Macrodosing: Arian Foster and PFT Commenter - Moon Landing

Episode Date: February 8, 2022

On today's episode of Macrodosing, the crew is short PFT and Billy, but they take on the Moon Landing and all the conspiracies that carry with it. From the fake flag to Buzz Aldrin not swearing on the Bible, you'll hear it all. Also, Arian, Coley and Big T discuss the recent news surrounding Joe Rogan, and how it affects the world. All of this and much more on the show.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/macrodosing

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must be 20 months years old to purchase please use responsibly. Hey, yo, welcome back to macro dosing. I'm filling in as the curator for our guy. Where are they going on the road trip, right? Yeah, they're in LA. They're in LA. Are they already there? Yeah.

All right. So PFT and Billy doing weird shit on the road and they couldn't make this episode. they actually hit me on the way and asked me for because I grew up in Albuquerque so they asked me for some food recommendations did we tweet in that video that Arian sent? No, I can though. They said they're going to put it in

the part of my take vlog but I can tweet it too. It was funny. Arrian just sent a video instead of typing out a bunch of shit he just said it in a video about how white people can handle spicy food. Did you see what PFT wrote about that? Yeah. No, what do you say? PFT so Billy and PFT have been blogging

the entire trip every day recaps and PFT said Aaron told us to be careful and to get things not as spicy since we're not used to it he was really dancing

around the fact that he doesn't think white people can eat hot food which is very racist of him but if I had spent my entire life working around guys like

Brock Osweiler Matt Schaub and Brandon Wheaton I think white folks couldn't handle heat either I don't think he danced around it I think he said it

explicitly he was like white people yeah white people don't like spicy food. And I don't even think it's, that's not racist. It's definitely no, it's not. I think

I think, I think it's a pretty accurate summation of our culture and subcultures in America, right? I mean, Big T, what kind of spicy foods are you, like, accustomed to? I like spicy shit. I don't like...

What is spice to you? Like, I don't know, like really hot wings, like stuff like that. Like, I... That's what I'm saying. Like, I think that's... Like, you were describing it as like a different like feel i guess so i don't know what you well like it's it's chili right it's called hash green chili and they have um they have red chili as well right and it's a different type of chili than you're used to like so when you hear chili you probably think of like in a bowl with meat and beans and shit like that or maybe chili peppers right but it's just a different

kind of feel which it is a chili pepper but it's a different type of feel and so um for my experience white folks usually like culturally unless they live around Mexicans or Dominicans or whatever the case may be, they don't really, that's not really they bag, right? That's not really they, like, I didn't, you know, I don't think it's that controversial, but it's a really, it's a really like distinct taste in the Southwest. So it's like, it's like the four, what they call the four corners. It's New Mexico, Arizona, Denver, and Utah in that kind of place, and not so much in Utah, but like those kind of areas where native cultures, Native Americans lived in that style of food where it's like really, really

smothered. Everything is, like, really smothered. It's very distinct in the Southwest, so I feel like they... Oh, sorry, Coley. I saw this tweet right after, like, right after you sent that video. It's, uh, it went viral. It says, I think the white people don't like spicy food thing, mostly

applies to middle to upper class whites, because every redneck I know buys hot sauces with names like asshole prolapser and shit liquefire every time they go to Ace Hardware. It could be, man. That could be. I'd be the case, you know? Class and race are are really linked in this country.

But, yeah, man. Tap it in, man. What's going on with y'all? Has there a weekend been? How was the national holiday, the Pro Bowl weekend? You've played in the Pro Bowl, right? Yeah, I did. I don't know if you saw any of the clips,

but this was the most, like, they were just blowing the whistle dead if defenders were getting near guys. Like, no tackles were really made. Yeah, I mean, there's just no point of the. I've always said that when I was there. I got, I, maybe I told the story on this podcast, but this is a funny story, though. So we had a Pro Bowl and three running backs for the ASC was me, Chris Johnson, Jamar Charles.

And I got drunk every day at the pro. Again, you know what I'm saying? Like they, like we went, we went to like meetings and shit, right? And I'm just like, what do I'm not going to pay attention to this shit, man, what? And so I'm in the huddle asking the quarterback, what do I do on this player? I just couldn't care less about this shit. And so that's the majority of players' demeanor. And we go, it's the game now, and we get blown out at halftime.

It's like 35-7 or some shit like that. And I think I started. And I think Chris was second and Jamal was third. And when Jamal went in, for some reason, I guess he don't have. a first gear or a second, he was all full tilt in. So when he went in in the first half, he was like going hard. And me and CJ was like, what the fuck is wrong?

But whatever, man, I'm not doing that. And so we come in the halftime of Bill Belichick was a coach. And Bill Belichick, he goes, he goes, listen, man, I'm all for having a good time and hanging out with the family. But I'm not here to be the NFC's bitch. He said, now, we go in there. We're going to go and we do this. And do that, he say, Jamal, you're starting.

And me and Chris looked at each other like, take all the riffs. I got take them all, but I don't care. But this is really funny because it's like nobody really gives a fuck about that shit, man. But they just need to make it like a skill challenge thing. Right. And infuse like the Pro Bowl with all pro. So it means a little bit more. Yeah, I mean, like obviously I think Mack Jones is solid.

But like when I see him in the Pro Bowl, like it doesn't mean as much. much like NBA All-Star game there's only so many slots even if they're not going full tilt like football is the sport you can't really go 20% at like it just doesn't look even remotely the same baseball is the only one that like

it's the same game like the pitcher's not going to throw 60 that's going to fuck up his arm the hitters aren't going to like not swing like it's the only game that's still there's like five to 10 minutes of the NBA All-Star game that's real basketball the rest of it's Tracy McGrady throwing aloops off the backboard to himself, which is sick. I don't know why people ever complain about that. But football, yeah, I mean, they used to do like 40-yard dashes of like all the corners

and wide receivers. They used to do like Brett Farr would just throw it as far as he could. Like that's sick. People want to watch that. No one wants to watch. The only person I can remember in the last decade who did himself any favors in the Pro Bowl is Brandon Marshall. Brandon Marshall went out there and had him, I think he called like four or five touchdowns

or something and was immediately traded to a much better situation. That's wild. I don't even know that. That's hilarious. Well, you were drunk on the sideline, probably. Most likely. I always say that they have the Pro Bowl at the worst time. Like, every other sport has it during their season.

Not before, like, the championship. It's always mid-season. And there's always like an incentive to play for, right? I don't know. I just don't think you just like can't do that with football, though. Why know? Yeah, it's just because it hurts. No. Yeah.

Yeah, all right. Football is a very strategic sport as well, right? It's not just hike the ball and go put it over the line. There's so much involved. There's game planning. There's styles. There's, you know what I'm saying? There's different things that you have to account for when you're just playing pickup.

You can't. That's why you can play pickup football like that much because it's just so much involved of it in, you know, cats in the park. But it's just not the same as pickup basketball. It will never be as popular because there's so much more involved. And it's just not, it's not appealing. And to have a. game like that where cats took it seriously

on a grand scale, but the stakes are higher because you're not getting paid. I think everybody gets paid the same. If you win, you get like an extra 20K or something like that. You're not going to risk your career for like 20, 30K. You know what I'm saying? When millions potentially aren't in line. So like, pragmatically it just doesn't really make any sense.

I mean, I hate the Pro Bowl because the Patriots had a running back right after Curtis Martin. His name was Robert Edwards, came out of Georgia. The best running back, I've ever seen for the Patriots, like, comfortably. And he made the Pro Bowl as a rookie, and he was playing flag football on the beach in Hawaii and tore up his knee, never, like, he played in the CFL after that.

Like, he was done. And it's just like if he had just been not as good as a rookie, he doesn't make that flight to Hawaii as a nice, long, prosperous career. And it's just like, what the fling? I think that still, like, scares a lot of guys, like stuff like that. Sure. Are it, did you go to every Pro Bowl you got elected to? Two of them I didn't go.

And it's because I was having off-season surgeries. Oh, but you never were just like, fucking I'm not going. No, I would always go if I was, like, if I wasn't getting any surgeries, I would go. But like, if you see me in any Pro Bowl, I'm not, I don't think I sweat in any of them at all. You score in any of them? No, you have to try. Watch yesterdays. You do not.

I know if I remember the case, yeah This proble was not a good one for a fellow Tennessee running back also Oh, who whatever Oh, you didn't see Camara got it. Well, Camara got arrested At the promo? Shortly thereafter

Oh shit, what happened? Spilled a tea I believe the charge was battery resulting in severe bodily harm On February 5th at approximately 5.50 p.m., Las Vegas patrol officers were dispatched. He got in a fight at a club, and I'm looking for, I think that was the name of the charge. Yeah, battery resulting in substantial bodily harm.

And, yeah, so he... Reports are that it was really bad, that he beat up the guy really bad. Tough to see. I may have to revise my Tennessee running back power rankings, and Paderean at number one. Why would him beating somebody else having to do anything? I don't know.

There's a character clause in there. Do you like him because he's a good guy? Not because he's a baller? No, no. I mean, I love watching him, but. Yeah, like I'm sure his like Florida tight end rankings all time. Like, I'm sure certain people slid down after certain things came out. I don't know.

I've always been a proponent of, you know, separate the art from the artist. But we don't even know what happened yet. You know what I mean? No, we don't. I bet you with some dude talking shit, and you can't do that, man. I think people forget the athletes is humans and, like, we got egos too. And, I mean, granted, it's not smart for him to do that shit, right? But I don't know, man, that shit don't matter to me.

I think the bigger thing I'd be like, man, dude's going to get sued now. I hate that for him. Like, the arresting shit, that shit, fuck that shit. I don't care about that. But now you're about to get sued and that's going to cost him bread. Even if he wins it, like, he'll be a settlement or all the lawyer fees. and this is going to be a hate that shit yeah coli who wasn't in that group chat that said the NFL in Las Vegas not working well so far I mean that's just like the the correct sentiment like

they've been there like two years like is that it and it's it's it's the third fourth major thing that happened is it good the pro bowl was in Vegas yeah yeah not a good dude They'll sign off on that. What the fuck? That's crazy. It, like, from like a marketing standpoint, it makes all the sense in the world. From a consumer standpoint. Right.

Yeah, exactly. But from, like, if you really want to be, like, pragmatic about it, like, it's a terrible idea to send that many NFL players to Vegas. Like, to have a team there already doesn't look great. Because, crazy, I don't know if y'all ever been to Vegas, man, but Vegas, This is not big. It's just not like a big. I think I don't admit that the allure of it is big, but like four or five blocks make

up Vegas, dog. Yeah, it's not big at all. It's just really, it's like barren land. And so you're literally just have that much energy and that much money and that much potentially bad things like that has is not a good, this is not a good idea. And Vegas, I'll keep it a buck. It's really not that fun, man. And I could be an odd ball out right there.

It's just not that fun. Unless you're just looking to have random sex or gamble. You can't go for a while. I'll tell you two big industries, Aryan. Very popular. It just might be my, this is where I'm at, like, in my life cycle. It's just not that appealing to me anymore to stand around, get faded, and chase tail. I got me.

I was there. I ain't going on front. I was there. But I just, not anymore. But that's the other dynamic that, bothers me, though. It's like when people get, like, upset that athletes get arrested for shit like that. It's like, yo, you, you give any 20, some old kid, millions of dollars, unlimited access to whatever you want, there's always going to be issues. And so it just doesn't

make any sense for people to be surprised about shit like that. I don't know. That's just me, go. I sent this video on a group chat. You were miced up at the Pro Bowl practice. I just put time slot in because you look i mean there was a huddle and you look like the most nonchalant player of all time and you look like you asked the quarterback three questions in the matter of five seconds where to be i'm a check it out that that was actually my first pro bowl action what are like the names of the plays in the pro bowl like how complicated do they get it depends on the coach like some coaches um some coaches try to implement their system and so they'll use their uh lingo but other coaches would be like dive right dive left and you know screen right screen left

shit like that was that i bet was belichick bare bones i feel like he wouldn't want to show anyone's shit i can't remember yeah i mean there's nothing intricate like you're not going to see any blitz package pickup right you know i only think you're allowed to blitz not anymore yeah you can't yeah um so yeah it's just nothing complicated there's nothing which is why it's pointless it's literally pointless like there shouldn't be a pro bowl like i don't see the point of it just invite the players that are all pros to their family all expense paid trip to Hawaii like have some skills challenge stuff stuff like that but nobody's I don't know nobody I could be wrong but it still gets a ton of viewers because the only thing on

uh yeah that makes sense like they have the timing worked out perfectly like it's the first weekend of the year really with no football it's a society addicted to football even it not being real football people still watch people still bet a gamble on it like i don't it's just never going to go away if people keep like people would have to stop watching it for it to go away yeah that's just sucks man um boring the fuck if you if you're if you're if you're praying man put your prayers up for for avicamara in his situation i hope he don't get sued for that much money that's all i care about i think he'll be fine i'm gonna wait for the whole story to come out before i put my prayers in one direction or the other

I just hope you don't get sued, man. That's what I did. It's sad when you see young black men, you lose their money for nonsense, man. Now, I don't know about you, Big T, but when I'm pumping the iron, as me and you love to do, I hate stimulants and my pre-workout supplement. I know you used to be a big fan. The more stimulants, the better is what you'd say. But we finally got you over to the right side.

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Look at Big T, man. All right. I listened to that episode the other guy. Mine and his? Yeah. oh yeah i mean my politics i don't even remember what i said in there but my policy has changed dramatically since i retired but um which is why i don't feel like i'll ever be back on that pod but uh i don't know man before you when i go any further i just want to say y'all were actually

both like he sounded much more liberal back then like y'all were both like super making fun of like trump voters and like yeah he he sounded much more liberal than which like i think he would still tell you he's a liberal even though most people would say he's not well see i think i think you really should dive into if you care to but dive into the distinct difference between liberal and progressive like there's a very big difference and so i don't think he would be a liberal well i think he's just like a mixed bag and i and that's what we could actually do an episode on jo rogan right because his influence is immense he has such a big influence over 10 million viewers on his on his podcast right so it's he's a staple in american media it just

is what it is and really global when you when you break down the numbers and the interesting case of joe is that i think he is a bit of a chameleon when it comes to the things that he believes and that he talks about for the most part well i say i would say in certain instances right i'm not trying to pigeonholing him but i think that he kind of adapts to whoever he's talking to which is kind of the reason why he's in hot water right now to begin with like he's he's originally was what was the Spotify thing right people were trying to Neil who was it Neil Young?

Neil Young was trying to take his music off because Joe was spreading COVID misinformation COVID misinformation and then that in my opinion correct me wrong but that led to people actually looking into his podcasts previous podcast and them find it all kind of it was like well Spotify employees raised hell when they made the deal and they were like striking and shit and Spotify believe at the time removed a handful of episodes before they ever put his whole catalog on there yeah

and then like last no that was this but that was this week but like a year ago a year ago or so they removed it was less than that but it was a handful and then now they took off 70 and then that video came out. I think it's up to 110 now. Yeah. Really? Yeah. I mean, the video, so the video didn't just come out, which I found interesting.

The video went viral last year before the Spotify deal, the week after he endorsed Bernie. So it shows you kind of how full circle this has become. It was at first right-wing people trying to say that Bernie endorsers are racist. And now it went re-viral this week to be like Joe Rogan and everyone who listens to him and every comedian who threw themselves on the sword for some reason are racist. So it's really just come full circle pointing things.

