Macrodosing: Arian Foster and PFT Commenter - Oscar De La Hoya Says Jake Paul Would Beat Logan Paul

Episode Date: August 1, 2023

On today's episode the whole gang interviews American boxing promoter and former professional boxer, Oscar De La Hoya. They get into Oscar's fighting career, that time he almost ran for president, what it feels like to fight in the ring and he even give Billy some boxing tips. Plus with Billy and PFT away on Grit week, Big T and Arian intro the episode and discuss Elon Musk and X, moving to Chicago and try to change each other's minds on specific topics.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/macrodosing

Hey, macrodosing listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon music. Here's the entire fight. Jose Canseca, the baseball player. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And there's the right hook. They're going to, boom.

That I put him down. Oh, and then he hit him on the ground. Did you see that last? Yeah, yeah. A lot of people think that he just fell down. I know I hit him with a right to the temple and he just went down. Yeah. Yeah.

So, hey, that was actually a good. Overhand right. Yeah. To the temple, right? Yeah. That's what I got him with. I put him down. Aaron here, along with my dog, Big T.

And it's just me and him today. It's going to be an odd couple episodes. Just be me and my dog We ride and I guess it's Grit Week I still don't know what the fuck Grit Week is I've been a part of this company for three years And they always say they're leaving for Grit Week What is Grit Week?

They just go to NFL training camps And interview people it started The first one they did was like They rode around in a van And ate crazy shit And like there was it was grit week And now they they fly private And go to NFL training camps

And interview the best players in the NFL it's just just break week yeah yeah yeah pf t's on vacation yeah vacation week for again he's he's even doing a lot of vacations man shout out to him i didn't say that well uh yeah so it's just that's today man uh i guess billy's doing a great week everybody's moving to chicago big big moves going on in the pod thanks to y'all we appreciate it um yeah the pot's growing we love it we love you all most of y'all stay the fuck up my man's what your dog takes um but But as always, the part today is brought to you by 3-T of all things in life. One of the best things has to be getting high wherever you want, whenever you want,

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There we go. That was a struggle, man. I can read. I read often. I don't know why. Every time I do ads. I know words. I know the best words.

I don't know them. apparently man god damn but anyway welcome back y'all uh yeah just a odd couple today me a big t should be fun and we got a uh uh uh interview with oscar delahoya which was really dope really really in depth and uh yeah i just thought it was all around great interview man today and we're gonna have a little fun today and everyone did that not just me and you that was we recorded that last week that was that was pft and all the whole gang was they recorded that last week um So that should be cool. So what's up, man?

I see you in your Chicago apartment, sunshining. Yeah, dude, moving is the worst thing that anyone could ever do. Hate it. It's, I had, I texted y'all this weekend three different times. I was like, this is going to be teed off. And then it kept getting one-uped by something else going wrong. So I have like four. Oh, I can't wait.

It's just, it's, everything goes wrong. there's nobody knows what they're supposed to be doing it takes everything gets delayed from the time they told you it's going to get there my mom my mom moved from alana to san antonio i bought her house in san antonio and she was stressed out with moving like what i'm talking show i mean she's crying she's literally in tears calling me like nothing's going to wear honestly and granted she's a little bit dramatic with the shit but she is sitting there she's crying And one of the funniest things that happened is, she has this table that she just absolutely loves. Like, it's her dining room table and she just is obsessed with the table.

They fucking ruined it. And she was in tears, dog. But the way they ruined it was the funniest shit ever. I guess they had to like deconstruct it in order to move it. So they show up and the table just doesn't have legs. They're just like, we don't have the legs. And she's like, what do you mean you don't have the legs? And like, it was a whole ordeal.

She's about to sue. It was a big-ass thing. How you lose the main thing of a table or legs? No, that sounds about right. Shit, it's funny. But it's also why I do not and I refuse to take part in the moving process. Because when I was younger, we were so broke that we just moved around so much that I got, I just got sick of that shit.

And so anytime I have to move now, I just pay people to do it. I pay people to, I refuse. Like, that is worth them because the hassle and the headache that comes from moving. moving it to me it's not worth to stress in your life agreed we have i've had tvs mounted off level i've had mattress get delayed i've had you name it it has happened this weekend and i'm just i'm so over it the apartment's great um chicago seems to be cool but the moving process horrible yeah i don't fuck with it yeah i've never really been to chic to chicago any kind of real way I went to um I went to you're a funny story uh I had a had to do him because like

when I when I went vegan in in the league in 2012 it was like headline news like skip Bayless and Stephen A. Smith was arguing about shit I go v it was like it was like big right because nobody was vegan at the time there were no vegan restaurants and so like I always get like these food opportunity speaking engagements and uh usually like what I'll do is like I'll get one to come across the table and like I'll go and then I'll the dude will hit me up my man's will hit me of the day before but tell me what it's about and so before I go we went to a habachi grill went to habachi grill and I that night my lips started swelling like crazy and I started getting like these hives and I'm like what the fuck is going on and kind of found out it was a small

allergy to shrimp to seafood. And so I thought I had a seafood allergy that just popped up out of nowhere. I think maybe now looking back, I just got a bad batch or something. But, so my lips was swollen. My throat was itchy and it was crazy.

And that was the day before I had to leave. I ended up taking a whole bunch of Benadryl. It was fine. And I get there. I get to Chicago. And so my man hits me up the day before. And he goes, okay, this is a, this is a food allergy summit. Like, I had to talk to kids that had, like, real food allergies that were, like, that

would, like, debilitate them. I'm talking, like, like, people were allergic to peanuts and, like, water, shit like that. Like, crazy shit, like, they were, and I had no, I had no idea where I was going there. I had never been allergic to anything in my life, but, like, luckily, the day before, I had a food allergy. And so I was standing up talking to all these people. and it ended up being pretty cool because I ended up meeting all kinds of people

that helped me get in touch with the right people to see what the fuck I had because I didn't know but it was dope listen to all the kids it was a funny-ass story because I was like I had never had food allergy before

so but but you're it wasn't an allergy so I took a test and like it was have you ever took a food allergy test it's like they pricked all these different things the doctor was like I don't know I can't really

it's not really clear and so what I think it was was just I had a bad batch of something like maybe there was something in the shrimp that they cooked it with I don't know like some something's wrong with it but I didn't eat seafood for like two years after that and then one day I was just like

fucking I'm doing it and I've been eating it ever since I had that problem but that's your that's your one Chicago experience Chicago experience yeah did you ever play the bears yeah but I don't count that I don't count game because like it's not the end The NBA is different, and the MLB is different.

Like, when you travel the cities, like, they allow you to go around the town. Right. We had a curfew, they're saying? Like, we could maybe go out to dinner, and then we had to be in meetings by eight. You know what I'm saying? And then we had to be in bed by, like, 10. Like, and they have, you know, bed checkers and shit. And so, like, I would go to places, but I never really looked at the city.

Yeah. There was one time I went there. My agent, my agency, my first agency, I think, was, was based in Chicago. And I think when I went, the river was green. St. Patrick's Day. Yeah, yeah. And that's, that's, that's, so those are my two Chicago experiences.

I know, but like, I hear good things about it. My, my initial Chicago observation is the lack of foot traffic is startling coming from New York. Like New York doesn't matter what time of day you walk on the sidewalk. There's a ton of people. nobody is out walking anywhere we were i went to like a nice restaurant on saturday night on the river like beautiful weather 7 30 there's nobody out like nobody anywhere and then yesterday i was at um this like mall type thing that uh i went to see a movie and the movie theater was in there it was like sunday 12 o'clock nobody in there like it's just there's nobody

anywhere. I'm starting to develop a theory. This might be a St. Louis type situation. I've never been to St. Louis either. I think I talked about it on the podcast. St. Louis is fake. It's a it's a sci-op. It's not a real place.

I'm a play to St. Louis, too. I got to give it a couple weeks, but Chicago has some odd vibes to it. But the parts I've seen have been good. It seems like a good town. I think you just used to New York, man, where It's just people everywhere.

This might be a good change. If we might see a little softer side of Big T, because you got that angry New York vibe, Big T, a lot. You know what I mean? That's true. And I think this might bring you back down to that good old Georgia. Well, there are, well, let's not compare Chicago to like, you know, good parts of the country. But it is definitely, it's definitely a much different city than New York.

So do you say the differences so far is like foot traffic? yeah like crowdedness um i guess people are nicer that i've encountered for the most part oh yeah yeah um i now there is a this was going to be my original teed off was the let's get it to do you teed off so i i mentioned the other two i had a mattress thing get fucked whatever And then this guy came to mount my TVs and did it completely off level. You could have eyeballed it better than this guy did it and had already drilled the holes into the wall and put the mount up and it was completely off level. And then so I ended up getting charged for the amount of time that he made it worse off than I started anyway. But the original teed off was going to be the first restaurant I went to, I got the check.

and there's a, I think it was 3%. It says employee health. I think it just said employee health. And then at the bottom of your bill, it says, we tack on. I think it's like a, I don't know if it's a citywide or a statewide thing, but it's like there's a 3% employee health insurance tax

so that the restaurants can pay their employees health insurance. That's what you're supposed to be doing anyway. That's not my job. We might agree on that one. Yeah. That's crazy. But, oh, so here's, but the kicker is it says, so they put it on there when you get the bill and that says, if you want, you can request to have it taken off. And even I don't have the balls to do that.

Excuse me. Can you take your fucking sick ass shit off? The bill would have to be, it'd have to be $500. dollars for me to because then it'd be what 15 $15 I would ask to have it taken off do it but when it's you know two bucks like it's just annoying but that is crazy I'm with you pay your fucking just make the food more than I'm with I'm with just just raise the price of everything 50 cents and nobody would be the wiser I'm not I'm not in disagree I've never heard of that though uh is that a Chicago thing I've never heard of

I'd never seen it until I got here. I heard from somebody that it was a statewide thing, but I don't know if that's accurate or not. I can't imagine in some parts of Illinois people are paying that. Like the rule of parts? Yeah. They don't know it's general state sales and usage tax 6.25% on general merchandise to include that I was required. Now, I don't think that's.

