Macrodosing: Arian Foster and PFT Commenter - Reality TV ft. Jon Taffer

Episode Date: May 3, 2022

On today's episode of Macrodosing, the crew is in studio with the legend Jon Taffer (45:46) to talk 'Bar Rescue' and the life of a reality television star. Everything from the behind the scenes of rescuing a bar to the current state of reality television, this is a can miss episode. Also, everyone tells their favorite reality tv shows and there's some awesome stories that come with it. All this and more on today's show. Enjoy!You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/macrodosing

Hey, Macrodosing listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Welcome back to Macrodosing. We got Arian in the studio. We got Mad Dog's birthday. I appreciate the enthusiasm. Woo! Happy birthday, Mad Dog.

Thank you guys. Thank you. I flew down for that. We finally turn it up. I know. I'm excited for the Mets game to me. Are you doing anything crazy? You got anything fun planned?

Hanging out with you guys. We're the fun plan. So, yeah, it's good to have you in studio. I'm glad that you're here. We got John Taft for coming up in a little bit. We're going to get into a lot of stuff, bar science, bro science with Billy, NFTs. No, talk about labor in America a little bit. It's a far-ranging conversation, about an hour with Taft Daddy.

That's good a conversation. I like that. Hopefully we're going to be able to do a bar rescue reconnaissance thing. It's been something that we've got to say. I didn't emphasize this enough in the interview, but I used to binge watch that shit all the time. Probably the best, what would you say are the best, like, most binge-worthy TV shows? I'm talking, like, before Netflix became the place to go for binging. Bro.

Cops. Cops. Cops was the OG. Cops. Cops was fun before, like, you became cognizant of the situation in America. Well, now it's, now it's kind of like, I can't, this isn't cool. We was always on that, don't do. We was always like, we definitely watched, but it was like,

You, fuck these dudes. Like, that was our, that was our stance. I know people were rooting for him, but we weren't. It was, like, never mind. It was fine when it was a white dude getting chased down. I think, I think, I think, you have them on your head for that one. I think Billy's right that, that cops was, like, the original binge TV show, even going back to, like, the mid-90s. I don't know, man, you know, like, them, like, them sitcoms, like, like, a full house or, or family matters.

Would they do, like, a marathon of those? It was always like a big deal if there was a marathon, though, right? You might be right. Cops was regularly scheduled as marathons. I'd tell you, I would come home from school when I was in like middle school and King of Queens would have nine episodes in a row and I would just sit down. I agree with that. I bet I've seen every episode of King of Queens.

I agree with that. Yeah. King of Queens was my shit. But then cops got stepped up to the red zone of cops, live PD. That's right. Yeah. Live PD. They should upgrade it.

We should do feds. Yeah, the FBI. That would be interesting. Lunting cops, busting cooking cops. That would be fire. I'm with that one. Law and order. Law and order was a big binge watch thing on TV.

SVU was fucking grotesque, though. If you made, yeah, it was. That was a stomach turner, man. It was, somebody posted a picture of one of the prosecutors, and she was wearing her softball uniform from when, like, the SVU people had their softball team on the show. It was like SVU against, like, I don't know, internal affairs or something like that in softball. and the softball uniform just said sex crimes on it

that's all it said on it was just sex crimes someone someone made a mashup a video of Ice Cube uh wait Ice tea ice tea every time he was like surprised of what was going on he was like he did what yeah send me that I want to see that

because he's just so surprised every time send me that let's see that no it's like that's one sick dude the John Mullaney joke about that's really good you want to say it I don't don't know that joke. I'm not going to do his joke. Do a cover joke. Nah. He just talks about how he works in the sex crimes division and is surprised every single time that there's a sex crime. Yeah. That's good. That's a good joke, Big T. Now do the Chris Rock bit. I don't even know what that means, dude. What other shows would I binge watch as a young and? I just started

watching Seinfeld. That's a very bingeable show. It is. It's just, like you just don't have to pay attention to anything. You know, it's crazy. I've tried for so long to get into that show. It's a good take. And I just cannot see it. Really? Like, I've sat down and, like, I'm going. Because I know Jerry Seinfeld is, like, hailed it as a comedic genius. And so, like, he's heralded, like, Chris Rock has a lot of respect for him.

Like, the people that I love and adore, adore put him up in his pedestal. Like, he's just the great. And so I was like, okay, I got to, just out of strength and respect for people that I love, I'm going to sit down and watch this. And I've done it at least five different times, but I sit down like, I'm going to watch Seinfeld. And I just don't get it, though. it's it's kind of a new york humor a little bit do you watch curb yeah so that shit funny yeah so i think what people realized is like wow larry david actually had a lot to do with how good signfield was

because like signfeld is curb just like a little bit earlier and a little more sanitized the storylines are pretty similar where it's like oh there's a big misunderstanding and somehow that misunderstanding comes back and pays off at the end connecting like every other mini storyline that's been going on throughout the episode signfeld's kind of like that but big t you're not a fan either no what do you think of friends so because i tried to watch friends too and i can't stand right so growing up there was one of them shows that used to be on like after school or something like that so like i would watch it right um and i used to like it and i thought it was funny but as an adult i tried to watch it because when i think Netflix picked

it up or something like that and i was like oh i'm watching a couple old old friends episode and it's like i didn't laugh one guy like this shit is not funny dog like i don't if you played it without the laugh track like have you seen those clips people post clips of without the laugh track and it's just like this is the worst yeah not I don't know why I used to like I have no idea the laugh track is also obnoxious in friends it's every 15 seconds

yeah it makes it impossible to watch there was a study or an article that people like watching like friends the office Seinfeld because it gives them nostalgia to a time where social media and the modern sort of dynamic didn't exist don't put the office in a category with those shows The office is hilarious.

I'll tell you what. I haven't watched that either. I used to fall asleep to my TV all the time. The George Lopez show. I would wake up at like 6 a.m. before school and just watch like three episodes of that before school. I always thought that was a good show. Boy Meets World was always the show I watched before school.

Topanga, bro. I had a biggest crush on Topanga. Saved by the Bell. I love Save by the Bell. I love Save by the Bell. MythBusters, the most extreme on Animal Planet. I used to watch MythBusters too. Yeah, MythBusters is sick.

It was sick. Real quick, we're going to go to the Mets Braves game tonight. Big T is all fired up. He's got his World Series ring. I don't have it on me. It's at my desk, but yeah, I'm going to wear it tonight. You're going to go see Blooper? Bluper doesn't travel, but I've...

What's Blooper? I think he does travel mass. No. What is Blooper? Not to Road games. He's the Macs game. I think I saw him. Yeah, he was at the Brewers game.

Or at the Cubs game. Oh, he's the Braves. That was in Atlanta. What is he? Like, what is his... He's his mask guy. He's great dude. No, I'm saying.

What is his character? Um, he's a large, uh, what's the word I'm looking for? Just as a creature. He's an ogre. Very cute guy. He's ugly. Awesome dude. Ugly as fuck.

What they got to do with Braves? Um, they just, well, like, we can't have a mascot that's necessarily reflective. I'm curious. Can we still do the chop? I'm going to be doing the chop. Yeah. Yeah, you can do that. I hate the nuts.

But Bluper is just a big, ugly demon. No, he's a great dude. He's a problem. He hates Big Cat, though, that's why. Really? Yeah. Well, because Big Cat hates him, so they have, like, a rival. Oh, but how did this start?

I don't even remember. I think Blupor just started going after Big Cat. When they were playing the Cubs last year. So it's the same guy? Yeah. Or is it like kind of just a tradition? Well, Bluper is like a big fan. I know he's a big fan of part of my take.

I think he listens to every episode. He always tweets at us and, like, says inside jokes to us. So I respect the grind that he's on But he's developed like a rivalry More so with Big Cat than with me With me it's more like bro supporting bros But with Big Cat they're just He just calls him fat all the time

Is he like cousins with the Philly Fanatic Are they the same species? That's a good copy If you know what the Philly Fanatic looks like He's vaguely reminiscent Yeah I don't know what I mean Vagely looks like the Philly fan

And I think Gritty's like a cousin I gotta figure out the The Launa I'm gonna make classifications of these weird creatures You should. That'd be an interesting blog. You should dive into that and see, like, where, what common ancestors you have. They all evolve from the Dutchman.

Yeah. Oh, my God. The rat. The Philadelphia Dutchman and his pet rat. The pet rat is the... So I've got a thing. I love old mascots. Old mascots are, like, one of my favorite things to look up online, specifically, like, college mascots from the 60s and 70s, when they all looked evil and, like, so fucking weird.

Just like the worst costume designs ever. But there was this one that came out that was one of the original, I think they were the Philadelphia Athletics back then, right? Yeah, the A's started there. Yeah, the A's. So their first mascot was this just like old, sick-looking Dutch guy with this pet rat that he kept on a leash. And I have no idea like how this person ever was supposed to signify baseball. But if you want to go to a game and hang out with your favorite mascot, we're going to go tonight and we're going to use Game Time. Game Time got us into the garden on Friday.

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Really? It was awesome. It was Serrano Taylor. And it was the lightweight, the female lightweight champion of the world. That's what they were fighting for. And it was just nonstop, just the two people just punching each other in the face the entire time. I gained all the respect in the world for for both fighters in that one. But go check it out. Go check out the Mecca. If you want tickets to a baseball game or any other game, use game time. They are the official sponsor of us here at Macrodosing and everybody at Barstool.

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Interesting Whereas blooper was It's like a finch Yeah or a blue-footed booby It's a flightless bird Yeah wait no blue-footed boobies can fly Oh they can fly yeah they probably can The blue-footed boobies are famous for doing their little mating dance

So when they when they do their dance They like just kind of like kick their feet up It's very cute to watch it It's a random fact, you know. Well, the Galapagos is like my favorite place. I love it. Bird's place of evolution. Yep.

The idea. Yep. The theory. But there's shirts everywhere in the Galapagos that you can buy. They just say, I heart boobies on them. And then there's a picture of a bird. I actually fall asleep when I can't sleep. I take, what's this shit?

Melatonin. And I throw on this documentary on YouTube about evolution. And so I just fall asleep to listen to it about Darwin. You just zone out to it? Yeah. So. weird. It puts me to sleep. You've got to go to the Galapagos. You would absolutely love it there.

Blooper was created in a lab. He's a lab experiment. Okay, he's a lab leak. Yeah, he's a lab leak. Well, Atlanta is the home of the CDC. Oh, yeah. So now we're getting somewhere. What does he know? Blooper is a mutant that was created in a lab in Atlanta at the CDC

and he escaped. I'm probably radioactive. Bill your tween out right now? I'm just saying I have evidence that blooper knows the origin of COVID-19 okay smart hey did your bangor tweet ever drop I never no I'm I'm storing it needs the right time I got another bangor tweet I'm working on you're putting it on a pedestal man it goes that goes drop well I got caught up with this new one it goes therapist now what do we say when the guy

with glasses with boobs scares you at night guy the Microsoft man can't hurt me okay that one's gonna make big numbers Bro, what? Well, I'm scared of Bill Gates. Yeah, no, I get that. What happens when the Microsoft man's chasing you with a vaccine? Microsoft man can't hurt me. What's, I don't understand.

What's the punch line? Billy's talking about the picture that Bill Gates. I know that, but like... I'd say it's a workshop. It's a work in progress. You need to throw that shit out. No, dude, I'm working on it. Is that a meme format I'm unfamiliar with?

Yes. Yes. Do you remember what anti-jokes were a thing? That sounds like an anti-jokes. The Microsoft man, is that part of a meme? It's Bill Gates. I get that. It's cheeks, bro.

Shelfed that shit. I'm working on it. You're going to lose followers, though. I'm literally just like verbally showing you my creative process. You're just hoping to get a retweet from Elon. Maybe. That's all this is. Have you tweeted at him?

Several times. Billy, if you can get a retweet from Elon Musk, I'll pay you $1,000. I'm in on that. Sweet. Let me work on it. I was mostly trying to put a bounty on his tweet on an Elon retweet yeah that'll be your bonus I'm in on it um before we get into today's topic also there's something else in the news there was a lot of people got mad at me um late last week because reports came out that the ghost of Kiev had passed away in

combat and there was like an article in the new york post about it uh there was an article in some British newspaper too and everyone's like, see, I told you he was real, even though at first I had to educate Billy when their reports initially came out. I was like, Billy, this is very clearly not like a real thing that's happening right now. It's okay to root for it, but it's not real. As somebody who has extensive experience in the air combat community, I was able to deduce right off the bat, like this guy did not get an ace in his first day in combat. Like, you don't shoot down. I know the type of plane that he flies. It's a, it's a mig. And the MIG can only carry X amount of missiles.

It's impossible for him to shoot down that many planes that quickly. Now, everybody tried to high step on me last week and say, look, look at these reports saying that he died in combat. I read through the reports and all they were saying is like many sources are saying that now this is the man that was the ghost of Kiev and he passed away. And it was like very, you couldn't get a real like any bits of details from the report besides the fact he just said he was this one dude. Now Ukraine came out and they said that they made the entire thing out there.

no ghost of Kiev. It was just like the spirit of their air force that they just called the ghost of Kiev. So not to not to like pat myself on the back, but I feel like Billy owes me an apology. I was literally just, I said this from the start. I'm rooting for the Ukrainians. I'm going to spread their propaganda. I've said this. I'm a Ukrainian propaganda spouter. That's fair. I've said that since the beginning. That's fair. If you acknowledge it. Yeah. I got a question about planes. I'm an expert. I don't know. Bro, the other day when y'all was doing that plane shit, I was, that's where y'all got that meme from or y'all took a screenshot of my face.

I was like, y'all really no planes. That's crazy. So growing up, I was, my mom made me watch Top Gun. Yeah. And I loved that shit. That shit was fire. Why do the Migs in that movie, like, why can't they keep up with the big planes? I don't understand.

They're smaller. Shouldn't they be able to? Good question, Aaron. That's a great question. the F-14 Tomcat is what Tom Cruise is flying in that movie and it's I would say it's like if you drive a really old sturdy dependable never broken down pickup truck

that's kind of what the F-14 is the F-14 is just like it's a beast it's a huge plane it's got better weapon systems than the Migs do to a certain extent so in the in the United States F-14 Tomcat you've got two guys that are there one guy who's in charge of flying the plane that's doing all the stuff like you know pointing the nose adjusting the throttle things like that and then the guy behind him is in charge of handling the radar and like picking out where all the different planes are that could be potential threats so you've got two guys in the same plane working on the same airplane at the same time which actually makes a big difference only one is actually flying though one's flying but the other is like spotting the other planes uh getting radar locks on them telling them like okay go shoot this guy over here i

lock this guy up, go shoot him. So it actually makes it way faster for the pilot to get stuff done when there's somebody else doing all the other things. Gotcha. Whereas if it's like a smaller Russian plane like that, they're having to do it all on their own. But yeah, you're right. It's like a smaller plane. So it's like a little bit more versatile.

And actually if you took like the best fighter planes from World War II and you put them in just straight up a dog fight and said, okay, you're only allowed to use guns only against some of the most modern planes out there, the fighter planes from World War II would actually kick their ass because they were so much lighter and they were so much, like, you could stall the airplane intentionally back then and pull off all these maneuvers that you can't do now with these jets that are like super hot. Two more questions. Two more questions.

When Goose died, is that like an actual thing? Like, does that, has that known to have been to happen or was that just kind of like a movie thing? No, that's it. So the, I'm glad you asked these questions. The F-14 can enter those types of unrecovered. Spins when they go through jet wash sometimes. I'm so through jet wash. Yeah. Yeah. And it disrupts the flow of the air over the wings. And once you get into a spin like that, you just can't get out in that giant airplane. Yeah. So that's a real thing that happens.

Damn, that's crazy. I had another question, but I don't remember. Billy, do you have any questions for me about airplanes? Nah, bro. No, not even one? No. Also, the F-14 has missiles that can go a lot further than some of the Russian makes. They've got this one missile called the AIMS. 65 phoenix it's the phoenix oh that's what it's called it's this giant missile that's like the size of you pretty much and you can shoot it

and it can hit a target that's like 60 miles away it's pretty sick a lot of invention for destruction yes it is yeah and they each cost probably like a million dollars I want funny shits in the world bro unrelated was uh when billy was trying to name the plane and he said I am going to go with one more

I rewinded that back I watched that just for that That shit was hilarious Yeah Billy have you seen blooper's response Yeah I'm I think I'm getting into it with blooper right now What's you say? Billy sent this tweet two minutes ago

Bluper replied 45 seconds ago It took him a minute That's what a king he is Brigh out on a minute Where is it Billy tweeted I have evidence That at Blooper Braves Is privy to the origin of COVID-19

He himself is a lab leak and may be associated with the CDC in Atlanta Glooper said Billy's just mad I can bench more than him And he also responded To the tweet and said

At Barstool Big Cat Get off Billy's phone Wow Nah man I'm taking blooper down No Billy bad that I can bet He just roasted you man Yeah he got your air

He probably can't too I've just been taking so many Ls lately It's getting crazy I need a dub Yeah, we got to find Billy a dub Find Billy a dub I don't know where it's going to be

It's going to be a long look for that dub I'm going to start going by Willie So I get that dub in the beginning Oh my God, that's another L No, it's a W It's a shitty joke, it's an L Yeah, it's two Ls actually I need get some Ws

You should worry more about getting more LBs Speaking of LBs Is it? Isn't that sad, though, that Billy can only bench 20 pounds more than me? Dude, I literally, whatever. That's sad. I'm old. I'm washed up.

You've short arms. I got a bad back. This shortness of the arms don't matter, though. It does. Oh, wow. I'll trust Ariens. How is you bench, Aryan? I haven't maxed in, I don't know, fucking 15 years.

Can you bench 275? That's silly. What? Yeah, I can't. I'm like, I don't have nothing to prove to Billy, dog. Sounds like someone who's scared to get on the bench. No, it's not like someone who doesn't want to get on the bench. Do you think, because I was going back and forth with D.K. Metcalf the other week,

we have kind of like a rivalry. And because I beat him in a 40-yard dash one time. Do you think I could beat D.K. Metcalfe in a five-yard dash? No. Five yards, though. No. I feel like my short steps actually benefit me in that situation. You couldn't beat me in a five-year dash.

Because- Let's not make this about you, Billy. Every time you take a step that's when you're accelerating, he would take like two steps, meaning he wouldn't have as much of an opportunity to accelerate as I would with my like. I like your logic, but the force application applies here. The force that he applies to the ground is at a greater amount than you. You're saying he's way stronger than me, is what you're saying. Yeah, but it's only five yards. I mean, I love how you're lobbying for yourself.

Do it if you think you can. I don't. My money's on D.K. What about a one-yard dash? I don't know how you would time that. If I got off to a good start, I think I could take him. I think if you beat him out the gun, that's the best. Actually, if you fall start.

Actually, that would be if you took a slow motion camera. Yeah. And put it in a one-yard mark and made them both start whose head could get a cross. Well, he's way taller than me, so probably. Right, but he may take him longer to get out of his stance. Yeah, and I still think you're losing that, too. So that's why I was thinking in the five-yard dash There might have a shot

Because it probably takes him longer To get out of a stance with his long legs Than it would for me But you wouldn't actually be running You'd be dying If you were to win Actually this might I'm talking myself into this

I think you might be able to do this I think I could beat him in a five-year-old dash Because like I said The force he applies And it depends Are you guys just on grass Are you in blocks We're on grass

Cleats Cleats Yeah no I definitely think Let's make it turf, turf, yes. Like Astro Turf? No, like the stuff that you can find in the field turf. Central Park. Yeah, no, I think he still beat you.

I think he beat you in any terrain. Guys, while we're talking about athletic competitions, I've been in contact with blooper. Like, as we've been talking. He said, I need to get Billy down here for a bench off. Yo. I think, I don't think you have a choice. He called you out.

