Macrodosing: Arian Foster and PFT Commenter - NANODOSE: Kanye Made Alex Jones Uncomfortable ft. The Cast of Destination Fear

Episode Date: December 6, 2022

On today's episode of Nanodosing, we have a packed show talking everything from Haunted Houses with the cast of Destination Fear to Kayne West's interview that went off the rails with Alex Jones. Big T also gets T'd off at the selection committee. All of this and so much more on today's show. Make sure to tune into MACRODOSING, every Thursday at 12am EST.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/macrodosing

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Love you guys. Hope everybody had a great weekend here. I missed you all. I guess we can just start right away with I know that Big T's fired up about some Tennessee things. We can get right into the Tennessee minute if you want. I didn't know that I was. Oh, you're not? Because last I checked,

you were getting very hypothetically upset about the fact that hypothetically Alabama could sneak into the final four and not Tennessee. Even though none of that happened. You were still getting mad at the hypothetical. Well, yeah, because it was ridiculous that they were ranked ahead of us and still were. But we ended up getting a better bowl game destination than they did anyway. So there we go. So it's the orange bowl. The orangest bowl. Orangest of all the orange bowls. Only way could get oranger, I think, if the Syracuse was in it. If that's a better orange, then which one? No, I'm just saying they are the orange.

Okay, that's true. They should let both teams wear orange. They should. They're cowards if they don't. That would be incredible football. And we have an orange helmet now, so both teams all orange. Erie just, he winced when you heard the sound of that. Guesting.

But it'd be so disgusting, it'd be amazing. no okay can you imagine being the quarterback in that situation tough it'd be tough but it'd be unlike any football that I've ever seen before that's where we separate the men from the boys let's see how good you really are reading a defense yeah listen how how good are you at just like recognizing different colored uniforms anyone can find where the defenders are when they're wearing blue yeah agreed I you know what big C's talked me into it let both teams wear orange yeah I love that idea they won't can you imagine howards being a referee and that game they wouldn't do any worse job than they usually do be basically impossible well i mean we can

reach the the conclusion that um while referees are not perfect roughing football is really hard it's extremely difficult to do everything happened and in fast speed like that of course they're not going to get everything the human eye is not fast enough for it a i refs no i like the human element I like the fact that things make mistakes sometimes that we can complain about you know if everything was perfect

if it was like that's what I don't like about soccer using VAR all the time is sometimes they're whistling dudes who are like their shoulder is slightly off sides but most of their body is in an onside position it's just like that should be

according to a normal human that's on side I get upset about that rule needs to be changed it should just be your legs just if your legs are behind the defender Like if your hand is past him, who cares? Your legs are behind him. I was always taught growing up that it was like where your center mass is, like the core of your upper body.

That's fine too. That's what I always called it by. But having like your arms count, it's just, it's really strange. Or what if it's like throwing a forward pass at the line of scrimmage? It's your farthest back, like foot. Well, no, because then you could be off. But like just make it, yeah, your chest or your leg. or something.

Yo. Four crypto billionaires killed in mysterious circumstances in the last three weeks. All right? Is this true? Yes. Because you're the first person

I've heard talk about this which could be a product of the fake news media but I haven't heard about this anywhere else and I feel like billionaires dying I would have heard.

Okay, so here's the four Vyashislav Taran mysterious helicopter crash. Javier Biosco jumped from the flip floor of a hotel in Spain. Tantian Calander unexpectedly died in his sleep at 30. And then this fourth dude tweeted that the CIA and Mossad were after him and then was found drowned four days later. All right.

So I'm trying to find reputable news source behind this. All I've got so far is, let's see, this one person is a law grad and it looks like She's a matchmaker, and she's got the blue check mark. I've got Rapphouse TV reporting on it. Nikolai Mushigan. I saw Rap House TV. Bitcoin Batdies is reporting on it as well. She's a Twitter Spaces host.

I'm just asking questions. You may have heard of her. In her bio, she says, shit poster. It's not what you want. So, oh, Candice Owens reported on that guy as well. Okay, then it's real. Yeah. No, just, just what I think this might be a

compounding variable of dudes getting super rich in a weird space that is now having some troubles currently. And I think maybe a lot of it's self-expected. What are they speculating right now? I think some of these guys are like next, like smaller scale SBFs. So they're all kind of, they know that they're going to be next. Yeah. I would also say that people that just like get handed billions of dollars are probably going to do some very reckless behaviors over the course of like the first three years that they have billions of dollars in their pocket true from basically doing nothing yeah so uh i don't know what's going on why what would the reason be to like hunt all these people down and kill them because you you can't take their money

that's kind of the whole thing right like their money is stashed online and you need a scrap of paper that's probably written down underneath their desk phone at their computer like to get the password to get into the wallet no so if you kill somebody like this you're not you can't take their bitcoin out of their pocket the conspiracy amongst the crypto bros is that uh like the the national treasury what is it the centralized treasury thinks that bitcoin's decentralized and like a threat to the u.s. dollars supremacy in the world and they're like taking these guys out to like prevent it's Bitcoin from becoming the true financial freedom of the world. Bitcoin dudes love to think that they're the main character.

Yeah. In this movie that's about their lives. Yeah. They think that the world is like a script that's being written about them and how special they are. I highly doubt that there's a conspiracy out there to like kill all the apes guys. I could see the apes dudes having like some sort of pact amongst themselves. The NFT.

Yeah, because these dudes are, they're a bunch of weirdos and they get like addicted to all these cheap thrills. I wouldn't be surprised if they had a, you know that game assassins? Yeah. If you guys ever heard about that where like you write down a piece of paper somebody else's name that you're hanging out with and then that person's objective is to assassinate them, whether it's like over the course of a weekend or the course of a month at school. But it's like people do it with like water pistols, water balloons, things like that. and then you're always, like, looking over your shoulder for an assassin. I bet you that there's definitely some, like, crypto collectives that are actually playing the game assassins for fun.

They run it, run it, run it back, run it back. All right, so it's like team building activities. So, like, start of training camp for the, for the Texans, uh, everybody puts their name into a hat and then, uh, you, everyone one by one goes around the room and takes out somebody's name out of that hat. So like Brian Cushing comes up and he pulls out Arian Foster. And he doesn't tell anybody this, but Aaron, you go up there and you open it up and you have Matt Schaub, right? And so your objective is to assassinate Matt Schaub at some point between like now and let's say like two weeks from now.

So depending on the rules of the game, you can have like a water balloon, you can have a water pistol or an airsoft gun or something like that. And your goal is to try to get to that person before whoever has. your name gets to you to kill you another another cool one is like just saying their middle name but like it can't be in school has to be like off school premises what do you mean so like you sneak up on someone and say their name while they can't see you that's like a classic one said like a water pistol that's how you get to them yeah just by saying their name yeah you just yelling at them from across the street like yes be like they they can't you have to sneak up on them then like whisper their name in their ear without them knowing okay yeah

minister yeah it's a fun game it gets it did cause a couple car accidents uh in the time i heard about it how did he cause car accidents people people were getting into car chases tried to assassinate trying to say somebody else's name yeah because they'd like pull up to people's houses and stuff hide their bushes yeah and then like someone would roll up and they'd be like oh my god then they'd whip out and the other person would chase them down in the car uh really but ball yeah that i guess i'd be really creepy to hear somebody whisper your middle name to you when you're not expecting it yeah should we play assassin the funest part is that if you assassinate somebody

you then have to go assassinate who their target was their person and then that's how it's an elimination huh we could do a game of assassins yeah just what's the kill is it fun with like only sick what we got six five six people it could be fun the thing is we'd have to be like you can't assassinate people in the office or at work events. So then that just, it sounds to me like it would just turn into stalking. Yeah, no, that's how that's what it happens. It's like, you have to be like super assassiny and like it gets a little weird. Like when someone's just hiding in your like your apartment building hallway. So yeah, I think that, uh, I think that's definitely what these crypto guys are doing. They're playing the game of assassins or they're

faking your own death to avoid all the fraud charges. That's, that's another possibility is you'll fake your own death. Except one of the we used, it looks like it was a helicopter crash. Yeah. That's pretty tough to fake especially with all the emergency response vehicles. Oh, it crashed. In Russia? No, this helicopter crashed in Ville Franch-sur-Mere in southern France. I spent, I spent a week there

a couple years ago at my most busy vacation ever. It kicks ass. I get the south of France now. It's pretty amazing. sweet um any other vacation tips you guys have just let me know i'm kind of an expert now panama panama panama france everywhere panama is very fun panama is a good time what happens if panama stays in panama i can't get into any too many of the details but i came back on saturday night and uh i i stayed there all day friday i left friday morning at one 30 right after we're done recording part of my take i flew to panama got there like

6 a.m. Partied that day, that night, partied a little bit on Saturday, and then got on a plane and flew back. So I could come back for NFL Sunday. So my brain is right now starting to feel like it's back to normal from this weekend. Panama is a very underrated place to go. I highly recommend it. It's got cool beaches there.

