Macrodosing: Arian Foster and PFT Commenter - Survival ft. Donny Dust and Ray Livingston

Episode Date: April 12, 2022

On today's episode of Macrodosing, the crew welcomes Donny Dust and Ray Livingston (54:19), from USA Networks 'Mud, Sweat and Beards', to talk living in the wilderness/elite survival tactics. Hear everything from their early successful careers in college and serving our country to becoming some of the biggest survival experts of our time. Also, the crew takes on their own challenge, as they are tasked to come up with ways for everyone to survive. Billy and Big T get into an argument for the ages. You DON'T want to miss one of our best episodes to date. Enjoy!You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/macrodosing

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To whomst? I don't see that. That's fucked up. If you're going to sell the team, why are you going to get rid of Trey Turner, Max Scherzer? Why are you going to do that the year before you do it? Quote,

this is an exploratory process, so there's no set timetable or expectation of a specific outcome. I will buy the nationals. Is that a baseball team or how you can? It's a baseball team. We might need to strip big T from his breaking news. That was not breaking news.

well it's the it says breaking in all caps okay i don't know you didn't have to also i just asked if pft had seen it i had not seen that no uh it's of interest to him it is of interest to me i think that um i don't know that was a baseball team that kind of fucked me up right there the weird thing about about the nationals in their cash flow situation is um they are owed like hundreds of millions of dollars by the owner of the orioles peter angeles that um when they first like got into the market, there was some arrangement that they had to work out where it was like some sort of cable TV rights because in the area of like Baltimore, D.C., there was money that they had to split up for the two markets. I forget exactly how it worked out. But Peter

Angeles, the owner of Orioles, owes a shitload of money to the Nationals. And he just hasn't paid yet. I don't think, I mean, he doesn't want to pay, obviously, but he has to pay. It's been ruled. So anytime that the nationals have been looking to do these long-term contracts with their superstars, they have to do almost like Bobby Benia style offers, obviously not as extreme as the Bobby Benia contract where it's spread over like 20 years or whatever. But that's what they've been offering their superstar players is like, hey, we'll give you a big contract, but just know that it's going to be backloaded and you'll be getting paid for the next 10 to 12 years. And Scott Boris has been like, no, we like our money up front.

because that's what a good agent will do. So it's really actually impacted the National's ability to sign free agents. Doesn't Scher make $15 million a year for the next like 10 years or something? Yeah, yeah. So he took one of those deals. That was a big thing with the Bryce Harper contract as well. So he- That's a great, that's a great, why wouldn't anybody, I would love that, actually.

In addition to whatever he's, so next year he makes $43 million from the Mets. He also gets $15 million from the Nats. Same thing year after that, same thing year after that. then 25, 26, 27, he gets another 15 million from the Nationals, whether he's still playing or not. 28, he gets another 15 million from the Dodgers. Ooh. Hmm.

The Nationals were trying to pay Bryce in like 2048, if I remember correctly, they were like, yeah, we'll give you some today. Most of it's coming in a good 30 years from now. Yep. That's fire. It's like a great 401K. I was going to say, I don't hate that.

I just figured out that they used to be the Expos. They sure did. I didn't know that. And that's why I was wondering where they went. Aryan last paid attention to baseball in 2005. I had no idea the Expos weren't a team anymore. That's crazy. The socks broke the curse.

There's nothing for me to watch anymore. All right. I do miss. That's crazy. I miss the Expos just as an organization. They had some sick uniforms, cool hats. It's fire uniforms. Right.

They had great players. It's having Montreal with the baseball team is fun. I hope that they get another team. I felt kind of bad when they moved down to D.C., but what are you going to do? I am upset that the Tampa Bay owner's vision got mocked so loudly. He, Aaron, I'm sure you didn't hear about this, but no one in St. Petersburg, Florida,

gives a shit about the Tampa Bay raised. So they're trying to build a new stadium. They weren't getting the funding they want. So they were proposing that they they didn't just have one city. They would play in both Tampa and Montreal. They would have two homes. So they would play 40 games in Montreal and 41 in Tampa. So they essentially always play road games.

They would never have a home. But I would love that as someone who has to play against the rates frequently. But I think that would be very funny. Like we don't have one home. We have two. I mean, imagine, imagine being in four. free agent and the raise are like hey you want to play for us we're going to be traveling all the time we're going to be on the road like nobody would ever sign with the raise you have to pay

Canadian and American taxes yeah do you get paid in Canadian dollars I've always wondered that about the NBA too do the players get paid and in the Canadian uh loon nah not I don't know because the the central location is in the NBA is and it's it's like wouldn't it be just like you'd have to pay whatever the taxes over there who because like I know I don't have I had to pay taxes in each state that I played in. So, like, I had to, if we played in California, you, you paid the taxes in that state for your game for that week. Oh, that sucks. Yeah, but I played in Texas, and there's no state tax there, but I played in Texas.

And Tennessee doesn't have any state tax either. So Tennessee, I think there's one more. Florida. So, yeah, Jacksonville. So two of the other games, we didn't have to pay taxes in. So it was a pretty sweet deal. Wait, what's the taxes in West Virginia? West Virginia.

Why do you want to know that? Professional team. There's a little money in West Virginia. I think it's a rough and rowdy thing. I think that's... Oh, yeah, yeah. Dude, I'm so fucked with my taxes. Just putting that up.

They're going to come for you, bro. Have you not done them yet? Well, I'm trying to do them the best. Got it. You know, you're coming up on it. It's this week, brother. You can get an extension. You get a week.

But then if you do get an extension, Uh, you have to pay some, you have to pay the money that you think that you owe up front. Yeah. Fortunately, you're trying to do it the best. It's very Trump like. Yeah. He's going to do the best taxes over in Philly and a price. I have the best, the most beautiful return you've ever seen.

I thought it was beautiful. It was organized Excel spreadsheet. It was amazing. So, um, going around the room, let's talk a little bit about survival and just, what environment you think that you would be the best in. Billy. I think I'd really do well in the northeastern woods because I think like that's what I know the best.

Okay. That's my opinion just because I know. What's good to eat? Well, I mean, easy ones, squirrels. Do you think squirrels are easy? Well, I mean, literally you can get a, get a make a slingshot hit a couple squirrels

with some stones you would go out how are you fashioning the minis how are you fashioning the slingshot you're going to need some elastic probably going to have to get your underwear involved take the elastic band out of your underwear that's how I'd probably do it um you have to the hardest part would probably be finding a forked

a forked branch to make the actual um wishbone wooden part and yeah then uh probably make a little uh pouch for it using some sort of um piece a piece of cloth and then stones are going to be everywhere and then honestly hopefully the squirrels i'm around aren't like too deep in the wood squirrels they're like you know used to humans type squirrels i mean you like if you wanted to you you could go to central park right now with a good old daisy

slingshot in ball bearings and like go just rack up squirrels be like the carson wents of squirrel hunting just like nail them it'd be pretty insane but like once you get deeper in the woods they're less scared of humans i mean they're more scared of humans deep in the woods so you're good as long as your survival's on easy mode no i'm just saying like this shot would be hard the farther away the squirrels stay away from you but do you really think you could hit a squirrel with a sling I've done it before. Not even. No, no, no, no, no, no.

Not a slingshot. A homemade slingshot. The slingshot in Dick used was a daisy wrist rocket with ball bearings. But I ate the squirrel. So how you do is this, you can only eat the back two legs of the squirrel, the hind corners. And they're honestly, like, they say they're comparable to chicken wings in a way. So you killed the squirrel and then you like skinned it. Yeah.

You chopped off its back legs. Yeah. And then you, what, put it over fire? I actually took it inside and put it in a pot and pan. Okay. This is something that actually happened. It's very gamey. So anytime Billy says this is something that actually happened,

the alarms go off in my head. And I begin to think that maybe it was something that didn't actually happen. I would call my dad. I believe this one. Yeah, no, it was an exercise. Yeah, I was skeptical about you being. so confident about you killing a squirrel, but if you say you kill a squirrel before, Brock, I've got no

reason to be skeptical. Well, you need a clean shot. That's the hardest part. So are you allowed to kill squirrels in Central Park? No, not in Central. No, no, no. It wasn't in Central Park. No, I'm just curious. I don't think, like, let's check that out. Probably not.

Can you kill? Because I was about to say, I want to send Billy out now into Central Park see if he can fashion a slingshot out of his underwear. wishbone wood part yeah I got a good elastic band today me and these

me undies great elastic band it is a good elastic on a meandi yeah the most deadly of all the underwears I want to send Billy out there oh but also we got it we got but the number one thing we got today

was fish first it's true yeah and honestly it'd be much tastier and I've done a good amount of fishing in the northeast honestly i would hope i was close-ish to the ocean so i'm a big fan of the ocean i know what about you big t what's what's the survival situation you think you could dominate and how would you do it i don't think there is one i'm not a

i'm not a survival type no uh i don't foresee any situation where i would have to do any sort of surviving that would go well have you seen the tv show you yellow jackets. No. Has anybody here? Is that, I know what it told me about it. It's about a girls soccer team, high school girls soccer team that they're playing crashes out in the woods when they're on their way to the state or the national tournament. And I think there's like nine of them that survive and their coach. And they have to figure out like how to how to survive out in nature and like what they can kill and stuff. It's pretty cool. It gets like a little bit like Billy would like it because it gets into, like, a little bit of the, like, spiritualness of being out in nature.

And there's some, like, weird supernatural type stuff that may or may not be happening to them. Have you guys ever read Lord of the Flies? I have. I've seen the movie back in a day. Yeah. It was fun. That make you think that you could do it? No, it was just very, it was a great commentary on the breakdown of, you know, like humanity.

Mm-hmm. And how everyone just reverts into pretty. desperate behavior. I do think that a lot of people have the fantasy when they're growing up of like, man, I think I could survive out in nature. There's a lot of there, like if you look back over the course of history and literature,

there's a lot that's written about just a story of some dude being alone by himself surviving Robinson Crusoe. Yeah. I do, I think that a desert island, I think I would dominate on a desert island. Like in Castaway, I've seen enough movies that I know how to make one of those little,

fences make a tidal pool and trap the fish in there. So you use the tide as your fishing device. I'm thinking birds in that situation. You've got to figure out how to kill birds. That's tricky though. But you just very tricky. You got to set up some sort of

you know slingshot put some food, find out that they like smash crabs because they love crap. Like if you're in a desert eye and crab like look under rocks, find a little crab smash them. Make sure they're in the sun so it gets smelly. The birds come in. they start pecking around you got to then figure out how to you know get the birds and probably

maybe the slingshot idea but i'm also thinking maybe i'm a fan of the old uh the old cardboard box stick and then the long rope that's tied to the stick donnie is a that's another one of the things he does he can fashion really good rock traps with a trip and a snare so like he can catch like like good old fashioned big rock held up by stick that's attached to little bit of lure than like rabbit or something crawls under there to get whatever the bait is or if it's just a snare in the middle of a game path and then it gets caught and the rock just smashes it. Two two things I figured I would encounter a lot more in my life much like everyone talks about quicksand.

Yeah. But two things I thought I would come across more frequently is a large hole that I didn't see because it was covered by thousands of leaves and those ropes that you step on and immediately flip you upside down in a tree by one foot. Yeah, the snares. Those things are crazy. I think. Yeah, I've seen none. They only exist in cartoons. Correct.

But they look like they do the job pretty well. Yeah, it like creates an airtight loop around your legs And the next thing you know, you're just hanging upside down I want to learn how to make one of those I think it has to do with tying a tree Because that's an actual snare It's like bending a tree over Yeah, it's like a sapling

Something that's still like nice and pliable I think it actually does work with like smaller game animals I would love to experiment with that But I feel like the Desert Island Well, when I say desert I just mean I'm deserted on an island But it's tropical Basically what I'm what I'm saying

I'm being out is like living in paradise Yeah Nobody around me You guys know Dominate Cobbo Yeah Speaking of quicksand Have you guys ever heard of non-Newtonian fluid

Oh you guys Yeah I retweeted that shit the other day Yeah dude you got to watch some videos Non-Newtonian It's insane Fluids like Is like crazy It's like

fluid that doesn't conform to like regular rules of physics if you like punch it it's like concrete but if you slowly put your hand into it it's basically a liquid so your hand just goes in like liquid wasn't that the stuff we made in like grade school science class where it was like cornstarch and water yeah but we got it like fluve or something yeah i do remember that but it wasn't as compact i'm sure what like i'm sure there's obviously but the same idea where it's like It was like, solid if you, you know, put enough force on it. I might just start doing a video series of just like science experiments. Like middle school science experiments.

Sounds like so much fun. That was a, that was more of a practice. What about you, Aaron? What situation do you think you'd be good at surviving in? Actually, when I was, when I was 12, my grandma, well, my mama from like a small. small farm. Well, it's a big farm, but it's a small place. In Springer, New Mexico, that's what she was from.

And so my grandfokes, they like hella country. And so my grandma, my grandpa broke up because he was cheating on her. She got with this dude who actually died. Damn, I'm thinking about it. But it's going to be a happy story, I promise. he was like a rancher, but like he was paid to take people, take people's cattle and like move them to different places. And so he used to stay in the woods. And so one summer, my mom was like, yo, go with, I think his name was like Charlie or some shit, go with him on a trip. So for two

weeks, I was in the woods with this cat by myself. And so it was just me and him. And so we had to survive off the land. Like we were just surviving off the land. And it was a wild experiment. Obviously, he was doing all this shit. I had no idea what I was doing. I just did everything that he said. But it was a really fun experience at the time. And so I know a little bit of survival skills,

but I just choose not to put myself in that predicament as an adult. Because why? And, but if I had to say it, it had to be somewhere where there's for sure water source. So like some kind of like rainforest maybe feel, like where I know there's fresh water sources. So I don't have to, like, I think the water is to make that because I can go, I can go pretty long without food. Yeah, actually, your, your biggest survival skill is knowing not to put yourself in a situation where you have to survive.

That's fact. We're all surviving, just all the time. What about you, Coley? Yeah, our ancestors fought so hard to set up the lives we have now so that we don't have to do this. And now we just spend all day being like, how would I do it? My great, great, great, great grandfather would be like, dude, just go to McDonald's. That's awesome. I would just live inside McDonald's.

What are you doing? We have it so good. Like, it's the best. I mean, my, like, I grew up, I've told the story about my father with Y2K and like all the shit he's drilled into my brain when it comes to. So, like, my ideal survival, where I'd thrive would be, like, within an urban environment, but similar to what Billy was saying earlier, not with a nuke. I would not survive the nuke. But, like, if, let's say, like, all the internet or all electricity, like, an EMP took everything out. And society crumbled pretty quickly.

Like, I feel like I'd be really good in an urban environment. where there's like a lot of canned goods like I'm pretty good at like breaking into stores stealing everything hoarding that kind of survival not like out in the woods out in the desert forget about it like there no thank you uh on an island like by myself no that's not going to go very well it would very much have to be society crumbled there are limited supplies but supplies nevertheless less, can I get those, get them back to my home, and then basically just survive in advance, like a low-seated NCAA tournament team. That's all I'm trying to do.

I think that if you have children of your own, if you have offspring, you have a major advantage when it comes to a survival situation because you have like that reason, like you'll kill somebody if it means that your kids will survive. I think us, like those of us that don't have children would probably be a little bit more hesitant to go like all out just in the name of our own survival. whereas if there's something that's that is depending on you that you're genetically linked to it's like you're a very dangerous animal at that point mama bear mama bear mentality but coli in your situation how populated is the urban area uh like the one i currently live in or just this

because my like opinion about like the like if you're in a city with a bunch of hungry like hungry people. The competition for those resources and gathering them, I think that's going to be one of the biggest hurdles because you're going to have roving gangs of like looters. You're going to have different sorts of like rival factions. You know, there's like just the the propensity for conflict in that sort of area, I think would be the hardest hurdle. It would be high, but I don't know that the gangs would be there instantaneous. like I don't know that that like there would be a lot of individuals at first that's why I said survive in advance because the longer it goes then yeah you're talking

about people it's it's walking dead like yeah people would form their own communities and stuff and then it would certainly be harder or easier depending on if I fell in line with a successful one of those but it would very much be a day by day just hoping for the best hoping for the electricity to come back on my game plan in that situation would it would it be looting at that point though no no when i say looting it's more like just other people like let's say for example you had a a house i'm trying to check out i'm swiping my card yeah not when i say but like let's say you have a house and you have a lot of supplies in the house and then someone comes and tries to take your supplies because they know you have definitely yeah that i mean i'm saying

what i don't even know that would be looting because it's like if if you see lions out in the wild and a lion got a kill and the lion sees that another line got a kill and he kills that line and takes his get is that looting or is he just surviving well right it's survival but There is the idea that you, the more supplies you gather, the more of a threat other people are to you. But I'm talking about the concept of looting. Like, when does it become, where's the line between looting and surviving? Now, the reason I would use the term looting

was because it was the closest term to the action I was trying to describe. So I don't know if that was the proper terminology. I'm not I'm not banging on you on that I'm just asking like what what like philosophically yeah no no I agree what would be the distinguishing factor between somebody surviving and somebody looting the this is what it is

the distinguishing factor is that another person is doing it so hey my people yeah exactly that's that's the one I got you that man makes it yeah that's I mean I don't disagree it's like what I guess it's like was the cause like if you're truly poor you truly have nothing and you steal a loaf of bread

like is that stealing a lot of people would say yes a lot of people would say no uh like i feel like the most widespread looting i can think of like the last 20 years was post katrina uh and those people were truly just trying to survive and the way it was framed by certain uh entities was either these people are are thieves and other people are like yeah man i mean what What do you want them to do? Like, there's not much they can do. Yeah. It's interesting. So, isn't that, wasn't there a crazy story that Chris Kyle claimed he was on top of the Superdome?

