pretty wild. Golf is wild to think about. Hockey Um

That makes sense too though You're on you're on sharpened knives gliding across frozen water And you got a big ass stick and you're trying to hit a little little donut into a net Equestrian Yeah Like They're riding a horse? Yeah like bipedal creature rides quadrupedal creature to jump over

weird things and walk a certain way. Yeah, I think it's fucked up. And the Olympics, they award gold medals to the jockeys. Those medals should go to the horse. That's why I said, I think the sport, that would be easiest to become, like, to do in itself would be equestrian just because you just ride a horse and let the horse do the work. I think there's a little bit more to it than that. No.

But the horses should get the. It's about training the horse. You have to spend a lot of touch. Them motherfuckers get treated like royalty, except when they break a leg or something, then it's just whatever. But that one makes sense too, though, because, like, we evolved with horses and stuff

to, you know, meander on through the terrain. That makes sense, too. I'm talking about the, like, the random one, like hockey. Like, the first couple of cats to play hockey, that had to be a sight to see. Yeah. There's a lot of firsts that are wild. I think I said this too before like the first nigga to try milk.

Yeah. That's a weird, that's a weird, that's a weird dude, man. That's not even him actually. It's not even him that weird. He had ventures, but it's the second nigga. You know what I'm saying? Like the second cat to try milk, he had to get it from his home. He was like, hey, yo, come here, come check this out.

And he's like, yo, suck on this. And the second dude had to be like, hey, yo, what? Well, I think he did that shit. Starvation. I think the whole idea of starvation, sort of really changes a lot of minds because if you see like a little calf suck it on some milk and you have some sort of conception

of what milk is because baby suck on milk and you're starving, you're going to go walk up to that buffalo and pray that it thinks it's cat and you're suckling because you're about to die in the forest. It's still wild. It's still wild. Yeah, the first, there's probably a lot of sickos out there

that'll try drinking anything out of an animal. and so it's not surprising that one person would try it but for that person to find another dude that was like yeah yeah I'm into that too let's do this together and then they would just sneak off to their village and just suck on cows others they had this like secret thing

yeah it probably was a shameful activity broke back farm um hey speaking of sports with balls I got a question for Big T, Big T, what color is a tennis ball, Big Tee? Yellow. Do you think a tennis ball is green? So I saw that you wrote a blog about it.

What was the premise of this? There was somebody put a poll on Twitter. It said, what color is a tennis ball? And it was like 46% to 43. And then there was a couple of jobs like, just show the answer or whatever. And I can't believe that there are people who think a tennis ball is green. The official name of the color, I think, is optic yellow. Is that what it is?

I think so. I think they start yellow, but the dirt that gets on them makes them green. So it depends how old it is. Yeah. Billy, what color is the spaceship on your hat right now, the macrodosing logo? Fluorescent green. Yeah, that's kind of, that logo is kind of a tennis ball color. That's not close to a tennis ball.

Look at this. Look at this. What's closer to a tennis ball color? This C4 Shake your bottle C4 by a lot No wait What am I looking at

The way I explained it was Watch Wimbledon They're playing on green courts Can you see the ball? Yes because it's yellow There's shades too It's not It's yellow

A color is a spectrum Colors a spectrum So it's Yes it's an oversimplification But Wet Wet tennis balls are green Like tennis balls

your dog plays with are green. Hmm. That's like saying if you get a white shirt dirty, then it's brown. But like, I think tennis balls turn green more often than not.

This new tennis ball I'm looking at pretty yellow. But the old tennis ball that you play with on the Republic courts is green. So like, if you look at Billy's screen,

right, that drink cup is yellow. and then our logo is green and so it's no free ads bro how many times you got to tell you that shit anyway the cup is yellow did they they pay us i don't know i don't know yeah c4 pays the green shit is uh okay bet well then you had to see four cup but the green shit is our logo and it's like it's like this fading it could be either i can see both arguments genuinely never heard somebody refer to a tennis ball as green before. So according to the ITF, I'm assuming that's the International Tennis Federation, I'm not going

to look that up. Most balls are produced as a fluorescent yellow known as optic yellow, first introduced in 1972 following research demonstrating they were more visible on television. So, yeah, yellow. They're yellow. Good call, Big T. I just genuinely like never heard that that people think it's green

it's greenish I've heard the debate on Gatorade Lemon Lime Gatorade Yeah I'm not Listen I if you want to say The Tennis Balls are green I'm not going to lose any sleepover It's not blatantly obvious to me that they're yellow

I would say it's blatantly Would you say that lemon lime Gatorade is yellow or green Lemon Lime Gatorade is yellow See that's very interesting to me because I would say those are the same color. Because lemon comes first in it. That's crazy. It just accepted me into it.

You mean if you put a tennis ball and a lemon lime gatorade together, you see the same color? I'd have to look at it again, but I think they're very similar. There's no way you see the same color. I think it depends on if it's in the shade or not. Yeah, that's about the color of a tennis ball. That's crazy. Nah Like I would say those yellow softballs

That is more of a yellow than a tennis ball I agree with that Yeah Dogs can't tell the difference Ever think about that? Is that their type of color blindness? I think so I don't know I don't know what dogs see it

Mad Dog Is dog sitting from me this weekend While I'm in Ireland I am She's looking after Blake I met Blake this weekend Yeah Good boy

He's a good boy I need to come up A list of rules for Mad Dog Which he's not allowed to do In my house while she pets sits You said I could throw a high school party You could throw a high school party Yeah

Or high school style party Yeah Yeah I don't have high school friends here Like high school house party Yeah yeah can I get a keg That's not a good idea At all You can put one hole in the wall

Okay And you're allowed to order one movie on pay-per-view two movies two movies on paper view wow big spender big spender yeah that's right i got that i got that two two movie budget going okay that works for me i would say parties only outside no inside's fine yeah i'll just do one of the floors i'll keep it exclusive to one floor there we go or you can have each floor be a different level different party on each yeah yeah you can do like an around the world party so so the basement is australia okay the main floor is going to be let's say france so it's wine and girl dinner and then uh second floor upstairs what's that billy

north pole santa party yeah polar bear party on the roof on the roof deck okay all right sick um so that's gonna be fun try to break everything i'll try uh what else we got today today today We're going to talk about the Industrial Revolution. We've got a great guest. Actually, a fascinating conversation with this guy, Brian Merchant, and he's going to talk to us about the Luddite movement and how it relates to artificial intelligence today and some things that they did back in the day

in the 1700s, 1800s, and how that might impact what's going on with AI coming up. Do you guys know, by the way, the difference between AI and just software? because I feel like AI is just used as a catch-all term like people want to sound buzzy when they're talking about but what they're really describing is just like advanced forms of software yes but like software someone has coded it and that's all it can do so it's like more specific I feel like

and then AI is more sentience the wrong word but that's only word I can think so it's being coded to be able to absorb new things that aren't in like the original parameters of what the software was originally. Is that right? I think software is like, okay, you know, Twitter. Like, Twitter is coded with software. Got it. But like AI is, you know, it can make new things from the code that.

Isn't it like programmed to like problem solve? Like it can problem solve. Yeah. That's like the. AI is just like advanced software, I guess. Got it. I have a question for Billy. or Bill, you can look this up

and get the answer for us. Jamie, pull this up. At the start of the Industrial Revolution, people started to use like typewriters, right? Typewriters became a big thing. Why is a typewriter formatted in the Q-W-E-R-T-Y across the top? Does anybody know? Oh, I know this for a fact. It's the least used next to the most used

so that they wouldn't get stuck down from like the alphabet has a lot of vowels next to each other that tend to get used more so they used to get stuck down so like the w r and d aren't is used as much as e so that's why they're around e but it was just the most strategic way to make sure all the uh buttons didn't get messed up because of the alphabetical order is that true well i'm looking at the keyboard now i would say so like a is next to S. Those are very commonly used. But A is used way more than S. R is next to T and E. I and O were next to each other. And you. Billy, there are three vowels in a row on the keyboard. M and Ann are next to each other. I'd say those are very common consonants.

Billy, fact check yourself. Now let me fact check myself. Okay, the name comes from the order of the six keys was devised in 1870s by Christopher Leitham Scholl. a newspaper editor and printer. Shultz held a patent patent application. It was a lot of trial and error rearrangements of the original machine's alphabetical key arrangements. The study of letter pair frequency by educator. Oh, I think I'm wrong.

He's halfway right. I think the letters that would be most usually used in the preceding letter. So E is used a lot with R, but why is in Q next to you? This says the arrangement was intended to reduce the jamming of type bars as they move to strike ink on paper, separating certain letters from each other on the keyboard, reduce the amount of jamming. So I don't know that it's necessarily the most used or whatever, but it was for that. So we're playing on a set of rules that was developed 150 years ago for a problem that we don't have anymore.

but not you can't change it now how how bad would that fuck everything up well i think that's you know what okay if uh if i'm if i'm if i'm trying to compete with apple right now if i'm a rival computer maker um i'm going to do my own keyboard well when like if you're signing into apps on your tv or whatever sometimes to put in your password it'll be an alphabetical keyboard and those suck those do suck there's got to be a better way though i don't hate those though I'd actually, I think that makes more sense than this shit, in my opinion. It does. I think we just learned on this, so it makes sense to you.

But like, I was never good in computer class. I was always ditch. So I used to type like that, like a little chicken pecker, right? And so I know exactly where R is relative to Q or S. When it comes to the alphabet, you know the alphabet better than you the keyboard. Yeah, but like sometimes it's a different number of letters in the row. and you're used to the QWERTY keyboard and you know where everything is right now.

If it had always been alphabetical, yeah, that would make more sense. It's more intuitive, but... I think it's a generational thing, too, because I think computer class just started with our generation, and I didn't pay much attention to it. So, like, I'm not one of those,

you know, look to the side and type type cats. So when I see an alphabet in a row, that makes... I'm better with that. I don't know. But y'all want to know the top 10 letters used according to readers digress readers. Can I guess?

Yeah, guess the first one. First one got to be E. First one is E. Let's go. Let's see. I said that before. Number two, I'm guess is I'm going to guess. Yes, Billy, you did.

Billy just took credit for your guess. Did he wait, what did he say? Billy said that like earlier when I was getting my fact wrong, I said at one point. Well, my fact was right, but, like, I had trouble reading the Wikipedia. Number two, I'm going to go A. Why don't you have Big T get a shine, though, right? That is number two as well. Okay. Big T is on fire.

Number three, I'm going to throw a consonant in there. I'm going to guess S is number three. I see where you went, but it's, it's R. Okay. Is S four? Nope. four is i okay all right i'm done guessing five is oh okay five is oh six is t seven is n that's actually surprising to me whoa eight is s nine is l and ten is c c good there you go that's an interesting

letter sneaking in the top ten yeah that's um kind of an outlier what would you put in above c you didn't say did you, M wasn't in there? Mm-mm. I'm shocking. C over M, that's a 16 over one. That's why we play the games. Yep, not played on paper. I just had a crazy flashback about the letter C

in a book about Sesame Street where Elmo was on a chocolate chip cookie boat and the cookie monster came and he was looking for the letter C wait I need to find this your brain needs to be studied are you high no I just drank a lot of green

I feel like Billy's high I know I just drank a lot of green tea Let her see Sesame Street book Yeah see she's a shocker to sneak up there I just feel like there's a way that we could rearrange the keyboard we've been doing it this way for so long I think that we only use it this way because it's what we're used to

There's got to be more efficient way What about just a keyboard with words on it? So you don't even have to fuck with the letters. Explain. Oh, okay. So Big T, your keyboard would have like the word Tennessee on it. Okay. That you could just smash.

