Macrodosing: Arian Foster and PFT Commenter - National Forest Disappearances

Episode Date: September 28, 2021

On today's episode of Macrodosing, the crew gets into a heated debate on the Tennessee Minute, talks with Macrodosing Athlete Tyler Baron, and discusses the plethora of disappearances that have happened at National Parks. With a WIDE variety of topics on today's show to unpack, it's time to sit back, relax, and enjoy. Make sure to subscribe and to tune into NANODOSING, airing every Thursday 7AM EST.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/macrodosing

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Get 5% off your order. Okay, let's get to the Tennessee Minute. We've got Arian and Big Tea ready to duke it out. The one-stop shop for all the hottest takes regarding Tennessee volunteer football. Two experts on the mic. Aaron, did you watch the game? Did not. Okay. What do you think about Tennessee football, having not watched the game?

I'm pretty sure they're in the same boat as last time we talked about them. Not very good. But, oh, they play in Florida, right? This is the third week of the, yeah, they put Florida, right? Yep. They lost, didn't it? They did lose, yeah. Yeah, I thought that was going to be the case.

Yeah, I mean, played pretty well for a half, though. What was the final score? We lost 38 to 14, but it was 17, 14 at halftime. We were, and it was 2414 in the third quarter. We had a fourth and five and plus territory. Drew up a perfect play. Jimmy Calloway dropped it. He had 30 yards of open field in front of him.

That was our last chance. But we hung in there for a while. It was a lot of poor execution, but the coaching, I thought, was pretty good. So we can still, we got Missouri this. week big game big game in Columbia we get that we're back on track so what are they two and two and two one and two and two yeah still still fighting when you say back on track back on track for what exactly I I would love to get to seven wins this year I think that I think six should be the realistic goal get to a bowl game uh-huh that'd be a good that'd be a good

first year are they doing the thing where like everybody's bowl eligible again this year No. Okay. No. What bowl game do you want to go to? Have you got a couple? The BFo Brady's? I mean, at six, your options are pretty limited. Yeah. The Tire Bowl, there's always like three different tire companies. The Liberty Bowl has wanted Tennessee forever. Yeah, Minington Car Care. Yeah, cool.

The Liberty Bowl has won in Tennessee forever. No, they try to get Tennessee every season because they know U.T. fans will go to Memphis and buy tickets. They got they got five win or three win Tennessee. last year and then we backed out because we had COVID. Three win Tennessee. Yeah. So they finally landed you guys last year. Yeah.

And then we didn't go. Shout out to the Liberty Bowl, you know? Yeah. It's like high standards. Yeah. Listen, Liberty Bowl, they knew what they wanted. They've got a type. The Liberty Bowl does.

And she wears orange. And it just so happened that she's a captain of the cheerleading team. And she kept saying no to us until she like sprained her neck in an accident and then had to go around wearing one of those cones around her head. And her stock was low enough to the point where she would finally say yes and go to the homecoming dance with Tennessee. And then we still didn't go. And then the dance got canceled.

Yeah. So Liberty Bowl, Birmingham Bowl, something like that. Just get me to a bowl game. Let's beat Missouri. We'll be fun. Okay. What is in Missouri right now? They are also two and two.

They're a three-point favorite at home. Yikes. All right. Well, Tennessee, they win this game. They're back on track for the Liberty Bowl. Correct. That's what we're shooting for. What if they played at the Arizona Bowl?

It's not contractually possible, but it would be awesome. Okay. Why is it not contractually possible? It's the Mac against the Mountain West. Yeah, I forgot about that. Okay. It would be awesome. Would be sick.

Okay, well, we're hoping for the Liberty Bowl, and that's the Tennessee Minute. Good breakdown. Also, Tyler Barron had two tackles. That's what's really important. Tyler Barron showed up again, two tackles. No sacks, but still played well. stop going up stop going up

watch out I don't know if we're going to be able to afford an Instagram story from this guy like give him two more weeks he's going to relegate us to like Snapchat damn we're going to be on his snap we're going to be on his snap we're going to be on his yik yak

what else is there Billy what are the other peach parlor parlor we're going to be yeah how much for a if he has if he has a parlor if he has a parlor I would like to formally withdraw my submission

to sponsor him what if he's on parlor trying to fight in the good fight he's just deep in it you know trying to dissenting I don't care why you're on parlor he's like trying to convince the Q and honors it still be very very funny though if

in the interest of just generating as much money for himself as possible he signed up for every single social media platform and had like a menu ready to pick out okay it's 500 bucks for a parlor shout-out. I'll reply to a Rudy Giuliani post on Parlor for $250, and I'll usually be in the top five responses,

so you'll get a lot of engagement there. Big T, you on Parlor? I'm not. Did you think about getting an account? If Twitter keeps going down the road, it's going, I might look into it. It's very sexy. I mean, listen.

Listen, they're not going to stop. They're just going to keep, you know, doing their thing. They're going to keep banning people that say dove shit. agree you you think that's a good idea yes no that's that's that's that's that's so so that's it's that's not how it starts this is what you seem is dumb shit demonstrably harmful shit demonstrably harmful harmful what is considered harmful because now we're anything anything well you got to draw the line and Twitter draws a line so you have to be able to

demonstrably show that this can cause harm or be discriminatory in nature. We have discriminatory laws that went through the Supreme Court. So it's like this is not that even, it's not even that controversial at all, actually.

It's just that it's just that, you know, usually right wing people, they're not used to getting pushed back and now they're getting pushed back and now it's a freedom thing. Well, it's always going to be a line somewhere. you're on Twitter, you have to understand that there will be a lot. It's not ever going to be totally free speech because you can't get on Twitter and be like, hey, I'm going to kill the

president of the United States. Well, so when we're talking about demonstrably harmful shit, Kathy Griffin posting a picture with the severed head of a sitting president. Is that demonstrably harmful? No. Okay. Then this is insane. Yeah. How's that? How's that insane? No, I got a side with Big T there. Like, you can, you can, if you Google on Twitter, like violent stuff, about Donald Trump is ridiculous. I was offended just because I think that Kathy Griffin sucks. It had nothing to do with the content. I just think that she sucks.

Explain to me how a severed head in an obvious parody about Donald Trump is... An obvious parody. Well, if we're having a discussion about subjective things that are harmful, I would say that's a pretty overt. This is what it is. I think people from your background, totally take out historical context in the societal norms. Like you just take out the context of everything.

It's like you can't judge A for A and B for B. When you're talking about a diverse society with multiple variables and moving parts, you have to take in societal. It's just like if Big T, I was to call you a cracker, it doesn't have the same rings if you was to call me a nigger. Why? Because there's historical context behind that that matters.

Sure. So what's the historical context of posting the severed head of a sitting president? You have to explain to me why it's harmful. I think I'm in favor of letting anybody do whatever the fuck they want and let people draw their own conclusions on what's harmful and what's not. I don't want subjective lines drawn by the people making the rules. Could you, can you right now go into a movie theater and start screaming fire? That's such a bad example. We're talking about. Why? Because that is putting people in danger. No, but that's not the same as a political.

What the sitting president was doing on January 6th wasn't. That's not the same thing as expressing a political opinion on a platform that is now so critical to having your voice heard that I would argue, it's almost. Who's getting deep platform for just having a, like genuinely just having an opinion, not trying to kill thousands? Uh, Alex Jones. Brough, we literally had a podcast of Alex Jones. No, he's crazy. He said, but this is why the shit that you say. And if you're, if you're, if you're, if you're, uh, advocating for, like, medicine, that's

unproven, if you're advocating for stuff that can harm people, like, you can't have that. Like, it's, you can't have that. Like, or else, like, the opposite is in the world that you want to live in is, it's, it's just a free reign. And then, and this is how you, you, um, well, I think, I think, I think there's, there's two sides of the coin, right? Censoring, quote, unquote, censoring people will absolutely embolden people to feel like they're being oppressed, right, with free speech. But if you don't draw the line anywhere, then you're going to just have congregations to people that just are doing evil shit online, which is why they regulate the internet in the first place. So you don't think there

should be any regulations for the internet at all? I mean, you shouldn't be able to go on the internet and say things like if you're talking about saying, I'm going to go, kill somebody. I'm going to do this, that. You shouldn't be able to threaten people. I'm talking in terms of political opinions. I think the real solution to it. Oh, Billy got a solution. Talk to me, Billy. One, you have to ensure that everyone's accountable for what they say online by basically not allowing any more anonymous accounts. Like, everyone has, like, words have to be put to someone's name. I don't like that. How do you make? How do you, how do you have? You know, I know you don't like that.

How do you have, how do you, how do you, how do you make sure there's no anonymous accounts? How could you even? Some sort of regulation of the internet, but then from there. Do what you have to do when you make. You have like, someone else will figure that. No, no. But hypothetically, let's say everyone has, um, maybe some blockchain connected to their internet presence. If you have any sort of almost like a social security number, if you're going to create an account on anywhere.

you have to put in that number that sort of puts me hold you accountable for what you say and then from there you can say whatever you want i like that's how that's how like the world works everyone has an identification card so like you know if you go start yelling about whatever in the middle of the town square everyone's going to be like oh that's uh and then it'll make it less scary because then people who say those crazy things will be you know seen as the village you know But then you walk a fine line of like doxing people. I don't think you should dox people. Well, I mean, you can know their presence online like is not exactly doxable.

Doxing is such a new phenomenon. Like we used to get a phone book delivered to your front door with everyone's name, address and phone number. And you had to pay them if you didn't want to be in that shit. Like this idea that doxing some great crime is. such a new phenomenon that I find so fascinating. It's just that people are so much, like, more scared of people on the internet for some you're terrified to be.

Yeah, exactly. Like, for the record, I'm not an advocate of what Kathy Griffin did. I think it was corny. I didn't even laugh at the shit, right? But I think there's a very real threat when people are pushing narratives, uh, that are discriminatory in nature versus a parody. Like, if you really think big T, like Kathy Griffin wants to behead Donald Trump, like you think no and I think she should be allowed to tweet that if she wants to just as I think anybody

else who wants to espouse an idea that you might find to be abhorrent and whatever I think anybody should be able to say what they think well as long as it is not if we are talking about threatening someone with actual I'm going to come to your house and kill you no you should not be allowed to do all right in the case of Alex Jones in particular if he's out there saying like hey these kids at Sandy Hook did not actually die they were crisis factors. That is an abhorrent thing to say. No, no, I get it. I get it. But what I'm saying is, like, and he did recant that after he got all the push back and lost. And he got sued and lost. He got sued and lost. But at the time, he was very much saying, hey, this didn't happen. Look at all

these conflicting news reports. Look at the parents pretending to be sad. There weren't any kids that were found. This was a fake sciop set up by the government, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. When you're saying things that are that inflammatory and pointed and broadcasting them to an audience, certainly believing every word that you say, if you were to believe that the government is pretending to kill kids in order to personally come confiscate your weapons, wouldn't that also imply that, like, you should do something about it if you actually believe that? No, I don't, I don't think that's true. He was saying we need to do something. He was literally saying we need to do something about it, stand up. We can take things that are like very clearly, like, so

far beyond what a reasonable person would find acceptable. I'm not willing. There are millions of people that used to be reasonable. You know what's interesting about that? Hang on. Hang on. Let me finish real quick. I'm not willing to be the person to draw a line and say, this is what is acceptable discourse in society and this is what is not. And I think the Overton window has shrunk to a point that now there are things that I find to be perfectly reasonable that you you just aren't allowed to express on a social media site. On a podcast, do whatever now. Yeah, go off.

You know what? Big T's problematic corner. You know what's interesting? Oh, I like this. Yeah. Hold on. Let them cook. Let them cook.

Let them cook. No, that's all I had to say. No, it's safe space for you. Safe space. I'm not going to be the one. I don't want to be the person who is deciding what is and is not okay. And I don't think the people run. I don't think Jack Dorsey should be that person either.

Okay. Why do you stop at the internet though? why why not societal laws like why did why like what anything i mean abortion we we uh we regulate abortion we regulate uh like first degree secondary third degree murder like we have we have all of these uh we have agreed as a society it is not okay to kill people this is where we're at this is a baby this is in infancy internet and is in it is in its infancy and what we're starting to see is there are things on the internet that can be said that can be viewed as harmful and can

as has to some people. We do not all agree. We all agree. You cannot kill someone. That's not true. We don't agree on that. It will kill people every day. Clearly, there is not an agreement.

But they understand. They understand their consequences to those actions. I don't think. Self-defense, capital punishment. We do not agree on murder at all. We do not agree on taking human life at all. If you have a drone that does it, you can do that too.

100% if you have a tiny flying robot and you press a button, that's technically the robot killing you. If you really believe that we didn't think that murder was okay, no matter the human life, then we wouldn't have a euphemism called a casualty of war, right? We would hold those people accountable that sent those drone strikes or sent those bombs that killed innocent bystanders. We would hold whoever pushed the button,

whoever orchestrated that should be held accountable. If you agreed that human life was as valuable, as you say you do that's not what i said now what did you say i said we agree that if you kill somebody there we we have a set consequence to that action we we don't big team we like like who is we done is there a consequence to casualties of war so i'll do it improperly yes last week i think it was last week in iran there were 10 people there are women and children that got killed in a drone strike what happens has anybody

been arrested for that I what are we talking about I don't know what no no keep the main thing the main thing player do a lot of compensation you said we have here's a gift certificate

you said that we agree on taking human life right I'm just giving you an example like a casualty of war where we take human life that should not have been tucking I said we agree in the United States if you kill someone

unjustly that there are consequences to that. That's not the same as long as this niggas way overseas. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You've twisted this. You've taken this and done a, done a squeeze with it. If we, there are far fewer people who agree that, like, if you say something, I'm trying to think of what an opinion would be that I think you would say, yeah, you shouldn't be allowed to say that, that I think a lot of people would, would agree with. But that there is just no I don't I don't think people running

social media sites that are supposed to act they want to be treated as platforms and they're acting as publishers but aren't aren't you a libertarian? You're a libertarian, are you not? In some respects.

