Macrodosing: Arian Foster and PFT Commenter - The D.C. Snipers

Episode Date: October 6, 2022

On today's episode of Macrodosing, the crew goes back to 2002 to talk about the two snipers that coordinated random shootings all around the Washington, D.C. area for weeks. You'll hear everything from how John Muhammad and Lee Malvo met to how they put together attacks that had the entire country looking over its shoulder. All of this and more on today's show. Enjoy!You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/macrodosing

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It's 20 years, 20 years ago, just about on the dot. I said 10 years, that goes back to me thinking that I'm 27 years old. Wild story. I actually had never looked into it besides like random shootings. I knew there was two guys delved into it. This one's interesting. Yeah, it was like the very definition of random shootings and it was fucking terrifying. If anybody out there lived through it, I was in the D.C. area at the time.

Life got turned like upside down for about. I couldn't imagine. Yeah, no, it was crazy. you like everything. It was like a mini COVID. It was like a mini COVID hit in a micro targeted area where he couldn't like go outside. You couldn't do anything. It was very strange.

So we're going to get to all that in a second. But yeah, welcome back. Speaking of Al Gore, do you know that there's now, let me look at the exact statistics, but when Al Gore was giving his uncomfortable truth speech. Inconvenient truth. Inconvenient truth. The polar bear population has quadrupled since then. Let's fucking go.

That's awesome, right? Great job. Is it? For who? Not if you're a seal. Not if you're an Eskimo. Yeah. Is that?

Inuit. Inuit. Or a seal. What's the population of polar bears in 2022? There's 31,000 polar bears now. What was the polar bear population in 2001? I don't want to go all conspiracy theories, but this is a conspiracy theory podcast. I feel like there were a lot of animals growing up that we were told were in danger or made to believe that they were endangered.

Mm-hmm. that now it's like there's abundance of them. Pandas. Pandas. I'm told that we have too many bald eagles. Yeah. Like we have an abundance of bald eagles. Yeah, I'm actually, I'm like looking at this.

So in 2008 when polar bears were designated as a protected species, the New York Times noted the number remained unchanged. There are more than 25,000 bears in the Arctic, 15,000, which run within Canada's territory. So in 1984, yeah, so the, And yeah, so the polar bear population hasn't really gone down or just decreased. That was like a, like, huh, Al Gore. Al Gore. So what other animals were, was I led to believe were in danger? Pandas were the big one, but China realized that they could use pandas as diplomacy,

so they started breeding the fuck out. It's soft power. Yeah, they were like, expansion of there. You're telling us that these things that we used to kill can now be used to like make alliances. and spread Chinese goodwill. Mm-hmm. Hmm. But, oh, keep talking, Billy.

I got, I got mushrooms. You got some mushrooms in your mouth? I took my mushrooms this morning. And my brain's feeling pretty good. I have to say. Everyone's saying that they didn't feel those. You know what? I might double up.

I'm doubling up. Okay, so I just, I swallowed my lion's main mushrooms from Jake Plummer. I think they work for me. I think they work. But I think I have to get to the end of the bottle before we can really tell, right? Mm-hmm.

well you know what i was on a lion's main regimen before we got his good stuff and then the good stuff hit the neuro pathways were like developing but that just bang it is just bang and now i'm superpowered figuring out that algor lied about the polar bears yep they never declined big tea what other animals were you led to believe growing up were endangered um i i feel like i remember hearing a lot about elephants rhinos yeah the rhinos it's real right that's real so yeah lions there's been a huge increase in the polar bear population but it hasn't really decreased

so in the 1950s when there was abundance of hunting they were down at 10 10,000 and they were increasing till 2000 and then there's a little dip and now they're on the up and up so I don't know let's see what else Al Gore said it was going to happen

that hasn't happened I'm just I'm very woke about the entire thing about the whole endangered animals thing The thing is when all these big charity organizations like WWF, a lot of those people in those organizations are making six-figure salaries. Oh, wow. And so when you're donating all this money, like, yeah, it's going to the cause, but the cause also includes huge salaries, organizations.

But wouldn't you make the argument that if you want somebody that's good at leading the organization, someone that's qualified and able to raise a lot of other money that you need to pay a competitive salary? True. That is true. Because you're not going to find that many people that are at the top of their game that are willing to work for, you know, 50 grand a year. Yeah. Poaching. Poaching is the ivory trade. That stuff's true. The ivory trade has absolutely had a huge impact on rhino populations, elephant populations. Yeah, about that. About the whole poaching of the ivory, I feel like that's one substance that could very easily just be faked. It's keratin. Can't you just make your own ivory and, like, tell people that it's from a tusk?

Why do you have to, is anybody going to, like, do the DNA testing? You'd be like, wait a second. This actually isn't from an elephant. This is, this is plastic. Well, it is the whole, it's like a pearl or a diamond. Like, we have lab grown diamonds now, but it's just not the same. Synthetic ivory seems like it would be a good work. Well, ivory is just keratin.

It's just like what our fingernails and hair is made out of. Yep. I mean, I do understand. Have you ever seen some of the whale, the whale carvings? Like the old, that's pretty cool. The Scrimshaw stuff, like back when they were whaling. I'm from the northeast, so whaling culture is pretty built into a lot of the coastal towns. And, you know, I have a lot of family from Rhode Island.

And Newport used to be a big whaling town. Martha's Vineyard Vineyard Vines, pink whale. It's now like a preppy symbol now. But like that whale used to mean something like hard men used to go out on the seas and do battle with these Leviathons. The pusification of whales. Yeah, the pusification of whaling is something that has really. impacted, no, but have you, have you ever read Moby Dick? I actually have not.

Moby Dick is, so I was forced to read tons of crazy books in my, you know, English classes. It's called high school. Yeah, but like we had to read like tons of stuff that I didn't really relate to. And the first book that they made us read that like really like got me going was Moby Dick. And even though it was like written in like old English, not really old English, but it really was sick. It was just about you a bunch of dudes hopping on a boat and being like, let's go fuck shit up. Yeah. And like go battle these monsters.