That has multiple double letters in it. No, I know. But I'm saying you don't have to type out the entire word. You just hit the Tennessee button. Then you get the word. It's like autocomplete, right? Okay. When you pull up your phone and you can auto complete the sentence?

that turned off because I hate that shit. Yeah, but you know what I'm saying? Like, you just hit. Yeah, I'm just confused as to how many letters would be on your keyboard or how many? How many words? Yeah. I don't know. Maybe your top 26 words would be on there.

And then you have the other keyboard underneath. So it's like a hybrid. You can go back and forth. Okay. Yeah, sure. Have you guys ever seen a court stenographer's keyboard? No. Yeah.

Oh, you haven't? No. Oh, it's very weird. They have. That's exactly what they have. I mean, I think that was Frank. job before barstole he just like hieroglyphics though there's no chance i've seen frank's tweets he was not a court stenographer no but he worked in a court house i don't think it's i don't know what the exact

word first but the person that types down what everyone says in the courtroom but they have a really weird keyboard well some of them also have the mask on so they just repeat what they hear and then it's yeah court stenographer keyboard And it's weird. It's like six buttons. How do you court? Yeah, I've never seen this before. A stenograph, a keyboard with only 22 keys.

The keys on the left are used to type the first letter of a syllable of a word, and the keys on the right are used for the last letter of a syllable. And vowel keys are on the bottom row. Okay, so they don't have full words, but they have like stentotype. That makes sense because like pH and TH are frequently used together, all the vowels at the bottom that makes sense that's wild

I kind of want to get a course turning out of your keyboard I mean then you could really just type how you talk it goes STPH instead of QWERty and then on the other side

instead of UI-O-P it's F-P-L-T-D that's this is breaking my brain actually I'm kind of arguing against myself I like the QWERTY keyboard now Does it fill in the letters that's in between the vowels? We have to have a court stenographer that listens to this show, right?

Yeah. Let us know. Frank might be a court stenographer. I bet you $100,000 he was not a court stenographer. What did he do? Okay, take that bet. Take that bet. How much did he say?

100,000. What does Billy have to give you? Give us a mods. Give him some odds. Yeah, give him some odds. Billy owes me $2,000 if he's wrong. Deal. That's the expected.

value is in your favor even if you lose i'm taking i'm taking that bit i don't have you know what fuck you want to do that bet with me i don't know this nigger what are you doing bill i'm bill you can't look it up no i was going to just look at my savings account and okay i'll do it i'll do it i'll do it i'll do that shit okay all right let's go let's go let's go it's bring him in love to see yes yeah yeah yeah bring frank in okay let me grab frank Wait, wait, Billy, you're going to lie to him. We want Billy to bring him in? Wait, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Hang on, I got to call Frank. Too late. What's it? Is this Frank? Bro, he's going to tell Frank he'll give him five grand. Five? Over a hundred. Shee.

No, that's what. Billy will tell him, hey, I'll win a hundred grand. If you say you were a court stenographer, I'll give you five. Just come in and say it. Billy That was a mistake on my part by allowing Billy to go get him Yeah

The whole thing's been compromised now It has shit shit shit shit shit I gotta get his number I've just I DM with Frank I think most people communicate with him by DM He's smiling his ass off because he told him Franks gone missing And it has something to do with him

needing his glucose. But when I said that to everybody outside, they're like, that sounds right. Because they've just heard the word courthouse. If he's did any stenography, does it count? No, with his his job title. What happens if you actually have to give me a hundred thousand dollars? Nothing. It's a drop in the bucket. I love that we can do this now. Yeah. All right. I'll update you in Frank the Tank, text me back. I just text him, asked him a simple question. What was your job title when you worked at the court? Billy thinks he was a stenographer. I think that you were a clerk. That's the text that I sent him. And Big Tee, you can verify that. Oh, you never said you thought he was a clerk. I did say that.

Yeah, you probably won. That probably makes way more sense. Okay. All right. So we're going to get into the Industrial Revolution. Anyone, anything else we want to talk about? you were, I missed out on some of the show last week, you were teed off about some pretty significant stuff, right? Significant? I'm assuming that you've got, you already got into all that. He's trainsphobic. There's an eye in there, trains.

Yeah, you don't like trains? I don't like the train that goes by my house. Okay, that's fair. Yeah. That's fair. Other trains I'm TBD on, but you're not in my backyard for trains. Yes, I am a train NIMB. Correct. You're standing between

mean national light speed rail people like you no no no that would be a good train no but if that train that train has to go through someone's backyard and your train's phobia is part of the problem well just make it quiet yeah there should be quieter trains yeah it's just figure out a way to move hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of tons of steel and metal quietly please well no it's not the the movement of the train it's the bell oh yeah Yeah, I saw Aryan's tweet about how he's convinced that train conductors, they pull the horn when they go past the golf course. They said they do.

They said they do. Yeah, that's a good, that's a good prank, though. I don't mind. I think it's funny because I live right by a golf course and there's, I think it's like, oh, I don't know, 1312, where I got to pull out and go to the highway on to get to the city. And every time somebody's in the back swing, I always, I always honked the horn. I do the same shit. So I ain't mad at all. I just think, they just do it.

But they don't do it like in people's back swings. they just sit there and blow the horn for 20 minutes straight and I'm like I don't but have you get your kicks I used to do that when I drove past a golf course too like when I was 16 that was the best when you got your car is right in the back swing just fucking people

mm-hmm I still do it and I'm 36 yeah alright anything else we want to get into big to your teed off about anything this week not other than the trains no still on trains anybody else BFT, were you disappointed in how the women's soccer team ended? Yeah, I thought that they underperformed.

The world's kind of caught up to us, but our team didn't, if you watched any of the games, they never looked like they were out there asserting themselves. They were playing passively for the most part. I mean, they did outplay Sweden in the last game, but they just didn't score. It was unfortunate, but yeah, we're not, it's, we expect more from our women. Did you guys get into this? Yeah. I didn't like how Megan Rapino smiled.

I think that's, yeah, I mean, it wasn't a good look for sure. But it's not about her. She shouldn't have been playing. I actually blame, I don't necessarily blame Megan Rapino. I blame the manager of the team for having her on that roster because she's so far over the hill right now. She should not, she took a roster spot away from a much better player that could have been out there actually contribute. because if you watched her over the course of the tournament she did not do anything worthy

of having that roster spot and it sucked that Rose Lavelle was out for that game because she's way, way better than Rupino they kind of play different positions but it's still like I yes Megan Rupino should have made her penalty kick obviously but she shouldn't have been out there in the first

place that's my opinion on it Billy's got the smile on his face like there's something he wants to say so I was I was uh I was at the PLL in Baltimore enjoying amazing lacrosse from the bar down beer garden. They only sold craft beers, which have much higher percentages than Dukes and I are used to. And after that, it sounds like an excuse, just built into the pre-story. Okay, I didn't talk about this on Monday, but I had a drunk tweet that went a little too viral that I kind of want to explain.

I said that Megan Rapino should be deported I take that back I take that back don't think she should be deported at the time I did I don't currently think that but it was doing so many numbers

and now that Elon's paying people for Twitter I had to let it go I had to let it just run its course so I apologize Are you still on this thing where you're trying to get paid to tweet I am getting paid to tweet I just got paid

how much I got 200 bucks with a check hit like that check hit like 200 bucks did you seriously yeah dude I'll send you the image that's kind of insane actually so bill you were you were playing a long game on this one

you didn't you don't actually think that she should be reported no at the time when I tweeted I saw that shit and I was like what the fuck like the porter yeah I mean she she fucked up that was a bad penalty but I would have said that about LeBron I would have said that about like if I was watching the 2004 Athens games and the basketball team didn't win the whole thing, I'd be like,

what the fuck? It's definitely an overstatement. No, I mean, listen, the hockey team. The U.S. women's national team is historically a dominant organization. Yeah, right? They're really, really good. They've become more and more a focal point for like the culture war that everything is about nowadays, which sucks. I hate that you can't just commentate on something and be talking about the sport and then all of a sudden you're thrown into okay well you believe this because you subscribe to this political point of view they suck this world cup just straight up from a sports perspective they were not good they were disappointing they should be better than that they had Megan Rapino had a terrible world cup we got to get better but maybe maybe this is uh

maybe this lights the fire who knows it's tough to win three world cups in a row that is weird too because if you win two in a row it's hard to say to the people that that got you there wait Frank's call me back hey Frank it's PFT yeah you try to call me I did try to call you yeah this is PFT and we're taping macrodosing now so just so you know we're recording this but Billy and I were talking about

keyboards and about the different keyboards that you use for different jobs Billy thought that you were a court stenographer were you a court what was your job title when you worked at the court? I was a court clerk okay Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. Did you basically are being done way with. So I actually recorded the court proceedings on a digital recording, and I would have to log who was talking.

Did you ever, did he ever use a stenographer thing? But your job title was, was, did you ever use this tonography? You weren't actually writing down the dialogue and all that stuff. No, I was just cataloging, who was testifying at the moment? or who is uh who the proceeding was so they could actually go and listen to it later got it okay i'm so goddamn all right i knew he was thank you frank taking out they're saying yep take care okay so i'm going to say something here billy owes me two thousand dollars frank the tank at at some point in his job he was typing things into a computer that people would

then read in conjunction with reading the dialogue from the court proceedings. I'm willing to say that that's close enough where you now only owe me $1,000. Deal. Okay. Awesome. Deal. All right. Fuck yeah.

Billy, that was close enough that the potential return was still worth that. Can I pay that over time? Yeah, maybe $200 a month. I'm going to need more viral tweets out of you, Billy. He's waiting on Twitter. Yeah. Yep. Billy, just start stealing, stealing tweets left and right.

I'm just going to try to go viral so goddamn hard. Rex Chapman. Yeah. Yeah, Billy. I need you to be the blocker charge. I'm literally going to just start ripping like the craziest videos from Reddit that I usually try to, no, don't know, Billy, your instincts are, no. You're saying that you want to tweet out more like animal murder videos.

they do numbers I would say that you just got to tweet out you got to figure out your own block or charge do you think you're tougher than the fucking son the son yeah need you to go viral Billy all right well that that demystifies that

what were we talking about before Frank called me back oh yeah the women's national team anyways don't deport them they're welcome to come back but it's hard to win three world cups in a row where's she from Megan Rapino? No, she's from America.

It was stupid. It was stupid. It was a very stupid tweet. So we're going to ask what you. That's, I'm going to follow you if you just try to go viral for tweets to get money, but I promise I'll unfollow you. Okay.

I've heard some people calling her a loser. She's not, objectively speaking, she's not a loser. She's one of the best women's soccer players of all time. But in this tournament, she absolutely played like loser. this residual hate from her taking the need during the National National Provency they just wait

They was waiting to pounce It was waiting Mm-hmm Aaron when you were When you were playing towards the end of your career Was there a moment where you realized Like hey I don't I don't have it like that anymore

No I thought I could play pretty well I was just battling like little small injuries Towards then So I walked out I was like Tip top shape Like, as far as, like, agility-wise, I didn't, I didn't feel that in my career.

There was a point in time where I remember, like, the recovery time is taking long. Like, whereas I'd be good, like, maybe Wednesday, Tuesday, Wednesday. Like, later on in my career, I could feel that. Like, I would feel that shit on Friday and sometimes in the Saturday. But you never had a moment where you're like, uh, I really shouldn't be out here anymore. Like, games pass me by. No, I was only 30. I walked away at 30.