Well, correct me if I'm wrong, but the libertarian take is the free market should set its own value, right? Twitter can do whatever at one. And if there is, and if it starts to do it to enough people that it becomes an issue, you will have things like parlor and then maybe one of those will overtake it. I don't think it's the right thing to do. But I think what you're, the point you're missing, and I could be wrong with Big T, but I think the point you're missing is that the free market is saying the majority, an overwhelming majority and the overwhelming majority of the CEOs that run social media platforms are saying there are certain amounts of speech that the people are not okay with.

that is the free market at work i don't think that's accurate i think there is a very vocal minority that things that i mean what percentage of the u.s is on twitter like two three like very yeah very small yeah maybe facebook is facebook is facebook is way bigger facebook i would say yes so what are people running these tech companies are a very intellectually homogenous group of people that i don't think that they are i think that i think that i don't think The most part, I think Jack Dorsey is like an ultra-libertarian. I don't think that at all. Jack Dorsey is not a liberal.

Jack Dorsey is at all. But I don't think he even... Some people think because he bans certain conservative people, they're like, oh, he must be a liberal. Jack Dorsey is not a liberal guy. I agree. Jack Dorsey is a... What's up?

I don't think he has the... I think he gets more pressure from in-house on all those issues. Because I think he was quoted on saying that he might want... want to make two Twitters. One's like the Wild West, like what Twitter he wanted to be, like total libertarian, say whatever you want, then one, like, censored Twitter. Yeah. So he's afraid of lawsuits is a thing.

Like, at the time you get your company to a certain size and you have people practicing free speech to the fullest extent of their speech, you're going to open yourself up for lawsuits because you're big. And if you're not moderating anything, then guess what? You can be held liable. If somebody does get on your platform and says, hey, everybody, let's show up to Newtown, Connecticut at 9 a.m. tomorrow morning and let's bring her guns and then something happens you can that's already a crime i know but no no no no no big t i agree but i'm saying that if somebody were to do that

then twitter would open themselves up to lawsuits and people would sue them if something bad happened because it's like hey you have this massive platform you knew that they were using it to organize a big rally why didn't you do anything to shut it down and i don't think any courts would our juries for that part, we would listen to, well, it was their right to say free speech on our website. So that's why we didn't stop this riot from happening. Well, they, they open, Aaron, back to what you said to the, the libertarian thing. If Twitter wants to act as a publisher and choose what content goes on its side and what does not, then it opens itself up to lawsuits for things like that. If it wants to act as a platform and say, we're not responsible for what other people say, that's totally fine. But they would get, they are

get sued out their asshole if they just said we're a platform. If they didn't moderate anything and they were as big as they are right now, they would not be company anymore because of all the lawsuits that would come. Well, that's fine. But if you're choosing what goes on your website and what doesn't, then you are responsible for what's set on there. No, that's why they regulate it.

And that's fine if they want to do that. But then you know what's, you know what's? Hold on. Oh, big see. I think, I think the bigger point is I think you think all these tech company dudes are like super. liberal in the hell of left. They're not. They're capitalists. They're free market capitalists. And what they do is protect the bottom dollar. If a bunch of people on their platform don't want a certain kind of speech, they're going to acquiesce to that. Society is skewing right now a little bit

left. And that's just, that's the world you live in. You live in a world like where the only way conservatives can win elections is if they gerrymandered it and they, and they vote or suppress. That's the only way because the majority of people in America. That's not true. That's okay. Look at look at the map, look at the voting map. Look at, look at every single state. Democrats change districts when they're in power and it's time to redraw them too. I agree a thousand percent. This is not, this is not an indictment on just conservatives with gerrymandering. In, in practice, harms a democratic, I want to say, yeah, sure, democracy, but Democratic voters more so than it does conservative because where it's more prevalent is in tight-knit cities in close quarters,

right? And so you draw those lines and that's where the majority of voters on the Democratic side are because they tend to be in more cities. It's the rural areas where they're not, where they're not as gerrymandered. They're very blocky out there, right? But the issue is the majority, you wouldn't agree that the majority of country leans left? You wouldn't agree with that? No. That's interesting. I think, and I think it's often Democrats who want a popular vote for president. Why is that? I think what you would see is if there was a popular vote,

there are a ton of people who live in New York, California, places like that, who are relatively conservative, who don't vote because it doesn't matter, who would vote and it would be just as even as it is when it's not. When's the last, when's the last popular vote Republicans were? 2004. It's almost 20 years, my G.

2004 yeah that's right it was a bush carry right yeah yeah it's almost 20 years and then before that al war won the popular vote and then Clinton won then he embedded the internet and yeah and and and bush and oh four was like when uh coach on the hot seat drafts a rookie quarterback like you can't fire him year one like you got to give him a cut like he had started he just started that war we couldn't get rid of that guy mid war that's that's actually like a good way to look at it like in retrospect that's exactly what happened exactly what he was fucking up his rookie season but it's like hey listen you're going to fuck it up worse if you get a new coordinator in his year and have him relearn a different offense in year two like that's a recipe for disaster

long term so it's a good thing that we got that straightened out and maintain consistency and the best way to do this would be like to regulate the internet would have just like you do with regular laws just have like a panel right a like a supreme court internet panel that can regulate and take these cases because this is a totally new and have them be young too all these 80 old motherfuckers they cannot be in on this but it's like I have like a panel of we just clone billy like eight billies and we have them vote on certainty on these issues like it's like precogs it's going away what is that like the precogs from minority report have you seen that movie oh shit yeah that shit was fine yeah we just get six billies floating in a in a tank

a salt water with their brains hooked up to electrodes. I actually think society would be a much better place. It's that meme like society if all the laws were controlled by Billy while he was hallucinating. I'm actually quite, you know, I feel honored that you guys think I'd be, eight of me would be able to be the good arbiter of the internet. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I don't think that.

The in cells would be running the show. Oh, shut up. They'd put the pressure to Billy and they'd be running the show. in hours. I think you're pretty unbiased, Billy. I think you're pretty unbiased. I appreciate that. He is, but pre-cog Billy would also be,

like, he would be an insol. I would not give it to the insol. No, pre-cog Billy would be an insult because you'd be trapped in a fucking... I think he'd be voluntary. He'd be a volse. Yeah, it'd be volse. Also, which is what we call Big T. Good one.

The precog monastery, you got to, you got to commit to this life of celibacy. Yeah, what kind of pill is that that you take? take if you're a volso is that like the the green pill it's a beige pill it's an IPA yeah you chug the ipa you grow tits yeah it just be billy with tits six billies it with tits inside a tank of salt water you know what is interesting going back to alex jones sandy hook and all that misinformation So I played Newtown Sandy Hook in a bunch of modified sports growing up. So like I knew before it all happened, I knew it was a real town in a real place. And I was talking to a bartender the other day who's from the area.

And, you know, we were talking about all this stuff. And I was with someone from out of town. And when the bartender was like, oh, I grew up in Newtown, the person from out of town was like, oh, my God. Like Newtown, because that's the only reason they know the place. And we got talking to him and I know this is, you know, he said, she said, but he said that most of the people who would come to Sandy Hook to Newtown to investigate and sort of like thought it was a fake town and thought the whole thing was fake were mostly people from outside of the Northeast who couldn't conceptualize a town that they've never heard

before and because you could manipulate. And honestly, I was thinking about it, you know these theories about how like, you know, Australia doesn't exist Finland doesn't exist Well that same thought process Is what caused a lot of these people to actually believe that the town's fake It was crisis actors Because they just when you're so far abstractly removed from it

You can't conceptualize And that's probably one of the biggest problems with the internet Is you can't conceptualize the fact that there was a town there It was real those were people's kids Because they were too far removed from it Yeah the best thing that the internet has really shown us

is that people's confirmation bias is like a hell of the thing and people love to think that they're smart that they are in on something that everybody else is dumb about that they have like the master knowledge to the universe

that everyone else is too dumb to see whether it's like yeah Australia doesn't exist the Finland thing is hilarious the Finland's just like it's because of Japanese fishing rights or something like that it's just a giant body of water

yeah that's a great theory But it's just people that want to, they get off on thinking that they know something that nobody else knows. And it usually comes from just being very dissatisfied with their personal lives and unfulfilled. And there's a giant holder that they fill with hatred towards the outside world. And then they use that that knowledge that they think that they have as another reason to reinforce themselves to be like, I'm better than all these people. And one thing I've noticed recently is, well, here's the thing. We need to teach classes in terms of, obviously, internet literacy, but more importantly, in how to recognize confirmation bias in yourself. Because it's tough sometimes.

I saw that article that got sent around a couple weeks ago, it was like people, the emergency rooms in Oklahoma are unable to treat like stab wound victims and gunshot victims because they're dealing with people that have. like overdose on ivermectin or the the very good scabies medicine for scabies um and it was like it was going around like crack and all the libs were retweeting and being like see what we've done to america like this is so sad and i recognize because like obviously i do believe that you should get vaccinated that's probably the best way to that we know of right now to beat this virus but lib dark yeah but when i saw it i was like this this seems like crack like this seems like something that you would get a liberal lab rat addicted to in a maze and like when you're teaching it not to touch the electric thing to get shocked. And it like almost fit my confirmation bias too

strongly. And then I had to dig around for like five minutes eventually found that the story was total bullshit. But it did have like 5,000, 6,000, 7,000 retweets on it at the time. And, but I'm sure nine times out of 10 when I see a story that I already agree with, if I don't, you know, go the extra amount to look into it, I'll just believe it because it makes me feel good. And that's a very tough thing to try to teach people. Like if you're just, if you're like a teenager right now and you're getting, you know, you're mainlining the internet for the first time, like the pure uncut, unfiltered internet that you weren't allowed to have, you know, from your parents, how are you going to know what's real and what's not real? You're probably just going to believe

the stuff that already fits into your preconceived world mindset. I mean, this is probably one of the most recent examples of that was when everyone was talking about the Wuhan Lab League hypothesis because it came out people were saying it in November, December of 2019 like on Twitter and there was tons of misinformation on the whole thing like you guys remember seeing those videos of people like just passing out like in China and like they're all wearing masks and people just falling down in random videos

and like people are dying on the street and there was so much misinformation because of that And then fast forward, if you'd mentioned that to someone during the pandemic, like, oh, like, I think it came from a lab in China. They would have looked at you like you just, like, said that, you know, JFK, uh, JFK juniors, you know, doing the QAnon stuff, like the exact same craziness level. But now it's coming out. Like, yeah, you know, there is. Wait, wait, wait, wait, that was one of the weasel words. That was one of the weasel words coming out.

It just came out that. It just came out. Yeah, they're saying that. Study show. Study show. It's more, it's now more accepted. Correct. I agree that like there's, we don't know where it came from.

But Billy's right. And that was censored. That was being censored off Twitter. Billy's right there for a while you weren't allowed to say it. But that's not, that's not. It's okay. Right. And that's what I'm saying.

And so the issue is we live in this 24 hour news cycle to where you have to fill your time with something as a news outlet, right? And so let's say we have information that could be harmful. Like, say that the Wuhan, I have done no research, I have no idea about that, right? We should actually do an episode on that, but actually be an interesting episode. But, or you know it's a better example, the mask shit, right? The whole mass shit and how, like, now conservatives are like, Dr. Fauci is a liar and yada, yada, yada. When you listen to his reasons as to why he said what he said, when he said it, he was working with the best available information that he had at the time.

And then that information changed. And so did his opinion. and so did it is recommendations, right? And they view that as all you're flip-flopping or you're lying. But it's not the case. Your opinion should go with whatever the results of the information that you see is. And it should not be opposite. The issue is we, if somebody says something, that's their word, that's that final word,

especially researchers who are actually working on this, especially a frontline disease, like something like COVID, right? This just fucking came out. So the issue is we should be more apt to saying, I have no fucking clue. I don't know. So wait, wait. I want to go back to one thing. you said when they were talking about-

Oh shit. I said Fouchy. This nigga. No, no, no, no. This nigga came in his Tennessee drugs. It's before that. When Billy was talking about if you said back in March, April, May, June, whenever that COVID came

from the lab, the coronavirus lab where it started, whoever could have guessed that, that was being censored on Twitter. That was being taken off. People were being, if we want to use the word, D platform for saying that. Now that's a pretty accepted scientific theory at this point that a lot of people think that could have happened so when you said

you just you said that's okay what did you mean when you said that's okay it's okay to to censor people's saying that earlier and then just go back on it or yeah yeah it is okay see i that's because there's a there's a difference between like investigative journalism and like people spread in information there's a very big difference and so like if if you have something that could be deemed as harmful, right? It could be. And this is why I brought up the mask. Why is that harmful? You know what? You know what? I don't know.

They had their reasons. If they gauge it, and this is the same, I'm saying, I'm saying it's okay for them to gauge it. There's just, there's no, I'm not, I'm not saying I agree with the fact that they, they have this power. It just is what it is. There's, we're out trusting in the church of Twitter at this point. There's nothing. No, I mean, there's no. There's no. There's no. Big T. There's no. Big T. There's no. There's no. There's no fucking, there's no life-saving shit going on on fucking Twitter by G. I think that's the issue is like, I think that I'm

being censored. Like, no, there's fucking censoring you, don't they're saying. They literally were. This is okay to say. This is not okay to say. This is the platform that you agreed to come upon. Like, I just don't understand how is that a bad thing? How is that a bad thing that if somebody that has

a platform with millions of people on it says this could be harmful at the time, according to us and according to what the experts are saying, so for now, let's suppress the what we deem is misinformation until we get more information so when we get more information that's that's reasonable so i think we just got i think we just got to the very crux of it and this is the last i'll say on it when you said why if if we've deemed this to be harmful because i think it's getting to a point that what the people in charge deemed to be harmful

is very disputable at best and it can give me give me give me something my gee give me something That's what we've been dancing around. We've been dancing around Big T's most problematic takes. This has been wanting to say, but he's afraid that. So just say it. Let's answer this, my jeep. Answer this. Give me something that has, that a tech platform has, has sensed, that censored that, that, that goes against an expert, like a consensus of expert's opinion on something.

Not everything needs to be against a sense, a consensus of experts. Bullshit. What do you talk? Bullshit. Like, we're talking in terms of politics. There are no, like, groups of experts that's not, they're not facts. Like, we're talking about political opinions. Or, what?

I said, like what? I don't know. I didn't come with. About not wanting people to immediately just blame China and the Chinese when they were censoring those, when people were just firing off the hip, not knowing. One of the biggest movements of 2020 was stop Asian hate. Asians were getting beaten on the streets of America. especially San Francisco, which already has a huge Asian population and where a lot of these tech

companies are located. That's why. Because there were no facts or basis at that point in time, which is what Arrian was talking about with the mask and the no mask. It's about what we know and what we can prove at a point in time. You don't always have to jump the gun with shit. You don't have to jump the gun with like, oh, it was clearly Wuhan who did this as a biological weapon.