And that was sick. Like this like anyway, well, I know. I agree with you. I think that a lot of there's a shitload of like metal bands and. Yeah. Mastodon. Mastodon. Yeah.

Yeah. They based most of their aesthetic around Moby-Did. And I do love, I love like metal influence sea shanties too. Yeah. Oh, dude. I mean, sailing culture is just like it's a different vibe

it's like an aggressive vibe like but what was I talking about a scrimshaw whalebone so they used to do a lot of art on whalebone and that actually is real I found really cool like a lot of walrus tusks too I think the northern Inuit tribes

and you know actually you actually has a fascinating history Greenland I was reading this mystery book about the Netherlands in Greenland and it was about the interaction between the tribes there in then actually it is Denmark it's Denmark not the Netherlands in their like interaction the like colonial aspect of Denmark in Greenland with the native population so like there's tons of just really interesting

history that just ended up getting inscribed on these whale bones walrus tusks but what we're getting back to is the poaching ivory trade most of the ivory that gets taken especially rhino horns the rhino horns doesn't get made into art they get crushed up for herbal Viagra

that's why yeah it's the dick hard business it's the hard dick business you can sell anything to a dude by just telling them that it's going to make your dick hard remember when we thought COVID was caused by pangolins that were getting shipped in the wet market you said that

No, that is what everyone thought. Everyone thought the pang... I remember the bats, but I remember you being the only person. There was something about pangolans. Yeah, no, I do remember the pangolans, but I also distinctly remember you're the only person that I heard that from. Yeah. Researchers, this is February 7th, 2020. Researchers in Guangzhou, China have suggested that pangolin's long-snaut anti-mammals used in traditional Chinese medicines

are the probable animal source of the coronavirus outbreak that has infected more than 30,000 people in reeking, epic whirlpied. Yeah. Everyone blamed pangolins first. Okay. I just remember hearing that the pangolins from you. Yeah, because I was the only one who is... You're deep in the research. I was deep in there. Anyway, let's not get into that. Poaching to protect a... Actually, it's pretty wild. Um, the, there's actually employing a lot of military contractors on these game preserves. So like... To defend, that'd be a sick job. Yeah, a lot of Iraq war vets are going over. It's like secret service, except for lions. You're protecting the lions.

The lion population also, not that bad. Pretty good? Yeah. That's refreshing to here. Tigers are bad. I'm just trying to think what else we could convince guys to buy if we were like, it'll give you a boner. I think guys would, oh, the vaccine, if you just said side effect of the COVID booster shot

is you're going to get rock hard boners. Actually, if you said like side effect of the COVID vaccine is you might be hard for the next two days straight. you'd have lines of dudes getting the shot and then going straight to Vegas. Do you want that? Yeah, do you want? I sure don't. To have a boner for two days?

It'd be funny. Think about... Isn't that a... They tell you if it gets to four hours, you need to call it. Yeah, but think about the opportunities. It's a very serious thing. You could lose your penis that way.

So two days seems like a bit much. Yeah. I know what they should do is they should just say, they should mix a little like a floater of Cialis in there. Cialis is the long one, right? Cialis is the one that... Well, that's the... I think Viagra...

Yeah, I think Viagra you take like, right before... Cialis for daily use. Isn't Cialis for like actual erectile dysfunction? Yeah, I think so. So Cialis, you know the ones where they have

like the bathtub commercials where there's like a guy and a girl sitting in separate bathtubs overlooking like a giant valley and a hill? You never know when the time's right. Yeah, for some reason they're always in like separate bathtubs

but they should sprinkle just a floater of Cialis in the vaccine and just in the side effects when they list the side effects. when they list of side effects be like one of the side effects is it's easier to achieve erections and then people just fucking line up around the corner for it.

There's actually a ton of dudes who take like dudes my age, you take Cialis every day because it's supposed to have anti-aging benefits and testosterone boosting benefits just like who don't even have erections. It sounds like a soft confession by Billy. No, this isn't a soft confession. It was just pitched to me on bodybuilding for them. It's a semi-hard confession. It's like it's great for pumps in the gym.

Yeah. The problem with your hypothesis is that they'd have to tell you what is in the vaccine and or what its side effects are, neither of which they will do. Okay, got it. Got it. Go get your fifth one, though. They're available now. I think this is the fourth shot?

Fourth shot. I think it's, I think we're on five. You had to get two originally. You had the first shot. Then there was Omicron. Then there was Delta. Now there's just another booster for everything. This one applies to Omicron and Del. I'm pretty sure this is just the fourth.

Yes. Oh, okay. Just the fourth. 15 days to slow the spread. I'm just fact checking you. Guess what? 15 days. Shocking that the worldwide pandemic didn't go away in 14 days. That's what we were told. Kind of crazy.

So it turns out if you had alpha gal exposure, you might get a negative reaction from the vaccine. So can't get it. No, there's no negative exposure to the vaccine. No, can't. You're a conspiracy theorist. You guys are going to get the warning tag slapped on this episode again. That's fine. We're bad boys.

That's what get everyone buzzing. We're bad boys. We should say something really controversial. I think I think just saying that the vaccine will give you rock hard erections Yeah These guys are spreading misinformation What are they saying? They're saying the vaccines get you hard as fuck

You can get guys to do anything You get guys to seriously take whatever you like vitamins I mean it could get you hard as fuck if it puts you under rigor mortise That's a good point Is J.J. Watt vaccinated Good question Billy I would assume so if he's playing in the NFL. You would know if he wasn't.

T.J.? Is T.J. vaccinated? Are you saying the vaccination ruptured his pectoral muscle? Yeah. Okay. Definitely not steroids. Probably just a vaccine. It's actually pretty, seeing him crying on the podium was really sad.

