Macrodosing: Arian Foster and PFT Commenter - Malaysia Airlines Flight 370

Episode Date: March 9, 2023

On today's episode of Macrodosing, the full crew is in studio to talk about Malaysia Flight 370 and its disappearance. You'll hear all the facts and every piece of up to date information on the topic. Even a recap of the documentary that just came out. All of this and so much more on today's show. Enjoy!You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/macrodosing

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Oh, RP to Biggie Smalls. He died on March 9th. R.IP Biggie. Lest we forget. You a biggie guy or Tupac guy? If we have to choose, it's pot. But I respect fully what Biggie did. And I think he made one of the greatest rap songs of all time, 10 Crack Commandments.

Okay, I was going to say juicy, but that's the argument for that one, too. Which is number one, never get high on your own supply? No, that's number four. Number four. What's number one? Let's see. Ten Crack Commandments. I have to run back the whole shit in my head.

Because I know, I know, because this niggas number four. No, you heard this before. Never get high on your own supply. Number five, never sell no crack where you rest at. I don't care if they want an ounce to them bounce. Number six, that goddamn credit. Forget it. You think a crack handpin, you back, shit, forget it.

Seven, this rule is so underrated. Keep your family and business completely separated. Money and blood don't mix like two chicks with no dicks. Find yourself in serious shit. That's Biggie Small. can't remember one now it goes fuck how does it start now's bothering the shit of me now it's just

I'm trying to look it up right now what is number one as Dave Ramsey probably moored at the damn credit I feel like crack's falling off recently it's a hell of a statement okay we actually have a guest coming up in the next couple weeks we can talk about where we're at with crack right now

made me an animal with rules to this shit, wrote me a manual, step-by-step booklet for you to get game on track. Not your wig, push back. Bull number, oh, no, never let no one know how much dough you hold, because you know that Cheddarbury, jealousy, especially when that man fucked up, get your ass stuck up. Here we go. So never let anybody know how much money you have. Yeah.

Sounds like B. You is a Republican. Breaking news on March 9. Yeah, because they'll get tax. They'll tax you for that. Let's embrace debate. Some have the discussion. Biggie was a Trump supporter.

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We're back. We got Arian Studio again. It's been nice to have you here. You got your Louis Vuitton. luggage with you. Man, you had to do that, huh? I mean, rule number one, don't let people know how much money you have.

Unfortunately, there's a website that tracks. That kind of sucks, doesn't it, that there's a website out there, your career earnings are totally public. Yeah, but it's not that accurate. What does mine say? I don't even know. Okay, I'll look it up.

Actually, Big T, can you pull that up for me? I think you've set a number, and I looked up the number, and they were very close. Let's see. It only does on the field earnings, right? Yes. Yeah.

That kind of sucks, everybody knows how much you're making. Well, I mean, in a couple of cents, yes, but in a couple of senses, no. Right. It's a good problem to have, I guess. 37. Yeah, it was around there. Around 37,748,161.

You said that's about right? Very specific, yeah. Why is it 61? Like, who cuts a $61? The Miami Dolphins in 2016, $818,161. No, yeah. Did you get direct deposit or paycheck? I did the director pilot.

I've heard stories about some teams that until recently were using paper checks that they'd write you. That's fucking insane. Yeah. I think who was it? Was it Fitsy? It was some quarterback that was talking about when they got their first big paycheck. They just drove up to like the Bank of America drive-through to try to deposit it. It was like, oh, maybe it's Chris Cooley.

I think it's if you don't know. If you don't know, then you like take, I think you took like a $3 million check. Bank of America is like, hey, can you can cash this for me? What else are you supposed to do? I have a question. How does that work? Yeah, like, why are you supposed to. So normal bank accounts are only insured up to like 250 grand, right?

So do you have, is it in like a Merrill Lynch account or something? I have several different accounts like spread across. But are they like normal banks or like investment banks? Do you have like, you're like considered like special clientele and so there's a lot of rules that get bent. There's a lot of things that they do in order to protect you. A lot of insurance that you buy. A lot of stuff like that.

Do you have to, looking back on it. Are you rich too? What do you mean? Do you have to? What is he talking about? No, I'm not, I don't have that money.

What if there was a website that tracked like what bloggers made? Podcasts. Yeah, podcasters. 75K an episode. More than that. 92,000 episode. But we converted it.

Now we're getting four board apes instead of, we converted it all over. It's at a discount now. NFTs, crypto, we're heavy in that. So we get four board apes per episode and a slurp juice. Which you can then use to make more apes That really fell off quick Is it the Fortnite?

Slurp Juice? Yeah, that's Slurp Juice. Was it? Slurp Juice, it was, I don't know what it was. I just remember when Slurp Juice came out as like an NFT enhancer or whatever At that point, everybody out there should have been like this is all bullshit.

I was so, because I remember when we first started talking about NFTs, me and Big T immediately we were like, yo, this is the stupidest shit in the world. They fell off more quickly than I anticipated. too. I was I wasn't sure about their longevity, but I knew it wasn't going to last. I knew it wasn't going to last. And they'd be still like every now and then you get DM spammed by like with a board ape guy. Yeah. With a logo in his avatar. The reason I have no sympathy for big NFT people is that they were the ones out there that would just be like have fun being poor

whenever you'd be skeptical about it. Like they were dickheads. Absolutely. They were real. Still are too. Real dickheads. Watch. Just watch. It's still going to pop off. I'm like, I'm still hoddling on my my doge coin so hopefully that'll where's that at right now? Oh my god let me look it up how many eggs can you get for your NFT? Oh that I forgot

that I invested in that egg company should I should I check the NFT prices of the ones we sold I haven't even checked them the other ones for yeah like or no just the ones I drew the man of this shit I haven't looked at it in fucking I just

haven't looked like I didn't want to see what happens. It was like it was like six months ago. So good news, bad news. Okay. My, my, uh, my doge investment that I made like two and a half years ago, it's up 1,623%. Let's go. But that's down from being up like 10,000 percent. So it's, it's come back down. The net benefit. And then I also lost a bunch of money on game stock. So didn't we do like come rocket or some shit like that too? Come. Yeah, cummies. I tried to figure out how to buy it, but it was too, you had to go through like nine different sites and do all sorts of stuff too much. It was absurd. It was absurd. But yeah, we've been real quiet from, from the monkey avatar people recently.

Knock five grand off of what I said, Aryan made for a suspension for a face mask against Antoine Bethel on September 17th, 2010. That was the cult game. Yep. Yeah. Did you ever get any like uniform violations? Oh, yeah. Socks. Oh, yeah. Sox all the time. Looking back on her, you're like, I wish I would have just worn normal socks and save $5,000.

in the rules because we crawl so the players now can walk. So like I was always an advocate of like it makes no sense Frank Gore was like this too. It makes no sense why we can't wear our uniform to our liking for comfortability for playing purposes. So like I was always like

we don't need knee pads. So if you look at our knee pads they were like very small but the NFL was like it's I think they still implement it. But cats wear now their pants above their knee where when we was playing we got fine for that. And so we was bucking the rules so that these young boys could do it and look way flyer because the way they the way they fit

it now they'd be looking clean in the uniform guys wear knee pads that are this big and they're a foot above their name yeah it's it's stupid because it's like you know we're all professionals if you want to go out there and not wear pads the onus is on you and you should be able to take that risk as an american big t i agree you know but like your choice my body my choice yeah the neap america is not pro the knee pad thing never made much sense to me like what is it what is the idea, are they thinking it's going to reduce ACL injuries if you have like a quarter inch piece of kneecap bruises on the kneecap bruises? Like that's not a real, as far as I know, that's not a super common injury to have as a kneecap. As a runnerback, my kneecaps rarely got

hit like that. Yeah, the side of your knee may be. All the time. But that, but to put braces or pads on the side of you, they would highly restrict your running. Yeah. Isn't it more for like, like, bleeding purposes? Because like when you get your knee tore up on turf, That's what I always thought. I was to prevent, I think a lot of, like, the NFL wanted it because they just didn't want to see players bleeding on the field. I don't think that's a thing. Getting your knee fucked up?

No, I don't think that that would be their reasoning, knee pads for blood. I think blood is more of an appealing thing. Anytime a player bleeds, that probably brings eyes to the TV. I know, but, like, I don't know. J.J. used to bleed all the time. Everybody bleak. Max Duggan bleeds all the time. He's a bleeder, yeah.

Yeah. J.J.'s face would get tore up every single game. I thought he carried a razor with him my dude Brian Cushing Oh yeah Yeah his nose got fucked up Yeah he fucking headbutted a dude with a helmet off Yeah I remember that

You don't care Psycho psycho shit So Aaron if you had to If you had to redo your career In terms of I mean we've seen like You know The franchise tags are being put out right now

There's crazy money going to quarterbacks Lamar is acting as his own agent right now Which that's probably going to be difficult for him When it comes to like negotiate with other teams all at once. No, so I'll finish your question, but put a pin in that. Okay. And then we'll come back to it.

Okay. So my question for you was going to be, if you had to redo your career, knowing what you know now, would you have played it differently in terms of holding out at certain times, like how to maximize your value, knowing that as a running back, you do have a short window to make your money? No, I played it pretty well. I was always in the, like, the media tried to drum up because I, I won't an NFL Rush to have 2010.

my rookie deal was up. They didn't franchise tag me. They did something else where they could still pay me league minimum. And they did that 2011. I had another Pro Bowl season. And so they could have franchise tag me again, but the way I moved was just so I was never any really trouble.

And so that's, I played my cards pretty well. And even when the media was asking, I was like, hey, your contract years out, like what do you want to do? What do you think they're going to do? I was always like, that's going to take care of itself. It is what it is. And granted, like, not everybody.

can do that, right? But the way I played it was pretty smooth. And I had a good relationship with the front office at the time. So, you know, I played, I played it well. I was a good leader. You know what I mean? I handled my business. I went home. I didn't cause no trouble. I was a joy to be around. And I made the team better. So it made sense for them to pay me. I wasn't a very big liability. One other question. So in 2012, you get a $12.5 million signing bonus. Yeah, I remember that. Do you get one check for $12. Or $7 million or $1? No, I think originally, I think at first you get i had a two men i was in new york when it happened to i that was my first so matter fact this is a cool story i was um i was in a hotel with my business manager um and uh the

that signing bonus hit and the first part of it was two million dollars two point something and i i was like oh shit it hit and i'm just i'm staring at my bank account with two million dollars in it and like this is what you like dream of as a kid is to be a millionaire and just looking at it and I remember vividly like my first thought was like okay not like now what it just it just wasn't the I'm on top of a hill with a pot of gold feeling that I thought it was going to be you know what I mean and so it was it was a it was a very aha moment for me because I was like oh because you know you hear it all the time like money don't make you happy and we do it was an interesting study that just came out about that matter of fact we'll put a pin in that

as well two pins there's two pins but uh yeah it was a very aha moment for me and and and in the sense that you really realize it's just it is significant don't get me wrong it was significant part of my life but um you really you really realize like and especially as the time goes on um like you still have to live your life and money is a it's a luxury but that luxury can only give you so much before but i remember that vividly and so so how long until you got the whole thing uh i think the rest was distributed throughout the season and And so, yeah. So like the first year.

Yeah, I think. I think so that year I made like 12 something. Did you buy anything cool when that check hit? No, I paid off all my mom's debt. I retired my mom. I had to get a car. My man's, the only reason why I got a car because I was leasing. I was leasing because there's this company in Houston that was just doing a deal with me.

I was like, I go sign autographs and then they would lease a car to me. And so I'd never had a car before. And so my first car I got, which I just got rid of, was I got a range roller. Oh, nice. Yeah. That's a sweet deal where you signed autographs. It was dope. Let you have a car.

It was dope. Yeah, you should. Why didn't you just keep that going? I was going to, but he was like, bro, get a car. Yeah, but you could have after they stopped giving you one for free? No, they'd have kept doing it my whole career, but I was just, I think more so than anything, it's like, driving every, I think it was like every Tuesday, driving there every Tuesday and then having to sign out of a smile and kissing babies and shit. That kind of wore on me where I was like, I'll just get a car. Yeah.

Yeah. but you still have your luggage that you bought. Yes, this is the first piece of luggage that I bought. And this was more peer pressure than it was anything else. Because, like, when you go to the locker room, not necessarily peer pressure, but when you go to the locker room full of like millionaires, yeah, you're around it. And you're around it. But you see a higher quality of material stuff, right?

And so my first two years, I had, you know, the Jones you get from, like, Target, like the Swiss bag. I had those for two years in the league. And everybody used to laugh at shit. I'm like, it shit works. But what I noticed over time, I'm like this shit to be breaking. And like so this I've had since 2012 and I've had no issues with except for the zipper. The zipper.

Yeah, it looks a little janky right there. I'm just just one though. You know, the other one's still holding on strong. But other than that, this luggage has held up and you travel a lot too. Yeah, travel all the time. So, yeah, there's a case to be made to spending money on, on nice things that'll last you for a while. I believe there's three things that you should, you get what you pay for. Luggage, shoes, and belts.

Belts. I've never been a belt guy. Belts 100%. When you spend money on a belt, they last. Okay. But I don't have any more pants, so. So then the belt just hangs up on your wall. Leather goods. Yeah.

You get nice leather. It's just quality. For the majority of stuff, like when you pay for it, you get quality. You get what you pay for. Yeah. Don't cheap out on belts out there. Yeah. I would throw beds into there also.

I would agree with that. Yeah. Nice bed. Although my bed now is. is a lot cheaper than my bed before and I'm way happy with it. But I've really realized that I need a harder surface to sleep on than I'm more comfortable one. So that might be a meat thing.

Until recently, I was an IKEA guy all the time for my beds just because it was the easiest to do. And beds break within a year or two. And it's better to put more money into a bed knowing that it's going to last you than to get one that you're going to be sleeping on for like two years and buy another one. There's an old saying it says it's expensive being poor. Yeah. Constantly have to buy shit to buy.

breaks. Yeah, my, my luggage is not good that I have. I just packed a bag. I'm going to Chicago tonight. I've got really two, two things of luggage that I switch back and forth from one is a bag kind of like that, except it's got one of the handles. You know how when you extend the handle to wheel it around? One of those metal rods is completely gone. So it's just got one. It looks like a cane. It looks like I'm wheeling around to the point where people think that it's like a new style of luggage that only has one thing. It's like, no, it's just extremely broken. And then I've got another tiny little bag that people always make fun of. It's the smallest rolling suitcase that you've ever seen in your life. It's probably about the size of like a little bit

bigger than my laptop. And it's perfect for a weekend trip, but I do feel heavily emasculated carrying it through an airport because people are like, what is what's the deal with the tiny bag here? I feel that. So we've got two pens to get back to. I wrote them down. Pin number one, Lamar Jackson just got tagged. He got the non-exclusive tag. He's representing himself in this entire situation. So how that goes is there is nobody that, and there may be an exception, but the majority of cats that represent themselves, there is somebody behind them that understands contractual things. They have a lawyer. They definitely have a lawyer, or they have some kind of consulting body behind them. They're just saying as an agent,

and this is, excuse me, this is true for any agent in general. I, believe the wealth of information is going to cut out the middleman and that's what agents are is their middleman they're a liaison from the office the from one party to the next in a deal and as information is more readily available that need is less and less that's why you see agents percentages dwindling down like it used to be standard was three percent and when I was in league it was three percent and I remember telling my agent you're only getting two and I'm giving one to my brother. And that was like, he was like, well, I don't know if I could do that.

