Macrodosing: Arian Foster and PFT Commenter - How Oppenheimer Became The ‘Father of the Atomic Bomb’

Episode Date: July 20, 2023

On today’s episode the whole squad is back together to discuss Oppenheimer and The Manhattan Project. J. Robert Oppenheimer was an American physicist and director of the Los Alamos Laboratory during World War II who was known as the "father of the atomic bomb" for his role in organizing the Manhattan Project, the research and development undertaking that created the first nuclear weapons. Plus the guys get into NFL franchise tags, moving, country music, Adam22 drama and Billy gives a WILD take about atomic bombs.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/macrodosing

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but there's the unionization and the radicalization of the running back position in the NFL, where you saw a bunch of guys not get long-term. contracts. They're franchise tagging, Sequin Barclay, and he's threatening to sit out and basically saying, I'm not going to play. So running backs across the league more and more recently, it's been happening gradually, I think, over the last, like, I don't know, 12 years or so. But this year, it's a big talking point where running backs are kind of standing up for each other and saying, well, you're not ever going to pay us. We need to do something about this. You've got like big insight

into what happens at that position and how it's treated in the NFL. They're talking like Derek Henry is like I stand with all my running backs Jonathan Taylor is like I stand

with all my running backs out there. There's probably no good way to fix the problem because general managers what's that? There's a great way. You get rid of the franchise tag.

You get rid of that shit. It does nothing. It's the only sport, it's the only major sport with it like when people are up for free agency then you hit the market right it's the most it's the it's the it's the it's the most restrictive thing in professional sports and so it all it does is that right it's it's it's to devalue your market value that's that's that's exactly what it is and that's why the owners won't get rid of it because it does a good

job of what of what it does but also all these like i don't want to hear ESPN talking heads I want to hear none and maybe you were part of it too but motherfuckers for a decade and half maybe two decades have been talking about that the runnerback is devalued the runnerback is dime a dozen you can get them anywhere you can pick them up in third round you can pick anybody up anywhere talent is talent and you deserve to get paid like dog I spent two years behind a minimum salary because of that same thought process and so it's like and and I hate the talking point that they have the shortest careers that a short curse because it's the hardest fucking position to play and what i mean by that is it is it is the one

position in the NFL that if you the moment you you see you can see the moment that there's a drop off in productivity you can see that the year it happens there's like he's not what he used to be because it's so prevalent because the physicality of it is not like any of the position quarterback you can get away with it for years receiver you can get away with it for years lineman you could get away with every other position there's like this cushion to where cats can cannot play up to their best potential

but still be productive. At the running back position, if you are, it is the metric is way harsher and it's like, oh, he's dropped off, he's useless to us now. And that's and for, and it's a hard position to play, but for years, people have been devaluing the running back in the media

whereas you, the football used to be all about the running back. Remember back in the days of like E.D. and Walter Payton and played 13 seasons and Barry Sanders and like those kind of cats where it was all about the running back. It always comes back to the running back. I say this all the time. It always comes back to the running back cold weather games. Cold weather games always going to run a ball. Playoff football always going to run a ball and play D. That's how that's how you build championship teams. All the championship teams are built like that. But it's the devalue of over years and

years and years over the media talking about how, how low value running backs are, yada, yada, yada. And now this is the backlash of it. Katz is working their ass off and they don't get paid. I mean, you have rookies coming in making more than a runnerback will ever will that has actually done good. There's plenty of time. You see running backs takeover game all the time, but they're not valuable. That's fucking stupid. It's just dumb. They're one of the most valuable positions on the field, but we just don't look at it like that because. Because it takes way more, it's a way more physical position. And so, therefore, your longevity of being at the top of your game is shorter.

But for that reason, you should get paid faster. Yeah. We were saying the other day that removing the franchise tag from running backs in particular. Period. What's the point of them? Yeah. I mean, I actually don't know. And also put in incentivized production.

across the board across the board because if you have an undrafted rookie who comes out and has a thousand yard season has 10 plus touchdowns like you got millions of dollars of value you pay them pennies peanuts so incentivize all of this shit incentivize it like it's as a as a as a club but they're not going to do that because again in our society we don't value it's not we don't value workers we don't value labor we we value productivity but we don't we don't value the workers producing we all we do is value the contracts that we write up and it's just who who could write the who who could write the suite of bill on the side and it's fucking it's ridiculous how many how many quarterbacks you know that ain't this

shit in the NFL that got tens of met 50 million dollars and there's running backs in the league that have put in work in this league and have made a great you know have produced and they'll never get the the money they deserve not only that they have to deal with the physical ailments that some of these quarterbacks and some of these cats who are just getting thrown money at them that I've never had to deal with. Like, you know, I got lucky. I got, I got a good contract.

I got people running to take care of my money. But that's cats out here hurting. We can't even lobby for health care. Sorry, I'm on my fucking tangent. But we can't even lobby for health care for life if you play in the league. So like, these motherfuckers is full of shit. NFL's full of shit.

They're always going to be full of shit because it's a money-making venture. It ain't about people. I actually, you put it well. I think that they should get rid of the franchise tag. it's it's something that we've just grown accustomed to over the years talking about like oh they tag this guy oh they're going to tag this guy it's become so woven into the fabric of discussing football and talking about the NFL and transactions and things like that that we don't really think about what the franchise tag is or what it does or the leverage that it gives the teams over the players I don't I don't see a reason why we shouldn't get rid of the franchise tag boy live all it does it just helps owners devalued our players It's all it does. Do you think if they got rid of the franchise tag that that would lead to more running backs getting big long-term contracts or that they would just say, okay, we won't resign you, we'll just go draft somebody else?

Well, they could do that after the franchise tag anyway, so it doesn't. I know, but I'm saying like if you get rid of the franchise tag, I think what might happen in practice is you end up like instead of getting that one or two years where you get. $12 million, whatever the percentage of the top earners or whatever the franchise tag is, I think it's 10 right now. Then you would just not get that at all, and then they'd go draft somebody in the sixth round. Do you think that you can draft somebody in a six round and get the production of a Saquan Barker? I'm not saying that. I'm saying that that's what teams might do rather than like that's the gamble that they're willing to risk.

That's their business. I guarantee you there's a team out there who says you're going to let this you're going to let him hit the free market I'll gladly plan there there will there'll be a team out there that I do it's what the free market is yeah exactly I think I think Aryan's right in that there is that steep drop off in productivity for running back once once you get to a certain age once you get a certain number of carries under your belt where the wear and tear catches up to you if you even take out one year of the franchise tag where they're you know not they're not playing under long term contract that one year would be enough to get more running backs paid because let's say you you play four years right um that's too long out of your rookie deal so right now the rookie deal is is four years right um i depending on round i think that there's different majority is four years mine was so right so after four years that's probably the sweet spot for running backs right maybe three four seasons in the league when the top running backs emerge it's probably after two three three

three, four seasons. If you can get that person to a free market, free agency situation, one year faster even, then you let the other teams out there. There's probably, I don't know, 20 teams a year, 15 teams a year that are in the market for an impact player at the running back position, let them compete against each other. Yeah, sure. Some teams will be like, yeah, we'll pay you, you know, one year, $12 million or whatever. But if it's a true competitive market situation where you've got 15 other teams that are weighing in

on it. Yeah, there's going to be somebody that'll be like, you know what? We'll do three years, $35 million because we want this guy. We need this guy that much on our team. He's the final piece to a puzzle. Get him to free agency faster without the franchise tag or the transition tag. And then that seems to me like it would actually make a difference. I think it would in the long run for sure. Because you take out that one year of maybe that is the year where they hit that steep drop off. You know? Yeah. I mean, it, it, it, it's, it's, you know, it's, It's all about, like, little wins like that. I mean, that's how we got free agency in the first place.

Remember, like, NFL, you just did not have free agency. But, again, I don't see it ever being plausible. The NFL, the NFL PA and NFL have to negotiate that, and that will take decades upon decades. And labor strikes. You see it happen all over the world. You see it happening with UPS. You see it happening with Amazon.

You see it everywhere. When people are not getting paid, they market value, your only leverage is to not, not show up. Don't do it. What if the NFLPA was like, we'll let you test us for weed again if you just get rid of the franchise tag? The owners would laugh you out of the room. They'd be like, we don't give a shit about weed. We just pretended to care about weed testing for 20 years because it was a chip that we had in our pile that we could use to negotiate. That's another one that they fucked a lot of cats over, man.

And like Josh Gordon comes in mind immediately, like really derailed their career because of some stupid little rule that you made up. It's just sad. I don't know, man. The NFL is continually, continually reactive and not proactive. And they pretend to give a shit about their players. That's what bothers me so much about the motherfucker. They pretend to give a fuck.

And they do not give a fuck. And if you did give a fuck, you would be proactive. They literally hid concussion studies. They literally, they just do everything and they power to get every last dollar that they can. And that's, that's American business. That's capitalism as its finest. But these are the repercussions of it. You got disgruntled workers.

Quick question on, um, judge the Josh Gordon situation. Rumor I heard, which totally is unsubstantiated and might be totally wrong, was that it wasn't all of his drug tests that he was popping for it wasn't really weed but that's what they told the press why he was testing positive for something but it might have been other substances but they just said it was weed because it was the best cover up do you think there's any truth to that because aren't you not able to release what they tested positive for unless the player comes out and says they busted me for XYZ and if the player says that and it's not the truth then I think that the NFL can say well no that's not the case yeah i don't know might be wrong about that if it was a if

it was a a performance and have enhancing substance they would have said that they wouldn't have said weed so if it was another recreational drug which is just as stupid for testing for uh they would have said otherwise also quick point on the running back discussion do we think global warming which is causing less cold weather games might be affecting their value because more passing offenses and hotter weather is do we yes polar bears and running backs

we got to save both of them yeah also dome stadiums the proliferation of indoor football is killing the running back position how about that take hmm also

I mean it may play a factor actually but again just pay your fucking people pay your fucking people. Also, I think most common sense fans would agree with the fact that

the franchise tag is bullshit when you really sit down and think about it. I'll be honest. I have not, like there's a guy in the fans would assign someone's on franchising. Like, yeah. Okay, weirdo. Like, if you think about the term franchise tag, it's like you're putting it, you're like pinning something on person. Like this is, we're going to tag you.

We're going to tag you. Wow. Like you're a game word. and cattle. Yeah. It's, yeah, it's become so much a part of, like, the discussion around the league and strategy about building roster that fans have just kind of, I don't think that many of us have stopped and thought really about what the franchise tag is. And why it's there?

Isn't the NFL one or not like that, is it the MLB that don't have a salary cap, right? Yeah. Yeah, they've got luxury tax and that sort of thing. Yeah, so the NFL has a. salary cap as well and I guess they do that to keep the competitive balance or whatever but fuck that shit too so with the salary cap they have it in place they say because it it promotes small markets so it makes it a more level playing field where a team you know like like the browns could go out and give to Sean Watson a bunch of money and not have to worry about a team

like the Dallas Cowboys giving him twice that because they have it. But think about Kansas City. You got billionaires will go anywhere to buy a team and it's not necessarily correlated to their brand. Like Kansas City would be, am I wrong?

Like kind of a small market compared to other cities that have teams. Yeah, Kansas City is definitely... You would be advocating for the salary cap then. Like in baseball, generally speaking, like the small market teams more often than not suck.

Yeah. So you can look at examples like baseball is the perfect example of that. The Yankees have been a dominant franchise, at least, you know, they were for a while because they can afford to spend all the money that they want on these big name players, whereas a team like the Reds, not so competitive recently until maybe this year. But in the modern era, almost those guys haven't been that competitive. what the Yankees right in the modern era I like that take Billy it's a spicy take but I'm also very confused about what the term modern era means like basically the past 10 years but L.A. has been dominant and the Yankees still spend hundreds of millions of dollars every year just because

they're not winning doesn't mean they're not spending the most money they have made into the playoffs and you know it's the expectation that they're in the playoffs every single year just as a New York sports fan I feel that because all of the stadiums are so iconic, they don't really have to care about their teams being good because people will still go to Madison Square Garden. They'll still go to Yankee Stadium. MetLife not so much as like a historical place that's like, but they still will, you know, go. There's still enough companies that have boxes that are located in New York City that they'll still have enough people spending the money to go to all the games. So like, it doesn't matter. I mean, you're talking

about the Yankees like they don't spend money. Their payroll this year is 186 million. dollars right but they'll but that's just the minimum do is just buy great talent they won't actually concentrate on winning with that talent i mean they're trying to win by the way that was uh just the 26 man their total payrolls 280 not 186 wow is probably was one of the guys that was reading might never get paid and that's like crazy he's 24 uh he has two more seasons under his rookie deal and he can't hold out for his final season and the chiefs can tag him

he might not hit free agency till he's like 29 which is insane shout out Karenston Harrison for DMing me that it sucks it sucks for those guys you feel for him so yeah listen I think I'm an anti-franchise tag guy now

I think I'll join that movement is there any real is there any real way that the franchise tag actually ever goes away, though. Wasn't it just implemented for quarterbacks? Specifically, wasn't that like? No. Like, what would have to happen for them to actually get rid of it?

Like, would the NFLPA have to go on strike or something? So a couple things. One would be, yeah, the threat of a strike as a bargaining chip. It's about what chips do the players have right now? What can they use as leverage? What can they afford to give up? Because they'll have, the players would have to give something up to get rid of the attack because the owners aren't going to give away a cost-cutting tool for nothing out of the

goodness of their own hearts. Like Matt Doug, we were talking about like the weed testing thing. Right. Owners don't actually care if players smoke weed. Right. They just, they don't. But they pretended to care about it for a long time because they knew that if they were to dangle that in front of the players and say, hey, we'll get rid of smoking weed tests

if you guys agreed to an extra game in the season or something. like that. So they use that to get their leverage. The player's leverage is somewhat limited right now. Basically, the players could say we'll play an 18 game season if you guys get rid of the franchise tag. They have all the leverage in the world. Well, the players, yeah, they kind of do, but they don't really know how to use it that well. The easiest shit you could ever do, which is nothing. Which is not work. But that's, but that's hard to implement. Sure. But ain't nothing good happen. I mean, that's what's what happened with our,

with our lockout season. Yeah, we sat out. We were sitting out until they met certain demands. But I have a thing. I don't think motherfuckers care, right? So just as much as I bang on NFL owners, I also think players are in that ballpark as well. A lot of the current players,

they don't give a fuck about the, I guess the fraternity of NFL football players right when you see some of these older cats and like I said I'm lucky to have made it out the way I did I'm very active I'm good my body's good I'm good health a lot of these cats are not right and a lot of these cats everybody that plays in the NFL ain't a millionaire that's just how it is and so a lot of these current cats don't give a fuck about people who play before them they like so they want to

lobby and negotiate for shit right now and so there needs to be a larger effort on the NFLPA's part to say, you know, we need to put this in here. Like, we have to have this. But I don't think they care either. Otherwise, they would have been talking about it. It had been a major issue. I don't never see it as a major issue.

And like I said, they're always going to lobby for what their interests are, as they should. But that would be some solidarity on the front. And I don't think there ever is. I don't think there's going to be. From your perspective, if that was the deal that came to the table, we'll add another game if you get rid of the franchise tag.

Do you think that would be a fair deal for the players? No. Hell no. If you add more games, then you add more risk for injury. So if you're going to give me more risk for injury, you've got to pay me more. That's the only way it makes sense.