Yeah. Because he saw him talking about his kids and it's like, he's just like, he's really, you know. So, you know, JJ needs, he needs. he needs to have an ablation done to his heart because he's gone into aphib and so he had it like shocked back into rhythm yeah and it's probably going to happen to him again my dad actually just had that so my dad had ablation he had an ablation done and then he had to have a second ablation it's like a very minor surgery but you probably can't play football after you have so what they do is they go back in and uh they go into your heart and they they just fucking

nuke all the bad cells that are making it miss time and beat too fast so they get rid of the bad cells and then you're fine for a while after that one of the real problems is that uh jj probably definitely for whatever reason has an enlarged heart because all the charity does okay yeah and uh all the like you know how much he loves his fan base and everything but with that you know there can be pooling and this is you know and because when one of your one of your

what's it called caverns chambers chambers gets very large people forget I know a lot about hearts yeah because you took that class yeah so then the blood can pool in those chambers that are very large if they're enlarged and then that's how you get like a clot

in the stroke yeah but that's the real I'm just going to push back on one thing I don't think that we know whether JJ has an enlarged harder not besides the charity work also someone with that much muscle like the heart is a muscle so if you do anything to grow your muscles your heart's going to grow too but you don't you can't do like weightlifting and resistance training the heart that's called cardio i don't think it necessarily makes it does that make your heart bigger if you do a lot of like distance running no not this i mean like people

who exercise more have stronger hearts and have larger hearts they're larger like the muscle the muscle is larger. I think the muscle gets more efficient. I don't know if it gets larger. I might be wrong on that. I know. We actually have no idea we're talking about. That's absolutely zero idea.

That's a great disclaimer. We should just put that at the top of every episode. Yeah, we have no. Oh, by the way. Seabiscuit had a giant heart. Yeah. It was like five times the size of a regular horse short. Actually, we shouldn't be, this is pro football docking J.J.'s heart.

I just want Jayj's a great guy about him before. You know, I want him to live long so his kids can see. He can, like, you know, live with his kids and, like, go to the Hall of Fame. And I want him to become, I want JJ to become, like, you know, one of these Sunday morning commentators so he can be in our life forever and just be a classic, like, football guy who, like brings in, like, the lasting legacy of the NFL. I want him to become, like, a Terry Bradshaw or a, or a, how long, yeah. Yeah, yeah, I want JJ's kids to be the next longs. Yeah. Next long family.

Yeah. And by that, I mean, I want JJ's son to become a giant. podhead and get and get unusual tattoos and and fucking try to steal our ideas of podcasting from waffle houses jj before we do it yeah do you think j jay wants ever smoked weed has jj smoked weed of course yeah yeah in that beanie period in wisconsin that show yeah yeah jj probably he's a pizza delivery guy right for a little bit yeah every pizza delivery guy smokes weed also i think no i think j j j like got high in his dorms his freshman year and his buddies were like watching boondock saints like yo you got to get high and watch

this movie and jj was like i don't know i got football practice pretty early tomorrow come on jj just give you a shot he's like okay but don't tell anybody he probably took two hits and then got really paranoid he's like oh my god i got to go i got to go i got to go i got i got i got to wake up so early tomorrow oh my god oh my god and they went home and called the cops on himself that sums up my college weed experience yeah um and we and that wasn't mids um so uh before we get into our main topic yeah billy what's this you're about to point at me i'm trying to do an elegant segue here okay well i have to just correct myself made some couple wrong claims on the uh nord stream pipeline okay uh turns out what it's not running currently it wasn't running when that happened

It has been shut off for a long time in the strategic importance to Russia is not current. It's not a current lifeline, but could be a lifeline in the future when they needed gas in the European winter from Germany. Let me just clear that up. Did you see the guy on Bloomberg who started to say that like the U.S. did it and they took him off the air? Yeah. I mean, Russia, it's also, it was also strategic for Russia to also do it. but you know this conspiracy podcast there's evidence that goes both ways you know i kind of honestly america should be able to blow up a pipeline and flex on everybody i like that okay it's not

a bad thing all right so billy's saying thank you thank you joe thanks joe turns out joe called up putin using the private line yeah you know the private line they talked about during the cold war that's just like back channel it's a red phone yeah the red phone where you just calls russia So you're saying Biden slid into Putin's DMs? Basically, directly. And it was like, hey, can you just blow up your own shit? Let me see a pipeline pick. Turns out like Russia was like, apparently Russia was like readying nuclear, like threatening like nukes like kind of crazily.

I won't find these specifics, but like turns out someone from the State Department like some communication for the White House to Russia. And Russia was just like, whoa, whoa, slow down, buddy. Like chill out, bro. Like, it's not that serious. For whatever was said, the White House scared the shit out of them. And they said that the U.S. needs to chill out. Okay, so we just put the fear of God into them until they blew up their own shit. Yeah.

I like that explanation. Sure. No, that had nothing to do with the pipeline. Like, they just called them up and said, yo, we're going to fuck you up. We just buzz their tower? If you use, yeah, if you use a tactical nuke, like, turns out they're like, we are going to destroy Russia. The name tactical nuke is so hilarious because it's still a nuclear weapon, but it's just somebody saying, like, it's a small. Yeah.

It's just like a minor. a minor atom bomb. It's so unnecessary. A tactical nuke is so unnecessary. Like, you could use a not nuke. Like, the mother of all bombs, I think, is less destructive or is more destructive than, like, the small tactical nuke that they talk about. Like, the mother of all bombs, if you don't remember, that's what we blew the fuck out of that underground Taliban base back when we were going real hard. Afghanistan, and, like, blew up, like, a mile underneath the bunkers. The Moab. Yeah, the Moab. The Moab.

Okay. So, I want to get into real quick, you know what, before we jump into this, fuck it, I'm on board of Christmas abs. Let's do it. Christmas abs. We're all on board. It's a thing. It's a thing.

