Macrodosing: Arian Foster and PFT Commenter - Silk Road

Episode Date: February 2, 2023

On today's episode of Macrodosing, the crew is back to talk about The Silk Road. You'll hear all the facts and everything you need to know. Also, some AI talk turns into a crazy conversation about Barstool Fan Fiction and the NFL being rigged made the podcast go viral. All of this and so much more on today's show. Enjoy!You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/macrodosing

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the beginning of the show while I was out. I was in undisclosed location doing a top secret interview for part of my take. But I'm back and I will be joining on for the second. second half of the show, but for now, let's kick it to these jokers in the studio and see all the trash that were talking about me when I was gone. Well, they can blow me. All right. Hey, that's how you're going to start the show right there. Yeah.

Who you want to blow you, Big T? Nah, that's okay. Bubble blowing. Welcome back to Mac. Shut up, man. You're fucking my intro. I'm sorry. I didn't know we were starting.

Welcome back to macro dosing minus PFT. the only podcast on the internet he is coming though right after he's on his way he's done blowing you he's not oh no no no no no he's under the table right now he's coming no are you coming once once big tea stop see you you you think you've given him license to to do jokes now and it's just what license to bill come on yeah you need you need permission to joke bill you hear that's what it sounds I know but he's the one who brought up blow jobs and now he's getting mad you did

you did what did you said i brought up a group of people who were to blow you okay anyway who who were to blow you welcome back everybody how's everybody feeling man i'm feeling great uh finally back home in houston

um everybody here today pft going to join us a little later he's doing something that's far more stupid and less important so uh yeah he'll join us a little later uh Today we're going to get into current events. We're going to get into viral tweets. But how's everybody feeling, man?

Go around the room, man. Mad Dog, we start with you. We never start with you, Mad Dog. Who may? You're the only bad dog in there. I'm good. The tweet going viral has made my day a little bit more funny. That's crazy.

When Alvin Kamara tweeted, it was like on the train this morning. I freaked out. I was like, holy shit. This is insane. Yeah. Because I also don't know a lot of. of the quote tweets like I don't know

who these people are like I didn't know who Marlon Humphrey was so I learned who he was this morning and how his script was is his script good or bad in bigger in bigger news we got Brian Conroy a thousand followers

yeah also my dad my dad wants to thank you guys because he got a thousand followers on Twitter yesterday that's fire shout out to the to the chef yeah so but I'm good nothing nothing to report here I'm just excited to be with you guys another day

February 1st actually happy Groundhog's Day no it's tomorrow oh yeah tomorrow would be Groundhog's day when it's coming out it's the start of black history month yeah that's what I thought you were going to I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry fucking Billy's racist confirmed

uh anyone else what you got going on Big T you good man yeah I mean you're you're the one who should be talking you're the viral sensation yeah you know and I'm mad we ain't talking about this and PFT is here because that little fucker started his whole thing man. He was the one I was the he'd be

wanting to clip this shit and I don't know man I always go viral for the dumbest shit for the dumbest shit for all the shit that I say that insightful or you know what I'm saying? That's the dumbest shit to go viral for it man. I don't know if you've seen it. Do you know how many views that tweet has?

Nah muted it after like 3,000 likes because I knew it's about to pop off. If you had to guess this is just how many people have seen the tweet impressions what would you guess? My mom has hit me All the homies I went to college with hit me

Past teammates have hit me So if I were to guess Just by that social gauge It's made its way around Sports Twitter for sure Um I'll say around Two

Two three million views Oh boy Not even remotely close 74 million No way What It was that part? It was at like

64 when I walked in here we've been sitting in here probably 30 minutes maybe an hour so it says the video has 5.7 million views but you have to watch the video for a while for it to count as a video view the tweet has 74 million views. PFT's

tweet? Yes. Oh my god so that means it caught every part of the internet it caught sports internet it caught conspiracy internet it caught anti-conspiracy internet it caught everything that shit's crazy man. You were trending last night. It was all over. I saw that. That's wild. It's just so crazy because I didn't

want to be a part of that shit. Honestly, I hate going vial for stupid shit. But fuck it. It's funny. It's good for the show. It's great for the show. But the funnier part of this shit is the people thinking I'm serious. And they're like, because I can't even open my Twitter now. It's full of this shit. And so it's like, clout chasing. You want attention, huh? And I'm like, actually, it's PFT that wants the attention. So I didn't even ask for it. He was just, it was his bit. He started it. I'm just, we play off each other well. I'm a good actor. And fuck, now I'm in the Larry

Johnson category. God damn. I would say 95% of people knew it was a joke, but 5% of 74 million is still a lot, and there were a lot of people who thought it was serious. That's true. Yeah, there's mad people like, yo, protect him.

Yeah, he's going to get shot. So I fucked with him a little bit this morning. I was like, I have no plans on committing suicide, and I'm healthy as it not. I don't even know if Ox's are healthy like that. But, man, it's, uh, it's pretty funny. My mom's hitting me. She's tweeting about it.

That's the thing. It was like, my old, my old PR dude that used to work for the Houston, Texas hit me. He was like, you're fucking hilarious, though. Well, that's the thing. It was like, you were so convincing in your argument. You were like, you didn't say, you didn't laugh or anything. You were straight-faced, like, yep, got the script. Like, this is what happened.

So I could see how, like, the character. Yeah, I could see how, like, the people who, like, think like the election was stolen and whatnot would probably think that the NFL is also rigged. I think that, yeah, the bad part about it is now because if you have ever watched the show before this, like you know exactly where I stand on that shit, right? But like, if you've never really listened to me talk before,

if you ever hear me say, I was playing, dog, like, you're already convinced. And so like, you're going to be like, no, man, it got to you or it paid you all, you know what I'm saying? there's going to be shit like that. So it's like, that's how shit gets. Matter of fact, we wanted to start a conspiracy at the live show, right? Yeah. The very, the very next show, we got this shit popping like, it's very major way. So shit, we did it. You know what? Hats off there, everybody involved. Congrats. We did it. That was our goal. We did it. So my favorite part of the whole thing,

there's a Fox News article about it. And, uh, and it, uh, it describes what happened. It says, Foster was then asked about the script he got when his career, quote, fell off a cliff when he stopped believing in God. Yeah, that show was hilarious. Yeah, I'm glad you got a little shine in there too, big. That was a funny joke. It was a great clip.

It's a good clip. It was a good clip. Like, in the time we've been talking here, it's at 74.7 million. So another 700,000 people have seen it in the three minutes we've been talking. Yeah, it's going to. I'm glad I muted it.

There's no way I could be able to participate in Twitter. 74 million people, dog That's like a That's insane, dog That's insane That's crazy God It just sucks

Cause we have to address That shit Like one of the homies hit me He's like hey man You want to come on my Radio show And address I don't actually

I don't want to come on I don't want it's not a real thing Why are we talking about Was that? Was it Ramon Foster? No, that I wasn't I was just guessing

former teammates that had radio shows I don't know any others There's a lot of them Everybody everybody got a microphone It's a good gig It's not bad man pays well i liked him we had remone on here we should get him on for like an actual

episode when did we have him he came on to answer like a couple questions like maybe like oh that's right i don't remember this you don't remember he was on our pod yeah yeah was i think yeah i think i think i vaguely remember it was i i i don't know are you sure yeah i'm almost positive i'm almost suspended for this i don't remember this either i haven't talked to ramone foster yeah i think i think he was on bro i'm almost 100% positive i thought he was your brother for a really long time yeah we used to fuck with each other in college uh fuck with everybody in college for a long time to say that's my brother though for real that have been lit some of these these quote tweets

are hilarious it's some of the funniest quote tweets i've ever seen dog like that's gonna go down in one of the funniest like you remember like uh yeah i don't know if you was y'all around for nigger navy yeah all right let's say yes but uh but it was one of the funniest days on twitter right like just that day in general and so like when you go through those quotes like i had that much fun reading some of these quote tweets though like so much it's like very funny very dark twisted humor but it's hilarious like some brilliant comedy in there like if anything it was worth all of that. It was definitely worth that week. We started a viral trend. I bookmarked a bunch of my favorites. There's a kid banging on a front door with a ring camera with a whip. It says Adrian Foster,

Adrian Foster, Adrian Peterson coming home after reading his 2014 script. Oh my God. I brought, I ain't even going to say that one. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go, go, go. There's one. It says Jason Pierre Paul reading his 2015 offseason script and it's Hannibal Burris just looking at his hands saw that one I mean there's so many I put together a blog with all the highest trending ones and one of them is

Michael Vick's dog seeing the 2007 script and it's a pug just freaking out oh that's funny we got post some of them shit's on the page man because some of them is pure comedic yeah I'll have to go through all of them I went to them and blogging this morning I'll send him to the group

there's this one where it's like Aaron Hernandez reading his 2013 script, and it's just Almo, like, looking terrified. I saw it out, too. That's just fucked up, no. It's just fucked up. It's like Matt Ryan reading the halftime script at the Super Bowl. I, for one, feel a lot better knowing that was scripted. Yeah.

Oh, wait. I'm actually going to play this one. This one says Josh Gordon is dealer after getting the script. This one needs audio. After all this, you still? I still want that gas, yes. And you had better deliver. Just like, I still want the gas.

It's better in the tweet format. Yeah, no, I think this is play way better over Twitter. But it's been, it was a funny day. Glad you participated in it. For all those who are coming here to check and see what I really feel, know that shit isn't scripted, stupid. That would be dumb as hell. No, no, no.

Yes, it is. Yes, it is. That ain't no way you can get 30 people on the same page Much less an entire league, bro Cut the games Barstle's scripted We all get a scripted

I mean shit For all we know life is scripted You know what I mean There is an argument to be had That by that measure the NFL is scripted Okay If we take it to that extent Then it is yeah

I mean To all the world is stage We all just play our part Or some shit like that Shakespeare says some shit like that There's actually a greater philosophical sort of way this ties into like predestination like that's what that's what I'm saying like if you if you don't believe in free will then the NFL is scripted true that's like big

uh Protestant reformation vibes we'll look back into history I dug into free will while back and wrote a read a whole bunch of books on it and I'm not sure that free will exists um especially in the that we think of it. But I remain unconvinced that free will in that sense is a thing. I don't even think it's possible, honestly. That's interesting to me. I would feel like you would have the exact opposite take. Well, no, because I think I think free will exist in the sense of like I can pick up this piece of paper and if I want to, like that in that sense was like I have agency over what I do. But if you break it down evolutionarily, if you break it down scientifically, it's hard to make an argument that it actually exists. Because if all we are is a product of our environment

and our genes, neither one of those are in our control. Right. So if you're a product of your environment and your genes, you're going to be reacting to your environment in concordance with how your genes are structured and the way your synapses fire in your brain. And none of that has anything to do with your control. And so if we can assume those premises to be true, I fail to see how you actually have real agency over real events in your life and how you feel about things.

And that's why I guess it's kind of, see, I would say that those things can influence you to make a decision, but you still have to make the decision. But like there's no way to really argue against one or the other because like you don't know. Sure, it's a philosophical argument. But I'm always intrigued with the arguments.

So I would love to like to hear the counter argument. No, because like if let's say for instance, I grow up and all I see is domestic violence, right? I see people in my house being violent and violent, violent. And so like I'm going to have like some kind of pre-decision. the predisposition to that event, right, whether it be anti that or it causes me to react in a way that that's normal for me, to I perpetuate that behavior. The initial domestic violence is the catalyst. And my genes would interpret how I interpret it. You know what I mean? And so it's really hard for me to see how you have control over that. If I'm predisposed to have certain

kind of thoughts about this reaction, I mean about this action. My reaction is kind of out of my control. It's wild. It's wild to think about Einstein also didn't believe in free will. That is a whole other aspect of it. When you break down like time and space, time and space are, they exist separate from your perspective of it. So we could like live in different, like we all agree we're sharing the same now right it's like we're like we all say okay this is now right um but depending on how you're moving through space is how you're moving through time so we're if we're in different time and space uh and and you're moving slower or faster than me are nows no longer correlate so my now is here you're now is here right whether it be a second or a millisecond or whatever but what that

means is the past is very real and the future is very real and it's all happening and you're just experiencing your own section of it in your now. And that's why the NFL is scripted? Yeah, we said all this to say that. Just just clip, say that so then you can get something philosophical

trending and going viral. We already went viral. We ain't no going viral two days in a row. That shit would never happen. Hey, lighten don't think twice, Billy. Gotta stay hungry. But there is any part of you, is any part of you like, fuck, man.

I do all this shit to try to go viral and such silly shit like that went viral I mean I think I'm not really that's a philosophical question because there's some people like I don't really try

I don't know it's weird I didn't really thought I was ever going to get like Big T did you ever Do you try to go viral? No I kind of got into this job never actually wanted to be a content

I like never thought I would be a content creator my life So, like, wanting to do outrageous shit to go viral, it didn't really, like, I don't know. It's just good for the show. Like, if the show goes viral, like, the show going viral. Actually, I want the show to go viral. I myself don't want to go viral. I mean, I think we want the things we do to be viewed by a lot of people and do well.

I don't do anything intentionally like I am setting out for this to go viral. Yeah. I think that's the misconception about that clip as well. I was like, because I'm in the crosshairs. And so, of course, I get all the, even though it was fucking PFT that prompted that whole shit. But like, I'm in the crosshairs and people that, you just want attention. I'm like, I promise you I don't.

I could not care less about that shit. And it's silly. It's very silly. Like, PFT sort of crafted that whole situation. Honestly, like, just like looking at how the maestro works, like how he put that together, let you in, set you up. knowing and then he like immediately after he was like clip this knowing that it would do the numbers and it's more like he didn't really want to go viral he just knew how to create great content

that would spread to all parts of the internet which was something there's no way he knew it was i think he knew it was going to get a little traction there's no way he going to do with it well he knew it was going to do well no one knows like you know no one like i don't even think steve jobs or like these creators of stuff that are increasingly successful knows that it's going to do like that well like they think it's going to do decently but it's just you know you know we we're content creators i mean we work in this field so seeing something like that occur in real time it's just so like it's like watching bo jacks and running the football like you appreciate that to a different level you know it's i know it sounds stupid but it's just it's your baby you created in the lab

it's like wow like it's right because like i'm not really in the i mean i guess i'm on this podcast but I'm not really in the world of content creation. So I'd never try to curate anything. And I think I've been viral, for real, for real viral, like four times in my life. I think the first one was. Wolfe. Definitely the wolf. The very first one was when I was just, it was just like an honest moment.

I had pulled my hamstring and I took a picture of it and posted it on Instagram. and like it went crazy like I had sports segment shows arguing about it all that type of shit and I think the other one was when I signed my contract initially I cried in the press conference and that went pretty viral so much

so it was like LeBron James started following me and shit it was a pretty cool moment for me I was like and now I think it was the only moment I went viral for where it was like like showed my humane side the other ones is like you're a fucking idiot you can't beat wolf.

It would feel as not scripted. I would maybe also add tacos. That went pretty viral. Yeah, okay. Yeah, that was viral too. Yeah, so many five or six times. Yeah, five.

