Macrodosing: Arian Foster and PFT Commenter - Microplastics ft. Barstool Chief & Dante

Episode Date: April 5, 2022

On today's episode of Macrodosing, the crew is without PFT and Coley, but is joined by the great minds of Barstool Chicago in Dante and Chief. You'll hear everything from microplastics to fighting a cloned version of yourself. It's much shorter than normal, but you'll definitely won't want to miss it. Enjoy!You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/macrodosing

Hey, macrodosing listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcast, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon music. Before we get started with macrodosing, I just want to tell you guys about sport clips. If you guys have noticed recently, I have been wearing a hat. That's because I've just gotten my haircut at Sport Clips. Sport Clips is the place for guys to get their hair done. This is in your grandma's salon. This is a place by dudes, four dudes.

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They clapped and then you started counting. It doesn't matter. Go. Okay. What's up, everybody? Welcome to macrodosing here in studio today. We got Big T, Madlin, Mad Dog, Avery, and myself, Billy, Coley, and PFT will not be joining us today. And from afar on Zoom, we're joined by Aaron as always.

and we have two new guests for this episode. We got Barstool Chief and Barstool Dante, Chicago guys joining us for an amazing conversation today. We are going to touch on microplastics. What are they? What exactly they're doing? Why you should care about them and how they're having an effect? Why is your voice changing?

Can I just like try to be professional? When he's in like the driver's seat, he changes it. Can I just try to be professional? It started as a bit, but now it's like real. Well, I'm trying to intro people. I was, I was, I was just finishing a text message and like you started it was like who the fuck

don't you remember the first time he did it he did it as like a joke he's like hey everybody it's billy well I'm just trying to cut a clean a clean intro trying to include everybody you can just talk I'm setting the stage the business bill is trash all business

all business bill all business bill no you just can't win I know be it then you're the idiot if you try to be professional then it's what are you doing Look, I could have done a shitty intro And then It doesn't have to be shitty

Just use your normal voice That was like I wanted to be clear concise Get people to know what we're talking about today And like just to intro it Billy's look At least after those NPR listeners I'm trying to sound like Christian FM

Christian No but No no 1.4.7 the fish was FM Don't get that twisted Oh was it the fish was that why do is it because jesus gave fish yeah yeah he had a unlimited fish he was the equivalent of the unlimited fish fry where you can eat all you can eat you really do those same things you know so as wild i always was like kind of threw me off

about christians i never really understood it's like they wear crosses right like i can't imagine like say that say one of my homies died of a car crash or something like that. And like I wear a car around my neck for some shit. Yeah, but like that's not very clearly not the same thing. How's it not the same thing? It's a symbol of your sacrifice.

Dude, let's say, let's say actually it'd be pretty like if, if my buddy got like killed by a shark and like a shark ate him, I don't think it'd be that crazy to wear a shark pendant just to like be mindful of like how crazy life can be. But there weren't a million. and millions of people who believed that that shark was like a symbol saving humanity true yeah this is

true i could really use that line on girls with the bar like why do you have a shark toothneck left yeah yeah pulled it out of my dead buddy's body yeah oh let me tell you a story he's for sure gonna do that by the my dog died for my sins so yeah though but so before we uh started recording today, Dante and Schiff, we're getting into it about Chief's apparently influencer? What's going on? I'm not an influencer. I'm not an influencer, but Dante, Dante was shitting on Coachella and I was like, why?

And he's like, well, it's just load out. The only people there are influencers. And I'm like, Dante, like, you're in the, like, we all are. We're all in the head influencing business. So it's like pointing a figure right in the mirror, Dante. Nope, I refuse. And I won't be dragged. into that group and I will never associate with that group but you did not to like throw you under

the bus on this I mean we just had a conversation a couple weeks ago you got recruited to be on the biggest influencer dating show on Netflix in recent memory what's all I went through five rounds of auditions to be on love is blind that's what is yeah oh you's about to be on love is blind I went through five rounds of auditions, and then they kind of went dark on me. So I was like, you know, what's going on? They're like, ah, like, we don't want anybody who's not here for the right reasons. I'm like, I'm totally, totally good. Meanwhile, I was planning on gaining like 80 pounds, like just having the summer my life eating like deep ditch pizza and wings and getting super fat to find out if love really is blind.

And then they said that because of Barstool, they're like, we're not looking for anybody who's trying to be famous. And I'm like, well, I'm trying to be, but it's not working. So I'm trying to work. And they're like, and I'm like, our audience would love it. Like, they'd be all over. We have a rabid audience. Like, our show is a cultural phenomenon.

So we really need your audience. Okay. I used talking to you guys for hours on ends, five different times. That's crazy They have a reality TV show And don't want people to think That they're gonna be famous It's a culture

It's a cultural phenomenon Right I'm on board with that statement I'm on board with that statement I love love is black It's a call okay I mean I don't think

Yeah I don't really consider I don't think anyone in the Do you consider yourself Like an influencer big T Like when you wake up every day Are you thinking of like changing tides? No I don't care what anyone else in the world does ever.

Yeah. Me neither. Let me tell you guys about Chevy DriveChicago.com. It is a great place. I love your local Chevy dealers. It's great. So I don't think,

I think that's what makes Barstool, I guess, personalities different than a lot of people on the internet. It's more that they like doing the stuff that is with the job instead of like trying to be like some sort of like

famous person. You know what I'm saying? like most people just are passionate about like blogging what they do podcasting rather than like the like fame that comes with it i don't know yeah no one's just no one's getting paid to take pictures on the beach is that what you're saying exactly exactly so but yeah so i was actually pretty psyched i was uh looking at the timeline today and i saw that coming out in may David Attenborough is returning to the narration scene of nature documentaries and this time he's doing prehistoric life. So we haven't had a decent dinosaur documentary since walking with dinosaurs and then

walking with beast was also good. And then walking with monsters was also a great prequel to walking with dinosaurs. They talked about life forms pre-dinosaurus. We're talking like pre-paleozoic way back there. So this one is probably like we have new CGI. They have updated the T-Rex. Like they're doing T-Rex with feathers. The intro is sick. And I love those documentaries rolling up, uh, growing up. And now we got it going with dinosaurs and David Attenborough. It's going to be like plant earth with dinosaurs with way better CGI. And I cannot be more stoked. So that was just an ad. What is what is, what is, hold on where is it going to be? It's going to be on. Yeah. I'm just going to hype.

It's on Apple TV. David Atbro, like, you know Apple TV does not fuck around either. Every single thing on that platform has been like grade A. They put a ton of money into it. They don't, they don't skimp on shit.

So that'll be dope. Yeah. I mean, David Attenborough said his last planet Earth or it was the conservation one, green plan. It was like, he was doing one of the last documentaries and he was basically like, yeah,

my this is my last coup de great like i don't know what that word is in french said that one more time coup de gras yeah what does that exactly mean i kuda gras it's like a finale yeah the finale because it was like his ode to the world on global warming how he had to protect the planet and he was like this is my final one like i'm done i'm 90 something and i'm going out sir david attenborough like sign off that was going to be his like whole like fat lady sings but now he's coming back they must have thrown the bag at them to do dinosaurs. So that's pretty sick. I guess that's because it was mostly in studio stuff

because they took the shots. He didn't really have to be in them. Hopefully he's in it and like interacting with T-Rex. I think he's more like, I think he's more like TV 12. Like he just has, he can't survive without narrating nature documentaries. He knows, he knows no life other than that. He's just got it. if they do a whole series

of extinct animals and go out like the plights where we got like Willie Mammats and all like the North American Savannah like that would be that gives David Attenborough

another 10 years to live like hey we can't die yet we got this other one coming up from pre-icing like that's what we need you for that's the good stuff you guys had a great conversation on dog walk with the guys

who were doing a startup for the Willie Mammoth re what did you guys draw from that. You definitely check it out. It's on YouTube, but they had one of the guys who we actually talked about this on the show once they were trying to bring back Willie mammoths using current elephant embryos and extinct mammoth DNA. And what was his argument about how it would actually help global warming? Yeah. So that's one of those things that doesn't really get talked about

enough is that part of the issue, like the best source of carbon capture ever invented is just young grasses. So young grass and grasslands, when you let them get overgrown, they become mature. They don't need as much carbon to grow, then they just die out and kind of like keep things and makes it worse. But if you have herding animals that continuously go over grasslands and rotate and continue to eat the same things, then those grasses keep sprouting up and they keep sequestering more and more carbon into the earth. And nothing is as efficient as keeping grasslands as grasslands, the woolly mammoth because it'll knock down any sort of like baby tree and then it'll eat and consume a lot of grasses while also kind of tilling up the land to make it kind of more

fertile for new new seeds and and it's it makes sense like the way the guy lays it out it's like if you have a pack of woolly mammoths in Siberia and Canada that their only job is to like sequester carbon they'll do that very efficiently more efficiently than any other animal So when I was thinking about that, because when I first heard it, everyone talks about how cattle ranching the U.S. and, you know, cattle being a major megafauna that's just, you know, way overpopulated due to farming across North America, the whole world, basically, they always talk about how the methane emissions from a large animal. But I was looking at up, elephants don't per capita do not release as much methane as cattle. So I was thinking, if we just have a bunch more woolly mammoths, like wouldn't that cause? cause even more global warming through more methane emissions, but turns out it is net negative carbon emission and a net positive for the atmosphere if we were just to start getting some woolly mammoths going. They say cows are too, Billy.

They say cows are technically a net positive for emissions too, but it has to be grass-fed and it has to be rotational grazing. You just give them corn and put them in a feed lot. That's really bad stuff. Yeah, but if you have grass fed and they're moving over, you know, it's like something like 50 heads per football field, 50 heads cattle per like an acre. And if you can continuously move them around and then it's, it's very helpful if you have like chickens and stuff that come behind them to kind of move around their poop, then those are actually very good for the environment too. That's huge. I mean, I was looking at there was another another startup that I saw that was like trying to make methane, basically make a cattle feed that.

was less that would create less methane um as opposed to corn and it was like a seaweed there was a seaweed that they're uh trying to develop that it would never probably be implemented because of big corn like you're going against the corn industry in the united states which would like like if you're saying that you could feed like get the seaweed industry going and have it totally replace feed corn just for the sake of the environment like that's one of those things like big corn. He had no chance. No chance.