It's officially a thing. I didn't want it to be a thing. And I'm probably not going to get them, but it's now officially a thing. Because a lot of people have been hitting me up and being like, let's do Christmas abs. Fuck it, I'm doing Christmas apps Step one, I cut out sugar There you go, belly football I cut out sugar

Sugar's gone I'm done with sugar Fuck sugar Except All my homies hate sugar Okay big T All right, here we go It was an accident though

It was I accidentally Had sugar last night What'd you have? I tried to do the right thing We're at the dozen live taping down Philadelphia Shout out Philadelphia It was a great time

Shout out Philly You can watch the episodes online probably right now, or at least one of them. And Big T, me and Fran were coming back. And we stopped at the Dunkin' Donuts because that was the only thing that was open in the Philly train station. That pretzel stand that I love so very deeply was closed down. Yeah, you told me there were elite pretzels. Great pretzels in the Philadelphia Amtrak station. And they were closed.

They were. It wasn't even that late either. That was bullshit. I agree. So we stop at the Dunkin' Donuts. and I can't get anything on the menu because it's a Dunkin' Donuts. What's on the menu? Everything has sugar, everything is, excuse me, everything has carbs.

I get a cup of black coffee, no cream. What time was it? No sugar. 9.30-ish. It's about right. I get, I start perusing the menu and there's really nothing except for snack and bacon. And the snack and bacon at Duncan is, it's a very sad meal to get because it's just a bag of bacon.

Like microwave. Not even good bacon. It's just bacon that they stick into like a piece of paper and then they hand you the paper filled with bacon. It's snacking. It's like you're buying the worst. If it was, if it was drugs, it would be the most stepped on disgusting drugs that you'd ever buy.

It was stepped on bacon. It's like wilty and it's in just this like piece of deli paper. And then I take it out of the deli paper and instantly I get hit with the smell and there's maple syrup on there. It's like maple sugar bacon. Coated in maple syrup. Like it's pooling at the bottom of this little plastic bag. How do you guys like your bacon?

I like it pretty crispy, like medium crispy, I'd say. I told PFT this last night. If I'm ordering bacon at a restaurant, I tell the waitress, I want it like a frisbee. I want to touch it on both ends and have it break. Because if you tell them extra crispy, everybody says that. They don't listen. They don't take it seriously. You have to tell them something that they'll remember.

So I tell them frisbee. That's a smart idea. I got that from my cousin You can use that You can use that tip You gotta say frisbee You can't be like a ruler Because they remember a frisbee

They probably never heard it before So you're using sciops on your servers It's smart I just want them to remember Because if you tell them extra crispy They come out with regular ass bacon And you're like what the fuck They hear extra crispy 20 times a day

Yeah, but it's big T's menu hacking But you might as well just like It could be anything if it's that burnt But no but they don't actually I mean they're not gonna Go crazy But they remember this guy wants it crispy. I like, I like it still formative of bacon. I like it hard, but I don't

like it floppy. Like I want my, exactly. Are we still talking about bacon? Yes. Okay. I like, no one like soggy bacon. Like remember some of those like, oh, here's, I have a cousin and every single time we go out to eat, she orders bacon. She requests it to be like medium, rare type cooked like Wilty. Well, I like thick bacon. Undercooked bacon. And it's the server always looks at her. It's like, are you sure? And she's like, yeah, I'm sure. I like thick bacon, but hard. Like, the reason I like thick bacon, because you get more crispy. I feel like with some of the other bacon is like you get crispy, it's just like shriveled up pieces of bacon that you can't even eat. That's like not even bacon. It's just like it's mid. Yeah, it's mid. So I, I, unfortunately,

I had to do this bacon. That's the only thing they had. I had, I only ate half the bag of it. But I'm on board Christmas abs today. I've had no sugar. I had a cup of black coffee. I've got salad coming for lunch. No dressing. So during the week, I'm going to go fucking hard on this Christmas abs thing. I'm going to have abs like you wouldn't believe come Christmas time. Six-pack. Don't show me your abs picture. I mean to get back there. You clearly... Well, everyone thinks I'm belly football, but I used to be shredded in the day.

You clearly sexted somebody with those with that app picture. I did not. It's such a Ab's sexting picture. No, it's not. Show it to the camera. No, no. Show it to the camera. Yes. That's a, that's a sexting picture. That's not a sex. Billy just showed me an out of context sexting picture. That is not true. Yes. You can't, you can't retain your sexting pictures for future use and non-sexting environments. When you're looking like this, like when you, you know, anyway, no, you used to be shredded off. The thing is, I don't want to be a fuck boy and post the photos of me when I was absolutely shredded so people take fitness advice for me because then we get totally dragged but I just need someone else to vouch for it. Okay, you used to have abs at one point.

They're going to see the results when we all have Christmas ads. Yeah, I'm going to have the best Christmas abs ever. Okay, I'm going hard on this. Are you really? Yeah, I'm actually, we're getting cut as fuck. Cut as fuck. I'm just trying to get cut like we're not even caring about strength gains. We're getting cut. We're going for low body fat. It's going to be insane. The best part about this entire thing is I might just abort Christmas abs Thanksgiving. Because you can't just only turkey. Your body is probably at its best. What like if you look around, if you look around society in the United States, when are we at our most healthy?

What day, like what month of the year? Summer. You think before summer? Because you're doing the most activities during summer. I think March. I don't know. I think March or April. You're still coming out of hibernation.

Or April, because you're getting ready for the summer. Actually, this is a great idea that we're going hard during the holidays because I think it's Memorial Day weekend. I think it's Memorial Day weekend. That's when you're at your fittest. Yeah. And it's because you just, if you just drink beer all summer. No, but you're still, you're still burning more.

