Macrodosing: Arian Foster and PFT Commenter - The Boston Marathon Bombing

Episode Date: August 3, 2023

On today's episode (recorded last week) the guys discuss the Boston Marathon bombing and all the events and arrests that took place following the bombing. Plus, Billy makes a football team out of cars (and construction equipment) and they discuss football practice, Bronny James, PFT's mortgage and much more.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/macrodosing

Hey, macrodosing listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon music. My heavy set D-Ns are, what are you doing? You're for sure not telling the truth, which is why I wanted to look, and that's why you moved to your computer. What are you talking about? Oh, inside is going to be run-stop. It's going to be, wait, let me look at my list. Yeah, he's definitely, this is giving, this is giving, uh,

Day of Science Project vibes. I don't know what you're talking about. It's a volcano made out of baking soda and vinegar. We're going Tesla Megatruck. Welcome back to macrodosing. It's Thursday. It's August 3rd. Aaron Foster just got done playing in a live proam. We're actually recording this a week ahead of time. So we're recording this on July 26th.

It's going to be grit week. So Billy and I are going to be out of office traveling across the Midwest. But we just found out from Aaron that he has been asked to compete in West Virginia in the live proam. We're trying to get him on Brooks Keppka's team. We're trying to make him a temporary Blake for a weekend. So, Aaron, how did you do yesterday? a week from now I think I killed that shit

you guys won yeah of course yeah I shot like two under par it was amazing with Brooks shoot he was one he was one under

so I was right there with him pretty cool that's awesome well congratulations how much money are you going to give to charity I'm giving her all to a dog shelter actually oh wow that's so nice that's so nice

If you feel comfortable giving the dog shelter, Muhammad bin Salman's muddy, that that's fine. I'll take it how we can get it. Yeah. A lot of people went after Arian for his dog takes. We're not going to get, we're not going to do another episode of Aryan versus dogs. I think,

I think we've driven that one into the ground just about as far as it can go. But there are so many people that are mad at you for your dog takes. It's funny. It's funny to me. But we're back. We're recording this ahead of time. Like I mentioned, I want to get into the show today,

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I had an interesting phone call this morning. I want to talk to you guys about, see how you would play it. I got a call, bought a house out here in Chicago. When you buy a house, they can just transfer your mortgage. Once you have a mortgage with a company, right? If you get a home loan, you deal with a bank, you get your mortgage. 30 days later, they can just bundle your mortgage up with somebody else's mortgage, a couple dozen others, a couple hundred others, whatever, and then sell those mortgages to a new bank, right?

So within the first 30 days, my mortgage got transferred over to a new bank. And I'm trying to find out who I'm supposed to pay my mortgage to because I'm like, you don't want to miss a payment when it comes to your mortgage, right? That shit affects your credit rating and affects everything if you miss a payment. So I'm trying my best to track down who has my mortgage right now. I eventually find out who has it. I call them, they say we have no record of having your mortgage. So I call the original bank.

I'm like, hey, who I'm trying to pay money on this. I don't want to get fucked. Who needs my money? And they say, well, we transferred it to that company that you called a second ago. I was like, well, they don't have it. So my mortgage is out there in purgatory at this point. And then they get back to me after a weekend of investigating. They find out that it was, there was like another company that got involved.

It delayed the transfer of the mortgage. And then my mortgage wouldn't officially be over at the new company until the end of this month. Right? So I call the new company at the end of this month. And they tell me, yeah, we, we finally do have your mortgage. And so we can set up payment for it right now. I'm looking at your outstanding balance that we have. It says here that you owe us $20 million.

What? And I was like, what the fuck? $20 million? And she was like, yeah, you owe us $20 million. You have an outstanding balance remaining on her mortgage of $20 million. And I was like, do you have the right file pulled up? Is that the whole mortgage? Did you told her cash a check?

Yeah, yeah, I should have done that. I should have been like, okay, yeah, a personal check. I'll send it to you. My first question was going to be, why do you have a mortgage? But continue. Okay. Anyways, they say I owe $20 million. And then they started looking up my file and they're like, yeah, we say, we say,

We see that you have a $20 million loan that you took out to buy this house. And I wait on hold for maybe the longest five minutes of my life. And then she comes back. She's like, I'm terribly sorry. There was a clerical error on our side. You don't have a $20 million mortgage after all. And then she gave me the correct amount. But she was straight up trying to collect like a payment on a $20 million mortgage from me.

That was crazy. That was a rough six minutes that I had this morning. So I wonder when banks transfer mortgages to other banks, is there like a physical file that they're sending over? I hope not. That sounds insecure as shit, Billy. They send it over in one of those big bankers boxes. Yeah, no, I thought I was going to be bankrupt.

I thought I was going to be in debt for the rest of my life. But fortunately, I had no longer owed $20 million on this home. What would the monthly payment be like on a $20 million mortgage? Well, is it a 30-year? Yeah, like it, yeah, a 30-year. And then you get that at like six or seven percent interest because interest rates are so high right now? It would be about 55 grand a month that's with no interest.

Yeah. With zero interest. Correct. So with interest, it'd be probably. So add another $3,300 to that at $6. percent. So about 59 grand. 30.

What's the interest rate we want to do? I'll give you the exact payment. I would say, let's just say 6%. That's probably on the low side. Damn. About 120K a month. Fuck.

Yeah. Wait, where'd you get that? Because the interest really fucks with your payments. Yeah. That's what Kevin Costner pays in child support. Yeah. Yeah.

Did I get the one, two, three, one, two, three, yep. No, I'm seeing. I have the monthly mortgage payment calculator up. Did you do 30 years or 15 years? 30. Let me say that. Do you interest times it every time? Back check him, big T.

Do it, talk that fact check shit. I did the math too and I got 55. But Matt, dog, did you do on a calculator? Yeah. Yeah, the mortgage calculator is different. Yeah, you can't do just 20 million to buy. by 30. 20 million to buy 30, but no, no, there's six percent. Yeah. Oh, Billy's economy degree. No, I worked in a mortgage. You worked in a mortgage?

Just, just check my list in a house. Just check my LinkedIn. Just check my LinkedIn. You have a LinkedIn, Billy? We don't have to discuss it. Yeah. I mean, you just said check my LinkedIn. You discussed it. Yeah, but like, I'm not to go through it. So you do have a link down. We're not to look at it right now. So PFT, are we going to get a DNA test on your dog to see what type of dog it is? Because I'm thinking there's a little more German Shepherd in there. Before the show, we were talking about how dog mommas can have several dog daddies in their litters can have several dads.

Yeah, in the same litter. I did not know that. And when Billy said that, I was like, this sounds like a Billy fact. It's definitely not true. We looked it up. It's true. It's very true. So when dogs go into heat, when bitches go into heat, they drop all their eggs at once.

It's like an album that comes out instead of a single. And then all the neighborhood dogs can hit and they don't know who's, whose pups who. It sounds like you're calling Blake's mama whore right now. I mean, I'm just saying he looks a lot different from the other pups. You know that. Yeah. Listen, we don't, we're not, we're not going to sex shame dogs on this podcast, okay? she was exploring her sexuality this was it was hot girl summer for and heat girl yeah yeah so she yeah

she yeah she might have had who knows because all blake's brothers and sisters they have they got long fluffy white hair and they've got a st bernard mask on their face uh blake and then one of his i think one of his sisters had brown hair uh the more i look at him though the more i think he might actually be part Mastiff. Like I might have gotten myself another Mastiff. What if he's got the same ear, the same tail, the same coloration on his back kind of that Leroy had. What if Leroy's the dad?

What if Leroy's the dad and you just, in a twist of fate, you got Leroy's long lost son who got a, what the fucks it called, a New Finland pregnant? Newfoundland? No, you mean, great periods. Great pioneers. great pioneers yeah billy i want you to look something else up for me yeah what is the gestation period for a dog how long are they pregnant uh but like you know sperm could be lurking no i'm just curious how long how long is it is a dog pregnant for the math doesn't work out but

i was giving no i want to know i just i just want to know 68 days 68 days okay so that would mean I mean, maybe his dad was the reincarnation of Leroy, if you believe in that sort of thing. Yeah. So we'll see. We'll do a DNA test on my dog and figure out exactly what he is. My money is on Mastiff, Anatolian Shepherd, Great Pyrenees. I'm going to also do a DNA test on my dog just to see what's going on there. 100% that bitch.

Yeah. humbers I mean you know what your dog is though right he's just 100% of floofer yeah he's just a hundred percent very good boy DNA results just came back Billy

you also had an assignment going into today's show do you remember what your assignment was yes to match up a car to every football position build a football team out of cars this is Billy from the future and I'm about to lie so goddamn hard right now Have you done that? Yes.

Oh shit, let's go, Billy. Yep. So. Proud of you. Quarterback position. Yeah, yeah. Okay, set it up, Billy. We'll make a clip out of this.

Billy, what are you about to unveil for us? We're going to do cars, different types of cars as a football team. All right. So the quarterback position is actually going to be an excavator because it's the only thing that can actually throw. out of all the cars. Okay. Not a car, but. Yep.

So a long arm. A cat excavator. A running back. It's a very hot start. I'm gonna lie. I had to Google excavator because I was like, is that a kind of like linking that? You know what? To be fair to Billy, PFT, you did tell him last time you were like,

uh, defensive tackles could be bulldozers. So you planted in his head. Yeah. The construction equipment. I did. It's just funny that here's my, here's my, my caris as football fliers. Let's see how many of these are cars.

