Macrodosing: Arian Foster and PFT Commenter - Sovereign Citizens And Their Rebellion Against Society

Episode Date: August 17, 2023

On today’s episode everyone is back to take a deep dive into sovereign citizens. The sovereign citizen movement is a loose grouping of litigants, anti-government activists, tax protesters, financial scheme promoters, and conspiracy theorists who adhere to pseudolegal concepts. Essentially they don’t follow laws or listen to the government. Plus, we get into Donald Trump and Rudy Guiliani, furries, college sports versus professional and Arian says who he thinks the best quarterback in the NFL is.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/macrodosing

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This is going to be on Friday's part of my take. Max is a great dude. One thing, now, Aaron, I know that you've got experience with this because you recently played in the Liv Tour program. Is it a little bit nervous when you're teeing off and there are fans that are in front of you and it could be like an amateur golfer playing? Actually, it is by definition an amateur golfer.

And they're lined up next to the T-box like you're a professional and you have a chance of hitting one of them. Uh, that, that would not in my, like, my skill set is a little, you know, further past that. The nerves don't come from that. Like, I, I wouldn't be afraid of, I'm going to hit one of them. The nerves just come from, am I going to fuck up? Like, I'm pretty well, I'm pretty good enough to be like, I'm not going to duff this at this point. Now, you asked me that four or five months ago, you know, that that would change.

But right now, I'm confident enough in a stroke. to where, you know, we rock it. But I might hook it or I won't slice it bad. You know, that, that would be the, but the nerves are real. When I was in the pro and I'm lining up and there's a pro watching me, you know, T off for the first time, that's, it's nerve wracking. He even came into me to that and he was like, was you nervous? I was like, man, hell yeah. It just is what it is.

I would be very, very nervous if somebody trusted my swing enough. But I get nervous when like, you know, like if you, like if you play in. solo and everybody and somebody and you in the back of a foursome and they're like play through play through i get nervous on that t-shot like where there's four people watch yeah you know so it's it's it's just nerve wracking swinging the golf club in front of people that you've never swung it before like it just is what it is facts okay i just want to get that out there because that was my initial thought is there are some very brave fans out there that line up very close to where the ball could end up and then that would be in a in a pro am that's crazy yeah that would be wild um so let's get into

we got a lot of stuff has happened so aaron you weren't on on tuesday show rub it in but i want to get everybody's feeling out here because a lot of news is broken since then um former president donald j trump is getting brought up with young thug on riko charges in fulton county georgia i don't know if the two cases are intertwined at all but they're both getting rico some people pointed out it's very ironic rudy juliani has uh he's the guy that invented Rico basically he made he made the Rico charges uh or he used them to take down the mob and now Rudy Giuliani is now indicted on a Rico charge I personally think that Rudy Giuliani should be able to plead drunk like not guilty not innocent like your honor it's I was temporarily

drunk at the time for the last like five years and that's the only reason that I did all that weird shit like the four season sort of landscaping and showed up with like spray paint hair and then cried it into my own eyeballs. I think that Rudy could be the one that could get out of those charges just by being like, dude, I was hammered. Just give me a break.

What a funny thing with his career is like when they did that speech after after after they called the election after CNN called the election and they're like in front of some random like that's the four seasons total landscape. Yeah.

That shit, that whole thing was a fucking parody dog it's the funniest thing ever i i honestly think it's the funniest thing to happen in politics of all time ever he he tried to book a room a very prestigious room at the at the four seasons and ended up in like the back of a landscaping company 30 minutes out of town like an alley SEO for your landscaping business yes yes absolutely i wonder how that i wonder how that business is doing now that's just probably flourishing that's take down the sign because people kept pulling over the side of the road to take a picture in front of the four seasons sort of landscape. It's lit. It's so sad because Giuliani was such a hero to New York post 9-11 and now it's just

like, he's a joke. Yeah. Sad. I mean, it was. It is sad. The Giuliani experience. He's a beacon of hope too many. He's a beacon of hope. Yeah. In 2001. I, you don't, do you remember that? I mean, I wasn't, I wasn't in New York. I don't remember how my parents talked about it. Was he was, was really Giuliani considered a beacon of hope? I mean, I don't. I don't know. I was not in New York. I don't know. Like, he was the guy who was going on TV and talking a lot. I don't know about Beacon of Hope, but he was definitely very well received around the country. Yeah, yeah.

Everyone was like, like, so it's kind of, you know, he's definitely degenerating mentally. He may have, honestly, like, a ton of people didn't love Trump before he was president. Like, he was popular, I guess, in the sense that, like, he was really famous. But I don't know that he had a very high approval rating necessarily. Giuliani's at one point was almost unanimous. He may have the biggest decline in approval rating among like anyone ever. Yeah. George W. Bush, he was in the same.

He was still polarizing, though. Like there were. Jared. Right after. That's fair. That's fair. Everyone loved Jared. That's fair.

Like a, yo. I want to find the person. Osby. Oh, yeah. Yeah. No, Jerry. No, because, okay. So a lot of.

And this is two America's thing. A lot of things didn't really rock with Bill Cosby because he was super on the pull your pants up. Act respectable type shit. And he was like, hey yo, shut the fuck up, Bill. Like a lot of us was on that. He was judging us you know, streetnickers a lot early. Like, he was judging streetnickers in a way that was

not favorable. But he was always like, you know, America's dad or whatever. But I think like mid-80s, Bill Cosby had a pretty high approval rating. And then later on he started to do the, yeah, pull your pants up. Yeah. Act like you got some sense. he was a big one of those guys um george w he had like a 91% approval rating right after 9-11 after 9-11

yeah and rudy uh i i think rudy was beloved by a lot of people because he just got on tv right after the attacks and just kind of like spoke emotionally and honestly and people appreciated that at the time because everyone was scared and confused and we just wanted one leader to stand up and act like they you know they had a heart and juliani did do that um And George W. Bush for a time, everybody was, like, behind him too, which if 9-11 happened right now, oh, my God, people, people would hate Joe Biden, hate him. The country would not be united behind the president right now. There's no way. The internet wasn't internet and back then like it is.

So it's like, there's no winning if something like that happens nowadays. Yeah. There's just, oh, the conspiracy that spread from that. Yeah. We were talking about Madden the other day, the video game. And how if the truck stick came out. there this year the the hit stick came out this year everybody would be like oh this is a joke this this feature sucks because it's the internet so you have to find something to complain about but at the

time the hit stick was awesome i think that's probably the last the last good innovation that madden had yeah have you seen the clips r1 l1 was pretty was pretty lit too yeah early 2004 2005 r1 l1 size tip i have seen the clips yeah it's it's tough i i i don't play Madden anymore. It's been bad for several years, but I'm extremely concerned about EA making the new NCAA game next year. Yeah. And it's supposedly on the same engine as Madden, which if that's the case, like, I'll still play it, but damn, that would be unfortunate. Because NCAA, back when it was being made every year, was very different from Madden. I got a very different feel. The physics were different. So if it's just like a re-skin of Madden, basically, that

that's going to be really disappointing sometimes you got to do less you know it's a football game they try to make these grand big innovations or tweaks to the format and i think we we like what we like i would be perfectly fine if they just re-released the game from 2013 yeah just updated like rosters and stadiums and stuff and that and have the exact same gameplay that it was 10 years ago i want the same you don't want the same graphics though you don't want that the graphics weren't bad though. They were good. I mean, when you look at like shit, like, you know, have you seen the graphics from like into the

Spider-Verse? The movie? In the Spider-Verse game? Yeah, with the game. The game that came, it came with it, like, in 2000, it just came out. Like, in PS5? I've not seen. You haven't played it. Brough. It's, you, like, you can't go back. And then my son, so he beat that game. And then he doubled back and he's like, can we buy this

Spider-Man game? And I was like, bro, that's from like 2018. He was like, let's just get it. Like, we got it. It's just, even for even that difference is, you don't want that. I was, I was enjoying watching the first game. And in the second game, I was like, it's kind of weak. You don't want that. I feel like the graphics could be improved a little bit, but sometimes you don't want, like, when they, when you have to sacrifice gameplay at the expense of graphics, it's not worth it.

Yeah, like the Madden graphics are great and the game sucks. So what? Okay, Big T, you're a computer engineer and they say, Big T, we are, you are head in the department and making this Madden. in a new new madden game what do you do different uh i don't know that's not my job but i just like it's a job play with me bro jesus christ i don't i haven't i like i said i haven't played the game in several years but all the clips i see like it's very glitchy the physics are weird on it like it's it doesn't feel real in c the ncdbola 14 game like felt more authentic than the most recent time i played madden honestly if you

really wanted to make Madden sick like next level you would you would add a part where like if you were doing superstar mode where you had like some off field simulations and it wasn't all about football so like

if you wanted to go to the club you could have like a like a club simulator you could have like oh if you want to drive more expensive cars like you could have like a car simulator I don't want to say GTA type this is but like this is Blitz the League

another game that came out 15 years ago that's better than Madden is today you could like yeah but like I'm okay with this I'm okay you could drive so leaving the stadium like you're driving out and you can drive to your crib you can buy different apartments so you could live the whole NFL lifestyle sims mixed with Matt or

NCAA I'm not I'm not I would play that shit that's and it had crazy injuries where you could like snap guys clavicles and stuff and it would show like the tendons tearing from the bone. I wasn't allowed to play it, but it looks like it was pretty sick. Get in like a high speed car chase? It was like, yeah, you could, I think, I believe you could have sex with women who

were offering their services. You could do all sorts of stuff. And then you'd go play the game that week. Yeah, and like, the better you get, the different celebrities want to party with you. And it's like, go party with Drake and 11. You can invite Taylor Swift to be your girlfriend at other shows. It took so long to like develop for like the rights and the, you know what I mean? But you could, I think like NBA has a little bit of it.

But like you can get pulled over for speeding and like it affects your in game play. Like you could really like you could really like it would be hilarious if it was like a full simulation. I think that would be insane. You'd take over Kirk Cousins and turn them into like his version. of Russell Wilson where he breaks up with his wife and starts dating Carrie Underwood adopts her kids or conservators are kids yeah this would be a good game it would be a great game and it is Blitz the league Big T's right but yeah it would be sick I've ever played it makes me want to play that I just sent you a video of a guy I'm I'm gonna watch that I hurry and you

lived it we might need to buy like an Xbox and buy that game I don't know a funny story in college that I don't think he had understood anything. So, uh, I was riding with no else in, uh, in high school and in college. Oh, that means no license. I didn't, I didn't have a license in high school and I didn't have a, you don't need a license. You're a traveler, a private traveler. We'll get to that later. Yeah, that shit big. So like, okay, so anyway, so I'm driving. So like this, I look, this is how I learned to drive. I never. So like my brother And my sister, um, one of the homies growing up, his mom worked for the DMV. And so we never went to driving school. Like, she would just take day picture and he, and she, that's how they got the

else. And when I moved to California, I didn't have no else. And I was just driving all over the city dirty. They didn't have no license. And so, but that's how I learned to drive good. Because every time a cop would get behind me, I would like, you know, have, you know, just slowly pull off, you know, pull over, make it, make a right here, make a left here, and then get back on my route. So when I got to college, though, saying didn't have, didn't have no license. And I'm like, I'm into the freshman year. And still don't have a license. I'm driving my girlfriend's car at the time.

And I get pulled over. And I tried to pull off. And he, he swore behind me. He pulled me over. And he was licensed registration. And I'm like, I forgot my license in my, in my doing room. And he goes, okay, what's your name? And I panicked.

And I said my brother's name. I just panicked. And he's just looking at me. He's like, you want to try that again? I'm like, no, I mean, it's my name. It's my name. And he goes, okay, what's your social security number? And I was like, uh, uh, whew, I did that there.

And he was like, listen, man, I know who you are. Like, I know who you? I was like, oh, fuck, you know? But he was cool. You know what I said? He said, who's car is? I told him what he said, tell him to come down, come get you. And I was like, I said.

So did he ever, did you? say that you didn't have a license or did he just like no he was like do you have a lot like I just never have never had a license he's like okay well you need one so when did you get it i got it like maybe like a month later um there's probably throwing people under the bus but it's like there was just somebody at a d a v go show up take a picture well that should be in the video game you can ride with no else mm-hmm third year player gets pulled over. Turns out never had a license.

Never had owls, man. Suspended for three games. That's funny. At Virginia Tech, Marcus Vic got in trouble because he was using Michael Vick's ID to get into bars when he was a freshman. That's not as crazy. Maybe the most famous person to ever attend.

No, yeah, definitely the most famous person to ever attend Virginia Tech University. And he's, and Marcus Vic at the time is maybe like the third or fourth most famous person to attend. And so he's showing Mike Vick's ID to get into bars

there. That may have happened to my cousin. With Michael Vick? No. Oh, with you? With my ID. He said, I'm Billy football. No, no. You're just like, this isn't you.

That's actually a funny story, but for later. For later. Okay, we're later. Not now. Tell that story later after we already basically told it. Yeah. And at the exact time, it would be relevant. Yeah.

I want to get him in trouble. I want to go back real quick to the Trump-Riko thing. It's wild that he's getting brought up on RICO charges, by the way. That's like gang shit that they're charging with. And if you read the Mueller report, he is a mob boss, dog. He acts as if though he is a mob boss, dog. So it does not surprise me. He's usually smart enough in his past endeavors to make sure that nothing touches him,

where he, you know, in code, he'll speak to whether it's Michael Cohen or somebody else. And he'll imply what needs to be done. And then somebody else will take care of it. Also, it's funny that Giuliani had a handshake deal with Trump to represent him for all this stuff after the election. And Giuliani's pissed off because he hasn't gotten paid. So he's stiffing Rudy on this one. Wait, hold on. He came out and said it?

Yeah, there was something in the news. might be the fake news media i have not verified it i read i read the headline and the first two paragraphs before it told me i couldn't read anymore but that was the jesus he said fuck this thanks well do you hear the stories about trump dealing with union guys and i think john goddy directly while trying to construct buildings yes like he dealt with all those people in new york like building buildings in new york i haven't heard that but like so my dad used to be a general manager of a hotel so he's he was in a hotel industry for like 20 plus years And so like, there's this dude who we know from the family and go to his name's name.