No one knows. Still, we don't know. I think we just made a very big leap. What are you talking? How is that illegal? I don't think those are as correlated as you think they are. That's how it works. That's exactly how it works.

I think I think that's a bigger problem is you don't think that we live, you think we live in a post-racist society. I think that's what you think. No, no, no, no. Do not put things like that in my life. Then how is that a jump? Then how is that it not a job? You had the sitting president of the United States saying the China flu.

That's fucking racist, my jeep. That can be racist. That doesn't mean that we. need to be I just don't if I think the bigger problem is that six months later that is an accepted opinion espoused by scientists and six months ago you didn't hear anything we said you know I did I did we're saying we're saying we're saying we're saying jumping the gun and and and and putting forth ideologies that we don't have evidence for is irresponsible Even though you may have a hunch and it's correct, bro, it's still irresponsible because

if it turns out not to be true, you can't take that back. Let me give you an example. If in what was it like the 1999 NFL draft, the Falcons select Michael Vick, and I'm like, that motherfucker's going to get arrested for dogfighting, that would be, that would be racist. That would be a bad take at the time. Because he happened to get arrested for dog fighting. and it actually happened years after the fact, and it came out more facts came like when I had no idea.

I was just playing a hunch. I was like, you know what? That guy, we have, feels like a dogfighter me. Let's go with an unknown. In the early 90s, Skip Bayliss wrote a book about the Dallas Cowboys where he called Troy Aikman Gay. That's wildly irresponsible when you don't know.

You just don't like the guy the way he looks. I still don't know Troy Akeman's sexual preference. He's never come out and said anything. about it, nor should he have to, but it's wildly irresponsible to just be like, oh, yeah, that guy, that guy loves guys, especially in the early 90s in a much different climate. Like, we learn more things. And when Arrian was talking about the 24-hour news cycle, like, I've been listening to a lot more Norman McDonald recently. And one of his bits was we now have 24-hour news cycles. When I was a kid, it was 30 minutes. Turns out we only needed the 30

minutes. We do not need 24 hours of news. It forces us to reach for shit, make up shit. And like Big Boys said, retractions fall on deaf ears. It's easier to turn something that was false into true than, I don't know, I'm saying this backwards, true into false and false and true.

Like the retractions fall on deaf ears 10 out of 10 times. I think that's why it's important to get it right first and not rush to it. We're rushing society for no reason. When all this shit broke last year, people weren't looking for solutions. They were looking for fingers to point and blame. That was the biggest problem. That caused a lot of people to die.

that was an issue and it's still an issue it's always i don't see how we fix it i don't see how we revert back we're always going to try and rush rush to be first it's a problem with the internet and society in general but that isn't something we need to keep doing keep uh going forward i think you're breath takes some time really you know it's totally and this is pretty unrelated but just you know something i noticed who who who's the first person that you saw in the barstool office who's wearing a mask first person in the office wearing a mask the first like before anything happened it's probably i don't know probably us because we were coming in oh no

stephen cha no you'll never get it you're your way off this is the this is the craziest thing about the whole thing that confused that like really confused me on like i don't know granted this person did he was doing it as a joke no he was jack mac no he wasn't joking yeah no the thing I remember I'm wearing. I didn't know how to work. Senator Tom, like, Senator Tom Cotton, I think it was, was the first one to, like, raise the alarm about how dangerous COVID was. And, like, sort of, and I'm not, I'm just saying it's very interesting how everything flipped so quickly. Mm-hmm.

And it was really, I, it's something that I still, like, think about. Like, all of a sudden you had a bunch of people who wanted to get authoritarian who were honestly conservatives. and then halfway through it, it just switched. I think it definitely became people wearing, yeah. It became like for a lot of liberal people, they saw it as a cudgel to get at Donald Trump. Be like, look how badly he's fucking this up. Yeah.

And then for a lot of conservatives, it was like, it's actually not a problem. Donald Trump's doing a great job. And we have nothing to worry about because they wanted to support the president. And so it definitely became like a divisive, divisive situation.

fancy yeah i've heard a bunch of smart people say divisive recently but it might be like when john clinton says negotiating uh just something to make you sound way smarter but it was a divisive issue uh and it it should never have become something that that became partisan but yeah again with a 24 hour news cycle it does become partisan so big t let me let me ask you this because i think we can all agree that it's it's not good for people to be censored for saying things that are true and labeled as lies. Now, we can't always get that right, but if you're a company like Twitter, at what point does it become a free speech issue, even though your private company is what, at what point does the government get to take over these companies and say,

here are the rules about what you can and cannot do? What's the size? Because that's a subjective conversation, too. Is it 10 million users? 50, 100? Well, I don't think there's a size. I think we're talking about things that aren't objectively true or untrue. So, but if they're private company, you're censoring opinion. Yes. They can. They can. I don't think that's what they should be doing, but they absolutely can. Yeah. So. And then at that point, but I think Twitter and Facebook, the internet in general is to a point now that it's, it's a reasonable argument that that is so critical to your voice, that it should fall under some sort of. protection of free speech. Now, they're still private companies. Like you said, they can do whatever

they want. You say critical to your voice. Can you expound on that? That's where that's where the question of like, at what point does it become critical to the voice? I think we, the internet is to a point that like it is essential to thought. Like we do this show. It's sent out on the internet. That's how people hear what we think like you go on the internet you have hundreds of thousands of followers area and i'm speaking to you particularly like that is how people understand you and what your thoughts are i think it's to a point that that is so essential like i've said to your your voice that it should fall under some sort of protection but that's anything under the assumption that everyone's using the internet earnestly like we do not know

PFT's thoughts through his hundreds of thousands of follower account. That's fair. How does that dissolve you of any responsibility that your speech may have that can affect the behavior of other human beings? When you, I don't, I don't think if you're, I want to be careful how I phrase this. Be careful, be careful. We literally just want to rant about not rushing things. I don't, if you are saying something that is not directly inciting someone to violence,

which I think is a very narrow subset of speech, like at what point do you hold people accountable for what other people do? I guess my counter would be, I don't think enough. I think the internet's dangerous in the sense that society as a whole isn't very bright. and there is a responsibility to help the slower ones among us. I guess my argument can be just bowled down to this one last point. Coley, when you said retractions fall on deaf ears, that is, that's actually, I think the point I'm trying to make

where when we allow people, companies like Twitter, to say, you know what, you can't say this right now. That's just what it is. if it comes out that it's true later and who cares we just don't think you should be able to say that and it turns out that you should have been able to I don't like that line in the sand being drawn

and keep being redrawn and then we end up at a point where it's very very scary you're conflating my two thoughts because I am saying like if it's proven I have no problem with things going out but they just have to like if you You can say anything, but if you have no proof, like what people will run with shit,

like PFT was just saying, a lot of liberals were running with the, oh, look at all these Ivan-Mectin fucking idiots. Yeah, and I think we're talking about, you know, medical, like, facts here. That's different than I'm talking about opinions. And I think that's happening with a lot of opinions. But there are different types of, like, me saying Tom Brady's better than Aaron Rogers is an opinion. Me saying the Chinese are to blame for the global pandemic is an opinion that some people are

to take very personally and probably try and do something about it to the next Chinese person they see. But that's that's also the reason why we have discriminatory laws in in in in in in in in in law right. So it says like hate hate crimes and stuff like that because there's there's certain instances that can incite violence that are there are more that protect um that are that are there that are there to protect um minority groups. And so there's there's a reason why we have those. It's not because we're liberal cucks, right? It's because. Because it's because we understand the history of this country and what that leads to. Like, and that's just our past.

It's over and over again. It shows that. Yeah, but you're describing a category of speech that's already illegal. Like that's why it's not allowed on. But no, no, no, no. That's already a crime. Like, we don't need Twitter to say you can't do this. The government already says you can't do that.

We're saying inciting. And that's the fine line we're all talking about here is the inciting of it. And what you're saying, what people who have your worldview and share are saying is free speech is free speech and the incitement of it, you guys are exaggerated in it. And what somebody like me would say is we've seen this play out time and time again. So it's better to err on a side of caution rather than have you possibly incite something that could harm somebody. Like, it's, I don't even see how to, I don't, if you can possibly, if you could possibly save somebody, from harm, would you? Yes.

I know where you're coming from with it, and I understand. I think that is shrinking the Overton window. And if it was just confined to what you're talking about, I think that's a much different conversation than what is actually happening and what I think could happen in the future. But that's what I was asking about, like giving me examples. I think you're talking about like political texts, like say like the transgender issue, right? like the bathroom transgender issue or something like that is that what you're like alluding to

yeah i think there are a lot of political opinions that you that won't be allowed to be expressed right again those are protecting minority groups like there's no there's no political opinion like about what streets should be put up in the in an ex city x right that's a political opinion as well but it there's no harm there that's that's the issue the harm comes in minority groups who aren't usually protected. That's where y'all would say it's bullshit. And I'm not, like, I think, I think it gets characterized as like people who, like me who bang for this side.

Like, like, I just read Twitter all day. I'm offended. I don't get a fuck what you say. I honestly don't. But my thing is just like, if we have a possible, I was arguing with this conservative on Twitch a while back. He's a horrible rapper, by the way. But I was arguing with it's conservative on Twitch.

And he was saying that masks have zero percent effective. right? And I was like, you're saying they have zero, right? And I was like citing studies and he was like, I can show you studies. And I was like, okay, cool. I was like, if it's a possibility that wearing a mask can affect the spread of it at all, very little, you're saying you're not willing to do it. And he was like, no. And I was like, well, that's just where we differ. If mask are my shit sweats, I get it. But if it's a possibility that curving this speech, wearing this mask, having these regulations cannot harm somebody. I'm doing it 10 times out of 10 because it doesn't affect my life like that. You're not being able to fire up and fire ass tweets. It's not really affecting your life like that. See, and like I said, I understand where you're coming from. And I think if it was confined to the specific instances you're talking about, I would be okay with it.

But I don't think it is and I don't think it will be. Okay. That was the Tennessee Minute. Good talk. I think we got everything in that you need to know about volunteer football. tune in next week for I think that was a good I think that was a good

It was good It was good I mean sometimes people say like Oh you No one can have these debates And conversations People are afraid to talk I think by and large

People are willing to People are reasonable As a whole I think more so than they get credit for I know you're going to do the men and black quote Aaron Yeah But I it's great

It's great I mean I got a couple of avatar quotes In there In the San Bras well You know real quick Real quick, this, I think this is the biggest issue. You got to learn when to walk away, too, right? Like, you're not going to win.

Like, the way you exit that conversation was beautiful, I believe, right? Because I was arguing with some dude on Twitter and my DMs, and he thinks that the world is 6,000 years old. That's the last thing he said to me. I just said, okay. And it's like, you just have to know when to, like, there's nothing to gain here. I think what I like about Big T, even though, like,

we are in total opposite end of the spectrum is, like, at least it's not like it doesn't turn to like a motherfucker like it doesn't turn to like a dumb ass like it's just like we we have our opinions I laugh he laughs we probably don't think each other worldviews are accurate but it's going on about the day and I think that's what's going to have to happen because there's no I like Aryan a lot and I like having those conversations this is good this is good we're making progress guys I like Coley a lot too thank you big what about what about what about what about Billy I love big tea I like Billy sometimes I appreciate the honesty big T. Yeah, so you know I meant it when I said I like you like it.

All right. Well, we're going to get to the actual topic of today's show in a second. What minute of today's show do you think Kyrie shut it off? No, no. I think Kyrie, if he listened to this show, I think he would love this program. Before we get to our main topic of the night, Billy's favorite topic in the world, one he's been pressing us on for a while. We're about to have official macro dosing athlete Tyler Barron on the program. That's right. He is. is the award-winning linebacker. Is he defensive end or linebacker, big team?

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We are a big volunteer football podcast. We've got Big Tea in the room right out. And of course, we've got Tennessee legend, Arian Foster. He really came up with the idea to try to find somebody on the volunteers this year to work with with name, image, likeness thing. So, Aaron, here he is. This is your guy that you hand-selected to reach out to Tyler Barron. Actually, it was big team, man, because I said, I said, find me somebody who's black first, and then somebody who's like a rebel, you know, kind of go against the flow. And I don't know, I don't really follow college football like that, but so it's big team.

I don't remember how Tyler's name came about. but y'all were like somebody who's pretty good, or he reached out to us, right? Madeline came and he was like, Tyler Barrett, and I was like, yeah, he's good. We started following you, and then you put up a couple sacks or like a sack and a half in the first game

where you popped up on our radar, so you did a good job of making sure that we knew that you were there. And then the price went up. And the price went up. So how's it going, man? Like this whole name image like this thing, that's kind of crazy, right? Like people reaching out just being like,

you can get paid now. Good for you. I'm glad you're taking advantage of it. But when you first heard about this show, how did you first hear about us? So it was kind of weird. I actually heard about you guys through Twitter. A bunch of people were just DMing me and they were like, you should like DM them, DM them, like, see what they're talking about. So that's truly how I heard about y'all to be real. All right. So let's, I'm going to coach you just gently on that, if that's okay. You were a big fan of the podcast and you were a day one listener. And then when you heard, When you heard us talk about this, you're like, yeah, I'm a macrodosian.

I'm all in. I want to be the first guy ever sponsored by this show. So that's very cool to hear. Good there. Billy, you had a question, right? Quick question, Tyler. If you had to bring anyone back from the dead and ask them a question, who would it be and what would the question be? Shoot.