Keep going. So for people that don't know, because I mean, I don't know shit about vehicles. Excavators are like those, it's like the things that people, that construction workers dig on construction sites for like deep digging, like when they're plotting buildings. And I guess it can throw. All right. Go ahead, Billy. Our next car, the running back, is actually banned in the U.S. Okay.

because it is not street legal and it's too fast and it is a Lotus Amera yeah really fast all right now so we're going

we're going with lightning over thunder in this running back position right yes sounds like not really a short yardage back yes this is we're running a spread here with the you're your first two cards I didn't know what they were so

how you spell the second one L-O-T-U-S Lotus Amera? Yes. How fast are we talking? Pretty fast. Pretty fast.

Okay. Our fullback is a Chevy Silverado. Good pick? Mm-hmm. Good pick, powerful, sleek. We're now getting to the offensive line. Our left tackle is a limousine because it's long. Okay.

Or like a H2 limo? No, a Hummer limo. Hummer limo. Okay. All right, good. Good pick. Hummer limo is our left tackle because it's long, you know. It's got short arms, though.

The door's kind of tiny. You need long arms. Yeah, but it's long. Okay. Our left guard. Can the guards be the same car? Yeah. Interior linemen can be the same.

Okay. they're a Chevy minivan Okay Yeah Just whichever minivan Chevy makes Okay

All right Actually had one of those growing up And they used to smoke Oh wow Like you know how you like you pull up to a stop And like Whatever's wrong with cars I don't know

But like it was just smoky One of the most embarrassing things in the world Yeah I had a Chevy van growing up too I had two Chevy fans Chevy Astro Hmm Mine didn't smoke

Our center is a Chevy Avalanche Okay Because Chevy heavy Okay Yeah so because Sometimes the center Pulls in our offense

Okay Get it out in space a little bit But guards pull more than centers Yeah but we're We're pulling the center A lot in this one Okay So spread

that utilizes a fullback where the center pulls well the full back fills we're not a running offense is what I'm getting nope okay we're going our wide receivers I want to know what car is the fastest in reverse

good have they ever done that like you can do drag races in reverse I just want to watch that all right sorry to interrupt our wide receivers are going to be a 2020 wait what about right tackle right tackle is also also a Chevy minivan.

Okay. Yep. All right. Our wide receivers are... Real quick, according to drive.com. That AU. Chevy Corvette breaks the reverse speed world record. 2017 Chevrolet Corvette.

Huh. I would love to see that drag race. That'd be sick. I'll link it. So specifically the Chevy vans are going to be Express 2,500 cargo. I was going to make a Chevrolet a Chevy fuck

a Corvette Wide Receiver 1 Okay, it's a good pick Yep Then we're going to go with a Ferrari And then a Porsche 9-11 All right Not a lot of blocking being done at the receiver position

That's fine though Right, right, but we need some speed We need Tyree Kill And a tight end, we're going to go with a regular Hummer. Oh, I like that. Yeah, that's a good pick. Now, D-Line, the nose tackle is a bulldozer. Yep.

I like it, Vince Woolfork. Right. Our D-Ns. They're running at 3-4. Yeah. Okay. our D-Ns are going to be Chargers

Okay so but if we're running a 3-4 defense Aaron maybe correct me if I'm wrong But running a 3-4 defensive set You'd want something that's more of like more involved In the run game gap fillers at the defensive end position Correct not like a true pass rush Yeah Well you want somebody who's a bit of a hybrid

And so because they can go anywhere from like, you know, a two-eye or a three technique to playing all the way out on a tackle. Okay. Or a defensive set. So Dodge Savvy doesn't. Dodge Charger, yeah. That's more of a finesse. I mean, a Dodge Charger, that's more of a finesse.

That's like a backup role. Dodge Charger? It's got some muscle to it, I guess. But, okay, well, it's Billy's List. It's Billy's List. Oh, you know, I totally misread. My outside linebackers are Chargers. That makes way more.

I'm sorry. I misread my list. The outside linebackers in the three-four. uh my heavy set dns are what are you doing you're for sure not telling the truth which is why i wanted to look and that's why you moved your computer what are you talking about so so figure out what your defensive ends are quickly uh Toyota Tundras Toyota Tundra's dependable they need to take reps they can't get off the field um they might end up uh in you know Iraq with machine gun turrets on them but uh

Those Toyotas, you know, they're mean, they're nasty, and they get the job done. As Dionne Sanders likes to say, they're from single-parent homes. So, yeah, yeah. All right. We're going now to the secondary. Secondary, we're going to. Wait, no, no, no, no. You said you're your outside linebackers.

You haven't talked about who's played inside. Oh, inside is going to be run-stop. It's going to be, wait, let me look at my list. yeah he's definitely this is giving this is giving a day of science pregnant vibes I don't know what you're talking about

it's a volcano made out of baking soda and vinegar we're going Tesla mega truck yep they're Tesla okay yes that's a good pick

I'll be honest you definitely didn't have that written down but that's a good pick from it you know he doesn't have a shit written down Tesla super truck he does have

something written down, but the entire defense has been thrown into disarray at this point. That's the cyber truck. You should have actually made one of the outside linebackers a true hybrid. Yes. Yeah, an EV. An EV, that's a good one.

Well, hybrid. Yeah. Different from an EV, but that's fine. The safeties are both Teslas and the cornerbacks are actually motorbikes because they need to be agile. okay yeah i i i would have put like a dirt bike in at at slot receiver no no no two to uh one of the yamahs bro like one of the yamahs and they can rev because they make a lot of noise they talk a lot

of shit what about what about kicker uh we talked about this is the fiat the little fiat car and the smart car is the part punter okay and the coach uh the coach is a broken down old pickup truck rustle. I like that. You don't even know what the brand is because it's rusted off. Referee is a cop car. Yes.

I like that. It's a Ford Explorer. It's a Ford Explorer. Hey, Roger Goodell in the box office and undercover. You should make the right tackle a fire truck. True. Yeah.

Right tack it. Yeah, that makes sense. I think your best pick was the inside. linebackers. The rest was obviously thrown together on the fly, but I appreciate the... But when it came to deliver the presentation, it was all there. No dump truck, huh?

No, because that's literally just fumble. That's just a fumble. The dump truck? Bad ball security? Yeah, it just fumbles the load. I mean, I feel like maybe one of the defensive ends could be a dump truck.

We'll work it out. No, this is the final list. Yeah, no, we can do it. Dump truck. Okay. Dump truck at defensive defensive end. Yeah, on heavy downs.

Okay. On running downs. All right. All right. Well, thank you for that list, Billy. That was great. Boom. I appreciate you at least putting together.

I'd say 40% of that list was done. 30. It was there. Be honest, Billy. Yeah. Going into this, how many positions did you actually have? Zero. Zero.

I didn't see you're looking around. At two, at two, he started looking around. I was like, are you supposed to be ringing from a list? Zero. So, so going back in time when I asked you if you did the list and you said, yeah, I did. And then I gave you a round of applause. That whole time, you knew that you were getting a round of applause for something that you had not in fact done. No, that I was about to do.

It's Schrodinger's list. we don't know until he says something if he's actually done it or not Billy can you can you just record something that we can put in right before and it would I just want you to say like

hey this is me Billy football and I'm about to tell a lie PSA say PSA this is me Billy football from the future and I just want you to know that I'm about to tell a lie

hey this is billy from the future and i'm about to improvise really god damn hard that's not it wasn't lying no that also ruins it's improvising yeah don't don't use that well you did lie he said did you do it you said yes mad dog mackenzie do not use the improvising line okay we won't uh this is billy from the future and i'm about to lie so goddamn hard right now okay that's fine I'll accept that. Put that in right when I asked Billy, have you done your assignment? No, I was making a blog, but then all, oh my God, no, we didn't even talk about this.

So much shit happened yesterday, blog-wise? Are you, are you blaming you not doing the assignment on aliens? No, no, on Aaron Hernandez's brother and LeBron James' son. And I wrote all these blogs. they all happened all around the same time but crazy stuff Aaron Hernandez's brother

Aaron Hernandez's brother was arrested for having plans to shoot up allegedly ESPN Brown University Yukon anyone he deemed profited off of his brother's likeness

and death like you know so damn yeah crazy He's a psycho.

There was it like four months ago. He went to ESPN and threw a brick. Yeah. Through a brick that had basically a warning like what Billy's saying. Like you guys profit off my brother, et cetera, et cetera. And then he signed his name to it. I mean, it's just a wow. Like he's just to walk up to the building and throw a brick like it's 1970.

I mean, the guy, the guy is, you know, nothing war. weren't any of the stuff he was threatening, but so many people made so much money off of his brother's death. And all of the money his brother had in that contract, he gets none of, his family gets none of, and they just get the weight of the tragedy. I mean, would make a lot of semi-good men break, you know? This brother also is clearly dealing with some severe mental health issues. Yeah. As Aaron probably was.

Yeah. The actions of both of them are not the actions of like a rational individual. Right. Even when you look at how Aaron was like trying to cover up the crimes, he didn't act rationally at all. And definitely not an excuse whatsoever. Right. But there's there's something with the two of them where there's some issues going on. Hopefully he gets these address before he truly snaps and does something terrible.