It's got the canal. It's not that hard to get to. Everything's pretty cheap there. The dollar is quite strong. There's a lot of fun stuff to do. do they have any like pictures of teddy roosevelt i didn't um go on like a historical tour of panama while i was there because it's a bachelor party i mean we don't get me wrong we did we spent you know like nine or ten hours in the libraries and going on the guided nature walks

but there was there were other activities that were more interested in that it was a good time so i give panama 10 out of 10 if anyone's looking to go i have i have a few recommendations for you do you see the canal saw the canal what's it looking like uh it's strong the canals looking good no ships were stuck in it at the time that's wrong canal i no it's panama canal there are no ships stuck in the panama canal no but suez was where i'm aware i'm aware but panama canal looking strong um it looks good it's actually not as big as i thought it would be did you see this the pull the systems i didn't go on i i didn't go on a tour of you really wasted this trip to panama what the hell were you doing I didn't go on an engineering tour of Panama.

Is there for a bachelor party, you dwee? Yeah, but like, why would you check out the amazing engineering feat that's the Panama Canal while you're in Panama? Because at other things that were more pressing issues. Yeah, but you could probably do those things anywhere. Wasted. Not true. Wasted trip. Not true.

I did get back from Panama and I googled drug laws in Panama just because I'm home safely now. And I was just curious if the guys that I left behind there, if they were into any sort of things like that, what kind of danger they could be in. I always, I'm such an idiot. Whenever I go overseas, I just always assume that the drug laws over there are basically Amsterdam. Like, when I was in Hong Kong with Donnie, and he was like, do you want to try this MDMA? I'd never done MDMA before. And I was like, yeah, sure, we're in Hong Kong. It's probably cool over here. No one's going to get mad about that. And then I come back and I realize it's like extremely strict laws against MDMA over there. This is why you just stick with light beer.

Yeah, yeah, could stick with light beer for sure. Panama. How was the MDMA? In Hong Kong? Well, I mean, how was it in general? Way too strong. Yeah. It turned me off it forever.

So you weren't turned on while you were on it? Not at all. Not at all. It just, I took too much. And so I got a lost control a little bit and just had to sit down for a while because I didn't really understand what was going on. Really? I've never heard anybody lose

functionality on it before. Well, I don't know what else was in there. There's probably a high probability was cut with something else because it was... Meth. It was MDMA and Hong Kong. Could have had meth in it. It was like Brown.

So, yeah, it was Molly. So I don't know what drugs they cut it with. But it was... It wasn't that fun, but it was all on camera so you can see me just be real messed up off it and not really understand what's going on. But then, you know what? for the first two hours I was on it, not good.

And then for the rest of the time, it got a lot better. So I guess what I'm saying, kids, is if you are doing drugs, be very, very careful because you don't know what they're, that's just like the reality is like, you don't know what any drugs are mixed with these days. Might be myth. Yeah. And then you might, you might have a real freak out about it. And then you might get arrested and start riots and then have the entire world go to shit shortly

thereafter from COVID because that's what happened I didn't met you know what I'm just to come out and say it I think that COVID was a way to stop the Hong Kong riots in all the social uprising in China I mean think about it's the perfect way of control population this was my take when it happened mm-hmm yeah let's kill millions and stuff yes let's do it Billy dude I mean there's a populous I'm just saying fire take on a fire take I like I think I wrote that in literally December because when it first came out yeah when we were seeing like like the people getting sick in China,

like all those weird videos, the people falling over in like December 2019, I literally thought it was a fake flu to get the like to put the genie back in the box with all those protests. That was just that's why was my first thing on it. Who knew you were right? That's crazy.

What a soothsayer. I know, but like I still think there's something to do that. There might be. There might be Billy. Yeah. I do know that. that in China they're starting to deal with more like more protest about lockdown now because

China's been trying to do zero COVID policy and that's pretty much impossible to do we figure that out I thought they would figure that up by now it's like you can't have zero COVID but you know what really pissed off the Chinese people was turns out some of the government contractors manufacturing the tests were giving a super high false positive rate because the more positives the more tests they could sell and that really ticked them off yeah that's not good yeah that's actually because you have to retest the positive people it's a genius idea though just sell a bunch of tests that are positive a lot a lot of health care made off with a lot of money from this pandemic i know a dude who just bought a warehouse and filled it with medical supplies and he made off like a

bandit isn't that price gouging or you're just describing one of the price gouging guys yeah he was scouting guy. Yeah, those guys suck. Yeah. They're the worst. What's his name? I went to school with him off Adam. Yeah, that's such a shitty thing to do. Well, you should because he's a piece of shit. Remember those dudes that would like fill their garages up with like masks and gloves and shit, right? Or toilet paper. Toilipaper. Yeah. Or diapers. That was the worst. Somebody bought like

all the diapers in his local area. And then every parent was like, yo, what the fuck? We need diapers for, like that's something for your maybe that you actually need. That was messed up. Some guy out of corners that heard you're looking for some shit catcher. I'll also, another nice thing to say about Panama gas there is extremely cheap because they're smoking that Maduro pack. Thank you, Joe Biden.

No, that Venezuelan pack? Yeah, they're getting, it's like 98 cents a gallon down there. Dude, are there any, do the tankers fill up there? I don't know. There's a ton of boats that are just chilling out. Because you see, the way that the geography of Panama is set up is you fly into the Pacific side of it. But since it's like on the southern part and it's kind of facing east, the sun actually rises over the Pacific Ocean. No way.

In Panama City. Yeah. Wait. Think about that, Billy. I'm trying to think about it. Yeah, it'll fuck you up. It's fucking me up hard right now. So we think of the Pacific Ocean as being west.

right yeah but in parts of panama the pacific ocean is actually slightly out towards the east because of the shape of the isthmus so i i i'm one of the only people um that have in that have seen uh the sun rise over the pacific ocean in america in panama oh yeah wow wow that's crazy yep this is like you know all these things is what you should have been doing in Panama while you're there. Don't tell me what I should have been doing. I had a great time. Checking out the boats and stuff.

I saw the boats. Learning about the country, but no. I saw the boats. There's a bunch of islands that look like they're in Jurassic Park. Whoa. Like the Jurassic Park islands out there. A lot of volcanic or like

formerly volcanic activity. You're not supposed to go too far outside of the city. I did learn that too. If you go too close to Columbia, that's bad news. Well, how, actually, how big is it? Panama. I'm looking at on a map right now. It looks pretty big to like actually end up in Columbia from Panama City. Yeah, yeah. It's a few hours drive, but you're still not supposed to go down there. What else about Panama? There's a great building. One of the all time buildings that is extremely recognizable from Skyline. It looks like a giant screw. What's it called? I think it's called El Tournillo, the screw. I think it's just called the screw building in Panama. Outstanding.

building great skyline did you go in it i did not go in it but i was i was around it oh that's cool yeah it's cool it's a very good building as far as like skyline defining buildings go that's got to be up there f and f tower yep was called there's um yeah see it's a good country panama it gets a 10 out of 10 for me i i hope to be back soon um any yep liver king uh apologized okay What do you say? He said, I'm sorry that I did steroids and lied to all. I was too busy inspiring all the people who suffer from mental health issues. Okay. That's good spend zone. And like literally, I think word for word, he goes, I'm sorry for what I did, but 40,000 people kill themselves every day. And that was sort of his reasoning. Pretty wild. So he was saying

that by by being liver king people weren't going to kill themselves yeah pretty wild

okay sure whatever yeah he's still he's still in Mongolia right yeah he's just eating yak liver

and playing with eagles not a bad gig to get if you can get it uh arian how's your weekend uh

was pretty chill man um oh I went to the Texas game for the first time since I played. Yeah, that's right. I saw you there. You were up in, uh, you're in the sweet level. Yeah, um, the lady there, uh, that I'm in contact with, like, with player operations. She, uh, she got, she got me in the famine. It was cool, man. Seeing,

seen a lot of people ain't seen the years. Good times, man. What was it like? What was the atmosphere for, for Deshawn's return? Uh, nobody really cared like that. He got booed a lot. He didn't really, I mean, I was watching some of the game. They didn't watch a lot of it, but from what I saw, it's looking kind of rusty. But, yeah, it was a cool experience. That was kind of, that was to be expected with Deshaun, I thought. Like, people were saying he was going to come back and, like, blow the Texans out of the water. I don't know. I felt like two years is a very long time to not play football. Yeah, I mean, shit, I play, I was in, I had, uh, play, I got a fantasy league with a bunch of

Casters who you to play with. And I was whooping his ass. Well, I would have whooped his ass. But the Texas, I'm sorry, the Cleveland defense put up 30 points by themselves, dog, on the Texan's office. And I'm just like, like, how, you can't even account for that, like, nonsense. The best strategy then would just be to pick up whatever. defense is playing against the Texans that weekend.

Yeah. I think that's what he's doing. Yeah, I think that's what he's doing. But it was good to go back to the stadium? Yeah, it was cool, man. It was cool. Had a lot of good times, man. I've seen a lot of people I ain't seen in a long time.

Might go back a little bit more. That's good. That's good. I'm recovering from a tie yesterday. But it was a good tie. It was a productive tie. We tied them. They didn't tie us.

