Macrodosing: Arian Foster and PFT Commenter - Mind Control ft. Cesar Millan

Episode Date: November 3, 2022

On today's episode of Macrodosing the crew is back with a VERY special guest, the Dog Whisperer, Cesar Millan (2:55:08). He joins us to talk everything from teaching dogs on a reality show to his new invention that is absolutely amazing. Also, the crew gets into some mind control talk which leads to another battle between Billy and Big T. All of this and so much more on today's show. Enjoy!You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/macrodosing

Hey, macro dosing listeners. You can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad free on Amazon Music. I would like to just propose a post. Excuse me. I'd like to propose a toast here. Oh, propose a post. This is a...

Are you drunk? A macro toast. I've definitely had some champagne. I've had some champagne. I would like to produce a toast. Are you drunk, bro? I had a little bit of champagne before we started. Listen, today is a...

Today is a celebration. Billy, you shut the fuck up right now. It's a celebration day. I've worked for this day, something Billy wouldn't know about for 25 years. And it's finally happening. Dan Snyder is selling the Washington commanders. He's hired Bank of America,

and he is no longer going to own the team in short order. I am hearing. This is just a beautiful day. It's a day of hope. It's a day of reconciliation for the Washington, D.C. area. And we will never forget what Dan Snyder did to our community and how he destroyed a very important part of it and just pissed all over the ashes of it for 25 years.

And now the bitch is gone. And I said earlier, I hope he dies, but I don't hope that he dies anymore. I hope that he lives and I hope that he sees how happy people are without him. And I hope that he sees how much this team can mean to the community. I hope he sees everybody happy and enjoying the fact that he's no longer there. And then I hope also the city of Washington, D.C. lets the new owner of the commanders build a stadium right on RFK Stadium's old site in the heart of Washington, D.C. And Dan Snyder with his broke-ass bitch self and his wife are sitting on the sidelines and crying and they drowned to death in their own tears.

That's what I hope. Cheers. Cheers. I love you guys. Do you have a top three of potential suitors you're looking at? Yeah. Number one is. Real quick.

We got to talk about that. Tell us real quick. Uh-huh. that was long as toast couldn't keep my cup up secondly i rambled a little bit i know you don't like this nigga but like is there it's like a is there like a personal element to it because like that you kind of you kind of you kind of went off on it's like did he i'll be honest with your lady or something i'll be honest with the arian growing up in washington dc the the washington redskins at the time was a very big deal people don't realize it now because it's

Things have changed a lot in that city since he's taken over the team. But it was the focus of the entire city during football season. And even in the off season, like people, everybody would be walking around wearing burgundy and gold all the time. People would not go out on Sundays between 1 and 5 o'clock because they were at home. Everybody was at home watching this team play. And it was actually a very big part of the community. And it did bring people together.

It actually meant something to a lot of people. and then he came and took it over and utterly destroyed it and there is like a big hole in DC because of what he did I'm not I'm not exaggerating that at all like it was a real thing and he just he destroyed it because uh through a mix of arrogance and um ineptitude and just being a bad guy he destroyed all of it and there are people in DC that feel more strongly about him than I do and I'm just glad and okay so that's that's one side of the story. The other side of the story is also that he is a creep and a serial abuser and has come up and some just deserves finally caught up with him through years of acting like a dickhead all

the time. So he's a bad person. And my, my biggest hope is that whoever takes over the team is just, I hope that this person wins immediately right in Dan Snyder's face. That's what I hope. I want nothing but the worst things to happen. Thank you. Man, thank you for sharing it, man. Thank you. Yeah. I've been where you're at, and let me just tell you, it gets better. Thank you. It gets better.

So it'd be easier to name the people that I don't want to buy the team. I would become as a publicly trade company. That would be, is that the first, would that be the first sports organization that was a publicly trade company? The Green Bay Packers sell shares. I'm an owner of the Packers. I don't know if that's like, I will sell my share in the Green Bay Packers if it means I can get into the, Washington football team, whatever it's going to be called ownership group. I like, I want to see like a stock ticker and see how that affects how the teams run.

Yeah. I think it would be bad. Like, so they'd be they'd be maximizing profits for shareholders, yeah. But would would making the team better maximize profits of shareholders? I think ideally I want a rich person that lucked into money somehow and just wants to win because they love sports. That's what I want. Besides that, like it could be anybody.

as it's not the insider. It could Billy brought up Putin earlier. I never, what? Oh, you didn't? Well, somebody else did. I didn't bring up Putin. Okay, well, somebody else brought up Putin. I think I brought up. I think you did the other day. Well, Putin had been brought up to me. You were like, I'd rather have Putin. Oh, no, I brought up Livedor. I brought up Saudi money. That would be tricky. That would be a tricky bit of mental gymnastics that I would have to play. But if

MBS and the public investment fund of Saudi Arabia purchased the team. listen Newcastle's playing pretty well right now yeah that's true I'd have to think about that top four I'd have to think about that one I'm going to say no but maybe they might be worse than Snyder maybe

we both have the exact same feelings towards the Washington Post get some good free agents in there yeah get some great free agents dude we would win so much just that jet they would fly people around on that jet salary cap kind of fucks you but if it was baseball no no no salad they don't listen to salary cap they drop off bags of money at your door yeah they send yeah they probably they send a falcon oh didn't we send a falcon with a sack of like

the lindale white walk into your apartment and you find a bag full of however much money yeah they just send barrels of oil crude oil yeah on with shrink wrapped bricks of cash inside like in breaking bad when they when they put that yeah and oil and you can sell all the oil that could uh the uh the un what's it called unrefined oil crude oil which is really weird it's like mud and it's so like petroleum products so like vaseline is like crude oil is the consistency of like vaseline that's something always found really cool so like during an oil spill if you went to the water and picked up a big thing a goop just like age dinosaur

yeah you I wonder if they could just give you a dinosaur skeleton if they were if if MBS wanted to recruit Billy to just be a a simp for Saudi Arabia I think all he'd have to do is just be like hey I will give you I will give you a Tyrannosaur Rex well a Tyrannosaurus Rex skull would be pretty cool yeah I would settle for a replica even

okay I can make you well anyone can do that No, but like a big one. Okay. I think, how much did that probably be like $5,000? Nicholas Cage has a real one. I think he bought it for $100 million. And so you would be basically a slave to anybody that gave you a giant replica T-Rex skull. We can like 3D print that, I bet.

No, but I want like actual size. You can like 3D print a lot of things. Oh, Nicholas Cage agrees to return Tyrannosaurus skull to Mongolia. Wait, I'm finding, I'm finding one on Ethelian. see for $200. What? Full size? I'm looking that up right now.

Oh my God. This guy, so of transverse skulls, only a quarter million dollars. A real one? Yeah. That's still a lot of money. I was only a quarter million dollars. I was expecting at least a million. Billy, just do me favor.

Don't buy anything because I know what I'm going to get you for your next bonus. Okay. Full size. That's so That's so Billy Yo I just You got the pennies on

Son Yeah You like these You got the pretty Shout out to you Man you went and got them shit This is a big moment for you Man

I don't know how you feeling Man I'm feeling great I'm feeling really good today Aaron This is like this is probably The happiest That I've been

In a very long time I have been able Stop smiling This has been Just I'm glad that I get to share It with my friends What's better

Caps Stanley Cup or this Caps Caps I had that conversation earlier. It goes, Cap Stanley Cup won in terms of sports memories in the last, let's say, 30 years. World Series, too, I guess.

This is number two, World Series three. This is better to me than the World Series. Because, like, the Nats. I love the Nats, and I grew up going to the Nats to a certain extent, like not really growing up going to the games. But once I went to college, then they moved to D.C. And then I became a Nats fan because they started in D.C. in, what, 2004? Something like that.

think. So at that point, I became a Nats fan, but it's not like when I was a kid, I was following the team and going to the games like I was with the caps. So this is, yeah, this is number two for me. This is the second best sports memory that I have in terms of teams that I root for. Where were you when you found out? I was, uh, this true story. I was in the gym, not to brag. I was working out. It's arms day. And I'm doing, I'm doing the lat pull downs, right? getting a nice mix of my lats, my biceps, my forearms to a certain extent, some of the shoulder muscles, some of those muscle groups. And I saw a notification on my phone, and it was a tweet from the Dan Snyder Yacht tracker Instagram account that tweeted at me. And it was a link to this news

article, and I opened it up, and I thought it was an old article that had been like debunked or something. And then I checked my timeline. And then all of a sudden, Avery sends me a text being like, yo, I think this is happening. And, man, I've just been, I cried in the cab on the way of work. I did. I had not ashamed to admit it. I cried a little bit. So I put my sunglasses on and then took a picture.

Some people going to see me crying. And my eyes were just like a little bit red and like a small, small tear. And then some dude saw that picture and was like, look at this clown wearing a seatbelt in a cab. And I was like, I didn't know that those people. existed like the seatbelt chambers and especially in a cab yeah have you seen cabs like if i get into an accident i'm just going to fucking sack i'm gonna that's what that how is that racist how is that racist please explains me how that is racist i think it's racist on you for a cab drivers for hundreds of years my grandfather was a yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo i have plenty black

friends but i was just joking but you're your your your defensive This makes me think it kind of was now. Like, I was clearly joking, was not going to make another comment about it. But you just wholesale put your foot on both feet on the break. I thought it was racist against white guys because my driver today was a white guy. Cap, they drive more aggressively because they're driving more and they think other drivers. They're driving with a different urgency. Yeah.

I just didn't know that that was a thing that people were like seatbelt shammers still. Yeah. Like if I get into a car accident, I'm just going to fucking sack up and go through the windshield like a man. Yeah. I used to be that guy. You used to roast people for wearing a seatbelt? I grew out of it. You know what it changed?

The day I had my first daughter, bro. Like, my whole mindset changed. I was like, it's not that cool to just be out here without a seatbelt. And I've been wearing a seatbelt ever since. Yeah, you get. So people are like, oh, in the city you're going, you know, 30 miles an hour tops or whatever, no. You get up to 40 sometimes. Also, you're very likely to get into a car accident at some point in New York City.

More than likely. I got into a car accident when I was 20, I think 25, 26. And the seatbelt saved me from going through the windshield. Like that, it actually does, it saves people's lives. So I didn't know that people were like, yo, don't be a pussy. Now that I think about it, I always put a seatbelt on if I'm in the front seat of a car, but I don't if I'm in the back seat of a car, which is like an Uber cab. When I was like, I think nine, eight or nine, we got into a car accident.

I was sitting in the back and I never used to put my seatbelt on. And I slammed my fucking face into the back of the headrest and I lost a tooth in the headrest. And then I was like, you know, it was like bleeding everywhere. And I was just like, I always wear a seatbelt again. Then my mom made me right a thousand times. I will always wear my seatbelt. I will always wear my seatbelt. Did you have any fucking Bart Simpson to you, bro?

Yeah. Did you have any brain injury from that? You know what, man. I'm worried. Like, who knows? Did you fake it to get out of a test? No. It's an epidemic.

That was before the concussion. That was before the concussion thing. Yeah, so just wear a seatbelt. And here's my train of thought when I get into a cab and I sit in the back seat. I'll reach for the seatbelt and try to put it on. And then if there's like a problem with the seatbelt, if it's like kind of a pain in the ass, then I'll just be like, oh, fuck it. I'm not going to get into an accident this time.

I think that that's what most people tend to do. But I'd still try to put it on. every single time. My dad told me, I remember I was 11. He gave me a speech. He goes, PFT, always wear seatbelts and condoms. And that was, that was the end of the speech. Your dad calls you PFT? Yeah, he did. He knew. He tiger woodsed you into podcasting. Yeah, exactly. He's from day one. He gave me a rattle in my cage and it was shaped like a microphone. In your cage? Yeah. At a cage

You didn't have a cage? No I guess soft parenting Going on in Georgia Yeah My crib just had like The bars on top So you couldn't climb out

Yeah you had a cage Yeah but but It was a polite They it's something you can buy In Babies R Us To put on top of the What kind of dish did you have Dish?

Yeah Like food dish Not sure No I don't think I got it Mine was steel a steel dish my cage

Gerber baby food and a steel dish next to the water my dad I remember when I was five years old he played the Duke NCAA

basketball game for me on VHS and I watched it and then he was like what do you think about Christian Leitner and I was like he's pretty good

and my dad was like no no he's a jerk you say he's a jerk and that was my first take my very first take ever I wonder if there are kids that are being raised to become

podcasters these days? Yes. Yeah, not more than ever. Do you remember that little kid, that video from like 10 years ago of that little kid memorizing the miracle speech? No. Yeah. Yeah. That kid has a podcast now, for sure, somewhere. What about the kids? Podcasts, but definitely YouTubers.

Yeah, they want to be YouTubers. Now they want to be TikTokers and YouTube. Yeah, there was like... And Twitch streamers. When, like, teachers are asking, what do you want to be when you grow up, like, people are saying, like kids are saying YouTubers, TikTokers. one series. I wanted to be a firefighter.

You can still do that. Yeah. You can be like a volunteer firefighter. I know, but it's hard around here. Because it's all full time. There aren't enough fires. That's the problem. No, no. The problem is, is that like it's a unionized. It's a very hard job to get.

Yeah, but I'm saying if there were more fires, then people would have to hire more firefighters. The wheels are turning. Actually, in box. So, no, no, back. It's very spooky. No, no, back, you just made, remember. Can you just maybe remember?

Can someone cut that up with a zoom in on Billy's eyes as he's doing the math on that one? I didn't like that at all. What I was saying, what I just remembered was remember in Gangs, New York when there was a fire and like six different firefighting companies came. Well, back in those days, all the firefighting units were privatized. So they literally used to intimidate. So whoever you paid was going to come fight your fires. And they would set fires and commit arson to make people.

Big T's world, baby. Anarchy. let's fucking get it yeah stop they would light fires that is literally your worldview privatize

yeah social services privatize everything let's fucking go bigger stick bitter water hose let's fucking fight it out no but it was it was crazy back then

because people would light fires to create a demand to pay for their services and the only reason I'm remembering this now is because I was in McSorley's the other day reading about some of them

on the wall while drinking lights and darks oldest what is it what is mix or like one of the oldest bars in America that's lasted two pandemics but it's just got so much history on the walls

we got to take it to mixorley's but you don't you don't drink beer do you I drink whatever we drink it they literally have light beer and dark beer that's what they have and you can drink a thousand the dark the darker bill is like the one with the hops right it's this one's more of like a

I don't know a darker lagger like an amber lagger and then a light pills you make me so mad the way you say lagger Yeah, what the fuck? Logger. Yeah. Lager.

Well, it's like a Canadian. Sorry, some of us have like different accents and shit. No, that's how I would say it. Lager? Lager. I don't because I don't want to say it, but like that's how like. Oh, my logger. That was mean.

I'm sorry. But like lagger, like the long as. Lager. That's Midwest. That sounds Canadian to me. Yeah, like Midwest, Northern. Whatever. Sorry, Billy.

I didn't mean it'd be funny. Why are you just like so aggressive? I'm not aggressive. He's not aggressive today. I'm very happy today. Are you an angry drunk? I'm not an angry drug. I'm a very,

very happy buzz. Big T's also very happy today too. Yeah, Big T, congratulations. And to you, Aaron, and you know, you have a tenuous connection

to the University of Tennessee football program. But it's tenuous. Big Tee, huge day. Your Tennessee volunteers are number one in the country. It's a big day,

but we have business in front of us. That's a good answer. It's a big day for Wednesday. But come Saturday, it doesn't matter. Got to go win a ball game, huh? No, I mean, it's a huge game. That's what I'm saying. How excited were you allowing yourself to be for number one?

I was excited. Like, it's a really cool thing to have, especially we've been dog shit for a long time and we're number one in the country. It's cool. But like, if you- I think what's really, I'm sorry, go ahead. I was just going to say, lose this Saturday, you're not number one anymore. I do think, though, the people that are like, it's stupid to celebrate that. Actually, in terms of what we want to do this season, it's big also because it probably means you have a better chance of still getting into the playoff if we lose to Georgia, while Georgia may not have that same opportunity at three.

So it's big for a couple of reasons, but yeah, it's cool. Counterpoint. I think I was going to take a step further. I actually think it's extreme, like when Buddy made that kick against Alabama, I was literally sitting on the couch I was on my bed I was watching on my shirt and I was like

yo that might have changed the future of Tennessee football because what it did was it was like a changing of the guards right it could be a changing of the guards moment wherein Alabama got all these recruits because Alabama was winning

right and when you see a juggerna go down on national TV like that but then you start to see the spotlight that is the University of Tennessee Tennessee is different man like it really is like a college town to where they have all the resources

and money to pump into that school and strictly fuel, like, football, it can be, like, the start of a huge run of getting, like, really big-time recruits. And so, like, getting to be number one is what recruits look for. Because I think that's why, you got ebbs and flows of why teams go on runs and Alabama's on that big run.

I think people are tired of going to Alabama. They're looking for that new blood in college football. And Tennessee is one of those programs, that has all the resources in the world, has a really big history, and it has all, like, it has this prestige behind it. I don't think it has ever been really seen on a national level, like it can be now, given the day and age of social media and stuff. So, like, I think it's, like, a really big thing for future recruiting and stuff like that. So I think, I think it actually is something not only to celebrate, but, like, to aim for because that's what recruits is looking

for in that day, shit like that. I think we're the coolest team in college football. right now. We score 50 points a game. Yeah. The stadium is incredible. The colors are cool. Black Unis. These new uniforms. We had like everything. Them motherfuckers was nice. Those were awesome.

Oh my God. And did you see we have orange helmets too that we're going to break out at some point? Yeah, Hawk showed me that when I was in the equipment room. Chicken Hawk is the equipment manager. I think they got to beat Georgia. Yeah, I mean be Georgia and And this all settles itself.

But it's also a great stepping stone because like, listen, this is Hupel's what? Second year? Yeah. So it's like, it's crazy what he's done. You are, you are in good company, man, and your second year and doing that. Especially at this school. Like, I'm telling you this school, any like big SEC school, like you do that shit at Florida, Georgia, Alabama. You're just bound to like start a run of like really good recruits.

Like it just had, that's how it happened. I think they go to, like, a campus visit, and everybody that goes there is like, this place is awesome. There's great facilities, great town. I mean, imagine. But then having the actual number one ranking on top of it, it's now the total package. The one thing that was holding you guys back is, well, they've been shit for a while. How am I supposed to believe that they're really capable of turning it around? And now you have turned it around.

I mean, imagine being a recruit at that Alabama game. Like, there's no school that can match that. atmosphere the whole game then winning it and the scene afterwards like it's kind of too late for this class because most guys are committed at this point and like whatever but the class we have next year is already shaping up to be like unbelievable i'm excited i'm excited for hinden and tyler good for them very very happy for the work that they put in it's cool it's cool to see that happen to those young guys probably going to be in new york here in a month yeah we should have Yeah, hinden by.

Definitely. Yeah, definitely Hendon should be. Yeah, he's now number one in odds. He's the favorite. That's wild. Whoa. That's actually crazy that we...

Glad he ain't take my advice. God damn. Yeah. He probably went from a... I thought I didn't get to stay. I mean, I thought I didn't go. He probably went from like a fifth, sixth round pick to like maybe first.

Yeah. Also, that was really before I understood what NIL was and like how much you can get paid. I don't really understand that. So it's like, it's... It's a little better to stay now, Dave. You're getting a million dollars a season. Not much difference than going to the league, honestly. Yeah.

Yeah. So, Aaron, apology accepted. I don't mind being wrong. It means I learn something, brother. It's a good point. All you youngsters out there could take a note from Aaron Foster in his attitude. So this is start of macro dosing, and today's macrodosing is being brought to you by our great friends over at game time. If you want to go see Tennessee at Georgia, use game time.

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feels about UT football. I just can't wait until like, I'm just so fucking elated. It brings me so much joy that this movie's about to come out and so I'm extra hype about this shit. I'm hyped for you being hype. Man, somebody tweeted me and was like,

it's about to be three hours, dog. You're sitting in there? I wish it was fucking 10. I would have sitting that bitch the entire time. I don't care. Jake Sully. That is actually, I literally say that about college football. People are like, the games are too long. I'm like, I get one of these a week for 12 weeks a year.

I want it to be as long as possible. Well, does that include, like booth reviews, things like that? Do you like that experience? I mean, I would like them to finish those as quickly as possible, but people are like, oh, that overtime thriller took four hours. Like, go fuck yourself. It was awesome. We do have a bit.

of art that has been created in the macro dosing group chat and I'd like to play we should play for the oh my god they're planning I'll just plug it in I have the audio okay can you plug it in I'm gonna I just want to listen to the audio again

though to myself yeah they've planned six avatars oh yeah buddy we out here we're not gonna live to the end of the avatar franchise Thanks. That's good. Good old

Rocky Top, Rocky Top Tennessee. It's pretty dope. That's such a good dude. I had totally forgot about this shit. And I was just scrolling through Twitter yesterday. Like, my shorthy came home from work and I was just on Twitter and somebody, some dude was like, hey, man, when Area Mixed B had a big tease smoking a cigar, play that shit on the pot. I was like, oh, shit.