Because I feel like Rapino, she's 38. That's pretty old. That's pretty old for a soccer player, regardless of your gender or whatever. It's a young woman's game. So we got to reload. That's fine. We got some young players coming up. I do like watching the women's game at some points more than I like watching the men's game.

For reasons that we've talked about, they don't flop as much. They seem like they're just tougher. They seem like, I don't know. There's more the, there's more spacing in the game. So it's unfortunate that they're not moving on. But Megan Rapino is allowed to say in the United States, according to Billy's new take. Is she a hero, Billy? Sure.

Wow. Okay. She's not a lot for women's soccer. She has. She has. All right. Anything else we want to get into before we talk about the Industrial Revolution? going once, going twice.

Do you want to talk about Barstool being bought back? So yeah, we can talk about the Penn Barstool, ESPN thing. Penn National Gaming, Penn Entertainment, excuse me, sold Barstool back to Dave. Penn is now doing a business deal with ESPN to launch ESPN bet, and that's going to be coming forward in the next couple months. I think it's good for all three companies probably. ESPN gets some money from Penn. Penn gets to work with ESPN

and their national platform that they have to work on gambling and they don't have to worry about regulators that might not have liked Barstool. We don't have to worry about it from Barstow's perspective when it comes to the regulators. So now we're running our own ship again.

And I think it's going to be good for this podcast, definitely, because regulators don't like content about drugs sex, the name of our podcast, is macro dosing. So I think overall that's, it's, it's probably good. It's probably good for us and nothing's going to change. So that's, that's pretty much it from my perspective. So we're about to get a whole lot crazier. Yeah.

Our takes, everything. Well, this is the only place that you can come for Billy football now. Yeah. Unless he gets the part of my take GM. But that doesn't, that's not a speaking role. So are there any takes, Billy, that you've been, you've been saving that might be too hot for TV that now you're you're off the leash. Aaron Rogers has been unjustly crucified for years for being a really nice guy for like hard knocks just showed he was just he's just an amazing dude like how he treated leave Schreiber Ray Donovan when he showed up he was just like yo that dude's lonely go comfort the Hollywood bro who may seem like he's cool. actor and everything but really he has no idea what he's doing at this practice and he's probably

tweaking out yeah and he's like so nice to the young guys i think the hard knocks was it was it's it's an it was really awesome to see as a jets fans but at the same time it's like it's like unrealistic pornography for what's actually going to happen like yeah teenage boys watching porn me watching hard knocks unrealistic expectations it's um every year in hard knocks it you find yourself thinking this team could be really good it's very rare that on hard knocks you get a team that a lot of people think could be great like the best team in the NFL and so your expectations are going to be so far raised i don't i don't want to like damper any of this childhood like excitement you have billy

because it's good um but just try to try to temper the expectation just a little bit. They set it to Ed Shearant. They set all of his insane throws to Ed Shearin. That's just, that's not, that's, that's, that's almost cruel in how awesome it is. Yeah. Zach Wilson looked good too, right? Yeah.

No look passes. Aaron Rogers also think his ceiling is way higher. Okay. Maybe I'm old fashion. And I mean, I never played the game at a high level, unlike you, Arian and you also, Billy. but typically you'd like to see your quarterback looking where he's passing the ball, right? Maybe that's Zach Wilson's problem. He's just always been throwing no-look passes.

If the receivers know it's coming, that's the only problem. Yeah, I would like my quarterback to look at the receivers. Maybe that's just me. But you should know where they are before the ball snapped. All right, so, Billy, before this episode aired, what were your expectations? record wise uh 10 and 7 and now wait you were only thinking 10 and 7 well like i was being realistic that was my realistic expectation in my head okay that might not even make the playoffs in the afc 13 and 4 13 and 4 and super bowl yes we're thinking suppy

he did look happy but again we only see what they allow us to see that, which is like 15 minutes of Aaron Rogers, but he did look like a nice guy. So good for him. Oh, Big T. There was one other thing. Uh, Joe Milton said that he could throw a football 90 yards. Yeah. That fucking rocks. He's going to be so awesome. Show me the video. I want to see the video of him throwing the ball 90 yards. You've seen him throw an orange 120. That's not a football. Show me the football. Stop teasing me. Video of him throwing it like 70 in a game, so I have no trouble believing he can throw it 90. Yeah, but we've seen a couple guys throw at 70. I want to see him throw a 90.

I mean, they have to run a play where he tries to throw the ball 90 yards, right? Well, sometimes that's just any play. Yeah. That's just a play that's called. And then he decides he's going to do that. That's just Bazooka Joe, baby. Yeah. Like, 90 yards. Like, that guy can hail Mary from the 20.

Yeah. I want to see it I want to see all this like that that can change the game like kick off with no one expects left no one expects a Hail Mary on like first and 10 from your own

25 yard also that's not on a three step drop though like that's probably running 10 yards and yeah so get the ball in the shotgun run or like long snap bring your long snapper out there yeah or no run to your own end zone

avoid all the defense get your thousand crow hops you need and just by the time you've done that your receivers have gotten into the end zone and then just chuck it deep and worst case scenario if you throw it that far it's intercepted that's like a 90-yard punt good good thinking yeah let him let him sling it industrial revolution is going to be brought to you by factor um actually billy before i talk about factor i do need your help because a lot of people around here are going on diets that's like a thing getting ready for football season get those kickoff abs going um i've decided it's bulking season i've decided i'm going to just get jacked up i want to be like 200 210 pounds i want to be strong

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you know I'm going to hit you for like target this dude, target because I'm literally, I'm going to have a bunch of old dudes who probably ain't even going to be on rosters on my thing. I need, I need help. I am struggling right now. Our draft is September 5th at 8.30 p.m. Oh, you're really pushing it. I like that though. That's like the day before. I love that because you don't, you don't have to worry about injuries. happening preseason. That's true. I don't know. And recently we just upped it. So it's like

$300 getting. And so that's up. And so we like up it every year. And then we're getting this like football with like name plates on it from everybody who's won. And so like you get a ship to you after you won one. I've only won once. So who's who's the best in your league? everybody's won nobody's nobody's one twice i believe yeah you should come to chicago me you and pfts and

we'll do it live and stream it well actually we're the dudes that are in hughes because there's like six of us that are in houston or five of us we're all meeting at a dinner place okay maybe just like face time us for each pick i like or okay what if big tea joined I don't I hate fantasy football I don't want to join no I'm saying like what if you went to Houston you hate fantasy football yeah I can't do it anymore why it became too like well first of I don't love the NFL so it's very like I don't care that much but it's also just like so tedious and I just I can't do it anymore I love it in ice gamebled on football fantasy football does nothing that's true

makes sense that's true because there's so much you get the immediacy when you gamble on football right and it's like you're paying attention to the whole game instead of oh there's a seven yard rush by Jemir Gibbs or whoever yeah like

I would like to see you who's in this league did you know um damn I don't think there's any like super super prominent catch this cat's that I play with like

he's kind of saying you don't know ball yeah that's kind of fucked up no no they were Texans so okay two of my guards Antoine Caldwell Wade Smith oh you might know Kevin Walter he was a receiver with us yep you know what I forgot that Andre Johnson played his last

season with the Colts that yeah that's good to know did he play here for the Titans, too? I'm not sure. Why is that good to know, Billy? Because I've been playing that new NFL grid. He did play for Titans. Yeah. And I have a couple, like Ryan Fitzpatrick, Josh McCown, Josh Johnson. Josh Johnson. Like, I got some, but that, I think I had a Houston Colts one, which I probably should have gotten easier because there's a linebacker that is

gave me right now. Yeah, so Johnson played his last season on the Titans. The season before that, he was on the Colts. I completely forgot about those two seasons. Nine catches for the Titans. There we go. For 85 yards. There we go.

Adrian Peterson is another good back to remember for that game, Billy. I'm obsessed with the grid. Frank Gore. Frank Gore. Yep. You put anything on a grid and I will play it. That's, there should be one with movies. So I'm going to hit up Jeffty Lowe about that.

Just have actors and actresses. And then you have to say the movie that they weren't together. Billion dollar idea, Jeffty Lowe. Don't say never do anything for you. The departed? That's a movie. The expendables? Just a good movie to name it.

Aryan would get fucked up by seeing Mark Wahlberg and Matt Damon on the same screen. Just be like, wait, that's the same person. They're in the same movie? Yeah. With Leonardo Caprio. They're pushing it now. Yep. All right. Industrial Revolution. Let's talk about it. Billy, I know that you did a lot of research on this one. I did. You want to get started?

So the Industrial Revolution is kind of the culmination of a bunch of advances in agriculture that sort of led to this new society where you didn't need as many people working in the fields. but then you had this congregation of labor that sort of got edged out by machinery I might have totally butchered that but no it started it was the original steampunks yeah they figured out that steam could turn a turbine and when it was under pressure

then you could have these massive massive boilers that would turn giant turbines that would then make shit move around the industrial revolution began in England in the 18th century, and it quickly spread around the world. Three reasons that led the Industrial Revolution was the emergence of capitalism, European imperialism, and the agricultural revolution. So what was going on before the Industrial Revolution? What was life like?

It was kind of just like a lot of farmers, a feudalism, if you will, just people work in the land, bringing their wares, anything that they could make, whatever surplus they had from their home. instead to a market where they exchanged their goods and that was pretty much like the labor system it was like a just sort of mercantilism in a way but it wasn't like large production of different types of wares or sort of dinky but that was how it was for about like thousands of years like there wasn't that much difference between a farmer's lifestyle in 1200 and 1700. Hmm

Some of the It was like a hand-me-down clothes Hand-me-down wears You had to take care of your shit Before the Industrial Revolution Wasn't so easy You couldn't just go to a store And buy everything

You had tons of different skills To create different things But the separation of labor Hadn't taken hold yet Adam Smith Keens We'll talk about that later Really came into play

When people realized We could be a lot more productive And make a lot more money if we had laborers doing specific things for a long amount of times. So do you guys know how boats used to get around before the steam engine? I mean, obviously paddling, you know, people had oars that goes back a long way. But before the steam engine and before the steamboat kind of took over, the way that you would move horses around like river, or excuse me, boats around rivers

would be with horses. so you would have horses that were on your boat and there would be a treadmill set up on the boat and then horses would walk on that which would give the ferry power so it would move the boat using literal horsepower oh shit fun fact is that and that's where

horsepower from our engines come from I'm going to say yes I think that's true I think it is true it sounds true but then they have like carts and wagons like way before boats i could be wrong about that yeah but this is like actually taking the power from a horse some of the biggest inventions during the industrial revolution to cause such change were the new commons steam engine the steam engine was invented by thomas new common in england in 1712 the steam engine pumped

water using a vacuum created by condensed steam. The engine was an important invention because it trained out water from deep mines, thus making it vital to the mining industry today so they could get guys down there without having them drown. The flying shuttle was another big one invented by James K. It was a simple weaving machine that he invented in France. Before the invention of the shuttle fabric was woven by two weavers passing a shuttle back and forth between them. So this exact shuttle basically halved the ability of the labor force because

it just made the two people needed to weave only into one who probably just had to watch the machine. It was really like a domino thing where it started out. Thomas Savory invented the first commercially used steam powered device which was a steam pump that used steam pressure

operating directly on the water and the first engine was newcomin and he developed in 1712 to transmit power. And then James Watt came and then improved on that. And then all these different various steam power devices just got combined. They were just like, well, what if we use the steam power of this, combined it with steam powered that.