Like everyone's just pointing a finger. Everyone's a Spider-Man meme right now. Yeah, everybody hates him and everybody loves him. Well, I didn't, I was unaware of all the times he, I'm talking about he threw about 70 amp bombs. I didn't know, I had no idea. Like, I don't really watch Joe like that. Y'all as a fan of him, as a human, I knew his, like, work and, not his work, but, like, his stances on psychedelic drugs.

It's kind of controversial at the time, but really eye-opening as well. And we kind of move with the media and the zeitgeist of the country, right? That's how it spurred. That's how things get spurred. So that's why I say he's an important landmark in American media. And so when I seen all that shit, I was like, it's just hard to defend, right? especially the planet of the apes shit. It's just like, it's just hard to be like, like, bro.

Do I think Joe Rogan is racist? Yeah, but I think we look at racism and I could already feel the 30,000 tweets that are going to come from this podcast listeners. Everybody's racist. But I think when we think about racism, it's just this unnuanced black and white. You hate black people shit.

And that's just not the case. Right. That's not how any scholarly or any serious human being looks at racism. Racism affects and implements its, it's, it sinks his teeth in this society in various different ways and on a spectrum. And I think if you just look at it like it's on a spectrum and not like it's either yes or no, then you can kind of start to, it could be more palatable for you to people understand like if you see something like that. It doesn't mean he's racist, right? He has prejudices. It's obvious. Right. and those can be harmful in positions of power.

And that's what people say when they say, you know, racism is prejudice versus power. I don't necessarily agree with that definition, but I understand it. And so I guess the main talking point is the whole canceled thing. Like, like, do we take them off? And I don't know about that. I'm on offense about that.

Like I would like to get Big T's thoughts on this matter because I think we have opposite viewpoint. in a lot of ways covering the subject. You mean in terms of like Spotify saying we're taking back your $100 million contract were taking you off completely? Well, not necessarily the money. I'm talking about, yeah,

but just like removing him from Spotify. I mean. Because that's what's getting called for in my. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I guess I kind of have conflict. Like Spotify's a private company if they want to do that and they feel it's in the best interest of their business.

Like go for it, I guess. But I don't think that's what they should do. necessarily now if I guess it comes down to like how egregious you find what he's done

and supposed to have done I don't think if that video came out if that was the only thing I don't know do you think people are more upset about that or the COVID stuff I think it's a wide range it depends

I still think it's like the COVID thing Like, I don't think if all that happens beforehand, like, I certainly think it's in the news and is a big deal. I don't think it's as big of a deal. Yeah. I mean, it came out a year ago. No one would care. Right.

Yeah, no, I don't disagree with you. I think it, like I said, it's a wide variety. Like, I think, because there's a lot of black folk, a lot of black folk who are anti, I don't say anti, but they're really against vaccine mandates or vaccines in general, right? They have an intrinsic distrust with the medical community, right? And rightfully so, rightfully so, because this government has absolutely done abhorrent things to our community as test subjects, right? Documented, right? And so that has reverberated throughout our lineage and through our generations.

And so they have an active distrust for the medical community. So I don't think the COVID stuff would bother a lot of black folks. And I'm sure a lot of the, all the M-bombs wouldn't bother a lot of black folks. But there are some who would be like, fuck that dude. like they don't it is so it's like a wide variety to answer your question yeah most of most of my timeline and I know that's a small portion of black people so it's a small portion of their thoughts but most of them were far more upset about the planet of the apes joke than joke in quotation marks than um him like simply using the word and I do think there is a discussion

I don't think it's made for podcasts, but a discussion about the phrase the N word is still just saying the word. Like you're not saying it overtly, but what is a word if not communicate? When I say that, you just think the word. You know what I'm saying. So it's like kind of,

I think that's the school of thought he comes from, and I'm not defending him by any means, that's the school of thought he comes from versus saying that phrase versus saying the actual word, saying it that many times on a very large recorded monster is probably not his best call to this to date.

I don't really see too many people calling for him to be like canceled necessarily. Like I don't want to say biggest problem because there's a lot of problems here. But one of my larger problems is like Spotify had no problem with these episodes until this went viral again. They profited off those 70 episodes and would have kept doing so.

if no one made this, like made this video go re-viral. So it's like, was this their apology to just like quietly delete 110 episodes, like in the middle of the night? Like, I don't, they're, they've, their president came out and made a statement saying that they are not a publisher. So they're pretty much just kind of like absolving themselves from all wrongdoing here. And it's just like either they're admitting that they didn't listen to his entire catalog, which how could they?

It was thousands and thousands of hours of conversations. But it's like that is their responsibility. If they're going to push this guy, if they're going to build their platform around him as their guy, they're going to give him the $100 million and say you can only get him here. That is now your company. Like he is the face of Spotify. So them watching their hands of like any wrongdoing here is crazy to me.

Do you know what Rumble is? Is that the, it's one of the new apps, right? have no idea. I've never heard of it, but apparently they have offered Joe Rogan $100 million to leave Spotify and come bring his show to them. I don't know what it is. I've never heard of it. But say it all you want here, Joe. Well, that's the part of the conversation. I don't understand either. Like, he apologized and whether or not you thought it was a good apology. Like, he stood in front of a camera. He said, I did these things. They were wrong. He tried to explain himself, which never works. But he did that head off.

And then every comedian in the world, and he's put a lot of people on, he's put a lot of money in people's pockets. So I get the need to want to say something to speak up or do something. But like, people are just outright saying, I stand with Joe. Like, what does that mean? Like, what is what are you standing with? Like, what's the, like, I say the word all the time. Is that what you're saying? Like, I don't understand what you're standing.

I think they're trying to say like, yo, he's not a racist because like, no, you man, Andrew Yang did the same shit. He's like, I know Joe, he's not a racist. He even said he's the old adage. He said he congregates with bunches of black people, some shit like that, right? And it's just like, bro. I don't know. I think like this, this was like to your point earlier, Coley, like when people saying the N-word and it's like, it's just a word.

And like, everybody knows it's different. And the reasons is to why it's different. I think we just want to live in this black and white world and it's just not the case. The history of that word is. linked to our history in this country and some black folks are okay with white folks saying some are not and that's okay well it's it's okay to have different opinions right but you have to understand the ramifications of people not being okay with that yeah and and like i try i try not to be a hypocrite right because there's definitely things in the past that i've said that

could be deemed as as disrespectful or misogynist or racist or homophobic in the past that I had to come to terms with because some of my family member is now part of the LGBTQ community. And I just wasn't aware of any of this shit, right? And so a lot of the adage that I grew up with, it's just not cool to her, right? And so she checked me.

And it took me a while to understand her vantage bump, because at first I was like, dog, you bugging her. She's, I'm talking. But I didn't understand what that meant to her and that plight to fight for her, you know, expression, her self-expression, and how it's not looked upon and it's just to fight those inner demons

and those out of demons all the time. And so I don't know, I try to put myself in their shoes. And that's why it's for the life, me, I can't understand people just defending that because it's just like, what are you defending? Like, you're defending their right to be an asshole. It's basically what it is, which you sure you have a right to do that. Absolutely, though.

But like, why would you want to? I don't understand that shit. Why? There are a lot of, especially comedians, they constantly view these things on attack on free speech and while like I'm making jokes and like part of making jokes I'd argue the largest part is being funny and I was listening to Tim Dillon talk about this and he's a big Joe Rogan guy he's like he feels like he owes him a lot and he was talking about it and he was talking about the planet of the

apes part specifically and he was like it was an off-color joke I understand it's not as in in vogue as it once was but it was an off-color joke part of it is like when you're doing racial humor like I haven't seen anyone say you can't do racial humor like I've never seen anyone say that

the thing is like you know it's a higher wire that you're walking when you're doing racial humor and you better fucking land it now I understand part of that is you don't know if a joke's funny until people laugh but when they don't laugh you're just going to be like, I was wrong. I missed.

Like, it's okay to miss. It's okay to be wrong, but you got to own it. If you don't own it, like, what's the difference between a non-funny racist joke and just a racist statement? If no one's laughing, then it's not funny, then you're just kind of saying racist things. Like, that's the difference. And I feel like comedians should, I feel like, fight for the right for free speech, but they should, like, very much focus on, like, the funny part of it. Like, you can't just erase that. Not everyone's Richard Pryor.

everyone's George Collin, not everyone's Dave Chappelle, who's not always 100% right with some of his thoughts and the way he goes about his jokes. Like, misses are misses. And it's like, yeah, I know it sucks to bomb. I know it sucks to not get one. But when you miss, like, don't just keep driving into it. Like, be like, all right, take a photo off the gas, move on to something else. I'm curious is the big T. So, like, when you, when you see, have you seen the Joe Rogan compilation? I have not watched the video. I just. just know of it. I got you.

So, but I'm sure you've seen M-Bob compilations in the past, right? White folks or non. I'm not sure, because there's so many. There's nobody have not come across it. You're on the internet. Sure. Or unless I'm wrong.

I could be an assertion. I'm sure. Am I wrong? I mean, like I'm trying to think of another specific example, but yeah, sure. All right. So, but when you see it, right, because I don't know what you feel about the word. I don't know what you feel about it, right? What is your initial reaction to something like that?

Or even, you don't even have to hear it, right? You know Joe Rogan has a compilation video out there of the greatest hits. What is your reaction to that? Like, what are you thinking? I mean, you shouldn't say that. I don't know, like, should it cost someone their livelihood? Maybe. I don't know.

Like, I really don't know what my thoughts are on it other than, yeah, you shouldn't do that. if you like unless you if you're okay with what you said then okay but like I think he would maybe I'm projecting I assume he would tell you he wishes he hadn't said that all those times so like I I really don't know I guess I'm just curious as to like your um your stance on well I guess you kind of answered it nah because I from what what I'm hearing from you is you you err on the side of like if it if it bothers somebody I'll err on the side of I'm just not going to say it yeah well something that arises to that level sure if that's different than saying I don't know like saying something that you

know might piss someone off but like isn't that bad like who cares but something that arises to that level that you know will like you know that will upset a large swath of people so it's it's not like he was blindsided by the fact that that that caused people to get upset um so you're not you're not opposed to ruffling feathers but you there's something that you're levels is yes that you know will flagrantly i i mean like that is it is i think the one word that you can't say you just can't say i would argue there's no other one there's nothing else on that level. And I know other groups who have had hatred towards them will say their word is on the same level. It's not. You've, you've heard the John Mullaney joke, right? Yeah. About

Yeah. When you're comparing the badness of two words and you won't even say one of them. That's the worst word. That's the worst word. Yeah. I was actually debating this dude. This is when I was on Twitch debating folks. A dude named David Silverlin, Silverman. He's, he was like the head of the atheist community or something like that at one point in time. And he once told me, because I was like, you were debating him? Yeah, I was debating him. He doesn't think systemic racism exists at all. Oh, I thought you were, I was like, y'all sound like you're, you're pretty much on the same page. No, no, no, he's, he's really a right winger trying to pretend to be left. Interesting. But, yeah, so he, so, so, so like, it was on Twitter, our spec came on Twitter,

and he was, he was arguing that systemic racism doesn't exist at all. And I was like, This is the easily debunkable point. But anyway, a lot of the points that he was making was like fucking racist, dog. Like, it was wild. Like, it was wild. Like, and I was like, bro, that's sad. And I didn't even call him a racist. I was like, bro, that sounds.

That just sounds racist, dog. I'm just saying it sounds racist. And he goes, why you do that? Why do you do that? You say, that's worse than calling me the N-word. I'm like, what? I'm like, bro, the fact that you're saying N-word, you know it's not even close to the worst thing. Like, shut the fuck.

fuck up. And it's just like people like to do that, though. Like they, they like to minimize it. But it's just a real, I think it's not going to change in my lifetime, right? It's just one of those things that's going to keep continue having to be talked about until I think we come into a point. And the only remedy is like empathy. If you don't like how somebody addresses you, this is why I like to liken it to the transgender issue because, you know, and it's not the same. I think they're very different topics. But it's similar in the aspect of it's a choice, Right. If somebody identifies and they say call me he or him or she or her, right? I don't understand that shit at all, right? I can, I've listened. I try to understand it,

the best of my ability. But at the very end of the day, I want peace in my life. That's what I, that's what the boils down to me. It's like, I just want peace. I just want people to be happy and I want me to be happy. It does not hurt my feelings to call you whatever you want to be addressed by similar to Muhammad Ali changes his name from Cassius Clay, right? It was disrespectful in his eyes for you to call him Cassius, right? Just address a man or woman, however they want to be addressed, right? And if you avoid that, to me, that's just, it's erring on the side of diplomacy. There's, there doesn't have to be this battleground for free speech, though. All it is is fucking, yo, I respect who you are and what you identify as a human being, and I want to move forward

peacefully with my day. It's really what it comes down to, in my opinion. But people want to, like, battle on these moral high grounds and it just gets messy, bro. I don't know. Yeah, I don't, I mean, when you brought up the transgender thing, like, people would be, like, people make fun of, like, pronouns and bios and stuff like that. And it's just like, I can't imagine carrot. You know, that's what it boils down to for me. Like, if it, like, it matters to them. It doesn't have to matter to you at all. Like, you can just keep living your life and not worrying about it. If it doesn't affect you at all,

why would you care? That's what, like, for that, for this, it's like, yeah, from a society, we very much understand, like, that's the one. You can't say that one. It is what it is. And you were talking about something earlier, like certain black folks don't care.

And this came up a couple years ago when Dave had made his video rapping along to an entire Nelly song that he put out every word. and it was like trying to under like certain people were saying like of course he can say it and other people it was the same thing like some people cared other people didn't and it was just like where I grew up like a very mixed neighborhood no one would care if we were all singing the same song at all no one would give a shit because we all knew each other's intentions we all came from the same place this that and the third if you go to a different neighborhood where you don't know those people you're probably going to get punched in the fucking throat best case scenario like not Not growing up with that understanding is, I think a lot of people's, I don't want to say problem, but it's like a lack of life experience where if you grew up in a community where everyone looked like you, like, yeah, of course you wouldn't fully understand the ramifications and like what that means. But it's like if you grew up in a mixed neighborhood, like, yeah, most people didn't give a shit because you all live the same, not the same life, obviously everyone has different shit, but you're living in the same proximity. same neighborhood, you're all on the same page. So it's like that lack of life experience.

And I try and make this point every time, too, like the internet is still very new in the spectrum of human history. Like, it's the most we've been connected as a people ever. I feel like, and I'm white, so it's not really my place to say it, but a little more under, like there needs to be more understanding by all sides, not just one side, but they're like, people are learning for the first time a lot of things they weren't able to learn whether it be segregation whether it be where they grew up like this is the most a lot of people have interacted with different types of people and to not give ourselves like a step to breathe and be like oh that was a mistake now i know but people are just so quick to say i didn't do

anything wrong and defend themselves like listen to people get the shit out of your ears like someone said that sucks like okay move on like learn move on Well, that's a great point. And it's the point when we're talking about transgender issues is what I always like in it, too. It's like, because to people who have never been experienced with it, like myself, I'm like, where the fuck did this come from? Like, why is this a thing now? Like, I was always my point, but I'm like, it just makes so much sense. Like, we now have a global network and community that's like people felt like this forever, but they just didn't have anybody by them that they could identify with, that could empathize with their position.

and to develop the lexicon, to understand what they're going through, right, and to express it in different ways. And so, like, this is just the beginnings of, like, communal, like, exploration of ourselves and our culture. And so you're absolutely right. Like, that's why I'm not Joe Rogan's racist. Fuck that. I don't know.

