Macrodosing: Arian Foster and PFT Commenter - JFK

Episode Date: November 23, 2021

On today's episode of Macrodosing, the crew winds down from their NYC trip by talking about former President John F. Kennedy. You'll hear everything from his early life and family to all the things that led up to the assassination. Also, the Tennessee Minute is BACK with Hendon Hooker and Tyler Baron, where they rate their favorite food to have on Thanksgiving. You don't want to miss it. Macrodosing is presented by DatChat.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/macrodosing

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So we're going to get into that after we do the Tennessee Minute. Here's Tyler and Hinden. All right. We welcome back our favorite guests on this show. There are only recurring guests on this show. We got him and Tyler here from the University of Tennessee The Volunteers Bowl eligible

We're going bowling boys Clap it up for the guys Can't wait It was a great experience to go out there Yeah So we're off a big win 60 to 14 against South Alabama Right off the bat

Need to ask you Was that an Aryan Foster bow That you pulled off It was a remix I just said a video to the macrodose Instagram. Look at it. Okay, we'll pull it up.

Remix it a little bit. What's the remix? Explain to me the process of remix. You gotta see it. I can give it to all. All right, Matt dogs. Mad dogs got it. Okay, we're about to take a look at it.

But congratulations, guys. Big win. Very proud of you. And now you got Vandy coming up this week. Vandy is I think you guys are like 31 point favorites against Vanderbilt

so just take care of business We don't overlook anybody though We don't overlook anybody But we do We do want to kick ass We do want to kick ass We do want to get it We prepared the same

For every team That I played for it That's not true That's not true We literally We literally prepare the same way No matter who we play Every team I ever been on

Like always is a sorry team you don't really like much study much on them. But these folks are dead ass. We're studying just hard for this game as it was bad on what it's weird. They don't. I'm being for real. No, for real.

I am too. I'm telling you, though. I'm telling you, I'm telling you what happens. They might, they might give you the Q cars and the- It was presented to us the same. Exactly. It's presented to you the same one. They spent a little more time on Georgia.

I promise you. I promise you. They probably do. Yeah, like on the front end for show. The front end for show. Don't listen to Aaron. Aaron's feeding you rat poison. right now. You don't take any of that in. You live by your maxims or whatever the hell

Big T always brings up. General Nealyn's Maxim's. General Nealins Maxim's, yeah. So we haven't had you guys on a couple weeks. Great first quarter against Georgia. Great first quarter. We were all watching. We were in the group chat. Very happy with how things we're going. Obviously, they're just like, they're, they're fucking wagging. Georgia, they're like, their defenses is insane. Did you feel like you were in it, though, after that first quarter? Because you looked like you were playing confident, Hendon.

Yeah, I blew it. I played terrible. I just didn't, like, I didn't deliver that day. It was bad. But no, we definitely should have, because we had everything clicking. It was me.

I was blown it. I think I got better than that. You're being a little too hard on yourself, I think. No, I'm telling this all the time, bro. No, I was being real with myself. I thought you were a talent, Like, you were like, yeah, I told him. It was his fault.

Told him right to his face. No, he'll be a real one. You're like, man, he played bad today, man. How big? Because what do they list? Big team, what do they list Jordan Davis at? Like, they list him at, like, 6-5, like 3.30. How big is that?

I believe he's 6-6-3-40 on the, the deputy. These three-year-been I've ever seen. These three. Yeah, like he's too large of a human being. Like, he's like 6-8, like 4-10. Did you see? I saw a video chasing. I think it was whoever they played last week,

but he was chasing a dude. He's fast. Like, I think he runs a 4-8. Hey. He deserved to be the number one over a page. How do you know he runs a 4-8 and he ain't run a 40-yet? That's just what I read.

I'm not, don't quote me on that. Let me find this. I don't like, who it's fast, but 4-8, that's OD. 4-8 thing, that's almost insane.

But I think Big T just like he knows fans that show up at practice and they like stand. 400 yards away with binoculars and a stopwatch, just like time and people. And then they run to the message boards and list. Let me send you guys this video. This is terrifying.

Can we pull up the video of the bow? Can we watch that? I'd like to take a look and so we can we can check out the remix of the bow here. Okay. Hey Maddie, do you got my email? My son. Hey, here it is.

What that shit is right now. don't tell me your email like live right now just is your uh text not working well she has it oh oh i know what you're i have your don't okay babe yeah she was going to say that email that would have to be out of these

i don't like it i like it that's that's a good handshake y'all they mess with it i love it yeah that's perfect i haven't said hold on she about to email me hold on um it hended i was actually going to ask you as a transfer, I was talking to a guy that got traded from the Nationals to the Dodgers this year. And it seems to me like one of the big issues of switching a team is, especially if it's like a college football team with all these players or a baseball team, which has a ridiculous amount of guys on the roster, is learning all the new handshakes for your new teammates. How long do that take you?

Or did you have to, like, create a new handshake with every person that you met? Yeah, pretty much had to create a new handshake with everyone I met. how does that go is it just like based off your vibe with the guy or do you have like somebody they might make it up and be like man i want to do the shake with you like all right cool or uh you ever have somebody like hey yo let's do the shake and you like yeah for sure definitely hit me not feeling it not feeling it in a way yeah are you ever accidentally like try to do the wrong handshake with somebody and then you fuck it up out yeah i have i've done a lot of wrong shakes with the wrong guys yeah i feel like

if you just if you're confident enough you can pull it off you can make them think that they're wrong halfway through like no I'm doing it right they know they know

they'll be like what you doing bro big T do you have any questions for them about their he was projecting which bowl game you might be going to

actually we were just having some discussion we were talking Nashville Charlotte Jacksonville here's my goal

because I know we talked and y'all said we'd all go to the bowl game if we beat Georgia and that didn't happen what I'm hoping

is the Gator Bowl gets real infatuated with Tennessee fans coming down, spending a lot of money. If we go to the beach, who's in? Who wants to go to Jacksonville? New Year's. When would have been New Year's? Well, it's not New Year's Day. It's like, I think it may be New Year's Eve or the day before that. Can we expense it? I might be, I might be deep off his cheeks New Year's Eve, though. Hang on, let me, a couple years ago was it was a few days after. Let me see. You're going to sell me on somewhere nice with than Jacksonville. Well, I thought

the beach might have touched. What about Nashville? Great city. That's home. But I have a damn sure. It's not like a building for out of towners like Nashville's cool if you like Tennessee. Nashville is cool if you don't know, man.

Like if you ain't from Nashville. Yeah, if you're going on like a bachelorette party, like Nashville's where it's at. It is, uh, the Gator Bowl is New Year's Eve at 11 a. Listen, that sounds like a great time to me. Great rest of our day. Yeah, I'm straight, man.

I'm really happy for you out of these, though, man. I mean, 11 a.m. is that's too early for football. I don't know how they do it on the West Coast when, you know, you wake up and it's like 10 a.m. football's already starting. I like a nice afternoon kickoff, maybe an evening one. But yeah, if it comes down to Nashville, Jacksonville, or Charlotte, if you had to pick one of those three, which city would you rather go? go to? Charlotte or Jacksonville? Yeah, Charlotte or Jacksonville, for sure.

Jacksonville. Probably, yeah. Over Charlotte. Yeah, I feel like Jacksonville, given the choice among those three, that's in Florida. Like, yeah, I definitely would want to go to Florida because I stayed in Charlotte, the whole quarantine, so I'm not trying to go back to Charlotte right now. Yeah.

Are you a, are you a Panthers fan? No, not a Panthers fan. Who did you grow up, Ruth? for? No one. Really, I just like different players on a different team. Are you saying this because like

the drafts in your future and it's like no way, this is forever this is forever been my, like, I've never liked any teams. Who do I get drafted to get my favorite team? For real. No, they won't. Was that a 2020

NFL draft declaration on macrodozing? No, no start that. trust me i don't want i don't want that area i don't want that area's the one that wants you to go i want you to come back but no don't come back would have been great to have that on the show don't come back if and when you do decide can we have that exclusive uh yeah yeah just just just don't come back don't even worry about it and then ain't for you left and max but don't i would love to see you as a member of the washington football team personally i think that would be a good fit because you play quarterback and I think we need a quarterback. So that's

made heaven. You don't missal Heineke? No, I love Heineke actually. So I go back and forth with Hanke. I think it's a little bit unfair to him because he was an undrafted guy. He didn't get a shake for, you know, four years, really, five years until somebody gave him an opportunity. And so he has a lot of that like young guy. He makes a lot of mistakes, but he also has a lot of playmaking ability where he can be super exciting to watch. But he gets judged based on being an undrafted guy. So when he makes a mistake, everybody just thinks, oh, that's why he's not drafted.

You know, like that's what everybody saw with him. Whereas if he was picked in like the second or third round, I think people would look at the good plays that he makes and be like, yeah, we can build around this guy for the future. So I go back and forth, you know? Like in D.C., it's a sliding scale of quarterbacks because besides, you know, a season of Robert Griffin, we haven't had a lot to cheer for at that position.

for the last, oh, 30 years. So it's tough. I thought Donna McNabb had a nice little run over there. No, no. He beat the Eagles. You're misremembering. Aaron, Don McNabb got so fat in D.C. He got benched for Rex Grossman.

That's right. Yeah. And Mike Shanahan was doing everything that he could to not call McNabb fat, but also call him fat. He was like, he needs better cardiovascular endurance to play quarterback here. are you guys going to like retire kirk cousin's number like it's pretty bleak over there yeah that's about it kirk like that that one you like that game was probably the non-rg3 highlight that i've had to root for on what about uh what about what about jason campbell man jason campbell he wasn't bad he wasn't bad quarterback but he was always like a wait for next

year he's going to be he's going to take that next step next year and then he didn't do a whole lot you know what i actually remember i maybe you guys can tell me because i'm just speaking from fan perspective on this. But you can remember moments in an athlete's career where they just lose their confidence and they never get it back. And there was a big moment in Jason Campbell's career. It was actually his first pass that he threw. First of all, actually, the fact that Joe Gibbs kept him behind Mark Brunel, who was playing on half a hip and one ankle for, you know, two years. I feel like he had to be on the bench just being like, you got to be kidding me. I'm not better than this guy that's out there. But then his first pass in the NFL, he threw like a 60-yard bomb to Brandon

Lloyd, who had like a step in half on the defender, and it went through his arms. And you could just see in that moment him get so dejected. And he just stopped throwing the ball deep after it. He didn't want to take any chances after that. So it became like a checkdown guy. I don't know if there's like a play that you guys remember where it has like affected, maybe it's affected your play in like a positive way where you make one play. And then you're like, you know what? I can do it. I can play at this level. Yeah, I'll go, I'll go, I'll go my, my play that changed my life was my sophomore year, we was playing Penn State in the Outback Bowl.

I fumbled. And for whatever reason, Tennessee fans, that's all they remember me for. But that play, dog, it was just etched in my memory because it was just, the press was so on my bumper about everything. and it just changed my entire life from my perspective on how I worked. Like, I went into overdrive after that shit. It should change my life.

So it was a bad play. It was a negative play. Bad play changed my life. So you'd like to thank the media for doing their job. And who, no, fuck them, niggas. No, fuck them. Fuck all them, niggas.

Fuck all them niggas. Y'all have a play, like, where it's like either boosts your confidence or ruins your confidence. Because I have many stories about cats, where I've seen the play happen and, yo, they had just, never recovered. I'd probably say my first touchdown run,

the rest of a freshman, first carry, first college carry, ticket 69 for a teddy. They really they really told me like, yeah, young, you're supposed to be here. Because at that time, I'm like, I'm thorough on a depth chart. So like, it ain't looking bright. But then I made a couple plays and turned me up. That's the beautiful thing about sports, in my opinion. It's like it really encapsulates momentum. And it's like directly transferable like shit that happens in life.

Like one thing can happen that can send your life in a whole other direction. Same with the game or entire career. Sure. Okay. If I would say it about me, it was our first game last year. We played South Carolina. I didn't play like the whole game. And then like the third quarter I got in and I had a tackle for loss

my first play in the same shit that should just kind of turn me up to be honest and then it seems easier after you make a play like that I'm sure where like because you believe in yourself you move more confidently you're able to to like tap and you stop thinking so much about it sometimes I would imagine and you just kind of you trust yourself and you let it go I'm just speaking from my experience as a guy who dunked one time and then that was that was a life-changing moment for me You never ducked. You never done. One head to him.

Send him the clip of me getting rim from last year. Yeah. It was a 9-5 rim at best. All right. Even if it was a 9-foot-5 rim as a person who's 5-foot-8, that's still pretty impressive, right? Not. No.

No, yeah, though. I know some 5, 6, 5-7s, they can do some good. Are they the same color with him? I know some I know some I actually do have the battle All right Well he was in like

7 grade He was like 510 He was dunking that ball I'm glad you brought that up Because you guys have An awesome basketball player right now Is he a freshman Big T Freshman 18 years old

So his name is Zichai Ziegler Zichler You guys know him? I don't know him personally But dude is a bucket He is a bucket He's like 5 foot 7-58

Right And he's just He dominated UNC the other day You're like 23. Get him boys get buckets. He can dunk, by the way. I saw him dunk in warm-ups. Good, yeah.

I think he should be our Tennessee macro-dosing athlete for basketball. I think for sure. That dude can play. He's a short king. He's cold. Yeah. Billy, you have any questions for these guys?

You have anything you want to dig into him with? Who did you guys think killed JFK? Good question, Billy. It was an inside job. Not it was. No. Inside job. There are a lot of suspects out there.

We're going to get to the bottom of it on today's show. But, I mean, I think one thing that we can almost all agree on as Americans is that we don't believe that it was just one guy acting alone, right? It's like 90% of America doesn't buy that shit. You can't pull something off like that by yourself. For sure. Okay. So it had to be inside job. My man, I get that done.

Get on the present. yeah and then what happened after the fact where jack ruby shot the guy that shot the president like a day after almost you don't just do that because you're mad you do that because you need to tie up some loose ends yeah yeah agreed we knew the person they get him definitely mm-hmm uh big t have any Tennessee related questions I think we about covered it okay beat beat vandy this weekend y'all be sure yeah van die Andy is, they're that one team where I feel like every conference has a team like that. In the Big 12, it's Kansas, where if you lose to that team, then you don't want to lose them

just because of the jokes that are going to get thrown your way for the next year, right? I know you're not overlooking, Vandy, but. This isn't a question. It's more of a comment. Their fans are uniquely awful in that, like, Florida fans, Kentucky fans, Georgia fans, they're all relatively the same. they act similarly. Vanderbilt fans are a unique type of horrible because they don't care when they lose. So when you beat them, they're like, oh, who gives a shit?