I was like, well, I'll find somebody else that. He's like, no, no, I ain't saying that. I'm like, well, what are you talking about that? And so that's what players are starting to understand. They have the leverage. And so what they really realize is like, do I need an agent at all, really? And you need representation at certain times, but you can just pay a consultant fee and do it yourself or you can have somebody behind the scenes

and give them a lesser percentage than what you're going to give your agent. So nobody's out here, like, going over the numbers by themselves. They say the market is the market. Your play is your play. And you can get a little high, a little lower, depending on how you do it. But you're going to get about what you're worth. I understand that concept. I also think that there might be value to having an agent because they would be the ones

that could, they've got contacts in all the front offices. So when it comes time to, like, leveraging yourself and to finding another team that could potentially bid on you and then using that number to drive up, number of the team that you really want to sign with, that could be valuable having an agent that's making contact with, you know, 30 different teams seeing what that market is saying for you at the time in order to drive up value at home. I think that's only true for the lower tier players. There's definitely use for agents for cats who are like special teams players or on the bubble

roster guys because they were like, okay, I got to contact that, you know, Philadelphia, who you need a special team guy, I got to hit check his family. Like that kind of shit, yeah, absolutely. But when you talk about top tier pro bowl players, pick up the phone and everybody's going to answer it. Are you in the market for a quarterback or a wide receiver? That's an all pro. Let's talk.

It would be very funny to see Lamar just like working the phones on his own. With his Oakley's own? Yeah. How does that impact like relationships with GMs with like if you're advocating for yourself? Because like wouldn't be kind of weird like hypothetically like the situation flipped like, let's say I, for example, I'm representing myself in this scenario and I'm going to other companies shopping myself. You guys would be like, what the fuck?

Like, isn't there that, right, but isn't there that element of where like there's an emotional part where it's like, like a likeability thing and affects relationships? I don't think so. I think in general, everybody in the end in the league understands like, yo, this is business first. Right. And so we got to deal with the business side of it. And part of the business side is some guys want to have representation, some guys want to have representation that's a little less involved, whatever the case may be. For the most part, they understand it's a business.

Now, you're going to have your one-offs where people don't like, you know, personalities and yada, yada, yada. That will always be the case. But in general, I don't think it's something that they harp on. It has been the norm. Having the agent has been the norm. and like our generation kind of started breaking out of that norm. And so that was probably frowned upon then. But nowadays, no, it's just like, yo, let's get the build done so we can play.

I do think that Billy might be on to something, though, that if you're the one that's doing the negotiation with your own GM, your GM is going to give you some bad news and be like, no, I don't think you're worth X, Y, Z. And there's not that layer in between. So your agent can filter the bad news out and make it seem like they're not shitting on you. but if it's just you and the GM they're shitting on you face to face

that I could see that irritating some guys maybe not all guys that understand it's a business but I can see some people getting pissed off about that well sure because I mean that's what when you're dealing with negotiations it's not like well I think I should get 20 well I think you should get 19 they don't talk like that

they'll talk like well you were injured two games last year right and so we had to take that in consideration like that's you know under this under the deal that you're proposing that's 40 million dollars like we can't we can't have 40 million dollars that's how they

talk, right? And so if you're savvy enough to have those conversations with the GM, then you got to be man enough to understand, like, the levers that you're talking with is your play. They're critiquing your play and they're critiquing your personality. They're clicking everything about you because they're investing in you as a human being. And so you got to take emotions out of the table. If you at the table, like you have to do that. And if you don't do that, then yeah, it could ruin a relationship. But that's more on you than it has to do with the actual relationship. But what if you, like, counter that? Like, you're like, oh, you were hurt two games last season.

And then it's like, well, you know how I got hurt because you paid these guys to be my offensive linemen. And they suck. So you should be paying me more to stay here behind that line. And then it's like, oh, you're shitting on your teammates. And it's like, no, well, you just shat on me for being injured. See, I don't think, I don't think emotions get involved like it because it's business. It is, it is business. So you, like, you can counter and say, well, look, look, look what happened in those two games that I miss.

Y'all, y'all, y'all, y'all didn't have this amount of production and wooty-woo. Like, that's business. this like when I'm when I'm not there like y'all don't have as much production that that is the reason why you should pay me that extra money and they'll look at that and take it into consider that's how that's how those negotiations are done that's how the agents do it like when I first was doing my was doing my deal my agent came to me and they offered me 16 million total and we were like you'll get the fuck out of here like that's that's their job their job is to lowball and our job is to is to is to sell that's business and so if you're if you're at the table

you should understand how that shit goes or you shouldn't be at the table you should get representative. There was another case this year. I think Roquan Smith, he represents himself. He was lineback on the Bears. Ended up in a pretty good situation for him. We got traded to the Ravens.

I remember Florio from Pro Football Talk was talking about the pros and cons representing yourself at the time. He was saying one of the pros would be if you're asking for a trade, the agent could be reaching out to all the possible trade teams putting together the structure of the long-term deal

that you will sign after you get traded and then you can let your team know which teams you would like to be traded to if you have no trade clause in your contract which I get you could do that see I don't if you have the time and if you have the drive to do it see the media cats I don't trust anything that they say as far as why it's a it's a pro thing

to have an agent because that's where they get all their information from like all the at chefty all these cats they get in it from agents true all they inside information information is just from agents and so and they pay for that information right you give me $20,000 I give you this tip that's how that shit works so like they have an incentive to keep agents in play right I don't wait did you just break some news there are you saying that chefty's paying for scoops I guarantee he's paying for what that's not even what they pay for

scoops course leroy doesn't pay for scoops oh who's leroy my dog my r I thought he died yeah right but he's he breaks news he's still he broke the daniel jones contract I'm so oblivious to what the fuck y'all talk so so so you That's probably for the best. Wait, so this could be a clip. So what you're saying is that all these NFL insiders are paying agents for scoops? I would be highly surprised if they just have good relationships with guys. It's a business, dog.

Is that illegal? It's probably not illegal, is it? Huh. For information? A consulting fee of ways. It's an entertainment industry. Isn't the NFL registered as an entertainment industry? So how does that get taxed?

That's why it's rigged. How does that get taxed? Is it like a... You have to... It's like a bonus house. You have to claim... You have to... You have to pay money on any income that you have.

I would like to see Shepty's taxes. Yeah. I want to see all these guys taxes. Yeah. The fuck. Open it up. Hold on. Y'all thought they just had great relationships.

I thought it was like a... You know this information. I mean, those agents are getting their guys names out there. And they can craft the narrative. Absolutely. So that's a benefit for them to do it. No, it's a win-win as far as far. But that's why I...

it's incentivized for these these pundits to pump up agents and say you have to have like drew Rosenhaus like why is it like he always on ESPN shit yeah it's marketing himself it's just it would be very funny to me like thinking about like an agent that just signed whether it's day let's say daniel jones i worked for athletes first i just signed daniel jones to a contract at the deadline and then i'm like i got to tell rap sheet rap sheet needs to know about like the first call that you make yeah is to a reporter i but it's also good so like if i don't know if they're actually paying for scoops okay as an agent though right as an agent it behooves me to have it out there that i just negotiated a blockbuster deal because i look like

look what i did yes so they the the the media guys pay me whatever it is i don't know what they deals is it for for scoops like that it's great for me because i look like i'm a fucking deal maker it's great for you because you got the inside scoop first it's a win-win deal on both their answer. They're both incentivized to have that relationship. There's sometimes when Shepty will put out the details of a new deal and he'll list the agents by name. Like this contract was negotiated by so and so. I bet you he'll on a payroll. I would imagine like reporters probably take them to nice dinners and stuff. I don't know about directly paying them. Wow. But but like you just said, you just said like it, it behooves the

agent to have that information out there. And to, if you look, those, those insider guys will often tweet things verbatim. Like two guys will tweet the exact same thing because they just copy and paste it from a text message that an agent sent them. So the agent can craft the narrative and have it out there how they want it. But that means that they wouldn't necessarily need a financial incentive to do that. The financial incentive is in... But not every journalist is getting that information. True. So you would pay for the first dib. So if I have, so if I have breaking news and I'm an agent, I got four guys that I know as soon as they tweeted, it's going to get

out, and that's going to be the running narrative. Like, those guys will absolutely pay for that information. I'm sure. Why wouldn't you sell that? I'm sure they make sense. They do indirectly. I, like I said, I don't have any proof of that, but it would surprise.

So they would choose which insider. Okay, now, now I'm going to, because like, how does, why give it to? Because in my head, I mix up all the insiders all the time. They're all the same. Ian Rapport, Adam Schaefter.

They're like, they're like, I mix them all up. But so like, it's like, who else were you going to say? You were going to say, Darren Ravell?

He's not an insider. What? DeRivel's not an insider. I have no idea. I just follow him on Twitter and these stuff pops up and I don't even look at who's saying it. He's paying MLK's grandchildren for, for access to the, his library of nine or more MLK artifacts.

Like I mix them all up. So they're just paying. to get this. Okay, so it's competition amongst the insiders is causing the payment, not the eight. But when I first was in a league, and for whatever reason, shit that I do becomes, like, controversial.

And so when I first started just existing in the NFL, like, I would have, like, stories out there about me that kind of, like, blew up. And reporters started reaching out to me, like, on a personal, like, hey, man, it's exchanging information. And I knew them. And so I was like, yeah, that's right. And every now in that they hit me,

it's like, hey, do you know what's going on with the wood? And I just be like, no, man. Yeah. And so they try to weasel their win, and I guarantee you some of them getting paid. I can't that shit is probably known. Where's the money coming from? Their pockets are they expensing their, expensing their payments? Probably expensive, but I don't think it's that deep.

So like the ESPN. It could be a business expense, I guess, if you go down to it. But I mean, it depends on how much they're paying. All that shit is up in there. But I guarantee they it's probably not. If they were to pay, what would the market be for if you're a general manager? and you've got one guy that you want to give the scoops to, if it's Schefter, hypothetically.

What would make it worth your while? Is it somewhere it's just like a thousand bucks? Nah, it's probably more than that. Yeah. You think so? For a big one. He has such a big reach, though. But it would have to be a big scoop.

So now he's become the guy. He's become the scoop guy. And so now it's incentivized for agents to go to him. And maybe he's collecting checks now. Hmm. Like, Chefty, I'll pay you $5,000 if you put this in. information out about my client before you publish the GM's narrative. Mm-hmm.

About it. Oh. It's a business. Entertainment is a business, though. You thought guys just out here doing good journalism, fam? I don't know. There certainly is a relationship, but it, there's no relationship. What does chef do?

What is he? There's no relationship. He's just been there and how he got there was just reasonless way into conversations that don't have nothing to do with him. He's good at it. Yes, but like you said, now he's at a point. now he's at a point that now having your narrative put out by him is beneficial to you right so you wouldn't necessarily need to be paid for that like you're getting you're getting a

financial reward in your client's contract so maybe yeah yeah yes but what I'm saying is I don't know they personal deals I that was the premise it is but it would it would surprise me if there's not hands being washed in either side of that trade. Like for lower tier agents, it would make sense for them to go to Chef to give them the news. For higher tier agents, it would make sense for Shephty to pay for that. PFT's for sure texting an NFL insider right now.

I can see it on his face. I'm about to. Do you pay for scoops? I think you're right. I'll give you 20K to tell me if you do or don't. But I think the incentive is inherent in the exchange of information. Like, Schefter has relationships with this guys, these guys to be able to get information, which helps him with his job. And then those guys have a relationship with him to put the information that they want out there.

Sure. Like, it benefits both of them without any money exchanged. But see, I think that's really. I'm sure they, they're taking each other to nice dinners and Shep. Yeah. I think I'm definitely a dinner circuit. I'm going to share about now, right? But definitely.

Okay, so if a younger agent, right? I'm new in the game. And I got a lower tier guy who happened to pop off and he has a big contract. It makes sense for me to get that news out there and control that narrative. Right. But for chef, it's like it's going to come anyway. Like, what's the incentive? Here's the incentive.

Yeah, I can't speak to that because that, I mean, this, that industry you're talking about is like six people. So it's, I can't speak to someone trying to break into that. This was in Jerry McGuire. so if you're if you're trying to break into the industry paying money for scoops is probably a good way to do it yeah that's your is that you guy you get you back he they're always on their phone so not yet that's what I'm saying well they're they're busy this week

because it's yeah franchise tag week yeah I'm gonna get that I'm gonna get the Taylor Hinekey scoop I just know it Larry I mean Leroy is going to get the Taylor Hinekey scoop do you think that is he is he texting from the grave they're giving treats he's working he's working behind the scenes T-bone steak. Yeah. I'll tweet it.

What was the, that was another, um, pen. Oh, does money, money and happiness. Yep. Oh, yeah,

there was a study that came out. Um, they have been studying this since the 30s. 19, that's like, they proclaim it like one of the longest scientific studies of all time. Whoa. And so they've been studying happiness.

And they threw all walks of life. So poor, rich, all alike. And there was a book. I wanted to get it so I could read it for this. trip but it came on Sunday when I left after I left but um so basically I was listening to the to one of the doctors and the authors of the paper and the book and he was basically saying how they're not I mean the because usually you've heard like the $75,000 number like anything

above that it's not necessarily a number is what they found but it's like if your basic needs are taken care of they found no evidence that extra money makes you more more happy above your your and then they had the interesting part about this study was they had famous people non-famous people poor people rich people and one of them he's like we didn't out him i think somebody in this camp outed him jfk was actually a part of the study wow it's really dope yeah and so and so like yeah so they i mean they they they they factored in many variables and they did they do deals obviously you know i haven't read the paper yet but i was just i i saw an interview and I ordered the book, and I'm eager to dive into it, but it looks fascinating.

So taking care of your basic needs, that's not having to worry about that small day-to-day stuff, I would imagine would be a huge boost in your happiness, or at least it removes a lot of common stressors. Yes. But after that, we're all human. We all deal with our own personal shit that affects us equally. But if you have a lot of money, you can also get nice things, go on nice vacations. But that's what they're saying.

That sort of thing. They're saying more money doesn't. There's no correlation to the more money that you have, that more happiness comes from that. That's what their conclusion was. That's very Buddhist, isn't it? Like some monks truly believe that if you have nothing at all, then you're the happiest. Now, their basic needs are met because they live in a monastery, that sort of thing. But I saw two things.

One, on the Buddhist thing, they also just like don't want to want anything. They, once you get rid of that. Your desire. Your desire to do it. Yeah, because then you'll be happy. if you don't want anything. But also, I was reading a study. It might have been the same one.

It was something I read a couple years ago. Not this one just came out. That people, that it basically, who made the money also determines it. Like, for example, someone with $5 million who inherited it is less happy than someone who made $5 million themselves. Say it one more time. Inherited wealth versus created wealth. Oh.

So, do you have an inside scoop? I do. I got a scoop on the scoop game. Did you have to pay for it? You got a scoop on a scoop? What's the scoop saying? What's a double scoop game? I said, settle a bet.

Do any insiders ever pay for scoops? He wrote back, yes. What? Just found out about it, actually. If you asked me this one week ago, I would have said no way. Bang. Interesting. Who's your source?

