Macrodosing: Arian Foster and PFT Commenter - Senator Chris Murphy Breaks Down The Protect College Sports Act | Macrodosing - Sept 22, 2026

Episode Date: September 22, 2026

On today's Macrodosing Arian, PFT, Big T and Tbob are joined but Conneticutt Senator, Chris Murphy. They discuss the "Protect College Sports Act”, a bipartisan federal bill moving through the U.S. Senate that establishes a unified national framework for collegiate athletics, setting rules for NIL compensation, transfers, and antitrust exemptions for the NCAA. Plus, they get into the Savannah Bananas, AI and nukes, LSU vs. Ole Miss, Deshaun Watson and much more. Enjoy! (00:10:00) Savannah Bananas (00:19:52) LSU vs. Ole Miss (00:23:56) AI and China Nukes (00:40:44) Deshaun Watson (00:48:38) LSU vs. Ole Miss cont. (00:51:25) Senator Chris MurphyYou can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/macrodosing

Hey, Macradosing listeners. You can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon music. I do think it has some importance, given the national significance of college football. I'd love to see them work on something to maybe ban the Savannah bananas as well while we're doing that sort of thing. What is the Savannah bananas? Oh, Arian, what are the Savannah bananas? They are a genuine threat to national security, is what the Savannah bananas are.

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Macadocin. Nano dosing. It's a song. He was doing the song. I didn't hear what you did. I said, you said what's popping. I said brand new whip just hopped in. Damn.

Sports Center top 10. Who's that? Jack Harlow. He's kind of falling off recently. He hasn't heard from him in a while. He tried to do Neo Soul and the people won't buying it. That's what happened. Yeah. My favorite Jack Harlow video is him with the, I know nothing about her beyond this,

but him with the chicken chop date girl. Amelia. Yeah. Electric flirty energy in that clip. Sorry. That's all I got. I don't remember. I'm not a big Jack Harlow guy.

He had a moment. though. I'm sure he did. Yeah. I don't know. I can't speak to it. Amongst my community. He had a moment. I mean, she always had a song with Drake. That's actually one of my favorite Drake versus he slid on that bitch. I don't know what it's called, but it's the one where the video they, um, they, they're in a horse track.

They're in a horse track. Churchill Downs. Bad motherfucker there, though. Hey, that's the Drake. that's like, hey, he's a problem. I haven't heard that song. You haven't heard that song? No. If you like good rapping, which I'm not sure if you do, Big T.

I did back in my day. Yeah? 04 to 2018 is my rap era. If it's after 2018, I can't listen to it. 04 to 2018. So 04 that was 50 cent era. That was the beginning of 50 cent era. Sure.

He had a run. That was early Kanye. Yeah, I mean, that generational three-al album run. Yeah. Who? Low Wayne. Yep. Was like my old.

Wayne was peak like 08. That was Wayne's game. Absolutely. Absolutely. After Wayne. I mean, Outcast, speaker box came out. It was in high school. That would have like 0-6-0-7.

Yeah, I've listened to plenty of Alcash. You have some T-I in there. T-I had a run during Wayne. error. I would argue it's still Wayne's arrow, but T.I. had a... He just dropped a song. I went platinum. Who did it, Wayne? T.I. Oh, T.I.

That's impressive. What about, um, oh, Lil John, dude. I've, I've dabbled with Will John. Never, never, never a rapper. Never a rapper. Just a, you know, like a height. He's like a fat man scoop. He's like, uh, you know. So he's like a modern Flavent Flavent kind of? No, Flavreflavre. Rapped. He was in public game. Oh, I thought Flavent Flavent Flavent was always like, viewed as like the hype man for the group.

No, he rapped. I mean, I wouldn't consider him like a, you know, top tier, but like he's a rapper. So you don't, wait, but you get, but you don't give little John the, the, the, the rank of rapper? No. No. He's not rap. He's like a, like a hype man, you know what I mean? Like, he made crook music.

No, it doesn't diminish his contribution to hip hop. He was the crunk era. Don't get me wrong. Like, I'm not, like, you know, like, yo, you heard that little John verse? Nobody's ever said that in their lifetime. You never heard that you know, that's probably right. You know, Lil John, honorary VFL. Really?

Because we... There's an Atlanta guy. Well, we had a... I think he made the song, he had turned down for what. Yeah. And we made third down for what? And when we did that,

we would play it before third down. We had the number one third down defense in the country, and it was awesome. And then the song was named in a lawsuit against the University of Tennessee. I believe the wording was that it helped perpetuate rape culture. and it was then removed

but then they brought it back a couple years ago and the place went nuts they just sporadically they'll play it I think but T Bob you just sent me a YouTube link

and it's all letters dog like what the fuck I don't know I'm trying to I was trying to send you it came through on my side I don't know maybe it'll come through this is a shit like my parents would do no no look it looks good on my time

my dad sent me a gift My dad sent me a gif. And it was a link to the gif. No, we talked about my kick return on the last episode and then randomly I'm on YouTube and like, I guess I had talked about this years ago. Whatever. It just showed up my YouTube shorts. So I sent it to you to which or I sent it to PFT and Big T to send you to then Big T sent me a funny clip of the announcer trying to clown you for the philosophy degree. It was the same announcer.

Mike Patrick, I believe was his name. Did you ever open up that? philosophy store. Look at, look at how it came. Yeah, that's unfair. That's crazy. That's not how it's up my side. The number.

The numbers showed up, by the way. I got it. I got it. I did. Block that out. Yeah, we're good. We're good. Rollo rando macrodotions hitting up T. Bob,

middle of the night. Actually, if there was a single community in this entire company that I would want to hit me up in the middle of night, it would be the macro community. Wow. That's actually a very good compliment. Shout out. You know what?

Let's get a burner phone. And this is random texting calls. Do any wireless companies want to sponsor us and give us a phone? Technically, where the voicemails go, they can text us. I've been thinking about a reason. I've wanted to have a reason to get the fold phone anyway, the little foldy phone. Not the iPhone one, though. The real one from Samsung.

I've been looking for a reason. Well, whoa, wait, wait, because this could affect my life in a tremendous manner. You can't go green bubbles. Well, not his main phone. This is the macro phone. Oh, okay. He just wants an excuse to get it. Which is kind of on,

which is kind of on brand. You know what I mean? It is funny. I got a fantasy football chat and my sister's boyfriend got a green bubble and I'll be dogging it. I dogged him at every chance I can get it. I hate it though. It just ruins my day.

It's really genius psychological warfare by Apple. Yeah. Like top tier. Because if we're honest, as iPhone users and Apple product. buyers and consumers Android is killing iPhone on almost every aspect everything Yeah on the global scam

I keep hearing that I keep hearing that every time I see an Android Now I will say I saw a guy with a camera one time That was maugging me bad But like the interface looks stupid Like the the apps look like the if they could fix that That's just comfortability. You're just used to Apple's branding.

That's it. Like everything about like computers. Like I have a PC computer, right? So I'm fairly familiar with like some droid stuff. It's by far better, the better technology. Apple has the fallen phone because I think it was Samsung. Yeah, Samsung made it first. Samsung did it first.

And they've been doing it for years. And it's way better. And Apple realized that they, hey, let's just do. That's what bothers me about being an Apple. I know it's all bread like I know that they have better pop it's just my entire life is wrapped up in Apple like iPads laptops iPhones all my friends my life is wrapped up by Apple so it's like it's hard to break out of that ecosystem but the superior technology exists outside of Apple did I get did I get sentilled or did I see video that Apple on their newest phone it's a it's another new charger you got

sentel okay thank you Thank God. My bar. Keep you moving. The reason they're legally required in Europe to have the USB. I knew that. Which is why they went to that. Because they have actual consumer protections in Europe as opposed to America.

Yes. Talk that shit. I like that. It's universal. Yeah. I mean, USBC's been a great, great game changer instead of having to find whatever.

First Apple Chargers that like had the little prongs in it. 30 pin. Yep. Dog shit. Anyway, welcome back to macrodose, y'all. We have a good show for you today. We have a interview with Senator Chris Murphy. Chris Murphy, where we talk about the college football bill that they try to put.

They are very focused our legislative branch of our government in regulating these college athletes. very important topic for them to focus on during these times. I do think it has some importance given the national significance of college football. I'd love to see them work on something to maybe ban the Savannah bananas as well while we're on while we're doing that sort of thing. What is the Savannah bananas? Oh, Arian, what are the Savannah bananas? They are a genuine threat to national security is what the Savannah bananas are. They are a traveling troop.

of baseball playing, dancing, singing. It's a theater show that takes place on a baseball field. Now, to these guys credit, very talented. Like a lot of them played baseball in college and like some minor. It's like the Harlem Globetrotters of baseball. Yes. And they randomly break into song and they've changed all the rules of baseball. And here's the problem.

It's becoming too popular. And a lot of eight-year-olds now, they love the Savannah bananas. and then you take them to a real baseball game and they don't want to watch that because they're not breaking into song and dance and I think they have a real problem. I think we're going to have a problem on our hands in 15 years when kids don't want to watch baseball anymore

our national pastime and they've grown up on the Savannah bananas. For that reason, I would like potentially some intervention. In defense of the bananas, okay, they are designed completely for families, from the ground up. It's a brilliant business model. It's two hours, no matter what.

There's plenty of entertainment. Kids never get bored. It's perfectly made for the social media age, which I could not have read it more wrong at the beginning. Like, I thought in the internet age that we were done with Globetrotter type stuff. Like, we'd seen it all. And so, like, what worth would that have?