That's just sales tax, though. Yeah. It must just be Chicago. I'm unsure I have to do a little bigger I don't think that is a There might just been that That restaurant

No but I've heard other people talk about it At other restaurants It didn't happen at the other restaurant I've been to But I heard Yeah here's an article Restaurants adding surcharge to cover employee Healthcare costs So I mind the sentiment

Like I don't mind a sentiment Like I don't mind a sentiment because it just bothers me because, you know, I get too deeply positive. I think health care is right. And so I think it should be something that is already taken care of. But so I don't, I don't mind the sentiment of me helping somebody get health care. But it's just, I don't, I think it's a collective responsibility. I don't think it's an individual responsibility as far as me paying for it specific. Yeah, like that's what you're, you hire people. That's what you're paying them for and it's and it's they're already it's really the you're not even paying the employee

you're paying the employer because they're already paying for the health insurance so you're paying them back for it yeah i think i mentioned this too one time i went to germany and um i left a tip and they were like no no tips i'm like you know why not and they were like because we get paid enough like we're good like over there like the waiters and the waitresses they get paid so that they can take care of all their living expenses already that's how they get paid enough and that whole a whole long conversation about that but yeah i just i just think it's a shitty situation uh the privatization of shit but i won't get into that um was that your teed off you just mad it that was my original teed off then it became my mattress being delayed

and then it became the TVs. The twist, there was actually a double twist in the mattress story. The twist was they gave us a replacement mattress that's supposed to suck. And I laid on it. I was like, I kind of fucking like this mattress. And then I've slept on it for two nights and it's actually horrible. I wake up in horrible back pain. Are you a firm or soft mask?

Yes, I want it like a rock. Yeah, I'm saying. And this is a memory foam, four inch little thing. No, I'm an absolute firm mattress sleeper. Agreed. Like, there are times I would be in hotels and stuff, and it's like the soft shit. And you would think, like, that would feel good. But it just absolutely murders my back.

I hate it. I think, what was? I was in Indianapolis. I think it was 2011. And I was sleeping. And then two, three in the morning, dog, I was like, I cannot take this shit. I slept on the floor. I just slept on the floor in the middle of the night, dog.

I would rather sleep on the floor a lot of the day. times and actually like readjust it kind of feels good sometimes sleeping on the floor if this mattress doesn't come this week i may have to what uh what sizes is your mattress king king size that's right big t that's right mm-hmm stunt that shit no i don't yeah no i i sleep on a king yeah i won't sleep on anything smaller as you should have you ever been to like anybody's like guest bedroom and the and the shit's like tiny as fuck yes i won't stay it i won't stay at people's houses either like my friends and i went to um one of our friends parents house we stayed at a couple years ago beautiful house like awesome house but it's just like

i can't sleep on like i can't take a risk that somebody's bed is like a memory foam or something I'm like, I'm like, I'll go to a hotel. Thank you. I appreciate it very much. But I'm, that was the, I made the decision. I was like,

that's the last time I'll stay at like somebody's house. What about your people's house? Like, what do you mean? Like, your mom's, your dad's like brother, do you have some of her?

When I go back to Nashville now, I usually stay at a hotel. Damn. Not even, I just, I, if it, that's wild,

brash. I usually stay at, a hotel. You know, I tell you, that's wild. That's wild because I don't think there's anything. And my mom's bed is the same. It's soft as shit. But there's nothing better to me than waking up in the morning, though, and smelling my mom's breakfast. Yeah, but you go over there at 7.30 and you're fun. I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to do that. It's just, I don't know, man. Your mom, she makes the bed for you. I don't know, but hotels make the bed for you too. Yeah, but it ain't for moms, though. Moms do

everything with love, man. They do everything because their job. It's different, man. That's true. I don't disagree with you. I just I like to remove the middleman. Actually, I like to put a middleman, I guess. Yeah. So like

when you go visit home, you wake up at 7 in the morning and go to your mom's house? If I'm by myself, I will stay at their house. If I'm with my girl, friend always go to a hotel. Dang.

I saw your parents like super Christian like y'all can't sleep in the same room type shit or? They wouldn't do that. No. It's just like I don't, I would rather just have my own. It's not even a bad issue. It's a space issue.

I would just rather have my own thing. But do moms be cooking breakfast and shit in the morning? Yeah. So go over there in the morning. I couldn't. I couldn't. I don't know. Maybe I'm just, I'm a mama's boy.

So it's like, I got, I got to stay with my mama. I just like my own space. I feel that. Bird left the nest and he's not coming back. I don't give a fuck if he's visiting. It's not. Even if he's home. No, I'll come back from 8 a.m. to 8 p.m.

And he's going to, he's going to make his nest elsewhere. Yeah. I'm with you. And then I'll go five minutes down the road and I'll be back in the morning. She's never asked. This is actually intriguing. She's never asked, like, won't you just stay here? Oh, no.

She does every single time. She gets mad about it. it. But I'm like, I just, I'm not doing that. That's actually why. I don't think, I think you're the only person I know that does this. I'm sure you're not the only one in the world. I just like a space. I like my own space. She probably takes it personal, man. Nah. I bet I would like that. I bet I call my mom. I bet I call my mom more than 99% of 26 year old men in America. How many times? How many times? you car mom three times a week yeah sometimes four that's yeah just to tap in shoot the shit

yeah talk to the dogs oh what i talk to the dogs on face time they hear my voice and they look at the phone okay talk to the dogs they love it i'm sure they do man and so you tap in with moms and he just refuses to stay. Is it a, is she like, is it a thing? This is funny to me. Is it a thing? It's not, it doesn't, it doesn't cause any problems. It's just like every time I'm coming to Nashville,

it's like, why won't you just stay here? And I'm like, because I can not have to, you have your house. I'll have my own little space and then I'll come over. Baby bird left and this. I would do that like, because like my mom and dad are separated, right? and like if my if i was come stay with my like i mean he lived down to room but like if he was in another state like i would probably get a hotel i would get a hotel because it's like i don't know my dad is not like welcoming as far as like i mean a good dude it's my dog but it's just like i don't

know i don't feel like that homely like embrace like when i go over to his house versus when i go to my mom right when i come to my dad's like what's up partner how you doing my dog whoop how's this how's that I'm out but like my mom it's like we hang like I wake up in the morning she's drinking coffee she starts what do you want to what you want to eat son like that I don't know man this is nothing like a mother I think it's also that if people were coming here I would much prefer them to stay at a hotel than stay at my house so I will do the same thing oh okay it don't explain the mom things you so you don't want your mom to stay at your place it's not that i don't want she can come over again come over eight in the morning i'll be up

i'll be here just go you can you can have your own space right down the road yo you really gonna be like a a funny old dude bro you be a funny i've told you i've been gearing up for it for 25 years. I'm waiting. It'll be a funny old dude, man. That's going to be hilarious. Interesting, man. Interesting.

So what do you feel about that? Has your app updated yet for Twitter? Yeah, I keep. I have Twitter on my first page of apps. So I keep and where I'm used to seeing a blue thing, it's now black. So I think, oh, that's not Twitter. And I scroll back to this, this, you know, the page before your first page Vaps. Oh, that was Twitter. I got to go.

Well, my shit still blue. Oh, it is? I think most people's updated like yesterday. My shit's still blue, but there's a... Oh, you got to hang on to that. I don't know how... I've got the X. I hate it. Have you seen the strobe light X they put on top of the Twitter building

that's like shining into people's apartments? Yeah. Elon is like a... No, he's, he's, he likes fucking with people just for the sake of fucking with people. And it's not for any particular reason. He's just because he can. But it's so old now. Like, it's not funny.

It's just like, dumb. But the problem is, like, his, his, his, his sick offense, the people that love Elon, like, and defend the shit out of him. Like, it doesn't matter what he does. It's like, they keep egging him on. Yeah, keep fucking with them. Keep fucking with them. And it's like, you're not really fucking with anybody. You're just doing stupid shit.

I think those people are dwindling, though. I think he's really lost a lot of people in the last six months. I think so. I can't quantify it. But I think he still definitely has a set of hardcore fans. But I think average people were like, oh, like he made Tesla like he seems like a smart guy or now like this guy kind of sucks. Yeah. I think people who didn't care one way or the other.

about him. Most of them dislike him now, which is me. Yeah. I, yeah, I don't, he don't bother me like with anything. I just think he's just like a, a little spoiled ass rich dude that just be fucking with people because he can. But I just can't get over. You could have bought 20 sports franchises, just like the coolest thing you could possibly own. And instead he bought Twitter and is completely ruining it. Just fucking, just drove that. shit into the ground the X thing is weird to me it's because it's like it doesn't have any kind of explanation it's just it's now X and I also like from a branding perspective dumb like the Twitter has like never really made money it's been but the one thing it had

going for it was that it's one of the I don't know 25 most recognizable logos in the world That's what I'm said that first from a branding perspective that made zero sense because it's like it even though it's not one of the most you I think it's like what it's like I don't I'm spitballing but it's like one of the it's I think it's top 10 most use social media apps but it's not like oh for sure it's like four or five I think yes but it's not like but the discrepancy between Twitter usages and like Instagram or Facebook it's yeah it's a big gap right but still even on Instagram or Facebook it would be links to Twitter on like breaking news that that's what. Twitter was for, right? That's what it, like, it was great at. And even every business that you have, your yoga studio, your fucking coffee shop, you everything, they have like, follow us here, boom, boom, and Twitter. It's like, so, like, people have to redo that. And it's almost like not worth it because, you know, all the traffic being funneled away from Twitter, because all this shit he's been doing. And it's like, he has this grandiose vision of what he wants. But it just, I don't know, I could be wrong, man. I'll be. I'll be.

first I'm saying wrong, but it doesn't make no sense to me, bro. It makes it. Well, I don't remember if we discuss this. I don't think we did. Have you seen he's tried to make every company he's been a part of called X? Yeah, started it with PayPal in like the 90s. Yeah, he wanted to call PayPal X and then named his kid X. We did talk about this, I think, now that I think about it.