So commanders... That's our tie. commanders tied giants 2020 avery um good tie yeah good tie i think both sides at some point thought that they were going to lose that game so uh i i actually thought that we were going to lose that game in overtime because uh it just looked like you guys had all the momentum and then brian dable was like here you go we'll just give you the ball back that was pretty that was nice of them yeah it was tough seeing them not go for it on fourth and three there but at the same time they got the ball back they they trusted their defense but there wasn't

enough time. I will say, though, that I was really shocked that he didn't do that. Yeah. And also, there was one hit that you guys got, a sack that you got on Hinekeen overtime, where I thought for sure he was going to fumble the ball. Yeah, you got him on the blinds. Yeah, came on. Timboe came off. I don't think we even blocked him. I think our tackle like chipped down before he even stepped out. And Timbado just hit him straight up in the back as he was holding out the ball with one hand. Didn't fumble. That's always amazing to me when quarterbacks are able to not fumble when they don't see a guy coming in that's about to hit them and they just get lit up. Yeah, Heineke's solid, man. I mean, the receiving court you guys have is

pretty legit. I know Jahan Dotson, Penn Sake guy, he's, he's awesome. Yeah, you guys have a great team. I think the NFC beast has never been better. I would love it. I would love it if we got all four teams of the playoffs. I think it's going to happen. That would be sick. And then in the the AFC, that might happen with the AFCs. We'll see what the Patriots are able to do. But right now, right now it's looking pretty good. It's that freaking Rutherford air that just blew the ball back. That's crazy.

Graham Ganoe hits that. Like he, he's a good kicker. Yeah, he's a great kicker. And obviously, if it's a dome that goes in, I just think it's that MetLife, Rutherford, wind. Just knocked it down. Mm-hmm. what about what about you bill you get any fun this weekend i went to a reptile show on sunday hell yeah yeah it's going to be coming out and part of my take tv Thursday and Friday what's

a reptile show it's like a dog show but for reptiles so it's also sort of like a convention were people like walking were they walking their reptiles around yeah i mean there's some serious breeders who are displaying their color morphs and different uh hybrid it was actually quite fascinating there's a whole hobbyist uh type collective which really concentrates on, you know, selling extremely expensive herps, as they refer to them, herb culture, herpetology. And there was like some $100,000 snakes at this thing. It was really cool.

What is a $100,000 snake? Like a snake that through intensive breeding for certain colors in like rarity. So for example, like, you know, albinos are rarer than regular colored. right okay yeah so like there's certain stuff uh color morphs like albinism that if you cross and stuff there's like super um complicated genetic structures that people desire more because of their rarity a hundred thousand dollars though yeah who's buying these snakes for a hundred thousand dollars you know hobbyists people who who find value in it like i was talking to some guy who's like well you know a snake like this is an investment yeah

Did you buy anything? No. Did you see the, um, there's this dude that bred like an emoji on a snake? Oh, that's. So like you, yeah, so like there's like a, I don't know, like a genetic thing where you, where it looks like a little smile emoji. Oh, wow. That's actually, that's a pie ball. That looks like a piebald, uh, uh, ball python.

I'm looking at that now. It literally has smiley faces. Yeah. They look like Jackal and there's Oh, there's several of them So yeah He bred it He bred it for that

That's pretty cool Yeah so this took eight years of trying And it can sell It's being sold for at least $10,000 Wow Huh That's

I don't understand how that's possible To breed an emoji Like a specific design Yeah look But that's what's so They're like They're like can't Like they refer to this

different animals is like canvases. So snakes are pretty classic because they're easy to keep and they have large broods as they say so they can there's many hatchlings to differentiate from but there's a lot of inbreeding in it

because they try to get the recessive traits to come out. Yeah, Billy just turned his computer towards me to show me the snake and then he also has a Wikipedia page open on the right side featuring the design that Kanye West. So prominently posted on Twitter. So no, so turns out, turns out, ended up getting him kicked

off. Let me defend it. No, I am. I just bring it up. I mean, you, you can't just put that in my face and have me not I would not say anything. So this one guy tweeted, Kanye West was suspended for posting the symbol of the Raylian religious movement. Yeah, I'm sure that's what he was trying to. I was like, what the hell is that? Because I look at that too. Yeah. I didn't know. Because when I first came out, I was like, that doesn't look. He, he's not clever. Well, he is very clever. artistically i mean he made he made graduation i know but i was like that symbol's definitely been used before for something else because it turns out it was for this like ufo religion that was founded in the 1970s in france by claude vor hillon which is a basically it says that like every

religious figure uh was inspired by aliens and every communication from the gods has actually been communications with alien entities and that's where that symbol's from okay uh so that's why i was up on i was reading that because i was curious i'm a back really that that is that is true because i came across it i came across somebody's tweet because i was reading underneath the thread of when Kanye had posted that and then somebody had posted a link about railism or realism or whatever it is and they had that symbol and so i just started reading about it and i watched a couple of youtube things on it and it's like a little cult almost but it's like kind of harmless

not harmless but it's like they they're not like a death cult or anything like that but they kind of believe like he said about aliens and gods

and otherworldly beings they are it's interesting I don't know why they chose that symbol but it's interesting yeah they're they're headquartered in Switzerland but they have a lot

of Japanese followers because part of their dogma is that the atomic bombing of Hiroshima in 1945 is when humanity entered an age of apocalypse which it threatens itself so that

sort of resonates with a lot of people in Japan so there's actually tons of Japanese followers of the Ralean movement it's pretty small so when Kanye posted that what do you think he was trying to do though oh no yeah not that but I was curious that there was another group

that used that symbol and I was like who the hell this is this group i think kiney is like a lot of americans out there who just go on the internet and find shit and like unregulated that's their that's their truth so like wherever he's at in his current youtube history like that's what he believes in you know what i'm saying so it's like yeah he's just he's just one of those if you don't if you're not you know like if you don't have found if you don't have no like filter in which to view the world like you're just susceptible to anything and i think i really think that's his issue but and he's how do you how do you explain

this so you're talking about clone yeah just real quick he uh he just posted on instagram about Elon Musk is a clone yeah i have it but okay read it read it uh am i the only one who thinks Elon could be half chinese have you ever seen his picks as a child take a Chinese genius and mate them with a South African supermodel and we have an Elon. I say un-E-Lon because they probably made 10 to 30 Elon's and he's the first genetic hybrid that's stuck. Well, let's not forget about Obama. I'm sorry for using curse words in church, but I don't have another word for Obama yet. Yay, 24.

Let's unify and find out. L-U-A-F-O. Yeah, that's weird. L-U-A-F-O. Let's unify and find out. Oh. I like that. That part of the message is pretty cool.

Yeah. The rest of it sucks. Well, I just, the thing is, I think you saw that video of the guy in China who looks exactly like Elon that post TikToks. There's a Chinese Elon Musk. Yeah. I think Kanye West is just like, he's just riding the algorithm. Yeah. That's the greatest description of what's going on with Kanye is he's just surfing the algorithm, thousand percent.

He's just, I mean, imagine if you're Kanye West, you don't, you don't have to do anything that nobody tell, like, no one's your boss. No one, you haven't had a boss in probably 20 years, 25 years. You just do whatever it is that you want to do at all times, which probably leads itself to a lot of just sitting down and watching YouTube and then watching the next video that's suggested to you. I mean, that's what we all would do probably. It's just like watch the next video that's suggested either by YouTube or by TikTok. But the bottom line, is all of us have places to go and things to do because we have jobs and bosses so we don't have the luxury of just spending hours at a time just letting that get mainlined into our system Kanye West he can do that all day long if he wants to it sounds like that's exactly what he's been doing yeah although he's that's a great description is right in the algorithm right just surfing it surfing like a wave his appearance on the Alex Jones show was was was disturbing but it was also hilarious to watch Alex Jones turn into the moderator on that show and to try to like he's sensible one he was like he was like trying to reel him in a little bit and to try to like give him all these off-ramps

and and explanations for maybe why he's saying the things that he's saying like when Kanye is like I love Hitler and then Alex Jones is like well you know I was like dogger you know he had cool uniform so we could say Hugo Boss did some good uniforms right and then Kanye would be like no no I like him he had good ideas. I admire Adolf Hitler. And then Alex says, like, oh, we got to go commercial. You can say all this, all this stuff. I'm not, I'm not with you on the Jewish stuff and the Nazi stuff.

We're not saying, if you're just listening, we're not saying that, that Hitler was good or that we like Hitler. We're just, we're having an open conversation. And then the camera starts to pan out. And Connie, he's like, no, I like Hitler. I've, you know, wildest thing. I've never seen Alex Jones do a nervous laugh before. And there were like three or four times where he, nervously laughed after Kanye

said something crazy and I was like oh my god like if Alex Jones is nervous about saying shit like you got a problem. The wildest thing is when he took an aquarium net out and he goes and he takes the net out

and he goes this is this is Benjamin Net Net Net and Yahoo and this is a thing of you too. He's like he's like what do you think about Benjamin? Like I was taking your family I haven't seen it

I did see the part where he's fucking this one I was like come on kid like you defending Herschel Walker now like that's wild like I was like

you fully like just a conservative like pundit now it's hilarious that's the part that you're you're shocked about yeah yeah not all the other shit

well I didn't say I wasn't shocked by the other part but that's the part when I was like you went full concerned because before he's like he likes to to straddle the fence on political he's like i don't do politics but like when you're directly defending harshal walker and like that's you're a conservative pundit you're not a

go ahead uh so just like what happens to conier now because he's very clearly having a mental breakdown publicly he needs to have i'm telling you like scientology needs to approach conier west and be like, Kanye, you're so close to figuring it out. Here's what you have to do. Here's, here's all the places that here. Let's fill in some of these gaps for you. Let's check your Theton levels. Let's see, uh, let's see what's going on with all that.