And then boom, we've got like an entire contraption. And then fast forward 300 years. And you've got guys wearing goggles going out to bars and pretending that they live in the 1800s. Yeah. Steampunkin. Steam punkin. like the power of steam must have been pretty now that I think about it it's just like I bet there you know what rule 34 steam powered sex toy it doesn't look it up I'm on to check it out look up 1800s so there was a steam powered vibrator what there was steam powered vibrator and it debuted in 1734 which sounds insane

mainly dangerous, excuse me, the vibrator debuted in 1734, and it used a crank, which you would like just turn with your hand, like an egg beater. That feels like far more work than manual stimulation. Probably, probably, or like a fishing rod, like a reel that you would reel in. But in 1869, they made the steam-powered manipulator. Nice, nice date for it. And, yeah, good point, Billy. The machine had its engine in another room with the apparatus sticking through the wall.

So like a glory hole for a steampunk vibrator. That is. That sounds very hot. It's not like something you can hide in your bedside table. It's just you have to have a room. This is my vibrator room and this is the glory hole. Why did you buy, why did you put that new addition on the side of your house? Oh, no reason.

We wanted more space. just a second bedroom in case the in-laws came to visit. Can I check it out? No. Yeah, so there was definitely a steam-powered vibrate. I just, that sounds like a high probability of a burn in a place you don't want to get a burn. We've come a long way since then. No pun intended. All right, yeah.

So back to some more of the inventions, Billy. The spinning Jenny, this machine was able to spin at 80 and 120 spindles. that's also just taking more and more jobs. Watt steam engine we talked about, 1769. This was probably the first steam engine that started getting applied to lots of mass transportation. The water frame

was a model that could produce cotton threads. The machine was able of spinning 96 strains of yards at once. The spinning mule, which would spin multiple spools of yarns and thread. It's a lot of loot. It's a lot of textile stuff. And we'll see in our interview that textile makers was the big employer at this time and probably the

most impactful machine in the role of America, the cotton gin, Eli Whitney in Savannah, Georgia, the cotton gym made it easier to separate cotton fibers from their seeds than doing it manually. revolutionized the cotton industry, but it also greatly increased the demand for cotton workers in the South, which led to more slavery. So the Industrial Revolution had a lot of consequences, some would say. The icebox, we can all agree, probably wasn't that problematic. Well, so I'm glad that you brought that up, Billy, because I've always wondered how people were able to freeze stuff, how ice boxes and ice, could you get a cold drink back in the 1800s? No, no ice. I think you could I think they had ice They shipped it though And it was like weird Like they just like cut off huge pieces of ice

From like Cold places and just bring it down And then they put it in the basement Like big chunks of ice Yeah ice was probably Super valuable back then Yeah Like ice makers probably put the ice shipping business out

Like so like another reason So many jobs lost The dudes that used to haul ice So you said that the steam There was a steam powered Ice box, how do you use steam to make ice? Well, it was this simple wooden box lined with insulating materials such as tin or zinc with a large block of ice in a compartment near the top of the box. The outside of the box was lined with rabbit fur other insulating fabrics.

The ice box allowed for perishable foods to be kept longer than before. So it wasn't exactly like they were making ice. It was literally just an ice box. It was a box that you put ice in. Okay, got it. there's a puffing devil which Richard Treveithic patented. It was a steam powered locomotive from England. The contrapture was the first steam powered train and then the steam engine locomotive. George Stevenson's patented in 1841. So that started hauling a ton of more coal out of the mines of killing Worth, England, once more allowing more fuel from the Industrial Revolution. The mechanical Reaper basically took the Grim Reaper. out of a job, you know, the Grim Reaper that scythe he holds. Well, there was a bunch of dudes that used those scythe for work and the Mechanical Reaper totally took all their jobs. The Telegraph

took a whole messenger company's jobs, like everybody who used to just travel messages across the country, like Pony Express took their job. The steel plow. This guy also took a lot of jobs. And it's someone you know, John Deere invented the steel. steel plow in Illinois in 1837 was revolutionary because farmers were using cast iron plows at the time, which the soil would stick to, of course, the farmers to frequently clean off the plow. The steel plow could be polished so that soil would slide right off. The steel plow was a huge commercial success. And John Deere's probably more of the popular industrial revolution. Do you think that John Deere would have been as popular of a product if he didn't have

the name John Deere? John Deere is a great name for a tracker. Yeah, runs like a deer. Nothing runs like a deer. Do you have a John Deer and Big T. Mowers? No, I need to get back to. I haven't mowed in a long time. Yeah, we need that stream. I love those streams.

There was also a steamed gun. I'm actually surprised that it took as long as it did for them to figure out a way to weaponize this. I feel like in modern society, if you have any new invention, the very first thing that happens is let's figure out a way to put it in a gun. But it took a while. there was a gun that they used in the Civil War in the 19th century that could fire I think it was like a hundred rounds per minute

which that's a ton of rounds considering what they were working with beforehand That's crazy actually The win in steam gun It was patented in 1858 200 projectiles in one minute So they used it... That's crazy

That's a lot, yeah I imagine that that probably won more than one or two battles Keep going, Billy? The Bessner process allowed for the mass production of inexpensive steel and involved removing impurities, but from iron. So this is just, you know, the telephone, the phonograph, big Edison inventions, Thomas Graham Bell, incandescent light bulb, electric motor, roller coaster, an airplane. They say that the airplane was sort of the end of the Industrial Revolution and the Model T is probably one of the last inventions. But those are the sorts of things that sort of really revolutionized the world. It's like you think about all those inventions from the micro to macro level like a car airplane really changed the world in a closer in that 100 years of 1810 to 1910 than any change occurred for the previous.

2000. What do you guys think the best discovery of all time was? I'm going to go electricity. Discovery, not invention? Not invention. Discovery. Yeah. Fire. Fire is 1A. Fire. Yeah, you're right. Fire probably gets, that beats electricity. Splitting the atom? Electricity pretty sick, though. Electricity is great. I, I shudder to think what I would be doing for a living if it weren't for electricity. I would, I would, I I would die within a week if you put me back in, like, pre-electric times. That's why if you want the EMP, fuck the nuke, drop an EMP. Yeah, how come we haven't had an EMP attack?

Yeah, because we don't want that because we have men and women across this country, working hard, prevented EMP terrorist attack. Thank you, Billy. Yeah, I appreciate you standing up for them. But how come your big FBI guy? Yeah. Okay. So it's just interesting that you'd be pro FBI. Anyways, I'm shocked that it hasn't happened, though, right?

Like we've, it feels like it would be easier to detonate an EMP or there would be more people. I mean, it would be an act of war. Yes. Oh, for sure. Well, but an EMP doesn't, there's, I don't think we have a device powerful enough to let off an EMP that would cause more than a couple blocks radius of electrical. Oh, we sure do. No, but causing a power outage, I think would be much more effective and, you know, be easier to deny. Like some say that some people think that like Russia is going after electrical infrastructure in the United States right now just to there's actually, no, there was a Russian, Russian terrorists held ransom certain electrical grids. I'm pretty sure I'm correct.

I think that was live free or die hard. It's a plot to a diehard movie Yeah I'm just surprised that it hasn't happened yet You would think that in all the conflicts Maybe it has happened Maybe we've deployed one overseas We just don't know about it

Have you used Turkey thinks that the US In NATO caused an earthquake Okay Yeah oh the first human caused EMP occurred in 1962 when a 1.4 megaton starfish prime thermonuclear weapon detonated 400 kilometers above the Pacific Ocean. Jesus Christ.

And you think we can't do a real EMP 50 years later? Yeah, but that's a, but like a, that's a nuke causing an EMP. But I've seen Oceans 11, you can have the nuke without the explosion and it's just the EMP. I bet we've got all sorts of weapons out there that you could just like, they're more targeted probably. Well, Hiroshima and Nagasaki were EMPs. They, it was not considered a design part of the weapons, but they both sent out an EMP when they detonated. All right. So like, we don't really have something that can only cause an EMP.

I bet we do. I bet we do. You just got to, you got to think harder, Billy. The EMP is a side effect. than nuclear explosion. Yeah, yeah, exactly what I said. A non-nuclear EMP is being worked on, but the range of power would be low.

Of course, then it could be targeted. Yeah, so the EMP then becomes a target for the nuke. Got it. All right, we've got a great interview. If you want to actually listen to more about the Industrial Revolution and the Luddites, which I think I'm Team Luddite, you'll have to listen to the interview. They get a bad rap. They do. They do. When you think Luddite, you think somebody that just, like, is dumb, too dumb to use technology.

Not the case. Not the case at all. The Luddites kind of rocked. And we're probably about to see another Luddite movement. All right. So we're going to get into our interview with Brian Merchant. Here he is. All right. We welcome on a very special guest to Macrodosing. It's Brian Merchant. He wrote, well, it looks to be an awesome book. I can't wait to read it. It's called Blood in the Machine. It comes out on September. 26th. It's about the Luddites and the Industrial Revolution. And I am, I'm pumped to read about this because there's a blind spot in history that I've got. I don't know that much about it, but it seems awesome. It seems like it's also relevant to, uh, to the times that we live in right

now. So Brian, thank you for joining the show. Yeah, thanks for having me. So, um, where do we want to start with this? Do you want to maybe share a little bit about your background, how you got into writing about this sort of thing? Yeah, sure. Uh, so I, I've been a, journalist for 15 years now ages. And when I started out, it was pretty, you know, pretty run-of-the-mill. Tech companies put out their products and you write about them and, you know, they're getting bigger and bigger and apples, you know, beginning its quest for world domination, Amazon the same and Google. So we weren't really all that critical or as critical as we could be in the mainstream tech press. So I was working for Vice at the time.

So we got to be a little snappier. But for a long time, these tech giants, they got to do pretty much whatever they wanted. They were beloved by the public. Everybody uses their products. And it's not until there's a few red flags that start going up that we start to go, well, wait a minute, what's going on here?

Especially when we start to get into automation and artificial intelligence. And it starts hitting people closer to home. It starts transforming the way that people work, right? Like Uber and Lyft seemed really cool at first. And then fast forward 10 years down the line. And people are barely making a living wage, even though they're driving for 60 hours a week. And now we got Open AI coming along.

And they're trying to sell all these products that say, hey, you know, if you hire illustrators right now, we've got something that can automatically generate images for you. You don't need those illustrators anymore. you might not need copy editors. You might not need administrators. You might not need all these these workers. So all of a sudden, we're feeling a lot more sort of stress, a lot more anxiety over the changes that these big tech companies have been making over the last 10 years. And I started looking into the Luddites before this most recent wave of AI, but really when sort of gig work was on the seen and was starting to make some people pretty miserable. It was doing some good things,

doing a lot of bad things. So I've stumbled upon this story of the Luddites, which we all, myself included, completely misunderstood, right? If you think of Luddite, you think of someone who's an idiot, somebody who hates technology, somebody who's got a knee-jerk reaction, somebody who doesn't know how to use an iPhone or just hates progress in general. But it turns out that that's all wrong. And we can talk about, you know, why that is and who the Luddites really were and what they really stood for during the industrial revolution that you mentioned. All right, cool. So in my understanding of the industrial revolution, it began when people figured out that you could use steam to power machines and mass produce things. And everything beforehand was done like in-house.