That part, yeah, yeah. But again, no reason. Like, what's the reason you're just obsessed with X? Like X. just like it and then the x on top of the building it i guess it has to it has it didn't get cleared like with the code or whatever like the city ordinance like that was the when they were taking down the twitter sign the the the san francisco like cop showed up and they're like you don't have a permit to do this you have to stop right now and so half the sign still says twitter

and the other half the letters are taken down and that's and that's like the simple shit like that. It's just like, why just go, you're Elon Musk. You can call anybody and get that done. But you're sure, but you just, you just refuse to do it. I don't know, man, that dude. He's just a weird guy. Yeah, I think it's what happens like when a, like, when you get bullied and shit, maybe, maybe not because he grew up with money too, though. So I don't know, maybe he's always insecurity, man. That's what I see. I say a whole bunch of insecurity. Like a dude just can't. when he bought Twitter and one of the biggest want

moments of my life he bought Twitter and he walks in there with the sink yeah shit was a corny shit I've never seen though like that's just him though that was supposed to

that was supposed to hit that shit he thought he ate he did not he yeah I don't I don't know how you can like Tesla by all measure There's great company.

Like, they make really good cars. Like, SpaceX, I guess is a success. I don't know all that much about the space industry, but seems to be, like, doing well. And then this guy buys Twitter and just runs it into the ground. Well, actually, he has run everything into the ground he's ever done. And Tesla's low-key the same. Tesla is a good, a lot of, there's a lot of big misconstemption thinking he,

like, he came up with Tesla. He bought his way into the board, which is what he usually does on all his companies. He buys his way into the board and then has a voice. I think he does own a patent, though. I think his patent is the charge report, but even then, that's a bad idea because his whole idea was to put up Tesla stations, like charger stations all across the country, but like not convertible. And so, like, you have to get a Tesla rather than it being like a regular EV. And so, like, even his idea is just greedy as fuck. But I don't know.

Anyway, I don't spend the whole time talking about Elon. I like his test last thing. I like the Tesla, but I think I said this before. But it's not, it's kind of like marketed as like a luxury car. It's just not. And so it's like little things, air conditioning things, rearview mirrors, stuff like that is very cheaply. designed cheaply made i should say and and over the year so i've had mine since maybe 2018 17 18 and it's i think it's a really dope car it's very convenient because fuck gas um just the inconvenience

of putting gas in all the time and not i have a bigger car i bought an escalate and nice yeah because i got all these goddamn kids and so um the amount of money i spent on gas is just like i get tired of just filling up. And I hadn't been to the gas station in two, two, three years because of my Tesla. It's convenient. I like it. But again, he's,

he's doing all this other extra shit to it. It's just, that's him. But how many miles of gallons an escalate getting these days? I have no idea, man. That, when it says empty, you go fill it up.

Let me check. I know, man. That's bad. um i think i don't even know how much gas is in texas now and i've been filling it up for about a good three four do you have four wheel drive or no oh they're the same uh about 19 highway i get 19 miles per gallon correct is that good i don't even know i don't know shit about car not real but it probably has a huge gas tank i think right now in texas It stops around when I'm on E round $90, $89.

That's fair. Yeah, I don't know enough about it. That's my, that's a big Achilles heels. Like, I'm not that kind of guy. I'm not like the Honey-O-Fix-it guy. Working out on a car on a Saturday, I don't know shit about cars. They probably stiffing me if I take it in

because I don't know shit about that. Are you, is that you, you that guy? No. no no you have to have like a what you have like a trade that you enjoy like something like a trade well you like a country dude so i figure like i like work but not like i i have friends that are country like let me show you um like one of my best friends just bought a new tractor and he keeps posting us on his instagram story with these like hilarious captions says he posted his new tractor it says the West wasn't one on salad. Like those are country dudes. Yeah. Like I am from the same areas,

but I don't have that level of, you know, like I don't live on the farm. Right. Like he lives on a farm, has cows, tractors and stuff. Like that's country.

What do people do with cows? Okay. So when I was 12, when I was 12, my mom's mom's mom, my grandma, my grandma, she,

uh, my grandma, grandpa split. Um, she was with this dude named Jim. This guy is his name Jim. And when I was 12 in the summer, he was like, why don't you, he was country as far. He said, why don't you come on up here and, uh, it helped me wrestle these cows or whatever fuck.

He says, says some shit like that. And I'm like, what? And my mom's like, just go to the summer and, and, and hang out with him. And I was like, I bet. And so my grandma, I always, they all set this whole thing up. And so for two weeks. In the summer, when I was 12 years old, I lived in the wilderness, like on some, like, alone shit. You know what I'm saying?

Like, a TV show. Like, I lived in the wilderness. We lived off the land. We used to fish. He had some, like, canned foods that we used to eat. Like, it was just me and him in a tent for two weeks straight. And this thing that would move cattle. And that's what his job was to do is he would move cattle.

And so I had never been on a horse before, bro. And my very first time on a horse, I'm moving cattle. And like, he's teaching me wild, which I love, that's the one thing I loved about that experience was that he was like, fuck it, you're an athlete, you'll figure it out. I'm like, I bet. And so, like, he just, he just threw me in the fire, dog. But he would, like, move cattle. And, like, everybody out there had cattle. What do they do with the cat? Do they eat, do they sell them? Like, what do people? Some people sell them. Some people use it for milk and, you know, till they die. Some people eat them, like, all sorts of stuff. Makes sense. I guess, yeah. I just never know. I'm like, everybody has cows. I don't know what the fuck they do with them.

Did you, do you like fishing? Do I like fishing? I never caught something that I didn't eat. Like, and so I caught a few and we ate them. But no, no, it's boring. I can't, the few times I've done it, I can't stand it. it's like you're just sitting there waiting like i get the idea of like i think i like baseball for the reason that some people like fishing which is that it's a very similar things it's an

easier going type deal you can go out there sit with your friends drink some beer wait till if a fish comes awesome if it doesn't whatever like i just don't it doesn't do it for me that and i don't like water that's true also not fishing in no fucking ocean for sure but like well yeah don't go but i you know yeah i was in a lake with my with my first girlfriend and the first fish i caught i was at the first no the second time second time i went fishing i caught a fish and i seen it like struggling to breathe in the in the bucket and it was like and i was like oh my god i feel horrible so i threw him back and it was like yo and i was like i can't do it i'm not killing him But, yeah, I think he had caught some fish when I was younger and they, and then we ate it.

I don't feel bad when they're going on a plate, though. Speaking of lakes, did you see two more people died at Lake Lanier this weekend? One dude, one dude jumped into the water, got electrocuted and died. Electrooted by what? I don't know. Stay away from the water, man. There's nothing. I just don't, don't go to Lake Lanier.

or do I'm reading to see what if it says what he got electrocuted by jumped off a dock into the lake and was shocked by electricity in the water what is that mean I don't know is that a common thing I've never heard of that before no that's for sure doesn't exist anywhere except Lake Lanier that's purely a Lake Lanier there is like it is a neighborhood under there like there's but I I don't know how that I don't know I'm first of that electricity Ben died out nah man yeah

I don't know is that what actually happened this sounds like some huff I swear I'll send you I'll send you the article is it like from reputable source yes it's from the

Atlanta ABC station damn that's brazy I don't know man don't go to Lake Lanier plenty of great lakes in Georgia If you're stupid enough To think that you're gonna be the one that survives

Just keep going Just keep going Man, electric you have to jump in there Hold on That means he had to be the only one in the lake Because water is a convector I don't know I don't know about it

But another one of the things I wanted to do As a segment with me and Big T I thought it would be fun man is we both have two change my minds on some Stephen Crowder shit. So we're going to try to change each other's minds.

I don't know combative shit. The thing I like about you, Big T, is that I'm the opposite at the spectrum as you and you're the opposite in the spectrum of me. But like we found this synergy

to where like I genuinely like you as a human being. I like you too. Yeah. And so it's like we have this like cool little friendship man that's that's fun for me and so I thought it would be fun to like try to pull each other

to the center a little bit on on a couple issues man so I don't know if you want to I'll kick it off I kick it off so we both came with like a serious one and then like a not as serious one so do do the serious ones first all right I'll do the serious one for the first

one I would I think you you should change your mind on is socialism. I know you probably... Okay, so we're just going to do the exact same in reverse. So you go first. Okay, but the reason why I feel like

you should change your mind on socialism is because I don't think it's branded well from a right-leaning perspective. I think it's an umbrella term used to demonize anybody who criticizes capitalism. And I think the majority of people that criticize socialism would a thousand percent benefit from it.

And I think it's criticized as government give me stuff. And I don't know your understanding of it. But this is why I feel like it would benefit you. And I think that it would benefit the economy. Because I think the privatization, which is the definition of capitalism, right, it's the privatization of the means of production. And I think that lends itself to an unchecked system of greed, which is what we have today. And its end game is absolutely monopoly, which I think is not a good thing for the economy.

Because then they dictate the price of goods. They dictate the, you know, the policies around the business structure in America. And I think that's, I think that's not a good thing. So the socialization of things, I think, will absolutely benefit workers, yourself included. I think your situation is a prime example of this. But another one is, I don't know if you ever heard about Ocean Spray. Have I talked about Ocean Spray on this podcast? I think once, yeah.

Okay. So for people that haven't heard that part, Ocean Spray is a co-op. It is a worker co-op, which is a socialized industry. And so Ocean Spray is a very successful juice company, right? I'm pretty sure everybody has had Ocean Spray. And so what it is is a collection of farmers. And Ocean Spray is owned collectively by the farmers. It's not one person.