He called you out. Dude. You can't. can't tuck your tail now. Yeah, Billy, you can't lose to him. You can't lose to him. There's his dub. We was looking for a dove. Here, go. I mean, this is

what you do. You fight for Big Cat's honor. You did it with Jose Konseko. That's the last dump that you had. I'll fight blooper. This is the final boss. A box blooper. That'd be hilarious. In his costume? I mean, I think you have to bench him.

Say costume, like that? Costume? Costume. Costume. Costume. You should go, you should go, you should go try to out bench him. All right, we just heard a secret behind the scenes.

I think Blupper could definitely outbench Billy. Yeah, I'm definitely taking Bluver. I'm not going all the way down to Atlanta. What do you mean? Damn, did he just take another L. Come on, you called him out. Imagine if Abraham Lincoln had that same mentality, Billy. To tell you what, Sherman, you don't have to go all the way to the sea.

Imagine. Yeah. All right, well, we'll sort this out. But I do want you to do that. that research into exactly where blooper differs from Fanatic. That'll be a fun little write-up, bro. PFT, you know what I think you need to do for content? You need to get that height surgery that can get you from to six foot.

So trending. I think you actually have to go through with it. Well, what I've learned is that other people care way more about my height than I care about my height. Sounds like you care about your height. It would never even occur to me that I was on the shorter side unless everybody else It wasn't always like, oh, look you, PFT, is that you? That 5-3 guy on TV, huh? It wouldn't occur to me.

You wouldn't know that you was short unless people told you was short? I never, no, until like it became like a running joke, I never really spent that much time thinking about it. I really didn't. Like, 5-8 is a pretty normal height, I would say. Nice. Well, whatever. I never felt it was short.

What's the average human height or male in America? I think it's like 5-7. No, it's like 5-10. No, it's 5-9. it's 5.9. Well, I mean, it's gone down a lot. Sneaky. Five six. Yeah. That's not correct. Five sex is in America? In America? In the world. It's actually in the world. Oh, in the world. Do America because I think we're taller here. It's got, it's gotten a lot shorter because of demographic change. Five feet, nine point three inches. You're talking about immigrants?

Yes. Demographic change. Immigrants are. Yeah, it's five nine in America. Five nine in America. So you're perfectly average. No, no, he's an inch below average. What do you mean? Perfectly. It depends on what shoes I'm wearing. No. If I'm wearing. If I'm wearing my air maxes, then I'm up to 5.9. If I'm wearing these pennies, then yeah, I'm at 5.8. But no, like, it doesn't really occur to me that much. And then this, this article was going around about this limb lengthening procedure that you can get. I saw that. It takes like a year and they drill holes in your leg bones. And they slowly separate the bone. And then the bone heals into that space. It sounds like the most

painful thing ever. And guys are doing it, try to get like an extra three. inches. That's crazy. Which I understand if you're like, if you're like four or 11, five foot tall, something like that and it becomes like a functional thing where you can't reach certain places. It is. Like if you're at a grocery store, you can't reach stuff. I can understand. But if you're trying to go from like, if you're trying to go from five foot eight to five 11 or six feet tall, like that's, that's honestly pathetic. If you just care about if you, if you just like want to be one of the tall boys out there like you need to that says more about you than it does it's a big insecurity it's a huge insecurity thing like i would never i do not give a shit i'll

be five eight i'm doing just fine i'm doing as a five eight man um but the only thing is like sometimes other people care about it way more than you do like billy sneaky my grandfather was close to seven foot and all my cousins are way taller than me so i'm kind of the run to the litter you should get inly so you like six two six three yeah like six six three but like my cousins like six six seven damn so and they were all younger than me and there was a pivotal moment where beat your ass yeah yeah they're like now it's time you should get that surgery billy i know get up to six six just like the rest of the boys what's your last night or you can't uh it's irish it is irish cool it is iris uh any

Billy Irish. Any NFL draft cleanup we want to do? Baker Mayfield's still a brown. Oh, he is? Yep. He's, I guess we're just not going to trade him. Oh, you know who we need to talk about? The Saints offensive lineman draft pick.

I totally forgot about this guy. He's an absolute psychopath. I was tweeting about him. He's like the type of guy who, in all those drills, like he'll just mall a guy and he watches Saw, a different Saw movie before every game. game he's a psychopath that's crazy let me find that's like Carl Anthony Towns before games he watches videos of gorillas murdering other gorillas there's no

way to get himself pumped out there's his thing I want to know where he finds those videos like not a physical sport like guerrilla fights he watches guerrilla fights before NBA games there's only one there's only the gorilla takes a charge there's only one good guerrilla fight video on the internet Billy's found of the gubernator of the guy i actually trust billy he probably has a lot i wrote a blog on this he must have access to some footage that i can't find because there's one fight unless he's watching every time he probably gets bored of it he's got to have more everybody send your best guerrilla fight that you found online to billy i'll find the one i think i know the one you're talking about it's

it's in the zoo i definitely haven't seen it and they're saying get the zukiberg these two guerrillas are just like clobbering each other like murdering each other someone's like someone please get the zookeeper. It's like, I'm not getting in there, ladies. The zookeeper are going to, hey guys, knock it off. Trevor Penning is the guy, and he's an absolute beast. I thought you were saying a zookeeper. Oh.

Send me that guerrilla fight. Yeah, let me find it. That is crazy, though, that he watches Saw videos before every game. They're just not that good of movies. Like, the first one, fired. After that, they get kind of tacky. The first one was so good. That was so dope.

And it was, it was like the best plot twist ever at the end that everyone should have seen coming. Yeah. But nobody that I know saw it the first time that they watched it through. Yeah. But when it happens,

you're like, oh my God, I'm an idiot. Yeah. Dude gets up from the middle of the room. I spoiled it. No spoiler. I spoiled that shit.

Big T. You got a quarterback? Yeah. Fine. Yo, you're a funny cat, man. I mean, he's not good.

Like, I don't know. Is he going to, is the plan to start? Not this year. I think this year. they're going with Marriota, but like after that, is he supposed to be the quarterback? Because, yeah, I think so.

That's, that's bleak. You don't like Ritter? No. I, like, I think Willis was probably the best quarterback in that draft, but, like, I don't think any of them are going to be anything great. It's crazy that Willis fell so far after we had been told that he was going to get drafted. Yeah, I don't know what happened with him. We were talking about it a little bit yesterday on PMT,

but I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that next year's class is going to be, Right. And that's what I thought the Falcons were doing was let's, you know, we'll sign Marieto. We won't be very good. And then we'll be in position to get one of those guys next year. Yeah. And then they took Desmond Ritter, which like, whatever. I'll tell you what, I'm happy with Howell. I'm very happy with how. What round did he go in? Fifth. And last year at this time, he was projected to be like first round. Him and Spencer Rattler. Yeah. We're going to be the first two picks. Hal took like some steps backwards, but I can still, I can still convince myself that he might be good down the road. road. I just wish that we were called the Red Wolves because having a quarterback named Hal would be pretty sick Pretty cool. Yeah. This is this is the stuff I have to think of to get excited rooting for a shitty franchise like that. I have to think of all the dumbest stuff as opposed to just like can this guy win me a Super Bowl? Because that's so far out of the picture. It's like wow, no. Like we're not capable of winning a super bowl. How is your fandom? Like how like are you like a fan that like actually like roots for the like you know what I have? Because I haven't been a fan. in so long, so I don't understand. I have, like, conflicting interests about this team because it was a big part of my life when I was growing up, like, the Washington Redskins

were the thing in Washington, D.C., to root for, the entire, like, community, D.C., Virginia, Maryland. It was, like, something that on Sundays, everything stopped. People would be watching the Redskins games on TV. And then Dan Snyder bought the team, and he's such a miserable piece of shit, that over the years he has eroded my love.

of, to a certain degree of football because I'm forced to watch his shitty product and everything that goes on behind the city. He's such a bad, bad human being, just a disgusting individual. And he's absolutely taken my love out of the game, but I still root for the team because it's so deeply, like, ingrained

that I can't just, like, stop. And there have been glimpses where, like, when the RG3 had his rookie year, it was like, wow, this guy changed the game of football. He's going to be an electric superstar for the next 15 years. And then that got taken away. too. So I like go back and forth. I can't, I'm not as deep of a fan as I was growing up because of

what he's done, but I still have that glimmer where it's like every time a new report comes out that says Dan Snyder might be forced to sell the team because he's either sexually harassed another person or allegedly or like committing financial fraud on his fellow owners, then I get really excited about that opportunity to like have something that I can root for without being Like, oh, yeah, this is the worst person in the world that's running my team. So, yeah, it's complicated. I have a very complicated relationship with that team. But I still can't help but root for them.

I'm with you. Yeah. Just like nothing that I can ever fully stop doing, I think. Is it like, because I know when I got to the league, like I grew up a Raider fan. And so like I used to love the Raiders. But like when I got to the league, like it just stopped. Like I stopped. You know, not because I don't know, there's just something, something, seeing behind the scenes kind of like.

Yeah. You know, like, has that, to turn this to a fucking interview, but has that, I'm generally curious, has that kind of ruined your fandom? Like, kind of, because you're kind of behind the scenes of the sports world almost. Like you get to interview and see a lot of these people. Does that kind of ruin your fandom? Yeah, a little bit because you get to know all these people

that play for different teams and you realize that, like, there's nothing really special about the team that you grew up rooting for. Right, right, right. It's just all individuals that are trying their best to make their own living, playing the sport that they love to do. But it's so fun to root for a team. when they play well, you know, like when it's your team that you've followed up throughout the years. It's fun to root for that.

But, yeah, it's now no longer, it's almost like your eyes get open to the fact that there's, there's no, like, real difference between a person who puts on a Pittsburgh Steelers uniform as opposed to, like, a Washington command. They're all, like, the same people. And you want to root for them equally. I can't hate somebody just because they're, like, a Dallas Cowboys. Rational, man. I like it, man.

I like it. Yeah, that's weird. Found the video. Okay. Yeah. You said it? This is the guerrilla fight? Yeah.

All right, let's watch it. Let's get. Well, Anthony Tows is a pretty interesting pre-game ritual where he watches guerrillas fight to the death. Would this hype you up for a basketball game? I don't see anything basketball about this. Yo, there's no way anybody's getting in the middle of that. Well, you know, the Mike. Tyson's story?

I don't. Mike Tyson was at a zoo and he tried to pay the zookeeper like $100,000 to let him fight the silverback gorilla. What the fuck? Yeah, bro. He didn't get his ass. Whoop. I love Mike. That gorilla beating his ass.

Does the gorilla have hands like Mike? Better. You crazy? I might take a chimpanzee over Mike. Think about chimps. Bro. Really? Animals are strong.

fan. But does the animal know that they're in a fight? Threaten his life, he'll know. The thing about a gorilla, like, I don't know. Tom, are you saying that a gorilla, Mike Tyson can get a gorilla? That's an insane thing. No, the thing is, that's an insane thing.

I don't know. I know it's not true. Maybe a chimpanzee, but not a gorilla. Chimps, I'd rather fight a gorilla than a chimp. You are fucking insane. For somebody that knows a lot about animals, you are the dumbest animal expert in the world. No, dude, gorillas are not as violence is chimpanzees that's a fact i've seen the the documentary about

travis the chimpanzee yeah i much rather get beat to death by a silverbacks blows than my face eating off bitten because chimpanzees fight like but they're so strong though like i don't i don't think i don't think i don't think i don't think mike can get a chimp i've been a grown chimp yeah about mike in his prime no bro animals are different i think i think seriously i think Mike Tyson could have a chance if the gorilla doesn't hit him the first couple times, I think he could maybe, I don't know how guerrilla's

chins are, but if he gets a good punch he could knock out the gorilla. I'm going to guess they've got pretty strong chins. You're high. Maybe if he gets like two or three of those before the grill can get older? He's not lasting 45 seconds in a fight with a gorilla. Did the gorilla outweighs him by how many hundreds of pounds? I know, but

I don't know. Your way you're defending his business. You're the biggest like I know, I know, but like I've poisoned my brain because I know the gorilla will win but I just was thinking about that situation so many times because it's such a crazy story I think that if a gorilla was like tied up and Mike Tyson got three punches on him

I don't think that Mike Tyson can knock him out I just don't know how gorilla chins are because anyone can get knocked out I'm watching that video like you're not gonna gorilla out what is you're talking about I don't know I feel like if he hits the right button you know just tags him just like behind the ear maybe

Nah, it's a hypothetical that I've talked myself into being a way better thing Because like, in order to think about these things, you have to be like, well, we can't just assume the gorilla's going to beat his ass. Yes, we can. I think, I think absolutely he would stand a chance against a chimpanzee, maybe, maybe. I think an old chimpanzee. A chimp will just mall him, though. I don't, gorillas aren't really maulers. One of the chimpanzees that's been like addicted to cigarettes.

Gorillas like, they punch. Yeah. Well, that's why I think he could go blow for blow with a gorilla. No, it's going to be one blow, and it's going to be over. Yeah, I'm going to have to disagree with Billy. Yeah, no, I just wanted to entertain it. It's 100% you get killed. But someone had to entertain it.

They didn't, actually. That's why I'm here. I'm glad you did, though, really. I should be glad you did. What else is in the news, man? Anything of significance? Good question. I don't know if there's anything else that we got to cover.

I just know Billy wanted a chance to dig at me for that, for the limb-length thing. It was Avery's idea. Yeah. I mean, what if you're, I feel like the only logical reason to do that would be if you're so short that you can't exist in day-to-day life without needing a helper. Oh, let's do insecurities.

Everybody has an insecurity. What's yours? My insecurity? Yeah, like a real one. Well, sometimes it is tough, like if I'm at a grocery store and I'm trying to reach up to the top shelf because that's where they keep the magnums. And I just need somebody to help me with those.

Magnum's buying cigarettes, dog. No, I don't know. I guess we all have some insecurities. I guess probably height would be one just because it's been pounded into me so much by these assholes around. Yeah, I feel you. I was never, like, insecure about that before. You just made me insecure. Yeah.

I guess mine would be when I start to, like, lose my discipline and workouts, I get fat in my love handle area. On the sides? Yeah. So, that's insulin. That's insulin resistant Non-resistance What does that mean That fat you get there

Has to do with like Over like It has something to do with your insulin system Can't exactly pinpoint it But there's like ways you can That's mostly diet A thousand percent Yeah

It's a hundred percent diet actually Yeah But yeah that's that that would be mine Like I hate that shit Big T what you got Oh what you're talking about with No mine's sort of in the same vein I hate my hair

Really It's red Let me check you out It's not Like, Robert. Let me shake you out. You'll,

no, not on camera, no. You'll never see me without a hat on. Really? That's why, yeah.

What do you hate about it? It's, so the bangs grow longer. I hate, I tell them, every time I go get a haircut, cut the bangs off.

Like, off, I don't want them, and they never do it short enough. What a black barbershop? Don't get your edge up. Imagine big tea with waves.

Okay. You can't get waves. Yeah, nice fade. Yeah, I just, I don't like it. You know what?

Let's go to a black barbershop All right That'd be a hilarious video Let's go You should do a big tea That'll be fun You might be fine They're gonna get you nice little

Might pull a different kind of Female man Oh you got a shorty Never mind Get him a Get him like some lines In his eyebrows too I think I'm good on that

Looks sick I got those knack I have a scar in my eyebrow And people used to accuse me That I was putting notches In my eyebrow Yeah Why do you have a scar?

What happened? I got hit with a rock When I was little By one of your big cousins We were having a rock fight That'll happen If you didn't grow up With rock fights

Then you're probably a loser Yeah you didn't drink from the hoes Yeah I definitely I'm a loser Have you ever shot bottle rockets At your friends? Coke and Mentos Boms

Yeah You'd have to hit them on the cap So it created a rocket That wasn't the thing When we was growing up though No I did that one year At the 4th of July

It was very scary No I'm saying, Coca-Mento. That didn't pop off to, like, the internet. That's true, yeah, yeah. I didn't find out about that until, like, after college, I think. Yeah. Big T, you should get, you should bring back a bowl cut. No, thank you.

Okay. A ponytail? Oh, a little duck tail. A ride tail? I keep my hair as short as possible. Don't do the mullet. Don't do the mullet. You know what?

I hate mullets. I think it's the worst hairstyle in existence. They're the worst. Why? It's so shit. They're kind of like coming. back. And I see this little kid, because I started going back to the gym and there's a gym across my, right by my house. This little kid goes in there by himself, has no clue what he's

doing, but he's a mullet. I just want to be, I want to help him, but he has a mullet. Like, I refuse to help him. Maybe you should reach out to the mullet demographic. I hate mullets, br, they're the worst. And I know I might have a whole mullet people talking to me now, but like, it's just the worst hairstyle. I've never seen anything worse. It became one of those things where people brought it back ironically. And they got a mullet. because they're like, ha-ha, check out by Mully. It's so bad.

Yeah, but now I think it's coming back, like, for real. Well, you know why it came back, lacrosse, because when you wear a helmet, when you have a buzz cut, it's like easy to get your helmet on and off. It's less, especially a lacrosse helmet because lacrosse helmets are basically glorified bike helmets.

So, but then they also wanted the flow to come out the back of their helmet. That sounds like bullshit, bro. I did. Cross bros brought back. Yeah, well, it sounds like bullshit. Their logic was like.

Well, because it was all about... This is why I'm getting a mullet. It was all about flow. But some people... I'll call it. The lettuce. Yeah, flow... Well, it came with...

When you have long hair, it's a lot of upkeep. So if you have a buzz cut, but you still got flow... They want a buzz cut with the flow. Yeah, they want business in the front, partying the back. They want the cake to eat it, too. I think this is a horrible... The black version of that is a shag. Have you seen a shag?

No, what's that? Equally stupid. But it's like, it's basically a little mini-fro in the back. I'm going to look it up right now It's ads, bro It's the word It's the worst Oh I think I know what you're talking about

It's horrible man You see it It's all white people in this image That I'm bringing up right here Type in black people man It's kind of like what The running back I'm Googling Steelers

Who had cancer And now he's on the Cardinals James Connor He used to have something like that Yeah, he did What do you think Oh yeah Yeah

I remember I remember what do you think Would pop up if you just Google black people Oh man That's the worst actually That's fine I'm going to Google white people

Okay Someone get the other There's a lot of news There's a lot of news About black people that popped up That's the first thing Images Go to the images

The first thing that pops up When you Google white people Is a black lady Oh wow Hmm Interesting All right let's see images Biden's America

This is the stupidest Goose It's just like Just pictures Just pictures That's pretty It's pretty normal. Yeah, pretty normal.

Pretty normal. Definitely black people. I just wonder how popular of a search term. Can't you do Google trends and see? Yeah, yeah. The white people one is three randoms across the board and then Ron DeSantis. What do you think should pop up if you, if you Google like white man? Who's the whitest man ever?

Like Mitt Romney? Yeah, Mitt Romney could call. Mitt Romney is the whitest of all time. Zach Wilson? No, I think Ben. It's got to be Mitt. When I think white people, too, I also think Zach Morris do from Saved by the Bell. We're just all talking saved by the bell today.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, Zach Morris is an all-time white guy, for sure. Looks like a Ken doll. All right, so you guys want to get into John Taffer? You want to talk to John Taffer? Yeah. All right, we're going to get the Taff Daddy on before we talk to John Taffer. Just know that he's our good friend.