You're a 31-point favorite like you're supposed to win. And then when you lose one out of every 12 times to them, they put on Christmas cards. And it's the Super Bowl. And it makes me want to jump off a bridge. You know what, I like that. Because they're the worst. Because of James Franklin. That's also true.

Yeah. They're still living in 2012 when they're not. went 7 to 5 once. Tennessee lost the oven. Yeah. They're still feeling the James Franklin era and then beyond that it's like, well, there was the Jay Cutler era.

That was another 10 years before that. Well, and then they did get us a couple times fairly recently, but those coaches don't count. So just don't let it happen again, please. So I trust y'all. I want to check in real quick on the

pulse of the fan base because I Obviously, Big T, we try to teach him the right things to do as a fan. You know, if you're attending Tennessee Volunteers games, he had some questions a couple weeks ago, like, should I throw mustard onto the field? Or should I throw tennis balls and golf balls on the field? We told him, no, do not do that. How has the behavior been at the stadium the last couple weeks? It's been good.

Controlled rowdiness. I would have been pissed to as a fan. Yeah, they're like, passing for the team in the game. They'd be acting how they post that? I have full confidence if some stuff like that happen again, they'll throw trash again,

so we're good. Okay, it sounds like this is... Until they get the... Until that shit hits you, I bet you feel a little different. Until the game, yeah, until they say... Yeah, until they're on my side,

then I'm going to be hot. No, until they say we're not continue, it depends on stop. Yeah, yeah, that was too far. When they said they was going to cancel our games... Cancel the game? And we was in the game,

we had the game with a driver. So they was going to kill the game, but that would have clicked all that. Yeah. Does it affect you as a defensive player, Tyler, if the fans are being really, really loud because you always hear about, you know, you're not able to get the play call in in time.

You can't hear each other in the huddle on offense. But on defense, is there something, like it's got to be harder for you to communicate too, it sometimes, right? No, not necessarily. We don't really even say too much. Everything is my hand. So I like that shit.

When it's like super loud, that shit turn me up. Okay. I like it. Get loud. Aaron, do you got anything else for the guys? no man continue to uh ball out do you things i'm rooting for everybody black yes sir all right love it thank you erin beautifully we'll be in contact you said what we'll be in contact hi laud me sir and i'm a dm you uh i'm gonna give you uh hawk my address

what's up all right my g y y y'all be easy doubt Billy has a Did you guys see this video of Jordan Davis chasing down a dude? Did he ever get to you, Hendon? No. Did you ever see him running at you? No.

He ran out that fast, buddy. Calm down, man. Hinden's faster. He's fast for his size. He's big. He's fast to be that big. But they get quick to be that massive. Yeah, he's not like.

It's not like, damn, this can really run. is like you've been all right it's like Vince Wilfork when Vince Wilfork used to get a little bit he was terrified man I mean I mean I mean let's just not throw around like Hall of Fame Namers to him guys and Kyle him's that's wrong job I want to hear what he's opposed to be doing but he's not you see what I play I play with Vince man man I'll calm down did he ever make you food yeah actually he cooked for us He's a good cook, right? Goes down.

I just love it when he says the word ribs. It makes me hungry. He just goes, ribs. Like, real low. It's great. It's great. It'll make you hungry if you watch it. All right, well, you guys have a happy Thanksgiving.

Are you able to, like, get away, be with family at all this week? Yeah, family coming up. Yeah, family coming up. Okay, real quick, give me a power ranking of the best side dishes at Thanksgiving. I ain't a lot. It's three of them that can't be one, two, and three. Come on now. I'm here.

Yams. Yes, sir. Collard greens. Dressing. Yams dressing. And the grins, yeah. And the mac and cheese. You got a, you got a, you got a, you got a D2 school in the top three.

Oh. Dressing? What? He is, oh, dressing? Definitely supposed to be. What's a mac and cheese? You're supposed to be mat and cheese. Yes.

You don't eat, you don't eat. I'll take cheese, mac and cheese. I know, but I'm saying, that's the general, though. I don't eat it, but I'm saying, that's the general. Oh, I was going up. I'm a nigga. No, no, no, dude.

Mac and cheese. Dressing's like bottom tier shit, bro. Oh, no. All right. Fuck you. You got to be in a plate. Where are you from? Bro, huh?

What are you from? I grew up in Albuquerque, New Mexico, high school in San Diego. He took real soul food out there, bro. What do you cook real soul food? Where are you from? I'm from Banshville. Niggia, y'all's listening to fucking Dolly Parton at Thanksgiving.

Shut up. That sounds like a lovely time, Aaron. Yeah, that's, how do you have it because Dolly Parton? No, she's actually, I love Dolly Parton. But, nigga, why do you listen is like one of the worst fucking. Maybe you're running soul food out there. Aaron, you're wrong. I, I, I, how about, how about I call my mama and you tell us she don't cook salt food,

nigga? I don't respect. How about that? You're not going to do that. I appreciate that. You call my sister and tell her she don't cook soul food, nigger.

Hey, I'm going to need a picture of it. I'm going to need a picture. How about this? I'll DM you picture of my Thanksgiving plate and you give me a picture your dry-ass plate. I'm probably going to be a job. We know what we're doing.

Well, hold on. Where are you going for Thanksgiving? We used to have a chatelin, a chaplain. We used to go to his house or like we used to hop around. Where are going?

I'm going to my quarterback coach house. But my mama coming up here to cook, so I'm staying with them on priority. I need a plate. I need a plate. I'm going to see the plate. I'm going to say your plate, yeah, for sure. Yeah. I love to see your plate for sure. Yeah, I have a whole plate full of dressing, dry-ass, nigger, croutons. They didn't even dressing. You don't know shit about dressing, Aaron. Hey, Eric, correct. The fact that you don't like dressing tells me that your dressing is not good.

I would agree. Dressing is the bottom tier of Thanksgiving. You know what is? You know what is? I'll put it right. above turkey because turkey fucking sucks that's like what I mean about it. No. You don't eat the cranberries? You're one of them.

You don't. You don't eat cranberry sauce? No, he said there with the turkey, like I don't eat with a turkey. Oh. Yeah, I mean, yeah. I think as a national, it just as a country, we need to come together and decommissioned

turkey as a Thanksgiving meat and put brisket. I nominate. I nominate brisket over turkey I never really ate brisket like it Brisket is the think about it how much turkey do you eat besides Thanksgiving you don't really eat turkey because it's not that good turkey bro you'll never reheat turkey

I think you guys need to have deep fried turkey because that changed my life now I want to eat turkey for every meal because it's that good it's just it just makes it a better meat you would like that even more than chicken honeybag ham yeah chicken is definitely over turkey for me at Thanksgiving. I'm telling you guys, if you have deep fried turkey, it'll change the way that you approach the entire holiday. I could deep fry this shirt and it would be delicious. Like,

that has nothing to do with the turkey. That shirt? This, yes, specifically this one. Probably better to eat than to wear. No. You wear worse shit than this day. Yeah, true. That's a fact. Of all the people to jerk me about a shirt, you were not the one. I know, I know. No, but deep fried turkey, you change your life. Dressing, that's a bad take, Aaron. And if anybody who's not from the South is listening um that's stuffing we're talking about stuffing like cornbread stuffing or whatever you make it with like sausage you put some like a shitload of butter in it you drizzle it with a little bit of gravy it's amazing sage you got a lot of sage leaf in there send me your plate too i want to see a picture of your plate i'll send you a picture my my world famous mayo

mac yeah you don't mate no it's it's what i'm not you don't put mayonnaise in the mac cheese, though. No, you know you don't. You're not trying that'll be, fam. That's illegal, huh? My granite is dead. That's a leave Thanksgiving. That's illegal.

Every year I do a fake macaroni and cheese recipe, and I put it on Twitter just to piss people off. And it's just like, I just boil macaroni, and then I take a big-ass thing of mayonnaise, and then I act like I'm going to cover it in there and put it in the oven, and people get heated at me for what I'm doing to my macaroni and cheese. That shit is sacrilegious. No, it is. It would be.

But I make good macaroni and cheese. I love Thanksgiving for my food. favorite holiday turkey is essential thanksgiving though if you cook it right favorite holiday i think thanksgiving's my favorite holiday because you just you hang out with your family you eat a lot of good food that's all of the holidays you do that so far you've described all the holidays no but thanksgiving's more about like family like good things it's about it's about genocide it's about that all it's definitely about genocide it's about eating of course you don't talk about what thanksgiving is with your family no

We talk about what we're thankful for. It's crazy. Like the history is kind of irrelevant. The history is irrelevant? I'm not getting into this conversation. I would not go to say it's irrelevant, but we don't. No, it's irrelevant at the actual holiday. During the holiday, like when you're talking about it.

Okay, you're not wrong about that. Yeah, we don't sit down at our table and like, here's some mashed potatoes. Oh, by the way, would you know about smallpox? Like, that's not. The run up, the run up. I would be totally down if we'd change the run-up, like how it's taught in schools and whatever. But when I'm sitting at the table with my family, I'm not talking about like. I know.

I know, I know, Bill, it's just a joke. I was just fucking what you built. And also really underrated part of our Thanksgiving is there's football on TV while you're eating this big meal. So, give me Christmas. Christmas, the best out of day, though. Christmas blobs out Thanksgiving in a way that I don't even know what to compare it to. That's how much of a blood bath it is. Like, it's not even.

comparison but Thanksgiving is the half-time show between like like Halloween's the first border of holidays season don't compare Halloween to Thanksgiving people's Halloween's way better than Thanksgiving isn't like yeah if you're four no Halloween's so much better it's got a better it's got better Halloween bro Halloween might be the weakest holiday no care oh shit thanks I say Valentine's Day Valentine's Day I'm awesome a bad take that's a bad day Valentine's Day some of the best who years was Valentine's Day getting that left from that look. You feel me?

That was it. New Year's Eve, sneaky is the worst holiday. Christmas has too many stuff to do. Like, you have too many commitments on Christmas. People start celebrating Christmas before Thanksgiving. That's how much better Christmas is. Yeah,

because Christmas is a marketable holiday where people are just trying to get money at Thanksgiving is still pure where it's like, sit down with your fan. Thanksgiving is all holidays. All holidays are marketable, though. All in.

The only one is. Big turkey. Big turkey is the only... Well, and people use Thanksgiving for Black Friday. Boom, roasted. That's true. Shop the Black Friday sale on Barclaysville. I don't...

You'll never catch me lining up after eating a meal with my family outside of Best Buy and 30 degree weather. The whole thing is, is that Black Friday, like, traditionally as we view it, like, really just doesn't happen like that anymore, I feel like. I feel like everything's, like, Cyber Monday now. Good. Can you imagine, like, if you're an employee at, like, Best Buy or... I feel like Best Buy is the classic, like everyone else to Walmart.

You have to go in to work at like 4.30 in the afternoon on Thanksgiving to let people rush through your doors and shove each other on the ground for a DVD player. No one's saying it's a good thing. I feel bad for people that have to work on Thanksgiving for that. But yeah, Thanksgiving is a great holiday. I don't appreciate all the slander behind it because there's nothing better than sitting down with the people that you love, having a big meal. They'd be getting a little wine drunk early in the day and watching the Lions lose. I feel like also that thanks. Christmas has the same, at least in my family, the same menu as Thanksgiving,

but then you also can just get presents. So, like, that's a added bonus. But also there's, like, there's a lot more commitments, like, going to, like, different places. But you do that at Thanksgiving. What, what are your commitments on Christmas? Like, going to church, like, going to midnight mass. You do not have to go to church. Billy does.

Well, Billy's going to heaven, guys. Billy, you're a Scientologist, snigger? I feel like, I feel like God looks down. he takes notes of the people that he hasn't seen any year on Christmas when they show back up it's like pay your dude

it's like where were you your other Christmas and Easter don't you? Yeah no 100% they just they just they just they drop out because of God aside

Thanksgiving Thanksgiving's just Fourth of July with worst food you're an idiot you're an idiot worse food than the 4th of July The Fourth of July is just burnt Are you kidding me?

Fourth of July is way better food That's your Fourth of July Real Fourth of July has much better barbecue Like it's a barbecue dog You're talking about them hot dogs You get at Costco and shit No fam like we're throwing down on You can't compare

Outdoor holidays and indoor holidays What are you talking about What we're comparing holidays? You put all these other shit on it Those are out like if you wanted to compare Outdoor holidays versus indoor holiday What's you talking about? That's a northeast

That's a Northeast coastal take of you, Billy Memorial Day. You can bear Memorial Day of July 4th. You're talking about D2 holidays. Not making the schedule. He has a point, though. He does. Indoor versus outdoor, right?

No. I think like Easter. Who does it Easter 8-Hunting time? A lot of people. A lot of people. No, hell, no. That's weird. What do you mean?

What do you mean? No one. If it's raining outside. I ain't never handle Easter word. That's a bad take. I know, because you have it, my nigga. Easter's another one. There's a lot of commitments.

It's like Thanksgiving. What commitment? I don't know. Billy, Billy, there's no commitments on any holiday, dog. That's literally what a holiday is for, so that you chill. You're making the commitment.

I think Thanksgiving, like there's, you start eating at like two o'clock and then you're actually just chilling for the rest of the day. I don't know. I don't have Thanksgiving when we ate it like nine. That's how you should. That's how you should do all holidays, though. It'll make your life easier.

yeah true I think they I mean all day yeah this is a food ever like one maybe before that wait when do you

when do you guys start your Thanksgiving meals you start snacks early yeah you start snacks around like 11 or noon but you don't sit down

until I don't know like 3 3 3 2 3 yeah 2 3 4 yeah 2 3 4 because you prepare it even the day before like they prepared a size yeah

does you always start you 8 a.m. Is someone saying nine? If you got 8 at 9. Who said 9 p.m.? Oh, who said 9 p.m.?

That's too late. I've had it at 9 p.m. one time before. That's procrastination. Somebody fucked up. They dropped the ball. They got to sound the oven on there. Yeah, something happened right there. Let me get one more ranking from you guys.

