Macrodosing: Arian Foster and PFT Commenter - Martial Arts ft. Dale Brown from Detroit Urban Survival Training

Episode Date: March 1, 2022

On today's episode of Macrodosing, we have on special guest Commander Dale Brown, who gives the crew everything they need to know on self defense. You'll hear everything from his early beginnings to what he would have done if he were in Big T's shoes during the incident. Also, PFT had been holding a secret in for a long time that finally gets revealed. It's worth the wait. Enjoy the show! Interview start (2:15:00)You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/macrodosing

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everywhere online. He runs the Threat Management Center in Detroit, Michigan, and he sits down and talks to us about his life's work, all the bloodshed that he's prevented and stopped, all the criminals he's disarmed, and yeah, we get into it. We also have some real life, real world applications for his training. for Big T, just in case Big T finds himself in another standoff in the office against any co-workers. So stay tuned for that. Going to be a good interview. I think it was like an hour, right? I think we're penciled in

for a half hour, but this guy's a talker. He is a talk. I feel like he's a guy that if you do an interview with in person, you just have to just straight up interrupt him to get in and to steer the conversation. And I did. Yeah, I had to do that too a few times. I realized after like the first two answers, that he was not going to stop unless somebody, like, gave him an active signal. I didn't a lot of the first question I asked him, I forgot what I asked him. He kept talking. I was like, I got to ask my second question. At one point, I found myself thinking, when was the last time somebody asked a question?

I know. He's been on this answer for 12 minutes. But I learned a lot from him. Hopefully you guys did too. But it kind of fits into our overall topic for today, which is martial arts. We'll get into martial arts in a little bit. I want to do check in and see how everybody's doing. doing today.

Arian's out on the West Coast again. So it's super early for you. Yeah, I got on at 9 a.m. Do up? Did you go to bed last night? Still thinking about drinking, though, huh? Did you go to bed last night? Yeah, I went to bed.

Well, you sent us a text to the wrong group chat about dinosaurs, and that was at 651 a.m. Eastern, so that was 3.50 your time, and then you sent shit, wrong group at 9.01 a.m. Meester, so that was six year time. So at what, and then you're doing this interview at nine. So at what point did you go to sleep? I don't sleep much, man. I'll get like two or three hours a lot of nights and then like I'll nap during the day.

And so it's very sporadic, man. I'm in a weird period of my life. So, you know. I do love though. I was, go ahead. I love that Arian's got two separate group chats. We're sending like a meme about dinosaurs not being real still plays.

That's just, that's just how you always are. I love that about you. I thought you were sending us a big tea. I woke up. I was like, who was wrong? I assumed it was big T too. So my man got another group chat with some buddies with my real good friends. My little key group together.

One of them said yesterday, the funniest shit in the world, dog. There's these people that are called, what do they call? Where they just see, I'm going to find a term for it. But they just see patterns everywhere, right? Let me see. Oh, yeah. apaca something man yeah they come up with like conspiracies and stuff because of that

yeah because they just see patterns everywhere man and so he sent this this like meme where he was like it makes a lot of sense though he dead ass serious and the meme was Ukraine's flag is blue and gold the Rams the Rams logo the Rams the Rams are blue and gold

Uh-huh. Ram, the Rams, the Rams, uh, mascot is a ram and, and is the star sign is Aries, spelled differently, but Aries is the god of war, right? O.B.J scored the first touchdown on, I think it was on the three-year-ar line on third and three, three three, three, three, he was like, he's like, I'm not saying it's drop season. It makes a lot of sense. I'm like, nigger, this makes absolutely no fucking sense. And so we start clowning them about

about how dumb it is. And this whole page is full of conspiracies like that. Like, wild, wild shit. Like, they connected the bagels being in the Super Bowl to Tiger Woods' car crash somehow. It was like, wow, duh. And so on that page, he was

saying how dinosaurs wasn't real. And one of the dudes in a group doesn't think dinosaurs real. I was like, look, man, you're a good company, though. That's incredible. That's fascinating. We were absolutely so wrong on you. At least I was on Ukraine and Russia. The Russia wasn't going to do shit.

Yeah, we were like, Russia's going to do shit. Said that about six hours before they did shit. Yeah. This show is on a role in terms of saying things that end up happening. The thing is if like, it's crazy that I don't know. I mean, some of the stories coming out of there. are i don't even care if they're propaganda like they're yeah you just be tweeting man you just be tweeting anything dude but like the thing is this is like father party takes out six jets with

one stone i'm like nobody what a bad at billy came up to me last week and he was like big t did you see this story and i was like yeah i i was gonna blog it but i'm pretty sure it's fake and he's like i'm gonna blog it and it was um it was there was a picture of a line in ukraine like a long line and it said their hands handing out machine guns and javelins to any citizen that wants or RPGs. They are, though. They're not giving them javelin missiles. Yeah, they are.

That was actually true. On Thursday, we've got like my editors group chat. Someone's always keeping an eye on like the drafts, like who's, who's starting what, like what, especially during war time. We're on high alert. And I think it was hub. It could have been Nate, but I think it was Hubbs sent me. Billy Football is editing comparing Putin to Hitler.

That was the whole title. There's no text in the blog. Glad something went off in Billy's brain to stop. Oh, sorry. You know, the only thing that was on the news and on the internet was Ukraine. And actually, out of everything I've ever written about, geopolitics is probably one of the thing I've actually most qualified to actually write about. Yeah, but you don't have to compare every bad thing.

to Hitler. There's other things. I mean, there was a bunch of parallels with a piece of the bad Russian things. You could compare it to. I went into the drafts and, uh, searched Billy's name. Here are his drafts that have not been completed comparing Putin to Hitler. Ukraine is giving citizens, RPGs and machine guns. And Ukrainian woman yells some gangster stuff at Russian soldiers. She literally, the sunflower seeds. Yeah. Yeah. That was cool. I mean, the thing is even if, oh, I saw, I saw one today. That's such bad misinformation. I, like, like, basically they said that there was a zookeeper in Ukraine who's letting loose tigers on Russian soldiers, which is just totally a lie.

Like, that's, I was like, okay. What if that one was true, though? Yeah, like, imagine. So, y'all got to catch me up. The ghost of Kiev was fake, right? No, no, real. No, it's still unclear exactly what happened. Billy, one thing, this is your first war.

There's just a lot of shit that's going to happen. and it's going to be pretty much impossible to verify any of it. And so everyone's just in like a rush to believe the stuff that they want to believe that comes out. I love how you frame it. I believe this is your first war? Yeah. I got to take a slower. It's also anyone's first war where video game technology matches what cameras can do.

Yeah. Yeah. So it's like the misinformation's on whatever it was during fucking. World War II, it's a million times harder to discern what you're actually, like, seeing, seeing with your own eyes has become more difficult than any other war in human history. But the story with the ghost of Kiev, I don't even know if I'm pronouncing that right. Kiev is that he shot down six planes in 30 hours. And the reason why he was able to do that was he landed for two hours for lunch or something.

And then he got going again. That's still pretty much impossible. Like, it's so, that's such a hard thing to believe happened. What a long lunch during wartime. Yeah. Oh, is he French? The plane was getting refueled. That's what they did.

That's because they were saying, well, six planes. They're playing like, six planes like only has this many missiles. So it couldn't, he couldn't have shot down all those with one. Anyway. Yeah. Sounds like somebody just did some like rudimentary math. It was like, there's no, there's no plane that Ukraine has that could shoot down six jets at once and then somebody was like it was a lunch break that he landed all right

you know i don't i mean the thing is if we're you know spreading propaganda it only is helping the ukrainians which i think is well we don't know that's the thing it might seem like it's helping the ukrainians right now and helping their morale well if they're like spreading it then that's what they want no what if what if putin goes oh shit they got really badass fighter pilots i need to nuke them now and it's all billy's fault yeah or if i don't think he's on twitter so he actually Get more woke, Billy. What if he's on Twitter? He actually is on Twitter.

I tweeted that we should de-platform Putin on Twitter. So what if this ghost of Kiev is actually a Russian sciop and they, they created him either to justify further escalation or they created him so they can then capture the ghost of Kiev and have just like some actor in Russia playing the hostage of the ghost of Kiev. And he's like, yeah, let Putin do whatever he wants in the hostage. video just saying just saying keep your eyes open yeah but one of those badass things i mean it's we shouldn't glorify no no there's like there's nothing i know there's nothing cool about what's happening at all right um but whenever they capture russian soldiers they just give them all cigarettes you saw that is that before they shoot them is that what they're doing no they're not shoot them that's that's a huge war crime okay that's typically what you do though is like you give somebody

their last cigarette i think that was in that was in band of brothers right it's just i think i've seen a lot of cartoons actually yeah you put the blindfold on them i'm genuinely asking why would that be a war to kill prisoners of war that are captured war crime is an oxymor right like if you're if you're anti-war it's just the whole shit is a crime though the whole shit is a crime yeah if you shot him before making him a prisoner you're good yeah like that's why it's insane to me it's like you captured him. You captured him now he's out of bounds. It's a timeout.

It's like execution. Like you can't execute. I don't know. It's weird. Yeah, there's a lot. I can drop a bomb on a church. Yeah. So I'm saying like a casters war is not a war crime.

But if you capture it. It is fucking stupid. It is stupid that there are these laws around war that the, uh, that makes certain acts like that actual crimes and against the law. Who's enforcing these rules? The Geneva Convention, I guess. The dude is in Normber. But it's so, it's so.

tough to prosecute anything like that. You have to prove all sorts of stuff. America has war crimes on their belt. They'll never get held accountable for. Every, every major country in the world does. It'll never get held accountable for. I saw, to say war crime is just stupid. I saw there was,

not saying y'all are stupid. There's a lady interviewing Condoleezza Rice on Fox News. I think it was yesterday. And the lady goes, well, I mean, Russia just invaded a sovereign nation. That's a war crime. And then kind of Lisa Rice was like, yep. Mm-hmm. It's like, wait.

Yeah. Wait. Are you the same? Condoleet? Are there two Condoleezer Rice's here? That's former Brown's head coach candidate Condoleezer Rice is. Yeah. But yeah, things have gone things have gone kind of crazy. I'm actually like I'm more scared today than I was last. I wasn't really scared because it's all theoretical. But then you start watching more news and you start seeing more like experts talking about what the next steps are and Putin I think is I don't know I'm not a psychological profile he's an irrational actor but he seems like a fucking lunatic right now that's at the end of his rope he just basically from what I know about the guy he just wants to restore Russia back to this USSR because having all those satellite states on their western

front gives them a nice little buffer against a potential invasion because they put Moscow right on the border like a bunch of idiots i mean i'm just going to say i don't think anybody wants to invade fucking russia no like what do you want their soviet architecture that's like legitimately just terrible like no one wants to take over russia yeah it seems like that'd be a real chore we got bang on buildings man it seems like it would create a lot of problems like a lot of stuff it's a it's a unnecessary shot at like architects this is just like i've ever seen their heart out on the blueprints no soviet soviet architects have you seen so of you buildings.

Dude, red square is pretty nice. I was going to say, they've got some cool architecture. I can't make a building better than that, fam. I doubt that you can't. I know, but they constructed it legitimately to just look. It's like a box. It's like a,

all of their buildings look like prison. That's not true. Not all of them do. Yeah, I don't think so. They've got crazy spires and shit going on. Yeah, but that's in like two places, right? And then everything outside of that is just these.

It's a big country. I think they've got other stuff there too. I think maybe that. That's what makes Russian government so... You played war zone, right? Yeah, that's crazy. Okay, now look at all the buildings around that. Dude, look at fucking New York City.

Like, what are you talking about? I don't understand. I don't understand. It all went back to you played war zone. Like, that's an example of Soviet architecture in war zone. Yes, it is. But you know, you're right, Billy. They all they build and stuff.

No, I'm just saying, like, Russia's not a very desirable place to him. Like, I guess they have the, they've got to type in, type in Russian architect and just look at the images and like, I think you're bugging. This is some dope-ass shit. Russia's got some good stuff. Look up Soviet, not Russian, look up Soviet architecture. It's there, I mean, just the classic, like, buildings you see in the Live League videos are the Russians climbing on top of them like so high up. Oh, the bridges? Google will look, we'll look better than Hudson Yards.

Every single. They've got great bridges there. that people climb up fire fam fire yeah but that's like that's a monument what do what how do you define architecture well you see how it's all that like concrete yeah it's called soviet brutalism so yeah bill really funny bill you a funny anti concrete yeah i mean soviet brutalism i look like you know who'd really know a lot about this andrew luck like we're fire bro yeah i i think that there's something to be said though that like it's just but how you see that Russia they their country is so fucking big and there's so much that you have to like preside over if you're trying to run the place and

so much fucked up stuff that's happened in the past with your systems of government and the genocides that you've had and uh all the different like competing interests it really sounds like a big chore to run the place like if i were Putin i'd probably lose my mind too there's no chance and i mean no chance he's running anything to the east No chance like he he is not he does not care like what is it two and a half miles the United States is from from Russia like the tip of Alaska or Fairbanks whatever the fuck it is Is it really? Oh wow he doesn't give a fuck about anything that's happening what's that Siberia he didn't give shit about anything it's all woods no he's like yeah you can tell you it's it's woods it's uh like old nuclear test sites out there and probably a bunch of old gulags that have been abandoned yeah so I think 80% of their population lives um in that On that side of the Euro Mountains. That is what most of Russia looks like.

On the Moscow side of the Euro mountains. That's the majority of every city in the world, dog, is you have slums and you have buildings where people live. Take the train. Take the train from Boston, New York. That's all you see when you get into New York. That's not. No, I'm just saying America does it.

America does it better. No, they don't. But this is all that they have. We have pockets of really dope buildings. And then we have a whole bunch of, like, section 8 housing we have a whole bunch of like regular neighborhood but that's even like average architecture like this is like sterile that's what I'm saying like seeing an old house is different that picture literally looks like the Bronx it looks it looks like when you look at near

Yankee Stadium I will I will give it to Billy that their architecture overall tends to be on the bleak side I mean what I'm saying yeah what I'm saying is not seeing what I'm not seeing what those fucking like is this is this because is this is this No, I'm just, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, like, there are, there's beautiful architecture in every city. I mean, in every country in the world. Like, and I think to discount it, for what? No, I'm just saying, like, that's a lot of Russia is just because it was, you know, a one class society. Like, all the buildings all look like that because it's equality.

I also think because it's like constantly graying in the sky in Russia. He's banking on communism. I'm not, but that's why I think you're going hard for Soviet. No, I'm saying, I'm saying fam. You said they don't have good architecture.

Demonstrably untrue. Then you brought it down to, well, the Soviet brutalism is thought to be bad. Soviet brutalism like is, like, renowned to be like a shitty, you know,

because it's just concrete. It's bleak. It's brutal. confused. Do you think that like Section 8 housing is like this greatly designed architecture? No, but if you would, I don't know what I'm saying like

But there's, there's variety in the U.S. Like There's variety in Section 8. In Section 8 housing is variety Bro I'm out, man. I want to give it to him this is a Billy Masterclass. I grew up. This is what we come here for. Shut up, man. Dude, I'm just

say, look, I mean, have you Have you ever been to like any any major state college town in the United States, they all have the five same identical apartment complexes, and they all use some. They're name the same. They're all the same names. It's like, it's like Sunchase.

The Ridge. The Ridge, yeah. Hunter's View. Yeah. Quail run. Man said there's variety in Section 8 housing. I need to find the people that all run these apartment complexes. But there's like, yeah, well they're, you know. Like literally every SEC town, has i'm trying to remember what it's called but it's literally like uh in knoxville it's called

the knox and like in uh wherever athens it's called like the athens or something like that's so do these like what colors are these apartment buildings uh they're usually yeah they're usually like a tope is there different is there's just a bad art it's such a bad argument i'm just saying there's different billy that picture you said listen Listen, go to Mexico City or go to Brazil, and there are slums filled with different color shacks. What you're saying makes no sense, though. People talk about the flavelas being. Also, I know that's, let's not even take it to these extremes.

But flavelas in itself are like, people take pictures of them in like the. You're saying, is your point, our poverty is more diverse? Is that what you're saying? I think Billy just fucking hates Soviet architecture. It's, it's, this argument is like, people. all say like oh yeah Soviet that that was the whole joke during communism like oh yeah like you really want to go

by you know what's behind the iron curtain like a bunch of concrete buildings that suck that's I mean I probably just argue like did you guys not know about this? You're not wrong but it's not exclusive to Russia that picture you said looks like the Bronx

there's um there's something this is all dovetailing from the conversation about like the Soviet Union right now Russia would be a tough place to govern. Right. And I think it makes them unhappy, makes them want more. Like, I wouldn't want to be the ruler of Russia.

In fact, I probably wouldn't want to be the ruler of just about any country, but especially Russia. And I feel like Putin is in this position where, because he's been around for such a long time, going back to the 90s when he was in the KGB, where he just, he looks at it and he says, have to be the strongest, most aggressive person or else somebody else is going to kill me and take my job. He has to make it- Commander Brown. Yeah, he has to have everybody else in fear of him. So he's like, I got to do something crazy. But what scares me now is that now that Ukraine is fighting back as first reported by Billy

football, the Soviet, or excuse me, the Russians, they've got a shitload of these tactical nukes. So they don't, like when you compare the nuclear. of Russia to the United States, they've got a decent amount. They don't have as many as we do. But the majority of their nukes are these tactical nukes that they'd use, like, on a battlefield. If they see, like, a giant encampment of soldiers that they're trying to take out or tanks launch a small nuke at them. And then if they launch a small nuke on the battlefield, then the rest of the world would probably have to respond by nuking some of their nuke sites. And then

they fire more of their nukes at like cities in europe then we have to fire nukes at their cities and then before you know it like yeah millions and millions and millions of people are dead yeah world war three billions yeah but we don't have to nuke their nuclear sites we could just bomb them we could so it's not a good it's not a good situation to be in it's no what if what if we just started calling them the soviet union again like they don't get any more land but if we just if we were all just like no listen we heard you it's it's ussr again i think he'd calm now i saw someone uh he was either on reddit they said why don't we just give why we just give putin an nfti of ukraine yeah so he technically owns it yeah sure yeah

or let him into nato just hey you're you're in the club now but i mean i don't think because remember that we're talking about the spot his head of spies Putin was like undressing one of his top intelligence agents and like yelling at him that guy was a little bitch well the thing is I don't think anyone under Putin wants this war I mean think about it like

you know like everyone just right below him like even the Russian shoulders who've been captured they thought they were on a training exercise and they didn't realize they were actually invading somewhere I think they're probably saying that because they don't want to be killed

as their prisoners they're like yeah we want to go back well the Ukrainians are letting all the, and also the Russian soldiers are all like 18 year old kids. Right. Like you saw those pictures of the first guys got captured and it's like that's a, that's like a junior in high school. How do the people of Russia, like the citizens

of Russia feel about it? They're protesting the whole thing. Yeah, I feel like they don't want the war. Well, right. I saw like something though there are like Russian imperialists and apologists but overall in a majority, the

normal citizens of Russia are also anti-this. Yeah, because if you're a Russian citizen, you're day-to-day, like, you don't give a shit about Ukraine. You don't hear something like you don't feel like you need to start a war with me. You don't want like your son's daughters to go there and fight in a war against them for something that's not, doesn't have anything to do with them. It's just for the glory of the Russian empire to get that land back to make them harder to invade in the future.

I saw one woman who was getting interviewed who it was really interesting to me. perspective was so like on the side of Putin I get she said well Ukraine is is Russian land we would never attack them because like they're they're Russia so she was like

so far on the side of Putin that she was like oh we'd never do that you know how it's advertised they're saying that a neo-Nazi regime has taken over the Russian ethnic Russians in Ukraine basically being like Ukraine is Russian, they're the Russian people living in it, but their government has been taken over by neo-Nazis who are slaughtering like Russians. It was really weird because

The Jewish neo-Nazzy. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, they said that, yeah, the president was like in charge of a neo-Nazi regime. And I mean, as always, there's grayer and there's like truths to even some of the lies, which is like there, yes, there are some really shady characters that are in these militias in Ukraine and have been there for a while but I don't think that like that's that's Putin just saying like okay here's another way we can justify

it we'll say that it's neo-Nazis that are running UK so that's how he justified what he's doing the special military maneuver is what's to liberate Ukraine is how they're painting it and then then what else you guys? I stand with the leader

of Finland and all this I think that she's got a good head on her shoulders she seems like bog Yeah. I will go wherever she follows. Billy was considering joining the Ukrainian army over the weekend. That should surprise nobody. Well, there have, I mean, you know, we're joking about this.

They're hiring. They are. They're paying like 3K like a week, I heard, for foreign nationals who come over. If you go to the Ukrainian embassy, they'll get you on a flight to Budapest and then you go on a convoy to Ukraine. Pretty wild. You're, they give you an AK-47, a helmet. You are romanticizing this. I know, I'm not, I'm not.

I support it, Billy. It's just like, hypothetically, you could. Are people doing that? Yeah. A bunch of Ukrainian, like, the Ukrainian Orthodox churches are all sending, like, the kids who live there. But they're negotiating, I think, up in Belarus. I think they agreed to have some peacetime talks.