But he owns like this puncher like Hilton's and all these different hotels. And I was talking to my dad a long time ago, he was like, Trump was known for that. He was known for like sticking people for contractual jobs. Like he'll contract somebody to do something. I mean, contract somebody to do something. And he'll just like, Stephanie won't pay him. Like he was kind of like known for that shit in a hotel industry. Yeah.

Which is wild, bro. Yeah. People. Also hearsay, but. Well, no, I've heard the same things. read the same things. People would come at him to collect their bills. He'd be like, I'm not going to pay you. And then they'd have to sue him. And most people didn't have the pocket to be able to take him to court for the attorneys, all that stuff. And so, yeah, he would

just not pay people and it hasn't caught up to him. But yeah, that's kind of on Rudy. And Rudy, Rudy would probably die if he went to prison, just from DTs, just from detoxing. Like, if you'd make that man go stone cold sober, he's what, 80 years old? That's not. What's he on? He's 80? Oh, he's drunk. He's drunk all the time. Really? Yeah.

Yeah, he's just like a hardcore alcoholic. I didn't know that. Every time I see him, I get the penguin vibes. Yeah. So I can't, like, I can't ever take him serious when he talks, but like, I didn't know he was on shit. That's crazy. Let me offer a bit of legal advice. What's the term?

Pro bono. I'm going to offer Trump some pro bono legal advice. You don't have to pay me for this, okay? This is how you get out of this entire situation. I will get you off. They're looking to flip Rudy, right? They're trying to flip Rudy because more pause. Yeah, flip them over and they get them off.

All right? It's easy. They're trying to make Rudy turn into a rat and snitch on everybody, turn state's witness, and give more evidence to get Trump and Jen Ellis or whoever, Mark Meadows, the big fish, trying to get those people in prison. Trump should just flip on everybody. Trump should then, Trump should make them an offer and be like,

I'm going to sing. I'm going to tell you everything that happened. And he should implicate his own son, Don Jr. How funny would that be if Donald Trump. Damn. Snitched on his own son was like it was his idea. Everything was his fault and sends his son and everybody else to prison. And he gets away with everything.

That would be very, very funny. That would be hilarious. So what is going to happen with this? So they can't, it's possible for them to try all them out. How many people are indicted? Like 18, 19? They say that they want to try them all together. And in a RICO trial, you can have everybody in the courtroom if you want.

But that's- RICO's federal, isn't it? No, RICO can be used in the States too. Okay. Yeah. So it's a possibility that they might have 19 defendants in the courtroom at the same time for the same trial. That's probably not going to happen because,

then they have like 19 separate attorneys that are all objecting to things, making various motions, and the trial just wouldn't, it wouldn't be able to proceed. It would be like too much of it's federal. It says it's federal. There are federal RICO charges. I don't know. Okay, I'm not a lawyer. So it's my understanding. Trump should just not run for president.

It can be state. It can be state. I don't think that's how it would work, Billy. I think that like if you're indicted by a state, like the state of Georgia, I bet doesn't matter if you're running. to be like, I'm not running anymore. Leave me alone. Everyone would drop all charges. Okay. Is that a good defense just for anybody to be like, I won't run for president if you drop the charges? Because I'm going to try that one. Well, if you're in his position, yeah. I don't, I don't know that that would work because that would imply that the state charges are political

in nature. And so if you're a district attorney and you're kind of admitting to the fact that you just don't want this guy to run for president. That's a whole reason why you did this. Then that would probably look very, very bad on your career. Or you get appointed by another Democrat. Well, I don't think she got appointed, did she? I think she won an election. Isn't that how DA's work?

I think, I think she won an election. Did you get appointed? I'm not, I'm not sure in this case. Actually, I think it depends on the district. Yeah. So is there... I'm interested into the psychology of this. Because he has to think he's done...

You know what point are you like, all right, yeah, it's like, I got to, something got to shake. So this is what I did. Or he's just like, like, I'm going to the grave with that. That's something like real gangster shit. He's hit with all this. Like, how many times he's been indicted or arrested? Like to just stand your ground and just be like, they after me, dog, is some of the most gangster shit I've ever seen him.

Trump might be the biggest gangster I've ever seen, though. So that's what I was going to ask. is this is the fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh time this has happened. But it seems like people are talking about it like this is the real one. Like, do you think there's actually going to be a trial where Trump is in a courtroom and like shits on the line? It sounds like it. Because I just, I have a hard time believing that after like this has happened several times now. Yeah. So it takes so well to go through all the motions and the proceedings and to actually get a court date set and then show up and a lot of stuff can happen but it sounds to me like the the new york tax one i think

we can all agree we've talked about it that one is going to be very very tough to prosecute like i don't know if they have the goods like they think they have the goods on them um the federal one uh that was a jack smith that indictment that i'm guessing at the federal level might take a little bit more time to get the wheels in motion to actually bring them into a courtroom um the georgia one from my understanding is it's I guess more solid and they want to they want to get to it faster yeah I guess I just I'll believe it when I see it I guess at least at least in Georgia you can have cameras and courtrooms so we'll be broadcast and when they're talking about like taking his mugshot when is that going to happen that's what I'm interested about is I

the mugshot banking on a mugshot to sell t-shirts for two years now can I please get a mugshot brother that market's going to be that market's going to be so flooded my brother yeah but if we we got we got the you know somebody at the at the at the at the at the at the local prison and no we just can you imagine though he does his patented like two thumbs up crazy smile and i mean that t-shirt would go i'd buy five that's what's so crazy about it is if on both sides of the aisle that shirt will sell Oh, and go crazy. It would go crazy, man. I need to find my, I got a mugshot.

I need to find that shit. I have a mugshot out there somewhere. Yeah, we got to track that down, please. We should sell that t-shirt, actually. I hope. I'm down with that. Yeah. Fantasy football tradition, handcuffing your running backs.

If anybody can find my mugshot, they blew it up. We used in Arkansas. We play Arkansas like the next week. They blew it up, and they had the picture of it in the stands. I hope me and three of the homies. I can't find a shit, though. Oh, yeah, you told us about that story. Yeah.

But we should tell that mugshot. Oh, my God. No way. Crazy. You found it? Ariad, is this, is this real? You smiling like that in this? No, not my mugshot.

No, I wasn't smiling. Okay, wait, wait. I was pissed. There's a lot of articles. Okay, no, that was your, that was your roster photo. My bad. A little different. Someone made it look like a mug shot.

Not the same, but yeah. They do both. less tightened weight, but... Oh, I can't wait to see Trump's weight. His, like, true weight. Do they weigh you when you go to jail? He's 285. Okay, let's set the over under

because he says he's what, 225? He's not, he's not $2.38. He said, he said $2.30, bro. He's $2.60. As a matter of fact, I'll size all y'all up. Tell me how close that. Okay. All right.

You give me stand up, Big T. I'm going to start with you. It's not body shame, but we just have a conversation about weight. I'm good at size. sizing people up. Let me get a little, let me turn around. Let's see that back end. All right. How tall are you? 6.5.

Okay, you 6.5. I say about 265. Oh, no, no, no. That was a... We'll take that, but that tells me that Trump sure ain't 285. Okay, 275. Yeah, we'll go with that. What are you 300, man? There's no way you 300.

295 probably wow okay so 30 pounds off okay let me see you let me see you pfd i mean i'm over one there's enough tape of me out there can i i would say all right yeah i would say i'm actually interested let's play some bets can we do a closest yeah yeah i haven't i haven't weighed myself in like a month month and a half i have been in the gym not to brag okay all right uh let me get a little little spinach Okay How tall are you yet Five nine

It's notorious Five eight and a half Oh Okay my bet Five eight and a half I would say you probably like Two ten Two fifteen

I'm gonna one eighty five You think I'm two ten You're way all over You're not good at sizing people up You looked a little thick man You looked a little thick What am I How much you

Todd Gurley Like I'm not thick like that He's he weighs more than that. How much you weigh? Last a chair. You're a hundred bucks. I'm closer. 185.

I got it right on the mark, bro. Yeah. Man, maybe I am shit at this. Yeah. Well, wait. All right, let me do you, Billy. I might be fucking up. Let me see.

Yeah, you're like the worst person in the world at this. Oh, you're just mad because I gave you more. Yeah. That's bad at it. No, you're bad at it. It's just. All right. How tall are you, Billy?

Six three. Yeah It's about 220 I don't know Billy's 60 Ah How much do you weigh I'm like

230 right now Okay See I'm like I'm right I'm overweight though I hide it well I'm alright I'm a bad

I'm a bad Well let's do you Let's do you Okay How much do you Here stand up Give us a twirl You want to twerk

Billy Yeah Made us twerk Yeah, you made us Hmm That's a solid I'm gonna go It's a solid 230 right

How tall? Yeah, I'm going 2.35 6.1 6.6.1 Yeah, 235 because you got Each leg's probably 70 pounds Looks like 2.56

Oh, are you just mad You mad because I got you two 10? You still hurt, man? That's your hurt. Hold on. You don't think I got a huge dick. I'm too.

I'm 235 here Boom Yeah Billy You're actually good at this You played off my guess though No I didn't The way that Billy just said no I didn't Right there

That is the classic I just got caught doing something Billy no I didn't No I didn't I didn't I couldn't even hear you Wait can we play the tape back Because I said 230 And Billy goes yeah yeah I was gonna say like

235 Oh no I thought you were talking about With PFT Okay, alright, come on Billy I'm serious No, I actually did hear him say 185 for PFT Yeah, no, he got me right, yeah, that's correct That's what I thought you're discrediting

210's not that far off, bro No, but Aryan, you know 5-9 guys A lot different Like made up than PFT What? Like his body composition is much different than a lot of guys you know like NFL players that's fair but I like I'm definitely like I think I'm thicker than the normal

five eight and a half guy like we had this discussion in the football house how like we're good at guessing football player weights but not I might be other people I might be correct I might be correct and like girls weights are weird as fuck because you'll overshoot them and realize that they just have way lower muscle mass and boobs and boobs and boobs you forget about boobs sometimes but anyways Trump's mug shot in the way end

I would set the over under on weight 260 I'm 260 or 270 I was going to say 264 and a half you said he was 285 I think he took a bad

I fucked you up so bad I had to recalculate my shit the problem is there's so many photoshopps of Trump that you know every time like if he plays tennis or golf somebody will go out there like make his ass bigger No, you know what, guys, I actually think we're all overshooting.

This guy's been shooting up O-Zempic. This thing of belt is on his ribs, bro. I might, hold on. He has a little bit of James Harden to him. He fluctuates a lot. I've seen some bad angles and I've seen somewhere, okay, he's looking spelt today. He's been looking a little ozempicky lately. I think he's lost his edge.

He's lost mass and he's lost my respect. Yeah, I think my memory of him is fatter than his actual weight. Also, I think he's no. muscle I don't say 2.50 to 260. Is Donald Trump a Pog? I think he might be.

I think he's kind of I think he's a Pog fat-ass white guy. Okay. Okay. What are you going to say, Billy? Wait, how tall is he? He says pretty tall.

I think he says 6.3. He's probably close. I don't think he's lying about his height. He might, he probably adds like an extra inch to it, but that's just normal guy stuff like Billy. I got 25 to 65. He right around that. He bought 255.

That's where I'm sticking to. I'm still looking for Aryan's mugshot. I know. I can't find it either. I can't, bro. I'm telling you. He had it scrubbed from the internet.

Nah. It ain't even that crucial. I would love to have that picture. I put that bitch in my house. Did you have a PR team? They probably did for you. No, these don't do that shit,

though. It wasn't that crew. I was never like. Fat Phil had a PR team, though. did he oh he was I mean back in the day

UT was was getting some mug shots taken off the internet did you did you guys see what happened in Ireland with the Bank of Ireland this is just like a dream scenario

but the real implications actually suck in Ireland all the Bank of Ireland ATMs started just giving out free cash no matter how much you had in your bank account

when was that And people, it was like, I think it was probably while you were there. I just checked. Or it might have been Monday night. It was giving out free money. So everyone was just withdrawing as many Irish bucks as they could. I know they're probably Euro. Irish bucks.

Irish bucks. I said, like it's a class project. I just, I was trying to think, I, I wish Ireland had a currency because I knew, know it would be like, name something really cool. It was named the pound. like shamrock or like oh the shamrock the shamrock the shamrock did well today yeah yeah the shamrock's trading in aftermarket hours like that coin and the coins are charms that'd be fine yeah like that sham sham rock's and charms i got yeah i got in good on investment on uh i bought 500 potta golds

and it's they got through the roof since then man i wish i was there for that but you know that really fits the pubs in Ireland. If everybody out there just gets unlimited money for a day, unlimited cash, you go straight to the bar. So think about how insane the pubs must have been in Ireland with everyone with money. People were like going out and buying TVs

and shit. It must have been like a crazy time. So then do you have to pay that money back? Yeah. I mean, they know how much you took out. They're going to go over at least the ATM footage and then just give you negative balances. And that sucks. Why's that they fault? That's horse shit.

but like if you were 17 years old and had just like 30 bucks in a random student account and you just fucking took out $5,000 you probably won't get held accountable because you're a minor as long as you don't run for president yeah yeah I don't usually get held accountable at all that's they that's they fucked up yeah I kind of agree with that bank er in your favor it's a monopoly right you can go wow yeah did you there's no way you just had that on deck yeah you don't know banker do not pass go. I remember vividly that card. That was a chance card.