You got to pay me more. The mindset of giving something up that will negatively impact you and your health in exchange for getting rid of the franchise tag isn't nearly as appealing as the prospect of just saying, we're going to go on strike if you don't get rid of the tag. No, because you have one guy per year to get franchise tag, correct? Each team, yeah. So that affects such a small percentage of the whole NFL that it's not worth leveraging an entire game, which does affect the entire NFL. So if you're going to give me something, we're not, we're not, we're not playing with the same bargaining chips. You know what I mean? So that's why I say you pay me more.

Like the fact that that we get paid like such a small amount for playoff games is insane as well. It's like 20, 20 grand or something like that. That's ridiculous. That is absolutely dog shit. And like I, when I'm talking about this, I'm talking about this in relative terms. So I don't people think that I think $20,000 is not a lot of money. money. That's not what I'm saying. But relatively to like a player, an average player's current salary, it's it's not enough to compensate for the amount of money that they make for that

game. Advertisers, all of that shit, it's not enough to to leverage. Like they make, they're making way more off of us than we are making for playing. And so when I'm talking about in a relative terms. In order for me to make another game, you're going to have to pay me for that shit. Franchise tag is just not ethical. It's just not an ethical thing. That should, your leverage, that should not be on the table. We should just be talking about how that shit needs to go, get done away with it.

The only player that it helps, it would have helped somebody like me when I was getting talked about getting franchise tagged. There was a different kind of tag. I got tagged, and I forget because it's been years, but it was still a minimum salary, but I wasn't even eligible for a franchise tag. They could have tagged me in 2011 with something, which they did, which I played for a minimum salary. And then the next year, they could have franchise tag me again.

But I forget what it's called, but they just did the right. No, I don't know. I'm not transition. I forget what it's called. There's another kind of tag where I was just, I was getting paid, big minimum. 2011, same thing. 2010, 2011, I was arguably, not arguably, I think I was the most productive running back in the NFL.

and I got paid a total of, I think, $900,000 for both years, which is fucking ridiculous. But I think, I can't remember what it's called, but they could, they could do that twice. They just did the ethical thing, right? They just said, look, he works his ass off. They knew how hard I worked. They knew how, you know, said how reliable I was. And they did the right thing. But there's nothing ethical about a franchise tag.

If somebody can, I'm open to it. What the fuck is ethical? cool about a franchise tag other than you're just willing to take you know a year off of a cat's career and not pay them their market value so it would have for me coming along of those first two years the first three years making under a million dollars and having massive amounts of productivity of anybody in that position in the entire NFL and then saying okay you're going to franchise tag you're going to give you the whole i think at the time was like eight million dollars was the average salary of all you know top five i think that's how they do it so if you was to tell me back then you're going to

pay me $8 million for that year, I was like, shit, they can sign me up, right? But if you're a first rounder who's already seeing that kind of money, you understand that you, there's no guarantees in that contract, right? So there's nothing afterwards. So you're not getting taken care of fairly. And so there's nothing ethical about it. If somebody can make the argument, I'm down to listen, but that shit is they're just robbing people at a time and the careers.

And they're just trying to save money, man. So you mentioned the playoff payout. I think they did just recently increase it. So now it's about, it's 41,000 for the wildcard teams. And then 46,000, it's about 46,000 if you're a division winner playing in the wildcard game. And it's 41,000 if you're a wildcard team playing in the wildcard game. But if you extrapolate that to how much like 40,000, let's say average, we'll just call it $45,000. $45,000 for players in the wildcard games

times 17 games that comes out to a $765,000 a year salary and there are players that are on the field that are making you know 10, 20 times that amount of money if not more yes I just I just wonder

if there are any players in the NFL that get to the playoffs and they're like you fuck this I'm not going to go out all out, I'm not getting paid enough money in this game and players that actually don't play harder in the playoffs because of the fact that they know that they're not getting paid as much money for it. I would doubt that because I think when you get to that juncture in the season, that it, it's about, you know, we've been sweating and bleeding for this for five months. Like,

you know what I'm saying? Like, it's about more than money at that point. But again, there's no ethical bone in the owner's body when it comes to paying people. People, people fairly like so i just did a quick math so 41,000 times 53 man roster i think it's still they might have added it because of the games so but that's 2.1 million dollars that is nothing compared to what they're actually making for those playoff games yeah but also you can't you can't put a price on a sweet letterman jacket that you get to wear on the plane i feel like if i was in the studio i'd throw something at you that's that's worth that's priceless area the memories that you have game it's epic because the shit was fire and more so than anything else it allowed us not to wear

those fucking stiff-ass suits that they made us wear so like when we was going at NFL everybody had to wear a suit everybody had to wear a suit to go to the game and it was just it was boring it was whack it was not the fashion runway that it is now right and so like everybody had to wear a suit and so the switch up for that was so refreshing and it was fire and it was dope it was it was a dope we just got whooped it is what it did did you have to wear suit. Did you have to wear suit? suits on the plane. Yes. Oh, that sucks.

No, you're talking about guys. You talk about guys with, you know, like, because like some dudes get injured, right? Dudes with, like, have to wear shorts but still got the, still got the suit jacket and the tie on because they get back in the back of the plane ice and they need his shit after a game. Like, it's just goof. It's dumb. Suits, mandatory suits is stupid.

Dumb. All right. On that note, I agree the mandatory suits suck. On that note, let's get into Oppenheimer, the Manhattan Project. Let's do it. And it's brought to you by FitBot. It's FitBot. I'm on a fitness journey right now.

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like moving is fun. It's the old, hey guys, I'll buy you pizza and beer and I'll get you drunk if you help me move, which Billy can still get away with because he's in that, that sweet spot where maybe not a whole lot of your friends have moved yet. So just getting them drunk as payment for anything is always on the table for them. And Big T, before we started taping, we started talking about this and Big T

just goes, what were you saying? If somebody were to help you move, Big Tee? No, if somebody asked me to help them move, I would tell them to go get bent. Would you tell? Is that what you tell them? Or was there another choice of words that you? I said, I would tell them to go fuck themselves. Yeah. So, so Billy,

You said pizza and beer for one person, that's about, what, $25? How long did it take you to move? It was definitely under minimum wage. Well, how long? I mean, we started at like 10 and we ended around like six, but like we were fucking around the whole time. Okay, so you were paying them like $3 an hour, but not even in cash. It was in beer. Yeah, but we also had some good laughs and had a fun time.

You can't put a price tag on that. I can. We're like, there's some good. laughs. Yeah. You don't you don't get that at a normal job. But don't you just get like way more or like way less efficient the drunker you guys are. Yeah, but like. Well, Matt Dog, so you stumbled on something that's insanely accurate when it comes to the old, I'll buy you beer if you help me move trope, which is you don't get to drink the beer until it's all over. And then you're exhausted when it's all over and you don't even want to get drunk. So you can't get drunk as you move because you can't boxes. It's not like a shawshank.

It's just a, the shaw shank when they, uh, doing a rooftop, they just bartered for beers. I want all my guys to have a bottle of suds. No, no, we, it was very inefficient and, uh, we did bump some walls, but look, I thought ahead. I bought paint two. I only have white walls. So just covered up all the scuffs because I had to do that anyway, uh, in my kitchen where my squat rack is because the bar hit the wall a couple times. So like, we planned for that and, uh, we had a great time.

In my kitchen where the squat rack is. It used to be in my old apartment. Gotcha. Because I didn't need a dining table. I was eating alone mostly. So why not put a squat rack there? Eating on a barbedo bench. Martha Stewart could never.

She's got a nice little island. She's got all the pots and pans. Well, maybe her kitchen and jail looked like that. Yeah. Squat rack right in there. Aaron, what would your reaction be if I were like, Hey, this weekend, could you come over and I'll buy you, I don't know, like, we'll just call it like 12 Sierra Nevada's and some pepperoni pizza and just like a big party. We can use, we can use your truck, have a big party and you can help me move.

I don't know what Sierra Nevada's are. Some pale ales, some hoppy parallels. I've never even heard of that. So trying to reject that, I would just say. you don't have to bribe me but if you're going to I would take a bottle of crown maybe some wine

whatever your choice is and yeah I'll help you move man if it's the home you would help somebody move yeah I'll help somebody move if it's the homie like if I only fuck with you like that to know but yeah man I mean why not I hate moving don't mean wrong like I hate moving

like it's one of the worst thing because I remember my experience is different to Billy but when I was growing up like we moved so much that I have this, like, it's this pit, this visceral disdain of moving as an adult. And so I will pay movers all day. I will never, ever lift a finger if I'm moving. But if the homies, that's more of like a bond and experience, maybe they try to save some bread. And it's, yeah, man, I'll help you.

I'll help you do your stuff if I got time. Using the old, like, I'll buy you drinks if you help me move. That used to work real well before you turn 21 because if you, if you were, were the hookup and you had the you had the fake ID or a way to get beer beer was worth so much more when it was illegal to buy well yeah then it's a valuable commodity wait but also if you're moving under the age of 21 usually you're living with your parents or you're in college yeah it's a college thing yeah but or you don't go to college maybe you moved out got a job when you're 18 you can you can ask all my boys moving with me is super fun and they always ask me to

help them move because I have a truck and we always have a good time. How do you keep the boys entertained during a move? We just sometimes sit down and talk about how we're going to move something while we're drinking beers. Sometimes it's like in the middle of a hallway and we're just sitting on the couch we're supposed to move. I mean, it's very unproductive. It's like I don't actually work them hard and they don't work me hard when we're using my truck. It's just like we're going to do a lazy job. We're going to get it done. But we just kind of have a whole day that we set aside just to fuck off yeah it's great it does sound more about kicking it bonded than

it's like we'll take like seven hours to do it and we'll probably only do like two and a half real hours of work but it's a great time so bill used to live next door to mincy and um we went into mincy's apartment one time and you remember that scene in the office where it was uh Ryan Howard the temp and he looked he was cleaning up his desk and he's like you know what I could be out of here in 15 minutes and nobody would ever know that I was here. That's what Mincy's apartment was like. Mincy could move out of the place in probably half an hour and just be gone. He's got a very mobile lifestyle with Billy. I feel like it takes you, your move probably took much longer than a standard one bedroom apartment did. Not, I mean, just the squat rack and the

wave. The squat rack and the hedgehog. The hedgehog is actually pretty mobile. Because you can just like move the cage in one. You have a hedgehog? Yeah, I'm going to bring him in one day. Is that legal? Not in New York City. Where do you live? New York City now.

Fucking Mike Bloomberg. Some guy kept the tiger in his apartment and then Bloomberg wrote a whole bunch of laws about which animals you're allowed to have in New York City. And you're mad at Bloomberg in the situation. You're not mad about the guy that had a tiger. a crocodile city and a crocodile you're like fucking bloomer he got rid of the big sodas and tigers yeah this asshole just maybe just like make it in residential like make new york wild again yeah

like new york there used to be people walking tigers and lions from macy's downtown like working fashion with like this is a good law this is one of the better laws we've developed wait bill you're you're he're hearkening back to the days of yesteryear when a man could be a man in America and walk his line down fifth avenue is America really free if I can't have a tiger on a chain

by America great again I'm just saying I'm just say or like flamingos and shit like people had all sorts of stuff I would rather have Bloomberg hit it out of the park on this one yeah yeah

if I was Mayor Adams Hey, you're looking for some votes? So I've been, I've been, like, slightly paying attention to Mayor Adams in New York as much as I can. Is he the weirdest mayor in America? He seems like he's a very, very strange guy. No, no, I'm actually a big Mayor Adams fan. He like, yeah, okay, so yes. No, no, no, but he's like, he is getting shit done.

He's not putting up with the bullshit of, you know, New York media, a lot of the bullshit in, like, the, some of the small time politics in different areas he's just getting shit done he's a rational person he's not really abiding by any main you know like he's not just doing some bipartisan like not bipartisan but partisan politics things he's just getting shit done and i yeah what is he getting done um he you know he's he's rational about certain issues in new york city it's like he's not in denial about some of the problems and just sweeping it under the rug. Right, but he can still be a weird guy.

Yeah, he may also live in New Jersey, but who knows? It's probably so that he can have his hedgehog. Yeah. Can't bring that shit across the Hudson. They got sensors and cameras set up on the Lincoln Tunnel. Yeah. They'll catch here. All right, fellas and ladies, what's crapping?

What we got going on? We got a big episode today. I'm very excited to talk about this, by the way. It was crappening? Yeah, what's crappin? You like that? Was that like a mashup? Did you fuck up?

That's like, no. What's crap? That's a thing? I've never heard, though. I got it from Joe Dirt. Oh, okay. I didn't. Have you ever seen Dave Chappelle's bit when he's talking to his, uh, his white, uh, agent?

And he's like, uh, sometimes, you know, they don't be up on a lingo. So sometimes I like to fuck with him. And he'll be like, uh, all right, man, I'll let you. let us zip it up and zip it out. He's going to know what to say, and he'd be like, Zippity-do that, Dave. Yeah, I have seen that. But no, it's Joe Dirt. It's a classic movie.

I think I'm going to miss up Joe's Dirt with Joe's apartment. That was a thing. Joe's apartment? Remember what the... Yeah. Yeah, that was back in the day, though. Joe Dirt was David Spade with a mullet, played this old janitor from the South.

Christopher Walkins in it, I think. It's a good movie. It's very funny. It's crapping it. What's crapping it? We got anything cool going on? I'm excited about today's episode, though. It's, uh, we're going to talk about Oppenheimer and the Manhattan Project.

I got my tickets to go see Oppenheimer on Friday. I can go with Donnie. Check it out, uh, three hours long. So, um, pray for me. That's a long movie. I didn't know three hours. I'm, I'm going to check it out. I haven't already got my tickets.

Is it, is it, is it, is it going to be a blockbuster like that? I think so, yeah. I mean, it's Christopher Nolan, and he, like, threw his whole life into this movie, and he's another weirdo, too, where he filmed it in, like, a special type of film that he wants people to see on this certain type of IMAX screen. So there's, like, only a handful of them in the country that you can go to to actually watch the movie the way that he wanted you to watch it, which seems kind of pretentious. I'm going to watch the movie that, the way that I want to watch it,

which is on a very comfortable couch with beers, or a comfortable reclining chair in a movie theater. necessarily a couch but um very very excited about that and the story behind the nuclear bomb is is crazy quick and yep is this his first work since dunkirk i bet that you can look it up online and find out did you guys like dunkirk i don't think it was well shot i didn't i it was too quiet like there was i couldn't hear what they were saying yeah i didn't see tenant i like Dunkirk basically if you want me to watch a movie just make it about World War 2 and I'm there the only Christopher Nolan movie it looks like I've seen as Inception Harry Styles was in it Maddie that's why I saw it why do you think I would see

a world war world was it world war two I don't know I've never heard of this movie there is there's no world in which I see Dunkirk without Harry Styles in it so dunkirk it's funny it's about the the evacuation of the British uh was the British expanse fiduciary force from Dunkirk in France. And they got everybody together and, like, put them on a bunch of boats and took them over the channel because they were surrounded by the Germans. A lot of fishermen. A lot of fishermen did that.