What about pie? Where do we stand on the... Just like a pie. This is a... Appet potato pie. Is their mother-s potato pie? Yeah, this is a cultural... thing here. What about

pumpkin pie? Do we like pumpkin pie or no? That's, it's... No one's matching the best pie yet. I'm going to say it's a fake sweet potato pie. Pumpkin pie is a fake sweet potato pie. It's tolerable, but it's not sweet potato pie. It's edible, but it's definitely not sweet potato pie. You guys have nut out? Like, where's the pecan pie?

I mean, that's not the best one, but I'll take a slice, though. They definitely, definitely go crazy. I like sweet potato. Sweet potato reigns supreme and then probably apple. I go apple. Terry funny, crazy, though. Oh, yeah, a piece of cobblers.

Top-tier dish. Waze. Top-tier dish. Cobler's good. I like pecan pie. The problem is, if I'm having pecan pie, I have to have ice cream on it. Because it can get, it can get like a little sticky sometimes. That's a problem?

No, I'm just saying I prefer that. I have to add more delicious treats to my pie. It's like Billy talking about commitments. You're committed to the ice cream. sweet potato pie with a little bit of whipped cream on it is i think it might be the goat pie and i take pie over cake i don't have a place they got pie up here for them hold on i don't got i know where my mom coming up this uh carrot carrot cake can actually compete with a lot of pies so garri cake yeah is calm is caramel cake better than carrot cake i've never had caramel cake

i've never had caramel cake either what is that oh it might be supposed to like my granny made Carmel cake, crazy. OD is five. I've heard of it. Yo, this is actually generational questions. You're all young. I was actually talking to some, like, 20-year-old that came over to the house.

She was the cousin of somebody else that was here. And she was like, yo, young cats don't be playing spades like that. I was like, there's no way. We play spades. Thank you. Thank you. I'm going to clip this instead of still

because, like, dog, you bugging. She's like, watch, all ask you all my friends. It's like, all your friends are lame. I was like, it's a writer. I was like, it's a right of passage. Like, there's no way to drop the ball in this generation. I refuse to believe it. I'm thank you so much.

I'm happy. I could die. Happy, man. Teach your kid. Youngings, teach your kids play spades, man. It is a writer passage. Jesus Christ. All right.

Thank you. What about talking? Y'all be talking? Yeah, talk. Come on. Yeah, you'll be talking with the pilgrim. Yeah, you'll be talking with the pilgrim. Nah.

Hey, hey, clip that out, clip that out, clip that out. We play the space, though, just about every week, though. Good, good, all right, man. Yeah, we even get on the game systems here recently. Got you, got you. Shit. All right, man. All right, so.

Thanks for coming on, guys. And thanks for helping to educate Arian about how his dressing sucks. Dresses trash. I'm at a picture of all y'all plates, please. thank you very much I'll show you by me and then and then take a picture all right bye guys

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that's B-E-T-E-R-H-E-L-P dot com slash dose You're an idiot for the dressing take You really are Yeah, I hear you, man You're an idiot for Thanksgiving's the best holiday take Yeah, that's wild Thanksgiving is the best holiday I got plenty for both of you

I said this shit's free dog No limit on how many people are calling it This isn't a new thing either Like Thanksgiving Like it's a place placeholder. Like, it's the middle of the good holidays. I use it solely as a line of demarcation for when I can start listening to Christmas music. 100%. I'm talking about people, people are already listening.

Mariah Carey's, uh, all I want for Christmas is you, I bet is starting to climb the charts again. Oh, every, already. Every, every midnight, November 1st, she tweet, she has a video ready to go and it reenters top 100. Every year. And it is unquestionably the best Christmas song of all time. Don't care what. It is amazing. I once. It's not even close. It's not even close.

We played it to end my wedding in July and the place went up. It was incredible. There's no fire. You disagree with that take pick. Do you think you jingle bells fan? Well, my personal favorite, I'm not saying my personal favorite is the best of all time because I know a lot of people probably don't even know it, but it's Christmas and Dixie. That's my favorite Christmas song. No.

No. I think the best Christmas song, that's certainly. up there. I'd have to go, let me five minutes. Come on. Go look through my... Five minutes. I got to look through my Christmas playlist. I love it. I love it. Big T. All right. Fair. I recant my

five minutes. I think Felice Navidad might even be a better one than Mariah. Top two. I got top. I got three. I got three, right? Okay. Matter of fact, hold on. My top three is all I want Christmas is you, right? I think I think Felice Navidad is a better song. Yeah. But, but, but

it has the most appeal. Like, all I want for Christmas is just universally beloved. Yeah, it's just universally loved. Like, I'm with you, Billy. Like, just choreographed, uh, schematically. Police Navidad is amazing. All the things I like about Christmas are like more Thanksgiving things, whereas like the super commercialized like Mariah Carey playing in like the mall I'm just like not as much about.

What about, do you think that you would, you would be able to recognize a Christmas song if the lyrics. Like, is there something specific about Christmas songs with the tonality and, like, how they're written, the bells? Bells, they're very heavy on bells. Bells. Bells. Oh, I think that's the defining factor. So give it my top three. Go ahead.

Go ahead. Shakers, yeah. Shakers, the Glock and spiel sometimes. I don't know. The glockenspiel. Yeah. It's like, um. The like xylophone.

The metal xylophone. Yeah. Yeah. What song is a glock and spiel in? Give me like an example of it. Like bells. Uh, what? Slay bells ring.

Oh, you. Walking in a winter one of this is the what's the what's the song they've turned into like a hard rock song to sell lexas I know you know what I'm talking oh they do silver uh is it silver balls a da da da da da da da da da da da da it's like trans siberian orchestra right yeah they definitely there's a there's a version that is fire that there's a lot of different versions of that but here's my top three uh all i want for christmas is you Felice Never Die and then This Christmas by Donnie Hathaway This Christmas by Donnie Hathaway It's just gorgeous though Just gorgeous And then

I don't know if y'all notice But Players Ball by Outcast Is a Christmas song It sure is So it's a great Yes it's no it was made Okay so the backstory behind this It's fucking it's dope

So Outcast before Outcast was Outcast Right they were on What label was it? Was it Def Jam? I don't know, they were all deaf. Might have been social deaf. I don't remember. But they were, they were, no, but they were on a label where L.A. Reed was the, the, the, the CEO or whatever.

And, and they hadn't released anything yet. And they were like, okay, y'all's first release is going to be on this, the label's Christmas album. And they were like, what the fuck? I was like, no, we outcast in our first, we have to, we have to do a Christmas song. And so, like, they were just sitting around and they were kicking. I was like, you know what? Fuck it. We're going to do us.

And they made players ball. With Sleepy Brown on the hook, they said, Oh, the players play from far away, where an afrozen braids and then gangsters rock. That's a Christmas song. Amazing. It's amazing. So it's all my Christmas.

If we got any Chipmucks fans in the house right now, Alvin' Chipmucks, Christmas music? No. We went from players bar to Christmas. I just gave you an amazing backstory. You're like, cool. Have you heard the Chipmucks say the shit? I also like, I like Dolly Parton, Hard Candy Christmas,

and I like Chuck Barry, Run, Run, Rudolph. Oh, you know what? That one's not on my plate. I'm putting on a ringer. I have my answer for the best. Grandma got run over by a reindeer. That's so lame. Yeah.

As much as I would like to say the best Christmas song is all I want for Christmas is a real good band by Kenny Chesney. It's Oh, Holy Night. That's the best Christmas. Oh. Okay. It's not. I like drummer boy.

Yeah. Another great one. Bing Crosby. Perumpa Pompa Pompon Pum. Anything Bing Crosby is really good. Separate the, the artist. from the man right well right with Bing Crosby do I don't know anything about him

oh it's a he was a man in the 1930s I think that was enough he was he was but he was bad for his time period as well okay he do the who's the original's uh the the song about white christian no the um the one an elf the baby it's cold outside yeah who was no no originally don't matter

Ray Charles did the best. Yeah, but now that's, that's likely true. I haven't heard his version, but. Bing, I think there's a Bing Crosby version of it. Probably. Here's, did you all see the new, um, Dean Martin? Oh, yeah.

They're all the same guy. It's the, it's a new movie on Netflix. I forget what's the, what the dude, the Asian dude, catfishes, the white lady, but they end up falling. Yeah. I might have spoiled it. Oops. But anyway, um, uh, on, in that, like, because,

the song maybe it's cold outside it's really rapy. It's like it's really rapy. Like it's like she's like trying to leave and he's like nah just come stay inside it's really rapey. So like she didn't want to sing it and so he's like just you do you do your part I'll make it less

rapy. He says that and then their version of it, fire dog. What is that movie called? Oh I did see the clip you're talking about. I forget I didn't I don't know the name of the movie but I did see that. It's called Love Hard on Netflix. Fire. Fire local cool little Christmas movie. Nice little rom-com if you're into that shit i love rom-com i will watch it on black friday as i spend that day preparing nothing but christmas music and films i just love that big t has a playlist ready to go bro it's i do too it's been sitting here for a year just waiting to be brought back we we next

one of these next episodes we might need to have uh jeff de loke come in and explain to arian his uh christmas movie viewing uh habits it's insane right genuinely like he i don't want to spoil it but yeah He's our movie guy here, and his Christmas watching, movie watching tradition is the most, single most insane thing I've ever seen. Well, he's a creature of habit about a lot of things. Big time. It does not shock me to know, because I don't know the exact extent of it, but I can only imagine what Jeffty Lowe brings to it. There's another good song, Oi to the World, by no doubt. That's a good Christmas song, too, if you're into ska music around Christmas time, as many of us are.

What about So is it war is over John Lennon So this is Christmas So this is crying Do they know it's Christmas Yeah No no no

No it's The Oh sure Feed the world Oh yeah yeah Let them know It's Christmas time Yeah

No wait wait It's John Lennon You're thinking of a different song Billy Yeah Yeah Happy Xmas War is over

No yeah I feel like it's been a long time since we've had a real super group of celebrities get together and sing a song for imagine no they did for good point yeah yeah what they stopped COVID they stopped go after like a week yeah what was that shit was horrible I think those days are over actually there's too much people's going to joke on people too much like it's just them days is over they're gone The funniest The funniest shit Was the Michael Jackson

Joe, I think it was Hill the World Maybe one of them, I don't know But I think it was like I don't know who was singing Maybe Stevie Nix or something like that But she was hitting the note And you'd pan to Michael Jackson And he's like, they are fucking this stuff

His face is so funny dog Oh my God, it's hilarious Okay, I'm going to execute a cursed Google search But I'm hoping it's going to come up with something I'm just going to Google and see what happens kid rock christmas song why would you do that and see what we got oh kid rock came out with a

big tea you fucking with his new song you fuck with a new song big tea what is it I don't know I saw oh you'll love it we got love he's talking talking about the snowflakes you'll love it oh really I'll check it out dude it's actually a hilarious song it's pretty trash we're gonna check this out at the same time this is kid

rock's Frosty the Blow Man oh my God all right let's see what you got for us kid Okay, so we came up of a little rendition of one of our favorite Christmas carols. This is called Frosty the Blow Man. Ready? Frosty the Blow Man was a jolly happy soul with two bloodshot eyes and a bloody nose

and two teeth made out of gold Frosty the glowman Roll the seven dews Cadillac He could chop an eight ball And suit it up In less than 38 seconds flat But there must have been

All crystal meth In that last line that he did Because Frosty Robb the convenience store went home Okay And then he cuts out there Probably mercifully Good job, Kid Rock

Thank you, Kid. Thanks, Mr. Kid. Yeah, I'm cool off Mr. Rock. I do kind of just love that you always know what you're going to get with Kid Rock, though. My dad got a fake tramp stamp at his concert one time. That's very cool. Shout out, Mr. Maddow. Yeah.

Did I ever tell you guys about when I went to go see Kid Rock perform back in 2016? So I was covering the election. And I went to go see Kid Rock perform at the 2016, like, R&C thing. And Kid Rock gets out on stage, and he starts singing American Badass. And at the start of American Badass, it just cuts to the Twin Towers collapsing. And it's got Kid Rock's face in the flames of the Twin Towers just screaming at you as they're falling down. Like people running away from his, he became one of the Twin Towers. and then he like kicks a door open, comes down on stage,

starts singing American badass. I was genuinely confused. I had no idea what was going on, but people seem to like it. What's not to like about that? I mean, there's probably a lot of things. I didn't know where to start. That's what I think what the issue was.

It was just like so over the top that nobody could really point a finger and be like, this is why you shouldn't do this. So many, it's like so many right turns. You eventually end up back where you, already did so much wrong that it was it was actually right yeah yeah um you guys want to get into the jfk assassination yeah i would do that all right i know billy's very i don't know if the word is excited billy's very prepared for this one he's done a lot of research he asked us to push

back to recording an extra half hour so he could get all his all his documents in order and all his research in um so right off the bat let's just take the temperature of the room real quick who believes the Warren Commission result which was that it was enacted it was a it was an act perpetrated and planned by one person Lee Harvey Oswald with no help from anybody and no support from anybody big T believes it yeah big T you believe that Lee Harvey Oswald is the guy let me ask you this do you think that something at the level of the assassination of a president would

this many years later be able to have been kept a secret by if it had you know all the if you say the CIA was in on it if LBJ had him killed this that and the other if the amount of people that would have to be involved in that that that would have

remained a secret and well it's funny you bring that up because a hundred three people that are related to investigation surrounding the JFK assassination have died prematurely in a variety of accidents. Well, there's some, I won't say. 103 witnesses, asterisk's witnesses, you can say that like some of them were genuine

witnesses, but people around the investigation have been snuffed out at a higher than normal average. People around several people still today get snuffed out at a higher than normal average and nobody seems to think anything of it. That's different. Or they'll tell you you're a conspiracy. conspiracy theorist if you if you point that out it's just interesting that you you're standing lee harvey oswald however i will say this the killing of a president is in and of itself

inherently a conspiracy so i don't find any uh like whatever you think about this i think is usually reasonable so you do you think that is a possibility that lee harvey oswald when he was stationed overseas he became a marxist he was uh he was talking to a lot of people who were um i don't want to say like foreign agents but friends and associates of representatives of foreign countries you don't think that any one of them put him up to it you think it was all his idea and he personally hated jfk so much he was like no i don't think that's guy let's i think that's could have happened because that's also conspiracy but that's not uh i guess when but then he came back here and did it we we need the facts guys okay because we're we're good

Point, hold on, before we nosedive deep into it, there's something that happened on the rationale that was way more impactful than JFK assassination. Erica Badu was walking on it and she was butt naked and you should see it because it's one of the most important things that happened on the grassy in the grassy node. I'm going to look if not more important. I'm going to look this up just for research purposes. I'm scared, Badu naked. I'm dead serious, though.