Yeah. And that he was shooting leaders. Yeah. That they deployed him. Yeah. But that's, who knows how much of that he was making up and how much of it was true. Because there's a lot of stuff that he did make up. Yeah.

That's, and if that was true, then he's like just admitting to being a murderer. But what if he was sent there being ordered? You never know. You never know. He also, there was something that he had, I think Jesse the Body Ventura filed a lawsuit against him because Chris Kyle slainered him in his book and like made something up. And Jesse the body won the lawsuit against Chris Kyle and it was proven that like Jesse was in the right. Jesse the Body Ventura is maybe, maybe one of my favorite public figures in the United States. Because the guy goes so far back and forth.

you can't put a pin on what he's going to believe about any specific topic. No matter who you are, where you fall in the political spectrum, you don't agree with over probably 30% of what Jesse the body says about any particular topic. But he just keeps going and keeps coming out with these takes. I like that vibe. He's a wild card. Yeah. Real wildcard.

Do you remember when he got? Was he governor? What did he get up to? Yeah. Yeah. He was governor. Minnesota. Minnesota.

And I think on day one, he like repelled into the state capital from a helicopter. all time all time cycle we should have him on the show actually he did that show he's done he's uh what's what's the what's the big uh weather controlling machine they have out in alaska oh darpa yeah yeah he was he he he unearthed a lot of that like brought it public yeah we should we should do a darpa episode with with jesse was it harper i think it is harp is it harpa i think it's H-A Let's see I'm looking up right now

DARPA Yeah okay My apologies Well there's And what is this There's harp and there's DARPA So DARPA is The alleged weather

controlling machine And then Harp is H-A-A-R-P It's the high-frequency Active auroral Research Program That's in Alaska Yeah that's what I was thinking of

That's the program That's like the research program. Okay, DARPA is something else then. Jesse's all over all these things. Yeah, no, listen, you're not going to sneak one past the body. That's not what you're going to do. DARPA is a time machine project that the Pentagon has been invested in.

Yeah, it's the development of emerging technologies for military use. Yeah, there was Project Pegasus. And some people claim that they were, that they've been sent back in time to meet historical figures using DARPA. Oh, so there was that UFO. I don't know if it was, people think it was just contrails, but over Alaska, over the weekend, it was just this like, like you can't really, I mean, there's actual professional pilots who say that it was just definitely a plane flying in the sky.

But just to touch on UFOs real quickly, I was like thinking about a lot over the weekend after seeing that picture, and I 100% think that it might be the U.S. government anti-nuclear missile technology. Could be. The way they move, it's just like the way they describe them moving at ways we don't know. And hypothetically, they could be somehow bending time or space, just like, and that's how they move. And so hypothetically, Russia, North Korea, they shoot one at us. we have something that can move before it even gets there

and that's why it always shows up like they always show up around like shutting down nuclear missile silos in different areas. It's more of an anti-nuke force. Yeah, I mean that that might actually make sense because I know that we do have the technology that's it's been designed to shoot down nukes but from everything that I've read

it's like really bad. So if Russia were to launch like all their nukes at us, We could take out maybe like 20% of the incoming missiles, and we'd miss a lot of them. Because a lot of times when they shoot, the plans are when they shoot the missiles over, there's a bunch of them that are decoys that go over at the same time as a regular warhead,

so you don't know which one to target. Yeah, and then, or they're just all nukes. Or they could be all nukes. But I think that old system is built a lot, like the Israeli bubble system. What's it called the something shield? Oh, the iron dome. Iron Dome, yeah, and it takes down rockets by just, like, shooting them.

If you look at it, it's a really cool system. I mean, cool in a physical sense. I'm not commenting on that, but just like how it shoots down rockets. Pick aside, Bill. Rockets also, those travel like so much slower than a hypersonic intercontinental ballistic missile would. Yeah. Well, but they were designed to just shoot down like old-ass nuclear missiles. I think going back to survivalism real quick, my favorite survival stories are always the ones where a guy just survives in the airport by himself because he doesn't have a ticket to get out and he's caught in between limbo with like an expired passport or something like that, doesn't have enough money to get a ticket.

Like Tom Hanks in that movie The Terminal, I think I could survive in an airport for a long time. You just keep moving around. That's the trick is you don't sleep in the same part two nights in a row. you just keep moving maybe eventually you find yourself like a janitorial closet and you take a janitor's outfit and then you just walk around all day just pretending that you're a janitor you don't get thrown out I'm pretty good at not getting kicked out of places now

quick question how much money do you have on you if I had $500 I think I could stretch that out in an airport you know how expensive how long airport food beers stuff are well I wouldn't but at night ain't nobody gonna be in the kitchen. Yep, exactly. And I don't think I'd be like getting drunk, Billy. That'd be a real waste of money during the day. It's like, okay, I got $500. How long can I stay here? Uh, they do have, they got those $9 blue moons. That looks pretty good. Probably has some citrus in it. Get my vitamin C. Don't get scurvy. No, the trick is, the trick is you,

you load up, um, usually the nuts prices that they have in airports aren't that bad. I would get a shitload of almonds i would just buy almonds almost every day get all your energy out of that and then um i'd probably spring for some of the good airport water too i'm a sucker for good airport well there are there is we got water fountains yeah yeah but i mean you see the the tall voss glasses those just look good i that would be my weakness probably like they still like the mcdonald's value menu if they have a mcdonalds in the airport it's true it also depends on what airport you're at if you're at lana or like bozeman montgomery Yeah, Atlanta. I could survive for a long time in the Atlanta airport. That thing is so spread

out. Yeah. That's a big-ass airport. But like if you were in like Des Moines, Iowa airport. Mm-hmm. Well, now I'm hungry. I did find it. It can't possibly be a U.S.-based airport. You could just get home. It's a great point. But not if you don't have a ticket. Let's send you to, also, when I said $500, I could, you could just buy a ticket with the 500. So easy. Everywhere on the contrary. Oh, man. Yeah. I don't know. There was a story about, I think it was a guy in China that had been living in an airport for a while, but it was just so that he could get away from his family. He just wanted to, like, drink beer and hang out in the airport. And he was just, I think you'd been in the airport for like two years or something. Legend. I was dead. He was just in terminal C. Yeah. What about you, Avery? What survival situation?

I said if you throw me in like an Amazon warehouse, that'd be it. I'd be able to survive. They don't have bathrooms. They're barely surviving there. I like it. They got bathrooms. Do they? I guess I'll have to find out.

Yeah. You're not allowed to use them. They did a study of back injuries of Amazon employees versus every other known profession. and it is alarming how many severe back injuries those people are getting. What about you, Mad Dog? So mine's similar to yours. I think I'd begin in a mall, like a big abandoned mall. Like, because you could, the variety of resources you have, I think would be pretty good.

Like, you would have maybe there's like a sleep number store in there. I didn't know when we were doing survival scenarios. You could just pick somewhere that has everything you'd possibly need. In that case, I'd like to revise my answer. I'm going to go Costco with mine. Yeah. See, your survival scenario is basically just, I quit. Well, no, because I thought we were saying, like, in the woods or shit.

And you all are just like, oh, I'd be in somewhere that has all the things I would possibly need and I'm good to go. I'll revise my answer. I'll revise my answer. Okay. I'm going then, like, honestly, Ohio, I know I talk about it a lot. Ohio gas station. Yeah, well, a rest stop. No, but like Lake Erie, like if you were strained on Lake Erie, it's shallow enough

because it's the most shallow Great Lake that I feel like if I were like cast, like I got stranded on a boat in Lake Erie. One, it usually doesn't freeze over fully if you're close enough to shore and fresh water. And there's a decent variety of fish that are still there. Speaking of fish. and the thing about Lake Geary is that it goes from Ohio and then all of the states like Pennsylvania right there and then you can go into Canada so like 18 miles off the shore from Ohio is your southernmost point of Canada it's like a little island so if you just float long enough and you can just kind of scoop out water I'm hoping it's not during like the dead of winter that I'm getting stranded I use the Great Lakes water which is subpar at best. but then you kind of float into Canada and like maybe Canadian Coast Guard picks me up.

How long do you think you could survive just on water? Probably longer than you think. I think you can do like three weeks. It's like three weeks or three weeks. Do at some point do you stop getting hungry? Because the first, if I don't eat for 10 hours, I'm super, super hungry. I can't imagine that you still, you feel that exact same feeling for... Dude, if you took a severely obese person and you put them,

him in why are you whispering just I just keep talking he was on a podcast if you if you get fat people and they stop eating no yeah let's talk about it

hypothetically hypothetically if you if you made sure that they could not have any access to food it could only shit

like how long okay if you locked them in a cage and only gave them water and vitamins they could survive for like years I don't think that's accurate no seriously I don't think that's accurate I'm talking like

water and vitamins where does what do you mean vitamins just like vitamins so you don't get scurvy and you're so afraid of the time scurvy I thought scurvy was going to be a much bigger problem in my life growing up like how Coley thinks the

how Coley thinks the traps you think scurvy well because I read so many pirate books that but you're not a pirate in my mind i am vitamin c yeah vitamin C yeah so that was the first thing i thought of when it was like so there's like a thing like you could survive because they have so many stored calories i think in a pound that energy i think in a pound of pure fat i think it's something like 10,000 calories or something around that was like 3500 even i mean even that even yeah but even that like so if you're 400 pounds and let's

years bro you get 3,500 you get you like a cool day and a half of nutritional value it turns out this is completely wrong fat people would only be able to survive longer if they had enough vital water soluble B vitamins in their system to metabolize fat storage so that's exactly what I said

water and vitamins big that's a big all right so let's that's a dub for Billy I don't think so that's the other big And what big, even what big T said, didn't say years. Well, I'm just saying like, like, depending on how much weight they had, they could probably survive for a pretty long time. You're thinking like the 1,000 pounds sisters.

Yeah. All right. There's a guy named Angus Barbary, Angus Barbary. Sounds like a large man. He was a big dude. He lived in Scotland. He fasted for 382 days living on tea, coffee, soda, water, and vitamins just living at home in Scotland. So he would just go check into the hospital, the local hospital every now and again, just to monitor and make sure that he wasn't actively dying.

He was 27 years old, and the doctors said that he should fast for a short amount of time. Barbary didn't believe him, and he wanted to reach his ideal weight. So I'm reading from Wikipedia right now. For 382 days, ending on July 11, 1966, he consumed only vitamins, electrolytes, an unspecified amount of yeast. and zero-calorie beverages like tea, coffee, and sparkling water, and small amounts occasionally of milk and sugar with the beverages. So his starting weight was 455 pounds. He stopped fasting when he reached his goal weight of 180 pounds after 382 days.

Yeah. What was this, what's his name? His name is Angus Barbary. It's the longest fast ever recorded. So that's why. obesity like so for example like humans got the ability to put on all that mass so that they could survive crazy times where they couldn't eat food so that's like so honestly all the people who easily put on body fat are going to do much better in a situation where they do not have food I was

reading a book yesterday actually this doesn't come from a TikTok this comes from a book um about how the bigger you are, the sensitivities that your brain has to be like your full decrease. So your brain, it's something to do with the body fat and the chemicals in the body fat interrupt. I think it's leptin, the chemical that tells your brain to stop eating. And so if the bigger you get, the less your brain tells you to stop eating. So if you are stripped of food in your situation that you're coming up with

you're a larger person and you are basically thrown without food I don't know how their body would react because their brain lets them eat more right but they're

ghrelin which is the other that's the hunger antagonist only releases the same amount so even though the leptin might not kick in you're only a hunger same amount to make the grelin stop what's grelin grelin is the synth is a hunger hormone oh which is also like the active like grelin has a great effect on your pituitary gland to release growth hormone and uh that's the basis of uh intermittent fasting

is that being hungry helps release more growth hormone which does a lot of stuff There are also a lot of cases of monks that used to fast for a month or so back in the day. They would just drink beer. They would drink like two beers a day. And that's where they would get their nutrition from. Well, this was like an old Irish thing. But sometimes like during like the like in like a construction worker once told me about this. And his philosophy was he only drank Guinness.

He didn't eat all day and just at the end of the day would just drink 10 guineas. And like that's and he like, that was his diet. Guinness has like a little bit of protein in it too There's an old I don't know if it's true or not But there's a story that rats used to crawl into the vats And they would die And so every Guinness would have like a little bit of meat in it So it's like more nutritious

It sounds like cap I just heard Guinness is good for you I've experimented with a few fasting things I did every now that I'll still do it Like a water fast I'll do water fast Like for like three days I'll do nothing but drink water Just to like reset and recline that's crazy uh i've done it's it's hard to do actually funny enough what helps me out because

like i be like it's the hunger just like takes over your head but what i do that helps me i would watch like naked and afraid episodes and like seeing them starve would help me i don't know so i would like binge watch naked or afraid episodes but another one that i did which is really interesting was i did nothing but potatoes for seven days oh so i just i just ate potatoes for seven days straight. And I, I, because I heard it, I don't know where I heard it, but, um, and I watched this YouTube about this dude who did it for like a year and he lost a whole lot to do it. It's a silent Bob. Yeah, Kevin Smith. Kevin Smith. So, so he, I guess he lost like, I don't know, a whole bunch of weight. He did it for an entire year. Um, I was on, I would, I just wanted to

try it out. And so I did it for like seven days. I lost nine pounds. I did eat nothing, but, and I told about, I ate as much potatoes as I wanted. Like, I didn't, I didn't dress them with anything. So I didn't, so I didn't. Like, I think I seasoned them. I probably some salt and pepper on them. But, like, it was all just baked. I just baked all of them. And, like, it's actually interesting.

The potatoes is probably one of the most nutritious food sources we have on the planet. So Kevin Smith's diet. I remember we talked to him a while ago. But he was very, very overweight. And so to get off of, you know, the lifestyle that he was in, to get healthy, his diet became that he would just eat potatoes and nothing but boiled potatoes. like seasoning, you know, nothing, but he could have as many potatoes as he wanted. And then gradually he got to introduce like broccoli to his diet.

And he lost a shitload of weight. He's pretty much like half the size that it used to be. That, I don't know. Like I understand that that potatoes are good for you, but I can't think of anything less appetizing than eating nothing but like unseasoned potatoes. Plain, yeah, plain potatoes is the tough part. I couldn't do it than not seasoned it. I had to put something on.

Maybe so much. That's wild. But what about just French fries? Yeah, you can't fry it. Oh, you can't fry it? That's unhealthy. So, Aaron, when you're doing your water cleanse, when you do your three days of just water, do you have like a meal that you eat to get yourself off it?

I don't, yeah, I wouldn't, I don't go right into, you know, steak and eggs. I think in order to do it responsibly, where I was told to, like, introduce your body back. into after after water fasting was like you just you juice and so you get like really fresh juices and um usually you can get them from the place you know the companies that juice and i would just get like you know kale celery apple whatever and just introduced that it's like day one i would eat juices or light foods like fruits stuff like that i'm sure i'm sure my body can handle it but that's just what i was told so i just did it so kevin smith went back on that diet during the uh during the pandemic because he put on some weight when he was in

quarantine and so he went back i can't i can't think of anything less like uh i don't know like just it would suck the soul out of me if i had spent two years eating nothing but potatoes and gotten down to my goal weight and then like five years later it's like oh shit you got to go do the potato thing again that's like that's definitely a one-time thing for me if i ever have to do it but he also was he was in an extreme circumstance where he had a hundred percent blockage of that one artery that uh the widow maker where if it goes then you're dead Oh, geez. Damn.

But, yeah, damn. Just eating nothing but potatoes. That's fucking gross. But I guess that's what they did in Ireland back in the day. Yeah. I did Keto over the summer last summer. Like, actually went hard on it. And it made me drop so much weight that that's why people started commenting Billy Apew on all my photos.

Because they thought I was doing drugs, but I was really just not eating carbohydrates. How long could you survive on water and cocaine? Hmm. Probably really long. You think so? You think Coke actually, like, would extend. Isn't it an appetite suppressant? Yeah, like, what if you're, like, smoking cigarettes and...

Well, can you smoke six? I don't know. In your hypothetical. Yes. Those nutritious cigarettes, yeah. But, like, all of those are, like, appetite suppressants. Like, Adderall, you just, you don't get hungry. Stimulants.

So, I mean, actually, I don't know if you would survive longer or you would just not get as hungry. You might die of something different. Fentanyl. Yeah, you might just overdose on cocaine. It might be another issue. Your heart would probably be all fucked up. I've also heard that fasting can mess with your organs,

like even your heart. It can give you arrhythmias and stuff. Damn, I didn't know that. But, yeah, snakes, they only eat like one meal a month sometimes, right? Yeah. Well, they're cold-blooded, so they have to heat themselves. So they don't need all their calories are dead. Decade towards just movement hunting, not heating.

That's what's sick about mammals. We like have our own heating system. Something to think about. It is pretty sick. If we were in a yellow jacket situation, like all of us, how do you think that would go? Like what would go down? Honestly, that's when Billy would shine, I think. I do too.

Either Billy would absolutely shine or he would come back day one. with some sort of poisonous part of a poisonous animal and we'd all eat and die and die. Well, I think the most important part would be teamwork and cohesion. Would we go yellow jackets and like start eating each other? No, no, well, that's what happens? No, I, well, it's

still a little nebulous. Spoiler alert. We don't know. Yeah, no, it's all about like, for example, I know people like, you know, being on a zoo, but like, the whole thing is like cohesion and like in those situations it's not about like it's about just accomplishment and group dynamic just getting small wins

no no it's just not about wins it's not about winning or losing it's surviving surviving yeah that's winning and losing it's a pretty big no back right but it's like it's going to be like okay guys this is what we got to do we need food shelter water first let's start building shelter other group go out to get one to find water that's a win but that that applies that there's a competition accomplishment but like you're trying to win life yeah right but once

but once it gets in those situations once it starts to get quote unquote competitive who can get most wins that almost makes the group that's not the competition that's interesting though that you say that though bill

well because I've been that competition creates non cohesion in a communal well in a interesting yeah interesting thought big team what would your move be Would you become a communist? Like if us, if all of us were trapped somewhere in the woods.

