Macrodosing: Arian Foster and PFT Commenter - Iraq War

Episode Date: July 27, 2021

On today's episode of Macrodosing, take a trip back to the beginning of the Iraq War and find out how it changed the course of our history. From Dick Cheney to Smart Billy talking about John Cena and weapons contracts, you'll hear it all. Also, find out if Billy and Big T can go an entire month eating from one specific fast food restaurant. All of this and even more on the show. 00:00 - 38:00 Fast Food, Kidney Stones, Milk, Homeless People, Beyond Meat, etc. 38:30 - 1:40:00 Iraq War 1:41:00 - 2:02:00 U.S. Propaganda 2:18:00 - 2:26:00 NFL and VaccinationsYou can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/macrodosing

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I heard that we had kind of the bad boys of the Tuesday morning podcast game over here. We had her last episode pulled off of YouTube. Why? Because it was too sexy, Avery? What was the... Yeah. We were too handsome. Yeah, too handsome. So, you know, got to save some Poon Teng for Stephen Crowder. So they took us down. So we are back.

Last week's episode was a banger. I feel confident in saying it was a, it was a banger, wasn't it? It was... What was the last week's episode? Mass hysteria, right? No, yellow journalists. We didn't really talk about it. Yeah, it was yellow journalism. It was a banger, though. Two bangers in a row. It's almost bangers only for the boys here

So yeah Go listen to last week's episode Is it back up on YouTube or is it Is it per are we permaband? Yeah, no it's back up I love reading through the comments You guys are awesome Someone's like

It's 40 minutes in And they finally started talking about Yellow Journal We know what we should do Like honestly we should try to get All of our videos kicked off YouTube So that way we can complain That we're being silenced

That's a really good way to get more views Like the Nelke books They're just demonetized Yeah They can post but they just make no money. Arian and Coley, what do you guys think? Do you guys have any good strategies for, like, how we can, what we can say or do to get

kicked off YouTube, or at least so that we can say that we got kicked off? I can, uh, I can film myself finding a Nazi and punching him, and then we put that on YouTube and that'd be fun to watch. Yeah. If I, yeah, they would take that down and it's getting violence. Yeah. I think if, if we just put like a three second clip of any Olympic game, that'll get us kicked off, but we can say it's for

our takes. Canceled. Yeah, we got canceled. You two was out to silence. International organization tore us down. They wanted to stop us from getting the truth out there. Yep. Well, you know what came from a lab? What? Beyond meat.

Did it really? Yeah, they grow it in a lab. They do? It's not even meat. Yeah. They grow beyond meat. Beyond meat is created in a lab. I thought that it was naturally occurring and that it accidentally got like somebody tried it for the first time and then they brought it to a market and they're like hey eat this beyond meat and then it just spread everywhere big vegan what is what is beyond me what is it something they put together in a lab

they literally it's it's it's vegan um like no no i know the product but i'm saying like what is it how how is it made i don't even know i'm gonna look up here i think they grow it like on a tree yeah a lot of weird stuff are coming from labs lately really yeah they'll ban you off youtube for saying you're telling me it's yeah we're on the golden age of labs right now the golden labs is what they're calling it it's the cutest age of all time it is the goldenators of laboratories yeah uh beyond meat is actually not bad tasting i might i might get canceled just personally by billy for saying that but i had the beyond meat the sausage patty at duncan donuts those are good yeah it it doesn't it doesn't not taste like

sausage and when you add in cheese and an egg to it and put in a wrap it's not bad it's pretty good actually. Arian, it's the proteins are pee, mung bean, faba bean, and brown rice, and then their fats that they use are cocoa butter, coconut oil, expelor-pressed canola oil, uses pressure and not chemicals. It's like non-GMO, and then it's like beet juice extract for coloring and stuff. So it's like all made from plants, but then there's like weird, like, extracts and calcium alginate.

Someone wants to let me know what that means. Are we ever going to get to a point where we can just straight up, like, grow a piece of meat that's not attached to an animal? Like, can we grow a ribby steak? I bet they could right now. They've been doing that. They've been growing, like, cells in petri dishes to try to create artificial meat. So that doesn't have as much, like, methane production and impact on the environment.

But it's basically just like you're eating a tumor. Yeah, but it's delicious, right? But it's just like a tumor. But if it's got all the same ingredients. Right, but they grow like tumors. It sounds like they're growing out of stem cells and things like that. Yeah, what's anti-tumor take? Yeah, what's wrong with eating tumors?

Well, I don't know. Just like, think about it. Like, by your logic, a fetus is a tumor, too. Yeah. Oh, Billy just short-circuited. Put him in a box. His brain, you could just see that the wires get crossed. but it's like grown in a petri dish and it's usually like like cells that replicate uncontrollably

which is like cancer isn't that what a baby like isn't that ivf humans are cancer so like honestly i don't care what you call it i would eat cancer if it was delicious enough yeah i don't think that you you don't get cancer but like the blobs they grow in the labs they literally look just like disgusting if they look like meat if you can make me a porterhouse It won't look like a steak. Not yet. It'll look like grizzled fat. I'd just like you to have an open mind about this because I feel like this, you would

enjoy this development. If we could make it happen where we could just sort of grow beef ribs, it would be cheaper. We'd figure that it's a tastier. Huh? Do you drink milk? I drink a lot of milk. I thought you might. Like, milk is fucking gross, bro.

I know. Like, yeah. It's like the nasty. It's probably the weirdest shit we do as humans, actually. It's like the first thing they get to try milk was probably like, yeah, his friend was like, what are you doing, bro? Like, we literally, I don't know what that was called milk. We milk it.

What is that called? It's just, you suck off milk. Well, mammary glands. You go to a pregnant cow and then you, like, do that to it. You know, you crank it's hog. You fondle it. You fondle the teeth and then milk comes and you drink it. weird that's the weirdest shit well you know uh mammary glands are really just like weirdly

modified sweat glands no i didn't know that and then so like really milk is just kind of like fucked up sweat okay yeah sound i mean i'm gonna need a fact check on that one i don't know i would i would absolutely try human milk i know big cat like said that that was a weird thing for me to say I think it's weird that he's never tried human milk. I've never tried it either. What about when you're baby? Yeah, definitely. I had to.

I didn't have a choice. That was my source of nutrition. Right. Yeah. I think the story with milk is that like not like some random dude just started sucking on a cow udder or anything, was that like you would sometimes have babies and the mothers would die and they were like, yo, we need to give this baby milk. and if there was no other like breastfeeding like mothers like they just put it on an animal I mean but still the first person to do that it's like bro what are you doing romulus and remus like wouldn't you wouldn't you go to another pregnant mother and be like yo can we can we can we can we get

the right side well dude it was probably like rare pickings back then it was probably it was probably pre like urban civilization of any sort it looks like billy is kind of of right about the mammary glands and sweat glands thing. So a platypus doesn't have nipples, but it just kind of sweats out milk. I mean, platypuses are the weirdest thing in the world. Yeah, but we can't use that as a base for anything. Well, it's just, it's showing that mammary glands and sweat glands are like linked together somehow. I don't know.

Yeah. Platopuses are also poisonous. They got a spur that's got venom in it or poison rather, like a barb. Yeah, platypuses are just. One of a kind. Just a unique animal. I would like to pet a platypus, actually. Kind of cute.

They look very cute. They look extremely cuddly. But this whole poisonous thing has me rethinking that just a little bit. So I'm told that Big T's got a story for us. I walked into the studio. The first thing that Mad Dog said was Big T has a great story to tell. It's not a great story. I just mentioned it to Avery before we started recording.

It's bullshit is what it is. I'm walking down 7th Avenue to go get lunch today. and there was a gentleman who was walking with one crutch. He had one crutch on his side that was closest to me, and he was kind of hobbling on this crutch, and I'm walking, and I was far enough away that I know for a fact this was intentional. He takes the crutch, totally fine, didn't need it, apparently, by the way, puts it out at a 90-degree angle and wax my shin with the crutch.

And this is my second, second, what's the word I want to use? Run in? Run in with a encounter with a gentleman similar to this one. The other time, it was on February 1st, 2020. I was so mad I remember the date. I was leaving a bar with Jack McCarthy and T.J. Hitchings. We're going to a basketball game. And this other guy asked, they're walking ahead of me.

He goes, do you have a lighter? Do you have a lighter? And they both keep walking. I'm walking behind him. And he puts his hands on me, like stops me. He goes, I know you have a fucking lighter. And I had to like push this guy off of me And I was so mad about it

I used that as a reference point For how mad I get now I'm like am I as mad as I was on that day This one didn't quite make me that mad But I just kind of stood Another guy behind me watched it happen And I just kind of turn around and look at this guy And I'm like

Am I about to fight this guy In the middle of 7th Avenue And then I eventually just kept walking And I'm still pissed off about it Did you say anything to him? No, he just kept going Like I don't know why he had a crutch He didn't need it

he's just going around hitting people with crutches. I literally have been racking my brain for two hours trying to think of what could have prompted him. Dude, you can't beat up someone with a crutch. That's a good point. He's a cripple beater. Because even if he doesn't need the crutch

and he just, like, hit you with it, the fact is he still is, he has a crutch. No, I, it looks like, he kept on walking. It looks like a bad deal if like somebody's across the street. They say Big T just swinging on this dude. Yeah, but the guy behind me, the guy behind me, the guy behind me turned around and I kind of look at this guy. I'm like, did we both just see the same thing?

I wanted to make sure somebody else saw it and they thought it was intentional also. And the guy behind me just kind of, we just kind of looked at each other and he shared my sentiment that that was also bullshit. Like if you beat up someone who is perfectly able, but they have a crutch and you beat them to the point where they have a limp, now they just assume he was already like that before you doled out the beating. It's a no-win scenario. Yeah.

Yeah, that's what happened to me today. It's actually a more, I think it's a better self-defense mechanism than carrying like a gun or a knife on you. It's like always roll with a crutch. No one's going to try to fight you. No one's going to try to stab a guy with a crutch. If somebody's like doing a mass shooting out in the street, they're probably going to keep aiming and like see the guy who's on crutches and then be like, that guy's had a tough one. I'll let this guy pass and then go on to the next dude. That's probably the same thing.

Those rational mass shooters you hear about, yes. Yeah. Empathetic. Yeah. I saw there was a guy on 7th Avenue. This was on last, I think it was last Thursday. I was walking from a hotel back to the office. And I'm walking down the street. And there's this lady who's walking maybe 10, 15 feet in front of me. And we're walking south on 7th Avenue. There's a guy that's walking north. And Arian, I don't know if you remember this from when you were up here visiting. But 7th Avenue is, it's turned into a pretty bad spot recently. Like a lot of heroin going on in this. this in this block like people that are like bent over at the waist falling down stumbling around places it's it's actually gotten pretty sad uh but there was this one guy who was very clearly on heroin and he was like he was stumbling to the side and you can tell he had that lean going he had that look in his eyes and he starts walking uh directly at the lady that's walking in front of me

and so he's crossing from one side of the sidewalk making a beeline directly at her and he's like got his hands out and in my head i was like, oh shit, it's about to be on. He's about to grab this woman. And then since he's already in an altered state, I can come in and just be the biggest goddamn hero of all time and push this guy over. And he'd fall over like a house of cards. And then I get to be like, yeah, you know, if the news comes, I guess I'll talk to them.

If they want to know my story, no big deal. But then she pulled like a Darren Sproles move on the guy and hit him with like the jab step right, crossed left. And the guy just kept going across her face. until he like stumbled out towards the middle of the street and kept going on his way. And but for a second there, I thought to myself, like, I kind of wish he had just like reached out and grabbed her shoulder just a little bit so I could have, I could have knocked that guy over. That would have been a lot of fun.

Does that make me a bad person? No, you just fantasize about being a hero. Yeah, I think Aryan's right. I think it does make me like a little bit of a bad person. You wanted an attempted possible kidnapping or rape so you can intervene. No, I didn't want him to actually do anything. He was physically attempted. Yeah, attempted.

Attempted. Yeah. He was physically incapable of carrying out anything at that point besides walking. And he was even barely doing that. So I did not want her to be in danger. I was just hoping that I could look cool. I almost saw one actually. So I was with, I had a girlfriend back in like, now, 2010.

And we was in New York. And we was in Central Park. It was like a night. And there was like this, I don't know, like there was this walkway that kind of wrapped around. And I was, they had walked ahead. It was her and my daughter. And they had walked ahead. And I was kind of like looking at, I was like kind of standing at this like little, I don't know, like little bridge area.

And they were, they were walking ahead. And I see this dude. I see this like a shadowy figure. And he like, he's creeping like towards them. Like I could see him. And I was like, oh shit, this is crazy. And so as I start walking up, like, because they weren't that far ahead. So I started walking up.

I become in his view and he turns around and he walks back. And I'm like, yo, I almost really just, that's crazy. Yeah, a lot of close calls, a lot of close calls. So sorry if we sound like jerks, but hey, listen, we're being honest with you guys. It's just the truth. And then also earlier today, Mad Dog, we gave her one job. We gave her one job because she has failed in managing Billy and asking him to bring in eggs. No, Bill is just failing.

at bringing in the eggs. That sounds like bad management of your part. I live so far from eggs right now. It's honestly like, how far from eggs do you think you live? Well, my, the OG eggs. Your eggs. Yeah. I'm not going to just buy some like farm, factory farmed eggs.