I mean, that's why we were all drinking corn see it because of big corn. Yeah. And everything. Yeah. And they get government subsidies to do it. And it's like terrible for you. So that's just one of those things where it's like the government working against this guy.

I was like, I was checking it out. I don't think there's that much of a difference between fruit dose from corn and some of the different types of sugars from other fruits or sugar gain. like I think at a basis it may be more refined but as opposed to refined sugar I don't know if it's that much of a difference before we get to microplastics I just want to tell you guys about game time

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You want to hear a fucking, want to hear a mind-blowing fact. Do you know where most of the sugar that's used in, like, products that actually use sugar comes from? Where? It's not sugar cane. Sugar beats. Yeah, someone just said that. Yeah, I was thinking it was because I remember, like, I once was consuming something that said beat, beat sugar. And that was the only other time I was like, well, that's pretty weird.

I guess there's a kind of beet. They're huge and they're almost 90% like made of sugar and they process them and it produces way more sugar than just sugar cane. And it's more cost efficient too. Beats are super food. Have you ever guys, have you ever like drank beet juice and then like take a piss? Turns your piss red. Yeah.

It's pretty sick. Yeah. It's scary if you forget you drink. It's just like, it's just like charcoal. We were talking about charcoal toothpaste the other day. And we were talking about how like me personally, like I like to use charcoal toothpaste because they'll act of like turning my teeth black and then like wash them off. And then they look whiter because they were black before makes me want to like brush my teeth more.

So I'm more apt to do it. That's just, you know, dumb. Billy what's your verdict on that? I've heard I've heard positives and I've heard. that it is terrible because it shrubs the enamel off your teeth. So I don't know if you guys know, but I've been compiling a list of guys who are basically experts that we can consult on these different issues. They're not.

We're going through them. We have about 5,000 applications for a list of guys who just do different things. So I consulted with the dentists on the list and they were like, that stuff's actually terrible for you because it just strips your enamel. from your teeth so that's what i heard that's supposedly good for your gut though too did you ever hear that like tail that like i don't know a wife's tail but like some guy told me that if you like ate a bunch of uh charcoal before you start drinking you don't get it as drunk yeah you know where that comes from what you if you uh if they can't pump your stomach for some reason they feed you charcoal pills

because it soaks up whatever's in your stomach and shit. So I think, like, if you drink bleach, it's worse to throw it up because it... Oh, burns you softiest. Yeah, it'll fucking burn a second time. So they pump you with a ton of charcoal and shit, and you just absorb it and you shit it out. Or you throw it up and it's less...

It's more deluded or some shit. Yeah. So I know people that take them for hangovers and they swear by them. yeah so my buddy did it once and then he just like pushed it way too far because he thought he was invincible with the charcoal and just ended up puking up just black throw up and it was pretty nasty but it was like uh exorcist type vibes oh it was disgusting but getting back to the list of guys so uh the list of guys has been curated i've spent all sunday going through 5,000 applications so basically we're we're trying to do is get a group of experts on a list that if we have any questions about stuff we talk about on this show, uh, usually I say something that's totally unfounded and they hit me up and say, yo, dude, you're totally wrong. And then I do corrections on our Thursday show. So it's good to have like a list of guys who you can like, if we have a question during

the show, we can DM them and ask them. So we got all sorts of guys on this list. You're going to get a, uh, you're going to get an acceptance to the list email probably. I want to say by tonight, you're listening to this on Tuesday. I want to say Tuesday to Wednesday and we'll get that official list sorted out and then we'll start trying to make sure that people on the list can contact each other if they have questions about different people's lines of work. Because we have a bunch of interesting guys on this list. Like I was looking over it today and not only do we get more NASA people.

Here, let's check this out. but like like name a rand race car driver just saw this holy shit yeah this guy's an actual box car driver poultry production power engineer fighter jet tactical simulation engineer we got roofing specialists just a lot of cool a lot of guys doing cool stuff hey billy yeah and i i have two questions yep can i be your plastics guy can i have apply to be the plastics guy 100%. Five years of plastics experience. Let me, let me Google

if we have a plastics guy. Okay, so we have five plastic guys. We have a plastic material lab engineer. Okay, never mind. He's more qualified than me. We have a plastic engineer, medical device engineer. We have a material science and engineering industry research on our environmentally

sustainable plastics. Senior business data analysts for plastics recycling and building material company and product development plastics. So we got five plastic guys. We can add you on there. I'm going to let them, I don't have an engineering thing in my title,

so they can have that role. What's your background on plastic? I worked in for a plastics packaging, beverage packaging company for five years. So they're essentially like a manufacturing startup, run out of Poland, and then we had a factory in Wisconsin, and I did that right up until I went to Barcelona

full time. I was sick. So they were like creating new ways to package beverages? It was, yeah. It was essentially Monster Energy was our biggest customer. I feel like that's right near Wheelhouse, Billy. Hell yeah. And it was like a Gatorade with caffeine.

We did like 90 million units. The company is now defunct. But it was like a plastic bottle with an aluminum top on it. So you open it like a soda can, but it was a plastic bottle. So what was their angle on that? They just wanted to create a more efficient? Well, Billy, I mean, we can probably get into all the wonderful uses of plastic on this podcast. But, yeah, it was basically you have all the benefits of an aluminum can,

which really comes down to logistics and cost saving because it's so much lighter. It's more stackable than a glass or plastic bottle. But then you have all the marketability. People just genuinely like to see the liquid, whatever they're drinking. So they like to be able to see a clear plastic can or a clear plastic bottle. So they see what they're drinking. And then so you have you kind of combine the benefits of both an aluminum can and a plastic bottle into one package. Awesome.

Yeah. So why don't know. That's a great transition to get us into our topic for today, microplastics. So if you want to check it out after this podcast, Chief did an amazing expose on microplastics on dog walk, decided it would be a great topic. talk about on microdosing because of its it's pretty it's got some pretty uh meta type applications when we take it into the real world it's quite a disruptive uh material and we'll find out why so chief what exactly are microplastics well microplastic is just it's a it's basically flaking it's almost most of it it's defined as being five millimeters or less in size so like we even if you use um

Like, if you just Google it or get an image search it, you'll see like a pretty good collection. It looks like kind of plastic shavings almost for the most part. And it's just things that flake off different plastic packaging. And they're, you know, it's very light, which is a benefit of plastic. But that also means it's able to spread it. A lot of it looks kind of like a glitter, you know, or a sawdust size where it's just like it's just in your hand. And it just, you can blow it and it just kind of goes to the air or the water. and now they're you know we've we've known it's been in fish we've known it's been you know all over

the ocean and recently they found it in like you know baby diaper poop like all sorts of different things which are alarming and now people are finding it they've done a small study okay so the study that we referenced um in our podcast was that they took blood of 22 healthy adults in england and 17 of them had plastic in their bloodstream. And then there was four days later, something like that, there was an article in New York Post in other places that says people like your average human being in the Western world is walking around with a credit card's worth

of microplastics in their gut at all times. Jeez. An alarming amount of plastic just sitting out there. So I read one thing that was like these microplastics might be the, 21st centuries like lead poisoning like there was so much lead back in the day that got into everything it caused all sorts of issues and now we got microplastics i i think that lead poisoning is more acute okay so like you kind of know like if you have lead poisoning you have lead paint you have lead in your drinking water there's typically

more immediate health ramifications and maybe you can call your lead guy to fact check. Did you have a lead guy on that list? Let me let me check out lead. Yeah. Command F lead. But yeah. But, you know, it's like these people were, you know, that were in that particular study that

did the bloodstream study in England, they weren't like reporting any health causes. Like they went looking for microplastics, whereas lead poisoning, it's like, I am actually very sick and I have X, Y, and Z symptoms, and I have this disease and that disease. And it's like, ah, well, actually you, you. have lead in your system whereas the microplastics they were just like looking for it and they found it but the people weren't they're quote unquote healthy adults who weren't reporting any symptoms but they still had it in their system in their system part of me thinks that while i like i said in our show like i if you gave me the choice between having plastic in my gut or in my bloodstream or

not i'm choosing not like choosing to not have in my bloodstream but like i think of all the prosthetics that are out there like my dad has a new knee yeah made a plastic and you know I have an uncle who got a hip made a plastic so it doesn't necessarily mean like it's like like it's deadly poisonous to your body but it's probably not a good thing either to if you right but like your your blood and your like a prosthetic part of you know a joint is I feel like a night and day like your blood is literally being filtered through all your organs and your body it's you know your brain your heart your liver your kidneys i mean fucking everything and well it's not going to be able to get it's not going to you have that that blood brain

filter which is like a very important organism in your body that that there's like a barrier where it's like it's like super filtered where it just like your normal bloodstream does not into your brain uh dude i don't know man if you if you if people if people said 10 years ago that they'd be finding little shards and little pellets of plastic in our bloodstream i mean people think like that was like some futuristic like dystopian shit and now it's just like people are just like oh oh well like i want my i want my like microbeated everything i mean we can't i mean we should have seen this coming like we're drinking everything's in plastic like there's plastic in this paper cup like it's everywhere what i what i wanted to ask and since cheap is the plastic guy

is i so i'm drinking out of a shaker right now what does this no b what does this no bpa shit mean and and how does that any different from you know microplastic contamination So a BPA, BPA is a little bit different. That's, BPA is like an industrial chemical that has been used to make certain plastics and resins. And that's something that is usually like, sometimes it's used as like an after thing where they, it's like a spray as opposed to being a part of the plastic. So you can, you can have BPA free plastic, but yeah, if it's superheated or things like that, it can be. a contaminant where like you you probably want your plastic you want your plastics to be BPA free because if it's if it gets too hot you leave it in your

your trunk and but it's used to usually coat I mean it's it's used in metal products too so these are like these resins like most cans of Coca-Cola are really cans of anything you don't if you didn't have this spray that goes inside of every aluminum can your water soda beer whatever would have a metallic taste it. So they spray that to kind of coat the inside of the package. But you don't really need it for for plastics that much or or at all. It's usually to prevent like oxidation and things to get into the water. And again, that's a flavor profile thing in most cases. But yeah, if you can have plastic, you don't want that the actual chemicals seeping into whatever you're drinking. And a lot

of times if it's overheated, it can definitely do that. So here's the thing is if something's BPA-free, is it more likely to shed microplastics because it doesn't have that coating? Is it one of those like, pick your poison, you're fucked either way? I actually don't know the answer to that, Dante. So they don't want us to know. I mean, it might be out there, but they've been, you know, it's, it's one of those products where it's like, I just watched a movie this weekend, too, where it's called Darkwater. heard of this?