So hopefully, hopefully they get to, They just sent in the Chechens, and they're real, they're a real nasty bunch. Put it lightly. I thought it would have been over, like, I thought Russia was going to steamroll them. Like, I thought this was like Alabama versus UMass Lowell. They're in a trap game. It's more than that. It's a trap game.

Like, Ukraine is now, as far as I'm concerned, like, in Internet, like, they're now what I thought Russia was last week. like they are that good they took the next step they're walking they're fucking the video of the guy smoking a cigarette i know it was a pressurized landmine that he could not really have set off that's easy to say from the other side of the planet you be the one holding the fucking mind and pretend like you're you're not shit in your pants and i think you just walked it back to rush it like we didn't see the end of that video he just walked that shit all the way back if these are the people that you're going up against so you're not going to beat those you're just never going to beat those i mean clitchco i mean seeing the the images

glitch goes yeah both clitch goes the mayor of kiev and then also seeing like the 80 year old women shooting guns like i haven't i haven't seen you haven't seen that they're like 80 year old like super old ukrainians who since they are so old they don't give a fuck so they're like yeah like we're gonna defend this country for our children and we're going to head out there and kill like they said that there was like like a 80 year old man who's like going after russian soldiers like in Like one, one V10, like a whole Russian unit, just this 80 year old with machine gun. All right. So again, I'm going to, I'm going to say, that's, I, that seems like that's definitely, that's definitely cap.

That's definitely cap. But the idea of this, like, 80 year old just be like, I'm going out in flames, like, is insane. The idea is cool. The idea is. We don't know if that happened. We don't know. It probably, most certainly did it. But the idea is cool.

It's just, you know, rooting for the good guys, the underdogs. all right well we are a pro ukraine podcast we're anti-war podcast how about that yeah i'm gonna say that i don't really fuck with any government like that i don't like we've we've gotten to a point where war is so catastrophic just like the the technological advancements we almost need to and the powers would never agree to this but it really should be one v one like i'm not saying it's going to be Putin versus a certain guy but like you name your champion uh like it has like i don't see otherwise it's just way too much like the videos of russia just blasting into the night sky and like wherever those shells land they like that's so

fucked up to me like if you pick your guy you you set the terms one v one uh you want to fight one of the clitch goes be my guest um that's how they used to do it huh that's how they used to do it no i'm aware but like that's where we need that's why i said we need to devolve back to it like we've we have too many evolution like what we have now should be reserved for the aliens like it should not be used on huge people that occupy our same planet is what i'm saying the craziest thing is i can't believe like that you know russian soldiers are able to like get like bring themselves to go after ukrainians like they're literally the same exact people Billy, let me tell you about this thing called the Civil War

I know, I know, but like I thought we literally progressed to the point where, you know, it's crazy. It's a funny guy, man. You know a funny guy. He's an optimist. We all thought that World War III, like we as a world had gotten past the point of like ground wars of two literal nation states going at each other. Who thought that?

a lot of people there's wars going on we just got out of afghanistan like everyone we weren't fighting we weren't fight it wasn't two countries going to war with each other it was it it was that's how afghanistan sought so yeah right but the way you justify it he's going after insurgent groups not that's the way you justify for sure right right so that's not what happened but like in the post nuclear world they never thought two nation states would go after each other again who is they i just if you read like political uh i mean polys literature like if you read polysci theories living in the post nuclear age is way different than you're you're telling me academics yes and the literature said there's never going to be another nation state war when when

there's literally a nation state war raging right now right not this one i'm talking it's just and Israel like I just that's hard to be right but the pal the palestine Israel thing is still considered to um be uh insurgency in like it's a different dynamic i'll bring over they fight over land i'll bring up the exact uh yeah but how it's how it's phrased writer who billy's not wrong that's how it's phrased the phrasing's wrong i disagree with the phrasing but that is how it's phrased how was the phrase like of course it's too like of like in actuality it is invading another country but the way the phrasing that we're dealing with an insurgency is different than two state sponsored armies going at each other especially in a post new no one thought that a nuclear power would go to war with another nation state to risk all out nuclear war and honestly you could say that Putin is liberating like you could frame it that way but it's straight up just let me pull up the exact uh right pro putin now is that what we just said no no no he's he said he said he said the

propaganda could could phrase it like that which i have no doubt that russian propaganda is saying that i mean it's what we is what we do we're we're we carry the banners of liberators everywhere but it's to occupy yeah foreign territory for resources And Ukraine has just signed an application to join the EU right now. This seems like it's really backfiring on Putin quite a bit. Like, no man, nobody with it. He was, he overplayed his hands. And obviously this is still ongoing.

I don't like it all takes exposed. He overplayed his hands so, so bad. Like, I think he also thought it would be over, he would have the capital and it would just be part of Russia again already. Um, like he, he was this big bad when he was doing nothing when he was just the, the guy keeping quiet now, now he's in the ring and it's like the 11th round and people are like, why hasn't he won yet? Like, what's going on here? It's, well, 2014 was a cakewalk for the Russian army for the Russian groups. So that's what they thought it was going to be like. So the rubble has dropped like.

Yeah. Oh, this is what I was going to say, you know who's really pissed off? the Russian cam girls and only fans models because they they're back up they're back up they're back up but it's a according to jerry thornton who's first on the scene the only they can post they can post yeah how does that work in terms of the financial transactions though can we send money i'm sure you can if you'd like to try i'm all set i don't know

no i'm just i'm just curious like how do how do sanctions impact that Zanville Krieger he's the scholar he's done with the exchange rate so like if you have a Russian bank account like I can't send somebody in Russia a check for a thousand dollars if I wanted like PayPal somebody with a Russian bank account I'm pretty sure that that's completely off the table right now. It's part of the sanctions that you can't do business with a Russian financial institution aren't they having like a bank rush right in there too like everybody's going to the bank trying to get their money out yep which is what causes, like, depressions.

Bitcoin's going up. That was what was confusing. I thought Bitcoin would skyrocket the first night, but it bottomed out. So I thought that would be an obvious, like, financial alternatives. There's not a lot of, there's not a lot of confidence in it from that. Like, Bitcoin is, for my understanding, Bitcoin is the more, it's for people with expended, expended, like, expendable income. They have, they have, they have it a reserve.

Like, people that work nine to five, day to day, check to check. they're not just going to take all their money out of the banking and put it in bitcoin because then a lot of people don't have um the exchange rate so i can't go get bread and milk with bitcoin and so like it's just not people don't have a lot of confidence in it it's more just like a luxury than but also if the rest of the world shuts off your internet and you all your money's in bitcoin then what the fuck do you do well if they shut down your financial institutions so this was what was happening in afghanistan you saw like in the videos from the airport the cabool airport you had people with like tons of bars of gold in their pockets and like trying to carry gold with

them but the whole that was like one of the crypto bro arguments like you wouldn't have to be carrying tons of gold if you just bought bitcoin instead sure if you but if you also have no way to connect to the internet you have it doesn't matter how much bitcoin your computer said you have if you have no computer you've got none right but oh Elon Musk's star linking up ukraine's basically giving the whole of ukraine internet yeah not dependent on the russians that's pretty g moved by him how easy to just launch a satellite into space like he's got too many satellites in space for my liking good question would be like why hasn't why didn't he do this already well i think i think they literally ukraine the ukrainian i think like the ukrainian i think

like the ukrainian twitter asked him like yo dude like you know that stuff you got like they really help us and he's like oh shit like I should have done this. We done that Elon Musk episode? I can't remember. No we haven't done one yet. That would be a fascinating one because that shit, that's a whole bag of worm. Oh yeah. I mean his I mean if you look at

his uh he's got you know you can't choose your family but he's got some interesting ancestors. Oh, from South Africa. Yeah, I wouldn't even blame his ancestors. He's done some terrible things like very recently. Like what? Yeah.

Didn't he get, didn't he get, um, there's like a lawsuit with a whole bunch of, like, uh, practices, uh, um, in Tesla, racist, racist practices at Tesla. One, two, he was like, like, a whole bunch of his employees was, um, uh, protesting because, like, I think, just like worker conditions, like a lot of different things. And so I, like I said, we should do an episode where I could dig further into it, but that's just the story that caught. But a lot of, a lot of, he'd be, he'd be big cabin a lot. Like, you also remember he called that, uh, diver in Thailand, a pedophile? Yeah, the guy that was trying to rescue the kids out of the cave. Yeah. He wasn't a pedophile, right?

I, I don't know. Yeah, I think he just kind of did that one. Why do you want to save those kids so bad, PFT? Good point. Good point. We're going to get to martial arts in a second, but guess what? Billy was talking about concrete. and the good kinds of concrete, the bad kinds of concrete.

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appreciate it which are you talking about the meme one yeah the meme yeah kailer and Putin have a lot in common you see in my older days I would have gone ahead and written like an entire blog comparing Kyler Murray to Vladimir Putin

didn't have the bandwidth to do that this morning that was a top tier tweet though that was just like a top tier tweet a little rushing Aaron what do you what do you think about Kyler Murray and the way that he's going about it because I've I typically fall on the side of like get as much money as you possibly can especially if you're an NFL player because your body is your livelihood and it doesn't last forever and there's so little guaranteed money out there for injury but I do think also that Kyler Murray is acting like a real weirdo for the last year or so I don't I don't I have seen nothing of Kyler Murray before the this morning I was just scrolling and I think who retweeted that one of y'all retweeted it or something and it was on my timeline and I read it uh I just happened to I just happen to read it this

morning and uh it's funny as hell like I don't know there's just not else there's no I hope he gets paid it's an interesting way to go about it my my way of going about it was different and by I just speaking for me if that's what he feels like he got to get paid I side with you by the way get as much money as you can I don't go fuck about these organizations get bread um like the way i went about it was like because i came from humble again it's not saying he doesn't so my mindset was i'm a bet on myself i'm a do mean i don't want to bring it to the press because that's just going to bring more mess like i just i don't give a fuck what people think i don't get people feel like and so like i had conversations with the gm or the owner like they

know where i stand and so i just went and talked to them like man i'm not saying anything bad about californ do what you got to do but i just feel like anytime you're involved the outside you put more pressure on it and you put more pressure on yourself. And it just becomes messy, man. And so anytime there's a mess, like I try to avoid, you know, public messes at all case because we get people putting their nose and shit that don't belong. And then I don't know, you just end up creating enemies you don't even know. And so I just, I just end up staying away from it.

The way that he's gone about it's been really weird, too, because he, like, he unfollowed the Cardinals on social media. He deleted, like, what? Cardinals fans said like adamantly he never followed them oh he never followed the team that's what Cardinals fans said I follow a disproportionate amount of Cardinals fans but he also well I guess Russell Wilson's doing this too Russell Wilson took Seahawks out of his bio that's like the new thing now if you want to if you're upset at your company you just take their their handle out of your Twitter and Instagram bio and then everyone's like oh shit we better

pay more money it's really it's really strange what's going on there especially because like I don't think that many Cardinals fans would say, like, Kyler had a great year last year, especially at the end of the year. He kind of stunk for a lot of it. And yeah, he got banged up a little bit. But it's just an interesting time to be playing, like, serious hardball. It was weird because this was, like, he's been such a topic of conversation all off season. But this is the first time anyone from his camps actually said anything.

It's just been all, like, various reporters just saying things. things that have either been proven immediately untrue or have just been like so out of left field that they kind of died on their own. So this was like the first time he actually said something and he said it through his agent and like the worst press release. I like Michael Jordan said, I'm back. That's all he said. This is this was like size one font long ass thing.

Shepter tweets it out because that's all his job is now is just to be a mouthpiece for for agents. And it was just like what like I'm not reading this shit. Yeah, I hate that shit, too, though. Like, like, you're a grown-ass man, Doug, like, a statement from my agent. Like, get the fuck, like, fan. Come on, doggie. Like, just tweet, bro. Like, all you got to do is tweet.

Like, it just seems so coordinated and so forced. And it's like, I don't know, like I said, I hope he gets paid, bro. But it's like, I don't know, it's hard for me to respect it. At what point? It ain't for me to respect. At what point in life or in the NFL, do you get a camp? Do you have a camp around you where people like, like people are getting messages out of your camp.

I feel like that's only a quarterback, right? No, Julio jumps had a camp. He did? I had a fake camp. Odo Beckham's dad was his camp. I didn't have a camp. You never had a camp. Well, I had people that worked for me.

I paid them for their services. But, like, I always spoke for myself. It wasn't like Aaron Foster's agent said. It was always me here. I never really. Did your agents hate that? No, my agent, my agent was cool. I realized early on agents are,

are, they're going to go away. And I, you know, shout out to the agents that I have, but it's just they're going to become obsolete. Yeah. And so I figured that out early. And so like, like an example was when I was in the league, I think maybe I told the story before,

but I was in the league, the minimum was 3%. You pay an agent 3% of your contract, right? And I didn't do combine with this cat. I didn't do anything with this cat. I met him in the league and I changed age. agents. And like I said, it was 3% was the minimum. And when it, when the deal came, I was like, why am I giving this thing so much? Why? Why? Why 3%? And so like, my brother had been training me. So I was like, I'm going to give him a point on a contract. And I'm going

to take it from you. And he's like, oh, you know, yeah, you can't, you can't do that with confidence. It's like, you can take it to leave it. Like, this isn't an option. Like, work for me. He's like, no, I'm taking it, but I'm just saying. I'm like, whatever. And so, like, I realized then it's like, you hold all the leverage. And I think now players realized it way more. So I think, if I'm not mistaken, I'm at the game for a little bit, but I think the minimum is 1% now. And it's going to, what's going to end up happening is you're going to end up having either a firm or people, internal people that you know, hire people to just do a flat fee. Negotiate this for 60 grand. And I'll pay you.

And you keep all the rest of that back money. I don't got to pay you 500 grand just for knowing the right people like it's stupid yeah yeah quick question what do does an agent do in those situations like what skill do they actually lend sometimes there are some benefits um relationships with gms can be beneficial if you're like if you're if you're if you if you're if you're if you're if you're if you're if you're if you're if you're pro baller all pro this shit don't matter though you should slot it and you can bang for at that point you just bang it for how your money's they're giving it up, right? There are ways, like, if you're a low-tier level player,

relationships can get a guy looked at, can get a workout, can get shit like that. If you get fined for your socks being too high, some shit like that, like they can negotiate, you know, an appeal and shit like that. Like, little shit like that. But as far as, like, Katz, like Kalimer or whatever the case it would be, I advise them. Now, anytime Katz hit me up, I'm like, negotiate your own shit. that you don't need an agent and agents hate that shit i bet do you need a law degree do most agents

have a law no you need like i think it's a two thousand dollars certificate it is i mean it's it is it is contractually a you know a legal binding contract so there is jargon in there that you won't understand this is why i say you had to hire somebody at a flat fee you didn't go to school for this shit and this is what pisses me off about business in general and that i mean much to do with the NFL, but contractually, ownership will put all of this language in there. They do this shit in courts in general, like with family court, criminal court. They put all this jargon into that, that's not, it's hard to comprehend for the average person.

And so they end up taking, it's just so that it can take the advantage of you. That's, there's for no other fucking reason. Contracts should be three or four pages, period. But it's multiple pages because it's all this jargon. It's just, it's just so pointless. My father in high school pushed me not heavily, but he was like going to contract law and just sell your services for like you're saying, $25,30, $40, $50,000 in undercut agents.

And that seemed like a lot of reading to me. So I obviously. But he had the vision. Like you can now to on the flip side, Aryan, there was another story with a max guy and an even easier league to get paid the NBA. James Harden got traded to the 70s. sixers, which he facilitated himself. He is his own agent.

But the opt-in date for his next year's contract, he forgot to file the paperwork. That is where an agent can help someone. Like, some people, I think, do need an agent. Like, if you're on top of using cues, you don't need an agent. Like, Jalen Brown doesn't have an agent. Like, certain people for sure don't need them. So probably needed one. This is, you're not wrong, right?

And, I mean, that's his, like, what is what it is. But, like, at that point, he got Monopoly money. He got so much. It's just like It wasn't a priority for him You know what I'm saying? Like I'm talking about cats Who like a basketball rarely is

Yes I'm saying So it's like But this is one thing I do know about that whole He doesn't have an agent thing They don't have agents But they have somebody Who's kind of facilitating Yeah business managers

That is facilitating Nobody's out here like Anybody I sat down and negotiated No you didn't I guarantee I guarantee Well like right now

So like a guy who's won an MVP And back to football. There's a guy who is in a similar situation to Kyler, still on his rookie deal, has one of an MVP, doesn't have an agent. Lamar Jackson is probably not going to get paid as easily as a Josh Allen, probably even Kyler. It might be beneficial for him to have an agent. There was also a circumstance a few years ago. I think it was 2013. Elvis Dumerville, the past rusher from the Broncos, he agreed to take a pay cut. I think they knocked his pay by like 25%. He agreed that he'd do it, but his agent had to fax over the

contract. He hit his agent up and it was like a last minute deal. The deadline was like 4 p.m. His agent faxed over six minutes too late. So the contract was void. He became a free agent and then ended up getting paid by the Ravens. Yeah. And I think he ended up making more money over the lifetime of his deal with the Ravens than if he had taken that one year deal obviously anything can happen after the one year

it worked out in his favor but he still fired his agent for not being able to fax it over which just made I thought that was the teams who fucked that up I didn't realize that was an agent fuck up no the agent was like driving around Miami

trying to find a fax machine and why are we still using faxes it's insane the only time you ever have to fax anything is if you're like signing a new lease on a contract You don't have to do that

You can email it, text it There's apps signed now Like nah Text this is done It's for old people I think I had to fax my contract over When I signed my deal at Barstool I'm trying to remember

I emailed my only Yeah I did mine online Did you? Yards might have a little bit more That's true I had yeah I had the three extra pages Of nothing but zeros Uh

Yeah Of the number I had to It said attachment too large for Gmail. So that's the back side of the yeah,

I love it. That is an element of having an agent is that you don't have to self advocate so you like either get more money or you know

get leverage because if you just like you know feel like if you're not a like in those situations there and do you think that there's guys

who they didn't have an agent might get taken advantage of and not get what they're supposed to earn? Guys with agents can take an advantage of guys without agents can take an advantage of

what it is is the issue goes back to us why I don't fuck with the NCAA because they don't treat athletes like small CEOs right?

If I if I start any business out fresh out of college and I'm making 300K a year which is minimum league minimum like I've prepped

myself to understand financially the pitfalls and the highs that come with that right but the NCAA doesn't do that because they want to hide under these guys of amateur sports. And so it goes all the way back to that. If guys are more business savvy, right, and look at themselves more like CEOs and look

at themselves like this is a business, then they can start to negotiate on their own terms and understand your market value. Even if I'm a special team's player, there is a very niche market for special teams player. And there is a salary. There is a market. And once you start understanding that, you can start doing your own shit, but we don't, we don't treat our guys like that. So we go to the league. We just got all this money.

I need a financial advice. I need an agent because I'm too dumb to understand. No, you're not too dumb. You just weren't prepped well. You know what I'm saying? You weren't taught as a young kid. Yo, you're about to be a business. You know what I'm saying?

It wasn't ex in your mind. So that's why I don't fuck with the NCA. The nice thing about agents, I will say something nice about agents. no they they handle the conversations that you don't necessarily want to have and that can vary from person to person some people want to have those conversations but but i would like me personally in my circumstance i'd rather just focus on the stuff that i like to do here at work and not have like a contract negotiation where i'm sitting down with dave or erika and i'm like going back and forth with the details and they might make a first offer that's too low and then I could feel

disrespected personally because they said that to me. Like having it filtered through an agent that's building up like leverage and taking care of all those details. It's just like one less thing to think about. Some people like that. Some people don't like it. Then you're paying for convenience. But for the specific example that you mentioned, business 101, it's just business is never person. Never take a person. Yep. All right.

Let's get in martial arts. Let's talk about it. Martial arts or fast at what, Billy? Dude, I got so deep into sumo. I love that Billy picks sumo is.

Oh my God. Sumo is in, like just the ins and outs of sumo. We could have done a whole episode on sumo. Okay. Is that a, each one? Hmm.