It's obviously, I mean, they're killing it. I do like that they actually play the game. Like, it's not scripted like a Globetrotter's game. Sure. You know? And there's some funny rules. like if you could catch a foul ball, it's out. How about this, the guy that started it

went into extreme debt to start it, right, T? I think he was like down to his last dollar. Yeah, like they had sold everything. They were sleeping on like a mattress in their garage. Now the bananas are worth, have an estimated valuation of around $500 million. That's nice. And if you're a banana,

you've played in front of larger live crowds than any MLB player. Yeah, they play. I want to go to one of these shows. I'm going to bring the Jits. It sounds like fun. They sold out Clemson. They sold out.

What are you hating? Big T. What are you hating? It's a brilliant business model. I'm happy for them that they've succeeded. I think they pose a threat to the future of baseball in this country. To T's point, it is, it is due to their success. It is infecting the youth.

Like, you look at Little League Baseball players nowadays, and it's all like arm sleeves and trick plays. Well, I think that was happening. in before the bananas. I mean, every... They're all, but... They're getting kind of Karen-esque a little. I remember one time I was playing

Little League basketball back in the day. And like, I was putting the ball between my legs. And I heard some mom in the crowd saying, hot doggard. That's what y'all sound like right now. I mean, and to be fair, I was like a chubby, extremely pale buzz cut, 13-year-old white kid that used to wear a headband

long socks, baggy shorts, AI shooting sleeve. I had it all. I had it all. Yeah, you grew up in a mixtape area. The air one mixed tape area. Oh my God. Did I?

Oh, yeah. Hot sauce. Skip to my Lou. Main event, future. Half man, half amazing. Shout out Escalade,

big guy. They are responsible for so many travels and carry calls in my youth but inspired a whole day. There was a point in time and this is why I don't think it'll be a problem for you,

Big T. There was a point in time. where N1 mixtape basketball were, them cats was like just as recognizable as the NBA cats. Like they were responsible for bringing that street style to the league to the NBA. Like it was like and one mixtape. And then like that was the rise of like, you know,

the baggy shorts, the street style of basketball play that almost every NBA player has now and across the world was inspired by cats on the park. Well, that is more basketball. than the Savannah bananas are baseball. Oh, I don't know. I don't know. 100%.

It got ridiculous. Like if you watch, so I would say mixtapes 1 through 3. Solid, legit street ball being played. I mean, a lot of, you know, carries and double them, say, like that. But then four through, I don't know how else they went through. It got real entertainment-esque, like, to what you're talking about, to where I kind of tune. I was like, this is kind of trash. Well, also, put the ball in there, a shirt and, you know, it's a lot.

But Rayfer Alston, that was Skipto-Mil, right? And he ended up making it at the NBA. His son right now is one of the top prospects in Texas. He cold. I remember as I remember a little, I was like a little kid and I was like, I mean, surely hot sauce could dominate the league if he played in the NBA. Because you know, little kid brain. No, no, little kid brain you don't understand that.

I'm watching mix. I'm like, I know hot sauce could do it. But Skiptoe Maloo did. Like Ray Rallston played for the heat. He was good. He hit game winning shots. So Ray for all, this is why he was always my favorite, right? Even before, like, he had his professional success.

He was doing at such a young age. Like, they had those tapes out a long time. And the N-1, like, kind of put them all together and put, you know, rap music behind it and market it. But he was, like, the most skilled of them all. Yeah. His skill set was just so insane, dog. And so much so it was like, you know, I think he got prop, what is he called it? called Prop 42, I believe, where like it kind of just don't worry about your high school grades

and at Fresno State in California. Like, if you just, you get Prop 42, then, like, you can go to college. I think they did that with him. And then he was just so skilled, dog. And, like, when you watch his, like, his NBA highlights, sometimes he gets a little too, like, oh, reel it back in. But he was, like, he's my top, top five ball handlers all time. that I've ever walked this planet easily.

Now, help me out here. I have some like vague memories of in my, okay, my little kid brain Kevin Garnett was like a, maybe a founder of the business or like a co-owner. Was he just like one of the first sponsored athletes? Because he used to have the AM1 shoes back in the day. Yeah, he was one of the first sponsors. Okay, like when he came out of high school,

they just jumped on KG. I don't, I don't know the details like that, but I know he was, he was, he was rep by them. Vince Carter, which really took him to another level. Vince Carter wore N-1s and his 2000 dunk content. The one like where he's doing a, you know, the unanimous like one of the best dunk contests of all time.

He went through the lights. Yeah. He was wearing those N-1 shoes. I don't know that he signed with him. But he definitely went and wore their shoes and that kind of blew him up. And then Nike, you know, seeing where the momentum was going,

then they had this whole streetball campaign. They did have, like, future in a couple, in a couple commercials or something like that. But, you know, Nike can't get out done. Once they got the ear to the street, see what's popping. We got to get in on that. That's when they did, like, the black and white, like music,

creating the, yeah, with the squeaks and the dribbling. It was cool. Kobe did that behind the back move. I used to do that all the time, where you take the ball up and over and then throw it between your legs from the back. Yep, and the Reebok sign, AI. And he was like, you know, he was the streets to us anyway.

So Reese Alston, Rayfer Alston's son, is known as Lil Skip. Oh, no. He's the number nine player in the country in the 2027 class. And Teabob, here are his top seven that he just released about a month ago. You already know. Wichita State, Louisville, Vanderbilt, Kentucky, Houston, LSU and Tennessee. Okay, let's go. A little Skip.

That's one person in my little fandom that I had, I never met that I wanted to meet with Skip. And show my love to him. I love Skip to my little dog. I did meet him when I was a kid. I went to the Venice showing them. They had that tour, right? I went to the Venice showing them. My only interaction with him was, you know, I was a kid.

And then I threw him a towel for him to sign. And it was like rough on the edges On one of the edges And he was like, I can't fucking sign these fucking towels And he just threw it back I was like, ah shit Almost got his almost got his out of graph I mean does he live in Houston

Because Reese Alston goes to Houston Second Baptist high school Uh oh yeah I think so he does Yeah I'm like so I'm knocking his door Hey I used to play for the Texans And I'm a fan of you I feel like y'all would run in the same circles At some point

I haven't played basketball And Well does he play golf or I don't know I don't think he played the golf I haven't heard of him I know pretty much almost every black golfer in Houston I don't think

I'm for real That's a small, that's a small little I believe it I believe it Group of guys But nah shout out to skip man Was a big fan of him

Was never mad In about the Tau thing I understood I was like I got it back of last shit It's hard to write on I got it Why has Wichita

stayed in there One of these is not like the others I would argue Vandy's not like the others too And LSUs Shockers baby I mean you know why LSU's on Yeah, I do. We'll wait.

Y'all got a wager on the LSU Tennessee game this year? Not yet. I have to dress up. We got to see how that's a ways off. I think Mad Dogg and McKenzie will appreciate this. I have to dress up like Heather McMahon on my show Thursday. I did see that, yes. Yeah.

I can't wait. I lost a... For the fans that don't know who Heather McMahon is, explained to them. She's a big-time comedian. We went to school together. But especially amongst females, she's like a massive female comedian. Like, women are obsessed. with her and she wears like cheetah print and yeah so I'm gonna have makeup and a wig and

now she's got her uh she's got her third uh she's got her third hulu special coming out next month she has a podcast too massive podcast yeah no i'm excited or do you have to wear like a blonde wig yeah yeah that's my plan blonde wig maybe some big chunky glasses or something yeah you'll need some cheetah print and makeup yeah that's good i want to get a full cheetah pin dress though because secretly I love wearing dresses. They're very comfortable.

They're so comfortable. Let's dive into this. So back in New Orleans, I used to do a thing called the red dress run which was to raise money for charity and everybody just, you know, it's like a 5K where everybody just goes throughout the city getting hammered and everybody wears red dresses.

So that was my first experience. And then my wizard costume is adjacent to a dress. And it is just so nice. the breeze, the ease of using the bathroom. It just feels great. I don't know. Won't you wear more dresses?

Let's do that 26, I don't think anybody cares anymore. Societal pressures, you know. But any excuse? You could start wearing kilts. I've done a kilt for a couple of St. Patty's Day party. Same thing. Super enjoyable. Yeah.

You know, absolute best. But if I did that not on St. Patty's Day, that would be a appropriating culture because I don't I'm you know we're we none of us or whatever all of us are just a mixed bag of everything but I don't identify as Scottish yeah got it he him shout out to you and you're just just throw one on Aaron if you never thrown a dress on before find an excuse see what it feels like although I do wear I wear like like like briefs or like underwear underneath. I don't go full commando.

Thank you. Commando. That'd be crazy. That'd be crazy. That'd be crazy. I can't even front. No, I was for real.

Like, you're like, where dresses? I'm, I'm on the left, brother. Do whatever makes you happy as long as it's consensual.

You know what I'm saying? I don't care. I don't judge you. I don't kinkshame either. Do you get things. Actually, yeah, I guess I'm going to do a little

Christy Nome's husband thing on Thursday. I was thinking about just a little bit. A little bit. A little bit. Big fake boobs. Yeah. Yeah, that is a little bit of Christy Gnome. Well, so Heather

has pretty large boobs herself. So like if I'm doing the costume, like, I think I feel like I almost have to. This will be on Thursday? Yeah. So you're going to get to hang out with me. All right. It's great. Paramount Plus is your streaming home for the NFL on CBS all season long.

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See you Sunday. All right, let's dive into Big T's list. I know you wanted to start it with the AI jump. Yeah, T-Bob, this is actually why I know you have to run in a few minutes. but I wanted to have you as we're missing Eric for the first half of the show because an AI model almost potentially sent us to war with China. Do you know about this? No.

Oh, you don't? No. The intelligence report circulated across the U.S. military this spring in the midst of war with Iran immediately set off alarm bells. A Chinese ship in the Middle East was transporting components of nuclear weapons program. The U.S. military swung into action with plans to intercept the vessel according to four sources familiar with the episode. According to two of the sources,

armed members of the U.S. military were preparing to board the ship. Military planes were in the air. It was only just before the planned operation that officials dug deeper into the report put together by a special operations command analyst and found it had been generated with the help of AI and that a chatbot the analyst had used inaccurately identified the material the ship was carrying.

