Macrodosing: Arian Foster and PFT Commenter - NANODOSE: Hank The Hater Bashes Avatar

Episode Date: December 20, 2022

On today's episode of Nanodosing, the crew returns to talk the new Avatar movie with Hank, who wasn't a huge fan. It starts at 52:37 (SPOILER WARNING) and ends at 1:30:00. It's a great episode and you don't want to miss it. Make sure to tune into MACRODOSING, every Thursday at 12am EST.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/macrodosing

Hey, macro dosing listeners. You can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad free on Amazon Music. I've never been on a cruise. Oh, just the best vacation you can take. Macro Cruise? Yeah, yeah. You know how the Grankowski's did a cruise?

Yeah. I've never been on one either, so it would be like an experience for the both of us. We could do a cruise that just goes around the island of Manhattan. They do like those dinner entertainment cruises. Yeah. That's not a cruise. I went on one a couple years ago. It was fun.

Yeah, I did that like after prom. Yeah, exactly. There's like DJ's bands and stuff. You can get on a four-day cruise at a New York that's like not that expensive. I'm just, I'm a little weirded out by the cruise ship environment. The thing about the cruise is there is the element of like the implication. The Titanic? What does that mean?

There's just a lot of implications. No, there aren't. What do you? What does that mean? It's like the always sunny, Joe. I don't know. But what is the implication? Just like you're stuck on a boat.

you're not making other people can like control where you go like you're moving they tell you the captain to say what you mean bill you can like they have their own laws like maritime law to say what you mean this guy's not making sense

it makes absolute sense like you're totally up to somebody else's decision making like that Argentinian captain who flipped the boat you're being kidnapped is what you're saying yeah okay remember the voluntary remember that a cruise ship that Ran up on the rocks. It was in Italy. Yeah.

The captain. He was showing off. I can get y'all on a four-night Canadian cruise out of New Jersey next July for $500 a person. All-inclusive? Where's it going? Yeah, that's what it costs. It goes to Halifax, Nova Scotia, and that's it. It's four nights.

Goes up to New England coast? Yeah. In the summer, though. I could see myself having. fun on like maybe a three night cruise this four is the the shortest that's the shortest one out of new york now do they have any like really nice rooms or are they all like shitty small rooms i think they have nicer ones for uh yeah you can get a suite i would just feel i feel like cruise ship rooms would be very small they are that is that is the one down so yeah big team that bathroom situation not

great yeah i'm trying to figure out what it is you like so much about cruises it's the vibes The vibes of a cruise are undefeated. That first day, when you walk on, you're like, I do whatever the fuck I want. As long as you stay on this boat. Well, yeah, I mean, don't jump off. That is what you call, like, the best prison is the prison that you don't know is prison. I mean, that's just life. That's, yeah, that's deep.

I live in a 150 square foot apartment with fucking cockroaches in it. I think I can deal with a cruise. Mm-hmm. You know what? I do understand what you're saying about the cruise because I love that. that same vibe when you're in casinos on Native American Reservations. Totally. Where they have the carved animals and like there's just a whole vibe.

Like kind of like Black Rock. Yeah. I love that because it's kind of like a Cabela's, but it's a casino. Like a Bass Pro Shop. Yeah. Isn't Black Rock an investment banking firm? It is. Black Hawk.

Black Hawk is the one in Denver. Good call, Mad Dog. Yeah. You've been watching. Wait, what show is that that Black Rocks on? The Uber show. Have you seen that? Oh, what's it called?

Yeah. Coach Taylor's on that show. And, oh, shit, what's the name of I did watch it? Travis Kalinick. It's about Travis Kalinick. Super, what is it? Super, what is it? Super pumped.

Super pumped. Yeah, super pumped. Aaron, you ever been on a cruise? You're on mute, Aaron. area is undefeated at starting the show on mute you're undefeated at starting a show without telling me we started to show I'd never know when the show yeah I was trying to figure out where we started don't don't put where I'm going welcome me to the fucking party

I didn't even know that we'd start sometimes usually when we record the show I don't know that we're starting taping it yet I yeah yeah like when I edit I don't really know when to start but it's always a nice to have we gotta be careful with no it's it's good it's like it's like a soft opening to it. I don't think a lot of podcasts do that. It's just like people join in the middle of a conversation that we're having and they kind of just go along for the ride at that point. Aaron, I'm going to go out on a limb. I don't think that you're a cruise guy. Good guess. I am not a cruise guy. I have not been on a cruise. I've been on like, because I went to

a couple of like island destination places and they'll have like day things where you can go on a boat, you know what I'm saying? They kind of circle the island, or they circle whatever. Them shit's the height, actually, you know what I'm saying? As long as it's a big boat, big boat, though. Like a day, a daytime trip, an excursion. Yeah, I don't mind that. As long as there's enough life boats for everybody on ship, I'm straight.

Yeah, I mean, so the one cruise that I would go on, I've talked about this, maybe on this show. I know I've talked about it on part of my take is the idea that I had to redo the Titanic entirely and do the carbon copy of the Titanic. I would go on that. I would absolutely go on that. Same amount of lifeboats, same time of year, same route, same situation. Everyone gets dressed up like it's the 1920s or 1917. Remember steerage, steeridge, 1912, excuse me, less we forget. April, same week, Fenway Park open.

It's tax day, right? I'm not sure, but that would line up, yeah. Same week, Fenway Park open. That's a crazy bit of trivia. Yep. Yeah, I mean, get everybody dressed up the same way, same entertainment, same band, same food. You know what would be cool. everybody gets to like take on the persona of somebody that was on that ship so like if you if you want to buy a cheap ticket we're going to sell cheap tickets for like 75 bucks but you get the identity of somebody that was like an irish immigrant that was down in steerage so it's a game of clue yes it's a big massive game of clue there's somebody that goes as uh what's her name the unsinkable molly ivans was that her name oh yeah she survived literally

Lusitania, the Titanic. And she was played by Kathy Bates in the movie Titanic. I feel like you'd quit going on boats after one. Not her. She's a bad bitch. Unsinkable. Wasn't she a nanny?

I don't know what she was. I think did she, wasn't there a scene where she like gave the kids alcohol before the boat went down to put them asleep? Yeah, I mean, that's just being a good mom. But yeah, everybody takes on the persona, somebody that was on that ship. And you just run it back.

You just redo it. I'm telling you, like, this is my best idea ever, and it's disgusting that it hasn't happened yet. I think that somebody tried to steal my idea and make it happen, but then coronavirus hit, and they kind of stopped doing it. Do you still think that there was a false flag attack with a mine that took down the Titanic? Either that, or it could be a different ship. Because Titanic had a sister ship that was a little bit smaller that got into some sort of accident. and so for insurance purposes they might have sent

the other ship across the way and then tried to claim all that money from Lloyd's London just stay woke about it but yeah that's one cruise I would go on for sure besides that I just don't

I feel like I would get claustrophobic on a cruise ship I would panic I wouldn't know I don't know I'm more of a I'm more of a get to a hotel guy and then

have a great time at a hotel guy. But this is like the best hotel. But you just said the rooms are tiny. The, yeah, the rooms are, but then you leave your room and you go to the casino and the show and the fucking bar and the restaurant and the shopping and the basketball. I want to talk to somebody that that's worked on a cruise. There's basketball? Oh, there's basketball court.

Hell yeah. Does it move? What happens if you're shooting and the boat moves underneath you? The boat doesn't. It doesn't move like that. I know. I've actually never been on like a carnival big cruise. I've been on smaller boats.

Well, I would never go on a carnival cruise. I'm not, I mean, come on. Wait, no offense to anyone that goes on carnival cruises. You're looking down on carnival cruises?

What's the ranking of? Carnival is the worst. Is it sure? So just from what I know, Scandinavian, that's like towards the top, right? I'm not sure about that one.

So I'm, I don't. Princess? That's a really good one. Yeah. Disney. just because, like, Disney does everything better. Royal Caribbean is good.

Yeah. Norwegian, I think, is good. That's the one I'm thinking about, Norwegian, yeah. That's the one I'm going on. I haven't been on a Norwegian. I've been on Royal Caribbean and Disney. Whoa. But the worst by far?

Carnival. Yeah, and I think I've been on one carnival when I was a kid. I just, I'm curious to know about the people that work on these ships because they get paid decent amount of money to be out at sea, I think. It's not like a full-time, full-time. thing where they're continuously out at sea i don't think um but they've got they've got to hate the customers right well a lot of them are fraternizing with them on their time off with the customers yeah i no i don't think so i think i i think cruise ship employees billy's getting this from ticot

i know no no no no no listen if i know anything about the service industry they like secretly hate most of the guests on the ship and then when they go off the clock they fucking party hard together yeah like they do a lot of intermingling with themselves yeah shall we say no i i met one guy who was working on a on a private yacht and he said that like all the people who work on the big cruise lines are all just doing their time to get a private gig and then bounce around like freaking the croatian coast that makes sense like that's that's where everyone was to be yacht week yeah that that would be the goal to work on a giant yacht um just because basically They've got huge staffs.

They've got like... Yeah. Like to be staff on one of those private yachts. Probably good money off that. Have to sign ironclad NDAs if you're going to be working in the private yacht industry. Like imagine if you're on McGregor, like you're working on McGregor's yacht. Yeah. Or MBS.

Or Dan Bilsarian. He doesn't have a yacht. He doesn't have yacht money. He rents them. He does not have yacht money. Really? I thought he... I thought he was like a almost billionaire.

Dan Bilsarian? I don't know enough about him I just know the highlight I think he's got a brand that he puts out there but I don't think that he's I don't think he's got it like that Even if that's true

Almost billionaire is not yacht money Yeah didn't you It'd be a many times What? No you get it You can get a yacht for a few million bucks How many is a few? Now the maintenance on it

is millions of dollars a year Depending how big it is If you're worth $800 million It's a thousand percent Yacht money now Realistically, it's way better to charter yachts and private planes. I think cost basis-wise. I mean, unless it depends on who you are.

Yeah. So I think like if you're a small time millionaire, you're just more chartering than actually buying one. There's now also these like chartered flights that you can take down that run from like a private airport here in New York that just go back and forth between New York and Florida in the wintertime. So it's like you're flying private, except it's like a public flight that you can either choose to buy all the seats on this tiny plane or you can end up doing almost like the Uber shared thing. Yeah.

Where you, but it's like you and another person that's willing to spend like $15,000 on this flight. 15K, wow. So there's like seven seats, eight seats on this thing. My buddy was telling me about it. It's like eight seats. And if you want to buy the entire flight, I think it's $40,000 or like $35,000. or you can choose to get like three or four of the seats and split it half, which is kind of a broke boy move

for being honest to like split a private flight with a stranger. That is the Uber shared model, which just expanded at like a much higher luxury item. So a couple of years ago, like there was someone sick of my family and we were all trying to go out to see them at the very last minute. And I was put in charge of trying to figure out the math on what would be the best way to get.

all these people there and I actually looked into a private jet and it is not economical at all. No. It's like like you're better even if the tickets are like 500 or $2,000 a piece for a person, if you need to get like 10 people to like see, you know, a dying relative, the private jet doesn't even. It's not. It's like 30K. Yeah, it's tough. It's tough to fit it. Have you guys used Uber Share recently? Does anybody ever do that? Well, COVID totally killed it. No, it's still around. They brought it back. I did it once many years ago when I was going home from a Braves game.

