Macrodosing: Arian Foster and PFT Commenter - Shrooms

Episode Date: August 17, 2021

On today's episode of Macrodosing, The Wonton Don joins the crew and fills in for PFT while he's out on grit week. You'll hear all the takes on psilocybin mushrooms and everyones personal experiences with them. Everything from Tim Tebow to walking around New York City on shrooms is covered. What else would you expect? Also, Big T talks about a promise to the show that could have him doing a microdose in the near future?! All of this and more on the show. You don't want to miss it.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/macrodosing

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We're talking about fungus, right? But first and foremost, we have to introduce. Dottie, I've never met you. This is my first time talking to you, man. So if you give him a little hello and who you are, what you do who you with hey how are you i'm the wanton don uh before the pandemic i was the company's foreign correspondent living out in china for a long time i was there like for eight years um but yeah i've since moved back to new york and um have some experience with magic mushroom so i'm

excited to be on this pod a huge fan and um yeah i like i like the direction you guys are going in yeah man we appreciate you filling in man Um, pleasure to meet you as well, man, uh, virtually. Yeah, uh, yeah, man. So, hey, Big T, how you doing, man? I'm doing great. How are you? You're my sleeper guy, bro.

I really fuck with you. I might, I might not seem like it on the pod, but I fuck with you. No, I appreciate that. People always ask me, they're like, you and Aaron. I'm like, Arians one of, one of my favorite people. Like, we disagree on virtually everything in the world, but like we, I feel like we're, we're boys at the end of the day. Yeah, we good.

We're good money, man. It's all good, man. So we got two of the building and Carly, how are you living, doggy? I can't complain, man. There's a lot worse shit going on than what I got going on right now, so it's hard to complain.

That's low key, my whole life mantra. Somebody got it worse, man. It's all good. Is there any current event news? Y'all want to hop in anything happening, trending? I'm actually, once again, I'm out of the loop. I haven't been paying attention to anything.

Oh, I thought he was being sarcastic. No, I'm dead-ass serious. I have no idea what's going on. Did you hear about the Taliban? I mean, I know who they are, but I don't know what's like I literally have not. They're back. They're back. They're back.

The Taliban ban is back. What happened? Somebody's familiar. Yeah, they have kind of taken over control of Afghanistan. They have entered the capital and the president of Afghanistan fled to Tajikistan. shout out to jikistan i've been there before solid country um but yeah so now they kind of have full control and they're trying to get all the civilians out um because any of the afghani citizens who kind of like helped the u.s while they were there now the taliban's like

trying to hunt them down and punish him so scary shit oh shit so what so what's the game plan what they what they're talking about what's the game i i yeah Correct me if I'm wrong, Donnie, but this is all because we've started to withdraw from Afghanistan. That was kind of like now they're just sliding in the second we leave. Yeah, yeah. It's kind of seemed like the Afghan army pretty much surrendered shortly after we moved our troops out of there. And so, yeah, I think I don't know how much the war cost of something, something trillion, like $10,000, $20 trillion.

and like now we're kind of back at square one. I mean, Osama bin Laden isn't like in the Taliban anymore. So that's a plus. Well, but maybe. I think that's, you know,

Taliban is kind of like the jab walkies, right? Like, I think it's the, it's going on. Well, think about this, bro. Look it right out of my mouth, Aaron. It's an ideology, right?

So it's like, they're maskless. You can, kill the leader, but it's an ideology that has that has permeated a subset of the culture over there. So it says it doesn't matter the leader you kill. You have to attack the root of the issue. And until you do that, like, you're going to continue to have leaders, you know, spur up. And so the reason why I like them to is Jabberwock is because like Jabberwock is loki brilliant, dog. Like they, I always say, not allowed to do, but it's a good analogy because the Jabalakis,

they're maskless, right? And so there's like seven or eight of them, right? And like, you don't know who they are, but they're like a worldwide phenomenon because they're so dope. So they can literally just train dudes underneath them and put different masks on and dance and nobody will know, but it's just the jab war. That's why I like it to liking them to the jabber. Big T, what's your conservative take of what's going on over there? I mean, I am not nearly as read up on it as probably should be to talk about it. But I mean, it's, yeah, I don't know. Kate, who was in the military and works here, wrote a really good blog that's on Barstool today

that I think everybody should go read if you haven't but I mean I don't like I would prefer it to not be happening is my take for sure what's the Spark Notes version of that article she had basically she was trying to figure out her own internal feelings like well what what was the last 20 years for if ultimately we're just back

at where we started like what and i'm sure that's how and i'm not going to speak for the troops but i'm sure a lot of people who served and put their life on the line are like yeah what the fuck like if this was like we we didn't have a good uh exit strategy we didn't have a good entrance strategy like it just seems like a lot of people on our own side and the other side all sides died for seemingly nothing if if we're just back at where we were 20 years ago that was kind of her trying to wrestle with her thoughts and thinking about people she had seen die over there and just like the people of Afghanistan who she had met out in the middle of fucking nowhere that like had nothing had no running water had like simple lacerations

that we could just put like peroxide on in band-aids that could turn deadly for people over there because of how little they had and just describing the imagery of everything that was going on through her brain watching the Capitol fall. And also, and this has nothing new with her blog, but like if if someone took down D.C., I don't know that I would be like, well, America's done. Like, I don't know how that would necessarily affect me immediately in Maine. Do you get what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah. But I think the problem is the Taliban like now has control over the majority of the country. Yeah, it was like several cities. Definitely. there right yeah like definitely they had already taken half the country and then the capital was kind of

like the last straw now like everyone is just trying to get out i mean i saw i think back in 2020 or at some point trump met with the taliban and like 18 okay and like he was like if we remove troops you guys agree to like no longer harbor terrorists and uh they had a little handshake agreement who knows if that's going to be the case but regardless of of whether they're harboring terrorists it's like it's definitely not a great place to live with them in control because i know females have like zero rights under taliban control they're pretty much just forced into becoming wives to reproduce and that's like their only kind of purpose under the taliban yeah i typed in like uh just trying to like a surface level research like what do

they want though like is that do they have any demands and i typed in taliban mission statement i don't know i they just they're frequently asked questions on their website uh what are you guys about over there what's the deal yeah i just don't know enough about this yeah yeah i mean it is it's a government and more so than like a um terrorist group like it was funny back when the russians were in Afghanistan, the U.S. government was actually funding the Taliban because we were like, all right, we're going to help the Taliban beat the Russians. And then that came back to bite us in the ass. But yeah, no, I think their main mission is just to have control of the country. Well, they want a caliphate, right? Because I saw they, like, they said they officially renamed it,

like the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan or something, I think, today. Okay. Like, that's, that's the goal, right? Well, that was the goal of, the goal of ISIS. Like, they wanted to kind of, like, unite the entire Middle East, turn it into a new caliphate. That was, like, like, they wanted the caliphate's main goal to be, to take down the U.S. I don't know if the Taliban wants control outside of Afghanistan, but just like you, I'm not really read up on it. Yeah, so this says yesterday, the Taliban is declared the Islamic Emirate of Africa. Afghanistan from the presidential palace in Kabul.

An official for the militant group says that was the name of the country under the Taliban government ousted by U.S.-led forces in 2001. Yeah. So in their eyes, they just went they ship back. Yeah, I guess, yeah. Did you guys ever read that book, Kite Runner? It's like a really, really popular. No, I remember.

I remember the cover. I have never read it, though. Yeah. In the book, they talked like a lot of the Taliban. would take on like a 12 year old boy sort of like sex toy which there was very fucked up like it seemed they're like very anti gay and anti homosexual but then at the same time they'd like see it like as not gay to have a 12 year old boy as a play thing so just it's very weird redraw the boundaries of what gay means yeah like it's not gay if i'm just like playing around

like a 12 year old boy that's not gay it's not like i'm having sex with another man I just like this 12 year old boy sucks me off sometimes it's chill hella weird yeah but uh another news um did you y'all see tim tibo as a tight end not good not good yo I don't want to bang that tim tibo is a good drum but it's like I don't understand how he gets a job like

somebody can explain that to me he he is like the ultimate contestant on pros versus Joe's like he's the best Joe we've ever seen and he just keeps to keep like he's going to be in the NBA in a year or two like I'm sure he'll get hockey at a world he's just not particularly good at any of these sports like at the college level yeah he's real good I think that's we can all agree on that although I don't I don't know about the SEC bias from some of you but I I don't get it I don't get how we just like he had what I think it annoys me the most he had this great job as a commentator that will still be sitting there waiting oh no question and he just still wants to keep going out there like you can speak to

this better than us like there's nothing i want to do less in this world than an NFL uh uh training camp like nothing worse worse shit worse in the world but like i like i was part of me respects like he's he's like you know following his dreams and like stuff like that but i guess what i guess what the thing I don't like about it, he's always like, you know, there's people out there that are hating. And that's just part of it, dog. And like, the shit that you try to do is like, it's, it's,

the criticism is warranted. Like, my man sent me a clip of him, like, blocking at tight end. And it's like, yo, you got to, you got to be a dog at tight end. Like, you got to, you have to hit, like, unless you're receiving tight in. And then you have to still be okay, right? You started getting the way.

But he, you could just tell he don't want no smoke. and football that ain't what that's for like you got to be able to mix it up and I guess it's just like I guess the what makes them such an easy target is his fandom like if you say anything bad about Tebow you know they come swarming like it's fucking hilarious though big T are you in the teambo camp so I'm not like a Tim Tebow stand but I do think that I've said before like you like I appreciate it but like a lot of the reasons people don't like him. Hold on. Hold on. Did you say he like his face? Faith. F-A-I-T-H. Yeah. He said, I appreciate it. So I think a lot of those, pretty good. I think some of the reasons people

don't like him are unfair. So I've always like, I rooted for him. Like, if he, if he would have gone out there and killed it, like, I think that'd have been awesome. But he, he doesn't have it. I did say, though, I do think it would be hilarious. I think their first round of cuts her tomorrow or like, this will come out on Tuesday. So today. I do think it'd be hysterical if he if he made it just past the first round of cuts because people will absolutely lose their shit and then we definitely will hysterical to what you think absolutely there's no way he makes there's no way after that if he does it's pure nepotism it's on the team now he's like Kelvin Benjamin Calvin Benjamin was what the Giants for all of 12

minutes before they sent him home like that's what should have happened here but you can give him a shot and then once he plays that first preseason game now you have have to get rid of them. I find it very incomprehensible that urban, if this were a real coach, yes, it's urban. That's completely fair. He's not cut, like he might cut Tim Tebow when the time comes.

He doesn't need to make him one of the first cuts. Because that makes him look bad too for even bringing in this clown show in the first place. I think the thing that aggravates me most about Tebow right now, this is what everyone was telling him to do. When did he get drafted? A decade ago? Yeah, 2009.

Nine. Yeah, nine. Like, that was the time to try out this whole H-back shit when he was 22 and could have probably progressed naturally into that. I'm not saying it would have worked for sure, but dude had been throwing the ball like he was skipping rocks down at the local pond. Yeah, that's just tough.

It's a tough situation all around because he's not like an inherently bad dude that we know of, right? I'm always skeptical of cats like that though, like probably got a body in the closet or some shit like that. But like he's not a bad, A bad dude, he's, you know, he tries to do the right thing all the time. But it's like, yo, you're not good.

And so if you speak against him not being good, then it's like, oh, you're a hater. I'm like, no, man, you're like, but you do get tired of the hype around the shit. You know what I'm saying? It's like, I don't want to hear about that shit. Yeah. But if you tell me about it, I'm going to tell you how I feel about it. Did you ever play against him in the NFL? Yeah.

What was the week leading up to that like, where you guys was like, well, this is, easy win. Nah, because we lost that game. Because, no, we had our own struggle. So,

like, I don't want to throw people on the bus, but we had like a top five offense, but like our defense was just giving it up. And so, like we couldn't stop anybody. And so like we,

like literally, I remember one of our meetings, we were like, you know, it was like my midway point of the season. And the coach goes, look,

we know what's going on. He's like, y'all just continue to do your job. And like, our goal was to like score 30, like, or else we might lose. And so, like, but it was, I mean, it was nothing like, he's not feared in NFL locker rooms. He was never feared in NFL.

So it was like, it was just like people get tired of the hype. Maybe that made people gun for him a little bit more, actually. Was it 2010? Yeah. So you, you had 91 yards in a touchdown on 19 carries. He was 16 of 29 for 308, a touchdown in a pick. So not atrocious. That's tough for the Texans.

I want to tell you that that was that was our problem that was our problem it's like so like I was that was like when bail count backs was still a thing I think Derek Henry still holding it down but like so like I was getting like 25 30 carries a game and so like I only had 19 that means we was just behind so is what is what it is what it is y'all no y'all were up 23 to 10 going into the fourth quarter they scored say what they scored 14 that's team unanswered in the fourth quarter team oh yeah that was teambo time yeah that was teambo time yeah Yeah, he threw a 23-yard touchdown pass at a six-yard touchdown run in the fourth quarter. Yeah, that still makes sense, actually. You got T-boned. Yeah, we did. I didn't. I don't play deep in.

I don't think I've ever been happier than him throwing that touchdown against the Steelers, knowing that Denver had to come to New England next week. Like, I just usually I could pencil the Patriots into the AFC Championship, but never more so than that year. The funnier shit ever was that he had 316 yards that game. She was fucking hilarious.

And his favorite Bible code is John 316. Oh, yeah. And so it's like, it was like the twist of fate, God instead of feeding hungry children made Tebow this fucking amazing playoff performance. I remember. Go ahead, go ahead. I was just going to say, I remember that touchdown to Demarius Thomas was the, the most tweeted about event, like, per second until Beyonce showed up pregnant.