CNN was not able to learn what the misidentified cargo was. So an AI said that a Chinese ship had new on it and we were going to start a war with China and then actually it said you're right that wasn't nukes sorry about that so you're totally right to push back on that so at least in at least in this scenario as I understand how you just read it this feels like a bit of user error maybe in the guy who was supposed to be doing the investigation like him using AI as like an assistance tool and we know that AI sometimes can want to like just confirm whatever we believe or whatnot. So, so it is, it is still dark. It's, it's not quite as malicious as if, as is,

if this was an AI system that like did this purposefully because it, it on its own arrive that I want to crank this thing up. But what it is is just another red flag and real world example of the potential of how this stuff goes sideways. And that's what drives me a bit bonkers about all this. Like the things that I've talked about in recent episodes, those are books and videos that came out two years ago and like one year ago. And now a lot of the benchmarks that they warned about are happening like in front of our face. And so it's just, but again, you, you give up and let go, let God. Because like, I don't know. There's just, I don't think There's anything that anything can do.

That's what I do, brother. Yeah. I don't know that what you said matters, though. What do you mean? The degree to which it was user error. I think just the fact that we are using these in very, very real world situations. Yeah, that's a very good point. And they're potentially leading us to ill-informed war with China.

Like, at that point, it doesn't matter whose fault it is. No, you're right. You're right. You're right. I just, but what I fear more is, You know, this alien intelligence we're creating of its own accord getting to that guy and being like, hey, you know, like, look at this ship, dude. They have China. And the guy being like, whoa, look at this. Where it sounds like maybe he was using it to help him decipher what was going on. I don't know.

It's, it's, it's, if we can thread the needle, golden age. So have we identified which AI system was used? It's not mentioned. No. This is the part where I'm like, come on, though. So I think they're not identifying that part to specifically protect any one of these fucking companies that are about to IPO. Because that would probably take a stop. Because some of them are about to IPO.

I think quad, if I'm not mistaken. But this is, this is, I don't like it. Well, it was open AI that had some sort of contract with the government, right? I actually don't know. I thought it was Claude. Well, I, I don't quote me on this, but I feel like I remember there was something where the government was, using information that Open AI had and clawed, what company is that again? Anthropic. Anthropic was like, we won't give the government that data and Open AI was going to. Now, I don't know what,

if that has any connections to the military, but there was something like that, maybe six months ago. I mean, there's got to be no more technology on planet Earth that the military is more involved in than artificial intelligence, I would imagine. Yeah. It is the next nuclear. bomb. It's the next printing press. It's the next internet all rolled up in the 25. The Pentagon's chief digital and AI office awarded up to 200 million each to open AI and anthropic to develop frontier AI capabilities for warfighting and enterprise domains. Tight. Love that. No, this has has have you seen that. Have you seen that documentary on Netflix? No, which one? Anthropocalyptic or something like that anthropopoeu-pocalyptic anthropos something like that is some made-up word that they did but it's

basically a dude who he's a he's a super artist like this this this dude's i'm gonna check out more shit he did but the way that he shot it was amazing but it's basically he's just like what the fuck is AI and so he got there's all the uh sam altman is in is in the documentary as well got there's all these like AI experts just to just to try to feel like what the fuck is this so the first part is like it's doomsday the next part is uh no No, no, no, this shit is going to be amazing. Like, this is going to, like, change the trajectory to humans for the better. And the doomsday people are just, you know, that's just what they do.

And then towards the end, he kind of, like, comes to his own conclusion. But it's a very deep, detailed dive about AI. And one of the dudes who's like, this is how fast AI, by the time this drops, the shit that we're talking about in this documentary, it's going to be negligible. Yeah. That's how fast it's true. Yeah. I mean, the line that I always go back to is, you know,

AI is the worst it will ever be today. And the rate of evolution is like we and really if you look at the entirety of human history, the rate of evolution has been growing exponentially, right? Because it's kind of how technology works. But, but now it's at a speed at which I can't, I mean, I can't wrap my head around. So again, you get so overwhelmed that you just hope for the best. And maybe we enter the Star Trek future. We have like matter replicators.

That's, that's where that's where that's where I'm at. with it right now. I'm at like, yeah, we're probably not going to see it. Like, we're probably going to die off by something caused by AI or from AI. But I think the future of humanity is going to be that. Eventually, it's going to be my ideal society, which is like a true communist society where there's no class, there's no money, there's no borders. Like, all we do is wake up and exist and actually live rather than trying to survive. I think that is the inevitable outcome of this technology or like on the

on the good side of it you know where it could detect disease it could all that shit like that that is my utopian society Dan Brown wrote a book called Origin that uh was very early on trying to predict the route that AI could go and this was um

I don't know probably eight or 10 years ago or something like that and in that book he had kind of an interesting optimistic conclusion which was essentially that humans merge with machines and we become like cyborgs basically, which you know what you think about, you have an iPhone on,

you got an eyewatch on, you got ear pods in, like you kind of are constantly connected already. Yeah, I think that'd be dope. I mean, you don't have to constantly Google shit. You can just literally think about fact checking somebody or, you know. I do get depressed though.

Like I've been thinking a lot about art and and really just depressed looking at like, young people and how they deal with problems or questions and I do think there's real value in working your brain and trying to problem solve and that is just seemingly non-existent. I would agree with that now.

It's like when a printing press happened, it was great, you know? Mass production of that, I think is a net benefit, but in the interim, you know, fucked a lot of people over. Lots, a lot of jobs, a lot of shit happens. Yeah, yeah.

I think that's what we're at the we're at the precipice of that I'm definitely going to watch it on Netflix though um I got to go though boys I got to go do tyrant's pot I apologize all right thank you thank you all for sure you appreciate you stop and bye my brother Aaron and we have you have you in the second half of the show as well yeah talking to senator Chris Murphy so you're leaving very briefly yes I'll be I'll be back shortly yeah we might not even say he left change clothes yeah uh the other thing uh we we had a couple run-ins with China this week. They may have some F-35 parts.

I was really excited to talk to PFT. I feel like the biggest plain news always happens with PF-K in here. It's crazy. It's nuts. We had a fucking plain guy that flies planes, and he misses that episode. I had to pretend to ask plain questions. And now China might have the plans to the F-35.

I did kind of kill those questions, though, if I do say so much. Now, talk to me about these. Like, what is an F-35? why is it important? The F-35, well, you're asking the wrong guy. It's one of our fighter jets. I don't know, all the specs of it. But we had sensitive F-35 fighter jet technology

was unexpectedly diverted to Hong Kong this summer, sparking an inquiry on Capitol Hill and raising the possibility that China could have access to key components of the highly classified weapons system. Apparently, there was a shipment of F-35 parts that was coming here. I don't know where it was coming from. and it got diverted to Hong Kong

and now China might have them and be able to Yeah, I don't know I didn't know Is Lockheed Martin just shipping stuff through DHL and hoping for the best? A government accountability office report from 2003 found that more than 1 million

F-35 spare parts have gone missing in the past five years The watchdog agency concluded the department hasn't been able to review spare part losses worth tens of millions of dollars because Lockheed controls the information. All right. So maybe this happens all the time. I mean, hear me out. And correct me if I'm wrong. I find it hard to believe that China, if they wanted to build something like an F-35, they couldn't.

like why wouldn't they be able to I think they could develop something like really good but I I do tend to think our military is a head they got stuff that we we can't fathom do that they got news though don't they China? Yeah for sure. Yeah. Yeah. I mean so

I don't know I just I just highly doubt 620 nuclear warheads Yeah, because you need that many. How many do we have? Let me guess. Let me guess. 5,386. That's probably a good guess. Let's see.

It says China's third. Wow, 5177. That's not a bad guess, though. Yeah, no, that's good. Fucking nailed that shit. I think we've gotten rid of a bunch of. 5,000 nuclear weapons. I think we had a lot more.

We have the arsenal to knock this fucking planet off its gravitational course. Holy shit, yo. Around 1,800 are actively deployed on strategic missiles and bomber bases, around 2,000 are held in reserve, and then 1,500 are

retired and waiting to be taken apart. So we really only have like 4,500? 3,500. We're bullies, man. We've got nooks pointed out country, like, I'm just letting you know. And we have used before, too?

just twice I mean just twice crazy big people I mean when you have 3,500 you've only used two shut the fuck up

I'm just saying well um what's the other China oh that yeah that was the other China thing oh this is we got Greenland uh kind of

we've struck some sort of deal with Greenland that this says it provides U.S. permanent basing access and overflight rights, bans, non-NATO bases gives us a screening mechanism for investments that would allow a block

on Chinese and Russian investments but we don't get the territory. Like we don't own Greenland, but I think we got what we wanted it for. Yeah, I would have to dig into this. I don't even know anything about it. But it's, we have some sort of military thing in Greenland now that we can use it for.

Google this. How many military bases are scattered across the world from the U.S.? Okay, this is another one we need to guess. I'm going to guess that we have. So there's what, like 200 something countries? I thought it's 190 something. How much is there? Yeah, I think it's about 200.

I'll do it since you don't want to do it. No, I'm guessing. I'm talking about how many countries? Oh. Your guess sounds about right. I think it's like 200. Anyway, I'm going to say we have bases in half of those, if not more. 195.

Look at me go. I'm going to say we have 1,325 military bases. I don't think it's that much. Would we need more than one military base in another country? Like if we have one in one country, would we need another one? Yeah, I think we have a bunch. I'm going to say, I'm going to say 230. It's between $750 and $800.

Damn, that is. We have $120 in Japan. How much of Japan is just U.S. military bases? Japan's not that big, I don't know. I guess they kind of have to, kind of got to let us put whatever we want. That's sad. Germany, we have 119. South Korea, 73.