It's just spend some time in one of our, our lovely locations for the next two weeks. I think they could get Kanye West real hard into Scientology. He could pivot into that. But like seriously, though, like, what's, what's going to happen to him? Like he's so. That would probably be the healthiest thing for him right now. So he's too crazy for Alex Jones. Uh-huh. So, like, what does he do now? Because he can't, I think he is officially, like,

I don't know the kind of sales numbers it would do if he came out with an album, but like, I think people are really, like, don't want to associate with him anymore. Yeah. So, like, openly expressing your admiration for Hitler and the Nazi party in no uncertain terms. And not even like the, the, what school was it? It was Eastern Michigan or something, some direction school hired like a position coach football a few years ago. And the student newspaper asked him if you could have dinner with anyone dead or alive, who would it be? And it was like, well, I'd really like to talk to Hitler just to see like what he was thinking. Obviously, you should never say that. But I mean, Kanye's just straight up like, no, Hitler was good.

Yeah. It's kind of shocking to hear anybody say that. Yeah. So like what does he do now? I don't know. I don't know that there's an off-ramp for this. No, there's no, there's no rebound. There's no rebound. He just spirals until he's just the crazy guy in the corner. Like, that's what, unfortunately, that's what is just going to happen. I've heard a lot of speculation that he's off his medication right now, which would explain a lot.

He, well, he did say that in a song. Yeah. that if he if he goes off his lexapro things are bad yeah this is man imagine like lexapro imagine getting back on your your medication and you start to realize all the things that you've done in the past like the month and if you're conier west you have like somebody plays back or your television appearances on the alex joan show that's about as bad as it can get i would imagine i did my guy's really just going on a tour with nick fuentes man like what the like you know like some of the most influential

and amazing people in the world and you're a got a fucking sushi joint with Nick Fuentes. Yeah he was like a Habachi joint like a strip mall and Nick Fuentes is like is like 20 something? Yeah like bro you 40 you're walking around

with a fucking 20 year old Nazi like go find a 40 year old Nazi like why none of it makes any fucking sense no of it makes sense. Wintas seems like he's the one that's that's probably the happiest about all this. Oh he'd loves it. It's because he's gotten so much attention out of all of it. What's his guy? I mean, he's a white nationalist. He's literally once an ethno state.

And like, and so to hear a black man say all of this shit is like his, he's creaming his pants every time he talk. I think Fuentes is, he's like a 24, 25 year old. He's an internet troll openly declared himself to be a white nationalist. He leads the Groyper movement, which is a bunch of troll. like he's got troll army online that they tune into all his live streams and shit he's the guy that said that having sex with women was the gayest thing that you could do but again I think that might be him

trolling a little bit he's definitely branded himself as an insult troll but he's like open about it I think I think he's one of these guys that at the end of the day he just loves attention and he's figured out a way to get attention for it and the way that he's done it is by openly like declaring himself to be like

a very bad human being with like white nationalist views if it all came down to it i don't think he'd ever participate in like a race war or anything he's probably too big of a pussy but he likes talking about that stuff because it gives him attention that's that's my take on i don't know that much about it totally off topic but have you guys ever seen a flanged male orangutan like you know the really the rangtangs with the big heads with the with the like the yeah i have they're around yeah Alex Jones is looking exactly like that his head is getting wider yeah when i was looking at those clips i was just like this dude is a flanged male orangutan his head's getting wider you get the round head like like

barry bonds very like alex jones's head is giving berry bonds right now or or like plant of the apes just the orangutang no i was i was going to say like steroid use makes your head you're the expert right bill yeah i mean there is growth is that hg hg which does it hg hg usually does a little more so do you think Facial growth. You think Alex Jones might be on HGH? I think he's always had a big head. I think he's just alcoholism giving him like really like Winston Churchill Jowls type alcoholism. Well, at any rate, it was it was interesting to see Alex Jones be like the peacemaker on his own show.

No, God, no, Godd, it's, uh, he doesn't, he, you don't believe that. He doesn't mean, he doesn't mean that Hitler's good. I believe, no, I like Hitler. He was good. There's a Jewish mafia, like, but there's an Israeli mafia. Yeah, that's right. He was, like, even trying to go halfway. He was like, I believe there's a Jewish mafia, but I don't know what you're talking

about with the rest. Yeah. It's just incredible. Incredible. Like, I mean that in the real sense of the word incredible. Like, I couldn't believe that it was happening. Like, every thread that was added to that with the latest clip, it was just getting worse and worse and worse.

It was like fake. He was like, yeah, Hugo, boss they make great jackets yeah yeah other than that not good sneaky uh new jersey straight state troopers if you hold on before we deviate hold on before we deviate there's one thing i've always wanted to talk about have you ever seen that thread oh it was a law this was when coney first started this stuff and he just put on the maga hat have you ever seen the thread or have I talked about, I don't know if I have, about how he is doing a performance art. Yes.

In front of it. I talked about that. I don't know if we talked about that on this show. We might have where it was like based on a French like performance artist, right? It went into like super fucking detail. And like everything like super lined up where he brought in Andy Kaufman and there was an old book. I don't know if you should I go into detail on it yeah yeah find that

so everything he's doing is an act yeah performance art but I'm not saying I believe it I'm just saying the thread was mad interesting much hold on let me let me find that thread real quick if he was doing that

like if he was looking for the most attention possible craziest stuff there was there could be nothing else he could do differently to do better you know what I'm saying like in the scope of performance art like he is doing a perfect but if he's doing performance art I don't understand what the point is what's the point of creating any art maybe I'm because they make you think about certain concepts I hear you know I'm a send a thread so you guys can follow along and I'm just going to read it

listen I am not advocating that this is what it is I'm just I'm just saying when I first read it and this was pre all of this Nazi bullshit. This was just the MAGA hat and like how he was like saying he loved Trump and stuff, which a lot of the theory it makes sense. So this is dude named Snowcone who I think

he got it from Reddit. And so anyway, okay, so it goes, get your tinfoil hats and red string. I've got a conspiracy theory. Kanye West is in the middle of a performance art piece and the clues are right there in front of us. He said, first we did to establish who this guy on Twitter named Denham Tears is

is. And side note, him and, from my, to my understanding, Kanye and Denham Tears have since split because Denham Tears don't really, I don't know the details, but I don't think they're really rock with each other anymore. He said, so we got to establish who Denham Tears is. Forgive me if this is well-known info. I'm not great at keeping up with everyday celebrity. His name is Tremaine Emery. He's a collaborator and friend of Kanye. Last night, Kanye tweeted this picture. It appears to be Tremaine at a table. We also know from a previous tweet from Tremaine that he's in Calabasas where Kanye lives. And if you look at the

pictures, it's him and Tremaine is in there. Kanye also mentioned in his interview with Charlemagne. My boy Tremaine tweeted so we can assume that he's both friends with Tremaine and looks at his, and I looked at his Twitter account. I promise his info will be

important coming up. He said, okay, a week or so after rejoining Twitter, Kanye tweeted these images on 422. The first two images involved David Hammons and the third and fourth involved Joseph Byes. And if you look at the old Kanye tweets, which he, which he screenshot it, it is what it is. He said, so let's start with the first two images involving David Hammonds.

After Kanye tweeted those images, Tremaine, quote, tweeted him with the spades emoji. He said, I believe this is referring to Hammond's work, which is aimed to turn racist cliches, a spade on his head. He said, as far as the other two images, Joseph Baez, the image Kanye tweeted was from an art installation, Bys did, excuse me, if I'm mispronounced it, but Bies did. in 1974 called I Like America and America Likes Me, where he locked himself into a room with a coyote for three days. The purpose of this performance with the coyote, a wild spirit often thought of as America's untamed spirit, was to hopefully make the coyote tolerant and accepting through Bice's desire to heal. So I believe Kanye is doing a modern take on Bice's peace with

the coyote. He's embraced what might be considered that coyote of today gotten close to it. Trump, Candace Owens, and the alt-right. He said, maybe he sees this as a better chance to tame the coyote more than the traditional methods. But would Kanye get caught out for doing something that's already been done for something for taking someone else's ideas? He said, maybe not. He explained to himself first. And then Kanye's tweets, he says, too much emphasis is put on originality.