Right out of the plane wreckage. Like, I have a communist now. Yeah, we have a cabin. There's like a pond nearby. But we're trying to like contact, you know, people for help, search and rescue things like that. But we're going to be there for a few months. What's mine is yours? Are you like if you find it, you eat what you kill?

A survival situation is very different than the construction of an economic system. a country. Agreed. I'm just curious. I don't think it's really an ideological problem at that point. It's very, how's it very, how's it different though? I mean, I guess you can have a philosophical difference as to whether or not you're like

every man for himself or whatever. I don't I think if we were all trying to be in everybody's best interest, we would but that's very different than being a communist. It will, the type of it's because we're trying to not die in that. situation that would be one of the situations where nobody's trying to not die right now

no but for example everybody's trying to not die sure but we're all living under a system where most people are fine now now think about it this way so what no no no what but billy's been trying to get this point out for like a minute what you mean most people like most people are not fine most people live check to check or worse most people are not fine what he means is that food water shelter in most many cases has already been achieved i do think that there's a big difference between a group of like seven to ten people and then yeah seven billion people i would consider us a homogenous group in that we all are the same and that we know each other work on the same podcast so we are a insular group in that way. So, for example, let's say we all bring stuff to the table.

We have hunters, gatherers, you know, people stayed home to build. And we all come back at the end of the day. If I bring a deer home, you know, and then we have fish coming from there. We have berries. We have fruits. We'd allocate them not equally, but in that we had an equal, like, share of the stuff. we gave to others what we deemed necessary. Just a word of warning. I'm recording this after we taped the rest of the show. Things get very real on today's episode. Would you say that's fair, Big T?

Contentious, yeah. Things get contentious in a good way. We're going to talk about different survival situations where we would excel, where other people in this group maybe might not excel, maybe where there might be some fractures in our relationship as a podcast, what different roles we would fit in. and we're going to do some voicemails too. We also have two very special guests joining us on today's episode.

And I can say this now, Billy's gone. Billy is big, big fan boys of these guys. And Billy also thinks that he can survive in the wilderness way better than the rest of us. We're going to find out whether or not that's true. Spoiler alert, Billy and Big Tea might actually try to kill each other. The interview is going to be with Donnie Dust and Ray Livingston. They're on Mud, Sweat and Beards. It airs Monday, 1110 Central on USA Network.

These guys are survival experts. Go check them out online. Very fascinating guys. We're going to talk to them about their show and about their different experiences in survival situations. Then we're going to get into the entire episode of macrodosing. After we talk to them, we get a baseline on survival skills. So again, Donnie Dust, Ray Livingston. And then later on coming up, we've got the macrodose.

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But again, it's, uh, it's Donnie Dustin Ray Livingston, Mud Sweat and Beards, Monday 11 on USA Network. What's up, guys. Um, so I'm Billy. Uh, you guys are one of the few, rare individuals on this planet who probably have the wealth of knowledge to actually go into the wilderness and survive and be totally sustainable, something that I think has really been lost in the majority of modern populations nowadays. And honestly, I just love to pick your brain about everything. I mean, first things first, one of my first questions is so like most of us have our go-to meal. We're in an office, right? You know, we have the place that we know that we'll deliver fast. We know we can get a quick bite to eat. You guys is, you know, being able to live off

the land, be self-sustainable. What's your go-to easy meal to, you know, muster up out of whatever environments you're in that you know it would be a good bite to eat something, you know, not something big, like not go out and kill an elk or a large mammal, but something that you know can gather quickly just to get a quick snack and get it going. Got it. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I think it's a great question. And first of all, thanks for having us. This is pretty awesome. I appreciate it greatly.

But, you know, one of the things that Ray and I really employed on the show, and it's something that I know we both teach in a lot of our courses is a fish-first mentality. Reason being is fish are pretty obtainable when you, you know, come across them. Typically, you're in a stream, a pond or a water. And it's not hard to create a, you know, some sort of primitive sense. spear or make some fishing hooks or just really take anything or anything you'd come across in the natural environment and pull some fish out of the water. You know, they're pretty much self-contained. You know, you're, you're hunting an elk or a moose or anything like that. It could pick up and

run for miles. Fish, you typically hang around at the edges. They're like the basking the sun. They bite on simple lures and different rigs. So I think, you know, a fish first is just, that's an always, that's a first. You come across water, do you fish first? Yeah. I agree with Donnie on that. That's fish first for your animal food, for your proteins, and the fats that you get out of them. You know, on the way to the stream, though, we keep our eyes open for whatever we can find foraging. So depending on where you're at, berries are a good source of constant food that you don't have to chase. And then kind of like your bushcrafting staples, like plant, nettle and those type of plants that you find just about everywhere and that you know that you're going to find so you kind of keep a lookout for them for some vegetables or foraging foods and then if you're in a situation where you have to look deeper from that then there's you know some stuff like in the swamps Louisiana we found ground nuts and they take a bunch of work

to get and find, but they're available. And then in the high desert, we had the, what was that, the Sega? That was Sega, right? Sega Lily. Sega Lily. And those take a little bit more work to get to, but we try to get the stuff that's easy first. So between the two of you, is there any competition?

Like, who's the better survivalist? Or is it just you guys competing against the elements, against nature, against the forces of Earth? Or, like, is there like a little bit where you want to prove that you're better than the other guy? May I, Donnie? Yeah, I mean, I think that's the whole point of this is that Ray and I, we're not there really to compete against each other. I mean, we're kind of a symbiotic relationship and Ebony and Ivory sort of relationship where, you know, we're out there to have fun. And I think a lot of survival shows and just maybe even what people do in their off time with

their friends, there's always competition. And I think for us, it's not even really competing against Mother Nature. It's more about just kind of living within her, thriving within her, kind of finding those inner pieces and, you know, really reveling and marveling in those moments where, you know, it's a cool sunset or, you know, Ray catches a huge catfish or just all those little things that just builds us together. It doesn't really drive us apart. I agree 100%. I like the word alignment. We have to align ourselves with each other and just like we're aligning ourselves with nature, we're all different elements and we're coming in and we're trying to build this synergetic relationship and a successful partnership with

nature between ourselves, with our production team. And I think we really succeeded to doing so in this show. And I'm excited about how it's turning out. Now, Donnie, I was looking through both of your guys is social, but Donnie has some extremely mesmerizing videos where he crafts primitive tools such as, you know, arrowheads, uh, stone age, uh, axes. And honestly, go check them out if you have some time because you can just spend hours watching these. And, uh, Dynne, I got to ask, when you're hitting the stone, sometimes, you know, you take a two very, you know, blunt objects, but for some, some, some, way you make such precise movements with them that actually like you know it's i can't even

explain it but when you're hitting a large i can't i don't know the exact material of rock you're using but are there different techniques you use to carve out certain shapes and to actually sharpen the the edges and how sharp can you get those edges comparatively yeah so i mean flint kidnapping is just an ancient art form and toolmaking form. And I mean, we've used stone longer than we've used steel. It's kind of my mentality and approach. But there's a lot of technique involved. And I can tell you, it's taken many years to kind of understand how each stone works with

every impact from a large cobblestone to a piece of chert or flint or obsidian or no vaculate, Like all these different types of stones, they all react differently based on the impacts. And there is a process to removing the stone. You know, you start with a large piece of stone and then eventually, you know, you try to get it down to something that's relatively thin to be worked into a tool, whether it's an axe or a drill. But there's a lot of kind of give and take. You know, you break open a 10 million-year-old stone and you never know what you're going to find in the end. that I found everything from fossils to crystals to just baking voids on the inside and it breaks in your hand. But flintnapping is, it's definitely an art form and it's, there's a very lengthy process.

A lot of people start, they try to flintnap and you think it should be easy. It goes, oh, I'm just breaking stone, but every hit is at a specific angle in a reference to how you hold the stone and what you're hitting it with, the mass of the object, whether it's a round cobblestone or an antler billet. And, I mean, they're all. I mean, every point, every blade that, you know, I have or make is just razor sharp. I mean, I think you'll probably see some butchering in Louisiana with some stone. And just, I mean, obsidian is sharper than a razor blade when you, you know, when you break it down to get out of the microscope. It's incredibly sharp.

So, Flynnapping's just been my journey. And it's a great way to kind of slow down in the bush and then realize that you can make everything that you have. absolutely need from the natural landscape because we've been doing it for thousands and thousands of years. Ray, I had a question for you because I was reading your bio and I saw that you and your dog were the 2016 canine and handler of the year. And your dog is named Leroy. I had a dog named Leroy as well. I think that's the best name ever for a dog. It doesn't get much better than that. But I'm curious about like your experience, how are you judged as being like canine and handler of the year? Is it like mostly based on the dog's behavior or are people actually grading your

technique in handling your dog? Well, there's a lot of fine handlers within our organization. And I think when they're doing that, they're looking at your dedication. Like, I think we responded to 28 calls for service that year. And we had the highest number of fines. So we found people, whether they were responsive or non-responsive, but we had the most fines and responded to the most calls. So it was really kind of just paying homage to your dedication and the results that you get out there. So that was voted on by the board of directors for our search and rescue group. Oh, that's great. So it's a search and rescue dog. So you're actually going out in like different types of situations and trying to find people that have gotten lost.

somehow so that that's very cool um exactly and uh in terms of like you guys working together i've always thought and i'm maybe i'm just like um uh i'm kind of ignorant when it comes to the world of survival most of what i've learned has been through shows i've seen on tv like uh survivor man or whether it's bare grills um but it's always struck me as being like a a very like a individual type effort being out in nature and and doing these sorts of things How is it, is it kind of strange to collaborate on that? Or has that always been something like, have you guys been individuals before doing this sort of thing? Or was it kind of weird to come together and collaborate on a survival situation?

Well, I would say for probably both of us, we spend a lot of time alone. We are distinct individuals. And for most of the time, we roam the world alone. However, it is awesome to come together with a like. minded individual, a very skilled individual, someone that I love and respect as a brother, and to have these adventures. It really, I mean, it lightens a load. And the whole point of this show is to allow us to do more than we would be able to accomplish as an individual. You know, I can do so much, and I do it my way, and Donnie can do so much, and he does it

his way. But when we come together, it becomes a synergy that we're able to accomplish exponentially more than we would be able to accomplish as working as individuals. And that's really the point of the show and have fun doing it. Cool. You got any questions? Are there any instances where y'all have a certain way of doing something and it's conflicting with each other? You know what saying? You're like, well, I think it's better if we do it this or I think, you know what I'm saying? Was there any kind of instance in one of those aspects? Yeah, I mean, I think on the show we didn't really come across a lot of that. I mean, we were always throwing out different ideas, but I think it's grown men.

And, you know, we kind of live by the idea of lead by example. So instead of arguing about a point or something that's really not going to progress as where we need to go, we just, you know, express each other's ideas and be like, yeah, let's go with yours or let's go with mine. And we try it. if you try it and you, you know, you don't reach a certain level of success, well, then you deviate. And I don't, I think Ray and I were very adaptable. We can change our minds based off Ray's input or my input. And it's not something where it's, we have to do it my way or we have

to do it his way. It's, we like the sharing of ideas and how we can go about approaching, you know, different, you know, problem solving requirements. That's beautiful. Because I think my, um, the appeal to American TV, is like drama, right? So, like, when I watch, when I watch, like, naked and afraid, because that, that used to be my shit. I love that show. I think, I think the more intriguing episodes are when people are at odds with each other,

but it's dope that you guys are, like, not like that. And you guys promise that you're wearing your clothes the entire time, too, right? Well, so. They tried. Yeah, yeah. There's a few blurry shots, but. But, you know, Ray and I, we get along. And I think there's so much survival TV out there that is drama-based.

And it's kind of like, that's not necessarily the case. I mean, how many times you go on camping or hunting or just hiking with a friend and you just genuinely have a good time? Why can't we show more of that? Still, you know, discuss the issues, the food, the hunger, the weather. But let's present like a whole new level of authenticity to the outdoors and get people, you know, inspired. You know what? I can go do that.

And when it comes down to it, I trust Donnie implicitly or whatever he's doing. So we'll discuss the things that we're working on together and we need to work in and collaboration. But if it comes down to, hey, we need a fire bill. I don't question how he's going to do it. Like he can rub sticks together. He can call lightning from heavens. Whatever he does, there's going to be a fire. And when he sends me off, like, hey, I'm going to go take care of this. I'm going to find a way to do it. and quite often we don't even know exactly how we're going to accomplish that task.

We just, hey, let's go and do it. There's 50-date ways to skin this cat. Let's figure out how to do it. And we get it done and our efforts support each other. Cool. You got anything for these guys? Well, I mean, if you can call lightning, I definitely wouldn't rub sticks together. That feels like a waste of time.

I mean, we're talking about all these other survival shows, and the one that comes to mind is literally Survivor. how do you have you ever watched that show and are you just like oh I would win this so easily like do you have any any aspirations to just go out there and dominate you know I when I was younger when it was first around I watched a couple episodes and you know I was a fan but I think I'd be probably kicked off pretty quick um well I just feel like whoever provides they don't want that person there they just want to like get him to a certain point and then they're going to, you know, cut them out.

They want all the backstabbing, the drama. You know what I mean? They like the drama sort of stuff. What I envision in my mind is I would slowly start my own camp and then start taking captives and then the other camp. Like, I don't want to go down a rabbit hole of what I would actually do, but it would be a So you're anti backstabbing, but go taking prisoners. Yeah, if you're open about it, if you're like, hey, this is what I'm going to do.

I'm going to show up and I'm going to dominate so hard that I'm going to make my own show that you guys will all be contestants on. It takes the camera guys first. Turn into most dangerous games. No, you actually turn it into like a real, like everyone is now trying to survive with you on the island. That's awesome.

That's kind of what I envision in my head. I'm in your camera, bro. Yeah, race there. I've got a scenario for you guys. I've always wondered about this. If I'm just stuck on a wrap, in the middle of the ocean let's say that there's a plane crash and I'm the only one that gets on a life raft and just me floating out let's call it the South Pacific so you got some sun for the most part that's that type of climate

what do I do how do I survive in that situation how long do you think that you could pull off surviving just you and a life raft just that's a tough one that's a tough one I mean The biggest concern is getting water. And while you're surrounded by water, the salt water is going to dehydrate you. So you may have to sacrifice some of your clothing, some of that life raft to find a way to collect the dew, and then try to find a way to get some food. But the water, the solving the water issue is going to be paramount. And if you've just got that life raft and nothing else, and you can't figure out something to find a way to collect the dew or collect water or something. more stuff but just enjoy the ride enjoy the ride you out i think in that scenario i mean

fortunately if it's the you know the pacific the south pacific hopefully currents will be able to bring you it's the right time of year you'll get some decent rainstorms which would be a source of water um like sushi but you got to get creative with building fishing rigs but exposure to the sun and hydration will take you. I mean, there's a lot of stories that people that have lived on life rafts for 40-some days and eventually they come across.

But there's a lot of adaptation and just taking whatever opportunity comes your way is something to potentially keep going another day. Is it true that drinking salt water, drinking ocean water will drive you crazy? Yeah, I mean, there's a point of where your body can't

consume that much salt. So you basically start to shut down and it's going to impact your your brain function and that's where you start to kind of hallucinate go crazy maybe if you're with somebody else they start to appear like a chicken leg or a cold beer or something like that yeah there is no bueno yeah now i got i got a couple specific questions for both of you and i'm going to start with ray ray what are why do you uh so i went through both your guys socials what do you find uh uh better about mangalika pigs other than other pork breeds. I was, because that's one of those deep dives I would have taken, but I didn't have just enough time. What do you find special about that breed? First of all, I live about 20

miles from the Canadian border up in northeastern Washington. So we get, we get some cold. And Mangalitza's are a lard breed and the only hairy pig. So they're better adapted for handling the cold. They got a great temperament, but the big thing, well, they're cute as heck. But the big thing is they're also considered the Kobe beef or the wagoo of pork. I have a lot of intramuscular fat. And if I'm going to grow food, like if I'm going to go get a steak, I don't eat a whole lot of red meat, but if I'm going to get a steak, I'm going to get a flamenon. If I'm going to grow, if I'm going to grow pigs and have great food, I want the best. And so as far as the quality of their meat and their fat is concerned, their lard is pure, just literally pure, some of the best lard you can get.

So for the meat, for the lard usage, and they convert food into weight very well. So they can forage and root and that will reduce your food costs. It's just a great efficient pig to bays, but also they taste awesome. So they have that marbling in the meat. Nice. Yeah, I'm looking at the pictures of the Mangalika right now. They're very cute. They're very cute pigs.

They got the curly, like furry hair. They really do. Like a woolly pig. Yeah, like a woolly pig, exactly. Billy's very into like specific types of breeds of animal. Usually he just, Billy's preferences, whatever the largest specific breed would be. What's the biggest breed of pig? It's got to be one of those.

I don't even know. It's probably some hybrid cross commercial pigs that we probably don't want to know what the genetics went into making it. Yeah. Do you have any other livestock on your property? Oh, just the pigs. A dog, a couple of cats. Awesome. Now, Donnie, I know that you've done a lot of work being a consultant and an advisor on Hollywood sets with different types of movies.

