Macrodosing: Arian Foster and PFT Commenter - QANON ft. Ben Bowlin, Matt Frederick and Noel Brown

Episode Date: September 15, 2022

On today's episode of Macrodosing, the crew welcomes on special guests Ben Bowlin, Matt Frederick and Noel Brown to talk everything QANON (2:08:03). Everything from coronavirus conspiracies to radical movements, we have it all covered on the show. Also, Billy injected something into PFT. You don't wanna miss it. Enjoy!You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/macrodosing

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Macrodose is the only podcast on the internet. You like that for a tagline area? It's pretty aggressive, man. I'm feeling aggressive today. PFT, what percentile do you think you are of human that has worn sunglasses in the last 10 years? You're probably like... You mean like my time percentage?

Yeah, like besides blind people, you're probably... I don't think you beat Ray Charles. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Besides blind people, you're probably in the top. So I think I did. No, but I think in his lifetime. Oh, well, yeah. I said the last 10 years.

last 10 years. I've crushed Ray Charles in the last 10 years. Yeah. In less wait, was he buried with the shades? Yeah. When did he pass away? I want to say like 2005, 2004. PFT, you might want to fix your hair. RIP to

the goat. Oh, yeah. Thank you for call. Yeah. Is that better? Yeah, look. You're rocking the mullet right there. Yeah, I can only wish. One day I'll rock a mullet. I'll bring that back. Yeah, maybe I'm like 90 percent, I'd say, 95%.

I would say so too. Hard to beat me. That's for sure. But we're back. I am feeling a little bit aggressive today. Just right off the bat, I want to talk about a couple things. Not to make this podcast all about myself, but I have had a very eventful last 18 hours.

Get off your chest, dog. So Billy injected some substances into my arm yesterday. Adrian of crone. Six o'clock. It might have been. It might have been baby blood. I don't know where he got it from. I don't know what website he purchased it from. That's the peptides. I gave him some peptides. So, uh, Billy did inject the research chemicals into my arm last night at about 6 p.m. And he was being such a little bitch about it. It really annoyed me because he kept,

he brought him in a couple days ago and then he kept finding reasons why he couldn't do it. And then he kept asking me like, are you going to do it? Are you going to do it? Basically bullying me into into doing it. And then after I would say yes, he would then find another reason to try to back out. So It's the whole, it was the mind fuck of me agreeing to let Billy, who doesn't know shit about anything, inject some strange medicine from God knows where into my arm. It's the mind fuck of saying, yeah, Billy, you can go ahead and do that and then having Billy take it away and then ask me again if he can do it. It was just, it was tough to deal with. So I've been recovering from this arm injury and Billy got these research chemicals. and he got the syringes out yesterday

and he injected him into my arm and yo you let Billy inject something in you yeah that's an L that's a L for you yeah it's it's really dumb it's honestly maybe the dumbest thing I've ever done what if he doesn't like let's say it works and you don't have to get surgery that's going to be a W

that's what I was thinking that would be a common Billy W the worst thing that could happen is the common no uncommon thing Uncommon, Billy W. Honestly, this has been going on for a long time, and I didn't think you'd actually go through with it. So every time I was hesitant in case he really wanted to back out, just be like, no, I was waiting for him to say a hard no.

And he never did. So, I mean, like, what is the diagnosis of your elbow injury? I've got a UCL injury, which is a ligament in my forearm. And I kind of just stopped doing what the doctor recommended after, I don't know, like a week and a half because the brace that they gave me was such bullshit it was just this little strap that itched on my forearm it didn't really put any that much pressure on it so I just got that remember that adidas armband that I was wearing for a while that looked like a I looked like a cornerback that I was wearing that and then I kind of stopped doing that for a while and I just rested

it for like two and a half weeks then I was supposed to have a follow-up appointment that I skipped and yeah now I'm starting to work out again I'm starting to get back into it to see if I can use my arm again, if it's functional. And part of that process is injecting these research chemicals that Billy purchased online. They're a peptide. And so don't do this at home. Don't trust me. You do not want to follow Billy Football's medical advice.

I'm just glad that I woke up this morning. That's how I'm looking at it. My concerns, my concerns with the injection was for him having an allergic reaction. And besides that, that was my only real. concern. I had a couple other concerns because, so Billy gets out the syringe. He gets out the, uh, the whole process, the whole kit. And then he forgets to wipe my arm down with the alcohol, like the rubbing alcohol swab.

Well, I was too busy. And I'm like, Billy, that's, I had just gone through a whole process of sterilizing all the equipment and I just happened to forget one thing to sterilize, which is very important. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, probably the most important thing is sterilized. Maybe, but thank God, Billy, like, you sterilizing all the equipment, you, you took the equipment out of sealed packages. You didn't have to sterilize it. No, I had to sterilize the tops of the caps and stuff. Okay, well, so Billy takes the needle out, fills it up, and he's getting ready to put it in my arm.

And I'm like, Billy, you know, you got to wipe my arm down with the rubbing alcohol. He said, oh, yeah. And then he takes the syringe and he starts flicking it to get, you know how you're supposed to get the air bubble to go to the top of the syringe so you don't inject that? he's holding the fucking syringe the wrong way with the needle pointing down and he's flicking it to get the air bubbles to like float up closer to the top of the plunger.

So that it doesn't go inside of you. I've watched enough TV shows about hospitals to know that you turn upside down and you have it go to the to the whatever the needle is. And then you squirt a little out so that there's no air in there. Yeah.

So I had to tell Billy to do all this which at that point I was like I should back out because Billy's probably going to kill me. No, I mean, well, look I mean it was an insulin needle by the way and we weren't injecting into a vein it's really not like air bubbles is not that big of an issue in a subcutaneous it wasn't into a vein okay that was like y'all are tripping right now yeah it was subcutaneous it was into the skin not into a vein yeah so I mean it's not in the scope of things probably was a very bad idea I kept saying you could do this and he never said no and I was like hesitant several times um But don't do that at home. Yeah. All the anti-aging clinics do it.

And maybe this, you know, $150 will save him from having to do, you know, months of rehab, months of therapy, and spend thousands of dollars on a surgery. So that's the gamble. It won't. It might. Also, this is something that Joe Rogan does. But it won't. So I want Ligaments for the most part

Like if you're not like super active They'll heal in a way that you can Function But Surgery's like usually the only way to fix those Yeah well I hope I hope it worked I feel okay today

It was a little sore Slight discoloration And then Billy just slathered my arm up with Neosporin or whatever that thing was Because I didn't get infection And so so this morning I go to the gym

not to brag I just didn't it's a statement of fact I went to the gym to try to work out and to see if my arm felt better and I'm getting some relatively light arm weights and there's this lady

that's working out next to me and she's doing a lot of lower body exercises including like posterior chain work she's putting cables like on her foot and doing some very aggressive very aggressive like lunges and isolation isolation exercises on the glutes and i'm just trying to work

out mind my own business and so i take the weights up and i she's been doing these exercises by the way for like 15 minutes 20 minutes at this point i take the weights up and i i exchange them for some different weights at the weight rack and as i pick them up to turn around i know i notice that there's a camera her phone is set up that's like right next to the weight rack and it's like right next to the weight rack and it's been recording her the entire time doing these exercises and like my face goes I look right into the camera lens and I make this like shocked face and I'm like oh oh what's going on and then I just like walk the weights back and I keep working out with them and then I realize like I think I stumbled into an only fans video because this girl was doing some very very suggestive exercises it could be

TikTok she might be a fitness influencer but so I wasn't I wasn't creeping out on her and I saw that the camera was set up and then I paid more attention to like what she was wearing at that point and she was wearing like these super super tight leggings that had even like shadows and stuff accentuating like her butt crack and different parts of it it was they were very aggressive she's probably just a fitness influence she might be it might be fitzbo oh man said the leggings were aggressive they were very aggressive leggings and so now I'm wondering if I'm going to be if I'm going to be in some video. on the internet at least no honestly there's tons of videos of girls doing that and then a guy in the background staring and then the girl calling them out for staring and you think she was she was doing a sting that's where a lot and then like there's a whole thing but i mean that i mean that's something that is it probably an issue that needs to be talked about like exhibitionism in the gym yeah uh because everyone does it both genders but i mean why are you there to work?

Yeah, I hope, well, if it was a sting, then I'm going to end up being like one of those guys that's like, be like this guy, because I wasn't staring at her until I saw the camera. Or if you're part of, you're going to be like, when girls put the phone in their back pocket and try to catch guys checking them out.

That's old school stuff. I remember it was like MTV's summer house. They had Jenny McCarthy, I think, or Carmen Electra. Yeah. Where like a camera on a keychain. that was dangling around their neck and it would just like catch guys looking at their boobs

and it's like well yeah Carmen Electra in a bikini is looking at me I'm probably gonna there's gonna be a peak that happens but if I do end up in a Fitspo video online just appreciate the fact that I wasn't creepy on this person are you doing a little damage control right now this sounds like yeah no I was just I was just curious

and I'm sure that if the video comes out like I actually wasn't staring at her at all until I saw the camera and then I was like We'll be the judge. We'll be the judge of that. Sounds a little damage controly right now. I hope the video comes out because I'll be vindicated. I mean, the thing is with like with those types.

I just don't understand why I'm about to get this might be Andrew Tatey. Oh, God. Go off. Talk to us in sale king. Top G. Can you say it in a British accent? What's the matter? What's the matter?

What's the matter? What's the matter? No. I just... Billy, no, dude, if you're going to say Andrew Tate's shit, I'm not going to say a British accent. What's the matter

if guys are looking, if they're wearing exhibition gear? Why are they wearing the yoga pants? Why aren't they dressed like the guys in the Allstate commercial if they don't want to be stared at? You want them to work out in khakis? No, I mean, it's just like,

like, how do you have any expectation of not attracting attention if you're wearing bright colored spandex? That's very revealing. Billy's taking... I think women, mind like you glancing at them but it's the overtly like right right I don't know weird old staring hawking looking like that's uncomfortable though I yeah no that's not I'm

talking about the extreme situations where there's some of these videos online where the girls are like in doing what PFT's talking about and they like catch guys like check them out for a second and then they like get mad at them I like that's what I'm talking about like girls like guys creeping on girls totally bad but I think everybody's definition of creepy is different though I think I think if the woman feels like you being creepy just be like my

my apologies and try not to look again so that that wasn't my intent my are very attractive I apologize I'm more talking about the videos where they try to trap guys into like in calling them out seen them there's a couple I think that's mostly just for I think that gets on my page it's like man on the street type stuff I think that

just comes up in my TikTok page just to make me like like what yeah billy Billy's going with the whole like animal kingdom excuse like well they're wearing brightly colored outfits that are clearly designed to attract a mate so naturally naturally my eyes

was a little trap I was a lot of some interview Jordan Peterson said that he was like should there be what do you say should there be should men and women be able to work together and if they do there should be some rules as to what they can wear

and lipstick is one of them He's like, why do you wear red lipstick? Because red lipstick is, or you say lips turned red during sexual arousal. And it's just like, bro, what are you saying? It was a wild. I'm pretty sure women wear lipstick because they like how it makes them look. Yeah, who cares why they want. Matt, I should probably, I'm not trying to lip splain.