Okay. I didn't know how gorgeous of a woman she was until that came out. And I don't even know if that's politically correct. I was good early early 2000. 2010, it looks like. Who is this woman? Okay. Oh, Mad Dogg doesn't know Erica Badu.

She's better than Taylor Swift. What about that? Oh, fuck off of that. No, I'm dead ass. You ain't going to find nobody. Who is she? Is she a singer? Who's Erica Badu?

Do you know the song? Cut your mic off. You know the song, Ms. Jackson. I'm sorry, Ms. Jackson. Yeah. Yeah. So, Ms. Jackson is Erica Badu's mom. Okay.

Songs about Erica Badu and her mom. Oh, because she's that awesome. Wait, I'm still confused on who she is, though, like as a person. She's, Erica Badu is, like, one of the pioneers of, like, that soul singing that, you've heard a call Tyrone. You've heard that phrase, call Tyrone. I think you're underestimating how white I am. Marion. I think I am, actually. I thought Carl Tyrone was a little more universally.

Oh, okay. I've seen her. I've seen her. I said, no. Jesus Christ. That's very informative. I'm glad I looked this up. You see what I'm saying? No. It was very informative. Yeah. It was artistic. It was artistic beauty. It really was, though. Because she's, she's one of those artists that I always said, By the artist, like true artist, they walk the line of like crazy and brilliant. Like she walks that line, but she's fucking brilliant.

She's fired up. Do you think that the grassy knoll is the most famous knoll in the history of the world? Is a knoll a small hill? Yeah, I don't even really know what a knoll is. Or a mountain. Are we, yeah, I was to say, are we getting back on the mountain hill thing? Oh, yeah. So a grassy knoll.

The grassy knoll. I actually just Googled it because I kind of wanted to get a better visual of what it is. and since it is a landmark on Google there's a lot of reviews and questions and it's said how safe is it to drive past this area and open top

car is the number one question that's just a little classic humor there a little callous humor I like it I'd argue it's pretty safe there's only one guy who didn't make it through yeah it's like saying

it's way safer to drive to the airport than it is to fly just because he saw a crash on the news it's probably the safest knoll by like the big numbers you know what you look at statistically it's the only null as far as I'm concerned maybe the goat knoll uh but

Seminole Seminole Seminole is it reach A little bit of reach By the way I learned that the Seminole tribe has their own aircraft carrier That's pretty cool They own it or is named after them No they have they have an aircraft carrier

Where is it the ocean? No, it's on a mountain. They built a ship in the forest. You can land airplanes on. Is it in a lake? Come on. Why would an aircraft carrier be in an ocean or a lake? An aircraft carrier would be

in an ocean. That's where they are traditionally Hang on, hang on, hang on. You, why wouldn't it be in an ocean? Yeah, you know, I heard aircraft and just thought aircraft. That's what I think. Aircraft. Aircraft. aircraft carrier

I miss heard my apologies Billy my apologies Big T my apologies BFT I asked if they had it in a lake All right yeah so

so Billy run me down some facts real quick surrounding the assassination of John F. Kennedy let's let's just look at the Warren Commission first okay

so the Warren Commission was put together by Linda B. Johnson after the assassination and it came out with 13 facts that they concluded. The shots, this is the first one, the shots which killed President Kennedy

and wounded Governor Connolly were fired from the 6th floor window at the southeast corner of the Texas School Book Depository. Number two, President Kennedy was first struck by a bullet which entered at the back of his neck and exited through the lower front portion of his neck, causing a wound which would not necessarily have been lethal. The president was struck by a second bullet, which entered the right rear portion of his head,

causing a massive and fatal wound. Governor Connolly was struck by a bullet which entered on the right side of his back and traveled downward through the right side of his chest, exiting below his right nipple. This bullet then passed through his right wrist and entered his left thigh where it caused a superficial wound.

There is no credible evidence that the shots were fired from the triple underpass ahead of the motorcade or from any other location. The weight of the evidence indicates that there were three shots fired. Although it is not necessary to any essential findings of the commission to determine just which shot hit Governor Connolly, there's a very persuasive evidence from the experts to indicate that the same bullet which pierced the president's throat also caused Governor Connolly's wounds. However, Governor Connolly's testimony and certain other factors have given rise to some differences of opinion as to this probability, but there's no question in the mind of any

member of the commission that all shots which caused the presidents and Governor Connolly's wounds were fired from the six-floor window of the Texas School Book Depository. This is number seven. The shots which killed President Kennedy and wounded Governor Connolly were fired by Lee Harvey Oswald. Number eight, Oswald killed Dallas police patrolman J.D. Tippett approximately 45 minutes after the assassination. Number nine, Ruby entered the basement of the Dallas Police Department and killed Lee Harvey Oswald and there is no evidence to support the rumor that Ruby may have been assisted by any members of the Dallas Police Department. Number 10, the commission has

found no evidence that either Lee Harvey Oswald or Jack Ruby was part of any conspiracy, domestic or foreign to assassinate President Kennedy. Number 11, the commission has found no evidence of conspiracy, subversion, or disloyalty to the U.S. government by any federal, state, or local official. Number 12, the commission could not make any definitive determination of Oswald's motives. Number 13. The commission believes that recommendations for improvements in presidential protection are compelled by the facts disclosed in this investigation.

Well, that settles it for. investigation to figure out that they needed improvements in presidential protection yeah it's kind of weird that we haven't had like a real we had a real rash of assassination attempts in the 60s 70s

80s haven't really seen too much since then people just stopped doing it I guess I don't know people got too much going on like just too much too much to distract people like like shit too much like it wasn't a lot going on back then man and not a lot of good TV shows sports like why why Why would I go kill the president when I have, like, four shows I got to catch up on and, you know what I mean?

Like, I could Google any porn I want to. Like, you know what I'm saying? There's so much entertainment. People are like, I'd rather not kill the president. I'd rather just beat off to, like, somebody throwing up. Yep. You could just tweet about him, too, if you didn't like him. That's true.

That's a big outlet today. A lot of people could, yeah, they just, they. This is good. Go ahead. I was going to say, so like I was just looking at Kennedy's, his popularity, Paul. He was like one of the most well-liked presidents. So it's like hard for me to believe that somebody disliked them that much without like any. So like the reason why I kind of believe that is because people that do something like this assassination,

we talked about assassinations on the last pod, right? People that people that do assassinations, there's like a political reasoning behind it. And if you didn't leave a letter, if there was no reasoning behind what you did, then it was kind of all in vain, which defeated the purpose of you taking your life or going to jail in the first place. So I'm under, unless there's something, did he leave something? Couldn't you say that the fact that he didn't leave any information about why he didn't speak to the fact that he was working with a team of other people?

So it wasn't just him doing it for his own reasons. He had some, you know, people that he was in Congress with that were telling him, not actually Congress, but people he was planning this out with that were telling him you need to do X, Y, and Z. This is how we're going to pull off the operation. So he wouldn't have written it up because then that would have pointed to all the other people that he was colluding with at the time. So you're saying if it was an inside job, there would be no reasoning for it because they didn't want the reasoning to be known. So yeah, let's, you know, fair. Looking into a lot of background on Lee Harvey Oswald, Lee Harvey Oswald is not a very simple, uh, simple.

person. From the day he was born, there's been a lot of stuff. But all of these documents and these records we have Lee R.V. Oswald have all come from government institutions. So for example, there has been a narrative painted as Lee Harvey Oswald is this lone gunman, this very troubled individual who, number one, showed mental health struggles early in life, signs of violence. That was recorded in a US New York City group home which is a government institution and then his time in the military which he had

several occurrences of problems with authority as well as scoring high on the sniper test there. He was considered a sharpshooter at one point and then his times in Russia and all of all these

records came from government sources. Right. So basically all the information that we have on him being this loan individual, his journal are out there and sort of do basically give credit to this idea that he acted a loan and he had a very strict ideology that would have caused him to try to assassinate JFK. Well, let's go back. And what was that? Okay, I'm going to go ahead.

I think we can get into Lee Harvey Oswald. specifically in just a little bit but if you look back Aaron brought it up he was a very popular president he was going to get reelected easily he was one of the most well-liked presidents

in the modern era but there were a lot of people that didn't like him a lot of very powerful people in groups that didn't like him so despite the fact that most people most voters in America really liked the guy a lot he had made big time enemies of the Cubans

he had also because of the Bay of Pigs invasion, where he tried to take out Castro. He had made big enemies of the people that planned the Bay of Pigs invasion, all of his generals and the intelligence community that planned this massive operation. So we essentially tried to take over the island of Cuba using our military. Well, it was partially our military, partially CIA, and partially former Cuban exiles who had left the island when Castro took over. We decided that we didn't want this motherfucker in our neighborhood. So we were just going to go ahead and take it. take his island back and keep it for ourselves or reinstall a more United States-friendly

dictator there. So we planned out the Bay of Pigs invasion. Kennedy had a lot of input from, you know, his top generals, the chief of staffs, all the people on the intelligence side. And then they got mad at Kennedy because he didn't provide air support to the invasion and essentially just kind of half-assed it and let a lot of people get killed. The entire operation was a big embarrassment. It was a massive failure. And so a lot of people inside our own government hated John Kennedy, too. So I made a list of people. JFK was loved by the majority of Americans because he embodied this idea of the American dream to a great large percentage of population. He was the son

of immigrants who had made it in America into bootleggers, into a lot of Americans, that was their story in someone they thought that their child could one day be. So like, you know, a lot of Irish American immigrants saw him as like, oh, like if we do well in America and I, you know, make it to a point my son could possibly be the next JFK, which is not the narrative for all of America, but the largest voting base at that time. They saw JFK as America's baby. Yeah. And so in addition to to all those people that we mentioned that might have a grudge against JFK, um, they're also Texas oil interests that hated him and the good old mafia the mafia hated John F. Kennedy and it always confused me when I hear like a documentary or I listen to a podcast about Kennedy

because they always call them Jack I guess Jack and John are synonyms now like when did that happen I don't like that what do you mean usually the father's John and then they name the son John as well but then they just call him Jack Jack is a nickname for John I never knew that you know that I mean I kind of agree with you. It is kind of dumb. It is dumb, but it was, it's like, Jack is a nickname for John. Yeah.

It's a white thing. Why? That's like where it comes from. Because it's like the first. Not wrong. Yeah. So it's John, like John's the father. He names his son John, but you can't have, you're having two Johns running around.

So John Jr. is usually referred to as Jack. Or John John. Yeah. But what, where did Jack come from? Like, where does Jack come? Like, John doesn't sound anything like Jack. Well, it's like Billy and William. Yeah, it's like Will.

Also, also, also, also, also stupid. Yeah. I don't understand why, but that one's really wild because John's already short as fuck. Usually like William and Bill, at least you're shorting in it. That makes sense. Yeah, from that perspective. Not the sound, but John and Jack is like, you're already there.

Just a, eh. It's weird. My grandfather was. named jack but he was actually just named jack so that's where i think i i didn't know that it was a thing that a john could also be a jack but but regardless john f kennedy also had made some very powerful enemies jack jack jack kennedy so i have six i have six people six groups that hated jfk and supporting conspiracies on how they uh carried it out and killed them and how they're related to the whole conspiracy.

First is Cubans or Russians, just in a general cold war, basically war sense. The CIA was trying to assassinate several communist leaders at the time. It was just like a straightforward, you know, the communists wanted JFK debt. And we did assassinate a lot of leaders too. Second, Cuban refugees for the Bay of Biggs debacle, basically they were trained and they felt that they were trained by CIA trained to do this whole thing, but they thought they were left out to dry and not properly supported. Number three is a combination of a inner government conspiracy that involves Lindenby Johnson, the military industrial complex, and the idea that JFK wanted to stop the war in Vietnam

and ramped down Cold War efforts, and that he was a threat to, you know, how profitable and how much power continual war was for a deep state now this is actually becomes you know in a roundabout way there's currently people sitting at the grassy knoll waiting for jfk junior in relation to this conspiracy which is somehow become intertwined with qanon and then uh the fourth uh group is the CIA because can you say that part again the okay so so is that explain the correlation between like the q and on they're always talking about jf kennedy junior and how he's still right so basically jfk the the idea is that there was a deep state effort to take out jfk because jfk wanted to stop the war in vietnam stop the cold war and basically prevent you know uh larger powerful people from

just taking advantage of the population. It's a whole, it doesn't make sense. It actually, it, it, uh, their connection to that conspiracy sort of doesn't make that conspiracy, like that conspiracy does have good points, but the whole QAnon's hijacking of it makes it like, annoying to talk about. So JFK also, yeah, there was something there, but then you guys just shat on it in like, made it so, so you could build a pretty good argument that QAnon is doing that intentionally. say up yeah that would be yeah i like that oh there was no no no that's actually brilliant because

there was this dude um who worked in um what was it he was in a gaming industry and he worked on uh i believe it was i'm going to butcher it but it was something like um uh escape rooms right but digital and so he he constructed him right and And he was saying how this sounds eerily similar to something that's constructed, like Q and on. He said, like, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, sounds eerily like something that's constructed, like, like, almost like a sci-out. And he was like, one of his references was like, um, he was, he was saying how, um, I'm a,

I'll get, I'll get the article, but like, there's credence to that. The puzzle idea as someone who creates puzzles the, the, yeah, it looks like a puzzle. Yeah, and he was saying, like, a lot of the times, because he would, he would, like, construct these escape rooms, right? And a lot of the times people would look at stuff that was just random in the room that had nothing to do with getting out, that people were fixated on it for out for, like, a long time, right? And he was, and he was saying the way that some of these things are kind of connected, it looks like it's constructed, like, from his vantage point. It was a really, like, dope article. I mean, I'm not saying that's exactly what it was, but it was just along Coles point. There's like some credence to that thought.

The fifth... Wait, wait. Going back to what you just said, Billy, the forces, like, inside the government. I think a lot of that gets tied back to... Some people say that John F. Kennedy was trying to fight the, like, global bankers at the time, and that's why they turn them. I don't think that there's, like, a whole lot of evidence about that, but that's the connection I think that a lot of people bring into the QAnon is that they're fighting the globalist.