I'm not going to tell you. I'm not going to tell you. I paid for that scoop. I tried to get free sco. We can pay me and they'll tell you That's wild It's not, it makes almost sense

It seems like a black mirror episode Where every single transaction That you have with somebody On a day to day basis Somebody's paying you money for something Like you hold a door And someone's like Give me my $5 dollars

So it's coming It's coming What would you pay the What would you pay for like In a day to day interaction that you have Like something that you do every single day what's worth laughs if someone makes you laugh

here's a tip yeah man because it would incentivize people to try to make me laugh more because that's one of the funnest shit in the world is laughing and it makes you feel better yeah it makes me feel better increases what is it serotonin yeah a compliment

somebody somebody someone I'm not good with those actually I might dock some points for that okay I'm not good with compliment I'm good with taking them people like yeah I appreciate it also I like I get like I would pay to like hold the door open

for someone else No Like that gives me Like I hold the door open for somebody That's an asshole move I know but like I get it like I feel good about it Yeah but you're being a dick

No no but what? We didn't talk I thought we talked about this When you're far away That's what I'm saying When that's different Okay that's what I'm saying That's it's you gotta be good at it

Depending on how far you are away From when somebody holds the door for you That's an asshole move I've almost stopped doing it Because I've done it for people in New York And no one ever says thank you it makes me mad yeah because you're being an asshole no if you're if if someone's walking behind you and you hold the door open for him that's not being an asshole no that's not if if they're

six feet away or more and you hold the door for them you're dick that yeah if they're far away yes that's different yeah but it's entirely i entirely know it's selfish that like when i'm doing things like even though it's nice for them like but that but that's like the psychology of it Like, why do people donate money for themselves to make, like, feel better? I was thinking about this the other day because I was in a situation where somebody, like, took credit for doing a very nice thing. And I saw that person and I was like, that was a very good thing that you did. You're taking, but you're acknowledging it publicly. It's a little bit selfish, but you still did the nice thing.

When I had done a very similar thing, but I did. didn't make it public, but then I thought to myself, wait, the reason I did my thing too was, like, it did make me feel better. So it was selfish as well when I did it, not publicly. So like you do, sometimes people do nice things, uh, and they do it for a purely selfish reason for themselves, maybe not purely selfish, but it's not, yeah, but you get, you get a reward of being, you think to yourself like, I did something good. I don't think it's, I don't think it's binary though.

I think it could be like a Venn diagram thing where you may feel good because of it but you also know doing it's for somebody else like yeah you know what I'm saying so like it's not mutually exclusive like yeah I feel good because I'm doing good

for something somebody else but I'm still doing something for somebody else I guess what it feels good I mean but like if you I don't know if it feels good but it's not for you like I don't know it's kind of like a drug okay so for example

this is how we can settle with that if if you're extremely happy for somebody you know you just got a new contract i don't have shit to do with that but i'm extremely happy for you makes me feel good that you feel good as a human being that's nothing to do with me that's altruistic yes that is okay i would agree with that yeah for sure but but in the sense that's why i feel like if i do something good for you i can feel good from it but it's not necessarily why i'm doing it yeah yeah okay the motivation makes a difference Yeah. Are you doing it?

Oh, yeah. If you know you're going to feel good by doing it. Yeah. I'm doing it because it makes you feel good. But me feeling good is a byproduct of that. Okay. But what if you know you're going to feel that byproduct? That's okay, too.

Okay. So when I hold the doors open and give up my seat on trains, it's okay. It's okay. Now, if you like raise your hand and be like, check it out, everyone. You know, your old teammate, JJ, we used to bust his balls because he would be a guy that would be like, so an active duty military member on a plane today gave him my seat in first class. Or like he'd make sure that that people saw him doing it so that they would put it out.

I don't think JJ ever, he might have actually. I wouldn't put past him to be like I did this at one point to like set a good example or whatever. But to let people know that you do that, not that great. Now, at the end of the day, the active duty military person is still sitting in first class. To be fair, I've done something similar, but I was trying. to this was in my like love peace and happiness days uh i was trying to like start a thing i did like a r o k random backs of kindness and so i would be like okay today i did this like hopefully

y'all can find some and i do that today i've you know paid for the groceries behind hopefully i do today i helped somebody fix flat tie whatever i didn't for like a week or whatever and after a while people were like you're just trying to be okay yeah i feel you it makes it makes sense to look at it from that point of view, but I can see the other side where it's like, no, I'm just trying to inspire inspire somebody else that might see that and then they'll do their own thing. What does it go? Pay it forward. Pay it forward.

Yeah. I had a coworker who used to, I think, once a month, he would have... I'm starting to finish each other sentences, man. Yeah, it's kind of nice. I had a coworker that used to, uh, it would be once a month. Same, it was like the first Saturday of every month he'd go to a grocery store

and he'd look for like a single mom shopping for groceries and very, obviously like a somebody maybe not single mom but a woman that was there by herself that was shopping for like diapers single after time you know things that's right that's right it was a mill funner yeah and you remember that guy we need to find I would like to hunt the millfoner and see what he's like to do are we talking about the same millfiner I think no we're talking about we're talking about there's two mill funners there's a guy that's who worked on caller daddy that used to call himself the mill funner but no

The original Milf Hunter was a porn star from like the early 2000s, late 90s probably. Slayer. He was a legend. So his whole thing would be he would go to a grocery store or a park and he'd pretend like he was having like a camera that was just following him around. And then he would go up to a woman and then just hit on her and then take her back to his house and have sex with her. Now granted it was probably set up.

Oh, definitely said. But for a while it was like, no, this guy's just got an maculate game. Right, he's like top top three. So we got him, Ron Jeremy, which he's a sleaze ball. Yeah. And then there was another dude. Peter North? I don't know Peter North.

I know dude with the, he, uh, he's the John Holmes. Nah, he's black dude or cat. You probably didn't watch black porn though. I don't. I did, I never frequented the Ebony section. Gotcha. Yeah. That makes sense.

Is that racist? I don't know. Like, we all have our likes and dislikes. John Mayer got a huge kickback for a comment he made like that. I said he won't watch Devinny? No, I forget what exactly. I think he called his penis a clan member. What the fuck?

Yeah, I think he said, I said like, my dick's David Duke or something. What the fuck? And then everyone was like, what the fuck, dude? I think it was John May. That is that even mean? Circling back to paying for scoops real quick, it's not, it doesn't sound like it's common, according to this individual. But there was an instance of an insider. that allegedly did it and this was the first time that my source had become aware of the situation

where it does happen so i don't think it's rampant what a timely discussion very timely yeah not i think it is rampant i think he just he just like to the party might be might be i'd be so pissed off and found out that like that's how i was getting beat if if i had only just paid a thousand dollars i would i think that's more prevalent than not actually i'm thinking about it is like you you go into a game or a system and you think I'm going to climb the ranks by working hard and you realize this shit's rigged rigged yeah that's the it's the majority of all I found in business in general that's that's what it is like the game is rigged against you like the NFL you said it Philly yeah scripts I'm in hand to the script your rookie year you're like what

the hell I'm except by the way I'm working on draft day too I'm I plan how you have you not reached out to me you know well we did we talked about I feel like you undercutting my idea. Okay. You said, I'm working on draft. I'm working. I've been working on it in terms of I've been, I've been sleeping on it. So sometimes if I want to, if I want to come up with an idea about something, I'll let my subconscious do to work.

So what I'll do is I'll, right before I go to bed, I'll make sure that I'll concentrate on that one thing. And then in my sleep, a lot of times I'll wake up and I'll have an idea based on that. Got a little sleepy chef that's doing the, yeah. Yeah, yeah, I got a sleepy chef in my head. And it's crazy how your subconscious, I see the look on Billy's face. Billy, you should try that. No, I do it all the time. I'm like, the hardest worker when I'm just like not doing any work.

I'm like sleeping. Yeah. Yeah, same 100%. Like when I'm sleeping in and I missed the podcast, I was actually working. Just like rolling over some bits. Can we address your lip or do you want to do that? Yeah, they already fucking took photos of it. I had an allergic reaction.

I don't know my lip blew up. And we don't know what it's from? lip filler. I'm doing lip fillers. Well, what is, you don't know what it's from? Well, it's now spread throughout your entire body. No, well, it was my entire body. Now it hit my lip. Right. It's gone from the bottom of your body all the way to the top. Yeah. Are you, is it the same allergic reaction?

I don't know. I'm seeing the allergies on Friday, but I think they're going to tell me that they can't do anything because I'm still taking the anti, getting shot up with tort all and anti-inflammatories. I didn't get another shot. It's affecting your speech a little bit. The lip, I know. Yeah. It sounds like you're drunk. yeah might as well just oh no one'll be able to tell there you go i'll be right back wait are you falling asleep every night thinking about hat man and then that's why he appears in your dreams no yeah i mean they've given me stronger and stronger antihistamines so i'm having worse and worse

fights with the hat man the hat's getting bigger yeah i literally tweeted last night i was like actually thinking last night i was like do i even want to take like what i rather just stay awake itching all night and like being in pain or actually like go toe to toe with the hat man once again my man's having freddy kruger vibes yeah literally i think the hat freddie kruger is based on the hat man he's got that hat is he yeah he's based off a sleep paralysis demon somebody somebody replied to the tweet on that we put out when bill was talking about the hat man saying oh billy's mistaking ticot for his actual life again yeah no but like sleep sleep paralysis like figures is is a very well-studied scientific phenomenon.

Yeah. But you acting like we've all seen the hat man. Well, I just, I guess none of you've had sleep paralysis. I have had sleep paralysis where you think you see someone at the base of your bed. Yeah, you try to move. You try to scream. You can't, yeah. That's not my sleep paralysis experience.

Yeah, what happens when you're sleep paralysis? So I don't see any figures. I just can't move, but I have auditory hallucinations sometimes. Oh. And so, like, the first time I happened, I thought I was insane. it's like I had like this vivid of like lunch uh school yard kids just talking in the basketball in the background and like I'm I can't move and I'm like what the but I was like loud very loud I didn't know what was going on until I explained to me

it's like your body's in REM and it's still in a dream state but you're conscious and I also sometimes have very vivid uh what's it called I forget the exact term for it right now but where you can control your dream lucid dreaming and it's either like the sleep paralysis just got really bad some on these antihistamines but like I can have a really good lucid dream sometimes which is awesome. Did you train yourself to do that? No I basically I used to kind of I used to have really bad nightmares as a kid and I then realized that once I saw a monster I was like oh this isn't real this is a dream and then I would just like think of stuff that I wanted like fun stuff to do like flying I envy that so much.

It's like Inception. You can create your own little world. I have a life hack for people who have sleep paralysis. If you are with a young lady or a young man, tell them about it. And then if, because usually it happens in like, like, I'll fall asleep and I'll feel it coming and I'll get out of it. But then when I fall back asleep, it comes again. And so usually I'll hold her hand and tell her if you feel me squeezing at all, lift my hand up. up and then drop it and that sensation of fall and wakes your body up.

But if you're by yourself, try to fall asleep with your knee up, like sleep on your back and try to fall asleep with your knee up. And then you can move slightly, barely. And if you can get your leg to fall, that sensation of falling wakes you up as well. Because this shit is scary. And so that's a little life hack that I've learned that helps me out. Good way to lose a dream is if you're in a nightmare scenario, just like, think hot chicks. like oh hot shakes

but not everybody could lose a dream it was like when you're on international women's day oh it is huh oh yeah fuck what do you say on that happy women's day

happy women's day Madeline thank you you're welcome sorry thank you for the years that's actually

the best way to it's the best way to wish somebody happy hey my bad Sorry, sorry, sorry for like the whole thing. I appreciate the apology. My bad.

All right, well, I would like to start talking a little bit about Malaysia Air if it's okay with you guys. Oh, big tea. What are you teed off about? Nothing, I don't think. You don't think you got your money's worth as a Biden donor? Oh, yeah, that was like the dumbest. prank of all time you know i hate someone who who i assume listens to this show arian you'll get a kick out of this okay sent a uh an envelope to the office this morning it was a and it says

biden harris 2024 on it and then it says like you're you're now a gold level donor nice that you are yeah love that so that was a sick prank sick prank totally got me you who did it uh i don't know i tracked the package back to franklin massachusetts i don't know if that's i'm assuming that's where the company is that sends these out so I don't know who's in it. A real, a real jokester, though. You know, if he'd actually donated, like, to

the Biden Harris campaign, that would have been more funny than, like, a prank. Yeah. Yeah, then just, like, paying for a prank thing that, like, yeah, I don't know. So you're saying they dropped the ball. Yeah, like, what the fuck? Like, if you actually wanted to, like, trigger it was so dumb, it didn't,

that did not tee me off at all. So not teed off. officially not teed off yeah i don't think um no it's been a it's been a quiet week on the t front all right that's good yeah just in average yeah just just just in general it's a nice little average uh i had something but i can't your teed off c t i believe i'd off whoa what about me wait arian is ad off Whoa, my ass. Too many puns for comfort right now.

So we can get into it and get into Malaysia Air. I got to be honest first before we do. Yeah. I read up on it, so I'm fairly aware of what's going on a little bit. I tried to watch the documentary this morning, but I stayed up a little late last night, so I was in and out of sleep. Okay. And so the funny part is every time I woke up, literally. Because there's three episodes on Netflix.

And literally every time I woke up, it was a Malaysian representative saying, like, we have confirmed, like, this happened. But it's like, that happened like four times. And it was something different every single time. And so when I woke up, I was very confused. Like, why do these niggas keep fucking up? It came out at 3 a.m. How late did you stay up? Two.

Oh, so you watch it when you woke up. Yeah, I watched it when I woke this morning. And I was trying to. And then forth. It's falling back to sleep. Yeah, I was falling back to sleep. Okay, I thought you made you straight up till three. No, no, no, no, no.

You should have gotten sleep paralysis so that you could have slept and watched it at the same time. Work while you sleep. Yeah. Smart Billy. There's a lot of stuff out there about the disappearance of flight 370. There is that new Netflix documentary. I have not watched it yet, but I've watched a lot of other stuff and I've listened to a lot of other stuff about this. But you can watch it on Netflix right now.

It was good from what I seen. I've seen most of the first episode. I watched part of the, The third episode, just because it featured my favorite guy, the Treasure Hunter, he reminded me of like an old Billy, just somebody, there's this dude that just travels around the world trying to solve mysteries. And that's kind of his job. I don't know where he got his money from, but he's just like an adventurer, and that's

what he does. And so he's kind of deputized himself as being in charge of trying to find this plane. But it's a crazy story. And the fact that we still don't really know what happened to this plane where, you know, you like to think that when you step on an airplane, you're being monitored by all sorts of different radar sites, air traffic control. They've got transponders on the plane. They've got all sorts of stuff that should let everybody know at any given time where this plane is. But somehow we lost an entire, the plane was a 777, I believe. But it was completely, yeah, Boeing 77, 77.

This is a big-ass plane. Big-ass plane with hundreds of people on board. 230-something? Yeah, and we still don't know exactly what happened to it. It's kind of crazy in this day and age. 227. And there's all sorts of different theories about what actually happened. We can start with just talking about the basic background of it.

So it was flown by first officer, Farik, Hamid. He was 27 years old. he was still kind of in training the pilot in command was zahari shah he was 53 and he was one of the most senior pilots for malaysia airlines there were 227 people on board from china Malaysia Indonesia Australia India France US Iran Ukraine Canada New Zealand the Netherlands Russia and Taiwan we do recognize Taiwan as a nation on this podcast right in addition to Tibet I think were Tibetan freedom people too. So it took off and it was traveling to China.