So what kind of picture do you take of your hamstring? Just literally like a picture of your... No, no, no. It was the actual MRI that showed the information on the back side. And people were like, you're getting away secrets to the other team. I'm like, bro, they obviously know what a hamstring looks like when it's pulled. I promise you. but it's whatever do you have like I just didn't think of it I just really just like it was like

that was Instagram's early days too like I'm talking about early like when the Instagram found first come Instagram I think it was like 2012 I remember no I think it was before that it was like late 10 early 11 2010 there you go yeah so it that was in 2011 is when I did that and I was like anti-awsonness or some shit like that and yeah people went 8 shit. I just, I searched your name on Twitter just to see what people are saying. This is pretty funny. I always liked Aryan Foster because he had a unique personality among NFL players, but that personality was mostly your weed dealer who tells you he's training his dog to be a Navy seal. That's crazy. That's just a, it's just the guy capitalizing on the moment. I ain't

even mad at it. Get your clicks dog. And you hate dogs. And I hate dogs. And I hate dogs. And I hate dogs. And I pretty impressive shit though man that this little podcast that we started could reach the world like that man the little engine that could well it keeps on going keeps on going and going man what else we got out there's not much else going on

in the world today actually Tom Brady retired yeah part of the script it is it is a tough argument to make against the script when the day after this comes out maybe Goodell tries to cover it up a little bit with Tom Brady retiring damn

damn it was crazy it's like there's several other NFL players trending because of the script thing yeah because of the joke that they get in off

just because of the script that's just even more funny but is he done for real is Tom done for real for yeah I think so we have more of that tweet has more views than Tom Bray's retirement tweet

probably that's crazy Dr. Phil also retiring, another goat. I would not call him a goat. Oh, he's a TV goat. I could see Big T being the next Dr. Phil. That's a compliment I am not worthy of. I think you could do it.

No, Dr. Phil's a legend. I know. I think he's definitely a legend. Like some of the shit, I'm not a fan of. I've watched a little bit of him, but like some of the shit he says stupid, but some of the shit he says he's going. And he started that fucking, who that little girl? Cash me outside.

Bad baby. Yeah, they started that shit. So for that alone, you get a little doc. She's a millionaire now, which many times over. I bet she's richer than Aryan. Yeah. Yeah, she made more on only fans in like a day than Aaron. That's insane.

Yeah. That's insane. There's no telling. I can't, I can't 100% see a lot of this shit because a lot of, a lot of the, The money that these cats get, they either trick it off or it's not as real as it looks. And so I never really do the net worth, the celebrity net worth things because I know people who are hella rich that don't get marketed that way and exactly the opposite. So you can never really tell.

But yeah, yeah, he started that shit. Some of the richest people in the world, we just have no idea who they are. That's the kind of rich, I want to be. You don't know who I am. But like, they're richer than Putin. and they just stay. I mean, you're describing the Saudi royal family. We do know who they are.

We just don't know how much money they have. Yeah, just like crazy stuff. A trillion or so. I was just looking up your press conference. And I didn't know that you interviewed PFT like four years ago for your podcast. Yeah, and Big Cat. That's funny. Really?

Yeah. You don't listen to that. Yeah, it was a really good podcast. We had a lot of dope ass gets on. It's in our old office. Yeah, you got Snoop Dog. I had Snoop. I had one of my favorite ones

wasn't like a well-known dude but we had this dude named Nick Irving Nick Irving was a Army sniper and like he told stories on how he actually like killed somebody like the first time he did it

and like what it did to him and how he processed the shit it was one of my favorite episodes because it was so fascinating it was wild I didn't know you interviewed Beto too that I got to listen to that yep definitely interviewed

Beto My politics My politics weren't as Left as they were Now Yeah But it's still a good conversation I'm adding the

The sniper one to my Watch later Okay Yeah it's a really good one I listened to the Your interview with PFT and Big Cat Before I started on here Like

Really Because I didn't really know who you were No offense No before I started working here like I knew you were an NFL player but obviously I was like a 12 year old girl when you were in the NFL and so I was like who is this guy

and then I watched your PFT Big Cat interview that was like one of the first things I watched at you That's wild I know come full circle huh I know how funny is that Come full circle What else going on in the world of news today I don't know

T you usually caught up on that There's a lot of that this Twitch streamer drama between Mr. Beas and this dude who had to apologize for being caught watching deep fake porn of some of his

not co-workers but fellow Twitch streamers like PokeyMane it's a whole thing I think this guy's Yeah, catch me up on this because I think I've seen PFT tweeted about that shit but I don't know exactly know what's going on. So basically there's a Twitch streamer named Atrioc I think. Yeah, Atriac

YouTuber streamer And he was like streaming and he was going through and at one point his stream went to his tabs pages. I think he was trying to just like on his PC separating all of his different apps and whatnot. And it showed a page that was on a website that was deep fake porn of fellow streamers, Pokemon and another female streamer. And then, you know, his stream basically caught him. and you know wait hold on hold on so he beat off at his like computer where he no he was just he was just viewing he was looking at it he then

apologized uh with his wife in the background and he was crying during it and apologizing for looking at the stuff oh no oh so he didn't he didn't beat off to it we we don't know but he says he didn't well okay it's why is his wife in a background because it's it's like i don't know he's trying to come over i think he i think he had caught beating off or as why would his wife be in the background i think he brought his wife to get compassion from the viewers i feel like when you have that meant like i don't know i think when your your whole you know like careers about likability that kind of stuff plays it was yeah i think he's It's pretty ridiculous to people outside of the screen, but it does bring up a very interesting point about deep fakes, AI technology.

He apparently said he was research, it was for research purposes, which is like as kept. I mean, it's, it's crazy, you know, what's that a rule 34? What is that? That anything that exists has porn. Yeah. So like, has porn made a, about it. So, like, whether that be fan fiction or literal, like, porn. So, like, there's Barstool porn out there, I'm sure. I actually, sure. Like fan fiction. I'm, I'm, I could, I will, I'm, yeah, there's definitely like Big Cat PFT fan fiction that were they fall in love. So this is, this is probably like equivalent situation. Your face. This is probably equivalent of situation. If I got caught looking up deep fake big cat PFT,

stuff and then I like apologized like that oh are they in the same like are they in the same like social kind of they've streamed together that's why but then it brings up like oh wow yeah how she responded to it that's yeah she's like non-consensual porn because it's it is like people like becoming sexualized uh without consent

that's I think I first came in contact with something like that when um remember i think it was like early 2010s when people were hacking like uh famous people's eye clouds oh and like exposing they like nudes and shit and like people were putting them all over the internet and i remember i think it was jenniferous that came out she was like i'm paraphrasing her but she she came out and said something along the lines of like if i don't consent to it like that's that's rape like you're you're you're you're you're you're you're you're you're degrading me like I never gave you consent like that that shit changed my entire outlook on that because I just couldn't imagine like some like a woman that I love going through that shit

like even deep fake you know what I'm saying it's it's fucking infuriating and degrading there's no way that's okay I'll never fuck that that shit's disgusting though so this guy was basically in trouble because he was sort of not encouraging but sponsoring those types of actions by viewing it, but he claims he was doing it for research. That's cap. Why would you, why would you, what would you, what would you keep tab up? Or why, like, if you're doing it for research, why not, like, what research? You know, I have so many follow-up questions.

There's no, there's no way. He said it was out of morbid curiosity, was his quote. That's not research. He was like, he was like, what, like, he was, what is this? I got to see this. Nah, man, exactly what it sounds like, gee. He also said he was clicking on, like, a link. I think there was something, let me look, but like he was on a porn website.

So he admitted to being on a porn website and saw an ad for that and clicked on it. And clicked on that. So he wasn't, yeah, so he'd be beating off at his desk. He has to. He has to. 100%. Yeah. And the link popped up and it just happened.

And that's conflicting. And he also looked at it because of research. So he was on a porn, a regular porn site, saw an ad, clicked on it while he was researching? Wait, wait, he, okay, actually, this is way worse. He admitted that he clicked on an ad for a deep fake porn while browsing porn hub. What? Yeah, that's no word.

Oh, my God. Yeah, he was a strolling porn hub for research. That ad took him to another subscriber-only website, he said, where he paid to view the images of popular female streamers. He was driven by more. That's so much worse. That's even, yeah, it's way worse. I just described it in a way.

his wife said that porn is not a pattern wait non-consensual wait that his watching non-consensual porn is not a pattern of behavior his wife cosplayer Ariana Ewing sat in the background of the stream and cried cosplayer that's her profession yeah man everyone does something for a living like you got to respect it you don't have to respect it like come on everyone's got we're podcasters yeah there are a lot of people who don't respect that yeah

So who are we to judge? I was just asking if that was her profession or a hobby. So she caught him doing this and made him apologize on like a stream? I don't know, no, no, the streamers caught him because he had the tab open. Got it. When he showed his screen. Got it. That's why it's bullshit.

If they, if they never caught him, we would have never heard about his fucking research. That's nonsense. That sucks. That's great. Imagine getting caught looking up. like bar stool deep fakes that's wow that's wow bro

I hope that doesn't exist where do you stand on deep on deep fakes big too you think it exists barstool porn a thousand percent I could go find it right now I'm not going to are you gonna do the morbid curiosity research

I'm not going to do the morbid curiosity research because all business Pete would be able to see that on my laptop but no I also don't have the morbid curiosity to know if the people I work with have porn written about them. But yeah, it definitely exists.

Obviously, it's not going to be like real porn, but it's going to be like fan fiction. Yeah. A thousand percent. Which is like, I'll look at. It's writing. It's like writing. Bro, people write like weird shit. Not like novels about celebrities.

That's not that. And it's like smut. So it'll be like PFT women and yeah. Okay. No, you're non-consensually creating stories. I didn't say shit. I just had three words. What should I type in for that?

Nothing. Don't do it. I got a fan fix. Yeah, I type that in. Nothing came up. Go to stream you crying. Go to what, whoa, whoa, wait, everybody stop talking. Madeline was about, stop talking, stop talking.

Madeline was about to admit she knows the website where this kind of stuff exists. Yeah, it was on Tumblr in high school. Yeah. Oh, it's just Tumblr? Yeah, Tumblr. And then like from there, it's like Wattpad is a big one. Do you remember like after like the Harry Styles movie? I don't know.

I asked you guys that. I didn't know there was a Harry Stiles movie. Maddie, as your, as your lawyer, I'm going to. I'm going to advise you to stop talking about this. Wattpad is the, it's not like a, it's like a very well-known website. Watt pad is where it would be. What, what is that called? W-P-P-A-D?

W-A-T-P-A-D. W-A-T-P-A-B. J-J-J-J-J-J-J-J-J-J-J-J. That's, yeah, that's not me like incriminating myself. That's like every. No, I wouldn't have you say it if I thought it was illegal. So that's a thing, reading those stories? Yeah, that's like,

like it's like every like one direction member had it like harry potter star wars all of them they take characters and hold on ain't harry potter underage i think he i don't know i didn't i've never seen her read harry potter yeah it's but okay then they haven't and it's like it's like it's like they'll be like illegal hermione and ron or you know or it's a lot of the times it's like in in their in their fan fiction world it'll be like two of the guy characters that are straight in the books or the movies that are gay in like so like one direction had it where harry styles and then one of the other members louis tomlinson people would write fan fiction about them being together well yeah so dr peterson dr jordan Peterson was right well about

rule 34 no i i i saw a clip about him and he was literally talking about how a lot of people read novels. Yeah, like it's like smart novels like how like your mom would buy romance novels

in the grocery store is the same thing but do people like actually do people like masturbate to this stuff yes so time out

there's people out there who because I thought it was kind of a synonymous thing I mean like across the board everybody masturbates

to visual things there's people who read stuff and get off to that Dr. Jordan Peterson was on Rogan recently And he said that There's some people who There's like two types of sexuality

When it comes to masturbation It's like visual What you're talking about, Arian And then there's like people who read stories Yeah, that's the fan fiction That's exactly what it is Yeah, I'm for sure going on a list For looking this shit up

But I can't So I typed in Barstool And there's one about this like So you would think that PFT's government name is on here but but it's the other person's name is Ray so I don't know if this is about barstool or this is just or it's like PFT if the person had a crush on PFT you'd be like PFT

and your name like insert your name yeah his government names on here but this is fucked up yeah I don't want to read it read it read it to us and we'll we'll cut it yeah but all right actually let's not no no you don't want to no I actually don't want this part because PFT's not here so if he walks and he's like what the fuck guys so let's let's like No, it's fine. But yeah, I just, no, I'm not reading this. Yeah, but that's what people do. That's what, like, girls will write, like, 100,000 words novels about it.

Time out. We're going to tell him when he comes that we found this. I think it's his choice whether or not to read it. I want to give him the option. But I would, is there any of me? I would, I would love, even if we don't, we don't have to read it aloud on the show, but just his reaction to reading it. I'll read one sentence.

Ray fucked like a jackhammer, not even trying to make it smooth. for Eric. Yeah, he's got to read that. He's got to read that. No, no, we got to delete all of his.

We are just as bad as Atriac right now. How? But I don't know if they're talking about PFT. That's the thing. I just typed in Barstool. It's called Barstool,

but the, the quote that starts, it says, you know, never noticed it till now, but these fucking stools are giving me back pain. So I don't know.

regardless. This is fucked up. This is way too descriptive. I think that's something different. Okay. I got to get off this website. Yeah, you're definitely flagged now. 100% dude.

Knock on the door. The shit that's on here. That was like maybe the most PG thing I could have read. I'm back in the studio. The boys and girls have something that they want to tell me, something they want to ask me about. So we're going to get to that after this ad read. And then we'll get into a bunch of stuff about the Silkwood.

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company you're using. Do you see that? Yeah, I did see that. There's a little card that was in the cart. So, um, you guys had something that you wanted to ask me or talk to me about. So yeah, okay, so I'll do it. All right. So we were discussing, um, there was a streamer that, uh, that you tweeted about when he was he got caught we don't know if he got caught watching or just was doing research he was definitely looking at the deep fake of some other streamer yeah and um that got to us to talking and mad dog actually exposed herself for no i didn't expose anything they did no knowing about some known about some some hot bar stool page where they do like mad dog do like these like fan fucking rule but like they just type it out fantasy shit hold on y'all let me cook hold all y'all it's irrelevant which all yeah no no no fuck a barstool employee no but they're just like fan fans just type in like weird shit about like their fantasies about y'all but anyway so though there is a thread about you maybe we don't know if it's 100% about you but we wanted to know if you wanted to read it out loud

because we believe in consent on this show i'll read it out loud but i'll read it out loud but i reserve also the right to delete this part of the podcast later. Yes. Because I don't know what I'm about to read out loud. So it's stained. So Mad Dog basically had an Avery J-O-I moment. No, I did it. No, I did it. If you know about that

stuff, that means that you had to frequent it. No, I did it. I still don't understand what this page is. It's Rule 34, you know, Rule 34. No. Everything on the internet. Everything on the internet has porn around. Okay. So I said, I bet you PFT has fan fiction. written about him.

I got to go. Then everyone looked it up. What's the name of the website again? And I know. Then I said, I said we shouldn't go into this without PFT's consent because I appreciate that. Yeah, I was the man of reason. They're trying to tell me that just because I know what the website is is that I'm some crazy person.

No, every girl growing up knew what that was. Okay. So you do know what it is. I know what the website is. I know what it's not her fault. It's not her fault that she knows. Not know what it is. I know what the website is.

I know what a lot of websites are. It's not her fault that she knows what it was. It's not like she invented the website. Yeah. She just goes to it all the time. I don't go to it all the time. I've never, no, no. But I know the website.

You've never. No. You've never. For the record, I've been to the Silk Road. Just want to get that off my chest. Okay. Like, I know what Pornhub is. I've never been on Pornhub in my life.