So wait, while you're gone, you've abandoned your family and your chickens, but they're all taking care. Are they just laying constant eggs and they're just like sitting on a progressively bigger stack of eggs? No, the eggs are put to good use. Okay. What would happen if you just, if you just walked away from them? They'd hatch them. Oh, that's right. Eggs become chickens. I forgot about that. We don't, they're not just for eating. Yeah. Yeah. Well, Mad Dogg's assignment today. She had one job, uh, and that was to go out and get us cheeseburgers and Big Macs and put round eggs on because Avery told us it was, it was your call, right? Avery told us on last week's episode that you can just

go to McDonald's and order. At any time of the day. Any time of the day. order a round egg on a Big Mac and they'll serve it to you. Yeah, so I went to two different McDonald's. So speaking of 7th Avenue, oh, this else has to do that. I went to two McDonald's that are right by the office. One was on sixth and I walk in and it was a, it's a really nice McDonald's on the outside so I figured they would be like helpful in giving me round eggs. I walk in, um, the lady was obviously distressed because there was a homeless man who

may or may not been on substances in front of me, um, trying to, He did not have a crutch? He did not have a crutch. But he was trying to get free food from her and then they had to like shoe him off. So she was like already distressed by that. So then I like went up to this woman and I was like, hi, can I have five cheeseburgers with round eggs? I also had to ask her first if they took Apple Pay because I forgot my wallet at home. But she asked me, I was like, can I have five cheeseburgers with brown eggs. And she was like, can't do breakfast right now. I go, so you can't do five round eggs on cheeseburgers right now. And she was like, no, we can't do that. So then I just walked away because I was like, I don't know what else I want to buy right now that would substitute that. So then I just wait. away then I was like your Cleveland accent makes it sound a little bit like you're saying rotten eggs when you say it really fast maybe she thought you were ordering cheese burgers rotten eggs wait is it really that bad say it again say it really quick round eggs a little bit right I didn't hear it till you said that oh that's what I heard sorry not here but now yeah nobody said it but and so then I went to one on seventh right across the street from Penn Station which I think is like the like dimension to hell I think you like enter Penn Station and this is just like the escape to hell um and i walk in and i was like hi can i get five i asked it differently this time i go is there any way i can get round egg on a cheeseburger right now and the the lady put it in the cash register like i could see it the total switching like and then she was like no it won't let me do it on the cash register because i go if you can do one can you do five and she was like no it won't let me use like it won't even let her add an egg on the computer so now i have

a new plan, so I'm sorry that I didn't know what my other optional is because no one is going to serve me. We're far from eggs right now. We're far from eggs. So what I'm going to do next week is I'm going to go back to the nicer McDonald's and I'm going to go at like 1015, get five egg macmuffins

and then wait and then go back in line at 1030 and get five cheeseburgers, bring them back, assemble them myself and then keep them until we record and then like warm them up. That's not the same though. I know, but I don't know what else to do. The whole point was that you could order it. Yeah, I think Avery was just, I think it was Cap.

Look it up. But now, but now I want to just try it just to know. But people have had egg on burgers before. The whole point was that we thought you could order it at McDonald's. You can. If, if you're out there and you've ordered an egg on a burger before from McDonald's, let me know how you did it and what you said and what time you went. Or I also think, like, have you gotten it recently?

Like, they don't do all day breakfast anymore. So they're not making eggs at, like, afternoon. I've not gotten it recently, but I know you can do it. It says you can do it. So little fun facts about why 7th Avenue, there's a higher rate of homelessness around here recently is because fun fact, all the hotels down here during the pandemic, it was actually a smart move. So they couldn't keep all of the people in shelters because they're open air shelters with lots of beds that aren't like social distance at all. So what the government did was kill two birds with one stone

and signed contracts with hotels that were all vacant because there's no tourism during COVID and put all the homeless in the hotels, which around here is all concentrated around Madison Square Garden, Penn Station. So that's why there's so many, it seems that there's so many more homeless people around now. does a smart move is there is there a McDonald's in time square like do you think they would do in

time square yeah there is that seems like the least likely place for them to go out of their way to do something extra well i was just thinking of places that would like do any McDonald's still do all day breakfast you got to like a local McDonald's for that yeah where they know your name you're like will that be the usual madeline do i just need to like become a local at my local like the McDonald's at my apartment i that's the way that you do you got to play a long game where you go in every morning at the same time you get the same thing until they know what you order and then one day you switch it up and you're like

let me get cheeseburger with some of those eggs. Okay, I'm going to become like the super size me guy for the next week. What is his name? Morgan Spurlock. Yep, there you go. That was a hoax. No one's been able to recreate those results. No, no, no. But for the next week I'll just go for every meal

and then they'll be like, this girl keeps coming in. And they'll be like, hey, I've given you a lot of business over this past week. Can you today help me out? So wait, Billy, I want to dig into this a little bit. I know that Morgan Spurlock had, he self-canceled, right? He was like the first person.

He me-toed himself, didn't it? Yeah. For being just like a shithead? Or what was his, what did he fess up to? So no one was able to recreate the results that he got from supersized me. Let me figure it out. So the experiment, he must fully eat three McDonald's meals per day, breakfast, lunch, and dinner. He must consume every item on the McDonald's menu at least once over the course of 30 days.

He managed to do this in nine days. he could only ingest items that are offered on the McDonald's menu, including bottled water, all outside consumption of food is prohibited. He must supersize the meal if offered, but he cannot request to supersize on his own. So he will attempt to walk about as much as a typical United States citizen based on the suggested figure of 5,000 standardized distance steps per day, but he did not closely adhere to this as he walked more while in New York than Houston. So at the end of it, he gained five days he claimed to have gained 9.5 pounds. It was not long before he started experiencing depression, lethargy headaches.

His general practitioner describes him as being addicted at his second weigh in. And at the end of, in 30 days he had supersized his meals nine times along the way. I just want to see the weight. He started at 185. and I think he ended up at like 210 or 220. The Center for Consumer Freedom kind of says it's bullshit. Yeah. He also, when he did that, the Me Too thing.

I just, I love the name of that. Is that a think tank? Or is it like an organization? I'm going to, I'm going to create a business and we're just going to say that people should be free to buy stuff. But so when he did that Me Too thing, he also said, is it because I've been consistently drinking since the age of 13? I haven't been sober for more than a week and 30 years.

And apparently in the documentary, the doctor examining him says that the fast food was pickling his liver and that it looked like an alcoholics after a binge, which was probably because he was an alcoholic. Mm-hmm. Huh. Yeah. I mean, I think I'm with Billy. I'm calling bullshit. Yeah. Morgan Spurlock.

Or we should try to get Billy to do that diet. Oh, dude. Also, the, another think tank you like the Citizens Council for Health Freedom also kind of calls bullshit on it. Citizens Council for Health Freedom. Yeah. What is? Securing health freedom for all. What is that?

Go to the About page. Yeah, I want to know what they mean by health freedom. CCHF has organized as an independent 501C3 national nonprofit who was co-founded. Oh, this doesn't. Our vision, securing health freedom for all. Our mission protect health care choices, individualized patient care and medical and genetic privacy rights. Okay.

So that sounds like we want you to be free to choose whatever insurance company you want to pay. Founded by Martin Kellogg. Yes. set uh absolutely that's what when people say like take a look at this guy people say health freedom they mean like you can choose blue cross blue shield or you can choose anthem doesn't he look like the six flags guy the dancing commercial guy yes yes absolutely he went from uh 185 to 2 10 he gained 24 pounds yeah i don't think so billy we should make you do that we should supersize i just got back into shape we should super i'm for this i want to see this diet i want to see this diet i want to

30 days only McDonald's? Super-sized bill. Or we can pick a different, a different fast food place. Oh, I'd be down. Let's do like, 20s.

If you do Chick-fil-A, I'll do it with you. Oh, but we can't do, we can't do Sundays, though. Mondays, you got a fast. Yeah, I'll fast on Sunday.

Uh-huh. If you do Chick-fil-A for 30 days, I'll do it with you. Oh, shit. Can we get it? Hell, I probably do you do that already. 20 anyway. Yeah.

Can we expense it? I'm sure that we could. Hell yeah. Now we're getting somewhere. Free food, free chick relay for a month. Now we're getting somewhere. But you have to see a doctor before you get started. I need to find, yeah, I've, I need to get a doctor.

Like, I've outgrown my pediatrician. How do you get a real doctor? It still gives me really like a lollipop when his temperature is good. No, dude, my mom, my mom posted a picture to Facebook of me, like, in like, my high school, like, last time I went to, like, was in my freshman year of college. And I was, like, sitting in the waiting room in these tiny chairs. And it was just, like, one of the funniest pictures. I'll actually find it. So my growing up doctor is my dad's best friend.

And that was fine, I guess, when I was growing up. And then at one point, I needed an STD test. That was awkward. He just had to walk out of there. He's like, I'll let somebody else handle this one. And I won't say anything to your dad. Turns out I was clean. Thank God.

But, yeah, that was a very strange time in my life. But, Billy, do you want to do this? Let me think about it. Because I just, I literally lost. lost 30 pounds recently, like gained a lot of weight during quarantine and then finally got out of it. And, uh, yeah, I was feeling pretty good about it. It'll be like, it'll be like John Henry, the new story of John Henry, Billy's body against the machine. See if your body, see if you can work out hard enough to beat Chick-fil-A. Actually, I feel like Chick-fil-A.

The record is 135 days straight of Chick-fil-A. Mm-hmm. So I, I remember there was a TikTok of a guy who did it. it for a year last year. And he would buy it on Saturdays and, like, put it in his fridge and then eat it on Sunday. I'm pretty sure it was for a whole year. I think that Bill, you'd have to not eat on Sundays. I could do that. This guy, Alton Ward, says he claims he lost 140 pounds a year, in a year by eating Chick-fil-A. That's totally bullshit. I mean, I guess if you only ate, like, salads. Yeah. Grilled chicken. But yeah, it would have to be like the similar similar rules where you have to get everything on the menu yeah grilled chicken wrap yeah

when they say my pleasure you have to add a fillet in new york they don't well you're safe in new york they don't do it it's bullshit yeah what you add fillets the no saying my pleasure the chick fillet experience in new york and in the south is not even comparable they don't say my pleasure some of them do but it's i mean it's nowhere near what they're supposed to be doing have you ever called in the number on a receipt to report a cashier for not saying my pleasure i have not but But they should really, the training at these locations needs to be ramped up a notch. Billy, I mean, this would be great. You're always looking for new content to do.

I know. You want to feel like you're earning your full-time keep here. I feel like this would be a good way to do it. I'll think about it. You know, I have your performance review with Erica coming up pretty soon. Seriously? So it would be interesting. Yeah, just be interesting to know what I would say if you didn't do this.

Is he a team player? Yeah. We're not. 30 days? Mm-hmm. 30 days fast on Sunday. How about 30 days until football start? Okay.

You just do chick filet. All right, all right. And then that Thursday night, you can switch. Okay. You're in? I'm in. Okay. All right.

We'll figure it out. And Bill, you're going to find an adult doctor to go to. Yeah. Or you know what? It might be funny to go to a kid doctor, actually. Yeah. Yeah, I kind of like that. Go to pediatrician.

I got to find that All right so Billy This is this is going to be a good test for you Because you're going to have to do a few things Okay You're going to have to blog this whole thing Okay You're going to have to do some writing

You're going to have to find somebody That's going to be Trying to help you produce it So I don't know if that's Avery Avery's kind of busy Maybe he could Maybe he couldn't This is going to be a big boy test for you

You are executive producing this No actually strike that I'm executive producing it You are the producer Okay we'll do it let's see i okay how about it september end of summer because i was playing on bulking anyway at the end of summer when this is going to coincide with the end of beach bod season for yeah so you're thinking like the start of september exactly that would work all right that

that that'll give us some time because honestly i don't i don't necessarily think that you could pull this off with like a week's notice yeah this is going to be more like i also have to get a doctor. The trick with Billy, by the way, guys, is you have to find a sweet spot for him, the Goldilocks zone for Billy to get stuff done. If it's something that needs to get done like Pronto later this week, maybe early next, that's not going to work. If it's something that is going to happen in a month and a half, he's going to forget about it and be like, oh, I didn't realize I was supposed to still be doing that thing that you brought up. So that's not going to work either. The Goldilocks zone for Billy is like three weeks, two to three weeks. Would you say

that's fair? That's, I mean, I think we're on a different that was back when I was in school and like I did I do this Solimente like three months ago yeah okay all right but it's gonna be a good test Billy definitely we'll get it done all right so anything you're in with me I'm not gonna go to a doctor but every

just on the weekdays when you go to Chick-fil-A I'll go with you so five days a week I will I will go with you down to 22nd okay why don't why don't you want to go to a doctor my jeez I haven't been I couldn't tell you the last time I went to doctor so you're unvaccinated uh fully vaccinated that i wasn't a doctor i went to the new york state fucking i am legend thing they got set up at the javits center you walk in they've got the military directing you around like we're setting up for the apocalypse yeah yeah no doctors there well i'm curious

are you against doctors are you no i just don't i just haven't gone i'm kind of with big t on that one i don't i don't really see a doctor unless it's an absolute necessity and even then i just i try to get out as quickly as possible anything will go way if you just leave it alone long enough. Yeah. That's how I'm treating my kidney cells. Yeah. Yeah.

So it, not, not, I think you should go to a doctor, man. Eh, we'll figure it out. Both you out. If you actually do have health issues, that's clearly not the way to do it. I had somebody be like, hey, PFT, those some really bad advice that you gave because I had a lump on my testicles and I thought that I should ignore it. Then I went to the doctor. It turns out it was cancer.

It had to have my nut removed. So, um, it, for that guy, I will say that, yes, if you have, If you have a growth, if you're dealing with abnormal health changes, you should see a doctor. But what I'm saying is I know what my problem is with the kidney stones. And I just kind of took the mindset of I'm going to pretend that they're not there. And once every two or three weeks, I'll just be in a lot of pain and deal with it that way. That's what are. What are kidney stones?

I don't really know what they are. It's a calcium buildup. It's a good question. And yeah, it's calcium buildup. Sometimes it's some other stuff in there too. and it just kind of crystallizes inside your kidneys. And you always see in TV shows and things like in movies when a guy passes a kidney stone, it makes it look like he's screaming because he's pissing out like a shard of glass through his dick.