JFK was trying to do that. The credence I give to this conspiracy has nothing to... to do with that. It has to do with this idea of Lyndon B. Johnson receiving great funding and power from the military industrial complex to keep Vietnam going and that he was involved in killing him, which is a popular theory. So there was a movie that came out in 1964. It's called Seven Days in May. Seven Days in May is about the United States government, the generals, the military, specifically taking over the federal government. So having an actual coup that takes place where the military takes over the White House, they rest control of the United States away

from the president and um the book came out i want to say in 1961 and jfk loved it because he could see parallels to i mean it was it was written to kind of like mirror some of the things that were going on with the generals that that jfk was working with um and jfk loved the book so much that he had them film some scenes for that movie in his white house he like snuck them into the white house and let them film on the property because he thought that the message that the movie was sending was like important enough

that the country needed to know that he was actually concerned that the generals would do something like that to him that's how deeply he believed that they were out to, in the back of their minds, they were going to do whatever it took to get JFK out of power.

The fifth group is the mob, basically this idea that the mob got JFK elected through his father's influence and that when JFK and Bobby Kennedy, he started prosecuting, racketeering, the mob was just like, we got you elected, we'll take you out too. Yeah, I think it was more so like Bobby when he was Attorney General, right?

That's why Bobby also got shot. He started going after the mob, and there were actually conversations. I've read a lot of mob books in my day, so like I've read some stuff that's written by people that used to be in the mafia that have been, you know, they're legit guys that have written their memoirs. And you have to take everything they say with a grain of salt, obviously. because they always want to seem like they're super important and the stuff they did was awesome.

But there were active conversations going on in the mafia, specifically like the Italian-American mafia about killing John Kennedy. Like they had had those talks. That's legit. So you can put like the mafia for sure at least talked about it and had general plans around how to kill John F. Kennedy. The Cubans and Russians definitely talked about it. they had plans around how to kill John F. Kennedy.

So right there, that's, we don't know about the others, but those are two of the groups that had definitely put plans in place to do it. And then the last group. Just real quick, going back to what Big T was saying earlier about not trusting that the government could keep a secret that large, I would almost trust the government to keep that secret over the mafia, like the mafia is as well regarded as they are, famous for not keeping tight lips. They just told us where Jimmy Hoffa was buried. No, that

was one guy that said it on his deathbed. Like the last thing that he said. Yeah, but they took the New York Times article said they took the I'm forgetting the name of it, but they saw that there was a what looked like a 75 gallon oil drum in the space he pointed to. Okay. So they're working on excavating it.

I just think that it is possible if it's done inside the intelligence community and it's kept to like a small enough group of people. I think I could see our own government killing our president. If you have, yeah, I agree. If you have someone like, you know, keeping the release of documents, they keep pushing it back every time it gets brought. How do they get someone to do it for them? How do they find somebody? Yeah. That's the easy thing. I think that's the easy part. Well, Lee Harvey Oswald was in the military. So they had a record of the people who were great

sharpshooters, qualified snipers. Let me just get this last one out just so that we can then start going through these because we're not going to cover it. My plan is just to go through each time by time and then we can just keep it concentrated. So the last one's the KKK and some sort of segregationist down south. And this was

one of the first theories on why he was killed because they thought the police was involved, the KKK, some sort of, you know, Southern segregationist movement that saw JFK is a threat to their way of life. But they also hate Catholics, too. Yeah. So another reason.

This one... Kennedy was the first Catholic president, right? Yeah. Mm-hmm. Isn't it weird to think that, like, Catholics used to be super discriminated against? Yeah. Yeah. It was like, like, when we talk about his approval rating,

looking backwards, but, like, as he was ascending, like, most people were like, Who's this fucking hippie with these radical ideas? Like, it's a very, very weird, like, mountain he ascended to. Has there been another Catholic president? I don't think. Joe Biden is Catholic? Are they the only two?

Do you believe that, Big Day, that Joe Biden's a Catholic? Of course not. They all say they're Christians to get elected. But Catholic and Christian have, like, a different vibe. No, you're, you mean Catholic and Protestant. Catholics aren't Christians. No, no, no, I know. I know, I know, but if you know, no, I know.

They usually call Catholics cannibals. Okay. No, because they ate the body. Catholicism is one part of Christianity and then there's Protestantism. I know that, but I'm saying that if you say you're Catholic versus if you say you're Christian, those have two different meanings. I think people have taken Christian to mostly mean Protestant sex now, yes. Yeah, but if you say you're Catholic, that's like. Joe Biden's the second Catholic present.

After JFK. Huh. I think something's going to happen. now every time we talk about something on a show it happens in real fucking yeah i meant to address this earlier i meant to address this much earlier i mean i mean let's go back we talk about madden all of a sudden he pops up with ronid lot at some event like we talk about young doth all of a sudden he gets off riped young doth like you know every time we talk about something on this fucking podcast it happens though we got to stay ground in reality

we do do super long podcasts and uh we touch a lot of topics and those are two examples you just shot you just you just you just shit on my i don't want to be true so now i'm going to start for another powerful i mean i mean i don't think it's i don't think it's true of course not but it's fun to think about i'm going to be honest i was researching all this kennedy stuff all morning and my brain is completely scrambled with with everything i'm like trying to figure out what's real what's not so yeah i i had many people tweeted me like i killed Dahl. Oh, my God. Yes. Which I didn't appreciate. And it was really telling how many people have actually listened to me outside of this show. I referenced Dolf surviving those

hundred all the time. That was not like a one-off. Like, here's me bringing this up. So as I was like pulled, like I was, that happened as I was driving back from New York to Maine. Tyler texted me. He didn't text me what happened. He just texted me what it felt like, which was enough to prompt me to pull over and be like, I know this is bad. And it was worse than I anticipated. So yeah, Russ and peace, young Dolph, that was a horrible coincidence

to be talking about him the two days before it happened. But yeah, it wasn't. But it's, that's a far, like, this happens on this podcast a lot. And usually we do cover a lot of varieties. I'm not saying there's any correlation, Billy. I'm just saying it's interesting. Now,

to refute the point by point assertion of the warning, Commission, there was also another commission that was put together, the United States House Select Committee on Assassinations. So, talk about real quick, before we go into that, what are the documents that current presidents continue to postpone on releasing? Yeah, so there's a lot of documents that have been collected in the investigation around the assassinated John F. Kennedy that kept getting pushed back and it was originally

scheduled to be released. I want to say in 2017 and then Trump pushed it back to 2021 and then Biden just a few weeks ago pushed that back again saying that because of the coronavirus people haven't had enough time to review the documents. I'm not sure. I totally believe that. But I think that's the biggest. That'd be the perfect time to do it by sitting around at the crib. So, for example, some of the documents that have been released since the Warren Commission that they didn't have access to themselves that have just been released were the idea that the CIA was actually actively trying to assassinate Castro and other communist leaders.

That was something that was not privy to the Warren Commission. So those are the types of things that they didn't know, the public didn't know, during Kennedy's assassination. Right. So in 1976, they established a commission to look at the JFK and MLK assassinations. And so they completed the investigation in 1978, and they issued a report. Here are the findings from that report. So this is done by Congress.

Point number one, Lee Harvey Oswald fired three shots at Kennedy. Second and third shots that he fired, struck the president. The third one killed the president. point number two scientific acoustical evidence established a high probability that at least two gunmen fired at the president that was disproven at least by what the acoustic evidence was disproven point number when was that disproven i think it's still like there are people that disagree about it uh because the um this was a congressional report yes yes point number three the committee believe where is going to go ahead i'm sorry go ahead point number three the committee believe on the basis of the evidence available to it that Kennedy was probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy. So where is the refutation

to the acoustic evidence, Billy? I'm not trying to, I'm just curious. I know, I know. So I'm pulling up right now. All right, I'll get in some others. The committee further concluded it was probable that four shots were fired and the fourth shot came from a second assassin

located on the grassy knoll but missed. the HSCA concluded the existence and location of this alleged force shot based on the okay based on the later discredited Dallas Police Department dicta belt recording analysis so they're saying that the the Dallas Police Department did not do their job in analyzing but it still it still maintains that there was a conspiracy around it right and so basically there was this idea of a CIA benign cover-up. CI director McCone was complicit in a central intelligence agency benign cover-up by withholding information from the Warren Commission, according to a report by CIA chief

historian David Roburge, Robarge. So that was released in 2014. So CIA officers had been instructed to only give passive reactive and selective assistance to the commission to keep the commission focused on what the agency believed at the time was the best truth that Lee Harvey Oswald, for his yet undetermined motives, had acted alone in killing John Kennedy. So the CIA may have also covered up evidence of being in communication with Oswald before 1963.

So one of the biggest things they withheld was CIA plots involving CIA links with the mafia to assassinate Cuban President Fidel Castro. So basically, the CIA had a lot of sketchy shit going on, and they did not. want any question more questions asked to them because they were doing stuff at the time that probably if Congress found out about they would have really not liked so um with that the whole these documents there's there's more stuff and I think what Biden said on the recent really documents are supposed to be released is that there were still there still pertinent information of agents in the field, which is crazy to think that people are

still involved and could be put in danger by these documents, which is even more sketchy in itself because it means something that was occurring back then is still occurring now and needs to be kept on the wraps. I think that was the exact, like the information is still pertinent to current operations in the CIA. So after going through like all the different groups that wanted to kill Kennedy and what we know about what happened that day. I know that there were a lot of people that were planning on killing Kennedy. There's another guy named, I think, Miltier or Miltre, that was in progress of designing a plan to kill John F. Kennedy when he was going to go to Miami. And he claimed that he was working with people that were on John F. Kennedy's

advanced team, like people that were involved in the protection detail to get information about where he'd be at what time so there were all these people that had plans to kill him is it possible that lee harvey oswald did it just by himself because he was mentally ill and hated john f kennedy for some reason i think it's possible but when you look at all the different people that actively wanted him dead i think it's more probable than not that he was working with somebody else so this hold on i don't think i believe in the second shooter three I think I don't okay so so I was looking at and this is from the U.S. Department of Justice Office of Justice programs they this was published in 1983. It's nine page document and this is the abstracts. It's based on primarily the acoustical, yeah, acoustical analysis performed by BBN and the Weiss and Ashkenazi indicating that there were gunshots in Dele Delay Plaza from Delhi Praza from both, I fucking feel like Billy

now, from both the Texas school book depository building where Lee Javier Oswald allegedly fired three gunshots and the grassy no area, one gunshot during Kennedy assassination. The H.SCA found in part that scientific acoustical evidence establishes a higher probability that two gunmen fired at President John F. Kennedy.

This is a government website. Yeah, so that's the HSC. That's some of their results right there. There's just people that dispute whether or not the way that the Dallas Police Department and analyze the audio recording, whether or not that was actually done in the correct manner to be able to... Yeah, so, I mean, that's sketchy.

They said it was, like, from radio scanners. Like, they kind of combine, like, radio scanners, stuff like that. But, I mean, in 1960, what other mode of statistical, I mean, a scientific analysis can you base it off of, you know? There's also a theory that one of the Secret Service agents actually was the one that killed Kennedy. because after in the car not in the car but in an adjacent car so the theory is that somebody

that they heard the shot and the Secret Service agent turned his rifle misidentified where the shot was coming from where the active threat was and that person was the one that fired the fatal shot by mistake

that one sounds like cat that hit Kennedy I don't sound like a little bit of cat so fun fact about when you're looking at the subruder film a lot of people when analyzing it for, you know, decades.

But something that we know now that makes... Every time I hear that, I think it's someone saying the ZipRecruiter film. I don't know if that's just ZipRecruiter, the smartest way to fire. Yeah, no, you've been a podcast, right? You met somebody podcast, though. So what makes the video so weird is that when people think about people getting shot in the movies, if you get shot in the back of the head, your head's going to go forward and sort of, just like you're going to slouch.

But because JFK had back problems, he would wear this back brace, which sort of was almost like a corset that would hold him upright and take pressure off his back. So instead of just slumping forward when he was shot in the back of the head, he actually sort of just slumped forward

till to where the brace held him and then actually bounced him back. So thinking of the mechanics of it, like it's almost like the uh what you call it those those uh things that fly outside of auto like the crazy way wacky waving arm wacky wavy thing did they have a name yeah if pops him back up because he was sort of on this uh brace that kept him upright it almost looked like he got shot in the front in the back of the head and then the front of that so that's why his head moves so weirdly and his body doesn't move as someone who you think would just get shot in the back

of the head and just slump forward. So that was causing a ton, like there's a ton of factors in this case that weren't known to the public at the time and just caused tons and tons of misinformation and hearsay and no one really knew what was going on. So those are the kind of things that bred a lot of these conspiracies, especially when it kept that film. I was just looking at the assassination. nation. That's a hell of a shot, though.

But he was moving in in a car. There was like four, four, six, six, four other people in a car? Four other people in a car. Why did, why did his wife, I guess, I mean, shit, you said she wants to get the hell out of it. So he got shot and she bolts out the back. And then

there was a dude standing on the back of the car keeping her in. Did you see that? Yeah. Yeah, it was, there have been some people that dispute whether or not it's possible to get all three of those shots off using that rifle to uh i guess i'm not a i'm not a firearm enthusiast but you have you have you have to fire then you have there's an action that you have to do to chamber the next round and then you have to aim fire again it is possible i've seen

people do it on like myth busters and shit um so it's possible to do it and if you're a trained marksman i guess i guess you can but it's still like it's it was tough to pull off if it was Lee Harvey Oswald that was doing it. So the theory about the secret service agent was, and this is true, there was a driver that was behind John F. Kennedy, there was a car that was filled with secret service agents. They had an AR-15. One of the secret service agents pulled the gun out, put the safety off, and then the car sped up as he was trying to find his target. And they're saying that's the shot that hit his head and caused a devastating injury, whereas head was was pretty much blown off are you sure it was an AR 15 yes an AR 15 one I mean the

trajectors is what Billy was talking about I don't know shit about guns like that but he he bucks backwards wouldn't that indicate that the force is coming from his front right so since he was wearing that corset type you know back brace when he got shot in the back of the head he went forward but his brace caught him and then he went backwards like because it was like a like it was like if you hit something and bounce backwards Billy wanted to use the the wacky flatable arm flailing guy from a car sale again that's probably the first time that analogy has ever been used to describe the assassination something was keeping him up no man the impact the impact there's literally

like spread from the front so it's not like it's not like it comes out and spreads it's like impact spread you know what I mean like I mean I'm not I'm not a fucking yeah well the thing about gunshots is sometimes actually frequently the exit wound is way more devastating than the entry wound so as it goes out the back because the first shot actually the when you see his head explode that's the second shot the one that killed he got shot he got shot twice in the head yeah the first one was in his like it went through his neck kind of and actually you can't see it in the video well is that the didn't they didn't they find a bullet that very clearly didn't go through anybody?