I can't remember where that was if it was at, like, at the Grammys or something like that. The VMAs. The VMAs. Until that point, the most tweeted about thing ever was Tim Tebow throwing that pass to the marriage is Thomas. Like, just very funny. It's so fun. He's so polarizing. Like, it's fun to talk about Tim Tebow.

Because, like, I think it's, like I said, I think it's his fandom. His fans get so pissed when you talk about. So it's almost like you're trolling. Like it's fun to do. Yeah, even when you're not. Like I, and Tebow brings a lot of it on himself because even when he was in college, the whole virginity thing, whether he was or wasn't, just the fact that it was like a thing to talk about.

Like you can't, there's no one else I could remember discussing that about. You know what it is too? This is what I think is. It's so rare to have like the most like the most popular college athlete being like, I'm not having sex. Yeah. Yeah.

I hope it works. I hope it worked. Is he still, he's married now? Yeah, he's married. Also, he got it in. You got it. Um, I think he was putting it in the butt even, even before. You think he like, the Mormon virgins? Oh, yeah. Yeah, he was like, yeah, he was still, he was still having some fun, just not, he wasn't coming inside girls. I don't know, man. I know a dude, I know a dude who was like super like Uber Christian. He's really, one of my really good friends, actually. We always had religious debates, but,

he was like he he he was a virgin so he was married and he doesn't masturbate like he was like dead and like I'm unsure how much I believe him but like he at least stuck to his guns like it was no cameras around it was just that's talking and he was like nah this is what it is and even though he was flaming him like he still stuck so I respect it you know what I respect it but I just I don't know what's the longest you guys have gone about masturbating at all oh Because I remember the last time I tried that, it was sometime during the second week, and I just had a wet dream. I just like, if you're not touching it, like something has to come out.

And I hadn't had a wet dream in like 10 years. Then I just took a break from masturbating. Pretty sure I came my pants. I've never had a wet dream. I actually envy that because all my potential wet dreams end up, I end up waking up or I don't end up something in the dream interrupts to. process like yeah no that's annoying but I don't think I've gone longer than maybe like a week and a half maybe yeah but it's not on purpose to think it's just it is good they have said

there's a lot of health benefits to not masturbating all the time what are these I don't know you have like more motivation in life you have more focus uh you have a little more pep in your step yeah I believe you have more testosterone if you tone it back a bit like yeah I used to have a friend who said like he would never masturbate before he had a big sports game i think he was a football player and he was like yeah because if i like beat off before a big game i don't have like i'm not as competitive like i'm not as hyped up i don't know if that's true or not i mean it wasn't for me yeah i mean i i got before every game like not in the locker room or anything but like the night before i yeah you in a hotel room that just is what it is things happened yeah yeah yeah

I don't know, man. What was that? Like, don't come, like, the, for boxers. You had, you cut out. Yeah, you cut out. What did you say? My bet. I was saying for, like, that's the big boxer mentality.

Is it, like, don't, like, come at all for, like, pretty much your whole camp up, up leading up to the fight? Oh, yeah. I've heard of that. Yeah, I've heard of that. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know. of testosterone when you're not, when you're not jacking off all the time? I don't know. It's possible. I don't, I haven't, uh,

it'd be funny if you have, like, lower levels of testosterone if you're jacking off all the time, but if you're just having sex all the time, like, then it, like, your,

your T levels are high. I don't know if that's the case, but yeah, I don't, I don't know enough about it. I would, uh, I would assume so.

I guess if sperm has anything to do with testosterone. I don't know. Big T, can you look that up? Uh, yeah, I was looking, looking into it it does say like you have a higher testosterone level i think but i don't know how

reputable this health line dot com i i just looked it up and it says that in both men and women testosterone levels are highest after intercourse okay but it doesn't but about that so so you so you're so well i mean has masturbation different to intercourse yeah that's that's it because it doesn't isn't it like it's a second Same goal. It says sex boosts testosterone, but it doesn't say the same about masturbation. But isn't it like, aren't there like science, like, or isn't there science behind, like, sex, like, doesn't, it, like, releases, like, dopamine and stuff, too, right? When you have sex?

Yeah. Yeah, for sure. So I wonder, I feel like, I mean, I am, I don't. But it should when you masturbate as well. Oh, it does. I've had masturbation. That was that. I've had masturbation sessions that were better than sex.

So it's like, I don't think, I don't think it's the chemical interaction with another body. I think it's just the release of whatever your excretions are. I could be wrong. Porn's like it's becoming too good, they say, or you have like kids these days that are just consuming so much porn. So then when they're actually having sex with a woman, they're like not as excited. Because they're the kid, they're just used to like watching the most absurd shit. in porn. And then when they're just, you know, having just normal sex, like I think it's becoming a problem. That's like Japan. Nobody has sex anymore. Yeah. I have people to have kids.

Yes. Yeah. I mean, the whites are declining. That's true. Arian was very excited about that in the macro dosing group chat. Hold on. I wasn't excited. I was just like, you know, I was, I was, I was saying my condoneses. I was saying my condososos. Yeah, prayers up for the for the whites in the in the country, man. You know, Tucker Carlson. right now is pissed that nigga mad as fuck what is this japan people uh japanese people don't have sex what is this they like all the young men in japan are like so anti-social and they watch so much crazy porn that like none of them can get with a girl and their population is declining very hard

and like the government is trying all these things to get them to like have kids and like they just won't part of the reason is they just feel like having a girlfriend and getting married is too much pressure because in japan when you get a girlfriend like you're expected to know uh buy them a car find them an apartment and they just can't handle the stress so they're like you know what i'm just gonna hang out in my room play video games watch a little porn um and so they have uh in japan they have cuddle cafes i don't know if if you knew about that like all the men there just starved for affection that they have a place

where you can go and just like pay money to cuddle with a girl for 20 minutes no sex or anything you just lie in a bed you can pay extra to hug each other or you just lie in a bed and just like spoon each other for 20 minutes that's the sad of shit

it is kind of sad yeah and like a huddle cafe and a lot of them follow these groups they're called Japanese idols and it's these girl bands. So instead of having a girlfriend, they'll just become obsessed with these girl groups and they'll go like see them in concert. When I was in Japan, I actually went to one of these concerts. And it's a group of like 20 year old girls singing on stage. And everyone in the

crowd was like a 40 to 50 year old man. And and they knew all the dance moves. They knew like all the lyrics of the song. And like they're just like instead of having a girlfriend, they'll kind just be like this girl in the band is my girlfriend and i'm going to go to all of her shows that's fucking weird so they're like fetishizing because reality is not it's just too much pressure that makes sense because i went to japan in 2018 i think um and the culture was so dope because it was nothing like i ever experienced because everybody in america is pretty much an asshole um and super selfish but when i went there the first thing i did was like you y'all want to go to a McDonald's in Japan.

And so I went to McDonald's. And the fucking care that my guy brought my double quarter pounder with was fucking unreal. He just was like, it was just like so respectful, right? And it was like that the entire trip. Like they wouldn't let me like I bought some clothes or some store. They wouldn't let me carry it out. I carried it all the way back. They carried it all the way to the front door, saw me off at the door, gave it to me.

And then as I'm leaving, they're waving and bowing until they see me disappear. I'm like, what the fuck is this? And then I went to like Kyoto, uh, Kyoto, which is like more of a traditional Japanese culture and not like Tokyo's kind of westernized. But, uh, so Kyoto's like, I woke up early just walking the streets and there's people sweeping the streets like downtown Kyoto. There's no fucking trash anywhere. Yeah.

And so I was, I was talking to this dude who was from, um, Italy and he set up a bar there. And he was saying like how people there, they're so, uh, afraid of dishonoring their family. that they just put pressure and social pressure on themselves for everything, whether it's business or school or whatever the case may be. And so that absolutely plays into what you're talking about, which is wild. And then I came back to America as soon as I land, like everybody just goes at here. We're like, this lady, we asked, yo, how do I get here? Like me and my man went out there.

So I was like, yo, how do we get to this place? She left her stop, right? Got on the train with us, saw us out and said, it's over here. And I was like, bro, that was nowhere near. Like, you didn't have to do any of this. And then she got back on another train and then continued her day, which is wild. So when I landed back into America, I asked the dude, I was like, yo, which way is the, um, uh, the flight from, from Tokyo, which ways the, the carousel?

He goes, I don't know. And he said, look at the sign. I was like, bro. Yeah. This is not the same, bro. I saw the same thing there. Yeah. I mean, it's the best food I've ever had because it's just like, they put so much time and

attention. Like every meal has to be perfect. But yeah, I was, I was eating in a McDonald's there. and I had to walk across the street. So I asked a Japanese guy. I was like, can you just watch my computer? And he was like, yeah, sure. I leave for 10 minutes.

I come back and he was still just like staring at my computer. So when I said, can you watch my computer? Like, he thought it meant like I cannot take my eyes off this computer for 10 minutes. Wow. Yeah. But even if I hadn't have told him and I just like left my laptop in a McDonald's, I could have left for a half hour. Like no one would have stolen it.

Yeah. Yeah. They had like such little crime because they're so. much shame attached to it like no one wants to deal with the shame of being convicted of a crime if they can if they can figure out a way to reel that back a bit i think they'll have everything figured out right now it feels like there's a little bit too much shame to the point where they're too afraid to procreate yeah so if they can reel that back just a smidge i think they're really they're going to find that zone and really take over and that's a great way to do that is like

psilocybin mushrooms. Oh, shit. I get an A plus for that segue. That's pretty good, right? Yeah. Honestly, really dope. That was better than the Taliban Tim Tebow segue. Oh, that was a pure halt of this.

I don't know, I don't know shit about. We were talking about 12-year-old boys. It was getting too weird. Yeah, so I had to, anyway, Teebo's a tight-in now. Yeah. Yeah, but no, honestly, man, psilocybin mushrooms could absolutely reel that back. a little bit because I will in in for the reasons why we'll we'll get into but is anybody

I want to unless anybody else wants to I'll get into the history the modern history of it anyway if anybody else wants to chime in I'm yeah I'll relinquish um go ahead I know some of the ancient history I guess um perfect where were you going to start with them I was gonna I was gonna I was gonna start when the Western world kind of caught wind of him in 1955 okay yeah that's a really cool story too I guess yeah well just I can I can quickly go over, like, how long people think that humans have been using them. So there were even cave paintings they found in Northern Africa that were painted in 9,000 BC that they think, like, show people consuming magic mushrooms or like, that's what they've,

that's what they think the murals mean. Like, they aren't 100% sure. But, yeah, it's like these cave paintings and it shows these humans like holding a mushroom and it's like in a very sacred setting. And what we know for sure, though, is like the Aztecs used them a lot. Because when the Spanish came over, Cortez and stuff, they like observed. It was usually only the elite. But every time they had a religious festival, the elites would just be consuming this type of mushroom that they called Tio.

Let's see, it was called Tio nanocatal or Tio. I don't know. I can't pronounce it, but it translates to flesh of the gods. So it's kind of similar to how when you're Catholic, you like consume a wafer. That's supposed to be the body of God, right? The body of Christ? Correct. Yeah. So they were kind of using these during religious festivals, but instead of it just being a wafer, it's not going to make you feel anything. This shit would actually make you see God. If they were given out psilocybin at church instead of the crackers and wine, I just soul would have been there, bro. Yeah, without a doubt. 100%. And a scary thing is that they would also give shrooms to the people they were going to sacrifice because human sacrifice was big amongst the Aztecs. So they would like pump these people full of shrooms, take them to the top of the temple,

then put them on a stone, cut out their heart that's still beating, and then throw them down the steps of the temple. And I just think, like, if you were tripping on shrooms during that, had to be the most terrifying experience ever. No question. Yeah. But yeah. Apocalypse.

Has anybody seen apocalyptic? Yes. Yeah. That was, and it had a really crazy scene with that. Yeah. That's got to be up there on worst possible ways. Yeah.

No, I think I would, that's right up there. It cracks my top three. But yeah, they would kind of just use them for parties too. Like, I don't think if you were one of the common folk, maybe you weren't supposed to be doing them,

but all of the, like, all the noblemen of the Aztecs during the festivals, they would like make it into a drink, like a coffee mushroom drink, and then just start to trip balls, either laugh or cry or just stare off into the distance. And, yeah, I mean, the Spanish, they were kind of creeped out by this. And so they officially banned it, you know, after they had only probably, like, after they had conquered the Aztecs, like one of the first laws was no more taking shrooms. And that's why, like, people slowly forgot about them because it's just the Catholic Church, like, wanted them suppressed. Probably because, like, if, like, everyone of all the Europeans started doing shrooms,

it'd be like, fuck, like, I don't, like, have experiences like this when I'm eating the wafers, you know? Why are we eating wafers? Why are we not eating trumes? So, yeah, it was kind of, suppressed and the usage of the shrooms went underground for like hundreds of years and that brings us

to 1951 right does and a little bit before that honestly so in 1920 I think 29 I believe it was so it's funny to me so right now the DEA

has psilocybin scheduled as a class one drug which is like they find no medical use for it right which is nonsense is propaganda because the war on drugs obviously the drugs are winning the war on drugs money like so it's like

it's it's a it's 21 it's 21 zero right now they've got to get off the sticks so it's like in 1920 there's a doctor that found out I think it's from a from a mold from a fungus they actually develop penicillin from it

all right and so fungus in general is is fascinating. So like fungus is um it's they they kind of change the way we classify uh in the kingdom like when they life yeah. Yeah, where they classified life. And so it used to be just plants and animals, right? And so somebody started studying mushrooms and they and they realized that it doesn't have all the characteristics of plants because plants can photosynthesize. Plants can get their food from, uh, they can develop their food themselves, right? with photosynthesis yeah fungus can't do that mushrooms can't do that so what they do is they

take organic matter and and re i don't know what the fuck they do but they they eat off of it there's a prettier way to uh phrase that but and just like and just like animals they consume they consume oxygen and then release carbon dioxide yep yep and so um in 19 this is where i got a little more interesting um in 19 uh 55, I believe it, in 1950, yeah, in 1955, there was a, what is this guy's name? I wrote it down. Is it, is it, is it Gordon Wasan? Yeah.