I'm not doing that. All I'm saying is like, yo, that's wild, right? I heard his explanation. I don't necessarily think it was a great explanation. But, like, that's his journey. I think Joe Rogan thinks less than me because I'm black. No, I really don't. I honestly don't think that. You know, I sat across from the man. That's just my assertation of him as a human being. But do I feel like there's some residual, like, preconceived notions about black folk

in general? Yeah. And I think that is a societal thing, which is what a lot of us argue. And so there's, there's nuance involved when you did it. And that's the bigger part. And I always try to say, I probably said four times already, but it's like, this is just not a black and white society, literally and figuratively. There's so much nuance involved in culture and just like I could say one thing or wear one thing in one neighborhood and it's not disrespectful and go walk a block and it is disrespectful. And so you got to understand all of those different nuances. And I think moving forward with everything to me is always the, it's always the case.

So I ain't trying to, you know what I mean. There's also like it's Joe Rogan. Like I don't say that in a disparaging way, but it's not like Joe Rogan PhD. Like, it's not Joe Rogan Emeritus of, like, Harvard. Like, he's Joe Rogan. Like, he's been punched in the head a lot in his life. Like, he's a comedian. Like, you know, man.

I know some PhDs that say some stupid fucking shit. Of course. I mean, there was a PhD at some school in some college. I think it was a SUNY college who was, like, advocating that pedophilia was like, okay. Like, it was like a few weeks ago. Wow. Yeah. So it's like, there are, hold on.

he said when it's okay like to do or like uh hang on i'm i'm clicking on the article because that's fucking wild it was a wild yeah it was a wild boy very wild and i mean there were a lot of people i know you and i agree with this point but who was that was it was the columbia professor who was like advocating for heroin use and was it yeah drug use in general right at the three minute mark kersner questions whether consent is even necessary even comparing it to a kid consenting to do other things they don't want to do like go to the doctor

he even states at the 5 minute 42nd mark that the notion of sex with a 1 year old being wrong quote isn't obvious to me so yeah we got to I've got to hear his reasoning yeah I haven't seen the video oh here it is I'll go watch it later

but it sounds yeah that sounds pretty bad we can't watch it in real time but whole fuck me bro, that shit's, it wasn't the best argument anyone's ever made. The best argument I've heard for pedophilia, not for it, but not, no, no, just about it in general, right, is this, is that, that we need to, and I don't know if I 100% agree with this, I'm very mixed on this, because this is a touchy topic, and let me get it out before I get lambasted, is that we need to at least normalize the desire.

from people who are, right? Because then this is their argument. The argument is if you ostracize the desire, you're then outcasting them. They don't have any community. They don't have any place that they can go get this evil out and express how it's making them feel. Therefore, they'll just internalize it

and possibly act on it. And they say that if they have like a group to understand why it's bad, right? They have to acknowledge that it's bad, first, right? But understand why it's bad. And you're taking an innocence away from somebody who's it's out of their control, like, all of that. And then you have a community where you can like, right? But then the opposing argument is you're getting them all together and they can splots you, right? So I understand. This is why this is why I'm a hundred, I'm not 100% in agreement

with it. I get what you're saying and what that argument's saying, but it's like what like, I do not. To be honest with you. Like, are we going? Like, where do you draw the line with that? Like, Or were we going to get murderers together? Like, because those are urges that some people can't control too. Yeah, no. If the argument is that people who want to have sex with children are being outcast, I'm down with that. I think we should outcast them for sure.

We'll say, okay. And I think the broader point is not pedophiles being able to congregate, right? I think the broader point is if you have a desire and you know it's wrong, should there not be any recourse to help you in that process? Just like an alcoholic. They know they're drinking themselves to death. People smoking cigarettes. They know they smoking themselves to death.

But we don't demonize those acts in the way that says it's immoral, right? And so the broader point isn't, is pedophilia okay or is it not? The broader point is we don't, they really have no recourse other than some kind of self reflection that obviously isn't there in the first place or else they wouldn't have that desire. So that's a, like I said, I always try to leave with empathy, right? What if I was born with that desire? I do not have that desire. What if I was born with that desire?

I don't have anywhere to go. I don't have nobody to talk to. Imagine your best man's in the world going up to you talking about some dog. I've just been thinking about this five-year-old all day. You might get punched in the face, right? It's wild. And so I'm not, go ahead, go ahead, bro.

I was going to say, part of the problem. I'm not advocating for pedophilia. How much of this are we cutting? Part of the problem, though, isn't that there's nowhere for them to go because that was true, years ago before we all had the internet now they do have places to go and they're the worst places imagine they're not watched by anyone they're feeding each other videos and stuff like it's only making it worse so to your point yeah maybe it being more in the open could quell that because

right now they're just sitting in their houses uh going in chat rooms when that was a thing like it's only getting worse because they are so in there are just in their own head and in their own computer yeah we can go any like the internet i feel like we think is a much small smaller place than it is. It's fucking unlimited. Like there is everywhere you can go whether you want to or not. Like, um, so yeah, I definitely, I agree with the sentiment. I don't know how he would pull it off is more. Yeah. I don't, yeah, I don't, I haven't thought deep enough about it to have like, first we need to do this. And I haven't thought that deep into it. But what I do know is people with desires for the most part, they're uncontrollable. Like it's just it's your product. your environment and your genes, right? That is basic evolution. And so if you have desires that are deemed immoral immoral by a society, does that society care enough about the cohesiveness of the society and the well-being of the community to address it in a way that isn't ostracizing them? Because it's a real thing. Like, imagine that thought experiment, Big D. Imagine there is a man

that has desires to sexually to be sexually attracted to a child, right? But he knows it's abhorrent, right? He knows it, but he never goes through with it in his entire life. But his entire life, he feels ostracized. Do you feel any kind of moral obligation

as a society to help ease that, to help give him a community, to help him ease that? Define, his whole life. Define give him a community. So when, so, an example, would be a lot of people who are alcoholics shame themselves, right? It's a lot of self-shame.

And that aids in their self-harm. It's just like a residual cycle. When a lot of the reasons why people are alcoholics were out of their control. They grew up with it. It's genetic. The environment, a lot of the things are out of their control. Yes, they make the choice to do it, but a lot of the things are influences out of their control. And so it's unlearning that this is all my fault, taking responsibility for your actions, but unlearning that it's all your, I mean, this is how people get over alcohol, being alcoholic, right? Unlearning that it's all my fault and learning that you were a product of your environment, but you made some choices to get here. And so we have recourse for them in order to heal themselves emotionally. I'm saying, do you feel like

there's no obligation for a society for pedophiles? And I'm not saying I necessarily do. I'm just curious is your thoughts on it because i'm kind of split on i don't know uh i mean like could could that person not go to a therapist like already like i don't i i i guess going to therapy is a big hurdle for a lot of people too because again that's mostly one-on-one but alcoholics anonymous is like another group right that's what i'm saying though like does there need to be an organization to get people who want to have sex with children together and talk about it? I don't think so, no.

Like that person, I don't know. I think can go, you know, to someone one-on-one and maybe talk about it. I don't even know, like, can you do that? Yeah. That's what I'm saying. I don't even, I don't know. I've never. I don't know that a therapist could, like a therapist can't turn you in, can they?

I think. Well, if you haven't, if you haven't done anything. Right. If you're admitting to wanting to do a terrible thing, I don't think so. I think if you say, if you go and. to a therapist and say like hey I just killed someone like I think they're obligated to report that to someone or no I think I think child child harm as well like if you say I have done something they have right but I don't I wouldn't know about that um yeah and I mean think about think about the therapist

come in there's some somebody comes in and says I'm thinking about having that therapist thinking you probably already have right and now what does that person do and that's what I'm saying and so that and that's why I think it's just like it's a wild topic right that's it takes a a lot, it's, it's, it's a, I think we like to avoid it as a society, but we don't really understand how common it is and how long it's been around for millennia that we have dealt with child pedophilia, or just pedophilia. I'm going to say, when did we slap the title on it, though? That's, I don't, I don't, I mean, when it become a negative? Because there, there's, there's, like 12 years old, not that long ago. Right. There, there's a, I don't know when

I guess I can look this up, but the DSM-5 is like a book of like mental disorders and disabilities and stuff like that. And I think that that is classified as one, if I'm not mistaken. I would imagine so. Hold on. Let me look at it. Well, while you're doing that area, and I've, I've been doing a little look into this guy who said the thing about not knowing if sex with one-year-olds is wrong. He also said in a 2003 paper in the Journal of Social philosophy. Let me read you this abstract. The slavery contract is not a rights violation since the right not to be enslaved and the right not to give out a benefit are waivable. And the conjunction of their voluntary waiver is not itself a rights violation. What does my guy have his

is? He may not be a PhD. Man, I have a question that institution. I feel like most college professors are, though. Stephen Kersner. No, he's a doctor. He's Dr. Stephen Kershner. They give that, I mean, Shaq's a doctor. Like, they give that title out to everyone. So this is, so it is actually,

so the DSM-5 started by like a bunch of psychiatrics, the American psychiatric. It's not a society. I clicked off the page, but in 1952 is when it started, where they started classifying mental diseases and disorders and pedophilic disorder and it's interesting that they

classify it as 13 years or younger but yeah it is yeah it is in the DSM-5 though I'm sorry I just got to read the title of some of this the books this guy has written total collapse the case against morality and responsibility

sounds like an interesting read. Here's a good one. Abortion, hell, and shooting abortion doctors. Does the pro-life worldview make sense? He has written 100 articles and book chapters on such diverse topics as abortion, adult child sex, hell, pornography, punishment, sexual fantasy, slavery, and torture. Who the fuck?

This guy, this is why Coley and I have, an argument a couple weeks ago. It was not on the show. This is a discussion. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I feel like it was a very good discussion, honestly. I don't think, like, this guy's in academia. He has a, he's teaching moldable minds.

This is sickening. It's a problem. I don't know. Are you going to say he's left? Well, well, I mean, I mean. Yeah. Yeah, shooting. Does the pro-life worldview make sense?

And yes. I would say that. It sounds like he's anti it. Yeah, no, he's a pro-life. If he's trying to shoot abortion doctors, he's not pro-choice. No, no, no. The title of the book is abortion hell and shooting abortion doctors. Does the pro-life worldview make sense?

I feel like he is anti-doing those things. I don't think he is. I don't know. We haven't read that book. No, we haven't. And I think all those other thoughts. I will not be reading that book. But I think, I mean, to be.

in academia isn't this, right? It's like you study a certain thing and you get credibility and understanding that certain thing, right? But that doesn't mean you're the arbiter of what is right and what is wrong in all other things. And so, and even within people's fields, there's room, there's wiggle room for debate, right? This is why you have peer review. It's a, it's a, it's an very argument process. And so things can go right or left or whatever the case may be. But it's the best system that we have in my opinion. Yeah, I don't know what to ascribe his politics to. I'm sure he probably has invented his own. But this is not a person. Like I've never heard like a super left wing teacher be like, well, slavery was good. Like I don't know that

that's a trade I would ascribe to them. I don't even know what to think about this guy. By the way, one of his research interests is applied ethics. That's pretty funny. Yeah, when she does not apply them. I would like to listen to him more because people like that fascinate me. Like I'd like to think there's more to it than just the service level because I'm, I want to hear him. I think I'm all set.

I think I've heard enough. get the hook get this guy off stage i guess i'm just interested in pushing the mold of ideas right and i and i can very easily discern if this if this dude is like a fucking quack or not but like i would i just like to hear different that's why i spent so much time on on youtube listening to conspiracy there because i just like to hear different ideas just molds you know molds the brain pushes outwork sometimes yeah i would like to see the papers he's given like F's too. Like, I'm sure those papers were perfectly fine.

He was just like, no, F, you're out of here. That's comedy, man. So, yeah, that's a weird guy. But yeah, Joe Rogan, uh, someone, I think you, I think you, Arrian are one of the few people who have like a non-binary view of racism. Yeah. Like, I don't think that's a wide, widely accepted. And I'm not saying it should or shouldn't be, but I don't know that that's like,

how most people view it. I do feel like most people. And I don't know that it, I think I'm more on your side, like, but I also think it's funny to say someone's like, like if you're looking at like a hot sauce scale, they're just like mild races. Like I think that's also funny to view. I mean, there's there's so many things in this country, Big Tea, that are standard like you're wearing a waffle house inspired hoodie right now. Like you talk about the foundation, the fabric, the very fabric of what we strive to be as an American country. That's the consistency of a nice waffle house.

What isn't consistent at all as what you were telling me earlier is the markets. They've been so fucking trippy the past couple months. That's true. Volatile. A lot of inflation going on. People are talking about the inflation. It's almost like they took a hit of whatever

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when you look at, right, it's defined as, right, Webster's definition is something along the lines of, it's a superiority complex. You think another race is inferior because of that race. right, because of that race. And that is,

even though it's a very black and white definition, that carries with it a lot of gray area, a lot of gray area, because there's a lot of correlations people draw. Like a simple one, excuse me, simple one is it got promulgated on the internet a while back, but it's the race and IQ, right? YouTube is big on this.

And when I say YouTube, I think YouTube is a majority right-leaning, platform. YouTube? Oh, yeah. The organization that's, it's fan base.

It's fan base. They censor Alex Jones. The organization that demonetizes any video that it, you talk about the people they demonetize everything. I was talking about

the fan base of YouTube. Yeah, I understand. I agree with Aaron on that. Go look at it. Go look at it. Go look at it. Yeah, I mean, I don't know.

I don't know they politics. I'm talking about the fan base. Okay. Okay. Okay. That is like so. So if you go like on Twitch, right, I would say that fan base is majority left lane, right? Like, and, and it's a mixed bag, but I would say just majority, right? And so race and IQ is a huge one, right? And it got promulgated probably a good like five, seven years ago. So like I really started getting big. And a lot of these like right wing pundits started having people on who are, they're called race realists, right? And what's, What they say is, I think it's Asians and then Ashkenazi Jews are like the highest IQs on average and then everybody else falls underneath that. But what they say is just genetically, well, I don't even think they make the claim genetically,

but they just say black folks have a lower IQ than white folks. And that's just what it is. And when you deal with, like, race in America, like, this is the kind of stuff that you have to combat. And this is why when I look at racism, I don't look at it like, it's just you are or you ain't. Because there's people that may even believe that, but don't necessarily have any ill intent. But they just like, this is what the data says. And I feel bad. I heard people say this.

Like, this is what the data says. And I just feel so bad because this is just what it is. Right. That's a racist thought. and you haven't given any credence to the opposing view or the socioeconomic situations that is the reasons as to why that's unfolding, right? I'm sure if you, if anybody gets this far out of podcasts

and they listen to this, I'm sure there'll be some comments to be like, no, but it is true. I guarantee it, I guarantee you, on our podcast, I guarantee it. Because this is a really prevailing thought in those circles. But what I've understood is over the years, a lot of racism is very covert. And a lot of people don't even understand what they're doing can be racist. It's a, I mean, there's books written about this, like racism without race.

It's just a bunch of reasons as to why, and we can get into the weeds of this. But having a nuanced opinion of race is necessary. And this is why I try to listen to people. And because everybody's experience is different. I have a very unique experience in America because I'm mixed, right? There's definitely colorism I've experienced. amongst black folks, right? And there's definitely racism I've experienced with non-black folks.

And that is an entirely different argument, but there are very two real things that I had to deal with growing up. And it's a lot of people's different experiences. So you have to come out with an open mind and not act like you know everything. And that's what I try to do. I try to listen to people all the time, dog. Like, I don't know.