It was kind of weird. Yeah. And I didn't do it again. Did you share it with the Braves fan? Yeah. That's better. Yeah, it was in Atlanta. But you could sometimes just get matched up with somebody that you have nothing in common with.

And then that's weird. That should be a punishment. That should be a punishment for something. We should do some sort of contest. And the loser has to take Uber shares for like a month. Well, you know what I, you know what I, well, I don't even take that much Ubers. That's sick. But like, but whenever I did get into an Uber share situation, always got to hit the front seat.

Yeah, but it's still awkward, I would imagine. No, because then you don't, you just pretend they're not in the backseat. You know, it's also weird is like whenever Uber drivers have their significant other riding shotgun with them. Well, you've had that. Is that ever happened? It's happened a couple times to me, yeah. I'd get out of the car. I saw a video of, it was someone.

doing that and the girlfriend ended up like robbing the passenger what so if I ever saw that I'd get out no it's never happened it's usually been like late at night and so it's just a guy like driving his girlfriend or wife around and she's maybe she just doesn't trust him

to go out I don't know I see that a lot with Uber eats and delivery people because you'll have a driver and then someone's saying shotgun she didn't have to park yeah and then they're just running and running out yeah that makes super sense though That's like the FedEx or UPS holiday system.

Yeah. If you've got the driver, then the assistant that runs out and throws the package at your door. Big T. What are we teed off about this week? I guess I'm not teed off about this, but I want to have a conversation about it. So, Arian, you for sure saw Avatar. You already know, baby. Yeah.

Okay. PFT, you saw it. Billy, did you know? I didn't see it. I didn't see it. Okay, so I saw it also. And if you don't want, I don't know that these are spoilers for the movie, but if you haven't seen the movie and you're planning on seeing it,

skip forward, five minutes. We're also going to have Hank on it a little bit to talk about. I can see you some opinions. That's true. I forgot about that. So we can wait to do teed off. Okay. Let's sit on that.

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The NFL seemed like it was rigged And I did a lot of complaining I'm done complaining now I got it all off my chest. I'm good. Whatever. It happened. Somebody tweeted at me today and they made like an outstanding point.

They said, uh, they said something along the lines of, you know, this happens to every single franchise. And every time it happens to a franchise that's not your own, you do not care whatsoever until it happens to you. And it's going to happen to everybody. And I'm like, that guy, that guy's actually making a lot of sense about life. that's such a metaphor for just the world in general that we don't care about anything bad until it happens to me and that's man it really made me think for a little bit this morning I was like that's so true like I could give a shit if the giants or eagles get screwed over

but the second it happens to me that's big problems and what happens to me then I've got all the other franchises all other fans reaching out and being like cry more cry more we get screwed over all the time it's like yeah man we do we do if only there was some lesson about how society should work i think a big one is we definitely hold refs more accountable how would we do that put them on the podium make like i don't understand why refs are so mysterious why don't we like why aren't they like being uh why aren't they part of the show you know yeah like why aren't they doing uh you know media

Why are they only part-time? Why is it? It's just always, like, weird. Like, what do these refs do during the week? Refs should 100% be interviewed after games. Mm-hmm. They should be under oath. Yeah.

Yeah, y'all are bugging. Why? Like, people are insane. And so it's the reason why, like, after games done, like, rest run into the tunnel. because like you don't want like celebrity reps bro like that shit will well one there's two big two reasons why i think it's stupid one you you'll cause them like to have danger around them right because people are wild fan people are idiots the second reason is like you'll inflate their

ego it ain't supposed to be about them we're not nobody comes to watch anybody ref but if you have celebrity refs then you have have them thinking emboldened to get inside getting to the spotlight when it need not be that's just that's the worst idea that's ever heard that already happens though and then they don't have to have any accountability for it you can have accountability without giving them a spotlight so what what is the accountability then fire them but that doesn't happen never happens okay well that wasn't the question the question was how do you give them accountability it's how you give them you can either fire them or you can give them longer penalties or like you can't ref these

games or whatever the case may be but Like, giving them a spotlight is the worst idea. Hmm. If you gave him a spot, I could see that. You don't want celebrity refs. Actually, we already have that, though. Football fans can name most referees in the NFL. Yeah, but I wouldn't say this works out.

You know what I mean? Ed Hockley works out. Like, that's it. You don't say the bar was low. Like, it's just he's on, if he's on TV, he's going to be recognizable, but you don't want to give him like a real spotlight. Like, you don't want to, like, that's a byproduct of them. then they start doing ads

they start getting sponsorships and stuff they're in commercials I'm head hockey I'm at Hocularly here for MetRX Fitness actually that's that's probably a pretty good sponsorship actually remember I said why aren't the rest part of the show and then I realized that's because it would become

a ref show yeah then they would think then they'd be like people are here to watch us yeah and then they'd be calling more flags and just being annoying so at the end of the game when Terry McLaren was lined up Area, I don't know if you saw the end of the Sunday night football game last night. Yeah.

Oh, no, I saw Nate Washington, which is the homie. He had a little thread about it on Twitter. And so I saw the video posted and see the game. So you saw Terry lined up. He was a little bit off the line. He checks with the referee, moves forward because the ref tells him you got to move forward a little bit. The referee, according to Terry McLaren, said, you're good. And so then they ran the play, which was a running play up the middle for, I think it was one or two yards.

got a touchdown took it off the board because they said that terry was lined up off the line of scrimmage i was so mad about that because like terry is is the kind of guy that would absolutely pay attention like those small details and when he says that the ref was uh was telling him that he lined up in uh in a in a good position i believe him when he said that that seems to be just like completely unnecessary for the ref to throw a flag on that that's not a judgment call by the way that's not that's not like a pass interference bang bang thing that's the referee just choosing to be an asshole it's inconsequential but it is a rule right and so like we'll never know who's correct on that right i i tend to side more with the ref on this for this reason

even if you let him get away with the the lining up he was he was still moved there was another guy there was a slot that was in motion so while you're moving while he's in motion that's still a penalty. So he fucked up on multiple accounts. And so either way, that was a penalty. But I think the ref was set on him. The reason why I don't think that he told him he was good is because he just looked to check with him and then he scoots up. And the ref was like, you didn't check back to see if I was good. And so that's when you can see his hand on the flag, like, you're not good. It is, it's a petty flag, but it is a flag. And so like, I guarantee you the Washington coach is like, that's your fault. You've got to make sure you're lined up. And like I said,

buddy was in motion anyway and so when you're scooting up while he's in motion that's not a shift that's uh illegal procedure that's um five yards is what it is that's always such a weird uh interaction and just there's so much leeway on that because even like that happens at all levels of ball where like even i remember in like d3 games you're trying to talk to the ref and then the ref doesn't hear you and then it's just it's just such a like that's what i coached you the point make sure you point like they emphasize this shit they emphasizes to us like you got a point and make sure it's your responsibility to make sure he knows you online and the refs usually are cool about they'll be like yo no come come it's usually cool but there's no telling what led up to that

i don't know but it i mean it's a rule it's a petty rule i don't but it looks like he was lined up he was lined up correctly and there's it i don't know there's a difference between that's not him committing like a false start that's him making sure that he's lined up right as somebody's in motion there's you have to be able to tell the difference between that as a ref and yeah you know so i used to play receiver when i was like a freshman sophomore in high school and you would the coaches would tell you like check with the official on the sidelines our referees were dickheads though like i'd ask them i'd be like am i lined up on the line and the refs would be like you got to figure that out like they they honestly would

didn't help you it was really strange and then I was like well I don't know what I'm doing out here it's just also so weird because you're so far away from the football you don't actually know where the line of scrimmage is well it's in a horizontal line across the field I know you have the best you have the best seat for that

what are you talking about they've got yard markers that go directly on horizontally across the field okay look at the ball yeah it's where the ball is and the ref on each side is the entire the entire football playing field is actually sounds it sounds simple in such a way sounds simple but like when the ball is not exactly on a line and you've got to try to figure out within a split second let's say you're in a two minute

it's not a split second man okay so then it's where your five offensive linemen are and the rep on the side that you're on and the ref on the other side can we agree this billet look a yard is yay big right whatever a yard is not a big so wherever the ball is in between that you line up say the ball's in between the yard market. You get on the yard that's behind it and step up a half a foot. It's not hard at all. Okay. Everyone's, you know, acting like during when the clock's winding down and we got to run

to the line, figure out, set it up, check with the ref, all within probably five to seven seconds to get set, that everyone here can just do it perfectly. I promise you, I can do that perfectly. Aryan 100% did it. But for the rest of everyone, just putting that out there. I think I could do it perfectly. Okay. Now, the ref told him to move up.

So if the ref tells you to move up as you've got a guy that's in motion and you take just like a little half step forward to work with the referee who told you to move up, the ref can't call illegal shift on that. Was the penalty for an illegal shift or an illegal formation? Illegal formation, but Aryan saying that you could all. make a penalty call on Terry McLaurin if he's inching up to the line of scrimmage, but while you've got somebody in motion. But I don't think that's what the penalty was.

I think it was that he was still in the back field. Right. That's what the penalty was. But Arian was saying you could also make that call on Terry. And I don't think that you can if the ref is telling you to move up. Well, I think is he never checked again. That's where I think the leeway. He checked the CV's outside.

The ref told him to move up and he just scooted up and he didn't see if that was okay. It's in traffic. So it's not. He didn't say scoot up three feet. He says scoot up. And he was way back. It looked like he was lined up in the backfield. Yeah, he was still a yard behind the ball.

But this is the tweet that I was talking about earlier. The funny thing about sports is every fan base gets mad at the officiating. But as soon as a different fan base does it, there's absolutely zero empathy. That's true. That is such a, it's such a metaphor for our society these days. Sure. I have a take. So in college basketball, the officiating is so consistently awful that I've actually come to accept it.

Like Saturday Tennessee played at Arizona, the officiating was horrendous. Julian Phillips got called in a two-point game for an offensive foul for boxing somebody out. Like the officiating is a joke in college basketball. It's so bad that it's gotten to the point that I'm like, you can't even, you just can't even complain about it anymore. Like I saw Tennessee fans getting so mad about the rest. And I was like, when you go on the road in college basketball, you just have to bake in that that's going to happen. And so I feel like maybe if things got worse, officiating wise, then we'd all just accept it and it'd be fine. Yeah. I think we're in a tough place because technology and cameras are going to keep getting better and replay tech and stuff. So you're going to be able to see more and more and more fuckups.

And it's going to get further and further away from actually watching the game in real time and calling these penalties. So every mistake is going to be amplified. Just robot refs are what people want, man. I mean, I've said forever in baseball, MLB replays so terrible similarity to college basketball officiating. I just get rid of it. I can live with a mistake made in real time. But then they go back and look at it and it's clear that they fucked up and they don't change it. Yeah. That I can't live with. That's what they're going to try to change roughing the passer into being something that's reviewed, which I understand there have been some really bad roughing the pastor calls this year, some, like, really, really bad ones.

The one against Tom Brady comes to mind. Yeah, exactly. What was the other one? It was like the next week. It was next week. Shit, why am I forgetting this? But, yeah, the Tom Brady one was pretty bad. And if you do make that reviewable, then that opens up a whole new can of worms where

you're going to get mad at the review. And you're trying to review something that's completely subjective in nature. And you're not going to be able to get it right 100% of the time. time. It's going to have way more wasted challenges, way more wasted time in a game. Everyone's going to hate it. And then they'll have to take it away. And then we'll go back to where we are. Yeah, they should get rid of roughing the passer all together. The entire penalty. Agreed. Stupid fucking penalty. Well, if it's a late hit, but not like. No, I can't. I like that. So you get rid of roughing the passer. But you, what, what, where's no roughing the runner?