But like, have you just had that shit on this? I don't know. There's certain things that you keep saying throughout your life. I keep, I always, I say bank air in your favor anytime something good happens to me. Okay. Wait, how could he not have that knowledge but you had it? No, no, no. I didn't say knowledge, but like to have that reference

on deck in the context of this conversation of a monopoly game that's been around since the 80s, there's just what's impressive. I, I want to see PFT's like brains scan because I want to know how his neurons are firing because it's insane sporadically we're not we're not we're not hyping you up pfd just your your neurons i'm that motherfucking smart i know it's not it's not me it's my neurons yeah yeah dude because you know that you're doing that subconscious

you have no you can't even control it sometimes shout out my neurons so it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's my synapses are just they're wild wild boys up there they're just going off yeah uh so we're sending the overrunner to I like big T's. 264.5 is a good line to set. I'm taking way under. I think he's under 230. I think he's under 240.

He's been taking OZempic. Have you seen his face? Bro, 6.3.2.30? You're like ripped. I'm 2.30, bro. I'm 2.30. Look at me. No, because one, I'm 2.30.

No, but he has no muscle mass. He's no muscle mass. And like, I say under 2.40. Yeah. Muscle weighs more than fat. but it looks bigger. Have you all seen heavyweight? Yep.

So, Billy, I'll give you an opportunity because you currently owe me $1,000. That's true. I asked you how to pay you back recently and you didn't answer. Because I want to go, let's go double or nothing.

Oh, shit. I'll take the old odds. I'll take the over. You take the under. Okay. We'll set it 2.45. Okay. Yeah.

Yeah. Sure. You had the opportunity. You had the opportunity. Oh, Bill. Oh, Billy. Did you say you want the. over right yeah and you just said it at you could have gotten another 15 or 20 pounds okay

i mean what did you wanted at no you already i'm not gonna be dis he wanted it at that that's not Billy i hope you never have to negotiate yourself for yourself that's crazy no no i said i said i thought it was lower he says he thinks it's higher i was like what do you want to make it 245 because i'm so confident but i'm saying so you you're super confident that this man is 200 below 240 pounds Have you seen this man? His belt buckle is at his belly button. Also, Eddie, how do you know he's on Ozympic? I think you're just guessing.

Because, no. Give me a recent picture. Is that no hate? I'm just looking at the nigga. He's big, bro. No, but you're looking at old photos. Give me a new photo. Okay, Trump.

Like, I said this a couple months ago that he looks weak. The White House listed him at 6.3-243, which seems like, There was a little bit of fuzzy accounting going on. And that was before he was on the Olympic. And you know them inflated stats, though. That's that's listing your 510 point guard at 6.1. Yeah, that's Chris Paul at 6.2. You know what I'm saying?

Look at this photo of him in the daily mail is Trump on Wee Govee. Ex president looks much slimmer. There's a picture of him in 2020 and 2023. He looks so much slimmer. I think it is peak. You guys are right. But I don't think you guys have seen a recent photo of him. I mean, that's, that's him wearing, he's wearing like three sweaters.

You can't tell anything. Okay, now look at, this is him with the Kyle, the Kyle kid with the gun. Kyle Rittenhouse. Yeah, look at him in that picture. No, that's what I'm saying, though. He does look a little trim. Mm-hmm. That's what I'm saying.

Yeah, I'm mistaken trim for sickly. Yeah, but sickly, sickly, he's going through some shit. Irrelevant. Even if you look at like, see his, look at the. top button of his, look at the top button of his jacket. It's still, it's still kind of like, it's holding on, you know what I'm saying?

No, that's a nice suit. That suit's fitting good. He's got that forward lean. You forget about that. He does that forward lean. Yeah, he does. Anyway, let's stop talking about Trump. Trump's kind of fucking boring. Okay, so now I'm looking

at his neck. He got that like skinny neck. Yeah, I'm telling you guys. Okay, so written house button holding on like a motherfucker I just want to know what the actual number is. I'm glad that we're betting on it. You know what? I'm looking at this new photo. Wait, so how much?

Are you going to pay me $200,000 if I win? No, Billy, double or nothing means you owe me $1,000 already. So you would owe me $2,000 if you lose. I owe you nothing. Your debt is wiped clean if I went or if you win. But remember we're doing $1,000 against $100,000? Yeah, but you lost already. It's no way.

You're not an NPC, brother. Yeah, Aryan's right. You should stop negotiating for yourself. It's just funny as hell, right? When you Google Trump Wait, the most recent story that comes up, Trump mocks Chris Christie's weight, quote, don't call him a fat pig. Yeah, that was Chris Christie. That was a very funny speech that Trump, well, it wasn't so much of speech as it is,

like Trump just gets on stage and just goes off the cuff for an hour. And then he pretended to see somebody in the front row calling Chris Christie a fat pig. And he was like, no, sir, don't say that. Don't stop saying that. Stop saying that he's a fat pig. It's good. I mean, Chris Christie, speaking of five foot three, 300 pounds, I mean, that's Chris Christy.

He's got some great softball photos out there. Oh, you guys, by the way, I think that, uh, you said, you said, You saw that viral, uh, red bearded dude, uh, video, Oliver Anthony, I think. Yep. Might have been a plant. Uh, you think? By who? Yeah.

I mean, I don't know. Who will know if you're saying he's, wait, both of y'all just said he's a plant. People are obsessed with using that word right now. They're like the, that Bobby girl, the podcast. Oh, she's an industry plant. What is, what does that mean? Who is planting these people? Okay.

All right. So my opinion on Oliver Anthony is pretty. Pretty simple. Talk about who is that? For the people that don't know, because he's a guy who had a country song. It's called Richmond, North of Richmond.

It went crazy viral. It was a great song. Very good song. And he's gone crazy viral. But now that's, of course, turned into a political argument. Like there are some Republicans who say this guy's a lib.

And then the libs say he's like a right wing conspiracy theorist. It's a, but so, so who point? planted him. Well, I don't know that. I think it's, it's a pretty good song. He's a great singer. I don't want to take anything away from his singing ability. Awesome singer, good guitar player. Some of the lyrics are a little kind of corny, but some of them are good and heartfelt, like the stuff that where he's talking about, like if you're five foot three, three,

300 pounds in fudge rounds. That's, that's Chris Christie. That's who we were singing about. It's a little, it's a little corny. But there's a lot of it that seems heartfelt. He's a great, great singer. He was just amplified all at once by all the same accounts that usually work together to amplify whatever viral video they want to make go viral at that time. That's all I'm saying. I don't know if he was like told to stand there, sing this song. It was filmed professionally. I don't know how any of that came to happen. I don't know that it's like a grand conspiracy of that level. I think somebody found him and then all behind the scenes are like push this guy, push this guy, push this guy. I could be wrong. Yeah, yeah. That's.

I think it's far more likely that this song that went crazy viral and speaks to some things that like the people you're talking about talk about they would share that That's possible too

But so that's not even But Bobby's definitely a plant Okay Where the fuck did she come from? Okay so planted by whom I don't even know Whoever's promoting her Who's Bobby?

Bobby's the one who's like In the bed with Drake Being like Oh yeah you're like are you doing this right now like i don't even know they do the lady that does a podcast from a bed yes yeah she has like similar to like Caleb like vibes got it like really that i think that's a disservice to Caleb she's just like a moody bitch to everyone she interviews yeah but it's a bit like it's not i know i know but like that's the bit i just need all these people who keep calling things

industry plants to tell me what that means. Like, who is planting these people and for what purpose? I mean, I don't really, I don't really care that much to look up, uh, like the company that produced the video that made Oliver Anthony go viral, but, hey, first half of that song, I just listened to it. Fire. Yeah, it's a good song. He's, he's a great singer.

Fire. It's just the twang with the, with the guitar playing. That's fucking music. Yeah. It's, it's a good, it's a good song. man. Somebody was saying that he dyes his beard red. That that's not his natural beard color. No, no. That's, that's a bad conspiracy theory. That would change my opinion. That man is a ginger through and through. You can see it in his eyes. That was a little bit. What does that mean? No, he's, you could, he's definitely a natural ginger. I agree. That was just a crazy thing you just said. What was the other line that is kind of. corny that song about like oh yeah you care more about my minors

that's a bar yeah second second verse gets kind of man I knew Billy would like that that first that's a bar they care more about minors than minors on a plane somewhere I know I wish they'd care about minors not just minors on an island somewhere yeah yeah

I want to know who he's talked about actually I agree with him on that one yeah actually I take that back I didn't let us sit he's talking about the whole Epstein shit but they don't give a fuck about that kids in general I'm okay with that. I thought it was M-I-N-E-R-S. I think it is.

Oh. It is. What a pun. It's both. It's M-I-N-E-R-S and then So it's a double entendre. Double entendre. But he's talking about the Epstein stuff. I thought he was saying that he didn't, he was that cared about miners,

kids and the blue collar workers as opposed to kids on an island? like the politicians care about the kids on the island to do bad things to them got you what wait i don't know i think it might be both this is a very simple line to line to par so he's saying i wish that they would care about coal miners and the struggle they go through and not spend all their time thinking about flying down to little st james island to have sex with 14 year olds that's okay got you yeah I wish they prosecuted those politicians.

I agree, Billy. Which ones, Billy? Go off. We don't even know. We don't know. I mean, we had the Trunon people on the show, or not the Trunon. That's another good podcast you should listen to. Yeah, it was Trunon.

My bad. Yeah, I was mixing. I was mixing up QAnon Anonymous, which is another good, another good pod. But the true non people, they told us who they thought. I tend to agree with them. They've been doing this stuff way before it became, like, popular to talk about it. But, well, anyways, in better news, yeah. Did you see the video of the furries beating a guy up on the beach?

That was funny. That was so funny. Billy, turn your computer around right now. Why? Just turn it around. Don't click anything. Turn around. He's clicking.

He just clicked. Because so, so what happened was. Turn around. What are you on right now? Okay, I'm on Twitter. Nope. What page? Oh, I'm on X. This is true.

Do you know all my tabs? Is it the macrodosing page? Because, because, so it is. Because what happened was he said, in better news and waited 10 seconds and you were like, yeah, like, what were you going to say? And he didn't have something. So he looked down at the video that was on his screen that he posted of furries beating somebody up whatever he's like yeah jell see that he was just hoping that i would have better news right to move on to say way on to yeah no i he's right look look look look look bill can you just admit when big t's

right about something no i was like going through my brain of stories because we just have been talking a lot about politics and i want to do something lighthearted so i was like the furries beating each other up but go follow the macrodosing twitter uh on x it's really great stuff on there uh great videos great content you'll see some clips of us uh you'll see stuff like uh a guy who built an iron suit to fight grizzly bears just jump down mountains and do somersaults get hit in the head with baseball bats and shit that was a good video yeah i like that one yeah thank you for posting it of course but yeah the furry video is funny too that guy got hit with a megaphone right in his mouth and then and then made a sound like a dying fox the guy i can't believe you can be in a video

fighting furries and looked like the biggest weirdo there. Like the furries who took their hats off that was like

oh they're just normal dudes who are pissed at this guy and the guy on the floor is like this is what furries do I would love to interview a furry on the show because

what is a furry I have a vague idea but I've never really got into it what is a furry people that enjoy dressing up in animal costumes

and then either just socializing or usually having sex with each other. They look like Billy on the show. Yeah, there's Billy wearing the Patrick Mahomes wolf mask, right? I'd just like to dress up like a wolf and howl at the moon. There's nothing wrong with it. So real furries, they just like dressing up as animals?

Yeah, and they usually have sex with each other. So it's like a fetish? Yeah. after after i did that mascot video i got contacted by a bunch of furries and they're like hey are you a closet furry and i was like no i just wanted to pretend i was the bank robber so the so the foundation behind it is they enjoy the sex part of it yeah a lot of them i don't want to paint all furries with the same broad brush but i think a lot of them yeah a lot of them do enjoy that part of it but it's it's other stuff too i would like to talk to

a furry though because a lot of them are non-sexual yeah they seem they seem they seem at least interesting they just want to be the animal that they're portraying yeah there's nothing wrong with it they're just like really grew up loving animals and they're just like one day I want to like be a wolf or a bear or something or a frog they put the

they're a frog and then they put the suit on and they're no longer themselves they're just like an animal being like there's nothing wrong with it oh okay I agree with the appeal to that yeah they go to conventions meet like minded people they can be anonymous because they're in the mask and stuff

yeah yeah I think they're pulling that Billy you make a lot of good points it sounds like you've really done your research on furries like you know a lot about it that's impressive you know the mascot community is a little different yeah don't call them mascots yeah that's kind of offensive the M word yeah yeah

is there a mascot for the furries ooh good question I think mascots that's like a term that they really don't like with a mascot it's like my my culture is not your costume if you're a furry yeah yeah wait so the mascots

are offended or the furries the furries that's cool yeah yeah they seem they seem interesting I would like to talk to one if you're a furry and you listen to this show let me know

we got furry listeners that's fire well they're kind of a little synonymous with the bronies fuck what's a brony now I'm just feeling old as shit I've never heard that in my life I don't know what that is either

The bronies are the bros that love My Little Pony, and some of them used to dress up as My Little Pony. Yo. Okay. So I had this, I saw this dude who was like a, he was a, he was a mass shooter. And this nigga was, he was like obsessed with My Little Pony. This is real shit. And he had a whole, like, documentary about his ascension into his mind state. And he was like obsessed with this one little pony.

But he was, like, obsessed with the show and shit. And he, like, used that character as, like, his, like, this is why I am doing what I'm doing. It was why it was a wild turn of it. Wait, he was saying that, like, my little pony made me shoot shit on. No, no, no, no. It was more so, like, he related to a character so much that, like, he embodied the personification of it. And so he just related to the character of how it was, like, always outcasted. And I mean, usually that's the tail, tell sign of, like, mass shooters, but it was just the specific, like, dark, I guess he just took to it so much that he just started to, like, it was just no talk about it.

But the interesting part of it was, like, he documented the entire process. So, like, he was, like, on the fence about it, and he documented it in his countdown in his days. And he had, like, blogged every single day of leading up to it. And it was just, it was wild. My pony was like the... Jesus. That's damnation. Yeah, it was wild, though.