That's where my nuanced opinion comes from. It's not from this place if I know everything. I don't know I get that criticism a lot but it's just from my experience of listening I just listen to people a lot and so I don't know the Joe Rogan thing is interesting right but a good segue into it

I was actually on that dude podcast and I asked him a question as why he switched because it used to be a super moon landing um denier right he was like really audited and we're going to jump into the the title of the

this podcast, which is the moon landing. But he gave a lot of interesting facts, right? And so just getting back into, I kind of wanted to do, what I kind of wanted to do with this podcast was kind of give a timeline of the events leading up to it and kind of look at the big reasons as to why people think it didn't happen, right? Because I think all of us here, don't let me speak to you, but I think all of us here agreed that we went to the moon. Only very recently have I agreed.

with that. Really? Yeah. And I'm still, I can still see the side that we didn't. That's interesting. That's interesting. All right, well, let me just, let me just kind of set the scene a little bit, right? Which is, which is wild because I think this kind of gives credence to a lot of moon denying facts,

is that one, the government definitely lied about some things, but two, the origins of NASA are fucking insane. It's really wild. All right. So going through some of the facts, right? So in 1958, the U.S. launched satellite Explorer 1, designed by the U.S. Army under the direction of rocket scientist Warner

von Braun. And later Dwight Eisenhower, he signed a public order creating NASA, a federal agency dedicated to the space program, right? So, but who was Warner von Braun? Warner von Braun was a German scientist

who was stationed in a lot of different places but was a part of something called Operation Paperclip right? And so Operation Paperclip was basically after the war we saw that

so this is what they this is a clip that I found so trailing behind Allied Combat Troops groups such as to combine intelligence objectives subcommittee, they began confiscating war-related documents and materials interrogating scientists. His German research facilities were seized by Allied forces. One enlightening discovery recovered from a toilet at Bonn University was the Ossenberg list, a catalog of scientists and engineers that had been put to work for the Third Reich, which was Hitler's regime. And so this is well documented. This is all really happened. So we took around like 1,600,

German scientists and imported them into the U.S. And Warner von Braun was a rocket scientist that actually was one of the catalysts of starting NASA, which is wild. Another one, just like on the side of know, another one, there's a dude named Walter Schreiber. He started a vaccine program in Germany to protect Nazi soldiers for biological warfare. and he ended up being one of the heads of the U.S. Air Force and the station in Texas as well. And so a lot of people like to say, you know, was he a Nazi? Was he not really a Nazi?

There's like testimony that people have accumulated over the years of people who were in those concentration camps in Austruits. And that was one of them. And one of them were saying he had a bad reputation for, for brutality and had originated the idea of using contracting camp prisoners as slave laborers in the rocket program. And so a lot of the origins of his rocket designs and engineering is rooted in slave labor from Nazi concentration camps. When I first figured it or read this shit, it like blew my mind because I heard the rumblins of it, but it was like to understand like

one of our fundamental research facilities as Americans in NASA was started by Nazis, like real Nazis, dog. Like, not like, you know what I'm saying? Cats protesting outside Black Lives Matter. Like, real fucking Nazi, dog. Like, actually, like, there's testimony of these cats being, uh, him suggesting or at least being a cohort in, I'm not a cohort, a, um, uh, an assailant in hanging Jews outside of the facility.

It's like shit like that. Like crazy shit, man. And we did this with over 1,600 scientists. And that brings up an entirely different point, like the efficacy of national security over morality. Like a lot of these cats never faced any consequences for their partaking in any of this shit. Yeah.

I mean, so the guy who founded Barstool was Jewish, Dave Portnoy, he wore Hugo Boss, like, he thought that was top tier up until a few years ago when he found out Hugo Boss made all of the Nazis uniforms and was like handsomely profited off of Hitler and everything he had going on over there. Like it's still out like Nazi people who profited off of everything that was going on in the 30s and 40s are still profiting. Like, it's the same. Yeah, that's why. I didn't really know how much it was in a world with our economy, but it was just such a big, it was a worldwide event. So, yeah. So, yeah, I mean, that's kind of the groundwork of the origins of what eventually became

the space racing as to why we went to the moon in the first place. So in the late 1950s, early 60s, the United States was engaged in a Cold War as geopolitical rivalry with the Soviet Union on October. October 4th, 1957, the Soviet Union launched Sputnik 1. It was the first satellite that any humans have, which is like a huge accomplishment. And this honestly started the fears and the rumblings, the cold, what we call Cold War propaganda, it's the reason why Big T hates communist so much, right? It is the Cold War propaganda.

This is where it stems from, whether or not. Yeah, yeah. The accuracy of it is yet to be determined. But it stems from a lot of this. It stems from a lot of Cold War propaganda and us feeling inferior to their technological and their scientific advancements. Before we go any further, I do understand that. We were in a thing with Russia.

We wanted to beat them. We didn't want them to look like, you know, cooler than us, smarter than us, whatever. Going to the moon, who gives a shit, you know? like what what was the point right so it was just a pissing contest like sure yeah

like everybody talks about the moon landing like and it was it was an unbelievable technical achievement and Marvel whatever I really don't give a shit you know and maybe you had to be there I guess maybe you had to be around in the 60s that's a hot take I mean they didn't

I truly could not give less of a shit about landing on how much entertainment you have in your pocket it right now. Like, landing on the moon in 69 was fucking a big deal. Yeah, no. Awesome. It's incredible.

The people who were part of that, I can't even imagine the engineering marvels that went into it. Still don't care. What would you care? Like, is Mars, does Mars interest you? Nope. Not even a little bit. So you just don't care about space.

No. I've got some questions about space. Hold on. Pause that thought. Because I'm definitely about to hit. I want to dig into. that bag. But I think this can interest you. The reason why we decided to go ahead with it and try to beat them was because them launching Sputnik developed a lot of rumblings of national

security. Well, they can develop nukes, right? We need to show our advancement as well because our citizens are losing faith in our ability and our military because they're doing something that is deemed as like, holy shit, right? So it was more optics of posturing. Yeah, I totally understand like why it was a big deal at the time. Oh, you would have been the biggest. Probably so, yeah. Let's get to the fucking moon.

But like when Billy was freaking out of like a month or two ago because China debuted that like really low flying like super crap. Can you imagine Billy in 1969? Oh, he would have been. losing it. You would have been like, send me, strap me to the back of it. I'm out of here. I'll be up on the moon. I'll fight the moon, people. So what are your questions about space? Oh, I've got several. I think, I think. Toss them my way. I believe I've said this on the show before and people

got mad at him. I think we're being sold a bill of goods on space. I think there's a lot of chicanery going on. Please what I think I. Please keep going. I thought I think, like Elon Musk, like who sounds good? No, no, no, no, like very, very generally accepted things about space. I'm just like, I'd like to see a little more there, you know? I'm, keep going, man. I've said it on the show before. Like, you know, when we're talking about hundreds of quintillions of miles away,

we know there's this thing. No, you don't. No, you don't. You're lying. And that's fine. That's fine. Listen, we have a whole industry devoted to it. They need funding.

Go for it. that's great. We've got, you know. Wait, so you, you don't think space is as big as advertised. I think there's a lot of things going on. I think there's, there's some questions I have about space. Let me, let me ask you this. Do you think space is real? Yes. Okay. We've got that groundwork to build off of that. For sure. What like, because I've had to, like my father was a huge space guy, like, big time space guy. And he would say things like on this planet. like several solar systems, galaxies away, we know it has this base. And I'd be like, what in the fuck are you talking about?

Like, no, we don't know that. And he would talk about like, you could tell by the light basing it off of it. And while I understand his point and they have a lot of data to back that up, if that were true, why are we unsure what's on Mars, which is objectively much closer. It's a great point, Colin. And they're like this star is. we're not 432 billion times bigger than the sun no it isn't it isn't i'm sorry you can show me whatever math you've done to say that that's true it's not true it's not true so you're joking right

you don't really believe this shit oh i absolutely believe it hold on okay so let's deal with the first one and coli's point so we do you agree or not agree that we know the speed of light yeah sure okay Do we know that it's like a fixed thing? Yes. No matter how fast you're traveling, the speed of light remains the same. Yeah. Do we know that will we agree on what they call the Doppler effect, right? The Doppler effect is if something is going, like if you're in a car, right?

If you're in a car and it's coming towards you, it goes, and as it's going away, it goes, right? We agree with that, right? Yeah. Okay. Sound is just a wave, right? Light is a wave as well, right? So they act in very similar ways. When things are coming towards us, it emits a certain light.

And when things are going away from us, it emits a certain light. And it's red and blue, right? And I forget which one is forward and backwards. But there are various different ways to measure how far something is. And they use candlesticks, right? What they call candlesticks, which are like metrics and they're supernova. Units of measurement. Yeah, units of measurement.

There you go. And supernova is as to, as to how to triangulate how far something is away. And there's a lot of math involved, right? Oh, I don't. My qualms aren't with the distant stuff. My qualms are, he would say we knew what elements are on certain planets in other galaxies. And it's like, I don't completely disagree with that. Like, I'm sure they have things that they're sure of, but they act like they know the way

he was at least passing it off was just like they know everything that's on everything and it's like I know they don't no they do and this is how they know right because stars and planets they emit light planets reflect light right well within that light what they found and there's this is like when you research the shit it's like a beautiful story right as to how they figured it out but they have something called spectral lines have you guys heard of these yes so spectral lines are for people that don't know. Inside of the signature of the light that is coming to us, there are these dark black like almost barcodes, right? Yeah, like segmentations kind of. Yes. And so each element has a certain fingerprint within those, within the light. And so we know what the, what the signature for

salt is. We know what the signature for oxygen is. We know what the signature for hydrogen is, right? And it's why we can tell what different planets are made of, what the sun is made out of, what different stars are made out of. And this is why Carl Sagan made that beautiful quote back in the 70s or 60s when he said, we're all made a star dust because we figured out that everything, all the elements in the universe is actually what we're comprised of. All of the same carbon, all of those same things are literally what the stars are made out of. We're made out of literally star dust. It's a beautiful story. So, like, we actually 100%, I don't say 100%. You don't ever want to deal an absolutes with science. But we have a very good gauge on what elements are coming from

each planet. I would say we have a good base of what elements had been on that planet at a time, not necessarily that they are there currently. Sure. And that also depends on, so when you're looking at Starlight, what they would like to say, when you're looking at Starlight, you're looking at you're traveling through time like it's time travel because it takes time a long time for that starlight to reach us and so it may be different now but as we're perceiving it that's what is currently the spectral lining right yeah I was more speak oh all that is fantastic it's great um I've still got I just there's some numbers thrown out that I would just like some more show your work

you know I just want to see how you be able to understand the work no absolutely not but when they're like that's the problem when this thing is 134 9 million kilometers away I just no it's not no it's not it's not that's great

that you did that would you at least admit that you're irrational about it yeah yeah for sure and I'm cool with that I'm cool with that yes I just I want to I just don't it's it's more Also, I don't understand the vastness. It's hard to grasp.

And I don't, yeah, I don't believe it. No, it's crazy when you think about how big it is. And like, it's, you can't, we could pretend to conceptualize it, but this is something we cannot experience. And before any, any dumbass tweets me, yes, I, I'm kind of kidding. But like, I do, like, it is just, it's like impossible to comprehend. Right. Is it one of those things you don't even pay attention to because it's impossible to don't really?

Yes, yeah. I think that's fair. I think most of us, it's, I mean, we talk about men in black a lot of them this show, but like watching that movie when I was nine, whenever that movie came out, it was just like, yeah, I'll never understand. Even this fictional summation of what's going on,

it's too much for me to ever pretend to know what's happening out there. Yeah, it's just stuff that I have, and like I'm not a, obviously, an expert, right? But I've just spent years and years, like, really researching this. I'm talking to, like, really reading papers on this shit, like, trying to understand the math on it. I've done a lot of research on it because it keeps me up at night. Like, it really keeps me up at night. That's why I don't do more research. I think, yeah. No, no, no. I think if everyone, I think it should keep people up at night. Definitely. It's, it's, it's nonsense.

It's craziness. That's what I'm saying. It makes no sense. It's, well, that's the I don't think of my size, though, bro. It's so counterintuitive. It doesn't make sense until you understand the basics of shit. No, but like if you understand it, it should make less sense. Does that make sense what I just said? Yeah. If you understand it, it should make less sense.

Like the more you know about it, the more you should be like, how the fuck is this a thing? Yeah. That's, that's accurate. Yeah. Does space, and I'm not saying this to troll. I mean, this is genuinely as possible. does the very concept of space and everything you do know about it

conflict with your beliefs religiously? No. Because I know they do for me. No, the only thing I said was when we talked about aliens, I said if they were proven to be intelligent being somewhere else, I think that would conflict with Christianity. And then I got into a thing with somebody on Twitter who was like, no, it wouldn't.

And I was like, well, yeah, it would. I think I think I can prove it as well For me in my In my personal belief That would That would conflict with the Bible to me That would rock you Yeah for sure

So when you say alien life Are you talking about like microbes? No no no no no no no no If there were like us but on a different planet Right yeah But in terms of like no Like God created the heavens and the earth And that like I'm just saying in terms

of space. Like, I don't understand it. I don't get it. That's great that some people want to choose to do that as like a career. That's fantastic. I have questions on some of your, some of your claims. That's all I'm saying. So it does conflict with, like, it depends on how you interpret the Bible, honestly. If you interpret it like with any kind of literal interpretation, then those two things, astrophysics and the Bible cannot coincide. Like, what about it? The age of the earth, the age of the universe, the age of everything. I don't think there's anything concretely in the Bible that says that, like, says the earth was made 8,000 years ago.

No, but there are prevailing Christian thoughts of how old the Earth is. Yeah, I think that's become a, yeah, a Christian, like, Christian science, if you want to use that term, like thing. But I think it's perfectly reasonable to believe the Earth was made however many billion. years ago and be a Christian. I don't think that's crazy. So when you follow the lineage of the ages in the Bible, this is not controversial at all. But it's like I think six to seven, six to eight thousand years old.

Yeah, seven or eight, something like that. Yeah. And so that directly conflicts with what we see in reality. I mean, you could say that. I don't know. I don't know. I haven't looked into that enough. I don't have a strong opinion on that, but they, they throw numbers around pretty loosely in the Bible. Like they, how old was Abraham? Like, 100 and something years old? Oh, more than that. That's what I mean. Like, they just used numbers to say, like, it was big. Like, they didn't, like, they weren't. Like, you're right. People who were reading it literally, yeah, they would have a connection. 175. Right. Like, we know that he was not a hundred and, 70 because no one is.

Well, that's what I'm saying is there's a lot of that in the Bible. There's a lot of, and specifically when we're talking about like the origins of the universe and, and you know what would have convinced me. Like, what would have convinced me if there was some shit in the Bible that was prophetic in like a real way, not like a Nasoramus prophecy, but like something that was prophetic of like one day. you're going to discover, boom, on this date, boom, whatever the case may be. I'm sure, you know, he created the earth.

He can find a very savvy way of framing it. But, like, all the prophecies are like real like, wamp, you know what I mean? Like, one day there's going to be a war. Like, yeah, all right, bro. You know what I'm saying? But would that not completely, like, then there, I mean, anybody with half a brain would believe in God and then there would be no, like, that requires no faith. Well, that's what I'm saying.

Is he not, it says the devil's the author of confusion, not him. Why he out here trying to confuse me? Just give me the book in a way that, and why do a book? You know what I mean? Barry a fucking iPhone, fam, and say, dig this up at this plot, at this date, this going to blow your mind. But not he puts it in a book, like, come on, gee. Wouldn't the, this is bad.