No, you're right. Why do women wear lipstick? Because it brings a look together when you're doing makeup. It brings a look together. And people like the way it makes them look. I don't wear lipstick because I don't like the way it. makes me look so I don't wear it there's also the argument that like so like they're dressing up for other women to like compare fashion yeah like I think that's the majority of it honestly I mean

that's also kind of why like like a lot of guys do aesthetic lifting yeah yeah it's not curls for the girls yeah it's like just like yo dude check out this back and then they do some weird flex and it's like who's that like no one because you're not going to be as impressed with like a really good outfit as like my friend will be or like a boy isn't gonna like understand it just like I'm probably not going to understand you like hitting a max bench press yeah like you're not gonna understand I'm like extra jealous of women can like shop like a target and shit and look like you know what I'm saying like the the variety and array of clothing that they could pick like that shit looks fire like a regular target store and shit like that you can't find like

there's not really good clothes for dudes like a target you can get a good fit i've actually been i do love target clothes i've been on amazon buying super cheap clothes recently that people think are cool i've been getting comments on i have like a $20 pair of running shoes that look like they're like really sick show me show me your best fit text to the group your best fit yeah i got these these i'm just trying to remember billy's outfits from the last month and honestly Billy like you like I dress I dress very poorly really badly and I don't think you dress that much better than I do no I don't but I think I do it cheaper I don't think that's true because I do it for free I do a lot like this is free I don't I usually don't wear anything unless flex

no it's not really a flex it's just like shirts that we make around the office and stuff I'm talking Billy they they pay me to wear my shirt. I'm like I'm literally like there's There's a pair of shoes that are like, like, you might think are, is name brand or even like one of those high-end brands. Actually, I'll show you. I'll release a list of cheap shoes I've been buying. I wear nothing but flip-flops. That's facts. Nothing but flip-flops?

By the way, there is so many good like, oh, fuck, yeah. What? I got some check teeth. All right. Some breaking news here. the Washington Defenders XFL team I don't know if they're going to be called the defenders again but that's a team that I played at the DC Defenders

I played for them back in 2020 briefly for a day their defensive coordinator is going to be Greg Williams Dr. Heath baby Dial up the Heat. Dr. Heat is making his return to football to the XFL for my team. That's fucking awesome. Wait, is that the guy that used to, he used to be on the Browns, right? He used to go Spouse.

Yeah. Greg with two G's. Two G's. Yeah. That's awesome. I liked him. Yo, speaking of football.

Yeah. Did you see you see a man's Brett Farr? I did see my man, Brett Farrf. That shit is funny. What a, what a bad, bad criminal.

That shit is hilarious. They can't catch us, right? He, Brett Farr. Putting that in writing. Brett Farr, I'm just going to say, I think,

he's the number one worst texter of all time. Up there, for sure. If you take into account the totality of his career, I think Brett Favre might be the worst texture of all time. Him, Anthony Wiener, and

Brett Fav, neck to the crown. I don't know who to give it to, but goddamn, Brett, you're a fucking moron. And also just a bad guy. Turns out Brett Fav, bad dude. I didn't see what exactly happened. He got context with all the welfare fraud.

Yeah. Yeah, so he's got the whole welfare thing where he took money from the state that was part of the welfare, welfare fund, and they paid him to give speeches that he never gave. And I think it's something like two or three million bucks. And he knew that something was up with that. I don't care what he says. Like, if you get paid $3 million to do something and you don't end up doing it, you know, that something's a miss. And you ask some questions about that. The most recent one is I think he took, what was it?

he like redistributed $5 million from the state welfare fund to his daughter's college to build a volleyball arena for the volleyball team. And so he just took $5 million from the state welfare fund and then also very clearly tried to make sure that nobody ever found out about it. So Brett Favre didn't do a good job of that. Yeah, despite the fact that he texted,

he's like, hey, can we make sure that nobody finds out about this? Okay, thanks. Like, oh, yeah. fucking batman over there covering his tracks but yeah yeah that shit's that shit's hilarious man yeah he's just he's he's he's dumb breck farv's never been a smart guy he's lovable on the football field i guess but turns out just just bad dude all time yeah um so anybody have anything they want to get into today real quick before before we jump into our main topic.

There's one other thing that I had, but I'm going to send it around the room. Anyone else? Big T, you teed off about anything? No, not really. Erin? New mermaids coming out. I'm hype about that, the new little mermaid.

Yeah? What's this one about? Same shit, you know, water politics. A little mermaid The live action jump My kids are all excited But I'm excited about it I can't wait to see that shit

That's cool By the way Is that another mermaid or is that Ariel It's Ariel She was Ariel but she's black I saw somebody getting mad about that This is actually It's very very racist

But also like It's funny how Dorky and racist This person was being I saw somebody Got so upset that the Little Mermaid was going to be black that he wrote a computer program

that was going to go through it scene by scene and replace and replace the black actress with a white actress so that he didn't have to watch a black little mermaid like it's it's disgusting but it's also like

that guy might be the biggest loser in the history of the world I mean at some point you got to respect the dedication to racism he is dedicated that's what I'm saying like I don't I don't respect his racism but I do respect how passion I admire his passion how about that you know it's crazy like so they did this for the hobbit and they did this for Game of Thrones they're talking about how like the Targaryans can't

be like some of the some of the characters in the Game of Thrones are black and in the Hobbit there's black characters which Tolkien described as black what's crazy is that all those people are like mad about this great replacement theory thing that like white people are getting replaced but turns out there's a i i found ran through found this on a tictock and reddit turns out there's an opposite ideology that there's some black people who think they're being replaced by white people like dr umar and i was like they you guys just cancel each other out yeah no no no no dr umer doesn't think they're going to be replaced dr umar he has a long line of of of ideas but dr umar is very well known in the black community and um he's problematic for sure but i would i would categorize

him as like a uh afro centrist and so he's he's primarily concerned with keeping black families black and uh doing for black he doesn't necessarily believe that black people be replaced i uh i probably miss i was trying to describe afrocentrism and probably just coined dream war but it was an afro centrist's uh like like line of thinking because they took a picture of patrick mahomes and patrick mahomes father and was like in only two generations then they showed patrick mahomes's kid and was like only two generations all the melanin is gone like replaced like yeah so there are black which i do not subscribe to this but there are black folks who believe in keeping their family black and although i don't necessarily like if you love

somebody like and you want to build a family somebody do you think but I understand the sentiment honestly I do I understand I understand the sentiment but I also understand how it could be extremely problematic but I don't think it's to the extent of the great replacement theory I can see the parallels

but I think I think the context surrounding the two ideologies are a little bit different you think that one's just more widespread than the other one no I think when you're talking about black afrocentrism and like wanting to keep your family black um that has to deal with oh what you're talking about i was saying that i'm not comparing that with the great replacement theory

i'm sort of saying that there's two ideologies that conflict from differing sides of the spectrum that it's just like like it's funny that both there's people in both groups who think the same thing but they they counter each other yeah i'm not in the camp that Because there are people in the cab that, like, black people can't be racist. Like, there are black folks that think that. I don't think that. I think that you can absolutely be racist and be black. But I think the context in which the reasons as to why they come to their conclusions are different.

And so I'm a little bit more empathetic towards those than people who think a black little mermaid is problematic. Right. Yeah. I think from the from the black side of things it sounds like keeping your your culture alive is almost seen as being beneficial because white people have done so much to try to take that away over the years and I think white people the way they approach it is like they're going to take our place in society and we don't like that you know so it's like it's like a little bit the ideology I think has different there's like different history. behind what led them but now in like practice it's the same thing but for different reasons I think I think that's kind of what I would just I just would like to put the like two people like the people who don't like the new mermaid and the people who think that on the other side just see what would happen that's what I really want to say what do you think what do you

think would make white people the angriest like what character to do a remake of a movie and then change the race of the character James Bond, I think he's been the biggest one. Yeah, but it was smart because the name they floored out there was Idris Elba, and everybody loves Idriselba. Yeah. And then they're like, he's a code name, not a real person. Let's see, what could it be?

What could it be? Paul Blart Mall Cop. Paul Blart's white. I agree. I like that movie, man. That's a good movie. Yeah, Paul Blart is white. That's a fact.

The second one was awful, though. I watched it the other day. Horrible. Sequels can't do it justice. Awful. If you replace Paul Blurke with like Cedric the entertainer, I'm out. I'm going to get radicalized. That shit might be funny.

That shit might be funny here. Okay. All right. Joe Dirt. If you, if you fucking put Kevin Hart in the rule of Joe Dirt, I'm storming the Capitol. I think, uh, I think some of like, like, what's an iconic, like maybe?

No, because they did that. I was about to say the Wizard of Oz, but they did the whiz, and that shit was cracking with Michael Jackson. What about like Santa? Does that count? We do that every, we do that every December. Yeah, which was the opposite. Matter of fact, I remember Fox News freaking out about that. Santa's not black. Sanis white.

Yeah, Megan Kelly. Is he? Yeah, Megan Kelly. It's just a fact that Santa's white. Super facts. Let's see. What other characters are very important in white culture growing up? trying to remember Bart Simpson

Oh Mark Simpson ain't white So we've had We've had this discussion Because I Coley changed my mind on this RIP

Because I told Coley I was like I think Bart's Were the Simpsons white Or were they It was a different race They were yellow And

Coley was like No The Simpsons were white And so we got into a big Discussion I think he changed my mind I think the Simpsons I think

I don't think Marge was though I don't think Marge was white I think Marge I mean look at her hair Blue Yeah no she she did No not blue the texture Like it was very thick and it stood up

It held together Mm-hmm Yeah there were a couple episodes where she She ironed it and made it fall down She had to straighten it Bad out March was looking good She did look good yeah What Billy

Just the biggest problem i had yesterday with billy injecting me with these research chemicals was as he had the fucking syringe loaded up and he was messing up how to like get the air out he was just laughing he couldn't he couldn't stop laughing i was sweating just in agony being like oh shit when is he going to jam this in and billy was fucking laughing the entire time i just can't believe you let billy put a needle in that's wow i know it's it's i was trying to give it to him and say do it yourself and he was like no you have to do it No, but I can't believe it got to that point in the conversation.

I was trying to tell him to do it himself, but he wouldn't do it. No, yeah, no, no thanks. Did you guys see that the queen had a secret bowling talent, Wii bowling? No. Yes, someone tried to gift her a 24-carat gold Nintendo Wii that she never ended up using, but she was also a secret gamer. The queen loved to play video games. Do we know what she played?

