Macrodosing: Arian Foster and PFT Commenter - Sleep

Episode Date: August 3, 2021

On today's episode of Macrodosing, the crew gets cozy on sleep talk and the studies that have been done on it. Not only were there many interesting stories and conspiracies behind sleep, we also had a HEATED fact-off for the ages between Billy and Big T. You don't want to miss it. Buckle in for this one. Today's show is a wild ride. 00:00 - 31:00 Parenthood, Ostriches, Lobsters, National Treasure, and so much more random stuff 31:01 - 47:00 Sleep Talk Begins/Billy and Big T Argument 47:01 - 1:20:00 Sleep Facts and Benefits 1:21:00 - 1:40:00 Lucid Dreaming and Not Being Able To DreamYou can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/macrodosing

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It is the only podcast that you can download on Stitcher, iTunes, Spotify, Amazon, X videos, the Hamster Dams website. You can find us everywhere online, basically. We are a podcast by and for the internet. internet. We got me, Aaron Foster, Coley, Mick, Billy, Big Tea, Mad Dog, Avery, all here today. Another full house, and we're back at it. Before we get into today's topic, which is going to be sleep. We'll see how long we can get before getting into sleep. I think last episode, we went, what, 50 minutes before we talked about the Iraq War. Wanted to touch in with Aryan here

to talk about his weekend because I just read from your tweet, Aaron, you went to a treasure hunt. this weekend? I made a treasure hunt, yeah. You made a treasure hunt? Yeah, yeah, I made a treasure hunt. It's some real dad shit. So there's like these little pieces of paper that we got from some shit that we ordered. And they looked like treasure maps to me.

And I was like, yo, we should do a treasure hunt. So like I cut up a whole bunch of pieces of those things and placed clues all over the house that led to other clues and eventually led to a big. like chest full of like fake gold and diamonds and then they had like cool toys and shit like that pretty cool that's sick it is pretty dope it sounds like a good time i i can't wait to be a dad just so i can do like easter egg hunt stuff that's really fun man that's really the only thing about parenthood that i would be looking forward to because every time i've been doing a lot of traveling recently every time i go through an airport i just see families traveling with little kids and it's like okay, I'm never going to have sex again

because I don't, I never want to have to like board a plane with a child that seems like the worst thing ever. I don't know, man. I think kids are kind of like dogs. Oh, hold on, hold on. Whoa, whoa, whoa. All right, we got Casey Anthony Foster. Hold on.

I said, let me qualify that statement. What I found in, because I, you know, I used to have a dog, lost them in the divorce. But what I found, though, is, like, dogs are usually like they're dog owners, right? Like, if you're a piece of shit, your dog's probably a piece of shit. Yeah. If you're, like, a really good person, like, dogs might be really a good person.

So, like, kids react to, like, their environment. And so if they're used to, like, getting their way and, like, and they're, like, always, like, greedy and give me, give me, give me. Like, that's because of the environment that the parents have cultivated in their house. And so when they're out in public, like, I don't really shun it because, like, sometimes kids just want to be kids, right? So it don't really bother me, but like, I never, and I could just have had my kids being amazing, right? I just could have four kids that just happen to be amazing. But, like, I've never had any trouble with them on planes. Like, they don't be screaming.

They don't be throwing themselves on the floor and throwing tantrums because I don't play that shit in my house. And I don't hit them. I'll never hit my kid. It's just, I treat them like, like I feel like you should treat them. And it came out, all right, man. Hopefully they don't do anything crazy. But I don't know, man. That's what's my take on parent.

I hear what you're saying because I think a lot of people are, at least in America, they look at having kids as being, they almost overparent, right? And so when they start to overparent, then it becomes an issue with, like, different types of problems. Like helicopter parents and school teachers absolutely can't stand them. They think everything that happens to their child is like a big deal. Every interaction they have, they're either like getting bullied or there's something weird going on. And whereas if you take more of like the European approach, which is like be a good example, teach them, protect them, but let them make their own mistakes a little bit, then they end up being more well adjusted. So I guess all that's to say, Coley, you should spend less time with your child.

Done. I'll let the wife know. This is official advice from PFT. No problems with this. PFT suggests going with more of the Scandinavian model for raising your child. We're going to build her a doghouse out back. She could learn to live off the land. I mean, that's a big thing for Maine.

Don't a lot of people up in Maine basically live out the plot of the book Hatchet, which is just like you make a lean to, you build a fire every night and you try to kill something if you can. It's, it's wild. Like when I was in the process of like looking at houses up here, I was like most of the, like, there's not a lot of fenced in yards. because people just stick to themselves and they're not worried about having nosy neighbors. But, like, my dogs aren't used to just being able to roam free.

So I was like, like, what's like the permit pulling process? Like, I know in Massachusetts, like, it's a fucking hassle to build a fence on your own property. And, like, the realtor just laughed in my face. They're like, you can do whatever the fuck you want out here. As long as you're not bothering anyone else, you have at it. Like, Maine's kind of lawless in a lot of ways. Yeah. I find that a lot of northern states, like far, far northern states are kind of like that, where it's like, if you can survive by doing it and it's not hurting anybody else, then go for it.

Like, we don't have time to enforce non-animal rescue related phone calls. If there's a bear that's currently attacking you, we will be there to help you out, but anything else you do on your properties between you and God. Yeah, I've yet to see a bear, which I'm very thankful for, but there's this roving, I can only call them again. of about nine turkeys that just run amok in this neighborhood. And I'm going to have to do something about it sooner or later. And they're called the Boston Red Sox. Thanksgiving coming up. So yeah, I mean, it's it's definitely a mom and the dad.

I don't want to assume their gender, but it appears to be a mom and a dad in all of their kids. And they, I mean, they walk around with their head tie and their chest out like they run the fucking place. Wild turkeys are are delicious. They're like mostly dark meat. They're more rich, right? I'll find out. Let us know. So I have a lot of questions about turkeys, and I still haven't really got any satisfactory answers to them.

But I want to know how come we don't eat turkey eggs in this country. I know that we talked about it like a little bit, but I've been thinking about it more. I feel like turkey eggs, I would really enjoy a turkey egg. It would be a giant. It'd be like a, Billy, that's the key to gains probably. I think, didn't I research it? It was like they're not economical to produce. But still, I could, they lay them at some point.

So there should be, I should be able to find a turkey egg if I really wanted one. True. It just says it's like economically inefficient. Right. Yeah. I get that like you can't have a turkey egg farm because then you've just got a lot of turkeys that are producing like one egg a week or every month or however infrequently it is, which that doesn't scale. But they do lay eggs. So I feel like I should be able to buy a turkey egg.

Yeah. Just make them way more. like caviar is more expensive because it's harder to come across. I imagine like if these are harder to come across, boost the price. There we go. Yeah. Well,

they just go straight to ostrich eggs at that point. Because I mean, they sell ostrich eggs. There's levels. Like this can be right in the middle. Yeah, but it's like if you want bigger eggs, like might as well get an ostrichs.

If he doesn't want bigger, he wants turkey. I want turkey specifically. It's marginally bigger than a normal egg. But I don't, yeah. I'm not looking to go from six to minutes. night here. I think ostriches probably lay more eggs than turkeys. I think that's what's going

on. How much you want to bet? There's no way the ostrich lays more egg than turkey. Is big ostrich in your pockets, Billy? What are the ostrich lobbying? Look, I've been to a couple of farmers markets and encountered a couple ostrich ranchers. He's got ostrich jerky on his desk. You are a show for the ostrich lobby, aren't you? You really are. Hey, get your head out of the sand. which is not really a thing they don't really do that right that's just kind of like a fable I don't know

I don't know much about ostriches we need to look into those big giant I thought I read it I could be wrong but I thought I read something with us they don't actually do that but I can be wrong My theory is that every ostrich is just a pedophile dressed up in a suit

looking to lay low for a while I don't think that they actually exist I think it's all a bunch of mascots they don't bury their hand in the sand they use their head to like dig holes and use his nest for their eggs. Wow. So some assholes are like taking care of his kids and like, oh, you're just avoiding responsibility.

Fucking coward. Yeah, look at this pussy. Yeah. Like the exact opposite. That's a tough break for the ostrich. This guy won't look me in the face like a man. What a dick. So sausages lay 40 to 130 eggs a year.

How many eggs do turkeys lay? I'm going to guess more than that. I'm a guess. I'm a guess. Oh, let's take it just get everybody's guess. God damn it, Billy,

he took the fun out of that. Damn, Billy, straight from the hit, bro. That would have been a fun little roundtable guess, whatever,

bro. He jumped the gun. Aaron, you'll have to forgive Billy. We're recording at 120 right now, 1.20 p.m. on Monday. And Billy is a little upset.

Billy doesn't like doing these morning. recordings. They're not more. It's just there's a lot to do in the day to prepare for the show and everything. I prefer if we did it how we usually did it at 4.30. Yeah, I understand. Also, my brain doesn't really start working until right around 5 p.m. But today we just had, we had a bunch of other stuff going on with scheduling. So we had to, we had to bump it earlier. I don't mind the earlier recordings. I just think maybe sometime in the middle, like 2.30 or three that's i kind of like this one i got i got the whole day now you know after this

it's gonna be i'm gonna get a drink maybe well why don't we why don't we leave it up to uh all the dose heads out there and let us know if you like this podcast does this podcast turn out better than the ones that we record later sound off in the comment section yeah vibe check on the episodes that were recorded earlier in the deck dose heads is dose heads is just what came to my top of my head it's kind of a bad name The dose bros? I thought we were the macrodosians. Macrodosians, yeah.

Oh, whatever. Yeah, I don't think we can give them a nickname. They have to give themselves a nickname. Yeah, it's just whatever. If you guys want a nickname, you figure it out. We can't do everything around here. Show some responsibility. Don't be an ostrich.

Don't be an ostrich. Oh, I had one embraced debate I wanted to get into before we talked about sleep, sleep and dreams, which is, I think, going to be an interesting topic for today's show. There's been a lot of talk about veganism in the news recently. Cade Cunningham, first overall pick. He's a vegan. I think Justin Fields has experimented with a vegan diet as well for the Chicago Bears. Do you guys think is honey vegan?

No. Vegans can't eat honey. Why not? Because it's an animal product. It's a product that is of not. Animal labor. So there's two different kind of vegans, right? There's vegans.

Because I went vegan. That shit went like before like there were vegan restaurants. A lot of them anyway. So like Skip Bayliss and Stephen A were debating on first take like Aryan Foster with vegan. It was fucking stupid. But there's two kind of vegans. One of them do it for health reasons and the other one does it for like ethical reasons.

I'm sure there's a bin diagram. But so bees create honey. and taking that from them is unethical to a lot of vegans. Could you argue, though, that like bees produce kind of all food, both plant and otherwise. So could you argue that vegans shouldn't eat anything?

So if, so like technically plants are alive, right? And so you have to kill them in order to eat them. I have thought about that philosophically, but I think they'll rest on the fact that plants don't have nerve, central nervous system. And so anything that doesn't feel pain, I think they're like, okay, you can consume. There was a short story about this guy who's testing like sound frequencies and basically he was like in his workshop and all of a sudden he just heard a bunch of screams through the

radio and he like changed the frequency. Then he turned it back and there was just a bunch of screams. And like it was like a really cool concept. and then outside there was a guy mowing the lawn and the like he tapped into plants frequency of like their like communication and basically as all the grass blades were getting cut they're all just screaming in pain and it was kind of just like yeah plants feel it was like i can't remember what the story was called well i think that uh i don't know if you can say like because it's a product of their labor do the bees do they suffer in any

way, shape, or form if you take their honey? Or does it just inspire them to make more honey? And it'd be like a factory farm or a slave plantation, wouldn't it? Well, I don't know. Is it, or is it like if, let's just say that there's an artist in a room and they paint murals on every single wall? And then you come in and you remove the murals and you give them new blank canvases. Wouldn't the artist be happy with that? They'd be like, thank you for giving me more room to create. I feel like we're almost doing the bees of favor. Well, they're storing the honey for winter. They don't need it in winter.

No, we're just stealing the reserves. We're taking care of winter with global warming. They don't need. They'll be fine. It'll be permanent summer for these bees. They just get on the same game plan we have for them. I don't understand. Where do lobsters fall for ethical reasons?

Because lobsters can't die naturally. Hang on, say that again? Yeah, no. Lobsters can't die. Lobsters can't, they, let me pull it up. Come on. There's a bunch of, Lobsters are immortal.