And my question is, is what is the biggest misconception that you try to correct when dealing with writers, directors, when you're advising these different movies? Yeah, I think when it comes down to like the survival specifics, I think it really comes down to time. They replicate a lot of things that make it seem that you can achieve a task, build a shelter, make a fire, find food very, very, very quickly. And that's definitely not the case. I mean, there's days where I turned my hands bloody trying to spin a hand drill. There's days where Ray and I have, you know, looked for food continuously, have not found those right options. It seems like a lot of, like, Hollywood productions, they presented with an obstacle, and within,

like, three minutes, that obstacle is kind of solved. And I get it. It's, it's, you know, a movie and whatnot. But, you know, I always get a kick when I watch a movie and someone is absolutely freezing cold and suddenly they're able to crank out like a bow drill fire and they've never done it before and uh you know next thing you know there's a fire rock and roll and i can tell you i've talked many students and people that have done a lot about door times it can take some time to create a friction fire in some of the worst kind of conditions possible so just kind of realistic time management

is my thing um big tea you have any questions yeah so i watched the first episode of the show where y'all were in Alaska, I believe, and it was really good, really enjoyed it. And it said throughout the show, y'all will go to the Alaskan Wilderness, Louisiana, Swampland, New Mexico Desert, and Icelandic shores. So I was just curious of all those, what is the biggest challenge you found maybe in each of them or just overall? And then would you, which one of those would you say is the most difficult environment to survive in? yeah i mean i think for for me personally i found iceland to be kind of the most captivating because it's kind of like a mysterious place in some people's eyes and we're way up in the

northern fjords but uh iceland doesn't have a lot of anything i mean food pretty much all comes from the water there's not a lot of resources so you have to be very creative and you know and adaptive into that overall environment. You're battling the, you know, northern oceans that are freezing cold, the weather, the hours of daylight. But I think Iceland was probably one that I was excited to go to because it's, you know, a whole new environment. I'd never been there before. So everything was just kind of freshen in the eyes. And yeah, I think we had some troubles there in certain ways, but we had some pretty big successes that I don't think.

anyone's ever going to believe when they actually watch it on TV. Yeah. You know, all the locations have their pros and cons. And, you know, in Louisiana, you're dealing with the mosquitoes and the heat and try to not get the swamp itch, which, you know, but you also have, you know, a lot of dangerous animals around, but you also have an abundance of food everywhere. So there's a balance there in Alaska. You know, it's cold. You're dealing with 24 hours of sun, but there's also a whole lot of potential abundance in the food and the forage

and the fauna out there. And New Mexico, for me, as I'm not Donny Dust, king of the desert, New Mexico was the more challenging one for me because it was probably the more foreign to me. I mean, even Iceland resembles areas of the Oregon coast and Washington coast where I've spent a lot of time. But in New Mexico, you know, everything's far and wide. It's a desert. So, you know, while we have a pretty good area to roam, we need more. We need to, like, quadruple the space in order to really, really feed ourselves outside of a hunting season.

And together there's the stuff we need and the trap. And so it took a lot of energy and the heat took a lot of it took a lot out of us. we like that was probably the toughest location for me awesome now touching back on iceland i remember dynes said that iceland was very breathtaking and aspiring and we've talked about this on the show before how many people in iceland still believe that there are you know magical beings that live out in their land be it fairies be it uh you know gnomes or trolls and as guys who've spent a lot of time in the woods, have you ever, what is the strangest thing you've seen out there that you could, that people that you saw and were like, no one's ever

going to believe I've seen this, be it, you know, something with animals, be it something you can't explain. I mean, recently there was a something seen over the sky in Alaska and people think it was, you know, extraterrestrial. Is there anything that you guys have seen out there that you'd think that man no one would ever believe me if saying that coming back go for it right well more than even being a survivalist i consider myself a spiritual adventurer and in in my world anything is as plausible and as possible as the next and so i walk through the woods and wonder i can't say it's stuff that you've actually seen it's more experiences for me And so I feel, I know I've got a strong connection with the natural world, and it's been more, I'm looking for something.

And this can kind of happen in real time on camera a couple times. I'm looking for something. I can't find it. And then I remember I need to pay homage to the land, appreciate the place I'm in, appreciate the beauty, and ask permission from the land. And then several times in my life and several times throughout the production, what we were looking for and couldn't find suddenly appears before. us and so it's those type of experiences about the land providing for us when you when you align yourself with it that that people don't believe that i have to the to the degree that i have but it was awesome to be able to capture some of that real time on camera oh that's awesome yeah i've

never seen these are big floater any of that stuff i spent most days you know in the woods more than most and uh just i've never seen anything yeah you're hearing a you know weird sound or something like that but nothing that would uh stand out as it's a yeti a saskatch a fairy a gnome anything like that um could they exist yeah absolutely um that's not my you know i'm not really focused i'm like all right i need to eat something and if it is a fairy i will eat it um no i just got that d I got a question, man. This is more like a philosophical question.

Because y'all spent so much time in the, you know, in nature, in where we evolved from. What do you feel like the modern society, our technologically advanced society that we spend all day on our phones? What do you feel like the thing from nature that you guys get that, we're missing, because I'm a city kid. I'm not going to go and know nothing, but what do you feel like we're missing as a society as a whole from what you guys get from the experience out there? Yeah, I think people,

they forget where they come from and kind of their natural connection to the landscape, whether it's, you know, taking your shoes off and walking barefoot or eating something, maybe they've foraged or hunted, but I believe they're, a loss of that kind of natural connection. I always call it your primal well-being. So I believe in like a mental, physical, emotional, and primal well-being. That's like four tattoos on my

finger. And that primal well-being is something that I believe alleviate stress, makes people healthier. It gives them a sense of wonder and curiosity, because all things in this world can be led by curiosity. And I think when we remove the natural world from it, And there's so many easy answers on social media and all sorts of news outlets, easy answers, we lose that curiosity and the natural world holds that curiosity. What's over the next mountain? What's around the next bend? And when we kind of embrace that natural curiosity, we just feel better.

We kind of embrace that ancestral kind of DNA about exploring the world and adventuring and searching for kind of new places. And I think if people did more of that, a lot of the stresses, that they have in the life of the things that they believe to be a value of or of importance in their normal lives would just quickly kind of fade away. So yeah, it's a connection, a rewilding. I understand that perspective. That makes sense to me because it's like if you're out in nature, all the stuff that we

have that builds up in our heads as stressors, as things that might make us feel uncomfortable or give us anxiety, when you're out in nature in more of a like a bare bone situation, and you realize what's actually important for your day-to-day well-being, right? And you don't have all that other junk cluttering it up a little bit. Absolutely. Absolutely. I say I really support Donnie on that connection, too. And in that connection, we find our place in the world and the universe. You know, when you look for the answers in the world of society and mankind and social media,

what you find are things with bias. Most of these people want to buy you something, sell you something, influence you to think a certain way or to align with something else. When you're out in nature, you watch and see the interconnect of this. You see the way that the bees interact with the flowers and the trees have symbiotic relationships with different other plants and animals. And you see how connected we all are in this and without bias. And you kind of understand how life really. should be how how we should coexist with each other how we should help each other without biased or without necessarily expecting something from other people but in doing so that's going to feed us

and feed our souls and and provide for us in a in a cyclical manner you know you see that we're connected i've got i've got one last question then we'll let you guys go but again you can check it out mud sweat and beards mondays at 1110 central on us a network want to thank donnie dust and ray livingson for joining us today my last question for you guys is what is the scariest situation you've ever found yourself in and how did you overcome that go for a ray for me uh it was a couple times with wild animals uh i found myself up front and up front and center with both a sow bear with a couple of cubs and a lioness cougar with a couple of cubs and i was initially scared but i just kind of sat down and watched i mean they weren't

they weren't acting threatening towards me so i sat down and watched and they we just had a good old time they let their cubs the cubs played together and climbed trees and but initially it was like Because those are typically those worst-case scenarios, getting with a mother and her children. And, you know, I felt blessed to just be able to sit and watch and enjoy them doing what they do on a daily basis. Was it a black bear or brown bear? Black bear. I think for me, you know, I've had plenty of run-ins with animals and I've served overseas. But I think for me, personally, like, the scariest moment was when my sons were born.

And, like, I was like, holy shit. What is that? It's pretty awesome. I created it. I had a good time doing it. But now this whole world has just kind of changed in a different way. And I think from that point, the scary moment, which is also the most joyous moment, was like, all right, now I need to, you know, teach two young men how to think, not necessarily what to think and to, you know, allow them to grow and to be who they are just the way, you know, that I am. to be me, but to be their own people.

And you're just to embrace it. So scary, but awesome, very, very joyous. Yeah, that's like the most primitive feeling that you can have is be like, I made this life. Now what do I do with it? Oh, shit. All right. Well, thank you guys.

Donnie Dust, Ray Livingston. I appreciate you guys. Check them out. Mud, sweat and beards Monday, 11, 10 central. Billy's going to be watching every episode, tell you that much. You can find it on USA Network. Thank you guys for joining us. Appreciate your job.

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it, I'm sure it would be better. Like it just something to give a little bit of flavor. They bring salt and pepper. I was to say, isn't salt like a preservative? Yeah, you can cure it. Yeah. Now I looked up pictures of that pork that Billy was talking about. Dude, I wish I could talk to them for like the whole episode it looks awesome dude so way go pork yeah so don what's that what's that pig called again mangalica

manga I'll send you guys a link no so um uh donnie so Ray is a killer marksman he can like like sniper type but like more for hunting and then donnie can throw spears and literally he could hunt deer with spears

and he makes the spears himself and I wanted to ask him like how like because he also has a set of arrows and he has a bow that he made and he'll like spear deer and stuff and use like ancient like not like bow hunting with a bow and arrow he made

and he says that his spears like sometimes he has to replace the wood but the arrow heads like last forever he's like yeah no I'm like that was a clip but it's It's super interesting stuff. That's going to fuck with, like, future archaeologists. They look up in the past.

Like, what was life like in the year 2022 in, like, Beaverton, Oregon? And they find, like, all these stone spears and shit. And they're like, it was still early man creating tools. Yeah, Hunter Galleries. Yeah, out of Flint, out of Flint and obsidian. And it's like, no, that guy. Cast of society. That guy was just, like, he has a TV show and he was doing an interview with a podcast.

I mean, obviously these guys I saw some of the stone axes and tools he was making the guy's legit like dude they're art they're like artists he's dangerous like that man those two are going to survive no matter what happens the next decade nuclear war whatever those two are set

they're way better off than any of us right now I don't know I think what is you Billy's hilarious what do you do the supply chain he's just like bowing out They can survive a nuclear war. What the fuck is you? Oh, you're telling me when shit breaks down.

We're in these urban areas. There's going to be looting. You just said they can survive a nuclear war. Yeah, because they're... How can a survival, anything, make you survive radiation, bro? Well, it's not radiation. They're far from population centers that would be nuked. Their nuclear exposure would probably be lower than anybody else.

And they'll still be able to survive. But I'm in Oregon right now. If Oregon gets new... This nigg. He's dying too, bro. No, but he's... Aaron, you don't even... He's out there.

You don't even know. He's, like, really good at throwing spears. Dude, but I'm just saying... Clean out of the sky with a spear. Well, I'm just saying, let's say, I mean, let's say supply chain breaks down. There's a food shortage. They're set.

He's got his mangalica pigs. He'll be eating bacon while we're fighting for bacon at the supermarket and dying for it. He'll just be chilling with his breeding litter of pigs. I think Billy is like in... theory, right, that if they're out in the wilderness when a nuclear war starts, they're probably more likely to know how to survive because they are survivalists. But I mean, if you live in Oregon and let's just say that Seattle gets hit with a nuke or probably even San Francisco, there's going to be radiation shit that that hits them. Right. But you guys know that there's been over like

2000 nuclear bombs detonated on this earth since the invention. So like nuclear bombs going off like it doesn't mean radiation goes everywhere right it's it's sort of like all two thousand have been like downtown Tokyo and shit like that hasn't been the case most of them are in like a remote island right south pacific where everybody on the surrounding islands gets cancer and dies that is not proven with the bikini is there's three people who stood under a nuclear bomb that detonated above them and they've i think they all lived into their 80s. They actually got superpowers. All right.

Here's where we're going to have to fact check Bill in real time. Okay, let's look this up. Wait, what do you mean stood under? Wait, wait, wait, let me see this. Wait, Aaron, what he means is a nuclear bomb got dropped on two people's heads. And then they lived longer than pretty much anybody. The men, Colonel Sidney Bruce, Lieutenant Colonel Frank P. Ball, Major Norman, Bodie, Baudinger, Major John Hughes, and Don LaTrell stood their ground as a nuclear explosion went off 3.5 miles above their heads. The day five, the day five men willingly stood under a nuclear explosion, popular mechanics.

Like, I'm not saying nuclear bombs are not dangerous. They are 100% dangerous. Thank you for clarifying. You're talking about like it's a loaded gun in somebody's house, like a loaded 9mm. It's a fucking nuclear warhead that's been designed to end the entire planning. I'm just saying like if like Portland or Seattle gets nuked and this dude who's living 10 miles from the Canadian border, I don't. think like there's a blast radius it's probably you know i sure that i'm i'm maybe i don't know the you're right i don't know the radius of the of the radiation what i thought you i thought you

was saying like you said they could survive a nuclear war like i'm thinking like nukes is raining down and these dudes is making arrowheads to survive it come on man i know like he can't actually survive a bomb blast i don't think anybody can't accept cockroaches but that's facts just uh No, they're pretty cool dudes. I was down a couple. I like their perspective. Yeah. Because I often think about that.

I often think about how complacent we are as a society. And I think it's due to us not being able to see the stars. Like if there was no light pollution and you can see how big the Milky Way galaxy is and how gorgeous it actually is, I think there would be so much more humility. Like, it's just an awe-inspiring sight. And people back in the day with no electricity and light pollution, they could see that shit on a daily base. You walk outside at night and you can see the Milky Way.

But we can't see that shit now. That shit is, I think that would change the way we think as a society. Renaissance. They're just staring at the sky, making inventions. I think that my money would probably be on Warren Buffett to be the guy that survived the longest after nuclear war. Because he's out in the middle of nowhere. He's in what?

Omaha. Nebraska? Yeah, he's in Omaha. And he's also like one of the richest people in the world. He definitely has. I mean, if you have that much money, you're definitely dropping a couple million on making a survival bunker stocked up with all the stuff. Like it's actually the survival stuff's actually pretty, uh, affordable. If you look at the like, I know, I got my soup.

Yeah. Like how much soup did you pay for? I think it was like 250 bucks worth of soup for. For like 400 servings. Did it? Did it came in? Yeah, it came in. This time it came in.

So I've been eating some of the broccoli, the broccoli rice soup is pretty good. It's good? Yeah, it's not bad. I don't know why you're eating it right now. You're going to need it later. I have to test it. I have to know how to make it. Stupid.

Billy, you many things that's going on. Like something about the hell? Oh, I don't know. I just was born in 1999. Two years after I was born, there was a terror attack that took down two towers. And now I live through a pandemic. Oh, Billy's reading.

Everything was fine. He saw this on a meme and he's just reading it off now. No, but like, think about my world. view is so much like skewed because of like think about it okay I was you thought about it I was born in 1985 I had all that shit happened to me too I mean we like literally yeah the end of the cold war now we're the beginning of the third cold war I mean the second cold war I mean we're literally wait are we in a cold war right now well we're there's a there's war in Europe my grandma went like it's actually really tough on my grandma I was talking my grandma about this the other day she was

like when she was a little girl there was war in Europe and she watched the whole century like America progress, all this stuff happened, like progress. And now it's 2021. There's war in Europe again. I'm just going to throw this out here, Billy. I think most people, when they're alive, crazy shit happens on the earth. I think you're kind of, you're stuck in that. Like, you're just like everybody else.

I know it's weird to hear. No, no. But everybody else has had weird shit happen. Like, think about Forrest Gump. Forrest Gump had way more weird shit happened to them than you did. Honestly, I would put my, like, at 23 years old, I've, I've been through some weird shit. Have you? Like some Forrest Gump type shit.

What way? Let's hear it. Yeah, let's hear it. I want to hear this. Okay, he was two when 9-11 happened. I'm telling you guys, I'm trying to find it right now. It's literally like a tweet. No, I'm just saying. It's like, why am I depressed? Oh, I don't know when I was in kindergarten. I saw the twin towers getting knocked down.

I never said, I never said I was depressed. Then we went to war. I'm just saying, why do you guys think that's, you guys are like, what, like, do you think something actually weird is going to happen? What is the weird shit? What is the weird shit that you have been through Robbie stood right under a tower of seven as it was crumbling. That's what I'm saying. You know what?

Whatever. Billy, I'm just saying that we lived through like all the same stuff that you did. Like I could like literally we were on earth too. Right before right before I turned 18, 9-11 happened and there was a bunch of like there were two wars that happened right after that. And then I went to college and then the stock market collapsed like it had never collapsed before. And the job market was at its worst point ever. Right. But that was when I was eight.

And then that's when I entered the job field. I know, but I'm saying like I could make every event that's happened relevant to my life too. Yeah, but he was not No, but you guys, the question was, I'm not saying it's really to me.

It's like, why do I think that like some scenario might happen where we might have like witness a collapse of traditional civilization and have to sort of do sustenance stuff because a lot of weird stuff has happened. I don't think, but that's the question.

Not that I think I'm special. Billy, you ever heard of World War II? It is. That's exactly what it is. Exactly. This happens to every generation. Every generation, since the Bible was written, believe that they were going to be the

generation that saw the downfall of society and the end of the world. That's all you're talking about. That's like, Billy needs to rewrite. We didn't start a fire. Global, like global warming. Right. Yeah. They move the goalpost as to what's going to end the world.