Yeah, fuck up. Super. So it's all about DuPont chemical and they were, and they were just discarding haphazardly chemicals into this, basically into the stream and water sources town in West Virginia and giving everybody cancer, killing cows, this and that, and it's because they're the industry experts, so they're, quote unquote, supposed to self-regulate and turn into the EPA things that are hazardous and there's so the the EPA doesn't check for anything unless the chemical companies have already said yeah you should look for this it's hazardous but if they don't say

it's hazardous and they don't look for it so it's just like hey you're in big trouble if this is in there but no one's going to do anything about it because DuPont and all these other chemical companies are supposed to regulate themselves and it's great moving roofalo there's a lot of famous people at Tim Robbins so highly recommend but that is maybe that's one of those things where it's like they recognize that this was a problem after the fact but it's yeah I don't I don't think I mean BPA free is a step in the right direction but it doesn't necessarily make everything a hundred percent safe but what is glass that's so I always wondered going to Italy grown up why that you like

rarely see plastic bottles everything's in glass like coke all sodas what even in water. Like you get like aquaponna. It comes in giant glass bottle. Nothing's in plastic. And over the years, just seeing how much stricter Europe is with everything like their version of the FDA and the shit that they ban from, you know, processed foods and packaging, like literally everything. They scrutinize where it feels like here we're just like anything goes as long as, you know, obviously the lobby's honing up enough, anything goes. Yeah, and I would say with glass, I mean, in terms of just safety for consumables, glass is probably, probably better.

But if you're, you have to like establish like a hierarchy of values. And if your value is, you know, you're one individual human, you could argue that glass is better. If you're, if the top of your hierarchy is global warming, then PET number one, that virgin PET that plastic packaging is undoubtedly better because the amount of energy it takes to produce glass, you know, mining and getting the raw materials for that, the energy needed to blow the glass, to manufacture the glass. And then also really importantly is through the logistics process of shipping the glass. Glass is way heavier. Big time. Big time. So if you're,

so if you're loading up an 18-wheeler of glass Coca-Cola bottles or glass or plastic plastic Coca-Cola bottle, both carrying 20 ounces, it's going to cost and use way more gasoline and more carbon footprint is going to be exponentially higher with glass, and it would be with plastic because it's just so much lighter and easier to transport, easier to ship, easier to stack and store and everything else. So I don't know what the answer is or what your hierarchy of value should be in terms of of the environment. But if it is a carbon footprint and fossil fuel usage, plastic is way better for that than glasses. Now, quick question, why did beer never embrace plastic? Ah. So several

companies have tried, okay, and some of it is, including my company, I should say that, my old company. So we, and there were talks, but there are a few different things with plastic that comes into a problem with beer. So beer, plastic is more permeable than glass and aluminum as well. So your beer will skunk faster in a plastic package, unless it's a particular type of plastic that has a chemical additive to prevent oxidation. So you don't want your beer to be light permeable and you don't want it to be oxygen permeable.

And plastic is, you know, more light permeable and more. Even like a Corona bottle, okay, that's clear glass, that is going to skunk or a high life, that's going to skunk faster than a green and brown bottles are actually the best for that purpose. And that is part of the reason why Corona has the whole you put a lime in your beer campaign, because they know a certain percentage of those beers by the time they get to the end user are going to have too much light contamination and be a little bit skunk. so they want to mask some of that flavor. So, Chief, light is worse than heat?

For beer? Yeah. Yeah. No shit. I didn't know that. I never know that. When you're filling these products, and beer might be a little bit different, but there's something called hot fill and cold fill, okay?

And hot fill is designed to kill off, you know, all sorts of contaminants, bacteria, et cetera, but it can melt the placer or cost package integrity. So any juices, beers, et cetera, usually fill. at a higher temperature than your carbonated waters, which aren't going to have the sugars and contaminants in there than a beer or a juice would. And then the other thing with beer is you might remember, I think it was Miller Light in the 90s and a couple other. And like you started seeing like plastic beer bottles in stadiums a lot before they came

out with the aluminum bottles. And the plastic beer bottles just did not do as well. And that was not a science thing. that was just a consumer thing where any you could have a liquid that is 20 you know we'll say 34 degrees okay like very very cold liquid and you have it in a plastic can and you have it in a glass bottle and an aluminum can the plastic one even though the liquid inside is the same temperature as the other two it's going to feel warmer in your hand to touch it's your lips it's the same temperature but it's going to be so when you're reaching in you're like ah this feels a little

bit warm. And you can do this. It will be that holds true with any liquid. So if you want to try that out with like your Coca-Cola, you know, your ice cold Coca-Cola, put it in this, put a glass bottle, an aluminum can and a plastic bottle of the same product in the fridge at the same temperature overnight, that that plastic is going to feel a little bit warmer. It just will compared to how that ice cold glass or can feels. And that is just like a consumer preference specifically when it comes to beer. Now, when that when that started a When I was younger, I remember going to, like, baseball games, and they would serve the plastic beer, beer bottles. And I was, like, asked my dad, because, like, I'm just young.

I'm asking questions about everything. I'm like, why is it there? Why are they, the bottles plastic here? And he told me he was like, yeah, so people don't break them and stab each other with them. Because I think that was an added element of, like, the plastic bottles. There was so many, like, broken glass outside of stadiums and stuff. they also thought probably not too much of an element they probably thought like hey this might help out yeah no that's that that's why you started seeing those in stadiums more than anywhere else

it was because like i specifically remember i think it was the cleveland browns and maybe it was like oh seven oh eight they're i think and i think they're playing the jaguars they just they think that call went against them or something like that and their fans just lost their shit started throwing these plastic beer bottles but nobody got hurt because It's a plastic beer bottle. And then they've been starting to do those in this office. Plastic beer bottles? Oh, yeah.

Plastic in general. But now they've got the aluminum bottles. That's aluminum in the office. Yeah. Perfect. Yeah. Then there's a, now they're using those aluminum bottles.

Yeah. The silver bullets. Yep. Pretty cool. And that was basically because of consumer preference that they prefer the cold feel in their hand to a plastic bottle. So they developed a new product to serve the same purpose as the plastic because it just, it was not, consumers just didn't like the way the plastic felt in their hand, supposedly. Now, one thing, going back to microplastics, one thing I really

looked into was the effects of these microplastics on human hormones. Because if you guys remember like phytoestrogens I'm probably pronouncing this wrong but there's certain plastics that mimic the hormone estrogen and these plastics end up as microplastics and then getting recycled into the system and since some of them mimic hormones they have a serious impact on the endocrine system in humans mice lab animals um all sorts of things so like that's they're mimicking hormones that relate to the thyroid, cortisol, impacting antigen receptors. And I was looking into this and I was like, whoa, this is intense. Like the fact that basically plastic pollution is having a serious impact on the human reproduction system. And it's seen in a micro level in specifically

a lot of amphibian populations around large plastic pollution as well as like in lab mice and all sorts of stuff. So that's like, we might see a huge surge in infertility because of all these microplastics. Maybe. Maybe. That's something I was looking at. Yeah. No, I've seen that too. I haven't read through the study. I do in general have a very difficult time with any studies related to health just because on an individual to individual basis, even diet. It's so hard to have a control. Like you can't have a control population with anything regarding like regarding this or regarding diet because you have to just monitor people and what they put into their body at a large enough sample size to be like, okay, this is great versus a control. And even your

control, you have to control the control. So it's like you like the control group can only eat this while we're studying that. And it's just very difficult to set up a large enough study that would be kind of fair and balanced. So it's like I think I have a hard time with some of those health-related studies as being like that's a fact just because it's impossible to set up a control group. And I think that would apply to this as well. Not saying it's not true and that we shouldn't take like precaution on that. And I think population collapse is going to be a big problem in probably the next century,

next 50 years. It's not going to have enough people as opposed to what everybody thought forever. It was going to be overpopulated. I think we're probably, I've read a projection that we're going to top out at like $9 billion. Yeah. And then decline back to $7 billion over the next 100 years. So that's actually like a bigger problem than having too many people. It's not having enough people.

And on that topic, one of the biggest people who talks about that is Elon Musk, who recently just took a 9% stake in Twitter. Should have probably talked about that on the top of the show. Free speech defender, Big T. what are your thoughts on Elon Musk taking a big stake in Twitter? That's an investment he chose to make. I don't think that has anything to do with free speech. Well, think about... Why do you think that big T? I think it does.

He's the largest investor in Twitter. So he thinks Twitter is going to go up in value. That's a gamble he's taking. Do you think I personally, I don't think he bought it for a financial stake. I honestly think he bought it to ensure that free speech is not. agreed yeah i agree i have a blog coming out we're recording this coming out in six minutes okay and about this very thing i i think he was talking openly big t about setting up a rival platform uh that would be more of the wild wild west no censorship and this and that

and then we've seen i think it's like what is rumble supposed to be the youtube what and then there's like there's the trump has his own truth and i think there's another there's another i can't think of the name of it right now And I can't think of the name of it right now because nobody signs up for those. And the only people that do are, you know, the ones who we feel like they've been outcasted by, you know, big tech. So then it's like that's its own echo chamber. So I feel like Musk is doing like if you can't beat them, buy them. So what do you all think is going to happen then?