It's, they basically made a flex of a movie about the biggest ass kicking that the British troops ever got besides the Revolutionary War. And they're like, look how heroic this was. So we got our boys home because I think there were like 200,000 of them that they got evacuated. We might have talked about this on one of the Nazi drug. podcast that we did but the entire reason why dunkirk even happened like the uh the german army pushed the british army so far back and encircled them and they're ready to just go in for the kill and capture or kill 200 000 british soldiers but the head of the uh air force in germany

was uh addicted to heroin and morphine and he got absolutely loaded one night and went in and told hitler like yo don't let the army take credit for doing this let me go in with the air force i'm going to bomb the shit out of them i want the air force to have credit for for defeating the brits not the army hitler was also loaded at the time on a combination like morphine speed liquid cocaine weird shit and hitler was like good idea very good idea and he made them stop he told the army to stop he issued the most famous halt order of all time made them stop their entire advance because he was fucked up and his head of the Air Force

was fucked up too, made them stop, gave the British Army like two, three days to start to regroup organize this massive evacuation before the Air Force came in and bombed him.

And then the British Army for the most part got home. All because of a little thing called heroin. How about that? Shout out to opium. Shout out opium. Dude,

I was reading this thing about Hitler's doctor who was like, just experimenting on him and just shoot like Hitler was one of the first people to do like steroids Morel they were shooting him up with like a cadaver testosterone yeah morel was it that's a dude's name right yeah I think so he was an absolute quack my favorite story about him is he he was like hitler's right hand guy and Hitler was like yo I need my doctor to come in and give me my medicine I don't know if Hitler knew this at the time but the doctor was shooting him up with meth and all sorts of

crazy experimental drugs just to make him feel better. And so this guy, this doctor was spending so much time around Hitler and Hitler's staff of generals and sergeants and people that were in the military, they started to get like, he started to get FOMO and jealous of not being in the military because he was around so many cool army dudes all the time. So the doctor invented himself an army uniform that he would wear as Hitler's docker. He's like, yeah, this is the official military uniform for Hitler's stock. doctor and all the generals looked at him when he walked in wearing that and they're like get

the fuck out and never put that on again he's like okay okay I'll just go back to wearing suits yeah like one time one time they shot up Hitler or some shit and like Hitler just screamed at Mussolini for like five hours to in order to convince him not to leave the war yeah yeah Hitler was so messed up in that meeting and yeah Mussolini didn't get a word in edgewise Hitler just like stood up paraded around the room um there was another other time when I think it was the king of Austria or somebody that was very high up in Austria who was like super old got taken by train to Hitler's place in the middle of the night and he was like trying to fall asleep and Hitler wouldn't let him sleep and basically just kept

him up screaming at him for 24 hours until the guy just said okay fine you can you can invade Austria that's that's all good don't worry about it I just want to get some sleep I feel like such a big piece of left out of Hitler's stories that he was always high. Like we just don't talk about it enough. Like it's all like

dude was fucking crack hair. Oh, there's a lot. There's a whole list. There's 30, I'm on the Wikipedia page for the doctor right now. There's 34 substances and some that will stick out to people are cocaine, adrenaline,

bromide, oh man pervitin which is the meth so he's on cocaine and meth I'm trying to see yeah testosterone propronate tons of other stuff that probably people won't know what it is but basically they also they also fixed his diarrhea by giving him a pill that had a healthy person shit inside the capsule oh yeah well that's the that's the that's probiotics yeah it was old school probiotics

I can see Gwyneth Paltrow getting back into all this stuff by the way like eating actual shit. No, no, there was someone who used a turkey baster and someone else's shit to cure their serious diarrhea in, like, I forget the exact story, but there was a scientist who was helping cure like malaria in Africa, and he was having terrible bowel issues, and he stuck someone else's shit up his own sphincter and cured it all by changing his gut bacteria to some locals who's adapted to the bacteria

using their excrement. Like think they took someone else's they shoved someone else's shit up their own ass. Like what? Circle of life. I wonder if he was just like if he ran that by anybody and told him the idea first

it's like hey yo he's like I don't know about that fair look nothing was working but you got to hear me out this worked explain that to a fellow doctor that's basically like like human synopede except if you reverse the the positions of people he just sewed their buttholes together that's a good horrible you could only do that once what if you kept feeding them both people I saw oh Wu tank okay but like there's no if

you're show their but holes together you can only do that once they have a But they have a, I think it was on 36 Chambers. 36 Chambers. He was like, he was like, I put your nutsack on a dresser just a nuttack by itself and bang them shits with a spike bat. He said, and I saw your asshole up and keep feeding you and feeding you and feeding you. What the hell? It was just clowning on some like the worst ways you go and fuck somebody up.

It was a skit called torture. Torture, there you go. Yeah. Then he also said he was going to do something like sticking iron on stove, get it real, real, real hot. Real hot. Yeah. Damn.

I haven't even thought about that shit. Decade. It's a great album. They should bring back rap skits. I feel like we don't have rap skits anymore. Okay, best rap skit of all time, dog, and nobody knows about it is Ghost Weed. Ghost Weed was on De La Souls' Artificial Intelligence album. Ghost Weed was this dope.

like so like there was three different skips across the whole album and it was like people standing around and the skit the whole premise of the skit was like you stand around there's this dude who's selling something called ghostweed and if you hit it you start rapping like some of your favorite rappers and so like they were like they were like have just random people they're going to cypher talk about some I'm about to I'm about to rap and then they would hit the ghost weed and they would start rapping it would slowly turn into pharaohs his voice and so they did feral march they did fife dog and then they did uh black thought And so, like, when you, when you listen to those skits, bro, I promise you, if you like rap and you like, uh, rap skits, that to me is the best skit.

Oh, there's another one. I got another one, actually. And the history behind it is hilarious. So cannabis, you remember cannabis? Mm-hmm. So cannabis, his first album, it came out, it was produced by Jermaine, not Jemite, uh, Wyclef. It was produced by Y'Cleff. And obviously they had a fallout because he had a beef with LL and everybody thought that he lost.

I felt like he won a battle. That's a whole other conversation. But his album didn't do as good as he thought it was. And so they parted ways after the first album and he blamed White Clef. Second album, I think it's Cannabis B.C. or something like that, something like that. So he has a skit where he has a dude sounding like White Clef. It's called shock therapy. Don't listen to that shit.

It's hilarious, though. He's just, like, he, like, he's shocking him and making him admit to shit. He did it across his album and he's obviously an actor, but it's fucking hilarious. Great skit. Yeah, the, I feel like the mid-90s, that was the golden age of the rap skit, right? Oh, yeah. Yeah, everyone had them anymore. They don't do skits anymore.

I know Eminem had the famous King Keneff. That was a famous one. Ludacris had one. I think it was called The Black Man Struggles, and it was just a guy sitting on the toilet, taking a shit i don't know i feel like the skits were probably put on there to get more tracks so the studio would consider it a full album right i'm unsure the origins of skits might be interesting to look into i don't know why originally but they were great entertainment but it's also we don't live in that era anymore we like we microwaved entertainment so it's like

rap fans nowadays aren't and i sound like old nigger but like rap fans now they aren't really interested in like sitting down consuming an entire album like that they're more so like you know give me give me yeah when when the arian said they microwaved entertainment i felt that i felt that it's true though that's why i'm not like i'm not like an old-haired hater as far as like rap nowadays i think rap has always had it shitty music always and it's also how has classic music looks like now i think it has some shitty music but also has some classic shit that's getting put out but i think entertainment interwoven with music is one of the worst ideas we've ever had as humans.

In what way? When art is incentive-based, rather than just inspired, it's more pure. So, like, now they make... People make music to make money. They make content to make money. Rather than it being a genuine interest in the art

and exploring the art, they do it with the notion. that this would sound good in stadiums where we can pack you know this would sound good and this will go viral this will get enough intention to get to go viral and like I said I don't

knock it like this is what it is I just think it's a bad idea because I don't think it's I don't think it's the best of us the best representation of us art wise I feel like our best shit would would be like through human struggle and human emotion I was

I was just I took a vacation last week for a couple days and it was a friend of mine from Texas and her husband is a country music singer and so we were talking about music a lot and he said that somebody came up to him at one point um it was some famous country music singer that was giving him advice i forget who it was but he said do you do you want people do you make music because you want people to listen to your music or because you want to make money and he said i want people to listen my music and the guy goes you got it backwards you if you want to make money then the result of that will be that more people will listen to your music if you really want the most people listen to your music

possible um the best way to approach it from a business standpoint would be figure out how to make your money and then that will translate into your audience growing yeah so it's like a it's a double-sided sword where you you're in it for the right intention maybe because you do you want to spread your art out to people, but you're not going to be able to spread your art out to people unless you're focused on optimizing yourself from business standpoint because that will translate more people listening to it. Yep. But I think the, so Lauren Hill said this quote I think it was in the 90s where she said, even after all of my logic and my theory, I add a motherfucker so you ignorant niggins hear me. So what she's saying is like she can make this beautiful,

amazing piece of art. She's going to put something in it to grab attention. And that's what he's, that's what he's referring to. And I theorize that if we, if we had a mentally and emotionally healthy society, you wouldn't need to grab that attention. The art would speak for itself. And I think it's a sad state of affairs that we have to have artists. And you'll hear artists talk about it all the time. Like, I got to do shit in order to get known.

I got it. So like a lot of the shit that we loathe, like the entertainment gossip blogs, like you almost have to be a part of that stratosphere in order to make it in the music industry. You have to, especially rap, right? It wraps the number one genre in the world, partly because it holds hands with the gossip shit. You know what I'm saying? And as much as I love Kanye, as much as I love Jay-Z,

they're some of the greatest musicians in the world. I don't think their career is what it is unless they enter that sphere, unless Kanye enters the Kim Kardashian sphere, right? I don't think Jay-Z marries Beyonce. I don't think his catalog does what it does. That's a hot take, but I feel like. Like, that's, that's what it is. There's been plenty rappers who are amazing that are, that to me, are some of the best writers that we've ever had.

But you'll never hear about them because they don't enter that sphere. Once they enter that sphere, it's like it is a machine. Kim Kardashian is a machine. TMZ is a machine. So, like, you don't have to pay for publishing anymore. I mean, you have to pay for marketing anymore. Go outside. That's your marketing.

You know what I'm saying? Go shopping. That's your marketing. Say something crazy about Ted is what? Say, you know what's like that type shit, when you, what you enter? that blogosphere gossip machine, you can put anything out and say something crazy about Jewish people. Bam. But he's already a part of the machine, so he's a part of it now. So he can stand on his own. But unless he enters that, I don't think he, I don't think he, what's different

between the machine and the matrix that Andrew Tate's warning us about? I would, I would have to hear his definition of the matrix. I don't know. What does he say the matrix is? I don't, I don't know if he knows what the matrix is it's just it's a it's a cool way to be like they're out to get me i i hate to i hate that i consume this type of media but did you see the aden ross adam 22 andrew tate summit of a great mind i did not see that if if you've heard anything about that whole saga and we don't have to get into it because it's completely ridiculous and will rot your brain it it was one of the weirdest interactions i've ever seen well we can talk we can talk about the saga okay uh andrew 22 let a porn star fuck his wife adam 22 of the no jumper podcast

who has an only fan's show where he interviews porn stars with his wife and then at the end of the interview they then have a three way uh everyone was like, you only do this with other female porn stars. Why doesn't you, why don't you do it with a male porn star? And then his wife was like, yeah. And then they did it.

And the Adam 22 wasn't allowed to be there when it happened. Wait, time out. I think I'm hearing you correctly, but I'm not sure. So there's a dude I've seen the No Jumping podcast. Well, I've seen, I've heard of, Evan really watched it. He has a wife and he has the only

fans account. Yep. And he does stuff with other females on there? They are porn stars and they Did no Jumper podcast do as a porn star? Technically now, yes. Yeah. Okay.

So they have a show that they always have other female porn stars on that Billy described. And then but so then the wife just made a video with another dude who's not her husband.

And like... And her husband wasn't in it. Yeah, it's all just like a weird PR stunt. Like he, uh, Adam 22 bought her a car and was like, I'm so proud of you for doing your fur. Like, it's all a weird. They have an open relationship, I'm assuming. Well, I don't know. I think...

Now they're. I mean, clearly. It's all to make money on only fans and they're making tons and tons of money. But Adam 22 is now being. like roasted all across the internet for being a cuck quote on quote and that's yeah jokes on y'all he gets paid

millions of dollars to have sex with like what are we talking like you what I'm saying bro like this shit is this shit is crazy they could probably not even be really like in a relationship and they just be playing people like yeah but but the fact that motherfuckers tune into this bullshit and watch it is why these motherfuckers is like dumb people are rich

but hey there's what it is no system like do your thing bro there's definitely people that that have watched that porn that are like jacking off watching watching his wife get fucked by this dude that was just on their show and they're like they're loving it because Adam they hate Adam 22 and he's getting cut like it enhances their own personal sexual gratification while jacking off knowing that yeah this is Adam 22's wife it's literally weird or though yeah it's enough like I bet he hates this yeah it's pro it's pro wrestling but instead of

wrestling they're fucking well and then also the the porn star that fucked adam 20 lena the plug his wife like made a comment like had a post game interview type of yeah and made a comment saying like she hasn't been some wild stuff i don't know if i feel comfortable saying this on you shouldn't yeah you shouldn't he like dogged adam 22 people can look it up themselves it was quite shocking that adam 22 it was a very funny post game interview and and that's what it was Our colleague John Rich here at Barstle, who he made a good point that he should have been included in the who's the most likely serial killer at Barstle. I'll give him that. But he said that every porn star should do a postgame interview, just like this one dude did, where they answer questions like their professional athletes about their performance.

I would actually, I would love to see a postgame interview with a porn star where he does and says all the right things, like an Eli Manning type post game where he doesn't really give that many answers. just like, you know, all sides, you know, went out there and we had to compete. I got to get better. I got to watch film. You know, just like saying the most generic Bill Belichick type stuff ever after they just railed this shit of some chick. I can't really answer that question until we watch the film.

No. But then, but then he said something that Doggedat 22 that Adam 22 said you are officially banned from from fucking my life. Yeah.

It's a guy, it's a guy just like prematurely ejaculated during the porn scene. He's like, you know, we're on to Tia on Trump. We're on to Tia on Trump. I want to. Next man up. I want to go back to one thing. How do they do injuries? Before this conversation.

I'm not going to get into that right now. I'm going to let the doctors way and do their job before I, before I speculate or anything. We, I'm sure you'll all speculate. They don't have to hope that's not up to me. That's between my medical staff. Rumors are circulating that you're dealing with the little bout of ED. Is this true? You know, that's, that's TIPAA.

Probable lower back pain. Get porn stars on your fantasy team, fantasy corn league? You know, there's a shit. Porn is a bigger business than sports. I would venture to say, this shit. Buck around me. work. Glennie is the

Chris Berman of porn. Does that Glennie announcing porn? Oh, and we're going from the preliminary. She is unstuck from the washing machine. He's doing the fastest two minutes in porn.

Zom spread. Um, spread. Good times You were saying I'm sorry We was Yeah no I thought I thought we were done

With that conversation But then we had Porn Chris Berman Um I we breezed Way too quickly Past PFT mentioning that he was on the beach

drinking my tyes With a country music star Did I say I was on the beach drinking my tis Because I don't recall saying that Were you on the beach drinking my tides I was on the drink

I was on the beach drinking. He's on a drink beach in my test. I was on the beach. It seems to be the officer problem. Drinking bushwhackers. Okay. Let's get it straight.

With a second beer today. Y'all, Bush, what do you fucking? No, it's a mixed drink. It's like a peony colada type thing. I need to expand my alcoholic palate. Y'all are saying something. We need to get you some white people novelty drinks.