And so they have a co-op in which they lobby, they make all of their decisions together rather than having one person tell everybody what to do instead of all the prices. I think that kind of form is absolutely beneficial. and I think it absolutely helps workers get their voices heard because the workers are the owners, the owners. And I think that if it's branded in that way, that it's not for the government to give people handouts, if it was branded in a way that says,

this gives workers, it's for the blue-collar workers, it's for the people that are struggling in an industry in a day-to-day making check to check or living in check to check it's for them it's it's to take ownership and hold them accountable if it's branded like that I feel like it would be more palatable to people who are in love with capitalism so I don't disagree with you when you talked about greed like there's always going to be greedy people great where I and okay so you were talking about ocean spray on both sides too but so like so like they're are greedy socialist. Absolutely. But I think it helps a check and balance, right? If there's

people on the board with you that have the same amount of power that you do rather than one, but go ahead. I'm sorry. Well, so you talked about Ocean Spray. If a group of people who own a company want to do something like that, I think that's great. Go ahead and do it. But when you have an entire economy running on that, it's going to be the government. owning that instead of you know the ocean spray farmers so that's where that's where you lose me if a group of people want to do something like that awesome but that's that's what socialism is like but do you but do you i was going to say there's socialized in there's socialized industries right and i don't think you're ever going to get around the government having a hand in the economy

and i don't think you would want that honestly sure no yes But to the extent that it exists now is very different than what it would be in a purely socialistic economy. I don't think so because I think I think this kind of thing would start from the ground up, right? This kind of thing would start from the ground up. So it starts early in educating people on the benefits of socialism and an economy and a society that. Because I'm not a socialist, right? I'm further art. But I understand in order to get from a capitalist society to one that would be my utopia,

the transition period would be a collective ownership of things. But as little kids, we're kind of taught differently. We're kind of taught to go out and grind and get it. And it's you versus the world, that kind of feel. And I think if you set that precedent young, then you realize the levying power of people that we have. So what I mean by that is your worry about it is the government at the end of it. And my thing is if you educate a society on the power of voting the correct people in, then you'll have more people taking part in the process of voting, which is Democrat. It's the democracy that I feel like your side of the table always loves to tout, which

is like, this is a democracy, let everybody have a voice, but y'all cut off that voice when it comes to workers, you know what I mean, which is what unions. Unions exist because of, you know, capitalist structures because the workers need a voice. But I feel like there's some common ground there. So the other thing I wanted when you talked about, like, the greed is, and this is part of what I was going to do capitalism. So we're basically just going back and forth on this one. I mean, hit me with it. The greed often breeds outstanding innovation.

Like some of the best things we enjoy came from people who were really greedy and made a shit ton of money off of it. And like it breeds competition. like Steve Jobs was a pretty greedy guy, I guess. I don't know, you know, his charitable contributions or anything like that, but he made a fuck ton of money. So, so those kind of instances like Steve Jobs or Bill Gates or stuff like that, I don't necessarily think that it is some random, this is just my opinion on it, right? I don't think it's just like some random kid that was innovative, right?

What I think it was, it was a product, an inevitable product of resourcing youth. And so if you go to his neighborhood when he was growing up, he just happened to have computers in his schools in an area where most schools don't have those computers and access to those. resources. And I think if you, if you allocate funds to resource schooling in all neighborhoods, not just wealthy ones, then you're going to have more innovation because they have more, the odds are higher of you getting it in the hands of people who, um, who can create and do great things. But your odds get very small in our society because we don't, we don't allocate resources to all those neighborhoods in a proper way, I don't think. And so, yes, he was innovative and yes, he did his thing.

But again, the odds were in his favor. Well, if you're saying, like, fun schools more, like, I'm all for that. That's great. But, like, you could say, like, everything that exists was inevitable about anything. But, like, somebody had to do it. Yeah, but I don't think it was a product of capitalism. I think Steve Jobs was going to be Steve Jobs, no matter what. But how many Steve Jobs are we not hearing about because they grew up, weren't about

the lights being on? Again, like if you're saying give more money to funding education, awesome, great. That's the other thing. So do you think in like a purely socialistic economy, do you think we would have the same level of innovation and you know competition that we do now when you say competition what you mean like there are people competing to make the best TVs so that you will buy their TVs people making the best food you know whatever I think there are aspects of competition that that benefit but I also think there are aspects of

competition that derail progress um so i think it's like it depends on the product uh if your example is TVs i don't think that competition necessarily will enhance the the making of a tv i don't well so i ask that because you in general you seem to be pessimistic when it comes to the human race. Is that fair to say? Oh, yeah. Okay. So that in my mind is difficult to jive with an economic system that would require a lot of altruistic deeds to achieve the same level of like what we have now. Yeah, no, I think people will always, there will always be people that are assholes, absolutely.

But I also think that we are products of the society and the society breeds us to be this way, right? We are taught from a young age to go fend and make it on your own. It is you, buddy, rather than it takes a village to raise a kid. And I think it's the mindset that seeps in. I think that is now the emerging mindset amongst our youth, right? If you ask kids what they want to be nowadays, it's a YouTube creator. It's this, it's that, right?

It's all about likes, follows, stuff like that. That is actually validating for them. And I think it's a product of the society that we created, right? It's, it's, it's, it's, it's what happens when you interweave, uh, entertainment with, uh, um, media. It becomes who gets more ads. It becomes, it becomes this never-ending cycle of we have to grow. We have to grow. And so George Carlin said this a long time ago. He said if you, you, you know, roughly in paraphrasing, but he said, if you scratch a, he said, if you scratch a pessimist, behind every pessimist is an optimist. I want to be optimistic about human race, right? But I don't have much to go off of.

I think my goal is to have the best odds, meaning, like, this is why the ocean spray example is so dope to me. It's because you have a collective of people that say, we want to do good, we want to have a good product, and we'll have checks and balances, right? They have a self-governing system that has been extremely profitable and successful. And I think there's countless amounts of companies out there that do the same. It's less likely for a collective of people to be greedy in a market than it is for one person, in my opinion. And I think I would ride for that fact rather than what we have now is even if you look at your TV analogy, right? Your TV analogy, there's like a handful of TV companies.

And it's because every time, I think we've discussed this briefly, but every time a small company that makes great TVs gets to a certain point, they can't compete in the larger market so they get bought out. And so it's not a real free market. Well, that's a, there are industries that are oligopolis. I mean, you can't have very many airplane companies. It's very expensive to make. So naturally, that industry is going to have Boeing and Airbus, and that's pretty much it.

But like, think of how many family-owned restaurants there are. Like, that's a relatively low barrier to entry, so you can have more of those. That's definitely an industry where there's only going to be several, you know, competitors. Let's look at family-owned restaurants. Like family-owned restaurants, they're all local, right? And if they were to expand and get big enough, what happens? They get bought out. Not necessarily.

Name a family-owned restaurant that has surpassed or has grown to a... Papa John's. Who are they owned by? Papa John. are they he like started it he started his own pizza place when he was like 20s

I think and it was like one store I think it happens more than you realize it's just that now those are like established brands yeah no I think I think it's possible

I think it's like I said I'd have to do more research on I don't know enough about Papa John but I think in in a collective like so even if Papa John's right let's say Papa John's is a multi-billion dollar company.

Even in that, I think it would benefit that company to distribute the wealth rather than have one guy own it. I think it's just more beneficial for the cohesiveness of the company. One of the biggest things that I've learned from you and interacting with you is that I used to think, Republicans were pieces of shit. I really do. And I still think a lot of them are. But I think there are genuine, genuine disagreements on how to get to the same goal, right? Economics being one of them. Like, abortion being one of them, right? I think abortion is a big sticking point that I, I really do understand both sides of that argument. But I, I, I, I, I, I, Of course, I'm pro-life, but I'm pro-choice.

But I do understand a pro-life. If you're arguing in good faith, I understand the argument. And so, like, a true capitalist that I argue with that says, I just feel like it's the privatization enables the American dream to be more. And if I'm hearing you correctly, that's what your main argument is. The privatization enables the American dream to be more plausible for the average man I do think that and I also think the problems that come with capitalism and a privatized economy are more contained I guess would be the word than what you could have with an economy essentially run by the government yeah no I understand like I said I think socialism is badly marketed

because it doesn't necessarily have to be run by the government but you're saying the end would be the government's ownership on a whole scale on a macro scale that's what it would be I understand what you're

but like you're the ocean spray thing like on a small scale if people all buy into that and can do they can work and then if they want to do that that's awesome and then the market can say yeah we think this is a great product

like we're going to buy that Yeah. I think that's the biggest thing is I would rather have companies not be able to influence the market with anything other than their product. And I think that in a capitalist economy, more than likely that is going to be the case. But now I hear you, man, I don't want to spend too much time because I just wanted to be lighthearted. And yours was capitalism. So we hit two birds of one stone right there. That was fortuitous. there you go and so on a lighter note

what I want to change your mind about is and I don't know shit about baseball but I feel like you'd be a happier human if you switch your favorite baseball team from the Atlanta Braves to something else they're the best team

in baseball right now what could make me happier are they really? Yes they are the favorites to win the World Series oh fuck I had no idea They are, I believe, 67 and 36. Holy shit. I don't know shit about baseball.

Well, wait, okay, continue, because this is going to be funny now. Well, that's, that was my, I didn't have like any will. I just, I just hear, I just always heard you complain about the Braves, but I don't know enough about the Braves. I was just like, well, shit, bro, just switch things. Like, because like, for, first of all, it doesn't work like that. You can't switch things? Why? I mean, you, you, you have.

have you've had favorite sports teams in your life like the lakers like what if i said just become like when the lakers were shitty a couple years ago like just become a celtics fan or something yeah okay yeah i can't do that like it doesn't i that's just not how it works okay well i did okay so when i was young right when i was young i was a chicago bulls fan but what i what i realized was i wasn't a chicago bulls fan i was a michael jordan fan right so when michael jordan retired I was like, I don't give a fuck about the Bulls at all. I wasn't, but then again, and then I wasn't even rooting for the Wizards. And so I was just like, I was a free agent.

And then being, you know, my dad's son, he's from L.A., he started watching ball with him. I naturally gravitated toward the Lakers. And so at a younger age, I was a Laker fan. And it's just, you're right. I can't, I can't switch at this. Now, before 2021, that would have been a much more viable argument, because they, had done nothing but flounder and find new ways to fail consistently my entire life. They came through for you.