Yeah. There's no rough. There's rough in the kicker. rough in the passers two motherfuckers that don't play football as well you leave in like you can you can leave in the uh unnecessary roughness part but there's late hit makes sense yeah hit makes but roughing the pat what's that even mean yeah i agree with that fucking stupid well i mean back in the day people are just teeing off on quarterbacks after they threw the ball so we're saying football what do we do it so if it's late that's still a penalty that's right yeah it's an unnecessary roughness penalty but uh yeah grabbing the guy by the waist and throw it punishing the quarterback with your body weight.

I mean, that's the most ridiculous. Where do you want to land? Where do you want him to land? So you're supposed to change the laws of physics in there, which somehow Nick Bosa was able to do that the other way. Grady Jarrett did that. He took Tom Brady, grabbed him, rolled over, so that he didn't land on top of him and it was still a penalty.

Yeah. I mean, Mike, Mike White got teed off on. And I think that was the best execution of a hard hit on. quarterback this one season. It was literally, that was the only way to hit him as hard as you could without getting a penalty. But also I think if it was Tom Brady, he would have gotten a penalty.

Probably, yes. That might have changed the winner of the NFC South. Also because Tom Brady is, he's old, so when you hit him, it looks way more violent. Like, what do you think looks more like what makes you cringe

up more? Seeing Matt Ryan get plowed into the earth? or seeing Justin Fields get hit in the pocket because when like an exceptional spry athlete like Justin Fields gets hit you're like oh man that was cool but when like a decrepit old man that's going to tear his hip open takes a sack it just looks like it looks like animal abuse

when Matt Ryan gets hit. Thoughts and prayers to Matt Ryan by the way. Poor guy. He took some of the Falcons with him up to Indy. They were up 33 to nothing in law. She didn't see that. Oh, I didn't see it, but I saw the end of the biggest blown lead in NFL history. I had a couple buddies who bet on that live, like when they were down big.

I did. I think I got to plus 5,000 at one point. I did not take it at plus 5,000. I took it a plus 1,000. And I actually texted the part of my take group chat at that time. I go, the Vikings are going to win this game. Two seconds later, Kurt Cousins throws an interception. It was like that fast.

But he pinned him deep on that interception. That was one where Rager ran the wrong route. I just, it felt like a comeback. It was an arm punt. Yeah, it was an arm punt. But it felt like it was going to be a comeback. There was no chance that the, that the Colts were going to be able to sustain

the first half output that they had. Yeah. So, yeah, credit to the Vikings. They're fun. They play wild games. I've been saying this since the beginning. Viking Stadium, U.S. Bank is insane. like as a playing environment

Yeah, when you got permission to go there Yeah I don't think they can lose there Justin Jefferson's insane too Yeah He might be the best in the league I think he is Yeah

We're drafting wide receivers I think I take him number one Yeah me too It's like between him Chase Jamar Chase Yeah He made Gilmore look horrible

Yeah Who else would be like a top Tyree Hill Yeah I think those are my top three right now Yeah I think it's between Jefferson and Tyreek Hill His speed is just unmatched man Yeah

Hill just looks like he's like in a go card out there That's a good way to put it Yeah He gets to drive You know who else I was gonna say have you seen the preview For that new Mario Brothers movie I did not see it the one of Chris Pratt

Right I guess I don't know if Chris Pratt in it But it's like the They go through all They got the princess And Bowser and all that shit That shit looks fire Yeah Chris Pratt is Mario

Oh that's what's up I didn't know That's why that's why I was just I was just telling you I apologize No it was There was nothing to apologize for

I got kind of Got kind of chippy with me right there It was not meant to sound chippy Okay It's just You just said I didn't know Chris Pratt was in I was like yeah

Chris Pratt's Mario It's got a pretty good task Charlie Day's in it, Jack Black, Seth Rogan, Keegan Michael Key. It's pretty good. I'm going to have to see that. I'm watching the preview for it right now. I'm scrolling through it.

It looks awesome. I mean, the graphics in this do look very cool. Yeah. It looks for fire. I'm all on board for this. Before we get to some of the Avatar stuff, World Cup. World Cup finished on Sunday. That's one of the greatest sports

sporting events I've ever watched I think it's the best soccer game ever played Probably I think it's my favorite game I've ever watched of any sport That wasn't a team I rooted for Yeah, it was incredible I was like, I mean I was dying on the couch

It was crazy It had everything that you needed It had superstars Making superstar plays Lead changes One thing I'll say about Messi I love Messi Tuck your shirt in bro

Tuck the shirt in Did I kill you? wait why soccer players don't tuck their shirts in he but his shirt looks longer than most i think it's like five four yeah he's a small guy his shirt he's wearing a medium his shirt there's youngsters what the there's young there's youngsters at home watching arian and messy's out there with a essentially wearing a dress then it's rodry from man city and i know he does it because it's so notable because no one else does it well when you tuck your shirt in then it makes it easier for the refs to see if you get your shirt pulled out think about it

that way. Attention to detail. You just think it makes him look like a child. I think he looks like a child sometimes when he plays here. And you know like that short king's short king. No, he's just making the short kings look bad. No, just at least get a shirt that fits you. Okay.

Or he has enough money. He can get like altered. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, he can go to a, he can go to a tail. He definitely has enough money for that. Get it pulled up a little bit. Yeah. Is that something you can do with like an official jersey?

Well, you can just get a slightly smaller size if you're messy. I'm sure they'd make one for him. Oh, such an innocent. He has enough money. He can get it tailored, can't he? Like, again, Aaron, you can, you can tell me if I'm wrong. Like, don't NFL jerseys get custom to how big you are? Yeah, you can get it.

You can get it cut and tailored how you want it. Yeah, exactly. So that's not the craziest idea to just be like. No, I was just a hilarious thing. Like, of course he can get it tailored. Yeah. But, like, if it looks so ridiculous, why wouldn't you just get it pulled? I don't think I've never noticed this.

I don't think it does. You know, what's the greatest piece of Jersey technology that's evolved in the NFL? And I, like, wish I could have used this at some point. Have you guys been seeing, like, Josh Allen has them, the sleeves in the jersey? Yeah, Hindon had that. Yeah, that is awesome. One, then it would never get pulled off. So a lot of quarterbacks wear hand warmers and a lot of skill players keep their hand warm.

in the cold. But Josh Allen's has it built into his jersey and the most annoying thing was getting those ripped off during games by opposing players and also it was basically a belt that people grabbed to like pull you down and having it built into the jersey

is like superhuman cool. Like it's like space technology. Yeah, it is. It's space technology. I'm reading up about messy right now. apparently other people have noticed that messy wears like specifically long shirts I don't know why he does it just wear wear shirts that fit

should not go to hide the ball to hide the ball because like think about taller people's vantage point if there's like a dress he's hiding the ball under the dress so you can't see it what is this tape that would mean the shirt would need to be down to his ankles yeah but just like if it's flying around I was in the studio I'd ride through something at you

Billy what's fucking you tell them about but messy has a certain way like I don't know how he does it like thousands of people have said this it looks like he has the ball on a string and I think it has something to do with his low center of gravity

that he's able to do stuff that other people just can't yeah it's closer to the ball but like it's almost like if he had he's like hiding the ball underneath this dress yeah that might be a little bit of that

that might be what he's doing yeah I think there you go Billy solved it I cracked your case did you see after the game when Salt Bay tried to Dap him up Yep

Salt Bay was over there Man you talk about regrets I loved that Yeah You talk about regrets though Like I was in Qatar For four days If I'd known that Salt Bay was there

I would have moved Hell or High Water To get over to him Salt Bay gets on the field Is he in Qatar Yeah Well he's there now Oh I thought that's where his restaurant

Where's his restaurant It's like Turkey or something He lives here now He's worldwide He's in New York City too We should go. There's some crazy stuff that happens at Salt Bay's restaurants. Have you seen all those viral videos?

I've just seen him cutting the steak. Real quick, Billy, we'll get to that. Sensually. We'll get to that. But he tried to dapp up Messi after the World Cup trophy ceremony and Messi just looks at him. Like Salt Bay grabs Messi by the shoulder.

Messi just looks at him and just turns away and walks right off. Oh, I loved it. I absolutely loved that. just punked him. That would be like if Guy Fierry tried to grab Patrick Mahomes after a Super Bowl and Mahomes just like walked the other way, which Mahomes would never do because Guy Fierry's a fucking man.

Liberty is such a high school hallway type vibe, bro. Like, why are you on the field? Why are you on the field? Why are you grabbing one of the greatest soccer players of all time? Like, you make good stakes, but like, come on, fam. like let him have his moment fuck out it's not about you yeah Salt Bay thought that it was about him after the games

that much you remember you remember after the Broncos won the Super Bowl and Papa John goes down on the field and like hugs Peyton Manning will like kiss each other on the cheek Papa John Peyton Manning owns like a ton of Papa John's yeah I know I'm just saying like that's kind of similar

to what happened yeah but do you think if Messi has business dealings with Salt Bay he might clearly he doesn't not anymore not anymore what the hell salt bay is actually salt bay

like Argentina does stakes pretty good I don't think they need they don't need salt bay's input on that salt bay's net worth is 70 million he would like you to believe that

I mean I guess all those restaurants I'd be surprised if he's liquid 70 it would be very tough to make 70 million dollars running restaurants in like the most volatile business there is

yeah during a recession and a pandemic. I know, but he does charge insane amounts of money for those, for those meals. But again, he's also only been doing that for what, like, he went viral, what, nine years ago? Yeah. 70 million seems ambitious. But, yeah, Billy, tell me about the videos that you've seen. Oh, there's just insane videos.

There's salt bays, like, feeding, like, there's people, there's couples on dates, and salt bays just feeding usually the female member of the couple, like, very centrally and like just the guy on the other side of the table who's getting super pissed off have you guys seen this i can and then at one point there's like like he just ends up making couples fight because he's like literally like very centrally feeding he's having food sex with yeah with your wife yeah yeah i didn't even realize i i just searched salt bay on twitter and there's videos of him going around with like all the other players like he's with d maria and like doing all this weird it's cringy that's weird he's with all the

and he's like doing the salt thing on the trophy he's this is cringe oh my god he just salt he salted the trophy yeah he's doing it with like four different players and they're all like dude what what are you doing tough so wait wait billy let me find this video so what explain what constitutes food sex with another man's wife where does it cross the line when salt pays putting his meat in your in your wife's mouth I think it gets pisses off a lot of people. No, no, but you can... Let me just find this video.

I'm just saying, like, you're at dinner, you're with your girl, salt bake comes up, he does his little sprinkle thing, he takes like a slice of steak with a fork, and he feeds it to your date. I think that's fine. Yeah, it's on a good spirit. That's not food cheating.

No, no, if he's got... If your girls sit in there, like, with a tongue out, licking the... That gets a little weird on her part. Screenshot that. Don't screenshot that. Cress, come on, man. Y'all already try to play me with the out of context shit anyway.

But anyway, I don't think it's that bad, you know what I mean? If Salt Bay comes up and he's got like a... If your girl can get got by Salt Bay, it's not your girl, man. That's a good point. That's a very good point. His place is mad overrated, though. Is it? Yeah.