That's what it is. You can go to Margaritaville. It's closing. I love margaritas, though. Only one's closing. Only the one. In Times Square. There's nothing better than Rose and Margarita.

I need to look at up and figure out. Agreed. And just all the different type of flavors, dog, watermelon, peanut colada, strawberry, raspberry, rasm, whatever. Throw it at it. Mix it all in one pot and give me, freeze that shit up for me. I love it when it's a big margarita with an upside down beer in it. I got to say, no, it's so good.

It's so good. I have a picture of PFT with one of those. Actually, I'll send it. This is a deep track. But for Rhode Island natives, Dells, lemonade, when they're used in mixed drinks, are amazing. There's always a Dells truck at, like, a lot of public beaches, and it's just these amazing frozen lemonade. And then, like, you bring, like, vodka or tequila, and you just throw it in it.

And it's better than any margarita I've ever had. Yeah. I do. I love a novelty drink. I love Margaritaville. I had a great time there. Wanton, Don, and I spent a magical weekend at the time. I'm square one.

Unfortunately, it is closing. I do want to know what they're going to do with the giant statue of liberty that was on the second floor of the Margaritaville. And you could eat. We ate a meal inside of the Statue of Liberty. Like her back opened up and you could eat. There was like a table that was inside the Statue of Liberty. And she had, she had her hand raised, you know, like with a giant torch, except the torch was a huge

margarita that would light up every hour and it would play, I think it would play fin to the left and to the right that song and there were sharks that would swim around the margarita i want to know what they're doing with that thing because i would like to consider purchasing that for my home well just put it on the roof that'd be dope speaking of country music country music is now uh there's a new cancel culture war in regards to country music uh if you want to get into it what are you talking about uh jason aldean one of his songs from like a couple months ago is uh going viral amongst uh i think country music times CMT Country Music Television.

CMT pulled it off. I guess they still just run music videos a day. I haven't watched CMT in many years. I used to watch the Dallas Cowboys Cheerleader Show that was on CMT. That was good. So CMT, I had never, I'd heard this song once or twice. It's called Try That in a Small Town. And I don't know if the music video just came out or if people just found it or whatever,

but I hadn't seen the video. The video is something. Um, it's an interesting, so now there's a huge debate over like Jason Aldeen being canceled and don't support CMT and all this stuff. It's pretty ridiculous. What, what's the controversy about? So the song, um, some people are saying has implications. I'll read you the lyrics and you can, uh, see what you think about this song. I'll draw my own conclusions. Um, sucker punch somebody on a sidewalk carjack and old lady at a red light pull a gun on the owner of a liquor store you think that's cool we'll act like a fool if you like cuss out a cop spit in his face stomp on the flag and light

it up you think you're tough we'll try that in a small town see how far you make it down the road around here we take care of our own you cross that line it won't take long for you to find out i recommend you don't try that in a small town race wars baby let's the video um shows quite a bit of what I would describe as recent protests and violence

and so there's some controversy surrounding the video when I saw the video this morning I was like that's wild what is it called try that just search Jason Aldine on Twitter it'll be the first thing that comes up try that in a small time

should we take a break and watch this video yeah yeah it's trending It's pretty crazy. All right. I'm watching. I'm going to pull it up right now. We've just watched the Jason Aldean video. I thought

I thought it was good. I thought he had a lot of important things to say. Namely, he will kill you. Like, don't fuck with Jason Aldeen. Don't inconvenience him. Don't say anything offensive to him because he will kill you. So you how far you make it down the road. Yeah, it's something.

I mean, I think he was definitely going for a certain reaction, a certain audience. He's probably psyched that CMT pulled his video, right? It's number one on iTunes currently, yes. Which is kind of ridiculous because who the hell buys music anymore on iTunes? People still buy music, man. But like 99 cents for a song? Mm-hmm, people still buy music, man. It's 129 now.

You just kind of showed how much of an asshole you are, actually. How? you know those artists work hard as fuck on their music but like think about it streaming services have taken over nowhere near as much you should still stream it yeah yeah look at the breakdown of how much artists get paid from every stream it's like 0.00139 cent

for every stream look i may have not respected fair trade music laws i stream too i'm just fucking what you remember i know i know i know but yeah what a shitty song though I respect it I respect it he's just he's trying to clap back he's like a little you know it's a little dis song

you know what I'm saying ass though but I respect it what'd you think about it sonically though trash I don't like it okay it's nothing like and I say that I have a eclectic taste of music I love a lot of country music

it was ass I didn't do anything from Jason Aldeen separate art from the artist he has some great driving songs I'm sure he does Dirt Road anthem Flavor states you make it easy

That's also not new Burning it down Burning it down He He makes great drunk driving music Because he talks about drinking and driving I don't think there's a good

Well I think honestly I think every song that you've ever liked This great drunk driver music But don't drink and drive But this is also not new though So, like, he did, like, a very soft rendition of, I, I got into it with a few mega rappers back, back when I first started, like, streaming, like, politics on Twitch. I would, like, debate people. I got into one of them, um, black dude who makes mega raps, a whole bunch of mega raps, him, like, a couple of other cats.

And so he, all his little mega army was all in my mentions for about a good week, though. But, like, there's a whole bunch. There's, like, a list of these mega rappers that just make shit. this which is like it's like ass it's not good but like that's his personal personal taste but i don't know the video is wild but all day i've kind of had in the back of my head like traveling a small day is he don't people move people move to small towns because they're afraid of cities oh he said you say you say they scared yeah try that try that a city.

Wait, I reject that premise. We should, we should, there should be a classic song. Let's do it. Let's make it. Try that in the city.

Right out of the city, though. See how far you make it down the road all the way. They will not stop you. No, do you remember that? Dude,

there's such crazy video circulating during that time period he's singing about. Remember the guy that hopped out of his car with a bow and arrow? It was like, trying to stop shit. He just got jumps.

Like this old guy jumped out of the car with a bow and arrow he like rolled up to a protest after seeing it on TV and he just showed up with a bow and arrow and people like what the fuck? Hang on I know we have limited time and but since Arian talked about this

guy his latest release I really want to listen to his latest release Pride Month 2 yeah there goes we got it can we cut out one second that was a Freudian slip I disagree

with the message of pride I disagree with the lyrical content of Pride Months 2, however the concept is hilarious to just wrap about being straight. What was Pride Month 1? Yeah. Is there a Pride Month 1? Oh yeah, Pride Month 1 is Pride Month. Yeah, I don't know. Every Pride Month he releases.

I'm going to bookmark Ultra MAGA for later. I got to check that one out. They're fighting back against Pride Month. When I was at Kissing Susie Colbert, I used to do White History Month in July and talk about the NFL finally from the views of a white fan and he just completely took my idea in a non-satirical way and just stomped it into the ground.

May have to listen to Gun Totin Patriot and Patriot later too. Oh yeah, that's a good one. Have you heard that one? I went through his catalog. He's a fucking clown. did he have any songs that you were like lyrics aside this beat's kind of sick no all he does is water down trap music and like that's that's that's that's that's was one of my critiques about him it was like he he he he's unoriginal as shit and he's gimmicky so like

like he knows his fan base loves you talk about maga you talk about any conservative values like that's his name he don't make songs about nothing else it's just conservative shit like right and it's like the hyper fixation on that and then but he takes he's takes the law of trap music and makes it, right? So it's like, and trap music is the exact opposite of what he professes in his music. So it's just, it's corny to me. I don't know. But there's a bunch of QAnon rappers, too.

No. I have not stumbled upon QAnon rap. Yeah, specific to the Q&A genre. I don't, I don't know any of them off the top of my head, but they, there's a decent subculture of Qaeda rappers, yeah. I'm going to have to find me a Q&A. rapper man ice cubanonan uh yeah i love the like tiny little spin-off genres that are designed to appeal to a specific audience like a niche audience but that niche audience is big enough to the point where

they can actually make money off their music but then the problem is if you're a qanon rapper there will always be a new qanan rapper that will come up that will be like more qan on than you are and all they have to do is all they have to do is like call you a pedophile reptilian and then now they're the biggest QAnon rapper out there. Is that still, are they still,

there's no way they still think that's the thing. Yeah, no, it's evolved a little bit. Yeah, what's the evolution? What's, what's new on the Q front? What's, I don't know what's new on. I think that they're still, they're waiting on charges to be pressed. They're waiting on Hollywood to be arrested now. Well, on the reptilian front, which isn't very specific.

to Q, they say that the lady actually saw a reptile on the plane, like a reptilian. I mean, it's interesting that the camera never panned to show the person in the back of the plane, right? And like, we still have found her. Yeah. She hasn't resurfaced? No. It's the meme of the news camera showing the guy, the silhouette stabbing the other guy. But then when you zoom out, you see that it's a person running from a guy that has the knife.

If you zoom out on that airplane video, there actually is a reptilian in the back of the plane with, like, tentacles and shit. But we all think that this lady is the crazy one. I'm waiting for something like that to happen. This is boring. I'm going to... An actual reptile, yeah.

Yeah, man. Let's shake this shit up, man. Come on out. I was thinking that in college, and I was like, yeah, this is fucking boring. Like, I wish something crazy happened. And then COVID happened to, like, be careful what you wish for. Billy, you wish for COVID?

No, I just was like, I wish something cool would happen, like, like aliens or some shit. How was that cool? What? No, it wasn't. But like, I wanted like some shakeup event to happen. Oh, well, no, I want something cool to happen. I don't want millions of people to happen.

Right, right. But I was like, I want some like fight club. Like I was in like this fight. I watched fight club and there's like, this generation is just found to be consumers. I was like, yeah, I wish something cool would happen. Like we had like some like giant motivating event. And Billy, let me ask you, if Hillary Clinton was actually a reptilian, if those theories are correct? Would you hate her

for being a reptilian or would you be like yo, this is kind of sick. It's like the biggest reptile that we have on earth right now. No, I would be like, do you have secret powers? I mean, you are a fan of reptiles. Can you become a reptile? What species are you? One thing, she would already be a reptile, right?

Are you cold-blooded? Can you maintain homeostasis? Yeah. You'd be fascinated in the biology. Yeah, like, like, how? How does this work? What's the science behind this? Okay, Oppenheimer, the Manhattan Project.

Let's talk about it. Let's discuss the movie's coming out tonight, I think at like midnight. I'm going to go see it on Friday. Very excited about that. I want to clean up one thing. We talked about the Oppenheimer movie on Monday show. We recorded Monday, came out Tuesday. There is no ball quacking behind graphic sex scene.

So here's what's bullshit about that. Yeah. So Ken Jack made all that up, apparently, with multiple Twitter accounts talking about this, right? But I hit, and I would normally, I don't get got often. I'm very good at not getting got. So I, so I had seen the LCB like TikTok or whatever, but I made sure I had seen it other places that like this was a thing. But other places were who got got and they wrote stuff based on what Ken Jack. had done. So everyone thinks, not everyone, but there were other, like, legitimate publications

that wrote articles about like this crazy sex scene in Oppenheimer that Kinjack just made up. Yeah. And I only saw a couple of the tweets that were less obvious, shall we say? Like some of them it was like, okay, this is a troll. But a couple of them were believable. I had not seen. There was one that I would have been like, okay, this is completely fake. But several of them seemed legit. Can some of them where you read it and you think to yourself, Ken Jack wrote this? Yes. Yeah. And I didn't see those.

Can we get a list of all the burners he uses to cause fake news? I mean, you can see how like a whole department in Russia could influence stuff. He's an agent of chaos. The same sort of a directive. But do we have a list of Ken Jack's burner so we can like memorize it? I'm looking for. Okay. So here's, so there's at grunky vice.

Wait, nope. these are those are for Barbie hang on the ones he used for Oppenheimer I saw a list of them but it was like movie guy Tim and shit it was like so we will admit when we get God on this show we got

got okay it was it was a tough look there's no graphic both whacking sex scene in case anybody was deciding whether or not to go see Oppenheimer now I'm going to be watching the movie you know what I'm glad I found out before I went to go see because if I hadn't I would be just waiting the entire time to see killing Murphy's

Wait, wait, wait. Actually, I got God, too, and I'm just realizing it. Did he make up another thing about, like, Barbie in the Iraq war? Probably. Probably, yes. About the thing about Kim Jack is he is perfect at doing things that are just believable enough to actually get people. Like, he did, he gave me a scratch off one time where I thought I had won $10,000. And that's just enough that it's like, if, If it said 20 million, you'd be like, this is fucking fake. But 10 grander, that's a believable amount of money. Yeah. Like, he's good at just towing the line. Like a 15-minute sex scene shot from behind Killian Murphy. You're like, I mean, maybe Christopher Nolan would do that.

Well, I didn't think that it was full 15 minutes of the same shot. But I thought that it was maybe a long, like an extended sex scene that featured that shot prominently. So, hey, hats off to Ken Jack. He did a great job. Very funny. good work but you know we did get caught i'm not going to make excuses we got got i'm relieved it's not in the film yeah yeah okay the barbie yeah there isn't a scene in barbie either where barbys deployed g i barbie in the iraq war and commits war crimes that one seems a bit more

obvious no no i know but i didn't really but like there was so many accounts they're like i didn't know there would be such a neo-colonial neocolonial a critique in the barbara I tell you what, though, Margot Robbie, Iraq War movie, I will pay to see, absolutely. Yeah. Margo Roby anything movie. Margo Robbie doing Algarite. What? You have to finish your words before you laugh or else we can't laugh with you.

I know, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. But there was a female soldier in Iraq who, like, did a bunch of fucked up shit in a prison, and that would probably be a role for Margot. Robbie abu grab yeah hard to pronounce oh you're describing like war crimes okay but that's what they said all right so there's also there's also real quick there's also uh a lot of backlash on the right stratosphere pushing back on the barber movie saying that it's communist chinese propaganda wait is it really yeah they're saying that um they're saying that there's like a in the movie with a crayon and it's like oh yeah they include Taiwan as being part of

china yeah part of China oh man and Ted Groot came out and said they have no right to that land yeah yeah ESPN got in trouble for that when they were doing it was it a game over in china an NBA game in china like a couple years ago and they put a graphic of china up behind the newscaster and it had a seven dot line around Taiwan, including the South China Sea. So the graphic just gave China exclusive fishing rights and shipping rights to the entire South China Sea on this map that was on ESPN. Well, yeah, LeBron phoned that one in. We got to make sure we keep ties right over there.

I mean, the thing is, it's like a billion dollar sway. So if they don't do that, they can't show the movie in China. And that's probably like a billion dollars. are missing out on. It's like why John Cena apologized to the entire nation of China in Cantonese, I think. Yeah. Remember that? Because I think he said that Taiwan was a country and he wanted to apologize to the entire

country of China. Which one? Is Mandarin not the name, the main language? Well, is Mandarin Cantonese? I don't know. I don't know which one. There's a couple variations. Who does the C, which one does the CCP like the most?