This is like, bad. We know, like, water is foreign to this planet. So, like, wouldn't that kind of knockout? the whole god thing wait say that again the heavens and the earth like that would i would i would believe that to include water i don't think he'd give us a waterless planet if that was his goal so like the fact that it came from

space and is not of this planet it is foreign it came from an asteroid wouldn't that kind of immediately knock out the like wouldn't that be the original conflict of believing in both I don't know. I personally believe that science is able to explain things which have happened. I don't find science in the Bible to be directly contradictory. I think science is the Big Bang theory. I believe I've said this on the show before. The Big Bang sounds to me like exactly what would happen if God uttered the phrase, let there be light. I feel like that is what would happen. An explosion out of nothingness of the universe. Wasn't an explosion. Well, you know what I'm saying. I don't I'm sure

Okay, what was it then? It was A burst of Out of nothing Right It wasn't necessarily a burst It was just like A gradual forming

Of of gases And Big Bang is not my But They always say They always say It wasn't a big

It wasn't a boo Okay sure But however you want to frame it That sounds to me Like a logical scientific explanation of if God said let there be like something that might happen

right that's how I view it and I think there are other I think there are other things similar to that throughout it's like silly shit right and why it just doesn't make any sense to me

like why frame stuff it makes it so confusing right so like in Genesis he says he says God created two lights right one to govern the day and one to govern the night or something along those lines, right? If he would have said God created one light, right, and one is a reflective source. And that, in those days, that would have been, what is he talking about? There's two lights, right?

But years later, we figured out exactly what he's talking about. That would have been impressive. But to me, everything in the Bible is directly correlated with what we knew scientifically of the day. It's not coincidence in my opinion Well, it does feel important to note that the Bible was written by people Who lived at that time Mm-hmm

So like, so that's what they thought Like that makes sense to me That they would say there are two lights But it's divinely inspired Inspire them to write some scientifically accurate shit Okay, I mean I see what you're saying But I also feel like that directly contradicts like kind of the entire point.

I'm listening. Of faith. Like, that's what Colin and I said. Like, if God could just be like, you know, if 5,000 years ago God was like, hey, there's going to be this thing called an iPhone. You can basically do whatever you want on. You can go on the internet. You're going to love that. It's going to be a whole thing. And then that happens. You'd be like, anyone with half a brain would be like, you know what? I feel like we should, we should listen to this guy. But that, that defeats like the whole point

I think Aryan's point is like why and I understand what he's saying and I really do I don't know like you're asking me to ascribe the motivations of God and I can't do that for you don't fucking do it big T

my soul is that thing I can't get into that headspace to be honest with you so I go to hell and I'm gonna go to hell in a T shirt to say Big T sent me here I hope that It does not happen. The, the, the, when you're like, to big cheese point,

when you're talking about the moments or however long before the Big Bang theory, impossible to put into my like puny brain, like what that even means. Both. Yeah, we have, we have no idea. A, God creating the universe and the universe existing out of nothing, both make relatively equal zero sense to me. Yeah, I don't disagree with that. So they both go back to a point where you're like, okay, well, then what was before that?

And you're like, I don't know. Don't know. I can't tell you. Yeah. And this is why it keeps me up tonight. It should. It's fast. Yeah.

It should. It should. That's why we ignore it. Back to my original point. Now, I just don't believe you. So. I'm okay. Well, okay.

So I guess, I guess the contentious point to that would be a lot of, A lot of the tools that scientists use, right, to understand the workings of the universe, see how far shit is away with very accurate depiction. A lot of the tools that they use have very pragmatic uses today. The reason why we have iPhones and computers and GPS is because we understand these. I've said it plenty of times on this podcast. The reason why I have GPS is Einstein's general theory of relativity. And the reason why I can pinpoint where you are within yards, right? It's because that same math and those same concepts takes into account the distance

that the sun is, the distance that the moon is, right? And so all of those, they're all the same tools. And so one, it makes sense to you because you can use it, but two, it doesn't, which is honestly to the broader point of what we're talking about to bring it back is the reasons as to why we were racing the Soviets to get there first was because we didn't want to lose public support of of their better than us right we didn't want to we don't want to lose that shit so like i think you it's it's incentivized for you to believe in some of the shit because it shows our and again before before people tweet me yes i do but if the space people say it i'm sure

it's it's fairly accurate it just makes it makes no sense makes no sense i agree a lot of science makes no fucking sense man but it's a really a beautiful story i always say evolution our origins. It's just a beautiful story when you study this shit because it's just, I don't know, it's fascinating shit to me, man.

But to get back on track, as we so love to do on this podcast. So like now starts the, you know, we're talking about the Cold War. Let's see. In 1959, the Soviet space program took another step forward

with the launch of Lunar, Two, the first space probe to hit the moon. And in April 6th, 1961, the Soviet cosmonaut Yuri Gagarin became the first person to orbit the earth. So shit heating up. Traveling in a capsule like spacecraft, Vostok I, for the U.S. effort to send a man in the space dubbed Project Mercury, NASA engineers designed a smaller cone-shaped capsule for lighter than Bostock. They tested the craft with chimpanzees and held a final test flight in March, 1961, before the Soviets were able to pull ahead with Gagarin's launch. On May 5th, Ashton, Allen Shepard became the first American in space, though not in orbit. Later that May, John F. Kennedy made the bold public claim that the U.S. would land a man on the moon before a decade in February, 1962.

John Glenn became the first American to orbit to Earth. By the end of the year, the foundations of NASA Lunar Landing program dubbed Project Apollo were in place. So I was going to read all the Kennedy's speech, but that shit's going to be boring as fuck. Basically, this nigga was like, he was just calling his bay roof calling his shot. So they were hella behind in the space race. And he was like, check this out. By the end of the decade, we're going to have somebody in the move, which is a wild, it's a wild leap. And from 1961 to 1964, NASA's budget was increased.

increased almost 500%, and to me, this is the biggest point. When shit got hot, geopolitically, we found the funds, bothersome. So it increased almost 500% and the lunar landing program eventually involved some 34,000 NASA employees and 375,000 employees of industrial and university contractors. Apollo suffered a setback in January, 1967, when the three astronauts were killed after their spacecraft caught fire, excuse me, during a launch simulation. And the Soviet Union's lunar landing program proceeded tentatively, partly due to internal debate over its necessity, like Big T was saying, what the fuck are we doing this shit for?

And to the untimely death in January 1966 of Sergei Korolyoyov, I fucked that up, chief engineer of Soviet space program in December 1968 saw the launch of Apollo 8. The first man space mission from orbit to the moon from NASA's massive loss facility. Merrill Island near Cape Cuc, there you go. I was going to build that shit. On July 16th, 1969, Neil Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin, Michael Collins, set off to Apollo 11 space missions. After landing successfully, July 20th, Armstrong became the first man to walk on the moon service. and so that's where we leave off

and so and this is where all the shit starts right that's where the shit starts and so I kind of want to get y'all's thoughts I just want to kind of set the timeline and the reasons as to why we went to the movement in the first place together but now I kind of want to get into the reason why we're here

did we do it? Did we not do it? There's several reasons as to why I feel it's starting to spin out of control and why it's such a fucking juicy conspiracy in the first place. Yeah I mean I think everything you just went over the timeline leading up to it is what makes me most skeptical like the USSR was dominating us absolutely dominating us in the space race it would be extremely beneficial

for us to come out broadcast that we were on the moon whether or not we could um just like you were saying like communism was something that was the big bat back then like the united states did not want that infiltrating the United States. And U.S.S.R, the Cold War, was, I mean, people were diving under their desks at fucking school because they thought it could come at any moment. Like, I can't imagine how much, how tense people were every minute of every day thinking, like, the bomb's coming. Like, and we have very little heads up.

So, yeah, something like this, staging this makes a lot of sense in my mind. the thing that has me on the side of believing it, Buzz Aldrin will beat these shit out of you. If you even suggest that this was faked. A lot of people like to say like, oh, like you listen. Touch on that, though, because for people that don't know. Oh, I mean, every, and people love to, for whatever reason, like people love to press ball, Buzz Aldrin face to face about whether or not he landed

on the move, whether or not he's real. are faking this. And every single time, to his credit, he smokes that person in the face. Like, no hesitation. The second he thinks you're even going near the topic of the moon landing being fake, bang, right in the kisser. Every time.

It's always on site with Buzz. Yeah, Buzz, not with the shits. He don't get a fuck, no. What are they going to do? Arrest him? Of course not. He knows she's good. Which, which I feel, I do believe we landed on the moon, but someone would say, of

course they wouldn't arrest him. He got a bag in 1969 and immunity to beat the shit out of anyone who ever said it was fake. He did work for the government after all. For sure. I think the reason he has that immunity is because he's a national hero and an old man. And defending himself. Like he's not running up and just punching people unprovoked. He's always provoked. But like people like to say they do the same thing with the Jordan suspension. conspiracy. There are too many people involved to keep that a secret. A, the fact that we're constantly talking about these things as conspiracies leads me to believe they're not very secretive in the first place. And B, of course, people hold secrets all the fucking time. I don't

know why they act like a network of people. A, everyone doesn't need to be clued in on the conspiracy part of it, the 300,000 employees or 30,000, whatever you just said. They don't all need to know. A lot of them probably do think the missions are when I was planned. You only need a small group of people to actually know the truth. I don't think that that's a good counter argument as to why it isn't a conspiracy. Are you, so you're saying not everybody needed to know? Right. I think a lot of those people could have been part of the people who got conned.

But I mean, like, so I mentioned like there's like 375,000 people that worked on this shit. Like, and they're just not regular people. For sure. That's like some of the smartest motherfuckers that we have. It's like, you don't think somebody would be like, what are we doing? What do we really doing? I mean, I think if they think they were working towards the goal, we all agree there was a common goal here to land on the moon.

If that's the task people were given, and they just kept their head down, they're working on their part of the plan. Yeah, whatever the end result was, there are only three guys on the ship. You know what I mean? Like more, like how many more people had to know, two? Yeah, because there's just so much, so much involved in sending a rocket to space. It's not just the cat's in the front seat, you know me? I don't know. I just, go ahead.

I was going to say, if the rocket went to space, yeah, if it was just on a lot in Studio City, I don't know that it needed to have as much going to it. Again, I believe we landed on the moon. There's too much evidence to say that we did. However, I don't think people are like that insane. Because part of the reason why people question it, it is an insane thing to accomplish. Like, that is an absurd thing to pull off. So I get people's hesitancy to be like, did that happen?

I also think it's weird. It is both weird and not weird that we haven't landed on the moon since like 73, right? Like, it's been a long time since we've sent a manned craft to the moon. Do we need to keep going to the moon? No, no, we don't. But I do think it's strange, like, we just haven't come close to doing it in 50 years now. Right. And so this kind of, like, alludes to kind of how I wanted to structure this

because it was like setting a stage, right? And then kind of going over some of the things that people say and why they believe that we didn't go, right? And that is a very big one. So I have a list of them kind of acknowledged. So there was definitely, and this is to the point, right, there was definitely spacewalk photos that were faked for sure. We haven't gone back. The Van Allen radiation belt.

There was data lost. There was a moon rock that was deemed as petrified wood that was given. There's a Bill Clinton moon quote in his book, which I'll get to. And there's like a super sketchy interview with Buzz Aldrin and all of them after they came back, which is really fucking weird. I will admit that shit. And there's intersecting shadows and also the flag waving, right? And so I don't know if we have time to get to all of that shit, man. But, oh, and this is the big one, right?

Which I think kind of spurred all of this shit. It was like before the internet, there was no Twitter or YouTube and shit. There's a dude named Bill casing. And he wrote a book after, I think it was like in 71 or 72. Excuse me. It's called We Never Went to the Moon. And in the book, he has all of these. these wild outlet, bro, this cat said that none of the astronauts were actually there, right?

It happened on Area 51. They filmed it in Area 51, right? And that during the launch, they weren't actually there. They were actually in Las Vegas with strippers. And he alleges some, he alleges real shit. This is really the book, bro. He alleges that he didn't say which one, but he alleges. And now talking about it, we kind of know which one.

he's talking about but he alleges that somebody got in a fight over a stripper so i mean just kind of knowing cats it's not like some buzz auger and shit anyway oh yeah but uh he makes a lot of wild outlandish claims in that book none of which are are substantiated yeah substantiated with any kind of real evidence um it's just claim after claim after claim like he said he met a pilot that did such and didn't the biggest no flight logs go ahead the biggest the biggest thing I've learned from this episode is the barrier of energy to writing a book is

very low. Between the teacher we talked about earlier and this guy, 71, who was just like, you know what, fuck the moon. I got some things to say. It's just so specific that they was in Vegas. Like, yeah, I mean, I like the area

51 tie in. That definitely gets people to buy it. And that's like an extra level of like, oh, yeah, I'm all in on this. But yeah, that's very funny. like they barely would come back yet and he was just like nope so the interesting thing about this is he actually ushered in like the first wave of this didn't really happen so much as so there was a movie in 78 that came out called capricorn one and it was about NASA faking the Mars landing and they were trying to cover it up and so this it's kind of been steamrolling for for a while he also alleged that there was some NASA report that said the The odds of them doing this successfully were zero percent, and it was a NASA report. But he never provided the report, and people have looked for the report, and they don't know what a report is.

Odds are, it's not a real thing. But it's, to me, all of these things always have an origin, whether it's like flat earth or whether there's, there's always some origin, and it's always some, either somebody with like some profit motive or somebody without any substantiated claims. and kind of set in motion to all these things, but I did want to give credence to some of these, right? Because some of them are hella sketchy, right? And so there's this, the first one I had in mind of,

Big T you have anything to add before I keep going on? No, no, you're all good. All right. Michael Collins, Spacewalk. If anybody Googles this, you can see it. I'm going to pull it up right now. You can pull it up, too, if y'all want it. So the Michael Collins Spacewalk was a picture that I think NASA put out for kind of like

advertisement of the thing. And that's a big thing too. NASA's shit at PR, bro. They are really bad at PR. And I think- That's the moon landing Friday, 6 p.m. And so they have a picture that they put out of him that was actually doing a a spacewalk, but they just flipped it, reversed it, and, like, Photoshop shit in the

background. And it's obvious that that's what they did, right? And so this kind of stuff just gives credence to people saying that the shit didn't happen. And it's why it's so bothersome. But this is an actually thing that didn't happen. Next one I want to address is why haven't we gone back? In my opinion, it's very reasonable to believe we haven't been back because of lack of funding. We just saw their their budget increased 500% after Russia launched their shit. So after that they said what? The president was on board. He was like top priority. Yeah. And it was all just like I said, we was in the middle of a Cold War and we were trying to prove to ourselves and our citizens that we were the superior country. We've had no such geopolitical pressure

since them. And I think until something else like that manifests, we won't because we don't prioritize that as a country, as a world. That's not our priority is not exploration. It is not investigation. Our priority is either profits or geopolitics, natural resource gain or anything along those lines. I just don't see us making it a priority. already enough to increase funds like that. Do you, do y'all have any issues with that? Or do you like, no, we should have been back? Or do you understand that line of thinking, like, we just haven't had any funds to do so?

Yeah, I mean, I don't, like I was saying before, there was certainly an extreme amount of pressure to pull this off in the time. And there hasn't been anything even close since. And once it's done, like, you can't. Doing it again doesn't really do. Like, you're not putting numbers on the board. Like, people don't care of, like, the focus shifted to Mars. I feel like that was hot.

Like, that pops up every few years. I understand why we can't make that a manned mission. But it is weird that it's moved to, like, the attraction of space travel in general has moved to the private. Like, it's like a private war between billionaires now. Like, it's not countries. It's just individuals. Which is so a brand for us, by the way. A thousand percent.