It sounds like Coley moved to Maine, and the welcome pamphlet that came in his mailbox was very descriptive and educational. He's right. There's a couple of animals like this that can't die unless an outside force kills them. Jellyfish? Yeah, jellyfish. There was a type of jellyfish. I think, I think turtles are.

Some giant tortoises. I remember very vividly. Nemo asked his dad to ask the tortoises. 150, 150, dude, I believe if I'm quoting him correctly. But I think that's when something kills them. No, that's like typical old age for the tortoises. The tortoises, they can, the giant ones, like in the Galapagos, the Pinta Island tortoise, they can get from 100 to like 160 naturally.

I'm telling you, I... But they die because something. kills them. Yeah, old age. Right, but like, yeah. The thing with, with lobsters, this was a Twitter thread that went viral a few years ago by Junius underscore 64. Lopsters do not die of old age. The only thing time does to a lobster is make it bigger and bigger if the environmental conditions are normal. This is because they have a secret molecular trick over all rube's constant production of telio morays so basically it's like the same thing that grows cancer in humans is very similar to what grows the lobsters and it just keeps growing there's

nothing that stops it from growing they always just malt their shells and then the shells become bigger and harder to the point where like there's theoretically lobsters in the ocean floor that are like 50 pounds that just cannot move because they're kind of prisoners in their own body because it just keeps growing and growing it does not kill them but it does cause them to become immobile and not be able to walk around do anything but they won't die naturally so when we like i always viewed boiling lobsters it's like maybe the most cruelest way we we cook animals but it is kind of like their valhalla moment that is their sweet release to the other side that they would not get any other way. I guess that I'm sure lobsters have

natural prey in the ocean, but other than us plucking them and dropping them into boiling pots of water, they just don't die. It says, I found a thing that says that they, like, every time they molt, they can die of exhaustion during a mold. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it's not like an outside source, but it's not just like a natural death. It's like something happening to them. Right. And that's where, like, they can get exhausted. That's, like, towards the end. Like, a younger, like, four-pound lobster wouldn't die from exhaustion. It would be, like, a fucking 40-pound lobster that's just like, I can't do this anymore, dude. Tap out. Yeah. Yeah. That's in eating, eating lobsters is like euthanasia.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We're heroes. Dr. Death, baby. I don't know. I still, I go, back to the the honey thing, I feel like it's, it's like saying if a baker, oh, I can't eat his cupcakes because that's a product of his labor. Like, bees are, are doing what they love all the time. But you create this beautiful substance. We just need to pay the bees. Pay the bees. You pay the baker for his labor. We just need to pay the bees. The baker isn't take the, the, the stuff that you're, the baker is selling isn't what's in his, like, cupboard that he's storing for like, in case of a rainy day to feed his family. Could be. They just haven't gotten a enough offer yet we have to pay the bees

Connor's right Conner's right at least name image and likeness sure for the bees absolutely let them earn their own let them earn money off their own honey yeah yeah we'll sponsor B is market is there a team I guess Georgia Tech or yellow jackets a whole hive there's no yeah whole high should we just get a hive I think urban beekeeping it's like we could get a hive you have you seen that have you seen that white lady on

TikTok who's just like doesn't look like she handles bees but she'll just walk no fucking suit into a beehive and just like calmly explain how she's doing this shit and the whole time like I'm cringing like that shit's insane Texas bee works or whatever yeah I've seen that lady she's got there with like perfectly washed horse girl hair and she'll just scroll up to a hive and she's like luckily I had an extra queen in my pocket and she just pulls she pulls a queen bee out of her pocket and then puts it in the hive there was big beekeeping drama going on uh this couple weeks ago so people were saying that she was a fraud. Some people were saying that it got real ugly. There were some other woman beekeepers

saying, I think her husband goes in there before her and cuts up the hive for her. Real sex is shit going back and forth. But I think I stand with, I think I stand with a Texas bee girl. I think I'm a bee girl guy. So my, my uncle actually keeps bees. Of course, he'd be surprising fact up right on the show. He was saying that. she was probably smoking them before like there's a there's a thing that beekeepers do where they smoke I know I watched a be movie yeah they smoke the hives to chill out the bees by smoke you mean like they inject smoke onto the hive yeah they like billow smoke is the proper word I think into the hive and it chills out all the bees I think has to do a C-02 and not enough

oxygen but it makes them calm and then she goes in she's not just like going in willy-nilly while the Ives, like, super active. Uh-huh. So it's a little bit of fake news going on. A little bit of propaganda she's showing us. Yeah. But I think that a lot of beekeepers do that with the smoke. But, like, the way the TikTok portrays is, like, she's just, like, going up to a random hive.

That's just like. I think that might be a little bit of conjecture on our part, though, because she never says, I'm going to this untouched beehive. You know what I said? And it's not like she's doing a bad thing. I think people are kind of blown to that. up but i mean well it's kind of like you know those the in thailand those tiger parks where all the tigers are just doped up on sedatives and like some guys walking in like oh like so like you know an alligator wrestlers they purposely take the alligators and they put them in cold places like before

they do like the like all the tricks where they put their hands in their mouth and stuff because when the alligators get really cold they like are dopes and like sleepy and don't move so then all those tricks that they're doing is just because like the alligators like half asleep because it's cold i didn't know that yeah they basically freeze the alligators so like if you see i was at a i was at a roadside i was in florida recently and i was at a roadside like alligator place so i kind of like to check those out on vacation of course yeah and i realized that before they do like one of the alligator shows they put them in the shade in a small pool that's like usually out of the sun so then their body temperature drops a ton.

So then, like, you know, alligator Joe who goes in there is just like, he knows that the alligator is not active at all so you can just go fuck with it. We got to make like a map, like a map of the United States for Billy filled with all the weirdest, like soon to be declared unethical roadside attractions and have you go to them before they get closed down for good. Like all these, all the gator wrestling places is a place down south of Austin called the snake farm that I'm sure that you'd love to go to. I know that they're in Georgia

There's a place that's like a Joe exotic type Animal they call it a rescue But it's just like a guy that's collected tigers I think There's the one near Mount Rushmore Which is like just a ton of bears He's called Bear City That's pretty cool Or it's like Bear Mountain

Original name There was one of those up in Vancouver I was there a couple years ago And at the top of one of the mountains that they had They just had like these four giant grizzly bears that were just sitting next to very, very skinny wire metal fences that were only about, I don't know, three and a half, four feet tall. The bears could very easily walk over them. So I was standing like right next to a bear. It takes your breath away. Yeah,

bear country USA. Bayer country USA. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. We need to put together a map of these roadside attractions for ability to go check out and do a book report on. Speaking of Mount Rushmore, I meant to talk to you about this last week and I forgot you watched National Treasure 2. I did. Yeah. I saw National Treasure 2. For the first time, two weeks ago. How was it? Incredible. I know.

Better than the first. Yeah, I think it's better than the first. I agree. I agree. I don't know where else they can go with it. I mean, I am obviously going to see National Treasure 3 when it comes out. But, I mean, they went inside Mount Rushmore. You dare doubt in Nicholas Cage.

You dare doubt Nicholas. Right. The second one's called Book of Secrets. They don't even really touch on the book. Like, they get the Book of Secrets, but they barely like open it. Right. We're talking aliens, conspiracies, coverups. Yeah.

Bro, we can go. anywhere we don't know what was on page 47 he looked at page 47 and he's going to talk about with the president who he kidnapped but yeah it's a great great movie yeah his kidnapping the president was like the third biggest part of the plot into the movie it was such a a pleasant kidnapping though oh yeah yeah they i mean they they were friends it was a very friendly kidnapping who's the who's the guy that plays the president in that movie oh shoot what's that guy that looks like George Bruce. Whoever it is, like looks the most like a president of anyone who's ever played the president.

Oh, I disagree. There are two guys that come to mind. Bruce Greenwood was that. He does look like a great president. I'll give you that. I would say Bill Pullman in Independence Day. He just looks like a president. He looks like a president.

And then that old dude that always, he usually plays a vice president actually, but he's always playing like some sort of politician in the sum of all fears. The guy that played the president in that movie. look at look that guy up uh some of all fears yeah he's got the he's like a really old white dude with a giant nose james cromwell james cromwell that dude is i'm surprised he hasn't been elected president that's how much he looks like a president he looks like a president but like a president from like 1892 a little bit yeah he's like a throwback Morgan freeman played president yes yeah was a deep impact he has deep impact it's pretty looks pretty presidential he does uh

I'm trying to find Skip Baylis and Stephen A. Smith having a debate over Aryan Foster being a vegan because there's nothing more that I want to watch my life. Well, you know who wasn't vegan like last season? Who? Carson Wentz. No way. He just got injured too. Yeah. Oh, can I connect the dots.

Yeah, it was a classic. I get that tweet every football season comes around. Or anytime I tweet something that goes a little, you know, gets a lot of traction, I get some eat some meat. Because, like, once you read a headline, it's true forever. So, yeah, you, you were, like, the face of vegan athletes because you were the first, like, outwardly spoken one about it. But most of the NBA right now is vegan, like, the vast majority of the NBA is vegan. It comes with their clothes. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, I don't, like, it just isn't, for whatever reason, it isn't the same story with the NBA as it is when any football player comes out. Like, you have to eat red meat to play football. Yeah, I mean, there's a common misconception that says that feels like in order to gain muscle mass, you need animal protein, which is not, not true. I just, I really wish that this had happened a couple years ago so I could see the segment on first take. That would just be an honor to me to have Stephen A. Smith and Skip Bayless, like just screaming at each other about my diet. How surreal is that? Yeah.

All right. I'll meet to myself. But it was weird as shit, man. It was like, because I didn't, I don't watch first take, so people had told me about it. They have it, but it's someone like recording their screen. Yeah. I found it though. It's titled ESPN, colon, vegan's not fit for football.

Can you play it? Yeah, I could play. I think we have to listen to it. I think this is funny. Oh, hold on. I think I'll remember it. No, let's just play it first. I miss quote them.

I just, yeah, I just want them to say my name to each other at some point in my life. The two of them debating if you're eating too much soup would be very funny. PFT is overloaded on soup. Stephen, I'm telling you, he has too much of it. What's your favorite soup? Oh, dude, there's so many good ones. Right now, I think my favorite is Greek lemon chicken soup. Avgo-Lamono soup.

Oh, here we go. vegan is not fit for me i don't know any NFL player that's ever been a vegan at all i don't either i think it's a bad idea because of the timing if he was going to do this your body has to have time to adjust you're going into a football season it's a lot of strenuous activity it's a lot of dehydration it's going to be hot and to deprive your body of that protein that has been used to get that's going to be a tough spot to be and i cannot retain your muscle mass without animal I was working in the gym. And when I made an announcement, you know, I'm now vegan.

You know, I'm now found. I've been to the mountain top, you know. A lot of guys at the gym were saying, you want to be able to build my soul. So basically, I just ate more, more fat. Lean beef, chicken, turkey, fish. Most veg, when they get on that diet, they lose muscle mass. Oh, yes. Oh, this is amazing.

You got Skip. Did you get to see Skip Baila's working out Charleston? No, that wasn't Skip. That was a vegan. I know that's not Skip, but there was another guy that was Skip, I thought. No. No, that was all the same guy. No, that was just a vegan.

Stop any kind of meat, even chicken, fish turkey, fish turkey. Well, I don't know any NFL player that's ever been. This is cutoff. Yeah, it's a weird cut-up video, but it's part of it. I think of all I, people will enjoy this. Oh, my God, look at how old that YouTube is. So you become a vegan, right? And you go into this season.

You're not as strong as you used to be. I guess that's it. They did a terrible job chopping that up, but that's pretty good. That's just amazing. It must be such an honor for you're in to have those guys talking about your diet. Skip Bayless, okay, he's not a football expert, but he is a gains expert. I don't know if you've seen how insanely jacked up he is, Arian. Yeah, he's got it going on.

He's pretty strong. Did you see the recommended next to the video was the guy from MasterChef, who's like on TikTok now making lobsterels from live lobsters? No, I didn't see that. Yeah, they're listening. There's also a clip of you on there talking about Marshawn Lynch. I just saw it. Oh, debating.

You were on first take with Stephen A. Yeah, when I googled Aryan Foster, Skip Bayless, the thing that came up was like Ari and Foster owned Stephen A. Smith and Skip Bailey about Marshawn Lynch. I definitely did own them. Because they were saying the dumbest shit in the world. Nick Steven Smith said, Marshawn List deserved to get fined like $20,000 for not talking to media.