F's in the chat for the queen. Press F. I don't think we'd call her a gamer though. The Monarch shared a love of Nintendo Wii with her grandson. It's pretty badass. I want somebody to do a screenshot of Elizabeth, like, in a Twitch box. Yeah. Like she's playing fucking Call of Duty, just murking people.

I've been seeing a lot of TikToks of her doing extremely normal. things and people being like wow look how relatable she was like and not even like uh harry is standing behind her one time and she's like talking to one of his friends from the military something and he goes uh i i shared a tent with him granny and she like chuckles a little bit and it's like wow he called her granny like she was look what a normal person she was and it's it's all very odd and it's all the same like four clips she like cuts a cake one time and people were like wow she cut cake if the queen was a Twitch streamer I would have felt bad that she died

but now it's like whatever there is the element that she's literally that whole family are just pet humans yeah and they're just like dressed up dolls that have no real power they're mascots that like that's why like Will and Kate are trying to

not Will Kate Harry Harry and Megan and Megan try to escape and like Diana it is kind of crazy how Harry and Megan are they are kind of living like a fairy tale storyline, aren't they? Like Prince runs away.

Like Prince runs away to find true love. Is it? Well, they make that same movie every year. Yeah. The Prince runs away. A princess, a humble girl grows up in America, ends up becoming a princess

only to realize that it's not everything that she wanted convinces her prince to abdicate the throne and run away in pursuit of true love. I've seen this movie. I don't remember what it's called. Madeline, have you seen it? It's the, oh, I've got to think,

the Christmas Prince or something. Is that, it's the one with Vanessa Hudgens, isn't it? No, they remade it with her, I think. The first one had Rose McIver. Yeah, yeah, yeah, this is the movie. You just described a Christmas Prince on Netflix. Good film. Okay.

Solid movie. But is the remake with Vanessa Hudgens? Yeah, they redid it, I think. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've noticed that we haven't really had a great addition to the Christmas canon recently. Like, what's the most important, or the best piece of art or cinema or music or whatever you want to call it that's come out recently that you think will stand the test of time and be added to the list of Christmas things. For example, I would say, oh, yeah, Elf is probably already in there.

Is that too far away? Kelly Clarkson's Christmas song is really good. Mariah Carey, all I want for Christmas is you. The first time I heard that, I was like, that's. That's not a Christmas movie. It is. This is not a Christmas movie. I've never actually seen it.

No, it's not about Christmas at all. It's cold. It's cold. It's about the snow in the tundra, but it's not a Christmas movie. Love Actually? That's from a while. No, no, that's not. Yes, it is.

I think that's not. That's actually my gripe. My gripe is there are no good Christmas shit anymore. Like, yeah. We need someone to teach us the true meaning of Christmas again. Love actually is a Christmas movie, though. Should we make a, like, a true meaning of Christmas type? Should we make a,

contribution to Christmas? I think you should do it, Billy. Are we the true meaning of Christmas? Billy regains the true Billy finds out the true meaning of Christmas, yeah. No, Kelly Clarkson Christmas song that came out a couple years ago. It was good. I like that one Christmas song.

The pup punk Christmas song, that was probably up there. You're going to add it to the list of like Christmas songs. Like, you know what I mean? Is it going to be on? I haven't heard it. I'll listen to it. Is Kelly Clarkson song going to make Ariens playlist? It should.

It's really good. I'll listen. Matter of fact, I'll listen to it right now. Y'all discuss amongst each other. It's really good. I like it. What else has been added recently? No real good TV specials, right? There's no TV specials anymore, like period.

Yeah. That's tough. Oh, the Bill Murray Christmas Netflix special? Oh, I didn't see that. Is it like a stand-up thing? Yeah, wait. A very Murray Christmas, 2015. That's good. That's a good title for it.

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stool five at checkout did you see that the um the air force put out like a memorandum for language in the workspace it's like um the old phrase versus the new phrase kind of thing there's obviously some like things that we can't say on here but i'm going to send it you guys have to read it's absolutely hilarious okay um before we get into the qan on stuff too and i will check this and we'll discuss it um i want to hear what this whole don't eat the bugs thing is about because I saw that we put out a shirt that says don't eat the bugs and so I feel like I need I need an explanation as to what don't eat the bugs is so I have a whole explanation because of how protein processing in you know the world is so environmentally unsustainable

cattle farming dairy ranching pork production factory farming yeah they want to switch the protein source to bugs which have uh are less environmentally impactful and um easier farm and uh because of that they want to normalize bug protein being in things so like protein powders uh they're sneaking into pastas um cricket cricket powder and because it is true it's much easier and environmentally sustainable to create more biomass containing protein through bugs than cows because you can just grind the whole things up the thing with it is that like you know if they come out with a bug patty that replaces you know a beef burger they want to like the idea is that they're going to replace beef and McDonald's and all the fast food that has protein in it with you know instead of pink

slime it's going to be pink slime made of cricket who who's they they they is think tanks that are trying to be more sustainable and help global warming. All right, so, but aren't there a lot of very powerful conglomerates that are heavily invested in meat? Yeah, but the thought process, this actually factors into Q&N, which we'll get into later, but the thought process is that they're buying up those large conglomerates,

like Bill Gates buying tons of farm and farmland in order to make that switch. I don't think that it's a new thing, though, for bug protein. I think people are just talking, like, it's been in the news more, but it's because it's designed to get clicks from people getting upset about bug pro. I remember eating, like, cricket flour 20 years ago, and it was a thing where it's like, yeah, if you grind up. When did you eat cricket flour? Like 20 years ago.

They put it in chocolate chip cookies. It's been going on for a while. I know you think that it's new. But it's only because people, I think, are getting mad about it that's made it seem new. It has some Q-Anon-type impacts because they say it's part of the great reset that's being planned. Okay. But that's the, but other people are just pissed that they're trying to make see bugs. Okay.

But in like, it's a very harm, the most harmless part of that whole conspiracy. So people are just like, I don't eat bugs. Got it. But it's like, it's supposed to be like the liberal agenda taking off. Yeah. Got it. But it's not, I think the guys in the office saying it aren't, they're just like, We're not going to eat the bugs.

It's Jack Mack. Okay. Okay, got. But there is some writing about how Chittin, C-H-I-T-I-N, which exoskeletons and bugs are made out of. Like, for example, it's like cellulose. Like, cellulose, the human body can't break down because, you know, we don't have cell walls. We have cell membranes and cell walls make a cellulose. And then bugs have different sort of different cell members.

membranes to humans and that involves a lot of chit chitin c h i t i which is what the exoskeletons are made up of in that consumption of chitin heavily inflames your digestive system because the body just can't break it down and has no use for it so there is that element of the inflammatory factor but i don't know if it would compare to like the inflammatory factor of red meat okay all right well Cricket flour and a chocolate chip cookies is delicious. I don't know about the rest of it. That's all, that's my personal take.

Also, chick filet is delicious. McDonald's is great. What happens if they start coming out with cricket burgers or roach burgers? Are they going to be good tasting? Like, let's say they're like the Beyond burgers. So the Beyond breakfast sausage wrap thing from Dunkin' Donuts is pretty good.

I'll give them that one. But if it, yeah, if it tastes good, I guess I'll try it. Because a lot of the institutional investing that was going into beyond meats and stuff, because remember like two years ago, I don't know, that was back when I wasn't working at Barcelona was working in finance. And that was like that stock IPOing was the whole rage. And I was just like, well, this is where it's going. And now that sort of institutional investing is being applied to the crick. To bugs.

Yeah, because the vegetables, the vegetable fake meat alternatives couldn't get the same protein. levels without having high sodium like it just wasn't working out okay so i'm i'm looking at beyond meat and their stock chart here since 2019 look up uh since 20 it's not doing well 2018 yes it's not doing well at all so they're trying to those same institutional investors are now sort of going to a different sector to try to make a meat alternative okay will i eat the bugs who knows maybe Cricket flour chocolate chip cookies Pretty good tasting

I don't really want to eat roaches though Quick quick thing I have a question Because I've been like really like Because everyone talks about How cow farts and methane stuff And cow burps are causing climate change How is it is the

I know it's a huge factor But I just want to see the numbers Comparatively of the cattle population The US now In the bison population Pre European Settlement of America So are you saying that that bison farts were better for the environment i think they may be better but i'm just i want to see

the number factor and whether there is a distinction between bison farts and burps between the issue the issue is not um the amount the issue is how like factory farming so factory farming and how uh how much they are um that's a word put in the same place in a very large amount and that's That build up in methane is not normal for the ecosystem. So the methane, but the methane being released because it's more concentrated is worse than... There you go, concentrated. Okay. Okay.

And the fact that we have so much of them. It's like we do it just for meat consumption, but we have to like put them all there. We have to feed them all there. But did you guys ever hear the stories of Lewis and Clark talking about how there was just too much bison walking across the plane? Lewis and Clark? No, I don't think so. Lois? Am I saying right?

Lewis and Clark. I thought it was Lois and Clark. Lois and Clark. That's the show about Superman. L-E-W-I-S. Well, we're talking about Meriwether Lewis. Oh, I don't know that.

Okay. My apologies. Wait, were you joking? Aaron, I was just playing along with you. You've never heard of Lewis and Clark? I've never heard of Lewis and Clark. Who's Lewis and Clark? What?

You have no idea who Lewis and Clark? You played Oregon Trail, right? back in the day like when I was in elementary school Yeah so Lewis and Clark They were the explorers That got sent to explore all the land Of the Louisiana purchase

Oh okay Yeah never do their names And so they went all the way to To Oregon To the coast Portland Yeah founded Portland Checked out of Portland

The Dales Nice Yeah No it's a great story of adventure I'm sure it's very problematic we look up the details now. What's Sakajua? Oh, yeah.

Did they kidnap Sakadjuwia and make her go with them? I think the story is that they took her and maybe did some bad things with her and to her. Oh. Did they get married? Who? Am I making that up? Sacchia married one of them. I believe it was Clark.

I could be wrong. Consensually? Probably not. I would assume. No. Well, also the... Let's not look too deeply into Lewis and Clark here. That might be its own episode.

Yeah. There's a rumor that... and clark were gay for it show i love that hey anything goes in the bush i love that if you go back you know just like 50 years or more if there's like a uh a famous pair of guys that did something together you can always start to remember yeah they were blowing each other you if they were gay you can't cancel them is that true i don't know i i don't think anyone's canceling lewis and clark uh well i think if we went into it probably but yeah they just would have sacadjuie never existed That's just what Lewis called Clark's nuts at.

You're going to bring Sackadouille with this, aren't we? Aren't we, Lewis? We're going to do some exploring. From coast to coast. Air Force phrases. Oh, yeah. So, Avery sent over this list of Air Force phrases. That looks fake to me.