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get a helix sleep mattress today helix sleep.com slash dose now here is john taffer we welcome on a very special guest to macrodosing um did a friend of mine for four or five years yeah it's john taffer you may recognize him from bar rescue he's also an author did you write this book of course you wrote it all by yourself i wrote it by myself this is my baby and my last one was in new york time bestseller. So this is actually my third book. If my high school teachers were alive to know this, boy, I would have a great day talking to them because none of them would have ever believed this. Yeah, what's the metric for being a New York Times best seller? You have to sell a certain amount of books in a week period of time. Every book drops on Tuesday. Yep. So between Tuesday and

Saturday, you have to sell a certain amount of books. I'm not sure what the number is 10,000 or a number like that. But my last one was a New York Times bestseller, a New York, an LA Times bestseller and a Wall Street journal bestseller. But I'm not quite sure I know what that means myself. It helps you sell books, though. I'm excited about the title of this book. I'm a big title guy. Like, that's, that's as much reading as I normally do, as I've read the titles of several books in the last year. This is called The Power of Conflict. Speak your mind and get the results you want. So this is essentially a book that's like arguing is good. It's, yeah, it is. I mean, let's look at the world today. We're in politically and stuff. I disagree.

Look at the world that we're ready guys. If people don't stick up for what they believe in, the whole thing freaking unravels. So whatever it is that you believe in, say it, man, stick up for yourself. And that's what the book is about. So about 70% of people avoid conflict. They're scared to engage in it. Now, you're not one of those. But most people are scared to engage in conflict.

They back up. So that means that they're not living their lives. The things are important for them aren't important enough to speak up. So this book's purpose is to give those people the tools and the confidence to stick up for themselves. I mean, I do like speaking up sometimes, but there are other times where I just think to myself, it's just easier to just deal with something. Like if I'm at a restaurant or something like that, and they bring me out the wrong drink, right?

Let's say I ordered a double Long Island iced tea and they only gave me a single. And I just pretend that I'm fine with that. And I just, you know, end up accepting with it because it's easier sometimes to just take it rather than make a big stink about everything. But that's bullshit because you would normally order a triple and they'd give you a double. That's what would get you angry. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. It's a fake story. But like, where do you, where do you draw the line? Like, when, when is it time? When do you know that like, okay, this is a big enough deal for me to make a big conflict? It's a great question. We talk about that in the book.

Some conflict isn't worth it. You know, just screw it, guys. They're not worth it or it's not worth it. But when you determine that something is worth it, it means something to you. Well, then you should freaking stick up for it if it means something to you. Now, if it means something to me, I don't want to get into an emotional screaming match with you. That's not going to change any minds or do anything. It's got to be with dignity.

I'm not going to curse you out. I'm going to look at you. I'm going to listen to you. We're going to engage and I'm going to try to change your mind. And you're going to try to change mind. And that's good, man. That's what makes the world go around. But when we stop talking to each other

and we're scared to engage, that sucks. That's when society stops where people with the big mouths take over from the ones that, you know, kept silent. Yeah. So you're for diplomatic conflict. With dignity, absolutely, man. I don't want to rob you of your dignity, you know.

So what prompted the, you know, the meat of this? Like, what did you see in society where it was like, I got to say this? Well, you know, I'm now done about 230 episodes of Bar Rescue. You're a big fan, by the way. We don't get into it. Thank you. Twelve years I've been doing a show.

And I do about 60 days work in four days. So it's pressure. And I've learned to use conflict in a really positive way. Now, you've seen me scream at people. You've seen me throw food at people. But I always get my hug in the end, right? So there's a way to do it where you can still know I care about you, man. I'm well intended, but I'm going to beat the shit out of you about this.

Right. So there needs to be a line of, you know, humanity in this, if you will. It's like football coaches. Football coaches, like, they will scream. They will get in your face. But then you'll always hear people like, I'd run through a brick wall for that guy. You know, it's funny.

We were just talking about that this morning, about how coaches today, even in high school and stuff, they're softer, right? They can't be as aggressive as they used to be because of the political environment that we're in, right, guys? Yeah. Athletes, and you certainly know this well, buddy, a great coach pushes you to be better than you even thought you were, right?

That's a great coach. They can. Some of them are assholes, though. But a great coach. A great coach will push you to be better than even think you are. Those are really special moments. That comes from conflict. That comes from aggression.

You know, that comes from the courage to engage, man. And, you know, Marshaul Lynch, when he was on Bar Rescue, he said to me off camera, he goes, you'd make a great freaking coach, man. That's why Billy turned out to be such a soft kid was because his coaches were afraid to really push him in high school. No. He only benches 275, John. Can you believe that? A guy that works out constantly.

But now. No, but I have actually a quick question. So my generation in that same vein. So basically, I myself, I worked in the service industry. I was a bar back, bus boy. I was a bartender for a little. And because I was in the service industry, I find myself way more forgiving when I'm at a restaurant. And like, as PFT said, like not complaining about certain things being more lenient. Do you think that that has a negative effect on the quality and sort of basically the standards that a staff holds themselves to? if their whole clientele's pushovers? Do you think that detriments the establishment? I do. I think that, you know, I wouldn't get in a fight with somebody in a restaurant. I'm not suggesting that we conflict with people who are serving us.

But sure, I mean, customers should stick up for what they're paying for, for value. And if they can't constantly accept less and less and less, when does the less stop? Right? So, you know, I'm staying in a hotel, for example, in New York,

one of the best hotels in New York. and it's interesting that you get breakfast in a cardboard box. Now, it used to be the car came up to the room with the beautiful china and the silver club. He said, now you get your breakfast in a fucking box. So I called the GM of the hotel and I say, hey, land, when are you going to become a real hotel again? Everybody has a freaking excuse now.

Oh, COVID, I can't get this. I can't get that. I can't do this. I can't do that bullshit. Fight harder and you'll freaking get it. So it's our responsibility to hold them to a standard too. I mean, when do we become real again, man? We're going to blame COVID for everything for the rest of our fucking lives?

What's the, what's the balance, right? So what's the line across it from like, I'm holding the establishment that I'm at to a certain standard and, like, you're just complaining Karen. Like, what's the line? Because as, if you worked in the service, as you know, yo, people would be complaining about little shit. So it's the way you do it. No, I didn't do it that way to the gym. I called him.

I told him who I was. I told him I have a couple of suggestions that I think he'd like to hear. I know if I was a general manager, I'd like to hear it. And then give it to him. I'm saying, what's the line? Like, like, when is it too much and you, like, when it gets emotional? Okay.

Because when it gets emotional, when we're screaming at each other, nothing gets done at that point. You know, keep it cool, keep it calm. Let's talk to each other. But you got to mess with people a little bit. You know, if you're saying something that I am not interested in at all, I'm going to put my hand on my chin. I'm going to look you in the face.

I'm going to make you think I really care what you're saying. Because that's going to open you up to talk to me more, right? And conflict is talking, man. engaging with each other. So I don't want to do anything that pulls your back. I don't want to see you crossing your arms and doing that kind of stuff. I want to pull you in, you know. So when was the last time that somebody like had a conflict with you that was like, you know what, Taffer's fucking up right now. And I'm going to tell him to his face. Never. Never. Never. You've know me pretty well. Can you see that happening? You've never been beaten in a conflict.

Not really. Undefeated. I'm pretty undefeated. Yeah. We have something my family calls a Tafford deductive logic. I can make you agree with anything if I have an time okay call a cap on yeah I don't think I'm so mentally powerful I don't know if you're gonna be able to do that I'm trying to think of something that we can disagree on real quick there's a bunch the best the best urinals in bathrooms are the ones that have ice in them I would agree with that I like the ice okay yeah it's fun to watch the cubes melt when you piss it is it's like you're playing a game did you see the bar rescue episode we had the pissing game yes it was a target in the urinal and if you if you piss you get a score yep

And who stays on the target the longest and pisses the longest gets the highest score. That's kind of fire. Have you thought about going back to like the worst bar rescues that you've ever done? Like the real fuck-up plates. Like the O-Face? Oh-Face. Was that the one? Yeah.

That was in that trailer. That's the one I walked out of that they didn't rescue. That was my favorite one. I love that one. You know, that guy's in jail now. Sick? Not sick. No, sick was a good guy.

Yeah, sick was a good guy. Yeah, sick was a good head. He's in jail now for employee harassment or sexual harassment or something. That makes sense. Yeah. Would you ever go back to a place like that, check up on them? Well, I'd like to go back and just beat the fuck out of him some more. That guy really deserved it.

You know, it's fun to go back to him. We used to do a show called Back to the Bar. We go back and we visit some of them a year or two later. And it's fun to see what happens back then. What's your best one? What's the biggest success story from Bar Rescue? There's a few of them. Probably spirits on Bourbon.

Their sales have been about $2 million a year higher since we left. And that was almost 10 years ago. Okay. And they're still doing those. huge numbers so and they're pretty close to me we've stayed close over the years what did you I remember you gave him something that was like a special novelty drink that the resurrection wanted people to see it when they were walking out on the street like where'd you get that drink from yeah so we studied bourbon street and I learned that this will surprise you 70%

of all the cocktails sold on bourbon street are sold to go yep so everybody else has the bar facing the room I put the bar facing the street so that then sold more then we looked in every cocktail on bourbon street was either green or red so I said okay, let's do a blue one. Let's own the only blue cocktail on Burbby's. Then we put it in a skull cup that blinked. And the logic was when you saw it on Burbank, he's, wait, where'd you get that?

Where'd you get that? And it worked. They had to buy a warehouse in Baton Rouge to store the cups. And they sell about 18,000 resurrections a month. That's pretty good. Yeah. That's pretty good. I love a good novelty drink too.

Novelty drinks are my favorite. I'm like the lowest class person in the world when it comes. If you give me something that is like either poured out of a shark or are lit on fire at the end. You're in. I can't help myself. I have to buy it every time. It's just more fun to drink

out of like a giant fishbowl than it is out of a regular glass. And we need to have a conversation. By the way, we call those rituals. Rituals. Ritual cocktails is a term that we created years ago. So ritual cocktail could be a bartender

doing something at the bar with fire or whatever. And then there's other ritual cocktails. Like the simplest one of all is Corona beer. You put the lime around the edge. It's a ritual before you drink it. Yeah. Right. If the lime didn't exist, I'm not sure Corona would be a popular beer now. Right? It's that whole lime package. You know how that happened?

Glassware in Mexico is really dirty and it has bacteria on it. So the citric acid and the lime kills the germs on the rim of the glass. So that's how it started. Was using the lime to clean the glass originally. But that ritual sells a shitload of beer. It does, yeah. We also had a glassware plastic expert on and he said that because the clear glass makes the beer skunky the lime also kills that another little fact i'm not sure about that but well it's but that's why other beers had the dark glass argue billy conflict yeah conflict yeah conflict stick out for your fact man that makes the light the uv rays penetrate the glass but that would mean that every other light beer in a clear glass would suck if it didn't have lime well what's

another one besides corona that's in a clear glass in a clear glass bottle yeah i'm gonna have to think about it there's a few of them uh i can't think of one at the moment i don't think there is There's Miller High Life is in a clear bottle. That's also a skunkier beer. There's soul, but it's one of the largest selling beers in the world and they don't use lime. True. So how skunky could it possibly be? Well, it's usually made in smaller batches that get to the source.

I'm talking about the beer in a glass. The batch doesn't mean a fucking thing. Don't change a topic on me here. It's a distributor at a table, I think, a lot faster than Corona. And also it's served in colder temperatures than a corona, which is usually served in very sunny. places. Good point, Billy. Oh, come on. But it comes out of an ice bin.

Boy, he bullshits pretty good, doesn't it? Oh, my God. I read your book. Yeah, no, I mean, who's to say whether or not the clear glass has anything to do with the lime? You make it sound like it. It could be a thing, so I'm going to choose to believe it. Billy just lies about most things. I don't know.

But he does it pretty well. He does it very convincing. No, I could understand your point, but that is not why the lime exists. The lime exists because it was a sanitation thing. I heard, yeah, but I just heard. So what about Blue Moon with the Orange? Does that have to do because it's skunky too? Well, I don't drink any of those types of beers.

So if you don't drink any of those beers, how do you fucking know about the beer you're talking about? Because I, I heard about that. That's like I watched one baseball game in my life. I've never watched any others. No, but I just, I like, I mean, I like domestic light, cheap beer. Coorslet? Billy loves Coorslight. I will drink so many Coors Light.

The mountains turning blue. From your perspective, like you're a bar of science guy. that's got to be a top three invention of all time, right? What? The mountain's turning blue. What do you mean? When the beer gets cold. Oh, sure.

The mountains turn blue. That's a real thing? It's incredible. It's incredible, yeah. You didn't know that? I don't drink beer, though. Take a look at it. So when this is cold, the mountain goes blue.

The mountain, you don't know, I can't believe you didn't know that about I don't drink beer, fan. Dude, I think I got cold ones in the fridge. That's a wine cooler. It's not cold. No, yeah, that's only like 50 degrees. But it's true. Is this cool thing?

The professor created that chemical that turns blue when it goes cold, I think, like, teaches at some college, and that's his opening line. And the whole class is like, whoa. You know, with draft beer, freshness is everything, right? Yeah. So years ago, when I was consulting to Anheuser-Busch, we recommended that they put a seal on every keg that if it gets over 42 degrees turns color. Smart. So they would know that you can't sell that keg that it's not fresh anymore. We presented this whole concept that it's not expensive to do.

it's like 20 cents, right, for the sticker on there. And you could do it by palate, et cetera, but they never did it. And I always thought that was a really important way to manage, you know, beer quality is through temperature. Is there any way that we can get good Guinness in America? Can you, like, figure that out for us? Well, it's got to be on draft, not in a bottle.

As a Guinness bottle, because Guinness bottled is not the same as Guinness. Right. Why does Guinness think so much over here compared to what it tastes like overseas? Well, for somebody who's not a beer, I don't, for the other people who's not. What's the difference between draft and bottled beer? Well, draft beer is in a keg. Bottle beer is in the bottle.

There's actually a pretty big difference in the flavor profile between them. For example, bottled beer is much more carbonated than draft beer is. So draft beer also has to be refrigerated. It typically doesn't have the preservatives in it that bottled beer does. So there's a big difference between the two.

What's interesting is, and I know you're not a beer guy, you'll consume about 30% more beer if you drink draft rather than bottled because it has less gas in it. It doesn't bloat you as much. There's an experiment I used to do. It'd be fun to do it to do it, together, you take a two glasses, you pour a bottle of beer into a glass really quickly, and

then the other one you pour in really slowly. Then you take a piece of paper towel and you put it in a glass that you poured slowly, nothing happens. I mean, the glass that you poured quickly, nothing happens. When you put it in the glass, you poured slowly, it erupts and comes out of the glass, and that's what happens in your stomach. That's why if you drink beer out of a bottle, you're going to drink a lot less than if you pour it into a glass first, let some of the gases disappear, and then drink it.

about a can same thing can a bottle same thing same thing same pressure typically yep okay so big difference if you put it in a glass you're gonna drink more is that why you get more hung over when you're drinking keg beer because you're drinking more beer typically yes wow because the alcohol content is the same right yeah but it makes sense you're consuming less gas you're consuming more yeah i mean keg speaking of gas yeah there needs to be like a show like like like bro science with billy football bro rescue bro where billy just shows up to your frat and he tells you all this shit could be way sweeter if you just switched it around. Actually, that would be an amazing video series.

It would be bro. Frats be like, the kegs aren't cold. Bro rescue. Billy shows up to the door ones. We should do that, buddy. We could do that together. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Go to Friday in Cross America. Showing up being like, hey, you need to have that poster of the two chicks making out with each other over here. Then you need the pink Floyd back pit poster where they're all naked over here. Who's your door guy? The ratio's terrible. You boy, Billy walks in. He's like, you have a Boondock States poster up?

What year are we living in right now? I think we can make that happen But the Guinness thing Why can't I get good Guinness in America? First of all, Guinness has to have its own draft system Because it's pushed by nitrogen Whereas other beers are pushed by CO2 So it's a big difference

You have to have a special nitrogen feed Then you have to have just the right pressure Just the right temperature of 39 degrees Then you have to fill it in a Guinness glass To the top of the harp Yep Then you let it sit for about 120 seconds or so 100 seconds and it cascades

when the cascading is done, then you top it off. And you can be certified as a Guinness server. Right. And what bars blow it is they don't wait to top it off. They just fill the glass and send it out. So it's never right. Right. They're trying to get orders in, get orders out.

And so they're trying to make money that way. But so I get that there's like a process to pouring it. And I've seen some places that try to do that. But for whatever reason, the quality of the Guinness in America, like it just doesn't take. Maybe it's not quite the same. Maybe it's because like when I'm in Ireland, I feel like I'm in Ireland. It's like freshness matters. You know, if you go to St. Louis, they have something called same-day beer.

And bars have signs in front of them that say same-day beer. So they get Anheuser-Busch in the distillery to drop it off that day. Yeah. Big difference. So Guinness is a lot fresher in Ireland than it is here. That's got to make a difference. Yeah, I'm sure it does. Also, one thing when I was working as a bartender,

because it operates on a different system, sometimes it doesn't get cleaned as much as the other ones. And that impacts the taste. Because the other guys from, I'm not going to clean. the Guinness line. Only Guinness is going to queen the Guinness line. Yeah. So it's Mad Dog's birthday today. Happy birthday, Mad Dog. How come how come there aren't, we don't have like too many bars that serve these like cheap wines like Mad Dog or Night Train? We appreciate those people that don't serve that. How come that's only something I can get in like 7-11? I have a friend who's creating a new

product called pie wine and it's wine to be eaten with pizza and it's in a can crack it and it's So I think there's a real opportunity for cheaper wines today and canned wines and bottled wines. I've been seeing a lot of rosé on tap. Yeah. And canned rosés as well. Yeah. But, you know, wine now, good wines are being sold in cans and the sales are going up every year. So it's amazing.

So in a couple years from now, you might be drinking a fine Bordeaux out of a can. I love that. What's the next innovation in the bar scene? What are you working on right now? Like when John Taffer goes back to his lab and you put on your goggles and your lab coat, We're getting into the bar science stuff. Like, what's the next butt funnel? Ooh, not a good memory, buddy.

Yeah, listen, I used to watch Bar Rescue, like, all day on Sundays. That was how I would get, that would get rid of my hangover, actually, is watching that show. You know, the trend in the industry is all technology, kiosks for ordering all this kind of stuff, and I'm against it. You know, I think when you go to a bar, you should look in somebody's eyes. The connectivity of a bar is really important with the staff, et cetera. So in my taffers taverns, my restaurants, all the technologies in the back of the house, they have computerized cooking, robotic cooking. Everything is computerized, but in the front of the house, nothing is.

And I'm finding that a lot of restaurants are going too much technology. If you go to a restaurant or a bar, you order in a kiosk, you don't have no connectivity. Somebody drops it at the table, walks away. The brand doesn't exist anymore. I agree. It's just transactional, you know what I'm saying? It loses its heart and soul. So I'm one who pushes back.

on a lot of those things but video systems and our interactivity of video systems control of entertainment technology putting special cone speakers over each table so you can pick one football game you can pick another one the tables next to each other you don't hear each other's games you know those kind of technologies that give the guest control of their own entertainment yeah is really the future of where this is going you mentioned um like automatic uh food prep so everything front of the house would be like you know face-to-face old school and then we're talking about robot chefs are we talking about like a system in place where there but he's running computerized cooking systems and it's very simple so where i used to have seven guys i now have two where it used

to take me seven days to train them i can now train them in four hours okay it's a whole different deal using all of these systems and procedures to business efficiency that's what i have a question about so in all your uh experience and and and flipping bars and and and changing the lands what's like the biggest advice you give to entrepreneurs because you know I'm an entrepreneur myself and so a lot of people out there I tell them like 98% of businesses fail within the first two years and so like what are like some key tendons to like bars in general or business in general that you give to people for advice to like stay afloat you know it doesn't matter what business you're in if

you're starting a new business especially today you got to expect it to take longer than you expected and that it's not going to be as profitable as you thought right away. So I always say what Vince Lombardi said. And he always said, I never lost a football game. I just ran out of time. Most businesses ran out of money, ran out of time. Had they had enough money for a few more months, they would have made it. So if you don't have the experience, have the checkbook to pay for it. And that's the most important thing. Make sure you have the money so that you have a runway long enough because you're going to make mistakes. But every month, you're going to get better and you're going to figure it out. And what happens is by the time you get good, you're out of money.

it's over yeah so extra money is really the trick if you believe in what you're doing guys have the money to give it a chance follow up question how do you secure financing like what avenues would you recommend for someone who's trying to start a business or whatnot well you know it depends if you have experience in that business if you don't have experience in that business good luck you know go to mom and dad that's probably your best shot family and friends but if you do have experience you know sba there's a lot of places you can go get bank loans today i have a friend who opened up a restaurant in California. What he did is he sold $1,000 gift cards. And he gave them out to everybody, but you're only allowed to spend 100 of it a month. And he raised a bunch of money with the

gift cards, opened up the restaurant. And by controlling how much they can spend each month, he's still making money off regular guests. Smart. So there's a really smart way to do that. What are the stats on gift cards? Is it like if you sell a gift card, what percentage of them actually ever get redeemed? About 30% of gift cards nationally are never redeemed. Now, It was just a law passed. It used to be, I think, after a year, the money was mine right at the stores. Now I think it's two or three years you have to hold it. But roughly 30% of gift card revenue is never redeemed.