I'm like, bro, you fucking tripping. Listen, the media pays your salaries. You are a part of the media now, Aaron. How do you square that? I'm not. I'm not part of no media, though. Social media, maybe. I don't I don't even know what's going on in any sports world though I went the entire NBA

finals without watching the game wild that's because you don't like how they support china we've already gotten into that that's a completely different story uh you guys want to talk about sleep yeah it's a little tiring all right oh god my mom just be honest be honest with me when did you come up with that like at what time today or yesterday No, I It was yesterday. It was when I didn't have enough time in the day to work out

and do research for this because we did this at 1.30. Just answer my question. I came up with it like a second ago. Avery, that was a premeditated joke. No, it was not premeditated. It was around the same.

Yeah, I kind of do believe Billy, but it was still bad. It was a terrible joke. Two minutes in the penalty box. Avery, can you turn his mic off? Yeah. Yeah. Billy's also losing that benefit of the doubt

after his haircut joke. I know. I know. That was actually a good one. With enough time, that joke has become better. But in the moment, no, Billy, stop tapping your mic. It's off. You got a yellow card. You'll be back on this side. I like this. This should be a regular thing. Yellow card. Can you keep trap back, Mad Dog? Yeah, it started. 141. All right, cool. So, yeah, let's talk about sleep, guys. Sleep per chance to dream. Sleeping is fundamental. Actually, no, Billy did not write that in his sheet. Billy did write, however, to start. off the sheet that scientists have still not discovered why we sleep so that it's kind of a mystery

i don't know going around the room do you guys are are you guys team no sleep or do you find that you have to have a certain amount of sleep because i know if i don't get at least let's say six hours six and a half hours anything below that i might as well be drunk the next day big tea i i have to sleep if i luckily um i don't stay out that late very often i I'm usually in bed by like 12. So like I usually get seven and a half. I'll bet you're a very peaceful sleeper. Stay away from my mic.

Yo, you're in the penalty. Might need another card. I'm like the deepest sleeper of all. I slept through an earthquake one time. That doesn't surprise me. I don't think it was a major earthquake, but there was an earthquake when we lived in Georgia and I, I slept through it. Aaron, what about you?

Do you need sleep? Yeah, I got to have it. I came from, you know, like playing ball my entire life. So they have like a real, like, militaristic scheduling. And so it's like, you got to be. here at this time and this time and this time. And so, like, post-career, like, I don't set alarms. I don't plan things.

I just go. And it's so much more fulfilling. And actually, like, doing a little research about this stuff, they say that if you set alarm clocks in general, you're actually sleep deprived because you're alerting your brain beforehand when it should wake up rather than what it should naturally do, which should actually the sun helps you, the sun going into your eyes helps. your body tell it to wake up but yeah

I think we're all sleep deprived as a society well I said as a globe we're all sleep deprived Billy you're back on the clock yeah so actually after if you stay up for a prolonged period of time did you think about what you've done did you think about what you've done

no not at all also his mic was on the entire time when I was tapping it did not make a noise Anyway When you said that you felt like you were drunk When you don't get enough sleep That's actually true You actually have a 0.05 equivalent BAC

When you stay up for like 16 hours straight Can we discuss that Billy? Because you stay awake for 16 hours straight Every single day Where did that come from? So 16 hours straight Like on top of 12 What?

Okay. you know what i just read that where does this guy i don't wait wait i'm sorry i do all the research yeah so i just want to know where this came from i have facts give me facts give me some fucking facts well it was okay so if you um if you sleep on your stomach you're more prone to dreams about sex no it's not sex it's going to prison or killing some or getting killed which i sleep on my stomach and my the bad dreams i have are about going to jail Okay, Bill, you have to do a fact now. It's a fact off.

Oh, okay. There's stuff called lucid dreaming where you can control your own dreams. Okay, fact. The perfect nap lasts for 26 minutes, according to NASA. But again, you're making me blow all my facts. Dude, you're on my fact sheet right now. I'm on my notes app, you dumb son of a bit. You're reading my facts I put together.

Bill, he didn't put these facts together. You copy and paste it from 70 strange and fascinating facts on vitalistics.com. From several, I've several facts sheet. I went and did several facts. Yes, you literally copy and pasted the number list. We can't do this this early in the day because I don't work out and I can't fucking put up with big TV. All right. Both you guys, both you guys, piddly box.

Yeah. Two minutes each, both of you. Two minutes each. Hey, BFT, you ain't shit for that, man. Oh my God. That was, I had a front road seat to the best heavy weight fight of the year. Come on, bro. Big Tee,

you also better fight than when Billy gets out of the penalty box, I need to understand his map for 16 on top of 12. Okay, Big T. Nope, penalty box, Big T.

So I kind of, I think I get it, but if you're awake for 16 hours, that would mean that you wake up at 8 a.m. And you go to bed at midnight. Go to bed at midnight, which happens pretty frequently, but after midnight,

you know, I could see that being true because after midnight, you might, you feel a little bit tired and a 0.05 BAC is not that high. You're not drunk. I also get nervous. Like if I am driving at night and I know I'm tired, I do get really nervous. So the entire thing about why humans are kind of sleep deprived, what Aaron was saying is,

first of all, when you go to bed and you do set that alarm, it's your brain telling your brain, telling like your future brain like, hey, don't get that much sleep. don't be super rusted already give you one more thing to be anxious about or or remember even as you're asleep over the course of the night and then most people or not most people but a lot of people are like the key to being successful is like sleep no more than four hours a night they take that as like a source of pride that they don't sleep but your your mental health improves dramatically if you sleep and actually has a huge effect on your physical health too so if you're just exhausted going through the day all the time it leads itself not just to you know

being clumsy or forgetful during the day, but it can actually lead to things like chronic stress. It can lead to things like there are some people that suggest that cancer occurs more frequently in people that don't get enough sleep as well because your body doesn't have enough time to recover. It's like the heart, heart issues, Alzheimer's, and not a lot of stuff like that. So if we want to get into like some of the weirder aspects of sleep real quick, I've always thought that it's kind of like at the end of every day when

everybody turns off their brains, what if that's when the aliens reprogram you? And like when you sleep, it's just your brain connecting to some greater being out there that's like recharging your battery for you and then filling your brain with certain information and then studying you over the course of the night. Also, as in two minutes, I just want to, as I just say, billion bics here on the clock. No one knows why we sleep. Is my mic on? Turn my mic on.

No, thought. My mics are coming back on. Hold on. The fact off is over. I know, but. It's very much raging on. No, humans are the other mammals that delay sleep willingly. Literally, you're on my facts.

It's on Billy's. Everything is on your sheet. Yes, I fucking put it together. Okay. You guys had the fact off already. No one knows the evolutionary reason why sleep is even a thing. Technically, being totally defenseless and unaware is should not be an evolutionary trait. Sharks do not sleep because they always have to keep swimming.

And dolphins and whales only let half of their brains sleep at it. time or they're not entirely sure how it works, but they do a partial sleep pattern while they do resting, floating, but it isn't entirely asleep. Basically, you know, no one's really sure if we sleep in order to reset ourselves and they actually can't tell why exactly it all happens. What about my theory, Billy, that when you sleep, you're getting plugged back into some greater being or an alien? Is there any evidence out there for that? I don't know. Okay. Absolutely not. I said that one time. to KFC and his response was

what if when you're asleep that's just your brain downloading tomorrow's episode. That blew my mind. Whoa. Are you guys okay? I don't know. Billy, Billy got upset about it. Big T, you just raised your voice right off the bat.

That was, let's try to have Billy, I apologize. No, no, it's just I do a lot of work and then you always come at me. Well, I didn't come at you. You said that all you, you were like, you don't have facts, only I have facts. And then you just, when you have 13 pages of sleep facts all copied off the internet.

Yeah, some of them are going to be the same. Yeah, they're not all facts. Billy just deleted the entire fact sheet on Google's talks so that no one else can use his sleep facts. That's pretty fucking petty, bro. It's not petty. It's because you got it's big tea was stealing his facts. Let's time about, tell about, tell my, time about, tell my, time about. Do you put it together so that you can be the gatekeeper of information?

No, I put it together so that we can have a great. conversation everyone's on the same page but it's but your man because big t's literally on the same page because he's literally like saying the facts are his i know criticizing the facts i bring to the table i know incorrect again but now you're what you're saying they're your facts he said that's not i'm just saying i put it's not like he's finding the facts on his own he's like taking the facts i've given everybody to the same websites you copied and pasted all 70 of these facts being i'm not i'm not being i'm not i'm not being irrational right now.

You know exactly what you're doing. So why don't when you say the 16 hours, the 16 hours, why don't you then go Google it and criticize the website instead of calling me a motherfucker? I asked you, I said, where did that come from? Because everyone stays up for 16 hours every day. That's where this whole thing started. It's 16 hours after the point of like trying to fall asleep. What does that mean?

I think no one knows anything about sleep. I see where you're going. now that you've said that I understand what you were saying in the first place. Thank you for explaining it to me. I apologize that I made you upset. I'm not upset. Okay.

Well, now we're getting nowhere. By the way, I think that was very big of you, Big Tee. Thank you. It was. It was. Big Big Tee. I understand where Billy's coming from, though. You did impugn his facts and then when press to provide facts of your own, you ate

some of Billy's facts. They were facts that I found looking at the same websites that Billy looked at. Oh, yeah, where's the facts from? You did take a couple of his files. Vitalistics.com, the same 70. Read another fact right now. Watching TV or using your phone, tablet, or laptop in the two hours before bed, emit blue light, which tricks your brain into thinking it's daytime.

That's a feeling free ad. That's fact 54. It's fact 54 on the website where you got all your facts, Billy. No free ads. That is true about the blue light, though. Yeah. All right. I got blue-leg glasses for this.

This is like Schaefter and Rappaport yelling at each other about sources. Yeah. Are Skip and Stephen A talking about veganism. 12% of people dream in black and white. That's fact 62. You know why? That sounds horrible. It's actually, that doesn't occur that much anymore because none of us grew up on black and white TVs.

See, that's a good, that's a good back and forth right here. Will you give me a hug, Billy? No. Please. I think you should hug it. No, we need to have the show later in the day so I can do my Monday routine. You can have your fucking, you don't have your morning milk, my nigga? Yeah, exactly, bro.

The nigga is really over here, fucking crabby. This is what happens when Billy doesn't work out. The only podcast that requires kindergarten afternoon. I need a nap. You guys need snack, too. Do we have any grape juice? There's go-go squeezes in the kitchen today. I could go get some.

Mattel, can you go downstairs to Dwayne Reed and bring up a couple of juice boxes and some gushers? Yeah. Do not go get it. You do not get me a juice box. I'm going to go get you two juiceboxes. I actually love a juice box. Do not walk in here with a juice box and hand it to me. I would actually love a juice box.

Billington, you'll get one. You too cool for juice boxes, bro. In this scenario, yeah. I'll buy juice boxes and consume them in my own home. But nobody's going to. Nobody's going to give me a juice box. You're cranky. Nope.

Nobody's going to hand me a juice box. You know what your problem is? Mike Dickin kicking and screaming. I'm not juice box voice. You know what your problem is? You guys are cranky because you're tired and you haven't had enough sleep. It could be entirely possible. You might need nap time.

Now, this was another thing about my nap fact. I wanted to bring up with you guys. I wanted to talk if we're pro or anti-napp because I have never. Is this a Billy fact or is a big teet fact? Billy had the fact on his sheet earlier. Yes, I also had the fact. um i've never taken a nap and felt better in my let do not take put your credit card in your wallet no if she comes in here with a juice box i'm leaving okay i actually have a chocolate

milk too that's that's that's something that's somebody who drinks juice boxes would say big i just don't i have no problem with juice boxes i have a problem being handed a juice box maybe one of those how else you're going to get a juice bar prompted by someone else you don't feel like a big baby if she comes back in here with the juice box i'm done for the day i need to care about being a big baby i'm glad bill about to get my milky wilkie whatever whatever puts you back in a better mood i'm all for before we continue i feel like a couple people on this podcast right now could use somebody to talk to to to get out some of their rage issues that they have brewing up if you have some stress that's bubbling up in your life uh it doesn't matter who you are or what you have

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Because I had a fucking episode, dog Okay So the other day About three or four days ago I I had a little shory with me, right? And I wake up Beautiful morning

You know, you stretch You do that body on Whatever fuck that is Feels amazing And she goes, where did you go last night? And I'm like, what is this like accusatory like what are you talking about like she's like yeah you disappear for like an hour and I'm like not dead like I can recall like no it didn't and she's like look at the cameras and I look at the cameras and I'm butt naked I walk into the kitchen I initially thought I was doing the dishes but upon further review I pissed in the kitchen sink this is mad weird yo I pissed in the kitchen sink and that was a long one too just standing there And then I look outside, I look to the back door and I go outside.