Summo, sumo wrestling is a martial art. It's like not, it's like not, it's like, the same way that it's a fighting discipline with certain rules, like the same way like wrestling is a martial art. Yeah, let's start with sumo. The only thing I know about sumo,

aside from, you know, like clips and stuff that I've seen on the internet and on TV is there was like a massive cheating scandal that rocked the sumo world. I think I think Malcolm Gladwell might have written about it. Maybe somebody else wrote about it. But it was like if you make it to the pros in sumo, as long as you have your win-loss record or your points, whatever they go by, if your points are at a certain level, then you stick around in that same division of being a sumo wrestler and they don't demote you and they don't bring somebody else up. And there was like statistical proof that sumo wrestlers were, if somebody didn't have to win a match and they were going up against somebody that needed to win a match or get a certain amount of points in order to stay in the top premier division, the person that needed those.

points won almost all the time they almost always got it so there was like a like an honor system in sumo wrestling yeah there was a match fixing scandal that basically had close ties to the yakuza yeah so just like something out of a movie the yakuza just fixing sumo wrestling walk us through the history of sumo wrestling so sumo wrestling wrote real quick right let me give my my little experience for some more this was the fire shit in the world so i would i went to japan like 2018 and my dude has like a travel agent that just kind of like fixed the whole uh trip for so we was in Kyoto and I didn't even know and we got tickets to like what was the championship of the sumo wrestling match so it's like in this like I don't know what they call it but it's like

stadium seats just filled and at the bottom was just a little like uh sumo area that they do it in whatever they call and so we just sitting there we don't know we don't know we don't only black dudes in there right we just everybody else is Japanese obviously and And we sitting next to this lady who doesn't speak any English, but she sees we not from there, but she starts laughing because me and him, like, we're having a good time. We start betting on the matches. So there's like, there's like brackets and there's dudes. And so me and him is taking, you know, Japanese money.

I think it's, you know, and we just, we don't know these cats at all. We just betting. And she just finds this shit funny as fuck. And so we start kind of like talking to her shit. Like the best we can, I had like a translator app or shit. And we're like making her laugh and shit. And I wasn't trying to do anything. I had a shorty at the time.

It was just all going to joke. One of the sumo wrestlers, I, like, noticed it keeps looking up, like, towards in our direction. And I didn't think that was the first. I was like, I keep looking up here. Like, why is he looking at this direction? So kind of find out, like, she's pointing at him. She's like, yo, that's my guy. So much.

So my dude is over here, like, thinking I'm trying to bang out of the shorty. When it was crazier was like, you know, I'm coming from American sports was, like, you know, they're affluent, right? get paid a lot of money. I'm waiting in a taxi line afterwards. The sumo wrestlers are in line with us to go to get, to get a taxi. It was just a wild experience. I never,

I never experienced anything like. It was really dope, though. So did you get a number? No, I wouldn't say, I want to have for that. And especially when she said that, I backed off.

Her man's came back. He's 400 pounds. I can't, uh, I can't. I know my limits, doggy. I ain't, I ain't,

I need to Commander Brown, bro. I mean, the history of sumo goes back thousands of years like they have the same sort of league I think has been going on since like the 1100s but basically like the sumo lifestyle it's not just a sport it's a lifestyle like how do these guys get that big and is taking like you know the science of it is actually very interesting like basically all these guys live in a frat house and they have junior sumo guys who are basically their pledges that they just make all the food set up the mats

and learn from the older sumo guys and basically like the amount of prep work it takes for these guys so they wake up every day they don't eat until 11 the junior sumos make the food which is a different mixture of soup and just high calorie high protein and they're just drunk all day. They drink like six pints of beer with their gigantic like 4,000 calorie meal. And then they train twice in the day. And for the most of like they're just boozing every day. Just to try to put on mass. Yeah, to put on mass. Because I actually looked up with the average BMI of Japan is. Yeah. And how that ranks against because when I think of Japanese people, I don't know if this is a stereotype or not, but I think small people. Right. Right. They're shorter in general

than I think they're probably on the shorter side if you look at an average. And in terms of weight, I would also expect them to be pretty far down there. I looked it up. And so Japan in terms of BMI, they're 169th in the world. They're way down there. They are like a very overall on average skinny people. Yeah. But they've created the subculture of the sumos who their job is just be like the biggest people in Japan so I don't know do they take big people that want to be sumo wrestlers or do they take just like normal kind of strong people and they're like okay we're going to get you fat a lot of it runs in the family so you'll have like a family of sumo and the junior sumos from the sounds of it the junior sumos definitely get abused pretty badly like they'll get like

17 18 year old kids and just throw them in a house with like these like some of them are like 30 40 year old guys and they just like boss them around all day and like mess with them so sounds a lot like here yeah but i think billy would actually love to be in one of these sumo houses i mean think about like basically you wake up you do your sumo you just put on mass all day they don't do they've just started to incorporate more weight training and you know actual strength and conditioning routines before they're just literally eating so what happens to a sum a wrestler after they retire is it like an offensive lineman where a year later they'll show up and they'll have lost like a hundred

fifty pounds so they have very low visceral fat and they're considered to be some of the healthiest fat people in the world so their their fat is all subcutaneous i want to know it's all uh like woven into the right it's all on the outside of their body okay yeah outside of their abs right subcutaneous whereas it's not visceral fat so their uh internal organs aren't fat so like fatty liver disease like alcohol i don't understand how they're healthy fat people but they drink so much they probably just work out a ton yeah but wrestling is like insane cardio yeah and from what i've been seeing and if you watch videos like the only thing i can compare it to is you ever seen elephant seals fight naturally yes yeah you know those videos coli knows what i'm talking about

these guys hit each other like it's like two guys coming off the line but since they're not wearing pads and they're bare chested, you just hear this slap. You just hear the slap of the hitting together. It's like ridiculous. Now I want to go to a sumo fight. I think going to, and they do this, uh, they do this ritual before to before you can even start wrestling or any of that. Like, they have to bless the, bless the mat with salts. But what that actually does is a like, it's very funny how they came up with all these traditions that actually we now know today why those traditions happened because of the science behind it. So like they're putting salt on the mats to almost disinfect them to like prevent like you know a lot of I don't know if you guys had like every

wrestling team in high school has like a staff infection outbreak or something like yeah there's herpes on the mat yeah at one point. And it's like that's like a like you know mat rats worm used to just make fun of wrestlers for being mat rats. Ivermectin. I have meckton. Another fun fact... Oh, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead. No, I was just going to say that I was looking up fun facts about sumer wrestlers. They're not allowed to drive cars. Yeah, they're too big.

Yeah. They're too big to drive in cars. And also, they're not allowed to be bald, which is very funny. So if they go... Problematic. Yeah, if they go bald, they're not allowed to compete in professional in their, like, ancient league anymore, which is very weird. But... So when I was in Japan, though, I did.

I was asking questions and stuff to, you know, some of the tour guys and shit around that. And they was saying, when you said, that's why I gave it a little smirk when you said that they're healthy or whatever the case, it would be like, yeah. Them things would be dying, like, young. Like, when they retire, like, they die young. And from why, and this is just from the experience that I had, I don't know, I didn't do any research on Sumo C, maybe right. But from my experience and what they was telling me was, like, they die young.

And it's very admirable as far as, like, they're heralded. like they're loved but um how they get there is like they just stumped they overfeed them it's not just beer it's like they overfeed them and that's why they die young because it's not it's not healthy but if if you so they die young by japanese standards so like in japan people live like i think the average age is like 80 you know very high compared to the rest of the world but they die like the average age of a sumo is 60 to 65 that's still pretty young yeah for a developed country one one thing that I just looked up here about sumo wrestling is interesting the referees in sumo there's one top guy at any given time it can only the position can only be held by one guy

and they're called the gyoji so it's it says that there it's the equivalent of the yokozuna for wrestlers which is like the top sumo wrestler the geogi is the top referee official for sumo wrestling. And when he walks into the ring, he carries a sword. And it's about 12 inches in length. And if he makes a bad decision, he has to be prepared to commit Sapuko, which is suicide by his own sword. We need this in college basketball. No, no, no, no. We need this in American sports across the board. I've long been. Like, who polices the police? Who referees the reps? Like, There's no one holding these people to any sort of standard. And if they had the like those last two minute reports that come out in the NBA,

I know the NFL has stuff too. If it was just like, I mean, you really imagine Saints fans. If they got to see that ref just fucking take himself out after that non-pass interference call, they would have been perfectly fine with that. Yeah. So they usually don't end up taking themselves out. But they do submit their resignation if they make a clear mistake. they'll, you know, ritualistically commit Sapuku,

which is just like take their career away. They resign in great disgrace. I would like to see something like that happen. Like, we don't get enough disgrace. No. People don't accept disgrace in America for anything that they do. Even Tim Donnie, like, he's got a fucking podcast now. Like, he's not disgraced.

Right, right. There's nobody resigns in shame anymore in this country. That's the problem. By the way, you know who's taken over, uh, Sumo? mongolians so some of the best sumo wrestlers nowadays are mongolians because mongolians you know we were talking about how the average japanese height and weight is very small mongolians are like easily average over six feet and they're very tall people and they've like totally cuffed japan of their sport that they once like that they found it so these mongolians are coming in and totally dominating

Japanese sumo. Why are there not more sumo wrestlers converted to offensive and defensive line? Bad hip flexibility. I think they could probably make it work with like the best of the best. The amount of skill

that it takes, I'm sure, to be the best sumo wrestler, the Yokazuna in Japan, is probably you can probably transfer that ability over. I think, though, from what Billy was saying earlier, these guys don't get to be like top of the line at a young age it takes a while to yeah it's a lot it's a lot of technique in you know so it does take a long time and the thing is they live in these state they call them stables these like frat houses full of sumo wrestlers and the lifestyle like i kind of think

you could prepare for sumo with a different approach to the training but I think then you would lose so, like, the knowledge gain from living in those frat houses, like associating, because these guys, sumo is their lives. They talk sumo all day. You're basically saying LeBron James should have gone to college. You got that team experience and then he would have been a better player. Well, the thing is, I think the culture and lifestyle is so important to just gaining the knowledge of how the older guys get so good.

So, like, think about, I mean, I think it's more. of a sport that isn't solely athletic base yeah it's cultural yeah sure yeah no there's a lot of stuff that if you know all the stuff that goes into and the training and the traditions and stuff it's probably got that's why it has such deep ties to the japanese community where they they take it so seriously like i feel like if you just got you know an offensive lineman type who was training the scientifically appropriate way like you know doing olympic power cleans working on explosion as well is putting on mass, he may, you know, do decently in sumo, but might not have the technique and knowledge just gained by sitting around drinking with these guys every day.

Yeah, Aaron Donald, I still am convinced, though, could probably dominate sumo wrestling. Well, Aaron Donald, I mean, Aaron Donald's 300 pounds. These guys run around 360. Billy, yet again, disrespecting Aaron Donald on this show. I just don't, I don't, you know, I know he's a very dominant player. very dominant as a defensive lineman. But I don't think he's the Superman. Everyone thinks he is. I mean, he's arguably

the best defensive player ever. I know. Who, in your lifetime, what defensive player is better? T.J. Watt? I'm dying for this answer. No, no. I'm not going to pull a what's his face. Our favorite Australian American. You guys know what I'm talking about. The Twitter got at.

Nick Adams. Nick Adams. I'm not pulling in Nick Adams, but Oh yeah I might be off on Nick Adams guys He's he After our little interaction with him He became too self-aware at that point He started just like tweeting out Blake Baudel's facts and stuff

It was like come on Come on you need to at least present the air Of believability in this one And I don't get me wrong I love Blake Borgia What you're trying to say But he was he was pandering That's my problem when he started to pander after that And I was like no man play the hits

Get back to the Tebow stuff. He wasn't pandering before, yeah. No, I want to get back to this question that he has. You don't think Aaron Donald is the Superman everybody thinks that he is. I'm just curious as to what you think we think he is and then what you think he is. So, like, for example, I don't think he's like Ray Lewis. I think Ray Lewis had more of an effect on the team and the game and the outcomes. I don't know.

I mean, Ram just won a Super Bowl, largely in part because of Aaron Donald. Right. I don't know. Aaron Donald is one of those guys where I trust people who understand the sport of football more than I do, and their analysis of it. And they show, okay, this guy gets double, triple teamed all the time. And he's just a guy who cannot be contained. I think Vaughn Miller made Aaron Donald way more effective when Vaughn Miller came over. I'm going to disregard that.

And what I will say is what made Ray Lewis so special, I'm like, trust me, I played against buddy. I know, buddy's my guy. Yeah. But what made him so special was he always had a huge D-Lyman in front of him to kind of shed blocks for him. So like Tony Sergousa or Hologna, who are two of the best ever, yeah.

So there was always somebody in front of him who was like really you know what makes and i'm not saying that's that's slightly he plays the lineback he plays on the second level it's just hard for him to but he and he's one of the greatest lineback of all time right arguably the best but what makes aaron down so special is like what pfc says like one he's under size but two he's getting double and triple team right all day long and the position that he's doing it in his quickness and his agility and when you said he didn't have feet that was fucking hilarious no no i'm saying just like the dexterity required to like run an army offense we're not going to have this debate anyway let's

like when you said he didn't have feet i think yo i think he would be a great sum of us i think he probably wouldn't be too yeah if you get leverage if you put him in the frat house with the bros and you get him eating a nice steady diet of like high fatty fish omega acids drinking beer every day i'm pretty sure that he could put on some weight right but not even that part I think that he would be better off athletically to not live like a sumo. I think he'd be more explosive, stronger.

That's all sumo. No, but like it's kind of funny because the sumo lifestyle is almost antithetical to the sport that they do. Like the way every one of them would be more explosive if they didn't live like a sumo race.

Right. And thus like probably be better at the sport. But because the knowledge, most of it is, like, technical knowledge that they gain from living in close quarters with older sumo who did it that way, they'll never get to the point where, you know, you got an Aaron Donald with, like, Aaron Donald total, like, a specimen with great training that's doing like modern strength and conditioning training. Aaron Donald needs to be hazed more is what Billy's going at. If you just haze them, then it truly unlock his potential. You know, there was an American sum. chair the first ever uh foreign born sumo grand champion was from hawaii and uh his name was actually chad boyless yeah chad rowan was the was the first foreign born grand champion they changed his name they gave him a sumo name which is acabono taro but it should have been it should have been

chad and that's it uh what else what else you got for like the history of sumo billy uh turns out they're not neutered. Okay. For some reason. That was not, did anybody think that they were? Yeah, no, I'm literally doing research.

No, sumo wrestlers are not neutered. The idea that sumo wrestlers were neutered comes from age-old assumptions about why they grow such perfect hair. Early conspiracists argue that there was no way that sumo wrestlers could keep such perfectly healthy hair throughout the years unless they'd previously been castrated.

This makes me think that they're newer. Yeah. Like, whoa, whoa, guys, we're not neutered. We're not all just living in this. Bradhouse. Does that also make you keep your hair if you cut your balls off? Testosterone causes balding. Got it. High levels. All right. Well, that that's debunked then. Yeah. I'm going to need you to specify everybody else that we talk about whether or not they're neutered. Not one, Billy. Yeah. It seems, it seems like it's just guys being dudes. Yeah. I mean, like, think about it. Like,

waking up, I mean, it's definitely hard being a junior wrestler. I mean, a junior sum, where you actually have to do all the work but the older guys literally have like pledges throughout the whole rest of their life that cook for them you know they basically beat the hell out of the younger wrestlers it's like real

you know you talk about offensive like it's basically if you take offensive lineman culture you know like how offensive linemen have their own like little thing out on every team you're on and then just like make it a literal lifestyle and with religious connections.

I love the footstop. There's a technique involved. There's a lot of technique in culture and tradition involved, too. It's dope. All right. I think I officially want to go to a sumo wrestling match. It's fire, though. We was hella faded.

We was betting on everyone. Because it's like the match's last like tops a minute, right? And so there's like 50 guys in the competing in this whole thing. So like, just imagine putting down bread and you just take, I got the dude on the right. Got to do it on the right. It was just, it was a fun ass experience, man. And they toss each other. Yeah.

Like a lot of tossing. I get it in. That's for sure. All right. That was sumo wrestling. Big T. What's your discipline of martial arts? So I looked into my Thai a little bit because I love the way that Joe Rogan says it.

I just hear him say Muay all the time. And I'm like, when you said do martial arts, I was like, that sounds as good as any other, I suppose. So obviously it is a, it's originated in Thailand or Siam at the time. in like the 16th century I think um but it became pretty popular fairly recently and it's similar to kickboxing except uh kickboxing they said uses four uh points of contact or something like that and my moitai is eight with uh use your elbows and knees uh a lot it's like john bones jones right yeah so i watched some stuff on it and it just looks like UFC to my untrained eye, but I guess it's, you know, more intricate than that.

But yeah, so it uses striking and clinching techniques. It's known as the art of eight limbs. It's a big, so gambling is illegal in Thailand, but it's, from what I understand, they kind of like turn a blind eye to it just for this. So it's a huge, like, gambling thing there, and a lot of shit goes down in that. realm of it i guess i was reading about how the gamblers go to these fights and they they have signals for who they want to bet on so there'll be a bookie uh sitting somewhere in the crowd and then the guys will make like an open fist if they want to bet on the underdog and then like

turn their palm down if they want to bet on the favorite or something like that and then uh so if you're you're kind of just relying on that people are taking your word for it And there's a lot of stuff that goes on with that. Yeah, it seems fairly interesting. There was a different type of Muay Thai that Muay Thai evolved from. So the original, I think, the head was the other weapon that you could use. Like head budding was encouraged. And then they took that, I think it was one of those things where like, if you watch the UFC fights in UFC 1, UFC 2, UFC 3,

the moves that they were able to pull back then, it's shockingly violent if you watch those first fights. like elbows to the head repeatedly kicks to the groin I think the only rule was I don't think you could eye gouge and you couldn't fish hook either what's that I don't know what's fish hook yeah it's where you put your hand in somebody's mouth and you just pull on the cheek okay it's pretty brutal that's how Matt Godet

the lacrosse player got his finger bitten in that bar room brawl yeah that seems more dangerous for the person doing it than the person having it done to them fish hooking is like I feel like it's a stupid it's a bad technique yeah i don't know why that that was initially outlawed just because it was maybe because it was gross do it yeah you could probably fishhook somebody's butthole but you could do it to their mouth uh so moitai is kind of like that where moitai evolved from another type of fighting where it was like a little bit more uh slightly more violent and they're like we need

to implement a couple rules here what was he oh god bill no i literally when people fish hook They're trying to pull the cheek and tear the flesh. Yeah, did you? Yeah. I know. I know, but like literally people used to just have half their face ripped off. Fuck, 50. Yeah.

Yeah. I thought it was like some sort of submission technique. Muay Thai is the style when I see a UFC fighter that's really fucking sick at Muay. I always think that's the most violent dude. It just looks extremely painful to fight against the guy. Something about elbows and knees, just, it's brutal. I could not imagine kicking an elbow by accident and like shattering your feet. No, you're strong.

You see, like, that's where it gets weird. When fighting ends up, you see those guys, like, cracking their fibia, tibias, shin bones. Yeah, when I would watch John Bones Jones when he first started coming up, yeah he that dude was violent as shit like the spinning elbows that he would hit you with i'm shocked that nobody died from his elbows yeah and oh that we know of murk uh crow crop i've been watched his highlight tape he has like like was again like hit with a shotgun his right leg no it's his left let me find it but we're talking to tib fib yeah murko crow crop was a god damn savage he used to it was like getting hit by a truck when you hit you with his left

erin have you ever fought mutai nah um they used to train it and at my uh at the gym i used to do jihitsu at and they used to do it like after after we left it's just different like the striking is entirely different it's like very good like jujitsu which i'll get into but uh jujitsu is more like it's like it's like passive aggressive it's more like self-defense where like Muay's like I'm coming after you like very aggressive and hard like strikes all about striking really hard strikes yeah I don't think I'd ever want to fight Muay not like the people that that fight Muay recreationally to stay in shape and as an activity that they enjoy got to be total psycho yeah but you're you're essentially

saying yeah I'd like to have I'd like to constantly have a black eye my entire life And at least one broken limb. I'm pretty sure Chef Donnie did a, was in a smoker fight in a bar in Thailand. I don't know if it was boxing or kickboxing. I think it was just boxing, but you fought in a smoker fight. What makes you want to get into something like that? Muay. I think if you're just good at it.

And if you're very good at it and you just never lose, then you're like, yeah, this is an excellent hobby. But if you're an average Muay Thai fighter, you probably. don't stick around for that long. Yeah, like, I just don't understand how someone gets into something like that, and you just are constantly getting, like, beat to just... It's cultural. Yeah. Like, do you start when you're, like, six?

Yeah, it said a lot of them start very, very young. Do they make their kids wear helmets and stuff over there? Are they just like... Not, I don't think so. Yeah, like, what... Dude, there's this guy Sage Northcutt, who I think is retiring from MMA, but he got caught he literally broke his whole face

he was like supposed to be the next star of the UFC but I think he went to pride and literally broke his whole face recently and he was like the American karate supposed to be like the newest American karate champion and you could just tell that like even though he lived in America

like it paled like his fighting style pales in comparison to the aggression of like a real Muay Thai guy like straight out of Thailand I think moitai is definitely on the list of things I will never try it's human cockfighting it is I'd much rather try sumo sumo would be we might we should just fuck around

like do some sumo in a ring like that's what we used to do like in wrestling P.E like we wouldn't actually wrestle we just they slam chest against each other yeah just like try to throw each other out of the ring drink PEE uh yeah Muay it's a hard pass for me in Maitai was that was it ever like

used in in uh their military i don't know about that i'm just always curious where these things start what said it was in the 16th century is a peacetime martial art practiced by the soldiers of king nereswan nerejuin something up to that nature um and then there was a french diplomat who saw it and he like wrote about it um i don't know about military though all right Coley, what do you got? I mean, after this prompt, I immediately went, which I was curious. I just typed Irish martial arts. And naturally, there are three, the three pillars of Irish martial arts, which are boxing,

specifically bare-knuckle boxing, very much boxing that looks like the Notre Dame mascot. the rolling up your sleeves as you back away from someone boxing, which I respect, wrestling, of course. And these all have Gaelic words, which I am not even going to attempt to pronounce. Gaelic is a martial arts, as far as I'm concerned, against just language in general.