Feel free to take ideas and update them at your will. All great artists take and update. This is still Kanye. He said, let's be less concerned with ownership of ideas. It's important that the ideas see the light of day, even if you don't get the credit for them let's be less concerned with credit awards and external validation it's not where you take where you take things from it's where you take them too which is a very valid point in my opinion there's a great book i forget the name of it uh for the name of who wrote it but it's called

a steel like an artist it's a great book i recommend uh he goes on in the thread he goes to me there are two clues that are most important the first one is a tweet from connie this picture posted six days after the others again shows buys hammons and now introduces what appears to be a drawing of Andy Kaufman. And this is Kanye West tweeting now. He says mood board and it's a picture of those two books in Andy. He wrote Andy with the eyebrows, which Andy Kaufman was synonymous for. And he goes on. Anyone that's even a little familiar with Andy Kaufman knows that he was a performance artist who would put himself in uncomfortable situations in a wide view of the public eye and rarely, if ever, break character. Check out Man on the Moon and Jim and Andy on Netflix. He said,

so why is this important? It shows that Bison Hammonds are still on Kanye's mind. Kanye refers to it as his mood board. Maybe most importantly, he had to purposefully add Andy Kaufman into the picture, but in a somewhat subtle way. Maybe having a picture or a book on Andy would be too obvious. And rough drawing with only his first name is obviously more subtle. So in this picture, you have a performance artist who tamed a wild creature by showing it love and compassion. An artist who took a racist symbol, the spade, and flipped it to give it new meaning. and a performance artist who wrestled women

and generally acted insane in the public eye and rarely broke character. The other most important clue of all this was Tremaine's response to this Kanye tweet. Tremaine, quote, tweeted this with the caption of, quote unquote, the prestige with an emoji of the spade, a guy juggling, a cowboy hat, and two wrestlers. This is an amazing breakdown.

It goes on to say, maybe I'm reaching here, but I think the spade represents the maga hat, a symbol of perceived racism. Juggling could represent Kanye pulling a trick or maybe some juggling a lot of things. Cabo hat represents Taming the Coyote, and the wrestling represents Andy Kaufman. He said, going with the theory

that juggling represents pulling a trick that could give some context to the prestige, possibly a direct reference to the movie in which the prestige is the final act of the magic trick. Should I read that? And this is a quote from Christopher Priest, the prestige.

I know this is long winded, but it's hell interesting. And it goes, every great magic trick consists of three parts or acts. The first part is called The Pledge. The magician's show. shows you something ordinary, a deck of cars, a bird or a man, he shows you this object. Perhaps he asks you to inspect it to see if it's real, unaltered, or normal. But of course, it probably isn't.

The sector act is called the turn. The magician takes the ordinary something that makes it do something extraordinary. Now you're looking for the secret, but you won't find it because, of course, you're not really looking. You don't really want to know. You want to be fooled, but you wouldn't clap yet because making something disappear isn't enough. You have to bring it back. That's why every magic trick has a third act, the hardest part we all call the prestige. I said, another quick note on the prestige.

This is something Tremaine has tweeted a few times. He tweeted in 45 minutes after the infamous picture of Kanye and the Mega Hat. In the movie, he said, I don't know if it's true or not, the prestige is the reveal to the illusion. You take an ordinary thing, Kanye's usual stance, make it something extra ordinary supporting Trump. And then the prestige turns it back into something ordinary is the album, his prestige. He said, also Kanye is no stranger to take him perceived racist symbol and attempting to flip it like Hammonds. And in 2013, he supported a Confederate flag and commented on its meeting. And this is a direct quote.

He said, react how you want. Any energy is good energy. And this is in 2013. The Confederate flag represented slavery in a way. That's my abstract take on what I know about it, right? So I wrote a song called New Slaves. So I took the Confederate flag and made it my flag. It's my flag now.

They said, the quote on the MAGA hat, he says, I feel when people think of MAGA, they don't think of empathy. This is year one. We can't add empathy to MAGA by hating. We can only add empathy with love. and time and truly hearing all sides. So my theory is this. Kanye, most likely, with the help of Tremaine and or others, is in the middle of some performance art piece, which, what is the overall good of it? I don't know.

Maybe holding on a mirror to the world and forcing us to talk about some things. Maybe the album will explain. He said, oh, I could be completely wrong, looking at way too much into this, but I don't think I am. Is it such a stretch to think one of the greatest artists of our time, in his opinion, in mine, who has had a hand in music shoes, real estate fashion, would try his and performance art, and he references the claim. There's a few other things, but that's a wild ride to get taken off. Yeah, looking at it and seeing that what's there, that he was reading this literature and sort of did, like, have actual connection with this artist.

Did he, but by that sort of idea, like, I can see him trying to flip stuff, but it's kind of gone way too far. Oh, I 100% agree. I think that's why Tremaine and him actually parted ways. And so like the cognitive dissonance that I have with some of the things that he says is like, okay, he's like a huge proponent of Christianity in Jesus, right? Which I love a lot of what Jesus' messaging was, right? As an atheist, like I, it's just what it is.

Like you look for good things in all works. think that's what his unless I'm not Kanye explaining right now but I think that's what his attempt is trying to do and he's saying there's good in all things but I'm like this is just indefensible like you said I think he's taking it too far and if this is performance art um there's no prestige there's no coming back from this dog like you can't like this one like you're referencing one of the most atrocious acts in human history and you're saying the dude responsible, you know, one of the main catalyst for it, I like that guy. That's, it's just indefensible, man. It's just a wild, but it was just a wild ride to go on to say, like, if this

is something, I wouldn't put it past him because, like, that would be kind of a cool thing. Like, you're doing live performance art, like, with all of this depth in it, but to what? Like, what is the, what, you're risking too much. Like, people are actually getting moved by this. I mean, unless he thinks that he's being so ridiculous that it should discount everything he's doing. Because, like, he did pull out a net. Like, he has been being, like, pretty ridiculous in his delivery. Yeah. Which is racist as fuck.

Yeah. His, his explanation, or not maybe his explanation, but Kanye Defender's explanation is kind of similar to what Arian was just saying, which is like, if you were to ask Jesus, do you love Hitler? according to many scriptures in the Bible Jesus loves everybody right and so it's not about your earthly deeds or things that you've done necessarily that there's love inside him for everybody I think that's what they're saying that Kanye was doing but he wasn't just saying that in like a Christ like way he was he was also talking about his actions yeah which is a completely I don't think Jesus would be like you know what I love that he invented the microphone so I'm going to go I'm gonna get co-signing for that one because well first of all it's irresponsible because

I think what bothers me the most about is is is he never condemns it like like remember we're earlier like early in our episodes we was talking about like yo Charles Manson I really fuck with a song that he did right it's a really good song I was like but that has nothing to do with his atrocities and I like I absolutely will never defend that man's actions but he did create something that was I enjoyed like I there is cognitive distance there. But he never condemns it. That's the issue. I think humans, the one thing that he did say that I do agree with, like the classifications, especially with emotions as humans, we love to try to compartmentalize a lot of that stuff, but it's, it's in and out, inside out,

has one of the greatest hallmark moments in cinema to me when happiness and sad, or happiness finally realizes that happiness is only happiness because it has sadness to contrast it. with like that was a really powerful moment it's really dope moment but that's that that's emotions emotions are complicated so it's okay to admit how you're feeling but it's also you need the contrast like you can't just say Hitler did good shit and leave it at that dog like you just can't like it's it's it's it's it's it's not honest you're not being intellectually honest and you're being provocative at the sake of like peoples who have suffered generations and generations from atrocities committed by that man so it's just like it's very irresponsible

possible but he also said he's never read a book so that's kind of what you get he's read a lot of posts though he's read a lot of youtube thumbnails mad tweets yo a lot of tweets uh yeah it's been it's been wild i don't know what his next step is i just know that he has been now officially uh officially dropped by milo whatever his last name is yeah non monopolist i don't know how to say his last name that's bad because he was a fucking racist too yeah they broke up there was like a funny video of them. Milo was no longer involved with his campaign. He said the decision was mutual, though.

Yeah. Did you see them eating habachi together? Yeah. Hilarious video. They're just like in this random habati restaurant. Neither of them belong with each other. And they're just... That's what I'm saying?

It's the most random mashable characters I've ever seen, though. It's like, Kanye, like, you have some of the most powerful influential people at the touch of your fingertips. Yeah. And you're with Nick Fuentes and Milo Yilanopoulos. eating fucking sushi bro like what are you doing yeah i don't i don't know what kanya does next he he might have to just like go away for a while check himself into some sort of facility come back up being like hey i'm going on an apology tour you know what what if kanya just like

goes away for a year undergoes intense psychotherapy and then comes out and makes an apology album only for Jewish people but it's like his best album ever it's so hard because his music's so good and I'm Jewish so like you know there's obviously a disconnect in his brain but his music is so good like I'm not not going to listen to it I enjoy his music but like some yeah we always say it all the time like have to separate the art from the artist sometimes yeah we've got the guitar wrap-up video that's coming out on the first one's coming out on on Wednesday me and Donnie and Donnie put out the first preview for it on Friday

and it was a Kanye West song I was like Donnie Come on, come on man Read the room, don't Read the room, Donnie. And Donnie's like, well, I already edited this before the Kanye West Hitler rant Maybe the worst day ever

to put out a video with a Kanye West soundtrack to it. I mean, the craziest thing is Antonio Brown is in a standoff with police still while this is all been going on? He has a warrant. He has a warrant out of my face. And he was like,

in a standoff with the police while some of this was happening but like Kanye was going off so much that we didn't even care but AB is trying to build with Kanye now they're trying to link up right now I think so is he still in a standoff I don't know what AB's up to maybe he's I hope I hope he's all right but I don't think that he is

no my last thing for today is how's everybody's Christmas apps going actually decent I've gotten a lot of DMs about like people wanting to know updates I'd have a step back a mild A very mild setback Yeah

But Christmas abs are I'm still going I'm still going I'd say my Christmas abs are loading I'm going to go hit the gym After this I've got an entire weekend's worth

Of bad food and beer To sweat out of my system And then yesterday I I ate a lot But that was mostly just because I was trying to I needed comfort So I was eating out of comfort yesterday on Sunday And I was still technically

clean my brain on vacation. So starting now, Christmas Ebb's back on. Okay. Billy? Yeah. Me too. I got sick and it made me drop an insane amount of weight. So now I'm like, just got to get a pump. And then Christmas abs will be dope. The rest of you guys?