Like, I fumble with the doorknob and I go outside and I'm gone for like an hour. And then I come back in and then go straight to my room. Never in my life have I slept walked before. It was the funniest shit in the world watching it, but it's scary as hell. Because, like, I have no recollection of moving my body and I'm out here doing tasks. And who knows, I have a pool back there. I could have swam and drown. Like, there's a whole bunch of shit that could have went wrong, bro.

It was wild. Were you drinking by chance? I was pretty fake. Yeah, dude. So I actually, I do the same thing. If I like drink somewhere and fall asleep, I'll wake up and sleepwalk to the bathroom, but I won't know where the bathroom is because it's a new place and end up sleep like pissing in some weird places. Yeah.

I've done the same thing too. Little tip. This is an old part of my take tip, actually. I think I dropped this gym in like the first year of the show. I started to have a problem where once every couple months, I would get up and I would pee on some form of electronic. It would be like an alarm clock that I would pee on. I peed on my keyboard one time.

And then I came up with just remembering P-G-I-T, which means pee goes in toilet. And I would just, I would chant that to myself over the course of the night. Like as I was peeing, every time I would go to the bathroom, if I was out having a couple beers, I'd be in the bathroom. I'd be peeing and I go P-G-G-I-T, P-G-G-G-I-T, P-Gos in toilet. As I was peeing, and it can do. me to think about that while I'm peeing every time. And so there were a couple times where I got up,

I'd like go to a closet and start to think about peeing. I'd be like, this is not a toilet. This is not where it goes. I know where it goes. It goes in the bathroom around the corner. And then I just walked to the bathroom. But definitely drinking and sleepwalking, it goes together. And you're right. It is kind of scary because you realize, like, I didn't have control over my body. All right, you do have physical control, but mental control is definitely not all the way there. And so then you get anxious later thinking, oh, shit, what if I had done this or what if I had done that? And it's spooky. It's thought that up to 15% of the population could be sleepwalkers.

15%. Yeah. I've sleptwalk a couple times, Stone Cold, sober, too. But I haven't done that in years and years, probably like 20 years. But when I was like 13, 14, a couple times I did sleepwalk. Yeah. for me subsequently, like reading about it, they say that kids do it a lot and they think it's because they don't really know, but they think it's because like their, their brain

isn't fully developed yet. And so it's still trying to figure out how to, how to work itself out. But they said that it doesn't happen, an adult a lot. And if it does, it's usually like either alcohol influenced or, uh, people say it happens on Ambien a lot too. I've never tried ambient. But, um, yeah, man, I don't know. That was one of the most eerie feelings in, in my life. Because it's like, like, what if, because my keys are hanging up right by the door. Like, what if I thought to myself, I need to go drive somewhere, right? And I'm not even conscious, but driving because there's been people who have driven miles and woke up and they're in a car. And that's, that's scary.

Because I had been drinking, like, what if I get into a wreck? What if I hurt somebody? So I'm hiding my keys for myself now when I drink, just in case I sleepwalkers. I mean, I've been faded. I'm 34 years old. I've been faded. I don't know how many times. That's the first time I, to my knowledge, I've sleptwalk.

That shit's insane. Yeah, I feel like you, like, walk to the bathroom and don't remember it and have no idea about it, like, a lot when you're drunk. You just, since you're going to the bathroom, peeing and going back to bed, you don't really think about it. But it's when, like, you act like you don't know where the bathroom is or you get confused. That's where it causes those, like, excursions. Maybe, man.

I mean, there's no way of me knowing. I wasn't there. this this is now also great evidence for when we read the headline like former professional running back arian foster arrested naked driving and confused we can be like no no we can point to this sleepwalking episode those charges will get dropped you know what happened yeah uh billy you deleted all the facts that you had on the shoot so i don't know if you ever came across the answer to this one but uh what is the phenomenon where you stay awake for so long and you get so tired that you have trouble falling back

asleep. Oh, overtiredness. Is that what it is? It's because your body goes, your central nervous system gets on such overdrive that since you like it, you're like pituitary gland and like the stuff that's supposed to settle you down, you know, it's just been like, I don't know exactly how to explain it, but it's an element of overtiredness. So your body almost, it gets so. stressed out because it's tired that it becomes not actually sleepy anymore yeah most like they say a lot of insomniacs are is actually caused by anxiety oCD and panic disorders so when you're awake for that long you're in a state of panic so and confirm i've had i've had like i've had a few panic attacks

the last couple years and they've lasted like they'll like go in spurts so it's like it'll happen and it'll go away. It'll go away. Throughout the course of the night. And like at the end, like the next morning, I've stayed up to like six in the morning or seven in the morning doing that. And like the next morning, my body's so tired. But it's like it's so tired, I can't sleep. Like it's really weird feeling. Another fun fact, the world record for somebody staying awake is 11 days. 11 days. The alleged world record, which was fucking hilarious. Well, hey, juice boxes here. Baddalen, I'm not a man of empty threats. Do not put a juice box.

in front of a minute. Conor, do not leave this room. I got snacks for everyone. I don't want to. Do not leave Big T, hold on. It's not, come on, only a man. Why don't you, why don't you, just some people those are great snacks. You got snacks, guys. Snack time.

Hold on. You guys chocolate. You know what I did? I also got you fucking eggs. Perfect. Thank you so much. No, I've been so pro you going to get snacks. I'm so pro. Snack time. Imagine me. Imagine. I would love a capricie.

intimidated by eating a food because it's considered childish. And that's a fantastic flavor, too. Yeah. Yeah, it is. And you're going to, I don't want to have to do this. What a weird line and sand to drop. This is really strange. It'd be a real shame if somebody were to tell Dave Portnoy that you walked out on this podcast.

Ari, back to real quick, what you were saying about, um, there's a guy that went 11 days without sleeping. And did he, 11 days of it? Did he die at that point? No, he didn't die. He didn't die. know much about the case i just read about what he did it was in san diego i believe i i heard that was the let the health the longest healthy amount that someone stayed up yeah because i was going to say that's got to be the non-math division right yeah there was like a guinness there they stopped

recording the guise world records stopped recording this because they thought it was for fear that participants would suffer ill effects but i'm seeing a record of 18 days 21 hours and 40 minutes but you can be right i think that's like the met like Like the unassisted, I think, is 11 days, but, like, assisted is, like, you know, 449 hours. One of the most effective forms of torture, right? It's just like deprivation. Oh, well, you know what they used to do in Gitmo? They used to play, like, Eminem over and over again on, like, they used to, like, blast headphones and, like, make...

It's about the guards or... The prison, they would put headphones on the prisoners and, like, make them listen to, like, like, Eminem, like... Like, like, I think every time we touch by Cascada, like, Britney Spears just like over and over super loud. And, like, that was like, it's torture. Getting to listen to every time we touch over and over again sounds like a treat, honestly. Yeah. Well, I think I also like Barney is a dinosaur. I think they played over and over again.

That's sadistic, actually. Yeah. So I was watching this thing. Uh, your man's, uh, Jordan Peterson. Who's? Who's man's? whoever man's want to get claimed but I don't know fam

you just said your it's okay keep going it's a little projection there fan but you all know too man yeah this is like I say yeah your man's whatever anyway buddy was on Rogan

and he said that he drank apple cider vinegar and he didn't go to sleep for like 28 days or some shit like that or 25 and then that was big cap for sure and Rogan was like really

really oh yeah that's his Big cap. I think that's what everybody, and you go on the Joe Rogan show, you have to have, like, some story about how you've hacked into your body's central nervous system. And then he'll be like, oh, wow, that's crazy, man. But yeah, I think even Rogan was like, yeah, there's no chance to 28 days. You can't, your body just shuts down at that point, right? Like, you go into Oregon failure.

But he said 28 days? It was like 20 or 25. Yeah. Well, he was addicted to Benzos, which would make you fall asleep, though. Right. But he was, he couldn't sleep because. Because the Benz, he couldn't take Benzos. Oh, you would, Benzo withdraw.

You would die if you stayed up for 28 days. Yeah. Maybe he had, he might have had really shitty sleep during that time period. But yeah, you write Benzos and alcohol. Those are two things that you can straight up, you can die from withdrawals. It's actually kind of crazy. Like on daylight savings time, the day they take an hour, you have, there's a higher percentage of car accidents that day when you lose an hour of sleep.

So, I mean, there's, oh, also cardiovascular disease goes up as well. There's a bunch of like body health effects that when you lose our sleep that exponentially go up. I forget which ones they were, though. 30% of American adults sleep less than seven hours per night. I would put myself in that category to the point where if I get eight hours of sleep, I wake up and I feel like I'm a new person. Like it's a notable experience on how. rested, I feel, in a night like that. But yeah, eight hours, that's, I don't know many people

that sleep eight hours a night. I'll be honest. Especially where we work. Like, it just isn't really all that feasible. I remember a few years ago, Caleb dropped a fact that you can't catch up on sleep. Whatever has happened in the past has already, like the, the very idea that you can make up for it in the future just is not true. Like, you got to do, like, if you sleep 11 hours one day, after sleeping three hours the night before like that doesn't like there's it doesn't like balance it out like your body's already accounted for that three hours and it's already exerted the energy it needed to to make up for it so like yeah you might still be tired but you're not catching up on sleep i think the only way to catch up is like consistent yeah like a lifestyle change yeah and also i

i i always heard this but like you should always like if you have a game on saturday you should always get a really, really good night sleep Thursday night as opposed to that was always I was consistently I could never really sleep before games like I was consistently like up at two three in the morning just kind of like zoned out what about two days two nights before the game so not you couldn't sleep that anything I have no idea what I was doing two nights before by drinking what the longest sleep of all time is. They say that somebody has slept for 11 days. Wyatt Shaw from Kentucky fell asleep for 11 days in October of 2017.

He was just seven years old and doctors ran several tests with no conclusive explanations. He woke up with cognitive impairment walking and talking, but he made a full recovery. They're thinking he had like a little mini seizure. So I guess at some point, when does falling asleep become just being in a coma? Right. Because there was a, there was a, I remember there was this girl who went into a coma for 60 years or something, like 30 years. Sleeping beer. Yeah, but she like slipped on ice, hit her head and then her mom like took care of her for 30 years while she was in a coma.

What happens if you're in a coma like that? Are you still like, are you peeing? Are you dreaming? Yeah, it was bed pans and milk. Cather. Milk and honey. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Milk and honey. She was putting milk and honey. I just remember that. story. I don't even know. It does sound like sleeping beauty, yeah. And you're awakened by a sexual assault. What was the longest you guys have ever slept? Probably like 2 or 3 p.m. not long.

I can't sleep that well. I had one earlier this year. Or maybe it was last year. You remember that, Billy? Yeah. People thought I was dead. So I went to bed at, I don't know, around 10 o'clock. I didn't wake up until one o'clock in the afternoon the next day.

My alarms didn't go off. And I leaned over and I looked at my phone and I probably had like 20 text messages, missed calls, like instant anxiety being like, oh shit, what just happened? And so everybody in the office thought that there was a problem with me. They were worried and they were trying to like send people over to my apartment to see if I was okay. And the reality was I just, I guess I was really tired and I fell asleep and I woke up, Which is the, it's also the worst excuse and explanation that I can give because nobody, because nobody believes me.

Like it would make a lot more sense if I was like, yeah, you know what? I had a leftover painkiller from when I had tooth surgery. I took one of those and I guess I fell asleep for too long. No, the reality is like I just closed my eyes and I woke up and it was like way, way, way too late. And then the rest of my day, I felt like absolute shit because everyone was like, I had so much anxiety from everybody being like, oh, we thought. you were dead judging me. I felt way worse having slept for that long than if I just slept for four hours that night.

Well, that's the thing, though, right? That's actually a thing. It was, like, in this society, it's, like, really shunned if you oversleep or, like, just being on time in general, right? It's, like, really frowned upon if you're not. And so, like, that builds and adds on to the anxiety and adds on to the health problems.