Well, you know, the documentary showed that their home life was really not conducive to happy, healthy, mental well-being. Right. Okay. So there was that, the, Brani, I mean, it's just very scary what happened to Brony James. Went into cardiac arrest during a workout at USC. Fortunately, and we don't know any of the details right now, maybe we do. because this is next week where the show is going to come out. But what it sounded like from the early reports was that his heart stopped

and that the medical staff, the trainers at USC, were able to restart it either with CPR or defibrillator or something like that. But that's a scary moment for sure. We were actually saying, I'm part of my take yesterday. We're glad that Billy wasn't on yesterday's show because he probably had some wild takes that you were ready to fire off. That's not funny. I mean, a guy, a kid almost died.

Right. So. Talk that moral shit, Billy. Yeah. You have no takes? No, I get pimped out. I have a statement. I have a statement on behalf of me and Billy.

Me and Billy. Okay. Hold, please. I prefer really not to speak. If I speak, I am in big trouble. In big trouble. And I don't want to be in big trouble. No, basketball, the reason why basketball is one of those sports where you have freak athletes with large bodies doing some of the craziest cardiovascular exercise, H-I-I-T, hyper-intensive, high-intensity interval training.

It's basically basketball. You're basically doing sprints over and over. Basketball has the highest rate of these types of spontaneous cardiac events. because not only do you have freaks whose hearts are pumping blood to farther reaches than any other types of humans like like six five plus like big dudes who are going to you know who are at most risk for heart problems and they're doing the hardest cardiovascular sport from that like football they're stopping soccer there's more jogging than sprinting basketball is just straight sprints so I think there's the highest rate of these events in basketball I think there was another player that that also went to cardiac arrest at USC last year right yeah there was another kid uh before like two or three years ago uh at UCLA um Shaq's kid he had to have like a surgery I don't know if he went to cardiac arrest but like he had definite heart problems he had to have

uh heart surgery that's scary stuff yeah it's wild man you know where it's it's always been an issue at the high school level in football it doesn't get talked about that much because you know so many more kids play high school football than play college football and so many more kids play college football than play in the NFL but at the high school level it's like a handful of kids every summer collapsed during workouts a lot of that I mean the what used to scare we used to talk to us about in high school was spleen last That was a big one. Guys, you didn't know they had mono.

Again, they're split and lacerated. That's why it would have been a big deal if Sam Donald would play, yeah. I would be willing to guess, though, this is just a guess, that most of the ones that happened in high school are like heat exhaustion from coaches just being like assholes then, like cardiac events. Yeah. During, it's not actually doing to the field, then do it again. Not actually during football, during sprints in,

in conditioning. Yeah. Do they even do two days anymore? I don't think you're allowed to. I don't think to the extent. Yeah, I don't think to the extent. But if they do, it'll be like, you know, walk through sessions or something in the morning and then maybe practicing.

From your perspective, Aaron, do you think two days actually helped? Um, um, so I'll say this. I don't think they helped me. Um, I think there's, a certain like mentality that some people are just have innately like when i lock into some

shit there isn't a thing on this earth that can determine from that if that's what i want to do right and i i will get hyper focused on it and maybe that's like a personality trait but for some people who just don't have that whatever that is i do think it i'm not sure if it's necessarily two days but i think like being around that mentality one but two being pushed to your physical limit in a healthy way because I think football doesn't do that in a lot of ways. But being pushed to your physical limit and then being around people who are also around their physical limit and all you guys are experiencing that together, there's something that that one to bond you.

And it's why like people like hiring ex-athletes, like out of college and stuff. Like, they look for that because they understand how to work in a team cohesive unit in a very real way. They understand pushing through those physical and mental limits. But I think from that standpoint, I do think it's beneficial to suffer a certain amount physically and mentally. Like I said, I don't think I ever needed that. It was always just an annoying thing to me, but I can see how some people benefited from it. Like, I didn't need the motivation internally, I'm sorry, externally to be, to execute internally. You know what I mean?

Like, I could just do, like, I always give the example of the lockout year. The lockout year was my favorite year because we couldn't, we had to work out on our own. And I loved it. And that was one of my hardest training sessions. But a lot of people need that external. So, like, sense your question in a long way to way. Yeah, I do think they're beneficial But sometimes you get that mixed with power hungry coaches

Who aren't the best at, you know, emotional intelligence and reading kids It can get weird in a lot of times it is Mm-hmm I always felt like two days were It was more for the coaches sometimes than it was for the players Yeah, they're like if you don't if you don't go through this like awful, awful three weeks of practice, then you're not going to be

in football shape going into it. Is that a thing? When you, in the lockout year, when you started to get hit for the first time, did you feel like it took you longer to recover after that? No. I think football shape is stupid. Yeah.

Football shape is real in a sense where it's like running six, seven, eight plays back to back at full speed, you can't replicate that. But as far as like being able to get hit, take a hit that's something especially at the NFL level you should already be able to that you're fine like I should be able like I don't even think you really need to hit like that I got a I got a weird argument because in high school I feel like football shape is much more

in play because you're playing both sides of the ball usually you know what I'm saying yeah no no I think football shape is a thing like I said it plays back to back to back to back but I think if you're in shape you can adapt and you'll be fine i think it'll be fine if you're in shape in general but i don't think you i don't think you need to like like for instance like i know you's a quarterback you never did thee but or maybe you did no i did not you ever did nine on seven the only time i didn't play uh uh defense was my senior year high school what did you what would you play on defense that was an outside linebacker okay so you nine on seven yeah yeah nine oh seven is the stupidest fucking drill ever, bro, ever.

And for people that don't know, a 907, the 907 is basically football without the safeties and receivers. Well, corners and receivers, because the safety is still coming and fill run gaps, right? So you just have free, free hits on the running back. And it's a run play every single time. Everybody knows it to run. And it's just, it's just banging. It's physical guys.

It's inside runs. It's just so annoying. And to me, like shit like that is not necessary, but they'll say, like, you need that. You need to get in football. But I feel like once you play at a certain level, you don't need that. And it's more technique. And to me, you need to emphasize recovery, which is what they're doing now more, focusing on sport science and how much energy people exert versus, you know, all of that. They take all into account. But I don't know, man, like 9-07, like shit like that. Like, just old school football thinking drills that make men,

like that type shit, that shit needs to go away. And it slowly is. water breaks too more water breaks water makes you weak I remember that coach that told you like you can get in your mouth but then spit it out I never had that one yeah yeah I still grew up in the two-day era

but we were allowed to get water whenever we wanted to like that wasn't yeah you grew up with with water for pussies and then and then also get your hands off your knees

I don't know if the coaches still do that. Don't bend over. You saw off if you bend over. And I think recently of a study came out, like your body gets more oxygen. Totally wrong. Yeah. There's no air down there. Yes, the fuck there is.

There's more here than anywhere else, actually. But there's probably a reason why your body's natural reaction is to put your hands on your knees. There's probably an evolutionary trait that goes along with that to get more oxygen to survive. I used to see, this is another reason why I used to get called, like, you know, I wasn't very good to coaches because they would say that to me, right? And I'm a running back. So my natural position when before is my hands on my knees like this, right? And I used to just tell I'm like, I'm getting in my stance. I'm practicing my stance. Can I ask you a question? Do you think you would have enjoyed coaching you as a football player? Oh, hell yeah. Really? Oh, my God. Yes. Yes. I love people who are inquisitive.

and I love people that I only have to tell something one time I love that like so if you like they used to like harps and shit over and over and over again I was like and I used to tell them I was like coach all you if you tell me one time I got it this is not math I got if you tell me this is the guy I got on this play on this formation I got you like I got you like that plain and simple I was I was I felt like I was a great I had no I had zero issues with any coach in the NFL one I had I had. I went through coaching staff. I went through receiver coaches, head coach.

I had no issues with any of them. It was just in college and it was just in high school because they feel like you're supposed to be a certain way and they have to mold you into that. And if you're anything outside of that, you're a troublemaker. Nonsense. I don't disagree with you. I just think like, I guess maybe a better question would be,

do you understand how some coaches could get the wrong idea when you say I'm getting in my stance, which is a great line, by the way. It's a beautiful line. Yeah, I do. But their idea of a good player is like a good soldier, right? So you don't ask questions. You do what you're told because my way works.

I've been here before. My way works. And they're not open to any new ways. But in my opinion, that's bad coaching. Because in my opinion, a good coach knows his personnel and puts his team in the best position with his personnel. Like, it just makes more sense. And so, but I also get it from their standpoint of they're trying to mold men and they have so many that it's kind of a one-size-fits-all thing, but I don't know. Did you experience that more at the high school level or the college level?

because that was the biggest shock for me at the college level that the coaches didn't trust me to deal with my shit. College for sure. Yeah. College was a little more intense for me because their jobs was on the line.

Yeah. And so in high school, they were like, look, it's your future. You're fucking up, right? But then, you know, in high school, I was just so much better than everybody. Like, I didn't really have that issue,

especially when I moved to California. I definitely didn't have that issue because I was just like so much better and everybody else and like the game plan was give me a ball in college um there was just a lot more head button uh because i didn't agree with the system as a whole one like this is when players were royally getting took advantage of um i didn't i didn't agree with the system and i also hated micromanaging so like if i had to if i got to get a c or be in this class and i have like a certain amount of like, this is what I hated the most, like, it would be in my syllabus that the

college professor gives in, right? On somebody, some of these things, like, you know, you can miss five days before we start docking. Or I don't care how much you come, you know, as long as you turn in your assignments and finish your test, right? They didn't allow us to have the same college experience academically that they did other college students, right? So, like, I had to, like, we had class checkers, meaning if I wasn't in class, I got in trouble. I'm like, why are you micromanaging that? You know what I mean? Like, if my professor says I only have to be there a certain amount of time,

why are you micromanaging my attendance? That didn't make any sense to me. And when I challenged that, I was like, I was looked at as a troublemaker. I'm like, but it doesn't even make a sense from an academic standpoint, which is why we're here, right? And I would throw that in their face. And again, once you start throwing like that kind of logic in her face, they feel like you're challenging them as men.