If I'm bringing anybody from the dead. shoot I'm bringing Tupac back and ask who he saw who killed him you know I said the same thing about JFK

but turns out they probably have no idea who killed them because they just got shot I think Tupac I don't think you know we know we know who killed

Tupac man we know I just want to confirm it yeah it was Orlando fuck I forget his last name Orlando something it was he was he was a it was in some Crip game

in L.A. And Pah this is going will probably get heat for this but pop was doing too much at that Vegas hotel like not only that word got his uh yeah so he like he he he punched buddy he punched buddy and he never let it go and so they double back and they got him but yeah it's it's his for i blame two pox people around them like you don't let the one of the best rappers in the world go around second point not second punch but punching people in Las Vegas hotel lobbies fam like come on it's wild but

So, Tyler, Billy kind of sprung that question on you. That's one that, that's tough if you don't have time to think about, but you answered it really well, I think. We need to talk about, we need to talk some business because we want, we want to have a successful business partnership with you at the University of Tennessee. And we, I don't know if you've listened to any of the clips from our show when we've been going back and forth on how we're negotiating with you. You are a shrewd businessman. You are not afraid to ask for money, which we like. We like that a lot, but we got to figure. out what makes sense because you know we we want this to work for us as well as for you so um i

understand that the price of the bag goes up when you have a good game um so you you tell us what is what would work well for you we're talking to instagram post we're talking to stories how is that going to work out uh to be honest um really i was just looking for you guys to tell me what y'all would want out of it and then i would base myself off of what y'all were asking me to do i like it so we we make you an offer and then you come back and you say actually it's 50% more than that and then we say okay and then we've got ourselves a deal is am i understanding that correctly did you just already agree to 50% more than what we were going to yeah because if i say it then i know that he's not going to ask me for 75% more i actually just i actually just took you to the

cleanest for 25% right there by increasing my offer so much i think i'm I think I won that. So we've got some merch that we can send you. We would love to have you posted on social. And what's the price that we had talked about here? And we say if we can get an Instagram post wearing our merchandise, an Instagram story wearing a merchandise, and then for you to come back on the show next time you have a sack.

For sure. So I guess we'll be back to the show on Monday after the game. Perfect. There you go. Now, I'm just spitballing here, and I don't know if this is going to cost us extra. Could we come up with some sort of sack celebration that only we know? Do you have a celebration? Is there anything that you do?

I don't got something I do every time, but I try to think of something, like something random to do every time, to be real. So we need some sort of signal. So when we see next week, Connor Bezell, on his ass we know that was that was to macrodose what about this area and i don't want to step on your toes so um maybe you can give some feedback on this but when you would score a touchdown you would do the bow right the hands together and the bow that's true what do you think about passing that along keeping that alive that would be fire yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah i like that Flash an M?

Flash the M. Yeah, you can flash an M. That'll be disrespect my boys from Memphis. That'd be real disrespect. And it's corny, Billy. And it's corny, man. Good point. I like the, I like the bow.

I like the bow, man. Yeah. All right. But honestly, man, all jokes aside, man, I just want to say this, man. I'm all for young brothers getting paid, man. And I'm all for, like, so like, we was joking on the pod, like about how, you know, that the price went up and he's trying to tax. I like that shit, right?

I like that shit because I'm a firm believer. I'm a firm advocate. I'm an anti-N-C-A-A. I think they crooks. I think they're villains. I think they thieves. And so it's fuck them at all costs. And so the fact that they had to give a little bit, you know, like this is just dope

to have somebody that we can, we could actually do it, you know, actively, man. So I'm always rooting for young brothers, especially, you know, I went to the university. I'm always rooting for you, man. I want to see you do good. I want to see you do good. And the biggest thing I would say, man, the biggest thing that I would say, because I don't really talk to young athletes no more. I'm kind of out the loop.

But if all that is money and start to swirl, you start doing really good, agents start coming, all of that stuff. One, you can hit my line anytime, by the way. We'll wrap about that later. But figure out and find out people who are in your best interest. that'll teach you about money. Like, don't, don't just become a cog in the will, and when it comes, it comes.

But there's an active bunch of people that are trying to snake from y'all. Like, and the garden is thick, dog. So it's like, I always tell young dudes, try to learn about money as much as you can. Soak up any kind of game, like I said, you can hit my line anytime. I'll give you my number, just hit the DM,

and we can wrap it about anything you want to because I just want to see young dudes win, man. I appreciate that for real. There's love. All right. I think we have ourselves a deal. We can hit your Venmo. Whatever's convenient for you.

We'll send you your care package and we'll get you back on this. Do you want to come back on on Monday? Yeah, for sure. Sounds good. All right, yeah. What we can do is do a recap of how the game went. So, Big T, do you have any questions about how the game went this weekend? That's okay.

We don't need to talk about this week. We're on to Missouri. This is going to be a big win. I do have Tyler, Tyler, I don't know if you can see me on the thing. I'm Big T. I graduated from UT a couple years ago. I have a question just for me. Nobody else who listens to this show is going to understand it, but I just want to know what's your order at Gusses.

I know Gusses. That's true. Arian would know. I know Gusses. If I'm going to Gusses, I'm going to get probably a little four piece with the fries and the mac and cheese. Love that. Hey, we had a deep tackle when I was there, though. I'm not going to name his name, but he would eat that.

at Gus's every fucking day, though. So much so that our D-Line coach went to Gus's and said, do not let him order for me on anymore. And that nigga was right now. That nigga was big as hell, though. You just say Albert Hainsworth. We know it was. Nah, it wasn't him.

Wasn't him. I didn't play with him. I ain't he. I ain't. He wasn't. All right. Well, we appreciate you having, are you coming on the show?

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like we're happy to see athletes cashing in on the name image like this. It's money that should have been going their way for a long, long time. So we're happy to help out in our small part. Can we try to get this program into Kyrie Irving's ears? who do you think is like the sneakiest like person who enjoys listening to this but is just would never admit it because like they couldn't like you think kairi would admit to listening to macrodosing if he could no we're we're too like shallow on the internet waters like he's so

much deeper into the internet than where we exist it's not like he we wouldn't even cross his path it'd be awesome though if kairi you know he was asked today if he was vaccinated he said that's a personal question it'd be awesome if he was vaccinated but he truly believed that it was personal question and would not, would not dignify it with a response. Like, that would be the, that would actually be the ultimate Kyrie Irving thing to do. If he's gone that far into like, Washington State's football coach. Like, you have to be vaccinated as a government employee in Washington. So like, I think he wouldn't be allowed to be coaching if he wasn't, but he keeps just saying, yeah, like, I'm not going to answer that. It's a personal question. Kyrie Irving,

he's vaccinated. Stop asking. Harry didn't even get asked if he was vaccinated. They asked him if he was going to be able to play home games and he said that's a personal question no it's not that's not a personal question that's that's almost as bad of a question if it was posed to any other player that's as bad of a question as david letterman intentionally asked to kevin durant today which was why do they call you kd uh he asked that as a joe but to any other player besides kair you're like are you going to play home games this year you'd just be like excuse me what Yeah, do you know something I don't?

I planned on it. Yeah, I don't know. Makes you make like an organic vaccine that has like sage in it and shit. That should be, it would be fire. Yeah, Kyrie is like, you can't impose your medical choices on everybody. Meanwhile, he's going around and like hotboxing all of Madison Square Garden with burning sage. Did he ever explain why he saved the court? It's a Native American thing.

So he has Native American ancestry. I don't know exactly like what. what his background is, but it's partially Native American, and it's one of their, I'm going to absolutely fuck up what it's called, not a, not a ritual, but it's one of their almost like a sacrament for whatever, uh, whatever was a tribe or group of people that his ancestors come from. So that's what he was saying about the sage thing. He like cleanses the environment. Oh, as I was to say, what does it do? I've, I was never been in the sage camp. I know my, um, uh, oh, this is a cool story. There was a, a,

murder suicide in my house not while I lived in it but like cool before I bought it right super dope

I mean it's not super dope it's really sad Did you get a good deal? Uh huh Did you get a good No they don't They don't take it off because it's in a good neighborhood

So it's like I don't know niggas die every day I don't go fuck I don't sound like a good neighborhood based on your Well it's a good neighborhood on the surfiness right

and so my one of my relatives who will be not named they were like I'm gonna come over but I'm gonna sage your house and I was like

why are you gonna sage my house and she was like because there was a murder suicide in it I was like my nigga what the fuck is burning sage gonna do is that scared of ghost and they're not fucking like I don't understand the shit

I just don't get it so like when niggas be sage and shit in my head I'm always laughing because they're like trying to get rid of ghosts I don't know yeah I would personally I don't know if I could move into a house that had a murder

suicide and a murder that's one maybe yeah murder i could move into i could yeah that's too dark i think i could even move into like a double murder house yeah as long as i as i could rationalize as long as i could rationalize the crime what's the cat what's the cat how many people need to die in the house before you're i can't buy this i think it two is two is okay as long as they're adults two adults in a house i think i would still purchase it but but it but it can't But one of them has to, one of them can't be a suicide, has to be both murders. What is the suicide that is, oh, go ahead, go ahead. I was going to say, with just the murders, there's high potential that the murderer

who knows that address very well is still out there. Murdered suicide, you know, that guy's at least taken care of. We're not going to have this problem here, especially in that room. Right. Yeah. Now, if I can, like, rationalize, like, if it's actually really weird, like, if there's like a shooting and it's like a crime it's like related to like gang violence or crime i'm like okay i'm like much more comfortable but if there's just like a random shooting which is like

based on something like crazed person i can't really understand why they do it that freaks me out way more yeah i would also say i don't think i would stay in a hotel room that had a single murder in it there's like a sliding scale i don't like murder hotels i feel like if there's like a drug deal gone bad type murder like that one i'd be like okay like i was part of the game Yeah, it's like not spooky. People don't talk enough about all the drug deals gone good that happened. And way more frequent. The perfect handshakes.

Yeah. Perfect app, clean product exchange, reasonable price. Supply and demand. This is America. Exactly. It's just a good capitalistic transaction. We need to put focus on the positives instead of the negatives all the time. We do.

That'd be a good. good shirt. Let's talk about the drug deal's gone good. Yeah. Way more of those. So some quick news. We are going to do nanodosing on Thursday. I spoke with Owen, the producer of Son of a Boy Dad. Last week, they put up the white

flag. They're no longer releasing many episodes on Thursday. So we won the war against them for the many episodes. But shout out to Son of Boy Dad. They're very funny podcast. We joked around a little bit with him, but Ronan sass and owen and all those guys are very funny so their show also comes out on tuesdays listen to that as well as macrodosing no bad blood now that they've agreed to let us just dominate them on

thursdays they're saying little sass might be too focused on his stand-up career it's a distraction yeah that's what that's what that's what the streets are saying yeah distraction i like that i've got my eye on that rhone he's this see this feels like a if i know that guy like i think i do This feels like a first step in a trap. Like Art of War type shit. Let your enemy believe that they're winning. Yeah, very sun-zoo of them. Good point.

I think it's a set up. We should do an episode on the Art of War. Can we do a book club? Yeah. Oh, book review. Yeah. Macro-dosing book club on the Art of War because I don't know. The Wikipedia, the Wikipedia page does a pretty good job.

Okay. We should do a Wikipedia review. Because they do the chapters and like a paragraph each. Just read the book, make. Let's read the book. Let's read the book. It's not that long. The Wikipedia Club is a part of my take thing.

Not that long. We'll save the Wikipedia club for PMT on things. But I feel like we should we should try to read Art of War because it's crazy I was written so long ago and a bunch of people still quote it to this very day. And it's a mixture of things because I think it's there's probably a lot of really good stuff that you can take from it. But also it's one of one of dumber people's favorite books to quote to sound intellectual. Yeah.

So it's a combination of like. Like everything good about this podcast, a bunch of dumb people saying things that they think sound smart and also occasional little pearls of wisdom in there. Yeah. My favorite one is sweat and peacetime to bleed less in war. Maybe it's not even from the book. Yeah, no, that was just on your weight room in high school. Yeah. Yeah, your football coaches love to put up fake Sun Su quotes.

I love like all of the distilled philosophical about like, philosophy about conflict that's just been distilled through strength coaches, head coaches, and then trickle down to me to create my worldview. Well, they whittle away all the bullshit and they just give you the stuff that you need to know. Yeah, that's not from the art of war. That's from a guy named Norman Schwarzenkopf at a Naval Academy commencement in 1991. A guy named Norman, Storm and Norman. He was the last person in the United States to win on the road in Iraq.

Oh. Yeah. Yeah, no, I 100% know that when I said, I was like this sounds like it could be from art of war like someone definitely could pass it off in that but you can take any any quote and then put sun sue at the end of it and it could sound right like success isn't owned

its least and rent is due every day I think this one Sun Suh the art of war I think this one's actually from art of war but better to be a warrior and a garden than a gardener in war okay I think that actually might be Sun Tzu let's look that so applicable to like anything though like I give that

35% chance of being from art of war It's just a Chinese proverb Okay So pretty close Better to be a cook in the kitchen And that's just It's a week It's pretty weak

It's better to be a warrior In a garden Than a garden We get it No yeah But wait why would you I don't I definitely understand the quote

I'm just saying it's pretty weak The fuck what a warrior do in a garden You'd just be like There's too many vegetables Also, I resent that those are framed as being mutually exclusive. Why can't a warrior enjoy gardening? Good point. Warrior poets. That's a thing.

Or a gardener enjoy, enjoy warring. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, a nigga come up on your cash crops. Like, right. It depends on what you're growing. There are a lot of people in Humboldt County that fit right in the middle of that Venn diagram. And yeah.

Matter of fact, I was thinking that might be a don't little thing. We should pick a book. And like, just like we do the Tennessee. it we'll do like chapter one overview of the book and just have like a i should might be kind of fun but yeah okay let's here's what we'll do we'll make our way through the art of war it'll be a recurring segment on the show we'll do a chapter is it broken down into chapters how is the book structured um i know the last chapters on spies is that true yeah but he just didn't even answer the question just just gave a random ass fact is that true we should we'll read we'll read

There are 13 chapters. Okay, perfect. We'll do it. We'll break it down into, into 13 episodes. We could even make that the, the mini, the nanodosing. Ooh, I like that. It was like Art of War breakdown week after week. What do you think about that?

And we'll do voicemails on this show. I got, I like that. I like that idea too, because voicemails is something that, like, isn't specific to our show. I feel like it fits more into the, the course of the conversation in a regular episode. So we'll do, we'll do the Art of War book club on Thursday. We'll do, we'll start it. This will be the last week that we'll have voicemails in the nanodosing. And then starting next week, we'll have the Art of War breakdowns.

Okay. Does that work? I think beautiful. Yeah. I think I got our book club. Billy read this shit, Billy. I read the book. He'll read.

Billy will read. Chapter one has three parts. Okay. You're already, it's already sounding like he's going to read the whole thing. I think it tapped out already. Our book club should be, because I'm pretty sure this falls into this umbrella. And I apologize, this may be a part in my take joke. But our book club should just be all the books LeBron's read the first page of.