It was wild. There's some other other bronies out there that kind of... It gets pretty close to some creepy stuff. Like, they dress up like a kid's toy and they like to interact with kids, that sort of thing. I feel like we don't talk as much about bronies as we used to. Like, bronies were... I feel like they were bigger in the mid-20 teens. I think they sort of went underground.

Yeah. I never heard. the bronies. Bronies, let's see. Yeah, they made a documentary about it and then the infatuation went away. It's not lit no more. Yeah.

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It's a fact. Before we get on the sovereign citizen stuff, let's go around the room. Big T, you teed off about anything? I'm sure I am. I exist in a constant state of teed off. They all just kind of run together. How are you feeling about your Falcons, by the way? I mean, they'll be the Falcons.

they'll go 7 and 10 and like should have been 11 and 6 and they're the Falcons it seems like you've kind of resigned yourself to Falcon this I don't really like I don't care about the falcons that much like after the Super Bowl they had one more year that they were still good and they should have beaten the Eagles in the playoffs and then after that they haven't been back and they've just been like mid to terrible so like how do you really like get up and I don't You got Heineke. It's true. Has there been any conversation yet about going to Heineke?

Or is everybody just dead set on Ritter? No, I think Desmond Ritter's supposed to have been like pretty good so far. I don't know. Okay. The NFL just doesn't do it for me as a whole. Yeah. There's no. Sorry to hear that.

You know, there's 16 games on, on a Sunday instead of 70. Like the, there's no rivalries. I don't care what any, there's, there are no rivalries in the United States. That's not true. They're just aren't. They're not true. Raven Steelers. That pales in comparison to any one of a dozen college football rivalries.

Okay, so I think that college football rivalries are more intense. Like at the highest, like Auburn, Alabama, they actually, like, want to kill each other. But I would say that there are definitely, there are huge rivalries in the NFL. They don't. Massive ones. They just, wait, you're saying college rivalries aren't like that? it's like you understand that like okay we go in against x and it's just you know the hype is bigger you know what I'm saying but like you don't want to kill the nigga you're thinking

from a from a player's perspective though fans it's completely different sorry but but no that that's what I'm saying like for people who live in Alabama like the result of that game affects their life tangibly for 364 days there means them to me. Right. No, but that is true. No, I get it. Yeah, I think college football, there's more loyalty because the workers don't have the rights that

they do in the NFL. I agree. Wait, parse that out for me? The reason why, like, college, like, sports. So, like, the reason why NFL doesn't feel as, like, rivalrous, is that a word, as college is, like, it did? Because NFL used to, right? You would agree like it used to, right?

Like, it used to be like those rivalries. But the reason why there was was because players weren't locked into, players had the free agency pool wasn't as what it was today. And so like players weren't bouncing around like that. Usually teams would resign the players and you still got that this guy versus that guy. You know what I mean? Yeah, I agree. I do think there's a level of the NFL's mercenaries.

That's what I'm saying. So just like the NBA, you would feel exactly the same. but probably to a larger extent whereas the NBA had there's no rivals in the NBA you're really just looking player versus player because they're just they're just moved that's just open borders right yeah but I would argue they have more freedom as workers they have a say in their working conditions they can choose you know their contracts are not as locked in and that's what I'm saying is in the in the NCAA players are more locked in than they are in the NFL and and players are more locked than NBA than they are in the NFL like so that that's why it feels like it's just I don't get

the same fit. And that end, the lineage of my grandpa went there. And, you know, I think that's more of it. Because the NCAA is getting that way. I mean, guys are changing schools every year going to three, four different schools. Now, though, you know, but like, yes. Traditionally, yeah, traditionally, it's not, it was not and really wasn't ever prevalent. And so the people, like, the, the, the, I went to Tennessee, I stayed in Tennessee to the end. I went to Ole Miss. I stayed to Ole Miss, you know what I'm saying, and that develops those rivalries, like for four years or for three years, these dudes that are nice, they're going to go at it. You know what I mean? Yeah, no, I agree with that. So in the NFL, what would you say are the most heated rivalries

if you were to rank them? I'll throw a few out there. Right now, right now it feels like Bengals' chiefs have a big rivalry because of recent history. They've got young quarterbacks. They're probably going to be playing against each other a bunch. I would say Bill's chiefs. Bill's Patriots, Raven Steelers, Bears, Packers, Seahawks 49ers, always a big rivalry. Interconference games are usually the rival. Yeah, Cowboys, right now it's probably Cowboys Eagles. So one that feels like it is, but it's not, is like the Cowboys and 49ers. Like the fandom of those two teams are so, like, written in history as far as like Cowboy fans or Cowboys.

with fans, 49ers fan, but when we played a cowboy, you know what I'm saying? That's, that's like one of the only, like, out-of-conference rival is that I can really... Oh, I mean, Saints Falcons. That one kind of approaches college football stuff, too, because that's college football times. It is. Exactly. It's like they're, uh, their hair of the dog that they do, you know? Yeah.

And if you, if you get hammered at night, best way to get that rid of that hangover, have one beer the next morning, maybe two beers. you like live and die by your college teams on Saturday. Well, we got Saints Falcons the next day. It's still a treat, still something that you look forward to. But yeah, you're right. It's the same people. Yeah, no, I think that's most.

And after Katrina, a ton of people from New Orleans moved to Atlanta. And I think that changed it a lot. And then, like, that was the first game back at the Superdome and stuff. Like, that's a good rivalry, I guess. Like, it's, you know, that's the Falcons rival. But that, watching those games does not hold a candle for me to watching Tennessee, Florida or, you know, Tennessee, Alabama, any one of those. Aaron, what was the fan breakdown of New Mexico when it came to NFL?

Oh, cowboy fans. All the biggest of cowboy fans, a bunch of cowboy fans, some 49ers. So you were at the battlegrounds of that rivalry. Yeah, because we was right next to Texas. Yeah. But I grew up an Oakland fan. Well, because there was the L.A. Raiders, and so my dad, he from South Central, LA so he liked the Raiders

and so I grew up you know like my dad so I used to love the Raiders and so I was a Raider fan growing up my brother was a 49 a fan but everybody else was Raider fan yeah but most people in New Mexico were Calbut fans and then some Bronco fans as well because that was right

by us Denver's like north of us so there's Bronco fans over there too I understand the massive appeal of the NFL for people who grew up maybe in the north or west coast to a lesser extent who like college football isn't a huge thing but like if you went to an SEC school or even like a big 10 school somewhere like that like the NFL just isn't the same it's interesting so your fandom is interesting

to me so it's not necessarily about i'm talking about your fandom right now it's not necessarily about like your love of the game necessarily well not take the back it's not necessarily about like the high quality of the game like the quality that's that's correct when people are like i would so much rather watch the NBA than college basketball because it's a thousand times better that means nothing to me got so your your your your draw is like the emotional uh i guess from the fandom point of view. Yeah, like, even, like, obviously Tennessee, I would rather watch a Tennessee basketball game

than an NBA game 11 times out 10. But even watching, like, Kansas and Duke play at Kansas, I would much rather watch that than an NBA game because, like, the students are on top of the court and it's crazy and there's a band. And, like, that atmosphere is so much better than, like, a Tuesday night Hornets Pacers game where, like, sure, those players are way.

better and they're going to make a lot more shots but like I don't care to watch that. That explains a lot actually. Yeah, I can appreciate that perspective. And I guess like I'm like the exact opposite. I want to see like the best quality gameplay. You know what I mean? Like I want to see like who's the best going after it. Like I would rather watch a college basketball game between.

two really good teams than two really shitty ones but I think that goes along with like the good teams are the ones that have the awesome atmospheres and like cool environments yeah I think I think so like from like a technical perspective it's really hard for me to watch bad ball like football in general like if if if if I see like bad ball game played like sloppy route running sloppy execution like just just it's just hard for me to watch and it's more likely to happen in college you know what I'm saying and in college is such a simple game as well so college is like I said this before it's like when you line up on the cards and scouting billy knows this like in scout team when you when you run it against the scout team in defense they do exactly

what the card said they was going to do like fucking textbook right and fucking that up is is is it's hard to watch for me but like in the NFL it's like this is this is cream of the crop you have This is one of the best 32 D-Ns in the league right now. I love to see, you know what I'm saying? I want to see them go against each other. I don't know. I feel you, though. Yeah, no, I for sure understand that from a player's perspective.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And like, even, like I said, like, if you grew up in, like, Boston, like, around the Patriots, like, there's no big time college football around Boston. Like, the Patriots are the thing. Like, that makes sense to me. Like, Boston College, Boston Collar got a nice little. They were good for one year when they had Matt Ryan. growing up around New York Army was our

like the closest thing to a hometown team like no one really rude for Syracuse downstate Rutgers was cracking with Ray Rice I remember that Yeah they break Shiano Yeah Yeah I don't know really have Syracuse

A little bit in the 90s No but like that doesn't have Tennessee in 1998 Is that McNabb? Yeah McNabb Yeah McNagrearred down Yeah

That's mostly students yeah Aaron had a question for you about about hard knocks that's not really about hard knocks it's about the jets then we'll get in a sovereign citizen shit

I had a theory yesterday because everyone's talking about how stacked the jets are with all these weapons they do have a lot of great weapons at skill positions really good wide receivers obviously Aaron Rogers good tight ends and they just

got two running backs so they got Brees Hall back from an ACL last year, and then they just signed Dalvin Cook, who's pretty good. Right now, their biggest weakness on the team is the offensive line. They're letting up a lot of pressures, a lot of sacks and their scrimmages in their preseason games. Their offensive line doesn't look good. My first theory on that was that maybe the offensive line is playing without any confidence because their defensive line is so good and they're deep and maybe practicing against

like a really, really outstanding defensive line is demoralizing if you're an offensive lineman. If you go against that every day, you get your ass kicked every day. That part might not be true, but the part that I think might be true is if they're already having offensive line issues, protection issues,

and they're getting two main sources of like, the guys who are going to be on the field at the running back position that haven't gone through training camp yet, haven't practiced, those guys are going to be, dicey at best at pass protection because they don't have any reps they haven't gone through camp yet is that going to make their past protection even worse that these guys are just coming

in like you know either off a long injury rehab assignment or um just being signed right now does it take a long time to learn past protection and to get in the groove as a running back i guess is what i'm asking it that's kind of contingent on a runner back um past protection is basically boiled down to this you have five man path protection six man patch protection seven man protection and sometimes eight um and that's like you have two routes run or one or two routes run right and so when you compartmentalize it like that no it's not hard but guys don't for my like from my perspective as running backs they don't they never attacked pass protection like that it was just like okay if you call this play this is what i got right

So it just depends on the player. I don't know how smart these cats are. It's not difficult. Press structure is not difficult to pick up. I think they could if the coach is any good, like the runnerback coach and an OC, like if they prioritize getting them cash ready mentally, they'll be fine. I don't think that'll be a problem. As far as the offensive line is concerned, honestly, Aaron Rogers has never been the hold-ed kind of quarterback.

So I would love to give him time because I think he's the greatest quarterback of all time. That's my opinion. It's a spicy take. No, it's not. To say that Aaron Rogers is the greatest quarterback of all time? Yeah. That's a spicy take. I think that's pretty hot, yeah.

Skill-wise, skill-wise, it's not. You're talking about the best. You're talking about the best quarterback. I do. Not the greatest. No. Yes. Yes.

Aryan. It's different. Those are different things? Aryan likes that criteria. Well, it's like. Tupac is my favorite rap of our time. But I think the best rap of all time is Jay-Z. I can parse out like accolades and what you've done for the culture and what, you know,

what your resume is versus like how you make me feel. Like there's a difference. Yeah, Tom Brady's won a fuckload of Super Bowls. Aaron Rogers won one. I agree. And I think, but I think if you give Aaron Rogers the tools that Tom Brady has had over his career, it's bar none. He'll do what he did and more probably.

That is. people are going to be bad let's go let's go let's go let's go let's go let's go let's go I don't care the despairy wear is always in my mind answer to it is answer me this answer me this answer me does Aaron Rogers I mean does Tom Brady have a better arm to Aaron Rogers no well maybe more maybe more accurate you could say he's hell no he does not have the arm talent that Aaron Rogers has I'll give you that that's my point that's my point does he have does he have the mobility that Aaron Rogers has okay what are we talking about uh there's a lot more that goes into playing quarterback than just

that give me one uh being able to make the right decision okay make decision making and you're saying that's Aaron rogers's problem is his decision no it's not a problem it's just Tom Brady is the greatest of all time to do that but this is what I'm but this what I'm saying like and this is where I was on the I amethy podcast and I got killed for this thing shit like we fall in love with the lore of hardware right but we forget that football is a two it's a it's a it's a two-sided sport you're not on the field for half the thing so to pretend like you have willed or one person has willed an entire organization this entire time it's just not accurate it's just it's not the thing don't give you wrong i think he's a great quarterback i don't i don't huh there's a w from you

i appreciate it i think he's i think he's a great quarterback i absolutely think he's a great quarterback. That's bar none, right? But there has been so much that has happened for a lot of those Super Bowls in order for them to get to the point that they got to. The breaks that they got sometimes is a lot of luck. He balled sometimes. Sometimes a defense. I think on a lot, I think on over half his Super Bowls, he had like one of the number one or like top five defenses in the league. Superior run, not superior. Great run game when it when it was needed. All of that. Aaron Rogers has never had the weapons, has never had the weapons. And when he, and when he did, he showed up. He did what he had to do. I'll side with you on this. I don't think

that, I don't think that the Patriots would have scored, what was it, 10 points in the Super Bowl against the Giants when they had the undefeated season. If they had Aaron Rogers, probably would score a little bit more than that. It was a bad game from Tom. It is a two-sided game. That's fair. And there's a lot of variables that go into who your players are. And, the quarterback like judging a quarterback strictly by wins is pretty foolish to do overall but he's won six more Super Bowls six more Super Bowls again yeah yeah absolutely I can't that's right Tom Brady won seven right and I'm not saying that they're six he won six excuse me he's won five more Super Bowls than Aaron Rogers I'm not I'm not I'm not I'm not

comparing their their resumes but robber ori has like seven finals yeah greatest basketball player ever you would think right all all i'm saying is in in football there's so much more variables that to take into account other than the quarterback position it's marketed that way it's absolutely marketed that way but it's just not the case like Peyton manning right everybody like he had two super bowls on his on his last super bowl he had a horrible game bad he was bad that whole season yeah he can it was his defense he had a crazy defense but like he gets accredited for that super bowl tom brady the same bro like if if that tuck rule wasn't that like they don't win that super bowl like there's there's various different things that happens

throughout the course of and i don't get like i said the premise i don't want the spare where is to talk to me man because i'm not answering you but he is a great quarterback but to pretend like there aren't other variables involved, it's just not, it's just not an honest conversation. It's just not an honest conversation. I think you can acknowledge the fact that there are a lot of variables

and still say that Tom Brady is a greater quarterback than Aaron Rogers. And I would just, that is true. Because when you measure, because when you measure actual tangible attributes, we would, we would both agree Aaron Rogers far,

far surpasses Tom Brady in quarterback. Well, no, because I think that that vision, decision making managing the game correctly especially in crunch time situations I think you could say that those are all those are things that you can look at and evaluate

but it's not just I'm not talking about the it factor which I love to say like well he's got the it factor but clutch yeah clutch gene he's got the clutch same shit to me all that is advertising all that shit is advertising for somebody who has played the game it's just advertising so when you look at

you think decision making is advertising like that's an actual thing No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, what I'm saying. I think, I think Tom Brady has to have better weapons. I think he's had better weapons. I think he's had better coaching. I think he's had better management. I think he's had better defenses. I think he's had better run game.