Turns out that's not at all what the pain comes from. The pain comes from when the stone goes from your kidney down into your bladder because it's a tiny little channel that it has to go through. It's like the smallest little channel in your body and it's sharp. It's like super jagged. And so when it makes its way down through whatever that tube is to get into your bladder, that's when it really, really hurts. And then when you piss it out, sometimes it can hurt. Sometimes it doesn't feel that bad.

But for me, like when it goes from the kidney into the bladder, it's weird pain, man. It is, the nurse told me that she had given birth to three or four kids and that passing a kidney stone was more painful, which every single woman I tell that to gets very mad at me for saying that. And how many of those did you have? I have about a baker's dozen of them. Are you serious? Yeah, they couldn't, there were so many of them on the cat scan that they gave me.

They couldn't tell me exactly how many I have. Oh, my God. You can have, my dad has chronic kidney stones. Like, you get them chronically, and you have to just take, like, medicine and hope that they, like, sort themselves out. You have to drink a lot of water, is what I'm told. And I have to cut back way on my sodium, which I have not done. Sodium is one of those things.

It's like, sodium is in everything. If it doesn't have sodium in it, it's loaded with sugar. And there's really no two options that you can have. Yeah, I guess I could eat, like, I could eat Billy chicken and let the meat talk and just have it be, you know, unseasoned chicken breast that's been grilled. But that's not, that doesn't do it for me. So I just Googled Baker's dozen. I had no idea what that meant. Oh, really?

It just means, it just means 13. I could have just said 13. Yeah, it was kind of a show-off move on my part. No, I mean, shit. Flex. I mean, if I remember it correctly, it's like, The baker would just give you one to, like, it was like you'd buy a dozen. He'd give you one to eat, like on the walk home.

Right. Yeah. It's kind of a cool thing. Yeah. Being nice. Yeah. Aaron, what's the most painful injury that you've had? Real quick.

Why don't you want this to go away? I do want to go away, but there's nothing they can do about it. I desperately want it to go away. But the only procedure that they could do is they, if the stones were bigger, They would shoot a laser up my dick. Quite literally, they would put a laser into my penis and then shoot it up into my kidneys or bladder and break up the stones into like smaller stones. That way I'd be able to piss them out more easily.

But right now they're not big enough to the point where they have to break them up. They're small enough that I can pass them on my own. So apparently when they do the dick laser surgery, it's one of the most uncomfortable things that you can go through, believe it or not. and it's like a big recoupative process and your dick bleeds for months afterwards. Shout out, my dad got that last year. Your dad, how's his dick now?

I'm asked. But he had to get that. Like, we were all like in the stay-at-home part of quarantine and he literally had to go to the ER while everyone else had COVID and be like, yo. And then they had to laser him.

So does he, does he listen to the show? He listened to it last week, yeah. Mr. Mad Dog, I hope that your penis is okay. Yeah. Because it's not something that, I would ever want to go through.

But yeah. So there's no cure for yours right now? No, it's just like try to change your diet a little bit and try to flush them out as much as you can. And some of them I don't feel when I pass them because they're so small. And then some of them, it's just like it's debilitating pain, which I don't have a problem necessarily because I get to go to the ER at that point and be like, hey, I need a little bit of pain medicine. So you just, they just sitting in your kidney right now? Yeah, yeah, right now they're in there. Like I liken it to, um, you ever look at a glass of.

milk after you're done eating Oreos and it's got you know all the specs and stuff floating around in it that's what the cat scan looked like just tiny little specks everywhere in my kidney so you had 13 to start or you have 13 now they estimated around 30 they couldn't tell me for sure so but you still have most of those I'm sure that I do yeah oh do you know they regenerate or or once you pass them they're gone well they're gone that that particular stone's gone but then if I don't change my diet or whatever's causing them, then they're going to keep occurring. And what causes them? I'm sorry to turn this into a kidney stone podcast, but I'm curious to shit about this.

It could be high sodium. It could be excess calcium. They're not really 100% sure. There's no one thing that causes all of them. And so one of the things that I can do, which I haven't done, is like, piss into a strainer and then collect the kidney stones after I'm peeing them out and then bring those into the doctor and have the doctor look at them and analyze them and tell me exactly what elements are in there and then that's how I can change my diet and know what I shouldn't be

having anymore. So I think you should take a trip to Disney World. Agreed. There is a study that Reitchinger said that Thunder Mountain in Disney World had the exact vibration frequencies in the ride to break up kidney stones. If you sit in the back, it said it was like 60-something percent that it wasn't exactly conclusive, but they found that people who sat in the back row, it did actually, like, do something. Aaron? That's just a cat. Yeah.

There's no way. I think who put that study out? Was that done by Disney to try to be like, hey, that dad's come to Disneyland. Kidney stone tourism. Yeah, exactly. Live science. Okay. Has the study been peer review, really?

The authors of the new study published on September 26th, the Journal of the American Osteopathic Association, noticed that several of their patients have, reported passing kidney stones after going on the big Thunder Mountain Railroad coaster at Disney World in Florida. Big Thunder Mountain. In one instance, for example, a man told the doctors that he passed a stone after three consecutive rides on the roller coaster according to the study. So what would you rather do?

Take a flight down to Disney World, get a fast pass, and just ride Thunder Mountain all day, or get a laser up your dick. This is America. it's like would you rather consult with a with a licensed uh urologist and have them provide you with affordable health care or you can take a trip down to orlando florida and ride a fucking roller coaster repeatedly over the course of a day for way less money i love that i'm gonna i might do that billy can i come yeah it's for science you guys can write this off too yes all right i guess i'll i guess i'll be doing that So the Iraq war It's about time for us to start talking about the Iraq war It's been about an hour into this podcast And this week's topic is

The lead up to the floor in Iraq Again Listen they don't have McDonald's as in Iraq So right off the bat Number one, that's why the war got started So that's the end of the podcast If they had fucking egg McMuffins over there We would not be in this position right now

Yes of those WMDs. Yeah, so those WMDs. I guess right off the bat we can talk about just where everybody was, because I think we were all in different places in life when the Second Iraq War began. So, Arian, what were you doing in 2002, 2003? Real quick, this is an interesting fact. In 1990s, I think Saddam Hussein applied for permits to create a McDonald's in Iraq. But the McDonald's Corporation turned him down due to economic sanctions imposed during the regime of Saddam Hussein.

I would love to have been the person in charge of franchising at McDonald's. Like, every day you're getting, you're getting applications from like businessmen in Houston and like Portland, Oregon, trying to open one up. And then Saddam Hussein's name comes across your desk. You got to take this one up to this is above my pay grade. I got to kick this upstairs. Listen, I've, preliminarily, I've approved Saddam. He's got the numbers behind him. It works on paper, but I feel like we should get PR involved.

I'm sorry, what was your question? Where were you in 2002, 2003? San Diego, California. Do you remember as the lead-up was happening? Do you remember the sense of like inevitability that we were about to go to war? No. I remember talking about it in school, but I didn't feel any, like, kind of immediate threat. Like, I wasn't like, oh, they're coming.

Like, it wasn't like it was with 9-11 happened. Were you in high school? I think it was 2001. No, I was in middle school. Well, I don't, shit. When was that? It was 2001. No.

2002, 2003. I was in high school. Yeah, I was in high school. Yeah, I was in high school. Yeah, I was in high school. Yeah, I was in high school. What about you, Coley? so i was uh 12 for exactly one day when 9-11 happened um and so my whole that was like 12 to 14 for me

so i was a fucking idiot um as a preteen so i was it was hard to it just felt like like my uncle was in desert storm so it it felt like it was just like oh yeah we're going back there what about you billy i was in i wasn't even in kindergarten yet i think i was like at like you're in diapers no because i remember i was going like some church preschool back then like i was allowed to go because my sister was there and i was like the youngest one but i remember leaving that one day and they're like my mom was like yeah we're going to war and i was honestly one of my some of my first memories was all that like just watching the war on tv in the morning mm-hmm what about you big t in 2002 i was in miss hardwick's

kindergarten class at oak grove elementary school so i remember none of this all right mad dog yeah billy and i didn't stay maids so i was in preschool so i was four in 2003 avery nothing nothing at all were you alive yeah It's 18 years ago, right? Yeah, I'm 23. I still, I don't remember any of it, though. So I remember a lot of it. I remember the entire lead-up because I was a senior in high school, and I was just turning 18.

And so I was just thinking the entire time, like, I'm going to fight in this war at some point. If I wasn't a Quaker, I would probably have to fight in the war. But for me, it was like a sense of inevitability. And it's crazy, looking back on it, like, we're still in Iraq right now to this very day. We're in Iraq. And it's crazy how we got there and how kind of like the public opinion on what we're doing there and whether or not we should be there shifted drastically within just like a couple years of us going there. And for some reason, we still haven't gotten the fuck out. It's very straight.

I know we technically aren't in that war anymore. And it's been called like a bunch of different things. But we're still very much there. We still have like people that are serving over there. So I don't know. You guys want to go like way back and talk. talk about how we even got to start talking about invading Iraq a second time? Well, leaving out 9-11, just because I think we should do a total of another show on that, probably,

on 20th anniversary. Maybe. But basically, I think, you know, it all started with Iraq's noncompliance with the conditions of the 1991 ceasefire agreement. No, wrong. wrong billy very wrong it started actually i mean it started like thousands of years ago but in modern history it started like 79 1980 when iran and iraq were at war with each other so iran had have you seen the movie argo yeah you remember at the start of argo where they had the revolution

and uh they kind of kick out the more secular leader who was a piece of shit in his own right and installed more of a religious cleric yeah this is one of those things where if you look at pictures of Iran and Iraq from like the 60s, it looks like, you know, the women look like they're in, you know, 1960s, L.A. Like, it's sort of like, uh, it's a much different country and sort of society. I, I had some classmates in mine who were from Iraq that were born in Iraq in high school. And like they, they spoke to the entire class and they're like, just so you guys know, like Iraq's, yeah, it sucks like Hussein sucks. But, There are people that just live their everyday lives there just like you and I do.

It's not like it's a little bit different, but it's a normal day-to-day society. It's not like we're over there rubbing our hands together thinking about how to get like an atomic bomb to kill the United States. It was like a relatively regular country that was run by a piece of shit that would murder you if you disagreed with them. But yeah, I mean, I guess it goes back to like 1979, 1980. Iran gets overthrown in the revolution. and they install like a very religious cleric to lead them. And at that time, Saddam Hussein's taking power in Iraq. And he's afraid.

He's very afraid that a similar thing is going to happen to him. So he decides that he's going to start fucking around with the Iranians. And they get into a big giant war. We choose to supply the Iraqis with weapons with all sorts of weapons. There's a famous picture of Donald Rumsfeld who went over there to meet with him and to supply him with tools to fight against the Iranians. Because at the time, we were, that was our enemy. Iran was the big threat to the United States.

They were the ones that were chanting that the U.S. is the great Satan in the streets. And so America was not on good terms with Iran at the time. They were taking hostages, all that stuff. So it was one of those things where, like, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. We decide that we're going to fund the Iraqis. So we give the Iraqis technology. we give them money we give them weapons they go to war saddam hussein ends up using chemical weapons against the iranians he uses he ends up gassing the kurds which are uh their northern neighbors

which were a part of iraq and still are to a certain extent but they were a different sect so saddam looked at them as being a threat and he gassed them too and uh then in 1990 Saddam Hussein and Iraq still owed Kuwait, the tiny little nation next to Iraq that has a shitload of oil. Saddam owed them $14 billion in loans for the war against Iran. And what do you do? Like just in general, if you owe somebody a shitload of money that you can't pay them, I feel like trying to take them out is a pretty common move, right? Just like get to them before they get to you.

And so that's what he did with Kuwait. and he invaded Kuwait and then he also put up these like slanting drilling operations where he would just drill underneath the border which is a genius move let's be honest like they have oil underneath their land and i'm not on their land why don't i just make a big diagonal drill we're just going to build this giant contraption right on the borderline don't mind me and then put it in had a diagonal start stealing their shit and then the u.s is like hey that's fucked up i know that we gave you all these weapons and all this money but we get a lot of oil from Kuwait and we've agreed to protect them. So you got to get to fuck out Saddam. And Saddam, in one of the dumber moves maybe in military history was like, I can fight a war against the United States and got his ass kicked in like a week or two, pretty much high-tailed it back to Baghdad. And then the U.S., their mission was not to find Saddam Hussein.

It was not to kill Saddam Hussein. It was just to get them out of Kuwait and protect our oil. So that's what we did. And George Bush Sr., George H.W. Bush, he was the one that was in charge of that after being in the CIA and working as kind of a rival of Rumsfeld, but also in a lot of the same Middle Eastern protection deals, he was the president. So he was the guy that was in charge of the war, along with Secretary of Defense, you know who the Secretary of Defense was at the time, guys. Go ahead, take a guess, Billy. Don't look it up. Who is the Secretary of Defense for the First Iraq War?

You're forgetting his name. I actually don't know this. Big T. You know who the Secretary of Defense was for the First Iraq War? I don't. I know the second one. Hmm. Coley, do you know who the Secretary of Defense was for the First Iraq War? Feels like it should be an obvious name we all know. Oh, it is.

Aryan, do you know? No, I tapped out. Bill, you want to tell the people who the Secretary of Defense was for the first Iraq war? Dick Cheney. It's Dick Cheney. You might remember him as the guy that shot his friend in the face. So he was kind of in charge of that first war. And at the time, something very interesting happened while they were dealing with kind of the repercussions of

Saddam Hussein and all the bullshit that he was doing. He was, he helped the UN send in a bunch of peacekeeping troops. Part of their mission was to inspect and see what Saddam Hussein was building because they didn't want him to have a nuclear weapon. And they told Dick Chene, they told the UN that they're not working on nuclear weapons. Well, it turns out they found this one tiny, it was a construction site, I think. They sent the troops in. It was off the books for the Iraqis.