I forgot about it. And so I went when the studio and just make that shit. It's so good. I'd forgotten how lucky that last field goal was in that game. Oh, yeah. It was a knuckleball. It was a knuckleball. It was not a good hit.

You still can't tell even slowed down from the video if it got just a tiny bit of a finger on it. I think the Alabama defender did. I would hope so to have that kind of rotation. I mean, that was destined to go in. It was. And if it had not gone in, it would have been like same old Tennessee

and you guys definitely would have lost that game. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. But it didn't. It went in. It was so much closer on the new angles. You see it. It was only like it.

It made it by about six inches. I thought when I was watching the tear, I thought he missed it. Because it was such like a little knuckleball. I was like, oh, that's short. And it went 40. He got enough. Yeah, that's, it was a, he put a lot of, a lot of leg into it.

But seeing it spin that way, it's like that, that kick never goes in. Uh, Aryan, I am, I'm going to be trying out for the XFL. If you have any advice for me in my upcoming tryout, I'm going to be a barefoot kicker. So I'm going to, I'm going to lose the shoe on my right foot. I'm going to tape it up. up and I'm going to see if that helps me at all because I think that damn shoes been getting the way that's been the problem so I don't do you know the rock yeah wait do you actually that was in a movie with him yeah he was in

draft day right no Baywatch oh oh shit wait so I forgot you were in Baywatch I got I got I got a I got a I got a video of him so my God bro I got to because like my mom is obsessed with this nigga though like she'd like love like well in front of her husband be like I don't give a fuck if he walks by I'm trying I'm like that type shit and so I got like she just loves this dude and so I got him to say hide her over over a video message and she fucking melted dog that was probably the coolest thing I've done for my mom she loves that nigga so like yeah I mean you know all these people and none of them have come on the podcast yet Aaron we got to start we got to start making moves I don't like bothering people man because

I know I don't like to be bothered so I don't like to bother other people like fair we'll take it yeah but i mean the rock he does love doing media when he wants to we could get up before rogan gets him that'd be huge i just i don't think he's i don't think he's gonna go on rogan brer i just need him he was about to to promote his tequila but now he's rogan gonna pull a political take out of you and the rock is the most universally loved human on earth and i don't think he wants to lose that standing what's the most problematic thing

you think you pull out of the rock I mean, just, like, figuring out what party he supports. That would be like, he's definitely, he doesn't want to do that. He's absolutely, he's definitely a leftist, but what do you think, like, what is actually? I don't think he's a leftist. I think he's probably like, I think he's probably like, I think he's probably like corporate democracy. Yeah, Hollywood, Hollywood conformist. But like, what if you, what if he found out like, did he hates, like, paper straws that that just like makes headlines?

He's like, yeah. Hollywood, these paper straws suck. And honestly, I don't know if I wanted to be any other way. I don't want to politically infuse rock. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, we got enough. We got enough hot takes, man.

We don't need you. I'm saying. I'm tired of politics in general anyways, man. I've started consciously trying to make more Republican and conservative friends just because I'm tired of this shit. I'm just tired of the shit. Although I think the ideas are shit, you know, let's just be friends, though, you know? Yeah.

Are you in favor of, COVID amnesty? Oh, I thought about sending that in the group chat, but I was like... Say more. What is that? What is that? I'll let Big T take this one. So a woman, I don't know if she works for the Atlantic or that was just like an op-ed

one-off piece, but she said, we need to declare a COVID amnesty and basically anyone that was dead wrong and said extremely terrible things during COVID, you should just be forgiven because it was scary for every. everyone. And she has in the past, she had advocated for a lot of things that basically, like, she advocated for, like, all schools being closed forever that led to horrific, uh, now reading in math, uh, deficiencies for kids everywhere. And she was basically like, it's okay that every, that everyone was, uh, talking a lot of bullshit for a long time because it was scary and we should forgive everyone yeah i mean i don't know about her but i'm i'm over it i mean

i'm down for amnesty anything that anyone did during the pandemic everyone's forgiven no i wouldn't say that i got cheated on during a pandemic fuck that shit um damn yeah fuck that shit but then you absolved but then you absolve yourself of all sin i wasn't sinning during the pen i was literally in the fucking house all day. She wasn't. Big T, I think you should be the bigger T and lead by example in this and say, all is

forgiven, everybody. Let's come together as humanity. Okay, I'll start. PFT, I forgive you for making me getting vaccinated. Oh, I never made Billy get the vaccine. I told Billy that we were going to be doing interviews at a place that required vaccinations. And so if you were going to be, if we

We were going to bring you. No, no, we don't have to say that. And if we were going to bring you into those environments. Amnesty. I forgive you. I just, P.F. I just said, you're not given it. No, I just, forgive us not for.

I just said I forgive you. I just nothing that you're forgiving me for. See, you're not giving the amnesty, man. We're forgiving each other. That should. That should didn't. No, no, boy, you're doing this right now, which is after. Just don't get after the amnesty period.

Amnesty. It's okay. Well, you can't lie when when, when doing the forgiveness. Dude, we're doing the amnesty, bro. You can come on. All right, Billy, I forgive the time that you came on to me during the pandemic and asked if I wanted to sleep over. Exactly. And you tried to buy me lingerie.

See, I forgive you for that. That is what it's about. That is what it's about. Okay. Big T. I forgive you for, never mind. You weren't going to take that well. So I just pulled the cord on that one.

Does anybody else have anything that you want to get off the chest for amnesty? I forgive you for wearing black shoes with white socks. That shit is horrible, but I forgive you. Me? Right now, you're wearing black shoes and white socks. I wear black shoes with white socks every day. Wait, wait. This is it during the pandemic. It is fucking awful, bro.

I can't keep track of all these. Really? I've never heard of this. There's a way to do it. But that ain't it. I think I'm doing it right now. One of the biggest mistakes of my football career. Black shoes, black socks.

Yeah, one of the biggest mistakes in my football career was wearing black shoes, black socks because it made me look so much slower on tape. That was one of the biggest mistakes. That's what made you look slow on tape? That is CAP Washington Cap That is no

No no that is facts That's like known I was already You're just slow I know I wasn't working I wasn't working with much You don't make you look slow You just slow

I know you're not working with much To begin with You need every advantage I was wearing all black uniforms And it made me look even slower than I was Black would make you look faster No all white All white makes you because it blurs

I think all I think black shoes do make you look slower Yeah it's make your feet look Fact Like when Peyton Manning would wear those. He would look extremely slow. Like nobody's ever said you see when like

Devin Hester wore black shoes. Like it made him look so slow. Like no, bro. Like he's just fast so it doesn't look slow. But that is just slow. Peyton Manning's slow as shit. No, but you hear that amongst coaches now in the huddle era where it's like you got to wear white cleats

or you're going to look slow on tape. Just. I don't think like... Those were coaches that were slow. Yeah, I was going to say, I don't think like Chris Johnson would look slow with black. Right, right. That's what I'm saying.

wore black cleats sometimes no bruh I ain't buying it Billy do you have any blogs that weren't posted this week too hot for the blog

yeah I mean it was about Paul Pelosi but we don't have to talk about that oh hey I'm going to find it if you won't yeah let's see what

Billy's stakes were kidding I did actually write anything but something I have actually been looking to you recently is like Marcus Aurelius okay

I've been reading a lot of Marcus Aurelius I have a buddy That's a cat from Rome ain't it Yeah stoicism and honestly like I remember I used to read him a lot in college but I've just like revisited a lot of his quotes and I have a buddy who's going through a tough time right now so I've

been sending him a lot of Marcus Aurelius content and it's actually it's a pretty great stuff like for your for your it really like if you kind of understand we're trying to say I actually pulled up some quotes like it really might change your outlook on life okay so for all of those like know, with people with anxiety, depression, like, just listen to some of these. Like, okay, so here's one. Billy's not a doctor. So this is Marcus Aurelius. You have power over your mind, not outside events.

Realize this and you will find strength. Dwell on the beauty of life. Watch the stars and see yourself running with them. The happiness of your life depends on the quality of your thoughts. Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. everything we see is a perspective not the truth waste no time arguing about

what a good man should be be one I don't know just if you're you know if you're looking for some inspiration just read some Marcus Aurelius it's actually some pretty cool stuff you ever it was definitely wrong about a couple of those yeah I didn't want to like I didn't want

pop this bubble but second to last one platform for the Democratic Party nothing's a fact anything you see is subjective okay that's cute coming from you that's a little cute coming from me but like so but like yeah i mean he's definitely wrong about a couple things but i i can appreciate the sentiment but it's like nothing like instead of thinking nothing matters uh like this is terrible like nothing matters this is amazing because your actions don't like it's like the basis of stoicism

it's something i'm getting into lately yeah i i agree in principle with a lot of those things i also think that if you're if you're saying um like you can control how you perceive things you can control your mind some people take that to the next step and it's like mental illness isn't a real thing just choose to be happy you know right right

but it does help like certain people have a jaded outlook and I think it helps certain people who like have a jaded outlaw yes I would agree with that it helps people with a jaded outlook and people tend to get a jaded outlook after something this is more for situational

it wouldn't help you if you had a chemical imbalance but if you have a jaded outlaw right then it's good like for example if an event happens in your life and it totally alters your you know vision of the world like that this is the kind of stuff that can help you you know sort of get out of some of that jade outlook i like that but i'm not advocating against mental like oh no i know that was that was nice i like the marcus horales our life is what our thoughts make it do you guys think that there's no such thing as a fact like if you you hear somebody say something it's not a fact

no that's ridiculous let me check on that one you're going to fact check that one you can't fact that's the whole point I mean I think it's just unfact checkable I think it's just like not everything is set in stone is what he's trying to say mm-hmm which is a good

sentiment but there are some things that are set in stone if you jump off of a roof you are going to hit the fucking floor now I's a good one so we're going to get into mind control in a little bit I listen to a few podcasts over the last couple days regarding just mindset

and I found some hilarious people some very, very funny people that do think that they can control the world by their thoughts by the power of positive thinking and we can get into that a little bit what? What?

Nothing. What was that? You had the shit eating grin on your face. No, I was just like, never mind. What? That's marketing. I've heard that a lot.

That you can control the world with your thoughts? No, no, you can't. Oh, well, this guy, it's beautiful. This guy thinks that you can, the guy that I'm going to get into later. Word. I actually, do you want me to do a little mind control trick on you guys just to start it off? Yeah. All right. If you know, if you know, if you know what I'm doing, don't spoil it because it's classic. All right, everybody, pick a number from one to 10, any number. 17. Wait, should we say that loud? No. In your brain. All right.

So in your brain. Don't say it out loud. And also it's one through ten. Don't say it out loud. Okay. He did that 17 trick a while back. I'll just, I just cut to the chase.

But all right, let's do it. All right. Multiply it by two. Got you. Add eight to that number. Divide it by two. Wait,

can you go through the steps again? I forgot. Pick a number. Pick a number from one to 10. Okay, I got my number. Multiply it by two. Okay. Add eight to that number.

fuck okay divide it by two wait wait you add eight to the number after you multiply it by two fuck yes so pick a number I got a multi

multiply it by two uh huh add eight okay add eight uh huh okay and then divide that by two okay okay now do you have that number I got that number

okay I got it I put out a calculator subtract your original number from that number got you got it all right so match that number to an alphabet letter for example one is a two is B three is C four is D all right so get that you got that letter

think of a European country that starts with that letter okay take the second letter from that country and think of a hand there's no word i got i got i got a check and i got to check and see if this is in europe wait same i'm following i got it yeah i got avery's there yep so now take the second letter from that country hold on hold on hold on just just relax it it's not it's not a okay yeah it's in europe okay okay okay we get okay okay okay take the second letter from that country and think of an animal. Okay.

Okay. Now think of the color of that animal. Okay. Oh, nigger. Okay. All right. Everyone's got it. Uh-huh.

Yeah. Now, I know what he's going to say. So I have intentionally done something that is not what he's about to say. Uh-huh. So go ahead, Billy. Here, let me text- You rebel you. Hang on.

Let me text the group what he's about. Don't say. Yeah, well, that's the whole fucking point. Don't know. Billy, you've just done a formula. That's all you've done to lead you to a very specific. Before we started the thing, don't spoil it if you know what I'm doing. I didn't know it until you did it.

And then I realized, oh, you're so fucking smart, big T, gray elephant, gray elephant. Who has a gray elephant? Yeah, I don't. Who has a gray elephant? Yeah, I don't. Did you not 50? Wait, hold on, hold on. Finish what we do.

What we do? I got 20. I got 22 ostrich. I did a brown elk. You did a brown elk? Yeah. What colors? What's up with the number?

How'd you get ostrich? What animal? What's the animal in the color of the animal? Ostriches are, I guess, kind of, it depends on the black, they're black ones. What country did you get? Rome? That's not a country. Rome ain't a country.

That's a city. It's Italy. No, no. You said country? I said country. How did it's how did your letter end up being R? Because you were seen you know what I think is one through 10 it's a great it's a great it's a great it's a great it's a great it's a great oh no you didn't say you didn't say pick a number

through alphabet one through 10 but that's he said pick a number one through 10 I did I picked eight but then I did all that shit then he said pick a letter okay wait so then correspond that with the number of the letter it was multiply by two so 16 right gray Elephants from Denmark. That's what I had. Yes. See, so Mad Dog was the only one

who did the math and followed the instructions right. No. I did. And then you said pick a, come on, because you said pick a number

that corresponds, I'm sorry, pick a letter that corresponds with the number. Right. So 1A, 2, B, 3C.

I picked the R. No, no, no. But so your, your number was eight originally? Yeah. So it's eight time two is 16

plus eight is 24, divided by two? Divided by two. is 12 minus your original number is eight which leads you to four which is D no matter what number you do it's going to lead you to four right so that makes it D and then everyone thinks of Denmark then the second letter that is E and most bro hold on he didn't he didn't he didn't say yeah what number corresponded well shit I missed I thought he said yeah pick well it's because he went through a 19 step convoluted thing let him back I'm almost positive that you said pick a letter

I could be wrong, but I heard you say pick. It's okay. I think he said pick the number that corresponds with your... This was an absolute goat fuck. I thought it was... I thought it was... I'm also like a cup and a half in. Okay, okay.

I forgive you. I got there. Yeah, Mad Dog got there. Thank you for following. Black ostrich from Italy. Billy, I think it was fantastic. That was such a throwback, Billy versus Big T. I picked a...

I did a black eel. What? I had a black eel. Oh, from where? From Denmark. because that's the only country. I mean, good for you for thinking a different animal with an E. But the thing is, so basically the concept of that is the mind control is manipulating you into choose the quickest thing that comes to your mind by making a succession of stuff that makes you choose stuff quickly.

And then it actually traps you into Denmark. Then you choose elephant. Elephants are gray. Does that mean I'm mentally weak? No. A little bit. That just means, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Oh, no.

What is your assumption, but no. Is there any other countries in Europe that start with a D? I don't think so. Is Dagestan? Is Dagestan? Is it in, it's in Asia? I think it's a part of Russia. That was my original guest, but then I was like, I don't think that's in Europe.

I think that's in Russia. I don't think there's any other D. Deutsche Lund was my other thing, but no. Which also leads you to E. Yeah. It's true. Yeah. Huh.

So, yeah. Good trick. Billy. I'm really good at following the instructions. It wasn't a good trick because it got sniffed out. No, because you probably know what it is. I did not know. Once you got to the 12th step of your thing, I was like, let's see what. You're so smart, Big T, you knew the trick. I did not know it until you did it.

Spoiled it for the listeners. Well, no, I just, I saw through your mind control. It wasn't my, okay, you're, you know, you're a free thinker, Big T. Billy, wait. That's true. Do you have any other tricks? If he applied this, a much critical thinking to his political point of you, we'd be home. We'd be right here, my brother.

We would be right here. All right. So pick a three digit number with the same number, like 222-9-9-33. Angel number. So, yeah. What's angel number? Three digits. I'll get you to that later.

Okay. Wait, hold on. Hold on. Okay. I got a focus. Okay. I'm going to text. I'm going to text some instructions.

Okay. Just say it. Do you understand we're on a podcast? Okay. Yeah. Well, to you guys so you can get it. Pick a three-digit number. Okay.

With the same number. same number. Yeah. So like 1-1-21-22-3-33, so. Got it, got it, got it. Are you sure? Like 111, 222, or 333? Got it.

Yeah. Got it. So then add the digits of those numbers and then divide the original number by the sum of those digits. Now, don't say your answer. You can put it into a calculator. So you add those three digits together So add the three digits So add like if it's 22

2 plus 2 plus 2. Okay That would be 6. Right. And then you would divide 222 by 6. No No matter what number you pick it Up in 37.

Divide the original number by the sum of the digits. Okay. So divide the original number. So divide 222. Now everyone's got different numbers. But now we're all. all at 37 because they all equal

I told you not to fucking spoil it wait I'm not at 37 what then you didn't do it right but they all equal 37 so continue go to the next step wait wait hold on hold on now that we're all at 37 that's a mega mega mega mine big T I'm not there bro

what number did you pick so just trying to wait that's the end of the trick okay I pick hold on that's the end of trick so I thought it would be fun for the listeners at home to have that second where it's like oh Oh, fuck. Like, they come to the, get out your feelings. I'm still here what you're here.

Hey, get out your feefees, bro. What number do you pick? So I was trying to do something nice for the listeners. You divide that by what? 21 because it's 7 plus 7 plus 7 plus 7. Oh, that will equal 37. Yes. That's, okay.

As well, 111, 2002, 32, 33. So hopefully the listeners at home who were robbed of the experience of then learning that while they come to it. You know what? These are fucking party pooper. Big T's a Grinch. You're a little bit of a grudge. Come up with better things that are actually not easy to dispel. Just, you know, some things are nice.

Okay, Santa doesn't real. Your Jesus never existed. Santa doesn't real. That's untrue regardless of what you think of divinity. See? That's what I say. If he put that much critical thought to everything else he believed, we would be right there. I mean, what he said is just wrong.

It's not wrong. I mean, you think bigas walk on water. Well, no, I said regardless of what you think of his divinity, there was a dude named Jesus who lived in Nazareth. Some things are fun. Says who? Uh, historical record. Which is maybe?

Not only. Roman? Roman. Is there Roman historical records of an execution? There are many, there are atheists who have studied everyone. There is no debate that there was a guy named Jesus who. Yeah, of course. There is definitely a debate.

Not a serious one. Wait, wait, wait, no, no. Big T. That's like saying there's a guy in Ireland named Patrick. Jesus was a very traditional Jewish. name. It's very well documented. Anyway, okay, do your next mind trick. It is not very well documented. It is loosely documented. Yeah. And we can kind of agree that there was probably a dude that did some cool shit. There's an Irish dude. It didn't walk on water. There's an Irish dude in Ireland

called Patrick. We know that for a fact. I love how Billy has gotten so triggered by Big T's spoiling his magic tricks that he's talked to himself into hell. I'm not broken. He's talked his way into heresy. I'm not broken. You need to read some Mark Serralius and have some fun. That's a fact. Big T, you do, that's your homework. You have to, he's two steps. You have to read some Marcus Aurellis and then step two. You have to have some fun.

Okay, I'm for sure going to do that. How's your basketball team doing? Big T didn't show up. Oh, I thought I was going to, I thought this was going to be like a fun thing. I had obloos. Bring us together with. I heard some things in a meeting today about the basketball team. From, yeah, what do they have to say?

someone who I am closely attached to at work is on this basketball team and said that he carries it well he also didn't show up he said he's not showing up unless it's getting filmed from now on well bad teammate this is just a simple question I have for you guys and there's no wrong answers in fact honesty is encouraged I never got an invitation to show up to any of these basketball games

because you don't live in Hoboken and yeah neither do I yeah that's interesting Big T doesn't have a Hoboken either but you wanted to play on it

I was asked if I would play on it I was like yeah sounds like well I was in charge of inviting people oh you were I wasn't oh who was actually Big T I got one more trick for you

and you're going to do this one with me okay Billy you just didn't answer the question all right wait here you go I think he's focused, man. I think he's focused. All right.

Put? That's awesome. Here's a little trick. You can't, Big T's brain is impregnable. I'm about to break Big T's brain. Wow. All right. Big T.

asking about mail-in votes. Yeah. Big T. I'm not going to look. There's been one person in this studio today who is, who has voiced concern over mail-in ballots in this upcoming election. one may confirm actually let me look

about it anyway let's just get to season marlon and season no you said you were gonna break my brain well let me

I need just just look something up yeah yeah don't sleep on this don't sleep on this no yeah don't sleep on this trick because just give me a second

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This is a new segment. Billy breaks Big T's brain. Over two so far. A battle of the titans. It wasn't trying to break your brain. I was trying to do a nice exercise. Let's get this one. 333 gets you into the Hall of Fame.