But every generation believes they're going to be the ones that see it. Billy, what was going through your head on December 21st, 2000? I was with my buddies because I thought the world was going to end I know I was to I was too I was too but I by the way when I said that one was like so widely passed around that I was like you know what this one might this actually might be the ones those mine sorry those minds they are pretty advanced civilization yeah you see apocito yeah not really what they uh there's a theory that it the world did it in 2012 and we're living in like a post vacuum um not simulation but the world did end we're just we don't realize it yet we're kind of in a like purgatory like state so i saw another thing that you know how the ethiopian calendars 10 years before us yes and Ethiopia operates on a different calendar something to do with the gregorian and augustine calendar and the pope switched everyone in europe but ethiopia is on a different calendar that's 10 years before so there was like 20 22

was really 2012 okay so this this December is when it's going to happen yeah um speaking to people that didn't survive uh arian thoughts and prayers to your guy frank Vogel. Already offty? He's get, yeah. Well, today. He's going to find out today. He's going to find out today.

And so he did a bad job of signing Russ Westbrook this offseason. So he's the guy that's getting fired for it. LeBron is throwing him under the nearest bus. And it's going to back over him, too. So, um... Tell me, explain me just like, Bron through the coach under the bus. Yeah, I mean, that's... As he has with every coach he's ever had in his career.

First time. Pretty much exactly what's happening. They had a bad team, and so they're blaming the coach for it. How quickly we forget NBA champion, Frank Vogel? Well, this is an interesting point, PFT, because you would think someone who won a title two years ago would... Would you stop with the bullshit? I'm in the middle of talking, Ariane.

But I can't let you spout bullshit to people. Well, no, listen, if a coach truly won a championship one season ago, they wouldn't fire him via Twitter and not to his face. They would show him a little bit more respect than that. But that's not what happened. It's almost as if the Lakers themselves don't really view that as a real championship. Coley, I don't tolerate misinformation on this podcast. I think you really got to stop spreading the misinformation.

And opinions misinformation now? I think you're missing. What? Yes. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Okay.

I was being facetious. He wasn't. The fairs opinion is misinformation. How do you figure? Because you're lying. What am I lying about it? You're bending the truth to try and fit your narrative. So it is the truth.

It's just bent a little, you're saying. You're bending the truth to fit your narrative. Well, so, Eric, the truth is they won the championship. The truth you're bending is it didn't count. So, Arias, you're saying that you would keep him, that you would keep Frank Vogel after they missed the playoffs. He certainly not the problem. I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that.

He wasn't. I think I think that the team never gelled well. I think them getting rid of Caruso was the biggest mistake. Any championship team has to have somebody come off the bench that sparks the squad. They didn't have that. They didn't have no more close to that, actually. And Russ is not a facilitator. And so when you have perimeter players, you need a facilitator.

And Russ ain't that. And so there's a lot. I mean, Melo was supposed to fill the role of that. I think he played pretty well. I think Melo played okay, though. I don't think he's like, he's not going to give you, you know, the effort on a defense event like we all want to see. I went on that team, did. They have a lot of, they have a lot of issues, but I don't think the coach was one of them.

No, it was a tough look. Just they fired them for Woage, like the Lakers. Did they really? Yeah. They found out when he walked into his press conference. In the press conference, like, hey, when did you find out you were fired? And he was like, you just now saying that is how I'm finding. Like, what are you talking about?

Damn. Like, that's something of a poverty organization who takes loans during a pandemic would do. You know, the best story about a coach getting fired was Freddie Gonzalez when he got fired as the Braves manager. They didn't tell him before they switched his flight. Like, he got an email from Delta. that said he was flying home from Pittsburgh to Atlanta. And he was like, we're not going back to Atlanta.

We're going to, like, San Diego or wherever they were going. And he was like, oh, I just got fired. That's pretty bad. Lane Kiffin went through a couple different interesting firings. One was when they didn't let them back on the plane. That was at USC, right? Yeah. Yeah.

Fired on the tarmac. Fired on the tarmac is one. And then the Al Davis PowerPoint presentation. I shouldn't even say PowerPoint presentation in Oakland. it was more of just like an overhead projector where Al Davis just like put up fact sheets about things that Lane Giffon had done that pissed him off and just like

circled him and it was like okay next stat next stat I hate this guy I hate this guy yeah he's been fired and also I think the there was another time that he got fired that was oh it was he didn't get fired from Tennessee but he left and called a press conference at two in the morning and was like hey

there was that but there was also when he left Alabama when he was going to go take another job at was it uh you a what was it come to the oh fAU when he was going to go to f a u and alabama was about to play in the national championship game in like a week week and a half and then nick sabin was just like well no lane kiv is not going to be coaching us in that game and they lost that game right they lost to clemson yeah yeah some weird stuff was going on then didn't they make was it sark that was the interim and then he became the full-time MC. Yeah. Yeah. I love a good, like, scandalous coach firing. So we're my favorite things.

Now, see, the way to do it is you take your coach who's underachieved and then you just make him GM for some reason. And then you hire a coach. That's, that's what winning organizations do. Mm-hmm. Did you see what Lane Kiffin was doing this weekend? I did. He posted an interesting photograph on Twitter. You want to describe it? He was, uh, it appeared. that he was just throwing a little get-together for the neighborhood. Yeah. I think.

It looked like he may have been volunteering at a PTA event. Yeah. Yeah. He was, yeah. So it's him. It's a prom picture. And it's like every girl that goes to this high school in her prom dress and then

Lane Kiffin behind him. And he's the only guy in the picture. Yeah. Pretty weird. Why? Because Mississippi is a weird state. the caption the caption says have an amazing prom neighborhood

at Oxford High School hashtag come to the seal because every parent of a daughter every father of a daughter Mississippi is like terrified that somebody would touch their daughter in any way unless that person happens to be the coach of the football team in which case it's like hey fair play and that's an honor

it's an honor that's hey that's the old ball coach you think that's a recruiting you think that was a recruiting tactic hey son look the girls in miss i will say i didn't see the follow up he did also post a picture with all the dudes oh that's nice but he also made sure to get the one where it was how okay now one where it's just me and the girls correct yeah do a silly one everyone everyone make a funny face he does one where he just he takes like a series of 20 different pictures where he's just going down the line and standing behind one of the girls with his hands on her hip.

Do you want to know what he did that's actually incredible? This had, he, he's very online. Like, he knows what he's doing on Twitter. So the first one, as I said, says, have an amazing prom neighborhood at Oxford High School. Oh, man, say he's very online. He is. That shows up to everyone, right?

The picture with the dude starts with at Oxford High School. So it shows up as a reply. So the only people who see that are people if you go to his page or follow Oxford High School. So that one didn't go on people's time. Timelines. Smart man. Did he put a dot?

Nope. No dot. No dot. Sneaky, sneaky. I wanted to get Big T's feedback on a very important thing that's happened over the last week in the online community. Elon Musk bought what, 10% of Twitter. And then he said he was going to join the board. Yeah, but now he's not.

And now he's not going to join the board. So he can buy more shares. Is that, do you think that's why? Or is that just like you saw a reply that said that. If you join the board, you get a limit to how many shares you can buy. So he's, do you think he's going to buy the entire thing? Well, you might buy 51%. It would be very funny if, like, I think Elon is such a troll that he would buy all

of Twitter and just shut it down just to, just so that like he could take away something that some people find joy in because people are mean to him online. So he's like, you know what? I have the power to buy the entire thing. I might just shut it down. We should, we should do a whole episode on him. Yeah, there's, there's, because he has an interesting, there's so many layers to that entire story and tesla and there's a lot of layers to that that'd be a dope episode he's a he's a

fascinating guy let's see let's tweet him see if we can get him on yeah Elon yo Elon we know you're online Elon come through we know that you're seeing this right now here's the thing is like Elon must really online make a clip of this bad dog because Elon is definitely seeing this because someone's going to tweet it at him and Elon you can pretend that you're not watching it and not respond but we both know we know that you're watching this right now come on macro dosing You can say whatever you want about anybody Total free speech Macrodosians

Please start hitting him up Tagging him in this please Yeah I want to pick his brain I want to find out what what makes old Elon ticked This is a safe space Elon we're not here No it's not Billy it's not it's not a safe space He doesn't want a safe space He wants total freedom

You can say whatever you want on this show How do we lure him in some Some bait Put a bunch of snacks on the ground and a trail that leads to the studio Yeah, something Some big A bunch of emeralds

Little little doge coins Yeah We'll buy whatever Ficked up crypto You want to try to sell us on this show You can pump whatever Yeah Yeah, this is a free pump zone

Yeah you can pump You can pump dump in the studio Promote whatever bullshit it is Or if it's something that's That you think is legit I personally don't care You can make up I'm gonna get him on now

You can make up a free product like a new product that doesn't even exist and promote that product on this show. That's what he does. I will buy a Tesla. I think Elon comes on this show. How about that? Aaron has a Tesla.

I have a Tesla. And my fucking rearview mirror, the paint thing is peeling off. So fix that shit, nigger. I only want Elon on the show to ask him one question. why the fuck are the handles so hard to use on a Tesla?

How come I can never figure out how to get in and out of the vehicle? That's good. It's an IQ test. Yeah. He said that. It is? Yeah, you just got punked. I did get punked.

I mean, it works, but like, I guess it's an IQ test, but the first time that you get into a Tesla, it's not intuitive. You have to, like, hover your hand over and press on this one part. How was I supposed to know that? also I would be a great test driver for the cyber truck I think I would be great that's not coming out is it it's coming out sometime but I think I don't think it is man all of his plans are eventually what a funniest shit I've ever seen was when he was like

when he was testing the the windows and how they do is like throw it it's it's it's shatterproof throw it the dudes threw it he's like oh you threw like a bowling ball at the but the thing is It didn't, it caved in, but it gave you are such a simp. It is hilarious. It bent and did not break. The shit, bro, what are you talking about, man?

But like, for example, if you got hit with a bowling ball in your windshield, it didn't. That shit is crazy. I feel like the things that are going to hit you are way heavier than a bowling ball. A car? Yeah. Yeah. I like to think he was doing it as a joke where it was like, go ahead. No, it wasn't a, try to break it.

and then immediately just like explodes and disintegrates when somebody throws a rock at it. Well, if the whole car exploded, that would have been great at it. I'm going to, I'm going to simp a little. They were hitting it with a sledgehammer before.

And the sledgehammer to the side of the car may have, like messed up like the actual. Are you serious? Well, you watch the whole video. Did you watch the whole video? There's no, there's no serious.

He's advertising it as unbreakable windows. That's, those were his words. I didn't say. He put that standard on him. Like, listen, it's shadow-proof glass. It's bulletproof. But they shot it with so many bullets, it finally broke.

Like, what do you want from the glass? No, no, they hit the frame. They hit the frame, which caused it to get out of place and just, there's no way you're, you're real. If you look at the, if you're trolling, you've got to be trouble. If you look at the video, if you look at the video, there's no way. You get what. I don't believe that's your serious right now.

I do think I think the bill would be a valuable piece to any of Elon Musk's companies, but specifically Tesla, just hire Billy to figure out how to break whatever. it is that you're designing right now. I think I would be a huge asset to Tesla freaking space X. Shoot me like you know those look. Look, look. I know you know how they shot monkeys

up into the atmosphere to test the rockets first with NASA. I think I'm a much, like I'm down for that type of role at least. To be a space monkey? Yeah. I would like to be a space monkey. I think that's a, that's a, I'm more than qualified. This is wild. What?

You go in outer space. also if you stay up there for long enough you get like two inches tall yeah decompresses your spine i have a fractured l5 that's healed needs a little help be huge for both of us no i'm not going to sip that hard for Elon Musk i think you already did yeah his hair his hair is whack in the like how are you going to let jeff bezos get more jack than you that's just beta move but anyway all right Elon come on the So here's a hypothetical, all right? We're out at this mysterious cabin in the middle of nowhere, totally isolated, trying to survive.

Billy goes out, he brings back a deer one day. Big T, your job was to be gathering. You were gathering berries and roots. And Billy had a successful hunt. You had a bad day. We all were also taking Billy's, our job was to take Billy's deer, turn into clothes. I made a great set, like an awesome hat, some gloves. I have three pairs of gloves, actually.

But I'm keeping all the gloves for myself. Billy's keeping all the deer meat for himself. Are you just eating your berries? Well, I find it interesting in this scenario. You picked a job that was predicated upon someone else doing something for you first that was done successfully. Yeah, I'm a leech. And then you could just do yours.

Yeah, I'm a leech. So I find it pretty. No, but that would. You only made a hat and some gloves. No, but I used, just all gloves. I made all, like, I made exactly as many pairs of gloves as people there are, but I'm keeping them for myself in case. I don't think that's a realistic scenario.

I think that Big T would probably be in charge or something like gathering wood. I think that would be a good job for Big T. You can carry a lot of wood. Yeah, you could carry a shit ton of wood. Would you be down? And then maybe building. I think in a scenario where I landed on a plane with you guys, I would take my chances so well.

Are you serious? You just said that you didn't want to survive anywhere. Correct. Yeah, once the plane has crashed, I think all bets are off in terms of things you want to do. You wouldn't want to be cohesive? With this group? No, I don't think so.

I think I would kill myself far sooner than I would die of the elements. If Big T tries to run away, we then take him captive and make him do our bidding and keep them with us. And then we eat them. No, we're not going to eat them. We're just going to make him. Big T is your biggest reason for fleeing Because you believe Billy would suggest

Sooner than later you should be Just that I don't I don't think this crew Hanging out 24-7 Would be the best Way to spend my last days No I think we'd have a great time by the fire I would take my chances with the elements

Dude would basically be this podcast next to a fire How quickly? When is it appropriate to turn to Cannibalism? When that's the major question. Billy's, oh, you've thought about this. Yeah, no, I have. That's why we got to take Billy out early. No, once the first person dies.

There's, do you have the funeral and then you do the cannibalism? No, basically. You need to hold him if he dies naturally. You can't eat him if he died naturally. What if Aryan is like he, so day two, Aryan starts to cough? I'm, by the way, I'm not pro cannibalism. He starts, he, he's like. Do you start just looking at him sideways?

Just like when Sylvester the cat would look at somebody and see them turn into like a big piece of a chicken drumstick. Is that how you be looking at? No, no, this is what we do. If we first, like, we go after game. Like, we start killing a bunch of squirrels. And we have squirrel eggs for dinner. Like, it's not going to be that hard.

Like, if we're at sea. Wait, did you say squirrel eggs? Squirrel legs. Okay. So, I mean, if we're at sea, if we're at sea and we have nothing to eat, I may, look, before eating a human, maybe cut off a little and use it as bait for the fish. Who are we cutting? Whoever died first.

How do they die? Billy, who's dying first? Who, like, sun. And this crew, who's dying first? Yeah. Sunstroke, who knows who's going to die first? Would you, would you ever withhold? Who are you betting on?

All right, let's say that Aryan, he's coughing. The cough is getting worse. Now he's coughing up blood. he's got like a huge fever it's very clear that he's going to die I think you start to you start rationing Aryan's food no I think Aryan's going to be like yo

finish me off bro right no actually Matt euthanize me Billy would you're gonna go I'd be team euthanation if I was down bad would you just stop eating and be like

hey guys I'm just gonna I'm gonna off myself so that you guys well i'd know i'd fight through it so i couldn't would you would you know i feel like you'd hang on until the last second you'd hallucinating you wouldn't know at all uh who amongst us do you think would be the tastiest who has the best marbling who has who would have the most delicious meat you thought about this i no it's a survival episode billy i'm not i'm not revealing my my my pick who's the tastiest bro i don't know it depends on people's diets so good diet good meat all right so well the things might not taste good depending on what's eaten let's say hypothetically

there's somebody that eats just a lot of chick filet all the time there's nothing but chick filet would that make for a tasty snack new well for example i think i'd taste terrible because i eat too many supplements. Oh, that's what they all say. So I think you wouldn't want to eat me, fellas. I think I just. Trust me, guys. Not a good meal.

I'd be extremely gamey tasting. I'm pretty sure. You were just saying the squirrels were good and they were gaming. But that's a certain taste. I promise you. Because it's going through my mind right now. I've never been motivated in my life to do anything as much as I would to kill Billy and his flesh if he tried to kill me.

Like right now, I want to kill him. No, but the second he made a move to try to kill me, I swear to God, I wouldn't ever say I was going to kill you. His life would end

in such a horrific and shocking fashion. Big T. You couldn't fathom. You couldn't fathom. I mean, hypothetically, if Big T was like, we landed,

he didn't want to be part of the cohesive group that was going to all help out each other to make a good survival scenario and wanted to go off on his own. I'd hunt you. you'd run out by yourself I would kill you and I track you

I'd track you down you wouldn't be hard to track size 16 yeah you're gonna make a I mean you're not gonna make it through the brush you're very look man you're gonna leave a lot of trail no you can find me come find me

see what happens I will find you I don't think he's running based on how he's talking yeah well I mean I think you're running I would love to see Billy like smeared muddle over himself like in a loying cloth and a stick just like looking at the footprints there's a pile of shit billy sticks his finger and it's still warm he's nearby five minutes after we've crashed he's like this why did you take your clothes on yeah like the gas station right there I would love

I would love to see big T and Billy in a survival situation most dangerous game I mean honestly I think that we do big T is showing me that he's got some resolve I would be afraid of big T we do rough and rowdy at this company right do you what kind of money do you think we could put on the table for a fight to the death I'll sign up fight to the dead that's the cop out that that's not sanctionable no the Russia it is yeah bare knuckle speak I will sign my life away to fight me to the death yes if the prize was worthwhile. My money's on Big T.