And then it gets even deeper. Then it's like, I just don't like this kid. but they can never rationalize it to me they can never rationalize it to me but again it is what it is plus i was 19 yeah sometimes i wish i could go back to college and redo it all again just when i'm older and more mature because i think i've gotten way more out of it you and me both my brother do you think in your uh enhanced wisdom you would uh go to class more or like go to keggers more No no I would have

Would you want to go to college again If you could only go to class That's the only thing you could do Yeah If I could play football and go to class again At the place I am now And not Like there's so

I think plus the allure Of a lot of that Made me Like not prioritized stuff right Also a whole other thing I was like dealing with You know Coming off this weird two month

internship that apparently just became my whole personality the second I stepped on campus. That was weird. Well, clearly you wanted to distance yourself from it. I did for four years. No, for like two and a half. Two and a half years, yeah. Sorry about that, Billy. No, it's just robbed me of a college experience, man.

It's cool. No, I'm kidding. Not kidding. You robbed yourself of a college experience by going to where you did. I had no idea how it would impact my life. I would have played. If Billy went to like a state school, like a Wisconsin

or like a big party school, like we would have never seen him again. I don't know. No, but I wish I could... It might be in the league. True. Who knows? He just needed his shot.

All right. Well, do you guys want to get into today's topic? Yeah, real quick. By the way, Athletes that recovered with their hands on their knees showed their heart rates recovered more quickly. They had a greater tidal volume, the amount of air, the lungs displaced while inhaling and exhaling. And they exhale carbon dioxide at a quicker rate than compared to the group that recovered with their hands on their heads. I want to take that study and throw it in coaches like, I had no argument on them.

Papers. I had an argument with my, with my boxing coach about this exact thing, because after rounds, I would sort of, I would want to do that. and I told him that and I showed him that study and he goes yeah but your opponent thinks you're a bitch now I was like I was like well

that does make a small point it doesn't right because I would see I would see big dudes like big tough motherfuckers right and what they would do to compensate instead of bending down they would put their hands on their head like this and like cross their legs and like bend over like that I'm like that

look softening you just bending over and taking a brunt that never made sense to me Oh, no, man. You ever see like a big-ass limel? Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? Struggling. Just struggling. When it's like, I don't know, I think bend over and take a breath.

Jokes on you if you don't think your opponent needs air. Look at this pussy breathing. Hold your breath. Air makes you weak. Air and water. The two biggest enemies of, of, uh, Good athlete. All right, boys and girls, the Boston bombing, the Boston Marathon bombing and the ensuing manhunt that followed it.

It still feels like it was just a couple days ago. Like, it feels like it was very recent, doesn't it? Like, there's a lot of stuff that we've talked about on the show that feels like it was a long time ago. For whatever reason, the Boston Marathon bombing feels like it just happened. I was in seventh grade. okay so maybe maybe not for you that was when the years felt long you know now they go by in a blink of an eye but seventh grade was still i guess for me the boston marathon bombing is one of the first major news events that i can recall hearing about and following primarily on twitter as it happened

and as it developed and or i guess excuse me x on x.com and don't do that and getting all the updates you don't like x no come on also it was it was twitter at the time so you are correct to say twitter yeah um but yeah that's that that's how that's how that's how uh i consumed it for the most part i think a lot of people followed along on twitter as it happened remember when the news broke it's like what what's going on boston like there's a bombing at the marathon it was a pretty chaotic time and it kind of ended up shutting down an entire city um but if we want to go back to the beginning there were two brothers there was one name jokar and then one named tamerlin the sarday of brothers or were they Chechen billies i think they were from that region

i think their families i couldn't find an exact place where their families were from but what the the chechen war was a part of their manifesto. Yeah. I believe they were Chechen nationals. And it's crazy. Like if you go back and see the history behind what happened in Chechia, it's like the rise of Vladimir Putin really poured gasoline on all the civil unrest that was going on that part of the world. It was like right after Putin became president or whatever his title was in Russia, all those apartment bombings went on. off, and they were blamed on the Chechen rebels. And it turns out that Putin, through his security apparatus, definitely staged at least some of them to blame on the Chechen so they could crack down on them and arrest a bunch of people, basically turn them into an enemy of the state.

So the Chechen people had a pretty rough go of it for the last, what, like, probably longer than the last 20 years, but at least like the last 25, 30 years. There's an insane video that goes around on TikTok a lot of a Russian general talking to a Chechen leader who fought and they fought together in Afghanistan and trying to convince the Russians not invade because they've served together in the Soviet Union, but the Russians were invading. And this one dude was like, we serve together. Please don't send your sons here. They will leave their mothers without sons. and it's like a very emotional exchange between two guys

who fought together were in the same, but now we're on different sides. But I'll see if I can find it. It is very moving. That's wild. So his family, their family immigrated to the United States, and Tamerlin, the older brother,

started going and training at a local boxing gym was apparently a pretty accomplished fighter. And his younger brother, Chakar, was always like kind of looked up to him. they were very very close and at some point in maybe 2013 they kind of became radicalized and they downloaded an al-Qaeda manual they downloaded a bunch of stuff discussing jihad and very clearly became like anti-Western civilization anti-America they downloaded in inspire magazine and one of the articles in that magazine was how to make a bomb in the kitchen

of your mom and it told you how to use pressure cookers and like uh you know film with ball bearings and to take sections of pipe using powder uh that you can get from like fireworks and how to make bombs essentially so they they started at least researching weapons building at that point and they they started going to local gun range they ended up buying 48 mortars containing about 8 pounds of low explosive powder they bought that in New Hampshire

that's crazy that you can buy 48 mortars at once I don't know if we need sensible mortar control but it seems like that's too many mortars that you would ever need for a reasonable thing What should be the cap on mortars?

One What would you do with one? Like blow it up in a field All right, just for fun With the boys, yeah That would be fun Yeah, you could justify like, hey, I want to take this thing out into a field

And blow it up because it's cool 48 is entirely too many mortars for one person to have Let's see how hard is to buy one All right, Billy's definitely put himself On some list right now If I'm not already there Yeah, I mean, come on, he's on him but I'm open

I'm on a podcast twice a week so hiding in plain sight it's probably the way to do it yep every time I heard about mortars was you ever play Clash of Clans

Of course Yeah yeah so when Clash of Clans was cracking we had a clan and you know you set up mortars inside your camp I didn't know they were actually real Clash of Clans on the iPod Touch

in 2010 was scenes scenes. It was fire, man. It was fire. I had a camp you wouldn't believe. What was yours like? No, I don't.

I mean, it was just like... What level were your walls? This was so long ago, I don't remember, but it was awesome. Yeah. I got up to the... I think it was like where they were like dark red. So it was like around 11 or 12. I had a nice little...

I just remember when like when my timers would run out so I could do more stuff, I would sneak the iPod touch out in 8th grade and pull it out and mess with it. Good times. Oh yeah. So were you what kind of raid?

What was your go-to raid? I really don't remember anything about it. Oh, okay. I was in it. Other than it was... The dragons. It was it at the time. A couple dragons and like a shitload of balloons with the speed up potions. Oh, I love the balloons.

Yeah, yeah, that was my bag. All right. So I would just check. Sorry, go ahead. No, it's all good. Billy, I'm curious. Have you done any research into the triple murder that took place in 2011? That's tied in with Tamerlin? Were they think that he was a perpetrator? They think that he was a perpetrator.

And one of his colleagues from the boxing gym that he worked at was also implicated in it by the FBI. So there was a triple murder where one of Tamerlund's best friends got shot and two other individuals that were inside that apartment also got shot and killed on September 11th, 2011. I thought they were like they had their heads cut off. Yeah. Oh, you're talking about the drug dealing plot. Yeah, yeah. So the heads were cut off in that one? Yeah, that's what I thought.

I thought they like cut their throats to the point that like they cut their heads off. Thousands of dollars worth of marijuana. and money were left covering their mutilated bodies and all $5,000 was left in the apartment. The local district attorney said that it appeared that the killer and the victims knew each other and the murders were not random. Yeah, so one thing that I've learned

from watching Law & Order a bunch, which, by the way, I'm still waiting to get my call to be the person that discovers a body at the beginning of Law & Order. I think I'd absolutely knock that one out of the park. Like, you're going for a jog. Oh, my God. That's it.