All right, here. Here's a ball of paper. All right. This is what you're going to do. I'm not going to look. You're going to put the ball of paper in one of your hands. I'm really not going to look. Is he just giving himself a 50-50 shot of guessing something?

Is that what this trick is to break my brain? Because I think he had to look it up online. I don't think that he would lock that up. So I'm not looking. I can confirm Billy's not looking I'm not looking Put it in one of your In one of your fists

Mm-hmm Squeeze your fist And hold it above your head Both of them Are just the one that has the paper in it Just the one that you have the paper in He's not looking I'm not looking

Squeeze it tight Squeeze it well Are you squeezing it well Are you squeezing it well I'm squeezing it pretty well All right. Now I want you to take the piece of paper

and drop it. Now, display your hands to me. Palms up. I mean, this isn't, this is just stupid. This is mind trick. And you still got it wrong. It was literally just him taking a 50-50 shot at something and still got it wrong.

It wasn't. Was he actually holding it above his head? Yes, I have to be uproof. He was looking for like white in your knuckles or something. The trick is... It's not mind-control. I squeezed both fists equally as hard. You're not supposed to squeeze both fists.

That's what I said one fist. Fuck tired. Also, you were looking at the, first of all, the hand that had the paper in it has like a little layer of film on it that you should have been looking for. This is stupid. Wait, Billy, did you tell him not to squeeze the other fist? Yes, I told him to squeeze one fist. I know you told him to squeeze the fist that has it, but I don't know if you said just squeeze one fist.

Also, you were looking at the palms so that wouldn't have meant anything anyway. Because one palm is supposed to be white. It was from this movie called The Illusionist that I remember. Okay, look, I am squeezing this as hard as humanly possible not moving this hand. They're still the same. No, it's not. Well, yeah, immediately after. So you were just looking for, I mean, this is.

That's the trick. You took a 50-50 shot. Oh, sorry, Big T. Magic doesn't exist. And it's all tricks and illusions that's supposed to be kind of cool. If you get the next one, 250 ain't bad. Hey, you know what, P.F, I mean, Big T, if you can do one and try to create something cool for people, then go for it. Do you have any more, Billy?

I prepared a couple and Big T has ruined all of them. So let's move on to like some historical examples of mind control. I don't like that. I don't like that. Oh, Arian, you missed it. I did. It was pretty funny. You didn't listen to it later.

he's 0 for 3 Big T T just is Bah humbug Big T Ah man Well I don't know what to say At this point

It seems like You guys are at each other's throat I'm not It's just I'm not at anyone's throat It's just like if you're trying It's called illusionism It's kind of cool

And like there's like Like fun things that like Once you see the trick And then see how it works I'm hoping you have one that can like Get me That's I would love that This is actually interesting

because it's actually interesting because Big D is obviously not keen on being duped i'm i'm curious his appeal to like a lot of his subscriptions in life like for instance the bible why do you think that is real as opposed to a fictional book i think the world is far too organized to have happened by chance then explain testicles i was actually thinking about this on the way here by divine design baby why would testicles be outside of the body if getting hit hurts them babies i don't i don't know billy that's not i have an answer for that because they need to be kept cool yeah because then why then why didn't they just create testicles that could temperature regulate while being protected yeah i don't know it's well how does that so god divine design i don't know but so so so

This is interesting. Like I'm not really saying there is or isn't. I'm just interested in into your logic, right? Because a lot of the things that you're not falling for is exactly what like is written in the Bible. Like there's no logic. I disagree with that. Okay. Give me something logical in the Bible that is miraculous.

That's logical. I mean, those are inherently, a miracle is inherently illogical. Agreed. So why would you subscribe to? to something that is illogical. It is equally illogical to me that there is a God who has created the universe as that it exploded out of nothing.

Put, that's not the claim, but let's put God on the shelf for a second, okay? We're not talking about God. We're talking about miracles because what you said was miracles are by nature illogical, right? But yet you purport them to be true. I think if you believe

that there's a God who created the entire universe, they're being a guy who came to Earth and did miraculous things is not a far leap from that. But it is. I don't think so. Okay, so why is that any... I'll explain. I'll explain. I'll explain.

So what you're saying is you shelf your reasoning when it comes to believing that there's a higher power. no you just but i think i believe that because of reasoning what well it's it's irrational like there's no there's no reasoning behind miracles your your reasoning is because there has to be a god therefore he produces miracles right no not necessarily i think it's that if if there is a god then you have already

you already believe something that is it takes no further leap to then believe that Jesus was the son of God who came to earth and did the things that are in the Bible that's not true it takes it definitely I mean one third of the world doesn't believe that it definitely takes a leap I'm not saying everyone

believes it yes I'm saying but once you already if if you believe that God is omnipotent and all knowing and created the universe then it makes no less sense that Jesus is the son of God who came to earth and lived his life. Well, that's, I mean, that's actually my point, though, which is actually what's interesting to me, is that an otherwise rational human being suspends that rationality and cloaks it in rationality and says it's rational, but can't see or refuses to see outside of the realm of their

perspective and seeing how irrational it is because it is a belief system. Does that make sense? I think what you call irrational, I would say that the universe exploding out of a single point of nothing for no reason at some point is equally irrational. Okay, well, let's disagree. You don't know the Big Bank theory and move on from that point. Cool? No. Okay, well, explain it to me I mean, see, this is no, dude. So, okay. So then why not just admit

that you don't know what it is? I don't understand. I know what it is. I don't know every infricacy. I didn't study it. Well, that's the problem. I'm not. Why?

Why cast away a belief in a set of facts is what it is? Why cast that away when you haven't even dealt into an invitation? Okay. I will humor you. The Big Bang Theory edits. at its basic tenets is that all the energy in the universe exploded out of a single point at some point however many trillions of years ago or whatever for we don't know why we don't know how necessarily but it all just and then the universe appeared i think that's no so no it's not

so this is what i'm saying so if if you ever decide to look into it right um it's a lot more detailed in that? Yes, correct. And the rationality behind it actually follows. Like, there's evidence behind it. And this is why like, listen, I'm not even saying there is or isn't it God, right? I'm definitely an atheist, but that's like a lack of belief, not necessarily an assertion

that there isn't one, right? It's a very different but what I'm interested in is when Billy was trying to mind fuck you, you have certain standards in which you're not going.

But when it comes to believe, you don't have those same set of standards. You say, well, if you believe in a God, right, this, this, this, this, this, and has to follow. Like, this is not an interrogation. I'm just genuinely curious upon the rationale in which you base it on because it doesn't necessarily follow your line of reasoning for anything else. I mean, it's not just you. The best way I can explain it is that while I do. do think it is equally, if not more rational, that there is a God who created the universe as it exploded out of nothing, that, yeah, there is an element of, I mean, Jesus

said, you need to, it, it requires faith. Got you. It's not, you have, that's why, if it was cut and dry, then. It's always saying to say, uh, your arms are too short to box with God. And like, once people invoke that. Like once people invoke, well, there's an element of faith involved, then there's literally nothing I can say that. It's not invoking any.

That's what the Bible says. You either believe it or you don't. That's what I'm saying. You're invoking that as like almost a Trump card and saying. No, no, I'm doing my best to answer your question. I got, I got, I got, I got it. What you're doing it is you're using it as a placeholder in your otherwise rational line of thinking. And you're placing that there and saying this is good enough.

and where in any other aspect of your life you would question it but in this specific aspect at a juncture in your life it's good enough for you to not dig any deeper I don't agree with that I agree you don't agree but it's what's happening

okay I think I have a trick for big tea okay shoot man all right this is what I do wait to do to perform this trick first of all you have to come to a mass service every Sunday for the next 30 years and then you have to read this book and we have to talk about this book every day

that's what Aryan's saying is how you brainwash Big Tea Hang on hang on I want to go back to one more thing You have to then tell me Since you're the scientist Tell me what the Big Bang is I'm definitely not a scientist Well you seem to

You always want to put it on on other people So tell me what the Big Bang No no I don't I don't always put it on people what i do is i ask you if you know something and you tell me yes and i think i did a fairly a decent job of explaining the basic but you don't what you do is you um you minimize it's impactfulness and you minimize that you know you minimize not only do we know that's what happened we know like to a certain degree like that's what happened and there's so much stuff that has come because we know that's what happened so it's not like

it just exploded out of nothing. Like, there's no such thing as nothing. Nice. So, so let's... A couple things, just a couple of things. First of all, I don't, uh, the Big Bang actually sounds like what would happen if the way Genesis describes the origins of the universe did occur.

Yeah, or if I invited all your moms over to my house. But, but quit, quit laughing. I don't, I don't like the, the disrespectful way you're talking to mirroring out. Secondly, uh, then what was before the Big Bang? I'm out. I didn't like it. I didn't like the disrespectful way you were talking about my magic tricks. Wait, Billy.

Your tricks suck. You're not, let, let, let, let, let Aaron and Big T have this conversation. All right. So, no, you're good. So I was, I was, I was, I wasn't laughing at you. I was, I was laughing. What you said was funny. So, like, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no disrespect, but.

Well, well, let's put aside what you believe or don't believe. Let's say for a second that, that, that everything the Bible's true and that God uttered the phrase, let there be light. Let's just say that happened. Does the Big Bang not sound like something that could happen in the physical world if that's what happened? Well, I think, no. And because the reason as to why is because what the Bible does a very good job of is it leaves a lot of wiggle room, right? And that's the exact opposite of what we know science to be. be and I'm not I'm really not juxtaposing them against each other and I love that word but there is a certain um there's a certain viability we have with science right there's that we

we grow from it we get things out of it the Bible is is so subjective that there's nothing really to be learned from it other than like cultural things that we may or may have not developed on her own. Does that make sense? And so when you say, does the Big Bang, doesn't that sound like, no, it doesn't. Why not? Um, uh, because it's, it's so vague. And also, there's so many scientific inaccuracies in the Bible, right? Like, so in Revelations, it says the stars will fall out of the sky. Like, that can't be the case because we know what stars are and there's no such thing as them falling out of the sky. Um, there's, there's, There's, there's plenty. I mean, there's hundreds of scientific inaccuracies in the Bible. And, and so what most, uh, people who believe in the Bible as to be the 100% word of God, what they do is, they'll say, oh, well, that was just an analogy or that was just an allegory.

But you're not, you're not doing what we agreed upon, though. I said, let's, let's say everything in the Bible's true. Okay. Then, so God says, let there be light. at the beginning of the universe, Big Bang happens. Why doesn't that make sense? How? Let me read the verse really quick. It's been a minute since I'm looking to see it. God said let there be light and there was light.

And God saw the light was good. I don't know what the good light has to do with anything. They separated the light from darkness. That doesn't make any sense. Then he separated the light from darkness. Light inherently is separate from dark. God called the light day and the darkness night. And that, see, that in the self is inaccurate.

Like, there is no day and night other than the rotation in how the earth spins. If the Bible was like, earth is tilted and it spins on an axis, and that's what creates the seasons and the rotation is why we have night and day. It's the illusion of night and day. There really isn't a night and day. It's just you're facing the sun or not facing the sun. That would be impressive and I would take it more seriously. But this sounds like it's written from people who understand the world from the knowledge that they have.

Does that make sense? Yeah, I don't disagree with you that if the Bible had every fact ever that that, that it would be pretty easy to to listen to it. Well, it's not, it's not every fact ever. It's like there's certain things that are inaccurate. Like, it's not, it's just not accurate. Like, it doesn't specifically say

that the moon doesn't bear its own light, that it's just a reflection of the suns. Like, if it said that in 2000, early 2000 BCs, like, that's impressive. And that would make me, it would bring me more, it would bring it more credibility in being accurate and written by somebody who had knowledge outside of the times. But there's nothing in this work or any of the other works, religious texts, that say you had knowledge outside of the realm of the space in which

you occupied, which was, you know, our societal understanding of the universe. I think that this whole thing just boils down to in talking about the creation of the universe. You get you think they're they're inherently at odds and they can't exist with each other where and then the the the Bible and like science yeah not true okay why not I feel like everything you've said would would indicate that but no I think there are there are things in the Bible that are useful um but I think there are inaccuracies that definitely conflict with our understanding of the new natural world. But what I was going to say is eventually you get back to a point where I'm like, how did this happen?

You're like, I don't know, just happened. And when I get to the same point, I'm like, I think it makes more sense that God created it rather than it just happened and we don't know. So how does that make more sense to you? It just does. Is it possible that you have been given an explanation and that you're okay with that explanation because i don't i don't say somebody told you that there's a god you didn't you didn't discover that on your own uh sure but i i i think you know me well enough to know that i don't just

go along with with what i'm told generally i don't think that's the case but not disrespectfully what i mean by that is culturally right we live in a majority majority majority christian society right. If you were born in the Middle East, I would say the probability of you be a Muslim would be high, right? And so we're we're kind of victims of our environment. And so when I say somebody told you there was a God, you were born in the South. And so it was kind of just known. And that's what the culture has been for a very long time. And so it's not it's not necessarily a slight. I think that, you accept it because it has been pushed on you since you were a kid and as kids were very vulnerable and susceptible to a lot of things and as adults there are still grown adults that will believe in this and justify it and have their evidences and what's a um uh and that's okay i'm not saying like i said this is not a i'm not trying to shit on anybody's belief. I don't think your reasoning is incorrect, but I think your conclusion is incorrect. I don't

think they're mutually inclusive. Also, I went through a point in my life where I didn't go to church. I wouldn't have said I was a Christian. And then I decided for myself later in life that I do think that's true. Let me ask you this. Let me ask you this. Why do you think you settled on Jesus as the son of God and as the, I mean, the Holy Trinity is confusing in itself, but, uh, and, and you didn't settle on Islam and Allah or you didn't settle on Judaism or Hinduism. Like what, what do you think is the reasoning for you to settle on Christianity? Again, I don't think you're incorrect in saying, yeah, if you're born in Iran, the likelihood of you being a Christian is far lower. But I don't think that's necessarily, that doesn't make it untrue.

No, I mean, I agree. It doesn't make it untrue. What I would, I guess what made it interesting when Billy was on your bumper about his mind tricks was you're not an unreasonable human being. and but but and most religious people are not unreasonable human beings but what I've found throughout my journey is that when it comes to certain things um they kind of posit it as reasonable like well there can be nothing else therefore god um that can also be anything right so it's like it's jesus to you it's Allah to somebody else it's Krishna to somebody else it's And so reasoning through it doesn't make much sense for you to settle on that conclusion other than the litany of influence that has been around you.

Well, just the last thing I'll say on this, I think you know me pretty well. And what you said about like Billy's thing, like I feel like that would indicate to me it's actually more likely that I reason through things and think about them a lot but just the final thing I'll say I find there being a god that created the universe

and it happening randomly equally unlikely at a point 0-0-0-0-0-0 continue on for infinity one chance so and I choose to believe the latter I find them both incredibly unlikely and that the universe that we occupy

is so incredibly organized and everything that we know about living on earth happened so perfectly for it to even happen ever that I don't think it happened randomly. I hear you. Have you ever, and this is like, I mean, it's getting kind of long winded,

but um have you ever given any serious thought to they're not being a supreme being absolutely all the time and and what what swayed you from that logic i think it's what i just said so you're saying the the uh everything's organized okay so like so when you say organized you mean um what what do you mean about organized how the universe uh is that the earth is the precise distance from the sun that you can get warmth from it but you won't die that there is life at all like everything is just it it doesn't make sense

that it just occurred out of nothingness at some point somewhere. Again, look into the Big Bang theory, but if, okay, how about this? Like, do you agree with the fact or disagree with the fact that at one point the sun will engulfed, Earth?

I think so. Definitely will. And so if you look at the vast historicity of our solar system, we believe that Mars had liquid water on it, right? And there may have been life on there, and it got too hot. And likely that is the Earth's fate. do you do you think that instead of life having to be perfect or have you ever thought I don't know if you think have you ever thought that instead of all these circumstances

had to be perfect rather than it's like it's like water forming in a puddle right water forms in a puddle perfectly to fill it up or the circumstances that have just so happened to have to be in that you know with gravity and water it fills the puddle perfectly yeah but i don't think the the two things you're equating are equatable just to butt in what arian is talking about that idea of all these situations that happen and occur is the reason why it happened as opposed to the puddle filled the water by happenstance right so your idea is that because of these conditions it occurred. I sort of believe that that can also be described with the reason that those conditions

occurred is because of some reason or some maybe even force or being. That could be the case. That's sort of my theory on the whole thing. Yeah, no, I don't disagree that that could be the case. And so it would be like, you know, the snowball on the top of a hill. right if something pushed it right right meaning the start of this whole thing if something pushed it to get to the point where it's at now um we have yet to find evidence of that other than like anecdotal or uh just feeling right and so what what i say is like like i said i used to be like

there is no god i just i don't know it it's an arrogant position to take and i think likewise the antithesis of that which is there is I believe it's an also arrogant position to take but I don't knock it like get through life how you get through life but my position now is if if it does take I mean I mean it took if it took something to push that life along like I said we haven't found the catalyst right I'm okay with not finding the catalyst right or I'm sorry I'm okay with the search for finding the catalyst but I don't think an assertion of what the catalyst was does this any good other than make you feel better and if that is the case that actually I'm all for it okay religion has always been used as a way to explain the current unexplainable and if we're at the point where there is still an unexplainable I think there might be a case of religion I don't know logically that that necessarily holds up well it's like the arrow the arrow hitting its target yeah I think that um I'm not smart enough to know and I don't think I'll ever be smart enough to know

and even if I do think that I know I'll think to myself in the back of my head that I'm not certain about it so you know what I've decided just along for the ride baby I'm okay with that stoicism just just buckle up and enjoy it's just stoicism no so it's soicism no so So buckle up, have a good time, be nice to people, do one to others, that whole thing. Yeah. And maybe become a Scientologist. Should I still do the trick? Let's just move on.

No, I want one more trick. You want one more trick. You want one more trick. You guys pick an object in the room and then I'm going to go pee while you guys choose it and we'll figure it out. It's not going to think of that long. I've got my object. I mean, I guess I should take a little more time because he's there. As a group, you got to convene and pick one object for everybody.

oh okay okay okay okay okay let me know when he leaves the room let me know when he leaves the room let me know when he's gone okay so here's what I think that we should do because um just that he can't hear us arian you pick you pick an object oh smart that's in this room okay okay okay I'm thinking this window okay okay okay okay which one there's there's a couple there's there's two window okay the one to your right shoulder okay or is that too is that an object

what's like the most obscure thing in here we could pick one of the bobble heads back there well no I okay okay okay is this a Jesus candle behind you is this Jesus candle no it's Josh Allen

the windows oh the windows in this room but it's also a barrier to not being that's kind of why because he's gonna probably think he's gonna flip shit

you think he'll get mad because a window is definitely in this room do you think he'll get mad Have you been here? What about like the Wisconsin hat on the top right? That is in the room. It's behind them too.

It's too simple, though. The window is an object. I mean, yeah. And it's so not, it's inconspicuous because there's so many things in there. Could the object be Billy? Because what about one? You know, I like that.

I like that. What about one of the things? One of the things in your. a pile behind you. I like the idea of picking Billy. I like that idea too. Okay. Billy's the object.

It's going to be good. I'm going to take some Lionsmane mushroom before Billy gets back in. I had a cup of coffee actually over the weekend. You know, they sell like coffee that's in Whole Foods that has Lionsmane and reusing mushrooms and stuff in it. That's like a new thing.

It's like $13 a cup of coffee. Mushrooms. I love Lionsman in your coffee. I like to, Lions Maine, like you guys think that Jake Plummer's stuff. My P placebo, I think it's... I take it. Okay, so...

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Why did you pick Big Tee? It's interesting. Because he's going to try to fuck it up. In Mad Dog. So only someone that will fall for your tricks. Oh yeah, she fell for the first one. interrupts that's fine I'm not let her go

so it's mad dog you have to you're going to name a string of 10 objects in the room okay any 10 objects in the room one of them has to be the object you chose okay

okay yep go is shit um okay the red football helmet okay

the champagne bottle okay okay PFT's backpack okay wait which backpack okay okay um the game time ticket booth okay um this is fun the power ball or the lottery machine The Berman picture Okay Um This Okay You

You You got to make it an object You're an object We're all objects Okay Okay Um Um

Just pick me pick pick the rest of us too okay PFT Avery that's 10 that studio is kind of messy too by the way yeah okay

okay so oh you took a little exception to that no it says more about you that you're judging the studio okay so Einstein had a very messy desk so that nigga was figuring out important shit

yeah like like how to hit on his cousin. Okay, so you guys picked me. And he did that shit. Whoa. Yeah. Good job, Billy. You guys picked me.