But it's also like if, I think more to something you were saying, like, if, if the moon had oil, we'd be, there would be, it would be tethered to the earth. There would be a pipeline that was tethered to the United States. So the fact that it has no resources is, I think, the biggest reason why we haven't put more money into it less. the geopolitical thing since we it was basically like a global dunk contest we jumped from the free throw line um russia kind of just like tap the backboard and we were like yeah we win and that was it aggregate big t what you feel yeah that's what i'm saying like i get at the time why it was a thing and i'm sure at the time i would have been like we got to get to the fucking moon right now but looking back on it it's so stupid like who cares so stupid well there's a lot of stuff

NASA has developed that has helped our society. Oh, yeah, for sure. And it's a technological, technological marvel and an incredible achievement. But, like, you got on the moon. How, do we know how long they were on the moon? It feels like a real, like the buildup was way better than, you get there and you're like, okay, like, there's nothing up here. It's the moon.

We can go home. I feel like the, you walk out of the spacecraft, it should have been two minutes. Two minutes you're on the moon. This is what it is. them we're headed back. It says on here that they were on the mood for six hours or they were like physically there for six hours and 39 minutes. Yeah, that's crazy. What were they doing? I mean, you want to make that trip like you go stretch your leg. Yeah, that's fair. That's fair. You make it worth it. I mean, get your get the bang for your buck. But yeah, imagine if like you'd like if

you realized later like a one hour or more and we could have found this like you would have kicked you. That's fair. That's fair. And it's not it's not an easily replicable trip. That that that is fair. No, no. But it's just like, once you get there, like, okay. I don't understand how big the moon is. Like, if you're standing on it, if you were Buzz Aldrin, like, was it as big? Like, is it like me walking Manhattan? Or is it like me walking from like New York to California?

How big is it? I don't know the size, but I think it's big. The radius is 1,100 miles. So that would be like from here to Missouri-ish. So it's like not that big No that's why it's a moon No I mean you see it in the sky It's not taking up a lot of space

Right but when you like see those pictures from the moon landing of them Like physically with their feet on the ground in the moon It like kind of looks like it's just like a couple A couple blocks long It doesn't look that's hard with it's hard with like the vantage point Because there aren't like buildings or any nature or anything it's it's a desert more or less so it's like it's hard i get what you're saying it's hard to grasp the size of it and like every time we see it depicted in pop culture whether it be like

cartoons or movies like you always see like a person walking on the moon whereas if you try to show like a person walking on earth you have to zoom so far in right yeah the radius of the moon is from here to columbia missouri oh yeah wow did you just spitball that no i well i i guessed Missouri and then I looked it up and from here to Columbia, Missouri is 1,069 miles nice. The radius of the moon is 1,0709. So you nailed it. That's, that's pretty good. That's impressive, actually.

Well, I knew from here to Nashville is like 800 miles, so I was like, what's a little bit further than that, Missouri? That's fucking impressive, man. It's still pretty good. Yeah, I ain't mad at that at all. Shout out to Big T. Talk about the Flagway.

Yeah, that was another big one, so I was going to come to that. So flag waveing and intersecting shadows, right? So the flag waving, I get why people don't buy this shit, but it makes sense to me. They say that the reason why the flag is waving is because when they put it up, they did just, they were all about optics, right? They were saying, we need to make it look like, bam, have an impact, right? And so it would just be still. And so they put a metal rod on the top. I think they said that they put a metal rod on the top.

You can see it in the picture. Yeah. And they kind of maneuvered it to make it look like it was waving just for just for optics. And so that was their explanation. I don't see any reason for that, not to be the case. Wouldn't it without the rod, it would just like fall straight down, right? I don't know if it would fall, but it would take a little minute, but it wouldn't be. Yeah.

Yeah. I don't know enough about the physics of the moon. I'll keep it above. I don't know. And that would look. I feel like we would lose if the flag was like limp. You know what I mean? And that's what they wanted to avoid was they wanted to avoid like a limp looking flag.

And so they made it look kind of like American-esque flowing in the wind. That's what they wanted, which makes sense to me. I don't know. The other one was opposite or conflicting. light sources. And so this one also made sense to me when you look at the explanation from it is that the moon is a very reflective surface. So much so as you can see it from where we're at and that it wasn't like light was definitely coming from the sun being its main source, but light was coming from other places as well because the moon has such a reflective

surface. There was also one that was saying there was another light source on it because it was a stage that there was a dude climbing out of the landing rover or whatever it's called and he was in the shadow so he should have been not visible um but again they didn't account for the reflective surface of the moon and how much that how much light that emitted and that created um you all have any contentious points with that one no i mean we definitely had the technology to pull off a fake moon landing I do believe that

at the time see I think that's why I disagree Stanley Kubrick yeah Kubrick was I mean a space odyssey 2001 came out in 68 yeah

that was so he filmed it two years before or at the moon and that movie is still visually stunning do you want to grab you want to go into that and that was going to

that does feel a bit on the nose like that we would have hired the guy who made space movie. I mean, it makes sense, but it's also like hiding in plain sight. Maybe that was a plan. I mean, I get what you're saying, but like, you wouldn't want

like a second rate director making it look shitty. Yeah. You know what I mean? But imagine how much money they would have had to pay him to get. I guess the amount of money that you could have paid people to keep it a secret and the amount of money it really would have taken to gone to the, to go to the moon would be, you'd probably

come out cheaper the former. So yeah a big conspiracy is like uh the shining the shining uh i've actually never seen the movie um oddly enough but the shining they say that ready player one that's facts that is facts have you seen ready for one yet let me tell you something let me tell you something i was laying in bed last night it was about 11 o'clock and i was like let's just see i went on netflix it wasn't on Netflix and it's on HBO. So I went on HBO and I was sitting at the screen. It was like 1115 and I was like

I can't make this commitment right now. I was a little too tired but I started to do it. I started to do it. I appreciate the attempt. I'm telling you. We're getting very close. We're getting very close. If it was searched it up. If it was 9.30 you would have had a you would have had some thoughts on the movie from me today.

That's fucking funny man. So in The Shining, there's a bunch of what they would call, like, Easter eggs or stuff like that in the movie that they're saying Stanley Kubrick was alluding to the fact that it was not a real thing, that we did not go to the moon. And there's various different reasons. I'm going to go over all of them. And a lot of it's a lot of conjecture. but the wild part was the kid in the movie he's wearing this Apollo 11 t-shirt that's kind of wild

and there's all kinds of like little things he left in there like I think originally in the book it was like the room number was different in that hotel or whatever they were staying at and he changed it to 237 because 237 was a distance correlated to how far away the moon is like 237,000 or something like that

so there's a bunch of little different things like that and what they're saying is the admittance of like you said hiding in plain sight it's a conspiracy i didn't really get much into because i haven't seen the movie so i can't really speak on it like that but i just read a couple of their of their hidden their main points yeah what the only thing i'll say to that is kubourke is like uh genius to the point where if he wanted to pull off something like that he could have yeah i heard he's really like where i would like do super high level match shit just for fun. Yeah, he was, I think he's the best director all time,

and I don't know why that's not more widely accepted as a viewpoint. Like, not that no one else thinks that. Other people obviously think that, but I'm shocked. It's not like kind of how we talk about Jordan. Like, yep, what's debate number two? I don't know how much about him. Is he dead? Yeah.

Yeah. He, uh, I wasn't, I don't think it was too long ago. Like 20 years or so. I don't, I think it was in the early because he made, I was 99, okay. What do you make, Eyes Wide Shut was his last one? And that was 99. So that came up the year he died. If you've never seen any of his movies.

No, well, I mean, I don't know. I don't know enough about him to say yes or no, did I? Like, I know I haven't seen The Shining. I haven't seen Nightwise yet. Have you seen Clockwork Orange? I know it's a book, though. Yeah, I haven't seen the book. I think they all are.

If I were you, I would start with a clockwork orange. Maybe a 2001 Space Odyssey, since that was, you love space so much. But Clockwork Orange is such a like haunting projection of what the future is going to devolve into. And if you don't take it as like a literal representation of what the future is going to devolve into, he kind of fucking nails it. I'm definitely down to check your mouth. Let me see what else gives credence to this shit. One was in Bill Clinton, and he had an autobiography, and he talked about a story of like a carpenter he worked with.

And he said, the old carpenter asked me if I really believed it happened. I said, sure, I saw it on television. He disagreed. He said that he didn't believe it for a minute, and that them television fellers could make anything look real that wasn't. And then I think later on he went on to say, I wondered if he was ahead of his time. So they kind of used that as, oh, shit, my bad. They kind of used that to say, you know, Bill Clinton knew some shit. This is another one. I think if we didn't, Trump would have been to blew the whistle.

Trump would have been saying that, especially now. You know what I mean? Like, Trump would have been said, you know what? Fuck it. I'm letting it loose. Do you think they treated him like a real president and told him everything like the rest of the president? I think it's a fair question. I don't know that he got the full debriefing. Well, it was on record that he didn't read a lot of the debriefings. Also true. Yeah, they could put all sorts of secrets. He would have asked about this, though. I feel like on day one, I'm asking about this. I'm asking about Area 51. I want, listen, let's take one.

day, let's put all our cards on the table and then we'll get back to doing real president shit. But I got elected. I'm the most powerful person in the world. My first order of business is finding out all this shit. I feel like you can't fully do your job without knowing these answers. I agree. I can truly believe that. I'm okay with that. I'm okay with that agenda, 50. Yeah, day one, let's lay everything out. Give me be part of the administration. I'm down with that. Yeah, I don't know, man. What cabinet position you want. I don't make one up This is pure nepotism

Secretary of Running backs Give me Give me till Wednesday And I'll come up with a cabinet position for you I like that I like you I think I think you should come up with one for me as well

I could be the liaison for our science education The liaison from the public to the science educators. I would like to do that. That feels like actual work, though. But not really. You just tell me what to do. I'll summarize and make it sound cool. Here's a summary.

Everybody has to watch Ready Player 1. That'd be fire. First order business. The United States wants everybody to download HBO Max and watch Ready Player 1. Government subsidized, of course, I presume. Of course, we've got to take care of people. Yeah, free trial weekend on the press.

you'll be you'll poll great you know you really would you know that's not a whole like like employers do stuff like that like at barstall we get like you get 80 bucks a month in free uber eat stuff like just just to be cool like the government if if you got poll numbers like Biden and kamala have right now they should be like you know what this week they should try pf t's like free pizza thing it's free pizza Friday wherever you want it's on us free pizza or just like you know like health care yeah go go get a go get a checkup on us you know I'm saying like go get it's on us something like co-pay today's taking care of your yearly everyone gets a yearly checkup anything more that's on you but we'll at least check you out if

you find cancer during your screening pull yourself up by your bootstraps but at least you found it yeah I don't know I had like three or four other things but I think we it's it's I mean, unless y'all have anything else, man. It gets, to me, it got really boring, really fast looking at the debunking of a lot of this stuff. Because they're very real explanations, but they're just not as sexy as the conspiracies. The conspiracy is very sexy, dog. But, like, it's just not as fun to talk about. Like, there's just real explanation.

Science is boring as fuck. Math is boring as fuck. You have to love that shit in order to, like, study it. And so when people hear about a lot of the shit that went on and what, it takes for it to go on they lose interest to be like yeah but then they fill in the blank yeah i mean i think it's an important topic for us to hit on because i do really believe this to be like the first conspiracy a lot of people felt either fell in love with or gave credence to like when you talk conspiracies overall like lizard people skin walkers like a lot of

of them are a little bit more still even to this day like underground moon landing is the conspiracy of all conspiracy like that's numero uno i don't know what's ever going to replace that but it's been talked about so long that i think it's lost for from our perspective is like people talking about it like if we did this show 10 years ago even i think it's a lot juicier of a conversation there aren't as many debunkings there aren't as many boring science facts like you're talking about it's more just riffing off of the cuff what you feel. We've gotten to a point where it's been talked about

it's like flat earth. Like flat earth does nothing for me. I'd rather talk about whether or not birds are real. Like that's a more interesting conspiracy to me. Which is fucking hilarious. Have you guys seen Transformers? There's like four of them or something. Well, yeah. So the one of them is called

the dark side of the moon. And it hasn't been proven that Centennial Prime just isn't on the moon. The heating crash a ship on the moon. There's no, there's no proof. I'm just saying. It would be cool if Transformers were real. Shit. I think, and this is what I think.

I think that there is an alien civilization out there that's just far technologically advancing us. Like, crazy. Like, can't even fathom the shit that they do or they're into. And they look at us like, we look at ants in the Amazon. They're like, we don't want to deal with them. There was a point. I was going to say there was a point in my life where I looked

at cars thinking that like they were transformers and my parents had to convince me that they weren't like i was convinced that there were certain vehicles on the road that were transformers and that they were just going to start it all out attack maybe they gaslighting you and this is real who knows that's what i'm just saying it's never been proven that he didn't crash a ship on the dark side of the moon i heard i heard something what now i don't remember what you just said that made me think of it oh the alien thing i heard somebody say recently i forget who it was um But that if we ever proved that we were living in a simulation, we would be the AI that became sentient.

And that fucked me up. That's interesting. If we were living in a sense, yeah. That's actually wild. I mean, that's a, that's a whole, another bag of worms is, are we living in a simulation? Here's my question. I don't know.

Here's my question. Do you think there's things, do you think there's things that they saw on the moon. If they were actually on the moon, do you think there's something that they saw on the moon that are like completely classified? Not just like, you know what I'm saying? Do you think they saw anything different? They were like, oh, God, like we got to write this down. Yeah. Not tell anybody. I think they definitely took notes. I definitely think they jotted some stuff down. But I do think the moon just kind of, it kind of does suck. Like it's boring. It's not, I would love for that to have been the case, but it is kind of just a big rock. True.

it is it's a big rock with some holes in it can we haven't really explore the dark side though right we can't i'm saying cold that's what i'm saying arian well see i think that's the the biggest issue with our government and how they operate is they always try high shit and that's the problem and they think that they just looking out for our well-being or maybe the public can't take whatever it is bro if you just straight up you're like man i told you all in the 60s one shit on the moon you know what i mean like it would just be so much better that we could have a receipt of them telling the truth, but they're always lying.

So anything that they tell us, we're always skeptical about it. But just sometimes the truth is not that fun. Sometimes the truth is fucking boring. Sometimes the truth. You know what I'm saying? But we always find ourselves lying to the public. They got their reasons. But if they were, if they was just straight up, it would be so

much easier to talk to people about this kind of stuff. But because they lie all the time, can't trust them. Can't put them on the field. The real move, sneaky would have been like, coming back being like you wouldn't believe this shit that's up there forcing Russia to go up there wasting their time while we were dealing with stuff down here I like that would have been great like oh man yeah I'm not gonna tell

you you're gonna go find out for yourself making Russia be like oh fucking fine and then we just buzz Aldrin them from from the ground pump fake I like that that'd be I'm surprised he hasn't done like some uh celebrity death mansion shit on the moon he he he's angry onry little motherfucker bray he he's trying to really slap people brad shit hilarious oh if if if you were the first person to walk on the moon and you constantly had people telling you it didn't actually happen like i'm sure you'd be pretty pissed off too yeah i mean my twitter dm's full of people who always talk of shit and i talk shit back yeah we've got an army of people telling you that you didn't have great hands like i'm sure

that in fury yeah hey my mom's is on my mom's be on on your head about that you too. Colie, who do he thinks more on site? Buzz Aldrin or Charles Oakley? Buzz for sure.