Are Gordon was on? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he, he wrote a time article, Madik magazine from his experience in, it's called, it's called Life magazine, I'm sorry, it's seeking the magic mushroom and described his first experience consuming the mushroom, following the, uh, following the, the, uh, following the The valeda of a shaman back in 1955, and her name was, oh, what is her name? I wrote that shit down, too. Shit, she's really famous.

She's one of the most, she was like a known shaman in Mexico. I forget her name. Forgive me, and everybody on her, oh, frienda, forgive me for not remembering her name. Yeah. She was, she was, so this was a well-known practice. Valeta was like a well-known practice where it was kind of like a spiritual, it was. a spiritual, just like you said, it was like known as the flesh of the gods, right? It was like how people like connected to their spiritual deity. And it was like a well-known practice in Mexico

and he was that dude that you mentioned. He was the first like foreigner, like Western that came in and she introduced him to him. And he ended up writing a life article about it, which brought a whole bunch of other people to try to investigate, like see what it was all about. Yeah. And so she She actually got shunned from her community because they were like, why did you let these white folks in? Yeah, because then just like white people were showing up down in Mexico being like, hey, can I have some of the shrooms you gave that guy? And like, yeah, became like all the hippies used to go down just trying to find them. Yep, 100%. And then so in 1959, Swiss chemist Albert Hoffman isolated the active principal in celibin, the spores.

And so he marketed and sold pure celibin to physicians and clinicians. like worldwide for like psychedelic and like psychotherapy yeah so even back then they were trying to reintroduce it for like anxiety depression things like that um schizophrenia stuff like that um and because of its effects um uh people started uh banning it all over the place so we banned it we banned it here um but in this within the 60s and 70s there was like a reintroduction of it because uh that was like the the drug era right the the woodstock era the free love era and and everybody started to like reintroduce it into their colloquial use of of drugs and so that kind of sparked the cultural use of it again and then so up to the day just to bring us up to date um it's still a

class one drug it's still scheduled as a class one drug um so fuck the DEA right except in Oregon right I think, I think they, they're allowed to do clinical studies on it. Okay. Yeah, it's decriminalized in Oregon, however, that isn't, that doesn't supersede the federal law. Federal, right. Just like how legal states of marijuana, the DEA can kind of shut that shit down whenever they want. Yeah. Before we get back into the episode, I want to talk to you about three cheat.

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right right and so and so there has so there's now been studies done um legally um that are reintroducing mushrooms into like the the aspect of medicine as far as like treating clinical depression anxiety stuff like that phobias um actually had a addiction as well addiction a hundred percent yeah i had a i had a trip scheduled to i think it was john hopkins um the study. I had a trip schedule. They all excited. I was going to do like this. I was going to film it and everything. But then the pandemic hit because they were doing research. And so yeah, and I just haven't reconvened with them. I wonder if they're still able to do it. But yeah, so that brings us up to date with like the history of it. And there's a lot more. But I think the

interesting thing is the experience of it. We can talk about the schematics of it and what fungus is and all this experience of it to me is mind-blowing. And I don't know who all has I know Big T, you're a big mushroom user, but aside from you, who all has done it. Yeah, I think all of us here have. Yeah. Bang. Okay. I feel like we should talk about the experiences because that, to me, is the magic of it.

We should. I have one crazy fact about Gordon Wassan. He was the guy who wrote the article for life. He was a VP at J.P. Morgan. And then just in his free time, he just loved shrooms. And this was before he, like, even knew about magic shrooms. But he was an amateur mushroom scientist. I feel like that's just so weird to be the VP of like a big bank.

And then in your free time, just like just enjoying researching shrooms. And so, yeah, like once he heard about that tribe down in Mexico that was using them and their religious rituals, he was like, I got to go try that. And yeah, thanks to him, that's like his article in life. Yeah, that's what coined the term magic mushrooms and made it huge. Interestingly enough, I don't know how much truth is to this, but the reason why that woman got ousted was because they were saying, because you introduced it to people who aren't using it for the reasons that we use it, it's healing properties don't aren't as powerful. So they said that they used to use it to like heal people like for real. And I mean, I don't know how much truth to that is.

Yeah, because then people were just using it for fun. yeah yeah and do you guys know timothy leary he sounds familiar he was the harvard professor who was doing a lot of the research on psychedelics at first but he was just like he got so gung-ho about it he was like everybody needs to take acid everybody has to do shrooms and he started feeding it to his students like to the undergrads at harvard and um he had like that he was eventually fired from harvard because of that. Was this the electric Kool-Aid?

I think he was involved in that. Yeah, somehow. And a lot of people blame him for like why the drugs got banned. Because everybody was like using it for therapy purposes, scientific purposes. And he was just like, every young person in the country needs to start doing a bunch of shrooms, a bunch of acid. And he terrified the government. And they were like, this is getting out of hand.

So even though he's seen as like a hero of psychedelics, now a lot of people look back and they're like he's the reason it was it was banned because he was just being like trying to force everyone to take it as he should have yeah before it's time so I honestly I got lucky right so like I grew up in a small town um in Albuquerque New Mexico I don't know so I was yes I was born and so like there's nothing to do there except drugs right and so like the drug scene was huge and so it's like I remember I moved to San Diego and by that time I had already done like a whole bunch of different drugs. I was like 15 when I moved and, uh, you know, like just having conversations amongst the kids. And I'm like, yo, y'all, I was like,

you know, I kind of square. Like, y'all have never tried any of this shit. And they were like, man, I was just weed and alcohol. And I was like, damn, but it was just so prevalent from where I grew up. It was like, and so that was one of the things. So like when I was like 12, 13, I tried mushrooms. And it was just because everybody was doing it. I had a little peer pressure going on. So I did it. But I think I got lucky because, I mean, have you, I mean, I think about, Have you ever met a close-minded individual that has done psilocybin or LSD or any kind of like it's just a rare thing? Because I think that what that actually does is it opens your mind into seeing the world

and you're not the center of the universe. And I had a very powerful experience. But I would love to hear y'all experiences and I'll dive into mine a little bit more. But I really want to hear y'all experiences about it. Yeah. I mean, I have had a handful. of experiences. The very first time I took them, I was in high school. I actually broke my nose. Me and my brother were wrestling and it was just like a play fight and his knee hit my nose and I broke

it. But yeah, it wasn't actually that terrifying. He just set it back in place. We had a frozen juice box that I put on it and that was fine. Then I enjoyed the rest, the rest of the trip. the uh yeah i mean have you guys ever had bad trips yeah but it wasn't um i like i know people who are like yo i trip bad but like my bad trip what i considered a bad trip was more so of like i was scared of what i was seeing yeah so i wasn't i wasn't used to what i was seeing so it it scared me yeah yeah what they say is like when you take shrooms, it's good to think about the set and the setting. So the set means like, what's your goal? What do you want to accomplish? And the setting is like, make sure you do it

in a nice environment with people that you know and trust. And so I would say, I think the only time I've had a bad experience, it was just like a rainy Thursday night in college. And we were just boards. We were like, oh, let's just eat shrooms. And then you eat trumes when you're stuck in this tiny apartment. And like, I was just like, this sucks. Like, I wish I wasn't tripping right now. but anytime you know i've done it outside the weather's been nice in thailand they have these bars and they sell shroom shakes and it's pretty much just like shrooms ice and bananas thrown thrown the blender and um yeah like i you like show up on those bars you drink two of the shakes and you are feeling great and Thailand is just a beautiful place to do shrooms 100% that

that's what they say with mushrooms and um uh uh LSD yeah it's they say it's like it's not even DMT right like when you talk to people who are like into DMT what they'll tell you is like or ayahuasca right if they'll tell you it's like it's like it's like it's not like a drug it's not like you don't do it like for like to go to a party and get fucked up like you can but like it's it's it's it's so much deeper than that like it's like you said the set in the setting like setting your intentions and really um putting yourself in an environment where you can be open minded and I also have a spotter if it's your first time um but uh that allows you like to like i said it before on this podcast but uh doing it makes

me feel like i'm a part of the world and not just in it in existing inside of it like i'm a part of it like i'm actually thriving with this place that i occupy and to me that's the most powerful thing because it's humbling as fuck it's like i think we get caught in a day-to-day rat race so much that i got to get up i're going to make money and i got to do this i got to do this as you really forget that you're a part of this beautiful thing that is the universe. And I know I sound hella hippie-ish saying that shit, but it's the truth. Like, I truly believe, yeah, I truly believe, dog, if they didn't have so much light pollution, like, if we just, as a world, decided, like, I cut off the lights one day a year, right? And people could really actually

look at the stars. It would change the perceptions of how they view themselves and how they view each other inside it, because it's just, it's breathtaking. Like, when you look at the, the, the, the way and you're just sitting it's fucking breathtaking and i think mushrooms and all those psychoactive drugs allow you to feel that without seeing that and it's it's beautiful 100% yeah i've had very similar experiences you just feel like everything is one instead of just normally you just feel like it's me and it's them it's me and it's this thing and then you just like it slows things down for you and you just feel like everything's connected and it yeah it sounds cliche but it's the truth I think that's where your your mind state plays a big part too

because if you're really depressed and you go into it either alone or with dickhead friends that you weren't that close with who want to play like pranks and shit like that like you'll have a really bad trip and you'll think of like the inverse of that you'll think of the opposite you can start thinking like how insignificant you are like there are a lot of positives but I do think like Ariam saying like with a spotter like I do think it's smart to do it with someone who's done it before and someone that you trust immensely so that they can if you do start going down the wrong path they can get you out of that pretty quick like

i remember it wasn't the first time i did it but one of the times i did it me and my boy uh both just like eight and i think we either split an eighth or we both eight and eighth and we were just like these aren't working and so we shut off the lights and we turned on the warriors in that opening scene where they show the Coney Island Ferris wheel and it's just very eerie music. I got third brain, which I don't know if any of you have experienced third brain, but that's when you get

three different perspectives going on at once. So I got my normal perspective that I'm seeing out of my eyes right now. I got another perspective where I was up in the corner of my room looking down at the entire room. I can't remember where the third one was. I might have been just looking at myself. I can't remember. But that prompted me, and we were both being quiet

because obviously they had hit at the same time. So we turned on the lights and we were both just like, yeah, that was probably the wrong way to go about this. And then we got each other out of it and we were able to get back onto a more normal trip where we were just kind of like laughing and looking at weird shit online. Like it was a very mellow trip after that.

But if we hadn't had that experience of doing it, And also, I don't know about you guys, but I was always told, like, oh, yeah, you just eat an eighth. Steeds, caps, all of, uh, seeds, stems, caps, all of it. Just chew the eighth. And now, like, I feel like people are taking them much more responsibly with, with microdosing and like, oh, yeah, just, just nibble a couple and like, don't go down this weird rabbit hole for seven, six, seven hours. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, no, it's almost more fun if you just take a little bit sometimes. Definitely. Yeah. Because I, I don't know, like, I always had the. the misconception of mushrooms and acid almost like conflated like mushrooms to me always seem like the lighter of the two and I still don't think that's true because of how deep you can get in your own mind like we've been talking about like mushrooms can really like set you up for a lifetime of a different thought process whereas acid's a lot more just like visceral you know what I mean like it's it's a lot more colors changing shit moving avoid mirrors stuff like that it's a much longer trip. Yeah. But I don't think it's as deep mentally and can can really hit your your conscience

and your subconscious like mushrooms can. I'd agree with that. That's interesting. So because when you said that, I was like, nah, acid is probably worse because it's just a long trip. But you're saying just because of the implications of the self-realization that it's, it's not as strong. Yeah.

I, like I go back and forth with this because acid. I don't know acid's just such an aggressive name for a drug to make it seem like LSD's fine but I've really never heard anyone like call it like point at it and call it that like it's always acid yeah doses but it's like it feels so much more mushrooms it's like I can get that on fucking pizza like I don't know acid acid needs to rebrand big time yeah for people to start taking that a little bit more lightly yeah I know some people who will do shrooms but won't take acid because they're like shrooms are grown from the earth

they're grown from cow shit and then but acid's like made in the lap so it freaks them out they like I only want to do something that's all natural but the same thing the same thing with acid you don't have to take a full tap you know you can just take a quarter tap that's where I think the illegality too makes this stuff a lot worse and scarier than it really is

because since you are breaking a law, since you can't get it, and I'm not like necessarily for like the government selling this shit to us either. But I do think like, I know like in Portugal and what Oregon's trying out right now, like I do think there are ways to get it. And so that people aren't overdosing. I always make it seem like death, but overdosing on acid, you're going to be stuck like that for like a week. Yeah, that is.

