Macrodosing: Arian Foster and PFT Commenter - Is Kobe Bryant a Top 10 NBA Player? | NANODOSE

Episode Date: June 13, 2023

On today’s episode the guys are back in studio with A LOT to talk about. They get into Billy’s Travis Kelce take, the top 10 NBA players of all time, missing kids found in Colombia after 40 days, buying stuff on EBAY and much more! (00:11:52) Travis Kelce (00:24:48) Kobe Bryant (00:55:47) Aviation (00:58:04) Missing Kids in Colombia (01:05:29) UFO (01:12:28) Red Flags (01:23:12) EbayYou can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/macrodosing

Hey, macrodosing listeners. You can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad free on Amazon music. What a, what a disgusting, awful comparison. No, but like he would be like a third, like Gonzalez would be like a almost like a Kobe isn't a top 10 player ever. You're fucking drunk. You are.

That's absolutely true. That's, what, that's absolutely true. Oh, I thought you were saying that Gonzalez is disrespectful to Kobe. No, it's disrespectful to Tony Gonzalez. No, what? Hold on, hold on, hold on. Okay, hold on, hold on. Before we move on.

Bro, I'm so fucking drunk right now. I, dog, I drink last night. Yeah? And it's still here. It didn't go anywhere. I am faded, though. All right. Well, let's use it.

Let's use it. You want to get started? Yeah. What were you drinking? Regular drinks. Just regular. Like hard alcohol? It was liquor.

Yeah, I had some crown of Coke. But it was like, it's regular liquor, nothing that I don't normally do. I didn't even think I drank that much. It was like three or four cups. You know what I call that? I call that roll over minutes. When you use what you got from last. night and you still got it the next day

I got roll over minutes though I am lit right now can we can we include this part of the podcast area all right all right welcome to the roll over minutes and nanodosing it should be a good one it is uh it's Tuesday

it's June 13th it's Taco Tuesday officially for the people and that's that's out in the public domain now anybody can say Taco Tuesday thanks to LeBron James and his change dot org petition which that was a ridiculous marketing stunt to be like...

Did he really do that? Help LeBron James claim copyright to Taco Tuesday. He needs her help. That would be one of the rare moments that black folks can culturally appropriate. Taco Tuesday, you think so? He got a lot of flak for that when he was doing the,

he was doing an accent and everything. It seemed like a little cartoonish. Because it's silly. Why are you doing? Yeah. I guess it's about spending time with your family enjoying tacos. I'm on board for Taco Tuesday being for the people.

also taco Monday but trying to patent it is wild that is kind of whack yeah that's wild yeah enjoy Taco Tuesday but like patenting uh that's come on you're doing too much like wine Wednesday yeah wine Wednesday yeah it's like someone trying to patent that

like a olive garden thirsty Thursday don't patent that fucking Friday we fuck on Friday in this house I just read a book by Ryan McGee he's a He's a sports writer. And it was about his summer working as an intern for the Asheville Taurus in college.

And the owner of that team is the guy who invented Thursday Thursday. I don't remember if he had it like trademarked or not. I guess not because everybody uses it. But he was the first guy that came up with Thursday to get people to go. That's incredible. Yeah. And what year was that? His book was about his summer in the mid-90s.

I don't know when the guy came up. with it. It was before that. Credit to that guy. They should bring back the real men of genius commercials that they used to have and that guy should be on there, the inventor of Thirsty Thirsty Thurston. What was that, what were those commercials for? Bud Light.

Yeah. Or Budweiser, I think. Real men of genius. Terrible commercials. Mr. Thursday, Thursday inventor. Terrible commercials. You didn't like those? No, mounds are blue.

I was watching this. I was watching something the other day. with my kids and over like commercials are horrible like I had this overwhelming sense of like commercials are horrible like just next time you're sitting down watching TV or whatever just look at commercials they fucking suck they're horrible

they're silly we're like used to them but like if you really look at them they are fucking dog shit commercials suck yeah the Super Bowl commercials suck now too I know why I'm saying they post it be like you're paying like a mil What is the price for? Jamie, pull that up. What is the price for...

I think it's like a million dollars a minute. No, it's way more than that. It is. It's like $5 or $6 million for a 30-second commercial. Yeah. Mr. Beast said he was going to have to pay $7 million for his Super Bowl spot. Did he? No.

So what? I guess they're like more money to buy the ad than pay the people to make the ad? Oh, yeah. By far. Oh, Jesus Christ. Yeah, I was really... Yeah, 2022, it was $6 million, $5. hundred thousand per 30 seconds that that is utterly insane that is

dogs and people don't really watch commercials that much anymore no like because they're not good there used to be sick commercials what was they they they fell off they absolutely fell what happened one of them well we have a long discussion about what happened but I won't but what I remember vividly I remember this Tabasco commercial that was fire it was about a mosquito and he bit he bit somebody and he he He blew up. That shit was fired on. That shit was fired, though.

That's a good commercial, but most commercials suck. Most commercials suck. What did, wait, is there something I'm missing? What did happen? Why do the commercials get bad? Aaron. I don't want to get into an economic conversation right now. Okay, okay, okay.

I'm just like, the Houston Texans never played in Super Bowl. That's what happened. If the Texans playing one, the ad rates through the roof, people are going to step up because they know that it's a must watch game but I don't know what happened to the commercials honestly I think more and more people stop paying attention to the commercials

with the advent I would wager that that with smartphones becoming a thing more and more people see the commercial breaks as that's my time to be on my phone you know what maybe it had to do with the 49ers in Raven Super Bowl when the lights went out and they had just so much more commercial time and you know the advertisers felt robbed

that like their time became less valuable. They're fighting back. Yeah, they're like, what? We don't know if the lights are going to turn off in the middle of the game. If I'm Elon Musk, I'm charging more for ads that are served during commercial breaks of the Super Bowl because that's when we're on our phones.

Oh, for Twitter? Yeah, for Twitter. Just think about it. Speaking of ad breaks, you know, it's not decreasing value and people paying attention to it is podcast ad. Yeah, no, not at all. And we do them well. They're always good.

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Please use it responsibly. That's our good friends over at 3Chi. We've got a new friend in the studio today. New friend here, Reed. Reed is an intern. So he's going to be clip. Are you in charge of clipping for this show? Okay, if the clips suck, it's Reed's fault

If they're good They suck, come to me Yeah, come and take it What's your socials So people who want to complain can find you Hey, yo, I've never seen Reed Go in front of the camera read Come in the wide shot read

Say hi to Aaron It's the white camera Read is wearing a red Calvin Klein shirt He picked that out I'm sure that when you get ready For your first Monday here You try to think to yourself Okay, what am I going to be wearing

Did you make a TikTok about your first day selecting what shoes and what clothes you were going to be wearing? He has not. You have a lot to learn about the content game, Reed. It is, we were talking about Trav today, and Madeline said his real name. And Billy was like, who is that? She was like, Travi. I think people have told me if they use my real name, people have no idea who they're talking about. Yeah.

Yeah. For those who don't know Travee, he made a TikTok on his first day as an intern here. about getting ready and what the experience is like and he showed the shoes he was going to wear and he was like some travi's for the boys and he became the subject of ridicule and scorn across the office and I'm sure that he felt like his first day was bad I actually pulled him aside at the end of that day

I was like hey really I know things suck right now because you're getting made fun of by everybody in the office and it seems pretty public and kind of a shitty thing but at the end of the day people know you now and you have a thing and that's a very important thing to have here at the company. So, like, people will remember your name. They might give you a weird nickname like Travi.

But if you can stand out, even if it's getting made fun of, sometimes that's the best thing that can happen to you. And now he has a great job. Now he's got a great job here. And he was on extra dose. Yeah, he was on extra dosing on Friday, which. Yeah, so I saw that pop up. I didn't get a chance to listen to this week.

You don't have to. It's fine. Oh, no. It happened. What happened on that one? We just, it was fine. It got a lot of views. Got a lot of views.

McKenzie and I had to like, be like, okay, guys, we're done here. This is a great, great day. What were we talking about? Give me an example. Like, Billy mentioned, like, Billy and Jack Mac were, Billy and Jack Mac were talking about. Yeah, Jack Mac was also there. Yeah, Jackman was out there. Talking about the effects that birth control have on women.

What else were you talking about, Bill? Not getting pregnant. The Ottoman Empire. Out of context, out of context, that sounds pretty bad, but it was actually like a great conversation. It was actually pretty base, yeah. Yeah, we're based. You were based. No, it was like a, it was a lot of stuff.

All right. Well, I'll have to listen to it. That's the only thing I can say. It was just like a lot of stuff. It's a lot of stuff. It got a lot of visceral, positive, and negative reaction. What was the most negative reaction to it? I want to know what the haters are saying.