And that, do-d-d-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. that's how you see it though you're going for a job yeah probably not probably like coming home from a bar like smoking a cigarette looking at my phone a trip over a corpse pee on myself and run away yeah so okay so I didn't know that that these were the guys that were decaptive but there was a triple murder and one of the guys involved was one of Tamer love's friends that trained at at the same boxing gym as him yeah Ibrahim Todashev was a Chech was a yeah he's another Chechen now that was um that was the guy say his name again Billy

Ibrahim Todashev yeah so that was another person who was questioned about this triple murder so that was also his his good friend but one of the guys that was killed was a friend of Tamerlans from the gym and yeah bloody gruesome seeing it but going back to what I was saying was anytime you see like a murder that's done with a knife that has just a shitload of stab wounds or just like an overkill is what they call it that nine times out of ten is going to be somebody that had a close relationship with that person because it's so violent that it's not something that you would just do randomly it would have to be somebody that you had like a deep deep seated emotion towards

that would make you fly into that type of rage. So they thought it was somebody that the dude knew. And they questioned that guy, Ibrahim Todashev, three years after the murder down at his apartment in Orlando. The FBI questioned him. He was questioned for like five hours, maybe even longer than that. And at the end of the interrogation, they shot this guy. I think they shot him seven times.

and killed him at the end of the investigation. They filed a wrongful death lawsuit against the FBI. The FBI stories, they picked up a metal pipe and tried to attack the interrogator and then the other state troopers that were in the room also came to his defense. And it was interesting because after the fact, you look back on it and you're like,

okay, well, this guy was Tamerlund's friend that got shot to death by the FBI. And Tamerlin was also implicated in that murder. Now, what the official explanation of that is, is that Tamerlin, one of the Boston bombers got radicalized, turned on his friends from the, from the boxing gym, because they were selling drugs allegedly. And he was like, this is Haram. This is not acceptable in the eyes of Islam. And so that was like the first step of his, like, entry into using violence in the name of his religion. The three men were also Jewish. And they said,

said that there might have been a religious disagreement between the two Muslim and originally they said from the report they thought that it was just going to be a drug robbery where they just run up on a trap house which was just three high dudes who were only smoking marijuana so very easy target um to just take the money but it then took a ideological turn during the investigation. But it's crazy because that's that's one dude that knew Tamerlin probably better than anybody and he was killed by the FBI in this. But we can fast forward a little bit.

They, the brothers took some steps to cover up their tracks a little bit. They started buying more and more bomb making devices and prepaid cell phones and things like that. And then on April 15th, 2013. during the Boston Marathon, two bombs exploded. One at the finish line, and then one that was just down the street on Boylston Street. And two explosions within, what was it about like 10 seconds, 12 seconds, I believe it was the time in between blasts.

And that sparked like the biggest manhunt in Massachusetts history. She got crazy. So, yeah, it's 12 seconds after the first explosion was the second one. And so that began an all-out hunt for who these guys are. And everybody had cell phones, right? Like this is a very photographed part of Boston at this time because you've got all the marathoners that are crossing the finish line. And so everyone's taking pictures of their friends and family members.

There's cameras out everywhere. So as they're trying to figure out what happened here, they have just thousands and thousands and thousands of hours of footage to come through, whether it's all the security cameras that were set up outside or everybody that had an iPhone out recording things or the actual video cameras that were out. So they're trying to track down who the individual was or who the possible group of individuals was. And this was a wild time online. You guys might not remember.

You guys might not have been online. but there were some wild theories going out there. Your boy Alex Jones was at the forefront of this. I remember listening to Info Wars like the day after this happened and as some of the screenshots were going out, Alex Jones had his theories ready to go after like six hours. He's like, here's exactly who did it. He circled people in the crowd because they wore a backpack that had like a skull on it

and they're like, this person is the guy. This guy's definitely trained by the United States military. this is a military operator he went all in on this being a United States military job right off the bat I just remember being in school and before they caught the guys they were like they're definitely coming to New York City

they're definitely coming in New York next and I feel like everybody probably had that as a kid when something batted out and they'd be like oh they're coming to our town next yeah well they actually they might have been planning that yeah in later parts they were their next target was time square yeah so so um it was so tamerlin his brother jokar they they rolled up to these two locations tamerlin went down to the finish line and then jokar went to uh with a few blocks

down the street and dropped his backpack there and uh that's it you can see that on the on some security camera stuff that came out after the fact but The FBI is combing through, like, all this footage, trying to figure out what, like, where, um, these perpetrators were. And they knew the exact location of the blast detonation from just like forensics and they can go back and see, okay, here's where the damage was done. This is the exact location that the bomb was placed at. So they start going through all this, all this footage. And this one person that was across the street had, um, some very clear videos and pictures of that exact spot. right before the bomb went off.

So they zoom in and they see, okay, it's this guy, actually, whoa, Billy. It's the guy in the backwards white baseball cap. The man in the hat, they called him, I believe. With glasses on. No, that was his brother, Tamerlin. Well, that looks like Tamerlin right there. That guy.

I don't know, I don't know about that. Is that, are we, is that guy? No, so they get what they think is a positive ID. Or at least an ID on who they think the perpetrator is, this guy in the black, in the backwards white hat. And then they start looking through all their footage, trying to figure out who this guy, who this guy is. We've got all the security cameras. Let's trace backwards from the point where the bomb was placed. Let's look back on all these security cameras to see where he came from and where he went directly afterwards.

So they start finding more and more images of this dude. and the key piece of evidence that it was him at the time was when the first bomb went off there's security camera footage that you can see of him the first bomb goes off at the finish line everybody else looks down at the bomb he's the only person that looks away and starts walking away like he's not surprised that the bomb went off like he knew it was going to happen and he starts walking away they start looking for the FBI starts looking for this guy in the white hat trying to figure out anything about him who could he be and then uh somebody that's involved in the investigation leaks one of the screenshots to a local news channel and it's like this is our guy

um we need to this is our guy if you want to put the word out there the FBI was pissed off that got leaked because they thought that it was going to send that guy into hiding because i mean imagine if you did something bad and you don't know that the cops are on to you yet you're probably not hiding anywhere right you're probably just like chilling out your house probably a little bit nervous checking the news and then the second that your your face gets out there you're like well they're on to me we got to make some drastic measures to try to get away right now huh that's how they got to uh idaho murderer they just didn't tell anyone the whole time they kept it secrets so they could gather enough evidence to yeah there were there were all these people online and like the true

crime community be like why aren't they telling us anything what are they trying to hide from well sometimes when they're trying to find somebody they don't they don't share that with reddit so uh for for some obvious reasons i think this was one of the first times where we really saw how much technology like made committing any types of crimes like impossible especially these big serious ones where they'll put the resources behind it because they literally took every single photo taken to that exact location there's so many pictures and they were able to locate their exact moments there's so many pictures in any given time Think about how many pictures people, like, other people have of you that you don't know exist because they're just in someone else's shared photo album where you're just a bystandard in the background.

Mm-hmm. Like, that's just insane to think. Like, just walking through a crowd, you're in like 20 photos. Yeah, getting away with crimes is probably more difficult right now than it's ever been in any moment in human history. Except when they want to, you know, put, like, sweep something under the rug. Yeah. Yeah. So the first blast went off at the finish line. It killed Lindsay Lou. It killed Martin Richard. And it seriously injured a whole bunch of other people. The second bomb, sorry, that was the second bomb. The first bomb killed Crystal Marie Campbell and then injured a lot of other people. And the bombs were like these pressure cookers that had ball bearings inside of them. So it just because they were on the ground, it took out a lot of people's legs. And I was doing some researching in this episode. I listened to a conspiracy theory podcast about this. There's some fucking idiots out there. Some real, real moral. Like one dude was saying that the

person who lost his legs never had legs to begin with and that it was fake blood that he poured on himself. Like, just, I don't know how you, you got to, just asking questions. Just asking questions. They actually said that like, did he even have legs to begin with? Yeah. Yeah. Yes, the man had legs you think you think a bomb goes off and then there's this guy that that uh was up there and he had two fake legs and then the bomb goes off he takes both of his legs off and then dumps red paint all over himself and then you're like oh shit that guy everyone believes it now he guys like no that didn't happen i think it's more people's inability to deal with tragedy more than anything like they rather believe that is what happened then unfortunately these people died and it kind of lost

his legs. Yeah. And there are some people tying in, like, bystanders or people they got hit with some of the shrapnel and saying that person, look, they look like the principal from Sandy Hook that got killed. Like, they thought it was the same crisis actors. Yeah. So we should try to become crisis actors.