I've had a setback. Have you? Yeah. What happened? I mean, I had pizza for dinner last night. like just just some just been having to I've been having fun in my normal life yeah and that in turn um turns into not as fun in other ways but I have a Pilate I'm working out after this at Pilates later so I'm getting back on the horse it's Monday we're getting back on the horse but speaking of I will say the Connie shit I was at a bar this weekend and

gold digger came on and people were this is the craziest thing it was people were yelling be like skip the song and they skipped it and then so then they were like skip it then american boy came on notable conier verse in that song they skipped that over too he's like the crazy shit but uh yeah no i'm back on the horse i'm yeah absolutely yeah i like the idea of the super bowl abs the super bowl abs yeah super bowl abs that seems more attainable for me right now it's a little bit more reasonable yeah life is a journey not the destination yeah i'll tell you what the fact that we even having this conversation before New Year's is good. Yeah.

We're ahead of the game. Yep. We get to get to the gym and New Year's and get mad at all the new people there. Yeah. Yeah. We're going to jump. We're going to jump on New Year's resolutions. Big T, you have any New Year's resolutions?

I'm just glad we're saying Christmas again. Let's get through Christmas before we worry about New Year's. Okay. I've got a New Year's resolution for anybody out there that's looking for one. This is my life hack. I do this almost every year. I'm going to start drinking more water I agree

Yeah You can just say that Like I need to really drink more water And it's very attainable Just get yourself a giant water bottle And then just carry that around And be like yeah you know I feel better My skin's better

I've got more energy You can say all these things That nobody will ever check you on Or actually measure And then you get to act like you've done something Speaking of Christmas Buy our ugly sweater Billy's wearing it right now

It's really nice If you get yours, please send you wearing it on Christmas. We'll post it. Yep. Pretty awesome. Do we have any voicemails or anything we want to get to? Nothing right now. Tell you what, call in leave voicemails for Wednesday's show or coming out on Thursday.

What's the number again? Sorry. 347-560-0401. That was off the headtop, Matt. You got that memorized? Yeah. I have it memorized as if it's my own final. over at this point. That was pretty good.

Now, we haven't talked about what we want to do. I have a suggestion. I know you watch this. I'm in the middle of watching it. The Casey Anthony thing on Peacock. I'm intrigued by this the case. We can get into it. Should we do Casey Anthony?

Can we reach out to her? Yeah, I think we could get her. Do you think that's a good idea? No, but we should. Yeah. We could make fun of her. She's I watched it It's

I never seen it Didn't she kill her baby or something It's interesting Yeah and she got away with it Allegedly But That would not be a bad idea We could even try to get

Maybe KB on KB is really into Casey Anthony Or KB in a wig KB in fights Yeah What do you mean? He can pretend to be KC Anthony

Oh okay Well I know he's just really into he's really into Casey I could talk to KB in fights and see if they'd be interesting coming out Ariane what do you think would you want to do a little discussion about Casey I'm all for it

I don't know shit about it so all right so she's got a show on it's on peacock it's three parts so it's only like a three hour investment about her case I would also recommend watching something that's not this exact documentary

about her case because you might get different perspective on it but we can also talk about what she's doing with this one yep I'm gonna watch that tonight beautiful all right good suggestion that was my

that was my first like national case that I turned into like that I was old enough to comprehend Tot mom Casey Anthony is that what Nancy Grace called her the tot mom probably

I feel like Nancy Grace has called eight people that yes yeah that's her big thing what's she up to these days Casey Anthony or Nancy Grace? I haven't seen Nancy Grace in a long time Maybe we just haven't had a good enough National case in a while

I feel like she would have tuned in for Johnny Depp No I think she's I think she's doing Iowa Idaho That is fucked That's so sad That is a very scary situation Can we reach out to Casey Anthony and Nancy Grace Nancy Grace?

Nancy Grace would be lit. She would be. Casey Anthony looks a lot like KB. All right. Tune in on Thursday for Casey Anthony with KB who might be Casey Anthony. We should put a wig on KB

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there from a show called Destination Fear on travel channel you watch it Fridays at 9 p.m and it's going to be streaming on Discovery Plus right after so we welcome on Dakota Laden Chelsea Lave and Tanner Wiseman and Alex Schroeder, the full cast.

First of all, kind of a weird coincidence here. Our producer, Chelsea, I guess, is familiar with your work at Quinnipiac because Avery, did you, you played hockey there, Avery? No, I just worked there. He just worked for the hockey team. Oh, that's so awesome. Shout out Chelsea. Thank you.

That's so cool. Yeah. So, well, I'm interested to hear about. the show because the premise sounds fascinating. I guess you guys just like to get scared. You like to get spooked and you hang out in really scary places and just wait to be

frightened out of your pants. Pretty much. Yeah. So how did you guys discover like how did you guys get together and decide to do a show like this? Yeah. I mean, growing up we all grew up next to each other

in the same neighborhood and our families were all friends. So we all grew up together. And one of our hobbies in middle school and high school was going to like abandoned buildings and going in for 30, 40 minutes and getting scared out and then talking about it for the next two weeks. It was just a total hobby of ours. And eventually, once we were done with high school, we decided to do this documentary that a couple of years later turned into this show. Okay. What was the scariest place that you guys went when you were like before you guys turned pro when you were just doing it for the love the game.

For the love of the game. I mean, like everywhere. I mean, we went to any place we could go in Minnesota. We could go anywhere we wanted to in Iowa,

Wisconsin, the North Dakota's. But what was that one sanatorium we broke, or got unofficially invited to? Was it Pokegama? Yeah. Northern Minnesota.

Yeah. Like four hours driving all the way up to Pokeyama. And then we lasted maybe like two hours, just like wandering around. Yeah, the sanitariums just sound like terrifying places. For the listeners out there who might not be familiar with sanitariums, can you guys describe what they are? Because I think you went back to one in this season as well, right?

Yeah, I mean, sanatoriums are basically, they were constructed in the late 50s, 60s for tuberculosis, and which is kind of eerily similar to what we experience with COVID, but they they have tens of thousands of people sick in these places. And that's why when we go there, they just seem to be the most kind of creepy and active because so many people passed away. We've been to sanatoriums and sanitariums,

and there's a big difference between the two that we had to make sure that we said the right word when we were filming because they're so close, but they mean very different things. Yeah, like sanitarium is more of an asylum for like mentally ill and that type of issue. But sanatorium is more or the tuberculosis. Does that affect like the spirits you encounter in each one just a little bit different? Is it's just like the sick tuberculosis patients who died, spirits a little different than the than the mentally ill spirits?

I would say sanitarians are just like going there with this like this, I don't know, this bias that things just going to be a lot more wild, you know, TB is like, and they're totally two different things. So I would say yes, but I feel like I pre-plant that in my mind before I even go there sometimes. When you're going into these places, what do you bring with you supplies-wise? I mean, I guess you're dealing with a totally different set of what you might encounter, if you might encounter. So what are you going in there with? Is there any sort of tools of the trade that we don't know about that you guys bring to these scenarios? well we used to love having flashlights because it's so dark in there you unite you it's nice to be able to see where you're going but this season um we got rid of all of our flashlights so anytime we're doing a solo or we're by ourselves we have to wander these massive buildings in the complete pitch darkness only relying on our cameras with our ir lights and when we first started doing this we didn't have any equipment like we

We would just go into these ton of buildings with our cameras and flashlights, and that's all we had. And I think there's definitely, like, some real, like, you can relate to that because anyone can do that, right? You don't need the fancy equipment to experience something scary, but I do think equipment helps enhance the experiences for sure. Now, from my experience, you know, exploring abandoned buildings and structures, I've tend to- Which is considerable. I'm, you know, not as, I'm not professional like you guys, but I did some amateur expirations, but I used to tend to sometimes encounter like squatters of some sorts or people living in the structures. Is that a big issue for you guys when you're going into these places that, you know, probably, you know, regulars having, you know, investigated such a long time and sort of running on someone's settlement of sorts. Oh, yeah. It's definitely. How's dealing with those hermits of, I think, the best way you describe it. Any hermit mitigation strategies you guys might employ.

Taylor, you're kind of our go-to for this. Oh, my gosh. So, I mean, we, the concept of the show up, no one knows is we get an RV, we drive up to a station, and they put us loose, and they put us in this building, and we're there until the sun goes down until the sun goes up. And that's actually what happens. We don't have a producer. Hoda is our executive producer, so we have a producer on site. So we are just in there completely by ourselves. So we went to this one place called Odd Fellows, and we saw someone walking around the outside of the buildings, or Chelsea saw it.