The problem. Yes. Yeah, there is like, so I'm going to be responsible a little bit. I mean, not everybody can, like, do, like, hero doses and, and experience it to the max because there are cases where, you know, psychosis ensues, shit like that. It's really rare, but another aspect, right, to counteract that, though, as well, but I just had to, that's a disclaimer, but to counteract that, it's extreme, like, to overdose on psilocybin, is just not a thing like you just can't do it and so um that to me in itself um as long as

the promise it there's like there's literally studies that are starting to come out that say that can help with depression anxiety so like those two factors those two factors in itself should should we should revisit it ASAP in with the DA and in this class schedule one drug because I mean shit we literally sell tobacco on alcohol knowing how many people that kills a year right and this doesn't kill anybody. And so it's like, that's the depressive part, in my opinion, because it has so much potential. It has so much potential.

Yeah, like. Sorry, Donnie. It has so much potential to get the big farm fucking out of the paint with antidepressants and stuff like that. So there's a lot of money behind keeping this shit very illegal. It's not as simple as like, hey, look at the science. Because, yeah, no shit. It's irrefutable.

You can't refutable. And when I say overdose, I don't mean like, oh, someone's going to die. I do mean like, oh, you're going to get way too deep in yourself and maybe not find out some stuff you like about yourself. Yeah. So they do say if you have like a family history of schizophrenia or like a family history of bipolar disorder, then like those are times when you shouldn't really be fooling around with them much.

But that's only in like rare cases. They aren't seeing a lot of negative side effects unless you like already. have a family history then you have to be careful um but yeah i mean a lot of antidepressants don't work that well they have some negative side effects and the research they've been doing they're like shrooms are actually like more effective in treating depression than all of the antidepressants that are on the market and it's crazy that they can do it once like you can go in for shroom therapy and they've seen it will like have positive effects for the next year after after only doing it once. So it's not like, oh, you got to be taking shrooms every week for it to work.

Yep. And then to me, that's the beauty. And that's, that's to me why I feel like, um, so like my family, I grew up, I grew up Muslim, right? I grew up Muslim and we pray five times a day to the east and all that shit. Um, and so when I took these mushrooms, it changed my entire perspective, um, about everything that I believed in. And so, like, I started questioning what the who and what I was talking to and who I was branch. I started questioning that thing. I was a skeptic at a real young age. And I believe this facilitated it because it helped me see the world in a different way. It helped me see an entirely different perspective. And like, I'm a member of society. Like, how can I be

a productive member? What does it mean to be a productive member? I'm having these thoughts at like 12, 13 years old. And what does it mean to be religious? Like, who are we talking to? I haven't heard anything back. Like, why am I doing when I haven't heard anything? And so like these kind of thoughts, I'm having as a young kid, and I think that the majority of our society doesn't have that self-awareness. So at least doesn't, and this is probably a sound a little area, but at least doesn't have the tools to be able to critically critique their own value system and their belief system. And they kind of just go along with what everybody around them tells them to. And I sound super cliche saying that, but I honestly think it's the truth. Like how many people obviously sit around and think about like, all right, what kind of shit do I think?

And is it, is it, is it effective? Is it true? And like how much truth can it be in it? And like those kind of things, I feel like it's going to do nothing but aid our society. And this is why I feel so strongly about psychedelics is because it forces you to look at yourself in a way that society and the way it's structure does it. And that's the beauty in it. Yeah.

What do you think, Big T? Have we sold you on shrooms yet? No, but I'm curious. I'm very interested. What's your biggest hesitations? I know you're not like a big libations guy in the first place, but for this specifically, what are your biggest hesitations?

It just seems very foreign. Like, like, Not America. Do you have a problem with forms? Okay. See, here's where this show gets off the rules. Like, it just seems super. I don't know how to describe it.

Here, Mexicans were doing it. He was like, no, thanks. Stop this. Stop this. It just seems super. weird like when you're talking about you see three three different perspectives of like you watching a movie like that just seems like something it's trippy yeah i would just prefer to watch it uh just with my eyes you know i'll keep it to one perspective i don't know like i um i don't know

it's are you worried you're going to take it and be like you know what chick filet isn't that good i'm not worried no Tennessee why do i root for this school I've come to that The Popeye's chicken sandwich is better Um, no, that's that's flagrantly inaccurate But it's not bro my God You're saying Popeye's is or isn't It's a hundred of us

It's flavored, it has flavor Yeah, Popeyes is better Anyway What I'm trying to think What the thing you described That I meant to ask you about And now I can't Which one of us?

Donnie, he said something I should have asked you about it when you said, but you kept going. But just the way y'all have described it, I don't know. It seems really not. So you don't, I'm saying, you don't have to, like, have it. So, like, there's different dosages, right? Like, you don't have, like, there's a hero dose where you take, like, I don't even know how much it would be considered a hero dose.

But that's, like, where, like, you lose what they call, they have, like, an ego death. And you're, like, not really aware of what's going on, but you're aware of what's going on. in an entirely different way, right? You kind of lose the sense of this reality. Yeah, I would like to stay in my reality now. I understand. You don't have to go there with it, but they do a thing called microdosing,

I mean, our show is called macro. There's a micro dosing, right? Microdosing is a very low dosage, right? And it kind of just introduces you to the effects of it. But more so, like when you start looking at what, like there's actual science behind this, when you start looking at what microdosing does to the brain, like, it actually connects neurons in ways that aren't there before.

And so your hypersensitivity is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is extremely noticeable. So like, a music sounds amazing. Like, it's like, like I said, it feels like you're a part of it. Lights, colors, like, everything, but it's not in this, like, trippy, like, you know how, like, because I, you haven't done it. So I assume your thoughts of, of, of, of mushrooms is like this. way the hip-y he's going to see like a pink elephant or something so that's what i say foreign like i can't really relate to what y'all are talking about so right so it sounds very odd i mean it is odd but

well if you guys get 100k on twitter you you have to do shrooms on the pot well that was that was in the first month okay i tell you what though oh yeah on youtube i don't i don't want to say anything on the show that i i will take back later so i'm not but if if If we ever get to 100,000 subscribers on YouTube, we'll figure something out. I like that. I think that's what I'm talking about. That's an open-mindedness we're trying to preach here with mushrooms.

And I can, I can go on where I can guarantee your, the safety of your health if you microdose. I will go on right. I will guarantee I stand by. Whatever, if that ends up happening, whatever it is, it's got to be with all of us.

It's got to be with y'all. Yeah, Aaron, you have to fly up and Koli has to come in from Maine. if we hit 100K on YouTube and done. And the T has to trip. Hang on, hang on. That's all what I said. We'll all make one poll from a cigarette and that will be it. I would

I would microdose a mushroom long before I'd smoke a cigarette honestly. I love that. That's the right attitude to have. I mean since we were just talking about like the pink elephant thing I really think like media in general and I don't mean like CNN Fox News and shit. I mean like

like movies, TV. They've done a terrible job selling mushrooms and the experience of mushrooms. They do the same thing with wheat. They over exaggerate it to such an extent that it's nothing like every time they show you mushrooms, they're really talking about acid.

That's what they're doing in movies and TV. Every single, I've never seen like a nuanced tape. I have actually once. The closest is entourage, I would argue. Have you seen, have you seen the movie midsummer? I haven't. midsummer they take shrooms and um she's looking at a tree and like the tree is breathing like that is something i have seen on trumes yeah like she has her hand on the grass and her hand starts

like becoming the grass that was the most nuanced take i've ever seen that i could see but it's always fucking like elephants and and i feel like everyone goes back to like like the beetles like it's always like oh yeah what's all this these colors this yellow stuff like all that shit like no that's acid like and that needs to stop getting conflated because it's doing neither of them justice what yes what is the craziest thing y'all have seen on mushrooms or like done experienced whatever my i'll go i'll go first i'll go first i go first my sit so i had took the mushrooms and just forgot i took them and i was at my sister's boyfriend's house i was like 12 he's old, bro.

Probably too young for. For sure, for sure. We don't want all our 12-year-old fans to go out and be. Yeah, you know. It's been a tough episode for 12-year-olds. So I fell asleep and I woke up and the TV was on and it was Jackass was playing. Jackass was playing and it was the one where I think Johnny Knoxville was he was dressed up as the devil and he was like trolling. religious people and he was like we want god out of california or whatever like right and so i woke

up and i was like oh that's so fucked up oh it's so fucked up and so i walked to the kitchen because i heard i don't know how true this is but and i haven't looked it up subsequently but i heard if you drink milk it brings you down because i was really tripping and so uh so i walked to the kitchen and i look on the wall and they had a painting of a i mean a picture of a leopard and the leopard this nigga started like he started like roaring he was like roar he's doing that shit there and i was like yo i am out of there that was that's the trippiest shit i seen yeah um i guess i did shrooms at the burning man of china it's called dragon burn and i went there with chef donnie to film a vid and we ended up taking some shrooms that were sold to me by my friends chinese girlfriend so i i was

shocked there actually are people in china who are growing shrooms because it's not hard to grow and i don't even know if china has a law that makes them officially illegal like i don't even if the Chinese government, if they're really on their radar. But she grew some shrooms and sold them to us. And that was probably one of my hardest trips. It's just like, I wasn't in a tropical area or anything. But like after taking the shrooms, everything just looked tropical. Like it looked like I was in a tropical paradise when I was just surrounded by like normal

trees and everything. So that was awesome. But like we went there to film a video. And I remember, like, after we finally, like, sobered up, we realized that we hadn't filmed a, like, a single thing. We were like, all right, we filmed, like, for 10 minutes. And that's just because, like, on Shrooms, cameras can kind of weird you out. Like, I remember just even have, like, a camera pointed at you while you're tripping shrooms.

You're like, ah, no, I'm not, I'm not, like, performing for the camera right now. Yeah, that's. Yeah. The, um, go ahead, go ahead. Coley I know at one point you were saying like there needs to be a way that you can just legally acquire them yeah when I was in Amsterdam they I think they were legal there there's a loophole because I went into a shop and I just I had a 24 hour layover there and so I bought some magic truffles I had like my flight was not for for eight hours or something so I was like I'll be fine and then after I after I took it I went on one of those hop on hop on hoes off canal cruises. It's a lot like the red double-decker buses here, but it was just like going through the canals.

And that was not the move because it was not like it was not the move at all. It was jam packed and most people on it were like senior citizens. So but once I was on, I couldn't get off for an hour. And that was probably one of the least enjoyable times because you just got a guy on like a loudspeaker being like, and over here is this house and that's the Anne Frank house and just like yelling and you're surrounded by old people. like cramped in this small seat I just I had to get off that boat um which I did

eventually but yeah there can't be a worst place to visit on mushrooms than the Anne Frank house you talk about a state of mind I do not want to travel into a big T if if we when when we hit 100k and we get you to microdose I'll make sure

uh me and Aryan will beat the shit out of anyone who tries to fuck with you because I take it very personally if someone were trying to like genuinely because like I know people who I grew up with who would very much like they would just take mushrooms but that was their friend group like they'd never put them in depression or anything like that but someone like you I like it could the the the effects could be long term so I I take it very seriously and I wouldn't let that okay good I appreciate that the first time I did it was freshman year UMass there was a snowstorm so we got the day off

and I was friends with a lot of kids in the art school so we just took a bunch of them walked through the snowstorm which was wild because you just get so disoriented especially with like Western Massachusetts snow like how much there was very disorienting but very fun and then we just went into the art

school we just like broke in and we just created all day and like they were really good artists so it was fun for me me to just like doodle and scribble and like do graffiti while they were doing like real shit and just watch that unfold on mushrooms but then when I was coming down when you're coming down you know how like reality's starting to set back in but you still get these little like trace effects from the mushrooms so this was like a Friday night like 930 p.m. I'm a freshman

in college like I'm not calling my parents a ton during this time and I looked out of my phone of my mother is calling and I get such an anxiety attack because I'm like well my dad's certainly dead like not a doubt in my mind for sure dead like he was sick my whole life like it wasn't out of the realm of possibility and like my mother didn't call me at 930 on Friday nights she knew I was out doing something so for her to call I was like something bad has happened and I'm not in the right state of mind to answer this call so I just let it go to voicemail and I was like if something bad happened she'll she won't just call once like she'll leave a voicemail she'll text me something and she left a voicemail and i was like oh no so i'm starting to get deeper into this depression and like i'm

staring at my phone i'm like i have to listen to this and i listen and luckily she was just drunk and just missed me which made me feel also bad because i was like well now i feel like a dick but everyone's alive so i can i can calm down but that was the closest to the worst that and the third brain were the closest it got to like that. But luckily, both times everything was okay. Is there any other way you can explain that third brain other than like what you said already? Like I'm still trying to wrap my head around that. Yeah, it's, it's, I like, in a cartoon when they will sometimes give you like the perspective from like a fly and you like they show you just how many different views they have.

at once that's like really the only close it's it sounds as trippy as it is like you like i could see oh that was the third point of view so i could see the tv through my own set of eyes i was in the corner look because it was my own my childhood bedroom like i know every nook and i don't think you get it in a place you would never bend before because i think it takes some knowing the area you're in it's my childhood bedroom i know every i know every corner i know every cobweb i know everything that's in there so i'm laying on my bed i'm looking at the tuesdays. TV. I see the TV. I see the TV and my friend from the corner of the room. And then from that and then from here, I can see myself standing in the corner. So that was the third perspective. Like that was so it,

yeah. You're having an out of body experience where you can actually see yourself. Right. So yeah, it was like this triangle I was connected with that I could see all three simultaneously. Obviously, I wasn't actually out of my body but because I knew the room so well I knew my friend was over there and I knew the movie of Warriors is one of my favorite movies so I know that intuitively and the fact

that I was able to it was almost like going back to the lucid dream conversation the fact that I was able to like be in that moment and control it if that was the first time I'd done mushrooms I don't know what happens I don't know what kind of break I have I don't know if I get out of it but I think because I had done them

previously I was able to just like take a breath be like all right let's change the mood like because it was too dark everything everything about everything was just too dark in that moment so I was like let's get the lights on let's get to talking with the other person in here and that got me back on the right state of mind but I don't I would be shocked if that happened to you especially on a lower dose yeah you you won't experience that at with microdose at all actually okay no that's good to know I guess I guess the question I have for you big T He's like, do you think that the reality you experience, right? And this is a deeper, like, existential question.