I don't even know if they still do that. That's got to be a nice paying gig. No, no, I think paid protesters by George Soros would be a better gig. I think they pay better The crisis actors though Like crisis actor is a real job But it's to help Like police and

emergency services prepare for a disaster So it's just like being extra in a movie Where you show up and you're like Okay here's going to be your role for the day And at some point crisis actors became like just You can either say false flag or crisis actors About any tragedy that happens And you'll have the first person to say

either one of those two things is going to have a following of people that are like, yeah, this guy's right. This guy's speaking the truth. I think I would be a good crisis actor, though. So after the blast goes off, they look for him on the security cameras. His picture gets released or leaked to the news. And then the FBI is like, well, now we have to release our picture. pictures of the guy. So they drop the pictures on TV, on the internet, and then they ask for

tips. They get thousands and thousands of tips, and none of them are good. In fact, one of, when Tamerlund's friends sees him on the news and text him, he's like, holy shit, this guy looks like you. Ha, ha, ha. And Tamerlin was basically like, shut the fuck up. Stop texting me. I mean, the craziest thing is the footage of them back at whatever colleges they were at, at UMass Dartmouth and stuff following the days after the bombing. I have a couple, I'm not sure how true some of them are, but a lot of people who actually knew the brothers, because we have a big Boston listenership,

DMs me, who knew them, like secondhand or used to. So there's some pretty crazy stories that I got. I don't know how true they are. I'll take them with a grain of salt. But none of them are like that far-fetched from the DMs. but if we want to check those out in a little well you can't just introduce them but not saying well we didn't finish the story

no tell me okay okay I'll hit you with them uh let me pull up the DMs my buddy from college his older brother was random roommates with Sarnov at UMass Dartmouth when the bombing took place and got detained by the FBI question to hold nine yards wild stuff i don't know if i could get an interview comment from him

he basically said that the kid wasn't that interesting played video games world of warcraft until three to four a am hardly spoke english to my buddy's brother seemed to never start or do school work but wasn't really interested in partying or any uh living the college life either i think he told my buddy that he was going to see family in cabrins the weekend of the bombing so when he left it wasn't that big of a deal at one point sorry to have texted someone he gamed within the dorm if you could grab something from the room don't think he ever guy because my buddy was gone at that time and it was locked but when police searched the dorm room i believe the bag he meant to grab was filled with firecrackers in fireworks i also worked for a guy who

had an rc car shop on the side and sarnon visited the store beforehand trying to buy the programmable remote that was then used in the bombing uh new hampshire my boss was got questioned by the fbi and they took all the security footage and whatnot yeah so that was one story so world of warcraft yeah uh okay this is the interest one um overall super weird uncomfortable guy her boyfriend told me that night they would smoke weed every night together according to my sister's boyfriend he was a big blunt guy didn't talk much but they called him jafar like the villain aladdin because he got they got weird vibes uh parentheses wildly racist he was the kind of guy that who always thought around but didn't have close friends on the campus just always found them all at the end of the night

my sister vividly tells a story about getting stuck in an elevator during pirate week. Pirate Week is a party week at UMass, Dartmouth for like 25 minutes, really drunk on rum, but didn't say a word the whole 25 minutes. They were stuck in the elevator. When the FBI raided the school, my sister's boyfriend had to get questioned. They just took his phone and left him on campus. What would your move be, though, if you were trapped in an elevator? Alone with a girl? Yeah. Just immediately say, I'm chill. I have a sister. I'm I'm just going to guess that that would make the woman panic way more

if you just looked at her after it stopped and you're like, I'm chill. No, it's cool. Like, I'm not going to... Don't worry. I'm a Lana Del Rey fan. I'm not going to try anything weird. Do not be alarmed.

I was to Lana Del Rey. That would be wild, though. That would be my first order of business to be like, hey, this is weird. I just want to let you know. I am of no threat I know this is a weird situation for you I would do everything

let me know how I can make you comfortable you know what I would say something in that order because that that that shit would be terrifying for her I would just call my mom I would just be like FaceTime

yeah FaceTime my mom like don't even say what I'm doing just like take out my phone and immediately Hey mom what's up I'm trapped in an elevator Yeah there's somebody else here I don't I don't know her yet would you like to meet her I'll establish the P corner Actually that's problematic

That's actually the worst thing This is the left side Okay This is without your dick immediately Start pee Yeah that's I don't know that there's like a wrong way Or like a

You can't judge somebody In an elevator stuck situation If their responses Just be quiet That's the walking behind a woman late at night on steroids yeah yeah how to make them feel comfortable in that situation yeah so he goes back to jacart jacart goes back to campus and he just kind of continues to be normal or try to be normal um to like keep that up in his in his room he had a shitload of

fireworks and he realizes after his after the photo gets out there like I better get all the incriminating evidence he might have also had some bombs in his dorm room so he goes they scooped that shit up and they leave and they go back to their apartment in Cambridge and the two brothers got I think they got five different IEDs they got a machete and they got a handgun and then they drove over to MIT and they proceeded to kill a police officer Sean Collier they rolled up behind him and just ambushed him in his car to try to take his gun they don't take his gun they tried to but they didn't and then they call that there's a cop that's nearby calls that in like okay well we're on the lookout for a cop killer which doesn't really happen that much at MIT then they

hijacked this dude um have you guys seen in the documentaries about the guy that got hijacked or they got carjacked. It was a Chinese guy that was studying over in the United States. And they rolled up on him, carjacked him in his Mercedes, got in there and said, basically, drive were the people that did the Boston bombing. He takes out his gun, shows him that he's loaded, showed him the clip. He's like, yeah, I got bullets in here. They told this guy to drive him around. they want him to drive to New York

because they say they're going to go bomb time square so this guy who's getting carjacked at the time is just thinking to himself like they're going to kill me I'm going to die tonight they go to a gas station because they ran out of gas and at the gas station he jumps out of the car and sprints away

and if you see the footage this guy is running so fast away from the car this guy is fucking booking it runs into another gas station calls 911 and he says you can track the SUV because i left my iPhone in it so he communicates the police like these are the guys they say that they're the boston bombers my iPhones in it you can ping it and you can track it so using the find my phone feature they start tracking this SUV as it's driving down the highway as it's trying to get to new york and um they ended up getting they got pulled over and the cops tried to arrest them and they get into this gunfight

with the cops where they start throwing pressure cookers and pipe bombs at them and I forget how many gunshots were fired at these guys I want to say it was over 100 in a residential neighborhood mind you they pulled into residential neighborhood and the cops opened fire on them and there was actually one cop that was in his car about 100 feet away from the guy and Tamerlin turned at him, fired one round, went right through the windshield of

the car. The cop puts his car into drive. This is some diehard shit. He puts his car into drive. He steps out, opens the door, steps out and starts walking with his car as it's rolling at the guy, at the suspect, exchanging

fire with him using the door and the body of his car as cover. And then when he sees Tamerlund look away, he runs out of the car, hides behind a tree, and lets the car keep going. And Tamerlin thinks that the cop's still in the car. So he's distracted. He just keeps firing his gun at the cop car that's slowly rolling at him while the cop starts to fire out him from behind the cover of the tree. There's another cop that goes around it through a backyard, hops a fence, flanks him, gets up right next to him, stands six feet away. from them. They're six feet away

from each other. The cop starts firing his gun, emptying his clip at him. And the cop says that he hit him like four or five times with gunshots from about six feet away. And Tamerlin kept firing back at him until his gun ran out of the ammo. Then he took his gun

through it at the cop and ran away. They chase him down. They tackle the guy. I was going to say, there's no way that that was the first time that cop did that move. there's there's no i don't i refuse there's no he had to have practiced it if you improvise that all in the first thing you're the best cop in the world i've seen that's crazy so well they probably dream about this shit all the time yeah like we which wild is

that was the cop's first time ever firing his weapon in the line of duty jeez dude but yeah you you definitely you've you've you've thought of that moment oh like when you that's the reason why you become a cop is to do something like that Yeah, you like, if you're a cop, like, I think of crazy hypothetical situations and I'm nowhere in any close to any type of action. There's probably cops who are in it who think about that shit all the time. They're like, yeah, what if, what if like I just put my car into neutral, rolled it towards while shooting and then put it to drive? That's a, it's just a hell of them. It's a movie move.

It's awesome, like, dope-ass, dope-ass thinking. But also, they fired like a hundred rounds into a resolution. residential neighborhood that went into houses and it's like a miracle nobody got hurt 200 to 300 rounds 200 to 300 rounds shots the suspect shot 56

times detonated at least one pressure cooker bomb and threw five crude grenades three of which exploded most of the officers were equipped by the respective agencies with either Glock 22s Glock 23s 40 caliber S and W caliber pistols and

MSP troopers were armed with Smith and Wesson's M&P 45 pistols with 45 caliber bullets ACP investigators to match the 9mm casing and projectiles found the scene to the suspects 9mm Ruger P95

They only had a P95 Yeah And they fired 56 times Holy fuck And they threw all those bombs And you can go online and watch videos of the shootout People in in these houses

are just like holding their cameras up to the window and just taping, just live streaming sometimes this crazy shootout that's going on right outside where you've got, yeah, like you said, 200 to 300 shots being fired. I'll say right now, if that happens on my street and I hear 300 gunshots going off, I'm not going to be hopping on Instagram live.

I'm not like, I'm not trying to be a hero with my phone and pop up in the corner and like videotape that shit. Are you yelling at Star? I'm hiding, yeah I'm hiding in the bathroom I'm getting the fuck out of there I'm not one one dude even tried to go outside to be like what can I do to help

like he was like he was going to jump in and the cops are like get the fuck in your house that's what she can do to help but yeah 200 to 300 shots 150 or so I guess we're fired by the cops pretty dangerous pretty dangerous decision making by the cops

but I guess and at the time they didn't know that this was the Boston bomber. Some of that had gotten lost in translation from when I've read about like the guy that got carjacks saying that they claimed he was the Boston bomber. They just thought that this was a carjacking, maybe potentially related to the killing of the cop at MIT, but they didn't know the implication until they started to throw the bombs at him, one of which was like a pressure cooker bomb that just didn't explode for some reason

next to one of the cops that probably would have killed at least one other guy, maybe two. But, well, yeah, the presence of mind of Bruce Willis, that guy in this situation to, like, put his car into drive is, I mean, you got to take your hat off to the guy. He pulled off in all the time. It would have been nice if maybe he had hit him with a couple of the gunshots, but just, just to like pull that move off in the heat of battle. It's kind of crazy. That's some crazy video game shit.