That's the same thing. All right. So I'm going to send it over. I am guilty of that. So I typed in Barstle Sports Wattpad. this is what came up as the first one. I don't know if it's associated with Barstool, but the people in it,

one of them is your first name, your first government name. Brother. Your brother, yes. Rest and peace. I don't think that it's actually about him. So the beginning is like fine, but if you get deep enough,

it's really bad. It's really bad. And I read maybe the most PG party the entire thing. Is there any parts that, would denote it's actually about barstool sports or just a barstool it's so long i didn't want to read that deep but um like i would say about 80% of this is like extremely detailed uh sex things um you sent uh me this and i regret clicking on it but having done so this isn't about barstall sports yeah that's what i was yeah i have a fee yeah i'm scrolling through her right now

it's sick i i got to get off this page it's this actually sick. I don't think this is about me. It's not. This is about this is a furry thing. What? But the title was Barstool, so I just read I read part of it but yeah, it's bad. Oh, I'd be getting some furry action. This is about me fucking a furry

who's pretending to be a dog. I want to make it clear that I didn't read that stuff in high school. I didn't read that. No, it's clear. It's not because I say that I'm only 41. Yeah. Yeah, this is, I don't think this is. This is disturbing.

I actually think we found, I think we found something that. I can't believe, this guy, whoever wrote this needs to be in prison. Oh, my, I, I regret. No, stop. What'd you find? No, I'm not going to, I'm not going to say it. I'll, I'll screenshot it and send it to y'all. So, you know what, let's, yeah.

No, we don't have to cut it, but I don't think we should talk about this. I don't, I don't, there's nothing in here besides, besides the first name that would indicate that this was me. Yeah, this, that's like a coincidence. I've, uh, hand up, I've never fucked a dog or so anybody who pretends that they're a dog. Got it. Never happened. Anyone who pretends, are you denying the lived experience and, um, gender identity of furries? We're talking about, that's not gender.

That's, it's an, pretend to be an animal. That's, that's a form of self-expression. It's not, it's not, shut up, get up. Speaking, not very lib of y'all. Speaking of furries, so like when my feet got on a live stream one time, a bunch of random accounts are messaging me to send feet picks. Since that Kansas City super fan video came out, a lot of people, a lot of random anonymous accounts, DMing me being like, hey, do you like dressing up as an animal? And I was like, who do you? No.

But that was a maybe. I mean that your inflection went up there no I mean it was fun dressing up as a super fan you said no like it was a question but but like it was crazy there's the same interest yeah like it brought them out like me just putting on that that mask and interviewing people in it yeah they didn't care who I was so I put on the mask uh no this is officially I can relate Billy I can relate officially not me in this in this fanfic allegedly allegedly yeah I've And I don't know. Is this, what's the name of the website? Watt. Watt Pad, but Mad Dog knew about it somehow. Shut up. No, you guys are being annoying.

Shut up. No, I didn't. Mad Dog ascertain. I know what the website is. I don't know. You definitely knew about it. I know what the website is. Yeah, I know what a lot of websites are.

So do you guys. So I've never heard of this. Well, we brought, when I brought up Rule 34, I was giving an example. We do. I was giving an example of how the streamer was like looking up basically some of his basically co-workers so it would be like if I got caught looking up you know a rule 34 about part of my take he was watching like deep fake stuff yeah so it would be like if there was a pfd and big cat deep fake in me being caught watching it got it that be that would be weird and then

mad dog was like there's definitely is rule 34 it's on this website what's that i didn't say it like that i know i know i know it wasn't like that you guys are making it seem like i go seek this shit out No, no, no, but should we now, for the, for the listeners, go seek some of this out and see if it's real? Nope. No. No. Okay. No.

No, because the shit I just saw, I never want to see again. Yeah, I read what Big T said, it sent in the chat isn't even close to as bad as what's at the bottom of it. I read too much on that page already. You guys are, I know, I didn't do that kind of stuff. So, uh. Especially about my co-worker. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, if you, if you watch deep fake stuff. of your coworkers that's you should be in prison probably that's your dating it's interesting it's interesting I'm definitely against it uh what are you guys's thoughts on

the efficacy of it as far as or not even the efficacy the legalities of it like should we make it illegal? I think it probably should be because imagine that you're on the internet one day and all of a sudden a clip of you goes viral and you're like fucking yeah yeah imagine that's that's that's that's

different but imagine it's like a video of you fucking somebody and it's not you wow it's something that's that somebody's created but what's the old saying it's like the a lie will travel around the world before the truth has a chance to put its pants on that's exactly what happened with arian today yeah so what i think that's that that could ruin somebody's entire life yeah that's true yeah and their stuff i saw a tic-tok yesterday it was uh the top was Morgan freeman and the bottom was a guy doing a voiceover and Morgan freeman's mouth was moving with this guy's voice and like if you didn't see the bottom it was Morgan freeman talking yeah it was insane deepfakes they scare me yeah the only way that i think the counteract this type

of shit is there needs to be like a software detection thing that we need to run the video through you know what I'm saying like engineers need to be working around the clock on that shit like yesterday just because it can get really like there it's in its infancy and so like 10 years from now you're not going to be able to tell a difference and so there needs to be like you know run it through the blah blah blah so it can so we can see if it's real or not if it's got it needs to be known well if it's got like the robot fingerprints on the AI fingerprints on it then something something this is why like there there should be limits to free speech on the internet and things that you can put on certain websites i think like twitter's

big enough where it can actually ruin somebody's life if something like that comes out. They don't have a chance to make it clear that it's not them or even they do make it clear and not enough people see the denial of it. So I don't know. We're in a weird, weird place right now. I don't think the technology is quite there yet. I know they're making a movie using the deep fake technology to make Tom, Tom Hanks look younger. But the Tom Cruise deep fake that goes viral on Snapchat of a guy pretending to be Tom Cruise, you can still kind of tell it's not him. Yeah. And I think in all these videos.

But that was from like two years ago. Yeah. And things are exponential. Yeah. It's improving real fast. Shout out PFT, 100 million views on the tweet. All right. I'm sorry.

I'm sorry if Arian's reputation has been sullied. Oh my God, Sam. I watched it back this morning. And I was like, there's no way. There's no way that people think that he's been. being serious with this. If you watch it and you listen to what Aaron is saying, I think what's getting lost behind all this is my acting skills.

I think that's what nobody's paying attention to right now. I mean, draft day was absolutely a hit. And then this, I should be able to put this on my acting resume. Yeah. This probably got more views than draft day. You should go back and retroactively get hired by Yellowstone based on your performance in this. Absolutely. Run it back and say,

I mean, look how I got the internet going nuts. Do you want this for your show? I don't know. Yeah. You know, it's actually crazy because Big T is also in the video and he asked that question. The fact that after that, people didn't realize there was a joke. I was so proud of that line, too. I texted a friend of mine yesterday.

I was like, I've got a line in tomorrow's macro dosing that's like extremely funny. And it's been just completely overshadowed. I think that's the best part of the clip is Big T at the end just coming over the top with, well fuck you atheist i it i rarely think i'm funny i was like that was really funny and no one cares it literally started the trend because everyone's quote tweeting just like you made that comment like a hypothetical situation that's funny yeah so you started a serious internet trend yeah big trend i would big trending i like it i was i was telling mad dog uh just a couple minutes before you got on here that i was considering muting the conversation because i know you

muted your replies and stuff on Twitter. Easily. I was thinking about doing it, but then every time I would consider doing it, another professional football player would say something very funny about like Robert Mathis just said, wait a second, I thought when Aaron scored against us, I was trying to stop him. Those sorts

of things. Oh, damn. I missed okay, so I missed a whole bunch of shit like that. Yeah. I stayed off because I started to get a whole bunch of the, DeMora Hamlin, was him getting CPR? Was that scripted two asshole? I'm like, oh my God, you niggas is dumb. Yeah. Well, And there's also a lot of people that preemptively said, now watch,

Aaron's going to try to walk this back tomorrow, but he's already said it and we know the truth now. People that are like, man, you like basically fall into a couple different camps watching this video. Some people are like, man, Aryan Foster is an idiot. Or you're like, this is very funny. Or you're like, Aaron Foster finally speaks the truth. Thank you, Aaron.

I appreciate it. And I won't be told otherwise. I always knew something was up. And thank you for being the first person. with the guts to say it. Yeah. So one guy was like, I've always known that this was the case.

I'm so glad that Aryan's the first one with the boss to step up and say that there's a script. And then somebody replied to him and was like, how, why is he the only one that said that? And the first person replied, well, you ever hear of NDAs? They make every player sign an NDA and they're not allowed to talk about it. Yes, during the NDA session, I just happened to not be there that day. I mean, if Damar Hamlin tweets about it and does like the Vince McMahon, like when he gets blown up in the limousine gift, that would be hilarious. Like that would break Twitter. He could possibly break to internet if he if he chammed in on it.

Yeah. Yeah. If he talked about the script that he got. Yeah. So I got news for you guys. Everyone that's listening right now, macro dosing is actually scripted. So it's an entertainment podcast. So just so you know we script everything out ahead of time

And we said, okay, today we're going to have Arian pretend to be acting But also saying some real stuff And then we scripted all that out knowing the response that it would get So you played right into our hands Ha ha you owe me something for all these bullets I'm taking right now You owe me something I don't know what it is yet but I'll figure it out I do you can you can write something for me to say That will have the internet attack me

How about that and I'll do it? I owe you I do owe you some bullets for sure and you ain't even tag me in the tweet so it's like that's what made it even worse you didn't even tag me in the tweet dog I didn't tag you in it because I didn't want you to be getting like replies and stuff to it the weird part is I was actually trying to look out

for you by not tagging you and you have my internet well-being in mind thank you so much I did a really bad job of protecting you I'm sorry he you didn't put his at in the body of the tweet but you put us all in the, like, mentioned. Oh, I tagged you in the photo. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.

My bad. My bad. 101 million views. The deep, the deep, actually insane. This, this has been the biggest macrodosing moment ever. 100%. I don't know about that. When Big T sang Aryan song, that was pretty good too.

I'd forgotten about that. Somebody put that clip. It was like Aryan when he saw the script for 2010. Yeah. And it was that clip. I'd forgotten about that. You did a good job on that song. Very good job.

Thanks. All right. So you guys want to talk a little bit about Silk Road? Billy said that he went on the Silk Road. Now, how old were you? Because the Silk Road stopped existing in what, 2012? Yeah, it was my buddy in seventh grade. He was like, yo, let's go on the Silk Road.

I was like, what's that? And he was like, it's this place that, like, sells guns and drugs. It was, there was the Wild West of the Internet days. You had a friend who, like, would whip out live link. Yeah. like what the fuck at like sleepovers yep and you know you're just drinking red bull because it's the hardest stuff you can get your hands on like because you're trying to do cool stuff at sleepovers and this dude just whipped out and like we're going to downloading tour and going on going on the

dark web i was like what dude no you can take pictures of us block the i literally we like put tape over the cameras like dude they're going to find us for us it was it was jolt jolt cola did you guys drink jolt erie you know i'm talking about jolt right the old school Red Bull. It was like the soda with the most caffeine. It had like three times the caffeine is coke. And so we would have sleepovers, slam some jolts.

And then, yeah, everybody did have that one fucked up friend that was like, look at this website. I remember my friend, he was like, this is called rotten.com. And he opened it up. And I was like, dude, you are fucked in the head. Yeah.

Stop showing this to me. And then, uh... Do they sell frogs on Silk Road? No. Reptiles? No, no. You got to go to kinksnake.com. That's the forums.

That's the Silk Road of Reptiles? Yeah, that's where they were trying to sell those Dallas Zoo Monkeys. That's the exotic animal classifieds right there. Okay. Is it legal? Yeah, 100% legal. Yeah, totally sounds very legal. I mean, they sell stuff that's legal in other places, but like, for example, exotic animals are totally legal in Florida or other states, but like you can't buy them in New York.

But you could be like, hey, you know, just ship it and no one has to know what's in there. They sell stuff that's legal in other places is such a great escape line. Yeah. It's like, yeah, you ever been to Amsterdam? All this stuff's legal there. It's legal somewhere. It's legal on Mars. So the Silk Road was founded in 2011 by a guy named Ross Oberich.

Ross Obrick, who's currently incarcerated. We'll get to a sentence in a second. But Ross Obrick is a guy who's from Austin, Texas, went to school at University of Texas, Dallas, then went to grad school in Pennsylvania. I want to say Penn State. Was it Penn State that he went to? I think so. Anyways, he moved back to Texas after college and he decided that he wanted to get into online marketplaces.

So he started a book website and his goal, he's a big libertarian. So he believes in complete legality and open source everything pretty much and just kind of like letting the market take care of itself. And he came to the idea that there should be a marketplace for pretty much anything, marketplace where people could buy and sell. let the market take care of itself with users, ratings, reviews, things like that. And he was setting up like a free-for-all online marketplace. And he wanted to call it the Silk Road, which was named after the old trading route that connected Europe and the Far East and China. What Marco Polo traveled on to discover the Far East.

So I actually didn't, I thought the Silk Road, I misconstrued a lot of the stuff about the Silk Road 2.0, which we'll get into in a second with the Silk Road. I thought the Silk Road had basically zero limitations, but they actually had a code of service of stuff that couldn't be sold. Well, so not at first. At first, Ross set up the website because he was like buying mushrooms on, I think it was like shrooms or shroomy, something like that. There was a form that was like the Silk Road, but just for hallucinogens.

And so he set up the Silk Road to open it up to all forms of drugs and pretty much anything that you wanted. And then some people started to list, you know, in addition to ecstasy, mushrooms, LSD, weed, heroin, coke, all that stuff. People started to list guns on there. And at first he was like, okay, that's fine. Anything goes on here. And then I think his girlfriend talked him out of it. And they had to dial back some of the stuff.

And he changed the code of conduct to be like, we're only selling stuff that can be positive, I think. I forget the exact wording of it, but he somehow deluded himself into thinking like everything that sold on here is fine except we're going to draw the line at guns. Because if you need to buy an anonymous gun online, there's no good reason possible that you would ever need to buy an anonymous gun. Yeah, he prohibited the sale of anything whose purpose was to harm or defraud. This included child porn, stolen credit cards, assassinations, weapons of any types, and then other dark net markets such as black market reloaded. gained user notoriety because they were not as restrictive. So Silk Road wasn't the first

sort of Wild West online marketplace. The first internet transaction of illegal goods was between Stanford students who bought weed from MIT students using ARPANET in the 1970s. That's pathetic, honestly. Like, you were such a dork if you need to set up a software service with encryption to buy a dime bag. That tells me you have no friends. I think they were trying to do it for shits and gigs, you know. That's probably what they said. But the reality was, like, those Stanford nerds probably didn't have a place that they could go that they knew anybody. Like, their solution was probably just like drive to a neighborhood in like downtown San Francisco,

roll down the window and then just ask somebody for weed. Yeah. Actually, I got that wrong. I think it was the other way around. They bought it from Stanford students who had the weed in California. That makes more sense. Yeah. Yeah.

So that was what they were doing in the 70s news groups. would cause mail order type drug buying in the 1980s. And then when the forums popped up, that technology, the hive was a forum where people sold drugs in the DMs while spreading drug synthesis and legal discussions. And basically all these places consistently got kept on getting shut down, mostly because of the main factor of the payment system. So there was research chemical mailing lists.

They were all shut down and arrested. And there was even cyber arms bizarre trafficking that was all based in Eastern Europe that got shut down. They were just selling hacking equipment, coding equipment, stuff that you could like, you know, used to defraud people, all the early credit card scams. That was a marketplace, but again, all shut down. Before, like the precursor to the Silk Road was something called the Farmer's Market. It was launched in 2006. It was on the Tor browser, which the Silk Road also lived.