Well, it hit the, it hit the congressman, right? So the governor, so that's the magic bullet theory. So the shot comes down, enters in in his upper back, and actually ricochets, comes out his neck, goes into the person who's sitting in front of him, Connolly, hits his right armpit, breaks his rib hits his wrist which is right in front of his wrist then deflects down and hits him hits that other guy in the thigh so look so connolly had three entry and exit wounds one in his rib one in his wrist and then one in his leg from the bullet that came through kennedy's neck so that's one they found that had no like it was still intact they found a bullet that was completely intact did they

not yeah they found they found a cartridge that was relatively like clean that i don't know if that was the the magic bullet one or if that was the second one that just took his head off so guys when i send you this video he got shot just send me the link to revel's tweet yeah well that was what i want to talk about too that he didn't even tweet it this year yeah i checked oh so the first tweet because you guys kept saying that i didn't know you're referring to real quick really really so so the first shot because like when you look at the video like he's kind of of like grimacing it looks like he's like fixing something with his chest so he had already been shot and then his wife says it's like yo looking like yo what the fuck's going on with you

but didn't look that concern and then the second way he got popped in the head okay confused a lot of people because like if you're looking at the shot I think he gets shot on you see a number of frames I think he gets shot on 226 or 227 the first time and then that's why he's because he's holding himself he's like he's like oh like and he didn't know what's going then so like that's actually much more plausible from from frame 226 and then the second shot hits to uh washington real time oh jesus 315 is the second is when he is the second shot hits him and there might even be a shot in between so i mean that isn't too especially if you're practicing as a sniper like for this moment like reloading as fast as you can while the car is moving

so that's what that's what a lot of people don't understand they think that both shots come when the second shot hits but so it's the first shot yeah the first shot he waves

oh so it's like right after he passes the sign so if you're looking at like so yeah yeah Like almost, I think the shot was like while the sign was in the way of the camera. Yeah, it was like right after the sign hit. Yeah, okay. And as soon as he passes the sign, he's like, oh, shit, I got pop.

And it's short, he goes to console him. And then bam. Yeah. Scramble. And then they take him to hospital. They take in a Parkland hospital in Dallas. And by the way, if you go to Dealey Plaza, there's, they have an X on the ground, like where it happened. That people let go by.

That's so fucking. And then the second one, the second one is the exit wound, which is larger. The exit wound is always larger than the entry wound. Like, that's a known thing. Just, yeah, that's why it looks like he's going to shot from the front. And then they take him to the hospital and they try to save him at the hospital. But obviously, like, sir, you don't have a head any longer. So he had a pulse when he got there, didn't have any blood pressure.

One of the doctors that was attending on him has said that in the later pictures that they saw after the autopsy was performed that they covered up some of the wounds that he saw when he was there. But that's just one guy who is one of a team of probably like 10 or 12 people that was working on. So I'd be more likely to throw that one out and be like, okay, it's possible that one person, a 30-year-old doctor when they're operating on the president of the United States, they probably one of those guys might misremember what was happening, like some of the finer details in that moment, especially if everybody else in the room thinks it went one way. But the crazy part is, after he passes away at the hospital when he's declared dead,

by Texas state law, you have to do an autopsy in the state of Texas before somebody is moved out of the state. The Secret Service surrounds his body, loads it up into a coffin, and they just say, fuck that, we're not letting his autopsy take place here. And they pushed him out of the hospital, would not let the corner do an office. autopsy in that hospital instead they loaded his shit back on to air force one and and flew him home right at that point and that's when lbj took the oath office on that air force one ride but damn i had never seen the video until now like i mean oh really yeah i've never really i looked at it from that the vantage point of it you know you know he got shot but i was never like hmm how did he get

just me looking at it right now it's just like wow that makes sense yeah i i haven't actually looked at that intensely till this morning i don't like watching it i don't like either like you Like some people, you've seen the clip of his head, but I never saw the time he first shot. The first shot in his neck. Yeah, that's, that blew my mind actually, yeah. Okay. Now is, this might be my favorite part to talk about when it comes to the JFK assassination, not the Zapruder film.

I hate watching that shit. All right. But the allegations of certain people in our government that may or may not have been involved in it. Well, yeah, let me, there's a question that kind of binds both of these. So, like, we were talking about Biden and all the presidents pushing back this report, this information. Doesn't that lead you to believe that it wasn't Oswald? Like, why would they push it back if it confirmed that? I don't know.

So it's like many things with the government, I'm always like, why are, like, when there's always shit redacted? And I'm like, even if it's like, they're like, okay, this will fuck things up or leads to more conspiracy. It's just like, for me, transparency is always the best because it, at least at the end of the day, you have that in your pocket. Like, you can think what you want to think, but we're transparent about it. You just lead so many, it's so many tentacles.

You give it so many tentacles if you're just like, well, we redacted this because of the, you know what I'm saying? It's just, it's too shaky. And you already have a distrusting public. So transparency, I feel like it's the best, unless there's some shit in there that, you know. So I don't know. I have a couple.

There's nothing in the report that was like, yeah, Lee didn't do it. We know who it was. It's this guy. He lives in Montana. Well, the thing is, you know, there could be a conspiracy of not of action, but of inaction. So think about, like, I wish I could give a little more background before proposing this. But I sort of have an idea that let's say someone in the government wanted to kill him. Let's just say if you're in charge of protecting the president.

and locating threats to the president and making sure they don't actually get to him. And if you're the U.S. president, there's probably a lot. It would actually be more likely that they knew it was going to happen and let it happen rather than conduct it themselves. Right. That makes sense, actually. I like that.

That's one of the theory, like 9-11 theories, no? Like they knew when they just let it happen? Yeah. That, yeah, there's some theories that various like overseas intelligence agencies had a heads up on it. They didn't do anything to stop it because they wanted the United States

to get attacked and then to engage in like an all-out war on terror. So that's, yeah, conspiracy of inaction, that's good, Billy. Yeah. I think that, like, that's, there's definitely something that could be there with that.

You know, the son even like that, though. No, it's good. I'm proud of him. I'm proud of Billy. I like to give Billy positive reinforcement every hour. I like it. I like it. It's good, Billy.

It's good. Yeah. No, I agree. I agree that. A conspiracy of inaction would actually make more sense of why they would hide it. So Oswald was well known to a bunch of people. And then there's another idea that maybe Oswald was a double agent because they knew of Oswald. Oswald was in Russia back into the U.S.

I'm even surprised the Russians didn't think he was working for the U.S. I mean, he had all the earmarks of someone who should be checked on. like if we get into his background he was sort of had schizoid they say tendencies troubled child bad stuff happened to him

in the military he tried to he shot himself by accident decent sharpshooter defected to the Soviet Union wanted to become a Soviet national ended up coming back because he did not like that he could make money there

but there's nowhere to spend it. His quotes exactly from his journal if it was really him saying there's no bowling alleys. There's no nightclubs. There's nothing to do here. But there's a lot of supporters of Oswald. Like several of

his wives are like he could have never done this. Several of his wives. He is two. One Russian wife, like one girl he like married in Russia and then one that he had back in the States. both of which don't think he was capable

at all of doing this. It's another back-to-back wives area codes. Yeah. I could see if we're talking about the documents that have been redacted or withheld and reasons to not put them out,

the government can come up with any reason however to in general it might be to be like, yeah, we can't release this information because, like, for example, when he was working on the U2 spy plane overseas, that would was like top, top, top secret for the United States government. They might not want our adversaries to know, okay, this is how, this is how many people we stationed at each base when

we have a really top secret thing that we're trying to keep under wraps. Like, there's all sorts of information that we might not want to get out there. There's like a lot of small stuff that they could make a claim is putting national security in jeopardy in some weird way. But yeah, they should release the files. I want to read all the files related to this. Most specifically, I want to know more about what George H.W. Bush was doing around the time of the Kennedy assassination. And you might think I sound crazy to say this. But George H.W. Bush claims that he doesn't remember where he was during the assassination when he found out about the murder of John F. Kennedy. That seems like the wrong answer. It's definitely the wrong answer. Even if you don't actually don't remember, you make something up. Yeah. I mean, figure it out.

I probably don't say that. How can you not remember where you were during the assassination of John F. Kennedy? And there's a lot of stuff. I recommend everybody out there reads the book Family of Secrets by Russ Baker about the involvement that George H.W. Bush had in the CIA, which isn't, that's not a secret. I mean, he was the head of the CIA. So I imagine you have to crack a few eggs to reach that position. That seems like one they just don't give out to anybody. But, yeah, he claims that he doesn't remember where he was.

on November 22nd, 1963. And this is where it gets a little interesting. His roommate, when he was at the Phillips Academy, was the nephew of a guy named George de Moran Schilt. I'm pretty sure I'm butchering the pronunciation of that last name. So his roommate's uncle was George DeMoran Schult. Now, George DeMoran Schilt was also a friend of Lee Harvey Oswald. That's a crazy coincidence.

In fact, there were such close friends that, like, three days after George DeMoor and Schilt died, his wife took to the United States government a picture that he had of Lee Harvey Oswald in their backyard holding the rifle that killed John F. Kennedy. Oh, shit. Oh, also. Yeah. I mean, that's a crazy coincidence. That's wild.

Yeah. Also, there was a. another shooting, three weeks earlier before JFK got shot of a general in Dallas, who is a segregationist, sort of very conservative anti-communist individual who also got pot up, as they say, a pot shot at him with a similar situation. And they think Oswald might have been behind that one as well. And let me pull up that exact. so he could have been just sort of a DC sniper type scenario where he was taking shots all around town

just waiting but let me find that exact also Ted Cruz's dad might have been there we don't know we don't know anything about that I was unable to dig up any concrete examples of No, that might be the funniest thing in political history, though. It's so random.

Like, I would love for Trump to double back down. It might happen, though, because Trump's definitely going to rerun in 2024. And I think Cruz is going to take a shot at it, too. So I hope he pulls out the big guns in the, or do you think the Republicans, Big T, you can answer this. Do you think if Trump runs again that he'll have any challenge in the Republican Party? Yeah, I do think he would actually I think it would be like John Kasich again

He'd be like I'm there's no way I'm gonna run as I'm gonna run as a moderate And then Trump is gonna take a shit all over him And Kasich is gonna get beat by like 50 points I think DeSantis wants to be president I think yeah I think it's Ted Cruz for sure Ted Cruz would absolutely run against him

He'd have no chance but he just wants to know sure sure But I would love to see those debates That would be interesting but I think DeSantis would probably end up like if Trump was like be my vice president I think he'd do it Oh for sure

I don't think anybody wants to get in the mud with Donald Trump and the Republican Party Right especially if you're like young like that And you have a future problem Yeah he's low key is the Republican Party right now Which is wild It's gonna be grim

But I don't think there's a single person Who is capable Of defeating Trump on a stage just using words, not like talking points, not I think here's what I'm actually going to do. No, I agree. There's not a single person outside of Dave.

Dave's the only one. Who? Dave L. Prez, Dave Portnoy. He's the only one. Oh, the owner of question. To toe to toe with Trump and hold his own. Every other, like Ted Cruz like fucking

was like Trump was insulting his wife and he was like, thank you. Like no one else. Like, you got at least swing on them do something otherwise like no one's going to ever want to vote for you and no one should but in terms of just actually holding your own up there like desantis can't do it fucking cruise certainly no can't do it case it's can't do it like you have to be someone who's also just going to say the craziest thing that comes to your mind and that's comfortably dave so

uh general walker uh edwin walker was there was an attention to the assassination attempt about three weeks before JFK's assassination. And there was no leads on this case until the JFK got shot. And they're like, this was very similar to something that happened three weeks earlier.

And Marina Oswald testified that her husband had told her that he traveled by bus to General Walker's house and shot at Walker with his rifle. She said that Oswald considered Walker to be a leader. of a fascist organization. So this, I mean, I'm going to be honest,

the more I looked into this because I heard more of the conspiracies before looking into this than the fact, I think Oswald kind of definitely did it. I don't know who he was involved with, but I think he 100% did it. Well, isn't the whole thing that, like, yeah, he did it, but the motives slash strategy

are what the actual conspiracy is? Right. So looking at it, his international travel, there were some reports that he was in Mexico at the embassy. This was going to ask you. Go ahead. Go ahead. So him sort of, and the thing is, this is where the discrepancies lie.

Some people say that Oswald spoke perfect Russian. Well, other people said that he spoke terrible Russian. So, you know, who knows at the time he may have been better at Russian at one point? good at another or some people think that it's the more rational explanation that he was bad at russian when he was drunk and in mexico he may have been you know drinking tequila or something at the um you know uh soviet embassy so all sorts of stuff but we do know that he was the only member of the friendly Cuban organization the fair treatment of Cuba organization he was definitely a very left leftists and the idea that he didn't like how things are being done in America.

And there was also reports they attempted suicide in the Soviet Union but was stopped. There was a lot going on with this guy. But who knows if this was all him or, you know, he was sort of a sleeper agent that was being manipulated. So there's this, there was this dude who's been, I don't know if you ran across this you were looking at a dude by the name of Dave Perry so Dave Perry has kind of been like obsessed and fascinated with this shit for since 17th in 1970s. So he's been kind of like

researching this shit and that's one of the things where you're saying he was saying that we we definitely know he was in Mexico talking to Russians and they even know who he talked to. They just don't know what was talked about. And the

the recent release of the JFK files like they weren't um very substantive um they still have shit that they're covering up and he thinks that what was talked about in mexico is part of it um and also they he said that um uh the CIA received an assassination warning in 1962 that uh the polish guy in australia yeah so go ahead So there was a Polish limousine driver who was driving Russian nationals around Australia who reported that the Russians had put an $100,000 bounty on Kennedy and basically just distributed that out towards all their networks.