Like I have a, I have a loop band. I've been tracking my activity for the past two years. And you're always burning more calories during the summer because you're always doing more stuff. Well, it's also because you're outside more. Outside more and sweating more. Yeah. But you're also, during the summer, that's, you also eat like shit. And drink a lot more. Yeah, I drink a lot this summer. Yeah, but you're still outside when you're playing, when you're drinking during the winter, you're like, you know, like Russians with vodka in the cold winter. Are you, are you like insinuating that like we're doing a photosynthesis thing with the sun?

I think you. I think there's some vitamin D benefits. But like, for example, you're at a dart. You're running around you're playing games you're playing die you're arian quick question for you when um actually let's start with this how do you like your bacon uh not like black but like you know in the middle like facts mm-hmm hard but not floppy i don't mind floppy bacon but i prefer it a little crispy i like a crunch but i don't like i don't like a burnt because we're talking about getting on the on the Christmas abs train. I think I'm officially fully in on Christmas abs. You could absolutely have baking in your diet.

Yeah. I had bacon last night, but it was covered in like maple syrup and shit. That might not be the best. Yeah, it wasn't my call though. That's the only style that they had at Dunkin' Donuts. That's the only thing on the menu that I thought I could have.

I did not realize it would be covered in sugar. But I'm trying. I'm trying. I haven't had any real sugar in like a day, like a full day. What I'm talking about? Let's do it. Last night, we were getting ready for the trivia show and they brought in this some spread of pizza there's

like four pizzas there was a bunch of unhealthy stuff i had a salad i had a salad last night so i love it i love it i mean just imagine no if you discipline yourself you turn to like pft the sex symbol you know what i'm not i'm not a sex symbol right now not right now i know you're a little fluffy i'm fluffy i'm cuddly yeah that's the thing i'm cuddly some people like cuddles I love cuddles I got a question for you because we had some bad news that broke yesterday kind of overnight

into this morning somebody that you're kind of intimately involved with your careers Blake Bortles retired from the NFL so he walked away from the game on top and he said

I'm not coming back and I know you played against him you guys were fierce competitors for a while Texans Jaguars games They were always appointment television. What's your biggest Blake Bortle's memory? Oh, man. I mean, not to disrespect him.

I just don't have that many memories of Blake Bortles. You know, I was on offense, so I didn't really see him that much. But I just remember him being number five. Yeah, respect. Defining legacy. Respect. Number five, the number five. You know what I don't get about Blake Borders is how did he become, like, the meme for, like, I don't know, people to make fun of quarterbacks.

But he's like, he's like the quarterback that everybody roots for being good, but he's not good. And it doesn't matter how bad he is. Like, he's good. I don't know if that's a fair way to characterize it. He, uh, the man has the third highest yards per carry average of all time for any quarterback. Did you know that? Michael Vick. Yeah, point taken.

Like Michael, it's Michael Vick than some guy from like 1950 and then Blake Bordell's number three, more than Lamar Jackson. Does he reach the minimum carry? Yes, he does. Yes, he does. Yes, he does. He had 250 carries?

Yes, he did. He said, thanks for asking. Number three of all time. That's Blake Bortles. And Blake Bortles, until the day that I die, I will say the NFL fucked Blake Bortles. The NFL-I'm listening. Confidence me. They fucked him over.

the biggest case of highway robbery I've ever seen in my life in a football game I've never seen you this serious please go I'm wearing my Blake Portals jersey right now and I'm pumped up Oh that's what it is Yeah I think I might be the only person in the world Actually that owns a Blake Bortle's Packers jersey

He was on the practice squad for like three weeks So in 2017 No 2018 It was in 2017 2017 2018 Blake Bortals Defeated Ben Rothesberg in the playoffs, I think it was 45 to 42, Jaguars advance, they move on to play against the mighty New England Patriots in Foxborough, Massachusetts. Tom Brady, at home, Foxborough, I think it was like

negative three degrees. It was a classic New England day. Blake Bortles goes up there. Blake Bortles beats Tom Brady and the New England Patriots in Foxborough. It's 20 to 10 in the fourth quarter. I think there's 10 minutes. minutes left. Miles Jack forces a fumble, picks it up, runs it back for a touchdown. Refes blow the play dead because they say Miles Jack was down. He was not down. Upon further review, he was not down at all. But guess what? They blew the whistle. They can't retroactively go back and say, okay, we're going to let him return this fumble for a touchdown. The Jaguars would have gone up 27 to 10. They would have gone to the Super Bowl. They beat the New England Patriots in the

a-fc championship game in New England, they would have gone to the Super Bowl where the Jaguars had the best defense in the league that year. That defense was no fluke. They would have played against Nick Foles and the Philadelphia Eagles in the Super Bowl. They would have beaten the Philadelphia Eagles in the Super Bowl. Blake Bortles would have been a Super Bowl champion quarterback. That's what Blake should have been. But Roger Goodell was like, no, no, no. I can't have my golden, the golden Goose, Tom Brady, I can't have him not make the Super Bowl. We've already got Nick Foles in the Super Bowl. We need a superstar. He knew going into that game, because I believe in the NFC, it was going to be Case Keenham against Nick Foles in that championship game.

Goodell knew that he needed a superstar quarterback from the other team if he wanted ratings. So he put his finger on the scale. Miles Jack wasn't down. Blake Bordle should have been in the Super Bowl. He should have won the Super Bowl. And his career would be told. talked about in a manner much more befitting of how it should be talked about respectfully. So that's how the NFL fucked Blake Vortals. You are so passionate about that. I respect it, man. What year was that?