We have 47 in Italy. You wouldn't guess that. What for? Deterrence, mostly. I mean, I guess we do need to have setups close to anywhere something might happen. I'm Googling this.

Why do we have so many military-based is in Italy. The United States maintains military relations in Italy to protect power, ensure rapid global response and secure strategic access across Europe, Africa, and the Middle East. Those are words. Historical and alliance factors, World War II, U.S. forces, remained in Italy following World War II and the signing of the 1949 North Atlantic Treaty to anchor Western defense. NATO partnerships for deployment, keeping troops

and equipment forward deployed allows the U.S. Miller to respond to regional crises in days rather than weeks. So it's just we pack it just in case. That's crazy.

Yeah. That's a nice gig for whoever gets to go over there. You're being transferred from Minot, North Dakota, to Italy. Back of quarterback vibes. Yeah.

Do I have anything else? That's a bit of, about it. Can I say one qualm real quick? Yeah. Get off your chest. So Deshawn Watson won a game. Big win. One out of six, baby. Five more. And I understand this is the way the NFL works and this is how media works in NFL and things get into roller coaster habits when season starts like week one you lose

everything, burn everything. Week two you win. Like super ball. I understand that. I need the people who are saying to Sean is the future to shut the fuck up. He won one game. He has paid $230 million to do so. It is legit below the bare minimum for him to win a game. And I hate how people are now all, it's one game, one win. And granted, it's against Baker Mayfield.

So it's like, I guess emotions may be elevated. but I hate that he won a single game, granted by four points. It's not like we had this crazy blowout. Can I read you his last six quarters? I saw the last six quarters. 32, a 39, 368, three touchdowns, no picks. I, like, I don't care. Like, and again, I have a lot of hate in my heart for that guy. I, like, actually hate him so much and everyone knows that. But, like, I cannot do the whole, Deshaun is now, like, is the answer to all of our questions after winning one single game.

He is... This is the Reddit thread I found. It's said, how impressed were you with Deshawn watches performance and his win over the Buccaneers? Doos said, really impressed at the improvement he made, really disappointed at the improvement he made. Yeah. Yeah, because now we have to fucking deal with him.

Like, I need everyone to be a little bit more even keeled about this. and there's one Browns reporter who I will not name, but he is like head of the Deshawn Watson camp. And I really need him to stop, but I will not name names because I respect media. But I really think he should stop talking about Deshaun. And I just find it so frustrating that everyone, he won literally one game.

Do you know who else won one game for us last year? Shador. Like, this is not a sample size of his whole career with us. Like, this is not like, oh, Deshaun's going to. at Deshaun. He's just so good at football. Like, I hate this. And I understand that my team won. 24, 24 for 30,

238 yards. I don't care. I understand your frustration. I'm just saying emotions inside. He's playing good football. Nothing else. I'm not talking about anything else. Just got to win five more than we all hate Deshaun. Okay, as soon as they get to six.

You can hate him and he's still in six games. Plenty of people hate him. me. We just got to get to six. I just find it really frustrating that he wins one single game and everyone is like, lock him in. I tell you what, I tell you what,

if you want to ship him to Atlanta, I'll take Deshawn Watson right about now. Oh my God. I will say, I thought that Cleveland Browns fans hated their quarterback the most in the NFL. The Atlanta Falcons fans. Some good memes yesterday. Hate Cooper Rush so much and it makes me laugh at a hard.

Ari and I have a couple. Have you been keeping up with the Falcons quarterback situation? Yes, because I have Kyle Pitts on my fucking fantasy team. Yeah, bad year. And you said it was his year. It is directly affecting me. So the Falcons current team passer rating is 38.2.

If they spiked the ball into the ground on every play, it would be 39.6. That's fucked up. That's insane. The Falcons are also the first team since the 2008. Rams to not reach the red zone in their first two games. They don't, that is, they're going to be fired. They're not going to last the next four or five games. They did score a touchdown in week one, but it was outside the red zone.

They have not run a play inside the red zone. I don't understand why you have no depth on the quarterback. You have a whole period in practice called red zone. Yeah, they don't need that. Where you have like 10 minutes where you do nothing, the offense splits up. The defense goes this way. the office goes in the other. And you're both doing red zone plays.

They have an entire period of practice when they just practice red zone plays. And the Atlanta Falcons has not reached the red zone. That shit, that coach is out of there. It's first year. Oh, okay. Well, to be fair, I mean, their top two quarterbacks are hurt.

Granted, they wouldn't be much better. But Joe Milton, I wrote this this morning, Joe Milton should not be signed to a team. He should work for the NFL, and the NFL should get to deploy him at its discretion to any team that is in a situation like this where you're going to lose regardless, but we need you to be more entertaining.

Do you know the Falcons' next three games are primetime national TV games? I don't know who in the world scheduled that, but they are. Who do they play? They play the Packers on Thursday night football. Then I think it's the second. Saints on Monday night football. Hang on. It's the Packers this Thursday, Saints on Monday night football,

and then it's the Ravens on Sunday night football, the next three games. The NFL should be able to hit the Joe Milton button and say, Joe, you're on the Falcons now. Go be fun. And that should be his job. And then when those three weeks are up, he goes back to the NFL headquarters, and he sits in a cryo chamber until they need to break him out again. They're like, you're going to the Jets now, Joe. That should be his job. I would like to see Joe Milton spend, though. Yeah. They're not going to win anyway.

Let's have some fun. Is he currently on a roster? He's on the Cowboys practice squad. He's being wasted away. Wow. Every time he, man, every time he appreciates, he'd be looking good, too.

Yeah. That's Joe. Now, he will throw some picks for you. But, I mean, the foul, they're doing that on their own. Shout out. I finally dropped Kyle Pitts. You dropped him?

Yeah. They're going to get the quarterback back eventually. I've had him the last, I think, three years. He's giving me like one or two weeks where I'm like, this is what I've been waiting for. And I just can't, I can't justify it anymore. It's just too much. It's too much headache. I'd rather have like a dude who I don't really.

know who isn't really that nice, then I get a consistent four to nine points from. And then this is what it is. Chalk it up. I have Justin Jefferson and J.S.N. That'll work. So I'm getting, I'm getting production. My running back situation is not that good, but. I'm looking at a thread of the saddest Falcon's stats. Kyle Pitts has as many tackles this season as receptions. One. Bryce Young is five and one. in his career against the Falcons, 10 and 30 versus the rest of the NFL. I hate to see it.

I didn't buy Sunday ticket this year. I'm not even watching. I guess the next three weeks I will. The three in a row primetime games is crazy. Did you watch the LSU Ole Miss game? Of course. Give me a take. I mean, that was,

that is why we watch college football. There is nothing in sports that is better than a football game that lives up to the hype. Like, that game should have not lived up to it, given what it was made out to be. And it did. And it was incredible. And the last play of the game is a pick and the Ole Miss players are pointing in Lane

Kiffin's face as they run by. It was unbelievable. It was perfect. I didn't see it. I'm going to watch the replay, though. Oh, it was great. Trinidad Chamble says so good. If he was 6'3, he'd be the no doubt number one pick in the draft.

He's so good. That's not really a thing anymore. Your quarterback don't have to be tall anymore. Yeah, he's six foot, though. If you can move, you can create that space that you need. He'll be fine. What's called, though? I've seen Brandon Walker on Instagram say that this dude was the number one quarterback in college.

I haven't seen a play yet, but buddy from Mississippi State, he liked that? He's cold. Yeah. he's awesome and I he might I mean right now if you were ranking the two best quarterbacks this season it's probably Trinidad Chambers from Ole Miss and Camaro Taylor from Mississippi State Mario Taylor that's what it was he's awesome

I'm gonna check out his game too I'm excited I'm gonna download a bunch of games I'm gonna download a bunch of games catch up on my football because I have a flight on Wednesday headed to Argentina and it's like a Iowaska trip that's right how long are you out I'm just there for a week So I should I'm going to be here on the Wednesday episode Oh okay

But not the next week I'm going to be in Argentina Nice Yeah go watch They played Minnesota last week Go watch that game Like some of the throws he had Were incredible I'm a peep

But yeah it's a big one for the balls this weekend. Who we got? Number one Texas coming to town. Ooh. Nice. Four and a half point spread. That's it?

Yeah. That's good. See what happens. I was going to go to the Auburn game. I'm still on the fence about it. That's, you'll be out of town. Yeah, won't you be in? It's the third.

Or yeah, I guess you'll come back that week. Yeah, yeah. Mm-hmm. That might be, I might, I may need some time to rest, though. I don't know. We'll see. Let's get to, uh, let's get to the senator. I like that.

So this is Senator Chris Murphy from Connecticut. Senator Chris Murphy from Connecticut. Connecticut. Uh, and yeah, I thought it was a good conversation. So it is. Okay, we welcome on a very special guest. It is Senator, Senator Murphy from Connecticut. Now, this is an interview that I was, uh, very excited about,

having because we've talked to a few people about the college sports acts that are going through Congress as we speak. And we heard Senator Ted Cruz on, on, what program was that? Was that Game Day? It was on College Game Day. They brought him on College Game Day to talk about the Protect College Sports Act. And when we had Senator Schmidt on a couple months ago, I had, I had a thought as I was listening to him, it seemed like he was pushing back very hard against the idea that it's even possible to have collective bargaining from the student athletes be a part of this equation, to give them a seat at the table. And my understanding of what you're all about, what you're presenting is kind of exactly

that, that there needs to be a dedicated part of this negotiation to the student athletes themselves. Am I getting that right? Yeah, you are. And first of all, thanks for having me on. A big fan. I'm a huge sports fan. I'm a big college sports fan.