But the third one, which I think is very funny and, like, very stereotypical, is stick fighting with shalelyes. which again there's another word will not cannot say it but what i found most interesting about the stick fighting is there's no agreed upon uh size stick like there's no standard it's truly just like what's the biggest stick you can swing and let's fucking get to it it's uh the it's the most rudimentary of everything we've spoken about so far but it's it's probably the most

practical in terms of like day-to-day action like all these other martial arts like if you run up on someone like arian and you you get into a bar fight and he just gets on his back and he's like calling you down like that's that's fucked up you didn't see that one coming uh most people most people are going to square up and you're either going to grab the closest stick you're either just going to wrestle him or you're going to punch him the fucking face those are as far as I'm concerned, the three tenets of all fighting. Dude, Shaleli's, am I remembering this correct to you,

but wasn't there a guy with the Shalali and gangs of New York? Yes. And that was badass. The butcher. Yeah. And then he would put a notch on it for every person that he killed. Yeah. Dude, Shaleli, the whole idea of the Shalalae just like fascinates me

because literally a bunch of dudes with Shaleli's in Ireland made the Roman Empire not want to colonize Ireland. They're like, Yeah, we'll do England, but yeah, we're not going any farther north. Like, you see those guys on that island with a bunch of sticks? They got too many sticks. They got too many sticks in Ireland. They're wild.

They got red hair. They're running around. Like, like, literally the Roman Empire didn't want to expand because of a bunch of dudes who were just drunk all the time with giant sticks. Actually, I don't even know if they had alcohol yet. Oh, I'm sure they did. If Ireland had alcohol before in pre-Roman times. If I were to guess, like, a flow chart of what. got invented first,

beer or fighting each other with a bunch of sticks to pass the time. I think it's pretty clear that, like, I know which one's the chicken, which one's the egg in this scenario. Dude, I want to get a shalili. Can I expense a Shaleli? No. Go to Central Park. Get one.

You can go get a stick. Yeah. I know, but I feel like Shaleli's made from like an Irish tree that has the right knots. Yeah, I in terms of the stick rules, you would feel like there would be an acceptable

stick. It's just like, if you can pick up the stick, then you can bring it to the stick fight. AFT, if you, Billy might be the only other one who's ever even heard of it. Have you watched a hurling match? Yeah. Psycho shit. Hurling is

perhaps the main reason I don't respect lacrosse even as a concept. Hurling's for adults. La Crosse is for cowards named like Tanner. and shit like that. Pick up an actual, a flat stick,

you don't know, and use a fucking baseball and let's just get after. That's what our hurling's psychotic. Halings, I think the ball's harder than that. They play up in a, it's very hard.

Yeah, they play. No helmets, no face masks. Oh, of course not. They play up in woodland. I'm watching hurling right now.

There are definitely helmets and face masks. Oh, they changed? They changed it. Were they kids? Uh, no, they seem to be adults.

No, They play up in woodlawn north of the Bronx, and they wear helmets and stuff. They didn't used to have face masks. Every time I've seen it, there's not even anyone who even has ever heard of a helmet playing. It's like hockey. You remember how there were like a few guys that held off through like the 80s? I'm pretty sure one guy played in the 90s with no helmet on. Yeah.

Like it probably should have been something that occurred to them. But they have high sticking rules. In hurling, you're just, you're hitting the ball. You're falling through on your swing. People were not wearing face masks or helmets, at least as recently as 20 years ago when I started watching it. The best way I can describe this sport as someone watching two minutes of it for the first time is if you combined lacrosse, hockey, football and basketball, but allowed traveling. And also, you can just hit anybody whenever you want, it seems. I would relate to field hockey.

I'm pretty sure the wickets of quidditch were inspired by hurling. Probably. Have you ever seen people play quidditch in real life? Yeah. It's shocking. What is quidditch? Like from Harry Potter movies and people played in real life. It's so odd.

Big on college campuses. Yeah. I saw when I was in Boston a couple months ago, I saw kids at Harvard playing it. And I was like, this is what you do at Harvard. I mean, you can't. Oh, I said, don't they pay it? on the internship. Yes.

Okay. And it's, but you can't like, you can't fly. And you just have a stick between your legs. You just run around on a broom. Yeah,

that's not, that's fake. That's not correct. Most of the sport I'd argue is because it's flying. Correct. Yeah. Okay.

I didn't know people really play this. And then they have a snitch, then they have a person who runs out as the snitch that you have to catch. Yeah, that doesn't count like you, I can catch a person. I can't catch that thing.

all right so hurling implemented helmets in 2009 still pretty recent playing goalie in this sport has got to be the worst position in all of sports to play imagine the ball is hard as fuck imagine barry bonds like pulling up 10 feet from the net and just tossing it up to himself and taking a full swing you're standing in goal like no thank you

it's definitely one of those games that you really it's like something you can't pick up like watching someone it's almost like putting an egg on a spoon the way they play yeah so i don't understand sometimes they carry it on the stick and then other times they just hold it i don't understand why you would ever put it on the stick i think you grab a rule sport not a big rule sport i think you can cat like you can grab it and take a couple steps okay that would make sense hit it with your stick yeah probably yeah it's pretty much if you combined all of the sports uh and just made one sport it really is because there's a net but then there's also like goalposts i'm assuming those are of different point values then it's like hockey kind of but it's also footballish i'm pretty sure when they

invented hurling it came out of stick fighting and all the stick fighters were like look at these pussies that have to use a ball and a net yeah settled like adults it's each other well like many sports originally came about it was probably practicing for In war back then was just a bunch of guys stick fighting, a bunch of other guys. And they're like, well, we got to figure out how to practice this. So we're not hitting each other. Let's hit a ball. Yeah.

There seems to be no high sticking rules anywhere. No, this was something like, I mean, obviously Boston's very Irish city. So like people's dads would still play. And like they're just out there like getting drunk and just like seriously injuring ones up there. definitely all right stick fighting i think i think there was a time where they found that hurling clubs in the united states were secretly covers for funding the ira overseas like the same like the fbi was tracking and they're like how are these guys collecting donations where is this all happening he's like oh hurling clubs yeah not doing a very good job of high that would be my number one

suspicion if i was trying to track down who is at first i would go to a dropkick murphy show and then I just arrest everybody in the pit and then secondly I just observe hurling clothes. Dude, they hand out shaleleleys at Dropkick Murphy's shows. Do that? Yeah.

No, I'm just kidding. Have you, have, Billy specifically, have you found your way into IRA TikTok? Yes. That's perhaps the best corner of the internet because they've incorporated Philly, not drill music. I don't know,

I can't remember exactly what they consider that type of rap coming out of Philly. but they've incorporated that into their how to place bombs on their cars tutorial videos and it's truly the best matchup on the internet well i mean there's the there's ukrainian videos of like uh like very attractive ukrainian soldier with female soldiers giving instructions on how to use russian tanks like in like at one point she's like it's very cold this is how you turn the heat on it's like giving the full instruction that's awesome pound pound i might put the IRA up against any troop like group of troops pound for pound the IRA's been doing what ukraine's been doing for like hundreds of years yeah i mean i already

not not worried about the size or stature of what you've got going on yeah all right erin what do you Yeah, you want to do jujitsu? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I, um, Jiu Jitsu, uh, has roots in Japan. So, um, I wrote down a whole bunch of shit because it's actually fascinating. It has a lot to do with our current culture. In the late 19th century, Japan, uh, when Japan started getting, like, more westernized and they started, like, um, getting more militarized.

Like, they kind of did away with the traditional. like samurai and the samurai warrior had more militarized soldiers aristocrats they employed like martial art instructors um uh that were trained in archery sword fighting in unarmed combat which would eventually end up being jiujitsu um it referred to as that uh and there was a dude by the name of jiguru kanu and he was born in 1860 grew up in the midst of all those changes um and he was like from a wealthy family but he was like saw so he kept getting picked on and shit and he ended up like seeking out ways to like defend himself and like I said the the hand-to-hand combat samurai kind of stuff was fading out but he found

like a bunch of people in a bunch of different areas that would have different styles and different ways of teaching and training and so he just kind of fell in love with the entirety of it And he realized that after a while, I was like, this is Japanese culture that needs to be preserved. And so he kind of just learned. He took what he felt like he needed to keep. And he discarded a way he didn't feel like he needed to keep. And in 1882, he established Kodokan Judo.

And it was like focused on physical education and intellectual training. And the etymology of judo, meaning the gentle way. And that's the biggest thing when I first got into Jiu-Jitsu. what they taught you was my professor, what they call them professors, is, and this is Brazilian Jit, so they call it BJJ. So I started BJJ. At this time, it's just Jiu Jitsu. And I'll get into history of that in the second. But when I first started training, that's what he was like, they're all super cool people, man, for the most part. And he was like, you know, this is like not, and it's a sport and it's fun. He's like, but this is a way of life. It's, it's your diet. It's how you treat

people. It's how you treat your body. And that's what really drew me to it in a different way than anything I've ever done. Because I was just looking for something else outside of lifting weights and running to keep in shape after football. And they were just really adamant about it. It's like, it's like it's a lifestyle. And I really fell in love with it. So after, yeah, after he opened up, that dude opened in the ATD, he opened the Kodokan Judo.

So they focused on like throwing techniques, which is like throwing people to the ground and grappling, which is the core and the crux of jiu-jitsu today. So over the next like five decades, Japan recognized it actually as a national sport. And it became like a big part of their education system. And as it grew, you know, they started exporting all the techniques all across the world. Like so people would leave Japan and go to other places. And independently, obviously hand-to-hand combat everywhere, everybody had their own styles and techniques. There's like, in Brazil, they had this one called Capoeira, which is like a dance and an acrobatic movement. It's like, it's like different kind of feel.

My homie transit, but I can whoop his ass. In Brazil, there's these circuses that had wrestling and boxing in various forms, like combat competitions. There's a Japanese dude by the name of Sato Miyako. And I'm going to tell you why all this is important. This is why this is fascinating, though, because it's like, there's a dude named Sato Miyako. He came to Rio de Janeiro and he trained in Jiu-Jitsu from Japan, and he would try to find work at a circus. And he ended up asking people to, you know, come fight me, to get money. And he used to beat everybody.

But he ended up taking an L and dipping. There was no evidence that he trained under Kodokan, the dude that started it in Japan. Later on in 1913, there's a dude named Mistuyo Meida. Mistuio Meida. Yeah, I'm butchering the shit. Apologies. He trained, he actually trained at Kodokan, and he was like one of the top students. He taught judo, and he focused on grappling as well.

He traveled to a bunch of different countries. He was just trying to fight anybody to show him that he would whoop him. He had a nickname named Konda Koma, which is the big. account combat. He guess he was that dude. Anyway, he ended up in Brazil and he did what Miyako did and trying to find work in one of those circuses and he was offering money to anybody who could beat him so much so he was offering $500 to anybody who could last 15 minutes. In 1920, when he started getting washed, he opened up a school. His career left like this big impression on Brazil and it started to get, like, popular.

And so they started training people with Duwup. And this is where the history gets kind of muddied, right, into the modern times of Brazilian jiu-jitsu. There's a dude by the name Carlos Gracie. Now, if you know anything about Jiu-Jitsu, and really, UFC and M&M, the Gracie family is, like, royalty. And this is the start of it, right? Carlos Gracie said he was living in Bilem,

where Madea opened up his school, and he said he was one of the first ones to sign up, And he trained with him for like three years. He developed the fundamental judo skills and kind of took it from there. There's a judicial historian named Roberto Pereira who says he wasn't even in Bilem the entire three-year period that Carlos claimed he was. The concoma wasn't in the in the years that Carlos claimed he was. So he was saying Carlos most likely learned from a dude named Delani.

poorest dos rias fucking all these names up but um he was a student of mitsuyodaya and so it gets muddy there's a lot of uh discrepancy amongst jihitsu purists um so but anyway in like around in 1930 the the gracy family started teaching jiu jitsu like all over uh rio um and he did it like with his five brothers and it peaked like when um uh in 1930s um like with the circuses um It started becoming bigger. It was like independent, like it was a sport, a spectator sport, and people started to come to pay and watch it. The balls started getting a little bigger,

and they started like, you know, really feeling the bravado the entire thing. And they developed rules called Ludovir, which allowed mostly grapening and holes with no striking. And then in the mid-30s, there was this thing called Valletito, velatito, which is like anything goes. And that's the modern-day MMA rules, but with a little more twist to, like you can strike. like you do whatever um the great the graces really emphasized like the ground game and the guard

that's that's what they're really famous for um and and so carlos was really great at marketing and there's a whole like deeper history that's just like rough i know i was like hell of talking but that's just like the rough history of there's like it goes even deeper but to bring it back to the modern times um in 1993 there was like this USC championship where uh the cats was like the graces was basically challenging everybody in the in the early in the 80s and like in the 90s like They would have videotapes, and you can, like, Google them on YouTube or whatever occasion it would be. They would just invite people over to their spot and be like, yo, we'll who it is, who it is, where it is, we'll whoop you. And then they was doing it.

And so much so that it got so much attention that the hype around it had this, like, competition set up to us, like, all, any martial arts, it don't matter what it is, we'll whoop you. And so the Gracies had got their smallest dude, I forget his name, I think it was Helio. He got the smallest dude to show, like, our littlest dude could whip any of these big dudes. And so, like, the first UFC event, and you can watch this on YouTube, the first UFC event was, like, literally the smallest Gracie fucking up this, like, 500-pound dude. And so, and different disciplines, dudes from Muay, sumo, karate, and that was, like, the first UFC event. And he ended up winning the entire thing, which brought Brazilian jiu-jitsu to the forefront. front and like they blew up after that and they became like immortalized. And so like I said, there's long, there's so much more history to it.

Like Hicks and Gracie is like one of the greatest ball time. That's really what made me fall in level was like watching Hicks and Gracie. But like there's a huge and there's like spin-offs. Like there's 10 planet which like you get into Eddie Bravo. He's a flat author and Joe Rogan's dude. But like he's really, he's like nice. Like he was nice at Jiu-Jitsu. Like I was one of pioneers of the, of, I figure what they call it?

Rubber Guard, the Rubber Guard, which is very effective. a jiu-jitsu move. So it's a really dope practice. I love it. I think it's, I think it's what should be taught to literally, like, a police academy, to anybody trying to de-escalate a situation because they really teach you how to hold people without killing them. You could, you could break limbs, you can hold limbs, you can make people tap.

Like, you can make them pass out. They teach you these things. But it's more like a self-defense. It's not aggressive. So, like, I just love the shit. And the history is fascinating if you ever get a chance to check it out as fire. if you watch jujitsu that's the style of fighting where more so than any other the guy who ends up winning always looks like he's losing at some point like when they get down on the ground and like the limbs are all over it's like oh that guy's in trouble on the bottom oh no wait he's got like this crazy ass hold on the guy's leg he's about to snap his ankle off yeah jujitsu what's crazy about jujitsu is you all had like that wrestler friend right who like was always into wrestling and then like he either wrestled in college or But now that's, like, become a huge outlet for your, like, your wrestler friend who's now, like, doing that, like, three times a week.

Now that's more mainstream. Yeah. They get into jiu-jitsu as a, as a, like, a constructive version. Yeah. Yeah, jiu-suitzsche is crazy. And I like watching jiu-jitsu tournaments where it's, like, the low-contact, like the, not necessarily Brazilian jiu-jitsu, but there's, like, no striking involved whatsoever. And it's just guys, like, grappling and twisting each other. over until one guy gets another dude in a situation where he has to tap.

There's a lot of thinking that goes into it. No, that's what they say. It's like, it's like a chest mask with your body. Because when I first got there, this is what really drew me to it. There was a fucking 16-year-old kid, dog, who probably weighed like 140 pounds, and he made me tap. He made me, he choked me to fuck out. And I was like, yo, I got to learn because this is why. I'm talking about you 16, little dude.

Little dude, he was like, I made, I made him all hype. And I thought, you did, though. You got me. But one of the most beautiful quotes I had, and this is why they say it's like more, it's like, it's like an intellectual practice as well. They, one of the most beautiful quotes he said was like, he's like, jujitsu is, um, uh, it's like it's the art of swimming and the floor is your ocean and, and, and the majority of people don't know how to swim. Yeah. It's just, it's just a beautiful way to think about it. And that's exactly right.

And Collie was talking about it's like, I'm, I'm, I'm that everybody has different styles, right? You kind of like learn your own style, what's your practice while. Like, my style is I fight the best on my back and what they call the guard. I got love. So, like, if I find myself on my, on my back in a fight, I'm the most comfortable there. Like, I will, like, if you don't know what you're doing, like, you just don't have a shot. Like, you're going to, like, I can really hurt somebody. And that's just beautiful about that sport, man.

I love, that's why I love about, I love when that people talk about jujitsu. They're like, yeah, I was rolling. Like, oh, we were rolling. Yeah, they're going to roll. Yeah, you want to roll. roll that's so fucking cool yeah it's really dope man i i the thing about jujitsu and like i want to try it but i know that like it's just it's to take that first step into it it's it's a big leap and that like i couldn't do it casually a couple times where it's not it's addicting yeah

it's it's it's it's something that it's it's like you become a student yeah it's not it's not Like, I think that's the, what separates martial arts with like, you know, a lot of people who go boxing. And yeah, that's also a martial as well. But it's not like a just a casual, martial arts aren't like a casual sport that you just do to work out. It's something that you become a student of and you learn a lot about yourself, honestly. And you learn how to protect yourself in really interesting ways that people have been practiced for like thousands of years. It's really dope. And it's also very humbling, very humbling.

Yeah. Yeah, like a tap. I'm a thing that was 145 tapping me out. What the fuck? Dude, the gang choked out part that's because I don't know. If I can't breathe, I bug out.

Just tap, bro. Let's go. That's crazy. But you get, the thing is someone who like doesn't like the idea of anyone being around my neck and choke me out. Don't get that.

Yeah. Better. Yeah. Yeah, but like I wouldn't do that recreation. Like boxing, the gang hit in the face with gloves on isn't. like that shit.

Well, yeah, that's kind of like, that's a little more like bang and you're like banging, you're like banging, getting hit. I'll tell you, getting hit with like bare knuckle, bear knuckle fighting, like one time I got hit in the face. Irish style. Yeah. Dude, your face hurts for months. I remember getting punched in the face once and it was like, it, like, it, like it hurt

for the whole summer. Like just like. Yeah. It was like my orbital bone, I probably, but it was just like. You feel it forever. Aaron, have you ever made somebody, not made somebody tap, but, like, had somebody in a hold and you, like, you popped something on them? No.

I've had something. I almost pop on me. Usually you're, and that's, like, you have to have a lot of body awareness. Like, like, I've seen people pass out because they're ego, right? They're like, I'm not going to tap. I'm not going to tap. I'm not going to pass the fuck out. Like, I don't have no ego.

Like, like, when that dude was 1.45 and he's about to. tap me out and I'm tapping I'm just not that crucial I don't know what I'm doing on this mat right now and but like over the over the time you like you start to you what's really dope is you start to you start to understand like somebody who knows what they're doing are thinking like four or five moves ahead of you yeah and rather than just reacting to you and that's fucking fire and that's that's that's what it becomes an art form and not necessarily just like combat that that's with like boxing you like watch other people's moves and then sometimes when you're fighting someone who's like really expiring they can tell

what you're going to do even before you think about what you're doing that's like that's the second level but do you get tired yeah it's very uh because when we roll we roll for like i think the rounds are maybe seven eight minutes i forget wow because the pandemic it's like seven eight minutes so you're literally just grappling it's like so like you'll be like five minutes in a lot of times you're just sitting there and they're just staring at each other catching each other's breath and then somebody goes and you got to go again because you don't want to get tapped out and so it's it's it's fire man it's usually seven eight minute rounds i think it's like if you're like if you're going to do a recreation like i go i hit the bag i do 10 one minute rounds

and that usually gets me a pretty good workout just to because i'm going like rough and rally trading which is you try to throw as many punches you can in a minute and like that gets me like that can be a workout in itself like my whoop goes to 10 like that's a decent one how like if you to do a casual jujitsu, let's say it's a Sunday, you're hung over and you're like, I just need to get a sweat going. Like, is there a casual way to do it or it's you're committed to like a shit ton of rolling? It depends on what. They have different classes.

So a lot of times they'll have something where they'll teach like three or four specific moves throughout one class and that is the class and you'll roll like maybe once or twice at the end of the class like for five minutes or something like that. But then they have like open, open rolls where you go and it's just the entire time. You just go and somebody picks you, like you want to roll and you roll and you roll and just the whole time. That's when it becomes like, I'm going to be like,

yo, I couldn't breathe other yards. Yeah. Pick somebody else. I might need you to get me into jiu-jitsu. I got you, bro. We'll go to,

we'll go to class next to my New York. It's fun of shit, though. Because I need to get into it. It's fired. The dude that he's not, when I first got there, he was a brown belt. Yeah.