They came through for you. But then they won the World Series. Last year, they were really good and lost in the playoffs, which happens. This year, they're awesome again, and they're going to be great for the next 10 years. It's all cyclical. They will suck again at some point, and then they'll be good again after that. I'm happy. You're happy with your baseball team then, man.

No, right now they're awesome. And they're coming to Chicago this weekend. I'm very excited about it. there you go that that was probably the worst change in my mind i could have done yeah they're uh they're 67 and 36 right now they lead the nl east by 11 and a half games there have been that many games in baseball i'm so bad still got 60 more oh the to put it the braves division lead of 11 and a half games is more than the other five divisions in baseball combined Jesus.

The other five divisions have one and a half, half a game, one game, half a game, two games. And I'm trying to convince you. That's great. You know what I sound like? I sound like a girlfriend trying to talk sports with his boyfriend that, you know, she, she don't know what the fuck she thought. That's what I sound like with baseball. My girlfriend has ended up liking sports a little too much, actually.

Oh. Like when we started dating, she didn't really follow sports at all. And now she's like, Tennessee basketball is the one that she's really into now. And it's to a point that I wish she didn't know as much as she does. Damn. Like they'll be, they'll be winning by like 17 points with five minutes left. And I'll be on my phone or something. And she'll be like, what are you doing?

I'm watching the game. She's like, the game's not over. Like, yes, it is. They're up by six. She's like, they could still. And she cares too much now. But, I mean, she, she's, she's trying to. No, I love it.

Like, it's great. Yeah. Um, okay, so mine, my, my, my other, this will be, you will have thoughts on this. Okay. Uh, mine was also sports. And it's, I, I want you to explain to me why you still don't like Josh Heppel's offense, despite, let me, let me give you some numbers from 2022. Okay. Yeah.

They led the country and scoring at 46 points a game. Mm-hmm. 525 yards a game. Mm-hmm. Opponent. Now, what I've heard you say before is tires out the defense, gives opponents, you know, better, 23 points a game from the opponents. So they're doubling up their opponents last year. Best offense in the country seems like it should be another top three, five offensive college football again this year. So why are you so anti? Because it's awesome. By the way, just incredibly fun to watch also, which is. is all I've asked for out of Tennessee football for a very long time. Just be entertaining.

Even if you don't win, just be fun. Gotcha. Do you have the time of possession? I can find that for you. Because you're right. My critique of the offense is, I don't think I've ever said that they can't score points. I don't think that I've ever said that they can't get yards.

Sure. I think that the offense is not conducive to a championship run. Tennessee average 25 minutes and 14 seconds of possession last year. Versus, do you know the opposite? Is that too much digging? 3445, just the rest of the 60. Yeah, that was stupid. Okay.

So they're about 10 minutes less. Yeah, they're behind. And I think that is my main thing. So when you talk about, when you talk about ball, I think you're going, so like when we played, we played the Colts, for instance, right? We played the Colts in the height of the Peyton Manning era. And our game plan wasn't necessary to stop Peyton Manning or Tom Brady. Like we played them both, right?

Our game plan was to keep them off the field. And you did that by getting a three-yard run, getting a two-yard out, converting on a third and five, and then that runs the clock. That is, like, to me, what championship football teams do, right? And we never won, there's a litany of reasons as to why, but we had the recipe for, right? And I think if you look at the Alabama's, and I don't know, I don't know their stats, and I could be wrong about this, but if you look at the Alabama's, and I think the reason why they've been so dominant is because they've been run heavy, but also able to throw the ball. And I think that part of being run heavy and having a great defense is that you give the, you give them less opportunity. used to score. So they're always playing catch-up.

And I think when you score so fast, like, again, it tires your defense out. Because I could be wrong about this too, but their defense isn't necessarily built to stop the run either, right? The run defense last year was actually pretty good. The past defense was bad. Okay. And that's another thing. If you don't have a stout defense and you're, you're, you're,

goal as an offense should be to keep them rested. Because if they are to getting torched, then we need to keep them rested. And so your goal should be sustainable drives. Your goal should not be quick hits. I mean, don't get me wrong. We'll take a score all day. But I just don't think over the long haul, it's just a recipe for like winning on a consistent basis, especially against teams who, you know, have NFL talent. And I think a lot of those stats, college stats can be skewed right NFL stats in these categories are a little more important because in college you get a Louisiana Monroe that you're playing against all of them do none of them are going to the league right well as you play at Georgia you know 40% of the defense you're playing is going to be on an NFL roster right very different things and very different goals as an offense. I like it. I like it like you. Like it's fun to watch. You know what I'm saying? It's cool when I when I go back and you know, it was fun seeing ball getting thrown around. But as far as like

winning and consistently in the SEC, I think if you look at the past teams, that's been the recipe. But they did that though last year. They won almost every game. No, but they but they lost the the ones that they needed to. That's my goal. They beat Alabama. yeah but I don't think also I think if you watched more college football now like even like Alabama runs not a similar style of offense because Heples is very unique in some of the formations and spacing and stuff he does but a relatively similar style in that it's up tempo throw the ball a lot it's not it's not Alabama and Georgia of 10 years ago yeah and that could be the case too maybe I need to watch more football coming. this segment is changed my mind, I'm open my mind being changed. So I think if, if maybe I'll watch college football, I can't commit to something like that. I watch a little more college football this year.

Give me, give me six UT games. Watch half of them. Okay. I'm going to the Texas A&M one. So I'll definitely be watching. That'll be a good game. Yeah. So, all right, I'll give you, I'll give you six, I'll give you six UT games.

skip the non-conference bullshit ones and like Vandy and Missouri. Is there any non-conference ones that are like big? They open with Virginia but Virginia is bad. They're like UT's like a 28 point favorite. Yeah, okay. All right.

That and I'm a fan of buddy. Who was the backup to Hendon? Joe Milton. He's going to be fucking awesome. Yeah, I think he has he actually has one of the strongest terms I've ever seen in person. They asked him at SEC Media Day, somebody said, what's the furthest you've thrown a football?

And he said, I'm not going to tell you the number, but it starts with a nine. I was like, hell yeah. That's crazy. No, I absolutely believe that, too. He can flick that thing. But, yeah, I'm open to my mind being changed, man. I don't want bad for you, T, dog. I think he's done so much good for that program.

And I also think he, uh, he's been so nice to, and welcome it to, like, past players there. He's awesome. Yeah, he's been the man, man. So, like, I don't got no issues, but at all. I just think that fast pace, it's just hard for your defense to get rest, man. I think, I don't know if it's sustainable. Because I know, I know that was the problem last year. And that's what I think, I think that's why Georgia won.

Georgia won because of their defense and they was always well rested and they ran the ball well. But I could be wrong. Well, they have, I mean, Georgia, you can't compare anyone to Georgia. They've got a five star at every single position and a four star backing them up. it's bullshit and it's not fair but um yeah he don't just start emptying their pockets man no we're getting them we're getting them um don't they have a dude who was like hawaiian who was supposed to be like some five-star quarterback he's yeah he was the number one quarterback in the country for this past class so he'll he'll play a little bit this year i'm sure

but i'm sure they'd like to redshirt him so he can play in four games and then he'll be the quarterback after this year. Is that how redshirt it works now? You can play in four games, yeah. What? When did they change that? Four or five years ago. Oh, man.

Which is way more fair than if you come in one game. Like, that was stupid. Man, I had a couple of the homies got juiced because, like, they had no, like, because you still suit up as a freshman when you registered, you know what I'm saying? You just know you're not going to get a game. And a couple of dudes got hurt. And then one of my men's had to go in. And they burned his register for that game.

Yeah. So now you, and you can play as much in those four as you want. You could play the entirety of four games. That's crazy. Well, and that's actually fair. You know, I'm happy that they made that rule change because they was fucking, but yeah, I'm at the point in the summer now where I just start. I turn on full games from last season and just watch them. So like last night, I watched the Kentucky game that we won 44 to 6.

That's awesome. That's wild, though. I'll just like when I'm like after this when I'm working from home I'll just I'll put I've watched the Florida game from last year Kentucky and I've seen Bama so many times I I've got to wait a little bit before I put it on again because I've watched that 25 times damn do you watch the Georgia game hell no the Georgia game wasn't even it was very boring because it was I think it was 27 to 13 or something like and like We played horribly. The South Carolina game I'll never watch again, ever. That was bad. They should have won that game. Yeah, that sucked.

But soon enough, it'll be a 12-team playoff and we'll be in it every year. There you go. There go, man. I think that was a dope changing mind segment. Might dip back into it a little later on. I am considering changing my mind on the Tennessee thing for sure. I'll double back and I'll give it another honest. go. I doubt you're changing your mind on the

socialism thing. I'm definitely, I think we but we don't, I think you, you got it right. Like, different solutions. We want the same thing for the most part. Yeah, I think different ideas of what would work to do that. Most people on that side of the aisle, I would, I would say, are you in good faith? But I think a lot of people just take opposite stances of their political, uh,

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The Golden Boy is streaming on Max. Check it out. It's a great movie. If you're interested in Oscar Delahoya's life, it goes behind the scenes in ways that I don't think that you've really allowed people to examine your life in before. So I'm very happy to have you on the show. First of all, right off the bat, we should talk about that, that chair that you've got set up right now because when you stood up a second ago everybody on this podcast was like damn that looks

like a comfortable ass chair like we wish we had that sort of chair you have good taste interior decoration my friend yeah it's about uh it's about 60 years old uh custom made i've had it i've had it for a long time i got it i think it was like at an auction or something yeah it's a good one i wouldn't let go of that chair if i were you uh so believe it or not on this podcast we we have a professional boxer and he's 1-0 lifetime he defeated Jose Konseko knocked him out TK owed him in the first what 15 seconds is Billy football Billy football actually got into the ring step in the ring what two years ago Billy two and a half years ago yeah it's been a long time now but once upon a time I got

my boxing license from state of New York what you what you knock him out with I hit him with a right hook in the clinch and uh More of a TKO. I think Billy knocked him out with high blood pressure. I think Jose had to tap out right after 15 seconds. Yeah, the triglycerides got to him. But we'll get to some more of Billy's accolades in a little bit. But right off the bat, I want to talk to you about the movie that is called The Golden Boy, and it's on HBO Max.