So it was on its way to Beijing. It took off from Kuala Lampur and it took off at 1241, got up to its cruising altitude, 35,000 feet at 101 a.m. And then as the plane was entering Vietnamese airspace, when it was being passed off to, I believe, Ho Chi Minh City air traffic control because it's flying. If you look at the map and the direction that it took off, it goes northeast over Malaysia and then it starts to cross the South China Sea or the Gulf of Thailand. I don't know at that point. It's one of those two bodies of water.

They kind of merge in the middle right there. So it's on its way. It's going to fly over Vietnam. And as it gets passed off, and they say good night, Malaysian Air. That struck me. Is that common practice to say good night? It's probably not like the most frequently used thing, but I think it's relatively common. I don't think there's. There's like Merry Christmas on air traffic control gets a little loose. Like not that loose, but like when it's a good.

I mean, maybe it's just the levity of the situation. and good night just sounded really eerie. I think it's because they were transitioning from the Malaysian air traffic control to the Vietnamese. Yeah, that's exactly right. So the pilot that was in charge, Zahari, he said as he was being passed off, so Malaysian air traffic control radioed him and said, okay, we're passing you off to Ho Chi Men right now. And then he answered Good Night Malaysian Air 370, which is still airy. It's eerie, definitely eerie in retrospect.

I don't know if at the time it's like that uncommon. Yeah, I don't know enough about. So then right after it crossed into the Vietnamese airspace, it disappeared entirely from radar. And nobody could reach out to it. Nobody could be contact with it after that point. But there's other ways that we have to track it. So there was a military radar installation that was on the west coast of Malaysia that was able to track it. And it pinged as it was crossing over Malaysia into the strait of Malacca.

So you can think it starts going off northeast, right when it says good night, it pulls, I'm going to estimate like a 230, 250 degree turn. and it starts heading back southwest. And then it's off civilian radar, but they do have a military installation that the Malaysian government initially didn't even discuss because I guess if you're Malaysia, you don't want, you know, it's a multinational investigation at this point.

You don't want all these different countries to know all the details about where your radars are and what they can pick up. That might be the explanation that Malaysia gives for why they were not forthcoming, but they did confirm eventually that their military radar tracked it after it crossed over Malaysia and entered the Strait of Malacca, which is in between Malaysia and Indonesia at that point. And that was the last time it was found on radar. And then after that... That was off course, correct? It was way off course.

So why wouldn't they... It turned around at that point. Why wouldn't they attempt to intervene, is my initial question. They probably know the flight. Yeah, it was probably, yeah, the military radar probably did not know what they were supposed to do. So air traffic control lost radar, so there was no way for them to confirm if that plane was supposed to be on that path anyway. Gotcha. Yeah. So all commercial aircrafts have to be reachable at all times.

That's the rule as a pilot you never turn off your transpond. or anything like there's no reason there's no good reason to turn off your transponder so then it doubles back and that after several hours the plane is marked as lost and then they have to tell people in Beijing like hey we don't know where your family is we don't know what's going on and so then the search for trying to find this plane started and it really hasn't stopped ever since but there's other things that can be used to track where this plane went. So, uh, on board the plane is, I want to, I want to try to get this right. It's a, it's a transponder that was switched off. But there's a company. It's called M. Sur, help me out here with that. Uh, Billy's good at that pronouncing

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apply. So after the pilot turned off the transponder, it was still connecting occasionally to various satellites. So there's this one, there's a satellite system that they use. I looked up, it's called In Marsat. In Marsat. And it's a satellite that tracks planes, basically. It works with airline companies, and it helps give locations. So it pings the plane, like, once every hour or so. So it's not like in constant communication or whatever.

But there's a satellite that was still pinging the plane on occasion. And they can go back and look at the data on that. And it pinged it, I want to say, six times. And it doesn't tell you exactly where the plane is, But what it does tell you using geolocation is it gives you the distance from the satellite. It pings off the plane, goes back to satellite. The satellite can tell how far away. Triangulation.

Triangulation, exactly. So it pinged several times over the course of that night after it had gone off the map. And what it showed was it gives you like six different circles of where it could be on the planet based on how far it is from the satellite. And so that using those pings, you're able to track it down towards the southern part of the Indian Ocean. Right. And then it stops pinging off the satellite. So at this point, it's way off course. At this point, it's way, way, way, way off course.

And allegedly somewhere in like the middle of the Indian Ocean and using the Doppler effect, which is you can on these pings, it can not only tell how far away it is. the satellite but it can also tell if it's going away from it or coming back um based on these like you know uh my new wave patterns wave patterns like if you're it's really cool actually it's like if you're if you're standing on the sidewalk and you and a car is blowing its horn it has a different sound yeah as it's coming to you then it's going away from you that's the Doppler effect and that's how we that's how we measure uh stars and and their distance from us as well okay i didn't know that's that's how we measure the stars yeah so if it's Blue, I believe it's coming towards us.

If it's red, it's going away. It could be flipped. It's been a while since I looked at it. But the color of the star, the brightness of the star, all of that stuff is calculated into how far it is from us and how fast it's receding from us. Interesting. Huh. You're Billy?

I was just wondering if you reversed like the sounds coming to us, does it sound like the sound going away from us? If you just flipped it? I don't know that. So I'm thinking, like, is it individual data points? It might be. Because if it's individual data points that are just like in different iterations, if it stops at one point, do we really know what direction is going? Yeah, because it's the, it's the frequency in which, from my understanding, I think, it's the frequency in which the wave is coming at you, right?

So you can tell speed and you can tell direction as far as like coming to or going away. So that's from my understanding. Don't quote me on that. So with the satellite that's using the Doppler effect, and it's also establishing how far away the aircraft is from the satellite, they said that they tracked it. It was traveling south at that point. After it turned back and circled back on its way to Vietnam, it made like a 200, I want about like a 250 degree turn to circle back, start going southwest. And then at some point it made a turn that was due south. and then eventually it stopped pinging back, and that's when they say that they lost it.

So according to the investigation, that's the data that they used to pinpoint where it was, or the general location, I shouldn't say pinpoint, because you can't, they don't pinpoint it. They're just saying it was traveling this direction, and then based on the pinging from the very last signal that the satellite sent out, they can then extrapolate how much fuel the plane would have had left and then here's a big circle around that last ping of everywhere that it could have ended up and that's all in the southern indian ocean like 1500 miles off the coast of perth australia yeah they were saying it would have ran out of gas before it could have landed anywhere yeah reached land that it was it went to maybe the most remote location on earth in terms like how far

away from from various places you can get so that's that's the um that's the that's the working assumption that the investigation that's a conclusion that they came to but they still didn't find the plane they still don't have anything conclusive about where the plane was except there's this one person that was analyzing just radio broadcasts and transmissions across the world and this guy claims that he can almost pinpoint exactly where it ended up because of just like amateur radio that was being sent across the world you can see where the points of interference were and there was only one plane that was in that area to begin with

on that night because there's no flight paths that go over that part of the world and this guy says using amateur radio data he can pinpoint exactly where the plane was and track it. There's a lot of people out there that think that's bullshit but this guy swears that it's true and he showed the data

I don't think it's conclusive but he claims that they were searching in the area when they did do the search for the plane the initial search which costs a shitload of money by the way to send It was like the most expensive aerial search ever. Yeah, huge aerial search. They actually asked the general public to just like go on satellite maps and to start

looking in the ocean because it's such a big piece. It's an ocean. It's an ocean. It's an ocean out there. And then when they sent out the recovery because they're trying to find the pings from the flight recorder, the black box, they sent out submarines, they sent out ships and they have not been able to find a single thing in this area that they've looked in. Granted, it's a big fucking ocean.

Pretty big ocean. And if you're off by 40 miles in this big fucking ocean, then you're not going to find anything. So then they actually found some debris that washed ashore in some islands that are off the coast of Africa. And there's various beaches there. They mapped like the tidal patterns. And there were some pieces of debris.

I think a, what's the name of the piece that I'm thinking of? Tailway. It's a flap. No, it's some sort of a flap. As an aviation guy, I'm disappointed with Flaperon. It was the Flaperon. They found a Flaperon that they claim was from MH370 that washed ash ashore on an island off the coast of Africa, which would match the title patterns. But it was also found by that adventure guy who said, like, and it was within like a day or two of him arriving there.

And he was like, I did it. I did it again. Another mystery solved for the adventure guy. And then some people think that adventure guy has ties to Russia. But that's, so what I've, what I've just laid out is like, that's the accepted, the most plausible narrative according to the investigations that, that have been concluded. Now let's get in the deep and dirty. Now let's get in the, why did you use the voice? What the fuck was that? That's his deep and dirty voice.

This is like, we're going to the. Yeah. Let's get into the. I was like, you don't understand the deep and dirty life. You're thinking shallow and clean. You're just, you're just reading the police report. Yeah, that's right. You're, you're, I am. I'm putting out propaganda. right now. Cthulhu. From Big Malaysia.

Copaganda. Cthulhu. So the most commonly accepted narrative right now is that the pilot intentionally crashed the plane. And then along with that murdered 220 whatever people that were on board that plane, an act of murder, suicide. So there's the evidence behind that is mostly no other good explanations exist. combined with one data point

or one piece of evidence from the investigation that they found because it would make sense in theory they're saying that the pilot depressurized the cabin as he turned around put him asleep and that put every, they're saying that he locked the co-pilot out of the cockpit.

I've seen this, where did this come from? Like how could they possibly... There's a precedent. was like a German pilot that did this exact same thing. Pilots actually have seriously strenuous mental evaluations. This is something I didn't realize until investigating UFOs. A lot of the reasons why they don't want to- Investigating UFOs.

They didn't want to report seeing stuff in the sky is that they didn't want to have their mental health put in question because they constantly make sure that these guys aren't trying to kill themselves because they might end up killing 200 people on a line. Pilots should be absolutely some of the highest-paid people in the world. Yeah, like without a day. It's a sweet gig. It's a fucking crime.

A lot of them are broke, right? No, I was talking to some fighter pilots, my fighter pilot buddies, when they're retiring out of the military, they're all becoming airline pilots. And like, that's what a lot of their fathers did because you get a sweet deal. You fly a lot. You get to travel the world. They don't get paid enough. I think Aryan is actually right on this.

There's a lot of cost cutting that's been going on. So it's not nearly as lucrative as it used to be to be a pilot. I think you've got to do it for a long time. Yeah, you have to, you have to be. Very, very firmly established. And even those guys, I think they're not getting paid as much money as they used to. Yeah. It's not nearly to the extent that it used to be.

Being a pilot is not there. And if you're trying to work your way up and you're starting at local commuter airlines that are flying you, I don't know, from like here to the Poconos or Buffalo or whatever, there are, you're not getting paid shit. Like there's a lot of people that are almost entry-level pilots that are making $20, $30,000. a year right at the start of their career the median of 135 that's pretty good that's yeah is that for like a major this this just says that that's the median for pilots on uh u.s news they said that was on top of their like flying on top of their pension from being like f18 pilots yeah it was like a sweet gig yeah it must be easy and they're in their like dads are also like delta pilots and they're like getting like getting a job at delta is like the big like the big firm yeah he's well yeah exactly so

So when you start out, you might not be making that much money, but once you're like spirit. Yeah. So it's, uh, the, the theory is that the pilot locked his co-pilot out of the cockpit and depressurized the cabin, which would knock everybody out, which you'd experience in the cabin would be the, uh, the masks would come down, you know, the oxygen masks that they tell you put yours on before you put your neighbors on, those would come down and the oxygen would run out and everybody would fall asleep and die. That's what would happen.

And meanwhile, inside the cockpit, the cockpit would not be to pressurized. And maybe somebody out there can tell me why there's the ability for a pilot to do that to the plane. Just put everybody to sleep. Yeah. Sneaky, what? Sneaky, if there's a terrorist attack on the plane, might have been a good move. Actually, no, they'd had too much time with the auction masks. Yeah.

But the theory is that this guy at that point turned back. they were saying he was going through tough times in his relationship that he might have had some a couple financial issues he needed to take care of but it's not like this guy had ever exhibited any signs of distress or anything like that and then he he doubles back and he continues to fly the plane until he runs out of gas and it's ditched in the Indian Ocean now that's a theory that they put together based on the fact that they have no other theory that that could possibly Because it was definitely off course.

Yeah. And what could happen would be like if the plane went off course, somebody would eventually know that co-pilot would definitely know that something was messed up. The rest of the flight crew. I think they would too.

Especially because the route, the route was a pretty straight line from Malaysia to Beijing. Was it Malaysia? Yeah. To Beijing. It's a pretty straight line. That turn that they had to make

is a pretty serious. So at some point, the stewardess would be like, because I remember listening to one of the stewardesses, or one of the Stewart's wife, who is also a stewardess, and she was explaining that he does that route all the time. So if he knows the route, then he knows there's no hard left. You know what I mean? And you'd be flying over land, too, as opposed to water. So people would definitely know, because the plane should have landed in Beijing.

and so there's people on that plane would have known if something was going on I don't know if I had Wi-Fi on the plane or not but nobody tried to contact anybody from any of the like the the flight attendants didn't try to use their phones or their communication devices right to be able to reach out to the company or to anybody else so the theory is that everybody on that plane was incapacitated to a certain extent and that the person that was flying the plane was the pilot and besides just the fact that this is the only theory that they can put together that could make sense the only real clue that they have to pointing at the pilot was the pilot had a flight simulator that was set up at his house and he would use it to like practice routes that he

was gone you know you're about that life if you're a pilot I guess like you go home you grind it's like a basketball that is wild actually I'm thinking about it do you have a flight simulator and you're a pilot? Yeah, it's kind of weird. It's working. It's like if you're an NBA player, you still go to the gym and get shots up, right?

I don't know if that's the same, man. The flight simulators these days are basically like flying a plane, Aryan. No, I'm saying, I'm saying, I don't know. Like, I think the majority of people, like, when they leave work,

they want to go away from work. You know what I feel like if you know how to fly, correct me from wrong, I don't know much about flying planes, but if you fly, if you know how to fly a plane, you don't need much practice to fly a plane. Like, it's not like free throws

where I can get, get better at this constantly. I don't know enough about... Yeah, I feel like the standard for being good at flying a plane is not crashing. So once you've reached that standard, there's not much better you can do. You've got to maintain... Well, let me ask you this. Aaron, would you rather be on a plane with a pilot that just clocks in, clocks out?

Or would you rather have, like, the Kobe of airline pilots that's like putting in that grind when they get home? I mean, I don't know. This thing it was Kobe, I guess. Oh, that's a horrible comparison now. Oh, gee. You know, that's not. You know, that's not what I meant.

No. Do not fucking clip that. Say sorry. Look at me, bro. Do not fucking clip. That is horrible. Do not. That is.

Well, you don't want to say Kobe, bro. You know what I said Kobe. Kobe was the one that would always be in the gym. That's the best. Actually, that's the best way to commemorate Kobe because that was his legacy. Grinding hard like Kobe. So, yeah. This probably, you're not getting the fucking.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. But like, that's what we met. Nah, read the room, fam. No, fuck that. No. So, anyway. Who is first and last out on the, on the Texans?