Oh, my God. Do the first page, we'll just review the first pages of those. That Malcolm Max's autobiography shit was the funniest thing I've ever seen. Because like LeBrona do, man. And like, that's like mandatory reading for school, I thought. Like, I think everybody has already read that shit. And it's like, they kept asking them questions about that shit. It's like, my nigga.

Just read the book, though. Personal question. I think he said smart brother very smart he said he said he said he showed us

he said he showed us how powerful the Negro could be like the kind of those guys Jim said LeBron he said Negro bro I fucking fell out

man okay I'm currently and Aaron you said that you have the art of war, right? I do. All right, I'm going to order one, two, three, four, five copies for the office. Big baller.

That's right. Yeah, I'll expense that shit. Paperback, though. Won't get too crazy. Yeah, I'm not made out of money, guys. All right. Big T you down for this book club shit? Yeah, I can do a chapter a week.

That's what I'm talking about. Just why are you eating Chick-fil-A, just go ahead and knock it out. Facts. All right. Love it. And, uh, yeah. Let's pivot real quick. We'll pivot elegantly to the topic that we wanted to discuss on this week's episode.

This is a Billy special. This week, if you're, if you tune into macrodose and you're like, you know what? I don't get enough of Billy. I don't get enough of Billy's special interests on this show. You're in luck because he's been very passionate about this. He keeps spamming the group chat with it when we're trying to think of subjects for next week's episode. He's been really pushing this one on us for last. couple months so we decided to let billy cook billy do you want to introduce the topic well it's an

extremely um current topic but this one is about national parks in disappearances so uh it's been going quite viral uh especially with gabby patito going missing and now found and her boyfriend now on the run and missing uh but uh there's been tons of tic talks and different forms of media regarding that there might be more in the national parks than we seem to know. And a lot of it stems from, you know, how many people disappear in national parks every year. And there's a bunch of books called, like, you know, Missing 411, which is written by a Bigfoot, truther. 411? Yeah.

Missing 401. You know what 411 is? What? That's crazy. This is one of the generation. divides that I think we're going to uncover on this show. Matt Dogg, do you know what 411 is? Don't Google it. Don't Google it. I'm not

Googling it. Um, isn't it like you would call? Oh, fuck, I'm going to sound down. Isn't it you would call it and it was like Google before the internet? Yeah, that's that is. I'll give you a pass. I'll give you a pass on that one. I just, I feel so old hearing her refer to it that way. Is it like 311?

Avery. It's like an information. line, right? Like, you would call, like, if you needed directions or whatnot. Yeah, 411 is information. Call for information. So you could call to get somebody's phone number, right? That was one of the things you could do. That was probably the main reason why people used it. So I wasn't too far off. No, you're pretty close. I could have passed on. I was actually pretty big T. Did you know that? Uh, I, if you would have asked me first, I wouldn't have been now that you say that I remember that. Okay. That's crazy that you guys. I thought that was 311. 311 is different, I think. Let's That's like three one one's not emergency police no four one is is is um yeah it's uh information

y'all do y'all know you young bucks y'all know star six nine that's probably yeah oh dude we start six nine all the time all the time that yeah that was my favorite prank yeah no i actually i have a story about star six nine we used to take the bus to practice or it's a school and what we used to do is we used to when we drove past stores while we were stuck in traffic we call the stores using star six nine and tell the poor people whoever picked on the phone to come outside because we were outside we come outside then we just mess with them and tell them to like go up to random people who are outside of the store so we'd be just in the bus like messing with some poor person who is out on the street just like

looking for the like we're right behind you. It was a lot of funnier at the day. That story was a lot funny in your head. You guys got you guys got fucking crazy. You guys you guys are nuts man. And then you get mad. You could do star 67. So star 67 that was I think that's what you're talking

about. Yeah, no. Star 67. So Star 69 was the number that you could Star 69 was what you would look to see who just called you. You would get their phone number because if you were calling on a landline, my phone rings. It's not a cell phone. I don't see who's calling me. So if I pick up the phone, somebody makes like a weird noise and hangs up, I hit Star 69. I can figure out exactly who it was that just called.

But if you hit Star 67 before you called that person, it would block their ability to Star 69 you. Huh. Oh, yeah. I only knew Star 67. Yeah. That one that Billy was talking about. Yeah. all right so so billy

a big foot hunter wrote about it so right off the bat you know that it's probably truthful there's like basically this whole theory called the can it's you know the can am missing persons project and there's a bunch of people who go missing in the woods every year and even though there's tons of resources and you know people deploy to look for them they just can't find them and when they do find evidence

it's all always weird there's always a bunch of different factors that just confuse investigators and end up, you know, adding a pretty mysterious element to all these disappearances. And I want to talk about the first one, which caught, that brought a lot of attention to some of these, uh, disappearances. And it's the disappearance of Dennis Mart. So, and this is actually for the Tennessee Minute, this is, um, pretty, it's close to home. So let me read you this story. Dennis Martin was a six-year-old resident of Knoxville. He was visiting the Great Smoky Mountains National Park

along with his father, grandfather, and older brother on Father's Day weekend in 1969. The camping trip was a family tradition for the Martins. The family hiked from Cades Cove to Russell Field and camped overnight. The next day, they hiked to Spence Field near the Appalachian Trail, where they planned to spend the night.

Martin disappeared on June 14th at 1630 while planning on surprising the adults with his brother and other children from a separate family the Martins were camping with. He was last seen by his father going behind a bush to hide, intending on surprising the adults with the other children. After not seeing him for about five minutes and when all the other children had returned to the campsite, his father became concerned and began searching for him. His father ran down the trail for nearly two miles until he was sure he could not have gone

any farther. After several hours, they sought help from the National Park Service rangers. Search efforts included a separate search by National Guard and Special Forces, found no trace. Heavy range during the first day's search hampered the efforts and heavy missed the next day. Up to 1,400 people were involved in the search effort, potentially obscuring possible clues. Footprints were found in the area but dismissed as being Martins and determined by park officials who have been left by a Boy Scout participating in the search. The child-sized footprints led to a stream where they disappeared. The tracks indicated that one foot was barefoot

while the other one was in Oxford the type of shoe Martin was wearing or tennis shoe. Retired park ranger and author Dwight MacArthur believes that the prince likely belonged to Martin as a track were not part of a group and none of the Boy Scots were searching while barefoot. A shoe and sock were also found. By June 22nd, 56 square miles of ground have been covered. More than a thousand searchers continued to look until June 26 when the search was cut back. The search was abandoned on June 29th after a last search. The search was officially closed down on September 14th, 1969. as of 2021 is still the largest search in the history

of the Great Smoky Mountains National Park. So this is one instance of several similar stories of people who just almost vanished out of thin air in national parks across America. Now, there's occurrences such as them finding their clothes folded up and random places, finding their shoes in places where they thought they searched before, they showed up later after the search party had covered the area and then they go back and find

all the stuff and just a lot of, you know, weird occurrences that are happening, these national parks. A lot of them involve kids and a lot of them are closely, they all occur in the same areas. So if you look at a map of the United States and I sent it to you guys in the group chat, there's all the occurrences seem to occur around certain hotspots where people believe that something is causing all these disappearances to occur. Now, a lot of these have been, you know, so there's several examples of things that could explain this, such as hyperthermia causing people to take their clothes off. And then, but there's such weird things such as little kids being found, you know, 20 miles from where they were last seen and people just not remembering where they were when

any of this happened. So a lot of people think that something suspicious is going on in these national parks in places that, you know, no one really knows how these people are disappearing, especially without a trace. Okay. So you might be listening to Billy Wright on your, you might say, well, national parks and national forests are some of the biggest areas where, you know, it's uninhabited where people are very unlikely to find you if you go missing because they're big complicated forests and people do get lost there. But I'm going to I'm going to kind of side with Billy on this a little bit. There is precedent for some of these missing persons cases to be tied in with something a little bit more sinister. It's happened a lot in Australia. There have been

documented cases of serial killers who live in and around these types of parks that drive in specifically looking for people to kill, tie them up, kill them, bury them in like mass graves and these people have been tied to over like 30 or 40. Some killers have killed like 30 to 50 people and gotten away with it for their entire lives. And it's not just one person. There are many of them that have done this. And it's, I don't think that problem is localized to Australia. I think that definitely some people see national parks as being the ultimate example of these people are off the grid this is the perfect crime i can get away with this um so there there's a little bit of evidence that at least in other places it's not just about people going for a

hike and getting totally lost so getting back to the story about martin um they think there was three theories how martin couldn't disappear the first is that you became lost and perished from overexposure to the outside world such as uh hypothermia or some other other heat stroke or another type of, it was during the summer, but it got cold at night and hot during the day. The second was that he was attacked by a hungry bear or a feral pig and carried off. The third was that he may have been abducted and taken out of the park by something or someone. His father was a huge proponent of the third theory. On the afternoon that Martin disappeared, Torres Harold Key and his family heard an enormous sickening scream

and shortly thereafter witnessed an unkempt, rough-looking man running up the trail near where the stream had come from. He looked on as the man had gotten to a white car and abruptly sped off. Park Rangers and the Federal Bureau of Investigation conclude that there was insufficient evidence to link the sighting to Martin's disappearance, particularly given that Key's sightings was approximately five miles away from where Martin disappeared, the exact time of the sighting being unknown and the lack of trails connected to two sites. So basically what we're getting at is that there's a huge group of people who think that All these disappearances have to do with feral humans.

Now, uh, the feral humans could actually, you know, take up a lot of meanings of just people who are not living in civilization. But according to conspiracy theorists, they think that there is a civilization or group of feral humans being sort of like mole people,

but, you know, a whole group of people who live in various cave systems that seem to line up with all the hot, spots that these, uh, disappearances in national parks occur. All right. So for people that might not know, what do you mean by feral humans? So the word feral has to do with domesticated farm animals that when released into the wild like pigs or cattle or even cats, they tend to take on, uh, some of the, um, uh, what you call it? Characteristics of their wild ancestors. They

revert back to you know so for example pigs who get released in the wild start to look like wild boars and grow tusks and start to show um the some of the characteristics that they're like pre-domesticated species took on okay so when they get into nature they they they kind of revert back to not just mentally but also physically so people are arguing that if there are feral people that they've sort of reverted back to some sort of form of human that was, you know, more prehistoric. You think that if, if, like, I got lost in nature for, let's call it two years, three years, I'd be able to grow, like, a sick beard and I'd get, like, my body would get covered with hair. That's what they're arguing. But.

There's something about being in civilization that, like, that neuters you or that, like, that, like, changes you to, like, uh, your body even not just mentally but physically to become like a different type of human based from what they argue i am not entirely proponent of there being a feral human race living somewhere yeah when you say mole people what are i've i've heard about mole people are mole people an actual thing it's the idea of in Vegas well that they are just homeless people who live underground the idea of mole people is that them being like a very specific like own being and they can't they like lose their ability to see because they've been yeah in the dark for so long now that am i a mole person because i've been wearing sunglasses maybe i might i might be slowly transitioning yeah

yeah i wonder has that you think that's affected your vision at all yeah probably probably a little like long term i hope not but yeah i i don't think it's been it hasn't been helpful i don't think gets improved at all. Oh, by the way, Thursday. Turn to the live stream. I think I'm going to take the shades off. Or maybe it has helped a lot because it keeps a lot of the radiation out of your eyes.

Blue light. Good point. Yeah. It's possible. It's possible. UVA, UVB. If you take them off, are you going to like leave them off? No. So it's just like a one time They'll just be off occasionally. If I'm walking around the office, I happen to be in the background of stuff. That's fine.

And then when I do certain interviews, I'll take him off, like, with somebody who's new that might not know us. Because otherwise, sometimes people sit down, they're like, why is this guy wearing shades? I don't get it. I don't trust him necessarily, you know? If they're not familiar. You tell him, shut the fuck up. This is my thing.

Yeah. All right. Sorry to get us off track a little bit. So, so you're saying that there's, are there actual reports of these feral humans? Or is it just speculation? This might be a case where Billy's like, but wouldn't it be? cool if there were yeah I mean

I was looking into this and I have my own theories American horror story did a really good sort of example of what they're basically saying a lot of people

disappear in Mount in national parks every year a lot of them are found some of them are not found because of you know it's the national parks it's supposed to be

the most uncivilized place in America where humans are not supposed to have much of any say so they end up getting eaten by bears, cougars, bobcats, all sorts of stuff, and their, you know, remains are not found.

That would suck to go out to a bobcat, like the tiniest. Yeah, well, I get killed, but a little kid, good, but it's honestly like, it's a little suss if a grown man is getting killed by a bobcat. But basically they're saying that there's a bunch of, you know, cannibals living in the national forest and they're just eating people. And a lot of this comes from like that original disappearance started Dennis Martin. Everyone thinks that there's a bunch of cannibals living in West Virginia amongst the Appalachian, you know, trail and eating people. A lot of this is sort of just sort of, you know, stigmas against poor people who live in the region. That's where the term hillbillies came from, I think. The Appalachians.

Yeah. So. Yeah. but there's a ton of this stuff. It's gone super viral on TikTok, the 4-11 things. And honestly, a lot of it is just like people saying that they hear cannibals in the forest, but it's really just like coyotes and cougars mating, which is like a really crazy sound if you haven't heard that.

I've heard a cougar meeting call. I've heard cats in my neighborhood when they're like in heat. And it honestly sounds like they're dying. It's fucking weird. It's bizarre. So wait, what exactly is going viral on TikTok? What are they talking about? Right now, okay, so right now with the Gabby Petito stuff, there's a lot going on with it.

But besides that, Billy and I looked up some TikToks of feral people on TikTok. And obviously it's not videos or anything of them, but it's people giving accounts of missing people from national parks that showed up two years later. There was one account where a man, I'm forgetting his name, but a man went missing in the national park. I believe it was a Yellowstone showed up 15 months later 700 miles away from where he disappeared and had no recollection of the past 15 months and was like, I don't know where I've been,

I don't know what I've been doing, like I don't know what's going on. He remembers coming in and then he remembers coming out. Like he doesn't remember anything in between and he was gone for 15 months. And somehow he showed up, he walked basically to his dad's house and showed up at his dad's house

and showed up at his dad's house, which is 40 miles from the national park, but 700 miles from his start of his journey. So people are like, did he have a mental health break? Like, did he, you know, did something happen paranormally, something like that? So a lot of stuff like that. Also a lot of what Billy was saying with the map and what he sent in the group where the map of missing people versus the map or on top of the map of the national parks is almost identical. So a lot of stuff like that. What else, Billy?