And I want to know from your perspective why you decided to move forward with this project right now. Yeah, I mean, I just felt that it was time to, uh, it was time to, uh, to, tell the truth. It was time to just speak my side of the story. And, you know, it's, it doesn't really tell you all of my life, but most of it, just how everything unfolded. When I started fighting at five years old and just all the pressures, you know, from family and friends. And then the gold medal in 1992, all the, all the pressure from the world, basically, you know, to be the golden boy and uh and here i am it's basically living a double life you know and i just i just i just felt that um now's the time you know because i'm i'm now a good good with myself i'm now at peace with

myself you know so it's like it's it's it's now easier for me to just just say the truth yeah there's a story that you get into a little bit in the movie about um your mother and how there was a story that your mother wanted you to bring home the gold medal to east l.a and how that was kind of a myth that you helped to spin up and perpetuate over the years. Can you talk a little bit about what happened in that scenario and how it came to be this big story that you helped to create? Yeah. Well, the story that was created, you know, everybody thought, well, she's dying, you know, in the hospital bed and her last words were, son, go win the gold medal for me in Barcelona. And it wasn't like that.

When I won the gold and I got out of the ring and to do my interview with NBC at the time, the first reporter that told me, he told me, so how did it feel winning the gold medal or, you know, your mom's dying wish of winning the gold medal? And I just went with it. I was like, I was 18 years old and, you know, I was like, I didn't know, I didn't have experience with media or anything like that. And I just, I just went with it and it took off like wildfire. And so just living that lie, just that one lie, living that one lie for all these years. I mean, it eats you inside.

Yeah. So with the whole, you know, moniker being the golden boy at the time were you like, yes, I am the golden boy or this was this mythos that was created that I have to have the pressure to live up to and sort of play into, but you really didn't feel like the golden boy at all. Um, no, I did. I did, um, you know, I mean, yeah, growing up in East side, I was a good kid, man. I was, you know, I was just honest, good little kid, you know, and until that moment, until that moment. Um, and then when I, when I, when I got fame, when I got money, um, I started making, she's in my very first fight I was already making like half a mill in my first pro fight, which is crazy. Yeah. And that's because of the gold. So, so, um, um, Yeah, when I was starting, maybe the first 10-11 fights, I felt like the Golden Boy. I felt like, you know, man, everything's going good. I'm a straight shooter.

I'm training hard. I'm, you know, everybody loves me. And so when the pressure of fame and money and women and, you know, everybody around me, when that grew, it just got out of control. and maybe 12 fights into my career, I was like, man, I'm gonna, I feel like a bad boy here, you know? I don't feel like the golden boy. I feel like a bad boy because I'm just, now I'm partying. Now I'm just, you know, out of control.

Let's go back real quick. Maybe take us back to the start when you first, when did you first discover that you could kick anybody's ass? I was nine years old. Yeah, nine years old. Nine years old. My first fight as an amateur at six. years old, I stopped the kid with a body shot. And then, but at nine years old, I realized,

shit, I can do something with this. I can, I can become, you know, I can do something. And I started knocking kids out, like at nine years old. You knocked a kid out at six years old with body shot, like a liver shot? Yeah. Do we still have six year old boxing matches like that? That seems like I don't think so. I think it was illegal, man. How old was the kid you knocked out? Because What was that? How old was the kid when you were six, who you fought? I think he was the same age. Okay.

Six, seven years old. I was going to say, like, don't let Dana White hear about this. He's going to have six-year-olds fighting in the ring. Next week in pay-per-view, pay-per-view. After Power Slap, yeah. Pay-Rew, power slap, six years old. Yeah, so you discover that you're really good at fighting. Do you enjoy it?

Did you enjoy fighting? Or was there something else about it? Like, did you like fighting or did you like winning? I love both. I had this rage inside of me. You know, if you check out the documentary, I had so much rage in me, all the anger because of my mom, you know, the way she treated me, all the physical abuse. So I had so much rage in me that I just, I loved getting in the ring and just fighting

and then beating the crap out of somebody. And then you kind of figured out as you get into your teenage life that this is something that you could actually be very successful at due for a living. And was the Olympic gold medal? Was that your first major goal that you had for yourself? I had 235 fights as an amateur, and I only lost five. So along the way, I won, I think it was 11 golden gloves. I won junior Olympics.

I won the Goodwill games, which were very important. There were two years prior to the, to the Barcelona games in 92. So that was very important. But yeah, the gold medal, yeah, by far, till this day, is the most important trophy I have. And you talked about after you win the gold medal, your first professional fight, $500,000, which is, that's absurd. Even to this day, that's absurd for a first professional fight. Is it harder to train to fight? Is it harder to fight when you're successful, when you're getting paid a lot?

of money i think you get a little comfortable yeah i think you do um if you know once you start making all the big money and um yeah you just get comfortable and that's when that's when shit happens you know it that's when that's when you start to ease off on the pedal and uh and you know in your training camp you're not running as much you're not training hard you're you're not really focused mentally and uh that's when you get beat that's what happens to the best of us to everybody. A lot of people talk about the style of fighting between amateur, Olympic, and then pro to be much different because the stakes are almost different. Do you feel that your fight style changed from when you're an amateur then to the Olympics and then in pro? Because they say a lot

of the problem with pro boxing nowadays, why it isn't, you know, is losing some viewership to UFC is because it's a much more defensive fighting style. Do you have? Yeah. You know what's crazy. and that's a great question man because when i was when i was coming up fighting i i was uh i was trying to be like uh like sugar a leonard like mike tyson you know so whatever fighter is popular at the time that's that's how kids are going to train that's how that's how you know that's how everybody's going to want to copy is that style you know so the the style that people are are are copying now believe or not are it is mayweather style you know and and so therefore it made boxing pretty boring literally i mean i'm not talking shit here but it's it's like it just you know defense defense is

great yeah but people want to see somebody get their ass kick yeah you know and so so so you're right you're right there's people who are turned off by that and um but it all depends on who who's the the popular fighter at the moment and kids start you know to copy that style and it becomes a thing in boxing. Did the Philly Shell ruin boxing, you think? I think so in a way. In a way. I mean, it's a beautiful

style and I actually admire it a lot because it's not easy to do. But I always loved a great fight, you know, just going back and forth, Arturo Gotti and Mickey Ward. I mean, that's my style. Yeah.

I love the body shot knockouts. That's one thing I can sit and watch compilations of the liver shot. I got knocked out by Hopkins, so I don't. Yeah. Yeah, that's rough. Good point. It probably brings up some bad memories. But from, I guess from an aesthetic point of view, if you're watching the sweet science and you see a shot to the liver and you get that delayed reaction, that's about like a half second, a second after you get hit. So what is that like? What does it feel like to just take a beating right on your liver? It literally paralyzes you. it feels how can i describe it yeah all your air is out um and and it it just it paralyzes you and

you and you have to crunch up your body you know because it's so painful and for about nine ten seconds you're you're just in so much pain but 11 seconds you're fine it's crazy but that's like one second too late but you can't do anything yeah yeah that's one second too late because now the referee's already counted you out did any judges have have fast clocks do they count faster than others yeah you know um i don't think the judges uh the referee the referee can have a fast count or a slow count you know those are the tricks of the of you know of combat sport um they can count you out sometimes in seven seconds because they're counting so fast you know um it's like there's that one fight with Tyson, Mike Tyson, and Buster Douglas, when he knocked out Tyson,

the ref, Don King, the promoter was calling foul because he thought the referee was counting so fast, and they counted Mike Tyson out. So, yeah, it's all up to the referee. I want to get back to the movie in a second here, but I have a question I got to ask you about a fight that's coming up. Inganu versus Fury. Yeah. It's anytime you get a boxer in the ring with an MMA fighter, if it's a boxing match,

I always want to give the edge to the boxer because that's what they grew up doing. That's how they train. Inganu is a physical specimen, obviously. And if he hits him, he does have knockout power. So he could knock him out. But is that kind of your mindset, too? If it's a trained boxer versus an MMA fighter who's a great, great, great, all-time striker, you still have to give the edge.

What's the difference in that? like how is the boxer always going to have that edge i think it's um i mean the the boxer has been doing it since childhood you know and um yeah i could never give uh an mhm a fighter a chance against the top level fighter in boxing you know it's it's like if tyson theory were to go into the cage he would get annihilated that's that's easy i you know and dago would just destroy him It's, it's, I, I think it's because of the, yeah, the striking and, you know, the, the, you know, the, um, the jihitsu and all that, you know, it's just, it's not, it's, it's, it wouldn't be fair. It's crazy what money does to people, you know, and dog was going into the boxing ring. He's getting paid a shitload of money basically to get his ass kick.

I mean, that's, that's the bottom line. Yeah. Because Tyson is a, Tyson is a beast, man. There's no way Fury has better boxing skills than Deonte Wilder, and Wilder probably the most comparable when it comes to punch power, right? Right, right. Yeah, no, Deante's a powerhouse, man. He can knock you out with that.

He either punch. But one thing about Tyson, he's so big. And he moves like a lightweight, which makes him, which makes him, you know, almost impossible to be. Yeah. Going on more on Tyson Fury, do you think that he's taking all of these fights because he is dodging? Yusik. Do you think that he's past his prime where he could take a fight like Yusik and he's kind of dodging him?

Yeah, no, I don't think he's dodging him. I think it's all about getting the upper hand, getting the bigger purse. It's all money, man. It's all, everything's all now money driven, you know, and we're talking about tens of millions of dollars here, hundreds of millions of dollars

and they're still being greedy. Yeah. You know, it's like, I mean, just make the fight happen. Just do it. You know, there's enough money in the pot. Just make it happen. It's all good. Do you think a Joshua Fury fight happens before an Usik Fury fight? I think a Joshua fight happens before.