Explain that shit, Big T. Well, you're wrong. Whoa. What? Yeah, you got it wrong again. No, Big T's fucking with you. It was Billy. No, but see.

Wait, wait. I didn't like, no, it's not. Yeah, it was Billy. No, it wasn't. Yeah. It was the winner. No. No, did you not hear the last after that conversation?

No, we changed the billy. What? Oh, well, then that was shitty on everyone's part, including you saying, oh, just throw us in there. We'll be to make it to take 30% away. No, I was trying to put the bill is mine. I regret letting y'all do this. Do you want to do it again?

Yes, yes. No, yeah, we got to do it again because. Actually, actually do. Yes. Okay. You got to leave, though. Okay. Get out.

I was gone the whole time. Avery, well, you go with him to make sure he leaves far. Yes. But text me individually what it is. Okay. We can't like You can't like stutter when you're picking stuff Have stuff in mind

Yes I think his trick that time was He took the seventh one I think that's what it was I'm gonna say it first Either that Wait either that or he Billy left his phone in here

Wait wait we gotta make sure if it's on Hold on It's probably listening to us Oh It's probably recording this right now I think Billy just cheated But I mean he couldn't play He couldn't play the recording

Without us hearing it I actually think that Okay I think it was the seventh one I think that's what the trick was All right so we're gonna go So wait wait Okay Big T you decide

Um Good awesome hat dog headphones Yours What do you want to do Yes but only say one person Because if I said like my headphones And your headphones

He knows it's one of those And it just has a 50-50 shot Okay. So my headphones, camera, cooler. Wait, so what are we picking? Big T's headphones. Okay. We've been taking Big T's headphones.

Hang on, hang on, let me make a list. Let me make a list. This is like ASMR. Yeah, it is. Hang on. I got really into ASMR recently. Do some ASMR for the people my dog. Okay.

Okay. Hello. Actually, I'm changing it. I'm changing it. To what? No. No. No.

Wait, why are you changing it? I'm changing it. To what? The part of my cheese steak sign. Okay, good call. Because it seems like something big enough that you look at just to make a random but it's not.

Cheesesteak sign. My headphones. PFT's headphones so that he thinks it's one of those. The Leroy Memorial. Avery's camera. fill my damn wine all right

all right hang on hang on hang on we're talking quietly we're coming up with a list of the things we're going to say the thing okay what's the

what's the one we actually it's a sign that you can't see it says pardon my cheese steak that's what it is okay um pardon my flakes

that's one two three five six seven the number 69 ball in the lottery machine yes 69 what about this Coach O poster

Yeah Okay Hold on Hold on Hold on Yeah we're good No give us one second And

Okay we got it All right Big Tages don't Don't have it Be the seventh thing Okay Do it first All right

Avery we're good Avery I can go get him Yeah go get him Yeah go get him Wait Billy's computer Just made a honking sound Interesting

Hmm He's not connected. It went away. Okay. All right, we're good. I mean, let's just, let's be honest here. The fact that Billy got the first time is impressive.

I want to know how you got it, honestly. I think I know. I think I'll guess after he gets this one wrong. No, but we told him, he knows. Do you want to know? We told the listening audience. Yeah, I want to know. All of you have to know.

Hang on. Okay. We know. I know exactly what it is. But Avery doesn't know. So text. Big T. I'm texting him. I know exactly what it is. All right. You ready, Billy? Yep. All right. That wool light can over there?

Wait, wait, no. I didn't choose you. No, it's me. It's me. I have to choose. No, you don't choose. The wool light can. The part of my cheese steak sign. Big Tee, Big Tee, Big Tee. My headphones. PFT. Billy, you can do it or not. Do you, Big T, this. I'm the only one. No, it's me.

I guess. I guess a magician. never reveals his tricks. Let's move on. Oh, so when it's someone who he can't get it, he doesn't do it. You should have just taken a guess and seen if you could have gotten it right, other than admitting that your tricks are faulty. Does everybody know? Yes. Yes.

Yes. We know exactly. Yeah, I'm going to choose. No, no. You know, honestly, I think all of you are. So Avery was like watching me the whole time. I'm going to choose Avery because I think you guys are up to something. Because how would he know? What if we're trying to mind people do?

Meaning you can't do your bullshit? No, just like, for the sake of, for the sake of it, let's just go. All right. Okay, do your, it doesn't count, but go for it, sure. Okay, sure. Well, like, let's go with Avery. All right, every. Want me to do it?

Yeah, yeah. All right. Wait, hold on. I thought you was outside. Chris, how would you know? Well, Big T texting me. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Okay. The game time sign, the basketball, the picture. Don't cut that up. Yeah. Oh, yeah, picture of Coach O, the SpongeBob statue, the barbell, the pardon my cheesesteak sign, the helmet. The pardon my cheesecake sign beside, behind you? Right behind me. Okay.

The helmet, the poster of the dude from, what's the name of it? Oh, yeah. Tiger King, the Skorogami shirt, and the kids. camera next to big t i think that's 10 i'm gonna go pardon my cheese steak sign billy's magic though wait no it's they both followed the same formula and done it not okay you wouldn't have gotten it if it it was me and you know that that's why you refuse to do it i love it you know what you know it no we're not doing it again i'm i mean i'm okay with one with that

I was one more tap too much. And I'm doing it. You're doing it? If you do it one more time, I'm doing it. No, we're not doing it. Okay. So let's move on. Why are you saying big tea, Billy?

I mean, you've already, you've dazzled us so far. Like, that's incredible. We'll do it with big tea. It's a mind trick. We'll do it with big tea. Why won't you do with big tea? Okay, we'll do it. We'll do it with big tea.

All right. All right. All right. You got to step outside. I'll go watch them again. All right. I'm actually hella curious. This is the most fun I've had in so long.

This is pretty good. I'm actually pretty curious. All right, here's what we're going to do. We're just going to, I have a list ready of 10 to just rattle off so that he can't do, because that's the, anyway, we're just going to replace the part of my cheese steak sign with something. So pick what you want. Wait, whoa, whoa, what? Big T has the list. I have a list of 10 things written down that I'm just going to.

to rattle through and so that he can't see looking around and all that shit. But I'm going to make it look like I'm actually looking around. So, but hold on. It's going to be the same list. You're just going to switch the part of my cheesecake, Joe? No, no, no, but he didn't read my list. He didn't read my list. Oh, okay. So the same list we did. Okay. I think it should be, um, let's have to do the spaceship, the spaceship on the macrodose inside. I was going to do the hockey glove back there because it's directly in my line of vision. That's fine. Okay. all right so you have a list yeah are you ready yeah okay i'll text avery this is hilarious you know if he gets this shit it's going to be so funny dog i i wonder

what his tricks are i don't know they both set it on the seventh one and avery it was behind i thought avery did six i might be wrong whatever it was but he didn't look behind him it was like he already knew that it was there so that was bad uh positioning i I know what his trick is. What is it? I'm not revealing it. Do you? He's listening?

Nope. I'm not revealing it. Ready? Yeah. Got it. I texted. I texted Avery. I'm good.

Yeah, that's the whole, that's the, it's not going to lie. It would make me look stupid if I didn't say and then say, oh, something I didn't say. Okay, okay. That's all I ask. All right. You ready? Mm-hmm. All right.

Ten objects. Ten. Ten. Okay. That chair. Okay. That can of woolite. That hockey glove.

My headphones. Mm-hmm. PFT's headphones. The Leroy Memorial, RIP, good boy. That camera that's pointing at Avery. Okay. The box of Pardon My Flakes. Wait, which one?

It's behind PFT. Point to the exact box. That box of Pardon My Flakes. It's on the game time ticket. Okay, yeah, I see it. The number 69 lotto ball. Can you see it? Yeah.

I can see it right now. Yes. Yeah, it's there. Where is it? Big T just pointed at the lottery machine. Oh, that's, it's, uh... Can you see it? It's 99, but whatever.

That lotto. ball uh the poster of coach oh okay and i think that's 10 okay are you sure it's not and count pretty sure yeah okay i'll trust you if not the that guitar case back there and you know it's not that one now okay okay fuck fuck fuck fuck if billy gets this right i'm gonna scream okay okay wait wait look at tea look me in my eyes I'm looking. Okay, wait, wait. You will look upon my face tonight.

Whoa. That's season one, season one Game of Thrones, great scene. Look me in the eyes. Look me in the eyes. Look me in the eyes and hear my voice through your headphones. I hear you, baby. Black hockey glove. Oh, my God.

Billy got it. He's listening. No, I watched him We were all the way down the hallway You should have You should have led with that Instead of your other bullshit And stopped while you were head

I actually don't which which one did you I wasn't there from when y'all picked it The hockey glove Oh fuck you got it? Yeah I think All right so a couple options Could be possible here One

He's got them all inside this room right now He for sure does That's one option Then explain the How did I do it the first time then you might have them all inside this room that's number one number two

there's a possibility that you have some of your electronics that are capturing what we're saying I left my phone in here I want to check his phone I left my phone in here the whole time recording us

how would I record I was look like I want to check Madeline's text Mad Dog what's that look mad dog I'm I don't like want to

you can look at my text are you cheating mad dog I'm not cheating I feel like that's a hip a violation so check her fucking text I was born at night but it wasn't last night so this is this is what you call

this is what you call this type of mind control is called social proof and peer pressure the manipulation of the mind is sometimes not done by an individual but by multiple individuals those who attempt to

manipulate large groups of people typically use social proof and peer pressure to brainwash newcomers. Social proof is a psychological phenomenon where some people assume that the actions and beliefs of others are appropriate and because everyone does that must be justified. This works

especially well when an individual isn't sure what to think. So Mad Dog and I had a code coming into this. So you admitted you just cheated. Well everything's everything's a cheat. Everything's like And Mad Dog wasn't lying when she said, I know how he's doing it.

Also, can I say something? He only and I, he and I only worked together on the first round. The other two rounds, I don't know what the fuck he did. Yeah. Well, that's not true. No, no, the other Mad Dog and I. You can look at my texts for that. Yeah.

But he said, he said you had a code. It's not in your text. Also, you would have also said that. You would have said we did it the first time, but the second two, I just got it. No, because the code, I didn't do it. The code, once you let people in on it. So the code, this is what happened. And that got a little lucky.

Mad Dog and I, I center the exercise. The exercise is, is that you need to have an accomplice. And you choose that accomplice first. Which I sniffed out immediately. Right. But you were still, like the whole premise of it is that that happens. And the code was, is that after what, before whatever object, they had to pick a black object. Whoa.

Okay. Raised. Seems that way. No, that's, uh, if we. picked a white object. No. So then after it was the, uh, you. Yeah, it was me. And then the second time, uh, Avery and I were in the hallway. No way. And I let him, I then he was my second accomplice. You son of a bitch. Oh. Yep. I figured. I like it. I like it. I expected that out of her. I expected better from you. What? And then, and then what about the last one? And then the last time.

Avery again. Well, Avery couldn't say Avery wasn't saying it. Avery wasn't here. Oh, that's right. So did you just get lucky? Yes.

What did you do? He was listening or something. No, I had a fucking look at a smith. Honestly, I'm going to let, I'm going to leave the magician that reveals his tricks. I think it was Mad Dogg. I think Mad Dog. No, Mad Dog, you can check her text.

She just knows about the black object. Was it Aryan? hell no I didn't have my phone I couldn't contact anybody a magician never A magician never reveals his tricks and I'll let the listeners

So basically honestly it's a great example Of social proof They win in no no no No I went more last night They went into the control room And we're listening No I didn't go into the control room Yes you did

Avery do we go to the control room No Like actually we didn't go into the control room Anyway Then what'd you do A magician never reveals his tricks Big T Because it was going into the control room

room. It walked on water. Just have faith. Just have faith. I want to do it one more time. And this time, I want. No moles. All the phones in the middle. Well, yeah. Everyone except me and PFT, get out of the room. Yeah. I got faith in Billy. Well, I just told you how the first part of the trick goes. Walk on water for me, dog.

I'm walking on water. I'm walking on water, bro. Okay. Are we getting out? Yeah. Okay. I'm sorry I let you guys down. Get out. PFT and I are only doing this through text. we wait we all have to get out

yeah everyone okay Billy see you I'm leaving my phone yeah did Avery take his phone I guess he can have his phone okay

close the door go away all right don't even say anything because they're going into the control room to listen okay so you want to just point at things we're just going to point

no they can see us too we have to text shit well that's not good radio but it's okay all right we you're right but we don't have a choice another group start another text group which just has three okay I'm on it I'm starting the group right now that's the real group chat real group chat okay so I'm going I'm going to say I'm going to say it this time because he sniffed big tea out last time um so I'm going to just make a let I'm going to look around the room like real fast okay all right the third

thing that big t just sent me and for the listeners out there i guess we can't say it right now we can't say it big t where's the thing that you sent me where in the i don't even want i don't even want to do that so i'll just but that's not the one that we're going to use then i'm going to do the one that that arian just sent me okay okay so that's going to be our object and then i'm going to say i'm going to say 10 10 things okay okay all right and you can say all these that he's telling you yes but but the the first one he said is what we're going with right the first one arian sent me is what we're going with okay okay okay and i can't i can't point at it or anything i can't

for people on youtube i can't say it out loud bro okay so okay i would say i would say do that one first yeah because how often is it first okay yeah good call it don't say that Okay, I'm not going to say it first Don't do it You can't I don't know We're so fucked now We're so fucked

Billy is so in my head bro they're in the control room watching us right now Yeah Okay okay okay How about this how about this I know I got mine I'm not gonna change you

Let me go see where they are Let me go see where they are Y'all keep talking Don't you Don't you think it'll be harder for him to read me than you because I'm not in the room

So you want to say You want to say the things I'll say all the objects Okay and are we sticking we're sticking with the I'm going to emphasize it in the group chat

that's the one that we're sticking with right there I mean he may have heard that because no we didn't say it we're not in the control room they're out front so we never said the name okay so okay let's I say we stick with that and then everybody send some more shit that's that way so that I can see it so that I can I can point it out I think it's

I think it's less easy for him to hear for him to read me rather than... And I swear if one of y'all is texting... I'm a mama. I know Aryan's not,

but you would just because you think it's funny. I am not texting Billy. Billy's phone is right there. You can check Billy's text if you want. His phone's on... Somebody's phone's dingin. Okay, well then look at it.

I'm not going to look at it. Big T is not with the shit's right now. He's not fucking around. All right. They're all from his dad and pals. Okay. From his dad and pals. Okay.

His dad's like Billy. Okay. So I hope you're not doing magic now. Where was that blue cup? What was the blue cup? Oh, don't say, don't say anything. Where was it? Because I got to show him where it is.

You can't see it. We're just not going to use that one anymore. Yeah, we're not going to say that. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.

Okay. We're not going to, um, okay, I got this. Okay. Boom. I hit you with that one. Yep. Okay. Okay.

Okay. We're going to go, uh, boom. Okay. I like yours, Big T. I mean, I'm sorry, PFT. Um,

we have eight, I think. I only had, look, you got to put them all in here. Hmm. Hmm. Hmm.

Hmm. Hmm. Mm. I probably just got another text from his dad. Okay. That's nine. We need one more. One more. Somebody takes one more.

Boom. But, uh, I can't, I can't see that one. I mean, there's no way, there's no way that he gets. Okay. Let's do it. Let's do it. All right. Send them in.

Or let me, let me do it. I don't need you all texting them. Okay. Let's do it. Let's do it. Phones down. Phones down. Hands up.

Yo, he's, he's three for three right now. No, four, is it four for four? No, he's one for one. The crazy thing is, but not even really that. Bigtty, he got us. No, he was laughing. He was smiling, dude. He has something.

The way that he got the third time is just, I think he got it. I think there's some, some bullshit that he's up to, the way that he got the third time. Yes, there is. The whole shit is bullshit, but yo, we've all got got got. Y'all got to admit that shit. Yeah. But he admitted the first two, he just got told. Yeah.

But the third one, he doesn't know. But that's also, but that's also part of his trick, though. Yes, his trick is lying. That's his magic trick. Billy's one of the great great magicians of our day Hello I can't wait till Big T

I want Billy to do some of this shit to our guest next week and see what he thinks okay that's gonna be lit are they ready let's go

I told them to come in they're back in the control room and so it's taking them a long time to get here you think they really are I think that's a possibility yeah that's one of the only ways

he would have known the last one. That's tough. That is absolutely tough. I'm saying taking you all a while to get back from the control. Oh, how about this? How about this? Y'all gave me 10.

I'm going to pick which one it is. Well, no, we all have to know. We all selected it. Okay, okay, okay, that's a good. No, I'm switching it because, because. Okay, tax us right now. I'm switching it. It's going to be this one.

Okay. Wait. It didn't come through. It's an exclamation and a thumbs up that we just put on it. Got it. Just got a thumbs up. Yo, hop out and go get them.

What are they doing? I just text them. I'm taking you all the while to get back from the control room. Okay. Can I text them? No. No, I'll go get them. While we were, okay.

What if I did the speech? devising their strategy they are they got nothing to do with us you i put on my mama it ain't i don't lie on my mama doggie yeah i took here they're coming back there you go oh good forgot about that good good i took our technology i forgot about that that's on me Let's do it. Are you ready? So here's what we decided. I'm going to do it.

Okay. And... Wait, does Arian know? Yeah, Arian knows. It's Aaron no what? I thought it was just between PFT and Big T. No, we let Arian in on it. We also started a group chat of the real ones.

Yeah. Okay, this is going to be hard. Fuck. The real ones. All right, you ready? Ten, ten. All right. Ten?

I got, we got ten of them. Ten object. Okay, okay. 10, 10. All right, look, here we go. Here we go. First one is over your left shoulder, the Kalil Mack, a little figurine jump. Got it?

Okay. To your right, there's, I'm sorry, to your right, there's a champagne bottle. The empty, the half-filled one or the filled one? It's the full one. It's the full one. Okay. it's the full one okay

there's a lacrosse stick I don't know in relation which where that is to you can you can you point it out to yeah

am I allowed to yeah yeah yeah we're on this because there's a couple things that we have in there that is by the door it's not in my view it's by the door

okay all right there is a paint can yeah point that out to PFT which one Billy knows it's under the couch is it the far one

or the close one It's the red one. This one right here. Okay, that one, the far one. Okay. Red jump, red jump, red jump. Okay. Over your left shoulder again, there's a basketball.

Okay. Boom. There it is. Over to your, across view, there is a Trent Registency jersey. Okay. I'll see your dad was texting you earlier. We checked your phone. Oh, you did?

It's calling you a bitch. I don't know what that's about. All right. Yeah. Uh, uh, to your right behind PFT, there is a Josh Allen candle. Okay, right. So I got to strike by my dad. Why were you on your computer right now?

Because I'm typing them down. He's right. He's right. I'm writing down. I'm writing down. One, two, three, four, five, six, six. So the Josh Allen candle. Okay.

Yep. That's, that should be. That should be six, right? Uh, Josh Allen. Okay. All right. Uh, one. two, three, four, five, six, seven, seven.

Okay, seven, there is a blue cup, big tea. Can you point them to the blue cup? Right there, right. Barstool mug? Barstool mug? Yes. Okay. Okay.

There is a spaceship on the macrodosing poster. Okay. Penis spaceship. Okay, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven. And the last but not least, right behind your laptop, there is a pair of blue scissors. Okay. That is 10 objects. Okay.

Every you can, you can do that. You can do that. Kaleel Mac, full champagne, lacrosse stick, red paint can basketball, Trent Richards, Jersey, Josh Allen, Candle. Just got a sound effect cute. Blue cup, barstool, mug, penis spaceship and the blue scissors. Billy, he knows where it is. What?

I can just tell that you're like pretending to be like, oh, I know. Just do it. Just tell us. Caleo Mac Bottlehead. Jesus Christ. All right. So what's the, how are you? No, no.

If you'd solved it, you'd get it, but we're going to move on. What the fuck, Billy? Where's Aryan? I will give you this. Where is Aryan? Where is Aryan? I think Aryan's the mole this time. Aryan's the one in the control room.

I will give you this. Even though you're cheating, the fact that we haven't figured out how you're cheating yet is mildly impressive. I'm not cheating. I'm using mentalism. Mildly Impressive. I mean, it's called mentalism.

From Big T, mildly impressive is as good as a compliment as you can get. So what did you, did one of y'all seriously? I think it's probably Aaron. Arrian has to be. Has he left. Should we kick Aaron out and make him do it again? I can show you my texts from Aaron. Everyone get out.