Well, someone took, we were talking about, uh, Jake Malasek was also on. It was a whole cast. Yeah, we're talking about the world lacrosse games because he plays in it. He's a goalie. And we were talking about how different countries. get sort of fake citizenships in like basically a lot of American lacrosse players try to claim citizenship in different countries and if you take some of the clips out of context using lacrosse slang it's just a whole thing okay that's didn't explain to me I don't really know

he's trying to go with there no there was like one thing that I don't even think I don't even know if they were referring to that but Billy was like oh like Israel did you say is dirty at lacrosse and people took that the wrong way because a lot of them are just Jewish guys from Long Island who are dirty at lacrosse but then they took it was bad okay I don't think it was there was only one comment all right well I'm gonna have to go back and listen to it I've not I've not had the chance to listen to it so Aryan's back on the show Erin good to have you back um be back man got a big week coming up this week I'm excited about about our episode that we're going to have coming out on Thursday

That would be fun It'll be really, really interesting And you're here Yeah, I'm back in studio I'll be in studio Monday and Wednesday And then doing a little bit of traveling next week We're going to tight end university Where Billy will get to confront Travis Kelsey

On the statements that he made on this podcast Do you think he saw it? I'm sure he saw it. No, no, he did not see it. I tacked him in it. Yeah, he definitely saw it. He doesn't concern with, like a lion doesn't concern himself with sheep.

But you didn't call him a lion. You call him a bitch. And he's also a podcaster now. No, I did not. position. Who are we talking about? Travis Kelsey. Billy,

I'm just, let you want to tell, no, I want you to tell Aaron what you said on this show about Travis Kelsey. Okay, so the,

the nomenclature I used, which I'm going to restructure after I put the statement, I said that Travis Kelsey runs soft. What are you talking about? Okay, I think he runs soft. He was comparing him to gron.

What does that even mean, folks? I think he, like, like, like, Gronk and Kittle, when they get the ball,

they're a danger to anyone trying to tackle them I think that's true what the fuck are you talking about no gronk and gronk and kiddle run dudes over and like punished dudes so so I ran so often no you were elusive

so is kelsey what you're talking about Kelsey Kelsey runs like business like he doesn't run like a tight end should he's the best tight end I know he's a very good receiver and he runs like a business decision like when he runs it's a business decision like what like explain the negative of saying instead of running through somebody and getting three yards more i can go past them and get six plus yards more explain the negative the negative is that you're going to have uh boneheaded bro podcasters

say you run soft what billy's saying is that he he likes watching rob gruncal running to people using his face more than he likes watching Travis Kelsey allude people because he's big and he should want to initiate contact. Yeah, the thing is like the tight end position is, you know, like, I don't know, just watching Grank highlights and I know it could probably cause so many of his injuries and maybe if he did run like Kelsey, he would, you know, have played more games, had more stats, had been healthier throughout his career. But I just, I just love the tenacity that like Grom.

can kill play with and i think kelsey like when it comes when he gets to like the hall of fame and like when people are debating gronk first kelsey i'm just like gronk ran so hard like he ran but kelsey ran better no he ran he ran in a style unbecoming of a title yes according to bill i don't i don't know this but i would put my last thought on it that Kelsey has more yet I think so. That has to be the case because that's the court. People always just say that about me. I was like, well, you're not physical.

Like, I remember a coach, a coach once told me. He was like, not to make this about me, but it's indicative of his conversation. It was like, a coach once told me when I was like a rookie, he was like, like, I was going out of bounds and I just went out of bounds, right? Instead of, instead of going through the guy to get an extra yard or two. And he was like, when you become all pro and you're a pro bowler, then you can do that soft-ass shit. Until then, you go through them and you get the extra yards. And like the next year, I let the league of rushing. And that same situation came up.

And I was like, I went out of bouncing again. I'm going out of bouncing every time. It's just, it's more efficient. It's more efficient on your body. You get more yards evading somebody rather than running them over. When I see Kelsey, it's like he's a better, he's a better route runner. He's a better yards at the catch runner. He's just, he's better.

I just think that the I don't know you can't quantify the psychological effect of gronk running through a whole secondary I think that demoralizes the defense I think like having the secondary

have to deal with like a dude like the physicality of it is way more demoralizing than getting duped by Kelsey this is frat bros shit I don't know I don't know how to quantify it high school coaches love

telling running backs you run scared like quit running scared out there that's her favorite thing to say in the world Aaron you should have finished that run how come you how come you never finished runs like Kelsey Kelsey got pile-drived you're like damn bro just say you a stand I am a stand of that stuff matter of fact you've brought up gronk so many times on his pot you just is a grok stand it's cool I am a gronk stand 100% he's baby gron we glossed over one thing there in that conversation did you say you think Travis Kelsey's the best tied end ever Yeah.

I think he's the best receiving tight end ever. I wouldn't say he's the best. What are we talking about? What are we talking about? What do titans do they receive? They, there's block. Okay, who's the best blocking Titan ever? Go ahead and say,

Yeah, I think there's a, I think there's, Todd Yoder. I was, I would say the best block of time I ever play with is, dude, y'all have never heard of. Yeah, right. Exactly. Who's that? Joel Driesen. This is my fucking guy. I love this dude of death.

He's just a good human 100%. Like, matter of fact, his, I think his shorthy, Yeah, Shorty reached out to me. They was doing like something for his retirement. And there was like, do a little video for him, you know what saying? Like, you know, you appreciated him or whatever. And there's a moment in his career that I never forget because I was a rookie. It was when I was on special teams.

And when I was on special teams, I just, I didn't give a fuck about special teams. I was there to play running back, right? I didn't give a fuck about special teams. So, but you got to play special teams. So he's on special teams. He's like a pros pro. He's the guy that he shows up. He does his job.

job, always on time, just fucking reliable, right? I love this guy. But when I was a rookie, like, you know what I didn't know me? I know him. They call a play, some play on punt, right? We was on punt, and I was like a, I think it was a tackle on punt. And so I got to get back and I got to sit. And I hate him special team.

And so he, and so I, they called a play and I was like, fuck, I have no idea what to do. I did not study this. I didn't, I didn't care about it. And he goes. And so like, we call play and we get down. I was like, hey, yo, what do I do? And he goes, we just. fucking playbook man and they

snapped and I didn't I didn't but it's just like he was just such a pro that he was just like so mad at me that I did and I share that story with him he laughed man but it's funny but like he's the best by far blocking titan I ever played with dog but you don't you'll never know I think it's a it's an overall conversation that we're having

who is the best overall tight end and for you could definitely say gronk is a better overall tight end than Kelsey he broke like because he broke a detack he was he was like a tackle in the running game which is important for running. He was a great blocker and he was a great blocker.

He lifted dude. He lifted dude. He decleted Terrell sucks. Because you have a good hit on somebody that you may have caught him off guard or whatever it can. Doesn't make you a great anything. No. Like not only was a punishing

blocker. Drew lifted Sean Merriman. Is he a better? Like is he more physical than Sean Merritt? Like, no. He just caught him off guard. I think the, but he also, you know, he put in the X's and O's of, like, the run game of the Patriots. Like, he was making his blocks. Like, he was.

I'm not saying he was a bad block. Right, right. But not only did he have highlight blocks, he, like, had the blocks that don't get any airtime. And he had the, like, the receiving stats, like, and he had the yards after the catch. And he was just a beast. That last part, the wildest shit that you can say in debating. And he's just a beast He was a beast

I've never seen like you're blushing Talking about gronk right now bro You are fucking he was the bane I was a Jets fan growing up And watching gronk I was just so jealous That the New England Patriots had gronk And he was just such

I get it I get it man let me stop I get it you are a fan of that man Aaron when you were when you were playing I used to hate him so much When you were playing on a special teams Was there was there a day That you got taken off

special teams and you were like oh hell yeah that's awesome oh yeah it was i still had to practice it when i was it was in training camp going into uh this my second year and uh no no no i I'll take it back. It was after my first game, my second year, I went for like 230 yards against the Colts opening day. And I didn't have to go to the special teams meetings no more. I was just, they, they, he was like, you're good. My thing was the special teams coach, like, I showed up.

Like, because I was still, like, to me, I'm still undrafted. That's I got to prove myself. I showed up. And the special team coach was like, you're not going. do you think that's got to be a good feeling yeah it's like it's like so like all the elite players right i always always wanted to so like during special teams meeting like it would be like andre johnson it would be like you know the quarterbacks like it'll be all the like all the elite players they would go and just like you know go go to the cold tub go to the hot tub

get some work done you know in your body whatever case may be during special teams meeting while we were all sitting there watching the special teams meeting so i think after that opening day i went to special teams meeting and the special team coach was like you good bro Did your teammates, like, resent the fact that you left them? Like, man. Nah, we all root for that. We all, like, bro, go ball. Like, we all, that was one thing I liked about the NFL was like, there wasn't a lot of that.

There wasn't, I didn't really experience any of that. Everybody was rooting for you. So it's like all that contract dispute stuff that happens, like, in the media, nobody, like, there's not a locker room distraction. Nobody, everybody's like, go get paid. Go get your money. Like, because it's like, it's like a us versus them thing. like downstairs versus upstairs when I was there.

I don't know how it is now. Instagram has changed humans. What about the other side of that? Is there a sense of when a special teams player has a breakout game, guys are like really, really excited because that means that another guy is going to get an opportunity to step up and play on special teams and prove themselves. It's like an opportunity for somebody else.

That happens too. That happens too. But I mean, if somebody comes up, that means somebody got to go. So a lot of times, it's like practice squad. Like, there's dudes, like, on practice squad who we would know about, yo, he's a baller. We're just waiting on his shot. And, like, when he comes up, we're like, he's a chance, boy, I better go out there.