I think it was 2017, 2018. I'm trying to remember sometimes because the playoffs, you know, they start in the next year. That gets confusing for me. I'm just going to Google right now Patriots, Jaguars, AFC Championship. I have no recollection because I retired 2016 and so I didn't watch football for like two years. I don't watch any football

so like absolutely I'm like yo the Jaguars was in the AFC championship yep it was it was January 21st 2018 and the Jaguars legitimately had a great defense that year like they were

they were ferocious actually I'll tell you what Dante Fowler was just consistently they were probably my least favorite team to play consistently they always I'm talking about They always had a really, even like when Jack DeRio was there,

always had a really stout defense, very good interior defensive linemen. The linebackers were always coming down here. I used to hate going against Jacks, but now I'm thinking about it. It's because they practice against Blake Bordles every day. That's 100% correct. Iron sharpens iron, right? I used to follow that Blake Bortles account, the parody. Yep.

He would just list off like Blake Bortle's stats. It should be so funny. also Blake was he was a good friend of ours or he still is a good friend of ours but he was right at the beginning on part of my take he was one of our first guests and he was always fun to talk to and we loved him he loved us and we kind of our relationship developed uh on the podcast with him over the years and he's just like the coolest guy he's just a normal guy to hang out with and you could say Blake Borough's jump started pardon my take you could you could absolutely say that there's a few different people that I would say in the first six months apart of my take that really made the wheels start to turn on it and build it into the podcast that it became. So Blake Bortles is absolutely right at the top of that list. And he's also, yeah, we joke around a little bit about him sometimes

because he was never a superstar. He was never out there throwing, well, he did throw five touchdowns in the game one time, but he was never throwing six touchdowns in the game. And, you know, people like to clown on him. But at the end of the day, he was just like a normal guy that was very, very good at football. And I think that's why we liked him so much. That's most guys, by the way.

Yeah, it's true. Like sometimes we do put NFL players on a pedestal sometimes. It's like they're just regular people. Regular dudes that can run fast, jump high, throw, catch. Except for Tom Brady. He's not a, he's a weirdo. Aaron, I actually saw a video recently. It was, you were featured in it, but it was Brian Cushing's,

miced up uh i think it was against the browns uh he was miced up and that was the game that he had butted a guy without a helmet on and he was bleeding out of his face can i can i just like ask what what was it like like when that happened you remember it happening and when he was running around the sideline just saying crazy shit and crazy was kind of like oh yeah that's just like brian being brian or or was there like was anyone concerned or was it just like no that's just state of day. No, Cush was like,

I used to fuck with him because like Cush was way funnier than what he marketed himself to be. Like he's actually a very intelligent, funny cat, but like he marketed himself to be like

kind of stiff. I don't know. I never understood it. And like, he was like a little, um, eccentric as far as like his pregame stuff and he was like,

you know, the crazy white guy stick. He had that a little bit, but he was like a very funny, like, hilarious cat. And I was like, yo, if you ever marketed yourself like this, you can capitalize off it. But he just never did.

But it was, he was the normal dude, actually. He wasn't as, he wasn't as crazy as that shit. I mean, that shit was, I don't know what the fuck that was. I never really asked him about it. I'm like, you never. You just don't ask. This man's bleeding out of his face and you headbutted a dude without his helmet. And you were just like, yeah.

Yeah, we just. I don't think he head butted him. I think he was just like trying to get in his face. And he didn't think buddy was going to go full. because he had a helmet on and he didn't and I just think he was he just didn't back down which is not the smartest thing in the world but geez yeah so RIP Blake I'm glad that you had so many fond memories of playing against the Marion that's that's touching to hear yeah I mean we weren't like super good all throughout his career too so I can't

I can't knock it but you know I also remember they had them ugly as helmets, too. The black mixed with that gold. Those were probably the worst uniforms in the NFL's history. Sports. They were pretty bad. I mean, worse than their color rush?

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well just their uniforms in general but the thing is they're so bad they're older ones like with uh early or late days of fred taylor early days and maurice jones drew like them shith i love them mark brunel them shit was fire yeah i think the um the color rush ones

i think blake said those are the ugliest jerseys in sports i think he one time said that and then his marketing team was like yeah for the jaguars they're like hey blake can you i'm trying to sell some merchandise here can you not can you not say that out loud yeah I'm looking that those are those are dog shit

oh wow like I don't know why you would go with those colors you have a beautiful color in teal and black like work off of that like why make that a fuck

did they reduce it was when it was when Nike took over the NFL contract and they tried to get like wacky with some of them that ain't it yeah they really they really stepped out

so Christmas abs is a thing I would like wait about I was thinking about this yesterday. What about liposuction? Is that still a thing? Are people still getting liposuction? I've been thinking about liposuction. How much is liposuction cost? A couple thousand. Like 2,000? I think it depends on where you get it is liposuction. They suck the fat out of you. You know what I found out? You can tell when you

get lipo though. Like if you look at someone who has liposuction, you can tell. How? It just doesn't look quite, it doesn't quite look natural. I'll send you, I'm going to, I have a TikToker in mind right now who got liposuction. Um, nothing wrong with it, but you can kind of tell. Like, it doesn't look completely natural. I found out that there's, like, this procedure where they take all the fat from your stomach and waist area and put it in your ass. I heard about that.

Yeah. Was it BBL? Yeah. Wait, are you just hearing about BBL? Yeah. I mean, I didn't know. I thought it was, like, I didn't know they were moving it. Yeah.

I thought they were like, it was implants, like, lipo and implants. I didn't know they were actually like, oh, let's just take this and put it there. No, because it's not like a boob job where they're putting like silicone. Yeah. They're literally taking fat and redistributing it. Yeah. And then you can't sit for like three weeks. This is kind of lit.

I haven't really looked at label section before. So they just, they just suck the fat out. Yeah, they suck the fat out. I mean, I want it so bad. Who's going to do it for Christmas apps? PFC, I would go. I don't hate it, man. I'm just saying, I don't hate it.

What are the cars? There's got to be some cons. I think the consequence is that your fat cells can't maintain since you're basically they're taking out fat cells, which is supposed to feed your muscles, feed your organs to, like, function since you're taking them away, like, you're just not going to have the same body functioning. Like, you're going to get probably lethargic easier because those are fat cells you were born with.