Charles Oakley like Charles Oakley just looks down on people to the point where it's like you're not even

worth my time. Gotcha. I love Buzz Aldrin, man. He's such a character. I sent the video in the chat. I know if you saw it, Aaron.

It's hilarious. You got to watch you. I need to hear your reaction. Here, let me. You got to skip a little bit though it's like a whole part it's like a and then the guy just walks up to him and he absolutely rocks him this also uh just got confirmed two hours ago uh ina's freedom is speaking uh at CPAC florida 22 wow it's a great conference no no way color me shocked

it's a great conference they got some good it's a three-day conference is that that's not even the same time as the all-star game is it like what he's just leaving trash for three days is he good at basketball anymore no below average that's not during the austral wait when is this it's uh

February 24th through the 27th and the all star game is the 20th so the 24th they're playing here and he's just in Florida the 26th they play in Detroit and the 27th they play in Indiana I thought they were going to be playing like

the magic or something and he was like oh it works out I can go Yop My man stole him Sorry I just watched the Buzz Alder video Bray Very fun

Ain't just like lightly Old man tap him in a You stole him The dude for sure Yo He stole him That's hilarious Buzz Alderman is very much

About that life I love that too Because like if Justin Bieber Punches the paparazzi People go crazy Like if people punch the paparazzi It's like a whole story Wellz Aldjan does it

They're like he's just an old guy who gets mad. Oh, it was, it was a story, but everyone's on his side. Yeah. That's funny. Yeah. Put your hand on the Bible. Tell me, you went to the move.

Won't he not do that? He won't swear on the Bible that he's no. Well, I think it's just weird that people are. No, I agree with him, but that's another conspiracy like, oh, he won't swear on the Bible. Yeah. It's not like the end-all be-all. Yeah. To them it is.

But I, my man's is out to eat with a little shorthy. You know what I'm saying? He's doing his thing And some weird One of his strip of her friends Yeah, one of his stupid They met in Las Vegas during the moon mission And some weird old comes up

With a Bible doesn't swear on this That you have him going on the moon He's like, bro, I'm about to And he does I finish my chicken palm, please Yeah, bro, I'm witty. I'm witty man, what a bum that dude is. Falka fuck a Buzz Aldrin

That's my, that's the rest of my life energy. I feel bad for the third guy. Michael was Michael Collins? Yeah. nobody ever talks about this no it's like neil nil armstrong and buzz aldrin or two on top of being like tremendous human beings like hall of fame names neil armstrong and buzz all like very strong names michael collins is just like yeah i guess he was there too i didn't know who that was until just now yeah i'm gonna be honest i never heard that

before in my life right yeah it's like he landed one of the first three people like we we just don't give a fuck. It's tough. Would you have wanted to have gone first or second stepping on the moon? First. What kind of question is that? Yeah, me first. Me first.

You don't, you literally don't know what's on there. I understand. I understand your reservations. But me, I've always thought like, so like one time I had a thought, right? And I was smoking with a buddy who smokes. Like, he smokes a lot. And I don't really smoke that much because like, like, every now and then it just takes me to a place. I don't like to go.

You think about space too much to be smoking. That's the problem. My brain don't stop. And when I smoke, it hell of it don't stop. And so I was smoking and like, one time I was like, I don't, like, I get nervous. I get in my head and I'm like, man, I don't want to be the first person to die on weed. And he was smoking. He was like, that'd be fucking awesome.

He was like, I want to get his name. He was like, I want to get his name high. You know what I'm saying? I want to get Aryan high. It's like, that would be great to be known like that. And I'm like, that's his thing. So like with the space shit, that's my shit. If I died on a moot, you're immortalized.

Surviving you getting pretty close to being immortalized, too. If you died from weed, you're demoralized. Yeah. If you died from weed, they would make that shit more illegal than it's ever been tomorrow. Like, I, no one should want to be the first person to die from weed. He was, he was with that shit. I get what it, like, that's a very stoner thought of him to have. It's just, he wasn't thinking it all the way through.

No, I promise he, I promise he, he would absolutely want to. I'm talking about this. seeing him sober is weird like oh it's weird as fuck though like I don't think it's been a while did you've seen him sober he connects blunts

a day just back and wake up and that's what he does like Snoop from when I when I was hanging out with Snoop Snoop the same way too like just blood after blood

I'm like because I'll hit it and after about six seven hits I'm stuck yeah I can't talk to you I just stare at you. I'm thinking things and I'm thinking I'm talking, but I'm not.

You know what I mean? It's like, what am I? I start thinking about my hand placement. Like, is this, is this normal? Do people normally do this with their hands? That's not going through that whole process, right? Like, that's why I can only do it. Maybe one or two heads, bro, I'm not a smoker.

Snoop's weed, from everything I've heard, I've never obviously tried it. But everything I've heard is I wouldn't be able to handle it. Like 10 years ago, yeah, I would have been sitting there right with them having the time of my life. Now, no, that would happen in the hospital. Have I told my Snoop story on this? I think I don't know. Yeah, it was a long time ago, though. I've tried Snoop's

week. Never again. He's just like Iron Man. Like, he's like unstoppable. Like he's just, he'll smoke anybody out. I'll bet on Snoop. That's for sure. I'll absolutely bet on Snoop, man. That motherfucker fucking be smoking, man. He had me walking. I took one hit. I was fucking I just left.

I don't even know if I said bye to him. You were in the club, weren't you? Yeah, he was at some club. He pulled me up there. And I just, I think, I don't even know how I exited the conversation. I think it's one of those where I just kind of like Homer Simpson backed up. And I can't handle how high I am right now. So I got to go reevaluate my life before I have a panic attack in front of Snoop, though.

Sneaky, a great defense system for him. Like anyone who he doesn't want to be around anymore, he's like here. Because no one's going to turn it down Snoop Dog. That's the only reason why I did. Like I said, I'm not really a smoker like that. But Snoop offer you weed, it's in the bylaws of the U.S. Constitution. You have to, you have to smoke it. Have to.

I mean, he, for someone who I feel like Snoop Dog, we might need to have to do an episode on because I feel like, or at least maybe a snacker dosing, like, he was arrested for murder, no? yeah like oh he had oh he had a case right yeah murder was the case like he like i feel like that's so that's 10 lifetimes ago for snoop like now he's he's got a bick lighter endorsement with martha stew like they're both on the package he coached youth football he went from that to to being a mentor for young children that's that's probably more normal than you think though like a lot of a lot of A lot of cast in the neighborhood go through shit in jail

come back and help the youth out. That's actually normal. But the Martha Stewart cooking show and shit. Yeah, he's one of the most beloved figures of, like, by far. Yeah. If he ran for president, I know people probably wouldn't take him super seriously,

but his approval rating would be through it. Like, who's anti- Snoop Dog in 2022? I was going to say in terms of like universal approval, The Rock is up there with him. not at the moment but yeah oh yeah i mean yes uh not what happened what oh he he he just responded to georgans first apology video last week being like i support you i i can't wait to come on and share my tequila with you and then the new uh compilation video went viral and people for for fair fair fair fair i had a new video drop yeah and people were like hey the rock this is

your boy right and he was like ah geez this is what i signed up what did it was What did he say? What did he say? He tweeted like, I'm sorry. I didn't know he had ever said anything like that. Let me find the tweet. Yeah, it's, it's tough. That's wow.

He was like, I was just trying to promote my tequila. Now I'm stuck in this. But that's, and so strategically, and that's so funny, man, because strategically the rock has stayed out of any political conversation. And he because he understood his universal lovability. Right. But I'm talking by as soon as my man puts a toe in the water, man, they're on his head. They on his head, on his head. But that's, but that's, that's the polarization we're living. And while I was always under the, like, fuck it, be you. People going to hate you for whatever you do, man. Pock said it best. So just be you. Like, that's why I never trust people with no dirt on them. I don't trust these like politicians kissing babies. Like, show me what you've done in your life. Show me the bad shit you've done and how you have recovered from it and how you've learned from it. And how you've learned. from it. But all these fucking perfect humans, I don't like them. I don't trust them. They got bodies. I don't trust them. You have a pick, too? Yeah, some guy named Don Winslow

tweeted him as like, you're a hero to many people using your platform to defend your Rogan, a guy who has used and laughed about using the inward dozens of times as a terrible use of your power. He said, dear Don Winslow, thanks so much for this. I hear you as well as everyone 100%. I was not aware of his inward use prior to my comments, but now I've become educated to educated to his complete narrative learning moment for me. Mahalo brother and have a great and productive weekend. Signed DJ.

He signed. That's such a non-statement. Yeah. He threw a soft curve. I do think I do think the phrase educated to his complete narrative is an interesting choice of words. Also wrong. Like that doesn't mean he learned everything about Joe Rogan just because of this too.

Like he respects. Yeah. I love when celebrities sign off like with their initials. Hulk Hogan's the best at it, but that's a good one. I like DJ. Yeah, but for him, like that'll blow out in two days. Nobody will remember that he said it. And he'll be right back to 100%.

Trying to think if anybody else is that high. I think Shaq's up there. Yeah, absolutely. Definitely up there. Oh, matter of fact, I'll put Shaq above, Snoop. Wow. You got to remember, he did play for the Lakers. My man, my man.

my man has a commercial with maybe every kind of product there is lotion car insurance back pain shit i don't i can't name it like so his face is just pizza it's just everywhere don't get the chakaroni though it's trash somebody did me and said i got the wrong shackaroni. I just, I ordered the chacaroni. I ordered the chacaroni. We might have to give it a second shot for our guy. I don't think it exists anymore. I think it's good. I think it was like a promotional deal.

Promotional. Yeah. I mean, he owns Krispy Kreme. Like he does every like, I can't imagine. The only person when I, I came out of the old office one day and I was walking and there was like this tea like Nouveau tea place on the corner.

and there were celebrities that popped in and out of there all the time and there were celebrities that like I don't get phased by celebrity at all because we deal with them in this world and I saw people sticking there like up to the glass like peeking in and I was like that like that usually doesn't happen and so I look in and fucking it's shack and I call our camera people immediately and I'm just like shacks downstairs like I wouldn't do that for any like Brad Pitt, nobody, like, nobody else would have gotten me to take out my phone and be like, we need to get Shaq captured on camera. Like, he was this close to the office.

Acture Shaq. I got, I got two. And there was three, but I got, I got two citadies where I, I feel like I would be visibly starstruck. I think I've said it before. But it's, uh, it's Hove and, and Jim Carrey. Okay. It was Kobe and I met him and I was absolutely Starstruck.

But I kept it together. I absolutely kept it together. Proud of you. Okay, I bet, man. It was tough. But I was like, acting so cool. Like, in the picture I took with him, I was like, and he was all cheeszing and I was like, your cool ass.

Do y'all have any start? Y'all have any, like, well, you would probably be Starstruck if you see me. I met. Or her. I met Calvin Johnson. And I like, literally, I couldn't talk. I grew up, you know, in Georgia, watching Georgia Tech and stuff. And he was like, he's still, Georgia fan.

No. He's still, he's still my favorite football player ever. And, like, I met him and I, like, I couldn't speak. Like, I didn't know what to do. That's cute. I was a kid, though. I was probably 12, 13. The hardest.

It shows you humility, man. Like, I like, not you and gentlemen, but it's like in general. It shows, like, the humility of, of humans to be like, to have admiral. for somebody else to where kind of like takes you, you know, you beside yourself. Yeah. I like it. What's yours, Colin? The hardest for me was I was at the All-Star Game in Charlotte a few years ago.

And me and Tyler had built a relationship with the retired players association. So we were staying in the hotel with like legends. And it didn't really cross my mind until he was walking towards us that Bill Russell would be there. And he just like, the whole room changed. like everyone was just like that's bill russell even like dekembe was like that's bill russol um and the dude who runs the retired uh players association scott rachel was just like i mean you guys have to go over and tyler was like had to like push me over there and like i had to walk up to him and be like mr russell like it's such an honor like i'm like i'm wearing a boston hat as i

always am so it was just and i sound like how i sound so i was just like i'm I'm from Boston, like, I just wanted to say thank you for everything. And it was like the day after his birthday. So I was like, I just wanted to say also happy birthday. And he leaned over. And he was just like, don't live this long. And he has such an icon, like, he has such a great laugh. And he just like, he pauses for a second and stares at us.

And then he starts dying laughing. And I was just like, but Russell just kind of told me to kill my. myself and it's the best coming in my life. Absolutely incredible. That's fucking dope, man. Yeah. What a story. Yeah.

I had one moment where I didn't take, I seen, um, Kareem Rdujabar. He was at a Dodger game this last summer. And he was just sitting there and I was like, I'm not, I can't, I can't, I can't go up to. Like, this is not the time. Like, I don't, I don't. No, that's a weird spot. And it's like, it's got to be weird for you too, because like, you do have, like a level of fame when you did play a sport,

like at the highest level like he did, but there's still, there's just levels. Massive amounts of discrepancy. Like, he wouldn't know who I was. But more so, I just, I always look. I was like, I still don't bother because he's just out here trying to enjoy the ballgame like I am. So I was like, I let it be.

It happened in my mind. That's good enough for me. We had Karim on the show twice. And it's like, he was our second interview ever. So I went from Mike Conley, Jr., who I love like Conley Jr. I was nervous for that too. But like the next day, our second interview ever was Toreem Abdul-Jabbar. And I was just like, man, oh, man, I don't want to fuck. I don't want to fuck this one up. Yeah. Real fucking quick. Yeah. So we were talking to him and like us and part of my

take interviewed him in tandem. And he sat at the table and his legs like he sat at it at the head of the table and his legs were the like longer than the length of like a decent size table and it was just like surreal to ask him questions and like get him to laugh and stuff like that because kareem's like a very particular dude like he's super opinionated on stuff obviously he changed his name to kareem abdul jubar like he has he's got some takes um and it's like that's someone like i respect even though he's like a laker uh and it was just like so and then the second time we talked to him like he obviously why would he remember remember us. So it was kind of like having to do it the first time all over again.

I don't want to say intimidating, but it's just like he's got this like stoicism about him and all this earned respect. And like he was doing the marches and all this stuff. Like just such an important human that it's like certain people like if I like I fucked up a part of an interview with Chris Sale. And I love Chris Sale, but like doesn't really haunt me. If I'd fucked up a Kareem interview or talking to Bill Russell, like I would never get over that. Yeah, that's tough. That's tough you had to meet some of the heroes, though. They always say don't meet your heroes.

I say do, though. Have you all ever, like him at somebody that was an asshole? I mean, yeah, but, like, I don't know. I did, but I didn't, I kind of put it into context. Like, one of my who is, like, relatively to the superstars we're talking about, is not on that level, but to me is. Right. And maybe to some other people, but skip to my loo. To me, like the greatest streetballer of all time, right?

And I just grew up idolized and skipped my loo. And so I'm not saying he was an asshole, but I was like, I was a kid, 11 years old. And I went to one of the annual mixtape tours in L.A. And I asked him to sign my towel. And he just like was kind of like nonchalant about it. I was like, fuck, he fucking towel is so hard to sign. He just kind of threw it back. At the time, I was like, it hurt my feelings.

But as an adult, I'm like, man, he probably got asked every fucking day, every tour. And towels are hard to sign. Like, it's hard to write on them shits. Like, and so I understood where it was coming from. Like, it wasn't, I just didn't take it personally. And so I think it kind of changed my perspective when once I had a little bit of fame versus me as a child, I understood the humanity part of it. And how easy it is for somebody who doesn't go through it every day to be like, it's not hard to be hard to a child. Well, it is when there's fucking thousands of them throughout the course of your life.