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Well, I'll put it like this, right? How I explain it to people normally is this? Okay, so there's so much of the universe, right? and specifically our earth that we don't experience because we're not privy to those senses. For example, what you see, right, is a very small part of the electromagnetic spectrum, right? You don't see gamma rays, x-rays, like all of these different wavelengths in the universe that are actually existing, like neutrinos, right? For example, neutrinos are particles given off, I believe, from the sun. But they pass through your body all the time.

But you don't experience those. you don't see those you don't there's no sense for you to detect those right so the reality that we experience right and this is the beauty of science right the beauty of science is that it detects the natural world with outside of our senses and it proves it to be true right so shit like UV UV light right we understand that's part of the electromagnetic spectrum because it it shows up right um through our detection so like so when I say this reality this reality that you experience, right? It could be very tricky. Like, I was watching this show, this Netflix show called Brain Games. And there's so many things that our sense

trick us into believing. Like, they did this little experiment where they have these two blocks, right? And they're the exact same colors. But the way that they shave, one of them, and the background that they put it on, makes your brain believe that it's not the same color. And so he, like, lined up a whole bunch of people like, are these the same colors? And I'm like, And then you put something in between them in there, the exact same colors. So I guess what I'm trying to get you to see or try to get you to see is our reality, like, is just not the actual reality of the universe. And what I believe, and this is pure conjecture, I will concede that.

This is my opinion 100%. But what I believe is is that psychoactive drugs and like things like psilocybin, DMT, LSD, kind of introduce you to the universe in a way. that you're not able to see sense or feel. And there's no other way, and this sounds very spiritual because I got, like, I'm an atheist, right? So like when people talk about God, when they used to talk about God to me, I used to be like, you fucking bugging, right? But like now I feel like this is the way they experience the universe. And a lot of them are fluffed, but that's a whole other conversation.

But I feel like it's a way to experience the universe that we're not able to sense. And there's nothing else you can, like there's no, there's no data I could show you other than it's the feel, right? And the feel is what I used to discount, but I just don't discount anymore. So I get what you're saying. I guess in my mind, I just don't consider that like a separate reality

from the world currently, if that makes sense. Let me say it. Let me try and personalize it because I think one thing is, it also drops your inhibitions. And like, there's things you just don't recognize, It's not even on like a neutrino level, but it's like I've walked past you in the streets of New York and you just haven't seen me. Like that's kind of one other aspect of this too. Like not just you specifically, but I'm trying to make it personal so you can get a little bit more.

But every day we are bogged down by intentional distractions, whether it be this very podcast people are listening to, the website we will. work for. TV, Netflix, all of it. We're distracting ourselves from the universe, as Aaron keeps saying. We're distracting ourselves. We have these jobs. We go home from these jobs. We're told to relax with these preordained relaxation methods that we all socially agree are the ways to relax. Mushrooms drops your inhibitions and everything we're talking about. Kind of drops your inhibitions and you don't really care about you see it as bullshit in that moment. You do see it as like, I don't need any of that. Like, look at, even if you were just walking, I've never done them in New York, but I'm sure, as Johnny's talking about nature and that kind of experience, I'm sure walking

around New York would be one hell of a fucking experience. Going to Central Park, it could definitely be scary. You turn the wrong corner and things could go around quickly. But if you were doing it, maybe mid-pandemic was the time to do it when it was a little emptier. You could walk around marvel at like the architecture. Like, I'm sure there are great ways to do, to do mushrooms in New York. But you do just kind of notice things you, I don't want to say take for granted, but you kind of just ignore. Your brain just blocks it out and sees it as like, I don't need to know this right now. Yeah, exactly. And that's like a survival mechanism. Because it's like our brains normally only focus on like a few things. And it's like, all right, our jobs, because we need

to make money. We were focused on like food. We need to eat that if we were constantly seeing all the shit that shrooms allow us to see, you know, it could hurt your chances of survival. So the brain is trained to normally only focus on certain things and only see like a small sliver of our reality. And then shrooms, it like reconnects the brain. It, like, it creates new brain connections, which just allow you to see the world in a completely different way, which is great.

But if you were, I guess, if you lived your entire life like you were tripping on shrooms, it, like, it would probably hurt your chances for survival, especially gainful employment. Yeah. Yeah, especially back in the day when, like, we had to be growing our own food and, like, it wasn't as easy to survive. Like, maybe now you could coast by, but definitely, especially at this company. Yeah, not at top in my mind.

Yeah. But, yeah, I think it's just a lot, like, I don't, I think it is a little hard probably for you to grasp just since you haven't done it. I do think, like, I don't doubt that what you're saying when you're like, yeah, I know reality. I grasp what we're talking about. But I do think, like Aaron was saying, it's a feel. It's a feel more than a thing you can learn just from hearing from someone else. So I definitely get what y'all are talking about when you're like, you notice things that you don't see and things like that. I guess I just, we just define reality different, I guess.

Like, I wouldn't consider that a different reality necessarily. I would just say, like, you're experiencing things that you normally don't, that are there, but that you wouldn't recognize or take the time to pay attention to. Not necessarily, right? So it's like, well, yes and no, right? So like, yes, in the literal sense, yes, you're experiencing things that are there normally. But I guess it's like, so when people, what really got me into psychedelics was I watched a documentary on DMT. And I started like doing all this reading about it.

And so what's fascinating about DMT is that when you survey people about their experience, on DMT, everybody has similar experiences across the board. And that's fascinating to me how a drug can affect different chemical compositions from everybody's brain makeup is different, right? But how a chemical can alter your perception in a very similar way. And one of the ways that they say that it happens is, and I'm not, like I said, pure opinion, pure conjecture. I don't know, I'll preface it with that.

But one of the things that they always say is like, so when people do DMT, DMT is like, you literally do it, you smoke it, I think you take like two or three hits and you're out for like 20 minutes. But the fascinating shit is, and everybody has his experiences, they say, and I experience this too when I've done mushrooms, is that your sense of time dissipates. Like, you no longer see time. Like we see time very linearly. That's how we experience time. Like we're born, we grow old and then we die. Like, that's how we experience time. so like when you do these psychoactive drugs your sense of time it changes your perception of time like like so you're gone for uh do you watch star track big t i have not no i got you well this is this episode where uh jean luke ricard um he gets beamed from some vessel right he gets beamed in the head and he's he's out right and the whole episode is his experience that in his head he was transported to some planet and he lived an entire life there and he was

like he had a wife and a family and a kids. He lived an entire life there and he wakes back up at the end of it. And he, uh, he was, he was out, he said, how long was I out for? He's like, there was like 15, 20 minutes maybe. And so he lived years, like decades on this other planet, right? And so I'm not saying you're going to live an entire life in the other, if you do these drugs. But what I'm saying is your experience of time is entirely different, right?

And how we experience time. And this is why, this is why. I believe so strongly in it is because it has so much to do with science. There's so many correlations, right? The way we experienced, I've talked about this on the podcast as well, but the way we experience time is directly correlated with how we're moving through the universe. So say we're on a planet with more mass, like time will move differently from us than it does it on Earth. If like how fast we're moving in the universe, time is different.

Like the twin paradox, for example, the twin paradox of me and you were twins, Big T, I go off into space and I circle at the near light of speed. I could come back and maybe age a year and you'll be an old man. Like that's a real effect of the physical properties of our universe. That's not sci-fi. That's really how our universe works. And when you do these drugs, you feel that. You feel how time is different.

You feel how colors are different. And you feel like there's studies that say people have effect. And I've experienced it like synesthesia where people feel like they see sound and they hear colors. Like that's wild to think about that people. experience this kind of stuff. And that's why I'm so passionate about it because I feel like it could really change the mind frame. I was having a conversation with my father yesterday.

I'm long winded, but I'm going to wrap it up. I was having a conversation with my father yesterday. And I was like, fucking depressed. And I was like, yo, this fucking society is trash.

Because like everybody just wakes up every single day. Go to work, get money. And it's just boring, right? It's just buzz like, this can't be it. And he was asking me like, how would you change it?

And I was like, I'm bringing it right back to my, to my show, Avatar. Avatar. Avatar. I didn't know. not see that coming.

Avatar has that shit figured out. They realize that the wealth of our life and our world is in everything around us and our culture that we create. And I feel like these drugs kind of facilitate that. They allow you to see the culture is important. They allow you to see that people and love and things are important. I sound like a hippie, dog. I'm usually not like this, but I love this topic.

But I don't know. That was long wind. Aaron, if we ever end up doing. mushrooms together. I want to watch Avatar with you. That's bro. Sign me the fuck up. Sign me up, though. Avatar is going to be fire.

How about this? When they come out with it in 2021, because they are. Or 2022, I'm sorry. Because they are. Nobody believes me. But I have faith in James Carroll. Fuck you, Colleen. I have faith. I have faith in James Cameron. Did you see? You see one of the actors said he just read the script for Avatar

five and started crying? like fuck this guy avatar they've got the script written for five and finish two yet i have i have have more faith than anything we'll host the fucking party bro a a micro dosing party and we'll watch that shit together bro love that it will start off as a microdosing party but by the end it's going to be a macro dosing party have you ever done a hero dose um i've probably i've taken like maybe at most five grams four grams at a time so like around an eighth i think i'd like that's probably the most i've taken eighth is my max yeah i i accidentally took too much acid once just because i didn't know how much was on the piece of paper but uh i was okay i just kept on

walking circles around a park until i came back to earth big tea would you describe from everything you know about donnie day to day as okay in your eyes it's his version of okay let's not let's not blame that on the drugs okay I was like that it was like that before I know but yeah but big you and big T have lived very different lives so I will I'm genuinely curious like when he looks at you and see like keep this

this is the stranger far away I mean Donnie Donnie just exists on his such his own plane that like it's it's a different classification system him, I guess. Like everything has to be weighted to the fact that he is the wanton-dun. Built different. Correct. Yeah.

Very different. Yes. Are the sunglasses and owed to PFT or is that your thing as well? Now they'd both do it. Yeah. I was doing it. Yeah. We didn't, we're not doing it because of each other.

I was just wearing shades in my videos. Were you just about to try to? Even before he worked in. Yeah. I want him to go there. Were you about to say that you were doing it before PFT? I was. That's what you started to say and then you started. I was. But like

PFT didn't know who I was. Correct. I think me and PFT should fight in Rough and Rowdy and the loser has to take off the shades. That's a great. I like that actually. Or maybe we have just a fight to see who can take off the other person's shades. With boxing gloves.

Yeah. You have to punch off the shades. I'm with that. I'm actually with that. How can we set that up? Yeah. I mean, I have a a lot of height on PFT, but he's a strong dude. Crafty? Yes, he's extremely crafty. Now,

have you guys heard of the stoned ape theory? I've heard you. I've heard it somewhere, but I don't know what... Wait, what, is that the, um, is that where we, that was like our our, uh, segue into

a global domination and and, uh, consciousness was, was by ingesting psilocybin or something like that yeah yeah it's similar like this one guy terence mckenna i think is his name yeah he believes what let the human time about time my time time time i'm gonna let you cook but i have to interject before we get our subject yeah terence mckenna has some of the best fucking philosophy out there dog just youtube for anybody out there youtube

terence mckenna about philosophy about life or whatever some of the shit he says is so fucking grounding and hum it's the doper shit in the world but go ahead bro my bet Yeah. So I guess our brain kind of tripled in size about two million years ago. And like really no one knows like why. Like all of a sudden we went just from from apes to like having a conscience and like being able to self reflect, having a language. Like all of a sudden that just appeared. Like we just went from kind of like we went from, went from apes to humans. And like no one really knows what triggered that. And so the stoned ape theory is that around that time is when humans would be around. cows and shrooms grow from cow shit and like shrooms have been shown to promote brain cell growth and stuff. So he thinks like maybe when humans started doing shrooms, that's what led to like human consciousness, like the ability to devise a language and stuff. And like it's one of those theories that no one can prove because we're talking about something that happened like two million years ago. But I don't know. I haven't read his book on it. Some people think there's

a lot of merit to it. Yeah. Joe Rogan talks about that. He used to talk about it like and now he just talks about vaccines all the time. Yeah. Yeah. Like you said, there's no way to actually prove it, but it 100% makes sense. Another one I heard of was like the omega 3s that we ate from like fish. I've heard that that actually promoted the brain growth as well. I mean, there's no way of actually knowing, and I'm not qualified to even talk about it, but it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, been any, like, um, uh, studies or experiments on giving it to other animals? They give it to mice, I know, but yeah, I would be curious if, if they gave it to monkeys, trying to create humans. I don't know if that'll work.

I can't see how that ends poorly. Um, for, for them, because we're, we're, we're assholes and we can't. We can't share the, we can't share the earth with ourselves, much less another speech. Yeah, that would be fire, though. That would be fucking fire. If there was an entirely different species that had a language and could like. That would be cool. Yeah.

I mean, so apparently there are some types of monkeys that they've seen using tools. So like, yeah. So they think like, oh, our, our apes starting to enter the Stone Age. But I mean, that should just, it takes so long. But it would be insane. I mean, the patience, everybody's motherfuckers to gain consciousness of all of you idiots. Dolphins, though, they like have, they have a language and they also get high. They use, they use puffer fish to get high.