Well, here's the other thing you got to keep in mind with him is he, I don't know how he has evaded like the SEC with. manipulation but he fires off these tweets and he swings the market and it's also like a pretty big financial insurance policy for him too is you know if they can't cancel him or boot him off the platform he's ensuring himself that he can continue to you know push his tech his Tesla stock price up but also these other companies that he touts as well he he's fucking genius man he is not just when it comes to uh inventing all around genius he's he's playing like 3d chess you know so but i i do think it is i do think this is a move where he can he can throw his weight around in the boardroom and kind of dictate corporate policy from the inside as opposed

of creating a rival thing so that's so that's what i was going to ask do you all think how much of it did he buy nine nine point two percent which makes him the largest single shareholder. So you think he bought this to be able to influence their policy and decision making and things like that? I think you're, yeah, typically the largest shareholder of a public shareholder. Well, yeah, I didn't. I didn't know he bought 10% of it, but.

Yeah, yeah, big, big chunk. How much does Jack Dorsey own? Because that's what I'm looking up right now. That's a good question. Dorsey owns more than 2%. There you are. He's divesting. he's going to be out completely in the next couple years yeah yeah he probably loves this move

by elon right now yeah fuck yeah because the stock price went up instantly uh obviously so so dorsey's probably like yeah sell up a little bit more in mine you know maybe he sold him something but is on the market you know who still i think still owns a lot of twitter stock i think big boss dave still owns a ton Did he be diamond hands? Yeah, I think he'd buy a shit ton like in, oh. Way back. I don't know if he still had it, but he used to talk about it pretty old. Yeah, I mean, if he still owns it, I think he's doing pretty well in that category.

But I'm not pocket watching, but yeah, I didn't know he purchased 73.5 million shares. Yeah. Yeah, big tea. It was a substantial stake. Yeah, that's interesting. Yeah. So here's the question. We've been talking about this.

I don't know that I trust Elon Musk any more than I trust many other people. But, like, actually, I don't know that I like that in terms of free speech at all. You don't think he's going to try to fight. Let's say, let me. What does Elon Musk buying Twitter have to do with free speech? Y'all got to connect those bats from me. Well, he's a big, like, you know, advocate of not censoring people and this, that, and the other. But let's say he don't like censoring people in the way.

he correct so that's where I'm going so let's say in 20 years Elon Musk owns even more Twitter a majority who knows and he also obviously has Tesla

let's say you post something on Twitter that Elon Musk doesn't like and then you receive an email saying you know what we think you need a little bit of a timeout we don't like what you posted on Twitter your Tesla has been disabled

for the next 72 hours that's silly That would be an egregious overstep by Elon Musk, and I would be hypercritical of him if he did that. I think a lot of people would, but that's... But at some point, at least so far, I mean, I don't think you can just look at him and assume the worst. No, no, no, I'm not saying just him. I'm saying I would be skeptical of anyone doing that. So...

Who has that much power? You want a decentralized internet tape. You want a decentralized internet where nobody's... makes any can make any policy decisions I just don't want everything so connected like that that especially with like I find it very dubious

that the government is making like a huge push for everyone to have electric vehicles I I'm with you on that now now here's why for what I just described well the government is going to that's I mean that's do I

I think that's going to happen. I don't know. Tap into all electric cars. I mean, you can say the same thing about gas. They can tap into all the oil supplies and contaminate it with whatever. What do you mean? No,

no, no. That's not remotely similar to what I said. It's not silly. It's not. How? How? How?

Is it a smart thing for, though. They regulate, they literally, they literally regulate your water. Brough. Uh-huh. Like, like if they wanted to out you or whatever,

they could do it. But they're not, and they won't. It's just silly. I do think there's an arm of Tesla that is they're a data collection service like anybody else in the modern era. But you could say that about any smart car, any car that has GPS, contract your data. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right.

So I don't think it's just Tesla. I don't either. My problem with Tesla is like this green solution is like, well, that energy. for that battery still has to come from somewhere. So if your car, if you're living somewhere that your grid is powered by a fucking coal plant, then your end result

in terms of how green your carbon footprint is with that Tesla is probably might actually be worse. It's not. No. How about when you... How about when the actual extraction from these different parts? They do. There's been study after study after this.

So yes, having a green car is not this eco-friendly thing that it's advertised to be, but it's eliminating, it's peeling back your carbon footprint slowly but surely. And that's what they're trying to do is they're trying to implement new ways of energy and new ways of doing things over time. It's not going to be like this overnight.

Everybody go green. It can't be like that because people are so reliant on fossil fuels and all these other things. And they're used to it more than anything. But it's not, I'm more interested in this like conspiracy shit. Like you think the government going like tap into the main data frame of the test. Like it's just I find it.

I find it interesting that the government is making a huge push for people to buy electric vehicles. This administration. You don't think it aligns with their. You don't think it aligns with their. Sure. I think it's fairly convenient as gas prices are skyrocketing. And Joe Biden says, yeah, if you just buy a $65,000 electric car, you'll save $80 a month in gas. Yeah, I'm not a Joe Biden fan.

as you will. Yeah, I just, I think there are potential unintended or, I'm not saying the government has this master plan to shut people's cars down. I'm saying, I'm saying that that is a potential consequence of that happening. Well, you know, is your, is your bank not, not, not oversawed by the internet? Is it not run by the bank is? Yes, and government shut people's bank accounts down all the time. for what reason for if they do something that the government doesn't like that's that's the that's the

society you live in fam you yes okay so i don't say so government i think you and i agree i don't understand how you're saying it's silly that because they could potentially fuck around to do something like that when they're shutting people's bank accounts down because i think a very hyper an exaggerated point that usually comes from the right and it's not necessarily the right it's like libertarian right, which is like this government tyranny thing. It's it's it's the main argument for the second amendment, right? It's this for government tyranny when it's in a rational fear and and if you if you when you're talking about something like automobiles, which would if if they shut down everybody's automobile that that stifles, that stifles

the economy that that will that will ruin the economy and that's good for no administration because we don't live in we literally just shut down the entire economy that is not that those are a false equivalence i'm not talking about it did fuck the economy of right those were absolutely consequences but to say that a a global pandemic is the same thing as a government not like no no no but there was but there was a reason that the government wanted to do that who knows what that's what a reason they could want to do something in the future is. I don't see how you can say it would. Are you, your point is you don't like government.

Is that what it is? Yeah. You don't think we should. Are you, are you, are you an, are you an anarchist? Are you an anarchist? Borderline in some respects. Oh. Why am I having this conversation? No, but Arias, I don't understand how you can say.

I have something, I have something to add to you. I think, I agree with both of you. I don't think it's their main objective. Right now, I think that it's a perk of something down the road that they will definitely use to their advantage. Right. A potential consequence. Exactly. I don't think they're hell bent on doing it for that reason right now.

I think there are some altruistic, you know, like reasons behind why they want to do it, like Adrian said. But I could definitely see them abusing that. Like, they do everything. They abuse fucking everything. Give them an inch to take 10 feet. I agree that government abuses power all the time. Like, I agree. But to make the leap that says they're going to shut down vehicles is just a while.

I think it's an irrational fear. Like, there are plenty things to be fearful about your government about. Like, and I'm on board with that, right? But I think that one's an irrational one. And when you package it politically with something that potentially, could increase our stronghold on the fight of climate change. Like, that's when I felt like it's a disingenuous argument. And why it's a disingenuous argument is because it's an irrational fear,

but it's rooted in climate change is not a real thing. That's where it's rooted. No, no, no, no. You just made that up. Well, Aryan. Yeah. They used to say that the most, like, one of the biggest cultural dividers between capitalism and what was going on the USSR was the American automobile because they just

did not have those in mass like the way that we did here and it was like I can go wherever I want whenever I want to as opposed to Russia where it's like people can't have a car and they can't afford a car so they have to do the public transit where it's like if you want to end capitalism just airdrop a bunch of cars into Russia and they'll be like I can do what the fuck I want it is like a cultural thing that we have here where it being able to have the so I don't think to your point area, I don't think they're ever going to shut things down, like shut down the economy by taking away everybody's car, but they might do it selectively

on people if they could. I mean, if they do that now. If you break a law, you go to jail. Right. So I don't see how you disagree with what I'm saying. If you say the government does shit like that all the time and then they have the ability to potentially do something like that, why wouldn't they? With the push of a button.

But because it's, it's, it's, like I said, it's an irrational why? You're saying, because Like give me an instance where they did that for some kind of tyrannical reasons. Like that would be giving me that. Give me an instance like well this not race related. Uh, look that that's a big one.

Oh, okay. Well, if your fear, if your fear is in 2022 or 2030 that the government is going to make a, a race or uh, some kind of societal. divider that these kinds of people can't go to work or can't drive whatever case would be

I would say it's an irrational fear I don't think that that's the place that we live in anymore to for example like to take that's a wild claim

for me to make right that's actually that's a big one but like for example a lot of the a lot of the progressive gun control laws

in metropolitan areas were based off of the trying to ensure a lot of civil rights movements didn't take up arms is that is that and saying so that's you know and if you look at and you can almost say that like the same

sort of uh i'm not going to take take it that far but how far do you want to take it well i mean i was like uh i'm equating you have to say it no i'm say it no i'm just saying that's that same sort of mentality i'm not equating and i'll tell you if you can say i'm not equating it But like, like authoritarian control to stop different movements is definitely been occurring across the, like, I'm not equating the two movements, but the same sort tactics have been used to stop. I don't, I don't think that that is a, that's not a far-fetched assumption. Right. But to assume that or to postulate that a government will electronically stop people from. There's just so many other more effective ways to stop people from doing what you want them to do.