J.J. J.J. Watt. This is a J.J. Watt of pilots. J.J. Watt of pilots going home, get rise and grind 2.30 a.m. I'm getting reps in the flight simulator. So do you want the J.J. Watt of pilots or do you choose not J.J. Watt? That's hilarious. If this nigger has a route that's similar to the route that he took and he's out here practicing to kill.

Nah, fuck. Fuck that. Give me the dude. Give me to me of the Texans who works his ass off will always show up in big time moments. But you don't hear from them. It's balanced. Balance. Likes to party?

Yeah. You know, give me a regular human. So I should say that the thing with the flight simulator was so bad that Kobe said. Yeah. It was. It really was. You know what's fucked up is like after I started to say it, I realized that I shouldn't be using Kobe as the. As an example, and then you kept saying, Kobe, and I was like, is he going to put it together?

I shouldn't have gone down that road. Sure enough. I think it's just one of the, I don't know, I think maybe talking about is making it worse. Yeah. Okay, this guy was the buddy Holly of pilots. Sorry, that's a bad one, too. This guy was the big bopper. Houdini.

The Aaliyah. No, Houdini's horrible. Because he's a magician who made. it disappeared. All right. Explain the joke, but it makes it worse. We got it,

I promise we got it. All right. So the problem with this guy's flight simulator, it's not that he had a flight simulator. A lot of pilots do apparently.

It's a normal thing. I would like a fact check on that. I guarantee you a lot of... I'm a pilot and I have a flight simulator. I'm not saying that it's not true. I would like to know the person... If you're a pilot,

please let me know like the percentage of your colleagues that you believe also have a flight simulator. and put in work. Yeah. Oh, yeah, I'd be interested in knowing that.

Like John Stockton. I'm still here. So this guy, in addition to some of the other routes that you practiced, there was one route that he had flown. Yeah. That six weeks earlier. That put him into that location in the Indian Ocean with the plane running out of fuel.

That's flimsy at best, though, to say that that's the smoking gun, right? Because listen, I fly in flight simulators all the time. the amount of places I've crashed into in those things I crashed into Las Vegas last night I did I was in I hopped in an F-15 and I did the tour of Las Vegas

you fly down the strip you go check out the Hoover Dam Do you fly down the strip? Yeah yeah you actually there's one part of it that puts you down the strip and you I was going probably like 600 miles an hour breaking the sound barrier I crashed in the stratosphere last night did but that's sick yeah it was pretty awesome

Does that make me Does that mean that I'm planning a murder of 227? Never will I have been playing with you, that's for sure. Once you're lost. Do you imagine the Patriot Act is looking at everywhere people crash in flight simulators? They're like, You want the,

you want to, you got a list. You got an FBI profile now. It's a possibility. I bet you I have an FBI profile. I probably do too. I know my sister does for sure. We know that.

That's wild. So then you definitely do. Whoa. She's an activist. So she constantly critiques the government. Billy, you probably have one. No. You've done some shady shit.

No, your IPA address is absolutely flagged. Yeah, but it's supposed to go to this show. Totally. It is. It's a good cover. I was looking at adrenachrome

strictly for research purposes, officer. I wanted to see if it gave you gains. So this dude had one path on his flight simulator that they're looking at that and they're saying, okay, this is the reason why we're pointing at the pilot as being the cause of this.

So it's, I guess it's as good an explanation as any that we have right now, but it's far from being conclusive about what happened. So, and also the part in the Indian Ocean, that being where the debris field would, the tides would carry it to these specific shores, you can put together a lot of circumstantial evidence and say this is the, the best explanation that we have right now. That doesn't mean that it's, you know, dead to rights, the actual series of events that happened. So there's some other conspiracies out there about it. One being that there was a hijacking and that the plane was diverted. Some people say up towards Russia. Yeah. Right?

Actually, surprisingly, there's a ton of anti-Semitic conspiracy theories around this. That's surprisingly? No, no. I was just thinking like China, Malaysia. like where does it factor in like but turn but i forgot you know that part of the world is actually very muslim yeah like Malaysia Malaysia Indonesia largest muslim country and uh they think that israel was trying to like do a false flag attack uh in frame iran or like other Muslim states okay so it was the conspiracy theory is that israel hijacked it to frame iran they did a pretty

shitty job of framing Iran if the conclusion is that it's in the middle of the Indian Ocean because of the pilot. But yeah, there's a theory that it was hijacked and one of the theories that I read was actually I think it was Russians, Russian hijackers where it was a because there were three Russian individuals that they flagged as being on this plane that could have had ties to some sort of Russian government. Now that could be as simple as like working for like a finance. ministry or something like that or it could be that they were agents of the russian government and that two of them caused a distraction on board while the third went down underneath the passenger cabin

and there's a way that you can actually disable the transponder underneath the passenger cabin so it's not just the pilot that can do it it's you if you get down there and you know what you're doing you can see that's type of thing need not be public information yeah like i'm okay like we was talking about the other day. I'm okay with you withholding that part of the information from the public. We don't need to know that shit. No, that's like a mechanical thing.

Like you can kind of disable like the lights in a house from the fuse box. We don't need to know. I don't need to know that shit. Well, if you own a 747, you might. It's true. It's a good point. Yeah. There's a bunch of us walking around.

Broke boy. Yeah. Talk to me when you got a plan. I'm going to say this. Hijackings to me are a wild. concept I don't 100% buy them all the time and this could be very little evidence involved but I just find it hard because nobody has any real weapons up there so it's 200 people versus two or three and I just find out like there's nothing else to fight for at this

point so I've thought about this okay and I think you're right in theory it's like there's 200 people you should be able to overpower right the way that an airplane is laid out where everybody's in their rows and you're all looking forward it's very easy for somebody to get up from a seat and run up the aisle without anybody to know that this person's coming until after they're already past you right and then they could in theory get into the cockpit you have a lock in the cockpit door that nobody can break through well then how can you get in the cockpit if it's locked well if you time it so that when a co-pilot is is like walking out to take their break you use

the restroom. If I can disable a transponder and lights under the plane, there's got to be some fail safe to get into the cockpit. There's got to be for this exact reason. There might be, there might be like an override that you can use or like some thing that we don't know about yet. We don't need to know, actually. Yeah, we don't need to know. My solution would be on airplanes. It should be like on certain trains where you're not all facing forward. Some people are facing backward. And that way you can, you've got eyes. Right. The people have eyes. On everywhere, All the activity that's going on that plane. Did you see the guy who tried to hijack a plane recently?

It was literally like yesterday. Yeah, I did see that. That was fucking wild. No, what happened? Like, mentally disturbed guy definitely, like, was saying he was the son of Satan, like, tried to say, try to hijack the plane with a shank that he had made. And he ended up stabbing a flight attendant who I think survived. Damn. But he literally exact same thing.

Once he started yelling, like, all these dudes just were like, Mark Wahlberg time. and, like, jumped him. But that's what I'm saying. I just, I don't know, man. And I think everybody has retroactive superhero syndrome or, like, if I was in that position, for sure. But I'm just, man, we up in the air. I'm already, I'm, it's in heightened. You know what I've seen enough movies.

I have believed the propaganda. Niggas is trying to take planes over. And so if any cause of ruckus, I'm like, hey, you need to sit, like, you need to sit down. Yeah, but you're up in, you're up in first. class fully reclined you wouldn't even hear him sleep that's true the moment you knock over my red wine we got issues though i think he tried to if if somebody was just screaming i don't you know what are you going to do but i think he tried to open the emergency exit door yes yeah if someone started to do that i think it's time to go jump well no you know what no if he were to open that he would have just gotten

sucked out and everyone hopefully would have had their seatbelts on yeah and it wouldn't have been that I'm not trust in an airline seatbelt against a plane going 600 miles an hour with the door. Well, Big T, you should maybe start because there have been instances, numerous instances of like a small, an explosive depressurization where a window gets blown out. Or there's one, you know, latch that's not riveted together correctly where there's a small hole that gets open in the plane. I hate this. I'm flying. And when that has happened, there have been individuals that have. have been sucked out of that hole and people right next to them wearing their seatbelts have not because they had their seatbelt.

Yeah. Just seems like a very flimsy seatbelt. It is an airplane. It's not. It's not. It's like, it's a small seatbelt. And in the instance of a crash, you're dead. But in the instance of a hole opening up in the airplane and people getting sucked out,

you're safe. I hope so. So those seatbelts are built to something different. They are. You know, it's like they're thick. Seabob. Yeah. Just one little thing.

across your lap, though. I'm telling you. Those guys save you. I hope so. No. You go ahead and you fly on strapped. I wear them.

I didn't say I don't wear them. I said, I think I said this before. I think the reason why I started wearing seat. Because I used to be like, the fuck if we crashed, I'm going to die. I wore seatbelt because once I'm hit like major turbulence in a plane like dropped. You know how everybody kind of rises up. My head hit the ceiling. And I was like, son, never again.

Yeah. And so I'm strapped up every time now. Someone just died from that. Really? Three days ago. Four days ago. God, this is the most depressing part of the podcast. On a private jet, it was a government official.

I was reading about her yesterday, and the plane hit turbulence, and she hit her head, that same thing. Jesus. So buckle up. Buckle up on an airplane. Yeah. Couple up in a car, too. Absolutely. I used to be one of them cats, too.

Would you make fun of people? Oh, wow. You fucking, fucking dwee. Oh, a thousand. You nerd? Yeah, 100%. But, I don't know. You just grow up, I guess.

Nothing even happened. I just, after a while, I was like, I have no reason to not wear my seatbelt. I got roasted for wearing a seatbelt in a picture I took in an Uber. I was like in the back seat and I had like a shirt on. I wanted to get a better at that. And I had a seatbelt on and I posted and people like, you fucking nerd wearing your seatbelt in Uber? It's like what's the difference between?

No, because it's New York City traffic. What does that have to do with that? People still die in New York City. That would. What? No, I need to get better at that. I am not good at wearing a seatbelt in Uber. If you're going, if you're going 40 miles an hour, because taxis don't even have seatbelts, right?

Some of them do. Some of them do. A lot of them do. But if you're going 40 miles an hour in New York, which is not unheard of, I go 40 miles an hour down 7th Avenue all the time, down 8th, 9th, West Side Highway. It's pretty common to be going that fast. And you get into a car accident and you're not buckled up. You can die very easily. So yeah, I wear a seatbelt.

So come at me, nerds. No. Shane Gill has had a hilarious bit about that, how people used to not wear seatbelts in college really soft. You're not wearing seatbelts. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. It turns out, like, apparently in the 90s, like, you'd be like, it was a thing. That was my, that was my bag.

Yeah, it was you used a fucking dork if you wore a seatbelt. That was something that I never grew up with. It was always wear your seatbelt. Yeah, I, one time I put on a seatbelt, my friend's dad was like, why are you wearing your seatbelt? I was like, excuse me, responsible. It's your whole dad. Yeah, very cool. Yeah, buckle up guys.

You drive sober? Yeah, buckle up. Fucking idiot. Oh, I remember the first time I got in a car with something. who was drinking it was the scariest shot but I was I was like really young and still susceptible I was like in middle school and some dude was drink was partying with some now I'm thinking about a fucking loser but uh he was driving and he was he was he had a beer and I was like super scared yeah yeah one beer yeah I told him to pull over one beer yeah

I said let me out I was uh I was Trey used to used to be able to drink a beer and drive boys in the hood oh that we didn't play that video oh yeah oh my god that's such a funny video. It's a good video. What's next? Communism? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, where did I see it for? From a logical point of view, what's what would be the harm in having one beer while you drive if you're under the legal limit? What's the difference between having one beer at your house getting into a car and driving? Which is totally fine. You're allowed to do that versus getting into a car, drinking a beer while you're driving. I don't think there's a harm in it. I think that there would be no way to know what beer you're on if you're outside of your car that's true then they

then they breathalize you actually be only before i bought a breathalyzer it's smart yeah i would just i would use it for all the wrong purposes yeah yeah it was it was literally just a party chick who's stronger yeah yeah you faint no in high school in high school one of the cool parents wouldn't let us leave till we blew a certain wouldn't let us like leave a party until we blew a certain amount like not that high or low low how cool is this actually it can't leave to you take two more shots no it was like a sleepover it was a sleepover in the parent like then the next morning the parent was like you i just got to make sure you're all blowing zeros because like god forbid that makes sense you're still drunk all right so so back to uh Malaysian airlines so there's the

the hijacking theory that the plane was hijacked and um and taken landed and Russia is one of the ideas, or Billy's anti-somatic idea as well. And then there's... Not my idea. Not your idea. Then there's the third explanation is that it was shot down. I don't hate this explanation. Really?

I don't hate it. The parts of the airline that we found, there's one part that washed ashore that they say could only be found in this certain condition if the landing gear had been deployed. And that to me, it doesn't really make sense because it's a small piece of wreckage that had traveled 2,000, 3,000 miles in a tumultuous ocean after it had slammed into the ocean at hundreds and hundreds of miles per hour. So the fact that you can determine whether or not the landing gear was down or up based on the location of a switch on one piece of the plane doesn't. You can't say that definitively. Now, quick question. Who would want to shoot them down and why?

Us. Good question, Billy. It could be any number of things. The U.S. has shot down a civilian airliner by mistake before. Look it up. Was it in the Middle East, correct? Yeah, it was over the Persian Gulf. We shot down an Iranian airliner.

I forget the exact year. But it was leaving Iran and it was going over the Persian. Gulf and we had ships that were on high alert in the Persian Gulf because there were conflicts going on at the time. It got misidentified as an inbound aerial strike from Iran or from, yeah, I believe it was from Iran. So it got misidentified, a ship targeted it, a United States military ship and then shot it down. No, you know what? Was it actually from Iraq? It might have. Oh my God, I know the guy who shot it down. He was a private contract.

Actually, he was a private contractor on one of the jobs I was working in high school. And the guy I was working was like, you know that guy? He was working as a ship gunner when he was in the Navy. And they told him, they ordered him to shoot down that commercial liner. And I was like, what?

And you verified this. Yeah. He had all the Navy tattoos. Like, you check's out. Like he had the tattoos of the boat. Good enough. He was like,

I would get that one removed. I would. right no but they ordered him to shoot it down are you supposed to be saying this on a podcast? I don't think anybody's going to know

but yeah he is I don't know but anyway but no you cut that cut that uh it's too light

yeah you didn't identify but he swears that saddam was putting dead body he like his stories it was like fucking Saddam they definitely he load Saddam loaded up with dead bodies I didn't kill those people

but that doesn't really make sense because it was from Iran. It was from Iran Air Flight 655. There was something about a commercial liner in the Persian Gulf in the Gulf War. I would probably come up with that same explanation in my own head to justify that or like some other lie if I was that guy too. No, it was 1988. So it was before the Gulf War. It was before Iraq invaded Kuwait.

So yeah, it got shot down because they identified the airliner as an attacking F-4 Tomcat. So this is actually interesting. When you watch Top Gun, the new Top Gun, great movie. I think it's the best movie that's came out in like 10 years. Fantastic film. Can we go see Cocaine Bear?

Yes. Sweet. I just found out that my plane doesn't leave until tomorrow morning. Is it at 5.30 a.m.? The PM AM? Wait. Wait, Aryan, I have a flight going out of LaGuardia at 6 a.m. Yeah?