I think he's going to beat your ass, Bill. Yeah, the prize is you get to take a life, a sanctioned life, big T. The whole, I would like there to be

some sort of compensation if and when I make it out. Remember when I talked about how competition doesn't breed cohesion in an insular group? So once we were,

we were talking about, we were talking about how like working together dynamics, then we start talking about who's eating, who's going to win and then now we have a proposed fight to the debt i think i actually want to kill you now why i think i've

talked what because my mind has gone into that mode they were suggesting the chick he can't get out he can't where it's like it's time it's it's time to kill billy dude you he's tasted flesh i never look yeah that's for the rest of us this has become a real problem is now big tea either us become our king or we have to to band together to take him down after he's mauled Billy. I mean, you think you think he'd stop with just me? That's what he was successful. Yeah, no, then I might go back and rejoin the group.

Yeah. I might be like, y'all have seen what you're fucking with now. Look, I. Here I. Do you want to do this or not? Here I am. How decisively you murdered Billy. This is such a, why are we murdering each other?

We should be worrying on cohesion. You literally asked earlier had we read Lord of the Flies. Have you? do you remember what happened in the book right but they didn't take the right that no one was doing anything there wasn't any cohesion there was a we would shelter food

water my money's on big tea I think big T's are king now sorry Billy no I just don't believe like in that situation why would we ever want conflict amongst ourselves when we have enough conflict with

the wild you were proposing eating people I was not proposing eating people they wanted me to say that I'd eat you Before that you said you That we're gonna eat someone I never said that Does he listen to the things you said

What did I say? Hey yo PFT instigated this whole shit Yeah I don't want to eat people I actually think that this is this scenario would play out kind of like And forgive the comparison But Big T you're kind of like Denarius Targaryen Where you

You have such strong resolve That you would make us all want to fight for you we would all just be like your minions and you would take billy out just to prove a point because you're that fucking cold-blooded right off the bat and billy yeah sure you've got honor or whatever but guess what this is a survival situation where there's no such thing why are you this is ridiculous this has gotten to a ridiculous point that's big t's line billy's like why would we do the thing that humans have done for hundreds of thousands of years why would we do well i'm trying to solidify a plan so that we have more success. Like right now, like hypothetical situation, if we get in a survival situation, we should work on cohesion.

We should have a group looking for water and a group setting up shelter. The first thing we do when we get in that situation. First rule is try to kill the person who's trying to be in charge. I'm not trying to be in charge. You're trying to be in charge. No, Billy.

You just said you were going to kill me. He tried to leave. Yes, I said, I did what I said. I was going to do. Kill the person who's trying to be in charge. Yeah, Billy, the more you want to be in charge, the less it makes me trust you. I don't want to be in charge.

Oh, I'm doing people orders We're going to do this, this, this and this Did I, but like It's tyranny, but that's just Billy's being a tired of it. No, but that's just common sense. Donnie and Ray would agree with me. No, Donnie and Ray would be out on their own

doing it themselves and they've also been in situations like that. But you're leading without any sort of like example from your past of proving that you can do. You're just trying to take over. I'm not trying to take over anything. You know who Billy sounds like right now is Hillary Clinton. Oh my God. Assuming that everyone's going to put him into power.

And then he can do whatever he wants. It's right. It's just. Hillary Clinton. No. Hillary Clinton. That's what you're doing. No,

I'm literally just saying that there's just like there's certain like I've just read a lot of books about this stuff. Yeah. Not true either. I mean, Hillary Clinton had a law degree. Have you saying you've out read Hillary Clinton? Pretty sure. No, I'm just like, the bar the first time.

No, but like that's how he knew how to. I don't know when I was growing up I just read all these books about like outdoorsmanship survival scenarios said earlier you read pirate books and you're afraid of scurvy I read a lot of books growing up I wasn't allowed to watch cartoons it makes sense like I think that's a very app comparison that big tea had like Hillary Clinton dreamed since she was a small child of being present she spent her entire life and just assumed preparing to be present a walk right in there and so yeah Billy thinks like a survival situation oh this is easy, but guess what? There's a big, slightly red-headed dude that's standing in the way of

literally don't have red hair at all. It's somewhat reddish blonde. It's not at all. You can't deny that. It's reddish blonde. Are y'all, are y'all the dumbest motherfuckers on the face of the planet? It's not at all. Look in the mirror, bro. Dude, you're so stupid. It hurts me. Oh my God. Dude, your strawberry. It literally isn't even a little bit. Yeah. Well, okay. There's a big hat. There's a big tee. Okay, Mike Tariko. Let's see. Big Tee. Take your hat off real quick. No, my hair's all fucked up. Like the hair looks good.

That's strawberry blonde. That's strawberry blonde. No, it's not. It's strawberry blonde. Yes, it is. It's not. Would you rather us call you a communist or a redhead? This is the angry.

They're both objectively untrue, but I guess communist. I mean, that gets you, you can do it. If you say you're a communist, now you can do whatever you want. No, it's okay, guys. I'm an ally. I mean, I have no choice But to follow Big T I think he's a stout

I can't find a picture I don't want you with your head off PFT I don't want you in the survival group Because you've been just setting people against each other Well I have big A Area my Twitter profile picture I'm not wearing a hat What you mean it's not my choice You can't just kick me out of the group

Well I'm just saying I'm verbalizing I don't think your lack of cohesion And instigation would be good You're deflecting because you're upset That Big T absolutely is masculine No, no, you're trying to cause. This is one of the things I said my first jump.

Billy didn't grow up in the wilderness. He didn't grow up in the woods at all. The wilderness to Billy was Central Park. Let's put it to a vote. How many people would like to kick me out of the group like Billy suggested? You know what? I'm not actually saying that. I'm pro-cohesion.

You just said that. Yeah, you just said that. So I'm saying I'd like to, but I don't want to you. You're causing the most dissension out of anyone. No. You know what? Can't wait. BFT is very smart.

He's crafty. entertaining spry i would trust bft i'm i thank you coli i think i am spry i would like to have coley around i think that coli uh he has that element of him where he does have a family to protect he's got he's a guy that i think could be uh gritty in the right situation he could tell good stories that's important keeping us entertained aryan obviously is a guy that would be an asset in any sort of survival situation especially if there was a wolf attack um i i don't want to say that I don't want this to be taking the wrong way mad dog

am I out what would you know I'm just make make a case for yourself morale morale I like it actually um I also feel like if we're really going to go back in time if we're crashing I could be a hunter

gather like or wait what did the women do back in like the 1600 in the 1600s like at the end is not good. More like 1600 BC. I could I could create clothes like okay once our once we have to use all of our clothes that we have on for like bandages and slingshots and things like that I could create new clothes.

Maybe our fashion design. I also I also clothing is very important in survival situations. Of temperature. I also feel that I also feel that. I could, I can swim really well. Okay. I could go, like, if we're near water, go swim. I think the morale element is important.

I also think that having, I think that having a woman around would be, like, if it's a bunch of guys like you've already seen, basically attacking and threatening to kill each other, having a different perspective around, like a more calming influence. Cool you guys down. Yeah, a calming influence, I think, would be helpful for the group. Also, please don't imply their inherent differences between men and women. That's sexist. I won't have that in life. I'm not, I'm, I'm just a, you're a calming person. I'm, I think I'm pretty calming.

And I also feel like if we were there, what if we found other people? I could help. We could, we could create a whole island. Then at that point, we're creating a whole island. What's your role in that? Yeah, we're incapable of speaking to others. No, I'm saying if we're there for years and years and we need to procreate, you have to look for that. That didn't take long.

That did not. That would also be just very dangerous. That's another thing in Yellow Jack. It's one person may or may not become pregnant during the show. And then you're in the woods. Then your liability. Well, then we can avoid that easily. Yes.

Yes. It's a very easy thing to avoid. Avery. Well, I mean, if Big T is going to be. be king him and i are close friends so he needs a good i i would i would recruit avery to come with me to my off shoot camp hand of the king yeah yep listen you have to pay respects to the king and he's he's clearly going to kill billy so i mean look i've already down one i've been i've been today one preaching cohesion yeah a little too hard yeah because you know you need help

what's your angle on your own yep what's your angle bill why do you want us to you know man i just want us to survive and do cool shit while we're out there so you're looking at this here's my problem with billy i think that billy would be good in certain aspects of it but also i think that billy would enjoy being in the situation a little bit too much where he actually would not prioritize escaping out yes uh i think that he would be like this is awesome this is sweet billy would look at his game i feel like we'd be able to come to an agreement together and then billy would try to change the agreement like we'd all be like oh we should do this and then Billy's like, no, wait, I saw this on TV last week.

We should do this. Yeah, we need a singular vision and say what you want about Big T, but he does not waver from his visions that he has. He's steadfast and resolute. I think that's an important thing to have in somebody that's our leader, whereas Billy would be a little bit too wishy-washy. What? And we wouldn't have Google to double-check Billy when he makes these grand proclamations.

Yeah. Yep. And we don't have supplements. Yeah. Billy might just waste the way into nothing. That's where you start eating organ meat. That's where all the supplements should come from. Or like from other animals or from people?

No, from other animals. Why does everyone think I'm going cannibals? Billy would be like, trust me, you could eat this berry off the tree. Because you could have just said animal meat, but you didn't.

You said organ meat. Yeah. Well, because specifically organ meat has more supplement based, like natural supplements. What is the organ meat? Like liver. You know. Is it meat?

What? Yeah, it's meat. Yeah, well, the thing is none of us eat it anymore. How is the liver of meat? I thought meat was like muscles. Oregon, well, I mean, the heart is a muscle. I mean, technically a lot of organs kind of function like muscles. But the last people to eat liver was like the English.

They like eat like liver. I mean, people eat liver now. Yeah, I mean, liver king. Obviously. But I also feel like Billy would want us like all to die so he can like figure out a way to live the longest. Like he would be like, oh, yeah. Why do you think that? Yeah, he'd be like, you can eat this berry off this tree.

It's safe. And then we all just die. Because Billy would like to come back to society and be like, here's the man that survived out in the woods for the longest. I want to be the only ones. No, that would be because then everyone would be mad suspect. Why did this guy survive? But I'm sure you'd have stories for everything.

And you'd be like, well, they weren't as strong as me in the woods. And the first thing that he would write in the book that he would inevitably publish is that I killed the editor who would have scrapped this and nobody can stop me. from writing this shit anymore. Wait, what? You'll get it. Oh, the editor. He'd be on pardon my take,

just singing all these songs. No, dude. Damn. I'm actually... Sorry, Bill, you're dead. That actually kind of sucks that you guys think that loaves me. Well, it's also because your meat

would be very tasty. I think we've established that. No, there's this thing as Oregon meat. I thought meat was just like muscles. I guess it's, it's anything. Really. yeah it's like anything of an animal yeah meat is not specifically muscle i didn't know that that's wow i i would meat is like mass yeah meat is everything except bones yeah food of any kind

could it bone marrow could even be meat interesting i didn't know that so like tendons ligaments that's meat yeah i mean yeah a lot of that is used in legal jargon about feathers hair if you eat it is that meat feathers are meat it's it's defined as food of any kind from an animal um all right well i think i think that really answered a lot of questions i had going into this survival situation um i feel like i'd be a good cook too i feel like i could figure out how to make good food oh yeah can i add that to my list too i can cook okay yeah I think we should just go around and just like allocate people jobs

real quick yeah it turned into Cody he goes again he's gonna do it like how do you all not that's crazy you're right I'm all on your side we got to I know I know I'm just like

how does everyone listen to this guy and not think like I'm just saying not allocate judge but like what would everybody want to do you just said Billy you just radically changed what you just said but I'm basically that's what I'm trying to do so we can finish the show and like, oh, we're all going to be

surviving happily ever instead of, we're all just killing each other and like not. It's far more entertaining to want to kill people. We're killing you. No, you're, okay. This is done. If we're killing me, I'm going full Rambo in the woods. You guys can't hunt or gather without having to watch over your shoulder because I might pop out of a tree.

I might be hidden underground. This is why we're going to kill you. No, but you've driven me to this point. You were always going to get here. It took 20 minutes for you to be. be like fuck it i'll kill you guys no because you guys just all said that you're going to kill me we're going to get here no matter what i know i'm not correct yes this is always your plan you know what you know what you guys would die so fast yeah i'm so done if you're going to make me the if you're

going to force me into the bad guy role okay fine i'll be there you weren't going to be the bad guy no i wasn't good i never was going to i wanted to be cohesive i've been saying cohesion the whole time so i knew you guys of under your guidelines It's funny how I was like jokes at first But like you really convinced me Like we got to kill Billy Now No

No what You know what You went from like guys We got to find water source And guys We just have the cohesion is the most important Like fucking you are fuck it there I'll kill all you all rambo this shit

Because you guys just You guys just all said Okay we got to kill him I didn't like how you were talking to Big T When you're saying that you were going to hunt him down And I thought that was suss So I was like you know what I think I'm because he said he would kill me

Can we remember Can we remember how this went? You said Big Tee was you just trying to escape and not harm anybody You marked me as a cannibal You marked me as a cannibal You said who am I going to eat

I said I'm not going to say who I want to You asked Aaron to kill himself For the good of the gang After you guys all accuse me of cannibalism You also said you admitted yourself That thinking about who you would eat first Is something that you have thought about before Right but I like think about everything

So when I asked you that it was It seems quite the opposite. It's called intrusive thoughts. This guy can't control his own brain. We have them leading. Yeah, I don't know. Oh, that's, that's, you know, you got to really go after stigmas. Mentally weak.

To survive, yeah, for sure. You're going to go after. No, this was a very fun show. I think the trick would just be to everybody nap. What if we found just weed growing out there? Do you think that there's any place in a survival situation? for recreational drug use? Honestly, I'd be so down.

The poppy fields in Afghanistan. Like, I think a lot. Honestly, to like maintain a calm demeanor. A camaraderie. Comratery. Yeah. Now, poppy seeds probably not. Just to like take your mind off of things.

Dude, if you guys, if we landed, crash landed and like, if you guys wanted to take a nap, I would be, I wouldn't want to nap. I just want to be doing all the fun stuff. And then you guys wake up. I would have built shelter, found water. And then it would have been like, oh, thank God, Billy's here. Thank God we didn't kill him. What's the fun stuff?

we're doing on a deserted island well you guys want to take a nap yeah yeah so take a nap and i'll go do the fun stuff that i find fun like finding food and shelter yeah finding food shelter water and then you guys wake up and there's a whole bamboo lean to and you're like oh wow this is great and i'm just sitting there whittling try to make the fire start bamboo in the area we've crashed i thought that we just said uh

i think we're doing dessert i think we have to do an island bamboo spreads here's here's what is making me yeah it grows it's so weed Like six feet in the day. Here's what's making me concern about Billy's scenario right now is that Billy is saying, no, what I would want you guys to do is to not do anything. Let me go out and do everything.

And then we feel. All day, every day. And that way, Billy has something over us where after like a week of him doing everything, he's like, you guys aren't doing anything. That's his situation.

That's his ideal situation where he is like, everybody is in a mode of deference to how great Billy's survival skills are. Well, that's what happened. That's this podcast. Also, what happens? What happens? Billy's actually like the biggest Democrat on this show.

Oh. Oh. Oh. Yeah. And Billy just snuck that in there a second again. I don't know if you guys know. No, they'll get it. Oh, yeah.

Where he's like, yeah. It's the podcast. Oh, yeah. I'm the only one that does any of the work out here. Anyway, next thing. I heard that. I'm a big lib. I'm a big lib according to Big T.

Mm-hmm. Also, what would we do? So, okay, let's say we built the food or we built the shelter. We got the food. Billy, Billy, sorry. There is food, there is shelter, there is water. We have a sustainable source from somewhere, or we can find squirrels on this island that Billy can slingshot. What happens like after that we kind of like stabilize?

Then we take get, then we make the agricultural revolution. There we go. You can't help himself. He doesn't. What do you mean? I know what we'll do. Well, we start building a fence, capturing small animals. Maybe he's not a Democrat after all.

Domesticating them. Why aren't we just trying to escape at that? See, that's what I'm talking about, my dog. Billy wants to create an entire new society that he gets to live in. Yeah, I want to leave. He has no, no reason to get out. We capture wild boar piglets and we start raising the hogs, fatten them up off of scraps.

That sounds like a long-term plan. You're not answering my question. Why aren't we like spelling out? We're trying to leave the island. You're trying to stay there forever. we develop a new language. We write the macrodosian constitution. Or like we're starting a fire so we can, you know, be seen from up above.

Like, why are those things happening? Well, are they just in that. That's not the fun part to me. I believe it. We had the fun part is staying there forever and ever and ever. So are we killing? I'll hold them down while you work for it. I was going to say, are we killing Billy right away?

Are we going to let him set it up for us and then kill them? Okay. Well, now he knows. I'm not trying to kill you guys. I'm trying to just... No, we're trying to kill you. But the thing is, it might be the end of the movie, right? And you guys, it's time to go.

And I'm just sitting here like, guys, I'm not going to leave. And then, like, you guys leave me in the jungle. I think... I think here's the plan. Because Billy does have some good ideas about how to start to get things done for survivability. I say that we land. We, first thing that we do is we build a jail and we put Billy into jail. And he tells us the ideas to...

None of you are going to build the jail. But then let's be real. None of you want to do work. But then, like, but then Billy just gives us the ideas, but he's not around to help us execute them. So we have final say over what he's telling us to do. So we use his brain. I think that Billy's brain has some good stuff in it. But just letting him run free, I think is a recipe for us never getting out of this situation.

Well, you guys, like, for example, you guys can make the effort to, why are you guys depending on me to find the way out when I'm not? We're not. We actually don't want you to contribute. Most of our plans have been eliminating you immediately. I think that you would be good in a short, your brain would be good for short-term survival, but you would get us too far down the path of establishing a brand new civilization and never getting back. You know what? You would like secretly sabotage whatever modes of transportation that we had.