Like, that's the type. It's a very good, like, I can't speak to every team, but the atmosphere of everything, everything that I experienced in the NFL was very, it was that. It was just dudes, like, happy for each other because it's a business at the end of the day. And if you excel, that means your family do well, you know what I'm saying? Like, you get exponentially, you know, your life. increases. And like everybody, I never saw anybody mad at that. I never saw anybody mad at that. But in the college, it was very different. College was like, motherfuckers was hating. It was very,

very different in college. But that could have just been my colleagues. I don't know. What about, what about stars that want to put themselves on special teams? Like, I want to make a difference on special teams. Let me return punts or let me get on kick return so I can get down there and make a play. I don't know of any star that has done that. Other than, like, if you like a if you got if you like a receiver and you say you got some bop or you know like I've never met

a star player but like you know let me me be let me be number five on kickoff I never met I never met that guy Rob Bernkowski was on PAT he got hurt on PAT you don't see Kelsey blocking for the extra points does he probably because that's a

bad idea stupid it's dumb I don't care you just described why he doesn't that i know i know but guess what he that's that's just i'm let i'm gonna bro it's because bellichick told him to he didn't fucking volunteer to block on kicks bro get the fuck out of here he definitely did no belichick definitely did billichick was known for that putting his starters on special teams silly shit and billi cheque didn't into the playoffs without brady i still think that puts gronk in the goat discussion i think i'm not saying i don't know i don't clear this uh i don't

think gronk sucks anything right right right one of the greatest titles of all the time i just think kelsey better he's a better i think i think you know the the jordan lebron debate has gotten so much uh you know play that me and my buddy's just been hitting the kelsey gronk debate recently and they aren't in the same stratosphere's but right right but you know for sake of discussion who's lebron kelsey yeah kelsey you think kelsey's lebron yeah kelsey's absolutely what about tony gonzalez would he be jordan no gonzalez would be like cobi okay what a what a disgusting awful comparison no but like he would be like a third like gonzalez would be like uh you know almost like a coby isn't a top 10 player ever you're fucking what dude you are that's that's

that's absolutely that's what that's oh i thought you were saying that gonzalez is disrespectful to Kobe. No, it's disrespectful to Tony Gonzalez. No, what? Hold on, hold on. Okay. Hold on, hold on. Before we move on, hold on, before.

Give me a top three twos of all time. Give me a top three twos. Um, Dwayne way better than Kobe. Oh my God. Hey, yo. I'm not taking this man seriously, but no, get the fuck out. Jordan.

What metric is Dwayne? Wayne Wade better than Kobe. I just also like to point out that last week, Big Tea used Dwayne Wade as a comparison to ice cream to decide how to describe how ice cream was mid. It was good. Yeah, Kobe. So ice cream is the second best number two of all time? No, I realize I've talked to myself into a corner with that one now. But, back.

Okay, okay, let's let's say I grant you, Dwayway, okay? Okay. And then obviously, give me number three. give me number three um clay thompson's listen dwayne wade dwayne wade dwayne weighed dwayne weighed needed shack to win an NBA championship coby never needed that

that's facts what those are facts well it's not really a fact yeah what is a fact cobi one two without shack what are you talking about yeah yeah yeah with paul gasol that's not shack The question was Reni All-Star

And what does that do? There are maybe two to three teams in NBA history that have won an NBA championship without two Hall of Famers or one Hall of Famer and All-Stars. There are maybe two or three. Maybe.

Maybe. But every NBA championship has been one with at least two Hall of Famers. At least. Pao Gasol's championships are just another example of Americans carrying the French to a victory. Hold on We can't

Go on I'm not letting big I'm not letting big T get away with this Hold on Wait You know where Palgasol is from

Right Yeah he's from France No he's not No he's from Southwest France Spain I'm pretty sure

He's France All right now Billy's pretty sure He's French Billy's French Billy says he's French Billy says he's French Billy is from like

The Pyrenees I don't know Which mountain range He hills He's Spain Kobe literally learned I thought he was French Spanish

to talk with Pablo Casasaw But anyway, hold on, hold on, I'm going to need Big T to finish this. Who's your number three? Well, you're limiting me to shooting guards. I mean, you said he's a top 10 player ever. I have, I have a reason as to why, but explain to me, give me your number three. He's probably in the top three shooting guards ever.

Okay. That doesn't mean he's a top 10 player ever. Okay, now give me players. Okay, Jordan LeBron Okay I'll put Will even though I don't like to count old Like that wasn't real but sure

I'm with you on that But for the sake of this argument You're gonna break your own rules Okay let's go Shack's better Tim Duncan was a better player than Kobe Five I'll give you Tim I'd have to sit down and make a top ten

But there's for sure five Steph's better Steps okay Steph's better Okay I got four more man Give me Give me five minutes

Let me come up with Larry Bird's better Okay Um Seven There's another guy that played Alongside Larry Bird Famously

Same era Who His biggest rival You could say Oh yeah yeah Magic Johnson way better Okay Way better

And now is where you could start to potentially start talking about Kobe. You said Kobe is not a top 10 player. I'm sure there are others I'm forgetting. Okay. All right. But for somebody who made such a brazenly bad statement, Kobe gets,

I would think that you would have had this shit for. Kareem's better. Okay, that's nine. Give me one more. Kevin Durant's better than Kobe. Now, now you're talking crazy. No,

no, no. I've got to put, I didn't push back on nine or your 10 for the simple fact of I could see the argument. I don't agree. But you're saying Kevin Durant is a better player than Kobe Bryant. And what metric?

What did Kobe do better than Kevin Durant? When is a winner? I'm not. I can't. I guess if you want to say that, sure. But like it's a team sport. He has a better. He has a better post game.

He's a better defender. He's a better rebounder. Not a better rebounder. Then Kevin. Kevin Durant's 611. And he don't. He's a wing player, bro. He don't bang.

I would say Kobe's probably better defender. I will give you that. Healthy Kobe. I think Pal Gasol is actually Catalonian, which isn't really which isn't really Spanish. It's not French either. Well, it's kind of, you know, it's right in between. What do you have against Kobe?

Because this is not basketball. I don't have anything against him. This is not basketball-related. This is not basketball-related. Yes, it absolutely is. What happened? Nothing happened. Kobe just, I will say,

people aren't going to like this, people aren't going to like this. Go ahead. Kobe in the last three and a half years, people talk about Kobe now, like, rest in peace, very sad that he left us far too soon. But people talk about Kobe now, like he was the greatest basketball player of all time.

Elite, unbelievable, Hall of Famer. But he gets talked about now way better than he was. what that's that's a fact Kobe's okay all the people that you mentioned all the people that you mentioned go look up how they view Kobe go look up how they talk about Kobe I don't think you watch Kobe dog

he's like a comics comic he's a he's a player like yes yes like no when people talk about Kobe it's like he was like a step but I don't I wouldn't disrespect me But, like, it's, they got that Jordan feel when they, when, yes, like his mentality, unbelievable, like incredible competitor, incredible player, all time great player. But he's not like top three.

Like, like, there are people who seriously put Kobe, like, talk about him like he could be the greatest player, but he just wasn't. That's not. He was unbelievable. No, no, like, I just, I don't, I honestly, hearing you say that, don't think you've ever really watched him. I think he caught a couple games. Kobe, where do you? Where do you put him? Like one?

He's in my top five. I like how Aryan's got his top five ready to go, like set in stone. Now, think about this. No, no, it's a sliding scale because I have, much like rap, it's a, it's a sliding scale, right? It's a, it's a spectrum. So it's like, and it's also a lot of it is emotional. I will agree. I think LeBron James.

James is the greatest basketball player to ever play. My favorite player of all time is Michael Jordan. You know what I'm saying? So, like, I will put Michael Jordan to one. But I think LeBron James is a better basketball player than Michael Jordan. What about if Kobe was LeBron's size? Would Kobe be better than LeBron? I don't know.

If you put Alan Iverson in Kwame Brown's body, he would be the best basketball player of all time. This is getting ridiculous. Have you ever seen Stephen A. Smith's rant on Kwame Brown? Yes. The most amazing rant of all time. I feel bad for Kwame. Like, you know what I'm saying? But it was just hilarious, though.

The funniest shit I've ever seen. That's when he got crowned, Stephen A. Smith. When he went after Quama? I think that was his like Swanson song moment where everyone's like, he has arrived. He's the best on television. Or Lamar Odom. When he went after Lamar. Yeah. I think I was after, right?

Quame, man, Kwame is an all-time, like, what could have been guy, but, I mean, when he was drafted first overall, Jordan drafted him first overall, and you can make the argument that what Jordan's done after he's left the game has really impacted how he could be perceived in that top three argument. Jordan off the court may be my least favorite human. Jordan, the executive, stunk. He drafted Kwame Brown because Kwame was good against him in one-on-one, and that's how he was evaluating, like, who to draft, who to take first overall. And didn't he, uh, well, I thought

Kwame Brown played whoever the other guy was that they were talking about drafting. And he kicked his ass and walked off the court and like Michael Jordan was the only guy watching. And he supposedly went up to Michael Jordan and like handed him the ball and said, you're next or something. That might be true too. I thought that's what it was. Uh, Kwame now has been, well, also, Kwame just got emasculated by Michael Jordan in his rookie year for the Wizards. Jordan used to just go after him, just because Kwame was the next guy up and he was so highly touted that Jordan took it personally that people were talking so highly about Kwame. So he just made it his mission to destroy him mentally, even though he was a player on Michael

Jordan's team. He got threatened by his... Yeah. Now, what kind of complex is that? Got called out for Jordan? No, like there's some classical, not Oedipus, but something where like a father is threatened by

his protege or son He got pre-edipus on Kwame He's like, one day this man will want to destroy me So I didn't just like him first Yeah, like a lion It's like infanticide What is that called? Lions do that on other male lions

That they perceive could be a threat at some point Also white rhinos Oh, did not know that The older males, once they basically can't fuck anymore they just go run around and try to kill all the young males. Yeah, basically, Kwame said that Michael Jordan just hazed him all the time. And that's why he never developed. And they went out to L.A.