We got to start selling macrodosing gift cards. It seems like easy money. What do we redeem it? What can you redeem it for? More gift cards. How about go all the way, redeem it for NFTs? Yeah, there you go. Bullshit selling bullshit.

No, you just created a synthetic market of just complete and utter bullshit. And then if you're at the top of that pyramid, you're going to make a lot of money. I sold some NFTs to some NFT collectors, and they really appreciated them. Did you make money? Yes. Good. Kind of. I did.

Did you make what you should have? On what? Your NFTs. Yeah. I mean, literally I wrote, I drew a frog, and it sold for way too much money. How much? Like four figures. Okay. So like we're talking like $2,000, $3,000?

Yeah, which is ridiculous. But did you get U.S. currency or some fake currency? I got, it's actually worth more now than it was. So it is. I'm just keeping. So fake. No, it's not fake. I mean, I could, I could sell it in Coinbase like in a second, but I'm actually keeping it there because it's growing. Do you think maybe you got paid all this money because you're actually just a great artist and the drawing of the frog was that good? I think I'm sneaky. Stay honest. I want to find out if he actually ever gets cash out of it.

I'll cash out. I will look into it. I'll cash out right now because we're not doing taxes. You won't. I'll cash out right now. Wait, we're not paying taxes? Wait, what does that mean? Well, because I did my taxes already this year. So next year doesn't count.

It's not real. Next year off the new year, you got to do taxes again. Next year I'll forget about it. You already did him, John. He did last year. He's done with taxes. And then next April, he's going to have $0 in a checking account again. I'm so glad that John Tafford.

That was, really you don't want this guy running your business. No, no, no. I would be a great business man one day. Just you guys wait. I hope so. John, what are your recommendations on paying taxes? Do you recommend that people pay them or not pay them? Of course, pay them.

Okay. But remember, life isn't how much money you make. It's how much you keep. That's a good point. So don't overpay them. You know, it's worth it to have people double check and look at things, you know, and make sure that you're not overpaying. Yeah.

Big T. Most people do, by the way. You get any questions for John? Yeah. So when you go into a bar, what is something you look for in a business that wouldn't be obvious to someone, but it's obvious to you that you're like this is going to fail. Sometimes it's really subtle things. Most people determine if they like a business or not the first three steps in.

So you walk into a bar restaurant, you go in three steps. In the first three steps, you know what it smells like? You know what it sounds like. You know what music they're playing. Is it for you or is it not for you? You can look around and see if it's organized or not. You can walk up to a table. This is one of my pet peeves.

I'll walk up to a table and pick up a salt shaker. If it's greasy on the outside, I got them. They don't know what the hell they're doing. Because they don't clean them. Because they're not cleaning them, right? You know, excuse me, little subtle things like that are really powerful. Mine is how a business's bathroom is kept to me is very indicative of how they run their shit. Yep, absolutely.

Bro, if I walk in a bathroom and it's clean, I'm like, yo, this is good business. And if it's not, it's like, you just don't care. You think about what the kitchen looks like, right? Yeah, maybe it might work. It probably works, yeah. Yeah. My thing is, if I go up to a table and I sit. down at it and it's a combination of both wet if there's like a if there's like a puddle on the

table and it's off balance then I'm like this place sucks yeah if it's a wobbly table that's the worst thing on the wobbly table you know what bothers me about that the server wiped the table and it wobble didn't do a freaking thing about it you can take that night they clean it didn't do a freaking thing about how many people know that table is wobbling but not one person did anything about it that tells me they're just not paying attention to a lot of things not just wobbly tables. We should invent a way to like recalibrate these wobbly tables fast and efficiently. There is, we've had them on Bar Rescue.

There's a company called Tilt Proof or something that makes a table base that the feet level themselves. It's genius. You pull a lever and they all just find their spot and then you let go and it levels itself. It's genius because that that will ruin my entire experience in the restaurant. I could be eating at the nicest steakhouse in town. And if it's wobbly table, I hate it, I hate it. It's panic-inducing. The entire time.

So if you go out for a special dinner tonight, what are you getting? You're a steak guy? Yeah, I like a nice ribeye. Yeah, I'll probably do a steak. I mean, I'm a simple guy. Usually when I go out to eat, I'm eating chicken wings. I'm eating, you know, a Philly cheese steak. I'm eating soup.

I'm a big soup guy too. But the meal where I treat myself, yeah, I'll get a ribeye. What about you? Favorite meal in the world is Japanese ramen. Really? Oh, yeah. Huh. I wouldn't have expected that.

Yeah. It is, though. Here's an idea for you. I'm a big steakhouse guy. I love a steakhouse. Get a huge rib-eye, cream spinach, even broccoli, rob, like, mashed potatoes. I love the whole get-up. Medium rare.

I like a hot plate. I want the plate to be hot. I want to be sizzling when it comes out. Yeah. So we've been doing this stuff now. We have cocktails that have food in them. So, for example, we'll make a Bloody Mary and we'll make some grilled cheese sandwiches. And we'll overcook them a little bit.

And we'll cut them in. strips and it'll stick out of the Bloody Mary. So in the Bloody Mary, the garnish is half a grilled cheese sandwich, which when you dip in the Bloody Mary is really good. Is it? We've done it with shrimp, we've done it with meatballs. It sounds horrible. I'll give it. Garnishing on time. It's pretty cool. There's a place

called Sobelmans up in Milwaukee that I went to one time, and they're known as being like a big Bloody Mary place, and they do that with cheeseburgers. There's even one Bloody Mary that you can get that's got an entire fried chicken on it. On a skewer that's going into the drink. It's a little bit much. I've done the slider. I've done the slider.

Yeah, the sliders are good. I had an idea about six months ago. I pitched it to Guy Fierry, who regrettably said he didn't think it would work, but I've been workshopping it for a while now. I think they should make alcoholic soups. I think there should be a soup that has booze in it so you can eat and drink at the same time and get fucked up. Because there's dishes that you can eat that use wine or they use brandy and cooking, but all the alcohol gets cooked out. I'm talking about something that you add the alcohol at the end. And so I tried making like a corn chowder with vodka in it and Old Bay.

It would be trash. It was not, it wasn't good, but it also wasn't as bad as I thought it was going to be. So I've got to do some more experimenting, but I feel like, I feel like there's something to that. I could see a hearty soup with a bourbon in it. Yeah. You know, I could see some. I'm going to play with that on Bar Rescue. Just think about it.

Which, by the way, when are you coming to do recon? So listen, I've been talking about that. I've been busting his balls, you're welcome to. And you always got some freaking excuse. I think he's terrified. Don't invite me, dog. I'm going to throw food out of him. I don't make excuses.

I make improvements, right? I think that's a John Taffer quote. I don't endorse excuses or whatever that thing was. But what I'm saying is like we have wanted to come on Bar Rescue. The issue was it was back in 2018. Oh, man. We made a pandemic hit and shit too. Yeah, we made a wager.

We made a wager. I lost. You lost. The Washington Capitals beat the Las Vegas Golden Knights in the Stanley Cup finals. No big deal. And then. It's a big deal to me. Yeah.

Yeah, no, it was actually the biggest deal of my life. I had been waiting for that for a long time. And so I was going to go in Bar Rescue. Me and Big Cat were going to do Bar Rescue, Bar Reconnaissance, and go, you know, spy on a bar for him. And for whatever reason, the schedules just have not aligned yet. I do want to make it happen. It'd be fun.

If there's any bar rescues that take place, like, in the New York area, the problem is now that Big Cat, he's got two kids, you know, the whole family, he's got to be a dad all the time. It's tough to drag him away from home base because. You guys do it. Yeah, so, yeah, just let us know. I'm there. I'll send you schedule.

We'll make it happen. Give us the options and we'll make it happen. And then maybe we can come up with some sort of alcoholics. Well, we'll do a soup in that episode. I like that. That's going to be trash. I'm going to try it, though. But I got a question for you, man.

Okay, so the theme of today's episode is reality TV. And so I want to know how the mash between, like, you actually operate in a business and combining that reality TV has been in your experience. Because for my experience, reality TV is, so toxic and a lot of it is is scripted as negative as hell it's negative and it's scripted it's drama based right so um what has your experience been like actually trying to help people and their businesses and improve their livelihood uh versus putting together a good product for a show that's a great question thank you know the fourth episode of bar rescue and i tell this story in

the book there was a new network executive who comes on set tells me to take a tampex put ketchup on it and throw it on the floor in the ladies room then he goes out and starts talking to the employees. I want you to cry. I want you to. And I stopped. When I signed my show with the network, fortunately, I already had money. I was already successful. The deal was that it would be authentic. This executive comes on set, does all that stuff. I literally told him the fuck off. Through him off set, the show was canceled. The next day, the vice president of network flies to Chicago. We were doing the Abbey in Chicago, walks around the block with me and says to me, John, listen, we can have creative agreements, but you can't tell the vice president of the network

to go fuck himself. So at that moment in time, it became clear between the network and I that the show was going to be real and that I would be in charge of it, not a producer. So I can look you in a face now and tell you, there's never been a script,

there's never been an actor, there's never been a setup, there's never been reshoots, there's never been fake, what you see is what you get. I'm rare. I'll tell you the other one who is that way is Robert Irvine.

Robert Irvine is straight as well. His show is completely real. Him and I just did a show restaurant rivals on Discovery together. And I was surprised. Him and I are about the only two that are real. Okay. You know, like housewives and all those shows?

Yeah. If they don't get in the fight, they're off the show. Yeah, yeah. I've always wondered when you're doing like the, sometimes when it's the recon or if it's like the soft launch or whatever. Or no, I guess it's during the recon phase before you go in the first time, the cameras are already in the restaurant, right? They've been there for a couple days.

So they know that you're coming at some point, but they just don't know where. Well, you know, it's interesting. If you look at the way they act, if they thought about the camera, they wouldn't act that way on national television. Right, that's what I'm saying. The cameras just disappear. They know they're there, but they just sort of disappear and it becomes, you know, you and me, we're looking in each other's eyes and the cameras just tend to disappear. Thank God. Well, they would never do the things they did if they thought about the camera. I mean, these people embarrassed themselves. It's incredible the way they bet. How long is the reconnaissance that's usually

do on a bar? I'm there only four days. Really? So here's what happens. I go in and do recon. It takes about an hour and a half. I sit in a chair before I do recon. I get literally a 60-second briefing. John, they're losing this much money. George is ready to kill his partner. They lost their house, blah, blah, blah. They have enough money to make it two more months. That's all I know. I go in, do recon.

Excuse me, getting overcoat. After recon, what you don't see is we take the owner of employees. They put them in vans in the parking lot. And I go in and I design the bar that night. Figure out the name, the logo, everything that night. The next day on camera is stress test and training. What you don't see is I'm signing off on bar stools, wallpapers with designing the concept.

By the end of the second day, the logo needs to be at the sign maker. All the food orders and recipes have to be done. The drink orders and recipes have to be done. All the furniture and everything has to be ordered. I can't get this. Now that doesn't match. I got to change that to get that. I mean, it's a freaking nightmare.

Then the third day we start remodeling. So right after stress test, status, everybody goes home. We rip the place apart. We start modeling, remodeling it. That's the end of day two. Day three, we train in another location because we're building it. And day four, we reveal it. that afternoon.

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Sport clips are the pros in men's hair. Now, more John Taffer. Let me tell you a funny story. I'm doing a rescue in Southern California. And in my 60-second briefing, the producer tells me, you know, the husband's coming home at 4 or 5 o'clock at night. The wife is ready to leave him. Their bar is losing a fortune.

It's destroying their marriage. They have three kids. I say, great, let me do recon with the wife. So I put the wife in my SUV. The screen comes on, and we're watching the husband interact. And she gets in the van with a gift bag. And I look at her, say, oh, what's that? She goes, it's my 14th wedding anniversary.

I said, oh, is that a gift for your husband? She goes, yes. I said, what did you get him? She says divorce papers. We didn't know this was coming. Then the camera goes on, and we're watching the monitor in the SUV, and a girl walks up to her husband and says, are you married? And the husband says, there's no ring on this finger.

The veins are popping out of her throat She's ready to fricking lose it So I look at her, her name was Edith I looked at her, I said, Edith, this is your chance I'm got your back You need to go in that bar And prove to your husband That this is a new day

That you will not tolerate this anymore She goes yes, yes, yes I got it She gets out of the van, goes inside Punches him in the mouth, throws a drink in his face And rips his shirt off That's bar rescue You never know what's going to happen Until it happens.

Wow. Talking about football Marshawn was an incredible episode I mean, hanging with him that week. And his bar was an incredible episode because he hired all people that were ex-cons and people from the neighborhood that he was trying to help out. He's a good guy.

He's trying to help his community, the people around him. And these were, you know, I went in and they were like all gangbangers and stuff. When I left, we were like best friends. It was incredible. It's one of my favorite episodes. Yeah, that's great.

In the spirit of your book, and once again, it's called The Power of Conflict by New York Times and Wall Street Journal, bestselling auction. And LA Times. And L.A. Times and the Star Bar Rescue, John Taffer, some conflict. Because I know that we discussed when you did go on Fox News like six months ago

and the comments about the labor situation in America. I'm interested to hear Aryan's take on this because, and not to throw Aryan like totally under the bus. That's not. But I'm with it. Yeah, but Aryan's like, you know, he's a big labor guy. Yeah. And so the- What was the comments? I forget. I'm trying to remember the exact context.

Well, he's here. Let's just something out of context. What was, I'm not sure what you're talking about. You know, we've had a waiver discussions about why aren't people coming back to work. Yeah, something like that. I think it might have been along the lines that some of the COVID relief funds was preventing. I was just concerned that people were being paid to stay home and that people didn't have the incentive to work. Which probably should have been the strategy from the very start of it, if we're going to just try to do a lockdown, just pay everybody to not go to work right at the start.

And then close the businesses and stuff. Right. But what happened is when a business, imagine. You're an entrepreneur. You put a business together. You're paying a bills every month and none of your employees will come to work because the government is paying them to stay home. Right.

That's not cool. So where are we at right now? What's the future of the labor market in America? Because unemployment is pretty low, right? We're struggling. Restaurants, hotels are struggling big time to get people to come back to work. You know, it's bizarre time. I can't quite figure it out.

But I feel like it isn't... If you read, I was reading a statistic the other day that about 70% of Americans have under $1,000 in their bank account. And then like 52% of them We have paycheck to paycheck I think hire them Why the fuck aren't they going to work then? I don't understand it

I feel like unemployment's pretty low though, right? I think so, yeah. It's low right now, but I think... And you can't survive on it forever, right? You don't get it forever. I think what's happening is there's like a zeitgeist. People in America

and I think just in the workforce in general are starting to feel as though the owners of these businesses are exploiting them. They're underpaying workers and they're reaping all the benefits from businesses that don't work without the workers. And so you have big businesses killing labor unions and stuff like that. And so people are, that's what I feel. And also there's that.

And also the internet has created multiple avenues of revenue streams for people to have YouTube, Twitch, like that stuff. Like, I mean, I ran a Twitch for very small, like 100 people watching at a time. but like I get like $1,000 or something like that. Like, you know, it wasn't, it wasn't big money for myself, but like, that's real money for people. And so those combinations combined, I'm actually interested in your opinion on that. It's lifestyle, too. People see an opportunity. Look, wages are up.

So people see an opportunity to get a better job someplace else. Right. I think you're right. I think that people are looking at quality of life differently today. Yeah. I think that, you know, people are looking at bosses in different ways to me. But I do take exception to one thing that you said. I don't know of any business that successfully busted a union.

Unions are legally protected. You can't throw a union out of a business. No, they try to. Well, they try to. Yeah. Yeah. Just like the union tries to put them in. They try to get them out.

100%. That's the way the world works. But it's still up to the employees. Either they voted in or they voted out. But you shouldn't have, in my opinion, right? You shouldn't have big corporations trying to. Like lobby against you? Yeah, against you.

You know, it's interesting guys. It's interesting. I'm a pretty pro-union kind of guy. But here's a problem. There's a problem. If you worked for me for two years and you worked for me for one year and you're the best employee I've ever had and you just barely get by. I can't promote him.

Right. I have to promote you because you have seniority. Right. That bothers me. Right. So what that means is the employee who's really good, who really steps up, really does an amazing job is 10 in line and seniority to be promoted behind nine people who aren't as good as him.

That's the one thing that bothers me about unions is the structure of promoting people. I'm the kind of guy. If you do great, I want to promote you, man. I want to give you a raise. I want to make you happy. I want you to be with me forever. Unions work against that, too. So there's two sides to every coin.

I'm not anti-union. On that same foot, though, a lot of promotions and a lot of hierarchies in businesses can come from nepotism. And I think that's the basis behind that. Or, like, selective picking. Well, you pick the ones that are going to make you the most money. Not necessarily, though. Well, if you don't, you're an idiot. If you pick somebody who's not going to make you the most money, then you're an idiot.

I agree. I agree. Yeah, you could pick your son just to, like, keep it in-house. Sure, and everybody does that. But if I own a business, isn't it my right to put my son in it? Yeah, absolutely. Sure, but I think it's, it's, if you put your son in it, right, you're doing exactly the opposite of what you said. It said, this guy that's been busting his ass, right, over something that's nepotism.

You're just doing it because it's done. Well, I would think that if my son come in, he should work harder than anybody else. Yeah. To overcome what you're saying. And if he doesn't, then you're right. It's a political issue and the other people are going to resent him. Yeah. I agree.

One thing that I've just been thinking about a lot when it comes to labor in the United States and just the future of what the workforce is going to look like is retirement. Because I feel like 40, 50 years ago, people used to be able to retire at a reasonably young age. They had pensions. Like, can you imagine somebody my age getting into a job that had a pension plan where you turn 55, 60 years old and you get paid for the rest of your life? I mean, unless you're police officer, firefighter, that's really the only two professions I can think of where it's commonplace to have a pension.

Like people used to be teachers, teachers, yeah, teachers, but people used to be legitimately taken care of by their jobs when they retired. Now you see so many people working into their 70s, so many people that just don't work until they die. And that's sad to me that people have to like, they'll never reach a point where they can retire and take time for themselves.

They're always going to be going into work. Are we ever going to get back as a society to a place where, listen, you go to work, you work hard, you keep that up, you're loyal to your job, and you leave when you're 60 years old, and you're able to, you're able to retire and have a good rest of your life. You know, it's interesting, General Motors payroll for people that don't work anymore is greater than those who do. So what happens at some point when a company's big enough and old enough is you have more people that have retired than are actually making your money.

and what happens is you don't have the dollars to pay for the people that are working anymore because it's all going to the people that aren't. So you're right. And we want that. That's the way society should be. But the economics of today don't allow that. We live too long.