And he still, he always beat my ass. And he was 200 pounds, maybe five, eight, bro. Yeah. Whoop my ass. I never could get a, I've never even got close.

He actually, he's black belt now. He's actually just won the world championships. Oh, wow. And ghee. Yeah, so he's like the best in the world. Pedro Marino, shout out to my guy. That's my dude. What do you think about ghee versus no gee?

So for everyone listening, ghee is the robes they wear. Right? I'm correct. Yeah. Yeah. And what's the discrepancy between ghee, no ghee? So ghee is like just very traditional, right? And that's more so to represent.

the traditional judo where it came from in Japan but also like how they teach you in Brazilian just you now it's like it's like if somebody has a coat on or a shirt on right it teaches you how to grab somebody where to grab somebody how to pull them down use that uses what they're wearing as leverage it gives them to get them on the ground Nogi is is a lot harder because there's it's all about grips

you don't have any grips and so they teach you how to grip like necks and wrists and and that's and that's really That's really good in case, like, you know, somebody takes somebody's shirt off or the shirt rips or whatever case may be. And so Brazilian jiu-jitsu was a Japanese traditional jiu-jitsu was more so predicated from the ghee and, like, was a sport and it was for, like, throws and stuff like that. Brazilian jihitsu was more made from, like, street fighting. And, like, if you get yourself in a fight, this is how you get up out of it.

I mean, I heard, like, you go with the ghee and you end up choked out with your own ghee, and you're just like oh yeah you're just so out of yeah you know a whole bunch i know a whole bunch of holes where you can i can choke people out with their geek yeah that's like wild to me that like they're using your own clothes against you that's honestly the only thing i can compare it to is in hockey when they like take their sweater as they say and they put it up over their face when they're fighting so they can't see yeah yeah i seen this one me and one time it's hilarious it's like this is some dude like random like dude driving in a car with his glasses on it's like me driving at 8 a.m. to my job being normal, and then he's driving, he's like me driving to

my, uh, jujitsu class learning how to choke somebody out and possibly killed him. But it is. It's like, it's dead. And to me, that's the biggest thing it did for me was like self-confidence was like, I thought I could fight before I took jujitsu. I really thought I could hold my own. So I had, I had this false sense of confidence. Yeah. And when I took jujitsu and I know on a deeper level, I realize now that I can fight and my confidence is higher but it's more reserved because it's not like I don't want to use this on anybody because it's like I can really hurt somebody. And so I know how to de-escalate more than I did before where I was like I would just try to punch somebody and, you know, grab them by the back. But now I know how to grab somebody

in a way that disarms them and de-escalates the situation until, you know, like, Karen calls the cops. Yeah, from a philosophical standpoint, it's kind of like, I really want to get into Jiu-Jitsu, but I know that it's a place where I'm very insecure, like, I'm very vulnerable. So psychologically, I don't want to go roll because I know I'm going to get tapped down in two seconds, but I just do dive into it. That's ego, man. Yeah. As like I said, I was like I said, bro, I'm a former all-pro running back, like, millionaire, got tapped out by some 16-year-old who waited. he's 145. And I couldn't care. It was, it was a good experience of learning experience from, because I was like, I learned from this little dude.

Yeah. I ended up, we had to, yeah, I had a, you make, you make a lot of really good friends, a lot of good people, though. And it's just, it's rarely, I was one time, but he wasn't a, he wasn't a regular. I only saw him, like, maybe twice. And so the majority of people are just like, they roll, you learn. Like, I roll with females, like, right? And obviously there's a big discrepancy, but I roll with females. And I'm not trying to kill him, right? It's just like, you just practice technique then. It's what they call flow, like it'll just flow, right?

You just work on that stuff like that. There was only one time, I was like, I'm going to fight this nigga, bro. This dude was just doing everything he could to try to just, he knew who he was going against. He was just doing it. He was just aggressively and I was like, fam, you got to stop that shit. But I was like, I was my only experience. Everybody else was friendly as hell. They made a lot of good friends, though.

It's a really dope experience. What's that combat jiu-jitsu where you can, like, slap you know what I'm talking about I've not sometimes you see the videos of you're not allowed to punch but you're like allowed to like open hand hit one of my favorite jujitsu clips of all time was that Oklahoma guy fight in the bathroom you remember the one that went viral last year oh yeah that wasn't jujitsu that was straight MMA no he went jujitsu on him he did like to slap to the ear to disorientate him like we'll hit him again in the face and then got behind him and took him down that was a slap punch yeah we'll say

originally they and so that's how they teach you right especially there are formal jujitsu teaching where it's like they teach you just competition rules but then they also teach you like this was developed to fight yeah and so and so like when you start getting away from like the formal learning and you go to other like classes they'll teach you how to fight and when you when you see like some of those videos are like dudes getting picked on and they fall back and they cross their legs and they wrap their legs around you like they know what they're doing like don't mess with them that's a fight you never I just tell me bro if you getting in a argument with somebody and they have cauliflower ear yeah walk a walk away i actually

do walk away dog this this weekend uh i met this like 40 year old dude um in a bar and he was a cauliflower ear guy and it was talked to him about uh because i could tell that you know he'd seen some shit he does jujitsu um and i was talking to him and he can tell that he's like a grappler so he's the type of guy that like once you start talking with him he just gets really handsy and he's like grabbing your wrist you know what i'm talking about like they grabbed your wrist and you're like like i'm like yeah i know what you're doing like you're like you're like you know that's like you're gaining risk controls yeah you're ass ass yeah you're ass yeah he's got dog walked by somebody i know he's a shorter guy no he was a shorter guy so it's like

you're walking in here and the first thing you see me he's like i can kick your fucking ass because you know you do jiu jitsu and he's like yeah exactly he was a cool guy shout out dan he has no idea what i do so does not sound like it yeah Hansy Dan No no It was chill He was chill We were just guys being dudes

You're grappling in a bar Yeah Hansy Dan's the grappler No actually his name isn't Dan So he's still But anyway We had a Yeah

Getting Hansy with the dude I was gonna say that So the martial art That I was going to bring up Arian alluded to was Capoeira Which is a really interesting type of martial arts. It's dance fighting. So it comes from Brazil. And it can be both a form of martial arts like violence, but it can also just be like stuff that they do in showcases and not

necessarily like two guys fighting each other. It's just like a dance performance that they do based around martial arts. But the history of it is interesting because it was started on plantations by slaves in Brazil. And they weren't, you know, there were all sorts of rules that they had. You probably heard of some of the ones in the United States where it's like you could not know how to read if you were a slave. If they caught you reading, you were going to be punished because they didn't want you to get too intellectually smart. Maybe you'd pick up a Bible and realize that some of the stuff that they were telling you was in the Bible was sort of bullshit. But in Brazil, they took that to a different level where they would teach each other how to fight, but they

would do it in a rhythmic fashion. So when the guards would come by or when the owners would come by. They would just act like they were dancing the entire time. It was like one of those like flip a switch. Act straight. Everybody act cool. We're not fighting. We're actually just dancing. And so it became a form of martial arts that was based around rhythm. And you can see when people practice it like there's all these beats that they're taking. Everything's on rhythm. But when it's practiced, it can look ridiculous, especially if somebody's not very good at it. And they do like the dancing thing. And then they just get their ass kicked and knocked out immediately. Like, well, that was the worst for martial arts ever.

But there's some guys that are really good at it that are able to do these like crazy acrobatic style like spins where they're just, they're rotating on one foot, throwing roundhouse kicks with one foot and then following up with their back fist on the other. And when you get knocked out by a dude that's dancing as he knocks you out, that's way worse, I think, than getting knocked out by a punch or getting tapped out. When the dude that's actually breaking your jaw is all. also like tap dancing around you while he's doing it.

Aaron, you ever see you ever gone to like a capoeira fight? No, my homeboy took it though and he was telling me about it. And I actually took him to my jiu-tzu class. But it's like beautiful. And that's what I found. I didn't know the origins of it until I researched the history of jihitsu. And they were saying one of the dudes was fighting buddy. And he said it came from slave plantations.

that's crazy how a lot of these martial arts are kind of like cousins almost yeah yeah capoeira's crazy if you watch like some clips on some great capoeira knockouts it's something that you should probably not try in a fight unless you're very very experienced up because you just look like a fool if you were just dancing i bet a lot of people try capoeira get like moderately good at it and then try to incorporate into the real world and get their ass kick you got to blend it with you something you got to blend it with something like a little more violent it's like the class most is was teaching at the springfield annex where even break dance and then do a backflip and then just

start blasting with a shotgun yeah i don't yeah i don't think i would ever be good at capoeira it looks a little bit too rhythmic for me i think of all the you hang on a rhythm got not enough to do this do they actually use it as a practical fighting style i thought it was more performance it is performance, but there are some dudes that practice Capoeira that have gone on to compete in MMA. Listen, we're talking about cauliflower here. If some gentleman or

lady is ready to fight you at a bar and they start dancing first, that's also someone you do not want to tangle with, I promise you. It probably de-escalates it. If I saw somebody just started dancing, I'd be like, that's pretty cool. But that's how they get you. They're like, oh, dancing, everything's fine, bam.

Then they attack? Yeah. Yeah, there's some great Capoeira knockouts if you want to look it up on YouTube um just like knockouts that you would never see a guy that you know what it looks like the dudes that are practicing capoeira in an actual mama fight they look like they think they're superheroes because they're like bounding all over the place and they're doing these exaggerated leaps and stuff it's very cool to watch but also i feel like you have to be really really good at it in order to to compete against somebody what's the uh what's the new zealand is it the Haka.

The Haka, yeah. The war dance. Yeah, like any war dance usually has me pretty on edge. Like, that would, that would rat out on me for sure. It usually doesn't work, like, when we play New Zealand and in the Olympics and basketball, like, it's not that intimidating then. But if we're about to throw hands, like, yeah, I can see that being intimidating. It's intimidating.

They just not good. They tip off the ball, rifle one off the backboard. all right, well, the dance, you're tired from the dance. You shouldn't have danced. But, like, during that, you can tell, like, every time, like, people were like, yo, that shit, fire, whatever it is. But then, you know, the whistleblowing, like, oh, y'all suck. I mean, it's LeBron James.

I don't get to fuck what that. Y'all are ass. It's intimidating as fuck on a rugby field, though. Yeah, I can see that. We used to play against some teams in Texas that were largely composed of guys from the Pacific Islands, and they would do a haka before the game, and it was scary because are like big dudes and they get angry when they do the hockey and it's like yeah okay i i'm second guessing my choice to be here right now i got to see it up close at uh usa versus new zealand

at fedex field back in october and so they i was down like on the field level watching the hawka it's scary as hell you know what's the thing about the haka if the the craziest thing about the hockey i guess in the basketball perspective uh it didn't really but they back it up every single time when it comes to football and rugby do they do it like in chess

where like what is it acceptable to do the Haka they'd so like I saw they need to be more judicious about who gets to do the hockey yeah like the basketball team shouldn't be allowed to do the Haka

I saw the Haka done to like for like a headmaster of an all boy school in I think New Zealand he was like retiring and like the whole like school did the Haka to send them off

and that was pretty hype that was a video but like New Zealand's decent at Balser fall against the rest of the world so i don't want to strip it from them entirely it's just when you play us like maybe they shouldn't bring it like do they do it in hockey they have a hockey they have a hockey they can't do it on ice do the hawk on ice new zealand that's kind of that's getting south enough that it starts to get cold so maybe we got some most of the world just doesn't

play hockey new zealand ice hockey well they actually probably play field hockey oh no i've got one i've got a nice hockey Haka. Oh, really? Does they win? Going to have to check this one out. They were playing Iceland, I would assume not. Oh, they got shit pumped. And the Iceland team is just standing at the red line, kind of looking at them, like,

are we supposed to, like, pay our respects while they do this? Do we do it back at them? This is, like, what are they, like, the thing, the thing about the Haka is that no one's allowed to, like, no one has a response for it. No. If you do, it would be so forced. That shit fires. It's original.

You just got to take it. That's way cooler than our pregame ritual. It is what it is. Y'all got it. I think. I won't watch. Didn't like two teams do the Haka against each other? Like Fiji played.

Yeah, when the two teams. Yeah, that's hype. That's your fire. I want to pull that up later. At that point, I think they either have to fight or kiss. Like, you can't play whatever sport you were supposed to play. Yeah. Like, Fiji and New Zealand aren't allowed.

to play rugby game against each other. They have to do straight up old-fashioned warfare. There were, I was talking to that guy, Tinday, the South African rugby player, The Beast. Oh, yeah. He's like a goat. And I was asking him about his response to the Haka and what he would do when they were doing it.

Because there's no rule that says that you have to, like, stand there at midfield and just get dressed. And let another man Hockey in your face. He was like, no, I wouldn't, I wouldn't pay attention. I would just continue on my warmups and get. stretched and all that stuff on my own. Some teams link arms and they just stand at midfield and just take a haka to the face. There's no need for that. I don't need, I need to put that out of my sight, just like don't even pay attention to it. I'll be like, I'll be like Evan

McPherson or Robbie Gold just like kicking field goals through the Haka. I think that's when you get killed. Yeah, probably. I thought it was like a form of respect. I thought it was them like someone in their ancestors or something like that and kind of just like paying respect to the whole process. I could be wrong. I don't know, but that's what I thought. It is. Yeah, it's a, it's a sign of respect to their ancestors and like a tribute to the old warriors that came before them. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But at the same time, like, that's your, those are your warriors. I don't, I don't need to stand there and just like have. Your warriors. Yeah. I mean, you could, you could. My Irish bare knuckle fighting. Yeah. Fuck that.

Are you, are you saying that you're suggesting taking a deed during the Haka? All I'm saying is like, look how close they can get to you in the Hocker. No, no, no, no, no. We ain't going to all eyes matter, convolut, that shit. That was a form of respect, too, Blair. I know, I know.

But, like, if you did, would people get angry? If you, what? Took a knee to take me. Not if you explained why you're doing it. I think that might be a good way to, like, to take away the Haka's juice. Take away their momentum. Like, how do you defend against the Haka? You don't.

You just don't watch it. By the way, New Zealand. I would want to experience it. love to watch that shit line. Oh, yeah. New Zealand beat Iceland six to five in that hockey game, by the way. Damn. What?

Cool. Yeah. How can that? I'm with them. I'm right with them. You know what the New Zealand national team is called in hockey? So the rugby team is called the All Blacks. Their basketball team, they called him the Tall Blacks.

I'm serious. That doesn't work against USA. I'm going to need a source for that, dog. The Ice Hockey team is called the Ice Blacks. that's a pretty cool name it's on nz dot basketball which is their official

like national team's website says tall blacks yeah they're the tall blacks that's crazy that might just be what they call basketball which is problematic but how do you stomp in ice skates

yeah it's tricky it's not the same sound because you can't make the sound but you have the pads which make the louder slapping sounds that's the Loki the most intimidating being part of the Haka is when they slapped their thighs and it just makes it sound like

a gunshot because they're all hitting their bare thighs at the same time. It's very scary. Wow. And I don't know if y'all did this. I was going to say, I don't know if y'all did this was like a high school football I played a school football. It was like before the game, like everybody would have like a little tap. Oh yeah.

That was fire. When you, that took a lot of musical like the actual padding. the coordination the coordination like like our squad didn't have any trouble

with that part man no because if you if you mess it if you mess it up like but I remember

there's one viral video where like a whole team started doing it and like really did basically a whole like musical number yeah we're ready I still remember

my own yeah yeah Yeah, you know, some whole squad doing that shit, huh? Yeah, some, some teams just did the one, like, mine was ready down. Let me take it, let me take it, let you just go down, like, some simple stuff. You did, you did the we will rock you, didn't you? Yeah, the way, yeah, we did the we will rock you.

Like, then we played teams that had way better, like, like, ones where they did, like, whole musical number and we're just like shit. Ours was. I would be willing to bet I would be willing to bet I would be willing to bet I've seen remember the Titans we weren't that good I'd be willing to bet there's a strong correlation between the intricacy of a team's pregame

rhythmic routine and the score of the games in what who's that in what direction down south that comes out to, they have like the tiger cage that they like wheel in and they break through that. Oh, the hog? Is this a high school? Yeah, it's a high school. Oh, come out to C murder or C murder, uh, my name of a song I cannot say.

Appreciate you, uh, correcting yourself and mispraciation. No hard hour on C murder. Out of respect. They come out to that. They've got like a full jail. Yeah. That they, I believe they call it the tiger pin and they like, they're like tearing it down yeah the purge they play the purge music right i don't know that i've seen that i've seen

it there's one they play that at the beginning and then it goes yeah the siren yeah like the but then there's uh there's another one where the high school team brings out their offensive lineman in a hog hog in a hog carrier yeah that's just releasing that's pretty cool they released that's that's guys being due that has nothing to do with intimidation well you bring out the hogs there's no i get they had some big boys they had some big boys on that team there's there's one there's one team that comes out in the mac i forget which one it is but they just eastern michigan they've got the wall of cinder blocks and then a couple guys with sledgehammers and they just like bash the cinder blocks and then they just all run over the blocks and run out

into the field yeah oh i'm on i found what coli's talking about yeah so it's it says the tiger cage there's dudes hanging off the top of it yeah and they're they're just all yeah like they're in a and then they come out yeah they're they're ready i i think Whatever game went viral the first time they did it, I actually think they lost, but I'm pretty sure they're like a good team, like outside. Yeah. I think I think they played like IMG or one of those like something like that. Not Bishop Sycamore, but like a real Bishop is a real fake school. Yeah.

Yeah. All right. Let's get into our next bit of mixed martial arts, martial arts urban survival trading this time. This is going to be Dale Brown. Dale Brown is a guy from Detroit Urban Survival Training. You've seen them online. You've seen the videos. It's probably the hardest dude in the world.

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needs no introduction. It's Dale Brown. He is Commander Brown, excuse me, from Detroit Urban Survival Training. You run the threat management center at Detroit Urban Survival Training. You can find him on Cameo as well. Or if you want to go train with him, he is currently accepting new clients. Are they trainees students students up at the dust center so first of all thank you very much for joining us. We're glad that you're here. I was hoping that maybe we could just start off by having you walk us through your history, where you come from, why you decided to go down this line of work. And if you haven't followed him on social media, he's a must follow. You need to go follow their Instagram account right now. He's gone viral hundreds of times it feels like he can't. You can't help it see his face. But can you just walk us through how you got to where you are today? Well, I started in Detroit just wanted to teach people how to defend themselves legally. So I thought after training in martial arts, you know, as a kid and a young adult, I thought, you know, why are we not learning the law with our tactics, right?

So I was in the military. I was a private investigator when I got the military. and I was always a firearms enthusiast and with the firearms and knives and baton and all the types of training that I participated in, I thought it was interesting. None of the schools actually blended all the weapons together and none of them took into account law. So I thought, why don't we as civilians have the chance to attend a school that would teach us how to fight standing up, fight on the ground, fight multiple aggressors? fight with a baton, a pistol, a shotgun, a rifle, a knife, fight with environmental weapons, but fight with regular clothes on, meaning our shoes, you know, something close to what you normally wear, and then do it legally. Why is there no law? Why is there no integration of weapons?

We live in the United States where there's lots of weapons. And so why is there not a school I can go to where there'd be lots of weapons training and included with that would be the legal use of force as a civilian that I could use to protect myself, my family, and others. And so that's what I created was a school so you could actually legally protect yourself. And that's what I started in 1994, teaching in parks. I didn't have any money,

so I was teaching wherever I could. YMCA, Ecclectic count was the name of the system that I created, Ecclactic, meaning of British tiles and K-N is a Japanese suffix of a mean system or place away. And essentially, I thought, we need as civilians a way to study and train in tactics and legally be able to spend ourselves. So it was my first endeavor.

Have you ever been in a situation personally where you've had to disarm a would-be assailant? Absolutely. So we're in Detroit and we protect people 24 hours a day, seven days a week. And I started off with a dog and a rifle on the east side of Detroit. And I had to stop murders and home invasions. and that's how I got started as a protective service organization. So when I first started, it was just to teach people. And then a girl was chased up a bridge off the Belle Isle Bridge in front of a crowd of people

that the news media said was cheering as she was yanked out of a car after having her door crowbar opened by three men. Her clothes were stripped off of her in front of her daughter, her teenage daughter. and then she was, as a crowd, they said, was cheering for her death. She jumped off the bridge to save her life or tried to. And she couldn't swim and she drowned. But the news media reported that the crowd was cheering, that she was, you know, hearing for her death.

And I didn't believe that. I actually believed that that was a lie. The media was lying. But I knew this, that if I had somebody on that bridge or if I was in that bridge, I could have stopped these men from doing that to that. to that mother and their daughter. And that was what changed me from that point, from a person focusing on business

to focusing on getting training in the hands of the people that needed the most. And so I moved to the east side, Detroit, where it's very rough. The place that I was living, the building I was living in was probably middle class. It was right on East Jefferson, which is a major road.