Because everyone's born with fat cells. Hold me look up the cons of like this. They're not taking away all your fat. Just like targeted areas, right? Yeah, they can target areas. It's not like when you work out. If you work out, you have to burn fat all across your body, right? You can't target, you can't lose.

There's no such thing. You can't lose fat in like a specific area. Yeah. Like doing abs doesn't make you your stomach. Like it does build, you're not going to lose weight doing abs on your stomach just because you're doing it on your abs. Okay, so disadvantages of liposuction include contour irregularities, which I don't really know what that means. You get lumpy.

Your skin may appear bumpy, wavy, or withered due to uneven fat removal, poor skin elasticity, unusual healing, results affected by future pregnancy, weight gain, and aging. You don't have to worry about that. Must commit to a healthy lifestyle for treatment, which we will. Yeah, they don't. Which we will. I think they won't do the procedure on somebody if they're going to just gain all the weight back.

Yeah, it says you may need to lose weight before surgery. Like if you're a woman getting a breast reduction, they usually ask you to lose weight before to make sure it's not just because you have excess weight. Because if you're a girl, your boobs can vary in size. Yeah, I don't think this is like a quick fix for like really, really, like a lot of fat. Yeah, a lot of fat.

I think it's just, basically this is what sounds like if you're right on the break of Christmas abs, this is just push you over this. Yeah, that's what sounds like, I'm just saying.

That's what sounds like. All bodies are beautiful. So a lot of, you can also die from the procedure. Yeah. I mean, you can die from an appendectomy. You can die from anything.

Stomach stapleing. What's that? I don't need to stomachs where they staple. It's where they staple your stomach so you get full faster. Or like, I mean, that's like what a gastric bypass.

I mean, gas your bypasses and stomach stapling, but they, like, just make your stomach smaller. So a lot of, uh, so the reason why a lot of like bodybuilders, when they go off gear besides the hormonal imbalance is they get super fat is that HGH increases, not only does it build up your muscle, but it builds up your fat cells as well. So, um, you have more fat cells just like you have more muscle cells after you're done, uh, using it. But then because of the hormone irregularities, your fat cells blow up and your muscle cells don't

and then you just get fat. So when how when like bodybuilders stop bodybuilding they just kind of become big people? Yeah. Like have you ever seen, have you ever heard that like myth that like muscle just turns to fat? Why would I bulk up and get big muscle just going to turn to fat? It's like no.

Yeah. It's weird. Tell them Billy. No, I just need to. I don't know. I don't kind of end on this lipos stuff. Are you about to get liposuction? We're all going to get liposcent.

It sounds way easier. You're about to get a BBL. I'm not going to put it I'm not going to put the fat anywhere I put it in a jar I'll send you my fat Billy so you shouldn't eat it Get healthy fat That's like that scene from fight glove Or they take the fat

I haven't seen fight club You've never seen fight club Will they take the fat turn into soap I would do lipo though You can get lightbo on your chin too And just have like a chisel jaw line No, I see that's that's To me that's where it starts getting wild

I just feel like if you've got some like around the midsection Or if women I don't know why you'd want to lose some on the thighs or the back But if you were But if you want to take a little off It sounds like trimming Sounds like human trimming It is like human trimming

It does It's the easy way out for sure But I'm not above taking that easy way Yeah but I'm not either I'm gonna look a little deeper into this There's much better I'm a little quicker this year Thanksgiving to have a question

I mean what do you think takes more what you think takes more time off your lifespan? Getting lipo or maybe like running a low grade like El carnitine or weight loss type shot injection. I don't know what the second one is. That one sounds way worse actually. No, no, a little bit of a like a peptide or something just like to kickstart your hormones and like actually make you lose the weight.

I don't think. Yeah, that sounds. Do you have chemicals you can give me? You don't want any of these chemicals. But I don't think Lipo, I mean, if done well, I don't think it takes years off of your life. Well, probably. Takes numbers off the skin. Why

would that take years off your life? Well, think about you undergoing a major surgery that's going to shock your system. That's not major. It's like a procedure. Yeah, they suck fat out of you. That's not major? That's just minor. That's like laparoscopic surgery to you guys. That's definitely minor. It's not major. You don't have major scars from it or anything.

You think it's worse than getting... Do they put you under? Are you under anesthesia? No, they suck it out while you're looking at it. They could numb you. No, it's an anesthetic surgery. It is? Oh, shit.

It's... Aaron, have you ever had a meniscus done? I've had six of them, my brother. Yeah, I assumed. Like, that is way more minor than getting fat sucked out of you. Ain't no fucking way. People are getting mad enough of them. A meniscus surgery is just a little snip, snip,

like this is... Little snit, bro, the recovery time depending on which one you have is fucking vastly different. One is like, I've had both. One is like a week and a half, maybe two weeks, and the other one is like almost two months. Yes, I mean the interior meniscus.

I was lucky I only ripped out the X, the one that's like outside, not inside. Focus, focus, focus. What? Interior? We're talking about the juxtaposition between a meniscus series. versus the liposuction.

What's the recovery time for liposuction? I think there's no recovery time. No, you can't play sports after getting liposuction. Okay, hold on. Hold on. I genuinely don't know. It's liposuction.

I don't think this is a major surgery, though. You can return normal activities after two weeks. Also, if we don't want to, if we don't want to go under the knife, we could do cool sculpting. That, I don't know if that works. Does that work?

I don't know. We honestly, we just need to sit in a soft. for 30 minutes every day and we'll definitely lose weight. I don't think that's going to work. That's water weight though. Yeah. It can be both.