People live 80, 85 years old. I'm saying we live too long. No, no, I'm just saying years ago that wasn't the case. I know what you're saying. It's hilarious. So it adds 10 years or so to the pension time. Yeah. So some of these companies are struggling

to pay their current employees while they're overcoming the pension. Guys, it's all numbers. You know, it's all black and white numbers. I can't give you money. I don't have. So the question becomes, you know, we're looking at taking taxes,

corporate tax rate in America. It's proposed now to bring it up to about 35%. That would make us the highest corporate tax rate in the world. China is under 30%. If that happens, then I have even less money for you. So what happens is every time the government taxes us, That's money that comes out of the economy.

I can't pay it to you. I can't buy anything with it. I can't do anything with it. It's gone. Do you think that a company like General Motors, though, if they got like a huge break on their corporate tax, they would just choose to pay that to their employees, like directly? Well, I think they have liabilities to their employees that they have to meet.

So, you know, I think that they would have to. I mean, pension plans are legal guys. You have to meet those requirements. If they got government money, I would think they would earmark it that way to protect it so it didn't. But it's a challenge, guys. Yeah. The tax rates, like, if you look at corporate tax rates, like, in the early days, right, when conservatives, I don't know your political ideologies. I assume you're right-leaning, but like conservatives back in the heyday of what they say of America was, corporate tax rates were really high.

They were like 50, 60 and 70 percent. So, like, what has changed with conservatives' ideology that now they don't want? Because from the studies I've seen in the economic studies that I've read, trickle down economic doesn't work. Oh boy, I disagree with you. I know you do, but, and so let me show you, let me prove it to you. Three years ago when Trump was president,

I'm not pro-Trump, he lowered corporate taxes, tax rates. The next quarter, 750,000 new business applications were filed. The highest in history, we didn't have 750,000 new business applications filed in a year.

Every quarter, 750,000 new business files. Those would not have happened if it wasn't for those tax reductions. Let me finish. Okay. Those people all went and hired people. They went and signed leases. They bought computers. They bought office furniture. All of that happened because of the tax cuts in the corporate world. You see, we in the corporate world want to make more money. The way we make more money is by growing, right? Adding products, adding people, adding locations, adding cities. That's how we grow. That's how we make money. When taxes are high, we can't grow. So we're stagnant.

and that affects everyone. Trickle down has been proven to be successful. You might not be reading the right things. There was, I mean, I'm reading the- I'll tell you me. When the taxes got lower, I hired four more employees. Everybody in my company got a significant raise

when that happened. So trickle-down worked for my people. There was like a decade-long study that came out that said it just, it doesn't work. But like I said, we'll agree to disagree there. But so I guess my question is, why was, because when you talk, two conservatives in general, like they'll say back in the day, like they're talking about the

50s and 60s and 70s, but those corporate tax rates were really high. So I'm, I'm just curious as to what has changed as far as the mindset. Well, they were never 50, 60%, 70% and the corporate tax has never been that high. They're up in the 30s. The highest corporate tax rate in American history was 53% in 1968. That's what I'm saying. But not 70. Okay, okay. The big TW. 50%, 60%, but I still, I still leaps and bounds high. Not a great economic time for America. Right. And it was only for two years. And then they lowered it. You know why they lowered it? Because the economy was failing because the corporate taxes were too high. So the government doesn't give money back unless they have to, do they?

I love this guy. We should have him in more. I'm going to tell, if they lowered taxes from 53 to 35 percent, there's a reason why, because they destroyed the economy by raising the taxes that much. What year was it? 1968 and 69, it was 52.8 percent. And then the top rate was high to last in 1993 to 35 percent. Yeah, so it's been a while since it's been, it's been at 35 percent then. Well, no, no, no. Under the tax cuts and job tax of 2017, the rate adjusted to 21.

Oh, it's down in 21. And that's when everything exploded, guys. Unemployment was the lowest in American history. You really think that like that happened? Business startups was the highest in American history when that happened. You think 750,000 people were like, oh, taxes are lower, so now it's time for me to start that business. You bet.

That's what they said. You don't think it has anything to do with like the bounce back from the recession? No. I'm sure it has like an effect. Because the timing went right to the tax reduction. The fact of the matter is that it was smarter to open a business with a 22% corporate tax rate than a 35. It was an incentive for people to start businesses. Yeah. I guess I'm not smart enough to know how to get there, but I do know that a lot of people my age and younger are, they look at the world and very realistically see that they don't have a path to retirement ever. You know, like they could say. start investing in a 401k, but that's also rolling the dice too. And with wages, what they are, it's like, it's very tough to advance for a lot of people that are in my demographic. And like, I feel for those people, it's like if you think that you're just going to have to keep working every day of your life until you die, that's a pretty bleak existence to have to look forward to. I think that affects people in, you know, obviously like mental health ways as well,

especially if they have a job that they don't necessarily love, one that they just go to for paycheck. I just feel like, I feel like, and everything changes. I don't know if that fixes the entire problem. If your taxes went down 10%, and you just took half of that money and put it into a retirement account, by the time you was 65 years old, you'd be in a good place.

But the government's taking that money from you, so you don't have it. I'm trying to do the math on the compound interest. I get... I mean, that's a fact, guys. This is my favorite guest we've ever had on this show. So here's a question. So understand, taxes don't serve us well, guys.

Taxes just take money out of your pocket. So I ask you the simplest question of all. We got to have schools, right? Who's better with your money? money. You or them. I have never started a school or a fire department. So when it comes to that, the government's better at that. Well, I understand that, but that's a very basic tax rate that we're talking about. Yeah. You know, when they start talking about society changes and economic changes and motivating you to do this and not motivating you to do that and societal architecture and all

that with your money, who's better with that money? You or them? Societal architecture, honestly, I wouldn't trust myself that much, but I see your point. Your point is that, you know, there's certain things that you can be more efficient with than the government is. But I just, you know, I look at a family today. It makes 50, 60 grand a year, three kids. Tax rates are high. They're going to go up. They're paying six bucks a gallon for gas.

He's got to get back and forth to work. I mean, I think about those people every day. It freaks me out how people are struggling today in our country. And I just know if taxes were lower and they could keep more of their money, it would mean the world to them. Much more than to me, it would mean the world to them. them. And that's who I'm being an advocate for, is that middle class middle income family who's really struggling today. And a 10% pickup in taxes would be huge to that. Well, I agree, but the majority of people that argue that taxes should be a thing aren't arguing for the

middle class American to have high taxes. That's my view. I agree. I would agree with that. We're talking about people who make way more money that, like myself. I should be taxed at a higher rate. You should be taxed at a higher rate. Well, you can go write a check to the government right now, buddy. You can pay a higher rate. That's silly, though. Why? If you believe that, then why don't you do it? Because if we're talking about making an impact in the macro, then we're not, then we're not being having a serious conversation about me writing the check to any government agency. That's not a serious conversation.

What I'm saying is if we tax people at a high rate who are making more money, then more, because the reality is a lot of people are living check to check and they need assistance. People who have retired and don't have those pensions or have those funds, they need assistance. And if we live in the society and we claim to care about people like, care about, then to me it's incumbent on us to have something for those people. And to me, I don't mind paying my fair share, right? And I guess your argument. What's your fair share? I mean, that should, that's, that's, I guess that would be debated, right? Because that's a really,

you know, that's a political term my fair share. And that's a political term developed by a political party. What is your fair share? 70% taxes? You okay with that? 80% taxes? It depends on how it's divvied up, right? There's different, there's different ways to split the pie. Like they say, okay, if you make over 500 grand, every dollar after that is 70, or whatever case it may be. There's different ways to divvited up, and I feel like that is, that's debatable. But I feel like if I'm getting tax the same,

if I make $5 million last year and I'm getting the tax the same if somebody makes $50,000 a year, that's ridiculous. Can we throw it at you a different way? When I make money and I do pretty good, I build restaurants with that money. I don't build up my savings account. I don't build up my stock portfolio. That's noble, but that's you.

That's me. Right. I put money back into businesses. Every time I open a restaurant, going to hire another 120 people, right? So if you take that money for me, I'm not going to open those restaurants. I'm not going to create those jobs.

Guys, there's two edges to this sword. I agree, but let's say that same amount of money goes to somebody like myself growing up that had government change. That helps you, but 120 people don't get a job for that. It helps me eat, though, at night. But 120 other people don't get jobs because of it. Let's say it helps 120 people eat that night.

Well, I understand that, But guys like me who hire those 120 people need to be protected. You know, Abraham Lincoln once said something very profound. He once said, if you want to take care of the employees, protect the employer. That sounds like something. Pretty smart. Pretty damn smart. Well, it's pretty damn smart.

Because if the employer doesn't make money, there are no employees. Sure. But if there's nobody buying the product, then there is no employer. That has nothing to do with anything that we're talking about. What? How? I see what Aryan is saying, I think, which is like, The consumer needs money to be able to afford.

Yes. Well, guys, I just said that the average person has under $1,000 in a bank account. Consumer confidence until the past two months has been higher than ever. Spending has been higher than ever. There's no relationship between spending and income. The two don't travel. I would agree with that. So then what you're saying is a meaningful.

No, that's not true. When you're saying, if he doesn't have the money to eat. Yeah. He'll have the money. He'll have the money to eat. What I'm saying is, well, people in general in this, in this country, Overspend. Dollars fuel growth.

Yeah. Growth creates jobs. When jobs are in growth situations, people get promoted. They get raises and their lives get better. When growth is stagnated, none of those things happen. Higher taxes, at a minimum, reduces that. And in some cases, eliminates it. That's my point.

Yeah, I think we'll go round and round about that, but I definitely appreciate the perspective. The power of conflict. Here's a... You know what? But that's a great example. because we were respectful. I'm really curious about what you're saying. You mean something to me.

That was a great discussion. I might have opened his mind a little. He certainly opened my mind a little. We're both better off for that talk, aren't we? Yeah, we disagree. My man, Big Teeter, we disagree all the time. But it's like, I tell you all the time. Like, you got to be able to sit on the other side of the aisle

and just talk diplomatically. I don't want to fight you. And stick up for what you believe. So I also think that the more people don't disagree with each other, then the more they just spend time in their own heads thinking about like the worst caricatures of what their opponents are as humans and they don't get a chance to like talk to them and understand and realize that they're a real human being you know look at the news channels his two perspectives you can pick one channel as conservative another channel

is liberal whichever one you watch watch the other one for a while so you learn about the other side learn what they think why they think it's a great exercise to understand other people bill you have some i was going to pose a question basically uh i found a bunch of pictures because I was taking them. This is back to the labor discussion of chalkboards. Like when you're walking to a restaurant saying, please be nice to the servers because they're the only ones who showed up. Right.

And I took a bunch of pictures of those during COVID. They've sort of gone away, but just to go back to that point. A number of people posted stuff like that. Yeah. You know, please don't scream at the ones who showed up. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, for a while, I feel like so many people were looking to just like post things online.

We were talking about the gas prices the other week. And my idea, tell me what you think about this. Here's another business idea. I don't know if you're in the business of like gas station rescue yet, but here's what you do. You just, you put up like $6.50 cents outside, the most expensive gas that you've ever seen. And then people will go to your gas station so they can fill up their tank so they can take a picture of how much money they just spent on gas and then post it on social media and be like, can you believe these gas prices? I can't believe you said that. I was in Beverly Hills the other day and gas was 740 a gallon.

and I had to pull into the gas station to take the freaking picture but I didn't buy gas but I did take that yeah did you go to the gas station I did I pulled in I didn't buy gas but I had to take a picture of the 740

and you probably if you were thirsty you would have gone and gotten a drink or something like that I'm telling you just like have the fakes highest gas prices in town people will show up just to take those pictures so why not put the gas tenders in tuxedos yeah there you go

make it $45 a gallon you got a glass of champagne with it and create the world's most elegant gas station I kind of I actually love this. That's a great idea. I didn't know, I didn't notice, but my short is staying in Oregon. And in Oregon, you're not, it's a lot of pump your own gas. And so the first time I pulled up to the gas station, I was about to get out. And he was like, how much do you want? Or like, what pump me? Like, what? They got a vest on. And she was like, you're in Oregon, you can't. And I'm

like, what? So you pull up and they do it for you. I was like, that's that. That'll be a fire low. It's a fire low. Same with Jersey. In Jersey. Yeah. You can't buy your own gas. You can't pump your own gas. But yeah, John, I like, I love that idea. The world's most high class gas station and it's like a have like a tiled you know ground you know yeah really well definitely like set up a guest list so like people pull in and you're like i'm sorry sir you're not on the list you can't you can't buy this gas instagraming their photographs at a gas station yeah i got i got a picture of 99 cent gas in southern wisconsin right now uh it was like two years ago that was pretty sick 99 cent gas that's crazy bill are you sure you sure

It was an old Milwaukee beer No, it was gas I'll find it It was at truck stop What's the best Cheap beer in the world Of course light Well no that's not

That's not cheap Billy That's high quality Old style maybe Old style You like old style? Old style's pretty good In your opinion What's the

I mean for an inexpensive beer Bush is pretty good Yeah It's not I like it when they serve it In the hunting The Camop I think Keystone is the best

Cheap beer Why is Why is a Why is wine not really prevalent in bars like that. You know, it's interesting. It's just, most bars will only do restaurants, even, under 5% wine sales.

Yeah. My taffers tavern in Georgia does about 30% wine sales. It's unusual. You don't think, I mean, you don't have like a reason. It all depends upon age groups. Got you. You know, a younger guy like you is not going to be much of a wine guy. I see, I am.

That's crazy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You just profiled them. Yeah. I do, I do. Like, so the wine has been my thing. I took a trip to Napa probably like three or four years ago. And, like, it changed my, and I don't know the taste.

Yeah, because most of your peers are not wine drinks. Yeah, that's facts. And when we go out, it's like, why are you drinking that, dog? So I have a problem, and that's, I tend to leave my debit card at bars all the time. And as a matter of fact, there's one right across the street right now that I left it out on Saturday. Before I went to the flight at MSG, I need to pick it up there. Apple pay, bro. Do they just straight up, like, put 20% on there?

Because I never check my receipts every time. Well, that would be illegal. Oh, they can't just put it. 20% on there? No. That would be illegal for them to do that. They can't put a tip transaction on your credit card and close it out. Okay.

I just assume that every time I picked it up. Unless they say service charge included somewhere, and it has to be a sign or something that says that on the bottom of your check. So it's legal as long as there's a sign that says, okay. I overtip every time I get people. Yeah, I'm a 25% especially these days. I mean, like, 30. I want to reward the ones that came to work.

I recognize we're all having financial issues today. So I really think we all need to. tip around 20 to 25% today and you have to because I'm sure like you know you go into a bar everybody in the restaurant knows like John taffers here he's going to yell at me if I and a guy's a dick he didn't read me a tip yeah exactly then yeah then your picture on the receipt gets posted online and everyone's like oh John taffert's not a tipper so you're like a 25% guy now is that is that standard like if it's just drinks at a bar do you tip the same way as you would when you're tipping for a meal let's say you get $50 worth a beer at a bar yeah but it tends to be the person for

me. You know, if my check is $50 and I really thought to serve it was great, I'll give a $50 tip. You know, I've left $100 tips. I like to reward people, you know, who are worthy of it. It's meaningful when that happens, especially from a guy like me. You know, the fact that I thought of them and did that. So I'm pretty gracious in those ways. When somebody's great, I want them to know it. Even if, like, somebody's shitty, I tend to tip them anyway because it's like, maybe they just had a bad day. I had a bad day. You know what I'm saying? But those great ones deserve it. For sure. I always. desert that recognition.

Billy leaves where you leave NFTs. You leave your crypto wallet. This actually links to the wrong here. Let's be really here. I cannot graciously tip because I'm on a salary. I can't be given $50 tips on $50 bill. That's all right. If I tip like 20, 25% consistently, that's fine.

I say tip if you can. Like I think it's a luxury, honestly. I wish it wasn't, but it's like some people can't afford it. And that's all. That's all right. I over time. Remember, in some places, employees make $2 to $3 an hour because of tip credits. And so they really need that tip money to survive.

That's part of the labor discussion. I've always said that if, if, well, I'm against that. If you can't. Oh, perfect, yeah. If you can't afford to pay 20% tip when you're going out to eat, then you probably shouldn't be going out to eat at that point. I was actually, I was, I was better spent buying groceries and that employee worked just as hard for you as somebody else.

Yes. I was in, I was in Germany a long time ago. And we was at a restaurant. And crazily enough, the restaurant was packed. And my shorthy at the time, we was looking for a table. And the waiter was like, okay, the table's ready. And it was like a whole table full of people. And there was two seats right there.

And I was like, no, here, like you're allowed to sit with other people. But anyway. Communal table. Yeah. It's a custom over there. And so, but after the thing, I left the tip. And she was like, no, don't do that. It's like disrespectful to leave a tip over there because they get paid.

enough. Yes, it's included. Yeah. And so in their salary, they get paid enough so you don't have to tip, which I would like here, but I love that custom over there. So in Florida, the state of Florida spends about 30% of their budget every year for travel in Europe. So a lot of Europeans come. They don't tip because they think it's included from home. It's the opposite for them. Yeah. So what they do in Florida is they do automatic 18% during tourist season because of the Europeans. Yeah. And it isn't that they're jerks. Yeah, they just don't know. Just a different culture. They don't know. Yeah. I've got one last business idea for you. And you can take this one. I know I've given you probably like a billion dollars worth of just three. I'm going to do all these things. I'm investing all my money in these deals. You let me know if you're doing the upscale gas station. I want in. That's actually fire. That's actually fire. I will invest in that. You'll be you'll be hearing from my financial guy. But my last idea and I've been pitching this to a few people also is what about the Titanic 2? I want to build. A giant floating bar restaurant, but it's the Titanic.

Same route. It's the same size boat as the original Titanic. That's a big freaking restaurant, man. Yeah. No, it's a top of the line, like, luxury thing. The inside is designed the exact same way. It sails the exact same route as the first Titanic. This is the important part.

They're the exact same number of life books on this one. So you're taking your life into your own hands, right? But people would do it to sail that same route. and it's just a big, giant floating party, I feel like there's some money to be made there. I don't know. I'm going to pay the same amount of lifeboats? Yeah.

Sort of a cool hook. From a business liability perspective, I understand why people will be hesitant to get involved in it, but I'm telling you, people would pay top dollars. Life is more fun when you risk your life. Yes, and people, yes, it means more. When you get to land, you'll be so much happier. You're like, we made it.

My life is saved. But people would dress up the same way that they did back in 1912. or whatever. So what do you call those people? Nerkers or people who dress up like other people? LARPERS. LARPERS. I was in San Francisco shooting a bar rescue three years ago,

and there was some LARPA convention going on. It's the strangest two days in my life. You know, Twain is coming down the escalator. Abraham Lincoln's going up the escalator. They're all in character. They won't break character. Really bizarre stuff. I love that.

You'd have the boat filled with those larkers. Exactly, yes. And I actually think that it would sell out. I really do. It's like a 1900s anime. convention steered you should go pitch the idea to a cruise line yeah I should I should

no condoms on the boat have you ever done have you ever done a cruise a cruise rescue never done a cruise rescue never done a cruise have you ever like work for a cruise company I've consulted to them why do people go on cruises well first of all they're sort of fun

are they excursions are sort of fun being on a boat is sort of fun I mean you eat I mean it's a different experience why do people climb mountains Why do people jump out of airplanes? I don't do either of those things. But somebody does because they find it exciting and fun. Yeah, I just feel like a cruise.

It's like you're pretty much in jail floating on an ocean for a while. You know, it's funny. The first time I went in a cruise ship, I sat on a boat and I thought to myself two hours later. It's, or what the fuck do I do now? Right, right. I would go hang up by the pool, get a drink, and then it's like, okay, now, now I'm just going to do this for four days. But you got a casino, you got some entertainment. You got excursions, you swim with the dolphins.