Really? Yeah, there's like a certain toxin in puffer fish that gets the dolphins like, they start tripping. And so they've been observed in the wild just like passing the puffer fish back and forth. Shout out to dolphins out there. Well, it faded. And much like us, dolphins are giant assholes. Some of the worst people you'll ever come across. Are they?

But I mean, they're pretty, well, they like to fuck with people, for sure, and things. They fuck with sharks a lot. Big time rapists. There are, dolphins are bad people, not a fan. Dolphins are, hold on time about, you don't like, how do you, hold on. I understand you saying like they got some asshole tendencies, but to not like dolphins, man. Hey, come on.

they've got great PR working for them I will admit flipper did a lot of carrying their their namesake but yeah dolphins they don't do shit for me I don't do shit for that they they can stay in the sea I'll stay in the land I'm in even that's that's facts I don't fuck with the ocean okay what about uh what about orcas because orcas are fucking beautiful brilliant animal they actually have like their paws

they've been known to uh they have like cultures they have subsets cultures and language as well so that's that's pretty what's your take on I know you've spoken very fondly of Orcas in the past. I think they both have good and bad PR working for them. Because they also, what I don't like about Orca is they fuck with their food before, like they'll take like a baby seal and just toss it up in the air repeatedly in front of its parents and then kill the whole family.

Like just kill the whole family. Like I get how the ecosystem works. You're not going to show off. You're not going to start high stepping at the 40 before you power this family. Like that's where Orcas, like, and I know they won't like kill the whole. people even out in the wild but yeah like in the wild they have it's never been documented that they've attacked and killed the human obviously right obviously in captivity it's happened a few times but i think that was crazy i was like wait like in the history of earth we don't have a

single case of a killer whale just eating a human yeah and there was i remember reading somewhere or maybe watching it somewhere um that orcas like like there was some native uh native american in culture that that was saying that orcas, um, like spiritually are our protectors like, like, and I'm, of course, I don't believe that shit, but like, but that's, that's what they believed. And so they were always like very friendly to the natives. Um, and that, that's always fascinating to me that a wild animal that can absolutely tear you apart has never killed any human. Like, I fuck with orcas. I don't fuck with the ocean, but I wish these niggas could be on land. So I would fuck with them. But I, but I, they used to be on land.

millions of years ago that's like No we did no you're not wrong you're not wrong yeah like that's crazy like whales used to be kind of like a hippo

and then they just slowly went into the ocean once you're in the ocean you don't have to worry about weight so that then they just ballooned up a fun fact an evolutionary fact I think I think you're right

I think it's orcas I don't know if it's oracles I don't know if it's oracles of whales in general but they have like I think it's hip bones they're like hip bones residual hip bones from when they were land dwellers

that's pretty fucking that's pretty It's pretty dope. Yeah, it's pretty dope. Yeah. I mean, the whole, yeah. Go ahead, go ahead. If you look in the flippers, like, you can still kind of see what used to be their

finger bones. Yeah. Their hands. Yep, yep. It's fascinating. That whole, I felt, matter of fact, last night I fell asleep to a YouTube, um, evolutionary documentary where it talks about like Darwin and the whole, uh, how he figured that shit out with the Glockpos Island.

That shit is fascinating, man. And so I don't know if anybody's interested, but that shit is cool because he figured out that finches on the Galapical Island. So finches, birds were, there were the same species, but they had different beaks. And he realized it was because of the environment. And that's how he kind of started piecing together that each island had different little tweaks in their anatomies that that they were the same species, but little tweaks. And they evolved that way in order that they could feed from the different. environment on this. That's fascinating.

Shout out PFT. He's actually been to the Galapagos Islands. Did he write a turtle? You'll have to ask him the next time he's on the show. Do you know the answer and you're just not telling us? Right. It's a really good story. Ride a turtle?

No, I think that is highly illegal in the Galapagos Islands. I hope so. Yeah, I would hope so. I mean, if you're like a three-year-old, if I had a three-year-old, I would put him on top of turtle. For sure. I wouldn't want to go for. It'd be like four. Three is a little, the balance.

The equilibrium might not be there. I would, yeah. I'm not trying to ride a turtle. Uh, I would ride, well, definitely. Well, tortoise. Tortoise. Okay. A tortoise on turtle.

Tortoise are the ones on land. Yeah, tortoises land. Whichever one's in the ocean. Did you see that big-ass one that they pulled out of the ocean? Shit was fucking huge. Holy shit. That was terrifying. Um.

So are you ever going to have that treatment at John Hopkins, Arian? I'm going to reach back out to him. I just totally had, yeah, I totally forgot. I'm totally down to be a guinea pig in any study. Give me a hero dose. Because I feel like, I feel like if you have, I'm giving everything, bro. Because I feel like if you have a medical team, my anxiety from doing like a hero dose is like my heart exploding or from like beating so fast from me being scared.

Like that's my anxiety. But I don't want to do, but like if you're there, that anxiety is just gone because it's like you can give you sedatives to bring your heart rate down. Yeah. So like I would want to be a guinea pig in all these psychedelic studies. Yeah. I would just, I would just not want them to give me placebo. That would piss me off. I might fight you for that time.

Yeah, I don't want to be in the placebo group. Give me the shit. Give me this stuff. I mean, so I guess when they do the mushroom therapy, you're in a room and they do, you get a huge dose. But then you put on a block. blindfold or something like that and you kind of just like sit in the room and there's someone in the room of you that you can talk to but that's interesting because every time i've done shrooms i'm used to like walking around exploring like there you're just in a room in the hospital you take

a bunch of shrooms and you put on the blindfold and like you have someone you can talk to but uh i mean i'm sure even if you're not really seeing anything just when you i mean even when you're on shrooms you probably know if you if you close your eyes you're still seeing a bunch of crazy shit so definitely definitely i would request me i would request me bringing my ipad to watch avatar i don't think that would be kosher that would be that would be i guess they do to have to hook you up with all kind of like brain shit that makes sense i think they do play some music for you i think they play it has has to be my pick though i can't have these stale-ass music takes yeah fucking up my high well i think they probably give you like a bunch of different kinds just to see

how you react or imagine. Yeah. Isn't it? So it's crazy. One way they've been using the therapy is if you have terminal cancer and you like, no, all right, there's no cure. I'm going to die in the next four years. They've seen that they have given these patients a bunch of shrooms.

They do a therapy session. And afterwards they're like not as afraid of dying. Like they come to peace with the fact that like their life is almost over. And like, so I know normally. you'd think like that's the worst time to take shrooms you're just going to be freaking out like about dying but a pension like apparently it's helped yeah no and it's because of the the things that we talked about we saw the big tea was like like when you especially when you take a certain amount like your your sense of self and heightens and you realize it's it's not just

me like you just don't feel alone yeah and like you feel you feel a part of everything and so you're like it's okay to just return back to whatever the fuck we return to and like that that kind of shit to me helps. And even if it's bullshit, it still helps ease the anxiety of death. And that's why, like, people I was asked, like, that's the age of like, are you afraid to die? Like, I always tell people know. And I think it's because I experienced psychedelics at a young age where it's like, I just don't feel like this looks longing to, like I want to live, right? I enjoy this. It's the only thing I know, actually. But it's like, if it happens, it goes, it goes. But it's like, I was just a part of this experience. And that's, I guess it's, you're taking the ego out of it.

Like, I have to live. Like, I'm not going to have. have FOMbo when I die. Like, it's just, it's done. It's okay. I think, I think it's powerful. We should definitely, um, spam the DEA. Yeah. Yeah.

How you go fucking PFT, bro. This nigga, this nigga said, uh, I hated dogs. And, and I, for the last three days, for the last three days, everybody's been sending me their fucking dog pictures on Twitter. Aaron, I don't, I mean, Ariens sent a text on Friday morning that said, I can't get on Twitter because I have too many DMs and notifications of people just sending me their dogs. And then he said to screen

recording of his Twitter and it was just not. I loved it. It's just, it's hilarious too because I answered one dude. He's like, how could you say no to this? And I was like, easy as fuck. And I said a picture of a Bugs Bunny going, no. But we should, instead of directing the energy towards

me and your stupid fucking dogs people, how about you do that towards the DEA? tweet DEA and have them make psilocybin the non-class one scheduled drug how about that how we do some productive they're making problems they can do both I would argue I mean I wouldn't be shocked if by like

2025 it's been legalized throughout the US I think I'd be pretty shocked well at least for therapeutic purposes like not just to go to the store and buy shrooms but no I for sure I like yeah I just think there's so much money against it like who are the who are the mushroom lobbyists like that's what we're now there's a lot of these like psychedelic companies that are creating drugs using psilocybin and stuff and like

they're getting some traction like you can now invest in them and stuff they have yeah you can buy their stocks i bought i bought stocks in one of the company have lost money so far but just you just just he's got to give it he's got to give it four years i was actually surprised in the speed in which the marijuana legislation has increased popularity. Like states are just, it's just, it's dominoes right now. It's just knocking it out. I didn't think I was going to see that in my lifetime, honestly. I really didn't.

Yeah. Because that's still a schedule one as well. Marijuana is still a schedule one. What the fuck are they doing up there? A bunch of old fucking out of touch. What the fuck are they doing, man? Wait, yeah. I mean, it's, which I do.

It's crazy how like in the same country you can go from being able to buy. weed at a store to like being put in jail for wheat it just just depending on the whole yeah there's a driving me driving from main to massachusetts if i have weed on me a am crossing state border which is a felony trafficking right if but if i have like a gram on me and i go through new hampshire new hampshire the live free or die state it's still illegal there like it doesn't make any fucking sense by they hit collie with the rico man yeah we're all we're all going down A conspiracy to traffic. That's like the scene and fucking blow

when Johnny Dub playing George Young is talking about like these are just lines that someone happened to draw at a certain point. Like that always resonates with me. Like borders, borders in general, or maybe we can do a whole episode of fucking borders, but state borders specifically. You're going to tell me if I cross the street to New Hampshire,

now it's illegal like what changed genuinely what changed yeah not a fucking thing nothing you think about borders big tea strong borders think i think there's a lot of reasons people draw lines on maps some some more valid than others would you admit that they're bullshit though i mean when you break it down to like why is this place different from here like you could say that about anything though like why why is anything anything like why do countries like why is so so should we all should we all just be one you are you advocating for one world government fuck it seems like it's said anything about government well if there's no borders then we're all just one earth like there's no countries or anything

who governs that who's going to run the show who's going to keep us in line well see and that's the thing we think of government right like we think of government as this overarching authority figure right But if the moral compass of the land, right, if the moral compass of the people, the zeitgeist of the people is ethical in nature, you don't need a fucking government. You don't need an overarching government. Anything can be considered government, right? Like if you're in a classroom and you have rules or regular. Low key, that's considered a government, right? But what I mean is like there's no need for this militaristic, imperialistic mindset that our governments currently in this world occupy. That's why this earth is trash and why Avatar is way better. because on Pandora, they just be chilling, eating the fruits of the land. This is also why, like, you're always talking Aryan about, like, when aliens come here, why are we always trying to kill them? And it's like, if they actually did come here with malicious intent, we'd get run out of the fucking building, not even necessarily because they could have superior weaponry,

but because we're not on the same page at all. So if another planet that is all united is on the same page, our team chemistry is negative. We have none. But do you think the moment the alien showed up? Like, we would all be like, all right, there's... I think it's too late. I think it's way too late at that point.

Because then they're going to feel... I just think you'll have like... It'll be infighting again because like there'll be people who are like non-religion. Like, see, we told you motherfuckers. The religion people were like, no, that is Jesus. And this would be like a whole bunch of like, well, focus on the fucking task in hand. It would just be a shit show.

It would be a big shit show, man. Holy shit. And I would just be like, you'll take me. bro. Where do you, niggas? Where are y'all stand? Take me there. I mean, for the last almost two years now, we've had a foreign entity running up the scoreboard on all of us when all it's taken is some cooperation, some understanding of one another, and we've been doing a dog shit job of it. I think that was some Twitter bots. I think that's what it is, Big T. I think it's very utopian. right my idea of one world right it's very utopian but it's just not that hard to do it's just like

really eat just don't be a dick like that's like the only just don't be a dick it's not even close to that crucial like just don't be a dick it's this that but do you think that could ever happen no fuck no because there's too many dicks too many dicks so then we need borders I agree that they're necessary today yes I do agree okay But I don't agree in principle with them. No, fuck no. Right. They didn't have to be inevitable.

It's like I wish I didn't have to have locks on my door. But I got to have locks on my door. Like, that's what it is. Right. I would play within the world you live in, not the world you'd like to live in. Yeah, 100%. That's fair. This is my biggest thing with the like, well, if you don't like it, move people too.

It's like, no, why can't I want it? Like, I like, I like it here. Let's make it better. Why is that not an option? It's always like I got to go somewhere else. I'd like to just improve this. Yeah, they're just, they're just assholes. That's all that.

Like, like, I got a leak in my roof and I'm like, I got to pack up, dog. Like, I got to pack up. Fuck this house. Fuck this house. The light, my fridge is broken. Uganda, it is like, no. That's, that's actually crazy. The light in my fridge is just fucking broken.

I got to go, I got to check it. Got to go to Uganda? Yeah. I got to go to Uganda, man. Shout out to Uganda. Bobby Wine, for those that know. But, uh, yeah. Is there anything else, man, about fun.

Oh, here's a fun fungus fact that I wanted to get off. There's a fungus in, where is it? I wrote it down. There is a fungus in shit. Yep. Anyway, there's a fungus and there's some of them are. There's a fungus somewhere in the world that is actually the largest organism on earth. Oh, yeah.