All of that. And all of that matters. Wait, but speaking of weapons, the Patriots have, okay, like, what weapons would you say that Tom Brady had that? Randy didn't have an equal? A Hall of Fame. A Hall of Fame tied in. A Hall of Fame tied end.

Yeah, two great tight ends. Pro Bowl wide receivers. Judge the art, not the artist. Time after time after time. James Devlin, one of the best fullbacks to ever play the position. Yeah, he had very solid running backs. Wes Welker. Killer O'Liaman, like, and a great defenses.

He's had great defense. Julian Edelman, Chad Ocho Cinco. Remember that? Yeah. He played for the Patriots? He played for the Patriots, I think, one season. That was at the end of his. He, um, I, I, he had like,

Brandon Lloyd, bro, Brandon Lloyd, I think he had like a 13-100-yard season where it's like Brandon Lewis, but, like, and listen, I'm saying, to say that Tom Brady had weapons, like, to the sperry world, be like, you're just a hater. You know, whatever. Like, listen, Tom Brady's a great quarterback. Tom Brady's a great quarterback. He is. I guess, cut the games.

But I don't think he was the most talented quarterback that this league has seen. I just I just that's just my opinion I think quarterbacks have had better arms better movements I mean decision making is a very arbitrary um metric yeah but when you make the right decisions all the time all the time then you can say okay this guy understands the game at a level that other guys don't he doesn't he's one playoff games where he's thrown two or three picks he's one playoff games where he threw for 100 yards he's when super bowl's way through for 100 yards so it's like when you win. You know what I mean?

Your stats are in front of like Dan Marino if he won two Super Bowls would be in the conversation as goat. Absolutely. Two or three Super Bowl. He would absolutely be in that conversation. But he didn't have the other intangibles on his team to say that Dan Marino didn't win a Super Bowl because of Dan Marino is wild. 28 to 3 though.

Huh? 28 to 3. Sorry, big two. I mean, that was Kyle Shanahan's fault, not anything that Tom Brady did. Yeah, that's it. Tom Brady threw a pick six in that game. That is another variable right. there. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. And so like the history gets

flipped in people's minds because of the wins, which don't even wrong. They still won. And he did what he had to do at the end of the game, which is another attribute. I agree. I just think that there have been more talented cats. And then what really gets people mad is like Tom Brady's mentioned with the greatest athletes of all time. And then that's when I'm really like, go get the fuck out of here, dog. Because then we just, how are we define an athlete? because secretary I seen with my eyes Barry Sanders

and there's very few humans on this earth that could do what that man did with his body fam and it's just not the same but when you're talking about this is and but this again like you know I'm going off on the tangent

I apologize but again when we talk about quarterbacks they don't play the same sport as everybody else they play an entirely different sport especially in this era but I digress Chad Kelly maybe the best quarterback ever to play yeah if we're talking

on on tangibles and Zach Wilson intangibles can throw the ball crazy places again he made yeah very

absolutely crazy bros bro like Aaron Rogers is accurate he's precise he has good decision making he can he's mobile if you were to draw

a quarterback it would be Aaron Rogers dog I'm like it's he's just the best quarterback that has ever played his game to me.

Tom Brady's taller, too. That's a tangible. Is it? Yeah. You can measure that. But is it? Is he? Okay.

Yeah, he's taller, which makes a difference. Actually, eye height makes a difference, not the top of your head. Spread the word. Let's talk about sovereign citizens. Let's do it. True patriots, sovereign citizens. Real quick. Please do not add me with your quarterback, Tom Brady.

Oh, no, you've done it. I enjoy, I enjoy X.com. I like tweeting. I like seeing what people are talking about. Don't at me. I don't care. I'm not going to respond to you. I don't care about this time.

Brady, take, I promise. You should actually, that might be fun for you, though. It might, it might be cathartic for you to spend an afternoon just arguing online against Patriots fans about who's better.

I promise. I promise it won't. I promise it won't. I promise I don't care. You're not going to change my mind and I'm not going to change yours. Let me ask you this. I think this is an interesting question.

Okay. Who was better? at their position, Tom Brady or you? Tom Brady. Okay. I was really hoping you'd say you. That would have been a great quote card. We play different sports.

The argument for Aaron Rogers is the same argument for you. That's why I love you. I love how you're going at it. But no, football fans do care too much about Super Bowls when it's the, I would say, the sport where an individual. has the second least amount of impact. Quarterback Moore's baseball. Angels have two of the five best players of baseball.

They're terrible. Yeah, okay. Like basketball should be judged on championships because one player can damn near win a championship alone if they're good enough. I tell the back. Basketball should be judged on championships to a certain extent. Yes, not solely, but I understand that being part of the conversation in a sport where like LeBron nearly won a title by himself.

Yeah. Like when you're talking about top 10, championships are absolutely a factor. Right. But when you're talking about like just the greatest of all time, like Charles Barkley, absolutely one of the greatest fours of all time. But he played in the Jordan ever. You know what you're saying that you can do. That's what it is.

Like when you start talking about the top 10, yeah, man, like they matter. Yeah. But I said that to say that football fans, I feel like bring that up like more than anybody, particularly about quarterbacks when there are so many variables that go into winning one football game, let alone an entire season's worth and Super Bowl.

Wait, Aaron, I want to just pull on this thread a little bit more. Your greatest quarterbacks of all time. Aaron Rogers, number one. Is Tom Brady not number two? Oh, shit. I just don't want to misspeak. Let me think.

Yeah, take your time. Let me get my dot, dot, dot, dots on. As of right now in this moment, yeah. You know, I haven't sat down and gave it like serious thought on my number two. We can throw out a couple names. Let's do it. Okay. Peyton Manning.

Okay. I would say, I would say, I would say, I would say Penn Manor has a better arm than Tom Brady as well. Let's go. Let's go. Wait, wait, I got to disagree with that. I think Tom Brady's thrown way more consistently. throughout his career than Peyton Manning did. Well, okay, so if we're measuring consistency,

I would say, okay, Tom Brady's more consistent than Peyton Manning. But what I would say is the highs to me are higher for Peyton Manning, meaning what you'd get from Peyton Manning is higher than what you'd get from Tom Brady. What about Patrick Mahomes? I think he's more talented to Tom Brady, absolutely. But we're talking the best quarterbacks of all time. this is what I'm asking you so what is what I'm saying I think he has more talent I think you'd agree with me too that he has more talent than Tom Brady you wouldn't agree with that

Josh Allen yeah well hold on let me hold you to that yeah would you agree with that I think that Patrick Mahomes has more physical talent than Tom Brady yes okay okay okay okay okay as long you're on the same page okay but I know I just want to get by your definition the best quarterbacks to ever play football yeah I mean a lot more goes into it then just like you said. A lot more goes into it than just arm strength and armed talent and all that. A lot more goes into that. But I think, I think when it's all said and done, Patrick Mahomes might be the greatest quarterback of all that. It's possible. He goes on this trajectory and stops doing commercials. All right. We'll just make a, we'll make a graphic card saying Aaron Foster's

greatest quarterbacks of all time. Fuck PFT. Number one, Aaron Rogers. Number two, Tom Brady. No. Don't make me no graphic card. I don't want no grab a car You want to promote the show or not You said it Stand by it Hey I'm just a regular guy With regular opinion

You're being a coward Talking football with the fellas No you're not I don't want no problems I want to play versus both of them I don't want no problems Yes I have one versus both of them too

Oh really? Yeah Oh yeah The letterman jacket I dominated the game Yeah Hell yeah Absolutely

So I had a game win a touchdown Against Tom Brady had like 120 and two tug and then against Peyton Manning had like 2.30 and 3 tug. That has been pretty good though. While we're talking about

this kind of thing, I have one more that you just brought up and then we'll do this very quickly. I think touchdowns are very overrated as an individual statistic. I agree. I agree. For receivers more than running backs. I'm going to talk, but this is a wild take. So, go ahead. So Julio Jones,

this was always his big. gripe against him was he would he would have a 40-yard catch to get them into the red zone, then he'd get double-teamed and didn't score touchdowns very often. That's a different claim. Hold on, hold on, hold. That's a different claim saying

having touchdowns is overrated is different from not having touchdowns. Because I agree with you. I am saying the latter. Yeah, you're saying, yeah, you're saying not having touchdowns is overrated. I agree with that. I agree with that.

But that doesn't mean that getting touchdowns is overrated. No, I'm not. I'm not saying that. I'm saying when people have arguments about individual players and they bring up touchdowns all the time, I think that's not necessarily indicative of how good those players are. Agreed because that has to do with like scheme. That has to do with a lot of different factors can be involved in that. Because like, so like for Andre Johnson, for example, right, to me is one of the greatest wide receivers I've ever played the game.

But his touchdowns aren't like super big because when he got into red zone, they really didn't have had to quarterbacks and they didn't really throw a fade like that. You know what I mean? So he didn't have a lot of that action. And so his touchdowns suffer in that category. But he was absolutely one of the best wide receivers ever played a game. I agree with you. Yeah, like 2015, Julio Jones had 1,900 yards and eight touchdowns. Yep.

But I'm with you. I feel like touchdowns are indicative of route running in a smaller space almost. No. Because no, but reds like, think about route running in the red zone. But again, it has to do a scheme. It has to do. Who else? Like, hold on.

Who is Julio Jones's running back during that tenure? 2015, was that? And what was this? Devante Freeman? Was that too late for Michael Turner? Turner was gone after like 12 or 13. I think that was Devante Freeman's rookie year. And what did he have?

Hold, please. That would be interesting. I guarantee they got it somehow, some way. And I don't think, I don't think that's an indictment on Julio Jones's route running because he was a really good route runner. Devante Freeman had 11 touchdowns in 2015. That's what I'm saying. That's a scheme thing.

They would rather punch it in rather than give them the fade or whatever the case may be. Right. That is not an indictment of Holyo Jones. What that's saying is, if you have 1,900 yards and 8 touchdowns, that means you got it on your own. You didn't get no help from your coaches. Like a lot of the time, I was mad as fuck one time. We was playing the Raiders, and I had like a 20-yard run. run and then like, I don't know, like a 60 yard run and they called me down at the one

yard line and then they dialed up this play for J.J. Watt to score like, you know, like some tight-in slip screen where they faked it to me. And I was like, good American touch. Like, I put it in good old America. Like I put us here. Like, you know what I said? At the end of the day, I don't go fuck about shit like that. But like that shit matters like in a real sense, right? Like all the jokes aside, when you talk about like contracts getting brought up and when you talk about like money getting on the table and you bang it for your spot to get paid, they absolutely have your stats pulled up. Absolutely.

And so when you say, okay, you had 1,900 yards or you had 1,400 yards, but you only had 8 touchdown. You know what I'm saying? That productivity is actually thrown in the pool as to how much they should justify to pay you. So like whereas like arbitrarily it doesn't really, you know, it doesn't affect me as a human being. I'm not like mad at it on something. Like, man, fuck that shit. But at the end of the day, like realistically, it has real implications through player contracts. Like, that's a real, that's a real thing.

But hold on conversation. But I understand what you're saying, Vick D. I'm with you a thousand percent on that. I think touchdowns are overrated for running backs. How about that? Nope. Well, you just dismissively, derisively even, said Julio Jones could get like an 80-yard catch, and then they give it to somebody else to punch it in.

You just punch the ball in. but just punched the ball in is there so i i think so like when you measure with running backs right so another one another stat that i think is overrated is uh yards per carry this is the reasons why if if you have 56 yards rushing 30 30 rush attempts and three touchdowns i would say you have a point but over the course of the year that usually evens out right around anywhere from four to five yards per carry 10 plus touchdowns you're doing what you're supposed to be doing you do absolutely doing what's supposed to be doing also every other running back is competing with the same metric so you can compare apples to apples on that one I mean yes and

no that's what I say like variables matter man like all this shit all this shit matters man like and that's why football such a silly silly to like barbershop talk about because like I got When you see behind the scenes as far as like, I remember my second year in the league when I led the league in Russian, my last game I had 180 yards against Jacksonville, right? I had 180 yards and we was on the sidelines and the game was over. We was done. And I hear people on the sideline like, how much does he need? How much does he need it? I didn't even know it was a thing.

they wanted me to break the record for undrafted running backs rushing and it was like you only need like other thing was like three or four yards and so they put me back in the game to go break the record that type shit happens you know what I'm saying and so it's like there's a lot of politics involved in shit like this and also I've seen it on the other side where cats where cats go and they need to they need 20 yards they need a touchdown to get an incentive

and they contract and they get sat and they don't get and they don't get and they don't get and the coaches don't play them so i've seen i've seen it like on both sides of the coins where it's like that's why like a lot of this shit to me is just like foo-foo because it just depends a lot of the shit is just there's so many variables and so many strings being pulled it's just it's a show man it's entertainment at the end of the day not scripted but it's definitely you know people have decisions to make i think this is uh my favorite stat line maybe in sports history Bettis in one game had five rush attempts for one yard and three touchdowns that was towards the end of his career yeah don't do the bus like no he was a goal yeah Jerome Bettis was a good

running back he was he was great he was great he was great but he had 0.2 yards per attempt at three touchdowns five carries pretty good you know what that was that was bill cower and that organization I fuck with you as a human yeah do staley must be it's just it's If you guys has them. If you've done his has them. Yep. He on the heat because he's a good dude. Yep.