Avery, um, that looks. I think it's fake. Although it does have my favorite phrase in the world on there, which is eat shit and die. That's your favorite phrase in the world? I love telling people to eat shit and die. I saw it on Twitter. Wait, some of these translations don't make sense. Yeah, so one says,

Eat, shit, and die should now be replaced with, excuse me. And then eat shit and die, motherfucker, should be replaced with, excuse me, sir. That doesn't make sense. Yeah, so this is, I think this was created to go viral on, like, military Twitter. You know what it reminds me of? Something that we're kind of overdue for right now, which is the fake dorm letter that gets posted every year.

Quit coming in the shower. Yeah, yeah. There's always a like a memorandum that gets put in a big state school's dorm saying like it's an all guy dorm, quit masturbating the showers. The semen is clogging up the pipes and we've had to replace them. If you continue to do this, you're going to cost us millions of dollars. There's always, excuse me, there's always like a picture of that letter that goes viral every year. We're kind of overdue for it right now.

So if anybody out there goes to a big state school, just kind of look up that template, whip one up, and guaranteed to do some numbers online. Just tag us in it, please. So we were talking about the queen a little bit in her, how nice she is on the sticks. This is a good segue into today's topic because she did pass away. Allegedly last week, we don't know. There might be a queen replacement. She might still be alive. she might have been arrested in Sinta Guantanamo Bay.

She might have stopped getting baby blood. Yeah, she, yeah, exactly. She might be going through withdrawals of adrenachrome. But there's been some conspiracy talk about her online. Do you know, do you know what's going on with that? Have you guys heard about this? What? So the Q&ON followers have started to develop their own conspiracy theories

because anytime anybody famous dies, It's just rife for anybody to just riff about conspiracies related to their death or alleged death. But there's a couple called The Patriot Voice. That's John and his wife, Amy. They're kind of like Q&N celebrities at this point. They have a blog post up that says that Queen Elizabeth may have been killed as part of a plan

that Q&N believes has secretly been carried out for years in a post on telegram where the sables have more than 64,000 followers, the Patriot voice noted that the Queen's death on Thursday happened exactly 1,776 days after the first Q drop, cryptic posts that appeared online in October 2017 on 4chan. These messages, which later appeared on 8chan and 8chan and 8 Coon, were interpreted, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, they said the Queen died exactly 1,776 days after the first Q drop. Say what you want.

I do not believe in coincidences. The scope of this operation is far more complex than we can even begin to imagine. So another account, Stormy Patriot, Stormy Patriot Joe wrote, Today the Queen passes. I'm sure it's still all a coincidence. She was old as fuck. Were you here on Monday? Yeah. Do you remember me bringing this?

Yeah, you did bring it. You did bring it up. But it's now it's going like, now it's going viral. One faction thought a random New Zealand guy was the rightful monarch. I've seen multiple speeches drilled at Q&N on. conventions where speakers stopped talking about Democrats to instead rant about the House of Windsor, who is the queen of England? How long in power? With power comes corruption. The Q drop begins. Basically saying that the British monarchy worship Satan. So, well, that wouldn't shock me. That wouldn't shock me at all either. But it's just kind of fun. Like,

anytime somebody dies, it becomes part of the plan for a lot of the Q and non-followers. And Q isn't really in charge of anything anymore. It's just, It's become so widespread that now the fans have become, like, the main celebrities and the main bits of news from QAnon. But let's take it back a little bit and discuss just Q&on from a bird's eye view here. So, O.G. QAnon. Yeah. The original Q&ON was a poster on 4chan. It started in October.

May. Wait one sec. May to July of 2020, it was basically very concentrated on this idea that, no, no, no, October 2017. Yeah, 2017. Okay. And what, hey, Billy, what's 4chan? 4chan is a anonymous message board site where there are tons of terrible things happening.

Yeah. So 4chan was started as a Chan board. and what those are is they start out as image boards for like fans of anime and people who wanted to just post memes and have a little corner of the internet that they could be completely anonymous in and have complete and total free reign to do anything that they wanted and post anything that they want but for the most part it was like fans of anime fans of like these weird fandoms and subcultures online that got together to make their own memes and really just kind of like troll the rest of the internet and they got really good at it so um before cuanon you might recognize for chan from uh you know the chocolate rain video the chan boards made that popular it was just a video that they found they thought it was funny and so then they started posting at other places and spreading the meme out to others they also are responsible for Rick rolling.

Yeah. They created the Rick roll where you just send that Rick Astley song never going to give you up never going to let you down to people. So the place where Q started was on

4chan which is one of the greatest collection of internet trolls of all time in terms of their what's the word I'm looking for here? What they're they it's kind of crazy

but their online presence is it's a collection of prowess Prolice. Internet soldier. Like, it's a, it's a force. I know it sounds crazy. They refer to a bunch of dudes. The dudes in the basement with too much time and they use a lot of their time to be on the internet. And they have the ability to sway since now most people are on the internet. They were there first and they now have the ability to sway opinion through posting and putting into legwork. Yeah. No, they're very good at the internet. So good that that's where anonymous kind of started was on the Chan boards, they would meet up with each other. And if you post on these message boards, you get your own, I forget what they call it. It's like your own screen name, but it's a trip code, I think is what they call it. And so it's totally anonymous, but people can look at your code. And every time you post, they're like, oh, that's that same person posting. So they can recognize users that are posting a lot and people that they like to follow and who's

putting out good content and all that stuff but it's still completely anonymous um the only thing that like when you log in you have your password and then you log in and then you can post under your trip code and people follow you know people get into these they develop internet culture i that's kind of the best way to describe it is like these message boards are places where the internet kind of gets it gets like mixed together and and bread i could say like they they create different memes and different things that like us normies will find out about it maybe six months down the line a year down the line but they create internet culture on these message boards

I refer to 4chan as like there's different depths of the internet in the surface level is what most people consume I'd say like Facebook you know and then it gets deeper and deeper like Facebook then maybe Twitter then maybe Reddit and then Reddit goes to 4chan 8chan deeper it gets deeper I think I may I think we talked about this earlier when this podcast existed,

but I think I made it a graphic. But that what happens deep down impacts the surface. And like just like an ocean, just like in an ocean, like the bottom dwellers impact the ecosystem of the top dwellers. And the top dwellers shit goes down to the bottom. And those bottom dwellers eat it. Yeah.

Like so you could. you could directly say that the election of Donald Trump is a result of a lot of these guys in the great meme war and they're pushing of various conspiracy theories and attitudes towards women and other things like the misogyny of the deep web came up in the 2016 election and that's where like you know the demonization of Hillary Clinton the pushing of the hatred I think I'm gonna push back on that I think a lot of people already hated Hillary before but I'd say the

deep seed massagony so there's definitely there's definitely an element of truth to that where the these message boards they they blur a line between irony and real thought sometimes

and sometimes they do things just as as Trevor Bauer would say for the lulls which is by the way Trevor Bauer came and we interviewed him and he used that phrase in real life and it made my skin crawl to hear somebody say that like have those words come out of their mouth as opposed to like reading them online which is already cringy enough but for him to be like yeah you know I just did that I just wrote Bush did 9-11 on the pictures mound for the walls it was weird it's weird to hear somebody say but that's kind of the mentality that they have is like they're trolls so they'll do they kind of get into a battle with each other to see you can be more edgy and they're just doing it to be edgy and they claim that it's irony but then at some point the irony becomes them and then they get into almost a nihilistic mindset which they've kind of developed and honed over the years where they just they don't believe like in anything really and they just do anything

to disrupt because they think that it's funny and to be fair again like it sounds like i'm i'm pro 4chan and 8chan which I'm not but I still respect the hell out of like that what they have been able to do not like how do I describe this I don't like what they've done but I respect that they were able to do it because they're very very good at developing internet culture and spreading it out far and wide just as trolls yeah so like the means you're talking out before I think it was just kind of necessary like um because the internet was just so new like this was part like i'm not saying necessary and it's like that we needed it but it's necessary and effective like in the development of because the internet is basically just like our inner thoughts and this was a

like the in the underbelly of american society and it was kind of like brewing anyway so i think it's always good to address like what is really the soul of something right and like the soul of human beings like like a lot of people do a lot of bad and dark shit behind closed doors and these message boards kind of highlight all those behaviors and all those attitudes and I think it's kind of necessary to really psychoanaly where we're at as a society and as humanity. So when we talk about setting up like a social network where it's just 100% free speech about anything, this is what the Chan message boards are. It's 100% free speech and there's some very funny stuff that comes out of there

stuff that impacts people's lives they can help people but also there's some really dark shit that comes out of there like posting manifestos before people go on like race related shooting sprees or child pornography which has been on these message boards time and time again people have been busted entire rings of child porn people have been busted on there

there have been people that post snuff films on there like actual murderers posting their own snuff films onto the Chan message boards. And it has radicalized a lot of people and turned them into people who just have turned their backs entirely on society and are actively doing things to try to bring it down because they hate their lives so much because of all the time they've spent reading these things online. So it is really a, it's a place of complete and total free speech.

You can get away with doing anything you want there up to a certain extent until you do break a law. And then they go back and they trace, okay, here's where this person was radicalized. But it is kind of the danger of having a spot that's just like, okay, say or do whatever you want. Free play for everybody. They have it and this is what you get out of it. I have a question. Mm-hmm.

Was 4chan or QAnon started first? Fortune. Fortune. So did QN? So actually Q didn't get its really prominence until 8chan. So 4chan was where it started. Um, but I forget the specifics of it. The, the Q moderation board got, uh, a bunch of outside, basically multiple people tacked into the Q account and they had to move to 8chan where it had stricter, uh, anonymous singular account usage and those the moderation.

They had like, they were so, I forget the event that happened that that 4chan banned. something. It was because... It was when there was those three shootings in a row. There was one in Texas, one in Ohio, and they basically started moderating for Chan. It might have been Pittsburgh. Yeah. Pittsburgh. Yeah. Oh, Dayton. Was it the Dayton? Yes. There's those three. The one in El Paso, which we kind of, we don't talk about that one ever anymore, even though I think 21 people died. Terrible. And the person was like, yeah, I'm trying to kill illegal immigrants. And he posted his manifesto onto 4chan but we don't really talk about that one anymore but that was that was instrumental i think in them closing down 4chan but then everybody went over to 8chan is a thing yeah

and it was those moderators um what is it ronnie wilkins it was um uh frederick brinnon he helped to start it and then the wakins got involved so so frederick brennan is a very unique guy if you've seen the documentary on hbo i think it's called into the storm, he was born with a disability that, I forget the name of it, but his bones are very, very brittle. So he can't really do anything without getting injured. He can't be physically active. And he's a really small guy. I think he said at one point, he's like, I can't cook because if I spill a pot of water onto myself, I'm about the size of a pot of water. And so it could very easily kill me. But he's been, I think he was the creator of 8chan. And when everybody went over

to 8chan, after 4chan got shut down, the site was doing so many numbers. He wasn't ready for it that he was going to have to shut it down. And then the Watkins family reached out to him. So Ron Watkins is the guy that you might have seen. He's got a son. I think his son is Jim Watkins. So they reached out to him, they're based in the Philippines, and they had some connections that would be able to help 8chan really take off and be able to handle all this traffic. So that's how they got together. And so Frederick... I think Ron Watkins is the son. I think Jim Watkins is the dad. That's right. Yeah. Ron, I think just ran for Congress or something. Real weird family. But I've heard some interviews with Fred Brennan, and he's talking about the first time he met Jim

Watkins and he was like yeah my first impression was this guy is just a stereotypical porn guy just absolutely loves porn like a real creepy old man that will go up to anybody and hit on anybody but also like very conniving and they used to talk behind the scenes about how they were you know they would do these active things where they would troll the mainstream media they would try to troll the United States government and they would look around the world at like super fascism in Italy, super fascism in Japan that was rising up and saying like we could actually like fuck with people and make this rise up in the United States too. So this was like a conversation they were having for fun like behind the scenes that

Frederick Brennan claims that he used to overhear and take part in. And then at some point they kind of stole 8chan from Frederick. And they said, okay, we're just going to take this over ourselves and render ourselves. And it's kind of funny because a lot of people accuse Jim Watkins of stealing, I think, the Tuchan. He like stole the Tuchan from the original. From a Japanese engineer, yeah, from a Japanese engineer. So this is kind of what he's done. Yeah.