Like if anyone can kill Kennedy, he's got a $100,000 bounty. That's kind of a light bounty for the president. You're going to have to come up with a little bit more than $100,000. Back then, like, it's like 500 maybe? Still not enough to kill the president. The thing is... That's disrespectful, honestly. The thing is, hit men...

Hit men, like, don't... I feel like hitmen are actually very viable because if they're... You don't want to live lavish. Yeah. If you are too... Like, if you've become a hitman, like, you probably don't have any other options to make money in the first place.

So, like... Do you become a hitman? Like, if you're involved in assassination, shit like that, like you become a hitman in hoping... one day somebody will be like this is the big call where you're going up to the show it's the president you know i mean i saw something like today someone paid someone 2k to kill somebody i would be so mad if somebody paid me two thousand dollars to or if somebody paid somebody two thousand dollars to kill me like that sounds like how much i also to kill somebody uh well

also that's kind of like a get what you pay for type deal you shouldn't want somebody who's willing to kill somebody for two grand exactly just lie to me add a couple of zeros onto it mattresses flying and hit men spend the money it's worth it that's good i like that yep like how much you think like a good assassination would cost today mad dog just make sure to clip that that big t is like spend the money on a good hit man you don't want to half ass this one i would also i would have sternly disavow killing in all its forms if you're going this part if you're going to do it it seems like something it's like you know you're going to get what you pay for i would also add porches to that i like that yeah don't underpay for a porch i like that so it would be basically a million dollars

in today's money because there's the cumulative price change of a hundred thousand dollars from 1963 to 2021 is 815 percent that still doesn't seem like yeah for the president that's like a million dollars well i feel like there should be no bond isn't that a thing where you can just like no bond what do you mean they have to stay what isn't that a thing no bond for where they set no bond and it's like they're not a lot of leave no no no jail we're not the other way about it we're talking about somebody paying somebody to kill like oh sorry sorry sorry we were on the other side of that conversation um yeah I think I think what what were the the Silk Road assassination prices I that's what I was talking about I think like

I remember a lady paid a hitman $2,000 to kill her husband. Pretty good. That's such an insult. Yeah. Maybe it was on Black Friday. Maybe it was a great hitman deals. Three for one. Any three people, any non-government official, three.

Well, if it's $100,000 to kill the president, how much do you have to pay Jack Ruby to be the guy that kills the guy that killed the president? This is where I think the mob comes in. I think at that point it's getting... I think Jack Ruby was 100% of the mob. He's a nightclub owner. Nightclub owner. His name is a mob. Like the jewels.

It's a tough name to sound innocent. Yeah, it really is. It's a great name for a rapper. His real name. Jack Ruby. He was basically in the Chicago scene. He was like a teamster, union guy. Like, I would...

I think that that hit. it's easier to get someone to kill the man to kill the president. You don't have to go through some sort of psycho. Oh, for sure. People are probably lining up to be the guy that got to kill the guy that killed the president. If you honestly believe that Lee Harvey Oswald, like, acted alone and wanted to kill John F. Kennedy, I'm sure you could have found millions of people that would have been like, yeah, give me a gun. I'll do it.

So this is where the, you know, the KKK conspiracy comes in, where they think that the Dallas police had a bunch of KKK members. and they just let him in. Aaron dropped off this call, but I'll just answer for him and be like, yes, they did. They absolutely did have. Like in the early 60s.

Did. Yeah. In the early 60s, Dallas Police Department definitely had some KKK members in it. Yeah. But I don't think the KKK was involved with Lee Harvey Oswald.

Yeah, I don't know how much evidence there is out there for that. But it is weird that when they're transporting the most wanted or the highest profile criminal one of the highest profile criminals in the history of our country on like the one time that they have to change jails for him he just gets shot in a basement where everybody knew that he would he would be walking you would think that security would have been like a little bit tighter their verbal meme it's the guy

that's standing outside the stadium just not even touching people letting him in that's what the Dallas police department was doing to let people into that tunnel well he's I'd say it was because of all the media members. Notice how all of this is so well documented for that back then? Well, the people that are in the police department, in that Dallas police department, they knew Jack Ruby. Yeah. Because right after he fires a shot, you hear somebody that's in that entourage go, Jack, you son of a bitch. Like, oh, that's rascal Jack, pulled it off on us again.

It's like Barney Stinson. Yeah, they knew who the guy was. like they they were on first name basis with jack ruby she's yeah so i mean in a perfect world where we you know believe everything's fine and dandy lee harvey oswald was just a crazy communist sympathizers shot jfk and jack ruby was just a crazy nightclub owner who in a fit of rage over his beloved president shot lee harvey oswald that's boring well like could could the jack Ruby thing be spun like the Teamsters did have Kennedy taking care of, but they wanted it to seem like they were big Kennedy guys. So then they took care of the guy that they hired in the

first place. Uh, could be. Ruby was addicted to a prescription meth of the day. Love that. Yeah. What was prescription meth used for? Fen Matrazine. My grandma was given prescription meth. Really? Yeah. How'd that go? It was after, yeah, like they were just handing it out. But, like, what, what sickness do you have that prescription meth is the cure? A lot of things. Post-pregnancy. Wanting meth? Wanting meth.

Takes the hedge right off. Wait, post-partum? She was getting meth? Yeah. I mean, I don't know the exact story. I'm probably but it was something having to do, like, she just had a kid. And so, like, here's your meth. And it was also, like, the babies came me up all night.

So here's your meth. Yeah. I feel like that would be more of a. cocaine thing like stay up stay awake who knows i don't know i don't know what meth actually does to you prescription or non-prescription so where do we stand on jack ruby as a team um because i don't think that you can believe that like lee harvey oswald acted alone and then also jack ruby acted alone no i think there was some connection i think lee harvey oswald was hired Wait.

Also, this is in the early days. They were both hired by different people. I do also have a theory that this sort of crazed actions, like, because all this stuff was the first time media was sort of widespread, you know what I'm saying? Like, everyone knew about what it happened. Everyone saw the visuals around what it happened. I don't think the Zepruder film was broadcast. Supercruder.

But you could have just had a case of just like people dealing with media for the first time. Yeah, but I feel like if that was the case we, like, if that was just the case, we still wouldn't be talking about it, like, today, 50 years later. It was also way easier to get away with conspiracies back then, I think, than it is today. Yeah, it's like the thing with, like, DNA, it's like if you just had to get away. Yeah. You just don't leave a paper trail. Don't write a memo. And there's actually no one, the entire world was that chat.

Crazy. Craziest thing, Ruby died a month later. He never saw a trial either. What did he die of? umbilism lung maybe from all the guilt just overtook him

or the meth yeah it could have been the meth too um billy do you have any more facts about this or should we reach our conclusion dude I have so many more facts

we actually haven't gone through any of it all right give me two more facts okay let me find this um Billy put in our group chat today today's episode was at least going to be

four plus hours I was gonna I was gonna go through every single conspiracy okay so Cubans or Russians and in response for CIA assassination attempts,

Lyndon B. Johnson, military industrial complex, angry that Kennedy wanted to scale back the war and all that. And then the mob stuff, Jimmy Hoff was involved. Jimmy Hoffa hated the Kennedys. But also, we didn't even talk about Bobby Kennedy getting shot. Well, the Kennedy curses a whole episode we could do on its own. I know. With like Rosemary Kennedy getting the lobotomy.

Yeah. Like, you can do a whole episode on the Kennedy family, aside, and not even mentioned JFK. The eldest brother died in an experimental, uh, like drug trial? No, experimental bomber mission. They were trying to make drones for the first time. They're basically trying to make like Kamikaze like B-22, B-29s, basically just like filled up a giant bomber with dynamite and crashed him into German bunkers. But, uh, the first, it was it John?

No, not John. Joe, Joe Kennedy, the eldest son, named after JFK's father, died. He blew up in the bomber. He never made it out. He was supposed to jump out in parachute. Right. But did he not jump out? Now he didn't make it.

But that's even sketchy in itself. Yeah. Definitely. I mean, a little bit. Maybe it just fell asleep at will. I feel like Mad Dogg's being awfully quiet about. Taylor Swift's involvement I was just going to mention that

actually Yeah convenient I'm at the loop put me on Taylor Swift dated a Kennedy Connor Kennedy I believe was his name

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just got re-recorded that I was shouting out at the live show. Um, wrongly. No. And so basically people, people are clamoring. They're wrong about how Taylor Swift dated Connor Kennedy when he was 17 and she was 23. No. He was 18 and she was 22. I'm not saying that he was legal. Look, I'm 22 when I date an 18 year old right now. No. But it was legal and people are saying like people are mad, like people are mad because they're not Taylor Swift and they can't date a hot Kennedy at 18 years old. I don't know, man, if 18, like, if they were, if they was together while he, while she was 18, then the odds are they were talking while she was 17, right? No, no, no, no. She was praying on him.

Okay. Oh, she was praying. Oh, she was praying on him. Praying. Whoa. Praying is a hard and fast term to bring into this. Also, grooming. How about grooming?

No. Were they, was she grooming him at 17? No. No, they only dated. It was like a summer fling. Like, it was a quick, so they didn't have, they didn't have any. conversations when she was when he when he was 17 they only fucked when it was hot outside it's totally cool they may have not even what do you mean gotten even no they like did she write a

song about him i don't think so like he was like people if she wrote a song about 18 year old boy like for how he treated her then i'd be like that's fucked up because 18 year old boys are as someone who is only a little past that tell yeah tell us about 18 year old boys bill yeah they're literal idiots? Agreed, yeah. I remember when you were 18. Yeah. The song...

You've grown so much since then, though. The song that Taylor Swift wrote about Connor Kennedy, allegedly, if you're a Taylor Swift fan, is Begin Again, which is notably a very, very not breakup song. It's like I felt like, this was after Jake Gyllenhaal,

who was all too well was written about. This is like, you were the person that I let in again after a very bad breakup. So Begin again is not like a fuck you song at all. Begin again is a very if anything, very nice song towards Counter Kennedy and

I mean. So hold on. I just want to make sure I'm following right. Okay. She got out of a toxic relationship with an adult. Yes. And then she started dating an 18 year old. Like robbed the cradle. Well this was like this was like

this might have been a year and a half later. so it wasn't like a rebound so it sounds like she's going out of her way to be extra nice the only person that she's been extra extra nice to after they've broken up is the guy that maybe has some blackmail on her because he knows that he was 17 no

the only one from a more powerful family than her no I just think it's interesting very interesting hold the freaking phone if you if you guys were given the opportunity today and extremely attractive Kennedy, don't act like you wouldn't do it. There's such a thing?

I date people based on character and merit. Kennedy, I'm not worried about their fucking status in society. Connor Kennedy, okay. Well, Conner Kennedy was no... I'm going to send you guys a picture. Connor Kennedy was, like, notably,

he is a very cute boy. I don't... Or what, like, was when he was... I don't think the Kennedy women... I'm just saying if there was a very attractive Kennedy woman. You wouldn't be like, oh, no way. I don't think I'd like to date a Kennedy,

based on everything that we've learned today. I'd absolutely count me out on that. They were a summer. They were a summer fling. I remember this. I was 13 when this happened. I remember. It's not, this is a goofy looking dude.

He's not. He's not goofy as hell, bro. He looks like a teen. Like a teen. He was 18. Sent me a dork. You sent me a dork. He's cute.

But the whole thing is, That from everything I've heard, so he's the grandson of R of K. Oh, Bobby. Yeah. So I don't know who his dad is, honestly. But I'm not like a huge Kennedy follower, so I don't know everything about them. But I begin again, if you're going to have any Taylor Swift's song written about you after you break up and it's beginning in, you are in a lucky, lucky boat. Madeline, did you read the headline from the picture that you sent us?

did Taylor Swift's Kennedy obsession cause split Connor quote freaked out as singer came on too strong She was pushing a little bit So what So what if she was excited I think we should cancel her

No we're not canceling I think she's into young dudes I think it's not appropriate No Joe Alwin's She groomed him No he's like Drake Yeah

Yeah And obvious predatory behavior Obviously insiders say Taylor freaked the 18 year old out by coming on too strong because of her apparent obsession with his famous family. Okay. Wow.

And she was, wow. She's about chasing the Kennedy. I'm not here. I'm not here to answer every single question. I was not there. I was not part of it. It's weird to write a song about a 17-year-old. She was.

He was 18. He was 18. And, I mean, a lot of artists do that. Not only Drake, Neil Diamond, Sweet Caroline was about a Kennedy, right? I believe Sweet Caroline was about a 14-year-old. Okay. yeah Connor was not 14

I'm just saying at one point he was yeah so he was never 14 so much Jake Gyllenhaal I only bring that up to say that like just because the song is about a young Kennedy doesn't mean that it's not going to be played

for years and years to come yeah begin again I just listened beginning no pun intended Begin again is a great song watched it begin they were in a cafe it was awesome but a summer 18 year olds don't know anything

about cafes. He wasn't 14. Did you say 14? I said 18. That was... Well, I bet they were... This guy may have known about cafes. Yeah.

If you're a Kennedy, you're knowing about cafes. Yeah. Maybe. Now, you just said you didn't know a lot about the Kennedys. Now you're just saying

you know a lot about his cafe experience. No, but I'm just saying I know, I mean, rich people tend to know more about cafes than the average. Sounds like Taylor Swift is, she sounds like she's just a fan of the Kennedy conspiracy theories, too.

No. Maybe she wanted to get close to the family. That's what, look, what you made me. do was about it was about it was about getting into the bootlegging industry you guys can't put this on me you can't she is she is technically bootlegging her own albums right now maybe she just wanted the blueprint you guys can't put this taylor swift thing on me i'm not i'm a taylor swift you are because all of you're you're standing in front of these bullets you're like elon musk fans right

now oh don't put me in that by the way a second a second guy also died the day jfk got shot. He was a cop who was the first person to indicate that Oswald was the killer and his name was Titt. Wasn't it the Tippets, right? Tippet. Yeah. Yeah. I just said

a random lyric here from, look what you made me do. No, that's a different song. I don't like your perfect crime. How you laugh when you lie. You said the gun was mine. Isn't cool. Reputation. Okay, that whole album, the whole reputation. Wow. Guys. Wait.

Guys. Guys. Guys, whoa. The whole reputation album. Taylor Swift killed Jonathan. Look what you made me do. Look what you made me do. Look what you just made me do.