So the Iraqis were letting the UN force. into like their nuclear places into all their weapons labs and letting them look around. Well, one day, uh, the U.S. thought that they had some intelligence, despite that the CIA said that they weren't working on a nuclear bomb. And the troops go in and they find an advanced nuclear program that was like nine to 18 months away from making a nuclear weapon. I think this was in 1990, 1991. And, uh, that's going to prove to be a very pivotal moment because Cheney from that point on was like, I do not trust the Iraqis. I do not trust Saddam Hussein. I think that they're trying to build a nuclear weapon. And he also took from that not to necessarily trust all the

opinions of the CIA because the CIA told them that they were not working on a nuclear bomb. So that was in 1990 or 1991, I believe. So you have to have that background, especially given the fact that a lot of the people that were responsible for the second Iraq war, they were also there for the prequel of the first Iraq war and they were involved to a certain extent like Rumsfeld, Cheney, Wolfowitz, all these guys, they were around. The bushes, the bushes were involved too.

So that is like a little bit of background on kind of bringing us up to right before 9-11 and how we got into that initial conflict with Iraq. But, yeah, I mean, there's nothing there's nothing about this that happened on its own. You know, it all goes back to like, in my opinion, any time that you

fuck around in a foreign country, there's going to be, you know, thousands and thousands and thousands of unintended things that happen in the future because of your presence there that are going to just make things more complicated moving forward. So that's, that's kind of what happened there. You guys, you guys probably don't remember anything about the first Iraq War, right? What year was that? Yeah, you weren't born, I guess. I just remember watching like a little bit on TV. That was one of the first, that might have been the first cable news war that we never had. Yeah, I believe it was. I believe it was the first time people at home were like literally watching entire cities get bombed via night vision and someone like quietly talking

over it. Yeah, like what's her name? Christine Amonpour. I remember her and like Geraldo. Why do these guys always show up in in the tan khaki vests, by the way? Why is that that the outfit that every war correspondent wears they're bulletproof no no i'm talking just like a normal like an old navy almost vest with some small pockets on the breast that's how you know somebody's a war correspondent when they're standing on the on a rooftop somewhere and they're wearing that vest but yeah doesn't they have to wear something that says like their media and like media is exempt in war aren't they all they should be anyway yeah they got like credentials typically or around their neck um which is wild when you think about it like like there's like humans fighting

each other trying to kill each other but going out that one they're they're they're filming this yeah yeah exactly don't kill guys handshake agreement we're not going to kill that guy I think like once actual war starts and once you know the fighting begins people just kind of ignore those rules for the most part and it's like I thought that I thought that his lanyard was like a suicide side vest, and then you can just lie about that and get away with it eventually. The Red Cross is always, they, they were respected at some points. Like, those are the people that, like, because they're saving both sides, like, especially in World War I, uh, one to like World War II.

I think there was general respect for the Red Cross, not to shoot them. Yeah. It's a war crime. It's a war crime. You're supposed to leave medics and media alone. Yeah. I thought it's like pretty known. yeah but we kind of fucked that up with um with the osama bin laden operation because remember one of the things that we did we sent like a team of doctors to outside that compound saying that they were giving vaccines and the real purpose of doing that was to try to get the DNA so we could compare and be like is this person related to osama bin laden and so now it's like no one no one trusts that anytime somebody says that they're a medical professional that they really are well no i'm not saying the u.s is ethical

by any means and to be fair it's not like the the um people we were fighting there were looking at any of those rules too closely that's true yeah they didn't really follow the uh was it the rule they didn't have rules of engagement it was just like see something shoot something um the that something i've never understood and this is going back into a much different type of war but like the drummer boy how was that guy not constantly taken out. Good point. Yeah. And what was the point of the drummer? Was it just to keep people like in rhythm? I don't. I like, it's hard for me to fathom. Like you're just announcing your pre. Like, all I can

think of is like the scene in the Patriot. It's just like you're telling everyone exactly where you are. That's how you know old war wasn't really that's that's terrifying. Soldiers march to battle to the sound of the drums and use the beat to regulate the load. and reloading of their weapons during the battle. But they used to just show up and play each other on a, and fight each other on a field. Like it wasn't, they weren't,

you know, it was like, oh, like where are we meeting tomorrow morning for the battle? It was like a soccer game. Like, hmm, battle waterloo.

Yeah, who's bringing oranges? Yeah. Like literally the first group to actually like, fight wars, not like two countries, two forces like meeting in the field of battle where the, um american revolutionaries the patriots were the first people like do like guerrilla warfare

really and like fight but like not in you talk about it an extreme advantage to be the first uh it's like the first team to throw the forward pass and football yeah it was a cheap yeah the other this i was like you're allowed to play defense what that's not that's not that's not sporting instead of just shooting in the middle of a field just like nothing in between like hide behind a tree and shoot a soldier. It's like, where'd he go? I also dispute the fact that we were the first ones to do it because I've seen Braveheart. And in Braveheart, that was kind of like William Wallace's attack at first.

But yeah, I know what you're saying. It's like back in the day, war was whack, man. War was like, honestly for dorks where you would just like show up in a field and then stand perfectly still. And okay, it's your turn to shoot. Okay, now it's our turn to shoot. It was like Red Rover. Like, if you remember the beginning scene.

and Troy, where Achilles fights that giant dude in the field of battle, they used to just be like, two armies would show up and be like, okay, so instead of us all fighting each other, we're just going to send out our best warrior and whoever wins, like, wins. And then everyone can go home. That should still be it. I don't know why we got away from that. Like our best guy, like Ireland could have had a nice little run there with McGregor. Yeah.

Who would be our guy right now? like medieval like what type of warfare we talking okay good question so let's just say in what country because i might nominate walberg gulag just like gulag one on one yeah one on one modern weapons no not i think that you get let's say you get uh you have a knife a big like a machete and then also a bow and arrow jo rogan yeah good no good call for the bow and that guy knows his way around a bow. Yeah, but there's so many other guys who are so much better than him. Well, he would probably just...

I mean, Joe Rogan's a black belt and jiu-jitsu. He's like, oh, yeah. Also, it'd just be, like, you gotta have... We can't just go pick some rando. Like, it's got to be somebody with some... Like, Marcus, like, Marcus Luttrell in his prime. Like, you got to pick actual Navy SEALs. Well, you can't really pick him in his prime because when he was in his prime,

you didn't know who he was. Right. True. Well, actually, probably the guy we would send, we don't know his identity because he's currently... All right. mystery fighter yeah

miss for a shitty podcast segment so let's stick the guys we like Vontes a mystery seal he's high up I think

Joe Rogan's not bad because there's always a chance that he just like gets into a deep conversation with the person and then all of a sudden

they're bros and he never tried DMT and he's like dude you live in Belgium the taxes there suck you moved to Texas with me

I think anyone from the Jones family like John Bones Jones Chandler Jones like that's just three brothers two of them are Super Bowl champions the other ones like one of the greatest hand-to-hand combat artists of all time like I don't any of those three Arthur Chandler or John Bones I honestly think that John Bones Jones would be a great pick

because he's psycho you don't need him to like pass a drug test or anything like that you just need him to show up and commit violence Brock Lester not anymore no but he has a good combination of weapons skills and MMA. That's actually, it's not a bad point because he does live in like North Dakota and he shoots a lot of weapons. Yeah. Oh, I mean, you talk about probably the best archer in American history along with a tremendous athlete, Bo Jackson.

Yeah. He makes his own arrows, right? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Fuck, you guys are having some good, I think it's got to be Bo Jackson then. Like any arrow. I represent.

Okay. Yeah, Bo Jackson and his prime could kill any other American in their prime. I'm confident in that. Yeah, I actually forgot about that part of his documentary where he's just sitting in his basement, like making arrow tips. Yeah, just psychos. He's like this is how I relax now. I'm psychos. That's like Jeremy Renner and Wind River when he's just sitting there making his own bullets.

That's like real life, Bo Jackson with arrows. Okay, well, yeah, I think Bo Jackson just dominant. I think we win. I think we win everything. Definitely. But I've always kind of agreed with that. Like I think that it would be better if a couple things. One, we just had one person fight.

Two, we just had like the presidents of every country are the ones that fight. Or three, we have full on, full scale war, but you're not allowed to use weapons besides just your fists. Just like giant brawls, like Jersey Shore style. It's like massive mellays on beaches, on like open, prairies in in arctic tundras that would be sick when it just like hand literally hand to hand like punching combat it is actually crazy like how much effort like humans put into killing each other like for the first like most of our science right was all we do yeah it was all created like because of war uh billy i'm looking at this picture that you just sent to the group text right

now this is billy at the doctor's office you're in college here yeah i think so he's a college and he's had a tiny little table wearing a baker mayfield oklahoma with color it couldn't have been too long ago he was coloring books and uh there's like an abacus behind you it's a chair for for three year olds yeah and that was still your doctor huh yep and like billy's about time for you to find somebody i think that we've i think we've reached the end of our relationship here yeah i just stopped going because he was like dude you're too old and i was like okay Billy got fired by his doctor Yeah, I agree with all the stakes on war

I think the way that we do war Just makes no sense really But also think about like how like Like the average guy Was always being sent to war Just like in every country Like think like if you think about like spans of like 1800 to 1900 Like there's so many different like you know

The French you know the French and the British fought a war and then there was like the dan there's so many tiny wars that people just forget about because they aren't the big ones that was just happening all the time across europe and across the world yeah i mean there was the hundred years war right yeah people just like spent their entire life just going to war i do think though back in the in the middle ages if you were going to war a pretty good chance that you'd survive at least once or twice right yeah because the the weapons it was just like can you deal with a sword until they invented like the heavy artillery It's crazy.

In those wars, like, they do talk about the knights, right, and the Calvary, but, like, mostly it was just peasants with, like, not even shields, but just, like, spears, just like, remember the infantry and Brave Art, who were, like, the Irish, they were just walking out, trying to step, like, that's what all it was. And even then, though, it was like, maybe not as much as it is now, but now, and you'll see this in the, in the second Iraq war, basically you were going to fight. in war if you're poor. It's most people in the front lines are they get them signed up from recruiting centers in poor areas or it's people that can't afford to go to college. So by by enlisting, you get to have a, the GI bill, you get to have a good opportunity to go to college as long as you don't have to go to war and fight there. So I think back, back in the day, it was a little bit different where you'd have, it was like

a position of like nobility if you were to become a knight. but you probably didn't have to do as much of the dirty, dirty stuff. Yeah, I mean, being on a horse was such an advantage because no one, like, you were just stabbing down on people. Yep. And no one will really get to you. Good point. You had reach.

Yeah. You were bigger. So. I thought that was weird because then they could just cut the horse's legs. That was like another rule. Like, you don't fuck with the horse. Oh, my first thing I'm doing trying to kill me from, you know what I'm saying? Like, you can try to kill me on top of a horse.

And I'm like, but not the animal, bro. Fuck that was weird rule like chivalry like was literally rules to war that like literally that's definitely gone away in the past hundred years but like they were like yeah we meet in this like nice clear patch of grass this big field and we just like line up and like get a good knock on each other like how's fucking fucking murder you like a sir i mean doing the olympics would be sick too if it was just whoever won the Olympics got to accomplish their foreign policy objectives. Yeah. That's like home field advantage for the MLB All-Star game.

That's what we put on the Olympics. This time it means more. We definitely like have to rethink the events though, because holy shit, some of these events are just dumb. We'd have to get football on that. Yes. Then those. I don't think the world would vote on that though.

they know we dominate that so well then we'll just go to war against him yeah listen you you're the line up against Aaron Donald or I'm dropping this on you what is it what you want to do yeah pick your poison buddy um yeah the uh what's what's your least favorite Olympic sport area oh man um I think you tweeted it if that's an was it speedwalking race walking yeah that's the stupidest shit i've ever seen in my life though that is got to be the dumbest shit in existence my favorite part about the race walking is when they've got like they they got a little butt wiggle while they do it i don't know if that's necessary for while you're doing the event or they just do it because it's for flare and it looks sick so i was

actually looking up so the rule is is that in order for it to be race walking you have to have one foot on the ground at some time and you can get disqualified like they'll rewatch the race and be like back on step number 15 you had both legs off both feet off the ground and they do that they twist their hips to make their stride as long as they can so you're like almost so you're so you're so you're like i don't know because like when you stand in a split you're like hips are different i feel like i could be good at race walking but i guess it's a big advantage to have long legs yeah yeah you would be in the dead last well no collie that's First of all, that's fucked up.

But in a hippie violation. Second of all, my legs aren't the issue here, Coley. My issue, I've done, I've done some eyeball math on myself. You got to be looking to improve. Take a look in the mirror, see what your reality is. I think my legs are perfectly, like, I have the legs of a six foot tall man. It's my, it's my torso, like my thorax, if we're using, like, insect terms. yeah from from my waist to the bottom of my rib cage is short which is also why i don't have a

six-pack i totally would if it was a little bit longer but that's that's the short part of my body so i feel like maybe like michael phelps has developed his body specifically for swimming i might be born to racewalk that was like usane ball like usane balls at six six but his like he has a tiny torso and just long-ass legs yeah i just my legs are like slightly below average size but they're still long for my for my height if that makes sense anyways billy did you see we got chirped by like the official handball yeah i'm i might film the handball combine video they have virtual tryouts so it's like a 20 meter sprint uh throw a handball as far as you can and just send a video of throwing a handball on the run and that i mean they challenged us they challenged us to

straight up play we've got five right here i'm i'm ready to go i'm down there's actually a tournament this weekend uh in new jersey and i might just i think i might have to gather a team and go out there it's in um somewhere in new jersey's that like it's like an hour outside of the city okay could go i mean handball is just uh they took like the worst parts of both basketball and soccer and made a sport yeah i think it would be but you know the only thing is is that the defense is weird and shooting you have to figure like there's some certain rules to shooting that are like you can't get the guy in the face and like pinning corners feels like his problem if I hit him in the face exactly yeah exactly catch the ball

dude like I don't so if you're you could be the greatest goalie of all time if you were really good at hitting the ball with your face and also international players they can throw with their right and left hand. I think that anyone can do that, right? Like shoot full speed with your left hand. I can throw something with my left hand. Right, but like with the accuracy and power of your right hand. I'm going to do the combine, but I'm going to do it all with a vortex football and be like,

look at this arm power. Just airmail won 70 yards. No big deal. Why do they care so much about the sprint speed? Like you really can't do much with your speed and not sport. Yeah, I think it's more like basketball, you know. But basketball, like I understand the need for speed in basketball. Like this really, you don't.