The Tor browser, TOR, is basically, you know, what you think of VPN circumnavigator, like, actually does. It was designed by the U.S. Navy, I think. And it was designed to be a completely anonymous way of using the Internet. And so it encrypted all your IP addresses, all that stuff. So it makes you untraceable on the Internet. And, yeah, Billy's right. the fact that back in the day, even if it was like an anonymous website, he still had to pay for it somehow.

Yeah. And so with the invention of Bitcoin, Ross saw an idea in the marketplace where he's like, well, we can do this anonymously online with a Tor browser, and then we can make the payments all on Bitcoin. And if you're smart about setting up your Bitcoin wallet, then it should be almost completely anonymous to do these transactions. So, yeah, PayPal, Western Union, we're all being used before. And that was so easy to trace money.

Bitcoin really pioneered like the decentralization of money, which a lot of people, you know, crypto bros are all screaming about it. But a lot of the value that crypto gained over the years was specifically to buy, you know, unmarkable goods, legal goods. And the way the Silk Road payment system developed, which was very unique and allowed them to operate for so long before without detection, because Bitcoin still has wallets you can track and stuff like that. But basically what the Silk Road did, we're going to take a step by step, look at their payment system from a government exhibit, how they had to explain it to the jurors because they really had to dumb it down so that they could understand the manipulation why these people could get away with it. So you're a buyer and you're going to the Silk Road. You exchange currency for Bitcoin and then you put it in a regular Bitcoin account.

you then transfer your Bitcoin to a Silk Road dark wallet account, which this sort of washes the Bitcoin in itself because it's basically a slush fund. Yeah. That Bitcoin is then denoted by your account on the Silk Road, which isn't as easy to track because only Silk Road has those records. And then it is put in an escrow Bitcoin wallet during the purchase. This is where Silk Road took its commission. of the Bitcoin, the vendors then paid in from the slush fund to their dark wallet account then to their Bitcoin account and basically goes through a whole system where the Bitcoin is just put into a giant slush fund. The only people who can record the transaction is the Silk Road

and they just then divvy it out from their main pot. So there's like two layers of washing that go on. Yeah. There's the Bitcoin dark wallet. or the Silk Road Dark Wallet, and then there's the escrow account that Silk Road manages. So, yeah, that would make it, like, pretty much impossible to detect who it's coming from. I'm curious to know from you guys, do you think that it's possible to have an online marketplace where you're selling drugs, things that maybe you're growing yourself, that you're making yourself, and have it all come out in, like, a positive fashion just based on a review policy where his idea was if they're selling bad drugs, they'll get bad reviews and then nobody's going to buy from them in the future. And so have like the rating system kind of weed out all the nefarious vendors that there are out there.

Do you think that's possible to? Would you ever buy drugs from a system like that? No. I wouldn't. Not until it's vetted properly. I think if they had a third party source, they had to vet the drugs, like have a system to where you could vet the drugs. But until then, no, it's just, it's crapshoot.

Some of y'all may have to enlighten me. Is that any less reliable than buying drugs from Tim down the street? Not really. Very, very, very, very, very less. It's way less reliable. Why? You don't think, you don't think it? I think it's well, well, well, once you, so once you know Tim, sure, but the first time.

Well, not. Okay, let's say I'm with my homeboy and I'm like, I want to buy some, I want to buy some wheat. I, I know and trust my dude, right? I know and trust my guy. Like, so it's like, there are. There are people who are like, you know, this dude legit. Like, we know where you get it from.

There are people who vet their drugs, and they have done it for years. And so there's a bloody system that goes on. But it's more reliable than clicking, let me buy drugs on this website. It's way more reliable than that. Because you have your Yelp reviews are people you know. I know, but Tim could get drugs, you know, have weed that's contaminated with fentanyl. I know that doesn't happen. That's total.

But Coke does. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, or heroin would. So, I mean, I think Aryan, in a sense, is correct that if it's weed, most of that's, like, friend of a friend, you get introduced, then you become a customer there, and then you know that the quality is good. But there is a crapshoot element to it sometimes when you don't, when there's no regulation of it, which is kind of what Obrecht was, that was his point, which is the war on drugs is stupid, which I agree with. I think that the war on drugs and driving everything underground has, it takes a lot of the quality control out of everything because it's all illicit. There's no standards and it's really easy for the supply chain to become contaminated with other things. And so he was thinking that if you were to set up this website that was mostly based on reviews and customer interactions, repeat customers, things like that, then it would eliminate some of the shady stuff that goes on in the drug trade.

Which I don't think he's totally wrong about So actually No he is This is what his girlfriend brought up His girlfriend brought up the fact that Okay Say somebody overdoses How they're going to review your drug

That's a good point Yeah that's what his girl That's what his girl at the time said There were a lot of In study subsequent studies on the site There were tons of harm reduction trends Because of the site Because not only were sellers

Selling the stuff But in their advertisements They had to compete with other sellers so they would give detailed drug usage instructions like how to do the drugs how to dissolve the drugs like synthesis stuff as well as in that competition with other vendors they also had to you know give certification of purity with a lot of them and in turn this was a great example in like you know the freest of markets how capitalism actually caused a little bit of good like think about it well yeah so in an ideal situation this would all this would all be fine

there would be no overdoses and things like that and it would it would trend more towards as the site matured and got older there would be established vendors that would probably have cleaner stuff and more reliable stuff but there's as it's a young site with new vendors popping up there's a lot of a lot of question marks that go into like who are you getting these from you're taking a you're taking gamble basically at the beginning for anything but yeah I think in an ideal world it could work now Ross when he came out of college he didn't study computer engineering he didn't study encryption he wasn't involved in computer science to the extent that it would take to create this intricate website so he definitely had help setting it up and that's one of the

things that we don't know exactly where the help came from who was instrumental in that he was face behind it. He definitely had help getting started on it and building it out to the point where it was usable and where it was anonymous. And there's some speculation on who that might have been. He had some power users at the beginning that helped him to run the site, including what was it like Variety Jones was the name of one of the people that he was working with, or that was a screen name. But they helped him set up the entire payment system. And you'll also note that it'd be tough for the government to prosecute anybody if they just start up a website and they're like, well, whatever happens on the website, that's not my issue. So if he just started up a website

the Silk Road and he said, I'm just creating basically a message board and online shop. And then I'm not creating anything else besides that. I'm going to let the users create everything. Almost like a Craigslist. If it was more of a Craigslist thing, then you can't point at Ross and be like, Ross is a drug dealer. Ross is setting all this stuff up. He's committing a crime. But what he did was he engineered that payment system where he was taking commission off everything.

So he was profiting on all the transactions, which in the eyes of law enforcement makes him a drug dealer. And also on the website, they had like a menu on the side that said like marijuana, ecstasy, cocaine. So it's hard to, it's hard for him to say like I didn't know what we were selling. That's up to everybody else because he built the like cocaine link on his own website. site. I had this in my notes, but another way that vendors used to compete, which is hilarious. There were some vendors who were even branding their opium or cocaine is fair

trade, organic, or sourced from conflict-free zones. That was the funniest thing. Thank you. Yeah, that's great. That's great. That's always been a concern of mine. Yes. Tell me what, what cocaine manufacturing zone is conflict-free. I would like to know that. It's probably like a laboratory somewhere like wherever they made the stuff that went into Coca-Cola I'd like to know that my cocaine got there you know calmly in a safe manner without any trouble I would love for my no one was harmed in the making of these drugs it was a vice it was a vice intern that got on a plane and it got him the job yeah no one was killed it's a it's farm to nose cocaine it locally stores artisanal artisanal

ecstasy uh yeah it was it was founded in february 2011 and the way that he you can't just put up a website and be like okay well the website's up now people are just going to know to type in silkroad com or dot tour or whatever it was and come use it so he had to you had to think of a way to market his website to get like the first people in the door so he went on some some crypto forms some like old school crypto message boards and just posed as a user asking a question like, hey, has anybody out there heard of Silk Road the website? You can use it to buy drugs. I'm just curious. I'm thinking about doing it to buy some mushrooms, but I didn't know if they were legit or not. It seems like it's a pretty cool place. And so he's like basically whispering into people's ears like,

have you guys heard about Silk Road? Has anyone here? Can you tell me? Does it work? Does it work? And so the first customers came in that way. And then through word of mouth, it just started to spread and before too long he was he was making a pretty decent amount of money and uh he was acting as a moderator of the website and um once he started to get like a user base in place he had you know some people that were helping him out behind the scenes and they were talking about what he should be calling himself he needed like a gnome de plume he needed he needed a fake name to like further establish the lore of the Silk Road and one of his admins suggested that he take on the name the dread pirate Roberts which is from the

princess bride what's that guy's name the guy that that plays the dread pirate Roberts he was in robin hood men and tights he was in saw he's a pretty famous actor oh my my name is that's a different guy that's the dude from homeland um carry elwis yep yep that's him so um the dread pirate Roberts and Princess Bride is, I think he's a bad guy. He's dressed like Zorro, kind of. And the deal with him is there are many Dread Pirate Roberts. So it's a name that gets passed down from like mentor to mentee, apprentice, to teacher, things like that. So it'll be a Dread Pirate Roberts. Then once they start to age out of the role, they find somebody that's a worthy successor. And then they get the name Dread Pirate Roberts and they can continue the tradition. So the idea, the idea,

according to the chat logs that I've read was that the name dread pirate Roberts was suggested to Ross because it could potentially allow him to claim that there are many dread pirate Roberts, many admins, many people that ran this website in the event that he was ever pinned down for being the main fall guy. He could fall back on the excuse of, well, there are other people that are doing it too. Now, I don't know if that's necessarily true. I don't know if that's why he got that name or maybe Ross is telling the truth and maybe there were worse several dread pirate Roberts that were in charge but he's the one that ended up taking the fall for it but that's how he got that's how he got the name for it and so it it kind of blew up in its first year he started to make a lot

of money off of it and then obviously once a website like this gets big you're going to attract a little bit of attention and there's nothing that that politicians like more than finding one pet cause that they can go after and use that to make a name after themselves. So Chuck Schumer found out about it. He found out about it after Gawker wrote an article about it saying like, here's a website where you can buy drugs everybody. Kind of a narc move, by the way, by Gawker to like really put it out there. I liken it to whenever I talk about illegal streaming websites, if you're in a place that you can't watch an NFL game or a specific college game you want to watch, I'm not going to say the name of any websites, but I've alluded to them before. And every time I even mentioned part

of the streaming website's names, I always get a shitload of people being like, dude, you can't say that. Please don't put the name of that website out there because the more people find out about it than the faster that'll get shut down. You'll have to find a new one. So Gawker wrote an article being like, hey, Silk Road is where you go to buy your weed. And then Chuck Schumer found out about it, give a big press conference and said, we need to focus all our law enforcement on on shutting this thing down so there you go big t your guy chuck schumer stepped in broken clocks right twice a day so you think do you think this website is a bad bad place uh yeah i'll go on the record is saying that yeah um i'm actually once i found out that they weren't in this specific

silk road variant the first one like didn't allow child pornography and assassinations and whatnot i'm actually all for it oh good that's good i mean like that's a good tagline for the website isn't it We do not. We no longer allow child pornography or assassinations. But you know what's crazy. This dark web network really is the genesis of all of Bitcoin's value. So a lot of these crypto bros are in not the Silk Road in that form specifically. I think some, I think Silk Road 2 did allow everything, including child pornography, which like is the reason why Bitcoin got a ton of its value because it could be used for that stuff.

So basically you had a whole network of Pettos just pumping up this coin for that terrible usage. And you have people like talking about blood diamonds, like people riding a crypto coin that like literally got value off the back of like that type of legal activity. It's wild. It is wild. I mean, just anonymous payments in general. I think they're a good thing to a certain extent, but they're also used for some pretty bad stuff. I actually, I don't think I've ever bought Bitcoin. Have you?

Do you have a wallet? No. I haven't bought Bitcoin. I bought Bitcoin through a proxy, be it coin base, where I don't actually have my own wallet. Yeah. So blood's on their hands. Yeah, I mean, we did that episode on crypto like a year and a half ago. And we got, what was it, Come Rocket coin?

Yeah. I bought Dogecoin, but I did that on Robin Hood. I did that on like another, another plant. I bought stock or whatever. I don't even know what I did. I just know that I wanted to go to the moon. Yeah, I actually didn't really know that about looking into this more, but the idea that Bitcoin really got its value from that,

like that huge boom, a lot of it was speculation, but that huge boom in the very beginning was all like dark web stuff. When was this Silk Road discovered? So when did it? What was his height? So the article on Gawker came out June 2011. And then I, Bitcoin peaked in like, what was it, 2020, brer. Right, but that was the, the first bump in the beginning that, like, made people think, oh, this has value.

Like, that got all the crypto bros on it was because of that. That could be. The 2020 stuff was because of the pandemic and people thought there was going to be, the banks were going to shut down and everyone's, you know, money, like, the dollar was going to implode. like people were buying bitcoin the same way like Alex Jones used to advertise people to buy gold or the silver supplements that you would put in your water yeah he was really into that he was Alex Jones got really into selling was it colloid silver um remember when that that tsunami hit japan and it it took out the Fukushima nuclear reactor yeah Alex Jones was going on the air every day back then being like the fish that they're pulling out of the Pacific ocean or off the

charts and radiation levels. It's going to make its way to the East Coast and rainstorms pretty soon, start chugging silver. And so he was selling like all these silver supplements you could put in your water. Not iodine? No, there's all there's silver. He also said colluded silver is a good way to protect against all this stuff. You know what was a crazy story about that event and totally ADHD off topic. But have you heard the story about the 80 year olds who went in to help clean up? Yeah. Because they didn't want the young people to go. And they knew that the radiation effects would set in like basically after they were dead or shorten their life but they're just totally willing to like go in and you know deal with it as because they they wanted the next

generation to like be unscarred by this disaster and those same people literally lived through 1945 yeah shout out to them that's like that's like a totally different level of service that I don't know I don't think we'll ever see I hopefully we'll see that more in the future but it's just something like wow yeah yeah that that took some balls for sure um there were a lot of bitcoins being passed around on the silk road and uh ross olbrecht had a ton of money coming in and so he started to hire some admins that that were helping them out now pretty soon one of these admins got busted because in order to run a website like this it's all well and good to have it be online everything's anonymous but if you're buying drugs

you have to figure out a way to get your drugs from point A to point B, and that involves physical transportation. It involves somebody packaging it up somehow, sending it in the mail or via courier service, FedEx, UPS, UPS, DHS, things like that. And then you have to get it to a mailbox and then somebody has to go to their mailbox, pick it up, and take it home. So they got creative with how they packaged some of the drugs up. Some of the places would send big cardboard boxes and then stuff, you know, those little like holes in corrugated cardboard. Like in the actual cardboard, there's these little chambers that you can put things in. People would put their drugs in there.

They would try to label it so it didn't look suspicious. But as a website grew in popularity, different mailing centers start to find that there were a lot of packages that all look the same coming from these locations that nobody knew what it was. They were doing at them. And so they started seizing some drugs out of the mail. And then what happens after that is they contact law enforcement when they see the address that it's supposed to go to. And then law enforcement starts staking out those locations to try to arrest people. So this one guy that was an admin, I think he was an admin.