I got it right here. It's a type of honey fungus, and it's 2.4. miles across and it's in the blue mountains in Oregon it's yeah it's thought to be the largest living organism on earth yeah because it's just it's connected underground for miles yeah is the is the great barrier reef not a living organism or it's bigger than that so the great barrier reef is like a bunch of tiny tiny organism that's fair this is considered like all part of the same organism gotcha yeah that's why it's the fair distinction just thought I'd ask Um, another fun fact, some people think that fungus may have come from space because they're, they're like, it's not a plant. It's not an animal. Like, it's the most unique thing ever. Maybe it was on an asteroid that came to Earth, which is crazy. Uh, and I'll leave you guys with one fun fact that I don't really want to go into. But if you're listening to, I got one more. I got, I got one more after this. Well, people think shrooms may have influenced Christmas may have led to the creation of the Christmas myth.

Because in Siberia, there are these like shamans who always have a bunch of reindeer. And during the winter, they would bring shrooms to the villages that would like, that the reindeer would eat. It says that the Siberian mystics would sometimes drink the urine of reindeer who eat all the psychedelic shrooms. And every winter, they would come and like bring the shrooms as a gift. and they were seen to symbolize like the reindeer's because they were always traveling with packs of them and you know there's one type of mushroom it's called like a mascara um what's it called yeah it's called the aminita muscaria it's that shroom that's red and white it's like it's christmas colors and they always grow underneath christmas trees they grow underneath pine trees and um i don't know

look into it that's definitely not proven but But PFT, I meant Big T, you know about Christmas. So look into that. Sure. Next time you're opening up your present underneath the Christmas tree. I'm sure whoever wrote the, yeah, I'm sure whoever wrote the, it was in the book of Moses, the burning bush, dad nigger was tripping on shrooms. No question. It may have been, yeah, like the plant that was burning could have been a psychedelic plant.

He starts inhaling, inhaling the smoke. I'm saying that because it started talking I'm thinking I'm saying he was on it but yeah so last little fun fact about mushrooms this is those this is dope as shit so like it was in Japan and there was like this slime mold

and they were trying to I don't I'm sure what they're trying to do but they put like oat flakes in in places of like where like I think it was like subways were and so they play slime mold on like a map, a skeleton of of Japan, and the slime mold actually created a more efficient network of subways and tunnels than the actual Japanese. And they were like baffled. They're

like, this is actually more efficient. And so they're starting to like kind of reconstructure their subways after that. That is fucking fascinating, though. Fungus is smart through. Yeah, I can kind of almost think for itself. Yeah. I mean, it's a whole field. It's a whole, it's a whole field. And the study of it is actually crazy. There's like like there's a, there's a, There's all kinds of other, I think Stamos. I think he's not John, not John Stom, what's his name? He was actually on Rogan. I don't talk about Rogan.

I don't even listen to him that much, but he was actually on Rogan. Stamets, yeah. Yeah, yeah, and he's like a super big, like, you know, I think he's a mycologist. And, like, it's fascinating. Like, I follow him on a gram. And, like, a lot, there's a lot of mycologists out there. And the work that they do is actually impressive. On top of the fact that mushrooms are delicious, they actually are some of the most fascinating

things on this earth along with, um, along with, um, fucking octopus those things aren't saying we should do an episode of octopus yeah they can do mind control of bugs too like if uh if if uh ants eat a certain type of fungus and then it takes over their brain it has the ants climb exactly 25 centimeters up and bite into one of the plant branches and then because that's where it gets the most sun or it gets like the nutrients it needs and then it blossoms out of the ant's head. Yeah. Horrifying.

Yeah. That's fucking crazy. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's like a, that's closer to like host parasite, right? Right. Yeah.

So luckily that's in that. Yeah. Yeah, it's called, yeah, it's like a type of zombie fungus where it just turns bugs into zombies and it does whatever the fungus tells them to do.

Yeah. So, but luckily that will not. happen if you eat magic mushrooms no no no I'll be I'll be down to see what they want us to do it's not good at least hear them out let me hear them out I want to hear them out no they want there's a lot of negotiating though I think what you're in you're in it'd be like uh the happening when like the plants release something that they like when humans inhale they go and jump off buildings is that with margot they just want us to die

here you go thinking imperialistically again the mushrooms want us to die, the aliens. They don't want to coexist. I die. I think fungus is our friend. I agree. That's why I want to hear them out. I would love to hear them out.

But, I mean, that's it for fungus unless anybody else has anything. I don't know if y'all wanted to do the voicemails today or what do you think in Avery? Yeah, we can play some. You want to play some? Yeah. Yeah. So give the preface of what's going on. I'm going to get a couple of them.

Madeline listen to them. So, Madeline, you want to? Yeah. First of all, thank you for calling us. Yes. Yeah, I went through all of them. So we didn't really have like a guideline of what people could send in. So it's kind of like all over the place. So some of them are like rhetorical questions or like hypotheticals. Some of them are episode ideas, which I kind of didn't include because some of them we have to actually take and get into. Some of them are just thoughts on different things. So I kind of hopefully got a little bit of everything. But yeah, I picked out a couple good ones that I thought we could go into. So, yeah, so we got for us. Here we go. Let's get it.

Let's get it. Hey, what's like you guys? My name is Tyler from Atlanta, Georgia. And I got a question for you, a huge role in the podcast. I know there's been talked about a lot, like, around the internet, but I don't think it's been discussed on your show yet. The whole, like, Helen Keller being deaf and blind and writing an entire book, like, I just don't, I don't really understand it.

Like, yes, I believe that Helen Keller was deaf and blind. I believe that she existed. But to tell me that. she wrote a whole ass book by herself and like not knowing what anything is like yeah yeah she had help from her like caregiver or whoever but i i just don't know how you teach sign language is someone who's like been deaf and blind their whole life or i just don't know how you teach her anything at all so to be able to like write a whole book props to her family if it was just like a money grab but there's just no way that she wrote a whole book so thanks guys

enjoy the show appreciate it So basically, do you think Helen Keller actually wrote a book? There's a lot of discourse about Helen Keller. I've actually thought about this. I mean, because it just, it blows my mind. She was deaf and blind when she was born, right? I think it was, I believe, was one, I want to say she was deaf when she was born and then developed blindness. I don't think she was deaf blind at birth. Yeah, it's crazy just like trying to think what she pictures the world as.

I mean, she can still feel. So she can, like, feel a human face and, like, maybe get a feel for what people look like and stuff. But I've always been confused about that. I didn't know there were Helen Keller truthers out there that think she didn't write a book. We work with one. I would argue we work with the leading Helen Kellynne Treuther. Oh, shit. Oh, shit.

I did not know that was one of his theories. But, no, I don't, like, I actually cannot answer this question. I'm not going to say that Helen Keller didn't write a book I think she did I think you'd be surprised if you can't see or hear like your other senses

probably just get so good and like so sensitive that like I mean how do you learn Braille or whatever when you can't like even hear people telling you oh this is A like she wasn't really doing Braille though

remember she would like write things in her caretakers like palm of their hand. Ah, yes, yeah. So I don't even think Braille was a thing back then. The top, like people also ask on Google, it says, oh, this is, never mind. This is, at the age of 19 months, Helen became death and blind. I thought it said 19 years, which would have changed everything.

But 19 months, yeah, there's not much you can. Like, I have a 17 month old now, and she's an idiot. So I can't imagine teaching back in 18, fucking 80, someone. on how to read and hear at that age and then be able to retain it the rest of their life. So yeah, I've never understood it and I never will understand it. I don't know if I'd go as far as like Helen.

Doesn't KFC say like she wasn't real? What? I think he just thinks the whole thing is, I mean, it is 1880, so I don't like trust like, 1880 Alabama. So I don't necessarily trust like the records of her being sick. I think we can say she's real. I find it entirely possible.

and maybe even likely that her accomplishments were exaggerated. I don't know to what extent. There are people who just think that's... There are people who just think she was not... I'm not saying anything about Helen Keller on my opinion of her, but there are people who think that she was conjured up or exaggerated heavily as a way to inspire people of like you can do anything you put your mind to.

Even Helen Keller. Helen Keller, it's on record that she flew a plane. in her state I just don't know how I couldn't do that and I have all five senses so I think Maybe they're getting her mixed up with

Amelia Earhart But so I think there's There people think that she Her accomplishments may have been exaggerated To give an inspiring story Yeah I'm gonna call camp on a whole plane She was a passenger She was a passenger on a plane

oh for 20 minutes of the in June 1946 an airplane traveled from Rome to Paris crossing over the Mediterranean Sea there was nothing unusual about this flight except for one thing for 20 minutes of the plane's journey one of its passengers became its pilot the passenger was Dr. Helen Keller

an American author educator and activist who since childhood had been both blind and deaf the yeah that didn't happen also Helen Keller died in 1968 I thought she was like dead for a really long time the fuck is wrong with Like, why on earth would you let somebody blind and deaf in an airplane cockpit?

Don't worry about it. There's no way that. There's no fucking way about that. But so like deaf and blind people, like when we hear deaf and blind, we think totally can't hear nothing, totally can't see anything. That's not necessarily the case where people with both things or either or. And so I'm unaware to the extent of hers, right? So I've done no reading on this.

But I think she was full on blind and death. Like there's couldn't hear nothing, couldn't see anything. I think she was a hardcore blindo. Why? You should have, and I'm not encouraging either, but you should have attacked the deaf here because the blind will still listen to the podcast.

I just don't have a word for deaf people. You just said it. The deaths, yes. I think so, I think there's multiple ways to learn. I do think the human brain is amazing. Like, I'm unaware of her case, right? But, like, I know, like, if you look at somebody like Stephen Hawking,

one of the greatest physicists of all time developed a system in which he can type by just looking at a screen. So it's like when I think, I think, what they say, my dad used to tell me some time I say, necessity is the mother of invention. So when you really need to do something, like, you're able to do it. Like, people, like, some people, like, I've seen people who don't have arms, they're, like, really crafty with their feet. and they can do things with their feet that I can't even imagine trying, right? They could type, they can write, they can do all this crazy stuff.

And so when you're without senses, like other things come into play and you make, you have to survive. That's part of our basic instincts. I'm not a truther. I definitely don't think my dog flew a fucking plane. But I have no reason to doubt. Well, I guess I'm just indifferent. Like, I don't know if she wrote the book or how much she had involved in it.

But I just, I was just indifferent about the shit. But I just, I don't, I definitely think she existed. There's fucking pictures of her, fam, like, so. Yeah, she died in 1960, right? Is that what I just saw? So, like, that was, that was, that was two reason for her to just, like, not be a person. But, yeah, I don't. It's just never, like, it's, I think it's hard when you are blessed enough to have all five sentences to be like, all right.

Well, now we take two away from you. Like, it's hard to put yourself in that position. Yeah. Yeah. That's an interesting question. Would you rather, if you had, if you had somebody who's going to take away one of your senses, hearing or seeing which one would you rather be gone? Hearing for sure. Oh, I'm, I'm exactly. Living life without music is fucking torture to me.

You'd rather never see anything ever again. What about taste? Yeah, I was just to say, where's taste? Taste is like the easy answer. Well, it was between those two. That wasn't one of the options. Yeah, that was the choice. It was only two.

Oh, we're not to all five. I said hearing or say, I mean, we can do all five if we want to, but I can, I would easily choose. If you put all five on the table, that's way, way easier. Yeah, I would, like, touch probably. No. No, smell. Yeah, I can get up. Well, no, because that's, that's, that's correlated with the taste taste.

Yeah. That's fine. I would almost rather, like, if you're telling me. A touch because sex. or deaf. But, yeah, I think it would be, if I could get rid of two, I'd rather get rid of taste and smell than either blind or deaf. Like, just get both of those out of here.

Hey, I'd be okay with that. Like, I think those are the three senses I'd want. Because I think, I think smell and taste are big culprits in overconsumption of food and the reason why Hart's the number one killer anyway. So I'll be okay, it's probably be more healthy. It's like, nah, I just eat because, like, my mom just got COVID, right? She's good. She's all having that.

over and now, but she had got COVID and she was, um, uh, she was like, I can't, I can't taste anything. Like, I can't taste anything. And she's like, but I want, I want chicken. And I'm like, my, now's is a perfect time to eat all the healthy shit in the world. There's no point in fucking eating the burger if you can't taste the shit. And so I don't know if she ever went through with the chicken or not, but, um, but I couldn't live without music. There's no way I would, I would, I couldn't do it. I do have to say one thing. Like in this article about Helen Keller flying a plane, It also says, Keller isn't the only deaf blind person to fly plane. So I guess there's, why is her there multiple deafness and blindos flying plane?

I think it's like, is it like a make a wish? It has to be like a make a wish day where it's like, yeah, like we'll let you put your hands on the steering wheel for time. Yeah, they're like, they don't know what the buttons. I'll get the fuck out of him. I'm, nah, I'm not buying that shit. We got to tighten up the restrictions on who can and can't be flying planes. No regulations. with it. Like, you've got to be able to see.

I think that feels fair. Minimal. Is there another one? Is there another one? Yeah, there's two more good ones, I think. Here we go. All right. Yo, it's Nick. I'm in New Orleans. I'm curious what's one piece of media from your childhood, be it a movie, TV show, whatever.