They love him. Imagine playing somebody in fantasy that week who you lose by like four points and they're running back at a yard but got 18 points because he got three touchdown. Yeah, you would have to quit fantasy. I actually want to talk to Duce Staley about that and see how he felt after that game. Do you know what his stats were that game? I don't. Can you look it up?

What game was it? It was against the Raiders. Steelers Raiders 2004 I believe Let's see what Let's see what old Deuce put up there Then we're going to get into sovereign citizens I love these guys Duce Staley had 24 carries for 91 yards

Yeah and no touchdowns right Correct Yeah I'd be pissed off after that Damn Very upset But again so That's why YPC is to me is overrated You'll have

You'll have cats who aren't short yarders backs. Not saying do steady words it, but I'm saying like in general, you'll have like your long hitters, but you'll have cats who like in between the tackles when it's third and one, fourth and one, third and two. They just not built like that. They won't get those carriers.

They'll bring somebody else in. And then that dude will have a three-yard carry average, four-yard-carrier average. Because they always get in the ball when there's eight, nine men in the box. The other cat, he's getting the ball when there's five, six men in the box, dime nickel defenses and you're getting off tackle runs and shotgun you know what i mean and it's just a lot like stats can be inflated man so that's why when we look at it like that uh old

john coon if you if you need one yard he'll get you three if you need five yards he'll get you three it's a fullback for packers one yeah yeah he ended his career with a perfect 3.0 yards per carry too that's exactly what you want out of your fullback position um all right sovereign citizens guys, I found a great resource for sovereign citizens. And if you're not familiar with who they are, you can find endless amounts of online content of sovereign citizens, arguing with police officers, arguing in court, basically saying that they're not subject to the laws of the United States. They're subject to common law, using all the technicalities in the world to get off of things from not having a license plate on the back of their car to the most recent guy in that

tragic case on the Christmas Day parade where he drove into a crowd and killed people and that content and his trial is all over YouTube right now. I've watched almost all of that trial footage. I start off by saying it's sad

that people lost their lives. Like that that's never a good thing. But it might be some of the most entertaining shit in the world watching him argue with that judge who had the patience of Joe. Yes. Bro. oh my gosh shout out to that judge but it is so funny watching him and her interact like i recommend

it again very sad situation i would not downplay to you know impact of that but my god is that shit funny he like refused to admit that his name yeah that he was his name he wouldn't respond to it yeah that's not me i didn't i didn't realize how dangerous is that a lawful order is that is that a lawful law i want to speak to your supervisor yeah that guy crazy. I wonder how he's doing in prison. Yeah, he's definitely right. I didn't realize how dangerous these guys were.

So law enforcement, there was a survey amongst them of who the greatest threat to their safety was out of a couple of groups from like the Southern Poverty Law Center. Number one was sovereign citizens over Islamic extremism, over

white nationalists, over militias and shit. I was like, what the fuck? Like, and then I found all these training videos from different law enforcement agencies to be distributed amongst cops that, like, educate you on the terminology they'll try to use so you can spot them before something bad happens. And like, there's been so many instances of these guys like killing people. Yeah. And also, I think if you were to ask police officers, they'd probably answer that first because they're by far the most annoying people that they have to deal with on the job. Like,

You can't. There's no way to reason with them or interact with sovereign citizens. They just kind of like Stonewall. You see Capp's probably hate them for that reason too. I looked up, I did some research here and I found a great resource and it's awesome because it's a paper that was from a UNC government class. And it says at the end, this paper may be used for educational purposes without permission. So I don't need, I don't need your permission. Okay. It's from UNC Chapel Hill and it was written up as kind of like a training guide for law enforcement because for a long time they didn't really have they didn't educate officers on how to deal with with sovereign citizens um but i'm going to read from that real quick a sovereign citizen is a catch-all phrase

referring to a variety of anti-government individuals and groups who share some common beliefs and behaviors the organizations to which many sovereign citizens belong have a variety of names the moorish nation the aware group the washita nation the north carolina americans Republican Republic, the Republic of the United States of America. The same views may be embraced by Freeman, Freeman on the land, sons of liberty, and the Aryan nation. Many sovereign citizens may not affiliate with any of those groups. In one way or another, though, all sovereign citizens, whether tied to an organization or not, adhere to a view that the existing American governmental structure, including the courts and law enforcement, is illegitimate, and that they,

the sovereign citizens retain an individual common law identity exempting them from the authority of those fraudulent government institutions. Basically saying, I'm not a part of your game. I happen to live here. I'm just a traveler. I'm, I'm my own person. I'm not subject to your laws. And the crazy thing is like sometimes they're able to argue it. And sometimes they end up winning in court. But basically it's a bunch of people that hate getting traffic tickets and then love to document their different strategies and uses to get out of getting traffic tickets. I'm from from my research I saw that there was three different types of sovereign citizens constitutionally sovereign citizens which are saying that only the law is constitutional so

because like traffic tickets aren't in the constitution police stuff isn't in the constitution all the stuff like if it's not in the constitution it doesn't mean shit and then there's religiously respect that yeah then there's religiously sovereign guys who are like if it's not in the Bible it doesn't mean shit like they religious laws and then there's diplomatic sovereigns which I kind of like I mean I mean they're dangerous people but out of all the concepts just saying that you're a foreign national is like hilarious like saying you're part of a different native or whatever nation that they identify with be it like a native American nation or an original people's type thing or saying like I'm a original

Israel like some weird affiliation and then just saying I'm a foreign I'm a foreign national I have diplomatic immunity that's my favorite just like walking into something like like rob a bank I have diplomatic immunity yeah just so on the radio station in Austin that I used to listen to that had Alex Jones on at midday in the morning they would have this this old crank I think she was in like Missouri or somewhere and basically her whole show was various sovereign citizens calling up to give tips on how to get out of speeding tickets and all these guys were like

at best batting about like 15% in court and they were all like in dire financial situations because they were so much money but they just refused to give up the idea that they could get away with being sovereign citizens they're very funny they make their own driver's license they make their own excuse me their own else

they create their own vehicle tags so you might find you might see pictures or maybe you've seen a car driving down the street before and the license plate instead of saying the state that you're in a bunch of numbers, it just says private traveler on it. So they make their own license plates, which is just a blinking red sign to get pulled over. It's like if they really didn't want to have to deal with police officers in their day-to-day lives, there's a very easy way to reduce the number of encounters that you have with a cop if you're a sovereign citizen.

And that's just to pay 50 bucks or whatever and get a license plate. No, I disagree with you, though. That those are the guys that actually mean it. Like, if you're getting an Illinois license play and driving around with that, you're not a sovereign citizen, you're not committed to the game. You're playing their game. Yeah. And then on the off chance, you get in trouble, then you pull that card.

The guys run around with personal traveler, they believe this shit. Do you think that they like getting pulled over because they get to create content out of it? I think that a lot of... Probably some of them. Yeah, they're looking for, you know, some stimulating. they're looking for an argument their belief system is pretty ridiculous they believe that you have two selves you have your flesh and blood self and a straw man which is created when you're born and it's created by getting a birth certificate so like burning the birth certificate is a big thing for them because that was the creation of their straw man paper identity in which the corporate the corporation which they think the u.s government is like creates their their fake body in order to control them and like in order to really be free you have to destroy all paperwork related to your identification like social security uh your birth certificate

but also you can never get a document that solidifies you are a person in the face of the government because that means then you're not like a real free person it's it's a wild belief system i kind of i kind of follow that logic a little bit though so i was going to say hey okay okay talk that shit because i was going to say too this is kind it's it's very libertarian so it's right up big t and you billy it's right up your lane i uh i was you know i was uh i was saying like hey having no laws like fuck the law type feeling but the origins of this whole movement have a pretty dark place but okay so you're born you're a person right i don't know if that i they probably don't use the word person but you're born and your being

and all the laws that you have to abide by come from a contract that you have to enter into at some point with the government and part of that contract is you get some advantages, you get things built for you, you get services, you get the fire department come to your house

if it catches on fire, you get police if you need security in some places. You get, there's certain things that you get schools. You pay for all those things, by the way. Yeah, but it's part of the contract that you enter into as a citizen in that country, I also say, I don't think that once you get the birth certificate, once you're

in the system, you shouldn't be allowed to burn it. You're already, now you're part of the system. If you, if your parents never give you a birth certificate, yeah, I'm down with that. You can be a sovereign citizen if your parents are so right or die that they're like, we're not giving a birth certificate to our child. Well, so that's what I was going to say is you, to play devil's advocate, I find most of this ridiculous. But I do think there's an interesting. angle to you're born you have to yeah you have to you're born you are immediately assigned a literal number that's tied to your name for your entire life that basically puts you in the system and there's no you have no recourse to like it's not like you're born and then when you're

18 they're like okay you've you've experienced things do you want to you can continue and you can pay taxes and you can get all this stuff or you can choose to like you can go somewhere where the sovereign citizens live or you can do whatever there's none of that it's from the day you're born it's you're you're in the system and that's it so there's not even really an option to there it yeah well the thing is a lot of these people who believe this stuff make sure that their kids are born outside of the hospital system and like indoctrinate their children and i saw a crazy fucking video and the best way to sum up how indoctrinated these people get their kids is in West Arkansas, two police officers pull over one of these sovereign citizens.

The guy's giving him the whole runaround, giving him, like a lot of them will give them handfuls of documents and be like, are you a peace officer or police officer? Like, I'm a willful traveler. Give him the whole run around. And the guy, they take the guy, the father out of the vehicle. And the kid pulls a fucking AK-47 from the back seat and sprays both officers. And what are you watching? I'm watching researching.

sovereign citizens. They're a very dangerous group. What website was that on? This was on YouTube in an officer training video. I've actually seen this before. It's like a pretty famous case. Yeah. It's shocking. In 2010. And like this kid's been born out of the system.

He's been indoctrinated and he probably looked 12 years old, pulled an AK-47 out while his dad's getting like detained, like detained and searched and literally sprays both officers. Like what like that's in like just crazy about how

like off the grid these guys are that has nothing to do with off the grid dog that has that is mental issues when a 12 year old like thinks it's okay to shoot two police police officers because their fathers indocturing them from a young age that they're enemies

that's a mental it is there's a mental problem going on there yeah start with the father yeah but yeah they say what is it So in the Declaration of Independence, it says governments are instituted among men deriving their powers from the consent of the governed. And so they take that phrase from the Declaration of Independence and they say, if I don't give consent, then you don't have no right to govern me.

govern me so that's that's that's like their their basic argument and and these if anybody's ever see so there's mad youtube uh videos of these it's like watching a train wreck i have watched hours of compilations before this before researching this show of of uh of sovereign sentences and it is it's just some of the most funny stuff in the world because to think so like so like to big team's point, right? Like, I get, I get the, I get the notion of, like, entering into this shit and I didn't have a, I don't have a choice in this, right? Like, I get that notion, but like, once you kind of understand how the world works, like, you, you, you, you, you don't have a choice. This is, this is, this is the way the world works. Just like, you don't have a

choice if you want to eat or not. It was laid out before you that you have to consume energy. It just is what it is. That's how life works. And in order, they, they want to change the system so radically in the most hilarious way that it is just pure entertainment. Look at these people and it's fun. And it's sad in some cases because they take it to the extreme of

like killing people and shit. But aside from that, comedy. Straight comedy. The other thing they point to is they say that everyone became lost their sovereignty after the 14th Amendment. That was another big

because in it in the 14th amendment they say all persons born are naturalized in the united states and subject to the jurisdiction thereof are citizens of the united states and of the states wherein they reside whereas before they thought they were just citizens of the states of the 14th amendment uh made them citizens of the united states a federal system which they weren't before and then they said that that federal system became a corporation that's enslaving everyone for tax dollars And the origins of all that was in, like, the 1960s, a Christian white supremacist group called the Posse Comitatus. I believe that there was a global Jewish conspiracy that bought the country. And part of it was like, it was just a corporation and they're being slaves. Yeah. And taxation was slavery. They also sometimes fill out official paperwork in red ink because they think that red Inc. means that it's not an official document. So they think that that will get them off all the

charges. They also think that they can lay claim to vast sums of money held by the United States Treasury based on the premise that the government has secretly pledged them as security for the country's debts. So they just try to like file liens against people and against the federal government and just try to get money from the U.S. Treasury being like, that's my money. Give it to me. Usually doesn't work in fact it it never works um so yeah they are the videos are so funny too because they get pulled over and you can spot within usually like i don't know two seconds if the guy's going to be a sovereign citizen yeah i think tim thomas the goaltender for the boston bruins was a sovereign citizen that checks out remember him yeah yeah he refused to go to the white house

yep yeah he was the first that's right who's president was that obama yeah but i don't think it had anything to do with like Democrat first Republican. I think he was just like I don't recognize the White House as having any authority over me. I thought he said something about Obama, but either way. Yeah, he, he probably didn't like Obama. That's probably part of it. Yeah. But he was, he was, he was, he was, he was really the first guy to do something like that. Good friends with Ron Rusillo went to college together. Did not know that. Sillow might be a sovereign citizen. I'll have to ask him. Hmm. Uh, so although the myriad sovereign citizen groups and individuals is not tied to a particular group, all have their own idiosyncrasies and their beliefs they