I think Mandarin is the most common one. Yeah. Anyways, Oppenheimer. I'm going to go see it. I think a lot of people out there are going to go see it. Probably going to break some sort of record this weekend. But the story, yeah, probably not. Probably not. The story behind the man and the entire Manhattan Project is actually fascinating. So we can get into it. The dude himself, Oppenheimer was born in New York City. And he grew up kind of in a, pretty well to do family. He was born April 22nd, 1904. And ever since he was a kid, he kind of demonstrated a strong proclivity towards physics, towards science, towards experimentation. And he actually went to a school in New York called the Ethical Society, the Ethical Society schools where he went, which was kind of a new breed of school that was designed to teach kids about making ethical decisions in life.

which is yeah but it's kind of crazy that the guy that that built a weapon that ended up being able to destroy all of mankind was taught from a young age at a place called the ethical society did you read about him as a kid though a little bit yeah would you read really weird kid do you hear about like his his rock obsession yeah so he was so obsessed with rocks and like minerals and stuff that he He wrote letters to this mineral, mineralogist, I don't know what they're called, geologist, I guess. Well, he was, there was some society called like the New York Society of Mineralogy or something, but they are geologists, I guess. So he would write letters to this geologist talking about rocks and all this different stuff. And the guy communicated with him back and forth, he was like, you're a pretty smart dude and invited him to speak at their like organization. conference, not knowing that he was 12 years old. And Oppenheimer was told his dad, and he's like, I don't really want to do this. Like, they're going to, like, they don't know I'm a kid. His dad was like, no, you should go do it. Like, they're impressed with you. And he showed up,

and everybody laughed at him. And then he gave a speech about rocks, and they all, like, gave him a standing ovation. Like, he knew more about rocks than anybody had ever seen before. And then he was, he skipped, like, three grades. So he was in high school when he was. In high school, when he He was, like, 11. And his parents sent him to summer camp one time to try to get him to, like, you know, become friends with kids or whatever. And all the kids hated him. And they painted his dick green one time. They, like, pinned him down in a shower and, like, painted his genitals and, I believe, his ass also with green paint.

If there's ever been a better case for why hazing doesn't work, it's this. you pin a kid down you paint his dick you laugh at him you call him green pecker and next thing you know he's committing mass genocide talking about a green

there are a lot of so like why would you paint somebody's dick green and like how your dick's green like no shit you just painted a green that doesn't make that's kind of a sick prank it's kind of a good bit you'll get it here in see what I mean

but there are just there are like really weird stories about this guy he was a odd dude yeah very very strange young man and uh as big t said he skipped a couple grades always like studied and tested way above his level and um spent some time in new mexico when he was a kid too and as a teenager so he grew to love new mexico they went to harvard kind of a weird student at harvard uh but also very very smart i don't think he got hazed anymore at harvard but he he had trouble making friends at one point

he said like i don't need any friends i've got physics which is What kind of a baller thing to say? He definitely had some mental illness, suffered from depression. That was like part of that comment. And at one point he was so depressed that his buddy told him that out of the blue that he was getting married, hopefully to like cheer him up. And Oppenheimer just attacked him. He tried to kill him. He tried to kill us several people.

Yeah. Before he killed the world. Before he killed many. Who did he killed more people, him or Genghis Khan? What was the reason that he strangled his friend that was getting married? I mean, I agree with the sentiment. He was, he was really depressed and his buddy was like, hey, I know what will cheer you up. I'm getting married.

And he was, I guess the reaction was, why would I be happy that you're happy? All right, let me play devil's advocate here. I'm depressed and you hit me with some like happy news. I don't got shit and do with me. It's like you rubbing it in. I think that's right. It also depends on how he said it. You know what I'm saying?

Like you said in their depressed, a little depressed Rocky Oppenheimer. He's all pissed off. And he's like, I mean, shit. You need to get some, maybe you get some bitches. I mean, I'm getting married. You know what if you said it like that? You know, I don't know.

It depends. I might be on Oppaheber's side right here. Or maybe, maybe Oppenheimer was trying to stop him for making a big mistake. Also, he was like, get a pre-nop. Yeah, thousand percent. That's my first go-to with my friends tell me they're getting married. Just being a good bro. He tried to kill one of his professors, too.

Yeah, he poisoned an apple, right? Yeah, not at Harvard. He was at Cambridge in graduate school. And one of his professors didn't like him very much, and he was never just able to get on his good side. And so Oppenheimer put some poison in an apple and left it on his desk. And the guy never ate it. But they tried to pin attempted murder on him, but his dad was like,

had something to do with the faculty or whatever. And he was like, hey, like, don't do that. you know how smart you have to be to try to kill your professor and still graduate yeah yeah and so yeah he went over to uh to cambridge didn't get along with a lot of people over there it's kind of like a running theme in his life um and he was just obsessed with weird shit he was obsessed with science he would forget to eat and just like go days without eating sometimes because he was so obsessed with a rock or i don't know like uh some theoretical thing that he was trying to discover that he just he stopped taking care of himself and uh then after cambridge he went

over to germany and he studied under i think he studied studied under felix born who was like a very famous uh physics professor he also taught heisenberg and fermi those are like the the three names in physics that well four names i know einstein i know fermi i know heisenberg and i know Oppenheimer. That's pretty much it. That's like the Mount Rushmore of. No, no, Newton. Newton's the fourth on that. Oh, yeah. Good point. Good point. Another cell. So he kind of developed a rivalry with Heisenberg. You might have heard his name from Breaking Bad as a Brian Cranston's character, Walter White called himself when he was making, making meth. Do you guys know what Heisenberg was famous for, the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle? Why do I think it has to do something with gas?

No, Hindenberg. Yep, different guy. Very different. Different guy. As I understand, I'll probably butcher this. I'll get a million people telling me how I'm wrong about it. But it's that the more you know about the location that an electron is in when it's orbiting an atom, then the less certain you actually are of its current location.

I guess because they move around so quickly, where if you can like pin a location directly to. I think. If I'm not mistaken, yeah, it's the uncertainty principle, right? So it's like where it's it's it's we don't ever know where an electron is. We know the probability, the high, like the probability of where it is. That's what it is. So it's like 33% it's over here. It's like because of the duality of the of the particles of like waves of light.

If would it be photons, right, your photons. like the duality of yeah waves versus particles and so we never really know where they are we just know probabilistically I think that's what it is that would be a sick nickname for a basketball player that had a nasty crossover

so you think you know where he is and the second you commit to trying to stop him he's gone well what would his name be Heisenberg or they could just call to move the uncertainty principle that was the whole point of that was the whole point of Walter White Heisenberg Because they never could catch him

Yeah And Fermi He was the dude that did the Fermi paradox right Yeah I had something to do with aliens though right Yeah it's like where are they Yeah Yep

Billy's succinct but correct Yeah that's literally what it is The Fermi's paradox Where are the aliens Yeah it's that mathematically It's almost a certainty that aliens exist but we don't know they are. If you look at the number of stars and planets and all that shit, there's got to

be aliens out there, but we don't know where they're at. So he studied under this famous dude. Yeah, Billy? Oppenheimer also during this time tried to fuck his buddy's wife. That's kind of a running theme in his life. He was, who's the guy that fucked Lena of the plug again? Jason Love. Jason Love. He was kind of a Jason Love. You knew that quickly. I just looked it up when we were talking about it earlier. Was this the same buddy that told him he was getting married? Because that's wild. It actually might be.

Let me check. He definitely, over the course of his life, he loved married women. Did you read the story about the couple on the train? I'm obsessed with all the random stories about this guy. No, go off. I didn't read that one. So he was on a train car and in the same car with him as a couple having sex. and he's trying to read a book

and they just keep having sex and he doesn't leave he just sits there and then they finish having sex and the guy goes somewhere into another car or whatever and he just walks up and starts kissing the woman and then like stops

and apparently became super asking for her forgiveness and apologizing and it said the quote was I believe it was was she did not seem unduly surprised, meaning like, I don't think she was like, well, you know, she wasn't telling him to stop.

And then he, he, uh, but at, he was at once overcome with remorse fell on his knees, his feet sprawling and with many tears begged her pardon. Jazz music. Just a weird guy. Was doing crazy stuff to people in 1920s. Yeah, this is, this is what they talked about when they were saying the radio is destroying society

he honestly he gives off major in-cell vibes doesn't he but he was he was still getting late he was fucking everyone that's what I'm saying

he's trying to fuck his buddy's buddy's wife you know what I'm saying the homie he had like eight mistresses he was probably a narcissist was he married yes

he did get married eventually yeah but if you grow up being if you skip like every grade if you're advanced and you're you know by far the youngest person in your class you probably do think that everybody else that's your age is dumb as shit right yeah like you probably grow up thinking very highly of yourself well i mean

wouldn't be wrong yeah it's true do you think he was so smart you was able to manipulate everyone around him yeah i wonder how his social skills were though because i know a lot of smart book smart people that just be stupid like can't can't function around people you know i think very poor from all the things I've read. They weren't good at first. And he improved them as he became a professor. So he left Germany and went back to the United States.

And he started lecturing. And he was splitting his time between East Coast and West Coast. He was at Caltech and I want to say Harvard. And so he's teaching at both schools. And at first, everybody hated his class because he was such a prick and he didn't know how to talk to people. And then he improved on that to the point where his students, and started to love him.

So he did develop social skills later. But he was, again, like so singularly focused on physics that there's a story that he didn't learn that the Great Depression was going on until six months later. So that's how into his own world he was. Hmm. Damn. And he was also, not only did he enjoy banging married women, he loved having sex with communists.

He had several communist girlfriends, some of which were married at the time. But he loved, he love banging old communists, him and Aryan, and she. I mean, she doesn't have to be communist, but it would be amazing if she is. Yeah. That came back to bite him later, which we'll get to. It did. Did, yeah. And he was also, so as World War II starts to break out, the Nazis start to take power, all that stuff happens.

And he was so skinny at the time that they wouldn't let him even join the military. you're like no like i know that we're about to go to war against the entire world but you are you're kind of weak so we don't we don't need you captain america origin story loki oh yeah yeah didn't see captain america it was crying see that that's why they shot him up so he yeah so he had to do drugs tonight a superhero only a weak man a weak man will only understand the true power of strength. Yeah, but Batman can both kick rocks. Horrible superheroes.

I think Batman was athletic before he put on the suit and used his white privilege. Don't care. Trash. Should we get to the origins of the Manhattan Project to sort of give some background before Oppenheimer got involved?

Yeah. Yeah. So in Europe, in Eastern Europe in particular, there were a lot of very smart physicists that were studying the atom and we're studying the amount of energy that could be released if you were to be able to figure out a way to split it or to, you know, cause fusion. And the weaponization implications were pretty clear. It wasn't like people were talking about the atom bomb, but they were talking about this tremendous release of energy that could come

if you could be able to figure out your way around an atom. And at the time, it was mostly a discussion around like, you know, providing electricity or providing energy it wasn't so much about weaponization but people weren't dumb and the physicists were thinking okay well this could definitely be harnessed as a weapon of war and there was this one dude that went over to the united states and i don't know how to pronounce this name i think it's slard s z i l a r d uh sizzard sizzlard yeah that's billy probably pronounced it exactly correct and and he heard heard all this shit about how, you know, this was a possibility to turn this into a weapon. And he thought to

himself, if, if Hitler gets this, if the Nazis get it, then it's game over. It's going to be very, very bad. So he went to the United States and he was trying to figure out a way to convince the president, FDR at the time, to take this consideration seriously and to either stop the Germans from doing this or to build one of their own. So his problem was he didn't know anybody in the White House. He didn't know anybody in government. He's just this guy from Europe. And he's like, you know who is a famous physicist that will have the ear of the president, Albert Einstein. Well, I don't know Albert Einstein. So what am I going to do? He hired or he asked a coworker of his to drive him out to Long Island. I think out to the Hamptons. I think that's where

Einstein spent his summers was in the Hamptons, like a baller. And he didn't know where he lived, just knew that he lived out in this part of the Hamptons. And he asked his co-worker, drive him out there. So they drive out there looking for Einstein's house. And they eventually find it. And they knock on his door, explain why they're there. And Einstein's like, okay, we'll come in. Because Einstein didn't know about, he didn't know that it was possible

because he didn't know the different advancements that they had made at the time. Einstein had always said that he didn't think that it was possible to build a bomb like this. until they sat down in his house and explained to him, here's the recent discoveries that we've made when it comes to uranium 235, which is the specific type of uranium that you can use to make a bomb. So they explain it to Einstein, and he looks at him and he goes, yeah,

I mean, if what you're telling me is true, then yes, it could be turned into a bomb, takes this guy's letter, rewrites it, and signs his name on it, and then sends it to the White House. And so the White House gets this letter, and they're like, oh, shit, this is bad. FDR is told about it. And he's like, okay, well, yeah, we should, we got to do something about it because I'd rather we have it than they have it.

So he put a guy named James Conan in charge of studying, weaponizing nuclear energy. Oh, fucking influential and smart you have to be to just. write a letter to the White House this randomly after a meeting and then shit moves after that? Like that's fucking crazy. You know it's also insane? Einstein never met the proper security level

to ever be involved in the project. He begged to, but he wasn't able, like he couldn't pass. I think it was partly because he was born in another country and he may have been interacting with post-World War II Germany, but he was never able to connect

with the Manhattan Project. Well, yeah, post-World War II Germany pre-pre-World War II. Yeah, they had some questions about it, but it's like, if you were to do this nowadays, it would probably have to be Neil deGrasse Tyson that would sign this letter, right? I mean, if he sent something to Obama,

I think he'd listen. I think, you know what I'm saying? I don't think, yeah, I don't think there's any one scientist that is like bipartisanly respected anymore because a lot of politics have gotten intertwined with science

and so a lot of politicians depending on party lines think that scientists are boom I would say the majority of scientists are left leaning like if it's a right leaning white house administration

they're not going to reach out to like any prevalent scientists I don't think because they think they're biased yeah maybe they didn't like Einstein because he's banging his cousin well FDR was being his cousin too

that's true that's probably why I listened to him like oh cousins yeah cousin banger cousin fucker hey fellow cousin fucker there's a bomb they had a bomb yeah that's why he went to Einstein not because Einstein was like the preeminent mind but it's like hey I know you and him

you guys you guys get each other I think if there's a if there's another discovery to the magnitude of what Einstein did back then because like what he did was like it changed our understanding of the universe right uh then maybe people could look past that and and we would look at them like that but there hasn't been i don't think there has been a discovery uh single-handedly anyway by like one person who uh since then that could be wrong

about that but i don't think there's any been anything impactful as that where he was like it it like catapulted him into like worldwide stardom to where like and that's why he's like kind of a go like he was like also in the i think he was like super good friends with um what is that dude's name charlie chaplin who was like a super big entertainer at the time and like he was like he was like frequenting those circles he was like a celebrity right and he was able to like you know maneuver fine in those circles but i don't think there's any there's been anything since then that has catapulted our understanding of the world or the universe in a way that that did to where he's like i mean he's synonymous with genius right but go look a little einstein over there he's just

synonymous with that because that's the impact that he had baby Einstein go one of the craziest things about why so you know nuclear fission was just was discovered in germany in nazi germany physicist otohan and fritz strassman in 1938 published in uh uh new natar wies schafton which is which is called uh which is like the nature the science of nature they're like their journal and the Nazis knew they had all this technology but because of their anti-intellectual politics all the physicists that would probably been able to help them develop the bomb fled the country even guys like Heisenberg who weren't Jewish were considered uh they called them white Jews who were Jewish acting intellectuals that just because they were smart and doing science

meant that they could possibly be a threat to the regime. So they literally like just like played themselves with their own ideology and their ability to like get to the point. Yeah, the Nazis didn't pursue it as aggressively as they could have because they were like, well, all these things are based on Jewish science. And so they thought that it was all fake and it ended up being their undoing. Yeah. It's actually there was a there was a Sultan.