Well, you can take me there. Okay. You can go together. Because last time you had an early morning flight, weren't on it i was that was drinking heavily then that's true uh that that was a wild night but uh so i'm not drinking and that that that's my fuck up so wait do you have somewhere to stay tonight i don't right now but i can figure it out i'm saying i'm saying at eric's house you can say in my apartment i'm not going to be there where you going i'm going to go to chicago i'm going to go

buy a house hopefully you already have it no i'm going to go look at a shitload of houses and hopefully put an offer down um but yeah this congrats man the fuck we'll see I haven't bought it yet I mean the fact that you can look I did get pre-approved big T sick so there's that fuck you Dave Ramsey it was so it was during the Iran-Iraq war Billy oh yeah and so that's why that's why we had

ships that were located over there and we're providing probably intelligence and we're putting together all our battle plans in case we had to really choose a side but it was shot down by the USS Vincenis how many people died I can tell you in just a second, there were 270, 290 people died. Now, 274 pass and 16. Is that terrorism?

On our behalf. Yep. So they shot it down accidentally. They shot it down because jumping back to the top gun thing, you know how when they steal that plane at the end, they steal the Tomcat to fly out of there. Fire at 14. Yeah. Yeah, so the reason why a lot of people think it was supposed to be based in Iran

was because we sold the Iranian government a shitload of F-14s during this war because we're back in their side. And so they had F-14 Tomcats. That's the only other country that we've sold them to that would fit that profile. And Maverick knew how to drive that. He knew how to drive it. Yeah. So this was an F-14 that they thought it was an F-14.

They thought a commercial flight was an F-14. They thought an Airbus 300 was an F-14. That sounds like cap. And they thought it was equipped with anti-ship missiles or anti-ship guns or bombs. Now, how you fuck that up? It's tough because you have this thing on every airliner and every military aircraft has what's called an IFF indicator, which means identify friend or foe. So if you're in a plane and you're going to shoot something. somebody down, you can hit a little button that will ping that aircraft and it'll respond to you

and tell you... Is you friend of foe? Yeah. Are you with me or are you against me? Damn. And so our own communications can, they can get that signal back from our own planes. And if it's not one that's responding the right code to you, then you know it's not one of your people.

Right. So they, the aircraft on this had an IFF indicator that identified it as a commercial airliner. But for whatever reason, in the heat of the moment, they claim that they thought it was an F-14. They shot it down and they killed 209 people. Now I remember what the story was. They were, like, his theory was Saddam was sending an Iranian commercial airliner into the U.S. boat to get the U.S. to join the side of the Iraqis. And it was like trying to draw the U.S. into the war. That was the explanation the guy was giving.

gotcha the united states government issued an apology uh so what else do you want like regan said sorry yeah my bad bro but but the official statement besides so regan kind of went a little bit rogue because he wrote a letter to iran after this being like hey we deeply regret what we've done but the uh the military continued to say that they were acting in self-defense afterwards yeah but we shot the fact of the matter is there were two hundred ninety people people from, mostly from Iran. They got shot down in just a commercial airline that you get on. I've got to be top five worst ways to die.

Pretty bad. So when you say terrorism. Is it terrorism? It's not good. I guess it all depends on if it really was accidental or not. I have a hard time believing the U.S. military would shoot down a civilian aircraft intentionally. but also

I don't really see how it could have looked like an F-14 Well, they weren't looking at it visually It was still miles away from the ship when they shot it Okay So it's not like it was right overhead and they shot it down But you said it had the thing that Denoted it was a civilian

It did now there was also Um Something that they did I'm trying to read up on it But just I don't see what I'm looking for Off the top of my head I think that during this time of war, the U.S. government had issued, like, a directive to commercial airliners that you need to have... No flies on.

You need to have, like, no, it's like a certain frequency that might be updated, like, just to make sure that nobody mistakes you for anybody. And there's some, there's some ambiguousness on whether or not the plane had, like, updated all their correct transponders to the wishes of the United States government. But then you can, like, ask, okay, well, was the government... the ones that like if you're in iranian uh airliner and you don't check on a daily basis from what does the u.s government want us to do yeah that's something that could fall between the cracks pretty easily in any country in the world so um it it feels like so the the bottom line is it has happened for we have shot down a civilian airliner and there are other cases when i think it was i think china shot down uh civilian air

that was traveling from New York to Japan back in also about this time period, 80s or 90s, I think it was a Korean air flight. And another Malaysian air flight, MH17, which was also part of another conspiracy theory, was shot down by Russian forces going from the Netherlands to Malaysia. So there's a theory that suggests that the plane that crashed in the field in Ukraine was a lost MH370 flight and not flight MH17, which was scheduled to depart from Amsterdam and arrive in Kuala, Lumpur, Malaysia. And it had crashed after like coming through a time warp and like traveled through time.

Manifest. Yeah. Yeah. Good show for two seasons. Yeah. Then it gets weird as shit, right? I didn't even watch the most recent season of it. I didn't either.

Yeah. It got bad. I think the premise of it is so fine. What a great premise to the show. The first season is amazing. amazing and then it really falls off. It's like a bad bag too. Well, it's like lost, right? I've never seen

lost. Yeah, the thing about lost and like they're good in the beginning when you don't know, but they build up all these lies and mysteries, then you get to the end and you're like thinking there's going to be this big revelation. Like, we got to find out how the plane time travel. We got to find out this

but like there's no good way to wrap up all the intensity. Yeah, there's a way. They dropped the ball. Pun intended, manifest had no idea how to land the plane of that show. But I wanted to say about the U.S. theory that what I read was that this, if the theory goes for the flight 370 that we shot it down intentionally, that they were carrying a bunch of unscanned electronic stuff to China that we didn't want China to have. Yeah. And we had radar jamming planes in the vicinity of where that plane was. So that

That part's true. And so we knocked them off of the radar said land didn't shut it down. Yeah, so that part is true. There were, I think, two U.S. AWACs planes that were in the vicinity. And I forget. What is an AWACs plane? Good question, Aaron. Thank you.

I forget what AWAC stands for exactly. Airborne warning and control system. There we go. So if you ever see a movie where there's the giant plane that's in the sky with a big rotating dish on top of it, that's an AWACs. And so that's an extremely powerful radar that pilots use and ground forces use because it can see hundreds and hundreds of miles in every direction. And its radar can spot small things, like very, very, even some of our best stealth jets, like the F-22, F-35 that we have right now, like the next generation, they're kind of stealthy and it's tough for another fighter pilot to pick you up at certain distances. You might as well be invisible. It's got like the cross-section of a bird on.

radar, but if you have an AWACs plane with that big-ass radar on it, then it can spot you where other planes might not be. So it's a very, very powerful, like, surveillance tool. Yeah. And it probably has all sorts of crazy shit on board that could disable things like a transponder or all your electronics. So that's, it's a possibility. And I'm not saying that, but then I think to combat that, from what we know of the

flight pattern, it wasn't going towards China. it was going to the it was going west wasn't it it's it turned around and went west according to so if our incentive was not to have it going to china for whatever was on it like it wasn't headed to china yeah that could have been an action taken once it became clear that we were after the plane so it's it's in it's in it's in it's in mid dog fight with a u.s well if you well no if you get you know a u.s plane saying you need to land and you're like no and then it becomes pretty apparent that's thereafter you,

maybe you turn around. And so why wouldn't they land if that's the case? I don't know. Maybe the, I guess the theory would be, like I gotta get to Beijing doesn't sound like a good enough.

I guess the theory would be if all that stuff that was actually, like if China, there really was stuff on that plane that China wanted, the pilots, I guess,

would have had to be in on that. So maybe they had a deal with the Chinese or something? There was somebody on board the plane that they made the calculation this guy needs to be taken out. I don't know. And I'm not necessarily saying that the United States did it. There's a bunch of other countries in that area that could have shot down.

And it might not have even been intentional. It might have been like the Iran Air Flight or it was Korean Airlines Flight 2007 in 1983. So I was mistaken. It wasn't New York. It was Anchorage. It was from the United States. Anchorage to Seoul, and it was shot down by the Soviet.

So I really blew all the details of that one. I did know that it was a Korean air flight, but it was shot down because the crew made a navigational mistake. And so it drifted, and it was flying through Soviet airspace at the same time as a U.S. spy plane was going through there. Come on. So they mistook it for a U.S. spy plane, and they shot it down. I'd be nervous traveling abroad for shit like that, man.

Y'all got all these beefs I don't know about. I'm just trying to go taste some different food. Yeah. Yeah, so it's, there's a possibility that it was shot down by mistake. Right. And with the way that the investigation was carried out, it could have been Malaysian forces that shot it down because the, the investigation has been, uh, what's the word I'm looking for, lack of transparency. Yeah. They haven't been transparent with a lot of stuff.

and they've been forced to admit things after other people have discovered that. And it's just never, I've never seen it go well, just not telling the truth about shit. Yeah. It's just, if you're government, like, that just makes no sense. And so the wreckage that they found, they haven't found any evidence of, of any sort of, question about black boxes. Okay, so there has no. Okay.

So the, the flapperon and the other small, small, they emphasize very small pieces that they have found on these beaches. they haven't had any like fragmentation from an explosion but you wouldn't necessarily get that on every single part of the plane right so question about black boxes do we have i don't know shit about planes and you're the plane guy much more than billy and so is it established so is the black box technology up to i guess date because i'm thinking if if black box is a available, if a black box is available, why not put some kind of technology on it? If it goes below a certain elevation, then it gives off some kind of pulsating, radiate, you know, radiate some kind of sound with something to where it's like the last no location was this or

whatever. Does it? It's a good question. So when it crashes, it does transmit frequencies. Okay. That's how they find them for the most part of like a plane crashes into the ocean. Okay. They send surveillance boats, things like that, trying to figure out where the black box is. If it's really, really deep, like this is supposed to be, like, very deep in the ocean, then it can be very hard to find it. And you have to be, like, right over it for it to work. So it may be the technology exists to, like, upgrade them a little bit. Right.

But that's already in play. And they've been looking for those. So there's two things. When a plane crashes, a commercial airline, you've got the black box. That's the flight data recorder. Yeah. And that records every movement that the pilot. puts in all the inputs like if you put your stick to the left a small amount it records that

it records the altitude air speed all that stuff uh and then there's the the cockpit voice recorder which is the other thing that is that in the black box i think they're they're adjoining they might i don't know if they're contained in the same box or if there's two boxes i think they're probably in the same box but the uh voice recorder just records the audio of everything that's said got you and done so what you can do like they the data recorder records everything about the plane so if you recover it you can actually put it into a computer model and it'll you can get like a 3d model of the plane and and what it does and the small movements that the stick is doing yeah so you can determine exactly what was going what happened um i guess like the the the spookiest

or like one of the saddest airline disasters was in russia there was uh There were two pilots that were flying across Siberia, like a very long haul, the middle of the night. One of the pilots got their family up into the cockpit. It's like, hey, look at what your dad does for a living. Flying the plane, isn't this cool? And the plane was put on autopilot, and they put the daughter in first. And then they said, okay, turn the stick to the left, and we're going to let you turn the plane a little bit. and the dad was like secretly

punching in the numbers that just told the plane what to do so it wasn't her actually making the turn it was him just like secretly being like okay bank 10 degrees to the left sounds like a horrible idea and then and then he put it back on course then he got his son into the seat said okay turn the plane to the left and he tried to do it but his son was pulling like real hard on the controls and it overrode the shit that he was putting in and his son put the plane

into a massive spin And ended up killing everybody on board And they were like Trying to like pull his son out of the seat And like let the pilots It was fucked up So you're not That's why you're not allowed to let anybody

Fly a plane besides a pilot anymore Oh my Probably a rule they should have had At the start That's insane though Yeah What a shit and then you kill your whole family Oh God

Yeah That is kind of kind of Talk about a big time screw up Oh my God I could not imagine dog so um back to Malaysian air it's a possibility was shot down and we don't know who shot it down why it was shot down there is that theory that was carrying a shitload of electronics and some of which might have been for nefarious use by the Chinese government but there's again we

we don't have any evidence to support that but we don't really have that much evidence to support I was going to say there's no evidence of anything, really. Yeah, and there has been, so the stuff that's washed ashore doesn't look like it was shot down by a missile or anything like that. This, I think, is covered in the documentary on Netflix. But the Russian government in the past, they have spoofed pings from like the black boxes before. I think this might have been during the Korea air thing, actually. I think when they were looking for the Korea air flight from Anchorage,

Ridge to Seoul. I think that's when the Russian government put like fake black box pings in the ocean to hamper the search to throw them off the course because they didn't want to have the fingers point at them being like, we shot it down. So it could be a possibility that somebody put debris from a plane into the ocean. And there's some dispute over whether or not the pieces that they found, you can conclusively say they were from that one particular aircraft. some people say that it's very conclusive but there's a handful of people that disagree with it so also bill you would love this the adventurer yeah uh in this i'm trying to look up the guy's name um actually bill can you look that up for me the guy who discovered most of the pieces on reunion island for mh370 because this dude is just i don't know where he gets his money from but he just travels all the world i feel like he would actually be a great guest on this show can we yeah once we once billy figures out his name uh this guy gipson american adventure may have found malaysia airline

flights blaine gibson blaine gibson he has he basically is what billy wants to do with his life yeah i'm actually i've actually been planning on doing that that might be my next step just traveling the world solving mysteries yep uh he's a guy that he's been featured in a lot of documentaries he's about to play and some other adventures that he's been on and they never know you know how they put the guy's name on the screen and then his job occupation underneath him nobody knows what to call this guy he's just like an adventurer mystery solver he has he has zero actual qualifications he's just very good at traveling how's he get money i don't know he's definitely if you were like a like you should go do that area no just the fuck

Go look for adventure. I do. See, so you're an adventurer. Sure. I look for it on the golf course. In the media, he consciously styled himself after Indiana Jones with a brown fedora and a brown leather jacket. He portrayed himself as an inveterate adventurer and world traveler who before MH370 had pursued any number of, I don't know how to pronounce this word. Exotic?

It's from Don Quixote. It's chaotic. Keotic. Is it pronounced Kiotic? I don't know, but I'm hypothesizing. That would make sense. Kiotic international quest, including an attempt to find the lost arc of the covenant and an expedition to the site of the Tunguska explosion in Siberia.

That's that giant meteor. He's a wonderful appealing persona. This is from jeffwise.net. Oh, we need this dude on this podcast. So he went to high school in Carmel, enrolled at University of Oregon. He made his first visit to the Soviet Union. Union in 1976 at the age of 19, just to understand what it was like. After graduating, he earned a master's degree in international studies at Johns Hopkins.