I want to preserve college sports. I do think it's, you know, one of the things that's great about this country. It brings Republicans, Democrats, you know, everybody from different backgrounds together to root for their team. So I'm all in to save college sports. I just don't think you need to exploit college athletes in order to save college sports. I mean, my feeling is that this crisis is overblown. Yeah, it's harder to keep athletes than. ever before. They have to be compensated. If they don't like the way they're being treated,

they can go to another program. But there's no sign that there's a crisis in interest. You know, the numbers of people that are showing up and watching are at all-time highs. The TV contracts are bigger than ever. Women's sports are more popular than ever. The crisis really is just a crisis for coaches. Like, it's harder for coaches to put a team together right now because athletes are empowered. And basically, the courts for the last 10 years have been saying the whole college sports industry is illegal because these schools are colluding to try to set work rules for athletes and they can't do that.

And what the courts basically said is that, you know, what you have to do is what every other industry does. You have to, if you want to set rules across the entire industry, you have to bargain with your workers, with your students, with your athletes. but the college sports industry does not want to do that because the adults who are making all the money do not want to share it with the kids. And so instead, they came to Congress and said, Congress, legalize our cheating. And that's basically what this bill does.

This bill legalizes their cheating. It allows the colleges to unilaterally set revenue sharing to set work rules, to deny transfers to kids without having to go through normal procedures and without having to negotiate with the kids. you could easily set up a players association, you know, across all of Division I football, across all of Power 5 football, conference by conference. You don't have to make it an official union. You could limit the things that the kids could bargain over, but you could basically say to the schools that if you want rules that bind all these kids,

you just have to bargain with an association of the players. And I just think that would be much better because everybody, we'd be bought in. The players would support it, the schools would support it, and you wouldn't have Congress micromanaging college sports, because that's what we're doing now. Once we pass this bill, Congress is in the business of micromanaging college sports. Every year, there'll be a new bill, we'll debate it, we'll change the rules. And actually, I think it'll lead to more chaos than what happened if you just had an agreement between the football players or the Power 5 football players or the Big 10 football players and the schools. There'd be a lot more stability.

that. And that could happen tomorrow if the schools wanted it to happen because the players are ready to do that. It's just the schools are like, no, I'd rather just have Congress legalize our cheating than sit across the bargaining table with these assets. One thing that I've noticed about people that are going on public airwaves, they're doing the marketing for this bill is there's a lot of really good common sense stuff in this bill. There's a lot of stuff that sounds good. That sounds like, okay, I'm all in favor of, you know, if you limit transfers to two instead of, you know, having unlimited transfers or like if you transfer one year you don't have to sit out transfer two maybe sit out there's some stuff in there that i think if you're a fan of college sports you realize

if that was the rule it would probably be a net positive for your fandom of uh of these sports but then you get a little bit deeper into the bill and i think where they give it away a little bit is in the is in the salary cap that is in this bill so the salary cap that's in this bill is a 10 year salary cap that does not increase at all over 10 years. Now, you tell me a single industry or a single in anything in America that has a collective bargaining association where you go back and forth with players. On what planet is that something that would ever be agreed to by the labor aspect of that agreement, that you have a 10-year deal with zero increase in the salary cap.

That to me is like that should be highlighted, I think, and present to people because if they look at that, then you kind of see this bill for what it might. actually be, which is something that sounds really, really good. But in the details, it's kind of just meant for one side of the equation. Well, yeah, this bill is written by the schools to preserve their power. Every single group that represents the players, and there are a lot of them oppose this bill, because this is a division of money that is being imposed on the players. And as you said, it's basically a salary cap. It says that the players, can get about 21% of all the revenue.

In every professional sports leagues, the players get about 50% of the revenue. But again, that is due to a negotiation between the players and the owners. This is not a negotiation. This was just the college is coming here and saying, we want 80% of the revenue. We want to limit the endorsement deals

that the players do. So remember, in this bill is a whole bureaucracy that every player will have to go through in order to get their endorsement deals signed off on. We want a limitation on transfers, and we want to give the players nothing for that. So the players got no seat at the table. They weren't part of this bill at all. And, you know, it just preserves a pretty broken and unjust system in which the colleges and the sports industries will reap enormous benefits, get to keep 80% of the revenue, and the players will

get a little bit. But again, I just don't understand why Congress has to step in and do this. We don't set the rules for pro baseball or for the NFL. We let a negotiation set those rules. I just think it's a weird thing that if college sports is broken, Congress has to step in and fix it instead of the players and the colleges just figuring out an agreement. So when you brought up your, you said you don't have to call it a union, players Association, whatever it is, you said, so it's the Big Ten, it's the SEC. How would a unionization, whatever form that takes work in college sports, because it's a very unique situation where, yes, you have Tennessee and Ohio State and Georgia and Alabama who

are making $100 million a year playing football, but then you have Yukon Olympic sports rowing who actively lose money, but that's part of the athletic department. Are all those athletes in one union? Is it just a football and basketball? basketball thing? Like, what form does that take? Listen, I'm not saying it's simple, but frankly, no industry's organizing structure is simple. There are many industries, let's take the railroad industry, for instance, in which, you know, you have one organizing body for engineers, one for the conductors, another for the people who work on the tracks. You could choose to have any structure here. So you could have each sport organized

separately. You could have the students collectively in a conference bargain. There's a bunch of different ways to do it. And that structure could recognize that you're going to have different revenue sharing for football and for basketball versus volleyball and cross-country. But there's plenty of precedent for this to be worked out between the parties. It's just not true that Congress has to come to a settlement. And remember, what Congress said here is that the players will get 20% of the revenue, and then it's up to the schools as to how to divide that. So once again, the players are going to be at the mercy of the schools. They could put all of that revenue into the big sports. They could give, one school could give more of it to women's programs than others.

Again, players just had no stake in this. They'd have at least a little bit more, say, if we were negotiating. Yeah, that's fair. Senator, I think so much of this, and you've kind of alluded to this, but, you know, Justice Kavanaugh writes that letter in 2016, basically saying, look, this is a system that for over a hundred years has been flat out illegal, right? And so, like, I think we continue to deal with the, the ripple effects of that. But I was talking to PFT before he started. It's been a decade now where the NCAA has known that really the only play is to go through federal Congress, otherwise just end up with the patchwork of state laws. Like, how long are they going to keep this up?

because it's been a decade of lobbying, a decade of trying. Like, what do you see or have you heard any movement towards a different tact and moving more in the direction that you're talking about? Well, I think this will be the norm now is that anytime something happens that benefits the players, they will come to Congress and ask for a fix to put the schools back in charge. So Congress is now going to micromanage college athletics. I do not think that that's good for college athletics writ large. And I really do worry that over time, this artificial cap on players' salaries and players' compensation is going to push the best players out of college football. I mean, that was already happening in college basketball. It already is happening in college basketball.

But now that this is the permanent. state of affairs. Now that every college football player knows that they are going to make far less than they are worth, that they are going to have to play in college for three years, sustaining serious brain damage before they ever get a fair salary, I think you'll see a separate structure be set up. And a lot of kids will sit out college football and will either train for three years or will go play in some other structure where they get compensation. I think by artificially limiting compensation, especially in football, where you have to say for three versus one year in college baseball, in college basketball, you might end up destroying the

sport. I think the only way to save college football in particular is to pay the players what they're worth. And this bill is literally designed to make sure that the players are not paid what they're worth. I'm curious as to why what your opinion on, like, why are we tip-torn around still in 2006 that the players are not employees. And college sports is the only one to circumnavigate the labor laws in this country. I mean, listen, I think this is a civil rights issue. I just do. And I know this is sometimes uncomfortable to talk about.

But let's just be honest about what's happened in the last 10 years. Young black men have gotten power. And that is really upset the white older men who right now reap all the benefit of an exploitative system. And so I think that college athletes are being singled out for wage restraint and legislative intervention because these are young black men. And I just think that that's the truth. This doesn't exist for any other high value young person in the country. if you are a musician, if you are an online influencer, and you are young in this country,

there's no federal law that caps your compensation. There's no requirement that you go before some bureaucratic board to get an endorsement deal approved. No, I think what happened here is that young black men got power. And the white men who run the industry said, hell no, I'm going to Congress, and I'm going to get Congress to step in. Remember, the NACP opposes this bill. Every member of the Congressional Black Caucus in the United States Senate just voted against this bill. The Urban League opposes this bill.

Every group that represents and speaks up for black people and issues of racial justice see this as a civil rights issue. And I think that that's why these athletes are getting singled out for this kind of treatment. So I would agree with you, right? Clearly, I'm a performer collegiate athlete. who understands race relations in this country. So like when you say that, I don't think, like, you preachers to the choir. But how do you reach, how are you trying to reach, like, the political discourse in this country has gotten to a point where saying something like that, like, you turn people off.

Like, and trust me, like, I don't, like, I disagree with it, right? Like, I feel like calling out race relations in this country is a big, it's a necessary tool. and what I think has happened over the last like 10 years is the rise of like stop calling me races right like that whole rhetoric so how do you how do you reach somebody who is tone deaf to that rhetoric of this is not about race I do think that is a big variable in this but like what other toolkit used to tell people like yo this is a labor issue this is a this is a this is an issue in our economic system that needs to be addressed

that does have to do with race, but it's not going to reach, I think the majority of people, especially people who watch Game Day. Yeah, Aaron, I mean, I think this is like a super interesting conversation. I guess I think about it this way. I think especially for somebody like me, right,

a white man in a position of leadership, I can't let people bully me, politically bully me into stopping talking about race. I agree with you that people are like, hey, don't call me racist, don't inject race into everything. And what they are intending to do is to stop us from talking about the truth. And the truth is that race infects almost every conversation in this country and certainly the conversation about college athletics. And so I hear what you're saying that it can be a divisive start to the conversation and it risks alienating. some people. But I just really worry about a world in which we don't tell the truth about the

motivation for why we're here today. And the motivation is undoubtedly black kids getting power and white people getting freaked out about that. Now, I also think that I should admit that there are problems that should be solved in college athletics. I'm not saying that I want the status quo. I'm saying, yeah, this doesn't make a lot of sense to me that kids can transfer every single year. you can come back to the pros that agents are getting 25%, 30% cuts. But I don't think you need to give an antitrust exemption to college sports in order to fix that. I don't think you have to set up a bureaucratic board for endorsement deals to fix that. I think that can either be fixed through collective bargaining or Congress could pass a much more

limited bill than this. We can pass a bill that just says you only get four or five years of eligibility. If you go pro, you can't come back. agent fees are capped at 10. We could fix some of the most ridiculous things in the system right now without preserving a system of exploitation. So yeah, I just think being open to change, not just being against everything, but I also don't want to back away from the fact that at the heart of this is a story of race. How? I hold a real cut. I got one more follow. I agree with you wholeheartedly. Good on you, brother.