Yeah, so basically they also point to the fact that the national parks don't keep a record of how many people go missing inside of them and how maybe the government is in on a conspiracy theory and even Teddy Roosevelt. Yeah, it's a lot of Teddy Roosevelt slander. Oh, let's go. They keep saying that Teddy Roosevelt set up the national parks

because he knew there was a bunch of feral humans living in the national parks or like Bigfoot was living in the national parks and so they could be left unbothered to protect them yeah to protect them or just keep people out of there I'm in on this one I'm in on this one I like this one

and then they keep saying that sometimes when these kids go missing special forces get deployed to the area and they're actually there to go kill the feral humans who have kidnapped the children or whoever did and they'd never find them because they get to their so like the idea is that the feral humans are coming out of these cave systems and eating people

and that every time someone goes missing and they send special forces to look for them the special forces are actually taking out their like hunting camp and destroying all the evidence and driving them back into their cave system okay so so what do you think if joe biden Let's just say that we didn't have national parks right now. If Joe Biden issued a mandate that we're setting aside all this federal land as protected areas, do you think that people would be like FEMA camps? These are the FEMA camps. I think that I think people probably would. Was this Teddy Roosevelt doing?

So what you're saying is. Well, Twitter would put a stop to that real quick. They would. That's true. Big T. My guy had my guys had that in his holster and a whole show. but that's what it sounds like they're doing to teddy roosevelt it's like why would you why would you just dictate that this land needs to be set aside and protected how do you decide

exactly where it needs what is the good land what's the bad land also billy will you explain the whole correlation between teddy roosevelt and the national parks uh will he uh set aside all the land for the national parks and which part are you talking about like why would like did he like why would he be the one that wants to protect oh because he was a huge outdoorsman he always believed that you know something should be protected and a lot of america back then was basically national parks you just wanted to protect it from loggers miners and whatnot so but as we talked about before in the uh cryptos episode teddy roosevelt knew of the legend of Bigfoot and whatnot.

And a lot of these legends and stuff predate European colonization of America. Some Native Americans used to talk about these feral people. And honestly, remember Coley said in the group that humans have been in America for much

longer than we previously thought. And, you know, if they were here for longer than we thought, maybe, you know, people went underground in these cave systems. Just a thought. Not that I think this is. is actually a thing to if if cannibals like just ate like resourcefully i think they get kind of a bad rap talk about it what i'm just saying it's like it's just meat right like as long as you're

not out here murdering people for it you know this is as a how do how do they get it well what's what what I'm saying? Like, say they eat all old meat, like, when person passive natural causes, like, it could be ethical cannibalism. That's probably trash meat. Old meat? Why would old meat? It's still, the muscles still work, right?

Or, like, accidents. Like, say somebody you know, gets mauled by a grizzly and didn't eat the carcass. Well, honestly, cannibalism has actually been, there's been quite a bit of cannibalism in America in American history, especially

on the pioneers like the Donner Party Mm-hmm I feel like it's either either guy Yeah Yeah It's taboo it's definitely tabby I'm not advocating Campbell

I'm just like we look at it We look at it we look at my advocating it We're not advocating for it What I'm saying From the first professional football player Vegan to first You got to you were saying Like you're not

You're not advocating for it But you're also saying like Here are both sides Listen, we need to have the conversation. We need to have a conversation. I'm not saying we should eat people. I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying like, you know, like, I'm talking about the feral people, for instance, right?

Like, if they happen to come across a hiker that's lost and died, fell off, and that's what they do anyway, eat the body. Why not eat the body? Eat the body. Is it bad? Is it bad for you? I have done no research on cannibalism. I don't know. if it's bad for you, like physically, I don't know

if it's bad for you. Probably fuck you up mentally to eat a human, but not if your tribe eats humans. I would submit that maybe the entire tribe is fucked up mentally at that point. I mean, if it was like normalized

for you probably, the only reason we think it's bad is because we've been told it's bad. I think it, yeah. That's my point. I'm not saying let's eat people. I'm just saying like if you're out here surviving in the wild, like say we was in a, like you know, that old scenario like say we you know hiking as a as a and we get stranded right and like there's nothing to eat and everybody's like and there's a day like will somebody die from like cold for me cold

or something I don't know like and you don't have no food like you ain't going to think about it you ain't going to think about eating them yeah what what about this would you personally be okay with somebody eating you after you died absolutely my shit's just going I'm just going to rot absolutely Okay. So I think that in that circumstance, at least you're consistent. Yeah. Yeah. So some people donate their bodies to science after they die and they're like, hey, cut me up, chop my liver apart, look at me underneath the microscope, learn how to solve problems in the future, learn how to save people's lives. What you're saying is if you're starving and you need my meat to survive, that's really no different than saying donate my body to science and the greater good. No, no. Yeah, we have a lot better options, but I'm just saying. like if you stranded i don't think it's as taboo as it should be like we do a lot of weird shit like that's you know give cannibals a break the thing is there are a lot of weird

disappearances in the national parks like sometimes they find children who they find their bodies at the end of the day but uh they're found like a week later with food in their stomach that they didn't eat before they left so like someone was cooking them food and keeping them alive. Fatening them up. Yeah, all sorts of weird stuff. But I haven't seen a good cauldron in a while. That was something that I was told, you know, much like the whole quicksand thing in

cartoons back in the day, is there would always be a cauldron laying around and somebody be ready to like put your body into it and then fill it up with water and add a couple carrots and turn you into a delicious stew. That's something that I've yet to encounter as an adult. I've never seen a cauldron. I was joking, by the way. Don't eat people. All right, that was a joke.

That was one of the good bit. Don't even, I was just just playing. I like playing both sides of the fence just to philosophize, man. See what y'all thought about cannibals. But the thing, the weird thing is that a lot of the families of those who disappear

end up actually investing in this, you know, Can Am missing persons project because, like, they haven't found their loved ones. So it's sort of comforting them for them to think that they're stolen by a family of big feet. Was there a reason why that you said the national parks don't keep a track of how many people are missing?

Is that reason why? Wait, I'm sorry. I want to get an answer to that question in a second area. But, Billy, back to what you just said a second ago. You said that they invest in Canaan because it's more comforting to them to think that maybe their relative got stolen by a family of big feet. That's a better alternative than being like they got lost and they probably died due to exposure.

you're like well you know what let's hold out some hope they could be they could be being held hostage by a giant hominid or they're just living living amongst them it's a comforting thought knowing that they probably died in terror being swung swung against oatree by the guy from jacklings commercials we also share that's the plural of big foot no feet nope no idea i think it would be saskwatches it would it would be bigs feet like it's just big foot like bigs mac or a attorneys general. Big foot. Big foot makes actually more sound.

I'm in the big foot's camp, not the big feet. I like the big feet. Big, big foots. Okay, I'm sorry. What do you, what do you call a gaggle of big foot?

A murder of big foots? Yeah. A gaggle or murder. Well, it technically be like a troop, like a troop of chimpanzees, right? Because they're a group of apes. Aren't they, isn't an army?

I think it's an army of chimps. I'm pretty sure it's a troop. of monkeys troop of gorillas Okay What's a group of orcas again Don't they have a cool one? Pod isn't it

Oh that's a dolphin A group of chimpanzees It's just called a community Okay That's boring It's a baboons It's a troop of baboons Okay

I know apes Apes are a shrewdness of apes Ooh I like that So a shrewdness of big foot A shrewdness of big foot Yeah Anyway there's actually I So when I first was looking into

Wait wait wait wait I'm sorry, I interrupted Aryan to ask you about your whole thing that you brought up Billy. Arean, were you saying like a database or something? Well, like, this is actually pretty interesting, just looking at this. A bear, a bunch of bears are called us a sleuth or a sloth of bears. It's a murder of crows. They got ravens on there. That's my favorite.

A male. Birds are either a flock, flight, or congregation, or a volary. So they're not specific to which kind of bird. Isn't it crow? Oh, wait, you say those. Crows are something cool, right? Murder of crows. Ravens are in unkindness.

Unkindness of ravenous. Shout out, shout out one tree hill. No, no, no. Crows are a murder, yeah, murder of crows. Do you know that male bears are called boars and female bears are called sows? No, I didn't know that. Yeah. So, so boars are sounder, a sounder of boars.

Oh, shit. A dazzle of zebras is a good one, too. Huh. Why do they need a specific? group titles like who decided this that's a good question this one's funny

I've never heard this one also walruses are called a pod a pod of walruses this one's funny as shit wasps it's a pledge of wasps yeah we don't we don't need all these why

no we have the word group is it like biologists that they're like hey we need to we need to figure out a way to market ourselves People were really bored before the internet. It's true. We were. I'm sure they have their reasons, man.

Very bored. But the question was, was there a reason as to why the National Parks don't keep like a database of everybody that's going missing? Yeah. So basically that was, so all these missing 411 can and missing people's group who actually like, you know, are Bigfoot truthers who think that Bigfoot's stealing all these people, they like point to this and say that that's the reason like you know an indication but when you sort of so basically i got into this because i was recommended to watch this documentary called missing 411 with this guy called david polytis um and i'm watching the whole thing it's explaining all of these instances of people going missing hunters people who shouldn't go missing

who go out with groups of people and then they look away for two seconds and the person's gone and they can't find any trace of them. They take dogs out. The dogs can't find them. They have these huge man hunts and can never find any trace of them.

And basically, you're seeing all these and you're like, oh man, like what could it be? And then like in the last like 10 minutes of the documentary, they basically say that it's Bigfoot. And you sort of get Trojan horse into watching this whole documentary

that invest you. And then there's a certain point where they start talking about, like, these three hunters who are in this place and, you know, the Sierra Nevada mountains, but they can't tell you where it is. And then it takes a sudden weird twist where you're just like, wait a second. Like, this is a big foot documentary. Yeah, at what point? Can you like, can you feel when the documentary starts a shift and you're like, they're going to big foot me in a second? I can feel this is taking a pseudo scientific turn. Yeah, the pseudo scientific turn.

was when for some reason the guy's beard whenever you see a guy with like a super dyed beard you know what I'm saying

kind of like a Billy Mays yeah type thing you know that some big shit's about to happen because he kind of gives off a bit of like a what's his face the guy who does the kung fu movies

Steven Seagal okay the guy gives off kind of a Stephen Segal type vibe and then all of a sudden once he was like yeah sometimes you can hear him in the woods we have footage of it and then it's like wait a second you had no footage for all these missing people but you have footage of people like making noises in the forest yeah and then it's just like he's like this can't be humans the the sound isn't like humans can't make these kinds of sounds yeah anytime somebody shows up in a documentary with an unusual haircut or like strange a non

mustache facial hair pattern, I immediately kind of label that guy. I'm like, I don't think this guy's a real scientist. Sometimes you'll get a scientist that has like a curly mustache. I think that's about it. But if it's like a legit scientist and they've got mutton chops, at that point I'm like, no, he's about to slip some big foot shit on me. So this David Polita's guy's a former police officer and he's written a bunch of books on missing 411 where he documents all these people who go missing and it's you know of the

1,000 or so that gone missing 411 are these unsolved ones that all sort of have similar things that make them similar and basically

one of them is also just having huge boulders around where the person goes missing like boulder fields and then at the end of the documentary he's like like they can

manipulate cell phone camera and that's why you can't see them anymore and they're like connected to UFOs and like whatever the Bigfoot have like ways to not be seen and they're like also sort of connected to aliens that kind of is that's where it kind of lost and you're like oh

oh that's that's where lost you listen you can you can give me something with Bigfoot you can give me some of aliens but it's total bullshit when I heard that they were saying aliens and Bigfoot was working together I was like nope I'm out like manipulating cell phone cameras but yeah but some of the stories are interesting honestly if you watch the any of those documentaries and just like turn it off before the big foot stuff

came on you'd be quite intrigued onto some of these stories because it's a bunch of like people showing up 30 miles from where they originally started who knew the area and shouldn't you know have been able to sort of disappear like they did it's it's quite it's pretty good But what is the, what is the, the rational explanation, Billy's rational explanation for why some of that stuff happens? A combination of hypothermia, cause me to take their clothes off when they're about, when they, when you get super cold in hypothermia, you just think you're on fire. So you take your clothes off and then you sometimes like fold them up and leave them places and then end up just walking in random directions before you end up in, you know, bodies of water where they usually get swept away. because when they're just in that hyperthermia mode, they just start walking and then they hit something like a river or a stream,

which ends up sweeping them away. And then some of it is there are a lot of people who live in these disappearing areas that are not necessarily feral humans, but they're more like homeless people who live on the Appalachian Trail. And I actually met a couple of trail hikers who literally don't have houses and they just walk on the Appalachian Trail. than the Pacific Northwest Trail and the Continental Divide,

and that's just how they live. They just do laps on the trail. So I would say that they are, that's as close to being a feral human as possible, right? They're a trail person, but trail people, I feel like trail people are kind, right? Yeah. They just kind of exist to live on the trail

and help people that are lost on the trail. Or like just connect with other trail hikers. Yeah, exactly. but it's I do think that a lot of like the national parks do provide a place where there's not that many eyes so like for example Gabby Petito can get mur like there can be murders in those places and can cause some of the disappearances but I do not in technically those people if they're living there and not outside they could say they're feral but I don't think they're living in cave systems and causing a bunch of stuff also did you oh go ahead and go ahead no go go ahead Oh, I didn't know if you were going to bring this up, Billy, but the family that was found dead and the dog was dead too. Oh, yeah. I feel like there is some shady something going on there. I think that might just be the CO2 type stuff.

But I saw TikTok about that too, but then the guy was like, do you know how much CO2 would have to be in the air? Because they were outdoors and then they were all killed. like which I guess that would be one of the only logical explanations but he's like you were outside in a mountain range where is all of this CO2 coming from from the lake bubbles in the lake it's all it's all pretty weird I think just people don't understand how for granted they take like living within 20 minutes of like society in a hospital whereas when you're out there they can't believe that someone just go disappear and also there are things that like to eat people in the national parks that were all sort of kind of neglecting their bears their grizzly bears so that's the big do they actually do they actually eat people like is actually like hungry bears eat people 100% really I said I thought they just like to kill I didn't know they actually like when they come on yeah when they come out of hibernation they will eat you what do you think is the thing that you guys would miss the most about if you had to

live in the middle let's just say you were dropped in the middle of yosemite you had a tent you had a sleeping bag you had a pillow you had like a little camp stove with some propane what would you miss the most about being out there walls digger yeah we do take walls for granted you know that i was um walls work arian foster facts they do all day um i was outside and i've ever been outside in houston during like summertime yeah like at night right right right before the sunset, these fucking mosquitoes and these bugs, they're just different. They're just a different kind of breed. And like when you're out in nature like that, you don't really recognize how important

walls are to get like insects off you and how much they bother. Like you see National Geographic and you see lions or something like that, right? And they just got flies draped all over them. And they just cool with that. And every now and then they're switched their tail. Like it's all good. Like that shit bothers me. Like it just, there's no way I can function.