He was buying drugs in Salt Lake City. And so they found out his home address. They staked him out. And then he got shaken down. As part of the shakedown, they're not trying to make him serve any jail. time or anything like that, they want to know about his participation in this new thing called the Silk Road. And so he gave up his credentials, his logging credentials on the website to federal agents. And then those federal agents logging in under his name would then find

themselves talking to people that ran the back end of the website, including the dread pirate Roberts. And they would carry on these conversations gathering more information in Intel. And if you're Ross Albrecht, you have no idea that the person that you're talking to, to is a different person unless you can pick up on them not knowing, I don't know, whatever slang that you're putting out there. They eventually established like little handshakes, like set patterns that they would start off their conversations with, where if you didn't respond in the correct way, he would know that you weren't you. But at the beginning, he wasn't that smart about making sure that he was talking to the right people. So federal agents infiltrated it a little

bit. And then maybe the funniest part was, so Ross eventually got arrested for a lot of stuff. One of the things he was accused of was murder for hire behind the scenes on this website. So he was alleged to have commissioned, I think, five or six separate murders for hire. The first one was put to his attention by a federal agent that took this guy's info from Salt Lake City. So he took this guy's identity from Salt Lake City and then set up this big behind the scenes operation where he would, he acted like he was going to sell out the entire Silk Road. So let's see if I can explain this a little bit better. The federal agent posing as the drug user slash dealer from Salt Lake City contacted Russ Ulbricht and was like, hey, just so you know, I want to blackmail you. And I've got a list of all these vendors and all these users.

And I've kept track of all their shit behind the scenes. And unless you pay me a certain amount of money, I'm going to release all this info. Well, there were some other federal agents that were also working on the case that then contacted Ross pretending to be somebody else and said, hey, I'm dealing with a real pain in the ass right now from this person that's saying that they're going to blackmail me. So there were like three separate groups of federal agents talking to Ross. and then one of them was like I've got people that can make this go away if you want it to go away and so they if you read the chat logs

they kind of convinced Ross to put a hit on this guy even though he didn't want to. Oh my God! So the federal agents convinced Ross to put a hit on a character being played by another federal agent and it took some pushing

because at first Ross he's just like a computer nerd so he's like you know maybe we can just go pay him a visit and rough him up a little bit he got talked into putting a hit on the guy and uh like the dude walked him through all these steps on how it needs to happen to make it clean the guy was like i've got these hitters they need to show up 200,000 dollars takes care of them flying into town hotel rooms everything's in cash and then at the end they'll put a picture next to the dead body with a random sequence of numbers that you give me and so they'll write that on the piece of paper

so that you can tell this is, like, legit and not just a picture that was taken from the internet. Isn't this illegal, though? Good question. Entrapment? Good question. So, to a certain extent, it probably is, and it probably is considered entrapment,

but they went through with it anyways. And they staged a murder. They took a picture of the guy that was allegedly murdered with, it was like some spaghetti soup or SpaghettiOs or something like that as the blood. and then they put the picture next to the body or the writing next to the body to prove that it was them sent it to Ross and deleted all the metadata from it so it couldn't be tracked from where it was and then Ross was like okay great job you did it and then there were several other instances like that

that federal agents also pulled on him behind the scenes where they were saying that there's this one dealer that's running away with a bunch of product and he's threatening to like go to law enforcement and all this stuff and so we need to take care of it right now in the bud the guy posed as like a hell's angels motorcycle gang leader from up in british columbia but like a very a very technologically literate hell's angels member who was like walking ross through uh the encrypted payment systems and things like that and so ross was a fucking moron and and bought into it and he eventually gave the go ahead for i think it was five it could be six but i think it was five contract murders on people that were trying to take down

the Silk Road behind the scenes. So he wasn't doing it on this. Hold on. This is illegal. So 18 U.S. Code 610 coercion of political activity. It shall be unlawful for any person to intimidate threatened command of course or attempt to intimidate threatened command of course. Any employee of the federal government as defined in,

oh, so this is just saying, you can't do that to another federal employee. Right. Big T, can you look up the legal definition of entrapment? I'm just curious to know, like, legally speaking, what are the exact words of it? I think this is still the same type of argument we had about, not art, but about the, to catch a predator type of stuff. I think it's the same, whatever they're doing is legal, because that's how they've been doing it. Okay.

Entrapment is a complete defense to a criminal charge on the theory that government agents may not originate a criminal design, implant an innocent person's mind, the disposition to commit a criminal act, and then induce commission of the crime so that the government may prosecute. So I guess the argument would be they did not originate the idea of the crime. There was already a crime being committed. Okay. So it gets real murky when you've got when the leader of this website is trying to figure out what to do about a problem. And he's talking to somebody and they're going through all the steps.

and he's trying to figure out what to do, what not to do. And eventually he comes to the conclusion that killing the person is the right move. Who knows, like, where entrapment starts and where the other person's independent thought ends. But it definitely gets, it gets super, super murky on it. And so he, uh, he eventually got, I know he got charged in the state of Maryland, but in a shocking twist, two or three of these federal agents that were fucking with him, behind the scenes, we're also siphoning Bitcoin using those accounts. So they would take over the accounts of former drug users or drug dealers on the Silk

Web or on the Silk Road. And they would, in addition to like talking, gathering evidence from Ross and other people on the site, they also would steal that user's Bitcoin and then put it in their own wallets. So there were federal agents that were committing active crimes during the commission of all this. So you can draw your own conclusions that are probably talking Ross into committing a lot of these things that he probably wouldn't have done on his own. Also, mere solicitation to commit a crime is not inducement, nor does the government's use of artifice stratagem, pretense, or deceit

establish inducement. Rather, inducement requires a showing of at least persuasion or mild coercion, please, based on need, sympathy, or friendship, or extraordinary promises that would blind the ordinary person to his legal duties so you could probably make the argument that a federal agent telling ross you need to take care of these problems because they're going to turn you in and then you're going to prison for a long time that could be that's persuasion right there right you're implicitly imply or you're implying that if they don't kill these people that they're going to go to jail for a long time maybe it's still he still gave the go-ahead on committing all these murders and also like telling people beat up beat up the suspects and then question them about what they were going to do find out if anybody else is involved and report back to me but he probably wouldn't have gone out on his own to find a hit man on the website but he had he had a lot of different people who many of them turned out to be federal agents that were convincing him to do these sorts of things and and yeah he gave the go-ahead on him and and he gave the go-head on him.

And they were, it was six people. So he attempted to have six people killed and he paid a total of $730,000 to commit the murders. So those payments actually, the transactions occurred and the federal agents that were behind them, some of them took the money and ran. I think they eventually got caught for it. But there were no murders that were ever actually committed. So it's important to note that. No murders were committed. No actual hitmen were involved.

but the payments did go through. There were no murder weapons, nothing like that. So he found himself in hot water eventually about that. But as the Silk Road was taking off, he moved down to Australia, presumably to get out of the United States in case there was heat on him. He wanted to be running the website from somewhere else. And then he eventually got persuaded to move back to the United States. And I think he moved to San Francisco. He moved to California.

and he was he was a millionaire almost a billionaire i think well he had probably a couple hundred million dollars and he was uh he was like living in a townhouse with two other people like two other strangers and he was paying in cash every month and uh not really living like a millionaire lifestyle so you have to wonder what was i guess he just got off on on being the man on this website or maybe he was really committed to the ideal of having like an open marketplace but he wasn't living like a baller lifestyle at all the silk row is doing 300,000 a day close to 100 million a year and they're skimming off and taking a cut so yeah so I think he had like 6.5 or something like that 6.5 for every transaction that's a pretty good fee yeah it's fire it's pretty good yeah I guess

it's fair it's pretty fair there's nowhere else to go I wonder why there weren't competitors that got set up at the time like i guess silk road is a pretty good name for there were but they didn't have like the the reputation or the forum and review uh like considerability that the silk road did he also had book club set up so he using like the the forum that he had they uh they were they would do like movie nights and book clubs where people would discuss books that they've read and have like philosophical conversations online and shit so he was he was he was like he was like committed to establishing a community. He thought that the community would be the differentiator that would make it so that people would use the Silk Road and not other places. But he moved to

Australia, then moved back to the U.S. He installed on his computer a feature that had one button encryption. So if he felt like there was somebody watching him or he was about to get arrested for anything, he had a hot button that he could press on his laptop that would encrypt everything and shut everything down. So he was taking measures to try to avoid that. Eventually, and I forget, maybe somebody else can explain to me how this happened, but the feds got tipped off and they thought, they were trying to find out who the Dread Pirate Roberts was

and through like some backwards internet investigation by like Googling Dread Pirate Roberts and going back and seeing his original name, which was I believe Altoid. on the Silk Road, on the forums, and searching for other Aaltoids on other internet forums that were, like the crypto communities and some of the mushroom websites, they found out that there was a user named Aaltoid on a previous website, and then they connected that user with another account on a different website that had a different name, but they were able to string his internet history back to him. And they found a post looking for technical help

building a website and he included his email address in the post which was ross albrecht at gmail com and so this is like two forms prior to the silk road they had to trace back and then they had a name and then they thought they weren't sure because it was very much done like just based on who the what the guy's username was on these forums but they thought that maybe altoid was ross albrecht and then they thought that altoid was also dread pirate roberts so by the transit property they thought Dread Pirate Roberts might be Ross Albrecht. So from what I read, it was actually just like one detective who everybody told him like, yo, that's not, that's a dead end.

He was trying to reverse engineer like when people first were asking about it, like very first time people did it. And they mentioned it on that mission board. He was altoyed. And he was like, he did it on two separate boards. Hey, have you guys heard about Silk Road? And he was like obviously trying to drum up interests. But that's just interesting how he got got.

because he was trying to market it like in a very low-key way. Yeah. He didn't think about like changing his name and it was just very sloppy on his part. But there was one guy who was just like hot on his trail but everybody was like, nah, that's a dead end.

It's not going to work. That one detective was pretty dope. Yeah. And at the beginning, Ross probably didn't have any idea how big of a deal the Silk Road was going to be eventually. Yeah. And so he probably just trying to get some shrooms off. Yeah, exactly.

And so they found out what they thought might be his name, Ross Ulbricht, and they found out, where he might be living, which was in San Francisco, they found a package. They traced a package that was going to him. And he was trying to cover up his location, his name, all that stuff. He's trying to be as off the grid as possible. And so he was ordering, I think it was six separate fake IDs that are coming to him at once. And they were from various states. There were a couple Canadian IDs in there, all under different names, but all with his picture.

They intercepted that package, and the agents came to visit him. And there were, were like, hey, what's up with this package that we just found in your mail? And instead of being like, oh, I have no idea where that came from because of all the levels of security that they had set up with the anonymous transactions, they probably couldn't prosecute him for having a piece of mail coming with fake IDs in it. But while he was there and they were asking about it, instead of just keeping his mouth shut, he said, well, I mean, you can go to a website. It's called the Silk Road and you can order pretty much anything that you want.

So I don't know who ordered these. So he just straight up, like, off, he volunteered that information to the investigators that showed up to his house. And then they're like, that's interesting that he brought up the Silk Road out of nowhere, probably because he was nervous. And so they had their idea that maybe this is him. And then it gets a little bit more murky because in their investigations on, you know, they're trying to trace like the back end of the website, see if they can find out who's paying for the servers, who's paying for all this stuff. they claim to have found a security loophole in the website and the security loophole they claim to have found trace the server back to an address in Iceland, a company in Iceland. So according to most people that know what they're talking about with this stuff, this IT, like how to, how to mask back end and how to, how to protect your website, most people say that that's bullshit, that the FBI figured out some way to hack somebody.

and maybe they hacked Ross individually, they're claiming that there was a security loophole on the website that they were able to exploit that was out there in public. But apparently that's impossible for them to have done. At any rate, they found out that the servers were located in Iceland, and they've never had to prove in court how they figured out where that server was located because they just told the judge straight up, if we were to disclose our information to you about how,

we obtain this, then that could compromise future investigations. And we, by the way, also use this in counterterrorism investigations. So you'd be, you'd be harming the United States if you were to make all this stuff public. And the judge agreed with them. But apparently that's all bullshit. And they just straight up by force hacked into some information that they were not allowed to obtain.

And that's how they got the information to where the server was. They then trace the server in Iceland back to Ross Ulbricht. Sounds like some Patriot Act stuff Could be Totally some sort of tool That they're using counterterrorism That they just said hey You know like

You use that all the time To fight al-Qaeda and stuff Like you're just a door over In counterterrorism We're in drug war Do you just mind looking up this one ISB It sounds like a lunch meeting Yeah

Sounds like they went somewhere for lunch And the dude just had like a scrap of paper Handed across the table Be like can you get me some information On this person please Yeah and they're like But you know We'd have to

say this was terrorism to do this usually and there's like now we'll just we'll just figure it out there yeah so there there's a lot of shady shit going on behind the scenes with trying to find out who was behind this website and uh the the agents that were involved were definitely they're cut in corners put it that way so they they thought that they had their guy after having these different bits of information including the package that was being delivered including the altoyd thing connecting it to the email address, Ross Ulbricht at Gmail, also including finding out where the server was located and who had paid for the server to be set up in Iceland. And so all signs were pointing to Ross, but that's not enough probably to get a massive conviction because they were

looking to throw the book at him for like, I think the actual legal term is kingpin drug charge. So if you get charged as a kingpin, which who knows what that definition actually means, then they put you in prison for the rest of your life they're able to like really enforce that shit on you is that related to the RICO charges I don't think it's a RICO charge because in order for it to be a RICO charge I think that means that they're trying to prosecute

multiple people at once same idea and charge them all with the same crime but when it comes to the Kingpin charge I think it's probably built up around RICO probably like you know it's gang related stuff for the most part so they were looking to charge him as like the head of a gang and uh they thought that they had

these three pieces of information that said it was ross ulberg they thought that they knew where ross was located so they started to tail him all the time and then uh they they tailed him to the san francisco public library because he was going to use their wifi uh to do um some chat stuff behind the scenes and one of the people that was trying to get him to chat with him online was a federal agent asking him like, hey, we keep missing each other online. Can you make sure to be on the internet at like 3 p.m. tomorrow or whenever it was, because I have some important questions to ask you. So they had to nail him in public with a laptop that was logged in to his dread pirate Roberts account in order to be able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that this is him,

this is the guy. So the federal agent was like, I need you to look at these back end trouble tickets that we have related to the transactions, can you be online at 3 p.m. tomorrow so that you can help me look through all these, all these like customer service issues that I'm dealing with right now. So he goes to the public library and he sits down, opens up his computer, and then like five or six people come into the room, poses library goers. So there's a man and a woman that sit down behind him. There's like two other federal agents that sit down or if they're browsing books or or open up their laptops or whatever. And then you've got the federal agent that he himself is online.

And he's starting to engage in a chat with Ross Ulbricht on the Silk Road website. So we can see, all right. This guy is logged in right now. He's logged into the Dread Pirate Roberts account and we're chatting. And then behind Ross, this man and woman start to argue. And it looks like they're going to get to a fight. They start screaming at each other. And so Ross turns around to be like, what's going on right there?

another agent swoops in at that point grabs his laptop so he can't shut it down and then a different agent bear hugs Ross so that he can't reach out and hit the button or enact any security measures

to close the laptop and so it was like a big fucking sting they had set up for this guy I'm sure there's some boring aspects of like working for the FBI I'm sure they do a bunch of paperwork and shit doing a sting that got me excited

just hearing about it you know what's right that's why you join the FBI be so fucking cool to be like sitting in the library like pretending to look at books like oh that'd be so sick yeah I agree big T I think there are a couple reasons to join the FBI one would be to be in this thing operation where you're like wearing tight baseball cap you've got the earpiece in jacket yeah oh well yeah you've maybe like a trench coat on or something like that and you're pretending to be a civilian the second reason is to get a windbreaker that's oh that's what I was talking about I guess they wouldn't be wearing those in this scenario yeah yeah the FBI

I love the idea that there's a cast of characters probably at the FBI. We need someone to play random library goer. Like old guy using the internet on one of the old computers at the library and they just have different typecasts. Yeah. Like who are you? I wonder if they fuck with the local authorities like in the movies. Like you're out of your jurisdiction here, buddy.