I had a similar experience where in football, if you're late, it's like, you're the worst human on the earth, bro. Like, the whole team looks at you, crazy. Like, like, I remember one time, I think I said this on the podcast, but like in college, the coaches are like, if you're four minutes early, you're one minute's late, one minute late. And it's like this is a stupid concept right here. But we were playing, we was playing Oakland. And I had overslept. And I got a pound at this time. I was still, there was the

year I led the league in Russia, but it was, I was still like, you know, I wasn't getting paid that much. I'm getting some dudes pounding on my door. And my brother, and my brother, was actually staying with me at the time he goes and yo somebody's pounding at the door safe from the Texans and I'm like what and so I so open the door it's one of the guys like hurry up man you late and I was like look at the clock it's like nine meeting started at eight I was like oh shit and so um whole team looked you like the team look at you like you let the team down like everybody everybody's just like and then so they sat me that I had to sit for a whole half so I sat the entire half and then um I ended up for like one 30 though there you go

you're well rested for the second half right but it was like on a Thursday bro it was like a bullshit oh we remember the story about Jonas Gray you went for like what how many touchdowns

three or four right I think it was five yeah I think it was like against the Colts yeah and then then he was late the next like it was a Thursday night

I want to say he had four touchdowns and then he was just donezo he had four touchdowns. It was either a Sunday or a Monday night football game. I forget which one. But then later on that week, he overslept and Belichick just never trusted him after that. And it was it was an alarm clock. Eventually they cut him, but they first, they just took away his playing time. And he never got it back. And it was because his alarm clock was broken on one day. And then

I think it was not just his alarm clock. I think he tried to explain it, but for whatever reason through a detail that he gave, they thought that he was. lying about why he missed that practice or why he was late for that practice. And so they thought that he was lying to them about something. And then they just said, okay, we can't trust him. But in reality, it was an alarm clock. He had an alarm clock issue. It was probably the A.m.

Mix up. That's what happened with me. Happens. Happens all the time. Like, I love Bill Belichick, dog. Like, anytime I had interaction with him, cool, cool as shit. But like, that form of coaching is so fucking toxic and it's so arrogant. Like, it's like to pretend you don't have one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time.

And like, and then like the hype behind like the Patriot way, like was always fucking hilarious to me. But it's like as soon as Brady goes, so does the, so does all your good performances. It's not a coincidence, man. Like, there's no Patriot way, dog. Like, it's just, it was Tom Brady. That was the Patriot way. Coley just made, he gave you the stink eye, Gary. Brow, I was on team.

I was on a squad with cats who play for Bill Belichick. Like, it was the dumbest shit in the world. Like, full pads on a thing. Thursday week fucking 14 like just dumb like dude used to have like do because and the reason I know this is because I play for Bill O'Brien and he was like not quite the same no but it was like he was like he was underneath um oh I know so like he took a lot of his mannerisms a lot of things so like he used to do shit like what they do with the pages like Bill Belichick used to walk around and ask a player what a sign said on the door like because you have to be aware right it does

It has nothing to do with anything. But like, nothing to do with anything, man. What the, I think the difference between what Bill O'Brien was doing, what Belichick was doing, like, he didn't come in here in 2000 and start like that. Like, he built that up over the years once he was, like, proven like, oh, yeah, people should listen. Bill O'Brien and fucking, when Patricia went to Detroit, day one, we're like, no, we're going to do it how the Patriots were doing it 10 years in the Belichick's career. And those guys were like, why would we ever listen? What I saw. O'Brien was even doing too much with, like, the only time Tom Brady was ever really

blown up at a coach was always Bill O'Brien for yelling at him. Like, Bill O'Brien definitely thought he was better than Belichick. I agree, like, yeah, he took it there after a certain amount of time. But it's like, yo, the reason why you had the opportunity to take it there is because you were winning. And the only reason why you were winning is because you had great players. Michael Jordan said this shit in his Hall of Fame speech, though. it's like coaches and every good coach will tell you this dog players put coaches in the hall

of fame period absolutely like you can have a great coach dog but if you don't have the players to execute and i'm it's it bibles my mind that that nobody's figured this shit out yet but like it boggles my mind that that coaches don't adjust their systems to the players that they have what they do is they want to mold the players into what they want them to be and it's the dumbest shit in the world. And so what you do is you have a whole bunch of systems. I'm talking about the NFL specifically. You have a whole bunch of systems that are like branches off of like coaches that they that they study underneath. And you end up trying to create these little many things that you had in the past, but you don't have those things anymore. Like one of the things I used to hate

about my career the most was like they wanted to make me into Terrell Davis. Right. Yeah. And like the one cut zone runner is like yeah, I could do that. But like out like my skills. said was way better than what I, what I was allowed to do. And we're getting way off the fucking topic here. But, yeah, what's the coach is in Hall of Fame, like the one thing about Belichick and the Patriot way that I think is a misconception. He very much does treat players like individuals. Like, it's kind of tries to melt.

I mean, he's got, like, in Randy Moss here. He didn't have Randy Moss doing shit other players we're doing. That's Randy Moss, though. But for sure. But it's not like, like when he had, when Kyle Van Nuoy was in Detroit, he was terrible. No good. When he was with the Dolphins last year, they didn't want him. They cut him.

When he's with the Patriots, Belichick's like, you do this very well. I can utilize it. We're going to play to your strengths. We're not going to have you doing these things. All these other teams are doing. So he's done. And like, Cam Newton's been the same person, like character, like off the field, manner is he was in Carolina as he was with the Patriots.

That's where it's like, yeah, I think he has these constructs, these team building contracts. And he's like, this is the overarching umbrella. But you're going to do you underneath that umbrella. Yeah, but that umbrella is toxic as fuck. Some of it definitely is. I think that's football, like you said, I think that's just football. 100%.

But he takes it to the extreme because he has those accolades and he's won. It's like, this is how we do. And it's like, it's how it's done. And it's like, it's not how it done, bro. It's just you won with Tom Brady, fan. I mean, he won, like, he had Lawrence Taylor. And he, like, Lawrence Taylor would not listen in meetings. And he was just like, what am I going to do?

What are you going to do? Yeah. Imagine trying to coach Lawrence Taylor. Right. Like you think you can tell. Lawrence Taylor to do anything better than he's already doing with any part of his body. Right. That's where it's just like you have to recognize.

And like I do think Brady does need to be pushed. Like I don't think he just like showed up and was like, oh, I can do everything. Billy, you look like you had something burning that you want to say about the Patriot Way. Oh, no. I was going to ask you guys about sleep hygiene and whether you guys do anything specific before going to bet and like sleep hygiene. Good question, Billy. I have a lot of theoretical sleep hygienes that I would like to do, but I just never end up doing it because I get junkie sleep. So I've always heard like if I did this for a week and it really helped my life, but I don't do it anymore. You plug your phone in in a different

room from where you fall asleep and then you use an alarm that's set up like on your bedside table or whatever. But if you get the screen away from you in a different room, it's like, okay, the bedroom is for sleeping and it's a way of like getting your body prepared for it to go on there and it shuts down more easily than if you have other tasks that you can do while you're asleep distracting you. So I try to do that. I don't do it as much anymore. And then I occasionally would listen to like a sleep podcast or like a sleep meditation podcast, which takes about, but then the thing is I realized that every single sleep podcast or sleep meditation is the exact same thing, just like in a slightly different format where you're at the top of a staircase

and you're walking down and now you're at the fifth level. And now the walls are much nicer color blue. Now you're at the fourth level. And then they're talking more quietly. And then it's just a countdown. Sometimes you're on stairs. Sometimes you're on an escalator. Sometimes you're in a hallway. But they just essentially count you down. So then I would just be like thinking about the actual story that they're telling me and trying to predict what's going to happen next as opposed to sleeper. So it backfired. I, uh, probably four times out of the week, uh, I turn on Avatar and I fall to

sleep to Avatar. That's my favorite thing about Arian, by the way, that we've learned over the course this podcast is he's fucking obsessed with the movie Avatar. Oh, I love that. Without a doubt. Do you like it or is it just something on that's like comforting for you? It's very average acting, right? The storyline is the typical white savior complex or the white guy come and save the culture, right?

But there's something about that planet that I feel is, is like connecting to me in a way I can't explain. So it's like the reason why I love it so much is that culture is they're inundated with nothing but preserving themselves and preserving the land around them. And I love that idea. And obviously the bioluminescent forest and all that shit, right? It's amazing. And the graphics are pretty great. Actually, they're pretty good for 2009, right? And so the movie itself, it's kind of like Black Panther, right?

They didn't age well, like the actual acting and like the movie and the plot. Yeah, it's really average. But like everything that was put into it, fucking fabulous, man. And just for anybody that's wondering, yes, they're making an avatar two. And they're actually scheduled to make an avatar three. COVID put it behind. They are making an avatar too. God damn it's coming out next year.

That's what they say. And I believe James Cameron is going to get this done, baby. Let's do it. I've been saying that for a decade now. Quick question. Can you name three of the characters from the movie, like their names? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

For sure. You got Jake Sully, the lead character. You've got, you got Natiri, who he falls in love with. and then you have um oh that's actually i forget now that i'm thinking about it i'm struggling with the third one jakes natiri and then just any yeah i'm struggling uh oh oh man that's talking with me because that's always trended like avatar was the highest grossing movie of blah blah blah but no one can name three characters yeah jake sully natiri and then i can see the doctor i too con

Aitakan, Ait Khan, Ait Khan, yeah. Have you been to the Avatar land at Disney World? No, and I got a shorty, she's like, uh, yeah, she says like, yo, you love the movie so much. Like, you need to go to and I like, I want to now. Would you do the, the tentacle ponytail thing? Like with, with, with who? With anything. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely. I wonder if that's, I think that's how they have sex, right? Is it put the tentacles together? I don't, they but they also do that with their horses.

I would fuck a horse I would I would fuck a pandoran horse for sure if that's how you do it I think there's also like other connections but I think that's just

like symbolic of their like connections to nature and stuff around them yeah and the ikron yeah they call it

they call it the bond the flying one yeah they only the horse you can hop on on any horse and bond with it

and tell it what to do but the ikron see that's special right see the the equon only bonds with one flyer per life's What do you think of the forcible bonding with the E-Kron?

Well, they don't, they don't. They choose you. They choose the flyer. So like, so when you go to, it's very consensual. So when you go to the E-Cron nest, right, there's all these E-Cron and they're chilling. They choose you. And how they choose you is they try to kill you. And once you bond with it, you guys are fucking friends for life.

It's like much better than a fucking dog. you actually kidnapped those fuckers one of the rides they have at disney world is like you doing that like bonding with the e-cron or whatever and then you ride it and it's incredible you would love it i would absolutely love that so talking about connections and otherworldly you know gilly segue segue doing a little segue i want to talk about dreams so i did a ton of research on dreams and preparation for this episode and i just want to wanted to like, you know, maybe go around the room and talk about, does anyone have any reoccurring dreams?

Yes. Oh, yeah. The one that I get most frequently is teeth falling out. I have like a loose tooth and I've looked it up and it can mean that there's something that either you had said that you wish you hadn't said or something that you wanted to say that you didn't say. And so I've had that like maybe once a month since I was, I don't know, 15 years old, 16 years old are yours falling out or are you taking them out uh they're they're falling out but i can

like feel them in my mouth like when i close my mouth i can feel one that's loose and sometimes i'll like knock it out with with my own tooth yeah mine i'm usually like just pulling it out yeah it's weird isn't it have you have you looked that up uh not really because it's they dreams freaked me out and uh we talked about a little bit earlier i am like a super lucid dreamer uh And I'm a big sleep with the TV on guys. So, like, there are times where what's happening on TV will meld with my dream. And, like, if I fell asleep to, like, a West Coast ESPN game and I wake up and one of those talking head shows are on, I'm just dreaming I'm having this conversation. But since they're in the real world and I'm dreaming, they obviously don't know.