Yeah. Yeah, I like Joshua. I think Joshua has a lot to prove and he knows it, you know? So therefore, he's going to take these big fights and take some, you know, short money. So, yeah, I can see Joshua happening with Tyson probably first quarter of next year. Arian just, Aaron just joined us. Aaron, what's up?

How are we doing, buddy? What's going on, brother? How you doing? Big fan, man. I grew up in, I was going on. I grew up in Albuquerque, New Mexico. And fight nights was always a big deal. You know what I grew up watching you.

I don't even have dead. Did you know, the fighter named Johnny Tapia? Yeah, Johnny Tapia. That's what about. Yeah, Johnny Tapia. He was big growing up. One of the ones that we always rooted for and stuff. But I have a question, like, about historical boxing, man.

You kind of alluded to it now, and you talk about how it's all money driven. And I feel like that's just the economy. We live in. It's the world we live in, right? I feel like the root of that, to my knowledge, was like Muhammad Ali. And granted, I think he was one of the greatest athletes of all time, obviously. But also, I think he was so good and he was so impactful culturally that that became the standard for boxers. to promote themselves when it was really genuine coming from him.

But I feel like a lot of cats nowadays, that is like part of the deal. You become a boxer and you got to sell yourself and you got to be brash. You got to have bravado. When I remember not all, not all boxers were like that, right? But like now that's kind of the mold. That is the cookie cutter. What's what you got to do? Do you feel like that is the case, one, but two, hurts boxing a little bit as far as like a brand perspective?

Or what are you feeling on that? Yeah, no, it's a great. question man i think um yeah mohammer ali was a perfect it's the perfect promoter you know to promote himself and um but a lot of these fighters a lot of these young fighters are are obviously using social media and other ways to promote themselves but the problem is is that sometimes they think they're they're they're they're too big you know they're they're too popular they're you know just because i get you know 50 likes or something as they feel they're like the top of the world you know and it makes it tough um to negotiate with these fighters sometimes

you know because they think they're so big they they think they deserve like big big money um but but i but i strongly feel that i mean the self-promotion is is brilliant it's it's it's you know it's it's necessary i mean you see you see the ufc you see all these guys you know i mean they don't make much money like like boxers but but the way they promote themselves is genius, you know, they're out there. They have their own personal stories. And, you know, some are, some are, you know, some guys are just, you know, some are like Mike Tyson, somewhere like Muhammad Ali, and they make more money because they promote themselves. So it's, yeah, it's quite interesting how promoting has changed over the years.

In your career, did you ever have, did you ever feel that pressure to start a beef, make something personal or to try to pretend like something was personal going into a fight sell more tickets more pay-per-views ah no it's crazy because with my career see i had i had the olympic platform the Olympic gold and so the world fell in love with my story and then for some strange reason all these women started just going to my fights and so we i remember you're attractive guy you can say you can be like yeah yeah i mean you know i'm good looking i'm good looking yeah thank you But yeah, it's crazy. I didn't have to do all that.

I didn't, I just had a smile, you know? That's it. I just had a smile, and it's like, it was, it was a phenomenon with me because we had never seen it before ever in boxing. You know, normally it's like the guys watching at home and the men buying the tickets, but now it's like, now I'm filling up like 50,000 seat arenas and there's like 90% women it was crazy yeah to a certain extent it's almost like to nickname the golden boy i mean it was very good for promotion it helped you make a make a lot of money on the other hand being known as the

golden boy that's almost like it's become almost a sarcastic way to refer to somebody nowadays where you're like oh this you're your your golden boy over here like he can do no wrong with you it's like that expectation was put on you that you had to be perfect yeah to be like clean cut do everything the right way. You know, you're a hero at that point. So looking back on it and everything that you that you talk about in the movie that's on Max right now, would you, would you do it a different way? Would you, would you want your nickname to be something else? Or has it still been a net positive for you? No, it's been, it's been a positive for me. I wouldn't change anything. I mean, I did a lot of shit that, that, that, you know, came to haunt me. I did a lot of shit that really

catapulted my career to new heights every single time I would fight I wouldn't change anything I think everything just happens for a reason you know um choices I made bad choices good choices um maybe there's one thing I would change uh you know have a better relationship with my kids uh over the years and really not focused too much on on traveling and and training and going away to the mountains. I would literally situate myself for about a year in the mountains just to get away from people, from fans, from

women, and just to focus on boxing. And so I would change that, but everything, like I said, everything just happens for a reason. It built my character. It made me who I am. It made me who I was inside the ring. So, yeah, I wouldn't change anything. You talk about getting away from women.

I think we all have to do that on this podcast too. It beat our doors if we want to put out a good show, it's like, can't i can't i'm not no one on their show is allowed to have sex within 24 hours right there you broadcast it's a 24 48 rule i couldn't i couldn't have sex like three months prior to a fight man imagine that yeah wait really yeah was that your rule or was that your trainer's rule it was my trainer's rule yeah is there any science to that whatsoever is that just something that's kind of like it gets passed down somebody says it and then so you believe it no fact i mean i don't it it gets

passed down you believe it but it i mean it never i mean i don't think it's It's true or real. I mean, one time in one of these fights that I had, I was going to break the rule. So the night before, this woman comes into my room and, you know, we get it on. And I had the best fight ever the night after. I felt light on my feet. I felt loose, you know. It was crazy.

So I heard that too growing up because, you know, I play professional ball. So we heard that too all the way growing up. I don't know, some of my best games the night before I did my thing. So I don't know, I don't know, man. I don't know if that's much true to. But I want to go back to something, as you said, that I felt is like not really harped on. And it's not necessarily indicative to professional athletes, but professional athletes have a different perspective.

You said you wish you had a better relationship with your kids. And I'm finding out now that I'm retired, I have a lot more to give to my children than when I was in the NFL. Well, one thing that I mean, I remember vividly, I used to come home from training. I come home from practice and, you know, my kids jumping all over me, they want to play. And I just don't have the physical energy to play with them on top of the mental energy, on top of the emotional energy, like all of that stuff. I wonder, you know, because that balance, to me, is tough. Because you know, I have parents that were there for me and they love me and they care for me. But we suffered in other ways.

I grew up extremely poor. And so I wonder, you know, you say, you know, you wish you did it differently. I don't want to get too personal, but I kind of want to pick your brain on, like, what do you feel because you could have done differently? Because I feel like as breadwinners in this kind of society that we live in, it's almost like that balance is a facade because in order to give everything to something, you've got to have some kind of sacrifice. Yeah, yeah.

No, that's true, man. That's a good point. Like, for instance, I loved to fight and I loved fighting. very often and my training camp was up in the mountains and I was literally secluded from everything including my family including my kids and I would love being up there just because I had peace of mind and I could focus I once stood there for a whole year without seeing anybody and I would just literally come down to Las Vegas for the week fight week and then go right back up and a lot of times too I would train and fight and then I would go on a tour to promote other things you know

and so I just missed out on a lot you know it was by choice and a lot of times it was because I was training but you know there's a lot of moments that that that are missed you know and and kids don't forget it man they they remind you you know and it's what's pretty cool now is that look I'm here I'm present I'm focused I'm balanced um and I'm I can always, you know, I can always try to make amends. I can always try to make peace with my kids, you know. And so it's a learning process, man. It's a, it's a process of always just growing and learning, man.

It's funny because I don't know if you've seen that Netflix thing with the professional golfers. I forget what it's called. Yeah, yeah, a full swing, yeah. So like seeing that, right, seeing the different dynamics and obviously golf is a different sport and it takes a different amount of toll than boxing wood on your body. But it's like one of the things that stood out to me was Tony for now, who's a great golfer, like, his biggest critique is like, he brings his family everywhere. And you got to wonder at some point, is this hurting his potential as great?

And it's like, it's a very real question, you know what I'm saying? It's like, you don't really give so much of yourself. And you know, shout out to him for doing the best he can't have met his family, but I just want to figure, because it's a very interesting perspective. And I lost out on some time when my kids when they were younger at, absolutely. Now I have all the time in the world, but it's just, it's just dope to hear somebody, you know. I mean, you take, yeah, you take a look at, you take a look at these, you know, the top, top, top, top athletes or whatever, you know. You have to be kind of like, there has to be something missing, you know, that sparks that fire in you.

Like, for instance, you have to be a little crazy, man. I don't know what it is, but there has to be something that happened to you or you look at Tyson. You look at, you know, myself, you look at Floyd Mayweather, you look at, you know, even Paciel, who grew up in the Philippines with nothing and his life, its life story. It's like we have to have this some kind of like, you know, event that took place in our life, you know, that kind of screwed with our head and made us like these machines, you know. It's pretty interesting, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Big T, what you got for him? Yeah, so the documentary you mentioned, it talks about highs and lows and stuff that happened in your life, some of which nobody would want to happen to them.

So now we have, you know, there's a much more, there's much more of a conversation about mental health and things like that, but also social media is a beast that didn't exist for most of your career. would you if your career happened now instead of 20 25 years ago do you think it would be any different and would you rather have had it happen now than then I think I think yeah I think I'm very fortunate that I didn't have social media back back then it's it's especially for an athlete or whoever it's It's just, it's distracting. And it's mentally, it just messes with your head, you know. Psychologically and mentally it drains you.