I feel like it's a great way for people who don't know how to relax. to figure out how to relax, you know, because it can't work. Like Fisher Price's my first vacation. Yeah. Like make you like not work. I like that.

I like that. You know, it's true though. Because I work all the time. So I get phone calls. When I go on a cruise, I'm completely disconnected. And that's cool.

That's nice, yeah. That's another idea for a bar, just a bar where it shuts down all your cell service so that nobody can be on their phones when they're inside. Put a blocker in there if we played with that idea. One of the,

have you? I would probably go to one of the, bars. It forces you to log off for a while. And I think we all need that. We used to have this thing called electrocute, a selectricution years ago, where everybody came into the bar and they wore their initials on their chest. So mine would say JT. And there was a message board on a wall, an LED message board. And I could text, JT, I want to meet you for breakfast, DM. So now I got to look who's wearing a DM. So I say the yes or no. So all night long, people are selectricuting each other and texting. with each other. At the end of the night, if there's one person who wasn't shows by anyone,

they've been selectrified and we embarrassed the hell out of them, and pull them up on stage and stuff. It's embarrassing, yeah. Just irrelevant. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, just take my phone away in a bar. I think that would be nice. All right, so thank you for coming in, John. My pleasure. Good to see you guys. You mentioned Tafer's Tavern, right? There's one that's opening in D.C. or is it already open? Matter of fact, you were talking hockey a little earlier. Yeah, I saw it right next to the Stanley Cup will be at my restaurant in Alpharetta, Georgia on Thursday.

Okay. So I'm meeting the cup there on Thursday, which is always cool. That's nice. Yeah. And have lunch with the cup. I was walking past Taffer's Tavern in Washington, D.C., when I was at the Caps game. It was being built. Yeah, it was being built out.

So maybe, yeah. You're right by the arena. Then let me know next time you're in town. I will absolutely let you know that. It looks like a wonderful place. So check it out the power of conflict, speak your mind and get results that you want by John Taffer. New York Times, L.A. Times, Wall Street Journal, bestselling author, and the star of Bar Rescue, John Taffer.

And your buddy. And my buddy. And we're going to do a bar rescue. You know, guys, I've been coming to Barstool for 10 years. Yeah, you have been around. Portnye and I and Big Cat did blog rescue 10 freaking years ago. That's crazy. It's amazing, man.

It's crazy. Every time I come here, it's like family, guys. I love it. Thank you for coming back, John. Good to see you guys. Okay. It's raw chicken. I forgot to say that.

Yeah, it's true. You know what that is? That's black mold. That can kill you. I loved old school John Taffer. You just charge at people. Yeah. He was really good at.

just like he would get up in their face yeah and say whatever the hell he wanted and no one would ever say anything i wonder that's what i used to wonder when i was binging his shows i was like if he if he pressed the wrong bar owner though he's something going to fire on him but then again you can't because he's like about to spend like hundred thousand dollars to remake your bar you can't really swing on him like that like yeah you know he's really good at doing is when he's having conversation with bar owners and he did this a little bit with us too today where he'll talk to you and then he'll start nodding his head as he's talking and it makes you subconsciously agree with you start nodding you're he's really good at that like the the body

language the small stuff about communication where yeah he's like and then you're going to want to take the glasses and you're going to clean them every time and they're like that said they're like yeah oh yeah of course yep yep absolutely yeah i like the i like the inviting nature he has even though like we we disagree politically obviously but like i like the inviting nature that he has like it makes you feel good when you talk to him yeah yeah we did fact check the abraham lincoln quote because in the moment I was like, yeah, it seems like one of those memes, seems like he saw a picture with some words on it at some point.

And we think that might be, would you say, cap-adjacent? Yeah. Might be cap-adjacent. But yeah, it was a good conversation that we had with them. So we're going to get to some more reality show stuff and some conspiracies and things that happened behind the scenes, scandals and reality television.

What's your guys' favorite reality show? Oh, okay. So I never watched reality TV. I judged people that watched reality TV Then the pandemic hit And so I just said inside I have circled back And watched almost every reality TV show

And I fucking love them You a survivor guy? No, I haven't done that one Okay But like Love Island is my shit Love Island is my shit And I just I looked into why people

Well I guess we'll get into that But yeah love island Okay what about you big T Are we counting So for it to be reality TV show Does it have to be like Some sort of competition or something? something or like is last chance you a reality show because that's like it's a documentary but are we

counting that i would say that i would say that counts as real like hard knocks is reality television right right if last chance you counts and it's that well there's there's definitely two separate styles reality tv right one which is just like a documentary and then the other which is a competition yeah that's obviously different than like the bachelor or something but on the other hand i would say that real world is definitely reality television but it's not a competition was one of the first ones yeah Yeah, real world might have been the first one. Was it the first? Yeah, I mean, it was going on a while.

And that comes into the back. What makes reality TV? Because game shows are, they've been to things since, what, the 70s, 60s? Yeah. So, like, I mean, she didn't even talk shows. That's kind of reality TV, too. Yeah, I think when you look at American Idol, I would say that's reality television. Definitely, definitely.

Because there's, like, stories that get built into it by it. Like, on a game show, it's like every episode is self-contained and every segment is self-contained. I guess so, yeah. Here's this competitor trying to win this one. In terms of those kind of shows, the first version of American Idol I watched every episode. Yeah. Do you remember, I think it was season two then, Tamara Gray? That was too early for me.

No, I was like, it was like the first. Oh, you didn't watch the first season. I mean, that was, what year was that like 2000? I think it was the second season? Tamara Gray. I don't know. I don't know where she is or what she's doing, but I was in love with her. So that was 2003.

Yeah, I was six. He wasn't watching American Idol, though. Not that I can recall. that was one of the first shows I was allowed to stay up late for the American Idol finale oh yeah did you vote I did I voted all the time did you really yeah I Adam I'm Adam Lambert a mad world who was a kid that was that was a great performance that was insane what do you think is the goat season of American Idol because I would say it probably has a lot to do with how old you are because you all identify with like certain times in your life I would say season two that was one that was Clay Aiken and Rubin stuttered I think right I'm pretty sure it was I don't know the lore Mine was Chris Daughtry I was gonna say Daughtry

Because that was when Sinjaya was on Remember Sinjaya? Yeah Because he had crazy hair And everyone just kept voting him in Because of his hair That was season two yeah I don't remember

Yeah the Daughtry You know who's obsessed with Daughtry Who? Jeff DeLoe Like has an unhealthy obsession A lot of good songs Yeah A lot of good songs on those couple albums

Kelly Clarkson was a good one Yeah Kelly Clarkson That was the Justin Guarani. Was that the season one? Yeah, she won the first season. She won the first season. So, yeah, it was her and Justin.

I remember that in season two, there was this woman that was on there. Her name was Frenchie. Do you guys remember Frenchie? She was a really good singer. She got kicked off the show because it came out that there was like a topless photo of her that was taken back when she was in college. My, how time. I know, really.

She posed topless and they booted her off the show. And then, like, a couple years later, That's crazy. That would increase raving. Exactly. Like, I don't know why they said, like, well, it's not the image that we're trying to sell to her sponsors. Oh, my God. You got, you have tits? You have boobs?

She has boobs. We don't want our sponsors to know that. And then a couple years later, there was a woman that was on the show. Her name was, uh, I want to say it was Barbara. I think it was Barbara. Antonella Barba was her name. And she got kicked off or sorry, she didn't get kicked off, but videos came out of her, like, naked and sucking dick. and they kept her on the show

then Frenchie was like wait a second why did I get kicked off then it became like Frenchie was a black woman Antonello was a white woman and then it became like a big controversy of why they had a double

standard and then later on I remember Antenella Barbara I think she got arrested like two years ago for selling like hundreds of grams of heroin she was like a heroin traffic ass fire yeah I think she's in federal prison

right now Damn. Pants on the ground. You remember him? I remember him. You're looking like a fool with your pants on the ground. That's why I watched the American Idol. William Hung, guys like that.

William Hung. Yeah. And he blew up because of that shit. He probably got paid. He probably made a lot of money. Easily. Do you remember pants on ground, Billy? Yep.

Then remember that other guy. I felt bad for him when he, but he was doing like by the waters of Babylon and he was really bad. there's a couple of bad auditions that just went viral every time yeah so what uh reality show was your goat billy one that i've been watching lately forged by iron yeah bruh it's on netflix forged in fire it's they make like they weld right yeah they weld they blacksmith yeah and it's like people like they either make a sword or uh whatever like you have a competition it's i had no idea why i started watching it but it's like very entertaining for some reason

Is that one of those shows that you would classify as being, like, oddly satisfying? Yes. Yes. When they, when somebody makes something with their bare hands and it turns out to be, like, perfectly smooth and the perfect shape. You know also why it's a bunch of people who it's, it's a passion. Like, there's not, no, they don't get no money for welding shit, right? Right. But it's people who just, like, they'll have, like, their little setup at their house and it's their hobby that they do on the side and they just love to do it.

And I kind of enjoy watching them do their thing. Anyone that has a craft that they get really into, I respect that. What about you, Avery? I mean, the greatest reality TV show ever, season one of Jersey Shore. Hands down. The first season of Jersey Shore, like, set the tone for reality TV in my opinion. Can I tell you a secret? Go ahead.

I've never watched the first season. Oh, fuck, God. I've watched a couple episodes. Like, I've never seen it either, but I know. I bounced in and out. What's the shorty that the famous shorthy? Snooky, snooky. Like, I know the note when Ronnie was making out with chicks at the bar, right?

You have a house on the The situation You're like going to the Jersey Shore And you've never watched Jersey Shore I never watched the You have to watch it This summer at the Jersey Shore You have to watch it

It's just like Is it streaming on something? I don't know if you could You should be able to stream it somewhere It was like I know all the things about it Like I bounced in and out So I know like Jim Tanned Laundry

I know they used to call fucking smushing Right Yeah Greatest show to watch While you're pre-gaming Just have it on the back Cabs are here. Yeah.

Jersey Shore. T-shirt time. What's T-shirt time? It's when they go pick out their T-shirts. Okay. That's when it's when the wife beaters got, came off and the real tea, the Ed Hardy T-shirts came out. Oh my God.

Ed Hardy, though. That whole arrow was skulls and lightning on your shirts. Uh-huh. I'm so jealous that you haven't seen it. Yeah, I'm going to have to watch the entire thing. Now, I have seen like episodes here and there, but I've never seen the first season altogether. Just know their names. Let's see, Snooki, Ronnie, J-Wow.

The situation. That's the funniest shit in the world, though. Who else am I missing out? Sam. Oh, Pauly D. Sam was... I'm sure you haven't watched her brother? No, I know enough.

It's become part of America. Angelina, when she got kicked out... I've never seen it. I've never seen it. Okay. Yeah, she was the run for the litter. Yeah. She used to pack her bags with black trash bags.

Mad Dog, what was your goat? I grew up watching Real Housewives of New York. That was the best. That in Jersey with Teresa had flipping the table. Like that, I remember where I was. I was like 11 the first time I saw that. That was like ingrained in my memory. But Real Housewives of New York is like no matter what moves you're in or no matter

what's going on, like there is something that they're doing that's just way more entertaining than anything you'll ever do in your life. And in terms of the Real Housewives franchises, I like that they, they seem to have, like, the most going on in terms of, like, their own lives. Like, Bethany Frankel, you've interviewed her. I love Bethany Frankl. She's a mogul. She's a mogul.

And now she's, like, a TikToker. She's, like, turned into a TikTok influencer. So I love Bethany Frankl. Luann. Who's the, who's the, like, the bad person? Who's the, the film? All of them. Um, Ramona.

Okay. Ramona singer. That's what it really reality TV needs is a good villain. do you remember that i know you haven't seen too much a survivor but i remember there was this one dude uh named johnny fair play on survivor do you guys know what i'm talking about they did a competition where like one of the contestants was going to get to spend a day outside of the like survivor camp set up so they get to go to a hotel room and they get to like go get spa treatments and things like that really just take a break from the desert island lifestyle

yeah there we go giant fair play and so the way that they were going to do do it was all of their family members, they would each get to pick a friend or family member that would come to the island to visit. Then all the contestants would vote to see who would get the day off. And so it was like a big strategy game. His buddy came and Johnny Fairplay was like, oh, I'm waiting for my grandmother. Why isn't my grandmother here? And his buddy was like, yeah, dude, she's dead. She died. Your grandma died. And then he flipped out. He's like, oh my god my grandma's dead and everyone voted for him to be able to go take the day off because he just found out that his grandma died he made the entire thing off like his his his bro just came in

and they agreed to lie about that so they could get the day off that's great it's an all-time villain move i i respect the hell like if you're that's the thing though if you're on a reality competition like that you have to expect that everyone's lying to you the people that forget that everyone is lying to you or the people that get themselves in trouble and see that's that's so i was on a reality tv show i was on was on was that Speaking of L's... I don't know. It's super L.

The challenge? You know, it was for charity. I was like, it was like, it was like, we'll give you $100,000 for your charity. So I was like bet. It was Stars versus Champs or something like that. Champs and Stars. I don't know. It was on MTV.

Was it the challenge? Was it the challenge? There you go. Yeah, it was a challenge. There you go. And I didn't, I'd never watch the challenge. I had no idea there was games being played within the, like, it's just the wildest shit. And so, like, I got into it with a few of the cast members just because it was, like,

like I was like yo y'all are like backstabbing like this is weird like y'all are like weirdos like it really like we're just playing the game I'm like y'all are liars like y'all lie and so it's like none of that made the camera because like I was like really like I'm not this is drama like I ain't into the drama shit but like you can just see how it was very and like the producers like would like script shit and like hey you go over here and talk to him about this and it was just it was just really I was like yo this is not my speed wow it's really weird yeah so you didn't know that you were getting into like people that loved reality yeah the the game aspect yeah yeah it was wow did you win no i lost the first challenge

it was as against jlo's boyfriend or his ex-boyfriend her ex-boyfriend her ex-boyfriend the dancer mark anthony oh no the dancer oh he was a dancer yeah i think uh was a c t i don't no no no that's not jalo's boyfriend casper there you go there's a there's this website called the the challenge wiki and i guess it has like a page on everybody that's ever been on the show yeah so for you. It says episode Challenge Staredown Partners Red Team Elimination History

Casper. Yeah, he got me. They had us hit these baseball bats or with a baseball bat we hit this thing that spun and like the more you hit it the it tightened. It was just really stupid but I was really trying. That shit hurt and it ended up hurting my hand

like a peeled skin on my hand but I lost. He got me. It is what it is. I've been trying to find footage of it. I was like for it before the episode and it's nowhere so good got scrubbed your people scrubbed it yeah I muted the challenge in my Twitter what about what about you guys have you ever been

almost on a reality show I wish well I was on a good one tried to get cast in one I feel like this is sort of a reality show yeah my life's a reality show that's true that's true there was so Rudy the guy that was coming in earlier that was filming for behind the scenes stuff

he applied for this show I think it's called like naked in love where you just like go to an island, you're just like naked and you get set up on the beach people. It's like the spin off of naked and afraid. That's a fire show. I binge that. Naked and afraid? Yes. I watched one episode and there was simply too much crouching for me.

My friend's dad almost made it on naked and afraid. What is what is crouching? Like people just crouching while naked. Oh like the actual, I thought that was a term. Yeah. No, people are like like, what? No, they're like building huts. They're like starting fires. The entire time they're just like crouching.

Everyone's crouching all the time in that show. How would, how would, what body posture is? I just, I, I just think to myself, like, the last place I would ever want to be crouching and naked would be in the woods. So, have your balls dragging across the dirt and stuff. Your balls don't touch the ground when you crouch. It depends how deep you're crouching. It depends on how hot, how hot it is. It depends on how deep your balls hang to.

Yeah, I, I don't think, basically, he says you had little nuts is what he just said. That's what Billy said. Yeah, I don't think my balls hang that much deep. than like a normal i think i have normal balls i just think that if it's five eight five eight balls yeah five eight balls if it's humid outside and i'm crouching and i'm sweaty i'm sure that the balls are going to be hanging low

that's all i'm saying i want to drag them in the dirt it's actually funny how much of squatting was part of like the lifestyle of like because before toilets people crouch people still crouch like overseas they have flat toilets squatty potty yeah squatty potty squatty potty they have one of the most brilliant ads ever. I may have said this on this podcast, but they have a brilliant ad for their product. And I'm

I sold it. I mean, I bought it. It's your life, right? You're talking about the stool they put in front of the. Yeah, you put a stool in front of it because it's, evolutionarily, that's how we evolved to defecate. Is your knees are supposed to be in the chest. It opens up your intestine and it flows much smoother. But

we sit down when we when we defecate now and it actually ruins our process. It's not good for you. I heard that. That's like one of the reasons why colon cancer, it's a contributor because it's not natural. Yeah. I mean, I don't know about that, but I definitely know that it, it causes a lot of, what's it called when you can't shit?

Concipation. It causes a lot of that. Huh. What different controversies have you guys looked up surrounding reality shows? I don't know if this is a controversy. This isn't a reality show, but it's kind of has to do with, you know, television or movie. The Wizard of Oz and the original Wizard of Oz, there's allegedly somebody that hung themselves or hanged themselves in one of the sets.

Oh, really? And you can see it on the original film, yeah. Let's go to Google. Wait, were you on Hard Knocks? I was. So that's two reality shows that you've done. I was. I hated that shit.

Yeah. What a passion. What they make you do for Hard Knocks? They were just, that was just, that was real. That was recorded. They did try to, I hated it because I hated it because I, I saw people around me start to change. Like, I saw cats on the squad that was, like, doing shit for cameras.

And I was like, yo, get me at it. So, like, any time a camera around, I was like, I'm straight. Like, no place. So if you watch that season, I wasn't really in it because I just hated it. I hated the act of everybody. There was one scene that would have been an interesting now that I'm thinking about it. When I was in the league, it's not normal to have, like, an atheist. and so everybody was always intrigued by it

and everybody was in. So like one of the we always had conversations and we had like this big group conversation we were talking about religion and all the stuff and the camera came. I was like no please get their fuck out of here. But that would actually been a good one to have a camera there but I just wasn't with it. Yeah. Yeah it's like that's a private moment. Yeah. There were some

people on that that was like the famous JJ Watt where he was like staying after practice every day. Singing Fort Minor to himself. Just didn't know the cameras were there on the practice field he was completely oblivious to that just happened to catch him out there and i mean if you look back at it like j j j wott did that's when he was at like the peak of his cordiness i think it kind of worked for him like he built the image that he wanted kind of yeah it really worked for it he built the image that he wanted now i actually i like jj i think

that he's like kind of he's mellowed out a little bit and he kind of recognizes that he did a lot of like really cringe stuff back then but it worked he built he built his image uh getting back the hang munchkin so in the original film in the old version it was blurry so it looked like there was a figure in the trees in the new digital remastered version it's a bird it's like a problem so it wasn't real got you didn't didn't do my due diligence um my friend west he's on hard factor right now but he was on a show called dad camp on vh1 do you guys remember dad camp i remember the name of it it's a show that came out back in like two thousand I want to say 2010 and it was supposed to like educate young unwed fathers who are like completely

irresponsible on how to become an actual adult to raise a kid if they're going to have kids and your friend was on it my friend west was on it but the funniest part was like everybody on that show was like 18 19 years old and then west was like 28 it's like wait why are you need to go to this and basically they're saying west needs to go to this because he spends all of his drinking and hanging out with his bros and so the bros was was me and like my friends and so they showed up and like just filmed just like playing beer pong for an afternoon they're like look what an asshole Wes is all he does is hang out with the boys we're going to turn him into a dad and apparently that thing was like super super staged everything was like micromanaged behind the scenes where they were

like telling them stuff to do things to get mad about it's very easy i think to to like manipulate a reality show um i think the best ones aren't manipulator at all but those are you know it's a really good reality show actually is intervention oh yeah you guys ever watch that oh yeah intervention is a show sad as fuck but it's really good it's sad but sometimes it's like inspirational a little bit that's true um i like candy she was my favorite of the interventionist the older lady she was really good at it um that was one of the original sit down and binge shows yeah intervention he used to play it all the time on like or um hoarders Hoarders is a fire one

I just like You never seen hoarders I've seen it Yeah It's like Whenever an episode ends I always think to myself Like there's no chance

That this person is changing No of course No right Does anybody ever go through hoarders And they completely turn themselves around I mean I don't know I've never done the The recondacy

After the recidivism right But I know The majority of people that hoard Like it's it's trauma It's like an addiction Yeah And it's usually tied to some kind of like emotional suppression that they haven't dealt with something in their past.