That sounds like it's written from the perspective of a patsy who had their mind controlled by somebody else and made them do something with a gun. Does that sound familiar at all? I bet they don't. I think Taylor Swift is a big conspiracy theory, J.F.K. She is a conspiracy theory in herself. herself is a conspiracy theory all of her her Easter eggs and all of her little

her little hints no look what you maybe the reputation the reputation album is notably is notably like a made up like sci-fi fan fiction Taylor Swift is Taylor Swift's sci-fi era is secretly Lee Harvey Oswald's daughter

or granddaughter from with the Russian woman and she went to date this Kennedy to exonerate her father She doesn't not look Russian Yeah she kind of does look Russian She also was involved in collusion

In the 2016 election Why? Okay explain that Ted talk No also Connor Kennedy is now dating Dame Dash's daughter Which is not something I expected to learn Dame Dash is trying to get it in

on the files too Yeah, maybe Dame Dashwood's ahead of it. I see, but now you're giving credence to what we're saying. Madeline, you just invalidated everything you've said. No, I'm saying maybe Taylor Swift just had a summer fling with this boy. She's not going to find out all the Kennedy secrets in the summer. That's not how Connor was telling it. What if they took...

No, Connor, I'm sure Connor, if what he said was accurate about, like, he came on, she came on too strong, he's definitely not giving her the secrets. Okay, what if they kidnapped Oswald? And then framed him for Tippett's murder to then make it more obvious that he did it. And then they had someone else shoot JFK because they found him 45 minutes later. But why would Lee Harvey Oswald take that fall? Well, he didn't. He was just saying, I'm a Patsy, I'm a Patsy.

What's a Patsy? A Patsy is someone who gets set up to do something to take the fall. Did he admit to killing J.D.? Titt? Okay. Succession reference is Tom Wamsgant. Patsy? Tom is, yes. Okay.

Yes, he would be a Patsy. Somebody that people, other people are using to take the fall for something that Spoiler alert. People have done. Got it. So Oswald denied killing Tippett and's JFK. Well, duh. So we didn't claim Patsy or he did.

He said, I'm a Patsy. He said, I was a Patsy. They're only coming after me because I lived in the Soviet Union. I just think that maybe somebody should explore their. look what you may be do, Taylor Swift, Kennedy. Just pull out the thread a little bit. Wait till all the facts come out. See what happens.

It's interesting for sure. We have the documents. What's your final, what's your final conclusion on a JFK assassination? Let's go let's do a round of room. My final conclusion is that Lee Harvey Oswald fired the gun, killed JFK, but he was put up to it by people who we still don't know. my best guess would be a combination of the Cubans and the mafia that's my best and then there may have been a conspiracy of omission what was your term billy inaction inaction conspiracy of inaction that was prevalent in some circle of the government whether it's the CIA that allowed it to happen that's what I honestly think happened I think I think it was radicalization of Lee Harvey Oswald

because he was involved in multiple super communist groups at the time and he was the perfect person to frame pushing him to do it and then inaction and collaboration between the CIA

and the mob to ensure the CIA wasn't shut down and the Lyndon B. Johnson military industrial complex Vietnam kept going and all that in you know

the Cold War kept going. Big T. I definitely think it was him and I think it was mostly an idea of his own but you said earlier like you said the Cubans and also went over the Russia thing like I think he could have been radicalized

and something like that and possibly even been encouraged by one or both of those governments but as far as like you know the CIA and LB B.J. had him killed. I don't, I don't buy him anything at all. That's the only conspiracy I believe. I kind of, like after reading all this stuff, I can totally see Oswald just it actually all being what it was unless.

Callie, what you got? Yeah. I think you could paint it very easily that at that point in time, depending on your perspective, J.F.K. was the most dangerous man alive. the we talk about it as popularity we view that as a good thing there were people who definitely viewed that as a bad thing being that popular having that much control over the american people especially when certain other people in the government did want to go to war did want to stay in vietnam stuff like that i do think lbj was behind it uh and and uh it's a more tangled web than we were able to to spin uh unspin today

I do think LBJ was behind it. All right. Aaron, what do you think? I remain agnostic about it. I think there's still things unknown. I think there's definitely loose ends that have not been tied up. I'm not convinced he acted alone. I think he shot him for sure.

But I don't think that it was all under his own doing. I think he might have been working with somebody else paid off, even radicalized I'm not opposed to that idea either but I don't think it was just him waking up one day like y'all I can't stand this dude and I'm fin of off him That'd be like that would probably be

the most infuriating thinking just some guy was just like yeah fuck that I don't like the way he was looking Yeah she looked at me funny last time he passed through Dallas so I told myself next time he come through bang bang There's also a whole side of JFK

we didn't touch at all where he was like constantly having sex with Marilyn Monroe, like that side of JFK, very well could have pissed off many of the wrong people throughout just his course of life. Well, I think she was killed because she was having sex with JFK. I don't know if he was killed because he was having sex with her. For sure, yeah, I mean, I guess you're saying it, but I'm more trying to say like the lifestyle he led off camera

could have put him around some seedyer characters than we've given him credit for. He's probably the most bachelory of the presidents. While having a full wife and kids. Him or Clinton. Clinton. Yeah, Benjamin Harrison.

I'll go on the record and say there is a one president that has been faithful. You're, fuck, no. I'm not buying any of that shit. One president. Wait, wait, don't say who it is yet. Not a one? Not, there has not been one president that has been faith. Jimmy Carter?

No, none of them. I like him in his name. of them. Somebody was tickling his old balls, though, I promise you. In office? In office, after office, bro. What about before office? No, like those, like, if you're before office,

before you get notoriety, you're just like a mayor or a senator. You know, you're kind of in the public eye, kind of not. You're clouding that much. When you're the president of the United States, you got on-call booty. I promise you, they're doubling down. You think Joe Biden's going to decide. Yeah, that's what I guarantee Joe.

has absolutely been faithful. Like, I don't think that guy can fuck. I don't think so, man. Maybe not, maybe not physically, but he's emotionally cheating somehow. There's just no way, bro. There's just no fucking way. Just smelling hair deeply count as cheating.

He is a creep, though. That's the one thing. Hey, yo, that's the one thing. We're like, when Republicans are like creepy Joe Biden, and I'd be like, yo, he's doing some creepy-ass shit, though. He do be looking hella creepy, though. Yeah.

I don't know. I can't call it, but I guarantee you. I don't think there's been one president that's been faithful, bro. This is just can't. You can't. Waves. Waves of it thrown at you. All right, that's a good point. Arian just brought up.

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FDR was probably just going down on chicks left and right. It's harder to get away with it. Had them lined up. I don't think so, man. Moving one to another. Then he had to get up. Do you have secret getaways in every place that you go? Like, you don't think you can hit somebody and be like, yo, set me up with a batty at, you know, whenever.

And I'd be like, okay, president, you have a showing today. So you go talk to whatever. And then you have a look. Oh, man. Nah, I'm not buying it. But, like, who's their, like, guy to set that up? There's a guy. Chief of staff.

Secrets, wherever they want. Anyone? There's a guy. There's a guy. You have a guy? It's Hunter Biden. Hunter, Hunter right now is the man with the rolobecks. If you need anything in D.C., Hunter's got you, like 30 minutes or less.

Do y'all think all these friends are here? That would be fire. I bet we could get Hunter on here, talk about it's hard. Try it. I'm with it. Yo, y'all think, y'all think all these presidents is faithful? I think some of them. I think there have been some, yeah.

James Madison. Why? Because he was short. Seems like a total verge. He had the silver tongue goes. Total verge. Look at you making fun of incels, really. This is wild of you, man.

I think, like, Jimmy Carter's a good one. Yeah, I think I can't imagine Jimmy Carter cheating. Hey, man. What's his wife's name? Rosalind. No, you're, I bet they were swingers. They still teach Sunday school. Yep.

And they build houses for houses. That doesn't mean anything. Well, no, but like, they're a very. They're a very, like, good couple. I can't imagine he cheated on her. They're a very good couple, he said. I have a hard time believing Joe Biden. Maybe not now, physically.

Joe Biden is definitely step down. Jim Carrey was slinging it. He was getting some cake somewhere, bro. What about you think Obama was dipping in some strange? Yeah? Or way too small. Oh, yeah. He was, he's like the closest we've seen in, like, charisma since Kennedy.

In my opinion, at least. He had more swag to him. You know, I'm not saying like it was one way or the other. And, I mean, I think we could do a whole episode on Kennedy's, like, what he was really about. Yeah. But, yeah, I mean, Barry O, there are people who don't even think him and Michelle are really married. So I don't even know if you could call that cheating. They, I mean, I can't speak to that.

But he just got way too much swag to say no that much. I mean, and he was, when he got into office, he's a good looking dude, right? So even like, I mean, Bill Clinton, he just, he looked like. a raising while he was in office, right? And he was still getting it under the table, literally. But Billy O looked like a, he was a good-looking cat when he was in office. And even that, even now. That goes to my point, though.

Clinton had so much swag that he was like a fat dude from Arkansas and he was still just, I mean, handing it out. When he got into office, he was a bigger boy. He's wasting. He had that booze away. He was not a small man. They used to always videotape him like in that Rookie Mello face.

He was, yeah. He was like a big fast food guy. Like, like, like, yeah, he was like puffy. That's Santa. Yeah, I don't call that fat. That's like, that's like, that's like puffy. He wasn't fat, but yeah, he has lost in, like, for sure. Got you, got to.

But, yeah, I mean, he's not, he's not what I would consider like a good looking dude. But when he was in office, like, he was, he was getting it in. So it's like, it's tough, man. You still. Extremely on the record. Yeah, he was. He's the one we know for sure.

For sure. For sure. They made a whole HBO series about how on the record that is. Like Nixon, Nixon had been too evil to be too evil. Oh, Dixon. Nah. Oh, actually, Nixon never.

I was reading his book, Nixon, like. I didn't admit to it there. Yeah, he was such an alcoholic. He was such an alcoholic. He couldn't do anything. That's even more of a reason, bro. No, no, no, like... No, he just didn't have the physical abilities.

Yeah, he didn't have the physical abilities. Well, he was just going down on him then. There's no way... And I was listening to a podcast. He would know, he would just get raging drunk and try to nuke China. And then people would be like, no, dude, you drank too much. No, try to nuke China. Sleep it off.

It was the past... In the morning, we can talk about it. Back when Clinton was running for office, and I think even while he was president, him and Al Gore used to go out for jogs, but they would just jogged to the closest fast food place they would run to a fast food restaurant and then eat a shitload of fast food and walk back like wearing all their gear that's the dream you want to see you want to see some ridiculous shorts google algor jogging shorts oh yeah and oh man good luck clinton is someone i wish this was like pre iverson so what did you expect al gore to be rocking yeah it was pretty

bad al go basketball shirts yeah Clinton had some tiny shorts too when they go running oh he got the Euro Jones song. Oh my God. Yeah. Yeah. He got the Euro Jones song. He got a thing, though, in like that air like short shorts like that. You know what I don't understand about this shit, bro? This is what I never understood about this shit. Like, those are shorter than what I wear.

It's the, it's the chafing. Like, don't your thighs be running up against each other. It would chafed. I don't never understood that. Not everyone has like NFL running back thighs. Okay. Tush. The first. So you're telling you, you said their legs don't touch when they run. Some people, mine do because I've been fat my whole life. But yeah, other people, they don't.

The first picture that pops up is them in covered in sweat. It's him, it's Al Gore and Bill Clinton with McDonald's cups. Yeah, that's what they would do. She would just run to, run to the closest fast food place and load up. Do you remember when, when Barack was present and he introduced Kamala Harris? I think he was out in California giving some speech and he was like, and a lot of people are saying, this is the finest attorney general in the United States. And Michelle was like, what fuck Barack like you knew he was dipping into something I don't know if if those two ever but that's not something that like a faithful man just like breaks out on stage that's not a line that you have ready to go I'm telling you man Billy O's getting it in I know I'm probably

gonna get some hate some backlash for that but I just can't see it man I can't I can't see none of these cats even the ones that couldn't get it up like you're doing some kind of freaky fetish that you're always been into that's something you just have too It's just, I don't believe it. Billy? I don't, but I don't know. We're shattering Billy's illusions. All our heroes have flaws, guys.

No, it was, obviously about how Jeff Bezos, like, he, he started, like, cheating, and, you know, he just ended up with, like, he was cheating on his wife with someone who wasn't even, like. What? Like, you're the real. Wasn't what, Billy? But wasn't what? You're the richest man in the world and like this, this is what sets you off the rails? So, Billy, you think someone's sexual preference should be directly correlated with their physical attributes, like their looks, their classical beauty looks? No, no.

What I'm saying is that I feel like this, when everyone says like, like, you know, JFK was getting Maryland Monroe and you can sort of understand that. But I feel like the circles are so small at that, you know, height of power that there's only certain people you can. get away with cheating with. I also don't think that Jeff Bezos' girlfriend is like ugly. She's pretty attractive. I'm not saying that. I just thought. You think that's the only one he was cheating on it with?

I don't think, I don't know. My guy, my guy, my guy had a bunch of properties, a bunch of different places. He was getting to them, Billy. I'm telling you. Also, shout out to the new boyfriend of McKinsey Bezos. He's a school teacher, I think. Good for that guy. Absolute legend.

living oh he oh he's on my buddy who's dating the ex his ex-wife yeah damn she got like what 20 bill or something like that yeah pretty good pretty good catch yeah at least i think it was 60 or 70 it didn't she immediately become the richest woman on the planet like hit ever yeah yep i am adamantly against that bullshit uh her net worth is 62 billion dollars for what fuck out of here right place right time I'm vehement against that bullshit. He's a high school science teacher. And he's now married to me, McKinsey Bezos.

They're married? I would take her last name if I were him. Well, why weren't you? I'm a Bezos. And? I guess she's McKinsey Scott. So the guy's name is Dan Jewett. If I was Dan, I'd be like, yeah, my name's Dan Scott now.

That's me. So fast. The first line of the Wikipedia lists her is an American novelist and philanthropist. Mm-hmm. Sure. She's a best-selling author. both not technically untrue. No, she's a best-selling author.

She's on the New York Times list. It's not first line. It helps if maybe your husband owns the largest bookseller in the history of the world. I'm pretty sure there's a couple buttons he can press in the algorithm to get you in the shoppers also bought list at the pot of the page. All right, so here's how we're going to do it this week because it is Thanksgiving, the best holiday of the entire year. And so to celebrate Thanksgiving, we're going to give you.

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