And so like that was like in the 90s. Tuchan actually started like in the 90s. And that was just like a Japanese image board where they, because the Japanese internet laws are really different than here. Right. And so they found it. a way to go around the laws and on these message boards was where, like, one of the first, it was before 4chan too. It was, it was actually interesting, the, the name 2chan came from like when you want to change

the TV for those old gaming consoles like Nintendo. Yeah. So like, you had to change it to channel two in order to get it, get it playing. But, yeah, so he ended up kind of like writing, they had like massive lawsuits about it. They wrote him out of like the content. contracts and stuff like that. And so when 4chan, I mean, so when 8chan was started, the, who's, Frederick, what's his name, Frederick?

Yeah, Frederick Brennan. Yeah, Frederick Brennan, he, he, it started getting like really grotesque. And he was like, no advertisers wanted to touch it. And he was like, this isn't even a profitable endeavor. And so he kind of explained how, like, why would you guys want this? when it's not even profitable. And he said, this is really interested in me. He said, you know how rich people just have a boat?

He's like, yeah, he's like, rich people have boats. And it's not necessarily, it's a liability. It's not an asset. It's a liability. It's like, this is their boat. And so that, that, that to me was like very telling and why. I'm pretty sure you're going to get to, but like as to why this whole thing has came about. because when Q starts to form its head,

it gets really interesting, but go ahead. Yeah. So they end up taking this site over from Frederick Brennan as well. And Billy, it looks like you got something on your mind. Well, this all really starts with Pizza Gate. And this was one of these theories that was pushed in the great meme war, where in a lot of the emails released by Edward Snowden, that had all the Obama

Snowden did the NSA of surveillance but you're thinking WikiLeaks wasn't no Assange

sorry I get those guys missed up Julian Assange Julian Assange WikiLeaks released all these emails in the emails there was Benghazi

stuff people started looking through the emails and seeing stuff that they didn't understand but one thing that stood out was these large

payments to catering companies for pizza and hot dogs and what we now know and we'll talk about in the interview later is that these payments weren't typical as you think but many people saw the V shape with pizza thought it was like a pedophile slang for vagina hot dogs a pedophile slang for penises and they took this ran with it and said that comet pizza which was a popular pizza place in Washington that had

some events that had to do with politics was the site of a pedophile ring where, you know, politicians and powerful people would go to obtain child slaves in the basement. Like Hillary Clinton ran. Yeah, like, is what they were saying. This pizza gate ended when a guy went there with an assault rifles and tried to shoot it up and tried to free the kids, which, yes, this guy was duped, but. that like that guy actually thought there was kids in the basement yeah and so we're going to get to our guests in a little bit from stuff they don't want you to know and they are going to kind of go off a little bit on that too we're going to we're going to discuss that theory um but yeah so so pizza gate starts and uh it was started on these boards and by a guy named FBI anon is what he called himself so he was saying that he was in the FBI and this is where the Clintons are doing these sex trafficking things and um essentially what happened was it starts with like a small kernel of truth right and the small

kernel of truth is that bill clinton is a fucking pervert and should be in jail and they hated uh Hillary Clinton for years as we've discussed in the Hillary Clinton episode of macrodosing but it starts with that that little colonel that yes Bill Clinton is um a very problematic guy to say the least and then they just they saw these emails and like oh shit what can we do with these emails there's so much stuff from Hillary Clinton, oh, let's just invent a pedophile conspiracy around it. And then we're going to make up all these different graphs showing, like, pizza is a code word for this, walnut sauce is a code word for this, and we're going to make screenshots and distribute those so that people will think that these are actual law enforcement terms.

And then the rest of the Internet's not going to know that we're the ones that completely made it up. the time it gets disseminated to all these people, so many people will believe that it's true that it won't really matter. It'll take on a life of its own. The thing is what fueled this fire is Huma Aberdeen, who was Hillary Clinton's chief of staff. Her husband, Anthony Wiener, was then found in 2011. Yeah, this is, it was pre. It was pre- Pizza Gate, which made, which made her the perfect like part to this yeah because anthony weiner also pervert should be in jail yeah because he was a pervert because he's a pervert and so they they tied it all together as as a joke it was like a big inside joke to see how many people they could get to believe this so

they essentially created a story about what was happening at this comic pizza and then watch the story kind of get spun out there and get out of control and everybody was like adding on to this story and going and looking for more secret like codes in the emails that were coming out, they would go to Hillary's speeches and look at either things that she was wearing or things she was saying in the speech and then tied it. It became like a giant mystery novel that everyone was contributing to. And like people love to be a part of something like that, a community. People love to be a part of something that they feel is bigger than themselves.

And if they feel like they're disrupting a child's sex ring, then, it's you know it's hard to tell somebody like hey uh don't worry about all the pedophiles that have kids locked in cages underneath this pizza restaurant it's hard to get somebody to give that up if they truly believe that it's happening so it became so widespread and meanwhile uh the people that started it are laughing and they're like i can't believe this shit's gotten this far out of control and then it becomes a game of one upsmanship to see who can contribute the more like absurd thing that will then be believed by the masses if that makes sense also is there more like anthony weiner is one of those names that just like dude sends picks of his wiener to everybody

like anthony wiener you're saying the name is a little too perfect well it's kind of like i know this is crazy by this theory like usane bolt bolt bolt bolting yeah really fast like he's the fastest man in the world yeah anthony i'm not the only relation is like like there's Show me names that match up. You know, the best one, the best one, though, is, is Magic Johnson. Yes. Yes. Yeah.

Yes. I've never thought of that. Oh, yeah. Wild, huh? Magic Johnson. Where are some other ones? I mean, think about it. You don't think, you think something's up, though.

With magic? I don't think something's up. I've had somebody tell me that something's up. Yes. Hold on that. You don't think something's up. I don't think he has it? I've heard somebody say that he doesn't have it.

He got that shit, man. Yeah, I think he has it too. The reason why I believe it is because my uncle had got HIV when I was a kid. And he is still alive. And he's been gone since it's been almost 30 years now where he's had HIV. And he's not no 100 millionaire. He's just a regular cat. He's probably below the poverty line.

and still can afford medicine and he's prospering and he's what 60 some years old now that's crazy that's that's actually yeah i i'd always just assumed that magic was only a lot because he has the funds and resources to do anything which i'm sure helps i'm sure that helps a lot no a thousand percent of hell in terms of like sure my uncle struggles we don't talk to him because he called my mama bitch so fuck him but yeah fuck that guy yeah fuck him but uh he's still lot. Yeah, I don't want him to die, but if I see him, it's on site. Yeah, because I don't make my grandma mad, you know, upset. So, yeah. It won't he be on site? Like, what I like fighting a 60-year-old, you know what I'm telling? I will. I will fight him. But I'll handle

your light work for you. BFT on your bump uncle, Max, was popping. I'm sending that clip to my mom. Please clip that I'm sending it to my mom. I just, I don't want to beat them up too bad, you know, because, like, I don't want him to, I want to, you know, a manslaughter charge. I don't know, Aaron knows what I'm saying. Like, I don't want to get blood on me. Well, he's, I mean, but I'm, listen, I will punch him. I will get, if I see him, because I don't appreciate him disrespecting your mother like that, I'll punch him as hard as I can in his stomach. There you go. What if he, like, uh, like, uh, like a chokehold or some. Yeah, yeah, something like that. All right. Uh, back, that's what scares me about.

No, no, man. Back to Q stuff, Billy. Yeah, so Pete's Gate put it into motion that there might be a cabal of pedophiles in Washington, D.C. And it kind of morphed with not only is there like a two-party system that all sort of is in bed with each other and just manipulate the public through lobbyists and funds, which is true, has now been intertwined with this pedophile conspiracy, which could be some. up in Trump's usage of the swamp. So not only was the swamp, just people scratching each other back in Washington, totally oblivious to the rest of America, not actually caring about the people and just serving corporate lobbyists, but now they're also pedophiles.

Yeah. And so then in 2017, it was October 28th, 2017, it was under the Paul board of 4chan. The Paul board is politically incorrect. and it was like one of the worst places on the internet. I think it's safe to say. Maybe like a top three place on the internet. I was pronounced it pole. Is not pull?

It might be poll. I was just saying like politically, Paul. I don't know. Pull, let's call it. You might be right. Yeah, you might be right. Big T, have you ever stumbled into these corners of the internet? I've never heard of this.

Yeah. The Reddit politics group chat. Yeah. Yeah, it's fucking terrible. But this was this was on on 4chan under the pull. board are you on any of the chance billy no i'm actually not i i just reddit just read it reddit's where i'm a big reddeter um unfortunately wait billy i don't believe you that you're not on the chance i literally go to my history right now you can do show i know you definitely use duck

duck go duck go can still be picked up i don't go on reddit because like look have you have you ever been on the chance I have seen, I've, I've gone on the chans, but I've never made an account in posting anything. You're a lurker. That's like me saying I don't have a Reddit. I'm a lurker. Yeah, but I've only done it just to check it out. And I more consume any 4chan content through Reddit.

After it's been filtered to Reddit. Yeah. Like how you see TikToks on Instagram Reels. Got it. But you can look up 4chan on my Google account history. Okay. I trust you. I don't know why I said that.

I do trust you, kind of. It's just, honestly, it's kind of weird because you don't really know how it works because it's a weird HTML. Like, it's not user friendly. You have to, like, have a little bit of coding insight. You got to work for it. To, like, figure out how to get places on Fortune. Okay.

I bet you that's, I mean. That's kind of half the problem. Like, that's why the only, it's like a boys club because the only people who know how to get into it is kind of people. Like computer science kids. Yeah. Yeah. It's people who are very, they're like power users of the internet. They're running this thing.