You sound like a hater. No, but it is. Is that a Saltflex that you've been? I've been, yeah, it's not that good. Oh, there's one video I found it. It's a steakhouse with a little extra pizzazz to it. How much does it cost to get a good steak there? It's more expensive than like if you were to go to Peter Lugar's.

Like a steak there is like, yeah, it's overpriced. Keep it a man. Have you ever been to a place? And I feel like it's a bell curve, but have you ever been to a place that was expensive and it was worth it like that. Like usually you're paying for the experience. The food is usually, you probably get a better steak. I could probably cook a better steak.

This is like, the food is that it be I ate, some of it. it's good, but it's never like worth $400. Yeah, I've been to a couple, a couple of places like that. Okay, so I just found the video of Salt Bay,

uh, taking a, so, so this woman is twerking in Salt Bay's restaurant after eating his meat. And then the boyfriend comes running into the restaurant. Pissed off. Just look at the video.

I just sent you. So it turns out this is at the end of dinner. These two had been. there and there's successive Instagram stories of this couple eating and at one point she's being fed by Salt Bay and then this is what's happening at the end of the night she's twerking for Salt Bay and the boyfriend I think was like pulling up the car and like walks in sees it and then that's that's the biggest thing I've ever seen in my life but and then so there's somebody in the replies here this is a conversation I think we should be having because

I've seen this debate the reply is twerking isn't always sexual if a girl's twerking with her friends you think they're being sexual sometimes it's just dancing i've seen that debate raging on is twerking always sexual billy your take oh no can you twerk for me i don't know i can't i'm unable to twerk can you twerk for me pfd i don't i don't got junk like that pft can you do some for me i feel like in my opinion, I think, yes, twerking is always sexual. Sonyhall.com. Come to our live show. We're going to do a twerking contest. I will not be twerking. But I don't think so, man.

If you, what do you think twerking is? Twerking, okay, so girl has her hands on her knees. Just girl. Yeah, I guess it could be a guy. Okay. Exposing some biases here today. Yep. Bint over. slightly bent at the waist at the hips ass sticking out and then the ass starts

to shake and jiggle simulating sexual intercourse from behind was handing right there yeah you know what I'm saying like it's sim it's simulating what you would do with your ass if there was a penis behind it

that's what it is right am I making that up is that yeah I think you just made entirely sexual that's what it is No, no, no, that's what it is. You're bent over. You just made it sexual. No, that's what it is.

This is why I would disagree, right? I'm sure there's a whole historicity on twerking and the sexualization of black women in general. I know there is. But what I do know is that if you go to like a black folk shindig, it's dance party, there are songs where they get down and it's definitely looks a little sexual. but there are also songs where they do the same gesture where it's just having fun. And it's not necessarily

courting men to come get behind you. So like, it's not necessarily sexual. I see how it could be taken sexual. But I understand when you say twerking isn't always sexual. I understand. All right. So you can do it for fun.

So I get that. Actually, case in point, I accidentally walked to a gay bar two weeks ago. Okay. And I. saw more twerking in the gay bar than I've ever seen at a non-gay bar. Wow. And I don't think anyone was looking there to do anything sexual.

And no, at the gay bar, no? With the women. Oh, okay, gotcha. Yeah. So wait, there were women twerking. Let me explain how I got in that situation. Hang on, hang on. No, it doesn't matter.

I honestly don't care how you got there. But you're saying the women were twerking at the gay bar. Okay. So that's a very important distinction. Yeah. All right. So I agree it might not always be like trying to get yourself into a sexual situation. But like if I were to just like go to party, my way of dancing would just be like hip thrust into the air. Yeah. Sometimes I'm not like trying. I'm not like trying to hook up with anybody. But by doing my dance, which is just a hip thrust. That's that's sexual. Right. But also. No, not necessarily. I think it's just more people having fun because you need like someone else to make it. Okay, how about this? Let's say, let's say

there's a bunch of fair-skinned fellas playing beer pong. One of them decides to pop a ball out of his draws. Is that sexual? No. Not at all. Why would you ever think that? That's what I was there. That's honestly the best checkmate that we've had maybe in the history of this podcast.

I actually have to tell you guys about this time I went to the gay bar. Wait, wait, can I ask a follow-up question real quick? Yeah. Sounds like he wants to get off his chest. Yeah. Go ahead. Go ahead, Maddie. So you were saying that you were at a gay bar and there were women trucking there, but you're like, they weren't working for the men.

Could they have just been lesbians at the gay bar? No, because it was definitely a male gay. It was, I actually don't know how all that works. I actually don't know how all that works. So basically, I had to use the bathroom. So I was like, I'm just going to duck into this bar. ducked in the bar, I was, you know, the bouncer asked for my ID. Everything kind of seemed, it was like, it looked like an Irish pub, kind of.

It probably was an Irish pub. And then I walk in and this guy at the bar can totally tell that I have no idea what I'm walking into. And he goes, what's up, sweetheart? I was like, I was like, sup. I was like, okay, drunk dude. So I'm walking to the bathroom. And then I'm like, what the hell?

And then I started looking around and they started seeing all the rainbow. I'm like, oh. I was like, well, I still got to use the bathroom. They don't judge there. No. Yeah, but then I looked at the dance floor and I was like, whoa, what's going on over there? I think Mad Dog might be right. I think, Billy, you were just in a gay bar, so there's going to be lesbians there too.

Yeah, they're also gay. Yeah. They could have been gay. There's a lot of street girls that hang out of gay bars. I'm so saying, how many times you've seen females go to gay bars with their gay friends and they just didn't there for a good time, they ain't looking at sexualizing it? That's why I'm saying I'm arguing that it's not sexual

That probably must be It can be It can not be I'm not arguing either way But I'm just saying women There could also be Looking for something as well That must be

Yeah But if it was if it were straight women I understand why they go to gay bars It must be just such a nice break Like an oasis To get away from dudes Just being creepy on you all the time You actually have like a safe space

That you can go to And you're like, okay, thank this is so much more fun than having a guy come over and drool on me it's also a cultural thing like i mean black women's work way more and way better uh than non and so it's like it's more of a it's more of a that's how they get down it's not necessarily sexualized i think when y'all see it y'all probably see it and be like oh shit you're throwing it back or maybe not what do I think when you go see it. Well, Avery just put a very balkable video into the group chat.

Arian, that's why I think I say, oh, shit, she's throwing it back. Well, I was saying, like, there's twerking, but then there's, like, this kind of day. No, I know, I know what you're saying. So, like, I think I've seen a little bit of both in this conversation. I would love if that was, like, a genuine thought of yours. That would be so funny. Oh, shit, she's throwing it back. I've seen, I see your opinion in this conversation.

understand it. I understand that sometimes people just dance together for fun. It's not because they're trying to fuck anybody. But at the same time, uh, usually if it's like in a nightclub situation, bar situation, somebody's twerking. It's like they just, they're just, they're just, they're just shaking their ass. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. That video at every cent, that's an entirely different culture. I was going to say that's like, there's twerking and then there's that. There's like women like jumping from the top rope and just landing on the guy. That's like a culture. I think that's like the island

shit. Like that's not necessarily an American. That's got a hurt, right? I wouldn't know. Yeah. That's some of the or do you think they've built up like a tolerance to it? Like the guys can just take the guys can just take that. A girl jumping from the top rope and just

landing on your pelvis. I mean it's a great performance. It looks like it's got elements like professional wrestling in there. Yeah. Like people flying around knocking each other over. Yeah, there's definitely some some wrestling shit involved in this.

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water world avatar two um i saw avatar one the night before, Aryan begged me to finally see it. I did. I liked it. I saw it on like a decent size screen, I guess. It's not your 125 inch TV, but I wanted to be, I wanted to be prepared for Avatar 2. So Avatar 2 in theaters with 3D glasses. And I'll just say this right off the bat.

3D technology has finally arrived because they tried to force it on us for a long time. They tried to be like, it was like every 10 years. Oh, 3D is going to. that's the next big thing. Oh, 3D is back and it's good. Now I think 3D is actually good. I didn't leave the theater with a headache. Everything was like in focus.

It didn't take away from the movie where, you know, sometimes it has in the past. I liked the 3D viewing of it. Aaron, did you see it in 3D? Yes, my kids, my kids may because, like, they super like, you think I'm an avatar fan. They know the names of all the animals and shit, bro. But so they were like, we got to. see it in 3D and I was like I saw when it first came out in 3D and I was like that shit gave me a headache and they were like no my my daughter was like no it's um it was shot

on 3D cameras like it was made for 3D and I was like all right I'll trust you and it was fucking fired dog fire I think maybe the coolest part of making avatar would be if you were in charge of like inventing the new animals that they have and like designing the new animals and be like, oh, well, this one lights up and it's got like a pinwheel on its back so we can jump from plant to plant and then fly around. That would be a sick job.

I think Billy would be good at that job too. I haven't seen Avatar yet, so I don't think they'll have many good contributions to this conversation. That's fine. I do think that you could tell you what, while we're doing this, can you design an animal that you would like to see

in the next avatar? That's going to be good. So this avatar took place in the water. It's like the water level of the movie series And I I like the water people Feel like the water people were smart It gave you an opportunity to see a bunch of cool fish

This is gonna be hard without spoilers I'm ready I'm ready to go in I got some takes but like I can't I don't want to spoil it for people that haven't seen it But like the water people were dumb as fuck All right I'm gonna give my review Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Hold on, hold on.

Give your rotten tomato score, your personal rotten tomato score, and then we'll go into it, and I'll put timestamps for the listeners who don't want. It's spoiled. My LCB score, 90. I give it a 90. That's outrageous. I gave it a 7.8. Big T.

It would be 78 if you're doing a- No, no, Hank give it a 7.8. I gave it a 90. Big T, now you give it like a great level. Like letter grade. I think you have to do it. It's two separate things. There is the visual achievements of the movie.

And then there's the movie. The movie is really weak. It's not there. The plot is not good for the little plot that there is. Like overall, it's a B minus. But that's taking into account that like looking at the movie is an A plus and watching the movie is a D. Okay.

I think that's fair. Looking at it. Like, visually, it's incredible. Like, the scenes and the water and the animals and everything. Like, it looks amazing. It's not a good movie. Aaron, what's your grade? I gave it a 9 out of 10.

I wasn't mad at it at it at all. I think, the reason why I think the one critique I do have of it is that because it's so graphically it's amazing but I think that

in order to like really dive into I think this deserves a series like this needs to be like a Netflix series or who or whatever case may be that way you can character develop a little bit better because the first hour of the movie we had to get to where we were a year after the hero six years after the humans left or however long it was and then they came back

right so that was like what 12 years or something like that and so we rushed that entire thing all in order to bring us to the point where we can go uh hang out with the water track so it was really rushed that first hour but i understand why it was rushed but that's why i feel like it should need these should they should stop making movies this should be a series like because you need to character develop, this would have been a perfect opportunity to character develop. I, uh, I don't really need that much character development, though, in a movie like this. To me, it's just more about blowing my mind. My mind was blown. Mission accomplished. There was, there was a scene in the middle of the movie. And then this is kind of when I started to like,

I, you know, I was like at the, you started a 10 and then it goes down and down and down as you're watching it. Or like, that's maybe sometimes it goes up, down, however it may be. And unfortunately for me this movie it kind of like as it went on it kind of the obviously the visual and stuff was all there but like the story was just kind of like oh this is it just went down and down and down and there was a part in the middle where I felt like I was literally watching the first movie again when it was like he's in a new it's it's the sun and he's in a new place and he's got to adapt and like he's the outsider and he's trying to become the insider and there's like a montage and they're flying around the new world and I was like this is literally just the first movie like

they didn't they didn't they weren't ambitious with the plot they really just kind of like did exactly what they did with the first one and added titanic at the end yeah and that that was disappointing like i love the first one but i was hoping for like a new new adventure new villain new anything and they really just like kind of dug their heels in and we're like let's just kind of first one works let's do that again and that that let me down james cameron definitely said to everybody like i've i've i've still got got the big giant boat machine that we use in Titanic. Is there a way that we can incorporate that into the end of this movie?