I'm also trying to get my takes off too. And it just becomes very frustrating when I go to make a point. and then someone else starts talking and I'm that I wake up so angry like why why aren't you guys letting me talk so you've dreamed that it's just you and Will Kane just going at it

whoever once been Will King it's on it I'm thinking of like skipping Stephen A for sure because I used to be like I don't I'll now use like a timer or it'll be like Netflix which will stop playing after three episodes and shut off my TV but back when it was like cable

and ESPN, yeah, it was always me waking up to a debate about like Kevin Love or something where I wasn't able to get my takes off. But the reoccurring dream I've been having the most recently, like the past like a couple years, is I'm always far away from home, either on a plane, trying to board a plane in an airport. It's always like the other side of the planet. So China, Japan, just like a place I'm not comfortable, surrounded by people. I know, but it's like we're always trying to get home, trying to, like, just the idea of

being so far away from home, not being able to get back is something that like cripples me. Hmm. What about you, Big T? I don't know. I don't dream very often, like very rarely, but I will say something that I've, I've had happen in a dream several times is I am trying to get away from someone or something and I just can't move like yeah I've had that one like if like I'm trying to run and I just can't which I I'm not a fast runner to begin with but this is exceptionally so and I know I yeah that's that's one of my frustrating dreams as well as like I am a pretty fast person usually and I can't get away from people in dreams sometimes that's that's that's pretty annoying yeah I'm with you beat yeah yeah that's got to be really frustrating for you yeah it's

very very fresh I know I can do this right pretty annoying but like do any of you guys lose a dream sometimes i i find it happens more often if i'm like falling asleep to uh have you ever like falling asleep well you have ESPN plus on after a game and it goes it's just like 15 seconds of like crowd cheering and then it fades out and then it's 15 seconds again of that same crowd cheering and it fades out like repeated over the course of hours and hours it'll fuck you up if you just hear the same or it could be like a a DVR home screen yeah DVD home screen sometimes it just stays on that'll mess me up sometimes so lucid dreaming and I think we should there's probably a lot

of listeners don't actually know what lucid dreaming is but it's the idea of becoming when you're in a dream becoming conscious conscious that you're in a dream and then being able to take control of the dream and do whatever you want now uh basically I would sort of compare this to playing GTA and basically being able to, you know, run around, drive cars and sort of do whatever you want in the real world, but just having- Like Neo and the Matrix. Yeah. But anyway, this was the term lucid dream was coined by a Dutch author and psychiatrist Frederick von Eden in his 1913 article, a study of dreams. So he, you know, had a whole big dream journaling.

He started this whole thing about, you know, waking up and right after, waking up, writing down your dreams because he discovered that after five minutes of waking up, you usually forget your dreams. And he created names for seven different types of dreams he experienced based on his data. One of them was initial dream, which is sort of like when you're falling asleep and you start to have some sort of, he described it as sort of hallucinations while falling asleep. The second one is a pathological dream, which is sort of like fever dreams or, you know, having to do with some sort of sickness or poison, he said. Ordinary dreaming, which is just, you know, classic dreams, like the usual well-known type to which a large majority of dreams can form. Probably it is the only kind that occurs to many people. It's not particularly pleasant or unpleasant, though. It may vary according to its contents.

then vivid dreaming this differs from ordinary dreaming because there was it's very vivid and you remember it very well it's there's probably some sort of emotion attached to it that really impacts your brain and like fear nightmares nightmares falls under vivid dreaming uh symbolic or mocking dreaming uh which is basically uh the impressions being invented or arranged by intelligent beings of very low moral order so those sort of fall into um like uh he calls it demoniacal dreaming which basically is the lucid dreams where people just sort of go do what their heart desires and sort of does like you know like like like sex dream you know like uh flying dreams adventure dreams all those sort of things which is sort of when people lucid dream they tend to record them doing stuff that isn't usually societely acceptable if you you know like they like when you get control of lucid dream people like try to fly they try to bend the laws of physics and sort of also do other stuff say what you want to say well they have sex dreams we'll leave it basically so that's a little weird actually

If you really think about it, like, yeah. Because like sex is consensual, so you have to, you have to, you have to concoct a consensual, a woman who consensitously agrees to have sex with you. That's wild. Well, you're also like, you kind of just wake up, at least for me, you wake up in a scenario that's already been laid out by your brain. Like you, you just kind of get put into a world. It's not like you're you and you're just in this like blank voice. and then you build the world around you, you just all, I always just find myself in the middle of some,

like a normal dream scenario. And then it's just like my consciousness turns on and I just kind of take it from there. So my buddy, we talked about this a while, my buddy, he loses dreams. Because I don't, I don't have any control of what's going on. I'm kind of just a witness. And he was, he describes it as like, you're just kind of,

he's like, you dream and then you recognize it's a dream. You're like, oh, okay, I'm going to go here. And he kind of just like, you know, Moses's way through the dream, which is wild to me because like, I would try, if I know I'm dreaming and I'm like, okay, I'm in a dream, I would try to do wild shit. Like, I don't know if I would try to have sex, but I would probably like try to fly and shit like that. Yeah, it's, it's never been like, oh, time to turn off my morality too.

In a weird way, like you almost try to not get caught like as strange as like, it feels like if you get caught, you wake up. And I just know I want to keep, like, not even really that much invested in the dream. Sometimes, of course, it's like you're in a wild situation, so you want to see how it plays out knowing it is just a dream. But you mostly like, all right, I know it's almost like your brain is the eye of sauron that you're trying to avoid. And it's like, all right, if my brain sees me and knows I'm in here, it's going to wake up my butt. I don't want that. I just want to keep cruising around in this world until

reality jars me from this situation. So how often does that happen to you? A couple times a week. Really? Yeah. Like, I've never, that feels so foreign to me. Yeah, I mean, it sounds like dreaming in general. It was pretty, like, when you say you don't dream, that makes no sense.

Like, I, it feels like it goes one in one with sleep in my brain. Maybe once every three or three. four months I'll have a dream like it's very rare are you sure you don't have dreams but then you forget them when you wake up yeah no because when I do have a dream I generally don't really remember what it's in I guess that's possible but like I don't I don't really dream you know what I've noticed bro is um it goes in spurts like I'll I'll have a stint where I don't dream a lot I noticed when when I'm eating healthier and exercise and doing what I'm having to do I remember like I dream all the time but like when I start to eat like shit and drink a lot

Like, my dreams kind of go away. I don't know if that is any kind of correlation, but, like, that's what I've noticed throughout my life. I don't know anybody else's... I mean, I'm sure, like, your environment and what you do to your body has to play into it. Right. Because, like, another thing,

and I'm sure Billy has this in his notes, but, like, you can't dream of a face you've never seen. Your brain can't come up with a face. It can't just make up a face. So every... Even people who seem like strangers, you've seen them on a bus. You specifically have seen them in a stadium

as a fan somewhere. Like every face you see in a dream, which is why you see you dream about so many people you know because it's what your brain does. Your brain can't create a face. Why couldn't it, though? I mean, there's artists that draw faces

that I'm like, why couldn't my brain? There are, but I think you're just based like, even if it's not, it's like a composite of multiple face. Like you've seen noses, you've seen eyes. So even if you're trying to draw, a new face or like a cartoon character it is based off something you've seen somewhere like try to think of a totally unique person in your brain right now yeah like just make a like make a face

in your brain i mean i did it you you did it can't prove can't prove to me that i'm back in my head no but honestly so there's a bunch of people who are like really into lucid dreaming online and there's whole like forums and communities where like basically they like to do you know crazy stuff in their dreams and the treat it almost is like tripping and like a drug almost like is they really like the experience

of being able to control their dreams. It would be fun as like, you see an inception? Yeah. It's Loki like inception. Like you kind of build a world like that to me that's intriguing. And Loki like I'm not spiritual or religious

by any sort of imagination. But what I do think is that like that our consciousness is so foreign um we just don't know anything about it and i have this like feeling right that i that that dreaming and dying are pretty similar like uh you are here hear people talking about like with DMT yeah like that chemical that recently releases in your brain before you die like it's just like a dream like state and so um we still don't understand what consciousness isn't so like it's my i don't say belief but it's like i have like a hunch that that's has like something to do with it like you kind of go into this ethereal plane like i don't like i

say i wouldn't i don't think this is a factor they but just it's something that would feel right to me it's logical because i've had similar thoughts because i like i've experimented a lot with a lot of substances i specifically won't do DMT because it's the chemical your brain releases when you feel like a very easy thing for your brain to be like, well, this is it. Is it, no? I was going to say, though, the way y'all talk about dreaming, it sounds like similar to doing drugs. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, I mean, it is low key. Like, you, the experiences, I think one of the craziest parts about dreaming to me is and the correlation with the drug usage of like a DMT or an ayahuasca is the concept the time kind of erodes. Like there is no, like time, like time, the way we view time is very linear here. I can't say here like I've been anywhere else. Because like, and this is why like, like, it stems from like just my study of physics. In general, it's kind of like the same, right?

Because like time is directly correlated. How you experience time is directly correlated with how you move through time and how you move through space. And so like not everybody experiences the same time, especially when you're talking about universally, right? And so like when I dream what I noticed like so one time I had this dream where I was I was a soldier and it was on a field and there was like this alarm going off, right? But that was at the beginning of the dream and I had a whole sequence of events happened after that and I woke up to my alarm clock. Right. And that shit blew my mind because like like that was at the beginning of my dream and I had a fucking lifetime of memories of that dream after that alarm went off.

And so it's like the concept of time just went away. Like, and it wasn't linear. It was at the beginning of it. It was really weird. You have thousands of thousands of dreams all while you're sleeping. And there's the science of like sleep where it's like there's REM sleep, which is basically your eyes are moving under your eyelids. Rapid eye.

Yeah. There's deep sleep and then there's lighter sleep. But you dream throughout all portions of sleeping. How long does a, how long does a traditional dream last? actual time. I think a traditional dream. I think it's like 15 seconds. A good old American.

Good old American European dreams. I think like an average, I guess average is a better word. I think an average dream lasts 15 real world seconds. But like you, to your point, it feels like you're in there for months. Yeah. Yeah. So a prop. The length of a dream may vary.

They last a few seconds to 20 to 30 minutes. Okay. So what, what constitutes? Like, what constitutes the differentiation between dream to dream, right? I would say setting. Like, like a different theme? Because, yes. That's interesting.

I don't know. Like a different show. Yeah, why would they compartmentalize it like that? Because I don't know. I haven't actually looked. I'm sure it's more like, like mood. It's probably the waking because you like if so, I have, I use a whoop to track my sleep and exercise and everything.

And you can see. like what is a what is a what is a whoop band it's an exercise band it's just oh you listen to what a rogan you know what a woof band is i was like damn i don't listen to rogan like that there's like portions where you're like going into deeper sleep than coming out going in i imagine when i'm coming out it's probably more of a wakefulness and not dreaming but um one thing about dreams and this is what really sort of interested in me um one there's oh quickly getting back to lucid dreaming the way people try to lose a dream is that you can't read time or read like any sort of writing in a dream traditionally they say like so if you like look at a clock in a dream you can't really do that you won't find clocks or like you can't look at your phone and read because that's just something that doesn't happen like you can't read a book in a dream so that's an indicator you're in a dream and to start you know being con of being in the dream and start lucid dreaming.

Another thing that people do is they put an X or some sort of marking on their hand while they're awake and just like every now and then, like when you're bored, just like check to make sure the X is still there and that you're awake and this is in a dream. So like just checking like, oh, am I dreaming? And then that sort of, if you make that a habit, then when you start sleeping, you start doing it and then you're like, oh, I'm in a dream now. oh so they're they're trying to prep you yeah into lucid dreaming yeah there's a whole

you need a totem yeah total yeah that's also yeah there's a whole community of people who like to lucid dream and sort of like uh you know it's it's their recreational activity i mean i guess that makes sleep more fun if you like for sure if you're like going to lucid dream tonight like going to the club have y'all ever had um Sleep paralysis? Oh, yeah. Bruh. So the first time I had it, I thought I was dying.

I thought I was dead, actually. And so what's really dope is like, so like the hallucination part of the dreaming didn't shut off. And so when I opened my eyes, I was looking at the wall and like I could see like mad like patterns and visions and people and animals like wild shit. and I'm looking at the roof and I can't move and I don't know what's going on and then this is even weirder shit like it's very auditory as well

and so like I'm hearing like a playground like children's laughter at a playground so it was eerie as fuck couldn't move looking at all these weird visions on the roof and I didn't know what it was and the more I fought it

the more I went into paralysis and so now I don't have it as much now because it doesn't scare me. But like the first like year or two, I didn't know what it was. I was like fighting it, trying to move, try to move. And that's the easiest way for people out there who are still scared of this. Because it is a scary thing if you don't know what's going on. But it's when you wake up in your body is, I think it's your frontal lobe is still asleep or something like that. I don't know. Well, some part of your brain is still asleep. But your body, I mean, your body's still asleep, but your brain is your conscious. And the way I've, I've

beat it is. I just give in. Like, you just, you just give in. Don't try to fight it. Give in and you'll slowly gain. Or you can have somebody, if you sleep with anybody, like, if any kind of like big movement will wake you up, it'll wake your body up. So you can have them, like, if you, you can squeeze your hand a little bit and let them know you're going through it. Okay. The first time I had sleep paralysis, I was like nine, so I didn't even know it was a thing. And I used to have a, I lived on the second floor and I had a door in my bedroom. Um, that it was just like stairs that went out into the yard. But there was like a spotlight out there.