People would make their own clothes, make their own housewares. There would be, you know, blacksmith things that, you know, you would go around town and get from various people who had various trades and crafts that they practiced. And then once mass production starts, started a hit. It's like all these people started to lose a leather income and more and more people were just being taught how to run the machines as opposed to actually make the things that everybody was purchasing. And that consolidation of wealth and consolidation of, I guess, skills among the working class translated into a group of people called the Luddites that just stood up and said, hey, no moss. Like we don't, this is not good. We see where this is going. And it's

kind of it's ironic because we do think of them as being uh you know let it's it's they're a step behind progress right like you're willfully pushing against progress in any way shape or form but in reality they were like five steps ahead where they could see where this is all going and they said this is going to be bad for everybody i know it's nice to be able to buy clothes and you know get a lot of things that maybe weren't available on a mass produced level earlier but ultimately this is going to lead to some bad stuff down the line so who was who were the first Luddites, and how do they consolidate together? Yeah.

Yeah, that's pretty much right. So the Luddites were, before they became the Luddites, they were cloth workers. And, you know, you can kind of sort of compare the Luddites to sort of maybe creative workers, people who are doing gig workers today or before they were doing gig work if they were driving a cab, if they had a better job, or if they're, you know, doing that kind of illustration. they were never sort of, they were never super rich or super prosperous, but they were kind of the middle class, sometimes even, even sort of more comfortable. They were doing all kinds of clothwork.

And this is the biggest sort of job set, sort of segment in the industrial revolution. Well, before the industrial revolution kicks up pace, it's already the biggest sort of industry in England is cloth making, working with wool, working with cotton, working with lace and silk and that kind of thing. So Britain really was like, that's why it happened in Britain. It's because they were primed to have this huge sort of industrial base, let term be mechanized. And when that started happening, those cloth workers were so numerous that they could really make some noise.

There was a lot of laws on the books. You couldn't organize. You couldn't, you couldn't form a union. That was against the law. You couldn't even sort of just sort of gather together and say, hey, this sucks. This is, we don't want to be forced into this factory. We don't want you to use this machine.

We don't want you to cut our wages. So they really had very few options. So we're talking about 1800 or so when we really start to see these machines begin to be used in a certain way. And I think it's important. The Luddites and the cloth workers, they were actually really good at technology. They had the tech in their house, though. They had it in their cottages.

You know, you might have heard the term cottage. industry. It comes from these cloth workers who had like the loom or the or the stocking frame and they had it either in a small shop or like at home. They were working from home with their families and they had a pretty nice situation. It's what they what they protested was less the actual use of machinery. But when a handful of rich guys said, okay, what we're going to do is we're going to put all those machines in a giant building. We're going to call it a factory. We're going to make it Six stories high. There's going to be no windows. And you're going to do what I say when you're working for me. And I'm going to pay you a wage. You're not going to pay, like you were saying,

you're not going to pay the merchant who's going to do the cloth. You're not going to have any autonomy. So that's as much what the Luddites were fighting against as anything, more than the march of technology. They were fighting the march of this factory system, which they really saw as like a system of domination. Like they were going to be put under the thumb. And they, like you said, they were five steps ahead. They were absolutely right. Once the factory owners started doing this, it's all down there.

The reason that so many of us work in offices, which is based off of the factory or in actual factories, is because those industrials won that battle. But I guess we're getting ahead a little bit. I'm going to push back on you real quick. So the Industrial Revolution, they start building factories. It gave a lot of kids great jobs and taught them great skills.

Right? taught them how to be grown-ups. Right. It taught the eight-year-olds how to like push their hands into a spinning gear fast enough that they didn't get it chopped off because if they didn't, it would be. Yeah, no, that's absolutely right. The jobs were being, we call economists call this deskilling. When you have like a skilled job, somebody does a good job, has done for a long time. And then you can use a machine to kind of do a worse job, probably, but for cheaper. And then you hire, yeah, a child or an unskilled. worker or a migrant or at that time a woman who it took to work to work the machine and yeah it's it's super deadly if you you you know kids are getting torn up by these machines quite literally you know killed by by the by the conditions in these in these factories and the Luddites saw that too and they thought that they should fight against that so the Luddites really finally come together when they have tried for like a decade from 1810

From the year 1800 or 1801 or so, until 1811, they're lobbying government. They are staging peaceful protests. They're doing everything they can think of to try to get some wage protections. They want minimum wages. They want at least some sort of protections against the machines. They come up with all these ideas that are more what we would think of coming from someone like Andrew Yang today, which is like, hey, why don't you tax the machine a little bit? Give us a little bit of money to retrain ourselves.

They put that stuff forward 200 years ago, and they were just completely ignored, of course, and they really just finally had their backs up against the wall. And then there's this perfect storm. They got a war with Napoleon going on. Taxes are high. There's a bad harvest. And then finally, sort of the entrepreneurs make this push and say, okay, we're really going to start automating everything. And then they'll let it say, you know what?

No. And they really sort of stand up. And it gets violent in about 1811. Billy, what were you going to say? I was just going to ask, so you were talking about how the Luddite movement was more kind of anti- oligarchy in a way and not exactly machine oriented. How would that reflect today? We're seeing this, you know, we're going to get to it in a little, but we're seeing AI. Everyone's scared of how it's going to be the next industrial revolution.

We're going to be moving in progress so much faster, just like the industrial revolution, you know, the difference between. 1810 and 1910 is it like 10 times more than 1710 to 1810 we're in 2023 i mean the jump to 21 23 is going to be faster than anything we've seen how do you think we're going to be able to you know prevent it from what would be your solution to the change we're about to see in the next you know 100 years yeah i mean so the the same thing is The same principle is pretty much true today. You're absolutely right. That's a good way to frame it.

They were not anti-machine. They were anti-oligarchy or anti-sort of the 1% getting all the gains from the machines. And they still have to do this work. That's the thing. If they want to eat, then they might not be able to work at home anymore. They're just going to have to go in the factory or their kids are going to have to go in the factory. So they're still going to have to do this stuff. They're still going to have to work.

It's just the work is a lot less dignified. The work is a lot more brutal. So today, I think a good thing to look at is what the writers and actors and sort of illustrators are fighting against right now, which is if you look at it, the writers aren't saying we don't want, we don't want AI to exist. We don't want AI to come. We don't want to ignore it. But we don't want the studio bosses to be the ones to say how it's going to be used.

And they both think that if studio bosses get carte blanche to do whatever they want, then A, they're going to make a bunch of really shitty movies. They're just going to press the button and churn out crap. And B, they're going to be able to hit that button. And then they're still going to call in the writers and say, look, this thing sucks. ChatGPT can't write a good movie yet. So we need somebody to come in and fix it and maybe even rewrite the whole thing. But look, we just don't want to pay you to do that the same way that we were paying you before.

So if you look at what's going on, it's a way that. that they can break down pay structure. It's a way for power to sort of use this new technology that they maybe don't even care about that much. It's an opportunity for them to justify paying people less. So the big question isn't, you know, do we just say no to this technology, which I think is not the answer? But it's saying like, what do we do now to sort of make sure that we can distribute power better or distribute the gains better or give more people say over how it's going to be used in their lives. So that's kind of an open question. I mean, union power is one way to do it. But, you know, right now it's, you know, the writers and the actors

can do this because they have strong unions. You know, a freelance illustrator can't really do the same thing if they're worried that their clients are going to start using AI. So they have to do other things. So we really have to start thinking about different ways of approaching the technology making, I think the first step is saying, hey, the problem isn't the technology. It's who gets to use it and who gets to tell everybody else this is the way it's going to be. And I don't think we want a society where a handful of people can just say, all right, this is how AI is going to be used. You're going to lose your job.

Your job is going to be degraded. You're going to have to move over there and do something else. We all want to say in how that gets negotiated. Interesting. I was going to say, interesting. A vantage point that I had never thought about until one of my friends who is a huge painter. She paints for like a bunch of like, you know, big name people and she's like really good at what she does. One of the one of the points that she brought up was that it's, it's kind of like intellectual property theft because AI has no reference point other than its barrage of images on the internet, which are other artists doing work, right?

And that in itself is an issue. And so I want to get your vantage point on on that as well as the, I guess, the side of actually litigating this kind of stuff. Because, I mean, just now, I mean, the vessel that we're using to talk via Zoom, they just updated their preferences in their terms and agreements, I mean. And one of the, one of the tenants, I read some of it, one of it is that they're allowed to use any of their. anything that we say in all of our images, right? And they're allowed to use that and incorporate that and give it to AI. And so to me, again, that's intellectual property theft. Like, we're agreeing to these terms and agreements, but it's very new.

And so, like, that side of things needs to be attacked vehemently, but you've got Congress people, you know, in the hospital because they fell. So it's hard to, it's hard to, it's hard to attack that. But I want to get your vantage point on that. Yeah, no. your artist friend is absolutely right and this it became clear because what they've been doing this for a long time and we didn't really notice because we you know they prime the pump basically by giving us access to social media all these things for so long and that that stuff is that stuff

is public so artists get used to just kind of sharing their stuff on social media sharing links to websites that are built by the big tech companies uh right creators, everybody does that. And so they've been training these models for years and years. They didn't really tell, especially the artists

or the creators what they were doing until now. And they train their models so fully and directly on those artists' work that it was to the point, at least in the beginning, where you could just type in

to Dolly, which is OpenAI's image service or mid-journey and say, I want art that's like, you know, that's like Picasso or somebody who's still alive. Like, you know, a big one was Molly Crabapple, who does a bunch of illustrations and has shared her stuff online a bunch. And it would just, you know, it would just spit out an image that was just basically crib from their style completely. And it was obviously that it had just plagiarized that.

So you have this situation where all of a sudden, if you're just buying a mid-journey subscription and you're a big, company, you can just go like, I want art like this. And the artist gets completely boxed out of the situation. And the artists are firing back by filing class action lawsuits saying, hey, we never consented. We never said it was okay for you guys to use these images. And now you can just rip us off without us getting any, we don't even get, you know, pennies on the dollar whenever you do that. So it's absolutely, a lot of people call it like a plagiarism machine because that's what it's doing. It's really people, it looks cool, right? When you use it, it's got like that flashing cursor or you put it in. You can get some kind of cool looking stuff and it types out a

text for you. It's to do this in the style of whatever. But that's all it's doing. It's reorganizing information that's been on the internet, that's been in books, that's been, you know, in paintings and pictures and all that. And it's just spitting them back out. It does it in a smart way in a way that makes us look, that look at it with sort of, you know, new, new eyes. But it's really just that. It is a plagiarism machine. I sympathize completely with all those artists who are fighting back. So how we fight back is like a big question how those artists get a foothold because, yeah, it's going to be a tough battle because you basically have to argue that just by teaching the machine with these pictures, you know, that you are, that you're doing.

plagiarism or that you're infringing on someone's intellectual property. And there may be a case there, but it really depends on, on sort of the courts that it goes through because you could, you know, right now the precedent is like you said, it's old. It's like, oh, if you read a book and then write something in that style on your blog, that's not illegal, but we're not machines, and the machines have so much more sophistication and capacity to rip stuff off. So, yeah, I mean, I wish I had more faith in Congress to sort of step up and do something that would actually protect artists and creators. But it's going to be a long road. And it's going to be, it's going to take a lot of noise making, if anything like that's going to happen.

I want to get back to the Luddites in a second, back to the Industrial Revolution. But I have to ask, like, as a tech journalist, do you actually, do you read every terms of service that you come across? Like, when you sign up for a new app, are you like, well, got to dig into this because who knows what's in here? Absolutely not. All day, man. Like, that would be your day. If you, every time Zoom pushes out a new user agreement,

every time Google does it, if we, you know, a lot of, there's actually been really interesting legal argumentation that says, you know, a lot of terms of service aren't even valid because you're not enforceable, right? Like a reasonable person doesn't have the time to sit down and read every paragraph when they're signing up for an app because they're trying to pay for a parking spot outside on a city road. No. Right. Exactly. It's completely unreasonable. And you can get a lot of that stuff kind of thrown out. The tech companies are very good at sort of making reams of it. So you just kind of go, yeah, whatever. So they at least have a case. But even they know that it's somewhat negotiable. And the Zoom, and it is also liable to change after a backlash. So the Zoom thing, after the Zoom, someone noticed the Zoom's update of their user agreements, which was. That's one of the worst that I've ever seen.