You know what I'm saying? I love that shit when they get into. I've been working on this case for years. They get into turf war. Listen, we're the federal agents. You step off my crime scene right now. Oh, I saw a great dash camp video of a New Jersey state trooper who just pulled over a bunch of undercover federal agents and him just freaking at them because the federal agents were like, it was a real life scenario that I got to find that because the federal, the state trooper was totally in the right and he was just going off on these guys. And he's like, you're totally out of your jurisdiction.

You're supposed to phone this. Like, you're not supposed to be doing this right here. You guys have guns in the back of the car. And he's like going nuts. It's a great video. I got to find it. I'll sentence you guys. I wonder if that's something that happens only on TV shows

or if it happens frequently in real life because that's a standard of any cop show on TV. You always have the jurisdiction fight where it set up the crime scene. This one was a real one. Get into pissing contests. You've got the scene that exists all the time where the chief of police calls in one of the detectives

draws the blinds and then just screams at them for like five minutes. I love those scenes too. There's a lot of good tropes in cop shows. that's why I love the wire so much it's because there really weren't too many of those the cop scenes in the wire were basically people getting mad at each other

because they had to do work be like my clearance rate is 50% higher than it needs to be can't you give my case as somebody else and then the behind the scenes basically if you're a cop you're like anybody else you just don't like to do work you want to just chill out

get closer to your pension so the sting was a success I hope that there was somebody in the van parked outside too I love the van With computers and screens in it Yeah Hell yeah A nondescript white van

A couple of laptops in there The real nerds The dorks are in there So they arrest Ross Take him to jail He was held at the Manhattan Correctional Center You'll remember that from being

The same place that Jeffrey Epstein He was in San Francisco though, right? Yeah, but it was a federal crime Ah, got it So they charged charged him with all sorts of stuff. So they threw the kingpin charge at him. He had $87 million of Bitcoin that were in his account that they got into.

Oh, and also when they apprehended him, one of the agents swooped in with a thumb drive, put it into the computer to download all the information off his computer. I didn't know that those thumb drives actually existed. You always see those in movies where like copies are computered instantly. never seen those in real life Another sick thing Yeah just plug it in Boom I've got your computer now

You know what else was real You know those fake ads Where it's like the FBI has seized your computer Well they did a real one On the Silk Road I sent it to the group chat Maybe we can include in the YouTube or something But it's several examples of

Like this hidden site has been seized As part of joint law enforcement operation By the Federal Bureau of Investigation Yeah Ice Homeland Security Investigations European law. It's like, it's so funny. The official ones, like there's real ones. And then I actually found the one that was on one of the older websites they seized because they didn't use Bitcoin and it looks like so, like it looks fake because the internet specifications were so old back

then. They literally have like a stock photo of a guy in prison. Oh, that's crazy. When they seized it. So the graphic that they put up on the Silk Road website when they caught Ross was this This hidden site has been seized by the Federal Bureau of Investigation in conjunction with the IRS Criminal Investigation Division, ICE Homeland Security, and the Drug Enforcement Administration in accordance with a seizure warrant obtained by the U.S. Attorney's Office for the Southern District of New York and issued pursuant to 18 U.S.C. 983J by the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York. And then they've got a bunch of badges that are on there. So they're literally just putting their nuts out on the website and be like, we got your leader. and he's in prison. I wonder why it's always the Southern District of New York that gets to do all this stuff.

Well, that's Manhattan. New York City. Yeah, it's New York City, but how come the Southern District of New York is like the preeminent? For international stuff? U.S. Attorney's Office, yeah. I think it might have, I think it might just be that it's the most resources to deal with these larger things.

Yeah. And to try individuals. Yeah. That's probably right. They deal with all the, like, let's look that up. Intricate financial crimes. taking place in New York. Oh, I guess because it's financial. Yeah. Technically. And so there's

yeah, there's always like the aspect of being charged by the feds that makes me like nervous for the people that have to go through it. And most, most of the people that are charged by the feds, well, I don't even want to say most. But if you get charged by the feds, you're pretty much fucked. They have like a 95% conviction rate. And in an instance like this, they can ask for no parole whatsoever. So you have to serve your entire sentence. Basically, if the government wants you to be fucked, you're going to get fucked. What was the actual crimes that he got charged with? Because I don't, I'm not sure about this whole life shit.

I know when they started selling guns on there. Yeah, that's when it gets like real dangerous. That's what I'm out. That's when I'm out. Engaging in a continuing criminal enterprise, narcotics conspiracy, conspiracy to commit money laundering, conspiracy to commit computer hacking. and then I think conspiracy to commit murder, right? Yep.

That's not listed in that thing, but I think... Yes, he was charged with attempting to have six people killed. And the trafficking in narcotics was the big one. That's the one that they got him on the kingpin charges for. So if you're charged with that, they can ask for life in prison without the possibility of parole. The same charge that El Chapo got. So they charged this guy with the same thing as Alchapo. And they did tack on those attempted murder charges.

But once they dug into those, they realized, wait a second, we've got a shitload of problems with these charges, including the fact that federal agents were potentially committing entrapment. And also at the same time, they were being corrupt and stealing money. So they eventually dropped all those charges. he was never formally indicted or maybe not indicted maybe that's not the word he was never tried for the attempted murders keep that in the back of your head for a second so he was in manhattan they started the trial and they they essentially neutered his defense attorneys so the strategy that his defense was going to take was we want to question on cross-examination all these different FBI agents to find out how they got information about the server in Iceland. We want to on

cross-examination ask them about the employees that were posing as other members of the website. We want to ask the FBI agents on cross-examination about the entrapment and enticement to commit murder. The judge said, no, you're not allowed to cross-examine them on anything except the direct accusations that they've said during their initial examination by the prosecution. So they pretty much didn't let him introduce any other theories. Oh, and then also there was the big one. A lot of his defense was going to be based on the fact that he wasn't the dread pirate Roberts. He was one of several people working for the website that had access to that account, but he wasn't the actual kingpin. He was not allowed to ask on cross-examination about other theories that the

FBI agents might have had related to the possibility that somebody else was dread pirate robbers. So he wasn't even allowed to introduce that into a court of law. Didn't matter. They got convictions on just about everything that they asked for. And then sentencing came. And the judge had some discretion. There was some talk about like when they first arrested him, there might have been a plea arrangement that they had that would have reduced his potential sentencing to like 10 years to 20 years to 40 years that he turned down because he wanted to go to trial. That's some bad advice if he actually did turn down 10 years. If you could have gotten out of this with 10 years, pal. Pretty good. I would say 20 is pretty good. At 40, I'd maybe take my

chances and go to trial. Was he like 30 when he got arrested? I think he was 38 now. So yeah, about 30. Yeah, at 40 years I would take my chances. Yeah. Even 20, you take that and run. Yeah, 20 is a godsend at that point. You get out when you're 50. Deal. Yeah. I mean, that's your dream, Big T.

Yeah, you still got your prime. Sign me up. Your life is just starting. Where do I sign? Yeah. So he apparently turned down those plea arrangements. There is some dispute of what the arrangement was, but that's also probably just the U.S. attorneys saying we never offered him a plea because they ended up getting convictions on everything.

so they got convictions and then the sentencing came along and with the drug kingpin charges there's uh the sentence is up to and including life in prison without the opportunity of parole so they had victim statements and i know that we're kind of talking about the investigation all the loopholes that the FBI crawled through and some of the behind the scene stuff there were people that died because of this website that bought drugs that were either tainted that were laced there are people that died because the website real actual people lives that were lost and uh the victim statements kind of portrayed that and said you know here's here's the bad stuff that you've done here's how it affected my life

the people that you've hurt because of it so he did end up contributing to some very very bad bad things but the judge also during the sentencing the judge took into account the fact that he allegedly committed these murder for hires but he was never he was never put on trial for those, so he's never convicted of those. And they, in fact, purposely, the government did not charge him with those things because they knew that they would not result in a conviction because of all the bad stuff that the government had done behind the scenes to push him into it. But the judge still took that into account when it came to his sentencing, which I think that's probably the most fucked up part. Well, he can probably appeal then, can he?

He did. He ended up appealing. I think it went all the way to the Supreme Court, actually. but he uh they did not overturn any of that sentencing damn so he was sentenced to two concurrent life sentences which it doesn't really matter if you get one life sentence in the federal pititentiary system you might as well have like 50 of them so uh he got sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole and he was put in prison and then eventually transferred I think they transferred him to the Alcatraz of the Rockies, which is where they have the Unabomber and El Chapo and Terry Nichols, the other guy that was involved in Oklahoma City.

And then they eventually, I think they moved him down to Tucson, but he was put in prison for life without the opportunity of parole. So he's fucked with the exception of maybe he'll get a presidential pardon at some point. But I do think that is fucked up that the judge use the information about the killings, the murders for hire in his sentencing without actually they never had to prove that in a court law. They definitely really made him out to be much more of a controlling, like, head of a criminal organization in the court proceedings than he actually was.

I think because it all came out after the fact, but he also did skate away with so much for so long. Yeah. He, he skated away, well, for like two years, two and a half years. I am a little bit sympathetic to the fact that he started a website based on an idea and things kind of, they spiraled pretty quickly. And he was like a kid that didn't maybe know the impact of everything that he was not a kid. He was like, you know, 28, 30, whatever. But he was young and things spiraled out of control on him pretty quickly. He did some bad stuff. Now, in court, when they're sensing him, the judge made a couple good points. about the fact that he's no better than like a street corner dealer than somebody that runs

an illegal drug operation where they're selling drugs on the street, he just did it behind a computer screen. And the guidelines that are in place with these dealers, they apply to you too, but just because you're a kid that started up a website doesn't absolve you from the same level of justice that people get if they're running like a traditional, like a gang or the mafia or whatever. So it's not, he can't hide behind that. And that, that makes a little bit of sense to me where it's like, yeah, he did, he did a lot of the same things that are done for street dealers. So why wouldn't his sentence be any different? I think during the court proceedings, they also played a video of a kid who they prove had bought like acid on the Silk Road. Like,

and I think they have them on video jumping off a parking garage. Yeah. I think that was a big one. like they really to also get his sensing like this happened in multiple occasions because of his website and system i think definitely had an impact on his case yeah i mean people definitely died because of them yeah for sure it does suck that people die i ain't going to say that's that's true but i think it's just hypocritical man like i i'm for the deregulation of drugs in general and I think we should not to deregulate the decriminalization decriminalization of drugs and we and we regulate it because you how on one hand are you his is a kid that so I don't know who knows was a part of a whole bunch of

and as responsible for you know a handful of deaths would suck right sucks right but then you have legal alcohol that literally helps kill thousands maybe even 100,000 people a year and nobody is liable because it's on the people in order to mitigate that alcohol usage. Alcohol and tobacco kill way more people than any narcotics under Schedule 1 or Schedule 2 or any scheduled drug on any books. So it's just hypocritical.

So where he lost me was the guns. We started selling guns and shit. Like that's wild. If you want a gun, do it legally. So where it can be regulated. So I'm off a regulation. But I don't know. I just don't think he's the villain

that they make him out of. the whole murder shit they put him up on that too so it's like I don't know I just don't think he's that big of a villain man it's my take one argument was that

his way of distributing drugs it was way less violent than other distribution networks because it was all behind a computer like when people talked about the study harm reduction and all of his drug deals was way less violence

there's an argument that a lot of people supplying the drugs the sellers on the website, he actually saved lies because those sellers might use different distribution networks that required a lot more violence to sort of, you know, maintain power and maintain distribution networks on street corners going to different cities, like a lot of gang violence, a lot of violence in general is because they're banging for territory. So there is an argument that base level like net lives saved to lives, deaths caused. he may have saved lives using this network.

I think that there were some studies that came out about that period where it was like 2011 to 2013 that talked about, I don't know if it was, I don't know if it's overdose deaths or what it was, but somebody made that exact argument that during the period these deaths went down. I don't know if that's true or not because I think it was definitely the study was put together by somebody that wanted that to be the outcome. But in theory, it's definitely possible. you know what really pisses me off the I I so my sophomore year of college I was doing a study on the opioid epidemic and basically like all the on on all the legislation that led to the opioid epidemic to start reducing and the overdose levels going down and now we're at peak levels again after the pandemic yeah it's just I literally wrote a whole paper and presentation for a class on all the legislation that reduced. the opioid crisis and a lot of it was progressive like safe injection sites safe distribution

of safe drugs for people who need it in like remissions so they wouldn't go out and get street drugs or an overdose and like literally all these uh you know like laws that were passed helped it doing the i think all those programs got shut down because of COVID yeah and it's just like how many like it's just like crazy yeah how my much progress was taken away because of that. Another, another big effect of Ross getting arrested, excuse me, was the price of Bitcoin dropped by like 50% on the day that he got arrested and the website got taken down. So that shows you how much of Bitcoin's traffic was going through the Silk Web at the time.

I think it started out today. I'm looking at the charts. Actually, on the Wikipedia page. I think it started out that day at about $127 per Bitcoin, which, I mean, that tells you how long ago that was. and then it dropped down to about, it looks like, 85, when they seized the website. So it bounced back pretty quickly after that, but there was a temporary, like, huge hit in the market that happened.

So he is, he's in prison right now in Tucson. He's got a Twitter account, which I think his mom runs or somebody, his family runs. So when they go to visit him in prison, he'll, like, give them tweets to send out. And he does that. There was some hope that Trump was going to. pardon him on his last day. Trump declined to pardon him. There was a big push by the crypto community to pardon Ross. And so they thought that they could get that on his desk. Trump ended up making the decision to not include him in his last minute pardons. But that's the only chance that he's

going to have to get out of prison if a president says like, hey, enough is enough with this guy. I think, so when you think about like incarceration and who needs to be locked up, it's, you know, people that are at risk of harming the community around them, there's also, there's a punishment aspect. And in this case, I don't know that that the world is like benefiting from punishing him so much. I think that he did a lot of bad things and he knows that he did some bad things or some, he did a lot of activities that caused bad things. to happen if he didn't do them himself personally. But I don't think that there's like there's no chance that this guy gets put out on the streets and then people start dying. Like no one's, I don't think the world is going to, is going to be harmed by having Ross Ulbricht on the street. El Chapo probably.

Yes, I would say like, yes, probably keep El Chapo locked up. Well, this guy could probably put El Chapo out of business because all those distribution and drug networks and violence needed to, you know, instill it would probably. cease to exist and get automated by this guy. Well, let's talk about Billy. I like that theory. So if they let him, the government is keeping him in jail because the drug dealers that the government funds would be put out of business if a guy like Ross was out. That's a conspiracy we got to be pushing. Yeah. That's the CIA doesn't want Ross Albrecht out of jail. Because he'd end the drug war. He's too

powerful. Yeah, he'd end the drug war, the war on drugs and the basically policing, industrial complex when it comes to the DEA. Well, I mean, that's what's crazy about it, is like, he's, he's definitely not the guy that set up the entire website on his own. He didn't have the skill set to do everything behind the scenes. So there could be a bunch of copycats that, that could exist. But there hasn't really been, to my knowledge, like a, they did do a Silk Road 2.0. That got shut down in 2000, I want to say, 2013, 2014. It didn't even last longer than like a year or two. But I don't think that Ross is like powerful enough to step out and do this all again on his own and I don't I don't know why

he would um so I I think I would join the free Ross Ulbrecht movement yeah I don't think that I don't think this guy deserves to be in federal prison for the rest of his life true I agree I am I am in agreeing speaking of getting out of jail breaking news chief super hand chief super fan uh chiefs might be getting out of prison before the championship game and it might be because he can cash out his bet early. Wait, not not prison jail uh no he's prison well he's awaiting trial still yeah this guy just got arrested so he's in jail he will still go to prison yes but he's yeah sorry that distinction what's his bail he want if he's asking for his bail to be dropped to 50k because then he can cash out and pay it feel like that's

shouldn't be allowed. I love this because he's got he's got two futures right now. He's got a future on the Chiefs winning the Super Bowl. And I think that how much does he stand to make on that? Actually, he may have had an AFC championship bet that they made it to it. Yeah. He also, that may have paid for this. And he's also got a Patrick Mahomes MVP future in place.