And so it's not just about cleaning their shit up. It's about actually addressing the emotional issues that they haven't yet. Yeah. And so it's rare that that happens in life anyway, much less on a TV show. It is, it's refreshing to see like the house change at the end when they clean all that shit up. I just like to see the worst houses. Just like how bad can. Like there was like this lady with dead cats.

There's always cats involved. Yeah. Yeah. Lonely people love. Cats. Yeah. Like, I don't know what that is.

I have a relative who was a hoarder and I had to help clean it up. It's pretty bad. It's bad, yeah. Yeah, it's sad. Yeah, there's dead. I think I saw the dead cat one. That was bad. I seen one with rats.

I seen one where it's like this lady, she just did. She shit and peed in a bucket. Like, she, because the bathroom was filled up with stuff. So she just has a bucket. What does that make people hoard? It usually has to do with trauma. Like, not being able to let go of things yeah they're afraid that they're yeah so emotionally attached

and so like it like they'll be like a thimble and they're like don't throw that out like yeah but there's like hoarding where it's not it doesn't get that bad but it's like hoarding of old possessions yeah um sometimes when like people die they'll just take all their stuff and put it in their house yeah and like so for example like your grandfather dies and he has all this stuff in his apartment you're cleaning it out some people just take all of it and keep it because they don't want to let go any part of the person. I'm like exactly the opposite. I will throw anything away fast.

I wish I could do that. I'm not a hoarder, but I have a hard time. Like, I don't really realize that it's time to throw stuff out sometimes. I throw it away. It's been and it's gone. I'm the type of person where I think that everything has some sort of utility, if not now, but in the future. So it's always good to have stuff around.

I might need this, yeah. Drill bits. Signs. Have you seen signs? Have you seen signs? Yeah. A little girl just keeping. half drinking water around

just in case you've never seen signs billy I've read the Wikipedia plot I've done that with a lot of movies it's just more efficient instead of seeing the movies yeah just read well also I just read spark notes instead of reading like tale of two cities yeah

now you got to see the well you don't actually oh speaking of movies dude I saw a sick movie over the weekend the Northman it's awesome You guys have to see it. I'm not saying any movie, any you motherfuckers suggest. Okay. But this is like, like, it's...

No, until y'all see my movies. I read the... I saw your movie. You guys let me for months, though, man. I saw your movie, though. I all due respect, I like Ready Player One. I think it's a good movie. That's a great movie.

I get people to tweet me all the time, like, I watched it because of you, man. Some dude said this movie sucks. Like, fuck that guy. I don't think you can say that movie sucks. How could you say that? It's unreal. That's just such an amazing... Everybody said a book.

is better. I might actually read the book because they said the book is better. Oh, I didn't even know it was a book. Yeah, it was a book first. The Wikipedia was sick. Did you Wikipedia? Yeah. I like that. That's how Billy, like, he'll see the list of like the Oscar nominees every year. You'd be like, okay, I'll go watch these and I'll just read the Wikipedia summary.

That movie sucked. That movie was good. So what's your metric for good or bad movies if you read Wikipedia? For example, like I got into, I was in like rabbit holes about M. Shama. Shama movies and I just like read all the plot twists and I was like whoa these are awesome I was like wow it's crazy

yeah it's pretty cool so you read a paragraph of the plot twist instead of watching it out yeah because then he was dead throughout the entire Wikipedia article but then I'll like they were dressing up as the monsters like I'll read but like I'll then I honestly feel like I sometimes know the movie better than people who just see it You don't.

I read all the background, like, like read into that. Oh, my God. So, for example, like, this is funny, though, on many levels. This is Billy's mindset in a nutshell. He'll read, like, the biggest summary of things and think that he's an expert. No, but I know you saw the movie, but I actually know it a little better than you. No, because, like, for example, there's that one, the man in the tower. Do you know that series?

It's like a, it's a historical fiction where the Nazis one World War. two and you're reading it and there's like so many plot things that you don't pick up in the series but if you like read a bunch of the synopsuses that is true sometimes i'll find that if i watch like an episode of the sopranos and then i find myself later like reading an entry on that episode there's stuff that i did not catch as i was watching it damn there's your there's your w i still watch the episode though i don't just read it so something to consider i don't want to tell you how to live your life but just think about it yeah um would you guys say that reality tv like why do we why do we love reality tv i think it's because it's like makes you feel better

about yourself yeah exactly yeah i'm not crazy like them look at these psychos i in a way it's like it's like to talk shit about people but it's not like i'm better than you it's just i watch it to just trash people it's just my way because i'm i'm generally a nice human being it's just my it's my it's my Vice. Yeah. I just watching it like, what a piece of shit. Like, I just, and that's it. I don't actually think that of them.

But like, while I'm watching it, we just trash them. That's what we do. Yeah. And I love it. I love the drama. I love it. And I never was like this until the pandemic. I think that's kind of the same thing with politics recently where it's like, well,

the other side, like, they're just awful human beings or whatever, whatever. Some of them are, though. I got into, uh, I got into love is blind. And I watched season two of that. Oh, I love that show. There's some real villains. this one. That's so, absolutely. Some real weirdos. Absolutely. I love

it though. It's like such a- Shake. Shake. Shake. That dude is hilarious. I got brunch at Nabu tomorrow, so I'm good. He wasn't wrong on some of the stuff he was saying, though. You just can't say that in front of the cameras. Yeah, you can't say that stuff. Because what he's basically saying is like, I have a standard. Like, there's nothing wrong with having

standards. It's shallow, but that's your standard. What do you say? But he was saying it in very bad ways, though. It's always funny because they always were free, they make sure to call the reality show like an experiment this is a psychological experiment like when you see the the people introducing their parents to the people that they met when they're in those like little what did they call them bad they always say like back in the rooms or whatever the pot is it pot yeah

back in the pods yeah it was like yeah we were participating in an experiment they're like no you're just you're on a reality TV show and one thing I don't think I realized until I was probably like 21 was the trick to all these reality TV shows or they just get them drunk all the time So the real world, they're just hammered They're not allowed to have TVs Because nobody wants to watch A show about people sitting around Watching TVs in their home

So they just... I never thought about that Yeah, they never watch TV They don't watch the news What's that? Billy just a light bulb went on for Billy No, I just remember this one reality TV show Called Flora Bama Shore Which was supposed to, I actually got It was like a it scratched the itch

That Jersey Shore caused But it was supposed to be basically like a southern Jersey Shore I don't know if it really got off the ground Is it still going? Yeah, a couple of seasons. I don't think it's still going. It was really, but like also everyone, like so many of the dudes on reality TV shows are juiced up. And I think they do that on purpose to get them to like roid rage on camera.

Yeah, they're looking. The producers are always looking for the most combustible personalities. Yeah. And if you keep them drunk and you get like some real hotheads, then that's when you get the actual drama. Like when the situation head butted a wall instead of fighting Ronnie in Italy. Yeah. Then he was rolling around in a neck brace See, I need to watch this

Wait, that was season two though, right? No, that was when they went to Italy Yeah, so that's not season one Or two It's like season four, I think Okay, so I need to watch If I had to watch a season of Jersey Shore I watched season one

What's the premise? They just get faded and go out? It was even before the real world, right? No, no Real world was like early 90s. I remember high tech or tech That was a great season That probably jumped off reality TV, honestly.

That was in Hawaii, right? It was tech, Rosie. Rosie was a mess. It was just drama-filled. Yeah, the trick is they just get them drunk all the time. What's your... Temptation Islands of Fire One, too. Really?

I love the premise, yeah. You never seen Temptation? I never watched Temptation. Well, I envy that because I'm waiting for another season. Is that the early one and the new one? Is that the same thing as like too hot to handle? No, no, too hard to handle is not the same. Temptation Island is like, so you go there as a couple.

you go there as a couple and you're figuring out their relationship and um you have one you end up splitting up on on two separate islands and the guys go on an island with that's filled with girls like single women that just trying to seduce you and same with the other side and then you have like you know the ceremonies and stuff where you can see videos of what the other person is doing and then you can leave them a message back and forth and it gets really nasty it gets really it gets really well and that's really is I would say it is a reality TV show but that is actually is it a social experiment. Yeah, well, I just don't know why you would ever go on that if you were a couple.

No, that's the stupidest shit in the world you could do. That's like the new one, the ultimatum. Have you seen that? Yeah. No. I love it. So couples go that are kind of unsure. Like one person is like, oh, we need to get married and the other person's like,

I'm not ready, yada, yada, yada. And then it's all of these couples, they go and they're all in the same boat and they're all just put in this like house together. Yeah. And they can all just like fuck each other basically. But the weird, the weird shit about that is like, so imagine eight couples. or 10 or whatever and they all kind of just swap spouses like yeah it's like all your swapping partners yeah and then it's like oh wait maybe I'm actually meant for this person it's

really weird why would you ever go on a show like that the dumb shit in the way would you ever take your significant other down to that the dumbish do you think you get paid to do shows like that yeah yeah yeah you get you get a check for it um the one show that I'm thinking of that's become like more of a recent thing that kind of goes against all this that we're talking about of how you watch it because there's villains and people that you like to be like, oh, they're such a piece of shit is, what is it, the Great British Baking Show? You guys, do you watch that? I love the Great British Baking Show.

So it's like a really positive show, right? Best vibes. Best vibes ever. And they're all fucking British. I love that show. That was like my college binge. Oh, I, yeah, I forgot about that. What is it about that show that makes people love it so much?

So all of the judges are actually not like assholes to the, the people. So it's like a warm hug always and they're British. I don't know if they have the same like pull to it in Britain as I do. But and all of the people are looking out for each other. Like there's people like if you're competing against Billy, for example, like I want Billy to do just as well as I want me to do well. Like there's a less like cut throat vibe to it and it's like we're all just making cake. We're all having fun. Biscuits. We're in a tent. There's in a tent like that's like they're outdoors they're in a field somewhere like it is it is like my kind of reality oh it is a warm hug i want the drama oh it's but there's like yeah

there's no drama and then they're just making like beautiful treats but the other things that they're british treats so you don't really know what the don't you don't really know what the treats are sometimes yeah the allure yeah it's like oh what is that like weird jelly-filled cake you're making i don't know there's a new genre on netflix um called bullshit with hallie mendale I guess, have I seen that one? No. That one's fire. It's like, it's a, it's actually, it's actually far.

I binged it this weekend with my, with my kids, my kids loved it. So one person goes up and it's against three people and they ask you like a trivia question and you answer it and only you know if it's right or wrong. But the three people, they don't know if you're telling truth now. You're like, okay, it's C because blah, blah, blah. And they have to tell you if you're bullshit or not. And if one person says that they agree with you, you can move on even if you got the answer right.

But if you get the answer right, you move on. anyway but they're like questions like nobody knows the answer to and so uh yeah and it's and the incentive is if the more accurate you are with the if they're bullshit or not then you get to go up okay and you and it's it's like a tier system almost like um so it's you start at ten thousand dollars and you go to 75 or 50 or whatever and it's all the way up to a million and there's like i think what i'm gonna spoil it but yeah it's really it's really dope i like i like competitions we're lying is like a very integral part of it we have a guy here at this company Tommy smokes who's obsessed with Survivor, like completely obsessed with it and the gamesmanship and like all that

shit. Has he been on it? He has not been on Survivor, but we did our own version of Survivor here and he won. And everybody knew going into it like Tommy is going to be the guy that's going to lie to you. He's going to be a real piece of shit. Don't trust anything that he says, but he was still able to manipulate everybody into voting for him. That's great. When he needed it to happen. Yeah. People that get really into Survivor, it's like a, it's a huge like. Yeah. It's a thing. They get obsessed with the show you've seen the profit I've not seen the profits fire to it's almost like uh John Taffer he'll go I think he's a little more involved in the business though like he'll go and he'll go to struggling businesses and he'll tell them what's wrong with all the operations

and he'll say that they're going to invest into it invest into it for a certain amount of the ownership and uh and he like flips the businesses it's really it's actually really who's the guy from that I feel like we do we talk to the guy from the profit and sounds very familiar um Let's see. I don't know. The Prophet. One of my favorite reality TV shows while we're waiting.

Elite 11. Great show. Trent Diver. Marcus Le Moynes. Marcos LeMondis. Yeah, you go. That guy. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, I know that guy. Right. It's a really dope show. I like that one. That's a lot of good business advice in there as well. If you're looking for a nice little binge watch. The profit. I'll check it out. Do we have any other reality TV topics we want to get into?

Have you guys seen the one? I'm bling on the name of it. I have a video. Hold on. But it's the show where, oh shit, I can't believe I can't remember the name. But there's a person who's the contestant and their family is sitting with them. But they'll ask them subjective questions about themselves. and it's up against a lie detector test so the person took a lie detector test

and they'll be like okay you know did you have a bachelor's degree or you know dumb questions like that and then they increasingly get harder and they pick the most trash human beings in the world and it'll be like their husband is sitting right there and it's like do you think you and your ex-boyfriend

were meant to be together oh shit and it'll be like uh no and then it's like the lie detector's like like er like lie and then they'll bring out the ex-boy boyfriend and then it's like have you had sexual relations with this person since you've been married and then they find out they've been cheating on their husband like on the show what is this one called i got to fight i'm gonna i have to find it like um oh i can't believe it a good rule of thumb is

if you're in a stable relationship with anybody never go on a reality show ever or if you've done if you've done shit like this don't go on this show but it's like the lie detector but it's like the lie they probably asked them before they got on the show to Would you cheat on their husband? Is it this, is it called lie detector? It might be. I remember cheaters? Cheaters.

Cheaters was goaded. So that's one that we can get into a little bit because there was, there was a stabbing. Wait, what's the show? Wait, what's the show? So you don't know cheaters? Cheaters was with a guy, I think his name was Joey Greco, right? I don't know. He was the host of the show and people would contact him because they're like, hey, I think

that my significant other is cheating on me. And then he would set up like behind the scene stings. and then he would take the person that was being cheated on and they would like hide out in a van and they'd stalk the person that was cheating and then they'd confront the cheater while they were with with the person

they were cheating with it. So it's like it was the ultimate confrontation and there was a stabbing. I think Joey Greco himself got stabbed. Matter of fact, I do remember this now. When he was confronting somebody looking it up right now.

That show was though so they did a whole bunch of recon on it so like they would set up like it was basically like PI investigation. And so they would take shots, candid footage of them going out to dinner or leaving and going from an apartment

or something like that. And then they were like, okay, we have enough. He's definitely cheating. Do you want to confront him? And they'd be like, yeah. So one of the show's best moments occurred on an episode 2003. One of the show's best moments. I think you'd have to, if you're going to go that far and be like this was one of the best moment, just say it's the best moment. No question. Either to say it's the best moment or the worst moment. It's not like, it's definitely

top. It was an episode in 2003 when a woman contacted cheaters about her boyfriend and his alleged cheating and led to cheaters investigators, eventually finding homeboy frolicking with his mistress in a boat off some random dock. In the scene you see above, the episode climaxed with a violent altercation between the wiry cheater Mitchell of a boyfriend and the show's second host, Joey Greco. Joey ended up getting stabbed in the ordeal with all kinds of security and crew members trying to restore some order. the boyfriend was seen subdued while Greco lay on the boat bleeding out from his stomach. So, all right, not to take, not to defend the guy that stabbed Joey Greco, but if you're in a, if you're in a boat and you're fucking and somebody barges in the door, I feel like you can stab that guy, right? It depends. Like, I've never known him on that show from me watching it that he like is real, um, busting down doors.

It's usually they wait for them to come out kind of deal. Right. So I don't, I mean, I, if there's a stranger that just gets on your boat, if it's like, what's this person doing on my boat? I can stab you. If that is the case, then I agree with the stabber. But the majority of altercations I've seen buddy get in was they were always like waited for them to come outside of the restaurant or something like that.

International waters. Anything goes. Wait, wait, wait. Inside Edition reported that the entire story was stated. A woman by the name of Cassandra Tarazas said she was paid $350 to portray the other woman and that the entire ordeal was filmed on a dock owned by a cheater's producer. Well, it looked like Mitchell was being taken away by the police after stabbing Greco. There was reportedly no evidence of any arrests for that ordeal during this time.

It was cat, bro. And was said to have been filmed. The ambulance was rented. Greco was using fake blood and the entire thing was allegedly scripted. That's disappointing. Huh That's discipline That's bullshit

Yeah I'm kind of hot at that angle By the way speaking of stabbings Our co-worker Glennie Balls Is bringing like Legit stabbers into the office What happened His only fans podcast Turns out there's like three only fans

Models who have stabbed people And they're still functioning And it's like I don't understand why all these women are stabbing people I think we should be using the word allegedly Yeah heavily No the stabbing happened it's just was it self-defense or

who is this look it up there's like three of them i need to know who it is to look up only fan stabbing there's like tons i think that's like a a kanker fetish type thing i don't understand why people stab like it's like a pain

if you're in a situation like is your first like people who's first like thought is to stab someone as an act of violence is crazy I'd rather get shot but like would you ever stab somebody would I like I don't have a tool but yeah if I had it and I was in danger yeah but like when your stat like do you think like I'm gonna stab somebody probably I just can't wrap my head around stabbing someone I can wrap my head around punching something but not stabbing someone it's just like punching somebody but with a knife but like you have to think that out it's not like a moment you like think there's the knife I agree up the knife nobody thinks I agree with Billy that I'm anti stab under most or but if it's it's a moment you like to think there's the knife I agree with Billy that I'm anti stab under most or but if it's like self-defense then you have to do it right i'm i'm i'm i don't understand your are you saying

there's too much thought that's involved as like as like some of these crimes are crimes of passion which occur due to impulse but like for impulsive acts of violence going to the kitchen finding a knife and stabbing someone is too calculated for me to understand how someone could go through with that how is that different than like grabbing a gun and shooting someone well Usually you have the gun on you most of these occurred with non-combat knives What if they have a gun or a knife on them or it's by them? I just I can't even I just think stabbing so personal It's definitely more personal rather a shot. I agreed

Agreed shoot me anytime just don't stab me got a few that's got to be so painful Yeah, I definitely don't want to be stalled. Gunshots are sterile the the bullets are so hot it caught It neverizes the wound when it gets into you. Then why do you bleed out? Because... Puncture. Punctures the skin. Because...

Wait. It has to do with the internal bleeding of stuff that gets cut. It punctures. Yeah. All right. Anything else we want to cover in reality TV? I can't believe I forgot about the stabbing. I'm kind of disillusioned now that that whole thing may have been fake.

My childhood is a lie. Hmm. All right. You guys want to do some voicemails? Yes. A lot of that shit was staged though I'm sure a lot of it is But a stabbing is like

That's a lot Whoever came up with that idea I expected better from Joey Grecker Wait give me two seconds Imagine Having to act stabbed No I'm gonna

I'm gonna do some more research onto this You know did you see I generally don't think Trevor knows funny. Like, it's just, it's, it's, he's kind of dry to me. But did you see his joke about Ron DeSantis? No, what you said? At the White House, um, uh, correspondent's dinner. It was funny. He was, he was, he's basically, I'm gonna butcher it, but he was, he was basically saying how, um, I see you trying to be like Trump. I see you. He's like, I see you, man. And he goes, uh, he said, uh, you ban all the math books so that they, they can't count the votes. I see.