That's had the biggest impact on your personal beliefs or way of thinking of the world. I suspect for Aaron it might be Jaws but I'm curious I love the show piece I mean Aaron don't we know your answer already I wasn't my childhood

that came out 2009 um childhood hmm I would probably I would probably say I mean any of the like no shit that's tough actually

that's tough because nothing really influenced my i mean if anybody has them go ahead i'm still thumbing through all my uh memory on my hard drive no that's a really good question and i don't know that i have like a real answer for it yeah well you said what huh for big t Georgia football oh yeah good one you were laughing uh i don't know like i feel like i'm i'm influenced by so much media. It's hard to pick just one. Yeah. Ghostbusters, maybe for me.

Why? I just loved that movie as a kid. I wanted to be one when I grew up. But I don't know if that, like, steered me into the job I have today. I was like, I can't be a Ghostbuster. I might as well work for Barstool. It's kind of close.

Very similar. I know a movie I saw as a kid that I rewatch and I was like, this movie is terrifying. Labyrinth, the Labyrinth. Pans Labyrinth? No, that's pretty fire. Oh, yeah, that was that with David Bowie? Yeah, David Bowie.

And I remember being terrified as a kid and I rewatch it as an adult and I was still terrified. Yeah. I mean, one that influenced me heavy for a while. What was the, was it just called Ghost, the Swayze movie? Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

So that, like, growing up in Boston, like, religion was everywhere, especially, like, Christianity, Catholicism, Irish Catholic. And the scenes where they were, the devil's shadows would come and just drag your soul to hell had me on the straight and narrow for a good three years there, where I just was like anything. I was like praying a lot in my head, like, please don't send me to hell for me crossing the, for jaywalking. like I was that was horrible but that was that was like the movie combined with being told I needed to live a shameful life because of religion for a long time the one piece of media I'm still very much addicted to and and think more people should watch a little bit more in depthly the original Grinch cartoon oh yeah the and even if you go deeper into Grinch Lur with with the the Jim Carrey one like they treat this guy like absolute shit just because he's a little different like Stanley just looks different

they same way Oscar the grouch dog they shit all my man lives in a trash can and they just shit on him all show and you wonder why he's grouchy it's because of y'all motherfuckers like they offer him no help they don't try to get him out of the trash can yeah like oh fam you want to come over for dinner

or something this last this last Christmas I saw a lot of people trying to like bash the Grinch and like the character not the movie they were trying to bash him and it's like people really weren't paying attention when they watched this fucking movie like especially in the the Jim Carrey one they go back to like when he was a kid how he how he got to Whoville like how he was raised how he was just bullied simply for being different and then they try and make him out to be this criminal for getting a little bit of payback a little bit revenge I don't completely agree with all of its tactics but the Grinch was in his heart a

really good dude who society just kept shitting on repeatedly and repeatedly. And finally they accept him when he takes away all their fucking toys and they're like, yeah, I guess you're a good guy. But man, oh man, I mean, the Grinch, everything he owns is trash. The

overconsumption of Whoville, including his best friend, Max. Someone got a dog, threw the dog away, and the Grinch kept him alive, kept him as a companion, a pal, his best friend. That's the kind of man, the grinch is that's he'll take anyone and if you give him a fair shake he'll give you a fair shake that's

why he like cindy luhoo that's why he like max he doesn't he doesn't have any uh issues with anyone else people have an issue with him okay he'll take that same issue but he's not out looking for fights but he'll end one that's why i fuck with the grinch good guy brer i'm i'm a super fan of your psychoanalization of the grinch that shit was actually a fire take i'm with that i think i think i think you got to say remember the titans i think it covers so many different aspects. I think it sounds funny, but it does. It covers like racism. It covers like growing up as like a like you want to be a team member. Like you want to be a team player. Like it's just all these like different aspects in life that you like you want to have like

characteristics you want to have growing up. I thought it was it was one of the best movies I've ever seen. Actually have never seen. What? Dude. It's one of the best. It's one of the best. I know it's football, but it's one of the best movies ever in terms of like, covering almost every aspect of life, like the, the morals you want to live by. It's incredible. I'm going to check it out. I'm going to check it out. Because my man's always got on my bumper about that.

Like, won't you go to watch it, bro? I'm like, I hate football movies. They're so corny to me. Denzo Washington's unbelievable. Yeah, and that's true. He's the goat. So I might be able to check it out because of him. But I got mine.

I just, I just remember mine. It's the last dragon. The last dragon is a hood flick, right? He's a black kung fu character, right? His name's Bruce Leroy with Shogun. That was probably the most influential flick I grew up with, though. It was just so like, because I was such an outcast, like I was, I'm just not like a regular cat in the circumstances I grew up in. So it's always made me feel good that that buddy was like different than everybody else and that that can be like the reason as to why we prosper is because you're different.

And so that was always a narrative I clung to as a kid. But, yeah, if you haven't seen it, Bruce Leroy is a hood hero and the Last Dragon is a classic. Nice. Let's grab one more. These are fun. The calling shit's are fun. Yeah, they're great. We'll do these more often.

Here we go. Last one. This one should be quick. Hi, this is Tommy from New York. I got a question for you guys here. So you've just smoked a blunt, right? This is a scenario question. You just smoked a blunt.

What are your guys' go to maybe meal, snack, right after you smoked up on? I actually have a theory about this, bro. All right, hear me out. The higher, and this probably more pertain when I was growing up more than now because all wheat is from dispensaries and shit now. But like, so, like, when we was growing up,

like, you would get, like, Reggie, you get mad and you get the high grade stuff, right? And so my theory growing up was like the grade in which you bought and which you were smoking was directly correlated to the munchies that you got. So if you was like smoking some reggie, it was potato chips and beef jerky for the for the munchies. But if you had the high grade shit, that's when like, I mean, at that time it was like you would do at McDonald's, like, you would get a really good meal. And so my go to is it depends on what I'm in a different circumstance, right?

like I'm I've done well for myself so I can literally go do whatever I want to but like my go to is a Japanese ramen or like a steak that's my that's my shit I mean yeah if you think about like how people pair wines like you get a nice a nicer wine at a nicer steakhouse so I don't I don't hate that correlation you just try to draw when I first started not when I first started smoking but when I first started rolling my own blunts which was about a year after I first started smoking. When I first started rolling my own blunts, I had a very, like, daily ritual. I would get off of work. I would go to the store. I'd get a strawberry Dutch. I would get a strawberry soapy. And I'd get the Oreo cakester, which was like the Oreo, but kind of like a mini

whoopey pie almost. I think they came in a three pack. And they had a vanilla cake with strawberry filling. So I would roll the blunt, which had the artificial strawberry taste. I'd smoke it. And then I would drink the strawberry sobi with the strawberry Oreo cakesters. And that was, I mean, I don't think I've had better times than that. Yeah. When I first started smoking weed, it was always chili concaeco dip with tostito chips. Love that. Nowadays, it's kind of just whatever is around, you know, like whatever I'm feeling.

But I do like a nice beverage after a blunt because they can be ruffled in the throat. so just like some nice fruit juice or something like that. Nice. Big tea, talk to us, man. So I guess I can't answer this question exactly how it was supposed. But if I am, if I were to guess, it would probably be, I mean, it's got to be Chick-fil-A. That's, that's my thing. Oh, my God.

Because it's literally the only food you eat. It's the best, it's the food of the, it's literally blessed by Jesus. Does it get blessed? blessed by Jesus? Well, all food can be blessed by Jesus if you wanted to. Is there like a priest in the back? He's like saying prayers overall. But they ascribe the love of Jesus Christ in the way that they prepare their food and serve you, except in New York where the service is decidedly below Chick-fil-A's corporate standard. But above New York. In January. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It has to be better because New York, people in New York are assholes, though. Have you guys ever had

Entiman's devil's the devil food cake Have you ever had that? Yes. It is, it might be one of the greatest creations ever made. And I think it's probably the best high. Like I,

you could go through a whole tray when you're high. So that's their friend. I think of what else? Once you're like, go to drink, Aryan. Are you talking about alcohol

or just regular drink? No, after you smoke. I, listen, I think that Dr. Pepper is some of the greatest assembly of molecules known to mankind. Aaron, you just became one of my favorite people for that take.

I'm just saying, bro, listen, Dr. Pepper is so, like, I have to actively not drink Dr. Pepper because I would drink that shit every fucking day. And I'm not an advocate for soda. I think it's trash. I think it has too much sugar in it. But, bro, Dr. Pepper has me. They had me. Now, have you tried the newer Dr. Pepper with cream soda?

Of course. Come on, man. I'm just making sure because it's controversial in the Pepper community. So how do you feel? They're not really Dr. Pepper fans. I think it adds something.

I think it adds something, right? I don't think I could do it on a regular. But like every now and then, you throw in a little cream soda, Dr. Pepper. Man, cousin, I'm good. They have a new one coming out, I think, four football season. And it's Dr. Pepper, chocolate.

I think they've gone a bridge too far. I'll try it, but I think they've got a bridge too far. I got it. It's like, yeah, I look at Dr. Pepper, like Kanye, like, I might not be a fan of everything that you do, but I'm going to check for you. So I'm going to try your stuff. Is it chocolate? Isn't it already one of the flavors in there? Probably, but they have cherry, like they have cherry, like they have cherry Dr. Pepper.

Right. Cherry is already in there. Right. But they're just going to. I do think, yeah, I think that's probably what's going on here. But it's, it's one of those things, like a little too much could definitely fuck up the balance. I'm a check for it. I'm a check for it.

I've always said when, when I was heavy into like Molly and Exacy, the best drink in the world for that was Dr. Pepper because you can truly taste all 23, all of them. So I'd be telling them, bro, I'd be telling them. I'd tell people there all the time. Like, no, I could taste every single one of these 23 flavors. I promise it. People used to drink chocolate before they started making it into candy bars.

It used to be like a drink that the Aztecs actually would consume. It was made into like a cocoa beverage. That's interesting. Yeah. A little hot, little hot chocolate. chocolate dark chocolate itself like um in in moderation is actually really healthy for you yeah true yeah yeah well shit man that was a fun segment i say we do that shit more yeah i really like that keep sending stuff in thanks for having me on what's what's the phone what's a phone number um it is

three four six wait let me pull it up real quick five five five five well while she looks it up uh arian what's big t's underwear yeah yeah we can do that let's go donnie do you do you know it's yeah yeah yeah oh you oh no he knows what it is why do you know what it is do you uh no no he just knows what the second is oh yeah i just no yeah i just didn't know if he knew oh i just i knew him on this morning yeah i thought you said donnie you know what it is right i know i was asking if he knew because he kind of looked he's my 12 year old oh goodness i am not I want that very clear circle.

There we go. We'll call the tech on that one, Doug. I'm going to go with, I'm going to go with, I'm feeling some kind of pattern, maybe striped. Let's go with, let's go with gray in there. Okay. So they are gray. They're just solid.

I almost wore stripes. Okay. Gray. I'll take it. I did almost. I was looking at stripes this morning. I was like, Aaron's going to guess like gray. I went neutral.

but so nice um wait oh wait big tear you playing into his guess because i don't want you to do i want well on mondays it's impossible now to wake up on monday and pick out a pair of boxers and not think about it i suppose but i don't want you doing you like you're almost out thinking him in a way if you're trying that no you know hold on that that's what's going on he's playing mental chess with what draws you're going to put on it's you can't like i guess y'all can't similarly to how i cannot ascribe to myself the feelings you guys have on mushrooms you guys can't understand what it's like to be me getting

dressed on Mondays now when I'm picking out underwear and I'm like well this is going to be a thing later so I've got to I don't want to get too crazy with it because I know like yeah so you got to how crazy how crazy can you get well

this morning I was looking at I had a pair let me find out one day you come up with some lace or some shit wrong there well this morning i was looking at a pair they were red and blue stripes i was like no that's too much that's too much to to like do for the show that's funny man that's what it it tickles me that every more every monday morning you wake up like oh fuck what am i gonna how am i gonna how am i

gonna finagle this yeah that's funny mad dog did you get the number yeah so the number is 347 560-0401 um i'll pose that too so three four seven five four seven five six zero zero four one um call about i would pose more like hypothetical questions you guys are welcome to call and give us topic suggestions but they just might not be on the show as much because we'll just use those and make them a whole episode so call ask um hypotheticals things about deaf and blind communities anything like that or if you want to or if you want to talk shit i want to i want to i want to hear some can't just highlight all the good you know what i mean it's okay that's okay to feed a little darkness every now.

Yeah, feed it to the evil. And there were some people that called Arian, Adrian. His name is Arian. I just want to like shout that out for Arian. But yeah, call in. Yeah, of course. Whatever you guys want, everyone I'm acrodosing, maybe Donnie'll come back to answer more of voicemails, anything

like that. But they were really funny. Also, one guy asked about improving his credit score. I don't know how to do that. It's a big fucking game and we should actually do a whole episode on credit actually because that is a fucking that's a that's a that's a hold to go down actually well see look at that maybe we should yeah yeah yeah so um if you guys want any questions specifically answered um that wouldn't go into a whole entire episode feel free to call in at the number i'll put it in like the instagram bio or the

Twitter bio or something so it's easy to access but yeah for sure for sure it was really fun i liked it yeah that was a fun little segment i think we're going to continue that so if anybody else doesn't have anything man no you well We're all good. We appreciate. We appreciate you hopping on, man. That shit was fun, man. Welcome back anytime, my brother.

Yeah, I had a blast. Thank you. PFT's not a drug guy, so that's why he's not here today. Yeah, for sure. Well, I think in five years, shrooms might be a type of medicine and not really as much a drug. True. He can just be a medicine guy. Right.

Medicine guy. We like it. All right, you guys, if you have any, PFT always says, if you have any criticisms or suggestions call us handsome or whatever the fuck he says or just don't whatever highlight us follow us on YouTube we're trying to get to 100K so we can get Big T to trip on shrooms with us

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