Everyone get out. It's just me. Everyone get out. Everyone get out. Aaron. Aaron. Oh, shit is getting, uh, uh, yeah,

I'm sure it is. I'm sure it is, you son of a bitch. What'd you tell him? Got it? He got it? Oh, yeah. I'm sure you're so surprised.

Listen, bro. Listen, listen. Listen, big T. I know you don't, you're super reasonable human man. on my mother's heartbeat on my daughter's heartbeat I have no

communication with Billy doggy all right my phone is sitting right here dog on my mother he got that shit yes so am I to understand that when you guys left the room all three of you left your phones in this room my phone was right here we know Billy's was on his desk his dad was texting him because we saw

that it was from his dad look at me we saw I saw Avery grab his phone bro I have no communication with this nigga I believe you. The nigga of my door is hanging up my TV, the, the 100th TV. He's hanging that bitch up right now, and he's like, he was trying to get the Sono's password or some shit like that. Were your TV's here? Yeah, it just gets literally just got put up.

What a great day it is for everybody on this. It's a fucking good. Cheers, but my nigga, listen, on my mama, Big T. I'm not lying on my mama. I believe you. I'm not lying on my daughter. How the fuck did this nigga get this shit? It's just crazy.

A magician never reveals his tricks. Bro, and he pretended for a second like he didn't. I knew he knew it when he was like, hmm, when he starts to do the like mouth noises. Yeah, that's really pretending that he doesn't know. Yeah.

He got to have a, there's a mad dog. It's mad dog. That was a mean. Does he have someone in the control room feeding him stuff? Like something to have. Do you want to go to the control room and see if we were talking to Ebony and Enrique the whole time?

No, you wouldn't, see, oh, you may have just outed yourself. You wouldn't have to step foot in there if you got somebody in there doing it for you. Well, go. go ask if we had no phones we were standing go asking yeah go asking Enrique Rike no I know y'all were standing there

we're standing there the whole time all right anyway let's move on mind control so typically religions cults I mean not religions like cults uh governments try to use mind control using a variety one second one second isolation Billy seriously seriously we can cut this from the show

if you want and we'll make you look like a genius tell me what you did no dude magician you found out all the other look you figured out all the other tricks and spilled all the other tricks we're leaving this up to chance I told you we can cut it from the show no here's where I'm at Billy is lying this whole time like he's got to be lying of course I don't really I don't want Billy to do like a victory lap with how he was lying and rub it in I think whatever Billy just let him be a liar all right I had you do it though You know what?

You know what? If Billy can pull this off for the mentalist that we're going to get into this show. Yeah, we're going to have you do this shit next week. Okay. For an actual mentalist. Okay. And we'll see if he can figure it out. Fuck, that's me so.

He probably knows it. What if Billy actually can read all of her minds and that's why he is the way that he is? Fucking lit. Then I'll back believing in God. Fuck with me, Billy's water, homie. Billy is God. Okay. No.

Come on. I'm okay with that. I'm okay with that. No, well, I don't believe in that. Not only sacrilegious, it's nonsensical. I would say that of all the people on the planet that could be God. I think Billy's in the top 50%. That's weird.

Yeah, okay, yeah. Yeah. There are three billion people out there that I would be more okay with than you. So Billy don't get a lot of credit for this. But though, you're a very diverse human being. You have a lot to you. I mean, I can ask you about frogs. I can ask you about space

I can ask you about military I can ask you about sports Billy's diverse man I think we I think we gotta give them flowers a little bit Billy's a diverse that's fair

your flowers Billy Billy contains multitudes so tell us what you did so you don't get to know this is just punishment for spoiling my numbers can you tell us after the show's over I'm impressed

I'm impressed we'll cut it from the show I don't want to know now. I want to know what after the show. I'll tell you guys. After the shows. But I'm punishing Big T. Big Tee. A, Big T being pressed. Make this shit so much more funny. You're not going to tell me if you don't tell Big T. I'm not pressed.

Do not print that I got pressed. I'm not pressed. This is ass. This is as number five. I actually want to get into the history of mind controls because it's really interesting because it originated in, uh, so. was last name Daniel. What did mind control originate?

So the term brainwashing mind control originated in the Korean war by the Chinese.

So before that people were definitely doing it for century but the term was coined. The Nazis were big

mind control people. Big like very evil. Evil shit. But the ways it's sort of people get

brainwashed and we saw a lot of this with Scientology was, you know, people being isolated. Physical isolation can be very powerful, but even when physical isolation is impossible or not practical, manipulators

will typically attempt to isolate you mentally. So isolation, remember PFT when you got sent to that seminar? Yeah, the landmark forum. Yeah, so listen to this. This may, isolation may be achieved in a number of ways from one-week seminars in the country to criticizing your family and circle of friends. Yeah.

I think there might have been a lot of actors at that seminar. trying to manipulate you there might have been yeah yeah um criticism and they were they kept adjusting the temperature of the room too to like keep me uncomfortable and keep you awake and they give they don't let you talk to anybody yeah and they tell you like oh your family's not going to understand when you tell them where you are but you're here for you it was definitely a mind control thing yeah yeah but it turns out i'm much like big t i'm unbrain washable uh criticism criticism may be using an isolation tool uh they manipulators will use usually speaking us against them terms.

So a lot of propaganda is technically mind control. The Nazis created us versus them, divisive, you know, bipartisan separation. Many political parties create bipartisan separation. I'm using bipartisan wrong. Bipartisan means cooperation. I'm talking bipolar separation. So you must be lucky to feel associated with one side. Social proof and peer pressure.

We talked about that. Fear of alienation. You know, being rejected from a warm and loving group, being rejected from your tribe. Repetition, constant repetition is a powerful persuasion tool. It might be simplistic, but when you get something repeated a thousand times, it gets action to your subconscious. Fatigue. Fatigue and sleep deprivation. This is used a lot in torture, basically, you know, a lot of people have been tortured into mind control. You know, Hell Week and the Navy SEALs, we talked about the Navy SEAL who was able to do the haunted house.

really effectively because he had been basically mind-controlled to not be mind-controlled. I think sleep deprivation is a big part of it because if you are fatigued, if you have not slept in days, you're like more dangerous than a drunk driver. And you're also more susceptible to your mind being invaded. Yep. It's how long as you've been without sleep? See, I was thinking about that earlier today. And I think it's probably like, I don't know.

48 hours, 54, something like that. Wow, you did that. Yeah, I mean, and you feel, you don't feel like yourself at all at the end of it. It's actually, I wonder how long a human being could stay alive without sleeping if you gave them. Most of the 11 days. Yeah. Oh, really? If you gave them, like, food, water, all that stuff.

Then you just go down. What happens? Yeah. Let me pull up the study. You, you like literally enter like psychosis, hallucinations, like, hallucinations, like, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, have like seizures are possible like your body need to sleep because that's what's hey not to bring up this shit but it's hilarious Jordan Peterson was on Joe Rogan and he said he drank apple cider and that made him not sleep for like 20 28 days I think he said no his real problem

was he was addicted to uh but no that was his clenzo's I know no that that's obviously what was happening but he said he did not sleep for 20 some days I was like bro you'd have been dead fam because he drank apple cider Look the shit as hilarious though But like the thing is when people get addicted to certain sedatives And you know Like for example Didn't Edward Alan Poe died of delirium tremors?

Edgar Edgar They don't really know That's actually something that's His death is still unsolved And they'll probably never solve it Because he was running around outside And then he hid his head

He was having like a psychotic He'd owner of the Baltimore Ravens Edgar Alan Poe that is where the name comes from right yeah yeah he wrote that yeah he wrote that yeah he had a psychotic it was a bad it's a bad joke some some think it was delirium tremens and he couldn't sleep and some because he needed booze some people think he had it was ether he overdosed on ether but uh the reality is fuck j z nobody really also he's another uh married as like 11 year old cousin guy oh really yeah Randy Gardner's sleep deprivation experiment.

He went 11 days in 25 minutes without sleep. Whoa. In 1963, I wonder how he, I've done like a day and a half. I've done a day and a half for sure. I've done two back-to-back nights. It's tough.

It is like, it is tough. Like you start to feel, your chest starts to feel heavy. You get like hella woozy. It's, it's not fun. I mean, it wasn't a real two back-to-back nights,

but I did lay in bed, both those nights but didn't really sleep it was finals really back to back were you on drugs billy just the good ones the educational drugs yeah um i'm trying to find the tweet but somebody somebody here at barstool said what if when you fall asleep you're actually it's just your brain downloading tomorrow's episode whoa and i i was like whoa that fucked me up i feel like that's something quiggs would say simulation talk yeah it might be what if it was yeah so this is like when you don't go to sleep for a day yeah uh you that's when the episode starts to suck the writers run out of ideas oh so the guy who stayed up for 11 days

he slept for 14 hours and 40 minutes after the 11 days and then he woke that's not that much actually actually really not I would expect more wait one good night's sleep huh so he then woke up, he went to sleep for 14 hours and 40 minutes after basically 12 a.m. And then he woke up at 8.40 p.m. And then he stayed awake. That doesn't make sense. Or it depends on where they started it. And then he stayed awake until 7.30 p.m. the next day where he slept an additional 10 and a half hours. He had appeared to have fully recovered from his loss of sleep with follow-up sleep recordings taken one, six and 10 weeks after. But apparently later in life, he reported serious insomnia

decades after his sleep experiment. Whoa. It is not good to stay up, man. I often think about this, right? The reason we sleep on this earth is because of the cycle of night and day. Right?

And the cycle of night and day is merely because of how the earth tilts and how it rotates from night to day. There are, the majority of planets don't have that tilt and so there are like forever sun or forever night on some some places and so um it's interesting to see how like we we evolved because of the cycle that is the sun versus the non-sun so it's wild to think about huh so blind people in the so a guy once uh did an experiment

where he did he tried to remove himself from the day and night cycle and found that the sleep cycle his body ended up taking was similar to blind people who tend to have 24-and-a-half-hour sleep cycles as opposed to 12-hour sleep cycles. Whoa. So stay up. So they sleep for 24 hours? Yeah.

No way. This is a belly fact or this is not how way. Like I get that blind people, they're not able to wake up with the sun. That's not a thing. Because when you get out of your circadian rhythm, for most people, the body clock falls. If you're blind, and I wonder if we have any blind listeners out there, any blind macrodotions, but I'm curious to know, like, when you wake up in the morning, have there been times

when you wake up and you're not certain if you're awake or if you're asleep? That would be a big thing for me. Because for me, when I wake up in the morning, it's like my eyes are open. That's what I use to recognize the fact that I'm awake. Yeah. How do you not know if you're in one of those dreams or when you wake up? And you, because that used to happen to me when I snoozed. I would hit snooze and then fall back asleep

and then wake up thinking I was awake and go through my whole routine like brush my teeth and then I'd actually wake up and I'd be so bummed out that I didn't actually do all my routine. I think it's a matter of that's interesting I think it's a matter of if somebody a lot of people that are blind

have limited eyesight and so they can probably detect light. You can see light. Shadows. But if you're there are there are some pitch black Yeah, if you're completely blind, I wonder how that works. Or if you had, like, your eyes removed for whatever reason. Okay, this is definitely an important part, but I,

trivial question that I feel like needs to be addressed because my shorty puts on her alarm, like she's a school teacher, she gets up every morning, she goes to work, God bless her heart, she's amazing. But, dog, she'd leave the house 7 o'clock. her alarm goes off at 530 and she has alarms set all the way until she wakes up around 630

so she has like alarms for an hour straight and I told her she was fucking insane am I bugging because I have one alarm it wakes me up and I do what I have to do but to wake up like seven times an hour would be torture to me like who that's my that's too many times That's what I do.

I have seven times. So I have like five. Five is a lot. There was an alarm. I forget where I found it, but I once bought this shock bracelet alarm that would shock you to wake you up because it was supposed to condition you to start waking up that time without the shock. I was doing it during football camp. You know, everything you do is extreme. Does that work?

Yeah. It ended up working. Yeah. It ended up working. Like what? Because it, but then there was a there was a setting on it that, uh, track to your you know your REM cycles through heartbeat and then only woke you up so you choose like a 30 minute period I had from six to six 30 and then it wakes and then it wakes you up when

you're at your most awake so you know when you sometimes wake up and you feel good and then you wake up and you're like deep in sleep and it sucks it tries to wake you up at the best time and that sounds like a bunch of junk science to me no no but like there's you know so for example you know when you wake up at like uh like sometimes so for example when i wake up at 6 a.m on a good sleep cycle i feel better than if i wake up at 10 a.m yeah so that's because your your cycle is at like the closest to the surface at like 6 a.m but then it gets back into another cycle and then you come out halfway through your deep cycle at 10 a.m okay i get that no i get that i just it seems to me like a bracelet wouldn't necessarily be able to track that

as accurately. It's good in theory, but I'm saying, like, in practice, sometimes those sorts of, like, wearable technology things. Like, the technology is just not completely there yet, you know? Well, your heartbeat is indicative of your, of your sleep patterns. Like, you get into a lower heart rate when you're in deeper sleep. They can't. I'm just saying, I don't know if it's perfect or not.

Right, but nothing is. And I would also get, I would get pissed off at my, my bracelet for trying to wake me up. Let's get back to mind control. Don't try to mind control. Wait, hold on, but hold on. I just want to get, I kind of get into the sentence. What is the acceptable amount of time before you actually have to get up out of your bed to when your alarm goes off? I'm at like five minutes tops before it's like you are torturing yourself. Where are I out with it? Oh, I have, my alarm is an hour before I need to like get up and get dressed. See, see, to me that's just. That's a long time. That's wild. That's a long time. I like to ease in. it. I mean, it's smart, but it's also a long time. I could never do that, I don't think. But, but, but like, can you get back to sleep after the first one? Like, I can't really go. Like, if I'm up, I'm up. But wait, Big T, you set, you set your alarm and then you sit in bed for

about an hour before you get up. So I have two alarms. They're 15 minutes apart. The first one wakes me up and then sometimes I'll, like, doze back off and then the second one, like, I'm up. And then I just like to, like, dick around on my phone for a little bit and shit before I need to leave. I mean, that's smart because sometimes I dick around on my phone. phone it makes me late because I don't build in that hour yeah so honestly something that I've started to do which is really bad you know how blue light keeps you awake yeah so some reason my head I feel like I have to you know my alarm goes off and the first thing I do is I pick up my phone and I start scrolling like start my day find blog topics possible TikTok ideas uh just like consuming content and getting that

bright light in my eyes to like wake me up in the morning but it's definitely not healthy no it's not but we all do it but i try to like i feel like that wakes me up better than like i knew a guy that or i met a guy i should say that he um he would wake up at the same time every morning i think he woke up at 5 a.m every morning for like 40 years never set an alarm he would but he would always wake up at exactly that time and sometimes if he felt like snoozing in he would just close his eyes after he woke up at 5 a.m. And then he would count to 67 times and then get out of bed. That would be his snooze.

It's like internally counting to seven minutes. You know what I've found in the last couple years? If I have a flight that's at like 7 a.m., I always have alarm set and I always wake up before them. If it's a flight, if it's something I need to be at work early for, whatever, something important like early in the morning, I wake up before the alarm every single time. And it's always like pretty close to it. but like my brain just like won't let me you're still kind of thinking about it while you're asleep because I'm always I'm very

I'm early to everything I'm very paranoid about being late especially obviously like a flight something you have to be there for and so if it's early I will always wake up before the alarm no matter how early it is I've woken up at four in the morning before it's your mental clock when I needed to be up at like five

it's a good quality to have I've only really noticed that in the last year or so I'm usually pretty good about something like that but I think as I get a little bit older I'm starting to lose my touch on it I used to be like you young tea I've never

missed a flight now I found myself waking up for flights like at the at the exact alarm all the time I miss a flight is when I'm faded but other than that I'm pretty good but I never well that's that's a streak I'm very proud of you

you don't put them back like me Billy oh we were we're Tennessee together. Billy, we have a good, we have a good time. We do, we do. We do. Billy is a big time jinxing himself right now. I know, but I always knock on. Huge jinks.

Honestly, the only times I do, I never miss stuff from sleeping in. I miss stuff from doing other stuff that I wake up to do, like working out. Like working out, like today, I was kind of late. You miss an entire podcast. That was because I didn't know, I woke up dazed and confused and didn't know what time the podcast was. not because they didn't wake up. And you missed our entire photo shoot that we had.

Right, but that was because I was reping. Earlier today. I was chasing a pump and it got pretty awesome. Sometimes when you chase a pump. Yeah, I got a free, you know, Christmas ass, baby. I got lost in the, lost. You got lost in the pump. All right, so mind control.

One of the more interesting types of mind control in my mind is how you can flip mind and try to control the mind of an algorithm. You can make the argument that you can do mind control against YouTube or Google or Twitter or Instagram simply by feeding the algorithm false information about yourself. And depending on how sentient you believe that robots and computers are right now, you can make the argument that you're controlling a synthetic mind. So if you want to fuck with YouTube, what you can do is you can start just liking the most random. let's say like you want to get really into what's the most boring part of youtube do you think that you can or the weirdest part paint dry youtube there's definitely a paint drying you definitely paint drying youtube if you start like clicking on uh on the thumbs up for paint drying

videos you start watching a lot of paint drying videos subscribe to a couple youtube is going to be like people are really starting to like this paint drying concept i'm going to feed you more paint drawing concept. It's conditioning. It's actually, it's classical conditioning that you use on a dog, but you're conditioning the technology to respond to certain things about you in different ways, which I think is kind of fascinating. I do this on TikTok because I use TikToks part of my job. I need to find catchy trends that get views and get interactions. So a lot of trends and stuff pop up in my feed that I dislike. You can actually go, if you go to like the share tab on a TikTok, there's a button that says, I don't like this or dislike. So whenever like

the provocative dancing pops up, uh, this is only on the part of my take account, but I've curated the part of my take account to only show trends. So like, I guess they're provocative dancing. You don't like provocative dancing? Not when I'm looking for trends to nobody's trying to entertain clients. Yeah. I don't, I don't mind provocative dancing. But something, but the thing is the algorithm you'll watch it then it's just that's because I'm a young male

it just bombards me with the provocative dancing and it tracks your eyes and knows where you're looking so it finds more stuff like that wait does it actually track your eyes? Yeah I think so the stuff that TikTok has

is like the most invasive that any app has ever gotten information so like the camera tracks your eyes or how is it? I don't know that for a fact but that wouldn't surprise me at all I remember an article

I forget where I'll try to find it right now but the stuff that they have on you like they have every key stroke you've ever put in your phone TikTok does yeah wow the Chinese government yeah the Chinese government's just bombarding me with people shaking it down

but anyway you know what actually is really cool there is a parasite that brainwashes like mind controls people how's that work toxoplasmosis oh yeah talk about this before toxoplasmosis is a parasite that can turn a normally risk-averse mouse

into a bold cat-seeking rodent. So this parasite has manipulated cat and mouse attacking each other by breeding in cat poop. And then the mice pick up the parasite through the cat poop and then end up getting this parasite that makes them. People, this is actually, like you have to be careful this, like if you're pregnant

as a woman. Yeah. Yeah. So basically in the things that it affects humans because the mice become risk averse and will literally run up to cats and like try to fuck with them. They lose all fear.

And they found that people who contract toxoplasmosis are linked to rage problems. So people with the psychiatric disorder known as intermittent explosive disorder or IED, where twice as likely to have a toxoplasmosis diagnosis than healthy individuals with no

psychiatric diagnosis. Interestingly, the decreased fear may also have an advantage is. So there's this person called FITSA whose work showed that entrepreneurs that are more likely to be infected than the general population, and entrepreneurs with the parasite tend to earn on average $6,000 more per year than those without it.

In one study, he and colleagues tested 1500 biology and business study student at a major U.S. university. The results showed that business majors were 1.4 times more likely to test positive for the parasite than biology majors. And within business majors, those specializing in entrepreneurship were 1.7 times more likely to test positive over students in less risky business studies specialties. In a lot of motorcycle accidents, people who die in motorcycle accidents, a lot of them test positive for toxoplasmosis because of their risky behavior.

So where do they get it from? They get it from cats. So if you have cats, it's like the domino meme. Yeah. Like owning a cat, domino, domino, dying in a motorcycle accident. Or becoming a very successful entrepreneur. Yeah.

So the two roads diverged in a wood. There was some, there was some like, I think this is on Joe Rogan, like a couple like years ago but like mMA fighters were going to contract toxoplasmosis to like intentionally intentionally that rocks yeah that's awesome i i once try to contract it a couple of years ago during the pandemic with the pandemic amnesty may have been a bad bit uh i think i actually did but anyway can you ever get rid of it i think after a couple years you think yeah but it's just so interesting so which which begs the question what are y'all's thoughts on free will

because we're talking about mind control right so what is your thoughts on free will i think that in our the the minute decisions that we make in our everyday life we have free will but i think that you are by and large a product of your environment um and all the the myriad of choice and different paths that other things and other people have taken to get to this point in time. Does that make sense? No, a thousand percent. I don't too much to disagree with that other than I would add the variable of your DNA. True.