So I don't know if courts allow an argument to be made like, hey, my client needs to be released from prison so that he can hedge on these bets. and he's guaranteed to have enough money to make bail. He just needs to, like, sprinkle a little bit on the, on the Eagles money line for the Super Bowl. But, yeah, if they do in the Super Bowl, I know that he would have enough money to make bail. I've always wondered if you went to a bank, like let's say you had a future that you were,

it was set to make $100,000 and you could hedge and guarantee yourself like $35, $40,000, whatever. If you went to a bank and we're like, hey, I need $17,000 right now, I'll give it back to you with 2% interest tomorrow. Like, would they do that? Well, that's what a bail at bondsman does. I know, but I'm saying if you went to a bank exclusively to be like, here is proof that I will make a minimum of 45 grand tomorrow.

Yeah. I'll bring you this money back with 2% on it. Would they do it? Right. So hypothetically, if like a podcast co-host of mine had a future on the Eagles that they put in at 22 to 1 to win the Super Bowl back in, in August, and that would pay out $200,000. Could that co-host go to a bank and say,

I would like to request a $50,000 loan to put $50,000 on the Chiefs? And just so you know, even if the Chiefs lose, I've got $200,000, I'll pay you back the day after the Super Bowl. I think that that branch of banking should exist. I bet sports books should start doing it. Futures loans. Yeah.

hedge loans did we just all right pen national gaming if you're listening to this one I have no idea if this is legal or not two if it is legal you should probably set up one of these features on the app but only if it's legal if it's not legal it's awful and I detest the idea that's even a possibility

does that cover 1 800 gambler bet responsibly always always let's pick this back up in two weeks what happened No, just, just, you know, a lot of stuff going down the pipeline, don't want to mess anything up. Okay. Gotcha. So, yeah, I think, I don't know, what do, all you guys are, are we all in favor of, of Ross getting out of prison?

No, jail. You think prison? Jail. Let him out of jail. No, I'm not talking about chiefsaholic. Yeah, no, this guy, jail. You think jail for the rest of his life? Right away.

You just made the distinction between prison of jail. Yeah, I'm also quoting a TV show. So, so if he goes, if he spends a rest of his life in prison, I mean, he was trying to set up this website as a libertarian. He's like a diehard libertarian. And he was trying to keep government out of all these transactions. You think he's trying to keep the government out of his criminal enterprise. No. What's his criminal enterprise based upon? Drugs. Why, why are they illegal drugs? Is your efficacy, uh, purely on the letter of the law and not the spirit of it? No, not necessarily. You actually got really close earlier, like talking about alcohol and tobacco. You were right there. Right. Where? You were like, well, alcohol and tobacco were way worse than these drugs. Maybe those shouldn't be legal. Are you, what? So you think more things. Hold on. Hold on. You think the worst libertarian in the world. Yeah. What the fuck? You think, you think, you think alcohol and tobacco should be illegal. I would listen to that, yeah.

you have no consistency in what you think it's the wildest shit like there's no way to categorize you think it no you don't um but no this guy jail forever do you think that the government should be able to say what things you can and cannot do and then uh just blanketly enforce what you can do to your own body no but uh i don't know if if I would listen to alcohol being prohibited. So you think more things, the government should regulate more things? Some things.

You know, they tried that. Big T thinks that the government should regulate more things that he doesn't like. Correct. Okay, got it. You understand that that is just historically not worked and created huge illegal enterprises, which caused more crime and more stuff that you don't like. I mean, then why should we make anything at least? well it's not because all things are not equal murdering somebody is not smoke you know what you

know what this is a silly ass argument mr i've thought this through i want to take uh i retract that take nice okay i'm down with that i'm a down for take retraction alcohol is still bad but i retract the take that it should be illegal i didn't say it should be i said maybe you would prefer if other people didn't drink yes okay got it unless it's at the yard house Big Tee, everyone thinks alcohol should be illegal on Sundays. So when it comes to the war on drugs, though, that's been proven to not work. Jesus turned water to wine as well. Also, the founding fathers were once a criminal enterprise.

Yeah, that's true. Good point, Bill. Still are. Hey. No, they went clean. Yeah. They got out the game. They just rewrote the fucking rule book.

but the war on drugs hasn't worked it's been in place for 40 years now Nixon started it it hasn't worked that's not the same as like you can just start a website sending drugs to people's houses like come on that's not what we're saying I agree I agree that it's a bad idea to have a website with completely unregulated substances being pass and forth anonymously. I think that it's not a good idea for health, for health purposes. But it also takes away some of the violence and some of the gang activity and the cartels. It kind of cuts them off at the knees without having to like send in the military to foreign countries to arrest generals for allowing drug trafficking. And then now we've got a foreign

enterprise on our hands that we have to look after and like rebuild other countries because we've kneecapped their governments that were participating in the drug war. Now we've got instability in like El Salvador that we have to deal with the consequences of that, including illegal immigration moving forward for the next like 30, 40 years that we end up footing the bill for. So then what is your solution? I think that all drugs are legal no matter what. I think that I don't I don't know if I'm ready to go that far with it because I am I'll admit 100% like I don't I don't necessarily think it's a good idea to have heroin available for anybody to purchase once they turn 21.

I do. Because it's easier. I can respect that. Like, that's the only, if you say, that's really the only logical conclusion the other way. I think it's, it's so easy to overdose on some drugs that a lot of people would die. Like, it's so much easier to overdose on heroin than it is to drink yourself to death. Do you think. Agreed.

Do you think they'd probably sell it with a narc, like, like emergency narcan comes with every heroin? you buy yeah probably that would be pretty wild it's like a travel size it's like you get the drug and then you get the narcan it's like the okay that's not the worst idea it's like the beer and fillet wrapped up yeah yeah yeah that's yeah that's what i'm thinking yeah that's surfing turf yeah that's all right all right for context uh the total number of drug this is estimation total of overdoses from heroin um is about 15 000 around 13 to 15 000 the year the total the total the total deaths from alcohol per year is 140,000. So what y'all are saying is,

I don't know if I'd go that far. We already are that far. No, way faster. I'm not saying that because alcohol is so one of those is acute. The other takes 40 years. Come out. Do you know how, hold on, hold on.

I'm going to address this point real quick. Do you know how many doctors prescribe heroin to their patients per year? Millions upon millions. It is acute. They give it to you in small doses. Anything can be abused. Water can be abused if you want to. So you're saying that we're going too far by doing heroin.

We're cool with 150,000 people dying from alcohol. No, but wait. Wait, there's a difference. There's a difference there. And I understand your point. We do sell, like, opiates are available widely in America. And people die from them all the time. It's a real issue.

But I can't go to the store where I buy a six, pack of beer and buy like three hits of heroin. It's not, you can't compare those numbers to each other because the usage of heroin is limited by the fact that it's illegal right now. If it was made legal, then I would expect that the numbers of overdoses would increase substantially. Heroin is legal. We just do it in very small dosages. Another one, tobacco, 480,000 deaths per here. So what you're saying is, I'm cool if people slow kill themselves, but I'm not cool if they do it at a fast rate. So why not slow the dosages, set up places to where we understand where people are more likely to use heroin? We can set up places to educate the public on

heroin usage and all of these things. Because you guys are saying you're okay with one set of deaths and it's not even close to the amount of deaths that are from heroin, but you're not okay with the other one. Okay. So it's strictly on a pill. I'm way so if I'm not saying that heroin is like it doesn't have its place in the medical community including people that are addicted to heroin and trying to get them off you know like decreasing dosages administered safely I think that's one of the only ways that you can get off some of these narcotics but I don't think that it should be as readily available as alcohol where you can go into a 7-11 and buy it's a heroin because in that instance it's so deregulated that a 25 year old walks in and they shoot themselves up because they can buy it at the store. They're curious. They want to try it and they die. Well, why is it, why is it deregulated? Why are we saying, I'm not saying sell it, don't tell a 24 pack of heroin. I'm saying you can get small dosages. You can get small, small this, small that. Like there's definitely, because I believe

in regulation. I don't think it's a wholesale. I'm not a libertarian. I don't believe in full sell free market. I think that you should regulate things and then educate the public on things because what we do is be vilify drug users all the time, but only certain kind of drug users. But also PFT syringes medical equipment would still be regulated. So they wouldn't be selling vials of injectable substances. It would probably be in pill form. And plus, we already have this Kratum stuff, which is all over smoke shops and bodegas. KB got addicted to it.

Yeah, it's super addictive. I had like one of those K-shot things. Yeah. This was not this summer, but last summer. And I didn't know what to expect. It was just like, hey, somebody told me like, it's cool, try it. I took half of a shot of it. And I just thought to myself, this is how I felt when I was on pain pills when I got my shoulder surgery.

Like, it straight up feels like that. So I don't know if it's addictive. I don't know. KB says that he uses a lot, or he used to at least. But I guess, Aaron, what I'm saying is, if you show me what the distribution would look like for regulated heroin, then maybe I could be convinced. But I don't think that it should be just as widely available because it is so much more dangerous to a first time user. There's a limit to how much alcohol you can buy. You can't just go buy the whole store.

But it's easier to overdose on heroin than it is on alcohol. That's why the doses just to be harder to get. There should be a limit on it. I'm for regulation, but nowhere in the history of the world has wholesale banning something has stopped people from using it and abusing it. Yeah, it does it. It's not, it's not a thing. So why not educate people on how to use it, how to use it responsibly?

And you'll get rid of half of the problems in the communities, half of them. Like, I'm not selling shit on the corner that you could buy on the corner. It doesn't make any sense. That's a good point. Maybe I just need to see what regulated heroin distribution would look like. And I might be able to be talked into it. But I'm just saying that that's been marketed to. I think you've just been marketed to so much so to where you're okay with over half a million deaths by two substances,

but not even close to that amount of deaths from the other substances. And granted, it is less readily available. But I mean, if heroin is legal tomorrow, are you going to go try some? No. That's the case for the majority of people in America. But some people will. You could also make the case that if murder was legal tomorrow, I wouldn't go out and murder somebody.

I already, I commit, I think, I think I heard this from Penn Gillette, from Penn and Teller, so I want to give them credit. I currently commit all the murder that I want to commit. And that's zero, zero murders, even though it's illegal. Like, if it was legal, I don't think I would go out and be like, sick. The purge is on. I got, I got my nine. What about Dan Snyder?

Dan Snyder would kill Dan Sider. Yeah, so, see, there's a little murder. Good point, good point. Just a little bit of murder as a treat. Knock on wood, you're going to fuck around. You're going to fuck around. You get questioned if that nigga ever go down. That's true.

If Dan Snyder died, if he got like shot in the street, I think that the FBI would at least pay me a visit. Or maybe just like, maybe a phone call. Or listen to a part of my take. Yeah. I just want to say for the record, if Dan Snyder dies, I didn't actually do it. Your phone on you at all times because they can triangulate and ping your position at the time of the murder.

Just keep your phone on you. I had a crazy thought yesterday while we were bowling while basically Joe Biden was at an event right next to us and didn't know that was happening while we were filming the bowling thing down in Bolaroo. And I was like, we just walked into this place that has big windows that can see the event space. where he's, you know, I'm not going to say it. What were you thinking, Billy? Yeah, don't say that. Yeah, please don't.

Okay. I'll soften the blow. There's some dude that came up to me in the airport yesterday. I was like, this fan base is very diverse, man. This nigga had to be 70, pushing 70, late 60s. And he goes, Aryan.

And I turn, he goes, I'm watching PFT poll right now. I had no idea you guys were even doing any bowling thing until that nigga told me. I was like, what are you talking about? That was pretty dope. though. That's awesome. I always love to hear that when we get cut off guard by people. I was going to say there was no security. Like the Secret Service just let a whole production

crew carrying huge like hard, hardcover suitcases into a place that had easy access like to the event he was coming in to speak at. Yeah. Are you saying you had ample opportunity to take the president out? Is that what you're saying? No, no. Yes, that's exactly. I'm just, I'm just saying Why are they doing such a bad job? Billy's saying hypothetically, if a gun had been inside one of those cases, Billy would have had access to a gun in a clear line of sight. No. That's exactly what you're saying.

I'm just saying, because we discovered halfway through we were there, like, oh, the president's going to be right there? And it was like, how the hell were we able to do this so easily? Yeah. Just a thought. I love how Billy just like continues to talk when he finds himself in hot water. It's one of his most endearing qualities. If Billy's ever arrested

I'm going down for some If you let Billy talk for long enough He will implicate me in a series of crimes That's for sure By the way I was just I was saying that because Like everyone was thinking it Yeah and I was thinking

I could totally kill the president right now I mean we went through so much more security You'd go on airplanes Aaron if you were there you would have been thinking it It was all everyone was talking about It was on the tip of our tongues you know it's illegal to say I want to kill the president well I don't shit I don't let's put that on

but it's not illegal to say that it's not illegal wait it's not illegal to say wait no it's not illegal to say that it's illegal to say that I want to kill the president which is what I just did the first time is it illegal to think of possible places that could happen no Oh, my God. I'm just...

I thought of the way to think it, but you're definitely flagged. You're saying it. You definitely flagged. Could we just cut all of this? Nope. Nope. It stays in. They still have it.

It still exists. They do? Yeah, they're listening to it right now, man. Edward Snowden. He's in Russia. Dude, I just talk shit. He's going to turn this into the feds and you're done. I'm more just talking.

I talk too much shit on the Secret Service saying like you're not doing your jobs. And now they're going to come after me because it's their job to protect the president. So, Fuck me. So good job. You might get a knock at the door for sure, yeah. I bet there was like 50 Secret Service agents, like hiding in spots. You had no idea where they were.

Yeah, probably in the arcade. Yeah. They've done a good job of making you think that they're everywhere. I don't know that they actually are. Yeah. But I do think, like, behind every, if the president sound like every rooftop, every window, there's binoculars looking at me. Oh, I definitely believe there's snipers. Like, they make us believe that there's like maybe like 20 or 30, but there's probably like three or four.

Yeah. No, there's definitely a ton. And actually, now that I think about it, there probably was guys in the arcade, just who... Don't walk it back. Don't walk it back. I'm walking it back. Don't want them to knock on the door. That's Billy's favorite exercise is walking back.

Damn, man. Billie does a hot girl walk it back. There's, uh, Billy, I've been meaning to tell you, uh, Big Cat actually works for the Secret Service. He was there just for that instance to make sure you didn't try any funny business. Perfect. I wasn't, by the way, can we like, start? Stop. Pete Weber.

I was just saying it. I was just saying it. Jake, secret service. Everybody's secret service? We actually, we hired Jake just to be secret service around you all the time. Well, now I'm jealous that I didn't get invited to do secret service. You'd be so bad at keeping a secret service. What do you mean?