My last one is, like, what, do you, are you in the camp that you believe that players should be able to unionize? Because in 2014, we kind of litigated that with Northwestern. But I don't, I feel like that's more like at the heart of the issue. So what do you feel about, like, the unization of? I don't know that it needs to be a union in the traditional sense of the word. But I think had Congress done, I mean, basically the Supreme Court says, the whole system is at level, right? And so at that point, the colleges have only two choices. The Supreme Court basically says, these kids are basically workers, and you can't collude to restrict their compensation.

And so if you want to set rules across the college sports industry, you have to negotiate with them. And that was the college's only resort, but they did not want to do that because they thought that they could get Congress to step in and make their illegal behavior suddenly legal. So had we done nothing, had we two years ago just said, no way, Congress is not going to save you. What would have happened is some form of agreement between a Players Association, probably not a union, it wouldn't have all the rights of a union, a Players Association, and the conferences or the NCAA. So yes, I believe that the solution here is a negotiated set of new rules that are fair for everybody between the players and the schools. And I think that would have been the result.

It would have been the result had Congress not signaled about a year or so ago that we're going to come in and save your ass. You mentioned Congress passing a more limited bill than this act. And you said you could set eligibility limits, whatever. How would that work without giving the NCAA the antitrust exemption that? They want, and how would that prevent more lawsuits coming like they are right now? Well, I don't think you need to give them an antitrust exemption to just say students have X number of year of eligibility and they have, they don't have the ability to come back after they've gone pro. That has nothing to do with their antitrust status. the primary reason that the bill gives them an antitrust exemption is to allow them to have greater power in their negotiations over TV contracts, right?

We haven't talked about this, but that's really at the heart of the bill. The antitrust exemption will allow every single college program, right, all the big football programs, to bind together and use their total leverage to get contracts from networks or from streamers. there's a very limited rule in this bill that says, well, in those contracts, we're giving you this huge power. And if you negotiate a deal on behalf of all big football programs, you have to have at least one local market where people can see the games for free, but only one. So in Texas, there are 20 different local TV markets. And what this bill says is that you only have to have the games on for free in one of those 20 markets. And in all the other 20 markets, you could sell the rights to Amazon, to Netflix, and everybody else in the state would have to pay for it. So the antitrust

exemption in this bill is really just about a cash grab for the schools, greatly increasing their bargaining power for TV rights. And I think it will come at great expense for fans who don't want to have to pay through the nose to see their team's play. It sounds like collective bargaining a little bit. Yeah, they're asking, right, they are asking for an antitrust exemption from Congress to be able to collectively bargain on behalf of every school for TV contracts that would pad the pockets of the schools. And they are asking us to deny the right of the athletes to join together to try to bargain on behalf of their own compensation. Yeah, the hypocrisy is skin-deep. Yeah, and unfortunately, I don't think they're just like pointing out hypocrisy is enough to stop it.

But it is, if you look at it from that perspective, it is kind of shocking the two sides of their mouth that they're talking about. What else is there in the bill besides the common sense stuff that we just discussed? But besides those things, which I think most sports fans look at and they think that's a good idea. I think this would give me more stability as a fan. They can, you know, it goes back to like, you know, fans ultimately just want. to feel like they're secure and rooting for a team and there's some carryover year to year and the brands that they love, there's like familiarity and they can, you know, get to know a team instead of just having to change it over every single year. Besides those common sense

things that we talked about earlier, what are the other things in the bill that you've seen that you thought to yourself? Like, why is this included in the bill? Yeah. I think you're right. I think fans like stability. Although a lot of things, fandom these days is about the moments when your team changes, right? I mean, so much of what you guys talk about are, you know, free agent signing periods about players moving. And what this era of player empowerment does is it requires coaches to run good programs, to treat players well. You know, Danny Hurley gets players back every year at Yukon because, yeah, they can compensate players well there, but he also treats them well. Other coaches who don't treat their players

as well lose their players every year. So I think fans, you know, I get it, that they don't want to lose their whole team every year, but coaches who treat their players well and universities who decide to compensate them well can hold on to their players. The other stuff in the build, I'll say one of the other things in the bill that's head scratcher is this. All these compensation rules apply to athletes, but not to coaches. And one of the easy, things to, you know, to just answer critics of this bill would have been to say, well, there's going to be a salary cap that applies to coaches as well, that if students have to get their endorsement deals approved, so do the coaches.

I hear the proponents of the bill saying, well, this bill is going to restrain all of this billionaire money from coming into college sports. That's bad for sports that, you know, if you just have one billionaire that supports you, like Phil Knight in Oregon, you can just outspend all the other teams. Well, this bill actually doesn't restrain billionaire money in sports. It only restrains billionaire money that goes to the players. Coaches can have their salaries supplemented by a single billionaire. That's legal under this deal. Coaches get any endorsement deals they want without any approval from the NCAA. Well, every athlete has to go through a bureaucratic process to get their endorsement deal approved.

facilities can still be subsidized by billionaire donors. So basically the bill says every billionaire subsidy of college athletics is okay, except if it supports poor athletes, except if it supports black athletes in the high value, high revenue sports like football and basketball. And I just think that that's another part of the hypocrisy. This is not about big money in sports. It does nothing to limit big money in sports except when it comes to money that goes to the athletes. I want to talk about the fan perspective a bit here because it is one of the more fascinating aspects to me is that this is a bit of, and you see this in other areas. It's like in politics, right? A lot of people say we want more bipartisan cooperation.

We want to get things done. No gridlock. But the second an elected official does that, they then skewer that person for it and ends up being the thing that they build their. case against me like, okay, we're not going to reelect this guy. In the same way, all of us are sitting here saying like PFT said, I don't want the to change that much. I don't know who this. I don't know who that is. And yet, to your point, the numbers are all up. Money's up. Viewerships up. Everybody just getting bigger and bigger and bigger. Are the fans in this case relevant to the bigger picture? Like if there was a world where the numbers actually

went down, not as many people watched or, or, you know, by those metrics, like, would that actually change anything? Yeah, I think it would because I go back to where I start. Like, I mean, I love the fact that basketball unifies my state. You know, my state, yeah, it's more of a blue state, but it's still politically divided. Trump gets 40% of the vote. I really worry about this country becoming so politically fractured where our primary identities these days for many people are political identities. I just don't think that's healthy. Sports identity is healthy because, yeah, it's. You know, if you're a Ohio State fan, you have bad feelings towards Michigan fans.

But it unifies you with your neighbors, regardless of your race, your background, your religion, your political ideology. So I want college sports to be healthy. So if I saw that this chaos in recruiting or compensation was leading to fans walking away, I'd be concerned. But the exact opposite is happening during this exact exact. period of player empowerment, more fans than ever are showing up to the games and watching it on TV. It makes college sports a, you know, basically a year-round endeavor because you pay attention to the season and then you pay attention to those transfer portals and then you get to, you know, get to know your new team. That's what keeps interest year-round for the NBA and Major League Baseball

and the NFL, and that is what was happening in college sports. There's no sign that that player empowerment was hurting athletes. There's no sign that player empowerment was hurting fans. It was only making life a little bit harder for the coaches. And it was transferring money from the coaches, from the boosters, from the colleges to the kids. And that is the crisis. The crisis is not people not watching, is not players being abused. the crisis is just that money started to leech from the white adults to the young black athletes.

And that's, I think, the primary reason why we're debating this in Congress. So what are you proposing? So listen, I would. I would pass legislation that sets up a kind of players association. It gives a bunch of different options for the players in the schools and the conferences. But I would set up a process by which the players would negotiate, um, the share of revenue that they get and basic work rules like transfers, for instance, with the schools and let them work it out together. And maybe you, again, you wouldn't maybe

leave everything up to them. You might say in statute that each agreement has to last for 10 years, right, to make sure you're not coming back and having to renegotiate every few years. But yeah, if it was up to me, I would either say, let's pass a piece of legislation that requires a negotiation that doesn't make them unions, but gives them players association rights, or alternatively, I would pass a much more narrow bill. I'd pass a bill that just gets at the worst things that are happening. I pass a bill that just says you can't go back into the pros, could go back in college after you've been in the pros, you know, maybe limit on the number of transfers except in egregious situations and put a cap on agent fees. I think you could do a smaller

number of things that would make the sport better. So either of those two options would be what I would like to do. And listen, this bill is not past the Senate yet. It is not past the House. So there's still a lot of time for people to call their senator, to call their congressman and say either don't pass this bill empower athletes or do something smaller and more targeted than this piece of legislation that is going to greatly limit the rights of athletes and basically. And basically, and, and, and, and, basically put in stone and in statute and exploitative system. And it does look like, I guess, Congress might be out of session, or at least the House might be out of session until after the midterms.

From what I just saw, unless you see something that I haven't seen. Yeah, we won't pass this the earliest until November or December. It is going to be debated in the Senate this week and next week, but the House is out of session. So the final bill is not going to pass until the end of the end of the year. Okay. Well, I appreciate you joining us. Thank you so much, Senator Murphy. Hope to speak to you again at some point, a little bit longer.