But all the buildings around it is what they called, at risk. And my idea was to create a school there, but what happened was I found out that the people need more than a school. And so I had to create an organization and I used people from the streets of Detroit volunteers to protect their community. I got permission from the building owner of 10 of the buildings and other building owners as well once they found out who were successful there to stop the home evasion of murders.

And they were very reluctant at first, especially the first building owner who just literally was not interested. Even though these people were paying him every one, he was at 30% occupants. And that's his problem was he said, well, why would I, why would I invest in safety for these people in this community, hundreds of families when I'm not making any money? And I haven't made money since the 60s. And this conversation is in the 90s, 95. So he couldn't understand that my theory was we need to make the family safe anyway. It doesn't matter. And so what I did with us, it said, well, give me six months. And he said, specifically, what do you think you can do the entire police department can do? And I've been in here for, you know, these buildings for 30 years. And I said, you know what? That's a very good.

point. Actually, at that moment, I really thought, man, I didn't think about that. What can I do? What can I do? What can one person do when you got these gangs home evading and murdering people? And so I said, I just, you know, I just know that legally I need the rights to control the space. I have to be able to be in position. And I have to be able to have the legal right to control the space. And that's what I did. So I made the deal. And that's how I was able to get my first school, which was about 500 square feet. And then I was able to stop home evasion murders by focusing on creating conditions for families to survive. And what happened was that building owner who was already wealthy got richer as a result of the poor people and the working class people not being home invaded and murdered anymore. I had to stop a couple home invasions. And after the violent criminals found out that I'm willing to die and kill for the families, the violent criminals did two things. One, they tried to become very friendly. The other thing is they ran to the other blocks and left this community alone. And those are two options they had, and they chose them.

And what I can say is that what I learned was most important all these past 26 years is that psychology is the most important aspect of human performance. And I did not know any of that because I grew up in the suburbs. I didn't know anything about any of this extreme violence and bloodshed until I came. to Detroit and had to put my life at risk for others for no money. So these people did not have any money. There's no money to be had. And the rich people weren't believing that you could actually make a difference in the first place. And so I just thought that, you know, if I died, it would be a good death. So this would be a good way of dying as a warrior. This would be a good death for me because at least I got a chance to take some people out that

were curvy, right of that are robbing, raping, killing families. You're basically Batman. Yeah, but poor version of Batman, extremely poor. But I say my budget was negative $600 a month when I started. I don't know how you started with a negative budget, but I did it. Wow. I was using a lot of words. I mean, thank you so much for coming on.

Your story is pretty inspiring. A lot of people, when they see the memes, they see everything. I don't think they really hear that side of what you're doing and, you know, the actual service that you've done to your community. And, yeah, I was reading up on the way. website about how the basically you help foster an economic boom in eastern Detroit if I'm not right right that's my community I was in so I didn't know it's at the time what happens is when the families are safe occupancy goes from these

apartment buildings there's 500 dwellings in 10 different buildings approximately and so out of the say you know 500 dwellings there's only 10% of the guys are the people are criminals 10%. So that means 90% of the people are just regular people, working class people or senior citizens that are four and older trying to survive. And the young thug, and we're going to thug animals, because these guys were not, these were not criminals. They weren't, and I didn't know this watching TV, didn't teach anything about this, but these guys are not after taking something from you and moving on. They want to take your life, but only after they torture you. They only torture men, women, and children that they believe cannot hurt them. They are, or if you're not

paying attention, they'll get you. But they are definitely not economic-based criminals. They don't need things from you. That's an excuse to torture you, to harm you and in your family. And so I'd learn the difference with a criminal. This is a criminal-minded person. And what I called what I, what I created psychologically a term for how to define the difference, the thug animal would rape, rob and kill you no matter what. He just, is that compliance does not matter. And so you can, you know, try to comply. They'll still shoot you.

They don't care about the money. The point is to torture you and watch you writh in pain. And the reason I figured else by communicating with them over years, what they're doing is it's called pain. I call it pain share. They were abused. They were neglected. They were tortured.

They watched their mothers get torture, their fathers get torture, whatever it was. And as a result, they themselves are now channeling the pain that they felt as kids on to others, the suffering onto others. And that's why they want to put the gun in your mouth. That's why they want to torture you. That's why they don't care if you give them the car. They still shoot you anyway. It's not about the car. It's not about the vagina or raping or any stuff of things. It is about torturing and power and feeling a sense of empowerment over your victim. And that predatory mindset is what is not portrayed in the news media. It's not something I saw in movies. So I didn't identify it at first. I thought it was.

I thought that no one would just, you know, rape rob and kill people for no reason or that there was, you know, there's got to be some kind of logic behind it. And that's not true. The logic is in an understanding human behavior and understanding how people transfer the pain that they felt onto others. And I also learned that the only way you're truly going to be able to protect people is if you love people. If you do not love people, you will not be able to put your life on the line for others. There's nothing to money. And if you think you're going to make money off of poor people, that's never going to happen. And if you think you're going to some, somehow survive going into violent conditions where people are being rape, robbing killed, and that's going to somehow be profitable. That's completely not the case. It will not happen.

So a lot of bloodshed. We learned a lot of things over the years. And so after thousands of team members that I've trained, and as we trained, we went out. So the difference between us and others is we take our training, we physically go out and protect the community. So in then 1995, 96, 96 is when I made the transition to an actual organization that physically protects people, and that's because we had to. And I actually, I didn't want to.

I thought I was going to be like a liaison, helping people train them, teaching them how to communicate with police so they can make reports properly. And so they could know how to convey the information to police and the police could prosecute people. And then I discovered that that was not going to be adequate. that I literally had to physically go out with a group and create the protection that we needed.

And so I can't work 24 hours, day, seven days a week. I had to have more people than just me that could actually physically make a difference and protect people consistently. So when you call us, we're coming and, you know, there's no better teacher than the heuristics involved in actual application. So what I got a chance to see was what happens when you attack me about your weight class. what happens when they transition to firearms, knives, bottles, bats, what actually happens when you're dealing with these multiple aggressors and there's almost never going to be a fair fight.

There's almost never going to be a one-on-one. And almost never at any time someone going to be in your way class. And then at the end of all your altercations, there is going to be nine times out of ten police interaction. So if you don't know legally how to defend yourself, you don't know how to legally articulate the threat, you literally cannot just get sued. I mean, you're poor.

You can get sued anyway, right? But you could actually go to prison. And a lot of good people are in prison. So on top of getting killed, which is what happens to people to intervene without having the appropriate knowledge to manage extreme threat conditions like multiple aggressors and firearms and knives in close quarters. Another thing happens is you end up getting prosecuted. And these people are getting prosecuted. They're good people. They were doing something to protect someone or protect others.

And they did know how to articulate it legally when the police arrived. Right. And so as, you know, that's what we teach. So Billy here, his hands were registered as weapons because he was a professional boxer. So he had to be mindful in certain situations like I could get myself into legal problems if I deployed the use of these weapons that are attached to my arms. So that was something that we were always mindful of making sure that Billy stayed out of trouble and they didn't accidentally hurt or severely injure somebody trying to defend anybody else's honor.

I feel like the next step for you at this point since you're everywhere now has got to be like Hollywood. Has Hollywood come calling? You could be the next Steven Seagal and you could be the guy, the guy that takes on 200 bad guys at once, makes them all submit and then converts them into being good guys after they made them all tapped. That would be my movie, right? Conversion into good people. Yeah. So, you know, I don't know, man. As long as we get the word out there, we use humor, if we use, you know, notoriety or famous people, as long as we let people know, they don't have to let people rape rob and kill them. They can actually have some intelligent options to increase their survivability

rather than just hoping. So a lot of people, you know, they don't realize that people are being murdered every day that are, you know, just doing what exactly what they were told. They got in the trunk of the car. They had sex against their will. They gave them the car. They allowed everything to happen to them and they still got killed. And me personally, I experienced that.

when I was just out of the military, I was 21. I was a prime investigator, and I was actually robbed by four men, young men, and I thought the young men were kids, like college kids or something, and they were wearing cross-colors. And I was like 200 and maybe, maybe I was like 200 pounds. And these kids were all like 140, 1.30. And so I really was not intimidated at all. I'm carrying a stun gun and a firearm. And they, you know, all, the two of them pulled guns.

The other one was in the middle searching me, and they're all at point-flank range. And I remember thinking, I'm about to do a great gun disarm. I'm 21. I was training all these different martial arts. Koki Shinkai was my favorite at the time. And, I mean, I was so excited. I was about to take this gun. And then all of a sudden, the second gun pushed into my rib cage.

And I was like, oh, man, two people could have guns at the same time. I've never even thought of that. And I, you know, I complied like I was supposed to. You know, I had no other options anyway. a known option of the time. And after I gave them everything, these guys walked across the street. And I technically didn't give my shoes,

but I was going to give them my shoes. It's just the guy got scared and started walking back because his friends started leaving him behind. So I learned more about psychology through actual application. But this... You're going to give him the shoes to, like, sweeten the pot a little bit?

No. Like, I know you didn't ask for him, but maybe we could be friends. He was demanding my Jordan. And I was like, come on, man. You got everything. You have everything. You don't need to, come on.

So I stepped on the shoe slowly, and he got scared because I was so much bigger than him. And 200 pounds, I'm only 5'9. I wasn't very big compared to him. I mean, to him I was big, but I wasn't a very big guy. But these guys were that little that they were that scared that once they started break apart and other people backed off because they grabbed things from me and started backing away. The point is that what I thought was going to be robbery and they're going to leave because

I didn't fight and do anything. The guys started looking down the street and started shooting at people down the street. And I remember thinking, you can't even tell those are men or women down the street. You just start shooting down there. And then the guy took my pistol off of me. It was in the middle of me. He was it right in the front. He took my gun and held it at my chest.

And he was trying to, like, shoot the gun. I remember thinking, like, what's he doing? Why is he holding the gun? Just holding it there. He wasn't holding it there. He was like a Beretta-style pistol. And the magazine was actually broken. And so it, the breto that I had, this bretta style pistol, it was, it won't fire if the magazine's not fully seated.

So he didn't realize the bottom of it had some tape on it. And the bottom of the mag was kind of dipping down as a result. He couldn't pull the trigger. And he said he could pull the trigger, but he couldn't make it fire. And he couldn't, I guess he didn't know how to cock the weapon or anything. But he was sitting here trying to figure out how to turn the safety off and how to make it work. And that's where I realized. that's what he's trying to. He's trying to shoot me with my own gun in my chest. I remember thinking,

my God, this guy has actually tried to kill me with my gun. And at that time, I had a bullet in the chamber. I don't teach that now, but I did, I didn't believe in at that moment. And I remember thinking, this guy, I didn't realize because they're all talking at the same time, by the way. So I'm like, this guy is still sitting here with the gun on my chest. I'm never thinking, he's still in front of me with the gun. And he's looking perplexed. Then he just backs off. And then they go across the street, start shooting. And then as I backed away out to the street, I tried to get like a lights played or see what kind of car they had or, you know, maybe parked around the bench block.

They got down about, I want to say, maybe 50 yards and started shooting at me from 50 yards away in the dark. I fell in the ground, act like I got shot and they took off. And I remember thinking, you're shooting at someone who's standing here. I didn't even move. I didn't, like, go towards them. I stood in the street and they still shot at me. Yeah.

And I remember thinking, that's crazy. I thought if you just do what they say, they won't shoot you. What year was this? That's in, that was like 90, 92, 92. Do you think you escalated the situation by wearing Jordans in Detroit? He wasn't the most popular character of Detroit back then. Yeah, yeah, that might be it. I mean, they had cross colors on too.

So it did the cross colors, then I have the Jordans. Dangerous. You answered one of my questions that I had for you, which is, you ever thought about just playing dead? That's kind of my move. That's just going awesome, right? you can't kill me twice I should start my own dojo

and my own form of martial arts and it's just martial arts for cowards where you just you just like grab your ankle and you're like out time out you call a time out and that buys you at least a half second right no no you don't have to do that

because I've been on the internet now for the past few months and I have just discovered that there is a love affair with cowardice I mean these guys I have never seen such proud cowardice It's like, oh, don't do what Dale Brown says. You should just run away.

You should just run. I would run. I ran away. I've been robbed many times. I tell you something. This Dale Brown is stupid. He's a fighting. He should not be fighting.

You just let them rob you. They have knife. They have gone. You shall run away. That's what you should do. Don't listen to that Del Brown. He's crazy. I'm very skilled and I run away.

Every time. Okay? Well, guess what? In real life, in the United States, I can't run away. Not only can I not run away. They don't want to run away because violent criminals are not allowed to just kill people around me. And so what I learned was that I have to be the most dangerous person in the room. That's where I had to keep training and change my mindset.

And I had learned that a lot of the training that I had is not going to be the kind of training I need if I want to make a human stop functioning. I was not taught that. I was taught out of punch and kick with the idea that my punching and kicking will cause them not to want to continue or I'll have more points. or I'll be able to, uh, to strike them in such a way. They will not be able to continue, but they won't be severely injured. Um, and they can actually, we can spar tomorrow. We can, you know, we can have a competition again. We can do all kinds of things.

Hard and spreads. Yeah. But if I'm going to be fighting for my life, I'm going to be stopping violent, people have intention to kill me. That's not going to be that what I'm going to have to do. I'm going to have to damage the person in such a way that they're not functional. And that is, uh, what I learned and what I learned I had to do. And then what we had a chance to actually have to do.

And in doing that, I also learned a lot about the psychology of survival versus my sports psychological background. So a different mindset, I had to develop a different mindset to meet the needs of my conditions, of what myself and my team members were experiencing. So when you get shot at and stabbed and people try to stab you and shoot you, and then your team members do get shot and they do get stabbed, you have to actually physically deal with these individuals that have shot and stabbed your team members. and you actually have to render aid, first aid to your team members and to total strangers that have been shot and stabbed. You learn a lot about the psychology that you have to have and the psychology of others

as relates to survival versus fighting. And so the core difference I've learned is that one is something you agree to and one is essentially one you have to respond to in order to survive, two separate worlds. Right. And my goal is to share that information with people so they can increase their survivability

for them and their families. Great. So we've got Arian Foster here, and Arian is kind of like you, except he's, if you taught people how to defend yourself against wolves.

Arian is the, I think, world champion, human to wolf, hand-to-hand combat. You're right number one, I think. But, yeah,

Aaron, I want to see, you have any questions for Dale? Excuse me, Commander Brown? Yeah, yeah, what's going on, brother? I'm interested in some of the logic,

but how would you say? Man, man, just because, I mean, I came in an interview late, and you might have addressed this already. But from what I gather, I'm going to just ask you before I assert, do you, when you train people, do you train them to defend themselves with aggression first? Like, is that the first option you exercise, like to protect yourself? Oh, absolutely. Absolutely.

What is the technology, law, skill, that order. So it's actually a survival system. Right. So it's for civilians and police, the police just have a lot more leeway. I'm more, I'm more interested in a civilian because I'm in the police. There's a whole different conversation, but I'm more interested in the civilian training. Right. So psychologically, the first thing we do is we teach psychology, law, and skill in that order. And so psychology allows you to, enables you to know how to project body language in such a way that violent criminals that are predatory don't want to you in the first place. Then understanding body language, how to read. Read is an acronym

which stands for recognizing evasive, aggressive, deceptive behavior. Read is part of the foundation of our psychological training, and that's how you learn how to interpret the body language so you know who is a real threat versus a false threat. And then using that information, in our case, now to create a non-adversarial interaction for a nonviolent outcome. So specifically, how do you approach someone in a way that is positive, but still strong, so they don't want to be aggressive and violent, but at the same time, you're able to join mirror and placate so you can create a positive interaction with them. And that means that you have to, when you join mirror and placating, you're actually creating a trust bond. And that trust bond, you're creating a condition

where they can comply with your objectives because you make them believe it's in their best interest. And that's how you're able to create positive outcomes and non, and non, and avoid violent outcomes. So by design. That's not how I started. When I started, it was extreme aggression. When I started the 90s, it was how to be the most violent, aggressive person upfront. If there's going to be guns, I make sure I have more of them and more rounds and sufficient and significant types of ammunition so that I can make the difference necessary into multiple aggressors simultaneously. It's hard of war. I learned not to be that way. So what diverted you from that line of thought?

Experience. So as the bloodshed continued and lots more bloodshed, we got really good at bloodshed, meaning dominating violent people, groups, individuals, and we're getting further and further into dominating them consistently, I developed compassion through reality. So in reality, these are real people and these are people with families. So the enemy, I think of people as the enemy, right? this gang, this individual, this psychopath, these thug animals are the enemy. And that's not true.

The enemy is simply violence, violence. I don't care if in a gang now, I mean, at that time, I cared that gangs were around our families. And I thought, you know, we have to protect them. But the truth is, their families as well. So you have to treat everyone like humans. You have to treat everyone like family. And I learned that, you know, through time.

I changed through time. So through bloodshed, I learned there was ways to avoid this. And then I understood, I began to understand the importance of nonviolence, meaning if you like to stay free and you don't want prison and you don't want death for yourself, that you need to focus on creating positive interactions so you're not creating the pathway to death. And that's what's going to happen. If you're creating the condition of pathway for violence, you're going to create more violence. And so that's why we teach against it, both with police and civilians, but we came from a world of extreme violence. violence of action. I believe in being superior and significant. I thought the best thing to do is make sure you and your team are the most violent people in the room so you can dominate.

And then I learned through years of experience that is exactly the opposite of what you need to be thinking about. If you want a better life, a better quality of life for yourself and others, you need to figure out a way to not have the violence. And the only way to do that is to remove the fear. So threat management is preventive threat management is a system. that we teach, and that preventive threat management is the system that teaches how to create the non-adversarial interactions for nonviolent outcomes by design. So you don't have to hope that this person doesn't swing on you. You don't have to hope that they don't pull out a knife or gun. With our training system, we teach you and show you what we do to stop them from believing they need

to pull it out. There's no need. There's no gain. There's no perception of opportunity. Once you deny that psychologically, and you create a path for them to go down peacefully down a another pathway, then you can create that outcome. So now we use that successfully for dealing with every kind of extreme violence from people that are, you know, they're there to actively shoot people, people that are there to that are actually kicking doors trying to home invade people, people that actually home invade them. We're physically able to stop them, get them under custody when they do commit crimes.

But most of what we're really successful at and what we're proud of is creating conditions where they don't come into your community, where they don't come in your house. And that is the training itself. Without the training, we would not succeed. I would not be here. There's absolutely no money in protecting poor people or what we do,

which is protecting domestic violence victims, stalking victims, and crime witnesses for free for 26 years. So none of our victims that we've been protecting have been killed after contacting us, and they were sent to us by prosecutors' offices, by judges, by police advocates, some cases, police

officers, and these are extreme conditions where some gang or individual wants to kill this person, has done so before, attempted to, and is going to, again, for some benefit, like it's a court date coming up, and we have been protecting these people,

these normally are poor people, sometimes the working class people, for free for the past 26 years, and none of them are dead. More importantly, just as important as all the families that we protect 24 hours a day seven days a week throughout Detroit

and multiple communities are also alive and safe and that's because of our training not because of you know hope and luck and so with a deal we would not be successful no I appreciate you and so I just got a couple more things man because I'm just curious this whole thing is fascinating to me man

because like if you look at like any like most data points of like violence at home burglaries or anything like that the majority of it is like from people that you know it's right yeah so it's it's rare it's rarer that you'll find like strangers getting robbed right so and so um i think i think a broader point right is i guess what you just said is very important which is why on my videos and i said this in my videos but people ignored it i specifically show people how not to kill and injure people I really focused on that, and then people took it the wrong way, as in to say that, that, you know, oh, that training is not going to hurt people.

No, it can hurt people. We're just showing you how not to hurt people, because mostly who are you going to have problems with? It's your family. It's your friends. It's your neighbors. It's people that work. So I'm glad you brought that up to the point. Right.

So real quick, real quick, P. One of the broader points I'm going to address, right, is I think is we have like a marketing problem in the country that has been going on for a very long time. And I think that and you spoke on both sides of the fences I'm curious to your outlook of it, right? Because on one side you say, the years of experience taught you to have compassion for these people

because you understand it. The reason why they hurt people was because they've been hurt people, right? But then on the other side of fence, you label them as thug animals, right? And so that kind of branding to me, especially because when you're talking about those folks, you're talking about people that look like me and you, the majority I would assume

that you're talking about. And so that that otherizes people and demonizes people which leads to a lot of either implicit or unimplicit bias in policing. There's a great point, but no. So I'm just curious as to why

you frame it like that, but knowing the other side and how you understand that compassion could change people's life. Great, great point. I'm glad you brought that out that it's vital. What you just said is vital. So what happens is when you think of people you know, we all have these biases, right?

Those biases are also false narratives. So in our mind, you think that all the things you're thinking are usually a false bias. They're a false axiom. You actually accepted them as things like, you know, the majority of people in prison are black people. Majority of people in welfare of black people. All these things are falsehoods. There's absolutely nothing to that. And the reality is that we think the word disproportionate means majority.