And then he worked briefly at a bank before spending three years on the staff of Washington State Senator Ray Moore. And then he took a job with the State Department. Ooh, watch out. Watch out for this guy. Might be a spute. And then he lived, worked in Russia. He was a second American to go to the episode of the Tanguska meteorite. He speaks Russian fluently.

his access to Russian scientists drinking vodka with him they tell me what they really think so hell yeah so this dude just travels all over the world trying to solve mysteries and it's like a school we do

he definitely believes in some crazy shit so are you yeah but like like really out there has the evidence to back it up busy but like he's definitely like when I was at the Tungiski

meteorite that would be it would be dope to have on a show though he's like oh yeah does he have a social and shit I'm sure he does this guy this guy definitely wants to know wants people to know who he is so the interesting part well its entire thing is is interesting um but they don't really have any definitive conclusions as to why it has happened I mean even the the suicide pilot

thing they're not really sold on it's not like a conclusive thing and they've there's no real evidence. And so I think that's what keeps this mystery going and why it's so intriguing is because like nobody actually knows what happened, which in today's day and age is very far fetched. But you know, like let's say you're his wife or his family and you knew he was suicidal. Would you even tell anybody? Hell yeah. I would. Would you even tell anybody but then you're the wife of a murderer as opposed to the mysterious? Would you rather be known as the wife of the mysteriously disappeared pilot or the wife of the guy who killed 280 people I wouldn't care who how it was known I would care about giving the family some kind of peace because imagine

just putting your family on a flight and expecting nothing and all of a sudden they're just gone and there's no explanation as to why I would want if I had any kind of like information I'm like yo if this could give any of them any kind of peace I'm absolutely volunteering that information i don't care how you look at me i don't have nothing to do with it right but that's what the rational thing to do is i i think that in the immediate aftermath you would probably say something to that extent it wouldn't be thinking like you're thinking billy you're actually self you're you're fuck no you billy's being rational in that i like trying to protect the person that you love no i should protect himself and that and yeah and all that so i don't think that you'd be

thinking about that after somebody that you knew just died that you cared about deeply. I wouldn't, if, if, if, if somebody I knew was suicidal and they were suicidal and insane enough to possibly kill and take other people with them, I would be so angry at them that protecting their name would be the last thing I would try to do. I would, I would, I would absolutely by default go to try to ease at any, in any way I could ease the, the tension and the, the, that, that, that, that, that, that, that the person that I knew caused. mm-hmm that's just me though i feel like i mean i don't know what the talking about mental health like is like in malaysia i don't know if they're like an open culture or like an honor culture

where so you know we may not we may not know true yeah i mean we we don't really know we don't know anything we don't really know at all so the one thing that i can say is uh for the hijacking theory if it was a hijacking i was about to say gone wrong but it sounds like maybe a hygiene gone gone right there there would be some group that would claim responsibility for it because why would you go to this extent right and then just not have any there was either a reason specific reason why it was taken down um by somebody uh or it was the the pilot suicide so even the the people that investigated and everything they say there's no evidence to suggest any recent behavioral changes for the private i mean you guys are all overlooking

you know the biggest one aliens the dragon's triangle they come on talk to me about the dragon triangle no it's actually it's unfortunate that he disappeared in that spot because the dragon's triangle is on the complete opposite side of the earth from the bermuda triangle and did we do an episode on the burmina triangle um yeah i think i think we did i've never heard of the actually I don't think we did it maybe we talked about in the oceans episode we might have yeah I don't think we did the actual bermuda triangle maybe we should do the bermuda triangle soon but basically a lot of uh airplanes and ships go missing in both the bermita triangle and the dragon's triangle and they much i'm looking at the the dragon's triangle right now it's in a totally

different spot it's yeah between like japan and yeah but they think something of that nature okay so different triangle go yeah there's a new triangle or the bermuda triangles actually like if you look at where the is this from tomb raider no it's the bermuda triangle is actually real dragons triangle uh no the dragon's triangle uh no the dragon's triangle is like the devil's sea okay devil's sea also known as the devil's triangle the dragon's triangle or the formosa triangle got you the pacific bermuda triangles the region of pacific south of tokyo devil see sometimes considered a paranormal location right but again we should stress this is not the place

where the plane was it's a different babe wake up new triangle just dropped right but they think it has like that's what way is it was it is that an isosceles I'm just saying that's a scaling scaling it's not a good try it's not a good it's not I wouldn't even

people just out here looking for triangles that's fact they're just putting three points together just connecting those lines calling it a triangle I wouldn't I wouldn't can you imagine if this plane did go down in the Bermuda triangle or get lost in there. Oh, the lower would be

insane. So my, actually, my mom's aunt died in a plane crash in the Bermuda Triangle. That's wild. Whoa. And then my mom's cousin just recently went to Bermuda to try to like see if the spirit of her mother is there. Was it?

She claimed to have felt her mother there, but we're not going to save. I don't be grudgy. Talk to who you want to talk to, man. Yeah. Whatever makes you feel. I've got some bad news about Gibson what he's been forced into hiding god damn it by death threats because from this that documented it just dropped no this was a couple years ago he's getting too close to the truth okay

so he's he's in hiding right which which truth because he's an adventure there are a lot yeah that's true dude this guy definitely has the truth he's ruffled a lot of feathers over over his lifetime uh now i should say that the uh the surviving families of people who are on board this jet But they like Blaine Gibson because he's actually been pushing forward to like continue the search because after doing two separate searches that ended up finding nothing, the governments were just like, we can't spend any more money on this. We've invested enough time, enough resources. And it has been the most expensive search ever.

So it has cost a lot of money. But they essentially said, we don't know. We've given her our best shot. And so we'll close the book on it. but this dude Blaine Gibson and some other people that are victims rights advocates they've been the ones that are pushing forward like let's continue to search this dude Blaine brought a bunch of people to Madagascar or Reunion Island to like look for wreckage so they like him a lot and he's doing a good job raising awareness for it so not like a kook he's really out here trying to I think he's both okay I actually think he's both but in like he seems like an interesting guy but he also definitely seems like the kind of guy that would show up and magically he he cracked the case and it's like that's another mystery solve for gl for blaine right and you know he's about that action though he can't deny oh he's he's on the ground there i want to be clear i'm pro blaine yeah i like i like

blaine i think we should we should take everything he says with like a little bit of a grain of salt because he's he is self-admittedly a wannabe indiana jones he reads his own press oh yeah he's got Google a load set up yeah for some reason his hair you know how you can always look at a guy and if he's got like a certain type of hair do where it almost looks fake you don't trust him yeah no you know what i'm saying like like uh uh billy the donkey con guy oh billy um billy mitchell yeah like how you're like is his hair and do you not billy they just i think they might have just debunked his record yeah i saw that yeah and said like this so he's like i don't know just guys like that with weird hair don't like kind of give me fraud vibes so um he does have

he's got an unusual haircut for sure the guy's just what's his name again blame gibson he's a uh unique personality so people see somebody like that and they might not trust him as much so he the first day that he went out in 2016 to search along the shorelines he started to find pieces of the plane so he claims that like he's the one like it just took a little bit of blame magic to be able to to find this stuff oh there was another there was a uh hijacking in that part of the world i want to say ethiopian airlines and uh they hijacked it was traveling over uh mainland africa and the hijackers forced him to fly it to Australia and I might be screwing up some of the bit

but basically that's that's the gist of it was flying over Africa the hijackers diverted it they tried to get him to fly to Australia and the pilots were like there's not enough gas in this plane to make it to Australia and the hijackers were like I don't care you fly it in that direction or else we're going to crash the plane and so he just has to start flying it knowing that there's not enough gas in the plane

and it's not going to make it even half of the way there. Jesus. And so then it crashed next to these islands off the east coast of Africa. And you can actually watch footage because people were on a beach at like a resort nearby. Somebody had a camcorder. Oh, yeah. And he tried to land it Sully style, Sullenberger style, on the water next to this resort because it was out of gas entirely. And he landed it, but the plane flipped over after it hit the water because it's very hard.

to land a jumbo jet on an ocean yeah um and so some people survived but a lot of people died in that but you can watch there's actually footage that you can see the plane trying to land and then what was the plane one of its engines catching you know how the engines hang from the bottom yeah of the wing when the when that hits the water it will spin the plane around and it broke up after impact Jesus um but yeah so there's a lot of different theories about Malaysian airlines Flight 370. It's fascinating, man. I hope they find it.

I hope they figure out what's going on. It's wild that the airlines is still, like, in business. Because you think after something like that in the magnitude of the portion, like, how soon after that do you book a flight with Malaysian Airlines? Yeah. And then Malaysian Airlines 17 happened. That's the one that got shot out of the sky by Russian forces. And so at that point, you're really not flying.

I will never be on a Malaysian airline flight. Are you sure about that? I'm believing the propaganda. You're not going to Kuala Lampur? Not anytime soon. Okay. No. There's also a theory that the one other piece of evidence that they try to throw out there

is that when the pilot was flying back over his home city, you can see a small turn in the plane. And this is like right after the, it was right after the turn happened. So it was like they still had flight data on it. And they were like, why did it make this one turn over this one place? That was the place where this guy grew up. It was his hometown. Oh, wow. And some people are saying that, like, he was tipping his wings to his home.

If you're- Are just reminiscing. Yeah. Yeah. So if you're hijacking or if you're taking a plane on a murder-suicide mission, you're not like tipping your wings. But what Arian just said was like, I-I young town.

You can move your wing down and then, like, you can turn the airliner so that you can look at the place. that you grew up that you're flying by that makes actually more sense that makes more sense yeah yeah and he's just like damn that's where it all started because i've flown over my hometown before i'm like damn man i really came from that you know like i've had i've never flown a plane but yeah well you probably look at it i've had that feeling yeah just being like this is where it all started and kind of where i'm going to end it but much farther away yeah so they this documentary is probably going to have a lot more people asking a lot more questions

about it and they might get another search done but I feel bad for everybody that had family members that for the longest time you have no idea what happened shitty and that's why like it's just I think it's just disheartening I think when we have like so many victims like you got to be transparent with the investigation like regardless of how you feel about how people are going to take it that way when you look back you can have that to fall back on like they said everything that they knew they were transparent as hell and I can give them that you know what I mean because if not then you just like you're not helping them in a time of grief before or afterwards because grief doesn't go

away you just find ways to cope with it yeah and you probably you were probably hanging on for years thinking like maybe there is some truth to maybe they landed the plane somewhere they were held hostage maybe they're still alive you don't know and then the debris starts washing up you kind of have to accept it at that point yeah but if you're if you're a member of the military or if you're in charge of the military that if it was a military shootdown, you probably will never ever admit any of that shit. You probably go through all the lane.

If it was by mistake and you shot this plane down, you would probably go to the ends of the earth to make sure that this information never ever came out. You murdered 200 plus people. Yeah. So anything else that we want to cover? Kind of hit all. pretty much this one's kind of the one conspiracy theory that can't be confirmed everyone's kind of

agreed on like the suicide murder one like besides being abducted by aliens or you know some paranormal activity type thing but the thing is it's not even in the devil's triangle so doesn't even count or like or like the mh I don't know how paranormal activity has a location wormhole It only happened here. Were a whole to shooting out in Ukraine and getting shot down. Why would they shoot it down, though? I don't know.

Because it popped out of nowhere and it's a random, oh, the Ukraine war. This was, yeah. This wasn't like 2000. Yeah. No, but there was a fight. There was a battle going on between Russian forces and Ukrainian militias and shit like that. Even at the time. All right.

Yep. well uh i hope i want to say we got to the bottom of it no there's no there's no bottom that's another bad that's another bad pun you have royally fuck the puns sorry sorry i didn't i didn't even mean that holy shit um what do you mean billy katulu yeah katulu could have eaten okay what is that what is that man uh i don't know around there in the pacific sure did you just make up a what katulu what is a katulu lovecraft what is that it's a giant monster that lives in the ocean. Okay.

And have you guys ever heard of the bloop? Nope. I have heard of the bloop. The bloop. They think Kutulu is like living deep in the ocean or underneath the earth's crust and made a noise that was so big. Do they cover this in the documentary?

No. Okay. This is this is. You're in Israel's territory. No. They think that Kethulu may have like swallowed the plane and dragged it down to his ocean layer. Got it. He's on like the back pages of ready.

Yeah. There's another theory. I forgot to talk about this one. This one actually, between the pilot suicide, the accident will shoot down and this one, I think it's probably one of those three. A gradual decompression in the plane. Oh, yeah, the crack. So if there's a gradual decompression, it would knock everybody out on the plane all at once. It might give a little bit more oxygen.

because the pilots have more oxygen that can flow through their masks if they need to. So if the pilot found out that there was a decompression somewhere on the aircraft, then he would turn around and try to fly it back home. But eventually he would get hit by the decompression. So he wouldn't have oxygen. Then he'd be. So he started making bad decisions. Then he, yeah.

No, it does. It's like if you're climbing around Everest. They're hallucinating and stuff. Yeah. It fucks with your brain. That actually makes, wow. That one to me makes, it makes just as much sense as the suit. Well, don't pilots have oxygen masks up there, though?

They do, but there's only a certain amount of oxygen. And they were flying for hours, though, too, so. And his, his, his, his, his, his, his detour was pretty quick. It was like within the first hour, wasn't it, hour or two? Yeah, so that would, like, if he knew that there was something wrong in plane, what's your move, you turn around, you go back. And so that he might have been trying to turn around and go back. There's no way he loses oxygen that fast, though.

Don't they have oxygen masks for this reason? No, that's what I'm saying, Billy, but there's a, there's not a lot of oxygen. It's not like you have an unlimited supply. It's happened on other flights. There was one that was traveling. It was across the Mediterranean somewhere. And I think it was in the 90s. And the entire plane got depressurized.

And the pilots tried to keep their masks on, but they eventually lost it too. There was one crew member that, like, crawled his way into the cabin. And because they scrambled jets out to see what was going on with this plane that was going rogue and they got close enough to look into the cockpit into the windows and there was somebody in there that was trying to fly the plane but they wouldn't respond to anything that person passed out and the plane crashed but it's like your body different bodies react different ways to lack of oxygen and so um I think the pilots have more oxygen that they can get I like that theory that more than anything I've heard actually that's the the most honest

theory that's like not dark and so that the problem with that would be the transponder got switched off yeah and that has to be that happens fast it has to be intentional yeah yeah okay yeah you try to use the transponder while your oxygen's not working you hit the wrong button you delete a whole podcast yeah it's it's a valid point oh no i switched it off can't contact so you're saying your default is lack of oxygen yeah well have you heard he has a lack of oxygen well i have a buckled septum so when i when i'm talking for long times i can't breathe out of my nose it's actually making a lot of sense actually this is making too much sense yeah so so this dude uh hit the wrong button

and then turned back and then briefly saw his hometown wanted to look at it because he recognizes that even with the lack of oxygen yeah now i'm out it's a lot it's a lot it's a lot it's a it's a possibility it could happen or billy were you saying he was trying to McGiver the but like we have the transponder but we can use the transponders parts to make more oxygen no like some guy with no oxygen was trying to use the transponder and accidentally shut it off and couldn't get it back on okay and everybody just in there loopy at that point yeah I mean it would explain there's really it just happened I think it's happened so fast for me is why I'm out on that one it was like as soon as you left Malaysian airspace didn't everything started going downhill so

rapidly I don't think because he said it he didn't sound he would have said something in the in the time that he was in contact with air traffic control in Malaysian airspace as soon as he leaves Malaysian airspace that's when everything goes downhill that doesn't make any sense if he's sensing a lack of oxygen we'll do it's true this is actually really convinced me I need to get my septum fixed before you accidentally crash a plane no because like what if it's true what if I'm getting no oxygen by the end of these podcasts that that's a great excuse That's a fantastic, like you're not actually to blame for anything bad that you've ever done.

Ever said on a podcast because I couldn't lack oxygen. You're experiencing hypoxia. Yeah. Your entire life. He just lives in the whole hypoxia, a state of hypoxia. Jesus. All right. Well, we got to the bottom of Billy, at least.