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at play from the Ted Cruz Protect College Sports Act. he is playing up to a very common sentiment among fans, which is very easy to understand all the elements we talk about, players moving around and feeling like it is too much Wild West. But also then you talk to Senator Murphy and his base, the kind of point being the kids just deserve a seat at the negotiating table is like the most obvious point possible to be able to make, right? That if you're going to bargain what their revenue should be,

that they should be empowered to be represented in those conversations. And like, it's a very American point, right? Yeah, it is. Here's what I understand. And I don't know, Murphy would have had something to say about this, but what I don't fully understand is what is the truth of the money, right?

Because more money is coming in than ever from a free market perspective, like what the, how much people are willing to spend, we haven't reached the ceiling yet. People keep investing more and more money and seem willing to. And yet everybody's constantly talking about how they're out of money. And yeah, revenues going on. And so maybe it's just a school by school basis.

So that's why it feels so contradictory. But that's something that I can't fully understand outside looking at. I think it has a lot to do with the fact that college sports by their very nature are stupid. And there's a lot of stupid shit that happens. And so there's a lot of opportunities to be like, this is broken. when in reality, I think the sports always kind of been, to Big T's point, like it's always kind of been fucked up. But that's part of the charm of it.

It's not the pan issues. It's one of the, it is the only institution in which these free market capitalist Republicans are trying to hinder the free market. It's the only one. And their reasoning is circular. It makes them zero sense. And so you have to ask, I don't, I don't think, and that's why I did kind of push back a little bit.

Like, I don't think it's just race. I think there's a small component of that that it is to it. But I don't think his point was not. And that's why I was trying to get him to, I don't think you can win over people with the race argument anymore. I think that shit's done. I think white people hilariously have grown tired of being called racist. It's more racist actually to say that, to say that. Yeah.

And that whole shit is hilarious. But I think you have to get them in a in a conundrum. where their economic belief systems and love for free market capitalism is at play. That's how you corner these motherfuckers. The other thing I was going to say is I 100% agree. Like the players should be able to negotiate in some aspect. But I think what many people are going to find is that the way it's right now is like it's not going to get better for players than it is right now. They are making unlimited amounts of money with unlimited ability to leave transfer, no repercussions whatsoever.

As soon as you have a whatever form of collective bargaining takes, like a lot of that goes away. It's kind of fascinating. Like where is the leverage to bring the players to the table? Well, you're not going to be able to have unlimited transfers and there would be some sort of a cap and things like that that don't currently exist. The transfer makes it. But the cap is, again, it's ridiculously. Well, there's technically a salary cap now. It just doesn't.

I think it would limit. I think it would limit the amount of money that players at the very top could get. But theoretically would increase the amount of money. of money that players at every position. So that would be the the bait to bring them to the table basically. Yeah. Because you have to give them something because Tia is right. Like this is as friendly as you could possibly get for players in terms of being able to maximize their value every single season and every single semester. And it's it's not like, I mean, I can't like

collude and like keep the players out of it. I mean, to me, to go back to racing too, this is, This is just classic labor versus capital, isn't it? Yes. It is. I think the historical aspect of a primarily black labor force that was not getting paid and by law not allowed to get paid for, you know, so many years. It does, for lack of a bit, it does color the situation. Oh, without a doubt. I am not saying that race is irrelevant here.

Pay. Like the, the revenue from the TV. adds on the arts, it's not going to the athletes. It's coming from people who like the sport. Yeah. Like, so they're still not getting paid. Like, that, that's, that needs to be highlighted in this whole thing. Well, it's half and half. The school does pay. It's like PBS, right? The, the, the, the limit that the schools can give is what, 22, I think? Yeah. So, $22 million per year, the school is paying the players. But that, but to Aryan's point, that is the first step in, like, that is the first time.

where they've actually gotten even a bite at the TV revenue pie. Yeah. It just started. And when they, he is right about the like the renegotiation because now if, if the, uh, different schools can pull together and negotiate as one, we're talking about a difference of billions of dollars. Yeah. Like it's, that's the real reason why they're trying to do that.

Um, I just think put a CBA in, in place. Like let if, if the, the football, if the student athletes have the ability to bargain, we're going to end up with a bill that has, or an agreement that has a lot of the common sense shit in there and is also like fairly agreed to by the people that are doing the work. Well, that's why I asked about women's rowing because as soon as you create a players association for football and basketball, you're just going to have another litany of lawsuits from the women's golf team.

Yeah? Because they are technical, they're part of the same athletic department. But they, but can you, But the carve outs would be like for the TV rights deals. Couldn't you do it on like a sport by sport basis? Yeah, in theory. That's what I don't. Common sense would dictate that, but I don't think that's legally justified.

So I was going to say that is something where I know I'm over my skis and I'm way over my head and labor laws do that. Labor laws literally do that. Like when you unionize, they literally the, what is it? N-L-A-R-A. They literally go situation by situation on each unique, different union and lay. labor issue and they sort it out. That's literally do that already. I do also think that like no matter what happens, something's going to end up in court

because the reality, as much as we don't like to admit it, is it's kind of insane that sports are tied into what school you go to. Like regional sports. Regional amateur sports are all about like what school you're attending at the time. That's how it got started. I'm glad that it's here because I do love college sports. But like if you were to start it over from scratch, I don't think that you do it in a way where it's like, oh, well, if you go to the University of Virginia, they've got a really good baseball team there, right? Like it's kind of two different things.

It's very unwieldy. Yeah. It is spread out throughout the country, various levels of competition, various levels to your point, POTD of passion. It's like, there's a reason why the NFL's 32 teams and, you know, like, why these leagues, it's much easier to wrap your hands. around collectively bargaining that. And it's not even just the breadth of having like 100 something teams at every sport, or whatever it is. But it's also the fact that like how do you, and this is what I wouldn't, because he made

it at a time sound like it'd be easy to do. But what I don't understand from a legal perspective is how do you have a players association that is turning over at the rate that college does? But maybe that doesn't make sense because the NFL, I guess, is not for long, right? Like that turns over pretty quickly as well. It also is different, especially if you're putting a cap on how long they are allowed. to be there. Yeah.

So, like, if you can only be there for five years, then you're guaranteeing that there won't be anybody with institutional knowledge past five years. So it would have to be, it would have to be led by somebody that, uh, is put into position of trust of like every student athlete in America. But they get like some sort of counsel together, I'm sure. I'll tell you this.

So the part that, one part that does ring very true to me as well, um, is kind of pushing back. against the narrative that football or college football specifically, whatever sport you love is, is in crisis. Ask Oklahoma State fans if they feel like they're in crisis right now. You do raise a very good point. Like, I don't think you should shy away from that.

I don't know if I get your point. I don't know if I fully agree because viewership and money is up. And traditionally, that is how we kind of measure success for a lot of things. Because they got new TV contracts when those schools joined. the SEC and Big Ten. How do you measure success, whether or not college football is in a good place? Well, I think it's, it's monetarily successful. Yeah. That is true. No, that's if my life is going well. It's monetarily successful, but that doesn't mean that the spiritually, the structure is sound. Yeah. No, I know what you're saying. I don't mean. There's a lot of stuff that's broken about college

football. I agree with that. It's, when does the structure ever been sound? But that's what I'm saying It may be never. That's my whole point about college athletics in general is it's never really been, if you sit down and you think too hard about college sports, it crumbles pretty quickly. So my advice to you would be to just never really think that hard and just sit back and be like, ducks are playing the Buckeyes, let's go. Hell yeah.

Hand me a beer. And again, I mean, that's what sports are for anyway. Right. Right. Fucking. See,

the conversation. By the government. And it's like, hey, man. Conversations with Senator Schmidt and Senator Murphy, that's what you get when you think about college sports too long. And like, if you're a fan of college sports, these are not conversations you like listening to or having. Well, it goes back to, I think it was in the original Kavanaugh letter where he wrote like, this system's been flatly illegal for a hundred years. Yeah. Like when you accept something for a century that as PFT is saying, if you actually thought about, you're like, wait a second, this is actually broken.

there's going to be and now we're in a decade of ripple effects. So, of course, there's going to be crazy fallout that continues to go on and on. I would say this, though. I'm watching college football last Saturday, and I don't know if I was just feeling romantic because I'm watching Drew Mess to Maker,

a kid who didn't play high school quarterback, helicopter, goes to North Texas, fucking earns it, leaps from the five-yard line to find a way to the end zone. I'm watching a Kroger field that's on fire, D. Lyman, tipping Keelon Russell, pick six to start the game. Kentucky's fighting with Alabama. Arizona states going into college station getting frisky. LSU had a tough first half too. Yeah, like I guess I mean,

I'm just seeing, I'm seeing a democratization amongst the game that I like as a fan that I think is a better product. And you no longer have these dragons hoarding all of their wealth at the top of the sport. I do like how they've been weakened and it's been spread out. You know, you know, I told you, Did you look at it? No. Dragons hoarding. This is no. Dragons hoarding.

But, but, it's, I like, Oklahoma State doesn't happen. Indiana doesn't happen. UCLA's ecstatic right now with Chesney. That doesn't happen.

Tennessee's benefited from it. LSU immediately has way more excitement that it ever would have had before, like in the old era. Like, I just don't know that I buy even just at pure face value that even an unlimited portal. and lawless NIL has been actually bad for the quality of football. Some aspects of the fan experience have without a doubt gotten worse, but the teams to a man and the power for are better.

That's actually the exact verbiage I would have used, is the fan experience has suffered to, and that's the other thing. It's the aspects of the fan, in my opinion. I agree. That's the other thing about, well, more people are watching than ever. I actually think, as presently constructed, college football and basketball in particular, are sacrificing a lot of longtime fan loyalty for casual fans. People who, as I mentioned, see Ohio State playing Oregon, they turn it on.