I'm going to get this wrong. There was a Sultan during the Spanish Inquisition who would, and during the Spanish Inquisition, while all the Jewish people and non-Christians were being kicked out of Spain, he took them all in and he was like, this is amazing, like the Spanish are idiots, the brain drain from doing this. I can't wait to get all these doctors and people who are very intelligent into my kingdom. I got to find the exact quote, but like it's the exact same situation. Yeah. And so this dude, Conan, was put in charge of studying the idea that it could be turned into a weapon. And he knew Oppenheimer from college. And after, I think it was like a year or two, they determined, yeah, it is feasible to make an atomic weapon out of this. And so let's proceed with building this bomb. And they put this dude Leslie Groves in charge of it. Leslie Groves was in charge of the entire operation, not that. the science side, but the military and the project that went along with it. So he was in charge of intelligence, the scientists, the contractors that would be doing all the construction, all that stuff. He was in charge of it. And they decided to have like a three locations set up. One was in the

state of Washington. One was in New Mexico at Los Alamos. And then the other one was in Oak Ridge, Tennessee. Big Tee, what do you know about Oak Ridge? It's Knoxville. Yeah. Do you know 15 minutes? Do you know about the history there? Yeah, that's where most of the like research was done for it. Yeah. It's actually, I went there when I was younger and they got a fascinating museum set up that you can go through and like check out the history. But before before the facility was set up, it was basically nothing. There were some farmers that lived there, a few houses scattered around. And the government came up. up and they just used imminent domain and kicked everybody out of their houses.

They picked it because it was a remote location. It had a good river that was flowing by it that they needed a ton of water for. And because it was in a valley. So there were mountains on most sides of it. The mountains would protect people that shouldn't be there from coming in trying to sneak in. And it would also protect the surrounding community in case there was a mistake. there was a mishap and accident where a nuclear bomb would get set off and it would limit the amount of casualties so they they picked it in oak ridge and they made they built a secret

city there of 75,000 that's pretty cool that they just made like an entire city that nobody knew about and they got a bunch of like construction people to come in build these massive massive buildings. They built homes for 13,000 people, or 13,000 homes. It took about three years to build the city. If you wanted to move there, it costs you like 38 bucks a month, including utilities, which is a screaming good deal if you're looking for a place to live. And they built these huge, huge facilities, including the world's biggest magnet, which I was watching this documentary about Oak Ridge the other day. And I don't know how you build a magnet. I thought magnets just existed.

I thought they'd like mined them out of a mountain, but you can build huge, huge magnets, but they didn't have enough silver to do it. I take Umbridge. It couldn't have been the biggest magnet in the world because the world is a magnet. Okay, good point. All right.

Good point, Harry. Umbridge noted. But is the world in itself? Shit, is water wet? It's magnetic, but is it a magnet? Embrace debate, I don't know. By the way, have you seen how much the magnetic poles have changed in the past couple years? Yeah, I mean, they change a lot, don't they?

Yeah, like true north. Yeah. Like, it might flip one day. That's terrifying. Like, what happens when the magnets flip? I don't know if that's how magnets work. It's like the insane clown posse. song about miracles magnets how do they work no way knows but they decide to build a huge magnet

but they to build a magnet you have to have the certain materially have to have i forget the crust of the earth has some permanent magnetization and the earth's core generates its own magnetic field sustaining the main part of the field we measure at the service so we could say that the earth is therefore a magnet yeah technically wow all right shout out earth shout out earth so they need to figure out a way to get a whole bunch of silver. They needed 14,000 tons of silver to build these giant magnets. And what they were doing was they were trying to, they were trying to extract uranium from various materials. Because in order to create this bomb, they needed weaponized uranium. So there's a big process in extracting

that from the raw materials and then turning into just pure uranium 235. And which is different from the facility that was out in Washington. The one that was in Washington, was a plutonium bomb. And that was a brand new technology that they needed to test. They were with the uranium, that was the bomb that was little boy, the first one that was dropped. They didn't need to test that. The scientists were just convinced it was going to work because basically they were going to fire two pieces of uranium into each other at a super fast speed. And when they collided, it would achieve critical mass and then explode. With the plutonium one, it was a lot different.

So they need to test the plutonium one. They did not need to test the uranium one. they did not need to test the uranium one. But the uranium one, in order to get all this uranium out of the materials, they needed to build a giant magnet in the world's biggest building at the time. They built this massive, like, mile-long structure that wrapped around in a U. And it used one-seventh of the electricity in the United States. Wow. That's how much electricity was flown through this thing.

And to get that much silver, they have. had to go to the U.S. Treasury and take a bunch of silver, like actual rods of silver that the government had for money to back money and bring it with them and melt it down. And they were borrowing the silver. So they returned it after it was over. They're just like, hey, we need to, let me hold on to 14,000 tons of silver real quick. They lent it to themselves. Can you imagine the conspiracies that would be going on nowadays if 14,000 tons of silver went missing from the U.S. Treasury and secret cities were popping up and people were getting their houses taken away and they were building the world's largest building.

I mean, you, the craziest thing is there was 82,000 workers across the country who were working in different regards to build this one bomb. And like, after the war, some of them didn't even find out what the hell they were doing till decades later that they'd contributed to building the bomb. That's the craziest part. I was watching it. I was watching an interview from one dude. He was one of the technicians that worked on it.

And he was like, his patriotism gone too far, he was like, after I found out what it was for, you know, and it was a horrible tragedy, he was like, they asked me, though, if would I do it again? He's like, I absolutely would. So because at least that thing is in the Americans hands first. And I was like, I'm fucking dork, man. I mean, there was a while. Now, when we drop them, when we drop them. I'd rather we have it than the Nazis have it. Yeah.

Right. The Nazis almost had it Yeah, we're just so fucking Like nobody should have this shit That nobody should have this shit But well I was We killed 200,000 people's boil alert Like what do you mean

When we dropped them though We did know that the Nazis didn't have one And that we probably shouldn't use it And then They did it anyway Revision's history Says that we're trying to flex on the Soviets oh no we were trying to flex on everybody that was absolutely true we're trying to flex on the so

but also japan because japan wouldn't surrender and uh everybody involved it was just like uh yo this is what we got but if it wasn't for some norwegian freedom fighters we we wouldn't have had the bomb first there was some Norwegians that sunk a boat full of uh some sort of radioactive material that was going from norway to germany and if they didn't do that the not might have gotten the bomb. So shout out them. Do the Nazis, do the Nazis drop it on us, though? Yes.

No, they'd drop it on Russia. Yeah, I don't think they would because I think Russia was a little more. No, I mean, they dropped it on Russia first, and then they'd 100% drop it on us. I don't think I was so much from up first, though. I don't think they drop it on us first. No, they definitely drop it on Russia. Russia beat the Nazis in World War II. We, like, our invasion of D-Day,

we pushed it back like three years. We kept telling Stalin, yeah, we're going to do it soon. Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. We're going to invade. And Stalin got so mad at us because he was like, hey, we're losing millions of people. And so the Russians beat the Germans on the eastern front. And then we came in, yeah, we did take over France and push back on the Western front and ended up helping the war effort from that standpoint.

But it was, yeah, the Russians would have gotten, they would have leveled Moscow. for sure it was american steel british intelligence and russian blood there you go it's a good bumper sticker yeah or a good album name so um billy was talking about the compartmentalization of the effort where people didn't know what they were doing there's one there's one story that's pretty funny so one of the jobs that they had people do when it came to running these magnets that was pulling all this uh that were pulling all this uranium out it was a job where people would have to sit at a workstation and there would be a dial that would be in front of them that would go either to the left or to the right and when it went too far to one side somebody just had to turn a small knob to make the dial go back to the center and so their job was to sit there watch this needle and then boom left knob or right knob they didn't know what the needle did if you've seen the show severance it's a lot like their job at severance where they're just doing a mundane task for me. mysterious reason that they don't get.

And so they ended up hiring a bunch of high school girls to run these machines. And the U.S. Army, there were some in the army at the time that were saying, why don't we have the scientists running these? It seems like a pretty important job. And they did a test, which is the high school girls doing this over prolonged like eight hour period compared to a scientist doing it over a prolonged eight hour period. And the high school girls beat the scientists. So they're actually better at that job than the,

physicists were. So there were a bunch of, they were called the Calutron girls. And so they spent a long time, I think like a year or so, trying to get as much uranium out of all this shit as they could. And they ended up with like almost no uranium. It was a very inefficient process that they had with this giant building. So they had to figure out a different way to get uranium. And that's actually, that was the biggest magnet, I think, that they'd ever built.

And then the biggest building came after that, after they realized, well, we're not getting enough raw materials out. Or we're not getting enough uranium out of this. We need to figure out a different way. That's when they built a building that was the size of like, I think it was 35,000 football fields. Whoa. Which is crazy. And they built all that to produce 100 pounds of uranium. And I just think it's funny that whenever people talk about big sizes,

things you always have to describe it in football fields that's how we get it speaking of football fields you chicago they built two football fields at you chicago just to hide the metal metallurgical laboratory during the project to hide it under so like i mean i think it was still a d3 program at the time like that should raise some red flags for germany getting two two football fields for D3 program. It's like these guys suck. Like why are they getting two football fields? Like fresh.

What's going on? That's probably what that sphere in Las Vegas is hiding something. What's inside? We don't know. James Dolan's building something in there. So after a couple of years, maybe it was like a year when they came up with this new process to find the uranium, they had enough finally. They had 100 pounds of uranium and they took it to Los Alamos, which is where

Oppenheimer got recruited to run the entire laboratory out, out in the desert. So he hired a shitload of scientists to come work with him. It ended up turning into a very, very, like a much bigger town than they had originally thought because after word got out, that they were working on some very exciting stuff, scientists from all over the United States wanted to come and be a part of this, even though it was in the middle of nowhere. It just became kind of like a, it's like the Silicon Valley of the 1940s. So Oppenheimer, he ran it, and he was also banging married women, left and right, banging some commies.

And they ended up testing little boy, or excuse me, they ended up testing Fat Man. And they had two plutonium bombs, one of which was Fat Man and the other which, I forget what the name of it was. so they set up this giant tower out in the desert and they get ready for the test and the scientists didn't know what was going to happen once they ignited the bomb because there's a chain reaction of all these atoms exploding each other all around it

they thought that there was a possibility that the bomb could set the entire atmosphere on fire and just destroy the world when they tested it. So they like hide behind some wood countdown set the bomb off and you could hear the bomb 200 miles away the government said that it was just an ammunition reserve that was exploding at the time they had like a press release ready to go the next morning for the newspapers for anybody that might have heard or felt something but it was it was a successful test and they thought to themselves okay well send the word

to harry truman we've got the uranium bomb which isn't going to need to be tested and then we've got a plutonium bomb too so pick out your targets and it'll be ready to go but yeah what else did you guys read about los alamos funny thing about there was a uh fictional story called deadline that was written in 1944 by uh american writer cleave cartmill that was just described a secret atomic bomb with some detail and that it was being developed and it was just a fictional story that had some pretty like stuff that you wouldn't know

if you weren't in the Manhattan project so the FBI visited him and was like what the hell why are you writing about a secret bomb being developed do you have any unclassified information are you like talking to anyone in the program

because we need to know it's a matter of national security and he was like no no I just have been using technical stuff I saw from papers that was released from before the war and stuff. But also, you do want to check because every major physicist in the country has changed their mailing address to Los Alamos. Yeah. And they were like, oh, shit.

Like they'd like chain because basically they'd all had to move there and gotten mail redirected. And for some reason, he was trying to consult with various physicists while writing the book to like see what they thought of his fiction. And all of the mail got forwarded to Los Alamos. so he helped show like that there was sort of a you could see if you were sending all the best physicists who to consult on your fictional story if all your mail is getting bounced to Los Alamos you could connect some dots yeah they lived in like dorms there and had parties and stuff yeah and Oppenheimer would drink um it was like pure ethanol mixed with pineapple juice that was his drink that he liked that's insane yeah it's like moonshine like actual moonshine yeah crazy crazy times and and if you were up in harmony probably wanted to take your mind off well you're probably insane anyways but probably want to take your mind off some of the implications of what you're actually doing but the the prevailing wisdom was that

the homeland invasion of japan if we wanted to end the war we would have to go to japan them on their own turf, kill their government, and people thought that was going to be an insanely bloody battle, big cost of life, very expensive in terms of both money and lives that were going to be lost. There's some debate, though, about whether or not we actually needed to invade Japan. There was also, there's some people who are now thinking that Operation Downfall was purposely described as, like, bad, like negative. Like, Operation Downfall doesn't sound good for anybody like downfall like all negative wording like it doesn't sound something like desert storm or like something cool that we're going to successfully like successfully do and they think

that they purposely made the operation sound so dreadful and so you know going to be casualty heavy just to justify them using the bomb and that they did make the plans like they made plans for everything but that the uh just to justify them using the bomb like yeah because some people wanted to to flex for the russians yeah soviet union and say look look at this weapon we have don't try any funny business we've got something that will wipe you out in case you ever want to start a war with us because there's a lot of thought that once germany fell that russia would just take advantage of the chaos and just sweep through all of europe which they kind of did Not all of Europe.

Right, right, but all of Western Europe. Because for some reason, like, every single Russian emperor has had a heart on to sweep Europe. Yeah. I mean, you want to get to the coast. Yeah. So I don't know. It's possible to say, like, what the exact reason was, why we decided to drop the bomb because there's arguments that people make and swear that they're correct about on each side. And also, some people say that the real reason the Japanese surrendered wasn't because of the bombs.

it was because they knew that Russia was about to invade their homeland from the West. So that's why they surrendered. But that also might be Russian propaganda that they've put out there to try to claim credit for winning that part of the war too. I recently got to know what do you think that we, one that we should have or that was it was necessary? I don't think that it was. I don't think it was. I think it was, if you look at the probability of humans destroying ourselves with atomic weapons at some point in our future, it's probably not worth it, right? Because like, okay, you either win this war, but you probably end up killing each other, everybody ends up killing each other at some point in the future, then that's, to me, that's not a good cost benefit ratio.

But counterpoint, if we hadn't gotten at that point, more war would have occurred. It's like almost inevitable that that weapon would be developed. But again, and I guess I'm presupposing the fact that we will all destroy each other at one point in time with nuclear weapons. That's worse than just about any possible war that you could all wrap in and of itself. Like that's entire annihilation of the planet. But between then and now, think about how much conflict, large scale, major conflict, had been prevented from the invention of the nuclear weapon. Billy, what is worse? Having millions and millions and millions of people die or having everybody die? Well, we haven't got. The thing is, the Mexican standoff might hold for the rest of humanity till there's a one world government that can.

controls all the bombs at once forever i mean that ideally would be the right case but the only the only reason why the u.s and and the soviet union never nuked each other is just pure luck there's been so many times where we've come so close to starting just full-scale nuclear annihilation that that we didn't get to but like in the cases where we've had those you know close misses humanity and basically like humanity's resilience to not kill everybody has held through

like the guy who's on the submarine that was told that a bunch of nukes are going towards Russia the Russian guy who didn't decide to send a like he the weight of the world literally cracked him and he couldn't do it. I think we might I think that might be a fail safe of humanity

to not destroy ourselves. So yeah you think that the bombing of these two cities was worth it so that we don't bomb ourselves in the future well that we don't just continue to like like so hypothetical there's no such technology to create such a large bomb that would scare people into surrendering like let's say nuclear technology we just for some reason couldn't invent it we'd still firebom the shit out of each other and just destroy each other in a slower methodical fashion until like we run out of bombs though yeah you're right the firebombing of

Tokyo was worse in a lot of cases and fire bombing of Dresden indiscriminately bombing bombing cities and killing a bunch of civilians like we've we've done that before but it does take more effort to drop all those like thousands and thousands of bombs than it would to drop one bomb I mean there is like the nuclear age has been some of the most peaceful times in human history depends on who you ask what that is that is like on the records true how how you figure like large scale conflict it's some of the least amount of large scale conflict in human history but it's only like 70 years which is just a blip on the radar right but like rome only have gone 70 years these are the most peaceful 70 years

that humanity they've ever seen you ever seen packs romani right like the Roman peace times was like 500 was it I think so let me check that out yeah but we we decided to drop them on Hiroshima Nagasaki and somebody put in a plan to drop one on Kyoto also but they they decide not to drop it on Kyoto because that was just a cultural center with a lot of history and just like all civilians the other cities they said had had a bigger military advantage. So we ended up on those two targets. And then a couple days after Nagasaki, after the second bomb,

Japanese surrendered. They're like, okay, no mas tapped out. Japan tapped. And then, yeah, then the war was over. And afterwards, Oppenheimer tried to set up like an international energy agency that would control all the nukes because he's like, hey, this can't fall into the wrong hands. they ended up

the United States ended up taking Oppenheimer off of any responsibilities related to nuclear weapons because they thought he might be a communist because he banged so many. So I thought maybe he caught some communism. It was contagious.