And so they're like, yeah, okay, just do Titanic at the end. They literally brought back the antagonist from the first movie who was dead. They found a way to get around that. And then they're, let's just do the exact same thing, but they're going to move. And that's what it was. You watched a family move. I thought that, I think James Cameron wants to fuck water. I think he's got a thing for water.

the dude the dude loves the ocean it's kind of weird I mean the ocean's cool but like he I think he would like to be one of the water avatars he designed

that the whales that submarine yeah the whales are pretty bad uh whatever um there was some just absolutely incredible visual effects

like at one point a character goes inside one of the giant whales that was cool that was fired dog that's the part I went to the bathroom Oh, yeah?

I got back and I was informed that I missed the best part of the movie. You were inside a whale when you got back? No, I missed that completely. The entire part? I think so, yeah. He merged with the whale for a second. Yeah, that's the part I missed. Yeah.

Now, when somebody, when an avatar merges with something, are they fucking that thing? That wasn't necessarily a bond. That wasn't the HALU. That wasn't the bond. That was entirely something different. that was like almost so like even when they do the shit with awa they're not really merging with them you're just sharing their experiences when you're when you're merging with like animals or something

you're like kind of becoming one the other one is like you're sharing that experience you're sharing your experiences like so like the ancestors they can hear their ancestors stuff like that so it's not really the same thing what happened with the demon daughter in her connection with that stuff we don't know that we say demon you mean you mean Grace's

yeah not demon daughter but like she obviously whatever she went into the fucking into the into the whatever like she went her shit went haywire yeah we don't really 100% know that's still up to speculation and I know like there's rumor

that the next cut has already been turned in for the third movie and it was like nine hours So it's like There's no telling Like how they're going to develop that story But it obviously has something to do With

Awai and Grace But we don't really know how We don't know who the father We don't know how she was kind of like Immacqually conceives You know what though Like I think that I think Aryan's on to something

Where we could see the Next step in like merging Netflix And theater going experiences James Cameron could take nine hours the next avatar that he's got turn it into like four or five avatars and then just you buy a ticket

and that involves like five shows that you go to at regularly scheduled intervals. So it's like Netflix except you're going out and you're going to the theater five times. Tough. That's a tough sell. But see this is why I think

it doesn't need to be a movie anymore. They need to make it a series. It's because like I hear you guys critique and I hear them. I don't necessarily understand them I understand, like I get where you're coming from, but I don't necessarily agree, I should say. Because there's only seven stories to tell. Like when you break down literature in all walks in the history, it's only seven stories to tell, right?

It's a very famous thing. And so there's only so much things you can do. So what they do to get around that is their character develop. And so you have people that fall in love with Circe's plight, right? So it's like, Circe's plight is the same old shit, greed and power, right? But the way she does it, you develop, you start to almost feel for the reasons as to why she's doing what she's doing. You can have character arcs where they're the villain and then they become, you know, the hero. Like that kind of stuff you can't really happen in a movie without it being kind of cheesy.

And so, like, we don't really get that with this movie because it was so rushed and because it deserves, I believe, those character developments. but in three hours it's really hard to do so you fall back to the and a lot of times I hate this about Hollywood in general a lot of times you'll have like corny movie lines that like makes an audience laugh but like it's not funny or it's not good like it's very corny like Black Panther 2 had this like when when Shorty said this is my retribution it's just really quite corny movie line like that it gets the crowd going in the movie but like when you look back at it it's like it's not good literature it's not well written you know what I mean and so a lot of that shit happens in movies but not

series because series it's well thought out you can character develop so I think I actually thought Black Panther 2 was better than Avatar too that might be a hot take I thought that was at least a more original story and like low key the water stuff in that movie was

incredible as well obviously not visually and technically but like it was sick I wish they went deeper into the city that would have been fire like to show how they had a network or the city work that would have been really fire. But I hated Black Panther 2's plot because it was like, like, I didn't fall in love with her why. You know what I mean? She was almost like the villain as well. And it had me like,

this is not a noble quest. Like everything that you root for should anyway. It's like noble. It's like a noble thing. Like I see why you doing this like it's a noble cause. Like she was just reckless. And buddy was reckless too. He was trying to kill the whole world. So I was like, I really fall in love with either like they were dueling and I was like whoever wins wins like it's they're both fighting for stupid shit so I asked why I hated black panthers plot but like visually and stuff like I think from here on now we're just going to see that from movies visually they're just going to be dope. Ari and you hit on my biggest complaint which you use the word rushed if you can describe a three hour and 15 minute movie as rushed there are severe problems with

the plot you know what the problem is the problem is you can't character develop the problem is you want more big t so think of it as a good it's uh well we could have we could have had the more in the three hours and 15 minutes well okay so how do you you're you're big t you're in the writing you're in the writer's room how do you um get us from a 12 year period from when humans leave because we agree avatar one was a pretty brilliant movie right so that whole plot was pretty dope i mean it's the same old plot but the way they did it was dope how do we get from 12 years right a 12 year time span and then an entirely new atmosphere an entirely new ecosystem of the same planet that shows it in an entirely different

light but you have to understand the intricacies of that way of life and all that says like there's a water people we were we we fell in love with the forest people this is the water people how do you take 12 years but also give the new way in the new ecosystem, it's due. How did, like, in three hours, that's, it's hard to do. I have an idea. Two. You do kind of, kind of, kind of go with the, uh, with the Lion King style.

Instead of it's like, we're one family, we're going to explain the family. Maybe when all the attacks come, one of the kids gets separated from the family, has to go on his own, ends up with the water people, which obviously, the water people, which obviously the water people would explain their ways to him and then somehow the sullies come later and they all get reconnected that's actually a good idea Hank like that I like the one of the biggest thing that I hated that also was like I was like this like you know when you're watching a movie like oh this might not be a movie for me when they took a picture in Pangea I was like what what is going on like that's not why are they taking a family photo oh uh that was that was that was that was a

where I was like what what is this I think they were trying to show the integration between the humans that stayed and that enjoyed that the place versus the old ways and so like I see what they was trying to do I mean yeah like again rush though you know I mean

before we get into some like heavy spoiler stuff Billy I want you to present your animal that you created for Pandora it's like a killer whale with lion's legs oh that is cool it's just like it needs a little more fleshing out but like imagine a killer whale that can like run on land yeah so what is it it's a whale that can go in the water but also run yeah okay does it swim it can swim can it breathe under water yeah

well no whales can't breathe under water it's got a blow hole blow hole so big lung capacity yeah but it's just like imagine it's just swimming and then all of a sudden it gets the edge of the water and just starts galloping at you. That's a great idea, Billy. Yeah. Show it to that. Yeah. Show to the camera.

I like it. Good job. So, Billy, just, you can go ahead and leave the room if you want. Okay. Bye, guys. I'll see you. Avery, you can leave, too, if you want. Yeah.

Have you seen it? Yeah, I haven't seen it yet. Let the adults have a conversation here. All right. All right. Maddie, you see it? She left, too. They're all gone.

She has, she's got butt issues. All right. Maddie you see it? She left, she left too. They're all gone. She has, she's got butt issues probably. So, interesting. I'm, okay, when it comes to the water people,

I think they're very intelligent, they're intelligent race of creatures. But it's on fucking Sully. And when he goes, there's a bit time. There's no bit times that letting people know, these are spoilers now, right? Yeah.

Yeah. Okay, okay. Sully's a dick for bringing his entire family there when they were being hunted by the most powerful forces in the universe. And then he just rolls up to their village. And he's like, no, we're safe. Like, you guys will be fine. Just take us in.

He brought all that on them. So Sully's kind of a dickhead. And also at the beginning, I don't know if you guys picked up on this. The actor that plays Sully, he's an Australian guy. He sounded Australian for the first like 15 minutes of the movie. Like he needs to get back in the lab, I think, and work on the American accent a little bit. I didn't I didn't catch that I didn't know he was a but he's a dickhead his character's a dickhead

for showing up there and being like hey can we have a free place to stay and also teach us how to be like you and also give us food and blankets and warmth and community um I don't think I'm just trying to get away from war also it's gonna come though yeah I've been marked like he knew he knew he knew that we're gonna stop yeah the fact that like he it's extremely ignorant of him to think like all right we'll just we'll just go a couple a few hours

hours down the road and, like, we'll be good. This isn't like 1920 where you can just have like a wife in one town and a girlfriend in another town. They're going to find you. Yeah. But let me bang for Jake Silly a little bit. He was, he wanted peace, right? But he knew it was inevitable that the humans were going to that because I don't know if you caught it, but they said Earth was dying. And so their new mission was relocation for humanity. And so, They want this to be new earth. And so whether or not Sully brought the war on, the war was coming. And so it's better to have know about it than not because it's coming.

They're on the way. They want to colonize. That's what we do, baby. I also, Aaron, you do know more about the lore of the, of the Pangea world. And obviously, I keep calling Pangea, my bad. I said that on Twitter too Fuck The obviously the first one was

So heavy on the tree And then in this one It's like they got they they showed up with fire And lit everything on fire But they like didn't really talk about the tree And that confused me Well that that specific tree was like Again character development

That they were fighting for their home right When they when they landed in the beginning And it was like all fire And they kind of blew it out You could see them crying initially, but they just didn't go into depth of how hurtful that is because all of that, all those trees and all those things, they're all interconnected in a way that's like neurons in our brain. Like, it's all connected. And so, like, it really hurts them when that shit gets colonized. But they didn't go into it in depth.

And so they were just like, let's move. Which was fire. I loved how, I loved that part, though. I loved how they moved to the cave, like up. They were like, that was dope as shit. And I could not stand fucking Spider-Dog. My girl is banging for Spider. She was like, what could he do?

He was a child. He's a sucker. He is a rat. He is a fucking bum. I hate Spider, bro. He's going to turn evil, too. That, that. Thousand percent.

Can you just clip that out where he's talking about how much he hates Spider and then don't include the end? about not Sputter at Barcelona. We'll get a rivalry going between Arian and Spocker. Because nobody hates Sputter. Who's his mom, too? That was my other question that I wasn't fully caught up to speed on. They don't know who his mom is.

They said, like, obviously, he was a kid and he ended up there and they couldn't bring him back. But, like, who's his mom in the first place? Just whoever? Yeah, we don't know who his mom is. We don't know who his mom is, and we don't know little grace. We don't know who her dad is. Yeah.

And so there's a bunch of questions that we don't know about. And we just got to wait to see. I really hope they turn it into a series so they can really go into depth with the shit, man. So the main bad guy, what's his name again? The Marine. Corridge? I don't even know. It's crazy that we don't know his name.