I would just be like swatting all day. Like half the day I'm swatting. Yep. I think walls are really underrated. People are like, well, you need shelter to protect you against bears, protect you against the elements, things like that. We don't think about the insects. You don't think about the spiders just crawling on you all day. You don't think about ants just invading your your jeans that you're wearing. And I think the only way to keep mosquitoes out, what can you do? Just like build a fire. I think mosquitoes don't like smoke. Smoke. Yeah, don't like smoke. But still, I'm sure that a few of them are going to find their way around the smoke and get on you. have a ton of like citronella is that what in the citronella candles yeah but you're in nature there's no citronella deep there's no deep there's no deep yeah I think the I think the bugs might be the worst part yeah about just being dropped in the middle of nature that's what be getting people like on them like naked in the phrase shows like all them shifts it'd be the bugs bro like it'd be they can't sleep because they're getting bit like it's like the elements they can't

survive but it's the nighttime at bugs that's when like most people break they're like I can't sleep, cannot sleep. I'd like to go camping. I haven't been camping since college. It's fun. Really? Yeah. What was that really?

Like, you think that people just go camping all the time? I've never been camping. Never. No. Not even as a kid? My family isn't that outdoorsy. It's something you got to do, for sure. I've been, like, to, like, the woods.

Macrodose thinks you should go camping. Yeah, I've never, but I've never, I've never slept in, I've never slept in the tent outdoors. I had a phase when I was little where I'd set up a tent in my house full tent in my house but I was I would never go in the woods We should set up a camping trip Where do you go camping around here?

Tell ghost stories I mean There's some requirements We could go glamping Yeah I want to go glamping I don't know what that is what is that Glammer's camping I'm done with that

I will I will be bringing I will be bringing my firearm I will be Hell yeah 20 30 minutes Like I need to be able to see civilization I'm not going deep in no fucking woods No I'm I will need walls

There's like a cabin or some shit though What about an RV? Cabin seems like a nice call All day all day Cabin RV I'm in What about one of those Have you guys seen those things on social This might be a girl thing that I'm bringing up

But those getaway houses Like small ones I looked into that yeah or maybe the van or maybe we go vanning yeah honestly i'm out on vanning yeah those whole that whole gabby case like really ruined banning yeah what is vanning well so basically what happened is there's a bunch of social influencers who have been you know driving cross country living out of a van like redesigning yeah redesigning old like cargo vans like making them you know livable it's honestly awesome and that sounds amazing you get killed

Yeah. And, you know, they've all been basically living off of, you know, royalties from whatever content they're producing and just living out of the van, posting pictures, you know, living the influencer lifestyle. And then two of them who are a couple, one of them ends up killing the other one and is now on the run. Oh, you mentioned that last. Yeah. So sort of kind of ruined the whole vanning, Vanning Lower. Statistically, now it's probably the safest time to go vanny

right after something bad happens, right? Dude, honestly, or it's giving people ideas. Imagine dating someone and then they end up

killing you? That would suck. Like, how do you trust? That's what happened in my house when I can same shit. Like,

how do you think you know somebody then they kill you? I can't imagine. I'm pretty paranoid about that action. I'm more often than not, I'm thinking somebody

I know is going to kill me. Well, that's what That's most of the killings, yeah. So I'm right. You're very rarely killed by someone you, like that's where I feel like, and maybe this is a terrible thing to say, this is where I feel like a lot of serial killers fuck up.

They leave, like, very clear and obvious patterns. It's never just killing it random. That's the best, if you went state to state, you had no connection anywhere and you were just killing it random, you could get away with that for a long time. There you go. Serial killer tips by Cooley on Macrodosie. Stay tuned.

where we show you how to drown babies next episode. Pro serial killer and cannibal anti-free speech show. Hell yeah. Or you just dude in a national park. That guy did not get it. Very famously has not gotten away with it. I know. I don't know if I remember this story I told you all.

I said it and everybody was like, hmm. Okay. Anyway, bro, I was in fucking, what's the, what's the park in New York City? Central Park. I was in Central Park and it was nighttime. And I was with my then show. and she walked off ahead of me, and I seen this dude go after her. I catch up to her, and I got my eyes on, buddy.

And as soon as he sees me in the light, he turns around. Like, he was about to get him one. Like, that was crazy. Like, last time I told that story, I was like, cool. I almost got murdered. Nobody cares. That's just the price of living the best city on earth. Is it the best city on earth?

Yeah, man. That's just New York. Might get murdered in Central Park. Amazing. I'm also worried if I ever like I had a short stint when I was on like dating apps and I would be like what if I die? Like what if I just what if I just get killed like that happened recently a girl was a girl was killed on a Tinder date and then yeah stuffed in a like plastic box and then they have So, so specific. It was like one of those, like, you know, plastic storage containers.

And they had security footage of the guy walking in with her to wherever they were. Do you think he's dead? And then he walks out with this box and it was her body in it. So when it comes to being out in nature, though, when you're around a bunch of people, do you get the feeling that like if it's just you isolated in the woods, maybe with one or two other people, you're way more likely to get paranoid when you're totally away from everything. And you start to like look at people and you're like, this person wants to. kill me like lord of the flies yeah exactly that's scary because like what if you literally took

us like we have a pretty good working relationship no i want to kill you frequently and then we just throw it i we openly say that though no but then you just throw us outside of civilization you think how fast you think we break down i think you would kill me in the first day i think you would kill everyone in the first day out of paranoia you think i would do it i think you'd flip out i was the only one who said that they're paranoid of other people killing them is aryan i don't know i could see bill i mean billy gets probably i would be i would be i would be i would be afraid that Aryan would kill us for the for my nutrition for my meat only one person I'm not a cannibal was it only one person is admit to bringing a gun to the camping trip wait how I'm I will

definitely be bringing my weapon dog I listen I don't trust people I think people always want to kill me right so like matter of fact we was in New York I was with uh with the home girl and we was right I think we took it was like in a Bronx somewhere like we was just train riding right and like some dude comes she just starts talking to this dude like for directions. I'm like, stuff, what are you doing? Stop fucking talking to people. Like if we're, and that's in the city.

If we're in the outskirts, if we're in the woods, I'm not a friendly camper. I'm not, I'm not talking to nobody. They're going to know where we're at. Like, no, we're not having no conversations. There will be no, none of that. We just handle our business in the woods and go on about our business. Like, we can't, you can't invite.

That's how a horror movie start. How long would Big T last before killing Billy? I don't think, I don't think Big T. T's got the boss to kill Billy. I don't. I don't. The thing is, oh, wait, I agree. All right, you know what Big T just straight up admitted that he would commit a murder. That's not what I know. Yeah. That's what you do. The thing is, I don't think any of us have the twisted psychopathy to actually like randomly kill someone. No, probably not. Yeah. But you're describing killing you would be

all that random. Well, you're describing, well, he's describing a situation in which it's not random. Like, you're out in the woods and you need fucking food. No, but we're, we're, But the thing is that what humans realize and why we're like the most advanced species is that we realize that it's actually more beneficial to work together to get resources than it is to kill one another. But it's more of the thing, which also has been brought up in the Gabby-Patito case where it's what like you're isolated with one or two people and you just snap. And it's not it's not like you were, it's not a premedit. premeditated thing, it's you snap and do something that you may or may not have wanted to do. So I actually think that it was, his whole thing was totally premeditated. Oh, you do.

See, my theory is that it was like a mental snap and now he's like nervous and that's why he's on the no, because he's a huge fan of the author that wrote the Fight Club books. Oh, and Lullaby or is that the book he was reading? Yeah, and he wrote another book about going on a cross-country road trip with his, yeah, I saw Yeah, and killing his girlfriend. And then going on the run. Yeah, that's true. I mean, he's reenacting a book.

Right. I mean, I know that's... He's cosplay. Yeah, he's... Yeah, worse. But I also think he wasn't always up there, right? And he, in all of his posts, they're all sort of eco. Yeah, he's really into the earth.

Yeah, but like eco-terrorist vibes. Eco-fascist? Is that the word? That's a branch of... political thought. I don't even want to say it's like political thought. It's just like basically

you're kind of a terrorist but eco-fascists. That's what the Unabomber was. What does that mean? It means that when you reach a point where you're, you've become convinced that society is damaging

the world so badly and not just, I'm not just talking about like, it's not super left or super right. It's, um, you just hate people and you hate different minorities. groups you hate different groups of people and the impact that they've had on just the world

around you and the only way to survive at that point is to like kill people that are standing in the way of what you have and what you need also like you lost me at the kill part but up to that point that's what i but for example this guy like hated how many tourists there were at all the national parks that he visited he was like the only like only humans could try to preserve nature and by doing it litter nature with more too many humans. Meanwhile,

he's a human in the park. He's like, what the fuck is up with all these people? He walks. He walks. He walks. Besides me. Do you want me to read his last Instagram caption? Actually ties in very well to what we've already been saying. So he last posted on August

13th, so a month and a half ago. And also for context, that was the day after the body cam footage that we talked about with the domestic dispute. But he starts it, he's barefoot. I want to make clear to everyone, he's barefoot in Moab. So it's with a bunch of rocks and it's saying, humans are primates, great apes, in fact, but I don't know all how great we are as a species.

Chimpanzees share 98.8% of their DNAs used the wrong form of their with humans, our closest living relative. But as I see it, every living creature is in some way. our relative, even trees. Only 800 million years ago, animal cells started appearing on Earth comprised mainly of the same parts and following the same functions

as plant cells, yada, yada, yada. This tree doesn't require an Apple Watch. It doesn't stream its favorite shows or have a microwave oven, pay health insurance, or drink Grande iced caramel macchiados. It is just a tree, but you rarely see geese riding jet skis or wearing designer clothing either. I think if we all want breathable air

and drinkable water we all need to learn how to live with less, a. I agree. Yeah, he, he... I agree with my

he was spitting facts right there, man. I disagree with his rarely point. I've never seen a goose ride, uh, jet,

uh, or where, but there's this guy, where's he from? He's from Florida. No, he's from Rhode Island. Oh,

isn't it? I thought he was from Long Island and his parents moved down to Florida. Yeah. But he has Florida ties. Yeah. That makes sense.

But it's so hypocritical because he's doing exactly what he's pissed about. That's what I don't get. Well, he's gone minimalist. But he's still driving in a van, producing pollution across the United States, posting on Instagram for an audience. Yeah, but he's definitely, like, he rejected living in a city or town. He's rejecting modern society, except like he's still addicted to clout. Yeah. that's what you know what that's what henry david thoreau was doing when he lived at walden pond

he went out there he's like you know what i'm going to go off the grid entirely i'm not going to talk to anybody he lived like two miles from society and would go into town and like sell a shit then go back to the cabin then i'm going to write a bestselling book and distribute it through all these uh chains of modern uh engineering that we have right now it's pretty much the same thing it's the it's the way to go though it's like uh i'm He had a book. It's called Ideas and Opinions. And that's what he's basically talking about. He's like, I love the idea of like philanthropy. I love like we're helping people because like I just don't like people enough to get involved with it. I'm with them. I understand that

thought process. It's like I love the fact of helping people and being involved in a society and culture. I don't really like you, motherfucker. This is what it is. And that's okay. Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of shit that we support that we just don't, we don't feel like we support in theory, but we don't feel like taking the time to actually do anything about it. But I actually, I don't think that that's necessarily a hypocritical thing because

you don't, there's just not enough time or energy. Yeah. To put an effort to like physically support and like financially support every single cause that you believe in at any given time. Yeah, just pick it, pick a lane and like, yeah, I support that from a distance. Yep. I got

your back morally. Also, R.P. Gabby Petito. RIP Gabby? Yeah. It's terrible story. They found her. Yeah, they found her remains. Yeah, they found her remains.

So this dude's dead, right? No. No, I think he's living. He's a feral human. He went accidentally live on his Instagram last week for like three seconds. And the whole thing was just the water, like the ocean. Huh. How do you go accident?

So he was like trying to go accidentally live. He was trying to post a stories or something? No, it was alive. but well he hasn't been active on his Instagram and so people think that either someone was on his Instagram like trying to help him out and like posting that to throw them off trails

or he actually did which you can't really go accidentally live you have to be trying to post your stories or something right yeah so it would take a lot of accidents to make that happen so some people think that it was to throw investigators off the trail

someone was doing it for him so that was just a random person with his account in like a random place and he's completely somewhere else or he actually did and he's like in the middle of the Gulf of Mexico haven't they been searching this like crocodile infested place for like

weeks now and like this guy was like yeah if he was in here he'd be dead so you guys are wasting your time yeah they stopped searching there it seems so planned out I feel like the authorities know more than they're giving off yeah especially because they probably don't want to

spook him right because you got to think about that where would you guys go if you were to have to live outside somewhere and try to stay off the grid for as long as possible where do you think you'd be the happiest or where do you think you'd survive the longest what environment if we're talking

like in the United States Upper Peninsula of Michigan sounds nice yeah yeah You're the summertime. Yeah. Well, that's true. The Great Lakes region is always, I think, is going to be a very sought after land in the coming years. Well, I'm from there, so they would go looking for them because of the fresh water.

Okay. So I just went to and I just had a little, a little vacate, right? I have a group of people I played Dungeons and Dragons with and it's the nerdy shit in the world, but it's really cool. No, Dungeons and Dragons is awesome. We do it on PMT sometimes. It's really fun. And so we've been playing for like a year or something like that. And they were like, let's all have a trip.

And they told me, like most of them are from Michigan. And then it was like, they told me where it was going to be. And I was like, yeah, I'll make the trip. And so I made a trip. And so I landed in Traverse City. Traverse City. Cherry Capital of the world. That's the best place.