And he had a couple good seasons in L.A. He had his moments for sure. And that's why Michael Jordan, he said he don't want to, he ain't want to coach. That's because he's like the expectations I have for other people and myself. Like, I just don't want to put that on anybody. That's probably pretty self-aware. Yeah. I can respect it

Can I just go Can I just go back Okay go Yeah I was gonna I was gonna get right back on your bumper dog Well so I wanted to go back To what I originally said though Kevin Durant

Better at then Kobe He's a better score than Kobe Kevin Durant's one of the greatest scorers Ever played this game I'll give you that I wouldn't say score I would say shooter He's a better shooter

I know I think both I don't think so Now is Yo Kitch better than Kobe By your Matrix Does he have the the possibility to be better at the end of his career. Hold on. I don't want to entertain no silly shit right.

Talk about Kevin Durant being a better basketball player than Kobe Bryant. So you're saying he's a better, okay, I'll give you score. I don't agree, but I'll give you score. What else? I mean, he does rebound better just by virtue of being that big. I don't even know. What is that? So Kobe average 5.2 rebounds a game for his career.

Duran average is 6.7, which I would. say is closer than it probably should be. No, because he's a better. Like, think about it. Like, he's taller, so he should get more, right? But Kobe bangs more. But go ahead. Okay, I'll get you rebounder.

He's a better score. He's a better rebounder. Okay. What else? He's probably not better on defense than Kobe. That's not probably. That's facts. So then I mean that, I mean, what else do you want?

That's about all handling, ball handling? Uh, defense is, is 50%. I mean, He's 6-11. Come on. Great ball handler. But that's why he's a better rebounding. Come on, dog.

Yes, no, I said. I said that was closer than it should be. All right. So Kobe's a better ball handler. Kobe's a better defender, which is half of the game. But it's not anymore. Are you saying that what defense doesn't matter in the NBA? Big team, big tea, big tea.

For most of the season. I view you, I view you as an honest man. I think so also. I view you as an honest man. Right now, You're not being honest, man. Why? Because you're saying if somebody's better than somebody, half the game, you're saying that don't matter.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm saying that the way the game is played now, guys, don't prioritize defense. Kobe played with and against, I'm sorry, Kobe played against Kevin DeBrand. They played in the same era, though. This is not for a little bit. Can I jump in real quick? But yes, I absolutely agree. I said, I agree with you.

He's better on defense. I fancy myself to be a Big T whisperer. I feel like I can get inside Big T's head and kind of see where his thought process is going. I don't agree with you, but you continue. Okay, well, you can tell me if I'm right about this or not. He's brains impenetrable. I knew that you were not, I knew you were not going to agree with me before you even said that. You're really good at this, though.

You're really good at, I think what Billy's trying to say. I think what Big T. is trying to say. No, I really do think I know this. I really do think I think I got, I understand Big T's trying to thought, which is he, Big T fancies himself to be a teller of hard truths, right? Saying things that other people sometimes aren't willing to say yet. And he's had this take. It sounds like that since Kobe Bryant passed away,

Big T gets frustrated that he's included in the top three discussion of all time. And he's put up there with LeBron and Michael Jordan, and then there's Kobe that's involved in it. And in Big T's mind, Kobe should not be in that conversation, but people have started to overrate Kobe Bryant after he passed away when i think big t if you gave him truth serum would admit that he's a top 10 player okay but he doesn't like the fact that so many people are including him in the top three

in my way off you are regurgitating things i've already said yeah but i'm saying like this is less about you i think you would honestly put kobe in your top 10 what once i got to nine and 10 i was like that's where you could start to talk about kobe yeah but i wanted to get back to the original like Like, if we all agree, like you said top five, once I got to nine, you were like, okay, like that's kind of fair. Tony Gonzalez, not even close to where that is in tight ends. That's what I was saying. But without Tony Gonzalez, would the tight end position look like it does today?

That's the other thing. Yeah. Probably not. What are you saying? I'm saying Tony Gonzalez is one. Oh, one. You're saying he's number one. Yes.

And you're saying, he's not close to wherever you want to put Kobe. why are you wait what do you disagree with that also i'm i'm going to use you to repackage that and say it in another way because i'm not sure i understand what you're saying tony gonzalez's number one tight end ever so when he said Kobe i was like wherever you want to put coby whether that's five 10 15 wherever it's far away from where tony gonzalez is how's that far away if you're a top 10 player of all time in your sport how's that far away because tony gonzalez is not a top 10 player in football ever. Well, we were talking about just tight ends.

I guess you would have. Mind is wrong. Because even by your metric, even by your metric and your standards, he is close. You said nowhere near close because I asked you who your top three number twos are. And for some reason, you put Dwayne Wade above Kobe. And let's even say you give that. You're saying the top three is not close to the one. That doesn't make any sense.

No, no, no. You have to, he said Kobe on like all time players in relation to all time players in relation to all time tight-ins. So the lists that we were comparing were just tight-ins and then basketball players. I like this. We're debating across sports now. Like, who was greater? Kobe Bryant or Tony and Gonzalez. That's an argument that I guarantee

nobody will win. It's impossible to win that debate. If we're getting into these weird, nonsensical like out of this world takes. He's going to break wrong. Here come Grong. There you go. No, I'm not talking about Gronk. But like, you were talking about Alan Iverson and Kwame Brown's body.

like that's that's pretty out there it is so let's talk about something a little more tangential and like physical that we have evidence for is yokech too french there's UFOs i knew where he was already trying to go with that we don't have to touch upon it but before the end of this episode we need to touch on some of this UFO stuff because crazy stuff's come out all right just want to just put it in there continue continue sorry i'm making note of that all right so i guess what we're looking at right now is tony gonzalez is greater than cobi Brian? At his position? At his position. Yeah. Adam Vinetieri. Okay. This is the best way I can explain it because this is how I interpreted what Billy was saying. Tony Gonzalez is higher on the list of tight ends. I would put him first, but wherever you want to put him, he is higher on the list of tight ends. Wait, really? Yes. That's a very, that's not like a hot take. That is a hot. It's not that hot. It's not that hot. Higher on the list of tight ends than Kobe Bryant is on the list of all time basketball players. Okay. Which is how I interpreted. that's an unfair metric well that's what billy said though i i didn't i'm not the one that came up with that

i do think tony gonzalez is like the third guy in the goat discussion of tight ends okay you know what i'm saying like coby was always the third guy billy you're showing there are a lot people out there that are probably agree with billy that are like tony gonzal should not be included because he has crazy statistics because he played for so long yeah he's a compiler and he also best abilities availability yeah that's true and he also played an era where titans weren't putting up these kids. They weren't as involved in the offenses. So somebody like will agree with Billy as well as receiver

and be like, oh, who's this old guy, Tony? Why is he being talked about in the same breath as Rob Gordon? No, but like that's like what, you know, that's like the Wilk Chamberlain. You know, like older. It's not at all. It's not. Like basketball is different. Tony Gonzalez played in like 2013. Yeah, but that was I played against Tony Gonzalez, but I have

his jersey fan. I, I swapped. I was a, I was a fucking fan girl. I was like, I went up to him before the game. I was like, I called him Mr. Gonzalez, bro. I was like, hey, Mr. Gonzalez. I was like, I phrased it like this. I was like, I don't know if you would want to, but I would love to swap jerseys with you at the game. He's like, yeah, man, no doubt. And I was, I was like happiest shit, right? But anyway, it was when he played with Atlanta. But I think what you're missing is when he played, the game was not

the same. The game was not this past heavy shit that it is now. So all these routes and all these plays drawn up for all these tight ends, it didn't happen. that my man's was six time all pro like come on dogs like as a tight end like he dominated his position for a decade plus and it was he was the standard right and so and so the game changed so now stats are kind of inflated for tight ends very true but but also totally unrelated did you see the picture of tony gonzalez with jeff bezos his girlfriend that like he might be he might be cucking Jeff Bezos. Well, no, Tony Gonzalez is...

I know, I know. But that was just trending. Going back, I do remember his, like, he wasn't go. But how many, did he, how many championships is he have? Doesn't matter. It's just saying. I mean, just saying, just saying, just saying, just saying, let's be fair. He played for an Atlanta sports team for a portion of career, so that's a, that's a great way.

They should have won. They were up 17-0 in the NFC championship game. I just think that, They would have killed the ravens. Championship discussion in football is the most, it's the most, it's the most, it's the dumbest thing to talk about. Agreed. Unrelated to that area. Let's lose it talk.

How many Super Bowls do you have? Zero. Okay. Unrelated to the, to the topic at hand. It's unrelated. Unless you're a quarterback, then it's fair. No, it's still not fair as dumb. I don't know.