Yeah, I think getting to the hole to play defense. I've seen some fat people playing handball, though. There's one dude who's like a chunk legend, like a great handball player. And I think he weighs like 27280. Oh, more than that. More than that. Yeah, for sure. He was well into the 300s.

He was a big boy. I feel I'm watching this right now. I feel like I could be a. solid handball player. Yeah. You know what suck its handball? Who?

Saddam. Yeah. Because he's dead. Coley, were you going to say that I couldn't be good at handball? No, I wasn't saying that at all.

It's fairly my point. Like, I think most people are pretty good at handball. Most people just don't play it. Yeah. I mean, I've got good reach.

Like, wingspan feels to me what you need in this sport, and I feel like I've got that. A thousand percent agree. That's my whole, like, I can get a shot up against any of these defenders. they're throwing at me.

Billy, if you're putting a team together, I want to play handball. You know, you know who is 6-4? Bin Laden. No. No, bin Laden. No, he was taller than that, wasn't he?

Yeah, he was like, he was tall and so. He may have been like 6-6. He was a tall. He should have hooped. Should have been, he should have called Osama bin Balin. You know, that, oh my God. He was six-five.

You know what it had been a fire-ass Olympic sport is, you know, you remember slam ball? Yeah. Oh, yeah. That would have been cracking. Dude, I think slam ball. ball is coming back. No, I followed them on Instagram.

So we were talking to the dude that invented it, and he was saying that the best slam ball players weren't basketball players. They were football players that liked to play basketball because there was a big element of just jumping into people and hitting them involved. And basketball players were like too soft to do it. But if you could find like a good free safety, that would be the best slam ball athlete. Honey badger. I agree.

Honey badger would kick ass. Yeah. So yeah, Bill, you're right. think Saddam Hussein does suck at handball. He, I mean, he like basically, he had these, uh, what they, they didn't find that good weapons of mass destruction in Iraq at the end of it. They found a lot of old weapons caches that they were using on the Kurds in 1990s. But what they did find was a shit ton of torture rooms.

Okay. So, um, let's back up just a little bit. What you're basically saying right now is like if, when, when a cop goes in for a giant no knock drug bus and he's like we got two roaches in here new i knew they were up to something you know like justifying like that after the fact but i think we should back up and say why we went to war in iraq to begin with true like the lead up to it because the lead up it felt like to me it felt like it was inevitable when we started talking about it uh i still remember like in the couple months after nine eleven there were whispers of like was iraq involved in this did mohammed atah

meet with Iraqi agents when he was in Prague getting ready for 9-11 and I still specifically very much remember there was a speech that Dick Cheney gave I don't know exactly when I want to say it was like September of 2022 because I remember what class I was in when I watched it and he was talking to a VFW hall and he said I think that's when he said the line we don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud and the speech was essentially saying I want to want to go to war against Iraq. And if you don't agree with me, then we're going to get nuked. And I just remember watching that and thinking to myself, like, is this just what we're going to, we're just going to start a war? Because this guy is saying that we should, we should go

to war. Like, why are, we're already in Afghanistan? Why are we going to just start a war just for shits and giggles? It didn't really make that much sense to me at the time. But I remember that, that run up and just feeling like the entire year, okay, get ready because we're about to go to war and it's going to happen. And the reasons behind it was because he did think that they were building a nuclear program, right? He thought that they were building, that they had a chemical weapons program that was still advanced. And a lot of the reason why he thought that was because he knew exactly what we had given him when he was Secretary of Defense and when he was working in the various administrations before that, he knew that Saddam Hussein had been outfitted with a bunch

of just crazy weapons and that he wasn't afraid to use them because he had gassed the Kurds and he gassed the Iranians. So it felt like the big pretext for why we were going to go to war in Iraq was one,

we don't want them to build a nuke and we think that they're close to developing a nuke. Why do you think that? Probably because he saw that they were trying to build a nuke back in the early 90s. Now after that war was over,

they shut down like the UN had to go in and inspect routinely and they had to disarm. That was part of the conditions after the first war was he basically was not allowed to have new planes, had to limit his army, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. But Cheney didn't believe that. Cheney thought that they were still developing a nuke.

Second reason why, in addition to weapons of mass destruction, was he tried to kill George Bush's dad. And W. said that at one point, when people were pushing back and being like, why are we going to war against Saddam Hussein? And after Bush laid out the CIA case for going to war, he got frustrated at one point. He was like, remember, this is a guy that tried to kill my daddy, all right? And like, I kind of get that.

Like, if somebody tried, if Saddam Hussein tried to kill my father, I probably just wouldn't let him off the hook. I'd probably be pissed at him for a good long time about that. But that was a big reason why. And then the third reason was they tried to tie it in to 9-11 and say that Saddam Hussein had helped to fund or plan. the 9-11 attacks. And so those were the three cases that they made. And do you guys remember Colin Powell, like giving that the speech to the UN? Do you, all right, embrace debate.

Do you feel bad for Colin Powell? Or are you like he got played or are you like fuck Colin Powell? So looking into it, there was a lot. Iraq was showing that they basically Iraq and Iran were in a little bit of a cold war, like an information war at this time because Iraq, you know, wanted to show force and show strength. So a lot of the intel that the CIA relied on and a lot of the intelligence agencies relied on was actually Iraq making it seem like they had weapons of mass destruction more nuclear than chemical in order to deter Iran and sort of show strength in the region. And a lot of

this came out. And basically when Congress, when all this was going on with Congress, there was basically, there's this NIE distributed. And the thing about this document was that most of the Congress people didn't actually read the full document, but relied on this other document that had been made before the larger document that was distributed to the public. And they thought that it was a sanitized like cliff notes sparks notes version of the big document but it actually wasn't and actually was you know um these public white papers were actually made much before any of the real intelligence was looked upon and it wasn't a dislike you know a condensed version of these larger documents and this really um sort of not confused but misled a lot of the officials and

even like, for example, Senator John F. Carey said all U.S. intelligence experts agree that Iraq is seeking nuclear weapons. There's a little question that Saddam Hussein wants to develop nuclear weapons. Everyone thought this weapons of mass destruction idea does, you know, is a large umbrella that has chemical weapons, other types of weapons, and nuclear weapons. But it was sort of the synonymous sort of correlation between weapons of mass destruction and nuclear weapons that really got everyone going. There it's interesting you brought up John Kerry because I remember after after 9-11 there was um it was like a swelling sense of like American pride American nationalism like we wanted to band together we wanted to get back at the people that attacked us people were a little bit afraid and then once they kind of shifted some of the spotlight to Iraq anyone that objected to it was basically called a pussy it's like you don't support America you don't support the troops if you're not supporting uh going to war in Iraq you guys remember freedom fries you guys probably so this this was fucking wild one of the things that we tried to do in order to make the invasion of iraq more justified from an international standpoint was we tried to get as many countries as we could to like have our back and that way it's not it's not just us it's the international community that's going in and doing this to saddam hussein and so um france was like you know what i don't think the intelligence isn't that great for us so we're going to pass on this war we'll still help you in afghanistan but i don't think that

uh this doesn't seem like a good thing for france to be doing right now and so then congress i think they passed like a resolution uh where they weren't they would no longer call french fries french fries they could call them freedom fries and uh they encourage all other americans to do the same thing that's an old takes exposed right there moment for uh for america it's like uh maybe maybe france had a point but i still respect them move the term was created in february 2003 in north carolina restaurant and was widely publicized a month later when then republican chairman of the committee on house administration bob nay renamed the menu in three congressional cafeterias freedom fries that did it we should still do that

by the way that's just what they should be called oh i i like to i like to toss that in every now and then as a joke i'm like let me get some freedom fries or you want to you want a freedom kiss that usually doesn't work actually says it's the lame is shit ever we're going to change what our food is called if you don't fuck with us no more that's just the lame it's so square freedom fry honestly when they said freedom fries i was like you know what they have a point like i think i think i'm i think i'm in favor of the war in iraq now sold yeah no it was wild because if you didn't support it if you uh especially if you were a politician politicians were deathly afraid of being labeled as being soft on terrorism so if you could connect

anything to terrorism to them, they were going to go ahead and they were going to support it. And that's why, like, John Kerry, he ended up running for president a couple years after the fact. But he had supported the war in Iraq, and it's tough to run on a platform of George Bush made a mistake by sending us to Iraq when you voted in favor of the war in Iraq. So that was a classic John Kerry flip-flop moment. Got called out on, got his ass kicked. Yeah, Billy? also everyone thought it was going to be another short war yeah that was another everyone thought it was going to be just like the first iraq war but then once saddam was taking out of power it was sort of

like oh we have to do this nation building thing yeah so well i don't have it in front of me maybe you can look it up but i remember when we invaded iraq the name of the operation was called something and then within like a week of being there we changed the entire name to iraqi freedom Yeah. And so it was like when we went in, we did not go in. The American public was not told at all that the reason that we were there was to help out the Iraqi citizens and that we were there to make their lives easier and give them democracy. That had nothing to do with it. Because although you could say, you can make the argument that's a noble goal is to help a society achieve democracy and overthrow a tyrant, the fact is like we would never have signed up for a foreign war if that was the only reason why because you can take your pick as to any other country in the world that's not run by you know in the form of democracy because if we're going to invade that one for that reason then why aren't we invading this one and this one this one so we were told what it was it operation um desert storm was 91 that was 91 which is a badass name really strong man

desert saber was another one but i can't remember um but operation enduring freedom is what We're doing, what we were doing in Afghanistan around 2010, which has nothing to do with it. I'd see, original name. Desert Shield was also. Iraq. That was against, I think, Kuwait, wasn't it? Oh, no, Desert Shield was 2006. It was a major push into the Fonbar project.

That was the troop surge. So this is from 2003. It says the U.S. Offensive Against Iraq, born early yesterday, and now is a name Operation Iraqi Freedom, until now. now the protracted U.S. military buildup and the Persian Gulf had no handle of its own. I thought it had a different one. Maybe somebody out there can tell us what it was initially called. Because I remember when they gave it that label, everybody was like, wait, what? That's not really Operation Iraqi Freedom.

Yeah. 2003, 2011. Wow. It was an Operation Southern Watch, was it? No, it wasn't. I'm not even sure if it was called Operation something, but it had a different title when it first started. And that was the shock and awe. Oh, by the way, you know that Colin Powell speech to the U.N., that was part of trying to get, like, France and Germany and all these other countries on board, you know who wrote that? Who? The speech wasn't written by Powell or anybody at the State Department.

It was written by Dick Cheney's chief of staff, Scooter Libby. So, again, this, like, basically the second Warren Rack was Dick Cheney being like, we should have killed this guy the first time. And I don't trust him. and so I'm going to take my second shot at it. So once 9-11 happened, Richard Clark, who's kind of like, I don't know how you guys feel about the people that used to work in counterterrorism

or like the CIA that are all over cable news now all the time, giving their opinions on shit and like second-guessing people. I feel like those guys are kind of slime balls in general because, like, they, what are you doing? You're trying to make a TV career out of getting fired from your job at the CIA. It's weird to me.

Do you guys get like, I don't know, untrustworthy vibes from some of those people yeah it was their whole career leading up to this point like that's embedded in their DNA yeah and so that's like what richard clark has started he's seen himself as like a tv celebrity but before he was a tv celebrity and doing all the morning shows and shit um he was working in counterterrorism for like a bunch of different administration so he'd been around for democrats republicans the whole lot and uh i remember reading his book when it came out in like 2005, 2006, basically said on 9-11, after the attacks, George Bush and Dick Cheney both were like figure out a way that Saddam Hussein was responsible for this because I know

Saddam and I know that he had a hand in this somehow. They were like from the get-go, I'm not saying that they were telling him to lie about anything or they were making up the fact that they thought he was involved. I think they probably thought that he was involved because they all had. had hard-ons for Saddam Hussein, given what they had done and the wars that they had been with him in the past. So they, like, told the counterterrorism, people, like, figure out a way that he's attached. And then they're like, well, he's not. He's just, he's not attached. But when you have, like, a leader that's telling you, um, look into Saddam Hussein, look into

Saddam Hussein. Look into Saddam Hussein. I think he's connected. Eventually, you're going to, like, figure out a way to tie him in or make him look back. When you start with a conclusion, I guess is what I'm saying, you're going to figure out ways to fill him. the gaps a little bit. There was always this assertation vice president Cheney made that suggested that an Iraqi intelligent officer met with one of the hijackers. I think we mentioned this earlier, but it was always this narrative that was being pushed. But the thing was there was a universal consensus amongst a lot of European nations.

And they didn't necessarily want to go to war with Iraq, but place like Germany, you know, who weren't entirely sure on it, they all thought at the time that there was weapons of mass destruction. What we now know is that there wasn't, you know, nothing concrete was found. The mobile production facilities for biological agents that Colin Powell was talking about in his addressing the Senate, I think, was never really truly found, just a lot of stuff from the early 1990s. But if you read American sniper, And this is a weird, this is a weird assertation. Chris Kyle in that book says that they found weapons that they thought to be from American allies in Iraq.