It's like, we can do what right now, we're talking on Zoom. And according to their terms of service update, they can do anything they want with this. They could feed it into AI. They could make a promo video. They could promote it on Zoom's website. They could resell it. They could turn it into a comedy sketch. They can do whatever they want with this video.

And then so after that backlash, they're like, actually, we agree not to train AI on this. But we can still do everything else. So I think we should still be thinking about, you know, the AI is maybe the scariest thing because nobody wants a weird pixelated replica of them released on the internet, you know, just trained on this video or whatever. But they can still do all that other stuff. All they had to do is step back and say, you know what, we're not going to feed you into the AI machine. But everything else, we can take this video, cut it, chop it, sell it, license it, make money off of it. We can do all of that. We can store it indefinitely. An archive of this video is going to sit on Zoom servers in forever, for as long as they want it to be.

But they've said that they won't train AI on it anymore. So what are where these lines are? You are the product, right? We're the product right now. Real quick question, man. So I don't know shit about technology. Like I'm fairly, you know, savvy. I stream. I play video games. I got social media. So I'm fairly aware of what's going on. But from my very novice position, I feel like there has to be some kind of, you know, as a tech journalist, there has to be something that you've ran across to where like coders or, you know, people that make this shit have like a fail safe, you know, that says if it gets to this point, like, we.

got to do this. You know, like, like, there has to be like some kind of like, you know, you know, re-deconstructing of a, of a deep fake video or something that says, if we run it through this, it's easy to tell. You know, there has to be some kind of fail-safe that somebody is working on. If not, we're just a whole bunch of Frankensteins and it's just like, it's a free for it. I just refuse to believe, you know, I'm a pessimist of all pessimists, but I believe there's some people out there like that are aware of the problem, but like, no, we got these fail-safs, dog, and I got you. Yeah. I mean, I wish there were better ones. I mean, people try to do it. To your point earlier on, even the tech worker, even the people who are coding this stuff, you know, 99% of them are, you know, are more like you and I, but they're not calling the shots. They're writing the code. They're doing the engineering. They're figuring things out. But that oligarchy still exists within the tech companies too. So ultimately, it's Sam Altman and those guys who are making, who are making, who.

are making the calls and decide how this gets to be used and they have like some tools like they have a they actually discontinued it but for a while they had a tool that said well this this can sort of at least tell uh you if if some if a block of text was made by open a i you can run it back through its machine and then it'll say this was a i generated uh but they discontinued it because it wasn't accurate enough because again it's just washes of text that that machines are just spinning out. Sometimes there's no rhyme or reason to it. And one of the big things that people are fighting for are at sort of like the lowest level. It's just like watermark this. People want to say, hey, this was made by AI. This image was made by AI. This video was made by AI. This song was

made by AI. That's got to be a rule. Right now it's not. Right now it's a free for all. So there are really smart tech people who probably do have some good solutions about how to do stuff like that or how to how to sort of you know on deepfake deepfakes as you were saying who have the technological capacity but the problem is is that we're living in a situation where you know open ai has a partnership with microsoft right google is the other one doing i you know amazon owns most of the web infrastructure it's truly an oligarchy of tech companies you have like five big tech companies and they're calling all the shots so unless you can get to the executive level of those companies, you got to change it.

That's, that's what, I guess this is my question. Who's the bad guy? Because the guy's writing it is like on some Nuremberg trial stuff where it's like, I'm just doing my job and they're writing a code for this shit that is catastrophic for our society. Yeah. Who are the bad guys? Who do we point out and say, you motherfucker is you?

I had to Google. Yeah. I mean, it is. You got to aim the fire at, at the executives of these companies because they've got the power. they've got the decision-making capacity. They're calling the shots. And it's, yeah, it's, it is, you know, it's not really much of a surprise. It's these guys.

It's, it's Jeff Bezos. It's the C-suite at Google. It's, you know, Sam Altman is, he talks a good game out there and says, oh, you know, we got to be careful with how we're doing this because we don't want anybody to get her. And they're still doing it. They're still, they're just pumping the gas with the other foot while they're doing that, while they're saying, yes, come, come regulate us, you know, we welcome Congress to sort of look at what we're doing. And he's just got his foot on the pedal the whole time.

Because he knows that Congress isn't going to be able to do anything. Like he knows that who is in Congress, like Arian alluded to. Like, if you watch a congressional hearing with anybody from a tech company, it's questions that were prepared by a staffer who like at probably crowdsourced their own questions to ask this person. And then they're fed to a congressperson who has no idea what they mean, and there's a complete inability to do any follow-up questions to whatever answers that tech companies give to them. And so that's, if I was, if I was ahead of a company that was heavily leveraged in AI right now, I would absolutely welcome congressional inquiries. It's like, yeah, what are you going to ask me? Like,

is this robot going to take my granddaughter's job? No, sir. No, absolutely not. That's not going to happen. And then you just move on to the next question. Yeah, Billy? What do advocates say is going to be the, you know, solution to the frictional unemployment of AI because when they say new technology is coming, it's going to create new jobs elsewhere. I don't really see where AI is going to create new jobs and hope you probably know both sides better. What are they saying is going to be the benefit of this? Yeah. I mean, it's the same kind of thing that is said over and over. I think the difference that we're seeing now is in the previous industrial revolutions, the advocate it's for, you know, for more automation, more mechanization, they could say like, well, look,

you know, yes, this is causing a lot of pain to a lot of people, but now we can make clothing cheaper or, you know, a hundred years later, it's now we can make cars cheaper or we can make machines cheaper. Now we get into interesting questions of, well, what's getting made cheaper here? Like, art that people makes? Like, do we really have a really high demand to get more sort of like internet gifts like automated by like pressing a button like do we need oh yeah memes more memes yeah right now what you're suggesting is that we should artificially reduce the amount of epicness that happens online by by saying that we shouldn't automate I want my gifts faster I want them more people want a wave of them to wash over you yeah

memes of production so but it's and now when every time that happens it's like it is a question that we have to negotiate, like, okay, now, like, if we want that stuff cheaper and cheaper, then, like, yeah, we risk losing out on having a whole section of the economy where creative people are making stuff. Like, is it important to us that we can have even that stuff, even like our cultural products, even our movies and film and TV shows and, you know, pop songs? Do we want all that stuff to be made by AI? I think that's a real question.

and do we want it to be made by AI, knowing that if we do, that the people who actually made all the stuff in the past are losing out? So I think it is like a bit more of a loaded question this time because we, you know, we can try to make that decision and make that call and we can put up guardrails that sort of protect people that do this stuff. They can still use the technology, but we got to find ways to protect the people who, if we think that's important, if we think it's important, that there are people who are actually, you know, having opinions on podcasts and having real conversations. And if it's not just a bunch of automated voices sort of talking over each other. Yeah, I was fine with AI taking everybody's job until he said podcasters. Now I'm on the side of the Luddites on this one. Can we jump back to the Luddites? Because I have a couple questions about them and their movement. So they start smashing factories, destroying machines,

going after some of the oligarchs, the people that are instituting these brand new factories, were they able to accomplish any of their goals? Did they make any incremental change or did they influence the Industrial Revolution in a way that benefited them? Or was it kind of all resistance is futile? No, they actually did a good, the irony of that is wild to use a Borg reference. They're a completely automated species, man. That's wild.

Yeah, they made some real gains for a while, especially. And the other thing that we need to talk about is that their opposition was basically the British Army. So the crown, the prince at the time, Prince Regent, who was ruling England and his administration, they sent just tens of thousands of troops into the industrial districts to, put down the uprising by force. And just a quick note about what the Luddites were actually doing is that they were being smart and they were playing a public relations game too. So what they did, Ned Ludd was this was this mythical figure who either they made up or was kind of a legend at the time. It's hard to say like this kid who was forced to work in a factory for for a boss and he didn't want to do it. So the boss had him whipped and he got mad and smashed the machine and fled into Sherwood

Forest. This is happening in the same place where the Robin Hood legend is. So there's like a real culture of resistance of standing up and sort of a legend. So you know, you can even say Ned Lud, Robin Hood. They sound a lot of like. So they're probably inspired from the same material. So what they would do is they would organize these rating parties basically and they'd send like a letter.

or they'd post it to the factory wall and say, we know you've got 100 automating machines in there. If you don't take them down, you're going to get a visit from Ned Ludd's army. And sometimes the factory owner would go like, oh, shit, and they'd take them down and they'd be okay. But if they didn't, then they would either by night or at gunpoint, they would come in

and they would just smash the machines that were doing the automating. Basically, the factory owners were using to replace the workers or to degrade their jobs or having children run those machines. And they'd smash them and they'd leave and they'd leave them with a note. And they'd say, okay, if you, we've smashed them. We've taken away these machines. If you put them back, we're going to return and this time there'll be no mercy. We will burn the factory to the ground.

So they did that over and over and over all across the industrial districts of England, Manchester, Nottingham, York, Huddersfield. so and it was a completely decentralized movement where we don't even know how much communication they actually had all you needed to have was this figurehead ned lud or general lud or king lud and you could basically threaten factory owners and for a while they actually were really successful so in Nottingham they were like the factory owners were like no we don't want anything to do with this we'll restore wages we'll give you all raises just promise not to smash any more machines, this will be good. The problem is, is that you can't, like, factory owners,

you know, aren't all like a uniform unit, united bunch. So there's still going to be some saying, okay, well, if down the road, if he took down his machines, now I've got a profit opportunity. So I'll just ramp it up. I'll hire, I'll hire some soldiers to come in and guard the place. But I, so then they go like, well, well, he's got his backup. And then it just creeps back up over and over again. So without any actually like policy or laws or any understanding, it's hard to keep that at bay. But for about a year, you know, you really do see in some areas a lot of, a lot of progress made on wages and things. And then you see a lot of people coming together who have never talked about this stuff before. And some of that transitions

into sort of like reform movements where you're actually, you're figuring out how to sort of use, even if it's against the law, you figure out ways to sort of use your combined power. And it works in some cases. They do win some gains. And in some areas, like in Manchester, which was the biggest and fastest industrializing area, they actually got, they actually kicked out the automating machines for like 30 years. So they did win some resounding victories. But then the state fights back, thousands of factors, I mean, thousands of soldiers come occupy

the factories. They round up the Luddites. There are some really violent battles. Eventually, they just, they wear them down, right? Like, these are cloth workers. They're heroes. People love the Luddites at the time, which is really interesting when you think about, if you know the word Luddite today, you know it as the idiot, as we said up top. But back in the time, people would cheer the Luddites, like come out of their houses and root them on if they saw them smashing the machines. Like this was because they knew to, right? They knew they knew too if you're a shoemaker or if you're a steel worker or a coal worker rather. They know that what's happening in terms of workers being forced into the factory being forced that they had a phrase for it. They hated to stand at their

command. They didn't want to stand at anybody's command. Who would? So they knew that the factory system was going to come for them all. So they got support from people, from, you know, from apprentices, from students, from, you know, women who had lost their jobs to the machines decades ago. They got all this support. They were folk heroes for a while until the state just literally had to send in a domestic occupying force to crush them. And so fast forwarding to the modern era, now Jeff Bezos has his like robot dogs that he

can just sick on people that try to smash anything there. That's always concerning, right? When it's like, hey, here's a giant tech company. They're investing heavily in robot dogs. Who is asking for those? The AI robot dogs that they made? Yeah. That's the worst. Boston Dynamics plus AI. That's like what? Yeah. I want to kick it to Big T. I'm sure Big T's got something hot for you. Yeah. So you just mentioned like they had, the Luddites had some victories and people really like them, but I don't want to spoil the end of your book events that happened 200 years ago, but they don't really win. So today we have a similar economic and technological impasse, I guess. Do you see even enough resistance just in society to detrimental things with AI or technology that could be going on to even, you know, have a chance of stopping some of it?