A government or as I started to say not a government, the company. Yeah, I think I think what we're heading towards and I think it might not be government regulation, but corporate oligarchy. We're like, for example, we saw a bunch of charging stations and Russia shut down the insane Slava Ukraine, which I'm not saying like, it's a sanction on Russia. but for example that same tactic could be applied to charging stations in the United States or and also for example getting back to Elon Musk's opinion on freedom of speech he fired an employee after he posted driverless tech review on YouTube so like that sort of almost negates his sort of like for example Elon Musk owns a corporation he operates his freedom of speech opinion honestly operates on the threat it has to his corporation like a Tesla employee

reviewed his autopilot Tesla mechanism while working for him and I mean say what you want yes it violated probably his um his employee contract but it is a attack on free speech in a way that uh his own employee reviewed his own product and he fired him after even then and I'm not even a big Elon's fan. That's not an attack on free speech. I think, I think free speech is marketed in this country. Like, you could just say what the fuck you want to say. But if you, if you abide by your, your love for capitalism, private owned citizens have private companies and they can write their own bylaws into whatever and however they want. Yeah, but do you think that's a good thing? No, I'm not a fan of capitalism. This is your baby, fam. I agree. We need regulation. We need regulation

in order to have some kind of stronghold on greedy fucking people. Absolutely, we need a regulation. But that's what I'm saying is when you package, we need free speech. But you're also a fan of capitalism. What you're doing is you're talking out of both sides of your mouth. It's what you're saying is we need to let people do what the fuck they want to do. Well, I hate to be the bear of bad news. The majority of people want to do bad shit and horde.

So back to my whole original point, in Elon Musk case, if this like scenario happened where they were doing that, right? you post something on Elon Musk's Twitter and Tesla decides they don't like it. They shut your car down. Don't buy those. That was my whole point. No. That wasn't your point.

Your point? Yes, it was. You're talking about. No, you said, well, the reason why I interjected was because you said the government was pushing people to get electric cars and you think that's a bad idea. Yes. That's why I interjected. Do you think the government should push people to,

do anything, I guess with my question for you guys? Yeah, absolutely. They should pick winners and losers and, like, so then it's like, is it capitalism or not? Like, I don't have an answer to this. I'm just wondering what you guys think. Why does it? Is it what capitalism? The government telling people

what to picking and choosing what to do. No, not telling is different than suggesting. Right. But if, like, we talked earlier about like big corn. I think it was Billy brought up. big corn and big corn really only exists because they get unbelievable government subsidies that if

they didn't have those subsidies if government wasn't basically choosing big corn then they wouldn't be in every single product in the grocery store 98% of products in the grocery store so like they're effectively the government through policy has picked that sort of monocrop agriculture through policy and made them successful where they otherwise probably would not be so i don't know if that that's something that would be a good thing, a good measure to spread across other industries either. Yeah, I don't have answers, but I have questions, I guess. Well, I think this is why I'm not a fan of capitalism is because especially when it's interwoven within our government and lobbyists, right? Yes, lobbyists. This is why. It's because when you have the

influence of major corporations that that influence legislative power to pill, back regulations on oversight in business, this is what you get. You get a low-key oligarchy, which is what we basically are. Yeah. I mean, they're literally, they're literally dictating policy with their checkbook. And then, but then we have the situation, Aaron, where we get a product that's pushed on us through both media influence and lobbyist influence and then it becomes a social issue that we don't exactly know if it's sort of just lobbyist pushing it or it's an actual state fact like so for example we have the vaccines and we have Pfizer that sponsors tons of media programming and also has lobbyists in congress

and then we have this idea that the vaccine is once again a product like big corn that has been propped up by the government. Sure. But so I think, I mean, there's, do I think, there's a do, I think, there's a do. I think we talked about it, but there's a dude by the name of Jonas Sulk, right, who made the, the polio vaccine, right? He gave a shit out for free. And, and, and that, that's, that's where we're at with it, in my opinion, is even humanitarian

issues are, are, are, are being profited off of, right? And so to answer your question, there are, are, are, are, are, are, are, are, are, are, are, are, vet that kind of stuff, right, especially when you're dealing with science. There are ways to conduct studies, trials, all that stuff that can curate what is true and what is not true, right? And the beautiful thing about something like that is it's not just American scientists that are testing this shit out. It's scientists from all over the world. And the overwhelming evidence from all those studies is that the shit works. So, but that's different from like a product like a consumer good, a car, bread, milk, shit like that, right?

That's where we run into issues. I don't think something like a vaccine is where we have an issue. The issue I have with the vaccines is, or we have with any kind of drug in general, insulin, vaccines, all this stuff, is that people profit off of it. That's the issue. You should not be a profit. What do you replace capitalism with? You asking me?

Well, you know, no, no. do this chief but for example that whole that whole process we just described with lobbyists government picking winners that is in capitalism itself that is certain uh firms being blocked from the market because of the oversight of picking winners and lobbyists that's not an open market that's oligarchs controlling uh the parts of the free market which causes certain winners to That's why capitalism will always be a snake eating itself is because all it yields is hoarding. All it yields is I'm going to be the biggest and the baddest. Once you're the biggest and the baddest, you can then dictate the arena that you're playing in.

That's all it ever will be. But that isn't that isn't the true belief in the free market. Like for example, I agree, but it's a by, it's a byproduct of what it will be day in and day out, always. because let's say you wanted to start a Coke company, Billy. Look at who you're competing against. And there will come a time. Let's say it's successful locally.

They'll come a time that your Coke product is moving units and you're doing good and you're going to expand and you want to grow to the point where you're on Coca-Cola's radar, right? Right. They're going to buy you out. Right. They're going to buy you out. Or they're going to do shit to sabotage. Huh?

Then Billy just got rich. I mean, Coca-Cola does do that. They have. But the point isn't him getting rich. The point is, is him creating competition in the market. That's the point of it. And at this stage in capitalism, it's not possible because their pockets are too deep. Yeah, I mean, I guess I would push back on that specifically, maybe in tech and automobiles, it might be difficult.

But I guess Tesla would be an example like they've disrupted the marketplace and new beverages come out and they do often get acquired. by the big boys, but they, they come out all the time. Look at our guy. I'm drinking a body armor right here. Rapoli, he, he basically, he started vitamin water as a competitor to Gatorade and then sold it to their biggest rival, which is Coca-Cola. So, like, and he made billions of dollars. And now he's-

But that was my point, though. But he didn't have to sell it. My point is he did. He would have to sell it because there comes a time where you cannot compete with the infrastructure that Coca-Cola. has. You cannot do it. You cannot do it. But he did. He made it. He didn't. He sold. Once they offered him billions. Why didn't they didn't have? They offered him billions because they can afford to offer him billions. And now guess what? Now, now that's under the umbrella of Coca-Cola,

right? Right. And there's no more competition. That's what I'm talking about. This is why you're always going to get a monopoly. You're always going to get a monopoly. And, any field. You're going to have four, five, maybe six, whatever. You have a finite amount of companies competing. And they're probably going to the same golf course each other, high-fiving each other. We just bought another little motherfucker out. And this is why it's hilarious to me because, like, you have people on the right and the left. They're all saying the same shit. Small business is the backbone of America. But yet time after time again, all we do is crush small businesses with our legislation so all we do that those to me are separate things i i guess i

don't really agree that if you have a quality product and a business run the right way like ripoli didn't have to sell out to coca coal with vitamin water like he was making millions and millions of millions of dollars a year but like i i can see like i've started new projects before you just get bored of shit like i've taken this as far as i can i'm going to cash out and i'm going to cash out of vitamin water and use that money to start another competitive business, which is body armor. So like he like he's like you can, I think if you come up with a good enough product and you see a, you want to fill in a gap that's just not there in a marketplace. I think it's been proven in recent time that you can do that.

But I guess your point is eventually like you're just going to get swallowed a hole, right? Is that what you're saying? Yeah, a thousand percent. Yes. And, um, you're giving a small sample size. of something that worked. Yeah. Right.

Yeah. And so for every one body armor, there's a thousand. We never heard of them. Well, you know what's actually, we're talking about the wrong. Microsoft, I would have agreed with you. I just know the beverage industry a little bit better. If you said Microsoft and they just squash everybody, which is what they did all through the 90s and early 2000s, you're 100%.

Honestly, we're talking about the wrong thing. The thing is they should have never been allowed to base. What's really failed is our antitrust laws and our politicians, a bill. to enforce them because, like, for example, they should, like, those types of acquisitions almost shouldn't be allowed to happen because they are creations of monopolies. And where we get failed is like, so I was reading about Teddy Roosevelt and he was a huge antitrust guy. Broke up big oil.

Broke up standard oil. Yeah. And basically, I think a huge part of the development of our current market and our current economy and our current political landscape is that a lot of those type of guys who honestly probably couldn't been I'm not going to say that Teddy Roosevelt was an angel but I think that he was one of these guys who just couldn't be bought part of that probably because he was born into a very rich New York City family and was uncorruptible because he had his own wealth but honestly like thinking about that there's almost value to that and that he wasn't corruptible

and went after these companies. And that's probably what's missing from our government today and probably missing as to why capitalism has gotten, you know, it has gotten to this point where it is honestly not really resembling the sort of free market principles that Adam Smith and Keynes talked about. Yeah. And I guess the big one, we'll see if it comes to fruition,

but it would be tech. And it would be specifically like social media platforms. There's been, there's been some talk of been like breaking up Facebook, Instagram, WhatsApp, making those separate companies. But that's really kind of it. And so if they decide to go, if someone has the balls to take on big tech and, you know, Google, this Facebook, I guess meta or whatever they're calling themselves now, that would be, that would be the marker for that. If someone has the balls to go after them and really break those up, I don't think it'll happen. but that would be like the modern day probably the place to start.