Now, I'm not calling anyone a lie or anything, but that's just a really weird thing to throw in there, like being like, yeah, we didn't find weapons of mass destruction, but we found a lot of weapons that we don't know where they came from. It's actually a weird sort of like slipping in the book. He was saying that they found weapons when they were clearing houses that were from friendly nations to the United States, allies, Germany, especially France was being thrown in there. I mean, the arms trade to me is like drug dealing. It's just like there are people that are always going to be trying to move some sort of product. Like regardless of what treaties they're enacted in, if you're sitting on a pile of like Stinger missiles, you're like, hey, it's, all this dead inventories cost me. Wait, I don't care

who I'm selling it to. Let's get off my hands. So, but Chris Kyle also, didn't he said some weird shit in his book, right? Yeah. Like, didn't he say that he sniped people in New Orleans from the Superdome? Yeah, there was a lot of talks about

he was deployed. So when I was in high school, I used to read all these books and I was like, this is like, this is like, has to be true. Like, I'm beginning to question some of it. I really wanted to be a Navy SEAL if my college football career didn't work out and I didn't get recruited. So that was like where I was going with it. So I read all the books. Instead, you're going to be a handball player. Yeah. We're going to get there. But he was also,

you know what else is crazy? So the amounts of private contractors that were used, especially running up to the Iraq war, basically we launched the invasion of Iraq from A base that was built by private contractors, and most of the invasion was a lot of private military contractors, such as Blackwater. They're now known as Z, which is this pretty shady organizations when their business is literally war, like, you know, not under any country's flag, just guys being deployed for money. Mercenaries, yeah. Yeah, so it's a very interesting because they were also. I think they didn't really do the invasion. We started using those contractors after it had been invaded.

And we're like, we put them in to maintain and like try to put down some of the, the insurgents, right? No, in the run-up, even before we declared war, they were involved, they had contracts going with the U.S. government. It was sort of one of these weird things. And their involvement in Iraq has been very like talked about and how they basically were just because they weren't operating under a country's military. They were doing the worst stuff and just like all the problems that, you know, the military had a lot of it was just slip right under the rug because they were literally just shooting up like town squares and like literally. all the crazy stories you hear about like roided up commandos like going nuts like drinking and just shooting up places like this was all real this is where these military contractors uh so if you want to go back and look at the actual vote so after after colon pal makes the case

to the u.n uh and there's a bunch of stuff in that case that he was he was delivering to them which was just it's now demonstrably not true so So when he was getting briefed by Scooter Libby, he took that speech to the CIA, and he would ask them, oh, how do you know, like, where's the connection between Muhammad Atta and the Iraqi regime? And they would say, well, we have a source in Germany that said it. And it turns out that the source was total bullshit. It was like a German intelligence source that had been washed through like a couple levels. And even German intelligence was saying that was bullshit. But again, this all kind of goes back to tying in things in order to make.

make your boss happy when you're but we don't think that he delivered that speech thinking that was false right i don't think so no yeah i don't think that i don't think that colin poll he seems like he's i don't know i don't know the guy personally well and that's i sold a christmas tree to his wife really yeah well and like he was such a respectable figure right that that's why it was such a big deal that he said yeah like that's why they had him do that yes so i because he was so if you looked at like who was more trustworthy at the time, Dick Cheney or Colin Powell. It's like no one, no, I don't think anyone's ever really trusted Dick Cheney ever, like even his friends. Probably. They're just like Dick is, he's always pulling one over on us. So yeah, Colin Powell was looked at with, I mean, he was involved

in the first rack war also. But they, they asked him to give that speech. I don't think that he was, no, I don't think it, he would not have given that speech if he knew that there was like, all sorts of stuff that was not true in it. So then, They write up the authorization for use of military force against Iraq in 2002. I was always taught, like, in school, that Congress goes to war, right? That's part of their, like, that's the job. If you look at the separation of power, like checks and balances, Congress decides when to go to war because they represent the American people. Like, a president doesn't decide that, right?

No, not usually. So I don't know. I've noticed this recently, but now it's the president writes up, hey, I want to go to war. And then they go to Congress to ask them to authorize the president to go to war. Yeah. Yeah, that sounds right. It's got to be for some sort of legality where it can absolve the actual forces that are on the ground or the people that are involved in the construction of the war. I don't know why they do it.

But that's, I remember that this is one of the first times. I at least remember happening. So they write up the use of force agreement, passes the House 296 to 133, and then it passes the Senate 77 to 23. Think about that. 70s in the Senate, in the United States Senate, like we can't agree to do anything past like a 50-50 split, maybe 51-49 for like a bill that's giving like larger amounts of vaccines to rural communities.

maybe we'll get that through like 53 to 47 maybe 77 people in the US Senate were like yeah let's go to war in Iraq this is going to be a good idea because they were all kind of pussies and they were like you know what people are going to call us soft on terror if we don't go along with this and vote for it so 77 people I will never trust a representative that voted to go to war in Iraq and as Big T brought up Hillary Clinton you're really excited to bring it up She voted yes You said that, not me I will never trust Hillary Clinton for that reason That she allowed Well, I don't know what position she had Maybe she thought that we should go to war

With Iraq to begin with Because I know that Bill launched a couple Scud missiles to distract people From Monica choking down his hog You remember that? That was an all-time moment I feel like we don't talk about that enough As a country

The day, I think it was the day That the Ken Star report came out Bill Clinton lobbed like four Tomahawk cruise missiles at soap factories in Africa and Iraq, I believe, and like went on television that night and was like, my fellow Americans, I've encountered a grave threat to y'all and I've decided to take action to protect the security of the United States. But it was really just because reporters had gotten their hands on the Kinstar report and were reading about him shoving a macanudo into Monica Lewinsky's vagina. it's literally what he did just like incredible spin zone i'm going to start a war i mean anything to not get caught yeah uh so who knows maybe yeah you know who else voted to go to war who's that Biden yeah Biden Joe Biden did so you don't trust him i do not fully trust Joe Biden no okay i think anyone that that has allowed themselves to like i don't know people forget when we

haven't been to war in a while, this happens in our country a lot. When we haven't been in a real war for a while, we forget that war kind of sucks. And we start to have all these like military advancements and technology. We do have like the most advanced military in the history of the planet. And we think that, oh, war is not a big deal. We'll just, you know, we'll send in a few laser guided bombs and we'll be out of there. I think Rumsfeld said, I don't know how long it's going to take. It's, it might take days, it might take weeks, might take months, but it's not going to take years because that's that was like the feeling we'll just put some laser guided bombs on the right targets and boom that's the end of the war it turns out that going to war sucks it

sucks really bad for the people that are involved in it sucks for their families sucks when they get back from war uh even if we accomplish all our all our objectives like it's going to fuck people up for a long time it's not it's not a good thing to go to war but people forget that like it sounds insane to be like, people forget that war's bad, but it's actually true. It's like very true. It's because it's so, um, uh, like we memorialize it so much and it's almost like the allure of it. It kind of waters down the reality of it. Like even when politicians talk about war, they're like, you know, we lost this many people or this many people. It's just like, you know, those were humans that actually died for your stupid fucking cause. Like, and the majority,

their wars are fucking stupid. They're just like ego-driven politics or greedy humans. And it's like you really forget how gory this shit is. And also this was the Iraq. I mean, the wars in the release or some of the like everyone talks about how war changed World War I. There were shells. People started getting shell shock.

It's a whole different like psychology when you have guys going out in Humvees and they don't really see. the enemy most of the times it's usually these guerrilla warfare tactics these iEDs this mental omnipresent idea that hey i'm in this car and it might blow up in five seconds i have no idea like i don't think any of us will ever be able to who haven't been through it like like understand the immense psychological stress that so much of the armed forces go through when deploying these countries and literally I mean

it's just intense. Also I keep a running list of people that I fucking hate because of the Iraq war and everybody should honestly. The fact that we've lost so many people over there and had so many of our neighbors and friends like come back

disabled or dealing with mental issues as well as like maybe you know upwards of a million Iraqi civilians that were killed for really no reason whatsoever. Everyone should be really pissed off about it. So I've got my list. Hillary Clinton is definitely on that list, Big T.

Joe Biden is definitely on that list. Also on that list, basically the entire staff of the New York Times at the time. Because the New York Times, they were fucking morons. They would just, they were the, you know how Darren Ravel will take a press release from Budweiser and be like, oh, Budweiser is putting their logo on the coin flip for the Super Bowl this year? First look and then like just copy and paste whatever they sent to him. That's what the New York Times was doing, helping make the case to Americans that we should invade Iraq, just publishing bullshit to the point where in 2004, I think like a year after the Iraq war started, they ran, yeah, May 26, 2004, they ran a giant apology note for getting us into the Iraq war.

So water under the bridge New York Times, but they're still on my shit list. Well, morons publishing bullshit at the New York Times, I guess. not much has changed in that regard in 20 years. There you go. It's funny to me when like a writer at the New York Times will... Even Aryan thought that was kind of funny. He tried not to laugh. You're definitely funny, but too.

Well, people, I think it's fair to say, like, people that write for the New York Times, they're not your friends. They have their agendas too. They have their friends in government that they try to protect their sources and things like that. They get a lot of stuff right because I think they're usually, you know, a lot of times they're good reporters trying to do the right. thing but other times they just show that they're spineless wimps that'll just write whatever you tell them to write i think a lot of the situation in america right now with misinformation and people

not trusting you know certain entities stems a lot from this like if we think about like going into iraq like you know you have you had a whole you know thousands of people who you know they were basically telling them to send their sons and daughters overseas to do this and you know now it's it's just sort of sad that we've gone to a point where people just don't trust the government because of all these decisions that are like occurred when has there ever been uniformity and trusting the government i think world war two was probably the last time yeah or vietnam changed a lot of that i mean not from my advantage point.

True, true. Nah. Like there's just never been it's the U.S. has always been like that. It's always been like deceptive and

the king of propaganda like yellow journalism. Exactly what we talked about last week was like they like even like so when we did that whole like kneeling on the anthem thing right this was always intriguing to me how it's like it's insane how there's like a contract the military is a contract with the NFL to promote like

militarism like the flying over the stadium and all the military stuff like the military day that's all contracted like that's that's insane like one of my girlfriends um from college she was from Germany and one time she was we was watching TV and there was like a there was like a ad about you know be all you can be the US Army thing and she was like what the fuck is that and I'm like it's it's an army commercial she's like you guys like recruit people on TV like that's insane like to go to the army like we don't think about like that because it's so normalized but like people that aren't used to it like that is kind of wild dog that they like it's one commercials like yo come fight for us and next is like a burger

commercial that's weird it's yeah it's weird yeah it's strange that they have commercials for the military and then like commercials for like drugs that you should ask your doctor to prescribe for you like back to back other other people don't understand that from other countries the military does make some fire commercials though you remember the one back in the day where like the demon like came out of the ocean and it was just like one guy ready to gun him down like like if p i could see billy like 12 year old billy being like fuck him up yeah yeah dude i was totally suckered into all that like i mean when american sniper came out i was just like i'm gonna be a navy seal like this is gonna happen like and then there was the the call of duty ones that they're using recruit kids nowadays where like they show like a cool like call a duty ask video game and then the like character turns to you and goes

you're sitting on your couch and doing this come go do this in real life that it like zooms out of the TV and it's like some guy like playing video games on his couch being like yeah like I'm gonna go do this shit in real life that's the exact opposite of what I want to I really want to sit on my couch and do that yeah yeah I mean, did NYPD just deployed that new video game van where they're trying to, like, that's all that is. That's a recruitment tool. They're going to only have Call of Duty, Battlefront, all those games loaded in there.

And they're going to be like, oh, you're really good at this. Do you want money to do this in the real world? That's all that's going to be. Hang on. The NYPD's going around with a van, like getting kids to play Call of Duty. Sorry, bus is more accurate. It's like a big, it went viral week or two ago. It's like a big bus that's just loaded up with PlayStation's and Xboxes.

They were saying that they were using that to collect fingerprints. Fingerprints and DNA. I'm sure they're doing a lot of things with that boss. Yeah. It's a very. It's not just to let them play video games. Didn't soak up? They were like the Navy was involved in like a lot of those video games that came out like as consultants.

Yeah. I mean, the whole works. Pretty trash. You don't like Cod? Codd duty. So like this is why I got introduced. to Valerie. Have you heard of that? It's a PC game. Yeah. So it's like, it's like CSGO mix with Overwatch. So it's like that's like the character. But anyway, the gunplay on it is so

dope because it's like, it's like very strategic shooting. Like if you shoot somebody in the head, they're dead, right? But like in Call of Duty, like you got a hold of like you got to, it's just too much, man. It's just unrealistic. I don't like it. The game's changed. It used to be a lot better. Long time. Yeah. My show, Modern Warfare 2 was my favorite. Yeah. And then after that, they lost me with Black Ops, three. And also, there are a lot of bugs now. And people complain about it. Yeah.

I just started playing Call of Duty during quarantine. But I'm maybe the worst player in the history of Call of Duty, but I'm really good at being a rat. Like, I'll stay in a, I'll camp out in a building and I'll just, like, kills. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, I hate you. I hate you.

Name of the game is to win, right? Nah, bro. Fuck out of here, man. There's no skill involving that. That's a hot debate for the internet. Like, who are the campers? Like, come out. They took away a lot of my good nesting site, so I can't camp as much as I used to.

So I have to get out there and involved in the action a little bit more. But, yeah, for a while, I mean, I think I've got like six or seven solo wins. Hank still doesn't have any. That's tough break for Hank Lockwood, even though he's much better than me. Let's wrap up some of the Iraq war stuff, though. So we invade Iraq and we shock and all of them. and then we changed the name of Iraqi soldiers to enemy combatants. That way we can keep them and torture them for a while.