And we all freaked out. We just kind of yelled, hey, get out of here, get out of here. And then as time goes by, we're exploring this building, asking questions, getting creeped out. At the end of our show, what we do is we draw out of a hat and we go to the, we separate and we sleep alone for the rest of the entire night. And this time, this was Alex's location. We didn't have a single flashlight. We're in there in the complete dark. And so all of a sudden, I'm in my spot in the hospital.

And I'm looking at this window. It's a full moon. So, like, it's my only light source. So I'm just kind of staring at it this time. And then all of a sudden it goes black from. right to left and then there's the window again and I'm just like okay so what was that and then all of a sudden it goes black from left to right and there's footsteps that you're hearing and I'm like okay those footsteps sound a little bit too prominent that doesn't sound like you can hear

the gravel crunching underneath boots and I'm just like I don't think this is some weird paranormal thing I actually think like someone is in the building with us and then again the window goes black and I just stand up and I just start yelling like hey get out of here get out of here

like not supposed to be here blah blah blah just cussing up a storm and then all of a sudden I hear just sprinting and running and then a door open and running down the stairs and that's when I'm just like

oh that's I don't know if he's running towards me running away from me I call the guys and we grab all of our kids cameras and from where he was uh running towards there is a stairway that leads to the back entrance the back doors and long story short we then went to one of these conventions where we meet up with some fans and apparently one of them knew who broke in knew the person who broke in that night well can i just say it's totally normal for people to go explore haunted buildings

that's what we did growing up we grabbed our friends we went and explored these crazy buildings and that scared out. But this was one person dressed in black. Like this wasn't like, let's grab your friends and go to this place. That's like someone like came to that location with some intention. And it was by far the scariest night ever. Yeah. Have you guys ever thought about maybe bringing a dog with you? I've heard that dogs get alerted to like paranormal or paranormal things or they can like sense if something's uncomfortable or danger. If you just had a dog that was there to alert you that might be that might be a good addition to the crew that's a great idea Dakota get us a dog maybe a great dog people love dogs too like dogs play on

tv yeah yeah get skip that's what they do well they do well i was about to say you guys do the scooby-do split up thing which everyone's like don't split up why are you guys going daphne and velva and who can who's the last one yeah you guys aren't you're not supposed to split up in those situations, right? Like, I've seen enough horror movies. You go everywhere together. I agree with everything you're saying. I wish you for

long. You're like, don't split up. Is there, uh, is there something that you guys have encountered, um, on the show that you still cannot explain to this day? Definitely. Oh, yeah. Lost.

Yeah, I mean, I think we all can agree that there's a, there's a location called Sweet Spring, sanatorium that we got scared out of. It's the only location we actually left early. And we were like, we were hearing so many voices and noises next to us, not like far away. It's as if someone was standing right in front of us. And we all heard it. We all got affected by it. And I mean, Tanner, you got to the point where me and you went in one last time to just look for like radios and things, like stereo. We thought someone was messing with us. We didn't find anything.

And it's definitely one of those nights. I think none of us will ever forget. Totally. I mean, these buildings for like 12 hours. So there's a lot of times where either nothing happens or some like weird thing will happen. But you can go like, all right, that might be wind this place, man. You know, the door might have closed because that window is completely like shot out or broken or whatnot. And so, you know, you kind of like debunk it a little bit.

But there's been so many times where weird things. happen where you just go, like, I have no idea how to explain it. And then when you get, the weird ones are when you hear like a very loud voice and that's like, okay, we definitely know we are the only ones on this property in this building, in this small room in the back or in the basement. And you get a voice and you just go, okay, like that's getting close to the tipping point. I think it's scariest when we hear like a female voice because I'm the only girl. So like if it's not me, who the heck is it? Yeah. Aryan, I know that you've got questions. My guess

is Arian is a skeptic about most of these things. I love that. How do you too? Yeah, I'm definitely a skeptic, man. Not a believer in the paranormal. I'm more of a, I don't know, I like to see it, to believe it, not even that. I believe in like

the repeatability of, excuse my daughter, she's in the back of me, but I like the repeatability of claims. I guess I don't have any questions on that. front. But I guess when you guys are like scouting locations, like what is, what is the metric you're looking for for a building or a place to go? And like, what are you guys looking for? Yeah. I think, you know, for we each pick throughout the season, we each kind of have a

couple locations that are ours. And we don't tell the others where we're going until we get there. But honestly, like the biggest things for us is size just because we do ultimately separate every night and sleep alone. So we want it to be somewhat, you know, massive. So we're far away. And then just the history is important. There's got to be some sort of tragedy or some sort of a reason to go, okay, I could see why this would be haunted. That's why we honestly end up at a lot of prisons, sanatoriums, asylums, and hospitals. And usually Dakota's one that picks most of the locations. But in a season, we all each get to pick one, usually one at least. And I think that we are more careful what we pick because we only get to pick one.

So I usually go for like a really scary story. It might not necessarily be the biggest, most notable location. But I'm really about like the history and like the spooky story in the what that relates to the building. How about you, Tanner? Now for me, like I like finding a place. So like when we did our documentary, we, afterwards we were going to try to pitch it for a show. And Dakota and Alex came up with this massive like 150 location list. And, like, for me personally, I like trying to find a location that's never been on TV before and also has no one, it's not on our list.

So it, like, comes out of right field. But again, like what everyone's been saying, like, we like finding places that are so masked, but it's, like, almost impossible to hear each other. That's why we bring walkies into these overnights. Like, our biggest location we've ever been into was a million square feet. That's huge. I feel like you guys also, like, north during the way. I was going to say, sorry. Everybody, I was going to follow up with this question.

I guess I do have a question now. Now I was thinking about a little bit. So what would be the reasoning in your guys' opinion for, like, let's say there's a homicide or there's some, like, you know, bad stuff that went on at an asylum or a prison or whatever it gives me? What would be the reasoning that that entity would stay there? and your guy like why would that go so whatever you coined the phrase like why would it stay there why wouldn't it go somewhere else if there is somewhere else like i don't know i'm curious on the

take well like we always like we're all religious so like you know we all believe that you know someone is going to go to heaven someone's going to go to hell but a lot of us we believe that it's like the energy of that horrible accent or horrible incident will stay there and affect you i mean there's a lot of times like that like for example like when we were kids and you turn off the light in the basement and you feel like you need to sprint up the stairs as fast as you can there's so many times where you walk into a building or walk into a room that has some type of weird claim that we don't even know of that you feel that type of like weirdness and awkwardness and that's kind of what we believe is like there's something like that happening at the end of the day we don't know right

It's just one of those things But our show is a little different than most Because we, I don't Basically, we're not professionals at this I know people are like, you guys are well versed in this now But it's like we're still the same dang Fear Chasing Explores But we're at the end of the day

We don't know and I think that not knowing Is what freaks us out So what is it do you think about you guys That makes people like to watch you all get scared I love watching them get scared but I don't know I think it's for everyone yeah like everyone gets scared at some point in their life and it is funny like Chelsea's notorious for jumping out at us and scaring us you know hiding behind a closet door and doing that so it's like it's entertaining I think to see people

get scared yeah you guys I think you guys are like you guys are very very good at being scared that's like an elite skill set that I don't think many people have professional scaredy cats yeah and speaking to what you brought up earlier I do think that like if you're cold it's way easier to be spooky if it's cold right like nobody's ever scared in in like really comfortable weather you can't it's tough to be scared in shorts yeah true it's definitely into some cold locations I think the craziest one we did in the cold was no pemming yeah and it's We went to, like, northern Minnesota in the dead of winter, and I was this close to quitting. I know it was almost fell off.

Inside the building that it was outside, because a pipe burst in the summer, or right before it started to freeze over, so the walls were just completely iced out, like, just, it was just horrible. So anytime we, like, we wanted, like, warm up or take a break, we'd actually step outside in the Minnesota winter. And the porta patty was like a thousand feet away, and I felt like I was walking through a tundra every time. Terrible. Speaking of northern Minnesota, have you guys ever considered the Glensheen Mansion for a... Dude, me and Alex, actually, we, me and Alex used to do some production work, and we were, we worked on a movie in the Glen Sheen Mansion for a couple weeks. So I would, I would love to go back. There was a murder there.

think with like a very interesting story for real crime fans. I forget the civics, but I definitely think that place might be worth getting scared in. Yeah, that'd be awesome. What about the, have you guys done any work at the Fister Hotel in Milwaukee? Are you familiar with it? No.

So it's an old, really creepy hotel in downtown Milwaukee, Wisconsin. And it's notorious because a lot of baseball teams stay there when they're going to play against the Brewers. And a bunch of players in Major League Baseball will no longer stay in this hotel because they've seen ghosts. Yeah, there's like five or six guys that haven't put into their contract

that when they're in Milwaukee, they're not staying at the Fisher Hotel. So it's like commonly known around the league as being a haunted place. I actually, I spent a night there a few years ago and we had people come by with the electromagnetic, whatever kind of like ghost hunting equipment

that you guys want to call it. They said that they heard ghosts in there. I don't know. What do you guys think about the whole the industry of like ghost detection technology? Yeah, I mean, we, so like when we got started the show, we hadn't used gear up until this point.