And I was frozen and I saw like a shadowy figure out there. So I thought I was being abducted. And so that was fucking. And with the paralysis too, like you can't yell or speak. And that still happens to me like when I get paralysis. Like I'm trying to yell help. But I can't like open my mouth or make any noise. So it's, it truly is like a hard.

It happened to me a week and a half ago. I had sleep paralysis. Terrify. Yeah, I was having a nightmare. I'd never had like sleep paralysis where it was like a fun dream. It's always a nightmare. And I was having this nightmare. I was like in the woods being surrounded by all these like dog wolf kind of creatures.

Like they were really big. And I was being surrounded by them and I was sleeping on my side. And I recognized I was dreaming, which helped. but I knew I couldn't like if I want to wake myself out of a lucid dream I can but in this case since I was also having sleep paralysis like I couldn't move and I finally like I always end up like snap I'm gonna like break my neck one these days because I like snap truly snap out of it I scared the shit out of my life I had yeah no go ahead go ahead go I had sleep paralysis once, and I mixed melatonin and CBD, which probably had nothing to do with it, but it was after the 24-hour grit stream.

We stayed up for 24 hours doing stupid stuff. Anyway, I tried to go to sleep that night, so I took CBD and melatonin after being up for an insane amount of hours. And I woke up in the middle of the night, and I kept thinking someone was coming through my door, but I couldn't wake up. up and literally it was one of those scariest things. I kept thinking someone was coming in and there was this, there was this coat rack next to my door that sort of looked a lot like a person, but it had a hat on top, so it looked bald. So I literally was like, there's a bald dude, like Joe Rokin's coming into it. It was made coming to get you. So I actually had a tweet, and I'll retweet it for the episode tomorrow.

If you mix CBD and melatonin before bedtime, you'll be visited by a sleep paralysis demon that is Joe Rogan putting you in jujitsu holds. You can try to scream, but you can't. Yeah, I just remember that vividly. The more I think about it, though, it's probably like, because I was talking to, I think Charlotte, Maine was on a podcast one time. And we was talking about how he had sleep paralysis. And in the South, it's like an old fable where, like, there's a witch that comes at night and sits on your chest so that you can't move. And so, like, more I think about it, like, that's probably, like, where the fable of, like, ghosts come from. Because, like, you wake up at night and your hallucination factory is still operating, or whatever the fuck it's called.

And, like, so you can see shit at night. Like, I've definitely seen shadows in my room when I had sleep paralysis. And this can happen without sleep paralysis. So like the notion of ghosts in general, when comes from sleeping, can easily be traced to these instances. That's insane. I feel like the entire concept of ghosts, I don't know why anyone's afraid of them, even if they do exist. They're ghosts. They can't touch you.

They're literally ghosts. Like, yeah, they may pop out and scare you. But it's the same thing with vampires. Vampires, the fact that people are afraid of vampires close my mind. I just get to be 22 and live forever and I can sleep during the day. Like, that sounds sick. But you got to feed, though. That's fine.

Well, they got to feed on humans. Yeah. I'm no longer a human. That's not a problem for me. So that's why people are scared of vampires. They don't want to be. Actually, I'm sad. Yeah, come, come bite me.

Yeah. Yeah, I'll be a right. You all want to live forever? That sounds terrible, honest. I've thought about this. That's a good philosophical question, man. I don't know that I've done anything else, so I don't know how I would want to do anything else.

You know what I mean? Like, this is the only life I can recall. So I enjoy it. It's like I don't want to live, right? I get the concept of the concept of like the beauty of life is because things die, right? But if things are still dying around me, that means I can still appreciate it. It's still beautiful. Did you watch the show The Good Place, Arian?

Uh-uh. So I don't want to give away the end of the show, but there's a, it's a very philosophical. I think you would like the show. I think you'd like the premise of the show. The show itself, I don't know if you'd like, but the premise I think you would enjoy it. But, but so you've seen the whole thing, Coley? I haven't seen the last season, but I know like the kid. I don't want to give away the end of the show, but the end of that show is something along those lines.

It's a very interesting theoretical concept, I guess. something uh in dreams that i myself find very interesting is that uh your brain creates totally like uh for example sometimes figures and characters approach to you in dreams and like make up stuff that you don't even know about so for example uh some people who lucid dream and dream. They talk about sleep, dream characters and not necessarily reoccurring characters in dreams, but people they interact with in dreams. And they ask them questions, uh, that and give them answers that they have no idea how something that comes from their brain is able to generate something that they don't even know about. So for example, they'll ask, like, let's say you're in a dream,

and you're talking to someone and you ask them what's five times let's you know a hundred times 63 and the person responds faster than you yourself is able to respond to the question so it's kind of complicated but no it makes sense I guess what wouldn't make sense is how to fact check the response and then how to uh comprehend how much time it takes for that person to answer because time in a dream is fucking hard to, hard to calculate in general. I think the totem is the best way. Well, there's, there's been two things I've learned in dreams. And like the way you're talking about a billy kind of I might be able to lay it out.

Like I learned how to roll my hours in Spanish via dream and I learned how to dunk via what? You learned how you don't get a dream? I took Spanish in high school and I sounded like the whitest person ever because I couldn't roll my eyes and in my dream I was rolling my art so it was something where my brain was like it had been around it in the real world enough

to have heard it to know what it was and I have a tongue and I can speak language so it was almost like hear these things and with dunking I grew up and I always was a one footed jumper and I was not getting very high but I'd watched tens of thousands of hours of basketball and finally my brain pieced together jump off two feet

and the way to go about it the next day I went out jumped off two feet and dumped for the first time so it was something I had watched thousands of times had not tried practically but had been around enough to the point where I could piece it together in my own brain and visualize myself doing it so in one intriguing study from 1989 that illustrates the extent of this phenomenon of your dreams creating and finding information that you may have not had before. Paul Thuley, a German dream research and gestalt psychologist, had nine proficient lucid dreamers, asked people in their dreams to perform specific tasks such as writing or drawing something, coming up with a rhyming verse or word

unknown to the dreamer or solving simple mathematical problems. Not only were they several dream figures willing to give such tacit try but some were surprisingly good at them so i i don't know like this sort of made sense to me because sometimes my dream or when i'm starting to dream there's a same sort of cast of characters around like basically sometimes like a female voice that's an older woman that you're having a conversation with or it's like an older man i know this sounds pretty schizophrenic frank but like basically like you know usually in your dreams there's several like role players that like are just there yeah cast the characters in your brain anyway recasting the same it's just there's the same actors in your brain they're just

Billy's Judd Apatow he only works with the same guys over and over yeah in my brain but but a lot of lucid dreamers have this um and they basically just like interview these people their brain in the lucid dreams like yo dude like like tell me a word i've never heard before and the dream one of the uh dream characters said or log and this word was like what the hell is orlogue mean and then they googled the word as soon as they woke up and like looked it up and orlogs like a dutch like uh it's like a used to show a quarrel or war in like dutch but it's like also used in english it's like one of those words So it was a new word that the person would have never known before.

Well, maybe he recalled, right? Because, like, there's this, there's this condition that's very, very super rare. But, like, some people can't forget anything, right? And, like, you can't forget anything. And so, like, there's this lady who's like, like, you could ask her, like, what were you doing on August 15, 1988? And she'll tell you exactly, she'll tell you the weather, what everybody's, She ran it. Like every single thing about it.

So it's like the shit that we run across, we forget the majority of it. But some people, like, it's still in your brain. Like, like, right? Yeah. Like, you just, you just can't recall it. And so, like, maybe that's probably an explanation for it. It's like, and that's what's dope about lucid dreaming. Like, when you really think about it, it's like, you're just really wondering around inside

of your own brain. Yeah. So these lucid dreamers found a backdoor access to the recently deleted files. Yeah. Yeah, that's actually kind of fired. Yeah. You know, another aspect of dreaming that's dope is, and why to me the brain is so powerful and I've mentioned it before, but it's like, yo, wet dreams.

Like they call them like nocturnal emissions clinically, but like, it's fast, like it's funny, but it's like fascinating how you can, like, one of the most pleasurable human experiences is sex and you can recreate that unconscious. That's what's fucking insane, dog. like yeah i've never i've never actually had one though i thought never never had one i it feels like something that has to happen to priests a lot right probably i think we're just depending on the priest yeah like hope like hopefully i hope it happens to that a lot i think we're just jerking off enough right exactly for sure i get it in by the way morning by the way morning would

is not caused by sexual thoughts or sexual dreams it's a natural process that happens once like five times a night to healthy males which is interesting so it's like not everyone's just horny as hell it's just like the body doing what the body does i know it's not correct but i still think it's because i have to pee that's well that's valid how but that inhibits like it's harder to pee when you're erect oh i understand it's a morning it's a it's a problem every morning um But it's like, I'm just like, I am solid as a rock because my dick is just overflowing with urine right now. That's how my brain works.

But don't the tubes switch? Of course. Yeah. No, they are not correlated. I'm just saying in my brain, I know when I wake up with morning wood, I have to pee as bad as I have to pee throughout the course of the day. Oh, so maybe it's your body's way of stopping you from peeing. Maybe. Yeah.

My muscles are just like, nope, it's not happening. For fail safe. Yeah. Yeah. So the other thing I wanted to talk or just at least bring up is like, so the reason is to like why we sleep, like nobody really knows, but what I've always thought about is like, so if you believe in evolution, which it happened and you fucking should. So if you believe in evolution, like we evolved in concordance to the environment around us, right? So if you

think about other planets, like, and other organisms that could possibly be living out there, that means, like, either they don't sleep or their sleep schedule is entirely different from what's because if you, like, I think Saturn or Jupiter, like, their day is like 130 hours or some shit like that. I don't know. Like, that's one day, right? Like, Uranus is like nine hours, 10 hours, something like that. So it's like, like how we sleep is, is directly correlated to the place that we live, which is wild thinking about all that. the organisms out in the universe and how and if they sleep so you're saying you're saying sleep is like an evolutionary tactic basically not necessarily a tactic but

it's it's it's a byproduct like we sleep in concordance to the sun rising and the sun falling the majority of the time and there are nocturnal animals but for us like the sun is a we're supposed to be awake thing so I sort of have this theory that sleep is left over from animals that were like the first forms of life that used photosynthesis so like because they could only get energy from the sun when the sun was out

they were more active and did more stuff and then when the sun went down and they had no sun to fuel them that's when they sort of like went into a state of energy preservation but then that's a fire fucking day that's in like it's sort of like one of those things like our tailbone that's just evolutionary left over and like then when amphibians happened and we cellular respiration happened where we

started eating other things then we sort of just kept going with it because we figured out this I don't know so this energy system that cells do that relies on yeah I'm a fan of that fucking take, though. Like, there's some shit that that blew my mind along those lines is, um, uh, the way we see, like what, what we see of the electromagnetic spectrum is, is directly correlated with the, the sunlight that came in the water for those early organisms. And so like, and so like, because like there's all kinds of shit in the electro-magnetic extraction.

We can't see like CO2. We can't see that shit. We can't see x-rays. We can't see gamma rays. We can't see all that shit. But what we can see just happens to be that the part of the spectrum that is broken in the water where we developed. It's really, really amazing with the eye, how the eye originally evolved. But that shit is a fire fucking take, Billy.