And that does not. Okay. So yes, things are just fortunate, but no, they are not the majority of any negative thing. So the bottom line is that imagine distorting the reality that this person that's got the gun on you just wants your chain. So imagine that distortion. Like, oh, they're poor people and only poor people are going to hurt you. But yet, if you studied reality, you'd find that Jeffrey Dahmer was eating people. Ted Bundy was in law school his last semester. Ted Kaczynski was a professor, which means he had a job when he was blowing up people for 20 years wearing a hoodie. So when you look at this reality, it doesn't match the narratives. And none of that is going to help you protect yourself and your family. So imagine if you think that a violent criminal is a guy with tattoos on his neck and tattoos on his face when in fact it's the clean cut looking guy who talks nice and doesn't cuss and goes to church and as a two-family household, two-parent household, goes to church, got plans to go to college, is in college, has graduated in college, runs a business. It turns out they're an evil person. But because you were thinking in this axiomatic, this American false axiom box, which is poor people

are the enemy. That's not true. The richest people in our country are the most destructive and the people that have done the most heinous crimes throughout history are also more wealthy with two-parent households and none of them are homeless. Bernie Madoff made off with more money that all the criminals in the history of America combined, and he had multiple homes. He was not homeless. Whatever homeless problems you have, guess what? You have 100 times that problem with people with a home.

You know, police took people in the custody. They went to their home where they searched warrant and they arrested them at a home because they were not homeless. But yet you're going to hear every night in the news, oh, homeless people attack someone. Homeless people say, how about homes people? For every homeless person to attack someone, many times that number were homes people.

My point is saying that is the false narrative affect your biases and that recency bias you're getting from watching TV is going to cloud your judgment. So now you think, oh my gosh, he's going to rob me, I'll be fine.

That is simply not true. The reason they think even people will say that is because they're talking to the people that didn't die on the street, they didn't get in the trunk and get killed, they didn't get killed in their bedroom.

They're talking about the people that made the police support they were alive. So hold on, real quick. So you're saying... They were not called robbery victims. Okay, they were called death. They were called murderers.

I got you. So I said my question is you, I guess your, your premises to stoke fear. And so when somebody is encountered, you should think that they're trying to kill you. No. What you're supposed to do is realize that these people that are violent criminals are going to kill you. That's what they do. Don't believe that they're not. But we disagree that there's, that's a small percentage of, of,

of interactions of non-violent or violent interactions. Yeah, yeah. I don't want to get into a background. I was just curious to your mindset. In my experience, in my experience, what happened was people believe that violent people with guns that are violent criminals can be trusted simply because they're using a false sort of logic

that makes absolutely no sense. And that is that somehow this person with a gun, to your head, to your neck, to your back of your skull, can be trusted with your life. And that's just not true. not true. And you should be armed with the ability to decide if you're going to allow yourself to be rape, robbed, and murdered. And if you don't want to allow this, then you should have intelligent options to resist. And that's the point of my training is to help people have

better options than just simply guessing. And we'll be honest, people are guessing and they're still winning. So Waffle House shooter took down an AR-15 guy who was naked, shooting a bunch of people. He killed four people and he would have killed more if this untrained electrician, Mr. Shaw, wouldn't have tackled him and took his rifle from him. So these things are happening every day. People are disarming, gunmen, active shooters have been disarmed by school teachers and students. But with my training, it just makes it easier.

You'll be more successful if you understood basic principles of how to remove a gun from someone's hands. And we're going to let you get back to your training and say, because I feel like every second we have you on this show, that's somebody that somebody who's live you could be saving out there. But before I do let you go, you mentioned something earlier like there's different environments for this type of survival training it can be on the street it can be in an office building it can be right here in our office

in new york city we have a person on our podcast uh big t who has come face to face with what could be reasonably called a rational actor a rational actor a life-threatening situation um i was wondering if you had any advice for him because what ended up happening was there was a there's an individual who works here in our office that picked up a blunt object and approached Big T and was threatening to strike him directly in the face with it from what six feet away? Well yeah, but this was after he threw. So he threw no, no, he threw an object from 15 yards away at a what, what speed did we determine it was 25 feet. It was a 12 ounce aluminum full alcoholic beverage.

And I think we calculated it was traveling around like 51 miles per hour through the air. Fast enough to do some damage. So, but then he approached our friend Big T. And he was about to do it in close quarters again. Just strike him directly in the face. How would you go about disarming would be assailant six feet away from you? They've got a blunt object of some sort. It could be a can of high noon.

It could be anything. Well, so essentially what you want to do is ahead of time, you want to try to use psychology to demotivate them at a distance. That's not going to work with this. A rational actor, remember. Let me throw this car ball in. What if you've been taunting this person before the attack? No, no, no.

Now this is the fake news media again. So if you can't, if you can't throwing something at them as you attack them is going to help you survive, increase your survivability. And so throwing something directly at him, which destabilizes his platform and making him feel like he can aim at you is vital and then rushing and closing the gap uh and so if you do get hit you know which this happens like real life i mean in real life someone has a knife or a gun you should expect to be shot or stabbed or stabbed repeatedly what you don't want to do is be shot or stab repeatedly like boxing you get box or be a boxer not getting punched okay you just don't

get punched a lot in the head that's a goal right obviously sometimes people get punched one time it's over but the reality is you're going to everything you do is either going to increase or decreased your likelihood of survivability. And so what I can tell you from a distance is the best thing to do is to throw something out of it, if it's readily available. If not, you just rush them and go at them so fast, the first thing you start thinking about is their own self-preservation. And that's what I've had to do many times, just because there was no other option based

on the distance and the timing and the fact that their intention was what it was. It was no other way. I couldn't take cover. I couldn't even, you know, reach for a rifle in some cases. You attack your attacker. And what I found is that you can fix the problems by going in on the attacker. And what happens psychologically when you go forward on the attacker, that means they've decided to attack you. As you rush them, you actually stabilize them psychologically because they can't believe you're actually attacking them.

And in some cases, especially with multiple aggressors, when they see you rushing them, it's shocking for them. And that can also help you in a real situation. And then you need to, once you get engaged, you need to make sure you're moving in a circle, not in a straight line forward or backward because that's going to help you attack them as you as you move around them and you go in their eyes you go to their throat and you go to their knees and you do not you do not and if you do punch it's just to open them up so you can get in their eyes getting their throat and get their knees so you're thinking stop them from fun so when striking to neutralize are you saying neck eyes throat throat highway what do you up here what's your

thoughts what's your thoughts on like the liver the kidney punch or like the chop the kidney not yeah okay no no definitely not and that's because in the street you know it's not uncommon have someone 100 to 200 pounds of your weight class and if you want to see something you want to see why that why in mma and boxing weight class is the beginning of the definition of qualifying for conflict um just go back to ufc1 and go look at tank avid and this other guy right because see the difference. I mean, it's, it makes a huge, and now imagine, that's the sport still. No one's really trying to kill each other. In the street, they're literally going to try to kill you. So the difference is going to be severe and significant psychologically. Just the fact

that you're now involved in a conflict, you did not agree to be in. So remember the difference between like, you know, some guys like, oh, I do street fighting. Okay, street fighting is not life and death normally. Okay. Yeah, you're just going to go outside the bar, they kick each other's ass and leave it alone. And so what I'm saying is that's not where you're used to. We're used to dealing with violent individuals and gangs. They have a purpose, which is to kill you, to take your life. And that's a different kind of energy with a different kind of purpose.

And so that's where the psychology of survival and psychology of sport are completely different. And it's important to understand that's my training is for your survival. I don't care if you're jujitsu, if you're a Kravagat, your firearms guys, stick person night fighter the training that we have for you is vital for your survivability because it's going to teach a lot about psychology law and skills that you'll need to bring days to closure in unusual ways especially when you're dealing with multiple aggressors so that's where we can be very beneficial to everyone follow a question on dealing with multiple assailants let's say you're walking home late at night back from the bar or something you're alone and you encounter a group of

individuals who you know are you have to sort of figure out that situation you know we've seen a lot of examples of people getting stomped out these sort of types of beatings if you're in that situation what should you do you mean when i was in that situation let me let me clear so when i was in those situations um what i did was um i did different things and i found out what worked best what worked best is attack your attacker uh the mouthpiece of one running his mouth is usually running his mouth because he's got a tough guy with him so many trusts like uh it's either his cousin or a really good friend it's not going to leave him standing and that big guy usually a bigger guy he's the tough guy he's a little quieter the guy running his mouth he's usually the mouthpiece

but he's only confident because of his big guy so or it or his tough guy it's the actual fighter guys on his on his team and so you figure out who that is that split second because they're usually running a mouth block where they're what they're doing is they're sizing you up so the first thing predators are going to do is going to look at you when they choose you they're going to approach you the next thing it was going to verbally say something to check you to check your response your verbal response which helps them determine if you're still a good target so look at you they thought i can take him we can take them let's go let's go jump this guy then uh with these guys or guys girls uh then they say okay now that we've gotten we've made the decision the first the next thing was

say something say something stupid sometimes they say something neutral other times they say something aggressive, disrespectful to see your response. So after they do the verbal check to see if you're a good victim for them to choose, the next thing they're going to do is they're going to do a physical check. They block your way or push you or something stupid. They're still assessing you for victimization. They haven't made the full decision yet. It's like three stages.

And so what you want to do is use those three stages to change their behavior. And the first one is, of course, not be a good target visually if you can. And that means to not show signs of fear. Or if you can't, get out of there. If you could, you go get in the house, get in the building, shut the door, lock the door, drive away. If you had that ability. If not, then you need to go towards them because that's not what they're expecting you to do. You need to transpose yourself.

You need to go towards that person or persons that you believe might be trying to victimize you. And then what happens is that's counterintuitive, that's not normal. What happens is psychologically that throws them off. So they're already off. Like, why are you coming? If I'm the predator with a larger group, why are you coming towards us? why are you doing that? And so that right there automatically throws them off,

especially when they know you did it on purpose, but you keep it positive and strong. And that means that you're not being challenging, but you're letting them know I'm not scared of you at the same time. That reduces a whole section of people of these kind of predators because they're the kind of people that don't want to, they don't want to get injured at all. Their point of jumping people is to make sure they don't get hurt.

My point is the last thing's physical, that's the last thing you're going to do before they actually pull the gun, or they just start stomping you out. and that's where you can stop that as well by not being physically affected by the push that they tried, the physical action. And when they see that you can't physically affect you,

it causes them a sense of panic. When you don't respond properly, it causes them internally a sense of panic. And that's how you can actually use that to destabilize them and make them choose other people to go a target. Now, if you don't do that, they're going to attack you,

and you can be a great fighter, And if you're not used to deal them off the grass at the same time, you're not using the cars. You're not using tables. You're not using buildings as comfort to help to wipe them off as you're moving around. Then they're going to obviously overwhelm you. And so in every person that you strike, you need to hit them in the eyes. You got him in the throat. You got to hit through the knees.

And you got to hit through the knees. You don't want to kick at their knee. You want to go through the knee to the ground. You're going to get hit. You accept that psychologically. You're going to get stabbed. You're going to get shot. When you're in life and that struggle, you're going to be injured.

That's not what you're trying to necessarily avoid. Be great if you could. That's not realistic. What you want to avoid is being killed. So you have to focus that no matter what happens to me, I'm going to drive through this. So when you're bleeding profusely and you still got to stay, hold your ground, you still got to do that because if you don't, it's going to get much worse. Just turning your back on aggressors and trying to walk away, trying to get away from them.

And by the way, the chance of you being able to defeat. violent criminals, and by running, it's highly unlikely. So a lot of them are really good runners. The chance of them, unless you're a runner, if you know your good tracks are, go and run. But if you have not been running lately, this is not a good time to start jogging. You played wide receiver, so he's pretty, he's pretty quick afoot. We're going to let you go. We appreciate your time.

My last, last question, do you think that you could defeat all of us at once? If we encircled you, so it's me, Billy, he was a football player. Again, fist, lethal weapons. he's got experience in violent hand-to-hand situations. Arian Foster played in the NFL for a while could beat a wolf and then Coley, who's a big boy

and then we also have Mad Dog. And Mad Dog has a knife. Nobody else is armed but it's the group of us against you in a gym. And she's from Ohio. That's also a note. About the size of your dojo. She likes to hang out at gas stations.

I didn't know someone's from Ohio. I didn't know that. I didn't know. I told me how to front. I would have to use my long, my long distance running skills. So yeah, that's why we make really big magazines and very large bore. So yeah, I'd be fine. Okay. Well, hopefully one day we'll get up to Detroit and we'll see you in person. We'll have you put us through a little training regiment. Yeah, it'd be fun, guys. Teach us how to, how to disarm each other in this group. I think that would be really close. You'll love it. You'll love it. Seriously. come on by it's great it's actually um it's it's oh it is amazing so yeah i got uh everything from

you know military guys the sports guys with uh law enforcement guys come in they really cannot believe it not just new dog not just uh rick ross uh these are these are people that are um in extreme um extreme jobs involving firearms that really thought that you could hold someone with a firearm and there's no way they can take the gun from you and that you'll be able to retain it and that's just not it's not real and that's where you know that you'll you like the fact that you can actually disarm people from all different kinds of positions and we used uh airsoft so you can actually feel it and see if you're wrong or not all right yeah by the way I just wanted to give you a chance so I saw that video of that guy you claim to like you know uh I don't know the the the the the the the the the jujitsu guy who said oh yeah like we we tricked him that was total BS like you like no one actually would react that way and you know right you want to give you a chance if you want to speak on that video that tried to you know say his the disarming it didn't work they tried to disarm your disarming video yeah yeah yeah yeah so it's that was funny about that is he did it already in the

video and i put that one up as well because we have that video that's his video by the way we a lot of people to video record. And he edited it. He stopped it on the second once. So it looks like he shot me on the second part and then didn't get to take it down, which is not true. He got taken down. And that's why I didn't care if you have the video because, like,

you're going to show the whole thing, right? You're not going to edit it and show that that didn't happen. And then the video before that, like videos earlier in the training, which was a free training, by the way. We do this for thousands of people a year. He tried to pull the gun back and it didn't work. So we've already gone through that. So we're now moving on to, you know, I thought we've already been through that because

you saw he's tried to pull it back, not say anything. He tried to be sneaky and pull it back. And by the way, that's happened a thousand times. People always kept coming in with, I'm going to pull it back. That's not new it. So some kid from Ohio is the first guy in 26 years, I think, oh, I can just pull it back. How about this? Here's what's wrong with the idea.

There are people right now that carry guns to protect themselves and protect the communities and protect our country. And if they believe that you just simply can pull it back, then they could be killed. And we don't want that. We want them to know how to retain that weapon. And it's not by pulling it back. It's by pushing their eyes back when they try to grab your gun. That's how you maintain your gun.

You don't pull your gun back and hope, will it stop someone when hyperbolemic shock is not going to stop them anyway? So this, you know, the concept if you get shot and you stop is just not realistic. That's not what really happens. What really happens is when people get shot, they continue to fight on if that's what they are intending to do. Can you shoot someone who's not trying to hurt you? And they drop, of course. But if that person was trying to attack you

and you shoot them, it's a higher probability that they're gonna continue to attack because what stops a person is not being shot, it's hyperbolemic shot, meaning you lost too much blood. And therefore, the long-term wound cavity created such a gap that you began to bleed out and then you passed out and or a catastrophic strike to a vital area, which is very rare.

They could actually stop someone. So know that people get shot in the heart, and still fight on. People have been shot in the head many times still fight and fight on. And so the reality is, gun dependence, the belief that if I shoot this person, they're going to stop,

it's highly unlikely failure to stop as a common occurrence. Six of us have been shot. None of my team members have died, and none of them stopped immediately and we're unable to function. One of my guys, the first guy who got shot

was in my vehicle, one of my trucks. He got shot six times, and one of the shots went through his head, I mean, through his neck, he came out of this side. And pretty much, in my belief, I thought he would die from that. He got shot six times all through the chest area

and one went through and through the neck. And he's not only he's alive, but he actually worked a shift a couple days ago. So he is functioning. Quick, last question. This is a debate that we have on the show. Would you rather get shot or stabbed? I, you know, I would have no,

you know, it doesn't matter. Like, you know, it's like you, we want to get to, you know. But, like, is what, what do you think would be worse, getting shot or stabbed? It just, it really depends, you know, like, where you are, I mean, where you get shot or stab, right? Yeah. Because if you get stabbed, remember, what stops you's bleeding. So whatever's going to cause the majority, the fastest, you know, loss of blood is the thing that you got to fear. So the person knows how to open you up with a blade and knows how to move the blade and open up and make a larger wound.

You're going to bleed faster. That's, that's why I always argue, I rather get shot. well but yeah well i can tell you that there are people that have been shot and the people get the stab that don't go to the hospital yeah and so they heal up at home so the reality is you know where you get shot how many times you get shot the wound cavity the size of the wound cavity all those things are determining factors also the physical conditions and your condition at the time of the shooting or stabbing so you know i don't i don't think that i mean i think that the knife is um you know much more reliable than a firearm.

It's easier to use. And it never runs out of ammunition. And it is easy accessible. So the knives are extremely dangerous, you know, just as dangerous, if not more dangerous than guns in many cases. However, you have more use of guns, so you have more deaths from guns. Yeah. All right. In our career.

Awesome. Well, thank you, Commander Brown. You can find them on Cameo. You can stop by Detroit Urban Survival Trading, the Threat Management Center. you can study with him you can be your sensei hopefully one day no no no sensei no we can't say that we don't have no masters

no sensees uh nope nope we're just trainer so we're going to train you coach you so that you understand a lot of different things so you can increase your survivability so we're going to make sure you have so many options that your brain never draws a blank uh I don't care if they have a knife or gun or baseball bat your brain

should know something that it can do to protect you in your family That's the only reason we teach is to help people not draw a blank, not to so they can be self-reliant. I don't care if you live in a country town, you live in a city, live in the suburbs. We all need to know how to keep ourselves and our family safe. And if you go to Detroit underscore dust on Instagram or Detroit Threat Management Center on YouTube, you can find our videos there. You can also Google us at Detroit Threat Management Center. And you'll see 26 years of media coverage nationally, internationally that shows you a lot of things we've done.

for people. So what you want to know is what does someone do with the training? And what we did was keep people alive and safe for 26 years. And that's what separates our training system and our school with many others. It's for usage in the real world. So where we got a chance to see it work is in the real world protecting people from death. So that's why we teach. We teach because we know it will help you survive. It helped us. It helped police officers. You see police officers that have testimonials online that are swearing that the training they got from us. kept them alive and we're really proud of as a training that we teach police officers and civilians is specifically designed to not kill people and not injured people to show other

alternative options and the reason why i'm showing more aggressive things now is because we need to because some people got twisted by watching the videos they didn't do any research and they're thinking that um that that even though you see it on our symbol on our insignia it says tactical firearms tactical knife tactical baton um they don't understand that's what we do And so they're thinking that, for example, that the threat continuum that we teach doesn't end in the reality that you may have to take a life to save a life. That's just we're going to show you a lot of ways to avoid it, but that ultimately is the three stages of escaping, controlling, and immobilizing that threat. When you don't mobilize a threat, you're doing things that are not allowed in Eastport that will severely damage that person for the rest of their lives if they are surviving after attacking you. So understand that this is for your survival.

It is not for your sport. You cannot use most of our training in a sport, whether it's the escape. Well, you can use the escapes, but you couldn't use the controls or the mobilizations. A lot of our controls are small joint manipulations. And they don't allow that in any sport, gripping the throat, any of those kind of things.

So we're really proud of that we can bring this to regular people so they can actually have these great stories of how they save themselves and their families. We look forward to sharing that with you. All right. Sounds good. Thank you very much for joining us. We appreciate it. Thank you for having. Again, when we're up in Detroit, I want to stop by your center. I would love to. I would love to try some of this stuff in person. So thank you, Commander Dale Brown. Find them online. Find them on cameo. And we appreciate your time.

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Check him out today. Get the hot steam towel. Get the MVP experience. Tell them macro dosing sent you. Go to Sport Clips. all right we're back we got some voicemails let's get to him uh thank you to commander dale brown he's uh he's quite a talker that that guy so it would be very fun though to to send big tea to Detroit urban survival training to learn how to deal with his co-workers do you wish that you had had training no I think I handled it perfectly yeah I mean I mean what you want me to do fight him how much bloodshed could have been avoided told you to rush him that is true i i don't hate his reasoning there just put him into a state

of shock yeah if you well i mean yeah man say it it's just like the guy wouldn't act out like that if he like knew there could be consequences are you saying that big t is not a physically imposing enough no no i mean sounds like you're going big t a bitch like for example if you started yelling back at Rico, I think he'd shut the fuck up and just like whimper. Oh, no, I think, no, that's not true. He keeps yelling.

But you start, like, I don't think there would, like, unless you throw the first punch, I don't see him ever throwing the first punch. Or the first can. You don't see him throwing the first punch. He threw the first can. He threw the first can. But the can distances him. I don't think he would like make contact. I think the can was capped. Don't keep it a

break. Yeah, I don't. I seen, I seen the, I seen the surveillance footage. When he came up to, he didn't want to fight. Right. If he was yours, you bunch of swung on, he won't fight. Big T, de-escalated with his very presence. Mm-hmm. I mean, Billy's just upset because Billy...