There are a lot of people who have watched Tennessee football for 50 years who turned on week one. They're like, who the hell is Quay Moss? I've never heard of that guy in my life. And you don't even know who's on your own team, let alone other teams. And that's obviously a product of the transfer portal. But I just think, um, wait, are you against the transfer portal? No.

No, I, I may, I, I'm against transferring four times. The way that you're talking about, like the long time fans tuning in watching the game, that's how I, you're described my experience when I like, watch an award show. When I tune in, the Grammys are on. Right. See, I, I like, I'm a music lover. I used to listen to the radio all the time. I used to buy a lot of music.

Then I tuned to the Grammits and I'm like, who the fuck? Who is still lefty? Other than Big T, other than, like, it don't feel right. Is there an argument for the kids being able to go as they please? What do you mean? Well, I would love them to sign contracts that say, like, you have to be here for, if you want to sign a one-year contract, like maybe that you can work that out, but something to where you're not transferring three times.

That's where I think that doing a collective agreement would work. Other than it, it just don't feel right. Is there a re? Well, this is the only sport in the world where we allow that to happen currently. I mean, I don't mind. Like, I'm with T on the contract. And I'm not saying get rid of the portal. I'm not saying that.

But maybe you get one free transfer, another if like your coach leaves or something. I'm okay. I'm trying to get that to the reason as to why. why though. Like other than like, I just don't like. Well, there's a reason.

There's a reason the NFL doesn't let you change teams every single year because it's not good for. Well, you're under contract. Right. Yeah. So, but in, so in your scenario T.

though, I'm fine with that. If it is a contract that somebody signs and they have to live by that. Yeah. Like I, I would be okay with that because it goes back to the core idea that at least that person had a seat at the table and made a decision. Like I chose.

Yeah. And like I said, I'm not opposed to collective bargaining. If that's, I don't, I don't know that. there's a realistic path forward to that in the immediate future. But however they do it, like I, there just needs to be some sort of common sense.

I think there is a path forward for it. I really do. Well, not if the players aren't employees. I think if they do a collective bargaining agreement, that is the best way to handle this move forward. I think that if you have other non-revenue sports that are also, you were saying, like, how are they going to handle that? I mean, tie it into the TV revenue or tied into the revenue that's generated by the program. And then I think that's the best way where you can get the schools, the ability to say, like, hey, out of college, we're giving out two-year contracts or three-year contracts.

And that will be nice and legal if the players agree to it. And it'll be good for everybody. I think it solves a lot of those problems. But if you just— I don't think it does. And that's why I keep trying to drill down on this question as to why y'all don't like cats transferring, other than you don't like it. Because it's not like the NFL. The NFL is an established league that the talent.

talent pool kind of decides the product. In college sports, it's not exactly the same. You still haven't developed. And if you don't feel like you're getting a fair shake, you should be able to move as you please. Whatever your reasons for being so. So like the argument of, that's what I keep trying to say, why don't you want to try to do?

Because nothing else does. Well, nothing else is like this. Like these are kids who are trying to find their footing in a sport that they may or may not be able to excel at. So from my perspective, I'm like, why don't you like him transferring? And it's really just you don't like it. Well, no, I at least attach a buyout or something to a contract just to where players can't get up and leave at the drop of the hat. I'm with you.

I'm trying to get down to this the reason why because the reason why you don't like him transferring is the reason why there's a bill in Congress trying to get him to stop transferring. And I'm not saying you did it. I'm saying that sentiment. And I'm trying to drill down on that sentiment. That sentiment is empty. I mean, I think it dilutes the quality of, of the sport when you have guys transferring four times in four years. Wow.

I don't think it's good for the health of the sport when guys are. And I actually think what you said is, and listen, if guys, you know, something doesn't work out at a school, it turns out it's not what they thought and they want to leave, fine. But I think what you were talking about, the development aspect is more of a reason that guys should not be transferring every single season. And I think you're starting to see it in the professional ranks where these guys who have played quarterback at three different schools get drafted in the first round.

And it turns out they're not any good because they haven't been developed at all. I wouldn't necessarily disagree. But then like, so if, and you've addressed this, but this is, this is to both of our points. Like if a coach transfers, then that development gets stalled and you're starting back to square one. That's fair. With, with another regime. But again, the only reason why I would bang for it is because I'm, I shouldn't have a say

so. And if a kid in a free market feels like he needs to go another place for a fair shot, fresh start, whatever the case may be. Like, because if, if I was, like, I was in Tennessee, there was definitely a time I'd be like, I'm out, dog. Like, y'all are tripping. Like, the coaches were, and looking back, they kind of were. Like, there was, we just didn't.

mesh well. And so, like, I, I shouldn't have a, you shouldn't have a say so. And if a kid, this is a kid's future. That's the only way I'm banging it for like this is because like, this is a day future. There's one point in time we had a, uh, a running back meeting. And it was heated because we were all sharing time and, and we were all tiptoning around the reason as to why we were so upset. Like, I love my dude, like, Montero Hardesty, Lamarcus Koch at the time was there. I love, these are dudes that I loved them in the college with. But at the end of the day, If you get more playing time, that means you low-key taking money out my pocket. Yeah.

Mm-hmm. That's the unfortunate side effect of that industry. And we all said, I was like, no, we all here because we all want to play and playing gets to eventually feed our families. Yeah, we upset. But like, I don't want to not see him do good. It's a very weird feeling to navigate as a 19-year-old kid. But that's why I felt like at the end of the day.

Who the fuck are we to say what he feels is best for him in his future? I don't understand it. Other than it, it just don't feel right. I still haven't heard a compelling argument. I don't think it deluxe the sport. I think you just don't like it because you don't like it. I think for, I mean, I think this is to your point, area. And it does feel like the greatest point is just one from a fan perspective where

you don't form the kind of relationships with the team that we grew up on, right? And anytime something changes so drastically, you're going to kind of, of have calluses built up against against how that feels like we we talked about it maybe last episode I was on where we're exciting signing day was and then you know you'd be so obsessed how you finally landed him and then maybe play a little bit as a freshman and then like a couple years later he's just just you've watched him evolve into this incredible upperclassman that was our normal and that's what we're used to I'd be very intrigued to see what the kids who grow up in this era that don't have that attachment or nostalgia.

Like to Aryan's point, I wonder if they think there's anything inherently wrong with guys being able to move where, you know, to whatever place is best for them. Because already like the players attitudes have changed. Like they've taken on a much more professional attitude in a lot of ways where I, I said it last week where like, you know, guys left our signing class, went to Alabama. We never talked to him again. Now I think it's like, I know, I know that's fucked up. That's true.

That's actually great. No, no, fuck them, dude. But, but, but, yeah, like, players nowadays, you chance are, and it's like, there's still some animosity. Like, Kiwan Lacey had some good old school hate for the guys that left and lane leaving and whatnot. But for the most part, they understand. And they're like, yeah, this is, this is the business.

I think in sports, there does have to be, like, it would be awesome for NFL players. If they could, if there was the transfer portal and they could leave every year, there's a reason they're not allowed to do it. Oh, but there is, though, big tea. they used to they used to not be able to have free agency they they unionized to be able to collectively have free agency this used to be a thing you know and what you're there is no such thing as a free agency in in a college sports which you're arguing against is a free agency in college sports like if because because they're not getting paid as employees because they don't get the same

like labor rights as as employees this is their freedom I just I just I don't understand it. I don't dispute that every player that's worth their salt should be in the portal every single year. That is the quickest and best way to maximize your earning potential in college. I don't dispute that. I'm saying maybe there should be some sort of you can transfer once for free, twice. With each succeeding transfer, there is some sort of disincentive to do that. or at the bare minimum.

And listen, I typically side with Colin Cowherd on this kind of stuff. Who needs Middle Tennessee State? But it does seem remarkably unfair to me that you go to James Madison or Tulane or wherever you kill it. And then all right, guys, thanks for that. I'll see you never. But that's America, dude. Anybody who does well-at-job wants the ability to move up. And that's fine.

And you should have the ability to go do that. But like there should be some sort of, you know, buyout, something. Sign a contract. You know who else should talk to at some point? Because he could actually give you some fascinating insight to the creation of NFL free agency. This is self-sert. My old man was a key, key part of the court case

that led to free agency in the early 90s. Was he really? He held out all of 1990, prime of his career. He set out the entire year. And, I mean, this is just AI here. It says, A Bear became one of the key plaintiffs and the final witness to testify in the McNee. Neil federal anti-trust case tried before Judge Doty.

His compelling testimony regarding player rights prompted the NFL to seek a settlement. And of course, the players ended up winning. But he's got some fascinating stories about that courtroom, the pressures he was getting, and all the dynamics at play. That's fascinating to me. So Judge Doty, that's the guy. He might have recently retired, but he's been ruling on NFL shit for the last. When was that case?

That was 1990. 1990. Yeah. He's still like, as recently. has a couple years ago. He's been going at it. He's like the judge that they go to for all. He's the football judge. The football judge. Yeah. Yeah. Florio is very, very familiar with his game.

All right. Hey, good, good conversation. All right, that was Senator Chris Murphy. Chris Murphy and good conversation. I'm interested to see where that bill goes. I think it's going to pass. I hope not. But I think it's kind of.

That's on y'all. me. Yeah. I don't have anything to do with it. Republicans. I think that most of the Democrats are on. I actually meant we ran out of time. I wanted to ask him that because there are more Republicans than Democrats, but the majority of Democrats in the Senate voted for it as well.

We call those dynos. Right. That actually is good that it works. That is kind of rhinos and dynos, baby. All right. We'll see y'all. Thursday. Is Eric going to be back Thursday? I believe so.

Yeah, I think. Where is he today? Unsure. All right. Yeah, I think he's supposed to be back. All right. We'll see y'all then. We're going to have a topic? We'll figure it out. All right. Peace. Goodbye.