General Corwich, I think. Yeah. So as he takes on the body of an avatar, and he says at one point to Spider, his son, like, I'm not the man that is your father. Your father's dead. I just have all of his memories. that's that's true right like he's built to be an avatar but he has nothing in caught he's not actually spider's father correct so why does spider why does he love him that's kind of confusing it kind of is like it kind of is like because i think i think i think the general show grace

to spider when initially it was like he's seen the general off people. We seen him set villages on fire. But he shows grace to him. And he shows, remember when they had that thing around his head and it was spinning and they were hurting him saying, give us information where it's sully. And he's like, you're going to have to kill me. The general is the one that stopped it and said, let me try another approach. Like, they was just going to, they was just going to kill him. But like, so he saw that and was probably over time was like, this guy shows grace. This guy shows compassion. And it's, uh, it's, because he's not him, but he has

his memory, so he has a little soft spot for the little, for the little rat. Fuck that kid, though. That kid got just completely mentally dominated by the general. And then, my girl, my girl was banging for him. She pissed me off. She was like, he's, he's a kid.

What did you want him to do? Who do it was like, dog? You took him up to where the Icaron were, all the big birds where you linked to? You took him up there and showed him where they were. They would have never found that shit. Yeah, he was volunteering stuff. that he had no business volunteering. O'Connor, you're a rat, dog.

You're a rat. And then you say, oh, you save because at the end, that was the worst shit I've ever said. It's because we need him for the third one. Yeah. Yeah, that, that was also, like, that kind of pissed me off too, where it's like, all right, we've killed this guy twice. Like, let's get a new villain in here.

There's got to be someone else. I hate it, yeah. I would like it if there was, I would like it if the villain became like a killmonger, where it's like, you're, That's why I love Black Panther one so much was because the villain had a very noble fucking cause. He was right.

Chattala. Tachala was also correct, though, right? But Kelmago wasn't wrong. I think the way he did it wrong. So we need like a rogue avatar clan who's like, we're not fucking with them. Like any one of them, we offer them. And so like, then you have this instant rival

with him and Jake, that would make more sense. Because then at least he has a noble cause. The whole, we kept his DNA, he's still trying to kill Jake thing I admit that was kind of weak that was kind of weak but alas what about the

and then there's three times he can kill him and doesn't Max the whole his whole mission is just they're not even going after the unobtanium which by the way I forgot that that's what it was called

the first movie the dumbest shit of all time it's just a revenge can we admit can we admit it was a bad name it wasn't a bad concept sure okay but but but like so now they're not even trying to do that he just wants to kill jake and he can do that easily multiple times and doesn't not necessarily that was his mission their their new mission was one to uh re to have the entire

earth uh right but central stage of humanity but two again that was his the antagonist that was his goal But he was a small pawn in the larger mission, which was to harvest that little liquid ship from the whales that stops human aging. Yeah, but he's very much trying to kill Jake. Yeah, I think he's a pawn in that game. Yeah, they brought him back to kill Jake because they knew that Jake would make things hard for them down the road. So like get this dude out of here. He's got major influence with the native people. He hates us.

He will kill us. We need to turn the general into an avatar. like I said there's only so many stories to tell it's demolition man you remember demolition man I've never seen demolition man I've never seen demolition bro with Wesley Snipes and Sylvester Stallone I know it's an awesome movie never seen it they bring Wesley Snipes back

Boiler they bring Wesley Snipes back to kill Sebastian Salon That's sick I need to see that for sure The liquid that they have inside the whales This might be controversial Kind of worth it to get that liquid no man I mean it can stop stop aging it stops human aging

arian fuck that was the whole point and you colonizers that was the whole point you would the whole point you would still be playing in the league right now no no thank you the whole point was the whole point was that though that species of whale was if more intelligent than humans were They were more empathetic than humans were They were more artistic than humans were They were more sentient than we are That was the whole point of that

You saying fuck it Well so if humans had some goo inside our body That would make these whales stop aging Then they would be well within their rights To just swarm us nonstop and eat us Well within their rights They would And that's the other thing

They outcasted that whale That was fucked up They outcasted him because he was like, let's attack the people that killed my pot. And they were so staunch on, bro, we don't kill. You're on your own. That's how empathetic they are. That's how brilliant they are. They made a pact.

We do not kill because killing begins killing. Oh, I think that's, you're complete. I think you're 180 degrees wrong on that. I think they show that they don't even really have that much empathy. They outcast the one whale that they had that was willing. to ride for the entire pod that was going to just destroy and fuck shit up that was going to take vengeance

and that whale cared so much about his brother's sister's mom dad etc he was willing to go and go to battle and the rest of the whales were like no get out you're out you're an outcast you're exiled that doesn't sound very empathetic to me no look what happened to telecom

dude one one bad whale then you got a bad species for life also they uh What's, I forget the son's name, but he gets the whole, they instead of just leaving the whale and then the people coming after him wouldn't have known where they were. He's like, no, we got to save this whale. That was dumb. Yeah. Yeah, it was. And then they all go after him and then that's one of the times that he could kill Jake and then it happens. That kid is all time, all time,

dumbest kid of all time. I wanted to. Oh, he's not. I want to sound offensive, but I was hoping he died like multiple times because it would have saved the family a lot of problems. It was silly. his shit actually yeah i mean all here to do is say yo i linked because i was inside of cause and that's not what happened but he was just like you're just wrong just fuck what you say what happened bro like you bugging yeah he didn't explain just listen to your pops you know don't move also don't do dumb shit the neighbors are the the new people like the uh the king's son the water king's sons they just tried to to murder him they just tried to like straight up kill him they were like yeah we're going to go out here's a great hunting spot and they honestly tried to

feed him to a whale. And then the one like trying to be noble thing he does is is not tattle on him for trying to kill him. The one thing I didn't like, yeah, that's true. He did no snitching. Yeah, he was not a, spider would have

pointed fingers immediately. He would have gave him up. Spiders was a bitch-ass nigger, bro. Spiders, the whole whole. They did use, they did use the whale as like a recurring device. It got to the point where anytime something bad

when they were like in a dire situation I just assumed the giant whale was about to swim up out of the water and like save them. That whale, that whale had eyes. I don't know how it saw out of the water saw what was going on like on land.

But that whale was just like, it was everywhere all at once. Harder than we are. I still liked it. Was one of those fishermen? Was that the dude from Flight of the Concordes? Was that Jermaine? What is Flight of the Concourse?

It was a show that was on HBO. I don't know. I'm pretty sure that was Jermaine. He was like the good scientist that just felt guilty about everything. Oh, okay. The fisherman, the main fisherman, when he dies and his arm gets cut off, I took my five-year-old daughter to see it. She's in throughout the entire movie.

When that shit happens, she just starts clapping. I'm so happy, though. That was definitely the most clapworthy scene. Like when that happened, I was like, fuck, yeah. I was dying when she started clever. How long can they hold their breath? That's the other question I had, because they've got incredible lung capacity. Well, at the beginning, they can't, and then they can at the end.

Yeah. Another, it depends on how long we need the scene to be again. Well, that was, that was like, that was the part where I was like, this is just Avatar 1, when it was like, we're going to teach you our ways and we're going to, you know, make you one with our culture and you're going to learn to fit in even though you're an outsider we're going to make you an insider and then we're going to come together to beat the enemy which is also the same enemy from the first one mm-hmm do you think that james cameron ever thought to do a scene where uh where kate winslet's character was just getting drawn on the boat as it was sinking

that would be thought about i mean the scene when like they were uh like the boat the boat sinking really had nothing to do with anything like but they had the scene where the kids were like racing trying to get to the top of the boat without it sinking and it was like this is it was titanic and inception the scene when uh they're like in the hallway and the hallways flipping upside down it was there was like a titanic inception inception yeah i also thought that when when the sun got shot i was like oh he's going to be paralyzed from the waist down like his avatar is going to be paralyzed and that's how they're going to tie that in like it's dead yeah i have a fire actually uh so billy came in

That was sad Billy got all sorts of You just sat here to listen to spoilers I kind of blocked most of it out I'm currently getting a lot of flack From a bunch of Irish people For the whole potato famine denial That clip that I don't know if I believe him

What? They're in my DMs right now Yeah So there was a bunch of Irish people Who didn't listen to the show The George Soros one And there's just seeing the clip of being like Do we even know if the potato famine like actually happened? Good question.

So Avatar 2, I think, I still think that it's such a visually awesome movie that I can overlook most of the plot holes. It's that good. I would legit rather than say, have made a movie that was just three hours of like the cool looking shit with like no plot. Just be like this isn't there's, this isn't a film with a plot. We're just going to show you really cool shit. That's best what they did. Well, but they tried to make a plot. it sucked and it ruined the cool stuff. I think whoever came up with the idea of let's use the DNA from the first

antagonist. Like somebody in the room should have been like, but I don't know about this one, bro. Is there anything? Yeah. Anything else? Any other type of villain? Yeah, that could have,

they could have left it on the cutting floor. I think they should have had like, they should have had like spider be the bad guy and like turned spider into an avatar. And then he's like hunting him down. Oh, Dad's vengeance. Or how about like a neighbor? Because it's a moon, right?

It's not the main planet. It's a moon. Like how about a neighboring planet that we got war with or something? You know, let's say something that, I don't know, something else, man, something else. But it's just kind of the whole DNA thing was like. I also loved the, I loved the, I was definitely, I definitely probably took too much of an edible where like there was a little bit of point where I was like, I need, I want to go to the hospital.

Uh, I wasn't just like enjoying it. But the part when they started. started like really trying to bump up the avatar sex appeal was when I was like oh my what am I what's going on when it was like the girl walking out of the water and shit I was like what who's like there's definitely dudes that are like oh this is hot this is fucking hot I would absolutely you give me a 50 year old avatar well that's my speed baby there's no no asses on the avatars though no cake no it's a cakeless planet no the mom Avatar's got a Duke.

No, I don't think she's got, I wouldn't say she's going to Duke. Which one? Mom, the, Sally's wife. Nah. No. Yeah, they had a, they didn't,

they didn't see with her. Yeah, no, I do think I recall, I do think I recall her being moderately kicked up. No, she's not, she's not,

she's like super thin. She's like in great shape. No, they put it out there. The tail, the tail and ass, the tail on the ass might throw me off. The tail is weird. Hang on,

what's her name, Nakiri? Teddy I'm gonna just Google Avatar ass and see what let the chips fall where they may Does the Kiri have ass Okay on on Reddit

Has anyone else notice how amazing The butts in this movie are Please For educational purposes Can you put that in the thread? No this is not kicked up whatsoever Look somebody took a still shot It was like man look at this ass

That's not a great ass there was one scene where i remember i remember seeing it and going doing one of these just being like i know what yeah i recall that also they're too thin they're too thin to have would you so is someone who's only seen the first movie do you think the avatars have more sex appeal in this one than the last one oh yeah you think that they were trying to play it up for some uh some memeography so they got water woman yeah the water woman the water woman got oh she might have been young so I can't I can't say that I'm not going to say that the water daughter yeah yeah be

careful with that one Hank yeah you don't want to mess around with avatar age laws you don't I don't yeah what's the age of consent on Pandora we need to what counts is a year I guarantee you I guarantee there's a Twitter thread or like some sort of weirdo on Reddit that's had that discussion already probably on one of the well actually it's probably way more complicated because isn't the avid pandora a moon on a planet that rotates around the sun so that the concept of a year might be totally different. True. That's a good point.