And then we kept testing nuclear weapons for a while. Have you guys read about the Castle Bravo bomb? In the Bikini Aetal Islands? So we set off a couple bombs because we wanted to figure out what it was going to happen if you dropped an A bomb on a bunch of ships. Well, SpongeBob would look like. Yeah, yeah.

Bikini Bada. Yep. That's what happened. They dropped the bomb and SpongeBob happened. Good point. So the first one we dropped from the air and we missed our target by like 800 yards, which was just a bad bit of bombing.

I would get much, much closer than that. But they, that first experiment destroyed a few shows. ships. But the second one that they exploded was an underwater test. That was the Castle Bravo bomb. And the head of the U.S. military had to get on TV and explain to everybody that they were doing this test for a reason. And there's a lot of disinformation out there about what people think might happen when this bomb explodes under the ocean. And he had to get on TV and say, the bomb will not punch a hole in the bottom of the ocean and drain all the water into the center of the earth, which

it's got a ride. It would be it would be kind of cool. We flood all the aliens living the hollow earth. Yeah, we get to see what's down there finally. Flush them out.

But the bomb that they ended up exploding underwater, you can watch gifts and video of that bomb happening where it just shoots up this massive mushroom cloud and then these ships get tossed around like their rubber ducks in the ocean. It's strangely mesmerizing

and cool to watch. But it ended up being way, way, way more powerful than thought. So it basically polluted an entire part of the world and gave a shitload of people cancer. And there are parts that you still can't go to now because it's too radioactive from that one test. Damn. And along the same time period, the Russians discovered the bomb too, because we had a scientist that defected over there, gave them all our secrets.

And they started building bombs until they built a bomb that was so big that it just basically decimated an entire. island that you still can't go to and they said okay there's no there's no way to test any bigger bombs than this it was the czar bomb the czar bomb yeah czar bomb's insane

which is like hundreds and hundreds of times more powerful than the one that was at Hiroshima dude the irony of these bombs when they explode it's fucking beautiful yeah I just watched the underwater

one it looks sick it is yeah I mean have any of you guys taking any M80s and like thrown them in like lakes or anything during July 4th yeah blowing stuff up is fun so cool like that is insane yeah do you think I when Oppenheimer saw the bomb explode for the first time he was like this is sick you know what's really fun probably he did say The quote from ancient Sanskrit, now I become death, destroyer of worlds. I wanted to talk about that. Yes.

And you remember our guy, our guy who came on with the same name as the actor in succession, Professor Brian Cox. That facility in Switzerland, they have like a statue to that god and they do some weird,

there's a weird video of them doing a weird ritual we asked Brian Cox about that and he said it was like a Monty Python sketch that these funny guys were doing but really Monty Python yeah Monty Python like it's some like good like you know English humor that they were doing over there but like when you have scientists who are dealing with a some sort of you know hydron particle collider that might destroy the world like you can't be doing funny rituals like your you know Satan is cult because that's just not fun for anybody

because it makes everyone nervous they were drinking pineapple juice and ethanol out in Lost Island most you like you gotta have fun but when you're like that that's just doesn't give anybody confidence that what you're doing is for the good of humanity but Big T

go off on this saying because I think I've got the same take you do Oppenheimer for sure combed over hundreds of he's like so what's my thing going to be. And he was, he, he came across that one. He's like, oh, people will remember this one. This is. And he made sure, hey, guys, guys, come here. I want to, I want to tell y'all something.

I want to say something. Hey, hey, guys, I am become death. And like, he wanted to make sure that everybody heard him and everybody knew that that was his little catch phrase now. It's, it's, it's, yeah, it was cringe. It was cringe. It was a try hard move. You probably walked around to multiple people. And set it to different people. Just in case. Yeah. Did you hear that? I've been wondering that shit about history in general because a lot of like the prestigious shit that we remember or read about or whatever like it's probably didn't go down like that or like people during were like

the fuck are you talking about dog like shut up I feel like everything was much more serious like you knew you were going on camera and that's what I don't think so and that's what I was probably banging a commie and he nutted and he goes now I am become death destroyer of worlds right after she's like that's good you should you should write that down What an awful sentence, by the way.

Just the sentence construction bothers me. Well, he's quoting. I know. It's a translation from Hindu. I know. But still, it could have cleaned it up. Yeah,

I agree. It's grammatically incorrect. You think he's so smart. I mean, I think it was much more serious back then, like day-to-day life. I don't think there was much funny stuff when there was such more. What are you talking about? You think nobody laughed in the four days.

Everybody walked around like, mad is like no I'm honest I'm going to like jokes no because the thing is when when you're in close prox bad reading of back then no no but if you're in close proximity

didn't get a shit about any of this is going on and they just was going about their daily day life I think they came to weekends playing cars going to flappers you know no no but that was the roaring 20s

that was the roaring 20s the roaring 20s it wasn't funny anymore there was a war going on like everybody was like like they were definitely fucking around During the Iraq war?

Yes. How much did you pay attention to that shit? I think post 9-11 wasn't as funny as it was now. I think there was definitely a different, like when it just happened. Yeah, and like a couple months after it happened. People were still fucking around, but it was still like, we got to get the terrorists. Like, George Bush. We didn't give a shit.

I could tell you, bro, people give a fuck like about what happens today daily. Like, nobody gives a fuck about that shit. Nobody cared back then either, though. There are. George Bush goes, we were going to find these terrorists. Now watch this drive. Top 10 clip in the history of America. That's a quote.

Oppenheimer could learn a thing or two from George W. That's how you get a quote off. No, but he's standing out in Alamagordo, New Mexico. The plutonium bomb goes off. And then he's got, he's got tailor made in his hand. And he turns to the press corps. Now watch this drive. And by the way, he striped it.

down the fair way. Bombed. No, but bomb. No, but because like, for example, when he filmed that video, he probably was being told, you know, oh, you have to show up for this thing. Like, it's going to be at two o'clock. It's a whole big taping. And that probably doesn't happen that much back then because media, like, look, I hop on

a microphone and talking to a camera. And there's so many people who can do that that we have like time to fuck around. They like cut something. But he probably was like, I have to get. on there and say something meaningful because this is probably my one chance so he prepared something right that's cringe yeah but now we look back and now he's like all of his you don't think that people had any fun and they were yes yes totally consumed with the war like what is you saying of course they had fun when they like put in their 12 hours trying to beat the

Nazis after they beat the Nazis and they drank all the time so let's talk about okay but just people in society yeah people did they like did they not give a fuck like that. I think he gave a fuck. I think he definitely, after putting in his tons of hours of not sleeping, trying to develop a bomb to win the like you said people in general, like life was more serious and nobody had fun. That's not exactly what I said. I think they took large events and like global issues a little more seriously than we do because it affected their day to day. Like when you're getting rationed and especially in England, keep calm and carry on, they had good like German, uh, English, uh, English, humor about it, but they still, when your life is way more affected by world events, you're going to take stuff more seriously. Yeah, if there's a war going on in your country. About World War II, it's based on what you've seen in like newsreels.

United States at war. And then like a bunch of people like go like a bunch of kids like going to sign up for basic training, a bunch of women in their victory gardens, like growing vegetables and shit. No, I talk to my grandma. That's what the highlights on the news were, but people were dicking around. No, my grand, of course they were dicking around, but they were taking like, they, like, the stuff they had to take seriously, they took seriously. So like, when my grandma talks about them doing bombing drills in her, in her school when she was like little, like, they weren't fucking around during the bombing. They took those seriously as you took your fire drills. They were fucking around during those drills. I guarantee it, though. Nobody can. We have active shooter drills in schools right now. You think kids aren't fucking around with each other. I know, but like. Slap boxing in the bathroom. Yeah. I just during your. look at you're just looking at history in this like very narrow view like no i just were one track might as no of course they fucked around of course they've been really really humans are

humans are humans they have been joking and fucking around since the beginning and they're going to continue to do the same thing i'm i'm just saying you guys how people cope i don't think i don't think when he was making that sentence he was fucking around i think he was taking his time in front the camera seriously talking about that's a goal shift that's not what we're talking about that's what I've been saying the whole time. I don't think that at all. I think Oppenheimer definitely fucked around but he definitely was taking his time in front of the camera seriously. Which is more cringe.

Yeah. Just drop the bomb, dude. I think we look back. It's like, hey, big T, it's like, remember when Stanton hit his first home run as a Yankee and John Sterling had a call ready for it and he goes, John Carlo, noncee Pue de

Parlo, like he had an Italian phrase that was ready and everybody was like, what was that? That sucked. For a guy He sat down, trying to figure out the exact right thing to say when staying in his first home run. For a guy who two years prior was named Mike. Yeah. There's been a lot of those, like, and you can tell when it's not off the cuff and they have been plotting in the hotel rule for weeks. They knew they were going to broadcast this certain game and they try to correlate it.

It's a little cringy. I feel what you say. I feel you saying. That's Oppenheimer. I have a quick stat regarding the current post-war peacetime. quick stat go it's actually a big stat between 1823 and 1939 there were 19 large wars with major conflicts occurring every 6.2 years between 1914 1939 which is about the first two world wars 10 large wars erupted one

every 2.7 years in the long piece between 1940 to 2003 post-war period there were only five large wars about one every 12.8 years so it's kind of kind of been statistically less violent than previous centuries. Okay, but because of large wars, there were only two superpowers. So there weren't as many other large wars that could have happened unless it was us against Soviet Union. Right. Thus. So, yeah, I mean, listen, wait, don't, I think that's an incorrect way of looking at it.

Look at death tolls. I don't think, and you have to look at it proportionally as well, but I think you look at death tolls you don't look at just how many wars there have been right but proportionally i think the more of the population were involved in wartime pre uh pre the 1945 piece 1945 peace peace time i still think it's just a it's a small blip on the map right the packs or monum was two thousand a two hundred years 200 years Okay. So, I just want to, it has brought a new age.

Like, we have gotten at the point where, like, countries, like, like. Then I fuck us. Right, but like humanity has progressed so much from the invention of the nuclear bomb. I reject that shit wholeheartedly with everything in my soul. You don't think we've made huge advance. I don't give a fuck. You tell that to the 200,000 people that were just growing. grocery shop and then died and you saying like it was it was for some fucking noble cause that

we wasn't going to kill people later like fuck that shit like what's you talking about you know if you lost a family member in that shit you wouldn't be saying this shit i reject that shit with everything in me dog and also billy you're you've been the most scared person here of world war three breaking out because of the ukraine russia thing right and the implications that would surround that right but like a nato but we can't read a nato against russia campaign we can't rewrite i know i know No, but I'm saying that because we have these weapons, that's why you're scared of World War III breaking up. Right, but also you can't stop the march of, you can't stop progressively.

Yeah, but we're, but we're saying, like, is it worth it to have done this in the past? And if we had never done this, then you would not be afraid to the level that you are. No, because the nuclear exchange between NATO and Russia. We'd be more likely to be in a war right now if there wasn't a bomb. But the war that would result from an atomic bomb and multiple atomic exchanges would be hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of times worse than a normal war. Russia would have already steamrolled all of Europe if it wasn't scared of us nuking them. I don't know if that's true because they couldn't steamroll Ukraine. Well, they would have they wouldn't have done a military, they would have done a full-on blitzkrag instead of a military operation.

I don't know. I don't know if you can, like, prove that or not, but... Well, also, they would have gone after NATO countries because Article 5 wouldn't be so catastrophic. Article 5 wouldn't result in a nuclear strike. Well, now you're just arguing allieship. People have always invaded or not invaded, depending on who got the bag of who.

But, Bill, you've also argued that Article 5 is dumb and that we shouldn't pay attention to it because it could result... When did I never said that? you're afraid of it resulting in a nuclear exchange between NATO and Russia. Right. That's why Article, that's why, like, Russia would invade, like, Poland or someone invoke Article 5, that would be bad. Yeah, but you're arguing, you're arguing both sides of it.

You're saying that. Yes, because I have balanced intuition, and I know that there's benefits and cons to both arguments. Well, there's definitely benefits and cons to both. I'm just saying, like, which one is worse. I don't know I don't know if it's been a good thing It helped us win World War II

Which is good That's a good thing It's kept some peace Which is also a good thing But also it could destroy the entire world Which is a bad thing Probably a worse thing Than us

Not winning World War II In the same way that we did Now this is going to sound like a Out there argument But I don't doubt it Chernobyl the Chernobyl zone has recovered way better than anyone would have thought back when it originally

happened what could have been a lot worse there were some things that they did to take care of it at the last minute that ended up saving basically all of Europe from getting fucked right and there's people living in the restricted zone right now so I do I like to think in you know a very optimistic way that if shit were to go down, everything would go get blown up, there could one day be life and be humanity that would recover. Maybe some humanity, but also... Yeah, it would be the destruction of the total world as we know it.

But there's no nuclear exchange with the nuclear winner and all that shit that would happen afterwards. It's just, it's insane to me that that is even plausible in your brain. that you think that any conflict on this planet Earth would be justified for that shit is fucking yeah conflict conflict I think

the invention I think nuclear weapons like has definitely nuclear proliferation in the sort of Mexican standoff and prevent like you know deterrence it has caused I think isn't worth you know

I mean if so what's the number 200,000 who died from these bombs probably more than that but yeah like when you're taking the radiation over the years all that stuff but you know if we didn't have that and we had war for 10 more years more than 200,000 people would die so i mean i know you can't conflate numbers but you know we're going to be arguing different figures if it didn't happen yeah okay so i guess i'm arguing the possibility that 6 billion people die weighing into my figures but that's a hypothetical number it's a hypothetical yeah but it's a

realistic hypothesis so would your argument of if nuclear weapons were never invented also the the thing is nuclear weapons never being invented uh i'm sorry if i had been pronouncing nuclear no you've been doing i've been doing well thank so uh i'm the thing i might have just said it fuck me up um but we that like uh deterring the advancement of science is never going to happen like people are going to build on knowledge that was made before unless something like the destruction of alexandria were to occur like library of Alexandria like we're not never not going to get to the like that advancement of science like we weren't can it never unenvent nuclear fission and have it not happen so you're arguing the development of

these weapons was inevitable inevitable i guess the question would be do you could i i get what billy's saying do you do you think that if we don't drop those bombs someone else does over the course of the last 80 years at any point that's the that's the chess game that we've been playing for i don't know how long my my argument is i'm i'm anti-war and i'm a human being like i'm anti-war so all of these there isn't a conflict on this earth that can justify dropping those on innocent civilians in my opinion not one i agree with you in that it was bad. I wish it never happened. I wish it never happened.