tend to share some common ideas. The first is that there are two classes of citizens within the United States. One class is sovereign or de jour citizens or original citizens of the states. The second class, as Billy mentioned, first created by the 14th Amendment, is federal or U.S. citizens. Sovereign citizens enjoy all the rights of the Constitution, but federal citizens do not. federal citizens the sovereigns believe have bargained away their freedoms by accepting benefits from the United States government much of what sovereigns do is intended to rescind or denounce that federal citizenship and reclaim their common law sovereign citizen status within all its rights that helps explain why they refuse to get driver's licenses ls or register vehicles

reject social security avoid using zip codes and may not pay taxes and one thing that they do that rocks by the way is if there's a house that's just empty they'll just show up and claim squatters rights on it and they're just like this house belongs to me now are hilarious too it's probably not that funny if it's your house and you still own it but if it's a house that's in foreclosure

or belongs to a bank I wish them all the luck in the world just like setting up a folding chair inside the house and saying this belongs to me I will not reject any other ownership of it you know what's really funny there's a dude you can hire if you have squatters in your house to go live with the squatters and bother them so much that they move out how do you do that so he just goes in and he's like oh i'm i'm living here too and they're like no you're not he's just like yeah i am and then he like keeps them up all night i bet i bet frank

the tank would be really good at that job yeah just show up and and put put a met's game on Just a loop of Mets Dolphins games back to back to back to back to back and just have him go nuts. But loki, like, that's, that is the, that is, that is the, that is the, the libertarian dream world. And why libertarians are hilarious to me. Me and Billy kind of had a conversation about this earlier, but like, in a libertarian world, that is, that is the outcome. The outcome is, I'm in this house, it's mine now. And somebody else saying, no, it's not. and that's how that how that parses out that's how it parses out but that is that is that is that is that is that is the dream world of the libertarian no government overreach none you know what we thought of this how we settle this shit i'll give it up to sovereign citizens i'm i'm definitely a sheeple we're all big time sheeple yeah the government says jump we say how high i've got a driver's license i registered a car i use zip codes i write in the link

You know, have you seen the Libertarian presidential debate? Yeah. Where they were sitting there talking about driver's licenses. And the one dude, I think it was Gary Johnson from New Mexico. He was like, and they were like, I know everybody else was like, no, I don't need a driver's license. What's next? I need a damn license to toast my toast. And they air the crowd goes crazy.

And then Gary Johnson was like, I mean, I don't know. I would like to see some kind of competency in order to operate a vehicle of that capacity. and the whole crowd just starts booing. That's great. Can we make a clip of that and then put in the libertarian debate? It's so funny because he's like he doesn't want to say that we should have driver's licenses, but he knows that like at the end of the day, if he's running for serious office, he has to like throw a bone to the mask and be like, yeah, you should, you should

have to pass a driving test to drive. It's like some kind of competency in order to operate a vehicle. of that sort and everybody's like boo get the fuck off the stage fuck out of here bro it's funny like if you have a debate that between sovereign citizens that are both

I guess they would never run for like state office but hardcore true blood libertarians a debate amongst them could never progress past anything you can't you can never get anything done you have to be able to if you're a libertarian

you want to get elected to office, you still have to, like, have some modicum of going against everything that you pretend to be as a libertarian. Well, it would boil down to, like, not in the political theory sense, but just in the colloquial sense of, like, anarchy. And, like, whoever has the biggest army. Because you have to, like, in our world, property rights, for example, like, property it has to be adjudicated.

Like, this is my property. and I bought it, you know, and I have a lease. I mean, I have the, it's contractually owned by me, protected by the state. Libertarians don't believe in like government overreach. And that's the funny thing by libertarians is like, everybody has their own idea of like, what government overreach means. But like, police, that's government, court systems, that's government. Would you have your own separate courts for each neighborhood?

And then if I have a property, who's to say it's your property? You have to adjudicate that. And the only way to adjudicate that without a court system that has government involved, whoever has the bigger army. The government is just monopoly of violence. And it is. But it's true. And I agree with that.

In order to exist in a society, you have to agree to some kind of violent, contract of consequence and it doesn't have to be physical violence it could be it's a threat of physical violence always but it's like jail that's that's the threat of violence it's like if you don't go to jail we will physically remove you from your home and you will go to jail that's physical violence you know what I mean like so all of that is contractually agreed by this society and we agree that that has that has to take place and libertarians would argue that it doesn't and I I kind of agree to a certain extent that it does

and where I would part ways with most people. It's like what does it take to get to that point? But it's an interesting argument, especially when you hear a libertarian talk about it. It's very interesting. Yeah, they also

they refuse to identify themselves, so they call themselves sometimes John Doe. Sometimes they call themselves John Doe, executive trustee for the private contract trust known as John Doe. I like that. Yeah.

That's good. I mean, some of these arguments. First of his name. Yeah. Refuser of L's. John Doe secured party authorized representative attorney in fact in behalf of John Doe with a C with a circle around it. That's a longer one. Sometimes they use the prefix noble or that's cool too.

That's good. Or the suffix Bay or El Bay. Bay. Yeah. That's got to be new. B. No, B-E-Y. Oh, that has got to be new.

The Beehive? Yeah. To avoid inadvertent submission to the false government, the sovereign citizen may use red ink, add thumbprints to documents, put the zip code in brackets or say, near as part of the address. So they write their address, but then just put near next to it. I would, uh, some of these arguments wouldn't probably get you out of a speeding ticket. It probably get escalated. but an open container on the subway being like, I don't consent to your authority,

like probably would get you nowhere, but it might work. It might work. So they do move into houses that are foreclosed and abandoned, which is awesome. So what they do is they move in, they have utilities turned on, then they file documents that they believe confirmed

the new ownership of the property, and then they just don't move out and they wait for somebody to try to evict them. And they basically bank on, on people just getting so frustrated with dealing with them that they quit. Do, yeah, paper terrorism is what they call it. But do they pay for the utilities? That's why the only thing, do they participate in, in, you know, buying and selling goods?

Yeah, I don't know. If you get, if you get gas and it's coming from like a city or the water comes from the city or the local municipality and then you pay American currency for it, I feel like you're, you're being picky and choosy with which parts of the government that you're respecting like the utilities thing like if they're setting up utilities like that in itself I think it's probably like they're thing like we have to do this because of the evil system and we shouldn't have to do this but we have to survive okay so I actually don't think that paying money would be entering into that contract because you're saying this person that puts value on it, I don't necessarily, but if you ever, if you ever get money,

if you ever have money, then you're benefiting from that contract. And so that would put you at odds with what your true belief should be, which is the government has no authority whatsoever. Isn't there a, a group of them that live in the desert? I'm sure. Yeah. That there's like a country. within US the Republic of Molossia yeah are they they live near Dayton Nevada

the micro nation is not received recognition from any member state of the United Nations okay he pays property taxes okay so he's not phony sell out yeah Melossia so this dude Kevin Baugh

I think he just participates and he's doing it all for sham they uh they don't call their cars or their vehicles cars they call them conveyances when they when they do that oh can you prove that i'm that i'm that i'm driving and they're like yeah they're like nope i'm traveling i'm traveling james hardin might be a sovereign citizen That was a cheap shot. I kind of respect just trying shit that, like, a six-year-old would do on, like, the government.

Yeah. Just being like, nah-uh. Yeah. I don't agree to that premise. So it's a non-starter. No, that, Big T, you put it elegantly and succinctly. They just say, nah-uh to everything. Yeah.

Nah-uh. You were born in the U.S. N-uh. And eventually it says you. Yeah. if you just keep hearing uh-uh over and over again a lot of what do you do a lot of adults are just like

give him what he wants give him some chocolate those are those are the times that they walk free and they do get and then they make a YouTube channel saying this is how you do it yeah I'm the I'm king baby I'm king boss baby yeah like obviously on the scale of a murder trial that what was that guy's name?

I forget the guy's Daryl Brooks was that yeah that sounds right like obviously on that scale that's going to do nothing for you but if it's a $50 traffic ticket and you go to court to fight it and you say all this nonsense and they're like dude okay like we have serious shit to do like just leave yeah i think those are the cases that they win because they don't have any legal ground of what the fuck they're talking about but like they're definitely i gotta be times when the judge's like whatever whatever dog yeah yeah 20 dollar ticket wave go hey open container

might be the ticket out uh you know who's a famous sovereign citizen who Wesley Snipes no not blade bro yeah because you remember Wesley Snipes beam Wesley Snipes yeah Wesley Snipes he went oh is he really that's why I went to prison for tax evasion he he filed a fake tax refund claim of four million dollars for the year 1996. He basically thought it was his right to just claim a refund for four million bucks from the government. Hell yeah. And he filed a false amended return, including a false tax refund claim of over $7.3 million for the year of 1997. So that put him on the radar. Yes, that put him on the radar. He used a protester theory called the 861 argument, which is an argument that the domestic

income of U.S. citizens and residents is not taxable. He basically said, uh, to taxes. I'm down so far. The government also charged at Snipes sent three worthless, fictitious bills of exchange for $14 million

to the IRS. So he paid, he tried to like counterfeit check or counterfeit payoff. That's probably not a great idea. The IRS. IRS shouldn't exist, but. Separate the art from the art. Wesley Snipes a fucking goal.

Give him his flowers. He's amazing, legend. Yep. That shit's crazy, but fucking legend, bro. Great actor. I like how some of them make their own driver's licenses, too. That's cool. But that's just like giving in to the system, though.

If you were really about it, no else. Yeah, no else. No else. They put brackets around their zip code. They ask a police officer, where is your oath of office? when they get pulled over. I don't know what that means. We talked about the use of near with zip code.

They say that they're not traveling in a commercial capacity. They, yeah, the straw man, we talked about that a little bit. What does that mean not traveling in a commercial capacity? They said they're traveling in a personal capacity, just basically saying, like, I'm not traveling making money that would, then enter them into the contract with the U.S. government. Got it. They're just traveling to get from point A to point B as a free citizen.

Not engaging in commerce. Not engaging in commerce. Yeah. Oh, they also love to try to get out of any charges. If they're on trial and in a courtroom, Billy's like stretching out his hamstring. What the fuck are you doing, bro?

I'm cramping. It's been a long podcast. It's hotter than Helen. Sorry, I'm trying. It is. If they're in a court of law, they'll point to the flag and they'll say that flag has gold fringe on it therefore I don't have to respect it because a gold fringe flag in their mind denotes a military tribunal so gold fringe not legitimate whatsoever keep all these in mind I met a dude that told me that there's a gold fringe on every courthouse flag in America because America is secretly in bankruptcy what does that mean

I don't know I researched it turns out it's wrong but he was like because America's in bankruptcy and we've been under martial law because of it and then I realized he was a kook

oh what gave it away he's made some good points they can so they file a lot of lawsuits against individuals government agencies they also file liens against public officials

so they basically just like secretly file a lien against I don't know a mayor and then the mayor doesn't find out until maybe he's running a credit check at some point in the future trying to buy a house and they're like wait you have a lien against you by this one guy that's pissed off at you and then they have to go through court a law to try to get that lien removed they're just really sneaky people I would have to imagine um vast majority of sovereign citizens are guys right probably probably not a whole lot of ladies that are sovereign citizens. I saw some. I've seen some

too. I've seen some. I mean, there's a much easier way to get out of a speeding ticket if you're a girl than all this. You just pretend to cry. I would like to see some stats on that because I do agree with you. Yeah. It's got to be like 70, 70 30, 6040. Yeah. Of getting out of tickets. Yeah. Oh, I bet that's way more than that. No, but I have to say some of the funniest police interaction videos are woman on woman. Female officer, female person pulled over.

I love those videos too. Yeah, because then the female officer's like, fuck you, bitch. And the person driving's like, I usually get out of all my tickets and it's so funny. Yeah. I would guess of times where an officer is intending to give someone a ticket and ends up not doing it,

it's 85 or 90% female. Yeah. I'd probably agree with that. I'm like what can you do as a dude if a cop is like I'm like planning on giving you a ticket what can you do to get out of it you can have a card that says that you donate to like a police officer fund that that is true you can pull that one you can but in that you hand that to them with your license and they they're not intending on giving you a ticket from the jump that's true I used to have one of those stickers that was on the front of my truck in Texas because I had a friend who was dating somebody that was worked for like a lobbyist group for police officers. And so she gave out to all of her friends these little stickers. And so we put them on our cars. And one time a cop pulled me over in front of my house.

And he was like, yeah, your registration, six months expired. And I was like, yeah, sorry, just haven't gotten to the DMV. He's like, the DMV's directly across the street from me. And he pointed across the street from my house. And that's the entrance to the DMV. And I was like, yeah, just haven't made it out there yet. What do you want me to say? And then he sees the stickers.

he's like where'd you get that sticker and I was like uh I donated a bunch of money and he was like go to the DMV and just let me off so that works that works sometimes but unless you have a really good excuse maybe you're maybe you're a professional athlete driving a car and the guy roots for your team and recognizes you now that I hadn't considered but even that's a very small percentage it's area and privilege yeah I think uh yeah that's happened to me at three or four times actually that's that's pretty cool it did happen to me one time actually we were driving um our old van vanny woodhead me and big cat and hank were driving it from philadelphia back up 95 and i don't know if we were speeding or uh the car was just basically a piece

of shit maybe one of the tail lights didn't work probably both of them didn't work actually don't think about it and it was at night and a cop pulls us over and he uh he was like yeah your tail lights are out and gave us this like big warning and then he sent us on our way again and we're like wow that was a close one and we go out and then he turns his lights on again so we get back on to 95 and he speeds up catches us we pull over and then after we pulled over the second time he turned his lights off and then came up and walked up to the car and was just like hey guys my my camera was recording back then at that first stop so I couldn't say anything but just want to say I'm a big fan of the podcast and so yeah yeah get home safe and

that's awesome okay yeah we'll take that we'll take that love that love that but yeah sovereign citizens are very funny people very annoying people i guess sometimes dangerous too i was actually shocked once you dig into the sovereign citizen movement it does sound like um sounds like a white guy thing for the most part but that's not the case this is it it brings people together it includes uh races and colors of all stripes that's what the moorish nation is what African-American people, or there's a large set of African-American people in the United States that will say that they're in the Moorish nation, which implies that they're not citizens of the United States. They shut down a freeway in Boston a couple years ago, too, to raise

awareness. They're the ones that fall under diplomatic immunity. Okay. They're the ones who look for diplomatic sovereignty. This is a separate conversation, but people who block traffic to do some sort of protest. I'm sure most people are against mandatory minimums at this point, particularly for drug offenses, things like that. I am pro-mandatory minimums for people who stop traffic.