A lot of eclipses, too. They also, the last, last thoughts are like last things that they showed in the water world where they were showing them around, they were like, this is the center of our universe or whatever, and it was sick. Like, and if you see all the promotional images, they use that one shot. You know what I'm talking about? I forget what it was called, but it was like a co-vary. Yeah, it was like the coolest-looking place, and they just never went back to it.

They will. I guarantee they will. Because that was their, like, what they called Home Tree for the first ever. Yeah. Home Tree. That was where AWOL was. Now, is this still on Pandora? Yeah.

It sure is. I think this movie would also have been great if it was just David Attenborough narrating it, like Planet Pandora. That's what I'm saying. The dinosaur thing that came out on Apple. Yeah, just made a, make a nature film about Pandora. That was a great prehistory planet. I did have a little bit of that since where I left. I walked out of the theater.

And I looked around and I was like, fuck, I'm not on Pandora. This sucks. It's like gray and rainy outside. Facts. It's trash. Earth is trash. Yeah. It's very depressing.

Oh, also, Edie Falco. How about Edie Falco being like a badass Marine captain in this? Tony Suprato's wife. Oh She was the lady at the beginning That was like introducing Yeah I've heard that name before

But if you told me to pick E.D. Falco out of the lineup I wouldn't have Tony Soprano You've never seen Carmelo Soprano You couldn't pay me to watch that show The Sopranos? Oh, it's like everything I hate What?

What? Wait, great television? No Like mob stuff Like New Jersey Like no you couldn't fucking pay me to watch that This is the worst take you've ever had Big Tee

No it's not you don't like any mob movies no never seen any is it like a cultural thing like in the south you don't understand italians no i think it said i don't enjoy that you've never seen any of them though yeah but i i know

you could scar face you have a scarface nope good fellas nope so you don't like any glorification of crime i that's that's not what the problem is it's that they they're like i hate the voices i think you're i think you're racist against white people yeah you hate italian no i don't think that's it i think it's

that i don't the whole genre does not appeal to me what about the genre being italians no what about gangs in new york never heard of it good fellows i we already asked that i've i've not seen any none of the godfathers obviously the departed nope what's that one joint with uh with probably mark walberg but um he running around He, um, he, uh, born out. He's not into it, but I think it's like little brother is. And he like, like, I save his little brother from the mob. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Contraband or some shit. Contraband or some shit. See? That movie's good. Have you seen contraband? Wait, I don't know if that's a name. Never heard of it. But it's not even Italian.

Like I tried to watch, um, oh, what's the name? Peaky Blinders. that was horrible. What the fuck, bro? You've got interesting takes, Big Tee. Organized crime does not appeal to me. You don't like... What a patriot.

I like it. What about, um, you said you like hell or high water, right? Never heard of it. Muted. Muted. No country for old, man. Haven't seen it. I actually recently just saw a scene from that on TikTok and it didn't make... I had to Google what it was from.

Do you like any type of action movie? gunplay? I generally don't see a lot of action movies. Okay, Training Day. Never heard of it. But Moana. Good film. You've seen Moana?

Of course, many times. I feel like Bigteeat loves musicals. Bigtee is the lokiest songbird. Oh, he is. Yeah, no, he loves Book of Mormon. It's a favorite thing. That's fire. Mormon's kind of a gang.

PFC, I joined this Discord to join here. and so I was just browsing around. First thing I click is free talk. And someone just put a picture of a screenshot of me, sadded over the Patriots, and said, put this in a spoon, heat it up, and inject it in my veins. That's what I mean, well, come on. Be nice to Hank.

I didn't know it existed. It was fun, Hank. It was a really fun scene watching you experience that Patriots lost in real time. I would take some of that whale shit, inject that into my veins. I bet you, I'd smoke it. I'd freebase that stuff. I don't know, man. We have a little bit of issues with aging in this society, man.

I don't like it. I hate it. It's not natural PFC. It's not natty. It's just, wow. Like, everything in our culture is geared towards young people. Like, it's geared towards, like, the youth's opinions on shit. And, like, anybody who has been an adult for a certain.

amount of time. No, they have the worst opinions on shit. Yeah, I mean, just listen to Big T talk about movies. Facts. That's all you need to know. Big T. My cousin Vinnie. Never seen it. John Wick. Nope. Oh, my God. You never seen John West. That's not even a mob movie. Yeah, I know, but that's a, it's a, I hate Keanu Reeves. The Reese. What? What? He looks weird. I don't like him.

The Matrix? Never seen it. Does he look at. Reast? Never seen the Matrix? You have a shit movie taste. Yeah, she'd never heard of it. Never heard of Greece? Oh, G-R-E-A-S-E? Yeah.

No, I haven't seen that. That's weird. Go-Greece Lightning? John Gervalta? It's weird. He already said it. You know like Keanu Reeves because he looks funny? Yeah, and he's seen, he's got weird vibes.

I don't, yeah. Okay, Silence of the Lambs. Never seen it. Any Quinn Tarantino movie. Have not and would not. Any of them. Talk about an all-time weird. Like across the board.

I'm okay with that. He's like a big of more than me, probably. He is an all-time weird out, but he's kind of like James Cameron. He's a weird out, but he makes great movies. You separate the art. This is why he just wants to like. He just loves feet. Quinn Tarantino?

Yeah. Also, just loves dropping the end bomb all the time. Just like literally writes movies so he can say that. You dropped a lot. I say this thing on Twitter where there was like, there was a rumor that Quinn Tarantino was going to do like one of the Star Wars movies and the new Star Wars movies. And then somebody put this, like, long-ass tweet, like describing me.

And he was like, oh, let me see, he fades in, the stars light up the nice guy and this big ship in the shape of nigger goes in the house to see me. How is he like getting away with that cancel culture wise? Well, he writes a lot of historical things. That's why, bro. With characters. He also has like, he has African-American to be the protagonist. It's not like it's like a derogatory. Right, the bad guys are using the N-word.

And so you know that they're bad. And it's not glorifying the use of it. It's like, this despicable person keeps saying it over and over and over again. But at some point, it's just like gratuitous, you know? Pulp Fiction was ridiculous. Good movie. Weird. Once Upon Time in Hollywood.

Good movie. Are you still naming movies that you know I haven't seen, so I have to say I haven't seen them? Yes. But E.T. I don't think I've seen it. What's like a cinematic masterpiece to you, Big T, when you, when you, you're like, when you think of, like, great writing, great cinematography, great acting, like, what is the Crem de la Crem? What is the University of Tennessee movie-wise for Big T? My favorite movie is Shawshank Redemption, which I feel like is a pretty universally liked movie.

glorifies crime No it doesn't he didn't do it Spoiler if you haven't seen the 35 year old movie I'd have to sit down and think of like my favorite movies And see how many of them are like Generally critically acclaimed as opposed to Just movies that I like Shawshank's a good pick

Shawshank yeah yeah That shit's one of the more brilliant movies I'll think of some by Wednesday What about heat? Have you seen heat? No Have you ever seen a Robert De Niro movie? Dirty Grandpa. And

I think dirty grandpa, that shit's disrespectful. Yeah, I think Big Tito like Italians, bro. Yeah, I think that's it. I'm not attracted to that genre. We got to unpack the Keanu leaves. We all have her.

I'm trying to think if I've seen any other Robert DeNus. We all have our taste. What else is he in? Hang on. A lot of movies. Meet the Falkers. I know you've seen any given Sunday. I haven't ever seen that all the way through.

I'm thinking of a Chia. Yeah, that's Al Pacino. You've seen Meet the Parents. Oh, great, great Robert De Niro movie, the intern with Anne Hathaway. That's a fantastic movie. No, that's a really good movie. I'm trying to say that. I'm looking through these other ones.

But the intern is a great movie. It's a fantastic movie. Good, feel-good movie. Yeah, those might be the only two from what I'm seeing. Big T, throwing out the intern. I've heard of several of these. You've seen Meet the Parents. No.

What? Have you seen the smell of a woman? No. The parents is right up your, you'll love Meet the Parents. Do you mean scent of a woman? Yeah. Have you ever smelled a woman? Yeah.

You'll love that shit, bro. I think it's a great holiday movie, too. It is. I've heard of a lot of these films that I'm looking at couldn't pay me to watch them but I've heard of them I would kind of want to give you an assignment to watch one of these kind of movies

you like pizza right of course we discussed this last week top top three food I was just saying it comes from Italians though doesn't it pizza is actually Greek it was called PETA and the Italians stole it wait yeah yeah so that's a real deep shit that you would only know if you fucking hated

I'm just saying Pizza's not Italian It was Greek Well We're getting down to it I think this is what it is Bro He don't fuck with Italian

Big T8's Italian It's so much We got him We got to give you We got to give you Some classic movies to watch I just I can't

They're so I can't What was the Alucino What was the first one For you can refuse Shut up dude This is Marlon

Brando One of the greatest actors Of all time You never saw the God of course not it's trash what was the was the movie that started this conversation uh

one of those I don't know they're all the same oh the spranos yeah yeah yeah you said like how gross you you cannot pay me enough money you know you know we're gonna whack you Tommy like it's so it's all the same it's oh

it does not fuck with it's how this is wild you might get another you might get another high noon can throw it yeah That's true. That's true. Also, none of the, the, all these people are American.

They're not Italians. That's another thing I hate about the Northeast. Italian Americans. He's like, I'm Irish. Oh, oh, you're from Ireland? No, my great, great grandparents were. Yeah. But actually that's a bad, that's a bad take, bro.

What? Big T hates heritage. Yeah. No, everyone in the Northeast, they're like, oh, I'm Irish or I'm Italian or and they're, they're from America. It's, it's, it's. Yeah. Big T came at my ethnicity last week. What, Simon, what do you think?

Where do you think culture comes from, Jake? I'm just like, but it's a thing here. Like people ask like, what are you? And that's, I'm from America, as is all of my family. I don't big tea. Big T's like Microsione. Big T's like 1850s nativism. I don't, I don't know that I've ever been asked, what are you?

Oh, it's happened to me several times. What? A lot, actually. Happens to me all the time. People ask you, what are you? Oh, all the time here. where like where are you from like what gender do you identify as or like just what are you like people say like where are you from expecting them like expecting you to answer like what your heritage is

i think i've told this story on this podcast before one time but i was uh i was on a date one time and this girl said where are you from and i said Georgia and she goes you know what i mean i was like what are you talk she's like was this in new york yes she's like where are your grandparents from and i was like Georgia and missouri she's like where your great grandparents from i was like Georgia and Missouri. And I was like, what are you talking about, dude? Like, that's so weird. Yeah.

Well, now I'm curious, BigTee, where does it end back up? My mom's side of the family came here on the Mayflower. From England. Well, actually, the Mayflower didn't leave from England. I'm pretty sure it did. Go off, Billy. I'm pretty sure the beginning of the voyage of the Mayflower is actually from the Netherlands. Yeah.

which would explain why he wears orange all the time yeah they're from england are you a dutchman yeah you're you're the most orange think big tea might be the most orange person in the history of the world like your your ancestors are from the netherlands would explain your height well their their name is chilton which is british no actually streets in england they're very tall people in the netherlands and then you become a diehard university tennessee fan the school i went to yeah why you get mad when people want to know where your people from because i'm from America and no matter how

hard you try to you're not from America no one's from America how how not the origins of your people are not from America I am from America as is everyone that I've ever

met and my family what about Zah? What about Zah? In my family Hank she'd ask where you were born she asked where you're from those are two different questions. No no no no It's a weird Northeast thing, and I hate it as I have organized crime films. As people, it has to do with people who are interested in the origins of where humans are from.