I agree with you for that point. I don't think you necessarily do because what you're then saying is it happened is what it is. And I'm kind of glad that it did because dot, dot, dot, all the reasons. It's like when people always tell me, like, I've heard this argument before

from Christians, from black Christians, I've heard this before. If it wasn't for slavery, I would have never found Christianity. And I'm like, oh, you are a fucking moron. And I'm not saying you. I'm saying that argument is moronic. But that is the reasoning that I'm hearing.

You're saying it was justified because in your mind, later on, it has a possibility of deterring, more killing, and more war. If I'm hearing you correctly. I mean, think about how our society has like, remember. Am I hearing you correctly? I mean, look, do I, would I ever want 200,000 people? Just answer a question. Why are you doing all this? I'm trying to say, are you hearing that I'm sort of glad it happened in a perverse way?

No. No, that's not what I'm. I'm not trying to pin you on that. I'm saying that you are justifying its creation because you're saying the ends justify the means. You're saying McAvely. It was worth it in the long run because there was going to be death and war anyway. That's what you're saying. I think if you look at, if I'm hearing you correct, if you look at the post-war progression of humanity since then, I think there has been great leaps and bounds.

I don't, I think a pre-nuclear world was a much harsher, much more violent world where, you know, like if you, if you look at it, men beat their wives, men get trained to be killers to fight in land wars. I was on a cusp of like understanding what you're saying. No, but it was a much more violent place. Are you, come about like, I just want you to think through your arguments now. Now it's just funny. I think the post, I think the post nuclear world is a much. There is not a man on this earth that does not beat his wife because of nuclear weapons. Actually, this is a really strange.

There's a. What are you talking about? No, there's actually, there was basically, I always smack the shit We got that bomb This is the crazy thing I made this argument once earlier in the show And I keep thinking about this

Like if it wasn't for nuclear weapons Like men Like men became useless Because nuclear weapons were invented Okay You need a two-week internet detox No no no no no no Hear me out because people remember

People will remember I said this Because of nuclear weapons Men don't constantly have to train to be part of the army and don't constantly they are worth less to society because not fight constantly start fighting wars.

Constantly training to be in the arm also do you think back in the 19thirties dudes were just going out and doing sprint workouts up and down the hill just in case a war happened they could be ready no I mean think about it like there was a draft there was a constant like men in society held a role where they'd have to go to war

if the hypothetical situation happened the total structure now we could have a draft right but we have enough of a standing army that we would like at this point we would never get drafted because you hope right right you hope but if you think about like European societies throughout pre-war they were constantly at war with each other there was constant need for men to be armed fighting and basically toxic masculinity was bred out of the culture of constant war between nation states on the European continent. That is where that all came from. That's where toxic masculinity came from? Yeah, if you date back, why, why is, why do you have to be, you know, why? What is toxic masculinity? Maybe that's the broader question.

I actually read, like, post, post, there was some article I once read in college that was written by, like, one of my classmates. I was like, post, uh, the post nuclear war, world has, uh, has, uh, debased the need for toxic masculinity and we're dealing with its consequences. It was like a feminist in my class. I actually agreed with her because the fact that we're not constantly at war because people don't fuck with each, like countries don't fuck with each other because of, you know, nuclear proliferation and the threat of a land war between, you know, where men will be sent

to the front and die, you know, like, like the quote where men used to go to war and now they're just talking behind microphones. Yeah, that's a meme. but the sentiment is still there. Like, why did men have to go to war? What was the difference between men now and men before where they used to go to war? This take has spiraled so far out of control. I don't even know where we are.

It's not that wild. That is the biggest reach. Why did men used to go to war? They had, there wasn't nuclear weapons and people would go to war more easily because they weren't deterred. People still go to war. Yeah, there's still war. Right, but in Western society, there hasn't been as many wars post.

nuclear yeah it post post the bomb there has been as many wars in western society and that's why there's this sort of like you know what I'm saying I know I don't I don't get what there hasn't been as many wars in Western society post for what the nuke so take me from there to toxic masculinity because Russians are definitely way more badass and toxic than us because they've been warring and they're not like in this post if you like can we agree can we agree okay keep it a buck you have not thought this through i've thought this through okay well then land you playing then okay okay okay okay men from countries that experience more war are definitely more toxicly masculine than american men in a lot of men in western society true or false

i have no idea you'd have to define toxic you have to you'd have to define toxic you'd have to define I knew Billy was about to go with the Chetchen take. I can't decide if this take is like really right wing or really left way. It's not. It's not. It's not. Also, Billy, do you think that being in like constant conflict and all the trauma that goes along with that probably leads to some aggressive behavior from your society?

Exactly. That's what I'm saying. The post-nuclear society we live in is a much kinder world. It's a much kinder society. and that is the benefit from this post-nuclear world. There's a lot of people whose parents weren't killed by bombs, is what you're saying?

That's such a reason. Because what you're doing is you're taking the advancements of social justice and only possible the movements of feminism and all of these things. You're taking all of these like, I would say hundreds of variables and you're saying because, I think if there's a

lot of people that would argue that the post-nuclear world has been totally more progressive and has been able to be that way because we haven't been under constant pressure of conflict with other nations. Okay, you just said that that's only possible in a since what about like the women's suffrage movement in the 1920s? I think that's a much slower move of progression since then. we've had, if you can't agree that the past, you know, 70 years is it that since World War II that we haven't had an exponentially faster progression in social and science and everything then. But wow, not definitely not. I wouldn't say science. But that's not necessarily correlated to the atomic bomb. The atomic bomb revolutionized the world in social, political, a thousand

aspects that you can't but but you're you're you're you're isolating it into this one thing but like there's so many other things that happened in a civil rights movement like that was coupled with LGBT um a lot of progress in that uh in those circles uh like women's rights like all of these things i i guess i'm just struggling to to to hear what you're point is and if let me just clarify really quick because it's out you've been everywhere so you're saying because of the advancement of that weapon that men don't have to constantly train not war okay I'm trying to hear what you right when you say that's what I heard men have always have to be a constant constantly training for war that's literally that's what

you said I'm saying that the post the post nuclear society Western society is a much kinder place a much more progressive place because in places that aren't you know

almost unified by proliferation of the threat of everyone nuking each other like our ability to spread democracy across the world oh my God

has been a result of our development of the nuclear bomb is that would you argue with that because our ability to spread them no we've been uh imperializing nations since the onset of this nation right but because we came the top dog have the big bombs we're able to spread democracy using our influence two democracies have never really gone to war with each other so we prevented wars from happening by increasing trade. Countries that trade with each other are less likely to go to war with each other. They practice similar, you know, progressive democracy and sort of, you know, people are

able to choose their own leaders. Because there's less war in those areas, we build kinder societies as opposed to areas that have dictatorships, have differing authoritarian regimes that end up going to war with each other a lot, causing their populace and their culture to be much harder, less progressive, more conservative, and, you know, don't have a lot of the progress, like wouldn't allow a lot of the progressive movements that we have in our Western society in theirs. Like, for example, like, you know, there's a lot of places like that don't have the social justice movements that America has. And one of those reasons is because we are a post-war democracy that has been a kinder nation because of what we've been

through. We're a powerful nation. Because of those bombs, we are a powerful nation that has been able to have social progressive because we are at our core, kinder from our lack of constant turmoil as opposed to Chechnya. I don't think it's a question of kinder. I don't think kinder is right. I think it's the U.S. hasn't had to go into like a massive world war since World War II because of nuclear deterrence.

I think that's probably that's probably a fact. Right. You're linking social progress. I'm sorry. Go ahead. No, I was just saying like we've been able to. I think Billy's not like far off in the fact that we haven't been to war. Like yes, there was Iraq.

There was Vietnam. Those definitely created their own set of problems. So it's not like we've been totally peaceful. right but but but we haven't fought a massive global war since world war two and there's been other stuff to to concentrate on a little bit i i don't western nations took i don't think he's totally wrong but i also don't think that like the world has gone soft because we're not constantly training for wars the reason western nations haven't had to mobilize the majority of their populace for war in a long time meaning you're having less people come back with

SD having, you know, the mental health issues that causes like domestic violence, you know. I mean, we have had worse. We probably shouldn't discount Iraq or the Afghanistan war in Vietnam. Like those, yeah, those affected a large majority of like a good amount of men who came back with issues. But the difference is when you mobilize the majority of your society. Why would you talk that? I think that's what I'm confused.

Why would you? So I guess you're linking PTSD symptoms. an abuse to toxic masculinity I think there's many people who do that wait wait abuse to toxic masculinity PTSD you know I think is

undone dealt with PTSD can cause you know like that's why I actually to define toxic masculinity because and you haven't done it because you said originally the claim was

people don't fight wars or no what did you say something about people don't beat their they didn't they don't beat their wives or something like that because it was because of the nuclear bomb nuclear bomb but you'd have to define toxic masculinity

because I'm unsure what you think it is basically basically just men expressing their masculinity through violence and antisocial behaviors that affect other people. And you're saying that's on the decline because of the nuclear weapons we have? I think if you went to 1940 and took a bunch of dudes that they would be more violent, more racist, more sexist, more closed-mise.

minded than a random group of dudes right now. If you took a group of people from 1960 to now, they would be all of those things too. Absolutely. And we progressed from that time. But I would also say you took a group of dudes from the year 1,200 and then introduced them to a group of dudes from 1935, the guys in 1935 would probably be more progressive than the people in 1,200. Actually, that might not be true. It was pretty progressive places, 1,200, maybe... All right, so now we're arguing just like particular cities.

Yeah, there's what I'm talking about. Like Rome, like Rome was pretty progressive. What I'm saying is like, why do you not... Or why you do you play such a heavy emphasis on the nuclear nuclear deterrent and not like people that pushed for social... change and like died for it here because i think their voices would be silenced if there were other pressing issues outside of the society like an impending threat you also realize that's also that progressive doesn't translate to just like orgies everywhere right that's not what i'm saying that's

like rome had slaves rome was more open of sexuality than yeah sexual but i'm talking about like Why are we going back to like that? Okay, let's keep it to your point. They were also very open. During the Vietnam War, like a lot of black folks opposed it because famously, Muhammad Ali said, why am I going to go fight the white man's war out there? But I'm not getting the rights that I deserve here. And so he sat out.

A lot of people were fighting in against that war. Because there was a war that didn't affect those at home as acutely as, you know, if we were fighting against Mexico and there's people at the border and there's a chance that those people might come into the United States and come and get them. During World War II, there was a real concern that German U-boats were going to come bomb the New York Harbor. There was a German U-boat at the mouth of the New York Harbor because the war was so far away and the Vietnamese weren't a real threat to the U.S. homeland, people were able to wake up

because they couldn't. That doesn't make sense. Because there's been anti-war protests every war. black folks have been fighting for against oppression in this country during war all of those wars that you're mentioning World War I, World War II since Jim Crow laws and so what you're saying

I just don't I just don't understand the premise of it very well like I don't understand why you're not linking why don't you link the social progress of America to the people and not some bomb well I think the people were then able to do those things

in the peace that was, I mean, think about, it comes with everything. Playboy wouldn't have been possible if it wasn't for the bomb. What? That, in, playboy was some of, people would talk about Hugh Heffner being one of the first, like, people of the progressive movement

because he freed white, like, he freed, like, the, the, you're going to have to make the connection to the atomic bomb here for me. I think, like, Playboy, Hugh Heffner, that I think, idea of being like a non-traditional lifestyle being outside of conformity would only have been possible in the post-war world?

I just like the idea of the domino meme where it's the atomic bomb and then porn. Playboy. I think Billy's take can best be summarized as Oppenheimer, the original SJW. He eradicated toxic masculinity. It did because we could have bomb. the nuclear bomb would like sort out all of our wars instead of literally men on the front lines having to fight tooth and nail and, you know, be toxic to other countrymen who are coming to either invade or protect their land. I think this is the most I've ever heard someone extrapolate anything. It's, I think it is no.

I mean, literally the mean, we can move on. I just hate the fact. I just, I just, I just, I think the way I push back so much. And we're a little long winning now. But I just hate the idea of 200,000 dead bodies being the sacrificial lamb for some hypothetical, for some hypothetical scenario in which we are a more peaceful nation because of it. You know what I mean?

I just hate that idea. Like, I push back against it. Would you rather the idea that they died for absolutely nothing? They did die for absolutely nothing. That's my, that's why I hate the idea. I think that might be a worse. They did die, which immediately had the impact of Japan's surrendering. So it stopped that war.

And who knows what would have happened if the land invasion of Japan was going to work out or not. Oh, man. I just think we're so desensitized to death that y'all don't imagine yourselves just going about your daily life. And then a bomb comes and kills everybody that you know and that you love. Like I don't think you know it's fucked up. I just don't think you understand the same time my dick. There is no same time for those people. But at the same time because that that happened, there's been less of that in the 21st century.

We don't know that. It has still, it does still exist. Like there still has been drone strikes. That's what I'm saying. We don't know that. There's been millions and millions of people have died post all those wars, but my, I guess, I guess maybe, maybe I'm just more of a, I don't know, I'm more empathetic to those sacrifices. than y'all because like maybe it's just we're just we like I said we're desensitized to death and it's like well those people had that like I get we joke a lot

about death and stuff but I just can't imagine having a family dog and then all a sudden this shit just gets dropped on you and you has and that conflict has nothing to do with you because a lot of people that are in societies are never really are aren't for war some people are some people are not but it's not your it's not your battle these are governments fighting and it's rare that a people are are actually fighting. That happens, but it's rare. And I just, that's why I'm anti-war because it's like a few men's conflict becomes millions of dead bodies. And I think, I just can't get over the fact that that shit was worth. I just can't. And I will not. And it may be a me thing.

I could be wrong. I don't know. I just don't feel like that. And also, and also, the last point I say about it is I know there's a lot of people that died and fought for civil rights in this, in this country. And it's not just black civil rights. It's, it's, it's, It's LGBT, it's women's rights. It's civil rights in general have died for that shit on this here soil. And you kind of like just saying, yeah, but if it wasn't for the bomb, they would have never fought and died for it. There's people fighting for civil rights before and after the bomb.

So it just doesn't make any sense. Like, I don't know. I mean, really is extrapolating. And I'm not saying that that's impossible. I'm not saying that the thing is if I almost want to say because it was more peaceful time, they had time to fight for those causes as opposed to fighting someone trying to invade or

fighting trying to invade someone else because we were in a more peaceful time period. I just like the idea that the nuclear bomb caused Playboy. No, but you are extrapolating. Billy's doing a lot of extrapolating. We can figure out whether or not he's right. I'll leave that up to you, the listener,

the macrodotions out there. But I don't think that we're going to make any more progress in this conversation. I feel like we've set our points about it. But it was a good episode, good episode, and we will see you guys next week. Next Tuesday, we'll be back. And, yeah, go see Oppenheimer or don't. Go see Barbie instead.

Barbie would not exist without the atomic bomb. It wouldn't. It wouldn't. Okay. We would be using plastics for fighting a war as opposed to making toys. Love you guys. You know, Oh,

Oh, and Thank you. I don't know.