So in honestly, what's crazy about, let's say there is that person who would be there to try to break up monopolistic corporations and, you know, try to actually enforce antitrust laws, they'd probably be smeared

and attacked from all sides. And a person like that would probably not survive the, the media, onslaught just from a backing standpoint that may occur and you know you look at some of the most hated politicians uh from a media standpoint and it makes you question like you know is this just someone who actually wants to make better and break up corruption who's just been attacked by corrupt large entities yeah begs the question that might be the biggest

cancer on society now is that it is impossible to know what is true and what's false. Exactly. It is just, so it's like you can't get to a place where it's like you can have a reasonable debate about an issue because no one can even agree on the facts. Like if you have the facts, then you can agree about how to apply them or whatever. But if you can't even, if it's like, no, this bottle is blue or this bottle is red and you just can't even agree on what it is, then it's like you can't, you can't even take the first step. But boys, I had a great time talking to you. I have another show to go do. So I have to

drop one a little bit early too. I didn't know this is a marathon show. Oh yeah. We go we go long. Okay. Well, I loved it. I loved it. So thanks for having me. It's good to meet you guys. Good to meet you, Aaron. And you guys, you guys have a good day. Big T. Billy. Thanks coming out. Chief. And thank you, Dante for also coming on. He bowed out a little earlier. So perfect. So what else? This is honestly probably one of our early, how many hours we got going 1-11 we yeah this is a short one boys we got we got to get something else going so what else has been in the media that we can probably touch on well we didn't mention mad dog won the uh the bracket oh fuck yeah hell yeah mad dog yeah shout out shout out jhawks what is it

reluctantly i reluctantly admitted no i was happy for you man i was i was drunk watching it We was talking about in the group And it wasn't even really that close either Nah, it wasn't I was, I don't watch college basketball I don't care about college basketball Which I'm sure Big T is very upset about that I want I mean that's the way it always goes

Right I feel comfortable saying I watched more college basketball this season Than everyone else on this show combined And I finished tied for last Yeah That's why I hate fantasy football None. I watched zero.

Oh, I didn't watch this. I don't watch a game either. No. That's one of those things. Like, that's why we don't have any fantasy sponsors. That's why in high school, when I was playing fantasy football, it would always be like, like, I don't know. It just would make me mad. I think fantasy football is a little bit more strategic.

Yeah. And it's drawn out, actually. Yeah. I remember I played, I played fantasy football with my family in 2014 while I was in the league. And you were talking to coaches. Is that allowed? No, no, not. Well, I don't know for money.

And it was, it was crazy because when you study the game at that level, like, it wasn't, it wasn't like, I was, say, I knew who I had and I knew who they were going against. So I knew the defense. I knew the style of defense. I knew their tendencies on third down. I knew all of that shit. And so, like, I just mop the floor with them every week. Oh, you did? And like, oh, my, what?

I mopped. Because I knew what I was doing. Like, I actually knew what I, like, because I play fantasy football now, we had a league with a bunch of players we played with. And I don't know. I don't even know half these dudes names. It's just a guessing game. Like, I have no fucking clue. But then I was watching film on defenses.

I was watching film. Like, I knew special teams. You know what I said? There's just a different level. Yeah, I, like, I do March Madness pretty much every year. Every year I model my bracket after, like, who I remember being good in, like, the early 2010s. and this year just happened to be a blue blood be a blue blood final four but yeah I'm I'm proud of myself

I also want like every other bracket I was in like I Of course yeah I think I had a pretty good bracket Yeah I have Kansas and then I honestly I think Gonzaga was my other team that was in the championship This is like the year Kansas finally like didn't choke and started to play really I need UNC to win really badly I have a future on UNC dude I I just grew up a UNC fan. And this last game, that's the only game I watched, like, for real, for real, was Duke versus North Carolina because they had never met in the Final Four before.

And so I grew up a North Carolina fan with, like, Antoine Jameson, Vince Carter. Like, I always grew up loving UNC. And so, like, I was super happy about that. Yeah, no. Good for them boys. Thank you for the shout out, Avery, though. Very excited. Hey, hold on.

We all got to get her. So you chose Crown Apple, right? I did. Yeah, we got to. I tried to drizzly it to you And it wouldn't work, man I got to try it again Well, it's okay

Or we just get you up here And we'll do it up here Drizley's never seen you order Crown Apple That's why they were trying to shut They were shutting you down They were like You've been hacks, sir

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it's so funny because it's just an mp3 player it's an mp3 player it does have a cool thing where it's like i don't know if anybody's dealt with music but when you submit um like your your mixes to like either an engineer mixer or a master like you give it to them in stems and what stems is it's like the audio track only where it's like just the vocals and it's like just the bass just the right and so it has four different compartments it breaks all songs down to and you can kind of like isolate just vocals you can isolate just uh which is pretty cool but like after like your third or fourth song doing it's pretty pretty pointless so how much did that thing cost like 220 and i accidentally ordered two is there different plugs for like can i see this is just one and does it use a one plug and

one for like headphone audio jack and then it has this is the plug you plug it up to like a computer and it's USBC because he's definitely an Apple guy so it's just not cool at all it's cool in a sense of like so like for

Kanye's and like all the stems they're little if you know anything about music like they're they're not as clean as his because his was directly his shit was made to program into it so his cuts out like really good but like a lot of the other ones like you can still kind of hear shit in the background but it's it's dope in a sense that it's like there's not a device that that does it like that really but there's not a lot of utility from it you can't really do anything with it other than

enjoy the fact that you can listen to like an acapella yeah you should almost be able to like use it so you can take stuff out of music and like remix it with other you can oh you I'm sorry. Yeah, yeah, I fuck that up. So, no, you can't. I don't think you remix whether, but you can, like, create loops. You can, like, create, like, stuff like that. Gotcha.

But it's, like, I said, after, like, the third or four song, if you fucking with it, it's just not really a thing that's that fun to play with. Okay. Yeah, I was thinking, like, if you could take, like, Michael Jackson's lyrics and, like, remix it with, like, a beat from a different song. No, no, no, no. I mean, there's definitely programs you can do that on, but, like, nah, not, not this thing. Yeah.

I just like it, I just like it in a sense that it's, like, really, it feels really cool. so it's like loki a fidget toy and i'm really uh add when it comes to that like i love i love fidget toys all right looks cool yeah it's dumb actually and i accidentally bought two of them stupid dude do that shit a lot all right mad dog let's hear it I'm Macroderessing. This is Alex from Pittsburgh. I wanted to start off saying y'all are beautiful, handsome, gorgeous, all of you. Matt Doggy, you too.

I have a really good question. So you're in a Royal Rumble Cage match. You versus these three people, Nick Adams, Russell Wilson, Tucker Carlson. You have to beat one up, beat one to death, and then have to side with one, who you choose. And it's kind of like Fuck Mary Kill, but a little bit different. Royal Rumble style. I love the podcast. I hope to hear from you guys. Thanks. So it was Nick Adams, Tucker Carlson, and who? Russell Wilson. Well, he got to side with Russell Wilson. No, you absolutely do not. Uh, I'm taking Tucker because he's just relentless.

Are you serious? You don't think Tucker's got a fucking goose neck and you want him on your side? Yeah, Russell Wilson's a bitch, dude. Yeah, but Russell Wilson is definitely more dangerous in hand-to-hand combat. I don't think that's true. He has his little concussed. Concussion water. What? What is the Russell? Hold on. We got to get down to that.

There was a lot of spice in that. I just don't like him. I'm listening. Well, like, I do genuine, like he's just kind of a, he's kind of a bitch.

Like he has his little concussion water and he does his weird little hokey, Twitter videos. I just don't like him. That's fine. Like, if you do, that's awesome for you. I would be willing to look past Russell Wilson's,

like, corniness in the sake of hand-to-hand combat. So then, Tucker and I are going to He said beat up and then beat to death I guess those are similar But we won't kill Russell Wilson But we'll kill Nick Adams

I don't like Nick Adams either What's interesting? Why not He's, I actually think he's like a complete Like lib plant Like I don't think Like at first I thought he was a conservative Just playing his whole deal up Now I think he's like actually

I think he's politically aligned Like with you I think he's like that far left well no fuck and he's he's it's it's all a bit dude i definitely think it's a parody for sure well yeah at first i thought it was it was a conservative dude just like playing shit up for retweets but now i think he's actually like a complete plant i don't think it's that i mean if he is he's he's so like selling it and i don't see the game like he's not selling anything like literally i think some people just think it's fun

I mean, my guy drove to the border wall. Like, that's, that's, like, that's a lot just for Twitter. I mean, it could be the case. But, like, I don't know. That's one of the funniest things I've ever seen, though, when Nick Adams drove to the border wall. He's standing on his truck. I haven't seen that. Oh, fuck.

I'm going to send it to you. He kisses the wall. It's just so fucking funny, though. Yeah, I want to say. I mean, I think Nick Adams may be part of the conspiracy to prove that. that Australia is really a place because it's not Australia's not real

Got it You know what I'm saying Where do you stand on birds? We'll know the birds Birds are real But have you guys ever heard The Australia isn't real And Finland isn't real type

Conspiracies That to cover up the British committing genocide Of all the like prostitutes And prisoners They sent to Australia That they made up this place That they sent them to

But it's really like an island And sounds like It's a funny conspiracy see if you dive down that rabbit hole same with the finish one that finland isn't real either oh i haven't heard that one the fin the finland not real one is saying that uh in order to protect uh certain fishing rights in the northern sea there's a huge ocean where finland is supposedly but really it's so the russia can keep fishing those waters and norways in on it too and helsinki is the only real city but it's really it's really so the russia can keep fishing those waters and norways in on it too and helsinki is

the only real city but it's really in part of norway it's a funny one oh i don't i have my capacity for bullshit is is little have you ever met any finished people probably but they never said they were finished so what have you ever i don't have you ever heard a finish accent mhm maybe i don't yeah i mean who do we know that's finish i actually met a finish guy once Finland's real. It's just funny. Yo, you are fucking hilarious, though.

All right, so what was it? That wasn't fuck Mary. It was beat up. Beat to death. You got to pick one to side with and just beat the other two people, I guess.