Yeah. And then so then we drove to Northport. And it was like this little beach house in Northport. My G, it was like one of the most beautiful. places i've ever seen and i'm like how is this a secret like upper michigan is insanely beautiful yeah it's cheap as far to buy land up there too the problem is if it's october through you know late april it's just cold as shit up there and everything's frozen over prince you know what prince said about uh minnesota and that sort of area of the world what do you say

the cold keeps the bad people away yeah that's what prince said you got to want to it to be there or the mean people i don't know i get yeah i don't get happier when i'm cold though yeah i don't really know what that was about that's why that's why i was just saying i was just saying this someone the other day i when i was living in new york i was so much preferred the winter to the summer there's no one in your way the subways aren't as crowded like yeah it's cold But New York, you're barely outside anyways. We're walking to a train station that's on every single corner. Like, you don't have to have a can of a goose or anything like that.

You can wear pretty much a hoodie. It doesn't really matter. And the streets are, except for the deceptive curbs that you step off all year in the spring. But for whatever reason, when it's that slush mixture, it goes up to your thigh. Yeah, there's nothing worse than hot muggy New York summer. Terrible. I'm a cold, like, like, it's just the kind of opposite of my people, man, but I would much rather be cold than hot because I feel like when you're cold, you can get hot. Like, you can't get cold when you're hot.

Like, there's nothing you can do. You just stuck and you're sweaty and you sticky. It's like, you can't wear a gray ever, ever. Yeah, gray's bad news. You just sweat right through it. I think I would, I would probably say somewhere in the Pacific Northwest. I feel like that's mild enough. so it's usually, you know, in between 40 and 70 degrees outside.

Doesn't get too cold, usually, doesn't get too hot, usually. A lot of fresh water up there. Huh. It's nice outside. A lot of Subaru Outbacks driving around. I feel like no, like those Carolina regions. Smoky mountains. Outer banks?

Yeah. I feel like that's pretty temperate. I think Kitty Hawk is like a national park. I know it's a national monument. There might be some national land around there where the Wright brothers flew. But, yeah, the Outer Banks is really nice and pretty moderate, but it does get bad storms. It gets hurricanes. Yeah.

If we're confined to the outdoors, which is so strange series of words. But if we have to be outdoors, it's got to be somewhere where it's like temperature controlled. But hurricanes are pretty tough if you're outside, just staring those in the face. I don't know. Isn't San Diego, like it's supposed to be like the best. weather in the United States. Yeah, but there's no, there's no place to live outside there. What about Denver?

San Diego is awesome, though. If you ever want to be really, really pissed off, just look up what the weather is in San Diego. And it's just gorgeous. Denver would high school in San Diego. Yeah? You like it? I love it.

It's like a hidden gym. Like people don't talk about San Diego. Like, L.A. is a destination spot. New York destination spot. Like all these big cities. But San Diego is like, person it's like it's like the median between small town and big city it's really it's really dope though it's 67 there right now

six of course it is beautiful of course it is it's hotter here yeah yeah and they're in southern california 67 it's probably sunny yep sunny 70% humidity oh that's that's you said 70 that's a little too high i i was on a walk i was on a walk here last week so mid-september at 9 p.m. um Don't kill me if you're in New York. It was 85% humidity at 9 p.m. Yeah, that's tough. That's so disgusting.

Although September in New York is very underrated month. It's awesome. Outside, it's great. And way to go, Mad Dog. Now you just let every psycho out there know that you live in New York City. Well, I don't want them. Last week she incriminated herself and this week she's just giving away her address. I'm so nervous.

She dropped a pen. She did ask politely not to be killed, though. I think that's fair. Several people commented or like reached out. to me saying like they're legitimately nervous if someone in the government is listening to our podcast and I'm going to get arrested. I didn't

have an address. Did you say seven people research? No, I said several. I was like, why so specific? I got you. Someone said that I clearly gave intent to avoid taxes. No, I'm literally trying to pay the taxes. It's just

really hard. We're trying our best. We are trying our best. We are trying our best. It's the whole thing that we were saying earlier. We're trying our best with the information that we were given at the time. Fuck that. Big Tee this bitch. Go all in with no information.

What? I was playing Big T. Big Tee, where would you live? Rocking Mountains. What you mean? Well, I was going to, so, like, is our goal just a national park with, like, good weather? Like, what are we going for? It depends on what you're in the mood for. Well, I was going to say, like, Smoky Mountains seems pretty,

like fairly temperate climate like a nice East Tennessee beautiful foliage, nice location Not like a crazy cold Like It gets pretty cold But I mean nothing like crazy Is that where they have the triple marathon?

I can't remember the name of that documentary But the one that's like three You have to run three consecutive marathons I don't know about that but I know it's in Tennessee It might not be the smoking mountains But I know it's Tennessee That sounds crazy

this is wildly unrelated but i seen coli flossing and then so remind me in one of my homegirls that was flossing right she was flossing and then she had one of those what is that called the small ones not the stintech yeah it's a little pick right comes on a little plastic thing on the string and she flosses and she does that and then she eats whatever's on the string and i was like i was like my nigga when she's like what like it's already in your mouth fair point i just never have thought i just never have thought i just I just have never thought to just, I've never thought to do, is that normal? Do people do that? I think it's, it's probably exceptionally gross to watch somebody else do it. Definitely. But I probably have done it in the past. I'm just thinking back right now. I don't make a habit of doing it.

But I think I probably have, but if you see somebody else doing it or you hear somebody else talking about it, it's pretty fucking gross. Yeah. If it's on the stick for me, I just get that out of here. but if it like falls off into my mouth like it feels like more of a hassle to spit it out I saw so my go to is and this is probably

environmentally unsound I stand in front of the faucet and I use string and then I floss and if something's on it I wash it off like yeah that's fair definitely don't put that back in your mouth that's that feels not nah that's weird okay I'm sorry that that was

that was a boggle Coley the uh the Barkley Marathon is held at Frozenhead State Park in Wartburg, Tennessee, which is like East Tennessee. If you're still looking for documentaries, this one's crazy. The full course is 100 miles, and the race is limited to a 60-hour period. If runners complete 60 miles, this is known as a, quote, fun run. Oh, geez.

So it's 60 miles. No, it's 100 miles. 100 miles, and you have 60 hours? Yes. So what's that pace? it was it would actually be a mile and a half maybe a decent episode but it was based on I can't remember which like old timey famous criminal was locked up and where they found him and that's what they like where the police finally found him and they were like it was kind of like when the two guys broke out of Alcatraz like could they have swam to shore the the Barclay course was designed by Gary Cantrell his idea for the race was inspired upon hearing about the 1977 escape of James Earl Ray, the assassin of Martin Luther King Jr. from nearby Brushy Mountain State Penitentiary.

So he, wait, he got inspired by James Earl Ray's escape and decided to commemorate that Ray, Ray covered more how, because the mountain, the reason the jail is where it is, because the terrain around it is so unforgiving. And so, like the jail kind of polices itself by being so, like, even if you broke out of it, much like Alcatraz, there would be. nowhere for you to go and survive if i remember if i'm remembering correctly ray covered only eight miles after running 55 hours in the woods cantrell said to himself i could do at least a hundred and thus the barclay marathon was born right so it was like two guys who were who grew up as cross-country runners

who were basically mocking this guy for only getting eight miles and 55 hours he was like listen if you gave me that kind of head start i could easily get a hundred miles away and that's where the the race can they use the same terrain it's like impossible to register for you have to like be you have to get invited and and you have to like there's no entry fee it's the guy who runs it will charge you like basically whatever new clothing item he needs

on a given year he's like I'm out of undershirts so every the 50 or 100 people who participate will all have to bring undershirts and then like you can run it however you want you have to You go clockwise, then counterclockwise, then clockwise again throughout the course. The course is not marked. There are random books that the guy hides throughout the course that you have to rip out a page to bring back his proof that you hit every checkpoint. It's an absurd race.

It's the most absurd race that exists in the planet. Jesus. I don't know why anybody would ever do that. Why anyone ever runs more than like five miles ever is a mystery to me. I don't get it. It's been completed 18. times by 15 runners as of 2021

what about the super marathons have you guys seen those they have like in Baja California I think they've got some crazy outdoor races where people run shoeless yeah yeah so those those are the people who try and get invited to this one

in Tennessee and when they show up they're like fuck this I'm going back to Baja damn Big T you want to give a shot I do not no I feel like the race that's most up my alley it's it's in north carolina it's like it's either a five or a 10k and in the middle of it you have to eat a dozen crispy cream donuts i feel like i'm just

able enough that i could run that distance and i'm also i would destroy people at eating the donuts so i think that's like right that's my race there's a uh so i'm looking up the the history of the Barclay Marathons right now. There's a website out there. Forget the name of the online forum, but it's something, I think it might be Runner's World Forum. And they are the best people at solving any sort of mystery on the internet. It's like them and then Hogville's plane trackers. Those are the two best at what they do. The Runner's World forums, they catch every cheater that's ever competed in these races because people log their finishing times on there. And then the people on the forms go back, compare them, compare their certain splits compared to their training splits and

things like that. And they've documented like serial cheaters and caught some of the best runners in America and like out of them as being complete in total frauds when it comes to their times. I want to see what they have to say about about the Barkley marathons if they're able to track people because it sounds like you're not you're not like logging your stuff in on your whoop app with your GPS. Like it's old school. You're tearing out pictures of a book or pages of a book that's probably pretty tough to cheat at right yeah because how would you know what books there are i think you have to get corresponding pages to uh like i'm pretty sure you're given like a list of pages to get it's not even just like whatever page it's the top one you

rip so like it's yeah it's it's a good documentary it was on netflix it might be on amazon right it's certainly available to be streamed but it's where dreams go to die gary robins in the barclay marathons i thought it was just called the barkley marathon okay because there's one on on youtube right now that is 2.3 million views that might be good one too everyone who competes in this race that i'm seeing right now has a giant beard so yeah a lot of beards i like that a lot um billy got anything more about disappearances in national parks i do like the theory that teddy roosevelt set them up because he's trying to either keep people out or keep people in. Yeah.

I don't know which one of it is yet. I was really interested at that thing Coley mentioned yes, last week about the place in that national park where like it's basically lawless. Yeah. The zone of death? Yep. That's just, that's crazy. It's like sort of the loophole was sort of closed with the guy who shot the elk.

that went to the Supreme Court The Supreme Court ruled on it Yeah, TikTok's just been going crazy On National Parks lately since this whole murder case Well, we're going to get a bunch of copycats now Oh shit Not necessarily copycat killers But just people that are thinking

That they're solving mysteries out there Yeah That aren't actually real There probably will be somebody that gets lost Trying to make TikToks About trying to find somebody who's lost In a national park well dog the bounty hunter is hunting the guy down i saw that yeah yeah so imagine you're so

in deep with something like that that dog the bounty hunter is after you i'd get terrified shit my pants uh registration doesn't appear to be open yet but does anybody want to run the crispy cream challenge with me in february i'm gonna pass it's two and a half what is what is it what is so you it's in raleigh north carolina you run two and a half miles you eat 12 crispy cream donuts then you run two and a half miles back oh i can do that 100 cent oh you're gonna shit yourself or throw up or something i think that'd be a good a good podcast retreat i'm straddle i don't like long business running man i don't like running at all actually so i'm gonna pass on that neither do i but i do love eating donuts so we could just go get some donuts my nigga yeah but this is like this would be a

funny video it would be a funny video that's sure it would be funny wait are they still doing the vaccine, crispy creams if you're vaxed? I don't know. I think they probably that was probably a limited time thing. I can't imagine that they kept that going for forever. They probably run out of donuts at some point.

So we're all cleaned up on the National Park things? Yeah. Okay. It's more of like a statistical anonymily. Anonymous. Anonomily. Anomily. Anomily.

There we go. Like out of all the people who disappeared and there was no trace, like it's not statistically different than the rest of the United States. All right. These people just went missing in the woods. Well, you guys want to switch over to the nanodosing, the last ever voicemail nanodose? Yeah, do you want to do underwear?

Yeah, we'll do big T's underwear, big T. Wait, are we getting rid of the voicemails? No, we're going to. Did you miss it? I know, but, but are we still going to do. voice. We'll do the voicemails in this episode. In the show. Pay attention for the cops down. We didn't, we just

said we weren't doing them anymore. This is the last time that we will have voicemails in the nanodosing. From this point forward, we're going to be reviewing the art of war chapter by chapter in the nanodosing. What happens when we get through art of war? We'll have to find another book. Oh. Do we do like art of the deal?

We just do it. Just different artists. We're just due to arts. Art Thursday. All right. Arian, what color is it? A lot of gray today. Black, honey. Black. What is that?

That's blue. Light blue. Damn, light blue. I think, shit. I think blue might be the most frequent color. You have a lot of blue. It is. It is.

Starting to narrow it down. All right. Well, thank you for tuning into this week's macrodosing. We love you guys. Quickly. Before, someone handed me that box. It was for you. Do you want to open it on the show?

It's from the Washington football team. Yeah, let's see what we got here. Oh, wow. It's time for another unboxing. It's time for another unboxing. Wait, what is this? For another unboxing. PFT got a PR package from the Washington football team.

Let's see what's in the box. Oh, it's got a seal on it. What is that from? What? It's Frank. Frank's unboxing videos. It's time for another unboxing. big game this week for the football team

it's always big game falcons that's right it's rivalry week me versus big tea and then the next week is the jets you want to do a mares bet on a big tea a marriage bet a mares a mayor's bet like you know how mares always bet like m a y o r i'll send you uh one of our famous prescels i don't i don't put my faith in the atlanta falcons that's smart mark yeah genius oh wow guys are going to ever throw to Kyle Pitts?

It seems unlikely. Let's see what we got here. We got some dry fit shirts, Washington football team. They got my size, extra medium. A polo shirt. Oh, it says, fan ambassador, embroidered fan ambassador on there. This is my official kit.

My full kit. It's a visor. I've never been a visor guy, but I might have to become a visor guy. What is this? What is this? A little tote? I got a little tote bag here.

What does it say? It's a bunch of different jerseys. It looks like a Chris Cooley jersey and maybe a Jason Campbell. I don't know. Legends. All right. Well, that was unboxing. Oh, a water bottle.

I need that for hydration. Okay. Well, tune in to nanodosing and we will see you guys next week. Big episode next week and big nanodosing next week. Love you guys. Hmm. Mm. Mm.

Mm. Mm. Oh. Mm. Thank you.