You know, it's like, I don't know, it's, it's, it's, I think, I think like I said, everything happens for a reason and social media has been, has been, you know, a lot of these athletes' worst enemy, you know. There's a lot of great, great athletes out there who don't make it and believe it or not because of social media it's pretty crazy do you believe that uh you know as a promoter and with your relationship with some of the guys you're promoting social media has been more of a harm than a help i think so man i mean look like for instance you take a look at um like a ryan garcia right um amazing amazing talent good kid i mean he's got uh all the potential to be to become

world champion many times over and But, but it's crazy because the diehard fight fan, like, labels him as, like, the social media darling or whatever. It's got to mess with your head, I would, I would think, you know. Well, after, you know, after speaking of liver shots, after he lost the Gervante Davis, there was a bit of a riff on social media between you two. Have you guys resolved that or, you know, have you resolved that? Yeah, we resolved. We did. We resolved it. We resolved it. Look, there's, there's a pending loss. suit right now that I slapped on him just just for him to honor his contract but look at the end of the day it's like it's like family you know family will have their riffs here and there and and they don't

talk to each other for a while but then but it's it's always family at the end of the day right that's the way we feel when it comes to social media i i do think that there's one fighter that would have absolutely dominated on social media and that's butterbean i used to love butterbean man You know, Butterbean? Butterbee was a man. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I used to watch this twice as my grandfather.

He was a beast. He was a beast. He can punch. He can knock you out with any punch. And he was fast, too, for being a little buttery around the waist. Butterbean could probably beat Jake Paul today. He says he wants that fight. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. No, Butterbean, yeah. Butterbean can go out there and, I mean, he can actually go out there and beat most heavyweights today. You think so? Oh, yeah. You think. Oh, yeah. Butterbean beats Inganu in a boxing match.

Damn, you know what? I think he knocks him out. Yeah. Oh, I would love to see that. That's a better fight than Fury. That's a better fight than Fury. Inganu steps in the ring with like 10 abdominal muscles popping out everywhere. And then Butterbean gets in and takes his bathroom off and just knocks him straight right.

What was crazy with Butterbean and nobody ever knocked him out is because he had no fucking neck. You know? He was just like, it was crazy. crazy so his chin was like like granite his chin was in his chest it just was one solid thing he had no chin what's the hardest you've ever been hit in your life um i got hit man this the the the um this kid from a ghana african kid from ghana um and those fighters are tough his nails i thought he had like bricks in his hands we went uh we went uh we went at it for 12 rounds it was literally like a rocky movie um the last round if you check it out on youtube um the last round i had him against the ropes and i was connecting him with like 30 punches unanswered i don't know how he stood up but he would still be punching with his eyes closed he was like out of it and even then he was hitting me and i mean it felt like granite like he had

bricks in his hand it was pretty pretty pretty crazy man yeah i i corte i corte I think my favorite fight of all time was Castillo Corrales. Yeah, that was a good fight. That was crazy because in that one, dude had never been knocked down in his life, right? Right. And no one had gotten him on the canvas. And he got knocked out in that fight, but he didn't get knocked down. He was still standing up.

It was crazy. And he was unconscious, but he still never got knocked down in his life. That was nuts. That was one of the all-time favorite. fights. Yeah. Yeah. I got another question, man. I've always wanted to ask a professional boxer. I don't think I've ever gotten the chance to. I don't know if y'all feel this, right? Or if anybody, because it's very prevalent, like, where I'm from and, like, how we grew up watching boxing matches. We would all get together, huddle up, and order on pay-per-view.

Paper view, yeah. Yeah. So it was all like, it was very communal, right? So all my people would get around and it became very like representative of the communities that you're from right right it's like when you would have a black boxer boxing a Mexican boxer yeah felt very real to us I don't I'm unsure how y'all compartmentalized it but it was almost like you roll for a side and it's it's kind of addictive of the times you know that America's a melted pot right yeah and so um I was wondering if y'all y'all ever felt that kind of racial tension when that would come up against each other, you know what I mean? Yeah, especially back in the, yeah, in the early 90s.

Yeah, that's what, you know, if a Mexican fighter was fighting a black fighter or, yeah, I mean, it was always, it felt right, it felt their tension was in the air, that's, you know, that's for certain. Yeah. But it was, it was normal. It was crazy. It was normal. It was just normal. Where I grew up in East L.A., the only. the only the only there was two black kids in my neighborhood um one was will i am oh shit yeah so we grew up with him and then uh then there was this other little black kid um who was our our skating our

skateboard buddy um in school growing up and um it's crazy because even when we would watch like chavez fight when we were kids and he would fight like malgic taylor or you know or somebody else it's like there was like this divide yeah it was crazy it was like yeah yeah and i can i can sense it from my parents like my father my father it's like because my my little buddies would like we would they would come over to the house his name was tea my little friend tea he would come over to the house and my dad would be like what's he doing here you know like we're watching chavez you know like hey like relax man yeah yeah No, it's a very, it's a very, and it's never spoken about, right?

And especially like in today's heightened political climate. I don't want to bring that part into it. But it was always a very prevalent presence in boxing to me. That is very, it's an under, it's an undercurrent that still pervades the sport, but it's rarely talked about that. Still, I feel like America has a lot of healing to do. But when it comes to boxing, no pun intended, you know, the gloves kind of come off. And it's like, I'm riding for the ride for the side. And it's, and it's, for whatever reason, it's still prevalent.

I just wonder if you felt it. That's, that's, it's interesting, man. Yeah, I know, we did. We did. It's changing. It's changing, no. But, yeah, but it used to be, it used to be bad back then. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, and today's political, well, speaking of politics, let's talk about it. You, you considered running for president in 2020. Yeah, I mean, that was all bullshit. I mean, it's crazy. It's crazy. It's crazy.

because like everywhere I go you know oh you should be run you should run for a mayor or you know because LA is like a dump right now it's like California's I don't know what the hell's going on that's getting a little funny where I don't know it's just it's different it's just different now and so everywhere I would go you know people would tell me oh you should run for mayor you should run for governor you would win you would you have my vote and and then when was it in one of these big fights I was promoting somebody asked me uh you know would you ever run for president so then i thought to my head okay wait let me promote this fight here and i am gonna you know run for president so yeah it's all bs i wouldn't i have too many skeletons in my closet man so i mean in in the in the movie you get into

some of the skeletons in the closet a bit you probably uncover and talk about some uncomfortable moments in your life was there anything that stood out as like the hardest thing to to reveal and open yourself up? I mean, the hardest thing for me was listening to my kids talk about me. But obviously, the hard thing and the thing nobody wants to talk about are the pictures,

the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, I didn't dress myself up by, I was passed out. Um, but yeah, that was difficult, you know, because it's, because it's, because everybody's going to see it, and my kids will see it. And so, but I had to do it, you know, I had to do it, you know, I had to do it because it's all, it's the truth, man.

I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's, I used to go out when I, when I, when I retired and I started, you know, using drugs and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, you know, it's, whatever, it's, no, no, no big deal. I've always, see, I always looked at it different, man, I know when it came out, you know, everybody got their joking shit. But I'm very big on, and I don't know your preferences, my brother, but I'm very big on not kingshaming, right? I feel like, as long as you're not hurting and everybody's consensual, I don't really care what anybody do. You know what I'm not hurting anybody, man. That's what I'm saying?

Like, do whatever you feel, man. No, but you know, what's crazy is that I wish I would have been conscious to know what I was doing. I didn't know what I was, I was out. I would somebody drug me, somebody, there had to be at least like, there had to be. had to be at least three, four people there because what I'm thinking is, what I'm thinking is, I was unconscious and I didn't know what the hell I was doing. To put that, to put that suit on and not rip it is, it's like impossible to do it by yourself. So it's like, yeah, so it's like, okay, man, was this a setup? That somebody set me up,

you know? Because there were some really bad people there, man. I mean, we're, right. You know, that we actually interviewed that girl that leaked the photos, and we found her, like, somewhere in Costa Rica where she's, like, or somewhere in South America where she's, like, hiding out. By who? Who is she hiding from? So, it's, I mean, I don't know if I should even open up some kind of investigation or something, you know?

Right, right. We're going to let you go in a second here. We appreciate the time. Again, you can, you can check out the Golden Boy. It's streaming on Max right now. Big T, do you have the video of Billy's boxing match? against Jose Canseco, I would just like to, I would like you to get, give Billy some constructive criticism or weigh in, how impressive you think this, this fight was. I think he's got the video

right here. What's the best way to do that, Big T, should you show it into the camera? I sent it to you. Yeah, I'll just bring the camera up here and I'll put it up. Okay. Okay. All right. So, so Billy, maybe you can tell, tell Oscar, like, what it was like, what was in your mind going to this fight? So I trained for about two months for a professional. for a boxing match and because Jose Canseca once fought professionally before I had to get a registered so this is it this is what happened okay here's the here's the entire fight Jose Canseca the baseball player oh yeah oh yeah and there's the right hook that I got boom that I put him down oh and then and then he hit him on the ground did you see that last yeah yeah yeah a lot of people think that he just fell down I know I hit him with a right to the temple and he just went down yeah damn okay then now he's then now he's faking a shoulder injury yeah every fighter does that like oh yeah i don't get knocked out of it was my left knee yeah yeah so hey that that that was actually a good overhand right yeah to the temple right yeah that's what i got him with i put him down everyone's like oh he just took a dive no i

hit him i made him quit now again are you are you uh are you uh are you uh are you uh you are just gonna retire i want to know or you're cool or i don't know there's a there's a guy uh you know we might get something else going but there's no other adrenaline rush like a fight there's no other high like and I trust me you like I just got a small taste like a little taste but like you just even now I'm thinking about it and like my heart rate's getting up

like I can tell that there's like veins popping out of me right now and I'm just like no crazy yeah what's crazy is that when I'm outside the ring I can't even imagine like fighting or getting hit or it because I'm a big I'm literally a big pussy, man So it's like I hate getting hit I hit my toe on the corner of a table

When it fucking hurts like hell But inside the ring You can chop my head off And I'll still come at you Yeah It's crazy, it's the adrenaline It's like you look Like I watch that video

I'm like who the fuck is that? Right, right Yeah exactly Who who like Was he blacked out? Like what the fuck? Right So Billy wants to fight

One of our producers Max who's a big boy you're a promoter Oscar maybe you could maybe you could just call Max out say like Max quit ducking Billy Billy wants to fight you hey Max come on quick quit ducking Billy who wants to fight you big purse big money

let's do it there's a lot of big money there's big money online big money by our standards but but uh last question I don't know if you've watched any of the