Then probably at some point. Yeah, we want to leave. Then probably at some point I'd be like, okay, I'm getting a little tired of this. I miss some things from civilization and come back with you guys. You'd probably work out. You'd probably like build, build weights and stuff out of branches and tree stumps. And just be like,

this is actually kind of cool because I get to spend like 90 days trying my own like P90X version. Billy would use, Billy would use us as like bench press. No, but what would be great is that I'd be doing so many activities. I'd get a workout from them. You'd probably also not find starches. you would intentionally leave those out

so that we would all be in ketosis. No, but that's... You would put us on a high protein diet. You don't think I'd try to like find sugars to ferment into alcohol? That's a good point. He did say if he had $500 in an airport that he would need to be drinking.

Yes. I'm gonna keep it around for that. I definitely need to drink my heart. Yeah, we definitely would need to ferment stuff. And was going to miss a show to keep drinking in Boston. That was a joke. We established that. How was the last week

I was St. Patrick's Day this weekend? It's still going home or at the front of the state of mind, really. In my mind, I've never left. What's the last day of St. Patrick's Day? Dude, it was, it's the end of the weekend after St. Patrick's Day or during St. Patrick's Day, that is.

Yeah, that guy couldn't escape South Boston. He was going to get off an island. Okay, I literally lost my keys to my house in car and I was like oh man should I try to delay my fight to find you know what never mind see the other thing that concerns me is if we were in a survival situation I would be trying to get back so I could go back to work

Billy on the other hand would be like yo this is like pretty sweet Loki pretty too yeah you guys want to do some voicemails yep I think we've established our survival situation pretty well here. Let's be realistic. Are we

actually not going to work together and try to like, actually take it seriously? We just, we just have an extreme distrust of you. Why do you guys distrust me? You've never, you've never been put to the test. We don't know how you'd react. In like a real. No, we know how he'd

react. He just showed us. Right. We, after you all said, I should die. No, we never said that. Not that you should that you would. By the way, we're Like kind of glazing past the fact that big two was like I would kill you and fuck your core I did yeah that guy did the red flag but that's good but we can't have anybody getting pregnant so it's good that right we've got like a that was purely euphemistic you're a

oh yeah we turned into a communal flashlight you know what necrophilia the only thing I fear is arian's jiu jiu jitsu the only thing you're here You should. Do you think that you could. Yeah, Arients was on his back. What's it doing? What if we made one of those pits that Coley was talking about, like a false floor with a bunch of leaves on it and put you at the bottom of it?

So, like, we chased a deer across this thing and the deer fell down into the pit with you. Do you think you could kill a deer using Jiu-Jitsu? Of course. Yeah, that deer probably has no training. Definitely didn't have any training. But you can kill pretty much anything I mean Let me take that back

Well no I think you could Well deer actually pretty tough I think you could You could strangle it with a triangle Deer one of my biggest fears Dude there's some hilarious videos of hunters Getting absolutely fucked up by like white tail deer Dude deer scare the shit out of me

Aaron one last question for you Before we get into these voicemails Because there was a video that went viral last week I think of like a street fight that when I say street it was actually taking place like in a cul-de-sac on asphalt it was like a smaller guy gets a bigger dude smaller guy does

some jiu-jitsu shit on him gets on his back gets his neck takes him down chokes him out the big dude starts tapping during the fight if a dude's tapping in a fight do you respect the tap do you let go

in a street fight street fight like the big dude was trying to cave the small guys facing with haymakers and shit it was a legit fight do you let him go it depends on the situation if i if if in that scenario yeah you let him go there's people around and stuff you let him go uh like say like you trying to restrain somebody and do you want consequences done to them like you until the authorities get there you're going to hold him up like if the guys got a weapon or something like that.

Yeah, some shit like that. Or like, I've always thought of like scenarios of like if you witness like a kidnapping or something like that, like if you don't beat him to death, then you hold him until the polling's good there. Sleep them. But if it's like one on one and there's like five guys around one guy's videotaping on his cell phone, the guy taps and you respect the tap because the guy's admitted that he lost a fight and you just trust the other people to step in and break it up at that point.

I know you don't trade decisions when it is. It's like if you, you know you can do it. If you probably did it that easy, if you let him go and he tries it again, then you don't let, nah. Then we stay in here until your people come get you. That was a real tap this time. You could just put him to sleep too. I mean, that's a, that's a thing.

Yeah, how black and white is the line between putting someone to sleep and accidentally choking them to death? I don't know that actually I don't think you I don't know that actually when you put them when you put them asleep it's not you're not restricting air flow

to the lungs right you're cutting off the blood circulation so they go they go unconscious am I wrong I don't know enough about that actually I've never actually thought about that actually that's the

what you're talking about choking during sex Billy is that why you're laughing no if you put somebody in like a headlock and they pass out it's because they don't have any blood flow to their head and so they pass out from that and as long as like you don't keep them like that for you know another 30 seconds or a minute after they're already passed out then you release and they should be okay i think if you let them go as soon as their body goes limp that is when they've lost consciousness if you keep choking them after their body goes limp i think that's where you can get to like kill them territory Because, but the thing is, like, how, that's why, I think that's why that guy in Central Park, uh, who, like, claimed he was, like, doing, like, accidentally, he claims he accidentally killed a woman during consensual sex. If you're having sex in a park and somebody dies, I'm just going to say arrest the guy that, that killed the person. That wasn't consensual.

You can't even make that argument if you're in Central Park. You're, yeah, no, you're right. You're right. pft um so when you when you restrict the blood flow that that that's why people pass out if you continue to choke them after they pass out you're restricting their airflow and that will kill them okay so they say do it until somebody's unconscious and and and then you have to you have to stop obviously so so the central park strangler was this guy named robert chambers He was called the preppy killer to this guy. Yeah, if somebody dies in a park, in Central Park, that's murder.

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flavors of ice cream as recommendations for a new type. I kind of came up with mine and the pretzel. It was going to be vanilla ice cream with a maple brown sugar swirl, also with pretzel bits in it, sweet, salty, whatever. So I was kind of curious, what would you guys come up with as your own ice cream name and what would be in the ice cream? All right? Stay beautiful. stay handsome. Thanks. Bye. Hmm. That's a good question. That shit sound nasty. Pretzel ice cream, bray? No. I kind of like it. The caramel with like a little bit of salt.

I bet y'all do. I bet y'all do. Shit sound gross. I think I'm always a sucker for birthday cake ice cream. I just like the fact that there's a flavor called birthday cake because birthday cake isn't really, it's not really a flavor, but I know what I know what you mean when you say birthday cake. Yeah, it is. But there are multiple types of birthday cake is what I'm saying But we know what you mean

Yeah I get what you finish There is and there isn't It's the presence of rainbow Ooh I would go with ice cream cake Flavored ice cream Yeah I think they have that Let me see

Ice cream cake flavored ice cream So it's got like a little bit of the cake in there It's got some fudge strips Some icing inside the ice cream And then it's got the ice cream That you get inside of an ice cream it's just the proportions are like inverse to an ice cream cake I'm not seeing any ice cream flavored ice cream cake I think that market is yours hell yeah that's what I would do I like this

I think um they probably had this but like because I'm not a big sweets person um but do they have Reese's ice cream oh yeah okay yeah I love Reese's those are probably the only candy I like Reese's the little butter whatever the little circle Jones where you go Reese's cups whatever I couldn't think of the fucking name I was more for me than for you yeah that that that that in ice cream would be fire is there a peanut butter and jelly ice cream that might be good too an uncrustable oh uncrustable's ice cream there we go you're you loki like the wanker of ice cream's like no fuck uncrustable's ice cream you tell me that that would fly off the shelves that would be cute I

I'm saying, you're killing this shit. Yeah. Like a sponge cake almost. Yeah, but not the crust. Yeah. Uh-huh. Well, no, no crust. It's uncrustable.

Yeah, uncrustable flavored up. Man, I just came up with two awesome types of ice cream. Not to brag. I'm just very proud of myself. What would you name them? Um, I don't know. I guess incrustable is an ice cream. I mean, I guess they kind of names for themselves.

I think it's just uncrustable's ice cream. And then ice cream cake. Ice cream cake. Uncremables. Wait. Oh. I'm so I'm workshopping I'm workshopping that one the name's not important anybody else liver liver ice cream I'm I'm gonna be honest I went down a Wikipedia

wormhole totally blacked out about what about how to murder podcast go hosts what Wikipedia are you on dude this preppy stringer the big tea spin-off podcast about murdering Billy would do crazy numbers. Yes. True crime. Why are we talking? Remember when we said all these things that we say on the show come true? Why are we speaking these things?

That would be fired. Big T kills you. Bro, our ratings will go through the roof. I'd only do it out in a situation where it would be free of consequence. Billy's not worth going to prison. Damn. Just talk about it. Yeah.

what what billy were you saying that big tea couldn't handle prison yeah no offense I just said I don't want to go all right anybody else have ice cream flavors billy the question was what flavor of ice cream would you invent um

arian said rhesis the thing is cookie dough cookie dough ice cream is so awesome that I don't think i could create something better than that i appreciate that cookie dough is very very i actually had some last night i forgot it was in my fridge uh freezer that's the best and i found it i was like oh my god it's awesome there's a pizza place right next toads i think i was telling you about this pf2

and we were there and they make milkshakes and they used to put the mini rhesus peanut butter cups they were like really small but they were they like kept them in the refrigerator so they were kind hard and they would put them at the bottom of the milkshake and then they would put Moose Tracks ice cream in it and it was the best thing I've ever had That's really good And I would call it like something like look what I found Because the first time I had I had no idea that the

Recipe's threw at the bottom and it was like the greatest Surprise of all time. That's great. Yeah Big Tea I'm trying to come up with something that hasn't been done before Uncrustible was such a good one That is a good one because it has like all of the

Yeah What about like chicken and waffles ice cream with certain chicken and waffles this weekend horrific

not actually they have like brunch stuff where you put like ice cream on waffles yeah I mean that might be well yeah

but like that's different than putting chicken and ice cream sweet butter drizzle on top maple butter honestly the only bad part would be

the actual meat of the chicken if you put like the outside like the fried chicken skin with the wall That would be good. Yeah.

I'm down with the waffle. Let's workshop something around the waffle. Okay. Maybe like French toast ice cream. Would that be good? Does that not exist? That probably exists. What about a waffle house ice cream?

So it's waffle bits. So it's coffee ice cream. Okay. With waffle bits. Awesome. Maybe a little bacon in there. Like a maple bacon. Bacon.

Bacon can get an ice cream. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I like that. Wait, why do we like bacon and ice cream? We're not chicken in ice cream. It's totally different.

Because bacon is more of a... I think it's because bacon simulates kind of the saltiness and the crunch of the chicken skin. The actual chicken meat might be weird. Less chewing. Less chewing. It's more of like a... I feel like bacon would also... It's like crunch might hold an ice cream, whereas like if you put a piece of fried chicken and ice cream, it's probably going to get soggy.

Like, I've eaten vanilla milkshakes at diners with bacon, and that has been a great combo. Mm-hmm. I like the Waffle House idea, too. Fair. Okay. Are we ready for the next one? Yeah. I'm so hungry now.

I know. I'm not going to say who made us record at 12 today, so nobody could eat lunch beforehand, but... Oh, no. I'm on the West Coast, dog. I had to get a bad nine, because... Oh, sorry. It was because... It's a joke. It's a joke, Billy. Okay. Here.

It's up, fellas. Just kicked from Nantucket. It's about to get, like, super hot politically with, like, the midterms and shit. And that shit just visits me off so much. I wish everybody could get along, like, Big T and Aryan. But something I'm trying to do is not using the terms of Republican or Democrat. So is there anything that you, any words that you could. remove from the national lexicon you think would make everybody get along or just society be a better place what do you think what words i've got a word i would like to remove

because i feel like it's lost all meaning at this point woke i feel like woke is one of those words that like nobody really knows what it means it's either something that has been used in the past to um to signify like paying attention to certain causes and then now it's just become like a word that's used to denigrate people that are on the opposite side yeah got co-opted as a pejorative but i but i don't think that it i don't think that it helps anything it's usually just a word that uh is a placeholder for saying what like other words that are really at the central part of the conversation does that make sense Yeah. It's a euphemism now for, I don't know, any kind of pejorative, like, politically.

It's like politically on the right. If you don't agree with it, it's woke. Yeah. I think like to a certain extent, just using the word like Nazi has a very specific connotation. People use the word Nazi for a lot of things that they just disagree with. It's like, oh, you. I agree with that too. Yeah. Like, oh, you don't believe in the same system of taxation. believe in well you're a nazi that sort of thing it's a very specific thing but um i just feel like at this point we need to find a new word that's all i'm saying every when i see woke i'm just like okay i am not participating in this conversation because it's filled with people that are just

very pissed off and not making any points besides like they're playing the hits that's what happens when he's word yeah um i think that i can't think of another one that's triggering canceled canceled I like that I'm taking I'm taking mad ducks

I'm with you there's a when Putin used it that's when it became a bridge too far when he was like the West is trying to cancel me and trying to cancel Russia

so okay no one is using this word anymore we've done it we've killed it Cancel, jump the shark Billy? There's an argument for the word racist

I let's hear it I feel like it gets I mean it gets thrown around a lot accusations of being racist yeah there's an argument I'm not saying

but that's one word that it's just like nah I think we leave that one there true I think we leave that one in there Because people can be racist still Right I guess people can be nonsense

Definitely Like that's what I'm saying Mm-hmm I went to my Muted words on Twitter To see if there were any good ones on there That I've eliminated from my timeline But most of these are just ones that like

I was real sick of seeing Repeated tweets of at a particular time Like official ride share partner is on there because the Preds tweeted it all the time. That's actually, that's a great set of muted words to have. Yeah. I can't think of a single time when I've seen that come across my timeline. You never need to see it.

You never need to see that because it's always. What is it? The Preds used to always tweet out like Uber's the official ride share partner of Bridge to an Arena, whatever, so I muted official ride chair partner. So I never saw those tweets. Mike Golick Jr. is on here for some reason. Not his account, like the words, Mike Golich Jr. My word, though, would be COVID.

Just nobody ever say it again. I'm sick of hearing about it. There'd be a lot fewer fights. Just eliminate it. People would still get it, though. Not really. Yeah, okay. Oh, but we're bringing it back, though, do you see?

Fauci's making the rounds again. Midterms coming up. We're bringing COVID back. Okay. Because nobody, because, like, Ukraine's kind of waning. Like, we're bringing it back. I saw that there's a, there's like a new strain that we're supposed to be paying attention to. I'm sure, yeah.

About September, it'll get cranked up. Okay. Big T, keep going. I want to know what other words you have. What else is on here? Because the official rideshare partner is actually a brilliant one. It's a lot of hashtags and accounts. What's it good?

Oh, Dardy is on here. I'm sick of hearing that word. Why? What is Dardy? Precisely. I think that just summed it up. Yeah, we talked about before it. We do this every.

I'm actually having a Dardy not this weekend, but next weekend. you're more than for everyone to come a Dardy is a day day drink Oh day party You guys said that That's right

And there's also day jurors Yeah And that's a different A lot of old Dardy Hashtag WNBA vote is on here I don't know who was Tweeting about voting

for the WNBA All-Star game But I was sick of that Automatically checked Automatically checked ByFLLWRS.com That's those people who sign up for the See how many followers

you gain and lose at one point and then tweets it out forever okay yeah um Daniel Cormier I don't even know who that is why don't you like Daniel Cormier who's that he's he's a UFC comedy also like a legendary UFC heavyweight he's a very funny guy he's awesome why don't you like it uh I don't know what is this one this EFT He's got all of us muted I don't have you meet Roman Rains

Scott Why don't you like Roman Rains I don't care about wrestling Oh Summer Slam Also muted Via IG So any video that comes up That says like via IG

I don't care Wine Festival and then it's a bunch of at fifth third that's another Preds when they tweet fifth third shit all the time What about what about Wine Cave Fast Pro Shops What?

So the accounts are when people would usually do sponsored tweets so that's what most of those are Mountain View Chevy You know you don't people Not as Buck Big T? Yeah Capitalism

Nutra Shop Knoxville Yeah, it's mostly just stuff It's mostly stuff like that I can listen to you Say your muted phrases all day I really could Hashtag calves Don't care about the calves

We're playing in our playing in our playing So you just don't see Jeff D. Lowe's Twitter at all No, I see Jeff's tweets No, because he's very conscious It's about using the correct hashtags Yeah, he'll be like let them know hashtag Love Island USA Whoa hold on now

What's what's up with that I just I don't watch it So like I don't why would I want to see tweets about it That's the greatest reality TV show about that Most of these aren't like things I dislike It's just shit that I don't know or care about So like I don't want to see tweets about it But how often were you seeing tweets with hashtag

Love Island is what often enough That I didn't do it Uh safe moon army Who's that? I don't know It's a crypto hashtag SEC this morning Sorry Peter That's Peter Burns

You know there's a bunch on there Oh UWCL that's the women's champions league Not that I don't support women's athletics I absolutely do very much I absolutely listen you can say a lot of things about me I went to Connecticut this year for a lady Vols game You can't say I don't support female athletics

You just don't like voting for them in all-star time No, I just don't, I don't watch the Man City women's team. So when they're, they're tweeting about the women's team, like, I don't know what's going on. So, like, I'd just rather not see those tweets. Well, maybe if they weren't muted, you'd have a better idea what was happening. I just, I don't watch the team. So, although they do have Bunny Shaw now who played at the University of Tennessee. I know a lot about women's athletics.