Harvard can't. at the end of the I would say do you think at the end you know how every cop movie they always even though they catch the bad guy

they always get cussed out by their sergeant because they cause so much damage well yeah serge's gonna have my ass serge's gonna have my ass yeah he's going to do

Sarg I had to put the car in neutral yeah total the bins in the because I think at the time

when the first gunshot came through he probably thought like fuck it I guess I can just, like, this car is going to be totals anyways. Let's just, let's just use it as a battering ramp. Because if it hadn't already been damaged and you end up just destroying the car, your sergeant could be like, you cost me a $60,000 vehicle out there.

No question. Oh, but then also like, the city would have to pay for like all the bullet holes and the other houses and shit, right? Yeah. If this was anybody except for the Boston bombers, all these cops would have been on desk duty for like years. Well, probably when they really. Realize those Boston cops probably went nuts, like bloodlusts of the brim.

How soon do you think the first, so there were the two gunfights, right? We haven't talked about the second one yet, but there were two of them in neighborhoods. How soon do you think the first person who called the city or the police department was? It was like, hey, like, I understand that we're looking for these guys and that it's really important. But there's like eight shell casings in my house. and one of my walls has bullet holes in it like when are y'all planning on

coming to fix that yeah because I get a couple days Boston strong yeah like I get it totally same team but somebody's got to come come fix this house

who gets billed for that because if it's if it's metro police in Watertown which if you didn't know like if people say they're from Boston most likely they're from a town outside Boston like Watertown and so the Watertown

isn't going to pay for it so it's got to be Metro Boston paying for it yeah so that's a lot of paperwork Big T they might have just said like hey if you wouldn't mind patching those up yourself then you can bill us and we're good for it

that checks out they sent the cops back to do like to spackle the walls yeah the chain I'm going to change some drapes You know, I have to embellish my walls, get a new door, maybe, you know. You need to learn your lesson. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Run up the bill a little bit.

Yeah, I mean, the city pan for it is what it is. That ran on the tree. Looks like you, you upgraded the siding on this home. Are you sure that was the same time? You get like three strips of the premium shit put in. New roofing? We hit, yeah, had to do, redo the whole roof. All right, you destroyed, you destroyed my computer that was inside.

That was worth $5,000. I had a Strativarius violin, $1.2 million. All those shrubs that were ran over, all Japanese maple saplings. Yeah, which are like, pay up. Which are crazy expensive. Have you ever seen how much of Japanese maple costs? I honestly haven't, Billy. They're like, that was expensive.

If you see someone with the Japanese maple, they, that's, that's wealth. That's some insane wealth right there. Japanese maple savitts that what? sapling. it's happening so it was a wild wild gun battle and um

jikar got away he got away relatively safe I mean he was able to leave Tamerlin tried to run away he's the guy that allegedly got shot like five times at point blank range almost he tries to run away they tackle him

and jaccar got back into the Mercedes and drove it at the cops that just tackled his brother and his brother on the ground and they all like jump off him at the last minute and Jakar drove over his brother which probably killed him at that time but he also was shot a bunch of other times

there was a cop that was hit by some friendly fire and he almost died I was Richard Donahue but he ended up surviving so they take Tamerlund to the hospital he's dead he's got head and torso injuries and his fingerprints they took his fingerprints and they're like yep we know who this guy is now we know who his brother is we can try to track this this the other guy down now so um also just a quick aside talking about cop movies how soon after uh an exchange of gunfire takes

place do they come up to you and they put the they put the blanket on you you know what I'm talking about like if you're if you're like a cop the battle's over you're sitting like on the curb somebody comes by and they put a blanket on you to make you feel better and there's coffee yeah yeah that's like the EMTs and stuff that do that so I'm sure they've got to get there you don't think a cop does that does it no but they they put the blanket on the cop oh they give you a cup of coffee it's usually like right at sunrise yeah they put the blanket over your shoulders I don't know what the blanket does. I'm sure we've got some EMTs out there that listen to show.

Shock prevents you go into shock? Why do I think it might? You go into shock because you're cold? Yeah, it might. So the brother drives away in the SUV after he just drove over and killed his older brother. And then Boston is basically shut down at that point. They get the guy's name. They know who it is.

And then they do a door-to-door search. church and Watertown. They put that under a shelter-in-place order. I don't know the legalities of the situation. Like, how long do you think that a town like Watertown, and Billy, you're probably more familiar with it than I am, how long could they tell people like, hey, everybody stay inside? They did it for a while.

Well, so that was during the shootout. I mean... No, it was after when they started looking for the guy that got away. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I have a feeling. It depends on how much beer they have in the fridge. Really, that's how you deal. That's probably, I mean, we saw what happened with the revolution.

They told them to stop congregating. And, you know, so I guess as much beer as they have in the fridge. Yeah. It seemed like Boston was locked down for a long time. And water time was definitely locked down. And so they have this huge police force that starts. going door to door, just checking out every single house, knocking on the doors, being like, is anybody in your place? Are you under duress right now? And they can't find the guy. And they bring

out like the craziest cop equipment of all time. They've got tanks basically rolling through Watertown. Also, if you're a cop, like you probably use an event like this, you're like, we get to bring out all the crazy shit that we technically have, but never get to use. So might as well bring it out. It seems like just every cop in the surrounding area was was looking for this guy. And so they get his name. They find out where he lives. They take all of his shit that still remains from like his dorm room from his apartment. And I think Obama actually got on the phone or somebody from the White House got on the phone with Watertown was like, hey, I understand that you guys have a shelter in place order. I just want to let you know like this can't go on forever.

pressures them to lift the shelter in place. That's how you know this was a while ago. They told people you don't have to stay in your houses forever. We can't shut down life for too long. It's a good point, Big Tate. It's a good point. Who was president when we kind of shut things down? Was that Obama still?

Are you talking about in this? Well, they had to get him out. No, no, no, I'm saying like for COVID. Who's president? They had to get them out. Well, the president wasn't the one making the calls. Yeah. Okay. Okay. So they go door to door, don't find anything.

They lift the shelter in place to order technically, but it was a, it was a legally you are allowed to leave your house, but also you should be very, very afraid because the Boston bomber's out there. And he'll probably try to bomb you next if you leave your house. So most people stayed inside anyways. And there was, they checked this entire town. They went, they went door to door, checked everything out, didn't, find anything. Then this guy, David Hinaberry, goes out to check on his boat because that's what dudes do just in the morning. I guess this is like at 7 p.m. He goes out and he's like, I was looking at my boat earlier and there's a man in there that's covered in blood and he's

underneath his tarp. So the cops say that they have a person that they believe to be the suspect and he's cornered in the boat and they try to figure out what the best course of action is. to get him out because they think that he still they flew like helicopters overhead use infrared thermal imaging saw that he was still moving around so they saw that he was alive but they didn't know if he had more bombs or or what he had so um they they get up close to the boat and they fire flashbang grenades and then they just start shooting into this boat they lit this boat the fuck up billy do you know how many how many shots were fired in this exchange let me go back to the ballistics yeah go back to the ballistics there were police quoted by the

washington post and the firing of weapons occurred during the fog of war a subsequent review by the commonwealth of massachusetts provided this more specific summary one officer fired his weapon without appropriate authority in response to perceived movement in the boat and surrounding officers followed suit and around the contagious fire billy billy oh yeah okay good sorry to interrupt you i'm glad you got to the end of that sentence though. I love it when cops give their like their explanation of something that happened and they use all these giant words and very veiled ways of phrasing what actually happened. At this point, we attempted a dynamic exercise that led to the that led to the commencement of numerous rounds of incendiary weapons being activated by the philanges of the individuals that were firing the weapons that were also. wearing official city badges and uniforms.

Like they spend like 50 words when maybe maybe seven words could get the job done. So basically one guy, one guy got trigger happy was like, fuck this. Let's shoot the guy. And then contagious fire. I didn't know that gunshots were contagious. Contagious.

You see someone like really pumping some lead. Then you're like, I'm going to pump some lead. But the honor off weapons continue to be fired at several seconds. until on-scene supervisors ordered a cease fire and regain control of the scene. The unauthorized shots created another dangerous crossfire situation. So no one really knows how many shots were fired.

Everyone sort of kind of didn't fess up to it. I would say probably hundreds. Yeah, this was probably sounds like more than the first time. Also, initially they said that they thought he was armed. And then they admitted later like, yeah, we kind of knew he wasn't, and they still, like, lit the boat up. I'm surprised he survived. Which?

Firing squad. Far enough. Mob. Yeah. Hmm. I mean, maybe the, it sounds like they just need more firearms training. Bit more better guns, more guns. How can you shoot at the boat and not hit him? Like, it wasn't a large boat.

Thank God. You're going to hate me for this. My, uh, my stepdad worked for the police. apartment for a long time, and we went to the rain for one time, and I outshot him. Oh, really? Yeah, oh, yeah. To this day, we shot two. We shot a Revolver, and we shot a Glock.

I outshot him with the Glock, and my brother outshadowed him with the revolver. So we both. It's an ongoing joke with our family. I was like, you can't shoot the shit. Was he mad? Oh, to this day, he's pissed. Because he didn't know, because I didn't handle the weapon before, and I was younger. I was way younger.

But he didn't know. He's like trying to, we go to the range that all-going. To hear him tell the story, it's hilarious. But like it's an ongoing joke because, like, he takes it to the range. Like, okay, this is what you're going to do. You want to hold it properly. And we're like, uh-huh. And then we out-shoot him because he had the, you know, I had a little test, whatever.