It was, it was good how he said it up. It was good. It was funny. I usually don't think he's funny. That was funny. Ready? Yeah. Hey guys, this is Gavin from Rockford, Illinois. My question to you guys was, if you could pick one item to know how many there were that item in the world, what would it be? I might have phrased that bad. Like, for example, I would love to know how many buried treasure chests there are in the

world, just the number of them. So, yeah, if you guys had anything like that, I love the show, area mad. you're gorgeous everyone else y'all are handsome love you I love you too shout out to that guy that's a good question I've thought about that before buried treasure did people used to straight up buried treasure or is that just something that like comic

cartoons have taught us and blackbeards is still in New Jersey no one's found it how do you know I don't how do you know he had buried treasure though why would they bury their treasure black beard was big in New Jersey let me

but why would a pirate bury their treasure Because they couldn't put it in a bank. I guess not. But why wouldn't they just carry it? And then why would they make a map? I do. I like the idea of finding a map and then going and discover to bury treasure. I just don't know how frequently it happens.

I did that with my kids. It was really dope. So I created like little, I hid things all over the house. There was like eight different things. And the last thing, or there were maps. So I hit eight different things. And each map led to another map. and the last map

we actually bought a toy treasure chest and had a whole bunch of fake gold coins but I had candy and shit like that it was one of the funest things that were done that's cool that's cool there's this thing that people do

I forget the name of it it's like an entire online community where they go out to like specific coordinates and people leave behind like little trashing yeah geocashing yeah people leave behind

like specific like little trinkets for people to find and then you have to go search by the longitude and the latitude of it it's kind of like it's like looking for buried treasure.

Oh, there was that millionaire, billionaire who hid treasure in Colorado that people are still trying to find. That's true. Yeah. So there is, that's a true story. There's a guy that left a shitload of money out and he left like little clues behind in some of the notes that he left and people have been looking for it for a while. Oh, discovery of forest fend's chest of gold leaves treasure hunters demanding answers.

Huh. It was found. The Denver Post. What was in it? um let me pull it up uh so he hit it he gave it geolocations mariam de fronzo learned forest fence treasure had been found there's so many freaking pop-ups i kind of want to hide some treasure at some point um while she was in a texas hotel room god damn it i wonder if we could do that with uh could you do like an internet treasure hunt we should just go put something somewhere in new york right now it's where

where it's there's no ground let's hide like some treasure somewhere like in central park or something i'll find a place okay it's it's what they call this the concrete jungle where you're going bury it yeah we don't have to bury it we could central park scary though ain't it no no uh just just just in the grove what's scary about it i don't know i heard like a lot of shit go down over there i actually don't actually am i who knows what happened after the pandemic so there used to be like tons of crimes of taking place in central park That's what I heard. I'm sure.

I mean, it's a huge area but like for the most part it's a part. There was a lot of... I might bury some treasure at the Jersey Shore this summer. You know what I used to do?

It's saying quite treasure but I get low key. Like kids from like 100 years ago would like write letters and they would bury them in the ground or what a capsules. I've always thought

that it'd be very funny to make like a fake time capsule and have somebody discovered 500 years from now and it's just like me fucking with them the entire time. I think my idea was like record like the national

like the NFL Super Bowls are just all Washington commanders like a dynasty in the 2000s so 500 years from now people would be like wow that was a really important football team they were just all class what was his question if you could know how many

there were of any one thing in the world well that's zero I can tell you that confidently you don't know if there's a time machine I'm on Big T-side I feel like we would have heard about it Yeah

What about like Sasquatch True How many Sasquatch is Us Well I would like to know if there's like anything In the ocean Of interest

I'm sure there is But like some shit that would like Shake our understanding Of like either biology or geology or something like that Like underwater civilization Yeah something like that That's not like the question though But if there was something.

He's one of anything. No, it's how many of something that you already know exists. Oh, he didn't say already know. Well, but that's understood. No, it wasn't. How many of something? No, he didn't say that. That was the question.

Like how many wheels and doors? That's my answer. I'm picking two. I want wheels and doors to show people how many more wheels there are. Do you think there's more wheels? Oh, infinitely. By a large number. Why you say that?

Factories. Every hotel room. that you go in that has two doors and it has a chair with four wheels like there's so many more wheels it's crazy but a lot of the things with wheels have doors cars cars that have four doors have four wheels

and that's not even including like little machinery in it that probably has wheels in it and then bikes have wheels too but what about the glove compartment that's not a door you know how I know people I've said this on this podcast before but the people are like well if you count caskets as a door

like then you're just you're admitting that you lost because you know there's not enough doors wheels? Gears? Gears, yeah, because that's what usually are in the... I wouldn't count that there's a wheel, no. Well, then that goes against a lot of your factory.

I agree with Big T. I mean, even in this room, like, there's one door and there's maybe 15, 16 wheels. Oh, brother, look at all these things. Three, three, three. Every bike in the world? Yeah, all the bikes. I think the bikes is actually

tips over the scale for me. In China, all the bikes over there. Europe, too. They have, like, very strategic and grand parking systems for bikes. I'm shocked that more people don't get run over by bikes in the Netherlands. It's like everywhere you walk, you have to be on the lookout for these people. What's the argument for doors? I'm thinking about it.

It's not even a blowout. I was just arguing it. No, I'm not talking about you. I'm just in general. I've heard the argument before. Are there more wheels or more doors? But, like, what's a good argument for more doors? I've heard people say hotels are like, think about how many hotels.

In every hotel, there's a chair on it with four wheels. it's true and there's probably way more chairs than there are doors i don't i don't it's a blowout chairs versus doors would be way closer than wheels think about movie theaters yeah stadiums what about what about them for for which one chairs oh i would like to know how many children of bill clinton there are there's got to be actually zero it's got to be double digits have you seen that black dude that said

he builds son yeah yeah that guy that dude funny his head I love that guy dude a lot of people say Bill Clinton's infertile is zero kids who says that what about Hillary

or I mean Chelsea they don't think that's his I would like to know how many cues there are cubes Q the guy Q I want to know if he exists

I think they're... Oh, Q. I thought you're talking about Q tips. Nah, a Q guy. He's fucking funny to me. There's probably 100 Q's. That's what I'm saying. How many Qs are there?

You watched the documentary on HBO. I think it was on HBO where they followed the guys from 4chan for years and years and years and years and like kind of dove deep into figuring out what was going to all of this. I'm going to watch this. I'm trying to remember what the name it was. I watched it like a year ago. Is it a Q documentary? Yeah. It's really it's almost certainly the guys that ran 4chan that were behind it the entire time.

Like they've been able to track them down. It said, oh shit, and I don't forget the guy's name. The guy that wore the cowboy hat after the election and went on TV and was like, yeah, this machine clearly got hacked into because he read the owner's manual for the machine. And he was like, yeah, I understand how this works. Fuck, what was that guy's name? Are you talking about the sheriff? No, no, it's not Sheriff Joe. I'm talking about the guy from Fortune.

I'm going to have to look up his name. I want to say it's Ron. Ron Watkins is what I'm thinking it might be. but yeah him and his dad were almost certainly behind it like they basically proved it yeah it was Ron Watkins

That's fire I'm gonna check the down Now he runs 8 Coon And his dad Jim 8 Chan 8Coon He runs 8 Coon He goes by Code Monkey Z

I shot an article About a monkey that was being given meth Over the weekend We're giving monkeys meth now Yeah Why Well, some guy in Thailand Was just feeding his monkey meth

But honestly, probably not the biggest You know, meth giving monkeys operation That's how they started Adderall Really? By testing Yeah, they gave the monkeys meth Do you want? And you're for that though, right?

Meth No, no, animal testing I mean, no, with that was We were talking about that In the scheme of Experimental Medicine on people who are terminally ill Do you want to apologize to Thailand.

Yes. You guys aren't all pedophiles. I'm sorry. Billy got that one wrong. No, that's not the quote. I said that, yeah, I don't know. No, that is the quote. You guys aren't all pedophiles.

I'm sorry. Because Billy was struggling to think of a reason why anybody would go to Thailand unless they were a pedophile, which there's lots of reasons. Lots of reasons. There's a lot of reasons. I just learned about a lot of Thailand's tourism industry.

Yeah. Good stuff. out over there. Yeah. It's a beautiful place. Allegedly. Big T. Have you been playing your Worldol recently?

Yeah. It's been too easy for the last few days. I fucked up yesterday. My girlfriend got today's on the first guess. Yeah. Not Wordle. Not Wordle. Worldle.

Oh, what's worldle? It gives you the outline of a country and you have to guess what country it is. So if you guess, if it's Boat Swana and you guess Nigeria, like if you're in the same continent, it'll tell you. how far you are away in, like, what direction? There's a dope one that my daughter put me on. Oh, geo-guessor? Global.

It's global. And so it's like you'll just say any country, you type any country in, and then it highlights the country, and depending on what color it is, like, the darker it is, the closer you are to the country that's trying to get you to guess. And so it's like you whittle it down. It's really good for like just kind of geography

if you don't know the country. It's really dope. Did you see there's an NFL players one now? Yeah, Weddle. That one's so hard. Eric Weddle. Yeah, it's called Weddle. That's funny.

And I think it's every player with like, what, five letters? W-E-D-D-L-S, I guess it's six? No, you just guess, you just guess starting players. And it'll be like all of their stats of like the division they're in, their height, their weight, their age, like all that. And then you have to like get, I was. My brain short-circuited trying to figure out what, how to do it. And then Thursdays was AJ Brown, and then later that day, boom, traded. Traded.

I'd be shit at that. We got another voicemail? Yep, one more. What's the number for the voicemails? If anybody wants to call in? 347-560-0401. It's in the Twitter header. Hit it up.

I listen to them every Monday morning. Hey, Macroidosians. This is a Chad from Chicago. I have a question specifically for Arian. So I finally got around to watching Ready Player 1, and I thought it was a pretty good movie, but I couldn't help but feel like it was just a big commercial. And I know that 80s references and Easter eggs are inherently part of the story, but the references to Warner Bros. movies and other movies available on HBO Max just felt way over top. like they completely change the first Easter egg from the book into a race in which they show off

a T-Rex from Jurassic Park and King Kong. And the second Easter egg, they have to go through the hotel from the Shining. And the big battle is they have to fight Godzilla. All of these were added to the film and conveniently show off movies that you can watch on HBO Max. So it's pretty clear to me that when Border Brothers purchased the rights to the book, it's not because they enjoyed the story. They viewed it as a way to advertise other films on their streaming service. So with this being one of your favorite movies, Arian, and as a leftist, can we enjoy and consume art outside of capitalism or is capitalism inherently tied to all art that is consumed and created?

If you do think it is the latter as anti-capitalists, how do we navigate this? I'm excited to hear your take of the pod. See ya. this was a complex one that's a great question though I didn't know see I haven't read the book so I can see why so I think I've said on this

podcast I read this series called the Sithe so it's three book series and they're talking about making it into a movie and I'm kind of just reading the lore behind it and how they want to change things and I can see how that could be frustrating and so I didn't know that

those things were changed from Ready Player 1 so I was just looking at it from oh this is a dope visual wasn't looking at it from the perspective of they changed it not only did they changed it they changed it to you know add value to their parent company right so and it makes sense I can see why you can be frustrated about that um but to answer your question which I think is a great question I go back and forth with this right because if you look at like some like a company like Spotify who is kind of like the hoarder of musicians right they take they pay their artists very

little, even though the artists are the commodity there. They actually talked about incentivizing people to be a part of the algorithms, to drive traffic towards their page, the more music you put on there. And so for a struggling artist, like, it's not about I'm making art to, you know, feed the world with my perspective, my point of view, you're making art to eat. And so it dilutes your product in a sense. And I think that's my issue right now when you have any kind of capitalistic virtue around art. I'm not a fan of it. I think the art should be subsidized because I think if you look at any ex-civilization that have been torn down, there's two things

that we keep from it or that we learn from it. You know, it's like there's, well, there's a couple things, but the main thing are their science and their art and their culture, right? And so it should be preserved. And I think that when money is involved, it always dilutes it. It's the reason why, to me, music now is demonstrably less quality. It's because it's easily accessible to everybody and the people who consume it. And so, like, the composition isn't as, I would say, in depth or as musical as it was once. And that's me coming from, like, my favorite era of music is like the 60s and 70s. That's not even my era.

My era kind of helped dilute it. And so I think, yes, to answer his question, which is a great question, well, they shout out to buddy. I think it dilutes it. And I think the only way that the counteract that I think is to do it because you love it. Don't do it because you have to, if you're able to. Counterpoint. Oh, of course. Let's go back to Renaissance Florence, some of the greatest secular.

creations of all time what sponsored this creation of art the Medici the first well-known patrons of the modern world they were a large banking family that paid people like Michelangelo Da Vinci and all sorts of cats to create some of the

greatest art we've ever seen that's to my point they were being subsidized yeah but are you saying subsidized in a government sense anyway if we crowdsource and fund artists like because what you're saying is is some of the best art we've known right was funded so they didn't have to worry about eating food they could just create they didn't have to worry about making their art marketable to a certain demographic or a certain subsection that could ensure that they would get paid for that art and so if you look at like Instagram for an instance right Instagram is a horrible app that everybody's on including myself but it it's algorithmically designed to uh uh incentivize volume so the more you put on there the more that your followers see of you right rather than just having it chronologically and that is it's it forces artists to to to placate to that uh algorithm rather than just

making what inspires them right and and to me that's just a dangerous way now now now i have to be a business manager as an artist I have to be a marketer I have to be you know yep it is which a lot of people can't it's a lot of different hats to wear and so it's just it dilutes the art in my opinion I think I think it's just kind of like a necessary evil of where we're at right like music is not as complex as it used to be it's not as interesting it's become more formulaic like if somebody can figure out how to write a song that perfectly hits all these formulas yeah then they know that they've got themselves a hit and that takes skill to too, though, like not to diminish that skill because making something that's like mass massively

popular. Yeah, and I don't want to sound like the old cat screaming at the clouds where it's like I don't enjoy music now. They're great music being put out right now. But I just think demonstrably like the quality is diluted a little bit because I can sit here and compose and make a beat on a laptop that can sell, right? And I don't knock that it. I'm off of anybody getting money in this economy, do your thing. But I just think if if you had to do that with Benny the butcher at the That's facts, yeah, yeah. Me and Aaron wrote that beat because we're like, hey, we need something that's going to sell. That's facts.

And we made a slap. And we made it slap. That's right. I made a slap. Yeah, that's a great fucking course. Shadow was his name? You remember his name? It's not important.

It is important. You're important, my guy. I understand the nature of his question. Jack from Chicago. Hey, if I'm ever in Chicago, man, I'm going to tweet it out. You're going to give me deep, this piece in. I'm going to holl at you, though. I'll have a beer.

That's a great question. question. I understand the nature behind the question. I've just reached the point where sometimes I just like have to turn my brain off and just like enjoy the things for what it is. A thousand percent. And then you can think about it later and like have that conversation. So I watch reality TV. Yeah, exactly. Like I can I can watch Ready Player 1 and I can still be like, oh, that's cool. I recognize that character for another movie. Yeah. I would have that I get that dumb brain thing where I'm like, oh wow, that's the thing that I saw earlier on television. Yeah, I don't think I would ever look at it like, this is HBO trying to say. That's a little deep for me.

Steve, but I understand his point. It's a fair question, do you ask. I agree. So that's the end of the voicemails for this week. Yorpe. All right. Hit us up. I like that Europe.

Thanks. That was a good year. It was a birthday year. My man. Hey, shout out to Amy. Swoop. Swooped your boy at 11 o'clock, man. I appreciate you, cousin.

We roll out the red carpet for our people. Pick me up in a nice little junk, too, man. I thought he was about to step out. Let's go. What'd you pick him up in? A Cadillac. It was nice, though. Oh, very nice.

It was nice. Yeah. Very nice. Yeah, that's the red carpet treatment, door-to-door service. Absolutely. We're going to go over to the Braves game. I almost call it the Mets game. It's the Braves game tonight.

Thank you. I'm going to bet on the Braves for you, big team. Why don't people in New York hate the Mets, bro? What is this shit? It's like a, I don't know. It depends on where you're born, I feel like. I think, like, a lot more Long Island likes the Mets. And, like, if you're more like New Jersey or closer to New Jersey, you like the Yankees.

Gotcha. It's really an L.I. long island railway versus the metro north that's what it is so it's your Mets Jets geographical and islanders typically right yeah there's the three that go together and then there's Giants Yankees and Rangers right those are the fans but I'm I'm a Jets Yankees fan which is weird that happens yeah that happens yeah I want to say I want to thank game time again our seats for tonight are awesome I can't worry they are You're getting so late.

Yeah, I looked them up. I'm getting Oceans episodes. All right, so you're listening to this tomorrow. Big T, give me a can't lose bet tonight that I'm going to. I was actually looking at bets earlier for to go. Let's bet something. Let's do it as a podcast. I love no runs in the first inning, but it's minus 160.

Who's pitcher tonight? Max Fried and Chris Bassett. I have no idea. I have what's going on at a baseball game. But if you want one that's like, I do like Ronald Acunae came back on. Thursday and hasn't Homer yet he's plus 440 I kind of like that oh I might do that yeah yeah I might jump on that with you

even though they did win the World Series with Adam true do they really need them on the team I don't know it's funny like Mets fans I feel like when I'm talking about my love love hate relationship with the commanders there's a lot of that with Mets fans they hated their owner for so long because he was just botching the team and now they're like rejuvenated because they got Steve Cullen running the show. I guess I understand that.

Because when I was growing up, I hated Al Davis. Yeah. I couldn't stand him. He's whoever's fast to be drafted. They're getting really high in my name. That was literally it. Yeah. You know what?

I hate the Mets because it's one thing having two different baseball teams in your city. But the Mets are literally just a rip-off Yankees. Their logo. There might be a high-take, though, right? But like, it's like... I don't know enough about the rivalry, but it sounds like a high-take. If you look at the Mets logo, it is the Yankees logo just a little bit different. in orange.

Yeah, it's not as, um, it's not as cool. I know, I know Jay-Z made that hat famous for me. Yeah. I like the, uh, I like the colors of the match, though. Orange and blue is an underrated color. Do you know why they're orange and blue? I don't. Because of the Dodgers and Giants, which both left New York and then they combined the orange

and the blue for the Mets. That's a fun fact. Yep. Did not know that. All right. Well, uh, catch us at the game tonight. We're going to bet on Ronald Acuna. And we are, are we betting on no runs of the first?

I mean, we can. it's just minus 160. What does minus 160 mean? You would have to bet $160 to win $100. I don't like that at all. Yeah. Right. That means it's more likely to happen.

Oh, okay. I get it now. Yeah. So what's not likely to happen? So like Ronald did a home run is plus 440. That means if you bet 100, you'd win 440. I'm down. I'm putting a bill on that.

All right. And who is this dude? What number is he? 13. All right. I'm rooting for care. He's electric. Let's parlay the nil runs with something.

I don't hate that Like maybe no runs with no You probably can't do no runs with no hits Or do with strikeouts No runs with strikeouts I don't know if you can parlay that We'll look into it We'll look into it's a whole not

A little parlay That's why I like the parlay I'm gonna put my best man on it Big T All right research We'll come up with some good ones Figure it out All right we will see you guys on

Thursday for nanodosing And then we'll see you next week For macro dosing And we may have just booked another big guest that Aryan's going to be coming back for in a couple weeks. Can't wait for that one. And he'll be back for the science fair. He'll be up in New York.

In fact, science, I'm going to be a Mets fan soon. There we go. All right, love you guys.