I support women's athletics. Maybe I'll watch the team now more. Do you have any muted words, PFT? I'm looking mine up right now. Does anybody else have some? I do. I got one. I'm not going to stay on air.

But, uh, The other one, I got two. It was, I don't know what that shit is called. TMZ, I got TMZ muted. And then... I'll still never get over that we had the founder of TMZ on and we didn't get into the fact that you despise him. Yeah, that was early on in the show, though.

So I, you know what I'm saying? I wasn't as bad if I was trying to be cool, but like, yeah, fuck that dude. And then Cristado.com. I guess it was something like, I kept seeing an ad, I think it was, for something. I don't even know what it is now, but I remember seeing it. And then one out, I'm not going to see online. Where do you text it?

We can. I'll tell you how I have to words. Where do I find my muted phrases? So you go to settings? I just rod. I made it way harder now. Like a man. I have no words muted.

Yeah. I've like muted and blocked accounts, but then. Where's settings? So if you scroll to the side, like go to the side. Boom. You can't find settings on Twitter. you want it all day, bro. I got to scroll down here.

You have a million followers on Twitter and you can't get it. Also worth noting the two survival guys had big trouble getting in and out of the Zoom. Are we going to leave that last part in? I think he should. He was just staring at. He was like, do I hang up? PFT, how many muted accounts do you have? I'm still trying to find.

Because I only have, I have 149 muted words, but 5200 muted accounts. I know that I, 50200? Yeah I'm muted I'm probably up there Do you follow that many people? No, it's just if I

So If I come across a tweet I don't like, you're just muted Correct Do you have a lot of blocked accounts? Not that many You just mute them Oh I only have two muted words

And it's both from the same TV show hashtag the undoing And then undoing Because I was getting caught up on it I didn't want to see these spoilers That's it Yeah. Now, I did. I've blocked a number of accounts. Most of them are just the bots that reply with, like, their t-shirts. If I'm wearing a t-shirt or if I, like, put up a link to a t-shirt or a picture of a t-shirt, there'll be like hundreds of people that reply sometimes. And they're all bots saying, oh, if you like that t-shirt, you can get it here. But it's some, like, random, probably scam website. So we just block them. I've, uh, I've muted age well. Like, because there's.

There used to be a time on Twitter where you could just say something. This didn't age well. This is a joke. Now, if you're just like someone swings and misses at the first pitch, it's like, oh, Joey Gallo sucks. And then two seconds later, he gets a home run. It's like, well, this didn't age well. It's like, I don't really care.

He sucks. Like, he sucks and I hate him. Like, I really don't care if he did something well right after I said this. Billy, you have any muted words? No, I rod dog the internet. I have McDonald's muted. What the fuck? no that makes sense they're big into they're big into integrated ads i thought it was funny that

you just had a cheeseburger as we were going right into the interview you just took a bite of a mcdonald cheeseburger i i don't think they've they probably haven't had a mcdonald's cheeseburger ever in their lives donnie or ray no they probably have you think so yeah there's there's one i mean they like went to college well something that like ray went to uh ray was a a pole vaulter at Oregon. I wanted to ask him if you ever had to use pole vaulting in the wild. But they were like, they haven't always been in the woods.

It seems like, and wasn't the way. And Donnie and Donnie served overseas and all of those bases they have McDonald's. Fair enough. I'm going to mute official ride share partner too. That's a good life hack. I'll never need to see that.

Where are we, All right. Settings. Settings. And then if you just search mute. Oh. Search bar. Mute and lock. Mute words.

Mude words. Got it. I don't have any mute words. Blocked accounts. Official ride share partner, now muted. All right. We have any other voicemails? Yeah, we got one more.

Hey, what's up, guys? Love the pod. Long-term listener. All right. So I got this question. I'm going to try to make it not confusing. So if you split up all the professional athletes in each sport and kind of put them in like a group

and maybe take like the average people, which athletes would be the best at all the sports? Like if you put them all in a group and made them play each sport, who would be the best? My vote is basketball players. I feel like you think of Rush. I feel like Rush to pretty much play anything. Football and baseball.

I mean, give them a little couple wax and the baseball field should be good but yeah but you also got to think like pitchers and baseball too so yeah let me know you guys think thanks thanks that's a good question I feel like this is one

that Coley's probably thought of knowing Coley's brain I think it's I don't think it's a good question because I think it's obviously basketball more so than football no it's not I feel like being giant being like 610 611 is not

That's a small amount of it. Most of them are between six feet and six six. And I think that you lends well to the rest of the sports too. Like baseball is you certainly not going to pick baseball. They're not going to. It truly comes down to basketball versus football. And basketball allows more free reign of thought player to player where I think football it's so structured.

Like you're taking an offensive lineman. They're going to be trashed at basketball and at baseball and at hockey. you take a running back like aryan like yeah they could probably play basketball i don't know if aryan's ever seen a baseball based on things he's said on this show hey two home rise a little league play for the texas rangers bro let him know hockey hockey i feel like it's a deep fourth yeah so i think it is basketball but uh allow me to pause it for one second almost nobody in any other sport is going to be able to play baseball they just you just it's a completely different skill set so if you take a baseball player like i mean they're still professional athletes like

most of them are probably like fine at basketball like could probably figure out how to play you know some position in football i think it is basketball because those guys are the most athletic generally speaking but the most lean too like it's a different like football guys are so bulky but the baseball players can do the hardest one so i think what are baseball Well, baseball players would be very good at golf overall, too. I think baseball players play the most golf of any other profession. Even basketball players have gotten super into golf. I don't know if it started with the pandemic.

Like everyone focuses on Charles Sparkley, but like every basketball player I know also plays golf now. I think I think rugby players would actually be up there, professional rugby players, because you have you have to be able to tackle. You have to be able to run. You have to be able to throw. You have to be able to run for extended periods of time as well. So but are we talking about like would be the best at the four major sports? If we're limiting it to baseball, basketball, hockey and football, and football, I would say football.

I would say football overall. I would say football. Are there four major sports? We're not, are we just throwing hockey out? How is that a major sport? It's a major sport. I mean, they fill arenas. They have a national league.

Small ones, yeah. Well, basketball ones. Dude. Yeah, half of them are the same arenas, dude. Half of them are, yeah. But I'm saying, like, it's really not played globally. You could. It's absolutely played globally.

I've been watching just wait for the thing that was going to make him speak up. The two continents completely just say, we're all set. It's very much played in Europe. It's very much played all over the world. Football. No, it's not. Northern Hemisphere. Hockey is not played in Africa.

It's not played in the Middle East. It's not played in South America. Right. Probably played a little bit in Australia, but not a lot. Because you need ice. We're long overdue to upgrade the four major sports. Like hockey is not carried it. Every time it gets locked out, no one really cares.

And it gets locked out the most of the four major sports. Are you making it three major sports or putting soccer there? I have been saying three major sports. for a while now, I'd almost be more inclined to move a second football. I think college football is our fourth major sport. No, I mean, college football is infinitely more popular than hockey. But yeah, no, I mean, that's true. But I, I, if, if we're counting college football under the umbrella of football as a whole,

then yeah, I would nominate soccer. Are we talking about America? Yes. I think four major sports is, is international. I think because Soccer has to be If it's international soccer is in there Oh I was talking just

Because when we say four major sports Like it's the North American league So like that's because we have the biggest leagues But we do not have the biggest leagues For soccer They are all overseas Ours is a minor league league Okay but if you're talking domestic

Hockey is a top four sport I don't think it's more popular than soccer In this country In the United States absolutely So let's break it down this way Okay That's interesting hockey versus soccer which one's more popular in america like hockey is completely i know big

tees from the south and he likes the predators but that is a rarity like it is not big in the south at all if we're breaking it down sport by sport we could take hockey say hockey players would be the best at hockey they would probably be the second or third best probably third best at baseball they would probably be first best in the cross for sure well no but we're sticking to four major the four major okay hockey players would be the worst at basketball if you've ever seen hockey players play basketball without question the way that they run is just awful um and then they'd probably be the worst at football as well right yeah so that to me says hockey is is the worst choice baseball players they'd be the best of baseball so let's just eliminate the the sports that they actually play baseball players would probably be the third best at basketball Who are the third best at football and probably second best at hockey because it's like a little racial profiling but no but I'm talking about like they swing and they have hand eye coordination for hitting things with sticks okay and then all right basketball would probably be the second best at football yeah they would probably be the second or third best at baseball and probably the second best at hockey, second or third best at hockey.

So it's really how do you feel football would do in those other sports? Yeah, I think I think football would have a hard time with hockey because you got a lot of big boys. And they big boys on skate sometimes doesn't work out as well. But they could be good goalies. They could be great goalies, good point. Aaron Donald playing goalie. I don't think that's true.

Imagine Aaron Donald playing goalie. By the way, I saw Aaron Donald do an agility course, and that guy is extremely agile. Oh, he has good feet. He's great feet and very flexible hips. So if you, all right, I looked up the number. So it only really counts soccer-wise if you're counting like U.S. people watching the U.S. national team play,

which is on like a national scale. Why? Well, because like MLS doesn't get a. as many as hockey does, like views-wise. I don't, I think that might not be true anymore. No, I looked it up. Certain markets. Right.

I'm saying, like, if you count it from a national scale watching the national team, soccer gets more views than hockey. So what I've noticed about soccer fans in the United States, they're big go watch the game. People, not as much watching on TV. That's true. Like, they like to participate in, like, the hooliganism culture. where it's like everyone puts the scarves on they chant like they try to replicate like what

they do in europe which is just do we have a soccer league like a yeah it's it used to be like a joke now it's kind of like it's a top 10 league in the world i'd say it's a top 10 league in the world probably okay premier league what's like the major soccer league in the world Premier League. What's the NBA? The Premier League, which is England. Premier League. It's like Premier League, I would say second, probably the.

Boondis League maybe. You think that's number two? Or Syria. I would say Syria. It's those three. Syria. And what, La Liga is four? La Liga, I would say, would be three or four.

There's too many. That's why I'm not, I don't watch soccer. So I don't know what to, there's too much. Quick question. The French League is pretty good. What's the EPL? It's better than the MLS. Yeah.

Is the EPL? Premier League. That's the Premier League? Yeah. But yeah, after those, like the MLS has good players in it now. I think China's got a pretty good league because they just, they pay a shitload of money to, like, guys that couldn't make it. Portugal has an okay one. No, I think we dust Portugal.

But that's what I'm saying. Like, after those first, like, five, like the MLS is, it's not on that level, but it has good players. It's definitely top time. Wait a second. Does Rinaldo still play for Juventus? No, he plays for Maine United. he slapped that child what you yeah that's why i realized it's like wait he was wearing red does uventis what league do they play in syria ah in italy oh okay and then there's some good

south american leagues too yeah that's true but yeah mLS the top 10 league in the world probably all right um so basketball so basketball or football football i'm going to be honest some basketball players are so large i think it would be detrimental other sports yeah i think it'd be bad in football i think if you and they're goofy bro they're the most fluid athletes of all of these by far well they're not yes they are okay what do you mean i see them i know them like they have a specific they have a specific skill set football's skill set translates more athletically in my opinion football like so we're you're not counting kickers you're not counting punters no no i don't even don't count them in real life

right but that's probably the argument like there's none of the argument like there's none of that in basketball. Like Kendrick Perkins is more athletic than most like half backup quarterbacks. Who's the least athletic player in the NBA right now? Well, I don't even count. I told you I don't really count quarterbacks anyway. I don't even feel like they on, they don't even think they play the same

sport. They're counting wide receivers and running backs. Yeah, of course. But even like, but even when you talk about like some of the linemen, like, I think y'all think they just like some sloppy, goofy like, bro, these dudes have some of the best feet I've ever came across, like period. Dude, look at, look, like Aaron Oh, no, like, yeah, he's a, he's the freaking extreme,

but like a lot of D. linemen are athletically big like that. That's what I'm saying. It translates more to, like, lateral movement. And it's just different, it's just a different type of skill set. So it's like, no, I'm not counting quarterbacks. They don't play the same sport we did. Kickers, same. They just, they just be chilling, listening to music, kicking all day.

Where you said? Yeah, I mean, go gig if you can get it. Until you miss. And your leash is real short, though. But with basketball players, like, I don't, I guess what, I guess it's because it's my experience with them. Like, when you meet them out and, like, you do other things other than basketball,

they're really, they look unathletic. It's really weird, actually. But, I mean, we've- look at the, look at the video of LeBron and K.E. And all of themers playing football. It's just horrible. It's like, all, like, it's bad. It's really bad.

I don't know. We're playing flag football. in a lockout trying not to get hurt, first of all. Second of all, look at this case. I mean, we're arguing this. But why? We've had this argument before. We have like, Billy, you sound like Billy banging for Elon.

Not quite. We haven't seen a college football player go, you know what? I'm actually just going to, like, that did not play college basketball, be like, you know what, I'm going to give this NBA thing a shot. We see that yearly with college basketball or, but yeah, college basketball players entering the NFL draft and getting selected. what it's a great point what do you mean i'm i'm i'm sure what you're saying people that never play football yes get drafted yeah mo alley cox do they oh alie cox do they play yeah yeah

who's mo alley cox he's tied in for the cult colts but he can't block over to what the who cares neither does travis kelsey that is why i don't respect him but he's in my point is he's in the NFL he's a he's gotten multiple contracts to be an NFL tight end so you have PFT's commanders just took uh what's the sammy's uh what's his last name rayus samus reus yeah yeah played never played football only played basketball and what was it central or south america chile from south chile yeah and they signed him last year with sight unseen on a football field that's kind of crazy i don't even know this right but that that that only happens basketball to That does not happen.

There's no other crossover where that happens. But then I wouldn't count those players as basketball players because they never made the NBA. Well, he's pointing out that people who have only played basketball can translate to football. Right, right. But we're talking about NBA players playing. So they're even better. I'm saying if they put their mind, if LeBron James put his mind to be a wide receiver. But I mean, when you look when you look at this, though, it's like I'm looking at.

I had never heard of you before, but like, he's not balling. He's just existing in the NFL. He's got multiple NFL companies. But how many college football players have gone into the NBA and been okay? But that's, I feel like that's a, that's a difference because what he did was say, I'm big and I can jump. And they said, we can use that, right? That's very specific.

You got good hands too. Yeah. I think that could be taught, though, right? There's nothing like that, especially with football because football bodies are shorter that there's no skill set that translate from football says, I can use that in basketball. You're just going to be. Is there worse athletes? I mean, I see a point.

I disagree, but I see a point. I think it's too. And I'm also thinking, like, if you're going to cherry pick skill position players, I'm only going to take ones and twos in basketball, like, that are extremely, extremely pliable, can stop and start on a dime, incredible quickness and long distance speed. Like if that's how we're going to do, if we're only going to take the top end guys, then yeah, I'm still sticking with basketball. I just think basketball is too specialized.

I think their skill set is just designed. I think it's the opposite. They spent their entire life just working on shooting a ball and dribbling and doing all those specific things to the sport. You're also, but like it's also the only sport where you're, let me make sure I'm saying this correctly before I say it. Baseball, you play offense and defense, but it's so much different than basketball's offense and defense to the point where like, you're like, yeah, Aaron's talking about Aaron Donald,

someone who is a dominant defensive lineman, his crazy quickness and strength. I think he could play offense, but obviously the NFL wants to just keep him on one side of the ball, whereas on basketball, you truly cannot play if you can't play both ways. And playing defense in basketball, it's not the same as playing offense in basketball, obviously, but the way you have to move your body, the way you have to bend, the way you have to turn around, box someone out who could be 40 pounds of muscle. heavier than you but that's how the sport is set up though

that's that's sure but that's my argument to him saying they only have one type of specialization which I do not think it's true Trey young would disagree with you that you can't Trey young is yes there are for sure exceptions I think I think the athleticism

and the toughness it translates to any other sport better like football does it translate to any other sport better because Bats and Bats they so they just It's like prima donas. Yeah, man. They're prima don't know.

You know what I'm saying? Like, it's just, I don't know. I think it's actually a good question. That's where the, I mean, if they didn't have guaranteed contracts, maybe they wouldn't be as soft and pampered. But they do. Facts. Well, I think it's also the culture around basketball,

especially like the AAU shit that growing up. It's like you treat, you treat 14, 15 year olds like superstars when they're that young, they start to believe this shit. A thousand percent. Yeah. That's why I argue LeBron is not as much. much a basketball player is he is like a Macaulay Coken child star like he's you can't look at him like a NBA player like he is he was on covers of magazines when he was 13 years old like he does

not have the same world as everyone else yeah and he fires his coaches the half of the season's over every time did you see what time he had his meeting today no i did i miss so when everyone gets eliminated which the lakers did a week ago um they have um a big t what's the word i'm looking for they have like checkout meetings at the end of the year exit interviews yeah yeah exit yeah i should have asked you you invented the exit interview um they have their exit interviews and lebrons was at 915 this morning the next time was 1 30 in the afternoon not because he needed four hours because he had to get the he wasn't sticking around like he did his at 9 in the morning dj augustine's at 515 like that's he's making the lakers front office come in for a full 12 hours

just because he wants to get the fuck out of there. Love it. That's great. Yeah, he's different, man. He's definitely different. All right. Well, thank you guys for listening to this week's macrodosing. I think we learned a lot about each other.

Billy actually left. Why do you leave? Well, he says that he has a big trip that he has to go on doing some interviews, which is technically true, but I think he just got bullied out of the room by Big T. That's what I think happened. No, we don't support bullying. We don't. But when it happens, you got to call it out for what, like, you just alphaed Billy.

He was a little. He's a little rattled. He's a little rattled. He is. All right. So we'll see you guys on Thursday for nanodosing. Love you guys. And talk to you then.