One you take down and one you kill, though, right? Yeah, yeah. Did you finish? Yeah. Go ahead. I forget what it was. It's me and Tucker. We're going to beat up Russell Wilson

and then kill Nick Adams. um so i'd side with russell wilson beat up nick adams because he's definitely not getting up after getting beat up and tucker carlson i think is working with russia low key so he'd have to get beat to death i think tucker's working with uh russell wilson i mean with russian it's just some of his talking points on the matter do not make sense for like someone who actually respects i don't know yeah nothing says really makes sense but um I'm going to go with I got a side with Russ

definitely got put down my guy Tucker Carlson he does the most damage and I just beat up Nick Adams yeah facts like he might

he might actually be Spets Naz so we got to kill him because he'll get up if he doesn't get beat up Nick Adams is hilarious though I got it to a Twitter spat with a couple like people that follow me

like why do you follow him and I'm like he's he's hilarious. And it was like, so racism is, it's hilarious? I'm like, yeah. And they're like, I just don't see what's so funny about it. And I'm skeptical about anybody's politics who thinks white supremacy is comedy. And I was like, like, yo, racism has been used as a point of comedy for, I don't know how long now.

Like, Dave Chappelle made a career about out of it. Like, what is you talking about? I was just so confused. But I think the thing is too woke for me. And that's saying a lot. Die, I was going to say. I say it a lot. All right, Matt.

Hoop, Maddie. Hey, guys, this is Tom from Rhode Island. I heard an interesting hypothetical the other day, and I wanted to pass it along to get your take. So you get in a fight with a perfect clone of yourself. Same height, weight, strength, everything's an exact match. In this fight, you get to choose between a standard size wooden baseball bat or an 8-inch kitchen knife. whichever you don't choose goes to your clone so when big T1 chooses a bat

Big T2 gets the knife the only goal is to win the fight what are you choosing and why thanks Tom is an automated message I was going to say that guy delivered that so perfectly and concisely yeah

anyway that was impressive shout out Tom you're better on the mic than I am you got to go knife have to go knife because you can absorb a few hits from the baseball bat by the time you stab. Like, you're going to take some hits, for sure.

But the five hits you take from the baseball bat, you're going to be able to absorb and then you stab. I'm going to have to, are you like, so think about the stabbing motion. Like, just hit the hand with the knife with the baseball bat. And then. Also, you wielding both weapons, right? So you got to know what you're good.

Like, I am not good with a knife. And I don't, I don't want to get hit by a bat. So I would rather have the. bat because i know i ain't gonna i don't shoot and i'm not gonna like go i know me so i'm taking the bat i'm just going to hit your hands or whatever with the bat yeah i thought about that first too but like if they charge well now you're also remember you're fighting yourself well here's the thing you got to think of the weight of the bat right it's it's it's decently heavy so if you swing with your hardest force and you miss that's a big miss like a knife is lightweight you can make quick

quicker moves with a knife than you can with a bad well i i've thought about this a lot before when you're using a bat um except if you to keep a bat in my house here we go and i i always you know i'm like look like my life is really not that exciting i do a lot of sitting around and thinking um when you use the bat you don't want to swing it like you're swinging at baseball you want to swing down because you're usually no one's really going to have the lateral speed to get out of the way like they could back up but if you're swinging down and you miss, that gives you time to recover off the ground whereas you swing, you're going to move in a different direction

and you're going to turn your back. So. Big T, get the bat behind you. I want to see this. Yeah, yeah, this is a great. Should we do a little bad podcasting demonstration? Yeah, it's bad for podcasting, but if you're up to subscribe on YouTube. Yeah, so like swinging down, right? It's like.

Like the bonking motion? Yeah, the bonk. If you bonk, if you bonk them away, but if you're swinging this way, you're going to miss and then you're going to have your back to the other person and then they're going to be able to stab you in the organs anyway I'd probably end up stabbing myself by accident

so that's why I'd use the bat you can take a hit from a baseball bat a lot easier than you can take a stab yeah but the repeated motion there's going to be a lot of covering up when you're swinging also I ran to this TikTok the other day where someone was describing how to make their bat

grab proof so what you got to do is you got to take your bat put vaseline all over it then you just drop the it's a plastic it's a plastic bat it's a plastic bat so it's feeble so it's easy to swipe away by accident so then you put a sock over the vaseline bat so then if someone tries to grab the bat when you swing at them they grab the sock and you pull it out and they just have a sock and then you swing it again and then their hand slips off because of the vaseline and they can't grab it and you can get multiple repeat hit. This would be a great question for Commander Brown. Yes. He would know

the answer to this. Yeah, you would. He would not. But couldn't you also like couldn't you also the 8 inch knife can you, I guess you would have to be really good like you could still throw it. Yeah, but then if you miss you miss you're fucked. But if you don't miss.

But it would it would be you throwing it though man, though. Like, can you throw a knife? No, not really. But I mean, no, but I can't throw a knife. I also think a standard one baseball bat, if you hit someone one time,

you can kill them. You can kill them. You can knock her. You can knock them out. Before they have the chance to come at you to get close enough to stab you. Dude, I mean, I'm just, I'm not cunning. I'm not cunning like that with a knife.

Yeah. Plus, I know, I know jujitsu. I know how to like control somebody's, arm and so now how would you hold the how would you hold the knife if you were to use the knife would you go like this would you hold it like backhand like this or would you hold it straight like that that backhand thing i think is i mean it's probably either like like that or like that or like yeah i mean like this but

this is very like going like this like actually now i yeah now you're just like you're like using this to get the bat and then you're just like but then you get hit in the hand with a bat and you're holding anything you're not going to be able to hold on to it right and like what like I don't think if you're picking a knife I don't think you're fully really like what baseball bats are heavy now here's another hypothetical that's connected

if you were in a room with your uh you know I'm asking this hypothetical and you guys have to answer it so it can't be deflected back on me If you're in a room with your exact twin clone, would you rather kill it or have sex with it? Oh, what? This guy's out of control. This is ridiculous.

This was a not, no one's, you've never heard that hypothetical about your twin. No. No. So what did you do? For sure, kill it. That might have been the easiest hypothetical. But they fight back.

You have a chance of dying in that situation? You think they're not going to fight back if you try to fuck them? But they, but you both are choosing to fuck. it's consensual everybody that was macro oh come on Thursday everybody have a great way

we're doing hypothyth come on I would rather but they're also gonna try to kill you whatever you try I'm with Big D it was a great episode

yeah we'll see everybody on Thursday have a great week no hold on so we're on the same page because I don't want to fuck myself literally

so you want to so you gave me two options I'm not fucking myself Well, you're going to kill yourself? You're not killing yourself. You're killing a clone. Right, but the clones trying to kill you. No, that wasn't the hypothetical is that it's going to try to kill you as well.

Is it going to try to, is it going to try to fuck me as well? Yeah, well, it's a consensual. Okay, well, who's on top? You have to decide that with your clone. That's what I'm saying. We got to fight for that. And I'm, I'm straight on any male-to-mail contact. That's not my bag.

I'm all happy for you if that's your back I mean you do it I mean you do it to yourself You got to preface that That's facts Masturbation is not having sex With yourself It's caressing yourself

It's not having sex Also it's actually yourself Not another version of Yeah it's technically your clone It's yourself It's not my A clone is not Oh my definition

A clone is not yourself Verbal meme They hate him because he was telling the truth Jesus A clone is not yourself Hey What's that meme

I butchered it I'm sorry They fucked that up They yelled at him Because he told the truth You're not You're objectively wrong Dude look

I know I'm back against the wall here I post a question I knew who's gonna fuck with everybody What would you rather Oh I asked the question Yeah that's bullshit Now you have to answer it No I'm not

Yeah, you have to. Tom didn't have to answer his question. Well, it's a clear answer. It's a clear kill yourself answer and you won't answer it so we know your answer. But like you might also die trying to kill yourself. That's fine. I'd rather die than fuck myself. Like what, what are we talking about?

That's what it comes down to. Yes. Would you rather die or fuck yourself? Okay. Yeah. I knew. I was just trying to get someone to. Philly just wants someone to fight back.

Oh, God. Mad Dogg, you got anything else? Yeah, I have one more. Yes, we can't end on that. Hey, Maccadocene. This is Ed from Cairo, Egypt. Whoa. I don't know what you guys look like, to be honest,

but there's plenty of voices based on the content to your character. You're all gorgeous, beautiful, handsome, and whatnot. I am wondering how long your Egypt you think you can make it in solitary confinement. A day, a month, a week. and honestly I think this would be good content for an episode I think crazy things happen in solitary combined you guys would be great to cover it

all right thanks bye Cairo that's our farthest caller ever I would actually love to know what someone who has only listened to the show and doesn't know what we look like thinks we look like he probably has no idea like draw us without knowing what we look like like this person probably stumbled upon macrodosing just in the Apple like Apple podcast store

and society and culture parts like has no idea about like Barstall in general maybe you're making a lot of generals I know no no no he said well yeah because if you know about but if you know about I don't know yeah yes what Billy is saying we do we have no clue

yeah nobody probably doesn't even have internet no I was I was I was kind of thinking along those lines when he said that I was like you're getting I'm just saying if he doesn't know what we look like that he's never visited like our Twitter's barstall content on Instagram and Twitter yeah or Matt the Macro yeah He's probably just only consuming the podcast.

He's a fan of audio. Yeah. Audio file. Yeah. How do you, how long? Which I don't understand. I don't understand people, which we're all appreciative of all you guys that only listen to audio.

But I can't listen to anything without looking at it. Like I have to see and I have to, I'm like a visual kind of learner, I guess. What do you do on, uh, like, except for, I guess the music is different. The music is different. The music is different. If there's a conversation, I guess that's not true. no it is true for the most like if it's a i don't really listen to podcast like that but like if i'm listening to something like that i i have youtube premium and so because i'm on youtube a lot

and so i got to have to see like i can't just listen what about what about when you're uh did you ever well i guess there wasn't podcast like like commuting like driving or even on the train talking about you said there wasn't podcast win fam well i'm just saying what was the last time you had to commute every day commute well i have to I had to go to work. Like a commute every day. Like a work commute. I don't know.