Dan Marino. One of the greatest quarterbacks of all time. To this day, has one of the best arms of all time no no no chips you need a team in football fan right and football is the sport where people talk about it the most if i mean basketball maybe but basketball makes sense because you like a you can wheel a team to win in basketball you have so much so much prowess on the court you can cause so much disruption and football it's just you have a small slice of what's going on in the game.

You're not on the field for 50% of the game. Like, you have so little to do with what goes on. You're not controlling what plays you call. You're like, it's very just a very small slice of what's going on. It's like, championships don't matter. Barry Sanders is

the greatest athlete I've ever seen, though. The things that he was able to do with his body, I've never seen before. And you will never see again. Maybe. I don't know. But he don't get talked about and like the greatest athletes of all time because of the fucking arbitrary line we've drawn to sports greatness, which is championships, which he had nothing to do.

He never made the playoff. Barry Sanders never made the playoffs. And he was the greatest running back to ever touch a football. I think he's the greatest athletes ever played a game, my opinion. I think he was too strong. Isn't that how he got hurt? No, it's Bo Jackson. He never got hurt.

Ten straight seasons of a thousand yards. Barry Sanders did not get hurt. He's talking about Bo Jackson. Yeah, I've mixed it up. pulled his own hip out yeah maybe greatest athlete Dionne Sanders didn't he didn't Dion Sanders hit a home run

and uh like have a punt return for a touchdown in the same weekend I think it was the same probably because there was that year that he was he was playing in the World Series for the Braves and flew back right for that game I think it was the same day

I don't know that it may be the next day maybe I don't know but you know something about Dion I didn't know And that's the homie. But I didn't know that he got like part of his foot cut off. Yeah. Recently, yeah. Yeah, I had no idea that he just chopped up part of it.

I think it was from an old turf toe injury. No. Isn't it a blood clot? Yeah, that caused it though. I could be wrong. I could be wrong. Yeah. But like I remember I remember people talking shit about his turf toe injury.

And I did too. This was back in like the 90s, right? I was like, yeah, it's a toe until I got turf toe in 2007. That's one of the worst injuries ever. But I still, to this day, I still feel my turf toe injury. It shit is not no joke, though. Yeah, we have to rebrand turf toe because it's such a soft-sounding injury. It is.

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Before we fully move on, I just want to say, I don't believe that Dwayne Wade shit. I panicked. I don't believe that. That's fair. Big T's a man of integrity. I know. I appreciate that. I do view you as an honest man and wow. But, hey, man, that's that. That, that, I, that, I, that, I love that. Clay Thompson's stats are closer than they should be, but I don't believe Dwayne Wade. Yeah, but to get the fuck out of here with Clay Thompson being on that list. Come on, man, come on, man. I was panicking. He's a great shooter. Great, great shooter. I think you can believe

I was panicking. You can look at the stats. I want to get Kirk Goldsbury on the case, but I want to know for Clay Thompson what his average points per dribble have been. Because he does so much catch and shoot. Oh my God. A a coach's dream was that was that game where he i think he dribbled four times and had like 50 points or something like that yeah coaches across america were just salivating telling their kids that telling you don't got a joke i i didn't like that but happy for him if you're looking at at like the classic coach phrases that they that a high school or youth

sports coach will tell you i would include you got to finish the run on there you're not finishing your runs I would put just finish in general I think yeah the ball moves faster than a dribble does when you're passing it so it's easier to pass it than it is a dribble coaches love saying that shit

what else do coaches always say like in baseball give me an example of a coach a coachism um quit stepping out quit stepping out if you're hitting and your foot goes you know like out toward the outside of the batters box

or stepping out, stepping in the bucket. Get your belly button over the ball for fielding. Yeah. Get in front of it. Yeah, get in front of it. Stay down on the ball. Yeah, get in front of it, stay down.

Yeah. I would have played one year of baseball, so that kind of brought back memories. Yeah, get in front of it was the big one from getting in front of it. Little League. Yeah, what's crazy is I'm, like, so my son played baseball,

and I was teaching him how to fill the ball, and I was like, you got to get in front of it. Don't be scared of it. I was saying the same shit. If you grew up in a town like I did where they didn't necessarily take the best care of their baseball fields, learning how to field be an infielder sucked

because it was just bad hop after bad hop so the ball would just like jump up and hit you in your face. Yeah. Speaking of fields, there's this amazing Little League field in Hoboken, New Jersey, that is the birthplace of baseball. And they have such an amazing, I was just walking the dog when I walked past it,

and I literally just stopped and watched the game because it's out looking over the Hudson River to the New York skyline under the lights. Perfect turf field. And I just kept thinking like, I wish I could play baseball here. It's just so beautiful. Sorry, just total random tangent,

but it is an amazing field. So it says the origins of baseball is Cooperstown, New York. No, it's Hoboken by Billy's house. So there's a sign that's... There is a sign in Hoboken. There is a sign of Hoboken. But there's like a whole argument that it's like, where was it?

I think it technically it's Hoboken, but people don't claim Hoboken. Wait, Hoboken claims to have invented baseball? Yeah, yeah. They said that the club traveled to Hoboken to practice the game. Like it was before double day field. In 1845. This sounds like the debate like they had in the license plates between Ohio and North Carolina. Yeah.

Where North Carolina says that they were first in flight. And then Ohio says the birthplace of aviation, because that's where the Wright brothers were born. But the first flight took place actually in North Carolina. Yeah. So who does have claim to that? I think North Carolina. I think I've awarded it to North Carolina. That's where the airplane flew.

Yeah. That's where it flew. Yeah. It's actually in the desert in South America. That's where the real birthplace of aviation was, where they built all those landing fields there, the ancient cultures. Yeah. There was a I was watching one of them ancient alien episodes one time and it was an interesting tidbit look at Billy face line up there was an interesting tidbit that I think it was the Aztecs they had these like I think it was gold it might have been gold but they had these like little artifacts that looked like a plane like airplane yeah they had wings that that's that was that was pretty interesting I'm sure there's an explanation but I remember I remember that the flyers is what they were called right yeah I agree with that, Aaron.

I think that ancient civilizations did invent aviation to a certain extent. I mean, mimicking a bird. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. They had so much time. And think about this, whatever materials they were using to try to mimic flight were definitely super light and couldn't withstand time. Yep. Like they were just disintegrated. They disintegrated over the years.

Yeah. Good point, Billy. Yes. So Quimbaia airplanes of the Quimbaia artifacts, a handful of these. stylized animal figures, also as an animal, have been misidentified through the lens of parrot, I don't even know what that is, as an ancient portrayals of aircraft. This collection of artifacts are colloquially referred to under the broad term of Quimbiah artifacts are more misleadingly as the Tolema Tullima Jets, the latter name stemming from

the 2009 television program ancient alien. So yeah, but if you look at them, the Quimbaia artifacts. So they're saying they are like animals. Yeah, they were making like dragonflies is what they're saying. And they look like planes. They do they do like planes. All right. Some crazy news happened. But before we discuss it, it's brought to you by Factor. Now that it's summer, you might be looking for some wholesome, convenient meals for sunny, active days. We'll look no further. Factors here. Factors ready to eat meal kit can help you fuel up fast. They got flavorful and nutritious ready to eat meals delivered straight to your door. You're going to save time. going to eat well. You're going to stay on track and you're going to reach your goals. If you're too

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It seems like a natural tie. And have you guys heard the story of the four kids that went missing for 40 days down in Colombia? Oh, yeah, bro. And Amazon? this is wild so it's it's in Columbia it's near the Amazon I don't know if it's in the it might be in the Amazon rainforest it's definitely in the mountains and forests

of Columbia real quick this is why I love Twitter do said so the headline says four kids after a month go missing and come up alive from the Amazon jungle and some do says I don't know if I could survive an Amazon workplace

for 30 days more bathroom breaks when you're in the jungle the kids were aged 1 through 13 and there was a plane crash on May 1st and three adults died in the plane crash and then they just found them in the Caqueta province I don't know if I butchered that looks like caqueta province so they went looking the military went looking the indigenous communities went looking for them and they found these four kids I off the top of my head

I want to say one was about a year old one kid was four I think one kid was nine and the other was 13 and yeah they survived I guess the mom survived for a little bit but she passed away yeah they said she survived for like four days I wonder I wonder how the

the one year old was able to survive they I mean they must have just put it put the baby on the back and been like I we're that's just such an ohana no one gets left behind type of thing yeah that's just such a miracle of human existence yeah totally fast before hollywood exploits this oh i literally just gonna say that there's gonna be a netflix documentary about this into you but like like whenever you think you can't do something like david guggins like when you think you're totally done it's only

you're only 40% of your like total capacity like these kids survived the month it's like the meme of the two guys digging for diamonds and one guy quits one inch away from reaching the diamond shelter how did he how did he come up with that percentage i don't know it might have not been goggins maybe another navy seal but i always think about that when i want to quit it is a big time navy seal statistic yeah your brain is only maybe totally fake but i'm saying how how do you quantify that person i'm not i'm not saying like i love all the motivational speakers i think people going that's what i'm saying like how to how the fuck did you come up with that number like random this like i i don't probably like you you you push

yourself like let's say he was like i think i'm done and he did 40 miles and then he only ended up quitting a hundred miles like that's when he like died like passed out it's where he dies it's like you go to max except just like the the boundary of when you die doing so exactly and also those people that are dead can't you know account for the you know part of the statistic that says you know you can't push that far and if you hit 100% after you die or you like that was so worth it i and unleash my true potential. Did they say how these kids survived? It said that they turned animalistic.