It is actually, I think something that like, it is a Northeast thing because there's a lot more of an immigrant culture in the Northeast. And part of that, it's not just a Northeast thing, though, tell me. Well, probably not a Southern thing. Yeah, the two parts of the country I've lived in, obviously, I can't speak to the rest of it, but it only happened. That's only a thing here. Like, Louisiana has a huge immigrant culture as well. It's just different. Like, there's where you're from. That's, that's, that makes sense. And I think that is something foreign. Well, in the South, it was just like white folks, slaves. And that's about it. And so there's no everybody from there. Yeah. There's no reason I ask where you from. Like, Big T. Would you ever do like a 23 in me? Uh, you think I'm going to send my DNA to some company, uh, absolutely.

I did it. I'm sure they love that you did. As did the FBI. Yeah. Imagine if you were like, imagine if you were like 80 about to get away with like several murders. And then just your, your, your like, grandkid freaking sent their DNA way and that's how you get popped. Well, you know what? Then, then I'm helping the crime.

And I should be proud of that then. yeah i will i will not be sending my dna to some uh some corporation that would be a big town bummer if you ended up getting like yeah or your parents arrested for a crime i don't have enough dna i tried to i sent i sent my spit to 23 in me they sent me a letter back saying i'm sorry we weren't able to extract enough dna in your spit to come back with what your uh your ethnicity is so they said do it again make sure to fill it up to the top i i I followed the instructions the first time, but I said, okay, I'll do it again. I spat into the thing, made double sure, followed all the steps correctly, sent my spit out, and they wrote me back and they said, this happens to like 0.01% of people that send us their profile.

You don't have enough DNA in your sample to test. So I think that means that I can get away with crimes. No, no, no. That just means that your mouth doesn't hold as much, like your saliva. Yeah, I don't have, I don't have as much DNA in my fluids. You know how they tell you like to bite your cheeks a little while doing it? Yeah. Like to get some more.

I think I don't have enough, there's not enough DNA in my secretions. I'm the perfect criminal. Do you have any kids? I'm the perfect criminal, not that I know of. geez yeah you might not have DNA I might not I might not have DNA PFT is a figment of our imagination I might not exist my brother did get his back though so he's got DNA what if you guys aren't full well we you heard what happened my buddy Jerry look exactly the same of course I heard about your buddy Jerry from the docs

who could who could forget who straight up had a full kid that you just didn't know about This is why, like, I think Big T is secretly, like, I think Big T likes me. I think he respects me. But I think that there's like an element of Big T where he's like, I fucking can't stand this guy. No, I do like and respect you. Yeah, but there's like a small, small piece that gets annoyed. That's because I'm 1% Sicilian. Now it all makes sense.

Oh, man. Yeah. It all makes sense now. No, I totally like and respect you most of the time. Do you have any Italian friends? I don't know anyone from Italy. know yeah do you have any italian-american friends uh i'm sure there are people i know whose heritage is italian did you ever watch jersey shore no okay i'm with big tea on that one yeah i think i think

something that so for example in new york city there's several enclaves of immigrant settlements basically where people from the same place lived and like it's one of the most segregated cities on earth go on Not exactly, come on. No, it is. And with that, there's culture, there's restaurants, there's, you know, stories and lore, which sort of kind of codifies the Northeast and that, like, usually a lot of people want to talk about their immigrant background because there's a sort of, like, pride in their, you know, the journey from the homeland to the new world.

Yeah, I understand why it happens. That's, yeah. Like, but why are you in. annoyed by it. That's literally like the reason for their diversity. They don't understand when you answer the question like in a way that they don't want it answered.

You just like being a contraire when it comes to shit like that. Or usually a better way to say it would be like, oh, your last name, what's the origin of it? That's a better way to talk about it. So like we could even break that down

right now. Where's your last name? name from? No idea. Canap? Is that we're doing government names? I don't care. Okay, you don't care. People know his government name. My Twitter handle. Okay. I don't know. Like, that sounds pretty German. I thought you guys forgot about me. You're talking about Avatar. We did. No, we did. I knew they forgot about me. I'm the one that remembered to text you. You're welcome. Yeah. I told the director who's out the room. I see you here. Avery, then we brought up Edie Falco. She plays one of the characters in this movie. Yeah. Do you know who that is? If I gave you a lineup of people, could you pick

out who E.D. Falco is. Not by name, but maybe by face. Like, I maybe recognize her. You know, that was my whole original point. You know, Carmelo Soprano. Yes. Yeah, that's Edy. Okay, I don't know her by name, but have you seen that show? What? The Sopranos. Oh, like a thousand times.

So you like it? Yeah, it's amazing. Big T's just going off on it. You know, like the Sopranos? No, he says you could not pay me enough money to watch that show. That might be the most fucked up thing you've ever said. No, he's been on a diatribe about how he hates mob movies, how he hates Italians. The Northeastern. Love Italian food. Like, like Avery, you know how like people ask you like, oh, where you like, especially in the Northeast because there's so many different immigrants who've came to this country and they sort of take pride in it. They sometimes ask, oh, like, what are you? Yeah. I mean, James Gandalfini is an incredible actor. It's an amazing show. I could watch a thousand times over. So what I've discovered is that Big T is just he's a cultural vampire. Yeah. He likes taking all the stuff that. Italians invented, but he can't learn their stories or appreciate their culture. How much do you watch? When was the last time you used a telephone?

Right now. Yeah, because Italian invented that. Okay. You ever do a French people invented movies, the thing we've been talking about. You ever do a crossword puzzle? Yeah, often. Yeah, that's also invented by Italians. How much do you just make it?

Did you Google Italian inventions? I know. I knew this all at the top of my head. You like coffee? No, despise it, actually. you like using batteries for things you use any devices that have batteries in them the aforementioned phone okay that's also italians do you like civilization not a whole lot that's ancient no okay when last time you hopped on a barsanti

matiucci engine i don't know because that's also believe it or not invented by an italian i do believe that yeah wait but how how much of sopranos have you actually watched not a second do you like modern Christianity you can't you can't say anything about sopranos then I've seen enough well I've seen clips I guess To see that's bullshit You know what this It all makes sense

Yeah Because the Romans killed Jesus So Big T holds a grudge Got it Also codified the Bible Low key I really think you'd like the Sopranos You gotta give it a chance bro

He was doing he was doing impressions Of how annoying he thinks Like mob movies are And it was incredibly Yeah Big T Just do it do one more scene like you got to whack your boss

hey boys you know is your business it's pretty good that's what all that shit sounds like it's pretty good yeah that's the entire plot of the Supranos

I'll never forget what you taught me hypothetically would you ever go against the family yeah for sure now it does make sense why Rico hates you but he You go against all these codes.

No, Rico's Irish, who's fakes he's Italian. All right, yep. Careful, careful, Billy. I don't even think he, he doesn't hate Big T anymore. They're like, they're big time allies. Well, yeah. I heard you guys are coming out of the podcast together. Is that true?

That is not true. That's not what I heard. You heard wrong. It'd be news to me if that's the case. We got to get you on Jeff Nadeu's podcast, Big T. Talk about organized drugs. No, thank you. stand up stand up guys there used to be there was there was like they always used to talk about like

how when italians moved into the neighborhood there used to be people who were like oh man there goes the neighborhood like the italians moved in that's big t yeah big see what are your thoughts in the irish they uh the italians the neighborhood's a great just a great phrase the italians also invented uh the manned torpedo which that's fucking ballsy wow Happen. Japanese made it famous. Yeah, just, okay, I'm going to sit in this tube and then just drive it into you. See ya.

Have to respect Italian. Would you employ Italians? Sure. If you, like, had a job listing, would you say, no Italians need apply? Billy, these are very stupid questions. Their voices are annoying and their movies are bad. That's the extent of my dislike. You haven't seen it, though.

Also, none of these people were talking about are Italian, by the way. Italian American. Edie Falco. Is she from Italy? She's Italian. That's not what... Robert De Niro, not Italian? Robert De Niro's Italian.

I would... I'm assuming he's probably from fucking Siazzae, New York. I think probably Tribeca. At least that's where he lives now. Oh, he actually, last night a woman broke into his apartment. Big T's... Place of birth, Greenwich Village. He was born in Greenwich Village?

that's what it says They started that It's where I live I might need to move out What's the film Tribeca? He's from Tribeca Oh Tribeca Film Festival Yeah

All right Well Big T You need to watch Sopranos Just watch just try I'd really rather not You gotta give it a chance Or at least Goodfellas

Can you please watch Goodfellas I'd rather watch Sopranos than that But Sopranos And I won't watch Sopranos Supranos is like six seasons All those things Is like three hours I can't do it

I can't do the You keep my fumes All right You don't have to watch it What if we got When we got Glennie balls To sit in a room with you And just voice out the entire movie

That's so much worse We actually should get Glennie to watch To watch Goodfellas with you for the first time No thank you Glennie and Zah Glennie Zah and Big T Remember they had a Sopranos podcast? No I forgot about it

Yes You would like good fellas i think you would i really don't get to open your mind to it i don't huh i kind of think it's because like big it's very interesting as when we grew up the northeast your perspective on it because it's just like the resonation of like uh how much like work it took to sort of make it in america that you're sort of it's it's interesting nobody interesting billy billy nobody your age that says their Italian worked to get to America. They're cosplay

but it's like proud. They're they're larping being Italian. Yeah, but they're just their great, great grandparents worked very hard to get to America. And they're honoring them by they are like, let me get the record. They're lorping. They just eat the desserts and that's it.

You know what would be a great starter movie for you? It would be my cousin Vinnie. And here's why. Because it's like a comedy it's not even really organized crime it's just about some Italian guys that get in some trouble and then Joe Pesci becomes their lawyer and it's a first time lawyer it takes place in the heart of the south so they're in like a southern small town trying to fight back against like a small southern like small town judge I think you'd really like it actually because it does make fun

of the stereotype of Italians a lot because they're fish out of water from New York Can we start with that maybe? I'm looking at the trailer for this, and it's too old. I can't do, I can't do too old. I think you'd like it, though. This was shot on negative 1080. I think you'd like it. Watch the trailer, okay?

I'm looking at it. It doesn't... No, you got to listen to the trailer. Watch it, listen to it, get back to me. I think... 1992? This came out in 1992? I think you'd like my cousin Vinnie. My cousin Vinnie's all time.

This looks like it came out in the 60s. It's all time. It's very funny. It's right up your alley. That's the one where she gives the monologue about the car, right? Yep. I do love law movies and books. There we go. See? But this, I don't know. We broke the barrier.

Yeah, this is a good starter movie. And the Italians are the butt of the joking in a lot of times, too. So you enjoy that. Well, then maybe it's a good starter. Yeah. All right. Well, Hank, thank you for joining us on our Avatar 2 review. Thank you for having me. He'll be back for Avatar 3. We will be. For seven years. And four and five. How many are there? I think it's like eight.

saying like nine. All right, that's too many. I just need a new villain. Give me a new villain. Yeah. All right.

All right. So we'll see you guys on Wednesday, or on Thursday, excuse me, we'll tape it Wednesday will come out on Thursday. What are we thinking for it?

IRA. Hey. What? Large can't come. Oh, on Wednesday? Yeah. You asked about Wednesday?

Yeah, I asked about both days. Okay, so we can't do Wednesday then for IRA. Yeah. I don't know We'll give it some thought Yeah

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