So what we did is we kind of watched a few of the shows and took a few pieces of equipment from each one. And like, there's definitely a few of the devices that you cannot say scientific fact, but it is very interesting sometimes with what you get. But there are some devices like that

pick up electromagnetic energy, which something we give off, a lot of, and something, a lot of, like, devices give off, too. And whenever those types of equipment, whenever, like, the actual devices that pick up electromagnetic energy go off, that is always a little weird because, like, if you set it on the floor for 10 minutes and it doesn't go off and out of nowhere, it starts to kind of beep and go off, that doesn't make sense at all. And so, I don't know, I definitely, I think we all personally go into it a little skeptical with each piece of equipment.

Yeah. There's stuff we like a little more than others, but it's hard to tell. I'm just a, I'm a big fan of junk science in general. So when somebody is like, this machine finds ghosts, I'm like, you have my attention. Show me how it works. So like going around the room with you guys, who believes in ghosts? Like definitively, do you believe or not believe in the existence of, I guess, spiritual beings that are left over from when people are alive? I would say I do just based on what we experience and I'm very left brain like I challenge

everything I question everything but there's just some things that I simply can't explain so I would say that puts me in the category of I believe in ghosts I'm in boat as Chelsea like I definitely with all the stuff that's happened it's really hard to say that we don't I personally believe more in like evil and demons stuff like that i believe that stuff walks around with us all the time so like when there are some messed up stuff or any of us yeah i just i don't know it's hard to explain but like i definitely believe in like the demons and all that stuff with them do you do you believe in that some areas are like portals to different dimensions in the universe and there's beings that like travel between the two

good question really thank you honestly like we are so not professionals at this like that's something i can definitely say i have no idea like we've heard about it we've gone to locations and people have told us like that room's a portal never seen it firsthand to be honest uh i so that for that i could say probably i don't know if we believe in that but uh sounds pretty cool though like the sanatoriums with the amount of death that happens there just like happens to like rip a rip a hole in the you know i mean it sounds and It sounds like something I'd very much like to believe in. I didn't even know it exists until like 30 seconds ago.

But now I'm all in. I want to go find one of these places. A lot of cryptids might like travel through there too. Just something to think about. Yeah. So what do you guys have planned for next season? I know that you're continuing on to this show. It's been a success.

So like are there any bucket list places that you guys want to go to? Yeah. I mean, we don't know. we don't necessarily know yet if we're going to be doing another season we're hoping for the best but i know we all i'll say this one we want to go to europe really bad uh because we got a taste of it we went to ireland last season and uh i just think just from going to ireland there's so much more history it was just so much creepier and i think we all want to do a full-on international or european trip those ghosts are way older they are way like like these

American ghosts, what, 1800s, 1700s earlier? Yeah, they're barely even adults. They got like 1,200s like three digit year ghosts. Yeah, old school. I, you should go to. And there's freaking castles. Yeah. Yeah.

The buildings are old. You should go to, uh, to Scotland and go to, um, go up to Edinburgh and see the catacombs and the underground city they have there. If you think that Paris is creepy in the catacombs with like all the skulls and bones there, the ones in Scotland. are 10 times scarier, I think, than the ones in Paris. Okay. Get some good ghosts up there.

That would be a cool place to go check out. Yeah, I highly recommend it. I really want to go to Broms Castle in Romania, Dracula's Castle. Oh, yeah. Vlad Dean Taylor. So much fun. I mean, an actual dungeon, a horrible, like, person that lived in that place, just being a tyrant. And I don't know, that would just be, like, the coolest thing of all time, I think.

The salt mines? It doesn't even sound real. Was it, Billy? Well, didn't he have, like, salt mines that he used to, like, put people in there? Yeah, he would do that. And also, he would, to, like, warn off all the people that are coming out from, he would chop their heads off or chop their heads off or actually fully impale them and just put it out in the castle to scare, like, all the people that are coming out from.

Vlad. Maybe we don't go. on that one. Yeah, let's stay not, let's not do that. Oh, come on. It's creepy. They're not still there. Yeah, exactly. Just the spirits. Yeah. Those are the ones

that you guys want to talk to anyway. So, all right, what's the best part of this season? That's out right now that you can watch again. It's called Destination Fear and it's on Fridays at 9 p.m. It's on the travel channel and you can stream it on Discovery Plus as well.

What's the best moment from this season that you guys did. I'll say one quick one. I think because the last two seasons we shot during COVID, so there was a lot of just limited traveling we could do, limited fun stuff. So this season was the first one in a minute where we've actually, the entire road trip was about a month and a half. And we had so many fun, cool pit stops that we got to do between the scary stuff. So it's kind of, I'd say this season more than ever has like a real roller coaster effect of like fun to really scary. All right.

Anybody else have like one moment that stood out to you? I just think the location, the very last one we did, Norwich Hospital, it's like iconic hospital in U.S. And so many like, like what we'd call experimental procedures happen there. And it was just like the whole night was just a crazy night. And so I would say that's like my favorite episode. How about you, Tanner? I think the moment that you guys were asked about,

there's one moment that just our last episode, we were in Crescent Sanatorium and Prison. And we had this, for me personally, I was in the base, or not in the basement, but in this tunnel system of this whole entire location. That has 22 buildings, this tunnel system connects all of them. And there's said to be some type of spirit that uses that tunnel system to go to all the buildings.

And I was in the basement, and when we got, I got freaked out, I heard some things, and I got, I just got out of there. I was too freaked out. But Dakota edits our show. And when he was editing it, he brought me into the editing room. And he goes, dude, right when you were saying, like, you don't feel good that you felt like something is near you, like all of a sudden, all your audio starts, like, cutting out. And when you hear that noise, you go deeper into the tunnel, the audio just completely is gone. And then when you get nervous and you wanted to head on out of the building and just wait outside until the night's over, as you like start walking up the stairs and cross the threshold from inside to outside, your audio comes back just like that.

And that's one of those things like where, you know, we all know cameras. We're looking at our wavelengths. We can see that it's happening. But for one reason or another, it's that's what happened to us. Yeah. That sounds pretty intense. And it wasn't like we're using wav mics either. So there's no like recorder.

There's no, it's an internal microphone. So it doesn't make any sense. The microphone is a part of the camera. So it was one, we've never had that happen before. And you can see in the last episode, it's terrifying. What about you, Alex?

What's, what's been one of your moments this season? I think when we went to Chelsea's location, the Winchester Mystery House in California, she had us all separate and kind of just wander the entire house. And if you're familiar, it's basically a maze within the house. But I had to go into the basement alone. And while I was sitting down there, I don't know what it was,

but something charged right at me. I could hear the footsteps on the concrete floor. And yeah, I think that's like the loudest I've ever screamed in my life. And I'm not proud to say that. but you know it happens yeah but that was one of those defining moments for me of this season wow it sounds terrifying i don't i don't know how you guys do because i don't like being scared being scared i've never understood people that like are really into creeping themselves out because that's i don't know like being scared is a natural reaction to stay away from something

that you don't want to have happened to in the first place so i don't i don't know how you guys do it but but good for you yeah we really when you're walking in a weird building in a dark spot and you know you just don't know what it is around the corner or when you're going to get scared because again like I said before like we're in this building for 12 hours

and you know there's like 10 hours where like nothing happens in the slightest and it is dead quiet and you're just sitting there twiddling your thumbs like I'm starting to get a little bored here And also some day cloud Some weird thing happens And it just scares the living crap out of you

All right well last question for me And then we'll let you guys go But just amongst yourselves Who is the scaredest person in the group Who's the one that you guys always have to Like encourage to stick around Chelsea I will admit it

Probably me too That just means I have more battles to pace Than you guys So why is that fun for you to be so scared all the time? So a couple things. One, I like, just like watching scary movies, I love scary movies.

And during the scary movie, sometimes I hate it. I'm freaked out and I'm like done with scary movies. But like a day later, I'm like right back to that thrill-seeking. I want to watch scary movies. So I would relate it to that kind of fear. I don't like being scared, to be honest with you,

but I really like seeing the guy scared. So that kind of gets me through. Got it I guess that's a fair answer You like seeing other people scared And it's just something that you have to tolerate In order to get to Yes

Exactly Gotcha All right Well check them out Yeah go ahead Sorry You've been through a lot It's true

It's true I didn't think I could do this To be honest with you I almost quit season one Episode one Like legit Right off to start Right off right out the gates

But I'm not a quitter So here we are All right Love it we can check it out right now. It's the air Fridays at 9 p.m. And you can see them on Discovery Plus streaming afterwards. So again, it's

Destination Fear. Travel Channel 9 p.m. and check them out on Discovery Plus as well. So Dakota, Chelsea, Tanner. Alex, thank you guys for joining us. We appreciate it. Good luck, guys. Thank you for having us on here. Good luck with the European trip and get a dog.

A dog would be awesome on this show. Let's get a dog. All right. See you guys. Bye, guys. Thank you. Have a going.