I missed it. I wish that he had been there so that Billy could have taken credit for stopping it. All right, let's get to the voicemails. Okay. You have two today. Ready? Yep. Hey, what's up, guys?

This is Tanner from Ocala, Florida. First time, long time. I just want to know. Where I'm from, we have a local secret of, well, not really a secret, but the movie Cheapers Creepers was based from here. I just want to know if any of y'all's hometown have any creepy stories like that. Love you guys. Any creepy stories from your hometown? Cheaper's creepy.

Yeah. When I grew up, that's just fine. When I grew up, there was a jump. I think I talked about this. But there was this jump. I lived behind a ditch bank on one of my houses I grew up in. So it's just like ditching. And there was something called the Yarona.

And the Yarona was like this lady who had been said to, I forget the entire story, but I think she, like, killed one of her kids or something like that to get something. I forget it. But anyway, the fable goes that she, like, stalks the ditches at night and cries for her kid every night. And so, like, it's supposed to keep kids away from going to the ditches. Hmm.

That's creepy Wendingo What's that? Has ever heard of the Wendingo? Wendingo, no. It's like a It's a Native American mythological

Being It's like a I don't know It's a Like Tupacabra Kind of but it's more like People, I think people are Like they're called skin walkers

I think they shape shift It's the Wendingo Is that what the Wendingo is Is this skinwaker? I think it's one of those but Hmm Never heard of that

I had a A type of Ebola virus That was from the town Right next to mine You had Ebola Yeah it's a I think there are like

Six different types of Ebola virus And one of them is named after Reston Virginia It's called Ebola Restin It's actually like It's not that scary of a virus for humans I don't think that it can actually

Make humans sick Humans can carry it But it will kill monkeys So like if you're an animal handler and you get it, you can transfer it to a like a different monkey and then they'll get it and they'll die. And the fear was that it would evolve or that it would mutate and it would be transmissible human to human and actually cause fatalities in humans. But yeah, it was just like a few monkeys that died. But people were really scared about it because it was the Ebola virus in the United States. Remember when those monkeys got loose in Pennsylvania recently?

no yeah oh yeah but oh i just found this this actually pretty cool in modern psychiatry the wendingo lends its name to a form of psychosis known as when dingo psychosis which is characterized by symptoms such as an intense craving for human flesh and an intense fear becoming a cannibal when dingo psychosis is described as a culture-bound syndrome in some first nations communities other symptoms such as insational greed and destruction of the environment are also thought to be symptoms of when dingo psychosis huh when dingo psychosis culture bound culture bound syndromes are really interesting because like for example schizophrenia in like the indian subcontinent like doesn't represent itself in malevolent ways like for example the voices that people are sometimes hearing

aren't saying bad things they think it's the voice of their ancestors and because their culture truly because that's their attitude towards like the stigma yeah they have no stigma so they it doesn't represent itself in like bad ways you're like lucky if you get it yeah and you like are they think that you're communicating with yeah ancestors yeah and you don't have the like since it's like not necessarily bad in their culture it doesn't have worse symptoms huh yeah anybody else have anything creepy from their hometown Yeah. So in Mount Juliet, Tennessee, there's a little, it's technically a two-lane road. But if you like, if there's another car coming the other way, one of y'all's got to like get off on the side for the other one to pass. That's how narrow it is. And it's, uh, Democrats. What? I'll just joke about it. Anyway, so it's lined with very tall trees. And the road starts at a, there's a free, there's a Masonic temple on one end of the road. And on the other end of the road, there's a church. And between it's just like, in the, neglected farmland.

And I heard a story one time that it's named Tate's Lane because there was a guy named Tate. He was a Confederate soldier. He came back from the Civil War and was like a horrible slave master. Let me, all slave owners were terrible. But he was like a brutal slave owner and would like hang slaves if they like disobeyed. And then there's all sorts of. a creepy shit that has gone on on that road since then.

Like supernatural stuff? Like alleged clan meetings, things of that nature. Just like bad shit going on on Tate's Lane. And then it's like a dangerous road because it's tiny. Stay off Tate's Lane.

Yeah. Mine's probably the most well known. There was this fat guy we sold to New York. around 1918 and then the whole city was cursed for roughly 86 years yep who could forget to finance a musical bay ruth what happened what happened in 2003 and 3 it was 2003 right when we broke the curse 2004 yeah 2004 what what's genuinely accepted as the thing that broke

the curse is there an event that people can point to and be like Pedro Martinez putting Viagra you get boners pronounce the strangest words I literally think that I have I just linguistically

terrible languages I don't know what it is like I Pedro Pedro Pedro you didn't say it like that last time but Coley

is there anything that you can point to and be like this is what did it there was one event uh well less we forget this is when Jimmy Fallon was filming his Red Sox movie that just so happened to coincide

with us winning the World Series so the final scene was actually them at the World Series. He just so happened to film it that year. But a lot of people point to Kevin Millar just absolutely dominating Dan Shaughnessy publicly while they were down 30 to the Yankees and being like, you're a fucking moron.

Well, all we have to do is win today. They're going to crumble. And then we'll win the next game and win the next game. So it's a combination of that and just David Ortiz's general awesomeness and Kurt Schilling did some stuff too. So those that three-headed monster pretty much. There wasn't like, I mean, if you really want to get down to it, I think it all started with Ray Bork winning with the Colorado Avalanche and then throwing a parade in the streets of Boston to celebrate another city championship. That's when we kind of got our shit together.

We were like, this is unacceptable. We can't be celebrating Colorado Avalanche championships. Billy, hang on one second. Hang on one second. I don't want to gloss over the fact that when Coley said Jimmy Fallon was filming his movie, which is called Fever Pitch, by the way, and it's one of the great rom-coms ever invented. Malin, you said Major League. Major League was like.

Is the one about the Indians, Sasha Gardens. I'm sorry. I do love that movie. Very different film. I'm so sorry. He was a 91. Slightly different. I'm sorry.

I know that movie. It's, I love that movie. I'm sorry. to all of the same. I couldn't remember the name. I was going to say summer catch, but I knew that was wrong. No, yeah. People, uh, it's become cool to like hate fever pitch. Fever pitch is awesome. No, I like that movie. It's really sweet. Sorry to, sorry to fuck that one up. That's my bad. I, I've seen both movies. I love both movies.

If you love me enough to sell these tickets, I love you enough not to let you, cry every time. Is that you get tickets? What's the status on these O KC Jones? Um, we'll talk offline. We're working on it. Um, so actually, it's funny some of the stuff that was done to break I don't know if I like that to break the that's felt that's about the like the tone yeah yeah we'll talk off like we're working on it okay it's dude there's a whole office yeah we let's yeah no mind um so something's something's going on I can't wait to hear so like stuff to break the curse is they put like a red socks hat on the top of Mount Everest why you got like six cups next to you so I've been chugging green tea all day you can

the same cup twice I like to know because these cups leak do they yeah all right I'm not super reusable I agree with them yeah it would make sense well when you're putting hot tea in there like I feel like the inside melts a little bit and then it leaks

so the red socks cap on the top of Mount Everest yes and like a couple other attempts so um burning a Yankee camp a Yankees cap at the base camp of Mount Everest, putting the Boston on the top, finding a piano owned by Babe Ruth,

and supposedly pushing it into a pond near Sudbury, Massachusetts farm home. We did destroy a lot of, like, I'm pretty sure someone bought the 86 World Series ball and destroyed, like the Bill Buckner ball and destroyed that. Like, we were big on destroying things. In 1976, Lori Cabot, the official witch of Massachusetts was brought in to end the 10 game losing streak while the losing streak ended the curse of the bam bino did not in ken burns 1994 documentary baseball former red sox pitcher bill lee suggested that the red sox should exhume the body of babe ruth transported back to fenway and publicly apologized for trading ruth

the yankees um some declared and burn it yeah yeah burn his body some declared the curse broken during a game on august 31st 2004 when a foul ball hit by manny Ramirez flew into Section 9, Box 95, Row, AA, and struck a boy's face knocking two of his teeth out. 16-year-old Lee Gavin, a Boston fan whose favorite player was Ramirez, lived on the Subbury Farm owned by Ruth. Same day, the Yankees suffered their worst loss in team history of 22 to zero clobbery and home against the Cleveland Indians. Huh. Some fans also cite a comedy curse-breaking performance. uh comedy curse breaking ceremony performed by musician jimmy buffett and his warm-up team one dressed

as ruth and one dressed as a witch doctor at fenway concert in september 2004 just after being traded to the red sox kirt shilling appeared in advertisement for the ford f-150 pickup truck hitchhiking with a sign indicated he was going to boston when picked up he said that he had an 86 year old curse to break huh i think i'm going to go with the official witch of massachusetts I think she broke the streak, but I'm pretty sure we still have enough. Like, Massachusetts is big on witches. They've been really nice to witches.

It takes some balls to be like, I am the official state witch of Massachusetts. We take witches very seriously in Massachusetts. I don't understand why more people don't. Well, because they were so heavily persecuted. Well, yeah, no, that's what I'm saying. Like, anybody can say, like, I'm the official witch of Minnesota. Got to think in the state witch draft,

that's Massachusetts going 50th. Yeah, I have a feeling that if you, wrote in a like a college essay that you were a witch and identified as a witch so you might like qualify that's a thing now like girls firm have a wicked yeah you can be wicken well yeah girls now like are like into witchcraft that's a thing yeah yeah you can be wikin wikin is the religion or the spirituality and then if you practice that then you are a witch whoa turns out the curse might have been anti-semitic okay wait wait so who's to blame here like yankee fans or redstocks man who's being anti-semitic henry ford wait a second

classic all roads lead back to hang ford glen stout argues that the idea of a curse was indirectly influenced by anti-semitism although that aspect was not part of its modern usage he even says this does not mean that anyone who writes or speaks of the curse today as a journalist or a fan is either anti-semitic or even remotely aware of the anti-semitic roots of the curse because frazzi was from New York and involved in theater it was assumed he was Jewish actually he was a Presbyterian Oh

So it sounds like the curse got canceled Yeah That's Henry Ford Hurt Shilling hated that anti-Semitism So he ended it Yep yeah Absolutely The deer's close

The Dearborn independent ran a series of articles Purporting to expose how Jews were destroying America And among these were articles Lambasting Frazee saying that His purchase of the Red Sox Another club was placed on their smother Oh, wow, geez. Yeah.

I mean, he did literally sell the best baseball player of all time at that point for $100,000 just to finance a play. It was an insane move, no matter how you want to say. What play was it? It was his girlfriend. No, no, Nanette. What was it called? No, no, Nanette.

It's a bad play. Like, it bombed historically. It was not a T for two and two for T's the only thing that came out of it. And we didn't need that as a society. Man, I think that really the question. it needs to go to Tom Brady. Brady definitely deserves some of it. He had won two at that point.

Everywhere he goes, he just attracts championships. It's amazing what happened in Tampa. Tampa. The Rays did lose. Yeah, but they, I mean, they made it to the World Series. They made it in 08. But they also won the Stanley Cup. Twice.

They didn't win the Stanley Cup before he got there, right? They had. In 2004, but then they won the last two. Okay. Yeah. I mean, listen, we haven't won since he left. Is there a new curse? Could be, but we didn't sell him. He just left, so I don't know. But just his essence. Yeah.

It's possible. We haven't been bad since he left in really any of the sports, so it's hard to feel cursed yet. Do you want to do another voicemail? Yep. Let's do it. What's up, guys? and Matt Dogg. This is Alex from Atlanta, Georgia,

current World Series and national champ, just like the T. My question is, let's say a draft happens, you all get drafted, what position would you want to be in the military? Love you guys. Stay handsome, stay gorgeous, and we need the

hollow rip pot. All right, thank. My answer immediately is housewife. In the military? Is that a position? Nope, I'm just not getting drafted. Put me in the kitchen. He's done. She would put the biggest yellow ribbon around. Oh, my God. I would leave the workforce so quickly.

Is it true that it's, like, illegal to cheat on your spouse if they're in the military? No. There's a zero percent chance that that's accurate. I mean, adultery is frowned upon. I don't know if there's laws. Yeah, cheating is just bad in general. Yeah. There's a lot of...

The words of Allen from the hangover, it's not illegal. It's frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane. Yeah, I think... Oh, no, no, it's the other way. If you're in the military, I think that's illegal. That's what they say in the movie. Have you not seen the hangover?

It's been a minute. Oh, yeah, yeah. And then he says, they say, I'm pretty sure that's illegal too. And he says, yeah, maybe since 9-11, thanks bin Laden. It's one of the great comedic lines in history. Yeah, if you're,

so I got wrong. If you're in the military, adultery, you can be dishonorily discharged in forfeiture of all pain allowances and confine it for up to a year. but if you're at home you can cheat it's all good but also if you're at home

if I'm a housewife in the middle of a war and everyone's getting drafted like who you who you're sleeping around man yo I've heard some stories about their wives though yeah that's yeah oh is that bad you probably be really

like all the shit Kaepernick got really should have went to that you're talking about disrespecting the troops have you guys ever seen that meme have you guys ever seen that meme which one that's funny the one with the the ladies in the same outfit I've not seen it yeah I think I would be to end the story yeah I don't I don't know what I would be I think I would suck in the military honestly did you be in jail I'm not like no other white man war fuck all that I'm not

Yeah, I mean, it's against my religion to fight in a war. Wait, are you, not to be agist, are you aged out of the draft yet? I think so, yeah. Probably, yeah, probably. 37, I'm unable to serve. I would totally go. Would you actually? No.

No, but, I mean, if like we were being invaded by somebody and I had to figure out how to survive. I think you'd be sneaky as fuck. I would be sneaky. I would, I've always wanted to be a pilot. I'd probably stink at it, but I've wanted to be a pilot. I was going to say the answer's got to be drone pilot. Dron pilot's pretty nice. That's a cush job, yeah.

Do they require a lot more learning than you think? Oh, no, yeah. It's one of the, yeah, I'm not saying I could do it. But they're saying in the event that we have to pick something, that's what I'm picking. They're flying those drones from Vegas, too. Yep. That's wild. Just give up our guys, Billy.

Oh, fuck. That's well known. I'm pretty sure that's known. It's 60 minutes. I would be, yeah, it would be the. like little guy that cracked too many jokes kept everybody light and died in the second act

that's probably me you'd be a glue guy but you'd be the one but like your death like really is the tear jerker yeah because everyone's like oh no saving pfc commas or or I would be an animal handler and I would I would find the new woj tech

the bear. Falconer there you go what about you Billy this question's really just for you no I don't know I've always like I've always wanted to be I always want to be a fighter pilot I've always wanted to be a Navy SEAL

I could see him until Team 6 A Navy SEAL fighter pilot Why can't I do both? No it would be I don't know I mean it's fun we're joking about it Because it's the only thing in the news So like it's the only thing you can make

But it's a pretty serious endeavor I think you'd be a sniper My grandfather Was a very good shot See I you can tell Billy like I think you'd be good at anything He'd be like you know what? Yeah no you're right

Billy just got done being like, we shouldn't even, like, really say what we're going to be, you know, out of respect for the troops. But, Billy, you could, like, I could see you being captain of a tank, like commanding a tank. The thing about being a sniper is it's a lot of laying around and waiting. Yeah. Like, just laying out somewhere trying to stay still. Was zero dark 30 about snipers? That was about Bin Laden. Really, I get a lot of entertainment from you, though.

You are a funny cat, man. Appreciate that. Big T, what would you be? drone pilot drone pilot yeah about you coli my mind goes to like naval like

like cook like working in the kitchen on a boat yeah submarine you don't want to be on a ship with some ripa sauce yeah I'm getting much fatter

during the one I'm the only person getting fatter during the war you don't want to be on a ship though why first of all your height not doing great on a ship secondly that's just like if you can choose land or sea

I'm choosing land 11 times out of 10 But if I'm choosing land as a cook I'm in like I'm not like here cooking I'm overseas cooking like at least I hear I heard those aircraft carriers are pretty cushy I don't think that's true I feel like it probably sucks being on a giant ship I know because that's where all the Navy seals are chilling

they're like all working out in the weight rooms in the aircraft carriers and they're like pretty good amenities I think Billy just has a different idea of what Cushy is. Yeah, I don't know. I feel like... No, what I'm really saying is they have sick gyms on ships. I saw a picture.

Yeah, that's really what I'm saying. Yeah. I would be the guy that runs with like a folded up piece of paper, like, between the Senate and the White House. You could be the trumpet guy. To give like an important message to the president before he nukes somebody. I feel like that's me. Drummer boy, drummer boy would be sick. Drummer boy?

Yeah. We don't do drummer boys. anymore do we can't imagine I don't know why I was ever done no now we just now we just bring a speaker and you carry a boom box what do you mean I'd be

is there actually is there music yeah USO shows are there oh yeah yeah like the the radio show that you did yeah boom there we go that's what I would do I would do a podcast from New York

that you could listen to anywhere in the world Good morning, Vietnam. Yeah. Okay, problem solved. How does the draft work? Like, when you are 18, does it something to show up at your house? Yeah. You have to fill out a form and send it to the government.

Serious? Like, what's on it? Like, your height and your weight and stuff? I'm pretty sure you literally just check a box that says, like, I agree. Yeah. It's your name, your height. No, not your name, your date of birth. Probably your social on there.

And like location of birth and you check a box. And now you're in the selective service thing where if they do, reinstate the draft they have a system i know in vietnam they would do it by birthdays so we do a lottery that was actually on live tv where they would pick a number so it's like the hunger yeah yeah the odds be ever in your favorite yeah oh that's so scary going back to school is what i'm doing getting that deep they're gonna have to put me in jail doggy there's some uh and they're got to come get me too there's some funny stories about how ted nugent got out of the draft back in Vietnam because he didn't want to fight, which I'll never like begrudge anybody

for not wanting to fight. As long as they don't later on in life become the guy that's like, let's send the army there, which Ted Nugent absolutely became later on. But he pissed and shit himself for like three weeks just to build up a giant stench around him so that when he went into the meeting, they were like, this guy's crazy. He's unfit for military service. Bruce Springsteen did something similar. A lot of people were doing stuff like that. Yeah. again don't blame them Vietnam sounded like a bad time that

we could have sounded like a great time on Vietnam yeah yeah there's a lot that went into it we should all watch the documentary you should watch Ready Player 1 dog oh I read the Spark notes that's just disrespectful man I did the reading

I feel like every episode of this podcast area and you're putting like a little, you know what an Easter egg is? I feel like you're leaving. That's in Ready Player 1. I feel like you fuck it with me now. I feel like you fuck with me. No, no, you're doing this. You're putting an Easter egg.

Fuck that. You're putting an Easter egg. You're putting an Easter egg. I see that. I sniff this out last week. B. FD.C.C. I watched it like a month ago. And I've just been making references to Ready Player 1 without saying. This is the person I've seen. The Super Cuc.

literally said like the plot of the cut up of them is going to be awesome remember during the mood episode I was like you were like you think you could just trick an Air Force pilot and make a thing they go to the moon I was like some people are getting tricked right now

so all you've seen it no I don't have Billy seen it I read this I have not but I was in on this plan but we were all in on the plan I was not in on the phone yeah and you almost ruined it we yeah because I'm I fucking sniff things out.

That's what I do. All right. My official analysis of Ready Player 1, good movie. I enjoyed it. Oh, fuck off. Yo, I'm more mad about the plan that y'all have been devising, you know. It's going to make for a great social video. When did it start, though?

Like a month ago, maybe? Yeah, like three weeks ago. There's three. What was the first thing you said? I think it were. Turn the internet off twice a week. Yeah, turn the internet off for two days a week. And Aaron goes, that's in, that's in the movie.

It was turned. So every week's, like, give me a say that's in the movie. Turn the in and out of place. I love it. Last week's was the whole pot. I'd have done some, I'd have done some smart as shit. I love it. Last week I was saying that, uh, I bet we're going to get to a place with virtual reality

where everything that people have in the metaverse, it's going to mean more to them. Yeah. I got to a bar fight in the metaverse, we that bar, like in the game, like I put on the Oculus, it was going, it was realistic as fuck. Like, I still haven't put that on. Like, it was weird because I took them off and basically like, like, when I

was remembering back what I was doing, like five minutes prior, I didn't remember it as if I was playing a game or interacting with anything. I, like, remembered it as like being in the bar. Yeah, Billy

looks at the metaverse like a dog looks at a mirror. He's no, it's real. There's another dog there. I saw the dog. No, but it was just so realistic. Like, I was in there swinging on guys, grabbing glass bottles and bang him over other dudes' heads in the Metaverse. Why were you getting to fight?

What was the reason? It's a bar fight simulator in the Metaverse. Oh, my gosh. All right. That does it for this week's episode of macrodosing. What a good plan. What a good plan. You got me.

I like it. We'll see you guys on Thursday for nanodosing. love you guys and yeah take care be safe