Like whatever your genetic makeup is plus the environment that you were raised in. And that's why I don't really believe in free will. Yeah. Honestly, that is an argument. Like your DNA causes you to act a certain way. And then the environmental factors are explained by the people who chose to go there who are also in your DNA. Hmm. Whoa.

It's a very deep topic. And so when you were talking about like mind control, I mean, in philosophy, like, a lot of times we studied, like, what is the mind? Like, is it separate from the brain? Descartes was famous for that. Like, do you separate the mind from? the brain. Some people do. Some people don't. It's a subjective field, but it's a very interesting topic that, because there was this dude, I think I may have said this on the five years before, but there was this guy, I think he was in Austin, who went on a shooting spree. And after he was done,

he told the police, or I think he wrote a note or something like that, he said, examine my brain. He's like, something's wrong. Examine me because something's not right. And when they did, he had a brain tumor pushing on his, I think it was either amygdala or medulla ablandgata, either one, which causes extreme rage. It made him be extremely, like, violent. And it was out of, it was totally out of his control. Like, your brain is literally why you do everything and you have a tumor pressing on something causing, causing it. radic behavior,

I mean, that's a form of mind control, like, and what is mine to begin with? I mean, this is a deep-ass topic that I've spent extensive time thinking about.

Yeah, he climbed up to the top of the clock tower at the UT campus and he started shooting people. And then there's a gun store that's pretty close to campus and people started running into the gun store and the dude just started handing out

rifles and handguns. And everybody in the area starts shooting up at this clock tower laying down like, suppressive fire on them while the police ran up the steps and then they blast him with a shotgun that's fucking insane yeah wow that's wild yeah i didn't know the rest of that story that's wild that gun store's still there i used to drive pass so so so i mean may ask you this pfd yep you're thinking man i you know i posit you as thinking man that guy takes somebody out

that you know and you love mm-hmm and then you hear that a subsequent story about how he had a tumor pressing on his amygdala. Where's your anger directed towards? That's a good question. Why are you shrugging his shoulders, Billy? You answer, I would have a lot of anger in that situation,

and I think it would probably be towards his family who didn't encourage him to get the health care that he obviously needed. Well, because there are other warning signs. You don't just go from being a normal person to just being like, oh, this brain tumor today, I woke up and it's making me kill people. There's probably some warning signs that were very clearly ignored by either his family

or his friends or people around him. My take is in that moment, it's definitely short-term versus long-term reward system. So in that high adrenaline moment, you're going to look for. short-term reward, which is, and that reward is vengeance, you're probably in that moment going to want to kill him specifically. Yeah, but he's dead. But what's, put the, put the specific, what's the specific situation? So, so, so, so he has taken out somebody that you loved and he, he died.

He got shot by the police. So after the event? After the event, where's your anger directed towards? knowing that he had a brain tumor that was pressing up against his brain that caused, that we know that caused erratic, irrational and vengeful and hateful behavior. Right. So, hmm. So then you have time to think about it and then you have time to.

Huh. It's a tough situation. Honestly, you'd end up just being mad at the world. I don't disagree with that. Because, like, you know, you can't be mad at, if you're mad at the guy, then you're like, well, people should have picked up on it. But then you're like, well, men are supposed to internalize their feelings because, you know, thousands of years of blah, blah, blah, humanity. But that happened because humans had to, you know, have, like, protect children and blah, blah, blah, gender roles, dating back to hunter gatherers, animals, safer two tigers. people got to eat the world was created evil then you just get angry like then you just get angry at

everything and then you find marx arralius who goes nothing matters everything happens your inability to control situations is what makes it beautiful i'm not mad at that i'm not mad i mean i feel like at some point you either you you have a fork in the road and you are saying fuck it it's all fucked it is what it is or or or fuck it, there's nothing I could do about it. So let's just be happy with it. That's Marcus Aurelius. I'm sorry about it.

I read, I was sorry I'm going off about Marcus Aurelius thought this episode. I just been reading a lot of it lately. But like that's what he's all about. And it makes sense. I don't, I don't. Yeah. There's a dude out there. So I listened to this podcast this morning.

Naivety. With a guy that that firmly believes in reality creation. And by that, I mean, this guy is totally. insane. But he believes that through his own mind, he can manifest things and he can manifest everything. So in this one episode that I was listening to, he lives in Florida and a hurricane was hitting Florida. And the news was saying, get out. This is dangerous. This is a once in a century type storm. And he went to bed thinking to himself, everything's going to be fine in the morning. My house will be fine. I will be fine. And then he woke up in the morning and some of

his neighbor's houses were destroyed. His house was fine. His house was fine. His house was was good his car was fine no flooding and he believes it's because he told himself that everything would be fine and he's like everybody else if they just did this then they could avoid natural disasters happening and he has not he's never gotten COVID he's never gotten the vaccine against COVID and he's just telling himself it's because like I'm telling myself I'm not going to get COVID when I see it on the news I just think to myself you will not get that disease and I haven't gotten it and it's like this dude is going to die in some weird horrific fashion and like he's everything's going to come up bad for him this is the very definition of living

like a very sheltered privileged comfortable life where you're just like no bad things don't happen to me and it's because i think to myself that bad things won't happen that bad things actually won't happen to me there is there is so you read a lot of books right especially like sports motivation books about like visualization yep and that's almost in the same vein yeah and like there's this one book called the power positive thinking yeah that also sort of trends in that way. I think there's some lessons that you can take from that. Yeah, but I feel like that only works when you end up when you're lucky.

Yeah. So, for example, Donald Trump's a big subscriber of the power positive thinking. And yes, the guy with a millionaire father from New York ends up having a lot of success, be it by his own merit or not. And he credits it to his positive thinking and, you know, creates this positive persona that caused him to keep seeking out like more and more and more where does he go now uh the presidency well after again i mean like he ends up going for the presidency because he just keeps going and going and going like where does trump go now that he's got like he was president where else do you go uh

why why why does he get involved in the world economics forum just ruler of the world yeah yeah because like okay imagine your trump your entire life has been building up on things, right? So you've gone through business, you've had various level of success, but you've been able to spend everything and say, like, I'm a great businessman, et cetera, et cetera. You had a great TV show. He became a

national celebrity. He parlayed that into being fucking president of the United States. What happens now? Where a man like that, there's nowhere to go. You can't go up anymore, right? Nah. You think he's not going to retire and just like

be happy playing golf all the time? Kill yourself, go to hell. It's depression. Fight the devil. Kill Satan. Kill yourself. Go to hell. Go fight Satan.

Beat him. Recruit an army of fallen angels. Invade heaven. Kill God, become God. Yeah. That's kind of the... I think that's the game plan, right? Like, yo, dude.

Or... It would be very funny if, like, one of the most liberal people that you know, like, off the top of your head, Rachel Maddow, Big T. Rachel Maddow died. and she goes to heaven and Donald Trump's God that would be funny we have a wonderful

sure it'll be a great skit behind these pearly gates it's just Mar-largo well no she gets in she is allowed in do you think would Rachel Matta want to go to heaven if Donald Trump was God

I'm down it's definitely a like-minded people go to like-minded places type thing yeah probably because you're right Like if a conservative person went to heaven and it's like, hey, Hillary Clinton is God, they probably wouldn't like that very much. Like hell is a party. Yeah. Hell's just hell seems like way more fun.

It's way better. Heaven needs a better marketing rep, I think, or better PR person. Well, you know, heaven's desirable to people who want to go to heaven and are working towards heaven. But I think a lot of people's image of heaven is is boring and no fun. But I think it's like, like can you fuck around? Can you get in trouble in heaven? That's my big question. No,

because you don't want to do trouble. But trouble is fun. I like doing hood rat shit, my friends. Yeah, but like in heaven, I don't know, you know,

let's just, mind control. So, narrowly. Am I wrong? Like, getting troubles fun. I don't think you'll have that desire,

though. I have 12 pages of notes that we've gotten through one. I would, I would, I absolutely have the desire to do bad. Absolutely have that desire. Doing that stuff is fun.

Think about like, some of your best times are doing dumb shit and fun shit getting faded with the homies I can't get faded in heaven there's no there's no Jesus wine he turned water to wine

I can't get fed with Jesus wine yeah like who he's gonna say I can't if I have too much is he sending me downstairs for the night or am I like it's a lot of like it doesn't make no fucking sense I want to get faded

with Jesus and just shoot the shit talk to him like I talk to big tea today like yo my nigga like listen i got some questions dog what you do to those kids uh you are wild as a teenager yo you you you pushed that kid down the stairs did you he goes yeah did i did i brought back to life though your dad got you out of that mess you're the biggest nepotism advocate ever it's like my dad's a lawyer on steroids my dad's god my dad's god uh i would like to do hood rat shit still i would like to get in trouble

Getting kicked out of a dog show. You can't get kicked out of a dog show in heaven. It's all the small things that you do. The variety in life makes it worth living, I think. There's another technique, Bill. You said repetition earlier. Yeah. He's a good form of mind control.

What about rhyming? Things that rhyme. Catchy. Catchy stuff? Things that are catchy is a form of mind control. For example, if the glove don't fit, you must acquit. Huh. It hits different because it rhymes.

If Johnny Cochran had The glove didn't fit my client Therefore probable cause exists For you to find him not guilty Does that move you at all? The rhyme gives my brain A little serotonin Positive feedback loop with the thought

I could see it happening Yeah It brings a whole Here's another form of mind control Which you know is a I think in the family of what you're talking about is advertisement. Yep.

Yeah, definitely. Advertisement is a huge form of mind control, man. It's why some of the richest companies in the world spend billions a year individually on marketing. What do you think we're being mind-controlled about right now? Look at your shirt, repetition. Mountains are blue? Mounds are blue.

How many blue mountains are on your shirts? How many blue mountains? But the product is 100%. So going back to what Arian was saying about Billy being, you know, containing multitudes and having good thoughts and interesting points of view on things. Billy kind of gave Coors Light tens of millions of dollars

worth of advertising just by starting to repeat the mountains are blue. Say more. I'm aware of this story. I'm going to aware of this story. So the thing that we love about the blue mountains part of my take is that they turn blue

when they're cold. We're very simple minded people. The mountains turn blue when your beer's cold. I've always loved that about Coors Light. And so we were very excited to work with Coors Light the mountains turn blue when your beer is cold and then Billy started tweeting out just the

emoji for the mountain and then the letter R and then the blue emoji. Yeah. And that would be his thing that he would tweet out like every weekend, the mountains are blue. And then now Cors Light is tweeting out mountains are blue. And now this right here on these shirts, these are blue mountains that are in the silhouette of the mountain emoji that Billy started tweeting out whenever he was drinking course lights like billy has has his brain has as as given away probably 20 million dollars worth of marketing easily to course easily they can you know it's fine it's great product my father loves cores light and he found when the mountains turned blue like back when it happened yeah he just kept raving about it yeah and raving about it so it's a very formative memory

uh so now he's like he's you know like my son they stay they're still they still they still they still a IP from you is what they're doing well no i the mountains turned blue and then like mountains are blue billy gave they never they never ran with that until you did it no no no no but the mountains turned they developed technology that when the mountains turned blue the beers cold did they run with that thought they did but they didn't they didn't run with the idea of the emojis of mountains and then blue until billy and like started to do it you know like just taking a pick i used to just take a picture of the blue mountains like super close up and just tweet it well yeah we we were doing that too

i'm talking more about the emoji thing yeah the emo like i don't know and then just putting it i'm at it repetition works though bill is right um so just some historical brainwashing the weirdest things that used to happen in especially wars where you used to get prisoners of war that got you know stockholm syndrome type stuff where they got brainwashed through torture and different means to switch sides And this happened a lot in the Korean War, and this is when the U.S. really started to study this and became the foundation of M.K. Ultra, basically, a bunch of the prisoners of war were manipulated and defected to the Chinese side. And basically they found that once they returned to American society, they sort of snapped out of it and returned back to normal mental well-being. It was more of a situation. And it was just one of those things. So there was Robert J. Lifton interviewed American servicemen who had been POWs during the Korean War, as well as priests, students, and teachers who had been held prison in China after the 1951. In addition to interviews with 25 Americans Europeans, Lifton interviewed 15 Chinese citizens who had fled after being subjected to indoctrination in Chinese universities.

In his book, he found that the POWs returned to the United States. they're thinking soon returned to normal, contrary to popular image of brainwashing. Charles Manson used brainwashing. He might have learned from MK Ultra by making the mind sort of weak and weak, I mean, like, sort of unstable through uses of torture, indoctrination, or use of LSD, and then just repeating. It's easier to get thoughts and beliefs. into a soft mind that's been manipulated by different stimuli. Yep. So the Chinese use torture in Korea.

Nazis used tortured. Americans use torture. Everyone tortured. I mean, they sometimes got so good at mind control, you would get false confessions from torture and manipulation. So MK Ultra, they're trying to find if high doses of LSD were like a truth serum and that sort of stuff. And it's sort of, you know, mind control happens in very minute ways, like pimps and people who are being human traffic that happens to a lot where you have women, unfortunately, who are because they are at the behest of their pimps or drug, of human traffickers, they cooperate and do things that they don't want to do because of,

manipulation. Yeah. If you're addicted to a drug, you will do anything to get the drug, you associate certain activity, certain things with getting that drug. To get other people, anytime someone does something to get

other people to do what they want, kind of manipulation and mind control. I look back at my years of athletics, and I think Aryan might agree with me. A lot of coaches use manipulative, you know, techniques to try to make you think a certain way, make you motivated a certain way and get you to perform better

or do what they want you to do. I would agree. Thousand percent. And sometimes gets fucked up in college. Absolutely. I mean, high school. I mean, it's just the fact that you have, because kids are impressionable.

And when you're young, you have a certain amount of admiration to these adults that you think have, have your best interest at heart and a lot of the times they're just broken human beings who are either living vicariously through you or just trying to find some kind of glory for themselves and some kind of like validation for themselves and so it's not always the best intent and so a lot of the times um the arena that is sports it's not just football the arena that is sports um lends itself to a lot of manipulation especially when big money is involved

Yeah, it can get downright, disgusting. And I've seen it happen so many times. You know what another form of mind control is? And maybe a topic for a future episode, if we can get somebody like this to come on the podcast as a guest, pick up artist. I would love to have like a, what do they call themselves? Seduction, scientist, seduction expert, master of seduction.

We have one here. Glennie. Oh, yeah, Glennie. But he's a natural. Yeah, he doesn't train for that shit. Glennie Balls, yeah. He's on a different level. That's how Andrew Tate started his whole.

As a P-U-A pickup artist? Yeah, like, you know, top-gee. Top-G. This is how you treat women and they'll whatever. But there was that one guy who was home, who claimed that he slept with a different woman every night to get a bed. You ever see that video?

No. Let me find it. But I would love to have a pickup artist on this show to talk us through the art of seduction because those guys are they're kind of pieces of shit they pray on insecurities they do they do and their techniques are just i guess they help some people get laid like in terms of getting from point a to point b yeah i guess it can work but also the techniques that they use are very very dubious i would say unethical would be a polite way of saying it well the classic way they do it is they sort of you neg you say you put them down yeah put

them down yeah complicate and then make them want your more compliments and approval they make you seek approval yeah yeah it's like kind of dirty shit but so they would say something like uh it what was the one i remember i read part of the game like 10 years ago and I think the first one was like oh you got this cute little bugs bunny overbite that's so adorable you say that to a girl and then it's it sounds like a compliment but the girl on the inside feels like stabbed by it and so then she's like oh my god she starts feeling self-conscious then all of a sudden like you're in a position above her it's just it's really dirty well the classic one I don't sound like a douchebag say it bad dogs say billy

So the classic one is that if there's like a super, super attractive girl who knows she's hot. Huh? You hate what? No, because I'm not someone that. What would you say that person? Has this happened to them? Go. No, but you know the people I'm talking about.

And they manipulate men. Did you just call Madeline ugly? No. No, I'm saying you know what I'm, but he types of people are talking about. Big T. Big T. What do you see? He didn't go out of his way.

say no, Madeline. You were stirring the pot right now. Yeah, you are stirring the pot. There's no pot. There's no pot. I was just curious. Big T. I think Billy's talking about a woman who is spoiled.

A woman who is, like, I was stirring the pot. Continue your story. Who uses their looks to get ahead and like that sort of thing. To get ahead, but also like manipulates men around them. Like the girls who get guys to do their homework because they're hot, like, that type of thing. That girl. Yeah. Anyway, I once read, like, the way, like, don't give that girl the time of day at all and don't react to them like other people react to them.

I would agree with that. And then they become obsessed with why you aren't giving the treatment that everybody else does. Easier said than done, though. It's like, have you seen that tweet where it's like, bro, I got her because of my whimsical charm? No. it's like funny guys get the hot girls well have you seen the girls that David Spade is dated I just saw one come up on my TikTok this morning

it's incredible is that money though he got bread he got bread yeah it's money but yeah but it is not hard to get women with Brabara it is not hard yeah but how much guy this how much money do you think David Spade's made a lot David Spade Network more or less than it's not even just money

it's the illusion that you Probably you have money. If they know you, they own you. What? His net worth is according to celebrity net worth. Now that's, he's 5.7.

What's the number? Well, I'm seeing 7. I'm seeing 67. What 5.7 are you going to do anything, man? I'm just saying, good for him. Short King. Uh-huh. Uh-huh.

I'm proud of him. This is, no, no, no, no. No, no. I want everyone to look at what PFT is doing exactly right now. This is exactly what Billy's talking about what am i doing you're like oh good for him five seven and rich that's like what boys do to super super hot girls oh i'm negging yeah yeah you're doing exactly that so by ignoring them and by ignoring them it might take more than one it's not like it's not going to happen in one day but like after consistent not putting up with their shit they end up obsessed with you because you don't

you treat them differently than all the simps yeah but this rocks pft commenters net worth 41 million dollars shit does it actually let's go it's probably low it's yeah a little bit on the low side but i'll take it these these websites make no sense they don't but i feel like um i'm not worth 41 million i'm seeing two million yeah there's one that says 41 million i'm choosing to believe that one i think they're both on the low end can you take that to a bank i think these celebrity net worth sites they because last time I checked it had both me and Big Cat being worth like two million dollars each I think they

just think that part of my take the podcast is worth $2 million so they just or they might actually listen to us when we say we get $75,000 an episode but that you would get $2 million from that and like how much would that be I'm just curious people were unit shaming me because I posted some of my bets

yeah don't unit shame and I'm like what's like I'm not Dave I found a $520 million for you that's more realistic where that's that's probably 520 billion oh my god do you think if I if I had

520 million dollars right now I actually would I think you'd be Skyping it you'd be zooming yeah I'd be on Zoom I'd be on Zoom I think somebody asked me the other day like what were you going to do if you win the lottery drawing

because I think it's back up to like 600 million No 1.2 billion Let's go I would well the take home would be like 600 yeah I think I would do my exact job that I do right now, except I would do it a little bit less frequently. Yeah. I think I'd do like maybe one episode of macrodosing a week

and one episode of part of my take a week. Yeah. Whole building, ran out a whole building on the top of like some dope-ass, you know, high skyrise shit and just rent that shit out and do it there. That would be lit. Yeah, that'd be cool. And fly me private there every week. That'd be dope.

Yeah. Runway on top of the big. building. That's impossible. Why? It's impossible. There's no plane unless I installed the

wires and the hooks on there like a carrier. An aircraft carrier. Actually, that kind of rocks. That's so cool. That's pretty cool. Yeah, but then you can't land everything from everywhere.

I don't like helicopters. Have you ever been in one? I mean, I've not been in a helicopter. Oh, but you don't like heights. I mean, after. I don't think I will. After RIP, Kobe, no one really fucks with helicopters.

I was anti-helicopter before. Yeah. You know, it would be a great time to do. Kick it to our guy, Caesar. Yeah, well. Oh, we haven't kicked this. No, let's kick it. Let's kick it to Caesar.

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They've literally seen it all. Just another reason why Sport Clips is the pros in mint hair. Now, here he is, Caesar Milan. We now welcome on a very, very special guest. I'm super excited to have you on the show because I have watched. I have watched you on television for a long time. You were a big influence on me when I was figuring out how to raise my first dog.

And so I credit you with helping me raise what I thought was a pretty well-adjusted dog. It is Caesar Milan, the Dog Whisperer. You can see him right now. Better Human, Better Dog on National Geographic. And he's the co-founder of the newest dog technology, the Halo Collar, which we'll discuss here in a second. That's right. But that right there, that was Leroy. That was my English Mastiff.