Like what was the last time you took the train somewhere every day? Oh, I've never took a train everywhere. Or a bus. I mean, that's where I could assume podcasts. I guess I think I was in middle school and last time I took a bus. So did they have podcasts back then? It didn't have podcasts. But didn't I mean, Aaron, didn't you have to like drive?

driving in, like, a training facility every day? Yeah. But I guess I'm sure that was that long. Yeah, I'm sure that was that long. I listen, like 20 minutes, but I listen to music. I've never been a podcast guy. Like, I'll listen to podcast, which is weird because I've had podcasts for a while. But I'll listen to music.

But it's not that weird. I got a dude who owns a gym. And all he hears is music all day. He's a trainer. And so just blast, all genres, all day, all music. And I was like, when somebody asked me, I was like, do you listen to music when you go home? He's like, fuck, no.

Like, I'm so sick of music. He's like, all I listen to is like audio podcasts or audio books or something like that. But like, I will not listen to music. That's like work. Yeah, like I listen to way less podcasts now that I work here. You know? Because before I would like listen to all, I would listen to Macfordosing like on my walk to class.

Now I'm just here. I don't understand where. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't know on them, Maddie. Stun on them. Yeah. I don't understand people who work.

work out to podcasts. Oh, I do that. That's something I can't wrap my head around. It's just a distraction. But like you're like in like, well, I guess. Well, they're not training for the Olympics like you, Billy, or trying to beat world records while sniffing creatine. Like it's just a distraction.

True. Because you're kind of listening to other people talk. Because music, I kind of get bored because I'm like, okay, I know when the song, if I know the song like, I know, okay, this song's going to end in like three minutes. Okay, and then it's just going to be another one. Like, with one continuous thing, it feels like time moves quicker. It might be. You know, it's a wild thing to me is when people listen to music on shuffle when they work out.

Because I'm like, I have a specific playlist and shit I want to hear in the mood I'm in, right? But people just like go from like hip hop to R&B to country and they're just all cool as long as there's sound. That's weird to me. I got to have like a set playlist. Like we get a, we're about to get it in. Yeah, like shuffling your work. workout playlist, but like shuffling your whole library. Oh, that's, yeah, that's, that's, that's cancer.

I don't like that. I think that's an insane move. Like, even when driving. Because do you know how many random songs you have saved that you probably don't even know? I have so much Frank Sinatra randomly. Yeah. I have for like, like your dad probably downloaded it.

Yeah, like my whole family shared an I cloud account. Like I had really old, you know, Dean Martin. Your whole family shared an Iclan account. Yeah, like I'd have old Sprink Sinatra. We all had the same, y'all had the same library. Yeah. Oh, well, you know how many stories about everyone, like having pictures on your phone and your parents find out because you share an ICloud account?

No, I've never heard of this. Why people do this? No, that happened a ton in high school with like, it was like a whole thing. Like, guys would get in trouble because they'd save a Snapchat and you'd get uploaded to their I cloud account. And it's like their mom's issues of their phone. you're like, what the fuck? Yeah.

Yo, I didn't never even think that that was a thing. That's crazy. Yeah, dude, 21st century problems. Ephoria. Yeah. That's how I would listen to like really old Jay-Z when I was little because that was like, that was like the only thing on like my Apple before like Spotify was a thing. There was like only thing on my iTunes.

So I just listen to like 2004 JZ all the time. Wait, really quick. What was the guy's question again? How long could you last in solitary? Oh, yeah. I don't know. Not long. If I had

I could sit in a room by myself Like with my phone and a TV forever But if you don't have that Correct. Yeah, not I don't know, not long I saw there was this dude who He was a poker player And he made a bet with another poker player

That he could stay in complete darkness Solitary confinement for I think 14 days In complete darkness Do you have light in solitary? Yeah, you have like a window I think you yeah that's that's torture that's not dude i don't think that's legal i don't know i think because it really fucks people up i know that you know i i don't know i couldn't even put a date on it i i'm already in my thoughts after one night yeah just by myself in my room with things

if i have no things and i'm just sitting there i fuck around go crazy if i had a light cycle and i think you're allowed to have any religious scripture with you and solitary confinement i think that's like like you could have the bible the koran whatever holy book i'm pretty sure that's allowed because like we can look that up but if that was the thing i think i could i'd i'd hate it but i think i could if i had like a workout schedule and i had a 24-hour light cycle i think i could manage it i'd basically i think i could do i think i could do i think i could do five days like a work week i don't know man who i was watching this one video um vsauce oh yeah uh he's really dope yeah he was in he was in solitary confinement but there was no

there was no light he was just in a white padded room and i can't remember how long he stayed in there but uh i think it was like was it three or four days yeah vsos i grew up on vsos honestly i would love to have v we should try to get vs on the show he was literally one of the guys like coming home from school watching vsauce because he just like answered so many questions about the world it was awesome okay so yeah so he's staying in there for three days and he documented the the effects of it and what it did to me like that shit is like you go crazy because like you have your concept of time yeah goes out the window your concept of time concept of self you start question it like you start because there's nobody to talk there's no interaction there's no

sound and so like you really realize how much of your sanity is tied to stimulation yeah stimulation around you and it's it's it's scary as hell i don't know i don't know if i don't know if i can last yeah a day though it was three that shit is long i mean we were talking about there was a there's that that um room that has like zero sound the quietest room on earth oh yeah it's like padded. Yeah, and it's like they use it for like experiments on sound and basically people who go in there, they

I don't know if this is true or like something I just read, but like they start to hear their blood pumping because it's so quiet. I heard you can hear your heartbeat. I don't know, but that's what I heard. Yeah. You can hear your heartbeat and your just circulatory system because that's the only thing making a sound and

like your stomach and it makes you go nuts. I yeah. I don't like I would I've never had COVID and I don't even know if I would I think I would go insane just being in like COVID quarantine like if I was totally by myself and you would and you have a TV and your phone and everything I had to quarantine over Christmas and I was quarantine I was cool leave me alone I'd be cool by myself I had I had my dog with me though that was a lifesaver because you can like kind of talk to your dog yeah and like I mean I live with my dog and I straight up like like talk to my dog while I'm alone with him. Would you eat him if you don't have any food? If he was life or death situation, would you eat him? Well, I think I'd find having a dog, I think I'd definitely find a different way to get food.

Like having it like that's the whole. Let's say you're on an island. There's no food. He's the only thing there. It's dry. There's no, there's no vegetation. There's a water. There's a water duck that you can, you can drink water out of.

But there's no vegetation. and there's no other animals there's no birds there's nothing it's just you and your dog and they ain't gonna get there for three weeks you know they're coming in three weeks I would hold on I think you can survive for three weeks I mean nah too I think god damn it why do you put these okay so would you know you're gonna ask us why you put a hypothetical

we put a yeah right I just had to fuck myself and you tell you what I was asking if you eat your dog yeah he'd probably want that I mean, I got him that big I deserve these goddamn dog ribs Who much is given Much is expected I'm cutting that little motherfucker up

I got honestly My dog's pretty beefy Yeah your dog would last a while Yeah Oh Jesus Or White he might eat you Honestly Well that's honestly that's what I'm kind of

shaking you up like whitey might go to you first god damn that's so terrible do you think you could be white in a fight yes let's not talk next question well hold on also so the use of books

or the privilege of having books in solitary confinement is limited to none so I don't know if the religious book thing I'm pretty sure you're allowed to read them I've heard so many stories about guys becoming born again Christians in solitary confinement because they can only read the Bible maybe but I think you

I bet you that you have to earn it. I don't think they give it to you right away. Well, I think it depends on your stay. Oh, that's true because I'm, so there's an article that I'm looking at right now of a guy who was in solitary for 27 years. Jesus Christ. And he said, here, it's an article about here are some tips

on making the best use of time alone. They can't be. Interesting. Yeah, I mean, he knows more than that. He would know the best. I'm curious as to why they wouldn't allow books. because it's the thing about our prison system it's just like but yeah it's like it's ridiculous like that's why our recidivism rate is so fucking high that you just want to fuck with people you

don't want it you don't want them to be better people read the so there's that one book like 40 laws of power that's like banned in prison and for let me read it's like 40 laws of 48 laws of power it's banned in prisons because basically it teaches you how to navigate power dynamics and structures especially when you're like a prisoner in relation to like prison guards CEOs and like group dynamics and it's like a very we should honestly do a show on it it's interesting but they the weirdest books are allowed in prison like like like uh like you always hear about prisoners like ending up reading like the craziest um like i know like mine conf is like read a ton in prison.

Well, don't they... No, go ahead, Aaron. And then the other one. Don't they also have in prisons like a library system almost? Yeah. So I bet you it's like super

recycled and old stuff that kind of has just stayed around. Popular books in prison. A life inside, a prisoner's note by Irwin Dreams. And Frank. Frank's a big one. The Diary of a Young Girl by Anne Frank.

48 Laws of Power. The Bell Jar. Legal dictionaries. Oh, that's, yeah. You'd probably just want, like, the thickest books imaginable. Right? Yeah. The new WW2K22 video game is honestly awesome.

Really? Their customization features are insane. And check out the video I did with Troops and Emrags. In Dallas, it's a really awesome. awesome video. It should be on the barstool game time YouTube. I like how WWE does like their character development's really good and like the walkout songs are cool. The whole entertainment aspect is cool. It's just like sometimes very fake. I think you just got to it's like you just got to enjoy it more. Because people are really like it's like imagine you're watching a TV show. Like

oh it's all fake. But like there's still storylines and excitement. all right i mean outer banks is fake like everything's fake and entertainer they're like really good actors though yeah but like like these guys are really good at faking i mean really good at acting through simulated violence that's definitely an opinion that you hold

yeah i would disagree that they're that they make it convincing well i wouldn't say that like their you know dialogue and stuff might not be the best I would agree it's better than porn

that definitely not what in acting oh I don't they're acting porn I don't watch porn for the storylines well I don't watch WWE

you usually brought that up as a reason as to why you should watch this you literally just said it I know I was I was I don't know he's messing with this huh Billy

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