That was a big deal when Rumsfeld came out was like, we're not calling them soldiers anymore, by the way. They're enemy combatants. So legally by saying that, we can waterboard them. And then the biggest fuck up that we did in the Iraq war, I actually think that things might have turned out pretty well. This might have been a pretty successful war in terms of like accomplishing our objectives. Because we did steamroll them because their army sucks and their leadership sucked.

have the support of the people. So we steamroll them in like two weeks, and then we make the decision to disband the entire Iraqi army. And so that might seem like a smart idea just like when you hear it, because it's like, well, we just, we fought a war against them. Yeah, we should probably get rid of the entire army. But what it did was it put all the young men that were aged like 16 to 40 with weapons training out on the streets with no job.

and no income for their entire family. And then they just try to get money from whoever they can get money from. They end up being the ones that probably would have been on our side if we had just continued to pay them and just reformed the army without the bath of Saddam Hussein regime like controlling them. But instead, we put them out on the streets. They didn't have any money. They were pissed off.

And then they started an insurgency against us. and then that kind of caught on, and then one thing kind of led to another, and we're still in the country 18 years later. I don't know. That's like a big point of debate. Like, is that hindsight saying that you should keep the army around once you just got done starting a war with them? But we said we're not fighting a war against the Iraqi people.

We're fighting it against Saddam Hussein, right? So I don't know. I feel like I don't think that that's hot of a take to say we should not have disbanded the entire army after we kicked their ass. And then ISIS happened And then ISIS happened Actually I read a whole book on ISIS

And they weren't the JV team Like Obama said They're actually like literally Basically what happens They had this prison I think it might have been Algarab The one that came out with the prison With the with the

Abagreb Yeah I'm pronouncing it terribly But the ones with the pictures And the US soldiers Like messing with the prisoners Pretty badly But basically, I think it was, I think it was this prison, but basically it was a training ground for terrorists because they took all the terrorists and they put them in this prison along with other criminals who weren't necessarily terrorists. And basically the terrorists were like, well, what are you in here for?

And they taught all of each other how to do certain like build IEDs. Like, you know, there was a lot of radicalization within that prison. and then the prison got disbanded. You had guys like Al-Assad, who then started ISIS and basically installed a caliphate in all of the regions that the U.S. had drawn back from. And, like, at one time, because that was when I was really, like, I wanted to go fight ISIS in high school.

Like, that was my, that was the new propaganda. on the war on terror. I was actually interested. Go ahead. No, no, you go. I was going to say, I'm actually interested in that mindset, though. Like, like, because like when I look at military commercials and stuff, like, because of my upbringing, I look, I'm entirely different than you probably did.

So, like, what is your, what is the mindset? Like, when you see that kind of shit, like, what is, what do you go through? You're like, you're 14, 15 years old. You know, you grew up in a, uh, environment where you were taught to love America and, blindly you know stand for the anthem like it's very you know patriotic mindset it was sort of very coupled with masculinity in a way that like oh you don't love your country like pussy or something like that like and you basically get to a point where you like you know you're sort of thinking like what do you want to do with your life and you start to look at all the things

that you like believe in and you're like well i love america like america has done so much good for me like i would definitely fight for america and uh you see u.s soldiers and like you know people in your community as well as people you know and they're all like you know a lot of i have military service in my family both my grandfather served so it was kind of like you know it made a lot of sense that like i i could hypothetically either go serve or you know while like that was sort of my fallback plan if I didn't make you know didn't play football in college when it when it comes to ISIS though I'm going to give you a little spin zone maybe like it's a PR 101 move for ISIS actually do you think that there's a possibility that like the reason why ISIS became such a well-known thing

is because they put out like so many of the worst most gruesome videos like the evilest people that you could imagine the shit that they were doing to people torturing and killing them was just like it was unlike anything that we've ever seen. Like they took pride in coming up with creative, like disgusting ways to kill people on tape. Do you think that they were doing that for the shock value to show to the international community to make people want more badly to go over there and fight them on their turf in a war

where they could just like slowly like they would obviously lose the body count and they would all die, but to slowly like bleed countries like America dry and like pick off some. of the soldiers that came over like do you think that you got so mad at them you think that your mindset was actually like in a weird way what they wanted yeah a hundred percent also i totally left this part out um we i was one of the first generations to grow up on the internet and part of like being an idiot teenager is like you know you they'd send each other like fucked up

videos like like like funny ones like two like you know the classics like two girls one cup Big T, have you ever seen two girls, one cup? Unfortunately, I did see it. Unfortunately, it was unavoidable in our age group, like, you know, like your friends would prank. If you hadn't seen it, someone would, yeah, there was no way around it. Anyway, like the ISIS videos were going around on live leak, like, like, and you saw that and you're like, this is definite, like, evil. Like, this is evil. Like, if I want to be good in this world, like, you should probably stop this.

Actually, you know who talked about this? Nick Merck's talked about how, like, he tried to be a Navy SEAL or, like, special ops at some point. And he was, like, talking about, like, yeah, like, you see these ISIS beheading videos. And, like, you're just fucking around on the internet. Like, as a, you know, teenager, like, and you just stumble upon these. And it makes you seriously angry and, like, gets you, like, riled up. And it's just like, because there was some crazy, like, you know, in the media, just pump it.

Like, like, the guy gets. being set fire in a cage, like all sorts of stuff. And if you're like 14, 15, like, that's like, you know, I could only imagine what the people who, you know, really remember 9-11, who then enlisted, like, seeing some of those videos was probably like just the same type of propaganda to reenlist. Well, yeah. And I mean, it's, it's natural, I think, to see some, at least in the case of 9-11, when they were attacking our country and attacking, like, buildings and, you know, things in our

hometowns to a certain extent. uh you're pissed off about that like they killed people they killed thousands of people and so it's like discussing so you want revenge you definitely want to get revenge against that and make sure that they don't do that anymore um at the same time you got to balance that out with like okay you have to protect yourself but how much of committing to like a long war over there is actually playing into exactly what they want us to do like if i don't think that if you were to ask bin lana aside from getting shot in his eye a few times by a Navy SEAL, like this probably couldn't have played out any better for him,

like, taking like a terrorist attack to the United States and then making them commit to not just one, but two wars for the next 18 years. And you got to remember also, like for every person that we've killed in Iraq via like a mistake, if we take out, let's say we take out like an ISIS like ammunition storage facility or something like that. And we kill. a guy or a lady that lives in a building close by, all of their children are going to grow up to be like, I'm going to kill every American that I can see, you know? So, like, how many more people did we create by staying over there for this long? It just feels like it feels like we kind of played into that hand a little bit.

But again, I understand the mindset of being like, let's go over there and let's take out al-Qaeda. And if the Taliban won't let us get to al-Qaeda, let's take out the Taliban. But then at a certain point, you've got to be like, what are we doing? over here like building an entire country that doesn't want us here but also they're like and you'd read about ISIS and like ISIS is main ISIS wanted a battle that was like like in their ideology they wanted to have a final battle with the West like to culminate in like ultimate jihad and basically like end the whole world yeah which I mean if they were putting out those videos to sort of try to get the West to literally come and fight them like that if that was the point of their

propaganda it was you know pissing off some random teenagers sitting in the basement on his computer like so I also think they if these kids over there that are joining I say they just got laid when they were like 12 or 13 probably go a long way that's a little young that's 12 or 13 you're right that is a little bit I guess What I'm saying is there's a lot of sexual repression over there, you know? Like, think about yourself when you're 13 years old. Imagine if you never saw, like, a leg and you're 13. Forget about a nipple.

Ancles. Like, you've never seen a fucking foot in your entire life. You're probably, like, that's, it's not natural, right? You're going to have, I don't know. Are you saying that ISIS was just a bunch of incels? Yes. Yes, I am saying that. I'm saying that they're the original incels.

The original insol. I'm also anti-ISIS. I want that on the record. Sean, yeah, that's well. Anti-ISIS podcast. We officially denounce ISIS. We do. And ISIL?

Yep. So long story short, we're still kind of in Iraq. I guess I get, is there a topic that I get pretty passionate about and pissed off about because I remember very specifically. It seemed like at the time, everybody in the world or in the United States was like, okay, it's a good idea to to start a war in Iraq. And I was like, why? Like, I felt like I was going insane at the time.

And I, the only, like, lesson that I can take out of this is just don't, don't trust people in general. Don't trust your government because they do not always have. They're not thinking big picture and they're not thinking about you. I have a question. I think, I think, Rook, I just want to, because I don't, this might be getting into conspiratorial land. But, like, I think that it's kind of insane that it's legal for members of Congress to have stock options in, like, defense contract. Like, that's insane. Like, that is a direct conflict of interest that is borderline evil.

Like, so, like, Lockheed Martin, like stuff like the weapon manufacturers, a congressional member can own stock in one of those companies. That's fucking insane to me. Yeah, it is. I think that that should definitely be illegal. I think that a lot of stuff should be illegal, especially in terms of people voting to go to war when they have no personal stake. That's another thing that pisses me off about this war is that everybody that was kind of leading the charge and banging the drum. This is how you could tell that they were full of shit had never served a day in the military.

Because you can talk to people that have served, and they, especially if they've been in live, combat they will tell you like this is not you shouldn't just decide to go to war someplace it's a little more serious than that you have to you know a clear objective and you have to be prepared to deal with some losses but everybody that was trying to go to war hadn't served in military before it was all theoretical and when you're using war theoretically you can be like yeah we're going to win this war without getting into the details of well what does that really mean like how many people are going to die because you just felt like you wanted to you know accomplish an objective um as a quaker do you get out of the draft because you are against war as a

religion i do yeah i do get out of the draft if if it comes to that because it's a conscientious objector uh thing where again i don't know if my parents had me grow up in the quaker church because they just wanted me to not be in the draft but um whatever it is it seemed to have worked how would you how would someone obviously you were actually raised as a quaker but i would somebody who wanted to just say they were a Quaker, like, how would they prove that? I think you might be able to just, like, say it. Yeah, like, I don't know what the verification process is. There's no way to know, like, do you really believe this?

Or are you just saying it? One of the funniest ways to get out of war ever. Ted Nugent, you know, Ted Nugent? I know the name. I don't know much about him. He plays Cat Scratch Fever. He's a guitar player. He got drafted in Vietnam.

And he spent, I think, like, a week shitting himself. not showering and pissing himself so that when it came time for him to go into the recruitment thing he just could say that he was insane and so he didn't have to go serve and they're like okay this guy's nuts you may actually in order to do that I think you actually do have to be insane so he was probably correct you probably correct yeah Bruce Springsteen guy hammered the night before his uh his draft like his uh medical check and he just showed up super hungover and they're like you're too short yeah

shit I'll take that one so you like like Billy when you registered what was that four years ago I didn't actually register for anything oh you don't well

when you're 18 yeah we know when you get to selective services card that only I think that still only gets sent to guys yeah I don't

correct yeah I don't think I ever did my I know people that just never filled it out nothing happened i i filled it out yeah but like i have never i would definitely i don't know anything about that i would definitely go to war for like a worthy like if there's no i don't know way i'm fighting some other nigga battle i don't know like maybe maybe something would show up like recently and it would be just i mean everyone in 2003 probably in 2002 like after 9-11 probably thought you know this is a just cause like we should do this like i'm not dying like i could easily probably get caught

one of those if it happens again you could definitely be convinced to go to war yeah i honestly like i don't know i struggle with that sometimes with the whole conscientious objector pacifism thing like if if somebody's about to like fuck us up if they're like invading or you know it's like a direct threat yeah i'm going to want to fight too but like i don't really trust anyone who's telling me hey your life is in imminent danger unless i like see it with my own two eyes otherwise it's just like, okay, I don't, like, I don't know why I'm being asked to clean up a mess that you made. Yeah, there's no way. I'm going to, they're going to have to. That's a good way to put it. Especially when their children, like senators, their kids don't serve at the same level.

Especially when it's like when it comes time for a draft, they get deferments, they get, you know, special privileges. So it's like people, it's, again, it's the separation of people that are making the decision to go to war with the people that are actually doing the fighting, which makes things like the Iraq war happen. And what's mind boggling to me is, like, I think still like 35% of Americans think that it was a good war or a just war to get into. I guess you could make the argument, like, depending on what your definition of just is. But like to say that it was a good idea and that you would do it again, that's actually insane. If you're like, yeah.

Yeah, let's run this back. I mean, there is, should we get into oil? Yeah. Let's get some oil. Let's do it. Well, there is a conspiracy. Now, I'm not advocating of this conspiracy or talking, but there's this idea that, you know, because of basically in 1974, we got Saudi Arabia to agree to price their oil exclusively in the U.S. dollar in return for military equipment and protection. You got this organization of multiple foreign entities called OPEC, and OPEC includes Russia, Iran, basically, a lot of the sort of access of evil, you may say, that Bush referred to a couple

times, was founded in September 1960 in Baghdad, Iraq. It's actually his headquarters and is in Vienna, Austria. So what basically people say is that they think that Dick Cheney in his Halliburton connections wanted to ensure that the U.S. dollar still may its strength through the Federal Reserve by invading Iraq and ensuring that all Iraqi oil is then under control of the United States because Iraq at the time was supposed to have the fifth largest oil reserve and would be a major player in global petroleum distribution and that whoever controlled sort of the pricing of that oil would be a larger player when it came to. to the geopolitical landscape. Weren't they, like, burning their oil fields when, like, when we first started going over there, they're, like, burning their oil fields. And, like, charhead.