Yeah. That's a bad thing. It depends on what the causes. I don't know. I don't think so. I think it's like... Yeah. Well, no, it would depend on what the cause was, right?

There's things that you would be angry enough about that you would stop traffic for. I think that's I think we got to put a stop to that people are getting way to it's become a thing too much if they decided to arrest everybody in the state of Tennessee now hold on we have bigger problems than that at this hold on let's explore this oh you're thinking in protest or what about like he's in he's in a protest yes you're in protest right okay so well let's explore this because that is your first amendment right as an american citizen now I assume you're pro-constitution. You have a right

to protest peacefully within reason. Like, is that part of the Constitution? Does it say within reason? Uh, I don't think reason is not in, not in the, the, I'm, I'm sticking to you block traffic six months. I, I know, that's

antithetical to the constitution. If you shut down a highway, six months. I know what Big T's saying, which is if you have someplace to be, it's important. And somebody is stopping traffic, you hate that person. You are so mad at them. Their cause usually doesn't matter to you if you have a place that you have to get to at that moment. Now, Big T, I would also say, though, that there are things that you would probably shut down traffic for. Right that fence PFC. I don't, I don't think so.

Well, I mean, Big T's right that like a cow, like a cow, like a cow, does that cow girl machine? Right that shit. But you know what I'm saying? Like a mechanical bull. Mechanical bull. Yeah, right that, ride that fence like a mechanical bull pf t ride that you don't sit there and tell me with a straight face that you would not be extremely pissed off at somebody that's blocking traffic if you had a very important place that you had to get to listen bro road rage is my one thing that i am not i think it's all hilarious he doesn't have anywhere to be like like barring barring barring like if i understand in the an extreme low percentage case that like somebody is being rushed to the hospital and the ambulance and there's no way to get

through because of that I would say you have a point but again that's that's it would be a product of the society that we live in I wouldn't agree with it I understand it but I think protest is the it's a fundamental American right that is true I agree with that protests are meant to be disruptive that I get imagine protesting on the corner where you could just everything nothing is impeded everything's just going by you're not going to get any attention. That's the point of a protest is to cause disruption. That's the point of it.

So it's like, it has to be a little disrupt. But there are, we have guardrails like the Westboro Baptist Church, horrible people. I don't even like using the word church with them. They're awful people. But they have, they have biblical reason. No, they don't dismiss them. Yes, they do. No, they don't.

They think they do. They do not. I disagree. But they, when they go to protest a soldier's funeral. roll or whatever. There are cops, they're saying, like, you have to be here. You can't be over here doing this. Like, there are parameters placed on people's protests. What about- Register for a protest technically? Depends sometimes. Big T, what did you think about the truckers up in Canada that were protesting COVID lockdowns and mandatory vaccinations? I don't know

enough about that. I'm down with their cause. No, no, you just said mandatory minimum census. I don't know enough about what went on in that situation So the cause does matter No, I'm saying I don't really know what happened But if you protesting Trump's arrest Fuck out of here If you protesting climate change I'm with you and I'm not mad

But that is also contingent on the person in the car You know what I understand? I understand everybody has their thing I'm sure somebody would not give a fuck about climate change protest I need to go to this goddamn supermarket before it closes. I get it, I understand. But that's the beauty of America, because everybody got their shit. Here's where I will freely admit to being a not in my backyard guy, right?

Okay. Truckers, we talked about this with the guy that wrote the book about the Industrial Revolution and what's happening in big tech right now. If AI comes for every trucker's job and it's going to take every trucker off the road and they get together they decide to plug up the highways more power to them good for them i'm supporting them i'm supporting them and their cause 100% and they're doing what they can to stop this where it needs to stop however if i happen to be on the highway when that's happening i'm like get the fuck out of here so you're against it then move your truck no that's where i'm saying not in my backyard where it's like

not on my highway that i'm currently driving on whatever that acronym is like i'm going to be pissed off The only way to ensure it doesn't happen to you is that it doesn't happen. What do you mean? Well, if you're, if you're saying, I'm in favor of this as long as it doesn't happen to me, the only way to ensure that it doesn't happen to you is by make sure it doesn't happen at all. No, I just hope that I'm lucky and I'm not on the road at that time. You support, you support the conquest. You just don't want to be involved in it.

No, I just don't want to be personally inconvenienced if I'm being honest. That's what I'm saying. You're saying the exact same thing I am. But I'm not saying put him in jail. I'm not saying mandatory minimums. I've come to three months, not six. Six is a lot. Three months.

No, I mean, I think you can hold those two thoughts in your head at the same time where you support the cause, but at the same time, you're very pissed off that you're personally inconvenienced. I mean, that's the ultimate liberal thing. I'm down with this as long as it doesn't happen to me. I don't know that if that's liberal or conservative. We love migrants until they come to our town. I do.

I grew up in a town filled with migrants. That's good. Yeah, it was wonderful. It was a great childhood. Eric Adams isn't doing a good job on that. that right now. Arian, if you're, if you have to like pick up your daughter somewhere, right? Mm-hmm.

And she has, she's like by herself. She called you. She's like, hey, come pick me up. I have no way to get home. You have to drive 30 minutes to pick her up. And there's a protest going on on the street. It's getting dark outside. Maybe she's like, I don't know, in an area that's not that safe.

You would be very pissed off about any sort of blockaded traffic no matter what the cause is, right? Yeah, but it wouldn't, like, I contextualize it. It's not something like, I'm just mad in general. Like, I'm upset that the protests happened at that particular moment, the particular time. I don't think that people should not be able to protest. I didn't say that. Blocking, blocking traffic in general, I think, is illegal. But again, protesting is supposed to be disruptive.

They're supposed to be supposed to ruffle feathers. So I get it. That's your right. And, you know, I'm, I'm in this country. So I understand driving out of freeway is not a guarantee, you know, it's a driving as a privilege, it's not a right, as sovereign citizens find out on the daily. And so that comes with it. So, like, if that case is, if that happens to be the case, I'm not happy. I'm like, God damn, I got to go.

Right. But, like, it is with it. There's nothing I could do about it. Like, I'm very, like, that's why I don't get road rage, right? My favorite road rage line comes from Lowell Wayne, right? Wayne and I implore everybody to take this stance when it comes to road rage. He has a verse, right? So little background and context of the verse, and it's amazing, by the way.

He has a song called I Like That, right, where he explores all of his, like, beats for people. And one of his beats for people was he used to be a part of a group called the Hot Boys, like, juvenile, a little Turk, uh, many fresh. Yep. And so,

and so he had, all of them kind of turned against the baby and they all left, right? And one of the, one of the things, Turk, Turk dissed him, Turk dis Wang.

And they was all like brothers. Like, they was all brothers and Turk dissed him. And so I'm a, I'm a wrap this up, but it's very, it's very dope. And I took this,

you know, it's a, it's a saying that a, by. So Turk dissed him. And, and that hurt, that hurt Lowellane, right? Now, Turk's in jail. And Lowen comes out with his song. And he says, I said, I have my own lawyer working on Turk's case after I heard him dissing me on the mixtape because he's locked up and I'm free. He got a lot more to worry about to me. I ain't tripping. That's just some of the realest shit I've ever spoken. And that's my approach to like, Roe Rage. If you mad as fucking, you cutting me off

you honking me, but you got a lot more to worry about to me, man. I ain't tripping. If I'm a hold up in traffic and your shit, your life is that, man, you got a lot more to worry about it to me. I'm chilling, bro. That's very zen. It's fire. I love that line.

It's one of my favorite lines about time. I like it too. I think if I'm being honest and I was in a situation where, like, the aforementioned example of the truckers, I would be like, damn, this sucks that it happened when I was on the road. and then I just think to myself like, well, good for them. I guess this is just kind of the price that I'm going to have to pay right now. I wouldn't. You'd be chill.

I wouldn't. I wouldn't be chill about it. But again, I want to be clear. I really hope that if and when they decide to do that, I happen to not be on the road at that time because it would personally suck. Also agree. I would not be like, hey, next protest, I hope on front line of the traffic, though, because I don't want to go anywhere. Yeah. No, I agree with you.

I agree. So I guess that's a yes in my backyard, but I will complain. on social media about it and uh and probably wine for like five hours i i kind of love seeing like the the protester fails like did you see that some of the just stop oil people glued themselves to a truck those are the people i'm talking about i know but it wasn't an oil truck it was a cooking oil truck well they like glued their hands to the road yeah and the Cops ripped them up and took him to jail. The truck driver is like getting interviewed by the news and he's like, what are they, what

they, it was in Europe and he's like, what are they doing? And he, and the, the one's like, oh, they're protesting oil. And he goes, he starts dying live. He goes, it's a cooking oil truck. And he says it's the funniest thing ever. Bro, please send me that clip. Oh, that's actually funny. Like, I was, I was die.

I also do feel for like if you're a worker and you're, you're on the job and you're just trying to run out the clock on your day and get home and somebody glues themselves to the highway in front of you and you can't get home at the end of like a long day. Yeah, that sucks. Of course. Of course I empathize of those people. I get it. I really get it. And to every protest, right? So Big T, I'm sure you witnessed a protest where you're like, absolutely, man, stand your ground. P.A.T. Everybody has had a protest where they looked at it. I was like, do your shit. I'm with you. I stand in solidarity, brother. But for every protest, there's opposition saying get over yourself

get the fuck over it right and that is what protests are about or else there wouldn't be a protest in general and so like there's always going to be opposition to protest and the opposite to process is never like yeah I see you but nah

the opposition is always like get the fuck up bro what are you doing it's always like that well in conclusion I think that sovereign citizens make a lot of really interesting hilarious points and I'm thankful for the content that they provide us online Godspeed, good luck in most of the things that you do

not the bad stuff, but just like getting out of a parking ticket that's funny. I'm with that. Hey, get out of all the tickets you can, though. Yeah. All right, well, that does it for this week's macro dosing.

This is a good episode, guys. Covered a lot of topics. Biggest takeaway. Arian thinks that Tom Brady sucks. Come on, okay. See, there you go. Now you go out of Speriware in my fucking mention again.

Just try to get into it. Just try to argue. for three hours online about Tom Brady and Air Rogers. I'm not going to some dude who played JV basketball about Tom Brady's efficiency. I'm not doing it. Just about his greatness. Actually, I'm not doing that either. I'm going to stick Hank on you.

Again, does he play JV? I'm not talking. I'm not doing it. I will absolutely talk to another NFL player about this. I'll stick Dave Portnoy on you. He would have played NFL, but his shoulders are pretty bad. Yeah, and his calves don't fast twitch and his hips don't move. I don't know.

I've been saying this chair for seven hours. Working pretty good. Can't talk about that federal crime. Yeah, we'll get to Edelman. I'll hit up Edelman and I'll be like, hey, get into an argument with the area. I'm going to have a conversation. I would love it. Because it would be it would be a conversation of peers discussing preference, experience, work at. Like, it would be a good conversation.

But me talking to my guy who, you know, watches football leisurely and just loves Tom Brady and got posted. It's not a conversation that I'm willing to have because we were just, we operating from do different mechanisms. It just doesn't make sense. Tom Brady. I'm not saying I'm above him. Again, I'm saying I'm better or whatever. But my expect, bro, like, while you was doing your job, PFT, while you was, you know, researching for podcasts and stuff, I was lifting weights. I was running routes.

I was learning plays. I was studying defenses. That's what I did for a living. You know what I'm saying? That's how I fed my family. Like Tom Brady's dated more supermodals. And look where it got you right here with us. Yeah, I did all that shit for nothing.

It's a little more money. I mean, what do you want to do, play football forever, though? That's another thing. I can't play until I'm 40 as a runnerback. We play different sports. If you can play a professional sport to you 40 years old, it's not physically demanding. Hang on, hang on.

because you just described three of the four major sports. That's what I'm saying. No, I described a specific position in three of the major sports. No, you can play any position in baseball to your 40. Agreed. You can play. It's not physically demanding. But baseball's not physically demanding.

Not in the way that football is, but you have to be an exceptional athlete. I think you have to have exceptional hand-eye coordination. Yeah. And strength. hockey you can guys play till they're 40 that's a physically demanding sport not in the same way because it's it's not it's not physical in the sense of like because there's a variable of ice you know what i mean like that that that's a huge variable rather than like me exerting my energy towards like they're not judged on how fast they skate they they absolutely are

i think it's not this it's nowhere near to say what about basketball again you can you again it's a it's a different position right so like lebron james can play at the age of 40 but he can't play to the same level physically that he could when he was younger all right tell you what things have to change there's no 40 year old runnerbacks for a reason it's not possible i want to finish this conversation but i also want to have we'll get either julian or cramping or chris long and billy's going through cramps right now we'll get somebody that played with tom brady that will debate you on this and that will happen very shortly again hold on real quick yep i don't think tom brady i don't hate tom brady i don't know i don't know the man i met him a couple times we always

have been cool he respected my craft i respect his this is just a personal preference from a man who spent his life playing the game that's all it is please stay out my mentions i don't care i don't hate him he's great just my own thoughts regardless my own sport i play Perfect. Perfect. Yes. All right. We'll see you guys next Tuesday. Love you guys.