So that's nice. Do we have any voicemails that we want to get into today? Let's get it. It feels so good to be here. Yeah, I know. We love having you in studio. anxiety good vibes day yeah okay also big interview coming out on monday yeah we can tease that right dr carl hart dr carl hart one of my favorite interviews i've ever done in my life i love i love that guy

he was very cool he uh he came in talked to us about drug use drug policy uh the science of addiction you know what i loved about it most is when he came in you can tell he was like here we go with this bullshit again, right? Yeah. I have to explain to these motherfuckers why they, what they think is stupid as shit. Like that was literally his disposition. And as he listened to his talk, he loosens up and really starts to get into the weeds of why his research leads into his world view.

Like, yep, I appreciated that. You think he'd come back on? I think so, actually. Yeah, I think so. I think it was vibrant. He liked it for sure. At the start, we got up to a somewhat rocky start because he was telling me about his experiences.

And he said that he was a taxpayer. And I said, thank you for your service for being a taxpayer. he thought that I knew that he was in the military. And when I said thank you for his service, he's like, that's such a, he was like, that bullshit throwaway line. Nobody means that when they say that. Why would you say that to me? I was like, well, I didn't, I did

not know that you were actually. I was trying to make a joke just right out of the bad about your tactic. I'm going to be honest, I don't think he liked you for the first like up. No, I don't think he did either. Yeah. But I think that's like, to the, to my point, I think he came in, because he, I think he does a lot of those interviews and your disposition if you're, if you're

if you're pro drug. is is very antithetical of the societal society's view of it so you're always every interview you do you're always on the defense yeah and when he came here you kind of found out he we didn't have to yeah you know he wasn't on the ropes then he loosened up and then we had a real dope conversation want to do voicemess yep oh also he was a big fan of Aryan that's fact yep yeah how could you not be yeah my name's Dominic I'm calling from Florida was laughing at your Torano episode, you know, I played ball the last four seasons, and I separated my shoulder. The only way I was able to finish the season was because of the tornado shots.

So really a miracle drug, like repaired my entire shoulder temporarily. My question for you guys all, and especially like Aryan and Billy is, once you guys transition from your football careers or your athletic careers and you went into, you know, artistic stuff, did you know that that was the avenue you wanted to go what motivated you and then for everyone else what has motivated you all to go this you know you can call podcasting art i assume this sort of artistic route versus another way thank you all really enjoy the show and uh look forward to listening i'll let you take it first believe you know i don't know why this guy's conflating our athletic careers that you're right man you know you was an athlete and you pivoted man uh I actually had no idea I was going to go into any type of creating. I just sort of was a fan of a podcast and wanted to meet them and interview with them for a, you know, just for an internship. Because I thought it would be like great, like it would be a great experience as a fan of a podcast. And then here I am.

Yada, yada, yada. Then I got bored, they got bored during the pandemic. And I was like, well, that would be fun to do again. and yeah we're so glad that you did I think for me Dominic appreciate you calling in family I think for me I've always been interested

in everything and so it's like I don't care what it is if I don't know it I'm interested in it because somebody like for the simple like rocks for example right you just walk by rocks and you don't think nothing of it But there's somebody so interested in rocks that they spent their entire life researching them, studying them, traveling the world, looking at different kinds, where do they come for? All of that stuff. And so that shit is interesting to me.

And so I made my pivot simply being interested in all of the things because I was so honed in. I had tunnel vision about what I wanted to do with my life. I missed out being interested in the world that was around me. And so subsequently after my career, I just wanted to kind of be a sponge and soak up everything that I could. And in turn, that makes you a very interesting human being. That's what people always say, oh, you're interesting. I'm not that interesting. I'm just interested in like everybody else around me.

Like there's a science and there's a deep passion that everybody has and everybody holds. And if you're just curious enough to ask questions and deep dive into things that you're passionate about, You can, you can, like, the knowledge is free, man. For the most part, the knowledge is free. And, like, you only live in this motherfucker one time. And so I want to know as much about this place before I kick the bucket as possible, whether it's rocks or water or waves of light or football or whatever the case may be. It's an interesting place we live in.

So be interested about it. You know what? I'm going to actually restructure my answer real quick. No, you can't. I killed it. It's over. No, that was a billy answer. I would, like, realistically, learning new things.

things is like a sort of like hearing a new fact hearing something cool finding out something new like is such an awesome feeling like it's like i don't know getting a new wrinkle in your brain is like a high that i tried to constantly achieve and i think it's like in the same way i was described like finding out more about the world i like i want to know everything there is to know Because it's just awesome Billy's a very curious person The one story There's a story that my dad told me

Which I don't believe is true But it's fire So the story of George Washington Carver So George Washington Carver Um The story goes He asked God I want to know all the secrets to the universe

He would say I want to know all the secrets to the universe And God said you're not ready to have all the secrets of the universe and you know god talked back and so he's like i absolutely do i want to know everything about the universe and god said okay if you if you think it you're ready to take on all the secrets of the universe and know i have all the knowledge about the universe he said why don't you just take the peanut take the peanut and study the peanut as much as you can and that's where he said his inspiration came from and because of that he had like over a hundred patents for the peanut the peanut oil peanut butter peanut all kind of peanut stuff

and everything that involved with the peanut because he took and broke down the peanut and there was so much wonder in just the peanut and so my dad told me that started around I was younger I don't know if that's necessarily true but that was I guess the account of it and it's interesting in general I think if there's so much to be like one time I was talking to my stepdad and he is a PhD geneticist and it was just fascinating to me like if you know that much about life, like, I was like, it's kind of like the odds. So I was telling it was like it's kind of like the Wizard of Oz where you go and at the end you kind of see behind the curtain of life. And he was like, man, all I know is I know a whole lot

about very little, which is a fire way to put it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's definitely a lesson in the George Washington Carver thing, which is there's all these things in this world all around us. And if you become an expert on one thing, there's unlimited amounts of things you can learn about that. It makes me wonder how many other. peanuts there are out there like so we've barely cracked the code on like redwood trees they're not even a nut yeah they're a lagoon right yeah peanuts are legumes yeah that's a big one but there's so many things out in the world you can look at any anything like jaguars you can look at uh pine cones you can look at any seashells if you become like just an expert on seashells you just study

this one type of mollusk or whatever there's endless amount of things you can learn about about that one thing that has not been discovered just yet. I looked like we're lighting a fire under Billy right now. They love pinecon. Billy's like, oh, my God, there's so much stuff to explore. Yeah. That's what's really dope about it is like somebody has spent their life studying something minuscule like that and it's transformed into like, you know, the technology that we use

or whatever the case may be like, it has led to so much creativity and so much thing. And that's, to me, the beauty and why I pivoted the way I did. did was just like I just got interested in everything though like I'm fascinated so I love hearing people I love having guests who are experts at something and just picking their brain or like how did you get to this conclusion like what how do they see the world it's interesting shit mm-hmm great question Dominic do you want to talk about why you podcast no this question was why I switched my athletic career and he said everyone else he said everyone else at the end too I didn't you had an athletic career uh yeah I did play division one

rugby for several years not to brag this was only for Toridol users sorry yeah I'll move on you actually don't Thorold I actually yeah I got an injection of my rib Oh that's right Dudea Billy I shared the wonder

The Thoradol The Johnny Apple seed of Toridol Just spreading its wonders far and wide Going to the extent of he'll actually injure you to make you try Toritol You gotta try this Yeah no you got to try this All right here

Also, I spelled Torado all wrong on the graphic yesterday and people got mad. Do you think I know how to spell Toradol? Well, the beauty of that is people will just say that Billy wrote the graphic. Right, that's what I love that. Yeah, love that. I was like, do I look like someone who would have heard of that more? I love that. All right. What's up, guys?

It's Nick from Massachusetts. Everybody, you're all handsome, Aryan and Matt Doug. You guys are beautiful. Facts. Nick, stop. Hater. I'm about a month into recovering from an ACL. surgery. I just had a question for

Aryan. When you have an injury slash surgery recovery like this, how do you stay positive? How is the best way to get through it? I just keep telling myself not to get frustrated. I just didn't know if you had any tips.

Thanks guys. Love you guys. Listen to have a show. Take it easy. Peace. Yeah, my nigga sounds so sad, man. I know. Well, my guy, Yeah, I've had many injuries over the years, and I think that is not talking about enough is the mental aspect of getting over a physical injury. It's tough.

It's not easy because you're incapacitated. And so I think I just took it as I get some time off, right? I just get to relax and family, you get so much sympathy loving. You get a lot of sympathy loving, man. And so I say exploit that. If you got people around you that love you and want to bring you, hey, you need some food. Absolutely take advantage of all that shit because it goes away as soon as you can walk in. But I think just in general, man, you just have to stay the course.

Like, it's not easy. You have to do those annoying, like the rehab stuff. Like you have to do that, stay on top of it. But it's just the process, man. You know, at the end of the day, you're going to get better. It's just an ACL. It's not a heart surgery. People got it way worse, man.

And so it's, it's always, that always helped me out in my life in general. It's just like, you know, no matter how bad you got it, somebody got it worse. You got ACL. Time will heal it. You'll be all right, but just keep plugging away. With my limited experience with injuries, I was always frustrated that you had to do nothing for it to progress. But that isn't necessarily true. Just try to improve blood flow to the area of the injury as much as you can, be it stem, be it ultrasounds,

and just keep doing it and it will get those stem cells rejuvenating it will get like the IGF1 there to help you heal and that like I was always able to recover faster doing that but like it's annoying that sometimes you actually just have to do nothing

yeah and that was the worst yep right one more voice man this is Ian from Toronto South Carolina originally but now Dallas Texas and I'm so freaking excited because I've spent my entire macro dosing life trying to figure out the perfect voice mail for the voicemail segment

and if i come i better come correct and i've got it my god macrodurges if you had to leave a voicemail for the macro reducing voicemail segment what would your voicemail be i like that that's a good question i like that i like that you can tell he's thought about this yeah Hmm Big T, how big's your dick I'm not saying I'm not asking you What an odd response

I'm not kind of weird dude I'm not saying it That's kind of weird They guys got size 17 feet I'm not asking him that question I'm saying if I were a listener If you did it If I did it

That would be my question Just whip it out No I'm not that's not me It's not me again This is the voice man This is like You can go to HR and file some second harassment

I might file it for big T I'm not asking him I don't want to know But the voicemail I'll settle for one Part of my takes worth of From you Well when you said I'll settle for one

I was so curious where he was going with that I'll give you one ball What would I I don't know, man I would probably ask Okay I'll ask everybody What

Were your expectations going into this show And what has transpired Along the way Into how you feel about Each other and the show in general I would say the same thing I think Like something about like how do you actually feel each other?

Yeah. We're not going to answer that question. No, I didn't say it. It's not me. It's not me. It's a good question. As if I called into the show. Big T.

Billy. I guess if I didn't know Arian, I guess I don't know Arian. I guess I don't know that I've ever asked you this question anyway. Well, I'm answer. What's the coolest, like, really rich person shit you've ever done? Um. I don't think it's something I've actually done, per se, because I'm really kind of lame when it comes to that.

I don't, I'm not like, like, I don't stunt like that. I guess the, I guess the, the, the, the doper shit I've done is just having fuck you money into where, like, I, I exude that, right? So I don't, I don't, I'm not like, fuck you, but it's just like, I don't, I don't, I don't have to like... Just being able to do whatever you want. I can do whatever fuck I want to do. Yeah.

And it feels really good. And so that in turn has turned me into a really good person, honestly, because it's giving me a lot of empathy. But it's especially people who are assholes. When people who are assholes and they don't know that you have fuck you money, that's one of the best feelings in the world. And you can be like, right, shut the fuck up talking to me. And this is why.

Nobody can make you do anything. That's sick. I don't want to, yeah. I would fuck you money. really do you think you get more empathetic with fuck you money yeah i don't have it yet source you got source on it trust me bro i'd probably ask how much of this i probably think a lot of the stuff that we do

was scripted and i'd be like how much of the stuff that you guys do is scripted versus actually just occurs no you can't script this i know you can't as we've found There's so much stuff that has not been scripted has been, has done so well, like, I'd be like, like, did he really delete the whole video? Yeah, people, people ask me that. They'll be like, Billy didn't actually delete video. I'm like, oh. No, there's a button. There's a button right there.

He's sitting in the chair right now. I've had anxiety for four hours. Don't touch anything. I'm not touching. Oh, he is in this in the. I'm not touching anything. We need to give you a fidget tool. When you go over there.

No, I fidget you. That's what I'm saying. When I'm podcast, I just fidget with the. Headphone cord. Yeah. Mad Dog. Yeah, I'd probably ask something similar to like Aryan. Like, how do you, are you guys friends in real life?

Or like something to that degree. Do you guys like each other? I like that type of thing. No. I think that's one of the best parts about this being a remote podcast is that we're all together. We want to spend time with each other. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Yeah, except for PFT. You always got shit to do. I'm sorry. Cool. I was actually thinking about a dope thing that we could do to, like, expand YouTube content in yesterday's. Me and you are, like, polar opposite human beings, right? But, like, when we go to sporting events, like, we're, like, fucking best buddies.

I've always said to people who, like, we'll argue about shit on the show. And I'm like, every time I hang out with Arian, like, he's the coolest dude ever. And I do genuinely like you. Same. So, like, maybe we should just, like, go to, like, ran. random, like, sporting events. Like, I'm going to the Big East tournament tonight. You want to go now that you're not leaving?

Oh, you got an extra ticket? I can get one. Talk to them, Big T. Just got to fuck you, man. They're like $25, but yes, we can. Yeah, I might do that. I'm going to pull up. I'm going to let you know.

But, like, I'm talking about, like, yeah, shit like that. But also, like, we'll go to, like, cockfighting Jones in, like, some foreign country. Shit like that. Can I come? Yeah, you can't just be a big tea and you think. If we go to cockfighting. you can come. Yeah, but I think

we sell this as a big teen area the opposite the track. Listen, if you want to... We need to heal the country and I think we can do it through us. If you want to go to a bunch of games, I'm down. I don't know. I think it's a cool thing, man. We'll watch out. Watch out. I think you've also learned that through, like, you

like hockey. I do. You like baseball in person. But also it's like I like these things because it's like I don't know about them. And so like while we're at the games, I ask a million questions. Aryan discovering, uh, we, he didn't know who Connor McDavid was and we told him like this kid's like, he's better at hockey than anyone else is at any other sport. Like he's unreal.

And he was watching Connor McDavid highlights and watching him watch somebody be awesome at hockey was really funny. This shit's fine. That man is, that shit's crazy though. That shit is. That's cool. I love watching, uh, YouTube videos of people experiencing things for the first time. Do you guys ever get into that genre?

Have you seen the kids who, uh, Seeing and hearing. Yeah. That shit makes me emotional as fun. When they put on the hearing aids for the first time. And they just fucking cried. It gets me every time. I was going to say the kids who listen to like Phil Collins and shit for the first time.

Yeah. That's good too. The black kids. Yeah. It makes me like, this she goes. Yeah, it's two black kids. And they listen to Dolly Parton for the first time.

And they're like, oh. Yeah. Yeah. I watched the couple of them Jones. Yeah. And Eminem songs. Yeah. M&M songs, too.

But people getting to hear for the first time. That's good. I guess it's a good thing All right, good voicemails today from us as well All right, so we will We'll see you guys on Monday With Carl Hart

Dr. Carl Hart And then Yeah, big tea That voice smell though was very good No, he killed that That was a very good voicemail He killed that And his vibes were high

You could tell it meant something to him too So shout out to fuck I forgot Ian Ian, shout out to Ian Dallas That's right All right We'll see you guys

next week. Love you guys.