And they're not all nice either. and then their parents are not nice either and then you deal with all the other stuff involved it's just I can see how a celebrity sometimes would be like what do you want though what do you want like I've been rewatching the last dance is like the show I fall asleep to

a lot recently yeah and it's like I think it's hard to it's kind of like talking about the universe it's hard to grasp how famous Michael Jordan is and I'm sure there are people out there who had bad experiences with him

like just because of the amount of experiences he's had with the general public but like overall like the amount of like talking to kids and signing the stuff that he did like it's got to be in like the millions probably yeah i was going to say because i've seen it before a lot with like celebrities and athletes um if it's a one-on-one situation and they're kind of like a dick i can see why people call them an asshole but like when When it's a situation like they're coming out of a building and thousands of people are asking for autographs and stuff, I can totally see why they don't sign because if they sign for one, they feel like they got a sign for all. And then they're just going to be looked at as an asshole anyway. So I totally see that side of like, you know, they might not always come out and sign or take pictures because of that reason because they feel like they have to do it for everybody.

So I totally get that. I don't know if I've told this on here, but when I was a security guard at Fenway, you were security guard at Fenway? Yeah. That's awesome. Um, they, they have the adult autograph seekers, who I'm sure Aryans, uh, are accustomed to. Woted. They just waited out. Huh? Yeah. The worst. They would hang outside gate D and they just had binders of glossy eight by like eight by all that. It's for my kid, man. You can you can personalize

it to me, man. I promise this for my guy, bro. Get the fuck out my face. They get backbacks like they carry like they have little kids just. just to try and Trojan horse their way. But the worst, and they'd ask me, like, when's this guy coming out? Like, I'm the lowest paid person here. I have no fucking clue. Like, don't ask me. And Yu Darvish was a rookie.

Hugh Darvish, Arrian, was a Japanese pitcher who came over. And any time, like, he was one of the big, like, he was supposed to be that guy. And he is really good. But anytime those guys come over, like, especially that first year, they're mega stars. because those rookie autographs, I'm sure, as you know, go for way more. And so he comes out finally. I was shocked he even came out that way. But he comes out and immediately gets mobbed.

And he's talking loudly in Japanese on his phone to very much be like, I don't understand any of you. Then he sees me in the security outfit. And like, he's mobbed. And he leans over to me and he goes, where can I get a cab in perfect English? and I just go over there and he just nods

goes back on his phone goes back to loudly speaking in Japanese and bolts down the street I was like what a legend that's awesome brilliant mind I love that that's dope man that's dope now I tend to give

celebrities in the benefit of doubt but I also think people in general are assholes so they probably probably are assholes, but I still give them the benefit of doubt in those situations. Because it's just, it's mad at, like, I had some run-ins with people, though. Like, I've had people, like, tweet me shit that was, like, not true. And I remember what they're talking about. Like, one dude was like, fuck Aaron Foster.

And I was like, why, bro? And I hit him back, I was like, why? Like, why fuck me? What did I do to you? I just had time that day. And he was like, you, you were working out at, Rice, this is a university here. You're working at Rice and a group of kids came up to you and you told him not right now I'm working out. I'm like, dog, that is the biggest crock and shit

I've ever heard of my life. I was like, I was like, not only are you lying. I have witnesses. And so I text my brother and I text a dude they used to work out with us who was a pro bowl tight in Owen Daniels. I texted him to because he worked out with us that entire summer. And I was like, was there ever a group of kids that came up to us and I denied them? Because kids would come up all the time, though. He was like, no, fuck, no. I don't, I don't do that shit. So I text that dude back, I DMed him those pictures.

And I was like, you're lying, fan. He's like, I saw it with my own eyes. I was like, I don't give a fuck. You're a fucking liar. But it's just like, I don't know. You get a whole bunch of stories. Like, people will make up. I've recently heard, dog, here's some gossip.

You want to hear some gossip? Yeah. Yeah. I heard. Y'all was jumping on that one. I heard from a bird, it got back to me. They was like, yo, you have a baby. And I was like, and in my mind, like, I know, I know my body count.

So I was like, burr, oh, shit. I was nervous as fuck. And the person tells me, yeah. So this person reached out to me and showed her pictures. And I was looking at the baby. I was like, and she's like eight years old now. And I was like, my, ah, man, I don't know, man. So I was like, tell me more who was this person.

Who starts telling me about this. story about a place that I used to, just that I flew her out to and we would go there and I would, I would fly her out and put her up and we would do what we did. I'm like, no, I don't fly people out like that. This is a bold face lie. I looked at the picture. Never saw this woman in my entire life. It was, it was just a lie, but like, it was a real rumor that was going around. Like, I had a fucking stray baby out here, though. That shit crazy. All my stray babies are counter for this was this was recent that this happened now I'm talking two three weeks ago I thought this was a few years ago I was because I was like and and in the time frame of when

the baby would have been born I was going through something relationship wise where I was trying to be good and so I know I didn't do any kind of travels to where this woman said I was going and I hadn't I hadn't been to that place that this woman said I was since 2009 so there's no way that I was there. So a 13-year-old on the table. Yeah, maybe. For sure. But, like, to have somebody tell you, dog, that you got a straight baby, and there's a story behind it,

it's probably one of the scariest shits that you could probably be. Because I was reckless in my younger years. Like, I was really recognized that. I'm not there now, though. I love love right now. Like, I am a lover right now. Well, yeah, your Instagram stories this weekend where, and I mean this seriously, adorable um i'm sick by the way your pictures with your wife also adorable my brother thank you i

appreciate that i feel like we should normalize that as men to talk about how fucking how inspiring it is to see faithful men trying to do the right things fighting evil you know what i mean thousand percent as an evil world we live in evil world um um what stage of that conversation and i'm it could be very early of surprising me and big do not get these allegations lobbyists. I don't want to speak for Big T. I'm just assuming. No, you're correct. Yeah. What stage of your thought process as bad as it is to say, does paternity test come up? If I recognized the woman, I'm saying, okay, even then I'm still not thinking paternity test. I'm having a conversation with her, right?

And depending on how that conversation goes, then I'm doing, I'm doing paternity test. Okay. Because another big factor is, okay, if she knows what I do for a living, why am I just not here? Why have you never pressed me for child support? You know what I mean? It doesn't make any sense. And so when she gave me the full story, I hadn't been to that city since 2010. There's just no way I, it's not true.

But that's a motherfucker. Stressful. Boy, I thought I was not expecting that. I love how recent it was. It just happened. Just happened. Man, that's not one you just lightly gloss over in a conversation. That's like, that's a conversation stopper.

We had to stop what we was talking about. And we had to address the situation. Did the person who brought it up to you not realize that? They just kind of mentioned it casually? No, they believed it because the child favors me. fairly light skin, very similar nose, right? I could see it, maybe. I feel like you're saying things that a lawyer would tell you not to say.

No, no, fuck that shit. Nah. It's funny. I had been there. I mean, not when she said, but yeah, it looks like me a little bit. I say, it's very funny. I do agree. That is a funny joke.

But in all honesty, like I have not. Now you really feeling like I'm guilty. I mean, big team's not wrong. You've said a couple of things circumstantially. I was listening to myself now. I definitely sound like guilty as fuck. But it's the it. Where's the Bible and Buzz Alder now?

You're going to have to knockout anyone who accused. No, like I said, all my stray babies accounted for, man. I got enough headaches. I was going to say, you were just talking about how much you spent on Christmas this year. You weren't even factoring in another person to next year as I was splurge. I mean, I had a good pandemic, man. I'm not going to lie. Some things when I was a capitalist fell through and I made a lot of money during the pandemic. But Big T's itching to say something. I mean, listen, he's he's the first socialist I met that got to make $40 million.

So more power to him. That's not true even. But I'm also not a, I'm also not a socialist that I've met, communist, whatever. There's a difference, dog. Socialism is the economic wing of communism. Explain how. Oh, boy. Well, we were having such a great time.

Talking about your may or may not be illegitimate children, it was a ball. It was a ball. Now we got to dive into economic theory. Now, Big T's got to unload the clip. Yeah, there's, I mean, there's a dude who went viral last week. who's a quote unquote socialist who bought a was it a Porsche oh yeah it's not no it's the guy who

said he would want to come on this show yeah he's like he's like one of the he's like one of the biggest leftist stringers that there is the biggest one actually yeah we should have him all now I really want to have a line we can't we can't get him on like at the second but I'm sure he'll come on positive he said on one of his things that he wanted to come on the show Yeah, he'll definitely come on. He mentioned Aryan, PFT, and the right-wing guy that they have on the show. Yeah, Billy. No, and I don't understand that critique.

And maybe you can enlighten me, Big T. I don't understand that critique when they see people who advocate for socialism make money. I'm so confused as to that critique. I mean, unless you don't share that. what do you mean unless you agree that under socialist policies you can make money

but if you agree with that then I'm saying it's well you you have advocated for a society where money just doesn't exist at all yes that's communism yes right but that's my utopia that's my utopia yeah but you live an awesome life because you got to make a shit ton of money

because the market dictated that you should make a shit ton of money right but that that that's not what socialism is that's what i like i don't understand like how are they at odds you making money and and and wanting will you directly make money from an industry that many people are like these people shouldn't make money at all like all that money should go to teachers and doctors stuff why do we pay people to play sports well because the market dictates that people want to watch that and they'll pay for it so like you made money doing maybe the most like capitalistic industry we

half. So what is your working definition of capitalism? Maybe that's our disconnect. Because I don't... Letting the market decide what's worthwhile and what's not. That's not necessarily true within the NFL. Well, that's the, but it's also not, it's not, it's not beholden to capitalism. Capitalism's basic definition is a part of it, but capitalism's basic definition is

It's the private ownership of things. And socialists say, this is why I'm not a socialist. They believe in markets, right? But they also believe that workers should own the means and productions with ownership, not the ownership hoarding it. And so you're not at odds making money in a free market and being a socialist. Those are not conflicting ideas. Okay.

I feel like you just said okay, but you don't agree. Yeah, I mean, yes, you're correct. This is why no NASA scientists should waste their time explaining space to you, because you just say, okay, you still don't believe them. No, yeah, that's correct. Listen, you say it's 130, 9 million kilometers away? Good for you, pal. I'm glad. I'm glad that's the case.

Sure. It's not to me, though. Why do the Browns get to spend the same amount as the Patriots? Oh, well, that's like, that's a league rule to promote parity. Sure, but it's not like, it's not the most capitalist way to look. I mean, in baseball, we don't do that. In baseball, we, whoa, what just happened? Yeah, that was the light dim sometimes when there's not any movement.

So you've got to get up and wave your arms. You hit the, I know, Mad Dog hit the, no, it has nothing, she hit the thing on the side. Well, either way I got to make you do that. All right. keep going. Only people you have to watch the show on YouTube to understand. Anyway. Yeah, baseball does have that. Yeah, and it's a big point of

contention. Yeah, people don't like it. No. I see both. Like I, you know, teams, there are baseball teams. Like the Oakland A's have no money and they're consistently pretty good. The Tampa Bay Rays have no money. They're consistently very good. The A's do have money. It's a different discussion. They do have money. They refuse to spend

it. Okay, sure. How much you have, whatever. They don't spend money similarly to the raise and both teams are pretty good because they're run efficiently. Yeah, I don't, I don't really care one way or the other if you use a salary cap or not. Speaking of salary cap. There should be a salary floor. Speaking of professional sports, this is just an MLB stops testing players for steroids. What?

What? I just got to think from ESPN. Hang on. We got to make sure we're not getting billied right now. It's from ESPN. That doesn't mean anything. They said deflategate happened. Major League Baseball stops testing players for steroids after nearly 20 years from the AP.

Yeah, it is from the Associated Press. I'm curious what? Oh, during the lockout. And not during the expiration of the agreement. So that's, so right this second they can't pass. Oh, God, I got it. And the Texans hired Lovie. Yeah, that's wild.

Aryan thoughts About Just in another world The Texans hired Lovey Smith Do you know him at all? I'm betting But I don't know him

I think the defensive Mind of court Coach I don't know enough about Levy I don't know I'm black though I'm hoping for him I saw a stat.

He hasn't had a winning season since 2012, and five of those seasons were... Did Eric B.M. Me fuck, Roger Goodell's daughter or something, dog? Why can't this man get a head coach's job? He barely gets interviews, let alone jobs. Like, he got... That guy has the Saints. Was that it? They got the Saints. He got dirt on it.

Well, like a year or two ago, he had a bunch of interviews and didn't get it. I didn't feel like I heard about him getting interviewed at all this year. I know he got one. I think it was the Saints, but that was it. Last year, I don't remember hearing much. Yeah, it's strange. I don't know. Have we talked Flores on here at all?

Not that I want to open that up three hours into the show, but have we talked Flores on here at all? I don't think so. I don't even know who Flores is. Brian Flores. Oh, the dude. I had the head coach. Yeah, we haven't talked about it.

Yeah, that's, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, as a week. That's who Lovie Smith beat out for this job, according to sources. They were the last two times. I don't understand what world would judge Lovie Smith. 22 is the better coach than Brian Flores. I really don't. That's interesting, man. I don't know, man.

But I did see that, I did see that, um, that shit that Roger Goodell, uh, typed up to everybody. Did you see that shit? The immediate denial or the... No, it was just like we've been looking over like the data and about the head coaching situation and kind of disappointed. Like that kind of shit. What are you talking about, duh? What?

No, NFL is just so full of shit, though. The whole, from the top down, man, it's just, they just all about optics. All they care about is how it looks. They don't give a fuck about actually improving anything. All they give a fuck about is how it looks. and that's why I'd be pressuring like these young cats publicly put pressure on these these dudes and these old fucks that own this shit to give lifetime health care

to these athletes right like until there's public pressure it's not going to happen do you believe Aryan do you believe what he said about being offered bonuses to lose yeah oh yeah I don't know if it happened but I believe him that shit happened with the calves and LeBron they're tanking

yeah they threw they throw to get players oh yeah yeah yeah nobody's denying that tanking is real but paying a coach to lose like written out explicit lose this game you'll get 100 grand do I believe him

I am agnostic until he provides the evidence for it but it doesn't surprise me if that was true like I don't think that's an outlandish claim I wouldn't be like you know you got to show it's like I can see that happening But I don't give a fuck if it happened to that I don't think I care enough about it

But I to say I believe Maybe I should retract that It's not that I believe him It's that like I definitely could see that being the case I've seen it in sports before It's known I don't know if I don't know if that If that's true

Who knows But it's it's not out of the realm of possibility There's some of the shit that I've seen Like shit's weird man We're kind of money man did you dig yeah for sure all right man

unless y'all got something else about the moon or racism do we think the moon's racist arian five we really we really covered covered the gambit today I thought that was

god thought that was a good episode man fuck pft and fuck billy for this road trip that they did I mean they could have just simply gambled better they would have been able to fly why are they going there flat on a sudden

why are they what is it just for the content they wanted to drive there or is it yeah so at the beginning of the year on pardon my take they had a gambling contest amongst the four of them on the show and if you came in was it second and fourth correct yeah I believe so if you came in second and fourth you had to drive to L.A. for the Super Bowl

and PFT tanked so he would go did somebody pay him to The jury is out A dope man Well shit If we don't got anything else man That'll do it for today's episode Catch us back

For the nanodosin Where I don't know if they Are the boys gonna be back or no No no they're all week Okay cool So we're just gonna do the heist of this show And we'll think about letting them back on All right man

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