You would tell everybody. About what? What do you mean? The service that's supposed to be secret. You also look like you're a cop already. I know. It'd be more stolen value. Actually, maybe what if I am?

secret service and you guys never knew wow that'd be wild so damn i just revealed another secret mhm darn so okay so big t you think ross obrickton prison for the rest of his life deal uh mad dog you say yes also i say yes but maybe not for the rest of his life i say he deserves a hefty sentence okay avery yeah i agree with mad dog arian i think you're with me free roe Free my dog. Free Ross, man. Billy? Yeah.

I don't know how much time he's done. Maybe give him a couple extra years, but not for life. There was a documentary that we watched for the show. I forget which one it was. It might have been about the cult, the sex cult, nexium. Yeah. In the documentary, they kept talking about one of the agents that was working on it, and his name was Rick Ross.

Do you guys remember that? Yeah. I think it was next to him. Yeah, it was. And they kept being like, and then Rick Ross discovered that they were using this PO box.

I was like, oh, okay, that other Rick Ross, got it. Actually, I take it back. Free Ross and give his sentence to that motherfucker

who wrote the furry thing that we just read. That guy should be in jail for life. Or a girl, whoever, whoever. Pre-crime. Yeah.

Yeah. Are you anti-furry? I'm not, okay. I'm anti, I'm anti, whatever that is, whatever I read.

Persecute the, The furries? The people who write that shit, absolutely. They came for the furries. Persecute and prosecute. Yeah. When they came for the furries, no one. Oh, wait, hang on.

Hang on a second. I want to read this article here because I did not see going back to the start. You guys may have already discussed this. The Fox News headline? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Okay. You already got into that.

Ex-NFL star, Aaron Foster. Oh, sarcastically explains how the NFL is right. Yeah, they, and ironically, Fox is one of the only thing. Only ones that got that got that shit. The rest of these motherfuckers think is, like, it's real. That's just crazy. Yep. And that's nice.

They said they called you, the only people that got the story right. They called you a star, too. That's nice. I was shining. So says the script. You did your part. I did my part, yeah. All right, I'm glad they got that part right.

That's nice. Shout out Fox News. I ain't matter. Yeah. I don't know about all that, but I'm glad they got it right. And shout out Marlon Humphrey. me giving up 200 to chase was just me following the script

shout out to all the players that got it it was like yo that shit funny and it was like yo this and this happened that was the script that shit honestly was one of the better Twitter days in a long time man like it it it did numbers

and it was all a good fun and I'm a shame that I vote in the same country for all the rest of the motherfuckers I think it's real thing Brendan Schwab included that was wild what did he say

but you should you should He should know, like that nigga. I mean. The fact that he couldn't pick up on, I don't know. He said we were doing it for clicks. Okay, yeah. Yeah. You're like, you clout chasing.

Like, nigga, you don't know how many words I've said on this podcast. Like, I don't give a fuck if it go viral. In a way, we were doing it for clicks, but it was like to joke about it. No, no, no. You set that whole shit up, brother. You did it for clicks. I was just, I was just witty enough to pick up on what you were doing. have fun in the moment you you were like cut it clip it i had no idea i did say that but i did say that but

it was also because i thought that we were just doing a bit and i thought everybody would understand that the point of the bit is how ridiculous it is that people actually think that the NFL is scripted yeah but here we are but we don't get it of course i i took all the bullets it's all good i do owe you bullets i owe you bullets and i i want you to take me up on that i'll get Pull it in for. Absolutely. I will absolutely set you up with a fire squad. Dirty round mag.

We get a drum man. We'll figure that shit out, man. We were talking about this earlier. We don't do it for clicks. We do it to create, like, art. That's right. I thought it was funny. Like, it literally spawned some of the best,

the best Twitter day in a long time. Yeah. What sucks is we missed it all while we were bowling. Yeah, we did. Well, no, I'd say today. Yeah, today is when it was yesterday. Yeah. Today, today it really popped off.

off. Yeah. Today was when everybody caught wind of it. And absolutely. We gave, we gave Twitter. Elon was happy today. He was. We gave, we gave Daddy Elon a show. Do we have, do we have any voicemails? No, no voicemails? Okay, we'll have to put out a call for more of it voicemails soon. I want to talk about one last thing with Elon and then, then we can head out, but this is brought to you by sport clips. Consider this, not every hair stylist is created equal. Many stylists don't have much experience cutting. men's hair, but you don't know it until it's too late. At Sport Clips, all stylists undergo specialized training specifically in how to cut and style men's hair, making them not just stylus, but scissor-cutting scholars, virtuoso's volume, and fade fanatics. After all, it's not just any average haircut. This is the big league we're talking about, and these are hair-cutting professionals. So don't hand your bushy old noggin over to just anyone with a pair of clippers.

Sport Clips takes cutting men's hair to another level, which is why they truly are the pros in men's hair. Elon went private on Twitter as an experiment, as a social experiment today. Because Big T, maybe you know more about this than I do, but from what I've understood, there are a lot of right-wing influencers, people on the right on Twitter that are claiming that if you go private, all of a sudden you're getting more engagement on your tweets than you were before when you were being able to get retweeted. I've heard not a word about this. Okay. So he's responding. So Elon went private in response to people that were telling him that.

I don't know what's going on with the algorithm. What I can tell you is as somebody that was private on Twitter for like three months, Kohle used to log online all the time and his timeline would just be my tweets that were like popping up

when he would open up Twitter because I was recommended as private. So I actually think that there is something to this. I think there's something in the timeline that like if you follow somebody and their accounts private, you get their tweets recommended to you more often. I was that,

didn't he tweet like, he tweeted like something's wrong or something like, bitch, you own it. They go, yeah, I don't think, so there's people saying that it's part of a conspiracy with Twitter

because people just like love complaining about Twitter right now to Elon Musk. He said, made my account private until tomorrow morning to test whether you see my private tweets more than my public ones. That was 17 hours ago. I'm going to be honest.

I think what the algorithm was is that most people who are on private are, like, people you're probably friends with because most non-public figures are private. So if you're like, if they needed those tweets to even get involved in the algorithm that's based off of popularity, likes, and those tweets sometimes probably don't have any likes or a couple likes or they're only personal stuff, like that's definitely why they get boosted because they think it's like you're following your friend. I have an old personal Twitter that is private that we're all just follow our like Twitter sphere was all of our friends who are private and we're just tweeting into the abyss I think that's probably there's probably something to that I don't think that it's anything nefarious

I think that yeah I think it was just private people are probably need a little boost because they're just your friends that probably should get up on your feed so you can see what your friends post yep oh I'm also on Elon's timeline right now It says that British Columbia, Canada, just started a three-year experiment, legalizing fentanyl, heroin, and several other drugs. Love it. A radical new policy introduced by British Columbia, adults in possession of 2.5 grams of heroin, fentanyl, cocaine, and methamphetamines, or ecstasy, will not be arrested or even have their drugs seized. And then Elon says, all things considered, this is the better approach.

Elon and Aryan, building bridges. better future together. That's what we do, man. All right. Anything else you guys want to get into? Did we do teed off already? Tried. Do we do beat off?

Yeah, we basically did with the presidential stuff. Yeah. You beat off on Joe B? No, the Secret Service. You're going to beat off on Joe Biden? That would be necrophilia. How is your shoulder doing? Oh.

That's funny. that one that one slid right past me that's good i can't kill the president he's already dead that's that's good um i'm sore in the weirdest places and one of them being literally my hip my left hip is weird my not my left flat but like my rib muscles here and this is from bowling for about six hours straight yeah and my forearm in hands from grip the heavy ball for so long. That's what hurts. Yeah, you have bowling.

Like, I was trying to, I was trying to squeeze my Gatorade bottle this morning while I was training. Yeah. And I, like, couldn't. It was, my hands were too sore. What pound ball do you use? I was, we were using, it wasn't holding a 14, 16 pound ball for six hours straight. That's too, that's too heavy.

Why are you using a 16 pound ball, bro? Well, he's using the 14. He didn't want to let anybody, like, use a bigger ball than him because. then he'd get emasculated. No, I was using... I used, like, 12, and, like, when I'm really, like, towards the end of the night, I'll go down to 10 or 8. Why are you doing?

No, you can't be. That doesn't make sense. What you mean? What did you bowl, first of all, before I had this conversation? Terribly, but that doesn't matter. Yeah, okay. But don't you... Absolutely does.

I'm a good 150 to 200 every time. I took a bowling class. I took a bowling class in college. I'm fucking nice. Everyone told me to use to have your ball because it'll, like, battered down. the pins better and not bounce off of them. You still have to, you still have to be accurate. Well, I was just rolling it down the middle.

Wait, Aaron, you took a bowling class in college? Oh, yeah. I did it for an elective just because you have to do electives. And so that was one of the options. And I was like, I, fuck it. I'll do it. But they really teach you about bowling. Like, and so I was really, I was going to practice every day.

So I got nice. Shout out University of Tennessee. Yeah, you know. Let's do one last thing and then we'll sign off going around the room what was the what was the easiest most ridiculous class you took in college billy you have to go first it's a podcast billy people are wondering if their phone died oh sorry I don't want I don't want photos to surface from this class it was a it was a performing arts class you know that by saying it this way, you make it 10 times

more likely that photos will surface. All right, Big T, what was your easiest class? No, dude, say it. Anyway, I took a class called the Science of Basketball shooting, and it was this one dude who couldn't play basketball to save his life, but he had

just perfected a standing at the free throw line, like, form, not even a jump shot, a free throw, and that's all he could do, and he did these ridiculous drills, like rolling the on the floor with your middle finger and like my buddy and I uh the first day he was like everybody shoot uh 20 free throws and we shot like 85% and so he was like you two can like

help me teach the class basically so we just uh we basically just did all this it was nonsense it was 85% though that's hey that's yeah i think i was i think i was 17 for 20 it's pretty good uh and so so there was like really no room for he and I to improve like I guess you could you know but uh so yeah we just basically shot a bunch of free throws and then we became de facto like TAs of the class that's a great class I would take that class right now yeah by the end of the semester we were just like playing pickup we kind of disregarded the instructor altogether but that's sweet what about you a story of football shout out rich Hanley professor over at Quinnipiac University, one of my guys.

I played hockey with him, like, every week. He ice skating, but story of football, great class. Just talked about the history of football, started from the Yale Bowl all the way up to what it is now. Great guy. That was a class. Me and Big Cat gets taught for a day. Yeah, that was it.

Yeah. That was a very cool class. You guys loved that teacher. Yeah. He was like a rock star on that campus. He is. Mad Dog. I didn't take any of those, like,

sports classes like that um shit I don't I don't know if there was like one of those like that that I took I I don't know like I didn't take any of those like underwater basket

weaving like anything like that I don't think that would not be easy yeah like that's like a say we took basket weaving was an elective during winter study I took that yeah for the art there's all I took I went to a liberalized college that's one of the craziest places on earth

there's some wild class can you weave a basket yeah no way we've a basket for the podcast and we'll give it away to a listener well you buy reeds okay there's all probably i'm willing to grant you a $50 read budget

is that enough reads I don't know I'll buy some you tell me is that enough read how many reads are we talking about here we're gonna need some I mean I need find the reads first I don't know where to buy them they're just there in the studio So, okay. Source some reads.

I will. We'll have you weave a basket and then we'll give it away to a listener. Perfect. Love it. I took a football coaching class one time at Jamie. That was awesome. How did you guys get in all these football? I don't know.

I think I just got up early on the day. That was the one day that I woke up early enough to register for the right classes. There was this one guy from, he was like a townie that lived in Harrisonburg that just signed up for that class. He wasn't a student at the university. He just got into that class for some reason. and I remember like second day the professor was addressing us and he was like an assistant coach at a nearby college and he goes you guys know Terry Bradshaw right and then probably like 30 of us in the class this one dude from town probably 40 years old just raises his hand his hand shoots up and the professor's like yeah you in the back he's like Terry Bradshaw quarterback Pittsburgh Steelers and the professor was like yeah that's uh that's correct and then he just moved talking about whatever story he was going to tell about Terry Bradshaw and there was another

one but my favorite part of that class was he talked to us about the science of the coin flip to start the game and he said that he conducted a five year long study as to whether or not it was better to decide to kick off or to receive

in the first half in terms of what let me guess wait wait wait let me just set the entire thing up he studied it by what your average field position was starting drives to determine whether it was beneficial

to kick or to receive so throughout the first half do you think it's better for field position to kick off or receive? Um I think it's better to kick off.

I would also say kick off because if you get a three and out on your first possession the guy's punning from his own 15 punts at 50 yards you're at your own. Did you know that you also can defer?

Yep. Well, that's, so that's what you can't technically choose to, well, you could choose to kick off in the first half, but the second half decision always goes to, this happened a few years ago. The team didn't say we defer. They said, we want to kick off. And so technically that was their decision, not deferring.

So the other team still got the decision in the second half, so they got to receive twice. Yeah, how? Because if they say kick. So it's not if you choose to kick the other team, you receive in the second half. That's not how it works. You have to defer your selection to the second half. And then the other team obviously chooses to receive once it's their pick first.

Yeah. No, that's an option. You can choose to receive or not. Yes. So if you choose to receive the kickoff in the first half, that means that you are implying that you will kick off in the second half. Well, you've made your selection. Yeah.

So then the selection goes to the other team in the second half. Similarly, if you choose to, if you say, no, because if you say we're kicking, that means you get the ball the next half. I think what happened was they deferred. No, deferring is what you do. No, no, no. So, no, you can say we defer and the other team will go, well, we want to receive. Correct. Because if they defer, yeah.

So I think what happened was the other team said after they deferred, they said we want to kick. I think that's what happened. Because if the team that gets the coin toss says kick, then you automatically get the ball in the second half. Okay. It's implied. Here are the rules. Yeah, because in high school. Option one is you receive the opening kickoff.

Option two is you can opt to kick off and start the game on defense. Option three is you choose to defer. The last option has become more popular in recent years. A deferred coin toss is why you would choose to, let's see, when two. teams defer the coin toss, they pass the decision on who receives the opening kickoff to the other team. That team will naturally decide to receive the opening kickoffs

and then deferring the coin toss is a way for teams to start the game on defense and work around a rule in football that still allows them to receive the second half kickoff. Yeah, so that's what had to happen. What had to happen was they deferred

and the other team said, we want to kick off and then they got the ball first and second half. That That could be. Huh. Yeah, because if you say kick, the other team has to get the ball. So going back to the field position, do you think it's better to kick off or receive in the first half? This goes back to my professor's five-year-long comprehensive study on college football that he spent years compiling.

Kick off. I think kickoff. I'll say kick off. He came to the same conclusion that it's better to kick off in the first half. now then some smart ass in the class asked him but professor doesn't that all just balance out in the second half because you'd be receiving in the second half and the field position would balance out that advantage that you gained in the first half and the professor looked at this bright-eyed student and said I didn't take into account second half field position in my five-year study oh my god yeah he might have I might have found a glaring loophole in his so he was like the overwhelming evidence

suggests that film position favors you if you kick yeah he put together a big a big paper on it but it was a great class I had a fun time of there it was no bowling

and Billy I will be following up I know you've got a lot of projects on your plate right now that's another one but basket weaving is going to be added to the list officially I'm deferring

all projects maybe basket weaving all projects till after March 3rd basket weaving not included in a macro basket yeah all right well um thank you guys for listening sorry that i was late showing up guys but thanks for sticking around we will see you all next week i'm going to be in arizona next week for the super bowl yeah we got to figure that out because it's our hundredth episode hmm that's okay we got a big episode plan for for thursday i'm not going to be a part of it

yeah we have two special guests and donnie will be coming all right yep donnie will be here next week it'll be a good time he'll be filling in people love donnie all right we'll see you guys next week love you guys