There's nothing that they can't do online. They're very good at the internet, unlike us normies. Which makes them scary. Yeah, yeah, because they can influence a lot of stuff. They're very, very good at it. And that's what I've always wondered about the Q movement is if you look at people that are Q supporters and that are holding like the where we go one, we go all like signs and flags, they're not people that you would look at and be like this person is they fucking own the internet

you know like they're usually somebody that looks like they share a meme on facebook because their neighbor shared it you know but i think that's where they're actually getting all of the stuff from it's like that filtration system exactly so it's like they're getting the concentrated version of it rather than this like overwhelming amount of it which it's kind of like you see a tweet and then how or how like billy and i are like well we read an article and it's actually just a TikTok. Like, they're getting the... That community doesn't like me, though, because I'm a Chad.

You are a Chad. You are the embodiment of a Chad. You are a fucking cartoon. Well, the OG Chad meme didn't have a beard, and now there's a new Chad meme with a beard, and I can't grow a beard anymore. Is that, wait, is that new... That's Chad? I think that's Chad.

I don't think that's Chad. Are you talking about the guy that just says yes? Yes. Yeah, that's not Chad. I don't think that's... Who is that? I think that's new... I thought Chad was the black and white photo or the dude with the long chin. No, that's the troll.

That's the troll. No, no, no, no. It's a black and white photo. Not stick figure. Like literally black and white, but it's a dude with a long chin. It's like some white dude looking like Johnny Bravo. Yeah, no, I know what he's talking about. And he's got like weird arms.

Oh, Billy's the Chad that is always contrasted to like the Virgin versus the Chad. Billy's the Chad from that meme. So that's why they don't like him because I think Billy gets laid too much. Which I don't. but that's why the Frederick Frederick what's his name yeah Frederick that's why that's why he left his original

site that he made it was actually Wizard Chan he left his original site because it was just for in cells it was only for in cells but he moved to I want to say Thailand somewhere he moved to he moved somewhere he moved somewhere over there and he

ended up sleeping with a prostitute because this prostitute had a fetish. His fetish was her fetish were, was disabled guys. And there was another one that he was. But yeah, so he slept with somebody and so he left Wizard Jax. He had to bow out. He had to be like, sorry guys, I got to turn in my key.

I got to put my turn in my badge and my gun. Oh, that guy. That guy might be a chat. Oh, no, no, that's not the OG chat. That's a giga chat. No, I didn't say this to OG. I think this is like the newer version of the one. That's giga-chat.

It's different. But yeah, it's very, it's almost like, he shows a great amount of honor by, by getting that's OG Chad, but there's a, that's, that's the Billy Chad right there. But the fact that he was like, I can't, I can't run the in-sell message board anymore. I got laid and has to close, that's to close out his entire website. That's very funny. Hey, y'all, I'm out of the group. Just want to let y'all know.

yeah felt good so um 2018 or excuse me october 28th 2017 um on that poll uh board on 4chan uh there's the first cue drop and so you remember how i said a second ago that FBI anon was the guy that was responsible for all the pizza gate stuff there were all sorts of other anans that would post on there be like white house insider anon there's all people just claim to be they call it large It's live action role playing. They would claim to be somebody high up in some branch of government, and they'd leak secrets out, and they were always lies, and it turned out none of them were actually who they said they were.

And then this is just another version of that, and this guy was called QAnon, because they said they had Q clearance, which is the equivalent of top secret clearance, I think, in the Department of Energy, which is really weird, specific thing for them to say, like, okay, I've got Q-level clearance. I guess it sounds cool. Yeah. Like it's, actually,

the more I say it, it sounds cooler to be like, I have Q level clearance than to say like, I have top secret clearance. Q is like, ooh, what's that? Yeah.

It's mysterious. Did we ever figure out if that's an actual clearance level? It is. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean,

November, so I actually have the themes of all the posts month like period by period from October 2017 to October 2017 to October 2020, where it sort of ended. It's pretty fast of a timeline, and we can sort of go bit by bit. So in October 2017, basically the first drops were talking about HR, like one of the terms was HRC extradition, basically talking about Operation Mockingbird and media manipulation, especially when it comes to attacking Trump,

making Hillary out as innocent when it comes to emails and everything. um huma abidine some of the pizza gate uh themes and this whole idea that the media is controlled by these pedophiles who are vilifying trump the savior and attacking and uh you know absolving hillary clinton in her people of any sin and you know the media like there's a couple of events i wrote down after we get through all of them there's certain events that i think were huge parts of people getting convinced but I think the media

sort of treatment of Donald Trump was one of the reasons why this sort of started to catch on with his narrative yeah because everybody was straight up you know upset like the media did attack Donald Trump

a lot when he was running at first they treat him like a joke and then they treated him like a direct threat and they all went after him and I think for people that were more inclined to support the Republican nominee when they saw the entire mainstream media attacking their guy and then they saw somebody posting online about like they're all controlled by the same person here's why I think that was very easy for them to understand and to get involved with

because people do treat politics in America like it's a team sport like they root for their side and so I've listen I've rooted for some fucking terrible football teams over the the course of my life. Like I'm a Washington Redskins football team commander fan. Run by a terrible person. Run by a bad guy. I was radicalized in like 2002, 2003, being like the entire media hates us. And I had like a list of NFL columnists that I would not read.

I'd be like, that guy is so biased against our team. It's like, well, no, maybe it's because my team just sucks ass. And it took me a long time to realize that. But I did think there was like a mockingbird operation. operation where they're telling Lynn Pascarelli to say bad things about Mark Brunel's five for 15 performance, not because he was bad, but because he has an ax to grind against the Washington Redskins. I think this media kickback had all to do with because Trump was a content machine that they gave him so much exposure that they realized after he won the Republican

National Convention that they're like, oh shit, like we gave him so much attention. He's winning. Thousand percent, correct. It was a snake eating itself. He was so good. for ratings during the primaries like and during all the debates he was so good for them that they kept they gave what they did the estimation that they gave like two trillion dollars in marketing uh huh just just free marketing just because he was so entertaining yeah and it backfired on him once they realized the monster that they created then they tried to tear it down and you already you can't you can't you can't heard that cat you know back in the bag so they a thousand percent created that

monster well hang on it was prime it's just prime pickings for it or a something like Q2 rear tit I mean it was even better for them that he won though in yeah yeah in some ways you're talking about ratings yeah yeah yeah I mean we'll never see those type of also viewership numbers ever again just to get through

unless he wins again just to get through this but um George Soros was also implicated that was a big one sort of some of the anti-Semitic theories in the October post uh November 2017 started to go after Hillary Clinton in Saudi Arabia the tagline was Alice in Wonderland, Wonderland being Saudi Arabia, Alice being Hillary Clinton. Basically, it was talking about Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton being beholded to Saudi interests

and how they're being paid off by them. So this was talking about how the deep states being funded by money in the Middle East, that directly contradicts American values. And that's why the country was going the way it was, why Iran was getting weapons. uh at that time was during the iran nuclear deal uh negotiations now that sort of fades because other timelines get implicated december 2017 john mccane is now connected to a terrorist group according to q that was when john mcane started speaking out against trump um they then there was a press release that they had claimed was trump trying to start to go after these groups called

the united states sanctions of human rights abusers and bad actors and that was sort of gave some legitimacy uh where that same month that Barack Obama uh they started referring to him as Hussein uh so it had taken the name ran it like they referred to him as his hussein but uh turns out Obama's uh secret service code name was renegade so then they sort of thought that the secret service had called him renegade because he was portraying the country um yeah they had there's all these little breadcrumbs that they used to they used to leave and so cue would make these posts and then everybody else would try to interpret what the fuck cue was talking about and they'd create their own lure they would take uh like certain

words that he would say and then they'd write about them and turn like the post that cue would make into longer articles that they would write interpreting and so many people develop these massive online presences for being like Q whispers, for being the people that would take what Q said and then interpret it and tell everybody else what Q actually meant by that. And it became an online ecosystem. And now if you're thinking, well, where are all these old people? How are they involved? Are the people that are actually like holding Q signs and wearing Q shirts? They're not involved. Where would they go to find a Q drop? Are these people getting signed up for like 4chan and 8chan? No, they're not. They're

were other websites that then sprung up to track Q. So there was, I think there was one called like QMAPs. Well, it came up on Facebook posts. And then the big one, which we all forgot even existed, email chains. Oh yeah, the forwards. The forwards got a lot of people. This was then when they started talking about the Red Cross, whose offices are in Haiti. So like, that was when they started connecting the Clintons back to pedophilia with Haiti with their involved. with the Red Cross and the Haitian earthquake which is true

that they did some fucked up stuff in Haiti during the earthquake so that's what makes it so tough is like they have legitimate criticisms that are

that are sprinkled into these theories so it's tougher to say that it's awful of shit yeah so old saying the best place

to hide a lie is between two truths oh that's good hmm that's where we play two truths in a lot that's really good so

arian foster is a great musician he's got great hands and he's a very very good podcaster you're a dick of january 2018 uh so when they started to basically this is what really tipped a lot of people off who were like on the fence but convinced a lot of very um naive people Trump misspelled consequential on Twitter and put a cue in it consequential

instead of consensual Wait Consequential has a cue No he meant I got that wrong actually He meant to say

consensual I thought I was fucked up for a second And he's spelled consequential And basically everyone went nuts because Q was involved, the letter. They then started to go talk about Edward Snowden

in describing him as a CIA plant, which like, he was part of the cabal at this point. I'm looking this up. I forgot about this Trump tweet. I can't, there are just so many bangers that the guy had and so many things that would, I can't keep track of all of them. So what Trump tweeted was,

it's enormously consensual presidency it's perhaps the most the most the american people who elected him the most consensual presidency of all time it actually i think it was the most consensual presidency of all time at that point right more people vote for trump yeah than had ever voted for at that point another president before yeah so then this is where the the slogan where we go one we go all became uh popular in january 2018 and this is where robert mueller uh and his activities became a key topic in the month's queue drops so like fake news russia and attorney general rod rosenstein were all part of these drops in january and then in february to march of 2018 operation Merlin, which was not a plot, but they considered a plot by the Obama administration to send

technology to Iran, North Korea. So the nuclear, everyone forgets that like the Iran nuclear nuclear deal was taking place at this point. And it was, you know, the U.S. authorities were sending billions of dollars to pay off, you know, a global cabal that was trying to take down the U.S. and then also Amazon Alexa and Google Home smart speakers were actually part of a voice to skull technology this is one of the funniest ones that they were making they're like trying to implants like reading your mind

and implanting thoughts in your mind through Amazon Alexa and also the reason why this is true is that the reason why Blackberry was destroyed is because they didn't they didn't what's the word comp what the fuck is the word they didn't

they weren't complicit they wouldn't comply they didn't comply compatible blackberry was no blackberry was destroyed because they didn't comply with the voice to skull technology it wasn't compatible