Oh, like yellow jackets. They went feral? I don't think yellow jackets because yellow jackets, spoiler alert, they eat each other. Yeah. Well, they eat each other after they die.

They don't kill anybody. But it doesn't sound like they ate the mom. They went feral. I think they kind of went animalistic. I think they said, I saw something that said they just started like hunting animals. That is interesting. I read a part of it.

They said that, I guess their grandmother had taught the older ones, like survival, some survival stuff. And they just drew off of that. That's what I read. I don't know the truth of it, though. Yeah. That movie. To keep a one year old alive, it's hard in a house. To keep a one year old alive in Amazon?

Yeah. That's, dog. Wild. You're playing hatchet on expert mode. And that kid, that kid deserves to retire. Right. Like, never should have to work again. whoever the oldest kid is like you should never have to work that is the biggest accomplishment

well one of the biggest i have humans the parents were in a private jet it was a helicopter oh was a helicopter it says plane crash i read helicopter oh cassava flower and fruit it's actually pretty lucky these guys crashed in like a jungle because there's fruit my man there's also a lot stuff that can kill you. Hey man, don't minimize the state. I'm not. I'm not.

But, no, Billy said, I mean, it did land in a jungle with a lot of fruit around. Fuck out of here, Billy. Yeah,

like they could have a snake eat all of them whole. Casava flour. And familiarity with the rainforest fruits were key to the children's extraordinary survival an area where snakes, mosquitoes and other animals abound.

Somehow this family survived after a plane crash into the Hershey factory. no credit to them did you guys read that book hatchet when you were kids or did that taken did that get taken out of circulation may have been canceled i don't think it was canceled it was i think i did read it but remind me of the plot it's a you would love this book i think i did read it like the old dude it's like no it's like a 14 year old that that is on a plane and the pilot has a heart attack on the plane and the kid tries to land it lands in a lake but

survive swims out and it's somewhere in Canada I believe I think it's like southern Canada somewhere and he survives in the woods on his own for I don't know like a year oh I did and when you read that book you're like man I hope I don't get to a plane crash but I bet I could survive after this yeah yeah no I did I get it mixed up with like uh we're like Lord of the Flies wasn't that no the Giver yeah Lord of the Flies was like to yeah isn't the giver when they're like in black and white or something? universe yeah yeah it's a different plot line there's so many different books I read when I like used my brain way more when I was like in fourth and fifth grade and I read all these books

but now I can't remember what like plot goes to what like every title every book in Billy's head has been combined into one it's all one story also you probably think that way because you read them 15 years ago yeah that's that's excusable right you should be using your brain more now than you were in four no no like applying applying my brain to reading. You should be doing that also. I plateaued at fourth grade mentally. I'll tell you.

No, I think I plateaued like junior year of high school. That's when I was operating at the highest level. Yeah, you can still read. I know, but I just don't have time. I'm like usually reading about stuff to blog about, like random reports. Blog about the giver, bro. I might start having a book club. We should have a book club of like books be read in six days.

Yeah, that actually would be funny. But we tried that with Sun Tzu and it was dog shit. Yeah, well, it turns out people like, we're actually stupid back then and didn't realize that what he like stuff we know now like that was like new to them like don't attack like the larger army if they're bigger than you like yeah that was news to them that was bad that was that was so bad and it was so bad like we just stopped doing the homework nobody did the homework I think it wasn't this episode we were just like nobody read it yeah we were just kind of like did anyone actually do this one this this shit was

bad man uh bad what's up with this um UFO shit, man. Okay, so it turns out the Vatican and Mussolini got a UFO and the Vatican told the United States after World War II and they got the UFO back. It's like...

Hose. Bro, slow down. Okay, okay. And let me slow out. Say that shit. Say that shit again. So this UFO whistleblower, we talked about Grush. I have only read his name. It's spelled G-R-U-C-S-C-H So David Grush, who's interviewed on News Nation, the interview is now gone private on YouTube.

You can't access it. I'm blogging an alternate link to where you can read it. For some reason, it's gone under it. And basically, he's revealed a ton of stuff about what actually happened. And there's a lot of details that people have all overlooked. Everyone's on their phone right now. They don't even care about what these details. I'm listening.

But, like, it's, no, but like, it's insane that, like, if this stuff is true, that not only has the United States discussed that these UFOs are now UAPs, meaning that it's an unidentified aerial phenomenon and that they came and say they're flying because they might be bending gravity and technically

falling through the sky in different directions that's, hold on, hold on, no, that detail was where? Because one of the things that really piqued my interest about who's that dude that was on Rogan?

Lazzar. Yeah, Bob Lazar. Bob Lazar. That's what he said that the alien technology did. He said that it didn't, there was no propulsion system. It was that it manipulated gravity to where it was like, just like you said, it created, which is fucking brilliant. Like it's like, because if space, that's what the only thing, I mean, a lot of these

said he had a lot of inconsistencies what he was saying, but that part made a lot of sense And when in a sense, like, if space is around us, he's, you're bending space in front of you to where like you're, like you said, you're falling forward rather than like something propelling you, which is interesting. Like, and so where did that detail come from? So apparently that's why the government's gone from the UFO distinction to UAP because they're not flying. Like they're not propulsion is not flying like we think. and they're you know for those who can't really wrap their head around like falling through like if you've heard about how gravity is like if you put a bowling ball on a mattress and that sinking type action uh like that's the like grab like the gravitational fields yeah that's earth that's earth

and their craft can manipulate that field in order to move in like ways that aren't physically possible and this this grush guy he was a physicist for the um uh air force and the reason why he had access was sort of trying to figure out some of these um the the the the physics of some of these craft that's what he's saying uh and like he starts talking about how you know the vatican has had like hundreds of thousands of years of like information on flying objects like this and they actually, when Musil, like he apparently and he has like memos from

like Italian Secret Service that there was a crash in 1933 in Italy. Mussolini's dudes like his whole government found it and hid it in a private spot away from the Vatican. The Vatican found out that they were fucking around because they were like, I guess the Vatican

had at that point been like you know gathering all this type of information for thousands of years. So they're like, yo, they're keeping it from us, but we kind of know about it. And then they told the U.S., and then in 1944, the U.S. took the craft. And that, like, Rosswell definitely happened. All this crazy stuff. Like football-sized, field-sized craft have been cited, like, quite a number of crafts

have been recovered by the U.S., 12. And not only that, but they've determined that these UAPs have NHI. And this is a totally new term that has been in classified documents. Like an STD. I know, but NHI stands for non-human intelligence. So there are government documents that he provided that provide the word non-human intelligence. Okay. Send that.

Send that. That is wild. It's in a, I'm blogging it right now. Is this similar to how the Russians found the Stargate in Hitler's bunker? No, no, this is actually, there's way more evidence to this one. and we did not invade Iraq for Stargate. That was historical fiction and I preface that with this is totally out there bonkers. This is like the U.S. has discovered non-human intelligence.

Not only that, the Vatican has admitted to non-human intelligence, something that they've kind of suppressed. And who is saying this? This whistleblower who's gone through like the same whistleblower like the channels and protections yeah that like suck to go through and basically that uh the government has suppressed all this information then on top of that because this guys came forward there's this marine who recently came forward and gave ev it like he gave his story about how he was in indonesia after an earthquake helping out uh they were sent there to like do humanitarian missions and he like stumbled upon a UFO in the jungle with that was getting weapons loaded into it.

it by like unmarked military Americans and that they like detained them and threatened to kill them. Have you noticed that shit always happens after earthquakes? There's always reports of UFOs and weird stuff going on right after an earthquake. Right, but not this is the first time we've heard about it on the ground. Yeah. Whereas like over Turkey. Yeah. That like there's definitely some electro stuff that happens, uh, in the sky during earthquakes. I forget what is it is exactly. But apparently there's a ton of activity above earthquakes and like there was a on turkish twitter there was a whole conspiracy that did we talk about this i don't know where they thought that nato was using weather control to like do like an attack on turkey this is also a plot line from

conspiracy theory the movie with mill gibson good movie though good movie he's a big conspiracy theorist where he like has everything covered in tinfoil in his apartment and he writes newsletters talking about all the different theories that he has and then the government comes after him because one of his conspiracies is actually true and it's the one that NASA is using space shuttle launches to cause earthquakes.

This is a good question. How quickly do you reveal to somebody that you're dating that you've got a wild take like a wild conspiracy? I was talking to this shorty recently and she telling me that she thinks that the government controls the weather

And I was like, I don't know Date one, date two Wait, I mean, we're just talking via text right now Yeah So date zero? Date zero

No, but like You got to get out there Because sometimes you meet someone That also thinks a lot of those things are true And then you get married Yeah So just lay your cards on the table Day one

I'd say for a girl You can say anything After you have sex And then the guy's like, well, okay, well, we had sex. So I can put all that stuff out of my mind. I still want the sex. No, I think it's before. You said after.

Yeah. No, if you're a girl, you can say whatever you want after the relationship has reached that level. Oh. You don't want to say that beforehand. I think you could say it before and then the guy only realizes that you're crazy after. Because if a guy wants to have sex with you and you start dating, there's very little that will convince him to not have sex with you. but maybe you don't want to give any sort of opening, I guess is what I'm saying.