Or do you are most people just, you know, most regular people, they see this. They have other problems to worry about. They don't really, you know, it doesn't matter. And even if there was, do you think it's past the point of stopping it? I mean, I don't think we're going to, we're going to stop it to the point where AI is going to disappear in this way, in the way that it's being used. We're not going to put that genie back in the bottle, most likely. But AI is unique. And you see this every so often.

It happened with automation. Again, it happened with the Luddites. But you see these polls coming back. People that usually don't really give a shit about technology or have kind of wishy-washy feelings about big tech. People react to AI and are worried about AI in a way that is somewhat unique. And it's a galvanizing force. So you see people supporting the writers in the apps.

actors, even though, you know, as try as the studios might, to sort of cast them as a unrelatable lot. You know, they're making movies. They're big Hollywood or whatever. But no, people say, I don't want AI coming for my job either. So I support the writers, not the studios. You see a lot of, a lot of sort of, I don't know, like sort of growing solidarity around this. I'm in L.A. and there's strikes all over. It's not just sag. It's not just, it's not just the actors. It's not just the writers. People are going on strike, you know, in the city, people are going on strike at hotels. People are going on strike against app work. And, you know, we've seen what's happened at Amazon. So like, I would say

that there is a potential right now, specifically around AI. It's a galvanizing force. And it can sort of, it can sort of inspire people to sort of, to sort of stand up. And the tech companies kind of recognize that. You look back at the last year, and it seems like all we've been hearing about AI and AI can do this and AI can do that, well, a lot of that's manufactured because they know that they've got to yell, they got to promote this stuff all out. And you notice when they do say, we got to be worried about this, it's not about, they don't really talk about jobs much.

They talk about like, oh, it's the, we want to be, we want to make sure we do this right so we don't cause the apocalypse. That's how powerful our technology is. it could cause like a nuclear holocaust it could become skynet well that's like seven steps down the line but they're focusing on that because that lets them get away with all the smaller stuff in the meanwhile so they know that they have like a small window to try to sell as much of this stuff to companies as they can uh they're trying to sell enterprise AI software that's where the money is they're trying to sell things to clients like Microsoft to like factories to smaller businesses

to, you know, consultancy firms, that kind of stuff. And once people sort of recognize what's at stake, I do think a lot of people are going to be angry and willing to sort of push back. They're about to mess up by fucking with the wrong people, the truckers. The trucking industry is one of the first targets for AI, at least from what I've read, where, okay, you're still going to need truckers to drive the last mile,

the last two miles, whatever the case may be, when it comes to driving in cities smaller roads things get a little bit more dicey they can't just use software for as reliable as you know the open road but once they start fucking with the truckers the truckers are always looking for a fight these guys and and god bless them because they've been they've been kicked around for the last 30 40 years they've been at the at the whim of the big bosses and so i feel like once AI comes with the truckers jobs they can just hit the brakes and just clog up the highway system, mess up the roads, and then now they've got the upper hand,

then they give kind of a blueprint. Obviously, not every industry can clog up highways. But if they go for the truckers first, the truckers will be the ones that step up and push back against them. Then that gives a blueprint to every other industry being like, hey, you can do something about this. You can fight back against these people.

Yeah. Yeah. I'm glad you mentioned that. And you mentioned that a lot of these anger, a lot of this anger and, and sort of the protest, right? It's not just about AI, but it's after you've been kicked around for years and years that it sort of culminates in this.

And then the company say, like, well, actually, we want to, you know, do your job with AI. And then that's the last straw a lot of time. And there's a reason that I, you know, Andrew Yang, that's the example he uses with, with truckers, because you have a, in a lot of jobs, in a lot of states, rather, that's the best paying or the largest. job, especially for people without a college degree. So you have more truckers in some states than any other job. And we've seen the same thing happen to them that have happened to a lot of other. You know, the writers and the actors, they complain about the gigafocation, you know,

of their jobs. The truckers, 100 percent, their jobs have been gigafied and made precarious. And they don't, it's not the same sort of stable job that it was 20 years ago. They have to, be more flexible. They have to run more hours. They have to work through contractors rather than big companies. And then, yeah, when the automation starts, when the AI starts, you have a powerful, you know, industrial worker base right there, like you're saying. And they could absolutely stand up. And they could absolutely, you know, just barricade a highway and say, you know what, no. And that's, and that's like the Luddite spirit is saying, is saying no. when you have moral and economic justification for doing so.

And they could absolutely do it. You're right. One of my last questions, but what do you think the intent behind a guy like Elon Musk? He helped fund open AI so that people could see what this technology could do. He was called Speciesist by, I think, Sam Altman, it was when he was like, what are we going to do about this? And that's sort of the new term, I think.

That's going to be the new derogatory to someone who's anti-AI specious. Like what? just because this being isn't like organic that it's it doesn't have a right to work but do you think he's really yes i will say yes i agree with that it might be a hot take that non-organic beings yeah yeah yeah this is going to look bad i'm this is going to look very like my grandkids are going to be watching this be like granddad was a fucking species No, I mean, canceled in the year 2180. But, no, but do you think that he's one of these people who's just sounding the alarm and being like, oh, it's going to cause the apocalypse and the matrix and they're going to be just harvesting our body warm for energy?

Or do you think he's an actual Luddite in the true spirit where he believes and he wants humans to still have life and still have a use? You know, I think I think he Elon Musk is legitimately concerned Like I think he is actually concerned About the apocalypse scenario He's he's traced some of the threads And he thinks that it's a possibility

That down the line You know, he's always He's not always as concerned with sort of The conditions of people like right now I think he's that's why he's always thinking about Mars And he's thinking about you know Years down I think but his

He's an off the whole bunch of Twitter employee, didn't he? Yeah, he cut high, fired half of them, maybe 75% at this point. Yeah, so I don't, he's worried about, or I think he thinks that there's a real chance that AI could, you know, become sentient

and, you know, it's a, you know, and, you know, put, hit the red button on the nuclear bomb. You know, personally, I don't really think we need to be worried about, about that as much. But his fight with Sam Altman is more, I think, you know, personal vendettas.

Paul, he kind of got, he kind of got treated badly there he thought or pushed out and he's now, and Sam, he sees Sam Altman coming up, getting all this influence and sort of disregarding the things that he's saying. So I think they, I think they've got some personal beef. That's, that's my read there. I, Elon Musk is definitely not a true, a true Luddite. I just don't think those things concern him on like the, on the day-to-day level. know, he doesn't, he doesn't really care about, like, conditions in his Tesla factory as long as they're cranking out Teslas. He's, he's more concerned about sort of the big picture and whatever makes him, you know, the most amount of money. That leads, like, it's a perfect segue to my next question, man. I kind of want you to speak on, I mean, you know, studying the Industrial Revolution and just labor relations with ownership in general and a capitalist society. I I want to get your thoughts on how the progress is worth the rewards, I mean, the risk versus rewards of automation, of all of these things, and how ownership via propaganda always

somehow convinces people this is, this is in your best interest. And you've seen it from day one early on in the 1700s to today and how we continue to have people banging for billionaires on a day-to-day basis. You still have Elon stands, all these stands that just continue because they have that carrot in front of them chasing that their one day is going to be you. And it's not. But like, can you speak to that mindset of like, you know, I heard a great analogy one time. It's like, you know, an axe convincing a tree that it's one of them because it's made a wood. Like that there's a brilliant analogy to I think what goes on in our economic structure. I love that.

I love that analogy and I love this question because it's the answer is they've had to work at it from day one. So when the Luddites go to trial, they go to the state goes to work. And they immediately start, you know, calling these guys, you know, depraved, you know. know, deluded, rioter. Like, how could they're, they're breaking the machines that, that offer them employment. How could they be so stupid? They have to, they have to go on a propaganda campaign from day one, say, trying to convince the public that these Luddites were, were as we know them today, because their propaganda campaign worked, because we're still calling people who, who, who don't like technology Luddites, or we're still, we're still calling

Luddites, anybody who says, like, well, is this such a good idea to give Amazon, like, all unlimited power over, and they shut up Luddite, that's, it's still, it's still in that framework. And it's because of a concerted effort by the victors, the very first factory owners who, who won the battles against the Luddite. We didn't quite get to it. But basically, the state sort of sent soldiers right into the, into the factories to work directly with the industrialists as mercenaries, basically. So they join forces. And you see this for maybe one of the first times to they start just shooting down Luddites

as they start showing up to the factories. And that's when the uprising gets the most violent. The Luddites make a tactical error eventually. And they just, they do, like, they fight back and they assassinate a capitalist in cold blood. And that's kind of when they lose popular steam. but it took that much it took that union of the state and of industry and the crown at the time to sort of mount that counteroffensive that's what it took to beat back popular support they had to they had to print all these proclamations describing how stupid the luddites were and how backwards

it was and then that combined with well look what happens if you fight back you get shot down You get gun down, and you will end up in a pool of blood outside of a factory if you, if you fight back with force, and if you fight back peacefully, we're just going to laugh at you. So those are your choices. And over the years, that basic attitude that to oppose technology is, to oppose the, like a factory system, to oppose a system that allows a handful of, again, We can call it oligarchs, basically. It's essentially that with all the power to decide how technology gets used. Who works for them under those technological regimes to say, that's a bad idea. You get branded a Luddite.

It has to be reinstilled generation after generation. They have to say that. There's a scholar, Theodore Rozak. He has a great quote. It's like, if the Luddites didn't exist, then these guys would have to invent them. because they need a boogeyman. They need someone that they can pretend doesn't understand the big picture,

doesn't get that, oh, down the line, there's going to be jobs, there's going to be prosperity for everyone. Well, it's been 200 years, and it always plays out the same way. The 1% fattenes their pockets, and everybody else has to deal with shitty jobs, the day-to-day worrying about losing their jobs,

worrying about losing their jobs to a machine. Bootstraps, baby. Pull them up. That's right. And so what I would say real quick to the other part of your question, which is that, oh, you know, eventually, yeah, we do catch up. We do figure out, well, guess what?

Workers get together. They figure out how to fight back, get a little bit more of the gains from technology. But it's after sometimes decades of suffering and a miseration getting fucked up in these factories. So it doesn't have to be that way. That's my underlying. It doesn't have to be that way. We can find a way to use AI that's cool that still gives working people their dignity and, like, lets them create cool shit and, you know, feed their families.