Yep. And so, so, like, that's interesting dynamic, right? It's just, like, when you, like, why I asked, like, what you felt, like, during those times is because I felt the exact opposite. And for this reason. So, like, my people were saying, like, America just wants to go to war for oil. Like, that's, my people was all saying that growing up. So it was, like, I had a very different, like, very different, like, very very very.

attention point um just um the default in my circles is skepticism but from the u.s government so it's just interesting to hear the other side of it yeah i mean by the way i ended up not serving the military i don't want to act like like stolen like we should have had chaps on here to like really talk about it but like i totally sound like a hard oh but yeah when i was 14 15 i really wanted to join the military at one point just a random dude with a buzz cut you can still do that you can still join yeah well i wanted to like pay for college and stuff too there's a lot of benefits but but anyway uh in iraq's november 2000 uh they re denominated their oil from u.s dollars to euros and the possibility of a more widespread adoption of the euro as an

oil pricing standard, would really put a risk on, you know, like the U.S. dollar, the strength the U.S. dollar in the geopolitical landscape. So. Interesting. Yeah. Well, the blood for oil thing, I think, like, anytime you're talking about what we're doing in the Middle East, it's, we would not be there if it wasn't for oil. We basically got hired to be like to rent a copse for, uh, for, uh, for

Saudi Arabia back in what was it like 19 mid-1940s something like that and so we're like yeah we'll protect your shit if you send us some of that good black stuff and uh you've kind of been over there ever since yeah um anything else anybody have anything else they want to add to iraq a little more of a fun conspiracy theory in afghanistan is that people think that U.S. Marines shot a giant blue humanoid in the cave systems, and it was all covered up. It's actually like a fun one that's kind of a little more lighthearted, not lighthearted because it didn't actually happen, but like there's this idea that a biblical giant killed a bunch of U.S. Marines in a Kandahar cave system, which is a kind of a fun one,

a little more like a cryptid type thing, but it actually... Send that in the group chat. I want to like a link or something. I want to see that. Giants of Kandahar. It's also connected to a lot of Hotep type mythology. What do you know about Hotep, though? I was to say, when you say Hotep, what do you mean?

I don't know. I was like one, I was on my Instagram Explorer page late one night, and I found this. And they're saying that's how it usually starts. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but it was, where is it? Yeah, basically, they thought it was like the same type of giant that killed David in David versus the life. There's Clay Thompson in this picture.

But yeah. The giant of Tandahar, basically, you know, there is this idea that like no one really knows what happened in a lot of places out there. and this is kind of a fun one. But something that was also interesting in Iraq is that a lot of U.S. soldiers found these basically torture houses that would only lock from the inside. But when they'd go in, all they found was dead bodies. They'd break into these places.

It's actually something like scariest. They did find some really bad shit in Iraq. It may have not been nuclear weapons. But like Saddam and his sons were, you know, not the best guys oh no they're pieces of shit I don't want like anything that I've said earlier

to be like I'm team Saddam I'm lumping him in with ISIS I'm also anti Saddam Hussein and Uday and Kusei was that the yeah dude like these shit had sons these guys would literally just point out

women on the street and have their like security teams just kidnap them and bring them into their like it was really messed up but crazy stuff like they'd have like a bed springs

like metal bed springs hooked up to car batteries like all that bad stuff actually there might have also been a torture chamber in the mission of iraq in new york city on 79th street on the upper east side they might have had so back um when he rose the power in 1979 saddam's henchman knows the mu mu muqab barat agents frequently imprisoned local new york iraqis who had immigrated and tortured them to get their um to get their relatives to return back to iraq and stop talking negatively yeah about the regime this was in new york city i believe that in the basement i actually do believe that yeah and then they would they would kill them and ship them back to bagdad

in custom exempt packages you know one thing i've always wondered about saddam hussein when do you decide that you're going to be a beret guy like seriously i mean it's a big decision it is you can't go back once you put on the beret that's admitting defeat if you decide like it's not working out you have to be you have to be really confident that you're going to that's a look that you're going to stick with for a long time serious french move it feels like a similar decision as like someone who's going to be like a mustache

guy or like a goate guy i feel like the mustache plays well with the beret in tandem as well you have to be it's like a dictator move honestly like if you're going to rock if you're going to rock a beret i see a lot of people like if you're in the military rocking a beret is one thing but if you're in charge of an entire country and not actively in the military that seems to me like only a dictator could pull that off armonica loinsic oh again she was a big beret girl it's like carmelo anthony has the the thin mustache and uh he started with the beret and it's gone

into a complete different direction in the hat world. Yeah. Basketball fashion in general is really odd. Is this basketball? I mean, I don't want to throw dirt on my guy's name, but my quarterback is also very much out here in the fashion world.

Yeah, you're right. I guess the fashion world in general is just I don't understand it. Like, it's like do the most ridiculous shit possible when you be like, it's edgy. I just don't get it like I freely admit I don't understand fashion my my biggest hang up is like they do the runway shows where they're wearing like the most preposterous things ever but you never see that like on the streets or on like there's nowhere to purchase it right it's just like

weird like cosplay shit yeah I'm with you I'm with you brer I don't know it's like a live action like art installation actually you know who are we so requiring yeah but yeah John Sino was extremely instrumental and making me want to join the military. Oh, I bet. John Sita. I'm sure of it. Like literally playing WW2K, like, what was it?

It was SmackDown v. Raw 2009, and you could fight in front of the troops. And you could, I literally, yeah, like. I mean, the Dut, like, didn't they introduce, like, a terrorist character during the mid-2000? Oh, that's, yeah, that's one of Vince, that's like his staple move, is whoever we're in conflict with at the time. Like, you're going to be a bad guy. I mean, I didn't end up, I know I'm probably sounding like such a, like a try hard wannabe. Like, like, people actually are in the military probably like, fuck this guy. But like, I was eating it up.

Like, I think a lot of troops and got, have your same mentality, Billy. Yeah. Hustle loyalty, respect, right? hustle loyalty respect you're right i mean most most most people not most there's a large portion of society who found out about bin laden's dying from john sina yeah that we played that the other day on the show that was insane that that seemed like a work too i'm good that's the most convincing conspiracy theory like are the most convincing piece of evidence to point to the conspiracy that either osama bin laden was never killed or that we had his body frozen and we

we chose a specific time to announce it. Yeah, just so happens when John Sina is walking out onto the stage at WrestleMania. Are you fucking kidding me? That is honestly Vince McMahon's wet dream. Like, how are we going to like instill,

like literally probably someone from the Pentagon called the WWW offices and was like, this is going to be the best time to like, how are we going to convey to the people who are, you know, maybe the most patriotic that we kill. Osama bin Laden maybe gain a little cred for Obama's work in the Middle East.

Yeah, we're going to have, well, it's going to be either John Sina or J.J. Watt, which one we're going to pick here? The Rock. It wasn't like Linda McMahon, like Secretary of Education or something, like way too high up? Yeah, good point. Secretary of Commerce or something. Yeah.

She ran for Governor of Connecticut, and I remember seeing one of her ads, and she was like, I've been running a large stale, a large corporation for like the last 20 years and literally they showed a picture of uh triple h pedigreeing someone it's like you know like they show like the the candidates like like at their work site or job like like talking little kids no boom triple h pedigree she's like i'm tough on crime and it's her and like the dudley boys both dressed as cops arch i watched a lot of wwe there was like

That was like my area at WWE was like John Cena, Jeff Hardy. Well, the most classic example was when, like, there was a hostage situation. And then they had the Iron Sheet character who would just go out there and wave an Iranian flag. And then Hulk Hogan would like walk down carrying American flags. Like, you son of a bitch. Oh, yeah. How dare you? Hulk Hogan.

You again. Yeah. I'm a real American. I used to literally listen to that. right of every man I would unironically listen to that song in the weight room what song is that

it's all Kogan's walkout music yeah I can just imagine Billy like doing doing bench press like a little incline to just like listen to that I am a real American let me read this ad and then you guys can wrap up however you want but I'm actually going to miss this

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and the NFL is making fools of themselves constantly, and I saw you quote tweet someone, tell them to stick the fuck off YouTube, like what would be going on in, like, your locker room right now, in your eyes if you were still playing? Regarding what? like the conversations around the vaccines and shit like what would you be telling guys oh my god i'll be telling them to get vaccinated and get the fuck off you too but that's the it's the issue right is like so like there's there's two there's two reasons as to why i see um people are getting vaccinated

there's the general uh like either center to right reasoning as far as like uh the COVID is is it's not as a big deal as some people don't think COVID is real like that kind of conspiratorial land and then the other side is like the more it's hard it's hard to breach these people but it's like it's like black folks in general mistrust the government and for very good solid reasons right there's definitely like they always cite the Tuskegee experiments it goes back in like the 30s where they uh they experimented on on on black folks in syphilis literally was an experimentation or they told people they were giving them the cure for syphilis and it was just like placebo so shit like that that has resonated like my grandfather passed recently in the last last year

and um uh he never my grandpa my grandmother was in she she died in 2010 but even when she was like on her last days he was like yo the doctors are trying to kill us like he just had a strong And he's from that era, right? He's from that. And so the general consensus in the black community, I don't say general consensus, but a lot of us feel like doctors don't have our best interests. I mean, there's still discrimination and disparities

and how they deal with black folk, with medicine, to this day, right? And so when you're dealing with a lot of those things, it's hard to disassociate something that is, like, ravaging the earth like COVID is. or spreading across the earth like COVID is, and then the general discrimination that black folks have felt in this country for years. And so I understand where cats are coming from, but I think they don't, you don't care enough about it to research vaccines. Like generally the anti-vax crowd, it stems from like one dude, Andrew Wakefield, that doctor. Like that's the long as we should actually get into that.

when they just have an episode about vaccines. But when you research why people are against vaccines, it falls flat on its face. And when you research MRNA, it's like really beautiful science that's being created. Right. Like, we just don't have the care enough. And so, like, if people do with real issues about vaccines, I'll listen to them. But if they don't, they just murmur talking points, I'm just like, yo, shut the fuck up.

Do you, like, how many guys do you anticipate us about to see, like, get cut? I don't think they'll cut anybody because of that. But I think if you want to bubble, like, they wouldn't want to deal with it. So there was, oh, I didn't mean. I thought you were done. But there was a report of some team who called somebody about to try out. And they asked to be his vaccine. He said, no, and they just hung up.

And they were like, we're not. That's what I mean. Like, I don't think, like, DeAndre Hopkins isn't about to get, like, cut by the Cardinals. But if you're, if you're like the 40th man on the roster and 50, or 55, it plays your position and he's vaccinated, you're not? Like, I think you're out of there. Yeah, yeah, I do. I don't think it's, they won't cut you because you're not,

but like, given the circumstances, they're just don't want to deal with the headache. They don't want to deal with the possibility, which is their prerogative, you know, and I'm not, I'm not against it. I'm like, like, it's not that hard, bro, if you actually, and the thing is, like, the majority, I don't say, a lot of the cats in the league,

you can go talk to, like, real medical professionals. Like, not the niggas you see on you, on YouTube that are risking their careers for tearing the truth. Not them cats, right? But like real medical professionals. And you can go talk to the ones that you feel are against it, right? You can go get a real solid opinion and get the science explained to you. But like, you just don't care enough.

Like, who is the cat that, and his shit popped up on my time. That's why I responded. But the thing was like, the Bill Gates shit, we're like Bill Gates is like, yeah, my nigger, like, there's seven billion people on the planet. And Bill Gates wants to assassinate the back of it. corner for Tampa like shut the fuck out of here though you're insane that was the long con all this time

yeah trying to get no fucking Tom Brady practice he didn't like the way shut up I saw Mike McCarthy was talking about it and he was like I was surprised this didn't get more play because he was very much like oh yeah I was super

against it and then I literally talked to one doctor and was like oh shit and then I got it it's like yeah, that's really all it takes. Like, if you don't have rocks in your head and you talk to, like, I don't need to do the research. Like, this is what these people dedicate their entire lives to.

You know what I mean? Like, I don't know. I haven't made a point in my life to challenge experts on shit. Yeah. And that's the bothersome part, I think, though, with it, be like, no, man. Like, they'll cite some shitty-ass source or something.

And it's like, though, it takes more than that. Like, there's so much involved in making vaccines. And, like, the talking points that are just annoying, fam. Like, that's why I don't even waste my time, unless it's somebody I care about. If I care about it, I'll try to explain it to you. But if not, I'm like, bro, shut up. I didn't anticipate Michael Irvin being, like, the voice of reason. What did he say?

He was just, like, he's just boiled it down to pure football brain. He's like, if you're anti-getting this vaccine, you don't care about winning. And, like, he's not wrong. He's just not wrong at all. he said something else let me let me pull it up because he was on a roll he had like three days in a row he said something like if you bring up youtube to me i'm not trying to hear that shit like keep it moving that is hilarious man you don't care about winning that's right i mean he's he was like listen you can't be in the weight room as often as

other teams who are fully vaccinated like you simply are not trying hard enough to win a championship if you were not vaccinated and it's like i bet some people are like fuck you right i need to go get the shot today and i think that's the worst part it's not the the the describing of that it's that yo he might have convinced somebody with this shit and that without question if if fouchy day one was just like listen that it's the fourth quarter if we don't get these shots we are going to lose i think you would have seen a flood of people at the vaccine vaccine sites that's it's hilarious man shit man does anybody have uh anything else about the iraq war or vaccines i think we definitely

There's a couple of things that happened in the Iraq War that I thought that I'd love to. We'll probably have chaps on next time when we do in the beginning. But a bunch of questions about Blackwater, mercenaries, and a couple myths that I'd love to hear from him that might have happened. Let's revisit it. Let's revisit it when we run it back next episode. Perfect. We'll do our cleanups. You want to do underwear.

Underwear color. Oh, shit. Okay. I think you went with gray today, Doug. Nah, I went a little adventurous. Shit. It's a red and blue stripe. You got that?

Okay. Shit, man. I've left and lost my touch, so. You got 100%? Were you straight? I think I was at three straight at. Two or three. Yeah.

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