Give me a red flag of like, yeah, I'm not. Multi-level marketing. Easy. If she's in an MLM scheme, that would be instant, I can't even hang out with you. I can't talk to you anymore. But if you're selling supplements, it's different. No. Depending on what types of supplements.

If they're good supplements. Yeah. If she's selling Arbonne, get out of there. Yep. So what about the opposite, ladies? What's the, what's the, what's the, What's the red flag when you're like, okay, this is never going to go there? Oh, wants, like, talks about his mom like he wants to have sex with her.

Oh, whoa. Wait, okay. That's, that's what. That seems to be a just you thing. Very personal. Very specific. Give me an example of that. No, I have heard that before.

Really? Like, not actually, but they're just like in love with their mom. Yeah. And the mom's in love with their. And it's a two-way street. It's the mom wants to kiss the son and the son also wants to kiss the mom

and then there's a two-relationship there and you're like, oh, like you're never going to be the number one girl. Yeah, you know that when you get into the relationship, mom's going to be the helicopter mother. And then you know what happens when it's not like that? You know what they say? He doesn't respect his mother. He's not going to respect. No, there's a line.

No? Maybe he just. with them. Yeah. Are you with on my side? Are you on my side? I'm on your team. Okay. Yeah. Because there, there are dudes who like, like, they mama's boys, but on some like, your mom be, like, in your personal business. Your mom be like, why, who she talking, like that type shit. You know what I'm saying? Like, and then you like, you know, you too, it's too, you too involved. You're way too involved. I feel. I feel. I feel. I think if the mother is. Respect your mother. Love your mother. Don't want to kiss your mother. If the mother is one of my best. How many people have you ever met that

like that. Like way too many. Not even the boys that I've dated, but like just like guys in general, like you can kind of get a sense about them. It's more the mother's fault than it is the do's because he was raised like that. Yeah. And then it's like you're high on the supply. All these women who think this one day they're going to have a son and they're going to totally realize being on the opposite side of the coin that they were wrong. That happens a lot. No, like I have a brother and my mom and my brother aren't like that. And my, they love each other. But, But maybe girls that associate with your brother think that about your brother. The thing is you know it's not anything weird because you're privy to the relationship.

But then there's probably girls that meet your brother and think that it's, that something weird's going on. No. No, I've seen it. I've seen it too much. Especially at this age, I feel like people are still learning how to live without their parents a little bit. And so they're on the side, like they just have this like, very odd relationship with their mother kind of like just like an adipus complex if it's like that or if they're rude to wait stuff if that's like an italian thing like it's not an

no no no no i'm saying like i've seen like the whole italian it's it's actually a real big problem in italy men won't move out of their mother's house because they're they're just doing a lot of domestic chores for them and i get that point you're talking like jersey jerry no no even though he may be an example um but they like I do if the mother's doing domestics of like laundry cooking for them totally agree but call like you know calling your mom making sure your mom's okay especially if it's a single hate your mother if the mom if the mom but like I'm not saying to hate your mom I think a lot of those examples are like you know I think that uh you're being judgmental people just checking into their mothers Billy there is a clear line between give an example give an example you're giving an example you did I did which there's there is. There is. There are men who I have been connected to or not connected to that will keep their mother so at the forefront of their life that if they date a girl,

like it is almost a three-way relationship where it's like the mom has to know everything that's going on in a way where it's kind of a bit over. It's intrusive, yeah. It's intrusive. Or the, I've had someone say to me, like you will never be the number one. one woman in my life like my mother will always hold that spot okay that okay that yeah i think

that's exceedingly rare i need i need like all of mackenzie no yeah i yeah i have not experienced it a lot but i see like a lot of this it's like a big thing on tic talk now yeah or girls even do it with their dads girls girls will do it with their dads where girls will post pictures of their dad from like 30 years ago and be like look at my dad and just post a thirst trap of their father That's weird. Yes. It happens on both sides of the table. That was happening a lot.

Yeah. Look how beautiful my mom is. Yes. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. I was with you.

What you're saying? The kid can't be like, yo, pops was a dog back in a day or moms was, look at my mom. She was beautiful. Like again. Yeah. See? Now you're losing me. But the thing, no, no.

Here's the thing is that like they're doing it under the guise of like just posting a picture of my dad and your dad was like, like looking looking like um freaking like Liam Hemsworth like we know what you're trying to like there's an underlying it's an underlying cause here but you I think I think you can be very because I think my mother's a beautiful woman right and I think I think if you have a good relationship with your parents right then like as a son you fall in love with your mother and you fall in love like that's what you look for in other women because that's your first

it's really your first love it's your first introduction to love right so you look for that in women as well as as was as a father that's actually what they say they say as a daughter like you fall in love with your father first and then you look for that in in right yes yeah and there's a line you draw it's the line it's going over that line like so like so my mother friends is like I list my dogs to homie like I love it at death but she is not allowed in my private life like she I draw a straight I don't I don't sometimes I'll vent to her about relationship issues whatever over the case, but like, there are times because she wants, you know, she wants to know how a baby's doing,

but I'm like, your mom, that's not, uh, uh, not there. You know what I'm saying? Like, so I draw a line. But like, if I, if I, if it's my mom's birthday or something, and I'm like, look at my beautiful. Mother, like, I'm, I'm, that's not crazy. No, that's not crazy. But again, that's what I'm saying.

There's this line. Or it's like, yeah, like when you tell, like, if he's constantly posting pictures of his mom, that's a little weird. Like every, like, you know, once a mother's day or whatever. Mother's Day, birthday. What Big T's getting at, though, is that men have been told for a long time, like, I like a guy that loves his mom, that respects his mom. And then some guys are overdoing and be like, you'll never be the number one woman. Like using that almost as like showing off to a girl.

Like, look how much I love my mom. Like, oh, you want a guy who loves his mom? I'll be a guy that loves his mom. I'll give you a thirst trap of my mom every week. Yeah, then they love it a little too hard. Yeah, then they go overboard. Yeah. Don't you dress like my mom dresses

Yeah That happens like more than I think you guys think And I'm glad I'm glad that all of you are kind of like what Because that means you're not like that I love my mom You love your mom I think appropriate amount Exactly

No but the thing is There's definitely There's definitely dudes Not too much though There's definitely dudes Who have been accused of being that Who just have a regular relationship with their mother I would feel like you're defending something

Is it you, Billy? No. I think Billy's getting pre-mad. He's getting pre-mad in case he ever. I'm not saying about you. Because he can see himself being a, he's standing up for men is what Billy's doing. Before we get to our final thoughts of the day, this conversation is brought to you new sponsor. You know what they should sponsor NFL Week 1 abs?

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Oh, you got back into eBay. I just keep. eBay. I'm just buying shit on eBay. eBay should be the name of a dating. site, but it should be B-A that's a good app out there in case anybody's looking to name their app

I got, let me log on to eBay real quick I don't know when the last time you all got on eBay was though, you can get good shit on eBay. You can get really good clothes on eBay. I look for I look for a vintage foo shirt on eBay and well all of them look dusty

so I ain't buying enough. I got a brand new Nike golf jacket the other day probably like a $100 jacket for 20 bucks. No, they have good. Does the shipping costs a lot? No, like most of them you don't even have to pay for shipping, but sometimes like five bucks. Now, Big T, are you using

eBay in the traditional like auction sense of eBay? Or you don't buy it now? No, most of it is stuff you just buy. Okay, I might have to get back on. There's good stuff on eBay. Really good vintage stuff. Yeah. Good shoes on eBay? They're competing against Amazon, right? So I assume that they have to beat Amazon at price

if they want to have customers use their service. But it's not really them. It's whoever's selling it. makes the prices. But you can get some really good Nike, like my favorite football cleat that I don't think is in production anymore, like the Nike vapor talons. Yeah. Yeah, the Nike vapor talons are just like the best,

for me, because they're like high top, but you can only get them on eBay, and you can find some really awesome cleats on eBay. I do kind of miss the thrill that you had on eBay when it was an auction and you're getting down to the last couple minutes, and then you get in a bidding war you have to decide what your price is

that's kind of fun and then sometimes you win an auction and then you're like oh shit that's way more than I actually should have paid for this but I still won you still get the thrill as if you won I might get back involved good stuff on there I'll tell you what my favorite

Nike Tee was bro it was the old TDs bro the Terrell Davis Jones yeah I don't know what they was called let me see let me look them up because I can everybody log into their eBay account and see what the last thing they bought on eBay was.

Yeah, I'm going to do that even. I don't think I ever had an account. I don't think I ever bought. I've bought anything. I bought some shoes they just shipped. Nice. They'll be here by the 15th. Oh, what kicks you get, bro?