I don't know if it's voice to skull but there is something up with Alexa but the thing is when this is when I miss Blackberry by the way Blackberries were fired BBM had the keyboard Blackberries were fired man

yeah they need to bring back the keyboard on phones that might be my most no I'm not a lot of band of that. No, they need to bring back Blackberry. I forget what model it was, but it had like a leather back. It was awesome. It wasn't like, you remember, you know what I'm talking about? My dad had it. I had the Blackberry Pearl, which was really slow. And everyone felt the same way. So they're like, why would Blackberry go away? It was so good. And Q was like, it's because they didn't do the voice

to skull. Yeah. Not the iPhone. The person that was making these Q drops is very skilled at like weaving in current events to whatever narrative that they're they're creating and then at one point cue switched there was a switch up yeah so the person that was writing the cue drops um a lot of people are saying that it was this dude from south africa uh that was in charge of the message board where cue originally started to post he was in charge of that particular board but that board was a part of 8chan i believe it was 8chan right was or was it 4chan at the time i think it was 8chan but but this this dude from south africa i think his name's paul is that right i thought his name was paul i have no idea anyways he was in charge of this one specific

message board that that cue used to post on that's where everybody used to get all their cue news and then at some point um a different cue started posting on there and what happened was uh the wakins family posted as cue requesting like to be very Because the guy that ran the board where Q used to post would always authenticate, yes, I can see behind the scenes, this is Q posting. Because of the trip, because of the trip code. Because the trip code. Yeah. And so then a new trip code, a different Q person posted under a new trip code saying like, hey, this is Q now. I had to get a new trip code. Can you verify my IP address is still the legit one so people know this is me? and then the Watkins family jumped in because they own the entire message board they jumped in and they said yes this is him specifically Ron Watkins did they because he has a name on it called Code Monkey which is he's like the main admin of the or the entire message board yes he verified that the new Q was the real Q and the old dude that ran the I'm sorry I took your thunder mobile I just watched this

No, go for it, go for it. But the old dude, let's call him Paul because that's what we're going with, he was like, yo, this is way off, this isn't Q. And he got off the Q train because the new Q that was posting, which was verified by CodeMonkey, wasn't sounding the same. Something was off about it. And so he checked it out, different trip code. And subsequently, like, I think like a year later or something like that,

I forget who it was, but they ran analytics from that moment. They analyzed the different messages, all the different messages, and the new Q had an entirely different writing style than the old Q. Yeah. And so you kind of have split camps. Yeah, so the Waukins

is essentially stole Q from this guy. And one of those two guys, either Jim or Ron, I think, became Q at that point. And they started writing all the drops that people would follow. What was the date of that? I don't have the date in front of me trying to pick up the time i think it's 17 it's 2017 sometime okay so we're we're in

18 so april uh when the end of the nuclear deal in april to may 2018 is when there was a shift of narrative of where the how the evil stuff was happening uh this is when q made an appeal to black voters especially increasingly stating that black communities were ideologized so like They try to court black voters by saying that the Democratic Party was run by the cabal and trying to enslave them, basically. Okay. Yeah, so this was when Q's trip code password was leaked, and that leaked, and that's when it caused the switch. Oh, yeah, that's right. It might have been right.

Yeah, you might have been right. April, yeah. So the pass code got leaked, and the pass code was, wasn't it, Matlock? Matt lock. No, just one capital M, Mattlock. no numbers that was the passcode took you I think it got leaked again and I think the second time it got leaked it was still Matt Locke

Who's Matt so I feel like Matt Locke Whoever Matt Locke is Oh you mean like a person named Matthew Locke Yeah No Matt Locke is Oh is that a character played by Andy Griffith It was a TV show You remember the Andy Griffith show?

Mayberry RFD and like that whole thing So as Andy Griffith got older He was no longer playing a sheriff on TV now he was a lawyer oh and old people fucking love Matt Locke so yeah so yeah so this is when

the when the nuclear deal didn't go through Q's shifted from the Iranian nuclear deal to Jeffrey Epstein and then he was like look Jeffrey Epstein he's getting arrested he's a bad dude

true so then it goes from June to July 2018 Q released a hit list of 101 reporters that colluded with the DNC during the 2016 election you know then he started connecting

Bill and Hillary Clinton to Epstein and then because and then this was also while Donald Trump was trying to be impeached and basically he was saying look Trump's getting Epstein this is why they're trying to impeach him the deep states

trying to take him out and they would release a lot of different flight logs yeah from the Epstein flights, some of which had real people that were on those planes, some of which had people that were not on those planes. Yeah. In which case, like, sorry that you got included in all this. But that's how they like to flood the zone

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PFT's just been killed by QNon. They didn't like how he's talking negatively about him. So Big T is now stepped in. Yeah. He's not actually dead. It feels important to mention. Q took him out. He didn't like how he was talking about him.

No, PFT had to go to something. So August, December, 2018 was another big moment where QN got supporters because Brett Kavanaugh was getting accused of various things. and that was when his hearing was. So they're basically saying the accuser is a deep state plant trying to take out Kavanaugh, who would be a huge role in when

this cabal gets taken to justice. And this was actually the first mention of the Democratic Party pulling blank ballots in the midterms. So the whole idea was

this was the first time, like before the election even happened, these blank ballots, they were pushing that narrative that there was going to be false elections this is when i think russia got involved with q i think before it was just catching on but i think after the switch is when you know russia may have gotten involved and tried to undermine democracy by hijacking this four chan um this four chan trend that was catching on is when they started undermining elections and you know Kavanaugh being a deep state plant

I mean Kavanaugh's accuser being a deep state plant I think you know Did they ever figure that out I have no idea Kavanaugh was a deep state plant No that Kavanaugh's accuser Like she Like was that

Was she No so she I mean he got absolved Because there was no like I guess hard evidence But like she still claims that That it happened Okay it sounds like you're kind of involved in QAnon why you're like did they ever figure out that she was a deep state plant no i'm saying did they conclude because i remember the the the evidence was very skeptical talking about something that happened in like thank you um yeah that's hard that's hard to it's hard to prove what 30 40 years ago right but she she still claims that it's uh to my knowledge yet but she still claims that it happens that it happens that it happens so then January spy gate where they talked about Obama spying on Trump then the Russia stuff was

happening they're all saying this pushback on Trump was part of a deep state effort and then basically in July of 2019 when the Ralph Northam stuff came out basically that's when they started attacking Planned Parenthood in saying that Planned Parenthood was the site of taking using baby organs that had nothing to do with the woman's right to choose but whose purpose is to harvest fetuses for profit and that aligned with I think Ralph Northam's quotes on it that Alex Jones always quotes so that was another place where people were getting this information being like yo like this is crazy um the famous one where Alex Jones is on Joe Rogan saying like, I know it's

tart, talk. But there's babies and like, if you remember that, that was another huge moment where Q was kind of getting like some sort of not legitimacy, but like people were like, whoa, yeah, that makes sense. And it was getting more steam. So

then Ock is 2nd to November 10th, 2019 was when the 4chan website, the 8chan website was taken offline. So there's no Q drops. That was because of the shootings, the three shootings. And then...

You didn't talk about... Did you talk about the... The tippy top one? That was like a huge one. So, so this was in 2018. In 2018, January 29th, the Q posted... Maybe Q can work the phrase,

tip-top into the... the state of the union as a shout out to the board because what they would do they would like people all over all over that board they would they would request things okay if it's real have him do this if it's real have him do this and Q would pick and choose on what he would do now there's a litany of shit that has never happened but the stuff that does happen it's super confirming and so one of the things that he said he'll do is he'll have him work tip top tip top tip tip tip tip tip into yeah and so and he did and so in April 2nd when they were doing the

Easter thing, he said it. He said also, I want to thank the White House Historical Association and all that hard work with Melania, with everybody to keep this incredible house or building or whatever you want to call it because there is really no name for it special. And we keep in tip-top shape. We call

it sometimes tippy-top shape. And it's great. It's great place. And so that was two months later, three months later of when Q said it was they'll do it and so that was pretty right

like that sounds pretty on his face that sounds like yo he really did it tip top and then he changed it tippy top yeah so when you actually

like look at it right previous there's been like seven or eight times previously Trump has said tip top or tip top in one of his speeches or one of his interviews

and so And so, like, when you look at, like, stuff like that, it does look appealing. It's like, well, how did he know he was going to say that? Or, you know, but, like, when you, when you look at the formula of it, it's, you, you analyze Trump's speech patterns, you analyze, he repeats himself a lot. That's why he's so easily mimicable. And you can just get, and it's like I said, there's a litany of list of things that hasn't happened that Q said was going to happen.

But, like, the few things that has happened, that's extremely confirming to people who believe it. And that's the dangers about this kind of thing. But that was a real big turning point in 2017, when I was like, yo, gave it a lot of steam. So this was the turning point end of 2019 because the three shootings took H&N offline and Q couldn't post. And then when they got back in November, they kept talking about something big was about to happen. Something big was about to happen. Jeffrey Epstein is, you know, I think Epstein had been detained at that point. But like everything was starting to unravel.

They're saying something big's about to happen. And then boom, January 2020, COVID starts to creep into the national, the international conscience. And then, you know, that was the main topic in how from there on was all just Q talking about the global elite was trying to take down Trump by using COVID. Jeffrey Epstein wasn't killed they'd you know after so much work Trump had done they'd now taken all their power they could to take him down

the election you know like using false ballots and COVID was a whole effort from the globally to take Trump down and that was the narrative that they were pushing and the thing is

that's when a lot of people really started taking Q into account because people had never like they're like oh my god like COVID sounds crazy this sounds like is it from a lap all like which are now you know potential questions but they that's where like a lot of the population sort of cracked not a lot of the population but the population of Q gained most popularity because of COVID and if in talking about um like we're going to get into like there's a Reddit group called QNON victims that talks about a lot of people whose family members have fallen to the Q trap and, you know, they've totally gone off the deep edge,

deep end. And COVID was when that when like most of them like really fell off the deep end because it was something that they were, everyone was at home, Q had an explanation to what was going on. It was being widely shared. And it had the greatest impact. So the EPS like the Epstein stuff was a huge factor. Really, my only, and Aryan, I'm curious what you think about this. Also, do we think that the person who was posting that, and I'm sure it was probably multiple people or whenever that switch happened or whatever, do you think the original person like had some sort of, like, did actually work in the government in some capacity and

like leverage that into, or like, I don't know, do you, or do you all think? like it was just some randau well if it was the russians the russians may have known something was coming i don't know about the russians i think um like you take it with a grain of salt but i think maybe they have worked in the government in in some capacity but there was just nothing that they have said that is of any like real substance or a real predictive power right and so that's that's why it's all kind of like yeah maybe you worked in in the government and gave you the idea to do it. Like, maybe, I don't know.