It doesn't have to be this way where we listen to whatever Sam Altman says and gives him all the power to do whatever he wants. We can say, we can say no to a lot of that stuff. We really can. So along that line, I'm going to play devil's advocate theoretically. Please. And just not on what you said, because you speak. speaking my language, I'm, I'm with you. But just from a cognitive dissonance standpoint, is there something technology gives,

AI gives that you like, hey, man, it might fuck with jobs, but God damn, is it convenient? Is there something like that? Or are you losing a little bit of credibility if you admit that shit? No, no, no. These things are not mutually exclusive. That's the whole point. Like, I like, like, you know, I don't care. I'll, like, I'll use, you know, once we get it figured out, I don't.

you know, we can all make AI Drake songs, if that's what we wanted to. You know, I don't care. Like, it's cool. Like, man, they, you, AI can write your cover letter and do, like, menial shit, like, write emails. Do, do that, especially stuff that's definitely not taking somebody's job like that. Like, AI could do a pretty good job of, like, you know, writing up your, you know, your travel agenda in a city if you don't want to do a bunch of research or sort of, yeah, write your resume or something because it can just pull from you, whatever, that saves you a couple hours, that's cool.

There's a lot of things that AI can do. Again, we just always got to be looking at, like, okay, what's the context? Who is going to benefit from this? Who's going to lose out? And, you know, if we lived in a fairer society where it wasn't just a handful of vampires sort of sucking value out of everything

that everybody else was doing, then we could just, we could all sort of be using AI all day long if we wanted to and it would wait there's nothing wrong great crazy idea is there a reality where AI just makes no one have to work and we just all chill and consume and just like sell our data as currency like is that a possibility like talking about building communism baby let's do it yeah that i mean AI communism kind of down if it's like the one like allocating for what you do Yeah, fully automated luxury communism, right? You're kind of down.

Yeah, well, I mean, again, it's always about the systems who holds a power. There's a famous economist, John Maynard Keynes, who he made this famous prediction about a hundred years ago saying, given the rate of technological advancement and production, you know, we're all going to be working at most 10 hours a week by like the year 2000 or something. it's and he had it's a I mean he was a big deal like he was sort of like the economist of the day he's still the guy that a lot of economists and policy wonk's site and he really thought that looking at the way things were going how much machines could create that pretty soon like we would have an optional 10 hour work week if we just like wanted something to do but it didn't work out that way because of the people who managed to capture all the gains instead of distributing them into more equitably to everybody. It's just got concentrated more and more at the top. So it turns out to be more of a question of power and less of one of technology. Keens was the reason I blew my first paycheck really fast. Spend more, consume, save less. That's right. It was like to simulate that economy. Yeah. Where's your where's your savings? Keens, bro. I read it. I love it, man. I love

it. Does anybody else have anything else? Because it's a great conversation, man. We kept about an hour, man. I don't know you got to get things. Does anybody got anything else? I emptied the clip. Thank you so much for coming on. Please come on again because we might need your consultation because we talk out of her ass on a lot of stuff we don't know about. I'm happy to you. This has been good fun, fellas. I love it. I do it. I do to say one thing before you shake, man. It's very trivial. I apologize. guys. Has anybody ever told you

you like Chandler from friends? Oh my God, man. I haven't heard that one since high school. People used to call me that in high school.

I see it. Wow. If you popped up on a screen, I was like, hey, yo, what all look alike to you, Aaron? I try to hide it

with the long hair. It's not working, I guess. It wasn't just me. All right, shout out to the high school or unless they were bullies and fuck them. I don't know.

They were cool. It's all good. Cool people. Shout out to them. Thank you for joining us, Brian. You can pick up his booking pre-order it right now. I actually pre-ordered it

while we were talking. So I'm fascinated by it. Excite to read it. Blood in the machine comes out September 26. I do kind of like Billy's vision of the future of just just chilling. Just let the robots do all the work. Then we just hang out all the time. Machines of loving grace, man. Let's do it.

Robot, bring me a course, right? Yeah, they had a, what was it called? The shit, the food maker and the Star Trek Enterprise. You just say what you want and they, bam, made it. Love it. All right. Thank you. Brian Merchant, Blood in the Machine, September 26. Pick it up. I'm excited to read it. Thank you for talking to us. All right. Cheers, guys. Okay, takeaways from the Brian Merchant interview. Luddites were kind of baller. Yeah.

We need to destroy AI. We need to be the Luddites of today. Find it and kill it. Yeah. Yeah. We're going to take back the word Luddite. We should. It's our word now. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I like that. We're saying it again. saying it yeah hell yeah the lot nights rocked um maybe some people say maybe they went a little bit too far i don't know maybe they didn't go far enough got their point across though they did um do you guys let's do some voicemails guys they're brought to you by game time the exclusive ticketing partner of barstable sports big t you went to a baseball game recently right three this past weekend how'd that go uh the braves went one and two so not not up to our standard but it was great because of game time. Yeah. And you met Matt

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Right, voicemails. Hey, what's up, guys? It's Tom from Massachusetts. You guys are all gorgeous, both internally and externally home. Internally. The question is, I forget what the name of the movie was.

It was books. It was like gold compass or something. But everybody, like, all the people have, like, little animal friends that, like, follow them around. Like, someone had, like, bears, like, polar bears. Some people have, like, little birds that they kind of communicate with and talk with. They were kind of, like, they're, like, bonded in a way.

I don't know. You know, I know Arian just hates all animals, so, like, wouldn't want anything. But, yeah, just wondering what animals everybody in the squad would want. Also, just need to know when the next album from Aryan is coming out. other than that guys I hope you have a good one and yeah it's a good question

it's a great question I'm actually I'm going to text Aaron he had to run out it's his daughter's birthday happy birthday to her I'm going to ask him when the next album's coming out

though so that guy can get an answer so he's talking about damens they're called in the in the book and it's really cool because basically they can transform

before they set in a certain animal and it was one of my favorite books but i don't think you can have a polar bear it's a damon i think that's the only rule that's the one that you can't yeah why not because there's a bunch of armored polar bears and svalbard and they aren't damans totally okay so but what's your answer to the question bill i feel like this is a good question for you what what small version of an animal would you want following you around?

I wish I could have a polar bear. I'm going to break some rules and say polar bear. Okay. Wait, so these are miniature versions of larger animals. Did I hear that correctly? Yeah. No, they can be large animals too. Oh, so it's just animals.

Just a bro, a bro animal. Yeah. Because it'd be sick to have like a mini lion, like a lion the size of a chihuahua. That would be sick. That'd be awesome. Or you can get a cat No

That's not the same thing I think I would go tiger over line Okay I like the stripes Or like a little tiny hippo That'd be cute Like the size of this You know what I would want

Like what if you had a giant bee Absolutely not Where the fuck did you come up with that horrible idea A giant deer A single hornet What is wrong with you Well if you had a giant bee And it was yours

It wouldn't fuck with you but nobody is going to mess with you if you had like a bee on a league like a be the size of um be on a leash a bee on a leash freak on a leash and it's the size of let's say the sign behind you yeah or um

just like a normal a lab like a yellow lab yeah it's horrifying and he had a yeah exactly nobody would ever fuck with you all it takes is one you forget lunchtime and that thing's going to be pissed at you no no my view my would be my boy. And you could, since it flies, you could sneak

attack people with it. And you could just buzz past people. Imagine how terrifying that would be. I'm going with the original misinterpretation that you had and I want a small hippo. Okay. That's cute. There's, you actually can't have a polar bear, but it just can't be a ponsor Bjorn. Thank you for clear.

Which is the ones with armway. Also, I'm getting flashbacks from that book and there's like, it's really fucked up. I'm wondering, like, like the worst thing is getting sliced away from your damon spoiler from a book 10 years ago and like there's a bunch of evil people doing it and like that's really funny billy football that would just follow me around everywhere and then I'd just lift so much more weight than it would just be pissed off all the time that's what I would want uh mad dog mackenzie you guys have an

answer the hippo's a good one from big tea but I don't want to like steal that maybe like a like a giraffe Okay That's like my size Are a little bit bigger So I could almost like ride it Maybe Polar Bear is a good one

Or I would just say like regular bear Just like a bear Brown bear Yeah Yeah Or a horse They have those You get one of those

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All right. One more. Yep. Hey, this is Erin from Wisconsin. And my question is, if you had a two-way door in your home that led anywhere in the world, you could come and go as you please, where would that be? Mine would probably be the Caribbean or summer warm with good food because we don't have those things in Wisconsin. Let me know what you think

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You end up in Vegas The It goes directly to the strip Memphis Bass Pro Shop pyramid Yeah It's a great spot Great spot Wonderful hotel there

Yeah It would probably either be that Or Fort Knox Would be a good one too Oh, that's a good call. The interior Fort Knox. Profitable. Yeah, just re-up.

But you know there's no real gold in there, right? What do you mean? The gold's fake. This is another diehard movie, I think. No, no, the gold's fake. They took all the gold and just pretend it's in there. Are you serious? Yeah.

Have you looked at the videos of them in the gold safe? I think this is. I have not looked at those. There had to be a congressional committee to go check that the gold's real. And where they find out? They're like, at least the first couple bars were real, but they don't know if the ones farther back are real.

They don't know if it's just concrete. So you just said that there is gold in Fort Knox? Yeah, there is gold, but they maybe not as much gold as they say there is. Did I just completely miss here the last 45 seconds of my life? This is just. No, no, but like they, like, we really don't know if the gold in there is real. What would prove it to you, Billy, if they let you? in there? They need to test every single bar of gold. Why? Because they, someone might have

questions. We can't prove that anything's real. Well, after, during the Great Depression, they bought up all the gold. This is just a conspiracy that I've heard. But it's fun to think about. You were just saying it as a complete fact. I know, because I'm podcasting. Okay, got it. Totally. Got it. That would be, that would kind of rock though, if there actually wasn't any gold. And we just said that. that we had the most. Yeah, that's like, it's literally the Wizard of Oz. Yeah. All right, I like where your head's at, Billy.

You just presented that in a strange way. All right, well, good voicemails guys. Well, Matt Don McKinsey, you guys have an answer? I would say, like, probably like a beach like her to, like Outer Banks, North Carolina. Yeah. Because I was used to go there. I love the Outer Banks. I don't want to sound like it.

I don't know. Like, maybe my parents' house so I could, like, see my dog whenever. Oh, that's actually really good one. That's, I don't know. That seems like the most limited mindset thing of all time. That's a good dog owner, though. It is a good dog owner. Yeah.

That's true. And to see my parents, but mainly to see my dog whenever I want. But that would just be like, you can still go see your parents. That's true. I know, but I can't, I don't have a, I can't. Anywhere in the world you could just walk into. I don't know. oh my favorite college bar my favorite college bar okay you are thinking very small limited mindset

right now you guys know I'm bad at this stuff I don't know oh a Taylor Swift concert yeah whatever whatever stadium that's not a place so-fi stadium today I don't know I don't know Vegas I think I don't think Vegas I don't I don't fuck with Vegas like that you could also just go to Vegas it's not that far away yeah but you could just walk onto the strip like think about all the dining opportunities that's that's why you'd want to go yeah is for the dining opportunities yeah you live in the city with like the best restaurants in the world right but do they it's expensive so is Vegas buffets and they they the Vegas food isn't as expensive as New York City so you're saying like the buffet at the win yeah so Billy might be a secret genius because I I don't like the idea of of him using Vegas so that he could just be in Vegas whenever he wanted. What Billy's really on to is the ability to walk back through that door and be home from Vegas in half a second.

Yes. That's the best part. The best part about Vegas is leaving Vegas. Yeah. Okay. Cool. Well, uh, that will do it for us this week on macrodosing. We're going to be back on Tuesday. I'll do a full recap of Donnie's wedding slash my extreme Irish vacation that I'm going on for 40, 40 hours. Enjoy.

Thank you. I will. I'm tracking down a kilt. I'm hot. I'm hot on the trail of a kilt. And we will see you guys then for nanodosing and then Thursday for macro dosing. All right. Love you guys.