And he just passed away about a year and a half ago. But I got him when he was a little puppy. And about seven weeks old, maybe 11, 12 pounds. And I knew he was going to get to be this giant dog one day. And I was like, I better be on my shit when I'm raising this little puppy because I don't want him doing anything right now that he's going to do when he's 100 pounds. That's right. So it's like we had to be very strict, you know, no paws, no teeth on you, anything like that. And I read your book.

I forget which one it was probably one of the first ones read that cover to cover and it was very helpful so thank you. So thank you for what you've done for a lot of people out there. I know you've influenced a lot of people. Thank you. You know what? The goal in life

the new show is called Better Human, Better Dog. The goal in life is for me to help people to connect with a dog in a very natural, simple, profound way. So people arrive or achieve, trust, respect, love. Because if you don't have that, even if you have love,

you don't have a well-behaved dog, right? Because you don't have trust and respect. And the basics of every relationship, human to human, is trust, respect. You can have love, but if you don't have trust, you're going to keep that person at a distance. Yeah, and I would imagine if you're a dog, you can love your owner,

but if you don't trust them, you're going to be anxious, you're not going to feel secure all the time. Confuse. Confused a little bit. Confused because you're in an environment that is not focusing on natural accomplishments, right? Everybody wants a dog to be well-behaved, but the dog wants the human to be well behave as well, right?

So the one who needs education is not the animal, is the dog because they already know, is the human. Because the animals already know what to do. Yeah. The only time they develop issues is when they come and live with us. Yeah. It's fascinating to hear you talk about dogs in America versus dogs in third world countries. Because you always say that dogs in America are the ones that have the most psychological problems. Yeah.

But physically they're fit. Yes. But their brains aren't compared to others. So what I say is dogs in the world country are skinny, but they don't have psychological problems. Dogs in America are chunky and I get to have a TV show. You know what I mean? So like a dog in America shouldn't have problems because he has health, you know, he has wealth. He has, he lives inside a house.

He's considered a member of the family. Dogs in America have rights. You know what I mean? There's a lot of things that they have. But what they don't have in a daily basis is the exercise, which is extremely important, the psychological challenge, which is going to work, and then getting affection after exercise discipline. So body, mind, heart.

So an American dog is more likely going to get affection, affection, affection, right? So if you watch an episode in South Park, I went and rehabilitate Carmen, you know, with the same formula, right? And so that actually helped a lot of people. But Caesar's teaching is the same thing we need to do with humans. You know, exercise is a brand of a body, my heart. That's what we need to grow up in a balanced way. Yeah, I do that.

I use some of your techniques on Billy, too. I do, I hit him with a, so I just redirect him in a positive direction. Bill is big, Billy has to have a job to do. You know, like that's, it's kind of the same way. If Billy doesn't have a job to do, he's like a dog, like a border collie that gets left in a house all day, starts licking his paws raw, starts chewing at the base for it. I'm not domestic animal, I'm more of a, you know, like a wolf dog. You can't really train a wolf dog.

That's a wild animal. You can't keep that in the house. Billy's a chihuahua that thinks he's a wolf. Oh, sure. That's the issue. No, maybe like a Caucasian shepherd, like that type of thing. Oh, that's a big. Honestly, I've always, I like big dogs.

I have an American bulldog, 120 pounds, two and a half years old. Honestly, your training methods were huge when I was training my puppy because it's like a lot of people are afraid to be not mean to their dog but discipline their dogs right and then when i go to dog parks i see other misbehaved dogs like like all these doodles and small dogs that people think they don't have to train right but they sometimes are the worst and then they antagonize other dogs but um my question is when you're talking about third world uh dogs from third world countries versus american dogs are you talking about a lot of the dogs that are more outdoors dogs like almost semi-feral that run around or working dogs and uh

more like not house dogs. Well, a farm dog, for example, that's a happy dog, right? Because he's every day, he wakes up in the morning and he knows his purpose, right? And so they want to help someone. So they don't want to drink water and eat. They actually want to go to work and then drink water and eat. You see what I'm saying? So that's a normal lifestyle, right?

Because animals wake up in the morning, they stretch, the birds fly, and the fish swim, and the dog have to walk. You see what I'm saying? So as long as they can achieve their natural cycle in life, they're going to be fine. And they're going to help humankind. It's just a dog that lives in a first world country. He wakes up and he gets breakfast, you know, and sometimes he gets to walk at 4 p.m. After the human come from work. So by that time, the human is exhausted and it feels guilty, right?

So he's going to put a flex a leash and it's going to put a harness on the dog, and the dog is going to be in front. So when a dog walks in front of you full of that energy, he's controlling the environment and controlling the relationship. He says, so that's why in dog parks, so a lot of times people like to go to dog parks to help a dog socialize. But if a dog is frustrated, bored, and it's pent up energy, what you bring into the dog park is that. So you're not going to have the social interaction that a dog should have because the dog is being inside the house. His life is not normal, that's my point. You know, so it's very, very important. Now, when people come from work, I understand, you know, I can't, I don't have time.

That's what everybody says. But when you come back from work, no touch, no talk, no contact. The dog has pent up energy. So do not greed a dog that has pent up energy. Okay, let him come down, get yourself together, go for a nice walk, put a backpack on the dog. If you have a large breed, put a backpack on a dog. If a dog wants to run, put some rollerblades, but I got a bike, you see what I mean? You got to match the energy of the dog.

Yeah. And then you can bring it to the dog park. And then you can feed them. You see what I'm saying? Because if you're giving food to a frustrated mind, you are nurturing frustration. You're rewarding that behavior. Yeah, you're rewarding that behavior. You see what I'm saying? So if you're not giving food to calm surrender state, you're actually rewarding anxiety, frustration, dominance, territorial. And you were saying about some people don't like the word discipline. What discipline is the only way you can go to the Olympics. You see what I mean? Yeah, put the practice in. Yeah. So a lot of people confused in the dog world, discipline with punishment. You see what I mean? So it's not about punishing the dog. Actually, you're punishing the dog where you don't walk the dog every day when you don't let the dog work. Yeah. You see that that's punishment to the animal world. One thing I used to do with Leroy, we play with a tennis ball or a rope or something. As he got bigger, you know, he's 170 pounds, big teeth. They can hurt somebody if he unintentionally like puts his teeth on you as you're holding a rope. If they would even like touch my hand while I would play with him, pulling the rope, I would just, I would drop the toy

and I would just ignore them and I just wouldn't look at him I just walk around the house he'd be following me around the house being like, come on, I thought we were playing I thought we were playing and I would, it felt kind of bad because you're like,

you're making your dog feel guilty about touching you with his teeth but it's a really effective teaching technique where most people like in America I think they see their dogs when they get home or just at any point they see their dog they just want to go up and pick them up

cuddle them and spoil them and that can actually be bad for the dog's behavior like real bad for their behavior Well, every time you do an action out of guilt, it's not going to be good for a human or a dog. You see what I'm saying? So that's why I'm always talking about calm, confident. So every time that I do anything for a dog is calm, confident.

And when I reward a dog is love, joy. So the four energies you should use with animals, calm confidence, to give direction, protection, and to give love is love and silence or, hey, joy, right? But most people like to do the excitement, combined with the love and no confidence. I'm confident. That's what they hire me. Yeah. Because they don't know how to give direction protection.

Do people ever get jealous of you because their dogs like you more than they like them? Because on all the shows I've seen, you come into their house and immediately the dog just like behaves. Right. And you're able to use your, the calm energy to like make the dog respect you a little bit. And then you form a very fast bond with the dog that that dog's never had with their real owner. That's right. Do the owners ever, are they ever like, yo, what's your deal, man?

You can't come into my house and just take. my dog? Well, I have to show by example that it's not the dog, right? Because everybody think, you know, it's the dog. Caesar, I got a dog that you can't. So it's never the dog because they don't rationalize, right? So when I come in, I give the dog what he doesn't get, which is calm confidence. And then the dog responds right away because it's controlled by instincts. So there is no knowledge, you know, behind instincts. It's all reaction. So their dog is going to react completely different to me, even though he just met me. You see what I'm saying? So that that's why it's important for them to see. It's not the dog.

let's focus on you yeah you see it but no one ever gets mad like if you i would imagine that like there's a little bit of jealousy it's like why is my dog likes caesar more than he likes me uh a little bit but then then they then i teach them how to do it themselves right because it's and everybody is love joy and it's also calm confident it's just people don't use confidence with a dog you know like i said to become a limpian or to become an astronaut or to become whatever you want in life you need some calmness you need some confidence right That's how you achieve things. And so we know how to do it in certain things, but we don't apply it with the dog.

Yeah. One of the things that I've seen many times you do in all of your shows is that even if there's, like, let's say there's a dog attack. Let's say a dog's almost yanking a guy off, like, you know, off his feet, almost dragging people. But as soon as you get a hold of the leash, you're able to the dog almost quits all of that behavior. Right. What is the first step do you think to, in dogs you just me, what's the first step you take? take. I know we were talking about cool calm confidence, but active like steps that even people who are struggling could take to sort of have that improvement. So the closest thing to what I do

is how people walk horses. Right. So when they walk a horse, the horse is behind the human. So in my mind, I'm going to, I'm already telling the dog, you're going to follow me. Right. So you have to visualize what you're going to do. And the dog senses something different. Then the second thing I do is I put the leash all the one in the top or I create a holter. right like a horse and so as soon as you put the leash all the way in the top you remove the nose away from the ground and now you're in control of the eyes so now you have the eyes the nose and the ears i'm sorry the nose and the eyes right so 60% of the brain is controlled by nose 15% is controlled by eyes and they're born like that nose eyes ears so when a dog is born he burns with the nose open 15 days later they open the eyes

21 days later to open the ears nose eyes so i control nose eyes you see what i mean and then i tell them to follow me. That's it. And that's what the, that's what the brain is getting versus they, you want to go for a walk? They put the leash out the way here or they put a harness, you know, and then they go into explore mode versus follow. So it's three, three activities that dog needs to do. Follow, play, explore. I reward with play or explore, but I begin with follow. You see? So just people can walk a horse. A kid can walk a horse because the horse is conditioned to follow before he plays or explore. Yeah. What happens? happens if the dog's walking behind you but then stopping to sniff something and just kind

of refuses to walk with you and just wants to keep sniffing because that's move faster move faster yeah disappear because he needs the pack so so the reason the difference between a cat and the dog is the dog needs the pack you see it so at the moment the pack moves away you don't even have to say let's go he is it creates a survival mechanism right so the worst thing you can do is call the dog in the park because he's not going to come and nose is in the ground but as soon as you move away the eyes are going to look for you, and then the nose is going to go look for you. You see?

Even one on a leash? Huh? Even one on the leash? Oh, the leash, well, the only reason why he got distracted is because it's too much loop in the leash. Okay. You see it? So when a dog is in a follower state,

that's all he's doing. Okay. So that means the leash have to be short and intense. So if you watch how I walk a dog is short and a tense, two fingers on the leash, and the dog stays, you know, in a follower state. The best thing you can do for a dog is to take him for a long walk, focusing on following you, not focus on

sniffing the ground. You see it? Because that distracts them. You know what dogs are really well trained for the most part is dogs of homeless people? That's right. They're always like, they don't need a leash. They just follow their person around all the time. They're usually very calm from what I've seen.

Yeah. I don't know if that's just because like all the dogs that aren't good at following their owner, they just run away. But the ones that I see... Well, they're bored and they're bored. Yeah, the ones that I see, they look very happy. That's right. And they all have passed. They have a job. That's true.

A lot of them wear like backpacks. That's right. Yeah. The homeless people have great dogs off leash. And then the people with disabilities, blind people also have a dog next to them. Right? So humans with disabilities, you know, human who are blind and the homeless people are a perfect example of a dog following human.

One is handicapped and the other one is homeless. But the dogs don't view them that way. The dog are viewing them. I'm following this human. So that's their back leader. Yeah. Interesting. I read an interview where you said that.

humans follow instability. Yeah. We're the only species that follow unstable leaders. Like we love instability. We have learned to follow instability. It's exciting, right? I don't know if it's exciting. I think that's all we've been doing for hundreds of years.

Yeah. We're the only species that literally follow unstable leaders, you know? Because in order for you to be considered a leader in the animal world, you have to be the most honest first. You have to prove it first. So in a political world, you're done. Yeah. You have to actually demonstrate some sort of merit.

Honest integrity, loyalty. pursuit of happiness, live in the moment. That's your spirituality. Yeah, it's like when you watch an old TV show or a show that's about like the medieval times, it's usually like a warrior becomes their king or their leader because everyone loves them and respects them. Right, because he's done the work. Because they've seen that, okay, this person, and that's how dogs operate.

It's like this person is demonstrating qualities of a leader, therefore I will follow. And then another point of animals, which we should learn at one point in life. They've been following female or male, right? in the elephant world, they follow female source. And the bees that follow female and the ants that follow female. So it has nothing to do with gender. It's who has the calm, comfort, love, joy energy. That's who become the leader, female or male.

So I want to touch a little bit on your history, on your past, because I haven't heard you talk about that much. But when you're growing up, when did you realize that you were able to deal with dogs in a way that maybe other people weren't able to do? and when did you decide to make that into a career? When I came to America. Yeah, I mean, I grew up watching a show called Lassie and Rintin Tine.

So I thought all dogs in America were just like Lassie and Rintin. Movie stars, you know what I mean? Because I was a kid. I was a kid, and I thought every dog in America was just like Lassie or Rintin Tine. So I never thought that dogs in Mexico were my teachers or they were totally fine, you know?

And so I came to America and then I saw people not be able to walk a dog you know you knock on the door get the dog put him in the bathroom yeah you know what i mean so it's like that it was a big production for people to open the door and you know when i saw people walking dogs i was in then dog fights and dog parks there's something here that is not normal you know and that's when i opened my first dog psychology center in south central los angeles where i started rehabilitating dogs and people used to say nobody's going to come to the hood and that's where the show was born in the hood.

So when you were growing up, the way that you would interact with dogs was no different from how everybody else in your town would do it. Exactly. So, exactly. So nobody has problems with dogs into our country. That's not a health is a problem. Education is a problem. You know, political things are a problem.

Food is a problem, but nobody has dog problems. Why do you think that is? What do you think is it about Americans that make us so bad at raising dogs? I think they, they, nowadays, they move into. a relationship with a dog from an emotional point of view versus knowledge, right? So knowledge first and then is the emotion. So when you give the emotion, it's for the right reason, at the right time, because timing means a lot, even when you give a treat to a dog, has to be at the right time for the right

reason. Otherwise, you can actually nurture anxiety. You can actually nurture fear. You can actually nurture, you know, tension. Because I see in a lot of people when the dog is shaking and they're petting him. You're giving affection to shaking. Yeah. You see it?

Or they're trying to change it with a treat. giving affection to a dog being nervous. You're nurturing that state of mind. Do you think that Americans don't show each other enough love? And that's why we crave it from our pets. We just shower our animals with affection because we don't do it enough in our day-to-day lives? Well, I think it's a little bit of that, you know, because a lot of times, you know, I come to people's homes and I say, it's my husband. And they talk about the dog. But the husband, the real, like, human husband is right there. I don't know. episode where a dog with the husband can't go in the bedroom because the dog will go after

him. Yeah. You see it? And this, I know, I know. It's a little bit deeper maybe than. It's a little fulfillment. I mean, the most typical word for a dog is baby, right? The dog is my baby, right? And, and the person has children, like human children, but they favor the dog. You know, I don't know if you remember the episode with Bandit. And as a little chihuahua with this, her children couldn't come close to her and she will protect the dog instead of her own which is not normal yeah yeah it's not normal not to protect your own kind it's not normal yeah include others but not to practice not protection your own kind yeah i think my favorite episode was uh there was it's probably been like 15 years as i've seen it but there was a guy that he liked to go into his garage and work on his

bike oh yeah you remember that one yes and and the dog would always bark at him when he would go into the garage to work on his bike and it turned out that the dog got mad at him because the wife would like roll her eyes be like oh god he's working on his fucking bike again and the dog picked up on that and then started taking her emotions out on him and he just like go touch his bike pump and the dog would be like stop it stop it that's right that was that was such a funny episode because as it went on you realize they're just in a very unhappy relationship with each other right now and that's maybe what you should work on first and the dog is following that that That's why I do an assessment and evaluation.

That's why I like to come to people's home, feel the energy, you know, how they talk to each other, how the kids connect to the parents, you know, and the dog is going to snitch right away. The dog is going to say, you know, we're dysfunctional. We don't listen to each other. You know, this is the energy in this house and all of that stuff. But I always like to ask the people, you know, so I can see if they're really aware of what they're doing wrong. Yeah. You know, so then when I break it down, I say, well, you know, the energy is not right.

the agreement is not right, and the follow-through is not good. Most people don't really walk together as a family with the dog, and that's actually the most important activity, you know, where the dog actually sees the mom, the dad, the kids in front of the walk, and the dog becomes the follower. That's what you gain the true leadership position. Yeah, you just have to put yourself in that role sometimes. Even if you don't feel it, if you have a new dog, you just put yourself in that role

when you go out on your walk and eventually it becomes second nature and the dog will follow you. Well, that's how the homeless do it and the handicapped people do it. Yeah. They're being followed by their dogs. Yep. You're on a walk. The dog is lucky enough to come along with you, right? You can see it that way or that's your responsibility?

Uh-huh. You see what I'm saying? I like to put it more in a responsibility. I don't just have dogs. I have llamas, alpacas, and we all go for a packwalk. I mean, all the animals, we all go together because that's how they become family. Otherwise, the alpacas will go with alpacas. They have donkeys with the donkeys.

Yeah. Only human can put different species together. Do some of your animals think that there are different species? Or do they know? Does a donkey know when they're walking with a long? If they hang out more with a different kind, they start imitating the behavior. You know, it's like dogs with humans, they go on the couch. That's not natural.

Right. And they watch TV. That's not natural, you know, but that's what they see human do. And there's nothing else to do. So they imitate. A lot of how we learn is imitation. Right. You know what I mean?

A lot of what we do is imitation. So as humans, we project a lot of our emotions onto our dogs. that's something that we naturally do. Big T has a visual demonstration that I think you like to get into because there's two particular dogs that mean a lot of things to a lot of people coming up next weekend. So do you know who either of these two dogs are? Not not yet. All right. So on the left is smoky. He's a blue tick hound. He's the mascot for the University of Tennessee. Good nose. On the right is Uggah. I believe he's an English bulldog and he's the mascot for the University of Georgia. So I just wanted to to gauge just off. You don't know either of these two dogs. Who's a good dog? Maybe is one

of these a bad dog? What you think about these two? The bulldog is already having a really strong eye contact is focused on in the hound. I mean, he's going to get in trouble from the nose. But the eye contact is really, really sweet right now. So which of these two, just from what you've seen, would you say, is the better dog? Well, they're all, I mean, and the hands on the right handler, they both really good, you know, but the, the picture in the eye contact right now, the bulldog has a fixation in the eyes and the cunehound has just a relaxed eye contact. Oh, that's not good. Yeah, the bulldog's more disciplined, the hounds. He's kind of ugly, though, right? The bulldog is kind of ugly, though. But gets it done. Well, you know,

it's just what you like. Smokey's such a beautiful dog, though. But the nose is going to get him The nose is going to get him in trouble. It's going to make him too curious. The one has an amazing nose. The other one is he just used it for breathing. You know what I'm saying? But what makes a dog a dog is his nose. And so that's what's going to get him in trouble.

Okay. If you don't control the nose, like he can pick up a pizza a mile away, takes off. Okay. Yeah, he's going to get distracted. And the bulldog is going to be attracted by sight. And then if you don't snap him out of the fixation,

that's what they call bulldogs, right? So they go into a fight mode. So one goes into tracking mode, the other one goes into fight mode. So you have to control the intensity of what the brain is becoming. Otherwise, you can lose them both. Got it. Have you ever met or dealt with a dog that without past trauma or anything has been unfixable, has been untrainable? And in your eyes was like, this is.

I don't really focus too much on training, you know, because I work with a lot of police dogs. They need rehab, right? So those guys are trained. So sit down, stay a come here, by work. But they can be around children or other dogs, right? So that dog can't really retire properly. You know what I mean? Because they don't trust them around.

So a police dog, when he retired, he needs to retire with the handler, with his family. But that guy knows that that dog hasn't been around children or other dogs. You see it? So the normal life of retirement is family with other dogs. So I helped them to go back into a natural state of mind. mind, you know, so they can properly retire. Now, the idea will be for a dog to never lose his natural state of mind and not become like just super trained. They become robots. You know, so I also work with a lot of dogs that come from war zones and they develop PTSD, just like

a human, right? So you, so you can make a human soldier, but not a soldier human. So the transition is super important because then you want to come back and be with the family and just normal life, You know, but if your mind can connect to the spirit, instinct, soul, mind, heart, and then you're going to have problems being and reality. That's interesting because it goes along with what our friend Uncle Chaps was saying. Uncle Chaps, he was a dog trainer in the military for many years. He actually wanted me to ask you a question about this. He was saying that since you've done the show and the feedback that you've received, do you put more validity into actual emotions of dogs like fear, stress, anxiety, or even depression? or do you still view all problems as pack-related issues?