They're just Nike running shoes. Running and golf, what you over there doing, Big T? That's, I mean, you, I look like I could go play golf right now. You've seen how I dress. That's facts. I'm wearing a polo and khaki shorts right now. The last thing I tried to buy was an Enron, vintage, Enron internship. shirt um you know what uh ball shoes i've i've actually bought three pairs of because they're they're

perfect for what you need them for so i i play a lot of outdoor pickup and i like you know my my last pair of basketball shoes that last me all through college uh bust it up their nikes so it's like i need a new shoe that isn't that nice that can just get beat up on like the outdoor courts the lou will the Lou Will the lemon pepper Lou William's signature shoes are like 30 bucks on Amazon they're by this random brand

but they're sick they do peak and they're like super cheap and they just get the job done but it's just hilarious that Lou Williams's signature shoe is this like random shoe company Best basketball shoe of all time not look

performance big team can you give me like a year no just all time across all years I don't know I know what you're talking about Kobe's the fucking Kobe's bro

that's not even no bias bro because I you know I Jordan is or whatever Kobe Bryant had the best shit like I felt bad like it was one of the thoughts that went through my head after I heard he passed I'm not even going to lie because like I was heavy

he playing pickup basketball all the time and he died in like a couple days and i was like damn they're gonna stop making cobi let's see let's see how big of a coby fan you are coby's first shoe what brand was it with and what was it called adidas bro cut the what was it called uh he had i think two or three i think it was dog shit though she was ugly as fuck i think it was it the spaceship it's crazy AIDS. Crazy eights. That's right. Then the spaceships came. You're right. Yeah. The crazy eights weren't bad. The spaceships was the worst shoe maybe. I actually kind of like the look of the crazy eights. No, that one was fire. I like the crazy eights. But the spaceships was horrible, bro. Were they called spaceships? I don't know. I'm not familiar with that one. My favorite was the penny twos.

Penny twos. Oh, the look. You're talking about just look? Just look. Just look. wise, Penny twos, or the, or the Kamikazis, the Sean Kemp ones. Those okay. Oh, wow. Yeah, these these Adidas Space Shepardine's. Probably my favorite look. Yeah, the Adidas Space

them shit is terrible. It's the worst, maybe the worst looking shoe I've ever seen in my life. What about the Steph Curry's? The Curry mids? The first Steph Curry. He even pays attention. With the, the Sour Patch Kids Colorway, good shoe. Oh, no, I'm

talking about the nurse shoes. the ones that were just white so those were those basketball shoes or just like no they were basketball shoes they looked like nurse shoes but they were definitely basketball shoes I've never seen anybody

not even kids that are fans of step Curry's like talk about Steve Curry shoes other than yeah I got the Steph Curry shoes there was a couple I there was never any bro stop it no because but Steph but I'm not banging for them but Steph

Curry was playing during my time when I was going to a lot of basketball camps and there was tons of dudes playing. That's just because people want to do where what Steph was saying. I'm saying other than people like, yeah, I got the Steph Curry. Nobody's like, hey, did you see the new, nobody says that? Nobody

said that. Them shit is ugly. I wanted the curry ones in the Sour Patch Kids Colorway because I just fucking love Sour Patch Kids and they only made them up to like a 14. I'm going to be honest. A lot of kids were talking about the new curries when they came out. A lot of kids were rocking.

But casual. Nobody would, nobody was rocking. I think it was too America's I think it was two Americas I think it was mostly true I think I think it was I think yeah you're right you may be right

yeah because you'll be wearing like bell crows on your shoes and shit you're right I think like when I was go to camps they weren't wearing them the uh the Steph Curry too is I'm looking at them again right now so funny such a that was a great day on Twitter when he dropped that that new release because everybody spent

an entire day just making fun of these shoes that's what I'm saying like what bro he hit like Under Armour had to rethink the entire designs because nigs was flaming their shoes online like nobody nobody cares about step curry shoes it's not it's not a dis on him i think he's the greatest point guard of all time i think he's dope human being love him whatever but his shoes are trashed oh i have to wait i'm looking at the old curries the curry ones tons of people were were wearing curry ones okay i didn't say people didn't wear them i know i know if stepf curry wore whatever

People are going to get him because he's the greatest point guard to live. But his shoes are trash. Nobody, no, like, you never see nobody with a fresh fit on rocking Steph Curry's. No, you know what I'm saying? Like, it's never going to infiltrate pop culture. In terms of, in terms of just sneakers between Kevin Durant and LeBron James, who's had the best shoes, the most iconic shoes. I would say KB. I would say so, too.

I would say KB. Those are always too low top for me. LeBron's never really had no good shoes either. Kind of weird. Like, how can it be the goat? I actually saw somebody tweet that. Somebody says some, oh, hey, he said, he said, until somebody gets killed for the LeBron's,

he can never be better than Jordan. LeBron's got some good ones, though. Nah, a couple pretty good shoes. Which one? So I don't know what numbered is. an old one, like single digits, but they had the, I'll try to find it. It was the one with the, they have the straps across. Yeah, no, I know exactly what you're talking about.

The whole, uh, I still have a pair of them. The whole, was it the Kentucky team wore? No. Okay, so it looks, there's several with straps, but it's what, it was, I want to, the number six is sticking out of my mind. Yeah, let me, I just don't know that if anybody walked into this room wearing a pair of LeBron shoes right now, I'd be like, those are the LeBron's. They don't stand out to me like that.

Like the LeBron Zoom. Yes. The LeBron Fours, a lot of people, a lot of people wore. Oh, the LeBron 7, so many people. Yeah, the LeBron Zoom 8 and the LeBron 7. I remember tons of people wearing. And the 9. It's not horrible.

The 7th ain't horrible. Actually. It's just, it ain't nothing. You ain't going to put them on, you know what I'm saying? With a fit to go out. You know what I'm saying? The eights are nice, the South Beach ones. Yeah, the South Beach eights.

I remember everyone trying to buy. I might just become a speakerhead. LeBron 10 was a great shoe. Yeah. I just remember people wearing them. I was never into shoes because. Yeah, I think that's a good basketball shoe for sure. I think that's a good basketball shoe.

But not iconic. No, he doesn't transcendent. He don't have one iconic shoe. Yeah, that's sad. I'm actually that's that's resounding evidence in favor of Michael actually that is actually wild

thinking one of the greatest athletes ever walk the planet with one of the greatest sports clothing or shoe apparel have never collaborated to make an iconic piece that is actually wild where I could I could name like four Jordans right off the top of my head

that I would recognize instantly one through 13 people go crazy for maybe even 14 one through 13 jordan's one through 13 are all iconic all of them my daughter matter of fact brad the last text message with my daughter well she sent me she sent me a link to the avatar game that's coming out definitely gonna play that shit my stream net but um uh look at this she sent me this is literally on Saturday she texts me she texts me uh she wants she wants the Jordan ones smart girl

yeah she wants to Jordan one the Jordan ones are nice do you what do you think how many points per game would LeBron average if you played in a pair of Jordan ones oh it will go down you think it would affect his game

truly yeah the effect of Jordan's game man foot was bleeding in 95 96 if you put Jordan in a pair of Lebrons he easily outscores LeBron and a pair of Jordans

that's a good That's a good. I like that. Yeah. Thousand percent. I agree. I agree. You know who has good basketball shoes right now that are the ones I have currently?

I don't know that they look incredible, but they're just really good basketball shoes. Yannis. Does he? His shoes are really good. What, uh, what is there a certain number? Uh, I think there's only been a couple of them, but good shoes. Jason Kidd had some, yeah, some iconic shoes too. Hey, bro.

The alien eye one? Yep. Br, fire. Oh, we're forgetting about one of the goats. One of the greatest basketball pictures of all time is when I think Jordan is defending Alan Iverson or the vice versa. Jordan's wearing the 11s and AI is wearing his questions. Dog.

That is just one of the most iconic sports photos ever taken, dog. It's just shoe-wise anyway. You know what? That shit. Unbelievable. I'm glad he brought up the questions. because that's next on my list of shoes I was not allowed to buy when I was a kid because they were too expensive I didn't either my my mother bought my shout out to my

mom I love her so much in an inappropriate way she bought my brother's sum and she we put it on layaway so it was like four months we was waiting on I was just vicariously living through my brother because we can only afford one pair and so he got him and I was like I was cool with that but I was just so happy that we had them you know what I'm saying and he got he got the he got the blue questions oh my god i have never had a pair of questions i'm going to buy them right now i'm going to buy some too did you ever let you do that where do you go ebay ebay is he said your brother ever let you wear him no hell no right now i'm going to get some right now i'm going to get some questions i used to wear i used to wear him around the house

like when he wasn't there just walk around it way too big for me crazy story my dad my dad my dad dad would always buy my sister whatever she wanted so she was playing basketball and she got cobies and uh it was at the time she's older than me that she had the same size foot as i did when we were younger and then i she they went missing and i was just rocking those cobies did she not notice well i was only playing basketball of them oh long story you motherfuckers is used bro this shit on ebay i don't maybe i'm not ebbing right that eBay app should only be for people on rebounds. Yep. I like that.

All right. We will see you guys on Thursday. You want to talk about what we're going to discuss on Thursday's episode? Yeah. So we are discussing the history of gangs, more specifically L.A. gangs, street gangs, which is really, when you look at a lot of the gangs in today's era, there are subsets of L.A. gangs. that have spread across America. So the Crips and the Blood started in South Central Los Angeles.

And so we're going to discuss the history of that. And I got a special guest who is a known Crip, but he's a very bright, talented dude. He raps. And he's a really, really good human being. So he's going to come on and discuss that witness. I'm excited about it because it's a really interesting topic, the history of it, how it started, why it started, what it is now, how it influenced pop culture, everything it's really dope going to be a dope conversation can't wait all right we'll see you guys

on thursday love you guys