I think that kind of makes sense. Yeah, there was no prediction that has come true. There was no, there was, there has been nothing that has been, uh, super like, oh my God, like how did this happen unless they were by the president? It was, it's just when, when you start to compile the story and they'd have a great documentary about it on, on HBO Max, um, when you start to compile a story and then look at side, uh, people on the side and all these boards that kind of like, put the clues together about who it is and what it is.

It's really not that impressive, but what's impressive about it is the, ultimately, I think it's just like a big-ass troll, that these cats on these boards love to troll people. They love to troll, like, it's what they do. And to think that they conned an entire, like, almost a whole party to sway one way, a political party, that's, I mean, they probably- Well, that's quite a stretch. How's that a stretch? I mean, this is a far, far extreme right minority.

Brother, you had the president of the United States retweeting people who believed in this stuff. This is not a mainstream thing. I mean, this is like... You wouldn't say that the GOP sways to a lot of what they're talking about? QAnon? Yes. No.

I think some of the... Okay. I actually think there's some... I think there are like... Really? No, I can't let you characterize it that way. That's flagrally up true. I think you're...

My guy, there's literally sitting congressmen. Like two. No, there's not. There's a whole... I will get a list. I don't have it on my hand. There's a whole bunch of people who have believed or believe in it. Or push this narrative.

There's people in the House of Representatives. There is Michael Flynn. There's a whole bunch of people that believe in this stuff. Wait, wait. Let's get to the craziest part Because I think we're leaving I'm not talking about I'm not necessarily talking about the pedophilia stuff I'm not necessarily talking about but like a large but the deep state

The they're trying to the the the the fact that they think that the election was stolen That is part and parcel to The narrative that the these message boards have been pushing the deep state they're trying to trying to do this. That is where the GOP is. If you, if you, you cannot be a GOP.

Matter of fact, Liz Janie just lost her election. And it's because she's like, no, there was no. It was a fair election. And the Republican part, the voters right now feel like the election was stolen. You don't think that's the case?

I don't think it's as big of a percentage as you're making it out to be. I think, No, Big T, to both your points, the big T, I think you see Q&N is a lot of like the crazy stuff, like one thing like JFK's son coming back, because that was after all these people got into Q&N because of the pandemic, these crazier conspiracies started to come out,

like JFK's son was coming back in Dallas to lead a presidential election and save us from this global elite that's put a, you know, a pandemic, a plandemic that was whole plan was to take Donald Trump out of power. power um so that they can regain their uh anonymity when it comes to like pedophilia and stuff that was like some like crazy out there but there are uh sort of themes that come from qanon that are mainstream that a lot of republicans do believe and you know honestly there are like a couple of them that like like you know i kind of believe like look geoffrey epstein like is he really dead like you know prince andrew has he been prosecuted well i mean he's a very like we don't know

like we never got to the bottom of that whole thing there's tons of names on the list that never got released from the galane maxville trial like there are things that could you know that a lot of people do believe that aren't necessarily you know jfk is that's what i'm saying i don't think you understand how far reaching this thing actually is like there are some themes that you believe sitting across from one, but we're talking about tens of millions of people that were involved and believed this stuff. Like, millions. Like, this is, it's huge. There's some things that you believe that Q also pushes. Like, the pandemic was a, like, the pandemic was used to gain power for certain politicians. Well, if, first of all, don't say what I believe. Secondly, but I've heard you

talk about that. Uh, like masks and, uh, like shutdowns. I think, I think it was, uh, a convenient thing for Democrat, sure. So, yeah, that's sort of a that's sort of a theme that's in QAnon. If I was concocting

a thing like QAnon, I would put some stuff in there that's like not as crazy. Right. And then to be able to character. So let me ask you this

because I think this is also, if we think this is someone trolling, obviously, that would lead you to believe that it's like a, left-leaning person then that concocted this whole thing, right? Why not? Because from what we've gathered, Ronnie Watkins and his father are right-leaning.

So then why would they do that, though? Like I said, trolling. Like, these people like... But if you're going to... If you're going to troll people, generally you troll people that you disagree with. No, they trolled like an entire political system. Like they, like, I can't speak to their desires, right? But all I can do is look at the evidence given.

And the evidence given says that Ronnie Watkins and his father are definitely right. Matter of fact, he ran for Arizona, I think, governor as a Republican. And he was definitely the owner of the 8-Cham board. So that's what we're going off of it. So I can't speak to their desires, but when you look at what they were able to accomplish, it's fascinating. It's absolutely fascinating. I don't believe, I'm unsure if he believes all this stuff or not, but it's so far-reaching that a lot of it encompasses. and is the root of a lot of where the GOP is today.

I don't know if that was his intention. I don't know if he was trolling them. I can't speak to that. And I mean... You're right. I can't speak to it. And it has impacts even today. I mean, it's trending on Twitter that a guy ran to a dairy queen dressed as a clown

saying, threatening to shoot liberals because of a QN conspiracy theory. And there was one over the weekend where a man actually did, unfortunately, kill people because of his QNon beliefs. and it's turned into something that's very like radical and is poison people's brains but there is the element that it has actually I think hijacked some actual concerns that like are concerns that like

on certain things like how do I explain it? But some Republican beliefs have been hijacked as a Q&on thing even though they might be like like actual questions that need to be answered it has it has spilled over into the into a lot of what the gop uh like their mission statement like what do they what what are they trying to accomplish as as a party like a lot of what q anonan not a lot some of what qanon has uh postulated has been uh accepted and they are running with it But see, if they just started espousing mainstream conservative beliefs, like, that doesn't make it a QAnon thing.

Like if they say that, but, but, like they say they want to lower taxes, I wouldn't, I wouldn't, I wouldn't attribute it to a QAnon thing. So there's some things that now the whole country, as we're seeing right here, can't concern if it's a Q&N thing or a real question. Like, we're, we're seeing it right now. Like, certain things that you don't think are QAnon, but Aryan thinks are queuing on. And what happened was is the end of the day that those beliefs made a bunch of people stormed the capital. And as we're speaking, there's been a similar point where at the Armenian capital right now,

a bunch of people are trying to break in and protest. So could this have been a massive sciop to undermine our government and are we seeing something similar happening in Armenia right now by a foreign government these are questions that need to like that should be asked

like for example thinking that there may have been federal uh influences on the January 6 attacks of the January 6th story of the capital is a fair question but because it's sort of a almost considered a Q and on push

like we have no real like you say it you're saying you saying did the federal government spark the beginnings of the January 6th? Right. That's that hijacking QAnon in itself? To attack the White House? To, yeah, I mean, there's, there's all these, because it's become so radical, we can't

have any real, like, questions and answers on what happened. That wouldn't make no sense, though. Right, right. But they're- Think about that. because they stormed a capital because they didn't think the election was fair right so at that time

it was a Trump appointed head of the FBI and so the FBI plant somebody to storm to capital to overturn it it's it's all convoluted like there's no like I'm not saying that happened but there's various questions that get raised

when it comes to and then people like well that's just a Q& an idea and it undermines it where... Yeah, that's the... I think that's the main point is that that Q has infiltrated our

day-to-day politics in a very real way. Yeah. And do you have any more of the timeline or have we... We've hit the end of the time. I mean, then the crazier stuff started coming out about JFK's son

coming back and then, you know, like some of the offshoots that are just almost different in various that's the other thing about cue that's that's fascinating to me is that it's not it's that like there's no there right so like you uh we get in we got into it uh with the interview with the with the q an on podcast um like everybody has their own brand of what q is and what he wants and his desires and in his and and what he thinks is going to

happen and so there's so many different facets of it that it's taken on a life of its own that I don't even think the original Q could have predicted. And so as it stands now, you have different factions of Q. People believe that they don't, they know who the real Q is. The other one don't know who the real Q is. Even when if Q posts something, I have the real interpretation of what Q means. And it's very cult and religious, like, honestly. And there's no way for them to verify any of it.

And so it's just, uh, it's just a snake on a loose and there's nowhere, I think there's nowhere to, to, to verify any of these claims. And that's what's dangerous about it. If, so whoever runs or I don't even know running or is Q or what you would have called it. Can they be arrested for this? Is this a crime? What they're doing? Well, that actually the, the, the on 8chan, uh, which is, I think got it shut down. um there was the mass shooting in new zealand where they he went into a mosque and he posted his manifesto on on 8chan and uh they interviewed him after the shooting and he was very

apathetic he was like i didn't shoot anybody i didn't i didn't do anything and he was like well why don't you take the guy's manifesto down and i don't necessarily disagree with his reason he was like if we take it down um uh you'll almost make it you know you'll make him a martyr and you'll make it bigger than it than it actually is um and so they ended up shutting that down because he's like a free speech absolutist and so he he ended up making for for coon k h un or something like that k un something like that um uh and so to answer your question there's really nothing that they could do um because they're not telling them to do anything they're just providing them an outlet

in which that they can have free and complete and total free speech and when you look at the underbelly of society and what they want to talk about and diverse and converse with each other it's this is what you get you get a conglomeration of like real sick people who

are looking for there's a term for this shit um let me see real quick I think I wrote it down I just don't understand how whoever here it goes no it's not it's like apophonia

apophonia or something like that I forget that actually so I can't I'm not gonna look it around but like it's it's like where you see patterns everywhere like everything is connected people who are are bipolar manic they suffer from this greatly they'll they'll see numbers and they'll see codes and they'll connect different things

and like this means this and this means this is gonna happen and and when you have that on a scale, it's very dangerous, but that is, it's like a, to me, that's what I see if I'm diagnosing it. But there's just no, there's just no recourse that, that you have for somebody providing somebody with that. So it's technically, for free speech. So it's technically not like having, being QAnon isn't illegal technically, but he's, or they or whatever, have incited illegal things to happen. So it's like, they can't pin it on him. them yeah you can make the case that he's inside this stuff right but there's no there's no

there's no real there's he doesn't say go shoot people right it's like you incite enough fear and somebody who probably is mentally unstable and doesn't have a lot of guidance around them you incite enough fear and you and you and you uh drag them along kind of your like mystery level this is great way to explain to what pft said because it's it's it's intriguing It's fun. Something happens and you predicted it. And now you're a part of this thing that not everybody is a part of, but you know it's the truth. And then you stoke fear and somebody mentally unstable.

That's where they'll take it to. So they can't really pin him on it because he hasn't told him to do anything. And also the way you just explain that makes it sound like a cult, which it kind of is. But like... It has a lot of tendencies for sure. I just I just feel like based or however this person got these like quote unquote like government secrets I feel like that should also be something that's like why well they don't have any they're just making there are none I know but making shit up on the internet's not illegal yeah I guess well I think we this is a good segue to some actual experts on the topic um about Q&I Do you know who they are, Billy? I'm trying to figure out the ad read right now.

I don't know their name. Do you know their name? I was trying to get... Our interview is with Ben Bowling, Matt Frederick, and Noel Brown of the stuff they don't want you to know podcast and soon-to-be book. I knew that. I was trying to figure out the ad... It's a very good interview.

Good shit.