It sounds like with the PTSD, like there is an element that is, you know, dogs can have mental issues that they have to deal with that aren't related to the back. Because they live with humans who are focusing on just being a machine. Train, train, train, train, train, train, train, train. It's very intellectual, right? And so normal life is you feel your spirit, you feel your instinct, you feel your heart, you know, versus just train, train, train, train, train. you're in your mind you don't practice emotions right so so that's not normal for you that's not

healthy for you right and so that that's just environmental right and so for me i just bring the dog i remove the dog away from that human i bring into my ranch and then that dog begins to experience a completely different energy different philosophy different activities slowly the dog recovers so it's easier for a dog to recover because they don't have the rationality versus the human retains the past and wants to know the future. Yeah. You see what I'm saying? And an animal is just in the moment.

So the only thing you have to change is the moment. Yeah, just make them focus on. That's it. Just focus on a new environment with a new philosophy and new activities. Right? We take him to the beach. He's hanging out with lamas like things. And the war zone would never happen.

You know, a police dog would never do. They don't allow them to be social. Yeah. You see what I mean? So I just bring it back to like if they were a pub and then just help him recover the childhood, the adolescent, and then 21 days later, the dogs are, okay, I'm normal. Did you ever get in touch with the White House about Major Biden? Many times.

So what happened with that? Because I wanted to fix that dog, too. I was like, I liked that dog. It was kind of a rascal, right? What we find in about that is they don't have a safety protocol for dogs in the White House because that's not the first time a dog bites in the White House. So it's not a Republican thing. It's not a Democrat thing.

It's just they don't have a safety protocol. So the CIA, the FBI, and the Secret Service don't have a safety protocol for dogs that come and live in the White House. Right. So I did, you know, we send them a letter and say, listen, let me, somebody else can take the dog. Let me have the humans. You know, let me teach the humans so they can understand nose, eyes, ears, stress, respect, love, rule, bond limitations, you know, no touch, no talk, no account, all this stuff that is important to have, especially because dogs are going to come and live there. They don't know they live with the president of the United States. No, they don't know.

They just know the energy in the environment. So that White House has the most stressful energy on Earth. I would imagine. And they end up getting rid of Major. They sent Major to a farm upstate or whatever. I haven't seen proof of life of that dog. That's not a good choice. That's not a good thing for us to see.

No. We should see, okay, let's all change so we can have the same agreement, same commitment, same follow-through. And so we show that major is not the problem. We were the problem. So that's a good leadership. I agree. They brought in a new dog too. And they're acting like this dog's going to be better.

They got the exact same dog. It's just younger. That's right. And okay, this one's name is Commander Biden and it's going to be totally a better dog. No, it's going to the same environment as Major was in. It's going to be pooping on the floor within like two days just like Major was. Well, you know, what I look at is when the dog is walking in the White House, is a dog in front or behind, right? Or coming out of Air Force One, who's in front?

The dog. So every time you see a president, you see a dog in front of the president. That's not a good look. Yeah. That's not a good look. That shouldn't be because people are watching that and they imitate that. Yep. You see what I'm saying?

That's very true. You see, nobody imitates the homeless or the handicapped people. Everybody imitates Hollywood, Wall Street, or politicians. We can all learn from each other sometimes. It doesn't matter what your job is or your station. Who has the best energy? Who has the best connection, you know, and who has the best strategy? That's pretty much what comes down to it.

Yeah. Billy? What's your opinion with breed specific behaviors? And some people, because as a bully breed owner, there's a lot of, you know, dog racist people. Yeah. Like they're, you know, that dog's going to attack somebody. Is that what you call it? We call dog, dog races.

There's a lot of dog races. There's a lot of racists. Yeah. It's really bad. Okay. Yeah. But, um, uh, with that you believe in it, like, are there some dogs, if there is an example that might surprise people because I for one think poodles, they're hunting dogs and everyone

keeps them in apartments and then they go to the dog park and they're on edge and they're, you know, going after other people's dogs. And then there's all these hypoallergenic poodle mixes, which have a little bit of that hunting dog in them and cause a little bit of ruckus. So in my opinion, I think poodles are a problem. No, the problem is always a human, right? So in order for the dog to have a good social moment,

they all have to practice same rules, boundaries, limitations. Right? So regardless of the breed, so the good social behavior does not come from the breed. Breed is just a skill being bred because back in the days we needed it. But now we don't. We just need a companion, right? And so some people like certain breeds, but you don't need the skill anymore, right?

That dog doesn't have that job anymore. So his job now is just to wait for human. You know what I mean? So what we have to understand is we should not nurture bad breeding because that's what a lot of puppy meals shouldn't be allowed because that's what that's what they don't attention to genetics, it's very few breeders with good ethics because they're going to breed exactly the right state of mind. You can breed state of mind, you know what I mean? But the rest of the people just breed for money. So that's why a lot of the powerful breeds, when they're bred the wrong way, they can breed anxiety, they can breed a game dog, you know, when a dog is going

to go live in the city. We don't need that anymore, you know. We never needed it, in my opinion. you know the human invented this breeds and so we're responsible of making sure that we set the right rules by limitation so I have different breeds and it's never a problem you know I rehabilitated a lot of dogs they have fought before you know dog fighting and they go right back to being a dog to me it's animal dog breed name so I don't really care about the breed you know we are as part of the animal kingdom human race name so when we have problem it's not the race it's it's the human has a problem you know what I mean so that's where you can go to a psychologist and just cultural you can learn some stuff you can you know you can be influenced by certain things but

overall is is the human in you yeah so I'm finally reaching a point where I think I'm ready to get a new dog so it's been a couple years and after a while like it's painful but you start to think of your dog your old dog and you start to be happy before you're sad yeah you know think of those memories I've finally reached that place which is good I'm going to be moving out of New York City a little bit, I'm going to be getting a new dog soon. You always talk about how most behaviors are correctable, but is there anything that you should look for? Like if you were looking to get a new dog, one that you were going to be adopting, are there any behaviors that you would look for while you're getting to know them for the first time? You put them on the lease

for the first time. You see them interact with other dogs for the first time. Any behaviors that you think are more desirable than others? I always speak middle of the pack dogs. So all my dogs that I bring into my life, they're middle of the pack. They're born natural, happy go lucky. So there's three positions and a litter. Front of the pack, that's the one they call a pick of the litter. And then middle of the pack, that's what people call pet quality. And then the back of the pack is the run of the litter. So it's three positions in the pack. And it doesn't matter what breed it is. So you go into a litter and you're going to see front, middle, back. So the middle is the HR of the pack. So there's naturally happy go lackey. That's

matter what breed they are. They're always going to do. That's why all my pit bulls are happy or lucky. You see what I mean? Yeah, yeah, I get that. So you can have a mastiff, a border collie. The front of the pack, they're more for protection direction. So in the litter of German Cheppers, only one of that litter can be a police officer. The other ones are pet quality. You see what I mean? Yeah. So only one can go to the West Minister. And a litter of, you know, a whole bunch of beagles. Only one can go. The other ones are pet quality. You see what I mean? Yeah. So only one can go. The other ones are pet quality. Yeah, interesting. Now, what about the runts? Because my dog was the smallest of the litter. And what are their qualities relative? Alert. They're the back. They're the most sensitive

of all, right? So their job is to alert the pack about things. That's why the sensitivity, if they're not in the right home, they can go into fear, insecurity, uncertainty, they're shy. You know what I mean? So those are those are the most sensitive of the pack. So three state of mind that I teach people. happy-go-lucky, calm-confident. Cam-surrender is your superpower. That's where you're the most sensitive of all. That's when you can do the assessment and evaluation. Happy-go-lucky, you're celebrating something.

Calm-confident is when you're giving direction protection to something. You see what I mean? So the back of the pack are the masters of calm-surrender. The middle, the master of happy-go-lucky in the front of the master of calm-confident. But only human can play the three positions. That's interesting.

You see it? Yeah, yeah. In the pack of dogs, the back of the pack can never play the front. And if he does, he's going to be a fear-biter. Yeah. He's just, he's put into that position. He's not confident. No, he wasn't born for it.

He's not wired for it. Yeah. He's wired to be in the back. And there's nothing wrong with it. There's too extremely happy. They're super, that's what you need the back, the middle, and the front. And then you have a complete back. That makes sense.

So I want to talk about the halo that you have here. So you co-founded this. It's a GPS dog safety system and the only wireless fence that keeps your dog protected everywhere they go in the yard at the beach, at the park on a hike. Don't take your dog. Dogs to fireworks displays. We always like to remind people on this show. If you have like a new dog, don't take it to the Fourth of July.

Not a good place for dogs. But you want to tell us like what this dog color does. It's different. Because you said Fourth of July, the whole world is going to stay in the Fourth of July. So the guys, just desensitize your dog before, 4th of July means when the dog is happy, play 4th July sounds. Yeah. You know, when the dog is eating and he's content, he's relaxed, play for the july. That's called desensitizing.

Get them to love fireworks. That's right. getting to identify the sound of firework with happiness or calmness. That's a good idea. Okay, so we got that out of the way. You should do that before, like right now, so they have time to start getting acclimated to liking fireworks. Yeah, don't start working for the July a week before.

Right. That requires, especially with back-of-the-packed dogs. You said those are the ones that suffer the most. Okay, so, and that's when most dogs actually get lost, and that's one of the reason we invented Halo because, you know, first of all the GPS, so you know where your dog is all the time. So when I come in, I came in, okay, this is what people need when they're not home. They need something that reminds the dog, the rules, the boundaries, the limitations, right?

So literally the future is here, right? And then when you go outside, what you need help with is how do I walk my dog? When I play with my dog, you know, what's the rules, balance, limitation, and explore, follow, play, explore. So once you have a tool or technology that reminds the dog to stay super grounded, super primal, and it allows the connection with you, you're going to have the freedom that, that the homeless people have and people with disabilities have is that that natural connection of trust, respect, love. And that was very important to me. And especially, you know, you will always know what your dog is. Awesome. Yeah, check it out. It's the halo collar. And you can find

it. Where can they find it online? What's the website for it here? It's got the app that goes along with it so you can use Caesar's training techniques on your dog. Please follow the instructions. It's super important. Yes, follow the instructions. Absolutely. And you can see Caesar on better human, better dog on National Geographic. That's right. And Disney Plus soon. And which one? Disney Plus.

Disney Plus? Yes. Check them out. And also just if you want to just ever binge watch the old episode of Doggless Bird, it's great. Do it. It's great television. So did you have any more questions, Billy? Got a couple.

Okay. Maybe just one or two. But there's a lot of people, you know, a lot of people got new dogs to the pandemic. Yeah. They're going to the dog parks. And they're getting into situations that they don't, you know, aren't quite prepared for. So let's say there is like a dog fight or a dog attack. What steps would you take to break it up and sort of the best way possible if someone's in that situation?

First of all, I like to address the part where those dogs that were adopted during the pandemic were there before the pandemic, right? So these people went in an adopted dog because they were bored, right? And they always have it in mind, but they never followed through. Right. So it's an emotional and it's also selfish, right? And so with that in mind, you have to understand that a dog is already sensing that you're not coming with the right knowledge, right? So that means you're not ready, right? So, okay, so now you know you're not ready because I like people to take full responsibility of their actions.

Because a dog doesn't rationalize, so you can never blame a dog, right? And then once you go into a dog park, I think it's very important that you learn to assess and evaluate what energy is in the dog park. I have two kids. And before I actually send them to preschool, I went. and assess and evaluate was the energy in the pre-school. You see what I mean? Don't just throw the kid into this preschool or don't just throw a dog into a dog park

not knowing what the energy is. Those humans talk to each other. Because a lot of times where people go to the dog park, they go on their phone or their coffee and the dogs are unsupervised. You see what I'm saying? So you have to see that because that's the environment you're bringing your dog in.

So that way you're not do 50-50. Maybe yes, maybe not. You're gambling the dog life. you see what I'm saying so you make sure that you number one you assess and evaluate the place and dog parks have like different energy times because the people in the morning are for the most part very responsible right then you got the 10 a.m. which is the dog walkers come just throw all the dogs there then you got the 12 the people that are really responsible because they'd rather go to take the dog to the dog park than they have lunch, right?

And then you got the four, those are tired. They're just tired. They feel guilty, and they just throw the dog there. So I understand that it has like a certain level of energy that the people actually practice. You know what I'm saying? And of course, the idea will be that everybody in the dog park understand the same rules by limitations,

they understand which dog is compatible to each other. And all the humans should talk to each other. Don't stay away from each other. because then the dog observed, oh, we're here to stay away from each other. You see what I mean? And some people are, like you say, some people, if you bring a Rodwiler in it,

immediately people get tense just because he's a Rodwiler. Or you bring a mastiff, if you're in a pit bull, and then at the moment you see the shift, remove the dog away from there. Yeah. Honestly, I don't even bring my dog. He's an American bulldog, and tons of smaller dogs and different dogs

just don't like him when he walks in. He's not dog aggressive. But just dogs that don't know him, like even walking on the street, they start barking at him. He, I've trained him well just to, like, maintain, what will we talk about? Ignore. Ignore. Yeah. Maintain attention.

And I think it's because a lot of irresponsible owners. But one thing he does struggle with, skateboarders. I, that's one of those things. Squirrels and skateboarders, have them on the leash, have a good control of him. But when they come out, he tries to jump and dart at them. Oh, so he has braid drive. Yeah. So I've tried to distract them from and I always correct them.

Well, what tool are you using? What tool? Yeah, I got a pinch collar. Okay. So if you can switch it, but see it, a pinch with excitement, irritates. So if you can put a halter, like the one for the horses, that actually sends them into more following. They're looking around because your dog is a scouting. You see it?

That means his eyes are moving, right? That's, you know, and that's why he's paying attention to the, to the skateboard or the squirrel. So that means his brain is like this, even if he's walking, you know, so watch. That's what I was watching the dog's eyes. You know, it's a picture. So the best read you can have is the ice, right? Or maybe the ears if the mouth is open. But in this case, the eyes were telling how the dogs were feeling at that moment, right?

So when a dog goes after squirrels or skateboard, that means the prey derive is open. Huh. right and that that's what you're having problems so if you put the halter you're going to redirect the dog to focus on the halter so then you can start bringing skateboards once the dog is totally focused and or passing by squirrels and and you but start with the skateboard because once you achieve the skateboard is you can ask him for the same behavior towards the squirrel okay yeah that's when you can control the squirrels you can the thing is you i never see skateboarders that much but when it happens yeah but when you bring your friends yes that's what you have

have to do that you know a rehabilitation is like a movie right you have to create the scenario and then control it that's why i have the ranch so i can okay what you do my dog is afraid of okay let's bring some ducks or let's bring some chickens or let's bring something out there's gonna trigger the same thing but i'm in control you see it and so that that way we help the dog we help the dog and then the human gets comfortable understands and then he goes practice in the real case scenario yeah billy it sounds like you need cooler friends that skateboard that's what It sounds like to me, you don't have any friends that are just sick with it. No, it's like you socialize your dog, you train your dog, and then one day a skateboarder comes

by and you're just like, didn't predict that was going to happen. Well, go to Venice Beach, it's full of it. Yeah, you need cooler friends, Billy. That's the issue, I think. You know, when I do a lot of, especially bordercullies, because they were bred for hurting, right? And so I, as the moment they said, my dog attacks skateboarders, let's go to Venice Beach. Yeah. And I put it right in it right away.

You know what I mean? To me, the way out is the way in. So I just faced the bull, you know, grab the bull by the horn. And that's it. And so the dog is super comfortable right away. Then the human does it. And that's it. Very cool.

All right. We're going to let you go. Thank you for stopping by. I have one last, last question. Go ahead. Who's the best dog of all time? What is the best dog? I have to say mine because I knew him for 16 years, Daddy.

Daddy. Daddy. He's a legend. We changed the world together, you know? I mean, we went all over the world, and people were afraid of pit bulls at that time, and people fell in love with Daddy. I mean, everywhere I go, how's Daddy? You know, when I told him they passed away, everybody started crying.

Yeah. So literally, you know, to me, last thing, didn't change my life. And Daddy practically changed the world's life. That is a very cool thing to think about. Like, it's, he made a tangible impact on how dogs, like my personal dog, Leroy was trained in the way because I saw you on television working with your dogs. Can I tell you a story before Daddy passed away? You guys are going to love this.

So this is how cool this dog was. So here I am. Daddy's 16. You can see he's about to go. And I'm working with this dog that is trained to find cell phones in jail, right? And the dog developed fear to people. So the guy called me, says, he's right. It's nothing I can do.

I don't know anything about, you know, rehabilitation. So please help me. So I go in and the dog is complete shut down under a table. So the worst thing you can do is pull them or carry them. Right? And then I said, it's only one that can, if it's going to make it happen, it's only one. And that is in my RV and he's like ready to come out, okay? He's like, he sensed that I needed him.

I went and opened the door. He came out like a puppy. And he went, he's never been there. He went and looked for the dog, touched the dog nose. The dog got up, followed, and take him to the RV. That's the kind of, that's like, that's the thing. That's what I'm saying. like i seen this dog taking you know bites from another dog he just takes it yeah he just it's a bit

you know he's big big guy never retaliate he just stayed right there and then once the dog stopped he went and lick him yeah talk about like literally like don't you feel that the bully the bully breeds are sort of a little more like of emotion not emotional dog but have better emotional uh like connection with people and other dogs in a way well they were not bred to go after humans Right. Yeah. But they have just like a better, I don't know, I just feel like they're more, they show happiness. They're happier dogs, but. Well, you know, there is two kinds of dogs. Well, three, I guess. It's the spiritual dogs, you know, as the just the dog dog, junior. And then it's the emotional one, right? And so right now, my spiritual dog is a French. Oh. Yeah. I named him vizen because my spiritual animal is a buffalo. And so this guy knows exactly how I feel. Way before. anything. So as he comes to me,

he looks at me, just like Daddy. And then you got the dog dog, you know, just a regular dog. He loves the beach. He loves everything. Daddy didn't like the beach whatsoever. He just make a big hole in the beach like a seal and that was it. That was him going to the beach. But Junior, he was a surfer. Yeah.

You know, so in a way Junior was way more fun when it came to it, but the one that was way more deeper, it was Daddy. So you got the deep one, you got the spiritual one, and then you got the loving ones. But they're all, you know, they're all great. That's great. That's a great answer. And I also love it when people name their dogs after other animals. Yeah. Like whether there's a dog named

bear or Oso or something like that, that's always fun. All right. So, season Milan, check them out. Better Human, Better Dog on National Geographic and co-founder of the Halo Collar. Thank you for coming in. The future is here. Really appreciate it. Caesar was brought to you by Shady Rays. I love Shady Rays. The official sunglasses of me. The official sunglasses of Billy. The official sunglasses is a big teen. else on macro noticing. We love Shady Rays. Their sunglasses offer an industry best

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All right. So that does it for macrodosing for today. I love you guys. Thank you for tuning in. Did we want to do any voicemails or should we wait until? Let's wait. Do we talk about a neuralink? Yeah, we could save that.

But I do think we should give a good luck to the Vols this weekend. It's a big one. Even though Caesar picked the bulldog. So I thought about that. At first I thought it was not good, but now I think it actually is. Because what he was saying is Smokey's will to hunt. Like it's a hunting dog. He's going to be running all over the place.

He wants to be doing something. That fat, lazy fuck, Uggah is just laying in his air-conditioned doghouse. So he's like, yeah, that's a good dog. He's not going to give you any trouble. He's saying Smokey is getting after it. He's hungry. He was distracted, though. He's maybe reading his press clippings.

I don't think so. I think his eye is on the prize. He's ready to go. Saying smells like 98. Could. Yeah. Last time we were number one. Does it feel like 98?

Oh my God. I just found out. Yeah. I don't know what Billy just found out. I just saw a video of Hasbola next to Liver King saying I saw that. I'd rather take a photo with the dog. Yeah. What?

Dude, Hasbola, I'm afraid of Hasbola. I know. Mental alpha. All right. We'll see you guys on Monday. Aaron, are you playing golf this weekend? I've been playing golf every day for the last, like, month, honestly. How close are you to breaking 80?

Oh, I would say in the next two months, I can break 80. Damn. All right. We got to get you featured in some golf content then. We got it. So I'm playing Tori Pines. We're going to see what in the next week and a half, two weeks I'm playing Tori Pines. So we're going to see if we can finagle some kind of content out of that.

That would be lit. All right. Sounds good. All right. Love you guys. Bye.