Mm-hmm. I got him. It's hilarious. But his eyesight may have deteriorated. Oh, I mean, I don't know. I'm pretty sure there's some sharp shooters on the force, but I'll shot my dog. so you are an athlete that's true

got good hands I guess yeah I do can we go shooting as a podcast I'm down that would be a great video just saying would it yeah if we just

shot some shit it'd be fun if we get our hands on those slow-mo cameras yeah I love watching that I love watching like watermelons get blown up by bullets those are any time

I'm bored. I will either go watch the blacklist or videos of shit getting blown up in slow motion. You ever seen the shit that gets crushed in slow motion? Oh yeah.

Hydraulic presses. Yeah, that's what it is. That's one of the most satisfying things there is. They can literally crush anything. Baseball is getting thrown out of a machine at like 800 miles an hour. Oh, they're just, it's so great.

Are you guys on the glasses rolling down the stairs. Yes. Love that stuff. Do you all know what that is? No. I see which one. Wait, you don't know. So on TikTok now, a big thing is this account that just takes glass bottles of different varieties and rolls them down the stairs and seeing which ones break. And it's the most satisfying thing you'll ever watch. I'm goaded now at knowing I will say what stare

it's going to break on. Oh, I'm not back. That's impressive. Yeah. The little ones where they have two points of contact, where it has the little ridges on them. Those don't break, the smaller. The dark beer breaks. Light beer will, the cap will fizz, but the bottle won't break. Wine breaks first step. So does vodka. Vodka.

Vodka breaks first step. Campari always, they always do compari. Is it how he said compari? And compari always breaks first step. And then if they put marbles or something in it, those usually break second or third. Or the hot dogs. the one that put the hot dog in the middle. There's like, there's like, um,

orbies. Oh, it's so great. And the videos are like two minutes. I watched the whole thing. They'll put orgies in one and they'll put a hot dog in the middle and then it'll break and then it'll say the hot dog. Surprise. I just watch the compilation right now. Heineken is some bitch-ass glass. Yeah. Heineken shatters immediately. These are pretty cool videos.

I'm going to, I'm going to have to watch. Yeah, I'm watching the jar of olives broke second step that that one that one surprised me at the end of the day we're just dogs we're just dogs watching something like ooh I love I always think about how they clean all that up too

so much clean up I was saying I was like I was like I was like I feel bad for we got to clean this up I guess he just does it yeah I'm sure they clean it up real well real well probably take great care of that

very satisfying so they fire probably hundreds of rounds into this boat and Jekar got out of the boat and he raises hands to surrender, lifts his shirt up to show he doesn't have a bomb on him. There's a great picture out there of him with, he's got the laser dot on his forehead, like right between his eyes, ready to go. And so he surrenders at that point. He's got a shitload

of bullet wounds in him, either from the previous shootout, probably some from in this boat. But they took him in and they questioned him. I guess he could only write his answers down. when they bring them in. And so eventually put him on trial, is found guilty, obviously. And then a couple months later is when an FBI agent shot that guy that we talked about earlier. It was a couple months after the bombing itself, maybe a month after, when they were questioning about his relationship with Tamerlin. and so yeah the victims yeah in that previous triple murder their throats for slash and pot had been sprinkled all over the bodies so uh jocard pleaded not guilty they found him guilty and uh in the aftermath of this there was a stupid stupid movement on twitter it was the free jihar movement because a lot of publications put out pictures of him um that made him look good like flattering pictures of him

there was a Rolling Stone magazine article that that made him like look like Bob Dylan on the cover of the magazine and people were saying it was glamorizing what had happened and people were very mad probably rightfully so to be pissed off about that but there were a bunch of idiots. That happens a lot though. That happens a lot

when people like even sexually fetishized like mass murderers or whatever like there's like a bunch of times like women will write letters to like dudes who are in jail who have murdered people and they're like start relationships like oh god that shit happens a lot though i think that's just the testament to how fucking crazy we are as a society but that shit that's

that happens a lot did you see the the attraction of killers uh that the whole there's like a psychological base for it because back in the day killers used to if you were like the lover of the killer the killer won't kill you type thing caveman days back when I guess that would make sense that was appreciated more before nukes back when men were men but I blame the zoomers for this

a bunch of the zoomer girls like fell in love with this kid and there were a bunch of there were like SoundCloud rappers that tried to make their careers off being the person that was exposing why this guy was innocent Alex Jones again had a bunch of videos that he claimed exonerated the Sarniaf brothers.

One of his key pieces of evidence was he claims that during that first shootout, he had a video where you can hear them saying like, leave us alone, it's not us. And so he's like, there you go, there you have it. These guys are Patsies that were set up for it. So Alex Jones, if you're the type of person that says, Alex Jones is right about a lot of stuff, you need to go back and review Alex Jones's catalog.

Because he's been extremely wrong about most things that he's put out there, including this one. So, yeah, that's pretty much the end of that story. I wanted to say, though, when you were talking about you remember this was the first thing you followed on Twitter. This reminded me a lot of the Idaho murders in that, obviously, that one went on for a month or however long it was, a couple months. And people were like, you know, nothing's happened like this guy's. on the loose they don't have any leads whatever it turns out they had the guy basically the whole time um this one obviously they didn't they were searching for him but it went on what four five six days something like that and like people were like are they ever going to find

these guys but everybody had their own theories of stuff like obviously they knew they were pretty much contained in boston because they had the mit thing and then the shootout at the watertown but like it went on for long enough that it was odd that they hadn't captured the second guy yet yeah it was it was very strange so they got him he was convicted i think on 30 counts and then he was sentenced to death got the death penalty in this in this case and there's a lot of i mean the victim impact statement it's tough to watch if you see the survivors that talk about all the shit that happened it was like utter chaos and a lot of people's lives were lost a lot of people were uh permanently disabled disfigured

And maybe the best moment, if you can pick a good moment out of all of this, was when David Ortiz gets on the mic after they catch the guys. Goated. Yeah, it's at Fenway Park. And they're wearing their, you know, it's like, I think they wore the jersey that said Boston on them, right? Yeah, usually their home uniforms say Red Sox and they got one that said Boston instead. Yeah. And David Ortiz gets on the mic and just goes, this is our fucking city.

and the crowd just goes nuts and nobody's going to dictate our freedom yep goaded moment shout out big poppy and yeah that's basically all I had does anybody else have any

other info they want to jump in with well the conspiracy theories was that Sarnav was a FBI informant he was in charge of infiltrating the radicals but as a false flag to get more support of the war against terror he was framed for the bombings

and he was working undercover at the time and they helped cover up his murders because he was such a high value intelligence dude but that's bullshit I want to know like all the like people who radicalize all these guys be like terrorist shooters because there's there's always this like

elements of these dark room chat rooms where they get radicalized and like I want to know if there are intelligence agencies that are like looking to stop like psychos who are like goading them into doing crazy shit and then it happens

it's like oh shit we we tried to like find the radicals on the deep web, but we Well, the Russian government told the FBI to look into these guys in two years before. Yeah. And they did, and then they were like,

yeah, they're fine. Yep. The reason why that conspiracy about them being FBI involved was because the Sarnet brother's uncle and other members of the Sarned family repeated the theory and claimed that neither brother

actually committed the attacks. they were just framed by the FBI after being assets in other regards. Wasn't, didn't one of his uncles get on TV and basically say like, turn yourselves in, give yourself like he was like, like people were rooting for one of his uncles, I think, because his uncle was very much on the side of like arrest these guys, get him off the street. What are you doing? Yeah, I'm not pushing that, but just to. No, I'm saying like the, like his uncle was on the side of.

of everybody that was affected by the bombings. Yeah, I think there's many uncles in those families. Oh, many uncles. Yeah. Okay. There was also a Saudi National that was that was investigated right afterwards. They thought that he did it. And I think they even, they might have arrested him.

They definitely interrogated him and kept him detained for a long time because they thought it was him and he had nothing to do with it, apparently. So there was that wrinkling investigation too. But yeah, that's, that's the Boston bombing. and it sucked and heart goes out to anyone that was affected by it for sure but the response to it was also just

a wild a series of events that's anything shit yep um I don't know if you guys have anything else that you want to do to wrap up this episode I got to get running to the vet I'm taking Blake to the vet

today getting some puppy shots because because he's a lib backs him up You vaxing your dog. Yeah. Fauci is going to stop by. He's in Chicago right now. He's going to come by and make sure that he's got distemper.

What else is there? Like parvo. Rabies. The barvo boosters. Boosters. Yeah. He's already had one booster. So now he's got the second.

Perfect. And then how many more shots are they going to make me give it? Once a year? Once a year? When does it end? Yeah. I don't know. Never.

He's living. Little Blake is living. under the giant paw of big pharma I say let these dogs have their freedom you know his body his choice but it's consistent that's consistent with let the dogs

live out in nature and live with their parents actually that reminded me I need to get a new vet for my dog I just moved yeah you can't go back to home okay actually it probably would be cheaper I should just still go back yeah it's like a mom

and you have a car very true all right guys well we will see you next Tuesday for nanodosing this is our last episode that we're filming here together

crazy that's wild damn Chicago here we come this is now my office no it's my office Billy has put a paper sign on the door that is written in pencil

billy's all I think that makes it my office. This will be Brianna Chicken Fry's office. She's going to have to come and take it because it says on the door. That's rough and rowdy. Rough and rowdy for this studio. Yeah. I'll see you in Chicago.

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