I want to look that up, actually. Yeah, because everything we know about sleep, we've learned in the past 30 years. It's like one of those things that it's like the oceans, you know, it's like the stuff that like we think we know. a lot about we don't really know anything about so the brain in general yeah the brain in general is just like a huge fucking mystery yeah i mean and also there's there's a lot of uh thoughts about premonition dreams so people dreaming about uh the future premonition premonition sorry um are you good to fuck up a word every episode i can come out with some like photosynthesis shit but you but you be saying but you

saying shit like that's smart and so like I'm like am I fucking up or is he fucking but go ahead but your premonition nocturnal omissions so like Abraham Lincoln dreamt of his assassination many victims of 9-11 had dreams warning them about the catastrophe there was 19 verified pre-cognitive dreams about the Titanic sinking so there's this idea that that like people are able to tell the future from dreams and like getting back to what pft said in the very beginning of the episode that dreams are a connection to like aliens in some sort of other world like they're like you know that does support the idea that like you can predict the future in your dreams do you guys have well oh go ahead no go ahead go ahead go ahead go ahead my

i was just going to ask um this is something like my mom has happened a lot to her um like that you talk to like deceased relatives or like people that have died in your dreams like do they come back because my mom like swears by she'll see people that have like died in our family in her dreams and they'll like tell her things and like give her messages and she thinks and also like I grew up Catholic and she's Catholic and so she thinks that's kind of like

to connect like not to put words in her mouth sorry mom but like almost like a gateway between like the real world in heaven. So that's a common, like, trend across, like, multiple cultures, this idea of, like, ancestors, how many people in dreams? I've had it happen to me, but, like, she has it, like, all the time, like, and they'll tell her things. Like, maybe the cast of characters that, like, you know, do the dreams, they're all just,

like, dead relatives. That actually makes sense. I just, I was, I was the reason why, like, I don't give that much. credence. Well, I mean, there's no, I don't, I can't say if it's true or not, but like, I hope it's not true, right? Because like, if you're, I can just think about being a dead relative and like you're doing dead people shit and all of a sudden like you have to come back and talk to people that are alive. Like, I just, I probably have better shit to do. Like, it's maybe. But maybe it's the only like, you know, you're up there. You're like chilling and then you're like, oh no, got to go help

guide my great, great grandson who's being a fuckhead. Like that's what I'm saying it seems like a responsibility. It's like it's like her parents. It'll be like my grandparents that are talking to her. So it's like you feel like they don't I mean they'll like want to talk to her. I feel like there is a like you want to do it at that point. I feel like there's a sense of effort that goes into coming into someone's dream. Yeah. We don't know. What is that effort? Is it like. It's like like okay if you're if you're dead let's say and you want to come back into like, like Aryan let's say like you in. 50 years when you die and you come back into your I mean I feel like that's pretty good like 54 84 is a good life yeah 84 is a good life yeah like you come back and like want you like want to talk to your kids and so then like that's the way that you talk to them like it's almost kind of like not ghosts but like spirits but that's what I'm saying is like why would why would they not like divulge information that's like pertinent like yo this is what happens when you die or like you know what I'm saying like this is like on the other side this like it's always I don't

want to know what's going obviously you probably know what's going on right especially if I'm watching them like like like you're saying like if you wanted if it were up to if it were up to you and you wanted to come back and like getting your kids dreams like you'd be like this is this is what the other side is like you'd give them like yeah oh you'd like you'd feel maybe you're not allowed to and that would be whacked too because who's overseeing those conversations like it's like it's like when you're in prison and it's like the plastic glass and you're on the phone

and it's like your two hands are touching and you're just like the oversee it doesn't like when we devolge what happens here or it's like fuck it or it's like if we're looking at it from a more like practical sense it's like it could be or not practical but I don't know it could be of like a sense of grieving it could be a sense of like I know

I see my father a lot in my dreams he's been dead for four years now right the way i view it is it's like it's probably your subconscious uh taking on the form of someone you either very much trusted or respected in the course of your life so it doesn't really matter if they're dead or alive so they get added to the cast yeah it's it well it's just like who do who do you trust who's someone you respect who someone you listen to a lot and if it's something you either necessarily know you should do or something you haven't been allowing yourself to admit, whether it's something in your life, something in your, especially family, and like your subconscious takes on the form of a

respected figure in your life to deliver the news you already know, but haven't either admitted to yourself yet or haven't put that series of words in that own way to give yourself that kind of message. Okay, so then, so yeah, so basically they get like adds to the cast. yeah and yeah i feel like yeah and once they die it's like okay you miss them and they almost feel more revered now when you're like yeah i mean probably but it's like my like i was always very close to my father i always listens for the most part but it's like now when i still see him and he's that i you talk about a totem i know i'm asleep when i see that guy pop up

I used to get a bunch of nightmares when I was little And what I learned What I learned to like That was my lucid dream tip off Like oh shit Like Dobby from Harry Bot I used to be terrified of Dobby an animal from Lord of the Rings

No animal from Harry Potter But animal from the Muppets too Just in Gallum too Yeah So like those like weird characters small like along those times you are you scared of Yoda I was just going to ask no because Yoda didn't move like those three and like those three creatures did for some

reason when I was little those three had like a certain like tiny movement chaotic energy yeah like that like switched off my like primal brain that like this was like a threat anyway they'd always chase me you're like an elephant seeing a mouse that's what yeah yeah anyway like I don't know like and you'd have those for me like I'd scream and then I tried to punch them, but it would never work. And it's slow. Yeah. I don't know how we've gone this deep into the episode

without talking about pillow punches. Oh, yeah. When you're asleep and you're trying to punch someone in your dream and you just, no matter how hard you hit them, it does no damage. That's never happened to you, Aaron? Never had a pillow punch. Well, I tried to punch my pillow?

No, it's just like you're having a fight in your, like a physical altercation with someone in your dream. and you throw a punch and it does zero. Oh, yeah, yeah. And you like, sure, I know I got hands. Yeah, and I'm just like, I wake up so angry. Like, it ruins my day when I have a, I'm thinking, like, I want to go find that person and just fight them.

Win or lose just to know I inflicted some actual damage. That in death and dreams freaks me out, like how you, how you automatically wake up when you die because you don't know what dying is like. When you're falling. That freaks me out. Why can't your brain make up death? They can make up everything else. I've died in a dream before.

And like, and actually like follow through with it. But like what did, how did you die? I forget the exact circumstance. I've definitely fallen and hit the ground. You've, you've done that?

You've hit the ground in a dream and died. And not, and not woken up immediately. Yeah. Yeah. You've gotten the falling sensation. Yes. Hit the ground.

Yes. And then not. And you died. Felt like you broke your neck or what? No, I just, everything went black in my dream. And then my body felt.

like it was floating. Did you wake up? You simulated death. No, I'm called cap. Billy, no, you don't call cap. You don't get to say cap, Billy. I get to call cap. Now I'm calling cap on you for the time.

I call cap on me. You can't survive. Yeah, double cap, yeah, double cap, billy. My cap detector's off the charts right now on Billy. You don't get to tell me what I didn't, did not dream about. That's insane. Yeah, no, I've died so many times in my dreams. So you didn't, you didn't wake up from.

it you what what happened after you floated away i thought i i could feel my my body floating through space it felt like it was like a thick type of air around me like a zero gravity like float around and then i swear to get i started to hear the most beautiful classical music playing beautiful classical music chords like a full orchestra a string orchestra playing a very pleasing melody uh i believe him and that's that's how i remember What happened? PFT has seen death and come back. What if, bro, I would have crack the cold.

I'll put it this way. If that's what death is like, then I'm not afraid of death at all because it felt very calming and pleasing and I was okay with everything that was going on at the time. And I knew I had the thing is though I did have like a conscious realization of like I'm dead. Are, okay, have you ever died before like halfway? Like heart stops? Yeah. I don't know.

I don't think so. I think that's something you kind of know. Maybe you have and you don't know. Maybe that, you may be reincarnation. No, maybe that's, maybe that's, okay, spoiler, not spoiler, but Outer Bank season two, a lot of, lot of almost deaths happening. Spoilerly. Spoiler alert.

Spoiler alert. A lot of almost deaths. Maybe PFT has like, like, had, maybe you had like a mini heart attack, like, for real, in your dream. and that was actually real and that was you actually dying and then you like and your heart restarted

I've been on the operating table several times I've had surgery so who knows what happens when you're put under the that's a whole other thing because like yeah if you're under the anesthesia oh people talk about like they see

themselves on the yeah I've never done that too yeah I think that's cap but once again I just have to mention the time right before you fall to sleep when they're putting you to sleep or anesthesia,

the greatest drug on Earth. It is amazing. They had to give me extra when I had surgery because I was actively telling them that they couldn't put me to sleep. And I was like, I was, I was, it's the hardest I've ever fought. Yeah.

And they told me when I woke up. They were like, you did better than most people do, actually. I do. I agree that you should, because the anesthesiologist, then it's like a challenge. Yeah. It's not going to work,

And so they give you more probably, and it just feels so good. It's like the most I've gotten, they usually tell me to count down backwards from 100. I got to 88 one time, which is way more than usual. Yeah, I got to 88. There was one time I was coming out of surgery and I was talking to the nurse that was attending me as I was waking up. And the first thing I remember saying to her was, I bet you anything I'm going to remember this conversation. She's like, no, you're not. No chance in hell.

And I was like, yes, I am. I'm going to will myself to remember this conversation that we're having right now. And then she goes, yeah, but you're not going to remember what you just told me five minutes earlier. And I was like, oh, fuck. And she gave me Sunday scaries coming out of an operation. And then, like, I just had tremendous anxiety for like the next several hours being like, oh, no, what did I say to this lady that's doing nothing but sitting here trying to help me feel okay? She eventually told me later on that I was just not making sense with anything that I was saying.

But she was trying to make me feel bad about it. Shout out to her. Shout out her. You got to have some fun at your job. So, yeah, I guess, is that weird that I died in my sleep? That's really weird. That's like really, really weird. No offense.

Every time I've always fallen from a fall place, I wake up. You usually, because when you fall asleep and your muscles relax, totally, that's when you get that falling sensation, when you jolt up. And that happens when that's what caused. causes the falling dreams, and you always wake up. I've been getting a lot of twitching, falling asleep. Like right when you fall asleep, you twitch. Yeah, and it wakes you up.

That shit's annoying. It always happens on Sundays. Interesting. I think it's like, I think that's your version of Sunday scurries. Yeah, it's not just you, Billy. Everyone only twitches on Sunday. My brain forgets to breathe sometimes when I'm about to fall asleep. That'll wake me up and make me think I'm dying.

That's great. And just yesterday, I twisted my ankle, sleeping. In bed. Oh, yeah. I took a nap. I woke up severely twisted ankle. I got a brace on today. I wish I was joking.

It very much hurts. Well, you were laying down? What? Yeah. I mean, I like fuck up my shoulder like three times a year sleeping. I don't know what happens, but I. Sort of makes sense because you can sleep pouring it and blood back. How do you fucking?

ankle of you i mean i've had terrible ankles my whole life like i've tore all the ligaments and tendons off both of them on different occasions so i think it's just like i don't know i woke up and i just couldn't walk you it was very painful still very painful that's odd jesus yeah didn't care for it do you have sleep apnea pfd i don't have sleep i'm reading that people with sleep apnea are more prone to have a dream where they die and like know that they died instead of oh nasal strips are fire speaking of like you want to up your sleep game like i i busted my nose recently like how what you call it deviate a buckled septum and i've been using sleep strips and it's just like fall sleep so much faster feel like have way better sleep

Like, they're awesome. Just want to shout out breath strips. Do you get better dreams? Yeah. Because I get deeper into sleep because I'm not like, more oxygen? Yeah. No, to answer your question, big tea,

I don't think I have sleep apnea. I don't like suffer from breathing issues during, during my sleep, I don't think. A lot of mix results on here on people saying you can and cannot die in your dreams, but obviously you have. Whatever Reddit says, let's go with that.

Do you guys like sleepy time tea? Yes. Kind of. I don't know what that is. A little different, but probably what you're talking about. You know the Sleepy Time Bear? Yeah.

Well, the Sleepy Time Bear is canceled. No, it turns out the people. So I used to love this tea, and I was trying to make it like a joke where I send a picture. Like I tweet a picture of the Sleepy Time Bear before, well, I'm drinking my sleepy time tea at night. But then someone told me that the Sleepy Time, like the celestial, the celestial, the, celestial um seasonings that make these herbal teas their founder was just like this crazy dude who believed in this like scientology type new age bible and was just like totally like racist antisemitic bad he was like this urantia book uh was like said to be authored by aliens

but it was likely authored in the early 1900s by a psychiatrist named william sadler who used it as a vessel for his racist ideas so like Like there I was like posting like this Sleepy Time bear, which is just like funny. It turns out it is just like some totally like just like just tweeting that bear. People know who I'm talking about for us, the Sleepy Time cult people. This bear is just begging for trouble. He's dead asleep, open flame everywhere, cat right near the kettle like this house is begging to burn down. Oh yeah.

This is not fire safe at all. It's like one of those things they show you in science class where they're like, name the six things that are wrong with this lab. Don't be like the bear. But that bear is sleeped. It's hibernating, yeah. Well, we do have to wrap things up right here because I think that we're going to get another show coming into this podcast studio.

So, um, underwear. Underwear. Aaron, underwear. You got it last week. Did you get two in a row? No, he didn't get last week. You weren't here. You went after you had to leave.

Oh, yeah, yeah. Let's go. Are you doing Deval underway today? Is that your guess? That's my guess. No, I think it's gray. Is it a diaper to match the juice box? Oh, it is gray.

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