It can be minor or major depending on how much fat is removed. Four weeks before assuming strain your exercise. Liposuction contact sports. I think I'm losing a ton of water weight right now because I started taking a new prescription and I've been sweating way more recently. I had a buddy who once ran this methlamine that was what they gave the Russian soldiers in World War II to stay warm but it just makes you burn a shit ton of calories

I think isn't that just sweating all the time wait let me let me look up what it is yeah but I'm taking it like a pill that's like a diuretic and so now I think be careful with the with the stuff that makes your heart rate increase yeah actually does the diuretic make my heart rate I had someone faint and have to go to the hospital

after drinking a Celsius Celsius I'm not tea I'm not drinking Celsius Celsius is dangerous Celsius is dangerous but I don't drink it on a normal basis. I can't believe they're pawning that off because it's a fat burner but they pawn it off it's like a pre-workout. Just bad. If I drink it, I drink it like during a workout

sometimes. What the, that's how you like that's how you have a seizure? I don't, you drink, you drink Celsius while you work out? Sometimes. These facts have not been checked by Billy football. Yeah, you guys. That Celsius will give you a seizure if you drink it while you work out. I have enough, I've seen enough stuff on TikTok. Okay. See, here we go, Billy. I don't care what the study says.

That's big pharma. That's a red... I see things with my own eyes and ears. That's a red flag, Lily. Whenever you start to justify saying something by saying, uh,

I've seen enough stuff on TikTok as your research. Yeah, but honestly, that's when you need to just stop whatever sentence that is. When people are like, I used to drink two Celsius a day for two years and then I had a seizure. Like,

I think when he says, has that been studied in a clinical environment? I think when he says he's seen enough on TikTok, like six TikToks equals one academic. peer research study. Yeah, what's the conversion? So if you see enough TikToks, it's the same. I mean,

Billy, you know what happens is like somebody will say that on TikTok, it'll go viral and then somebody be like, oh shit, that's a good way to get views. I'm going to say that too. And then it becomes a trend and then more people just say it

because they're seeing other people get views by saying it. That's how it works. No. Yeah, that's literally why you came to me yesterday and you said, hey, can you say into the camera? I want to kill my mom. I want to kill my dad.

I want to kill my grandma. And I was like, wait, why? And you said this is a TikTok trend. It is. I can confirm that. It's a TikTok trend. And so if you just say this, it'll get a bunch of views. You are, like, you are a walking, breathing algorithm right now.

And you're, I refuse to see. You're like a computer that has, it's been self-optimized so many times. It doesn't, but it still lacks the awareness. Thank you for a roundabout way. saying I'm good at my job. That's exactly what I was saying. No, but seriously, it's like many people have commented on Celsius being, because it has, it's not just a, not only on TikTok, I did some, I was going to write a blog on it, but then, uh, I was bad at my job and got lazy. Uh, that was, that was, that was refreshingly honest. No, I just got swamps. It's football season. No, see, now you're,

now you're lying about being honest. Uh, so there's actually like tons of people who, like, like someone I know drank Celsius. And then. you have to, like, wear the heart marker. And then, like, pass out. I'm not, I'm not recommending this. And I'm not saying it's a good thing. But I have done it a couple times. If I do back-to-back spin classes, keep me energized.

I think, I think it's just time that I shock my body. And I do something different with my body because I've, I've had the same fitness routine for a while. Maybe I get back on the Peloton. I'm spinning. Do you want to spin together? Is it on the Peloton? I don't go to, I go to class. The nice thing about the Peloton is it's in my living room.

Yeah. So I can just do it whenever. squat rack in my kitchen. Cool. That's way cooler. I think I'm going to get back on this Peloton. I think maybe buns of anarchy might write again soon. We'll see.

So DNP is the compound we could do. I'll do. Billy, I'm willing to invest in chemicals with you for Christmas apps. Dynitrophinol. The dangerous diet pill pharmacists should know about this is definitely more dangerous than Celsius. Yeah. Let's just not do any chemicals. Let's just do.

Good old-fashioned, rocky. Waiting logs running the snow against the Russians. Do it. Let's train to beat the Russians. Christmas Labs. That's our new. Christmas abs trading to beat the Russians. There's no Christmas in Russia.

Santa doesn't visit commies. In retrospect, in retrospect, wasn't it the easiest bet of all time to bet on Russia to make it out of the group stage when the World Cup? was being held in Russia? Well, yeah. I mean, it was a no-brainer. And I'm pretty sure it hit. I'm saying, I'm thinking to myself that,

wait, there might be a possibility he didn't hit. I'm exposing myself as a casual, but I'm pretty sure Russia went pretty far on that world. I don't remember anything about that World Cup because the only nation that matters wasn't in it. Italy. They were in it. In 2018?

Are you talking about the United States of America? I am talking about America. Did Italy miss that one, too? I don't think Italy was in 2018. I guess I'm thinking they were in the euros and won it. Yeah, yeah. Is Italy washed? Have they missed back to back?

Oh, that's right. Russia made it. It looks like Russia made it to the quarterfinals. That's right. They lost it Croatia. They made it pretty far. Huh, they weren't doping. Italy, well, I was saying like Russia was definitely going to make it out of group stage in Russia

because I think Putin would have the referees killed. Yeah. And they rigged the entire thing to make it in Russia to begin with. But, yeah, Italy is a lot of people don't realize. that I actually know that Italy isn't in the World Cup it's kind of like my thing that I've going and every time I predict Italy will win the World Cup in 2022 I get like a whole new group of people mad at me

for saying it so I'm going to pretend I didn't hear that big team literally zero percent chance they lose the World Cup yep no chance zero that they don't win I think they're they're not going to lose a match does is it an auto bid isn't an auto bid for the host country it is so Qatar is competing

yes are they are they beat they're great let's see Qatar FIFA ranking No they're really bad Qatar FIFA ranking oh they're 48

that's not bad who's playing for them nobody that you know isn't Qatar one of those places that's like most of the population is guest workers you can call them guests

that's an interesting way to phrase it who's been giving you your information Billy what guest workers I think that's like a term they use Is it?

I'm sure it is You can also say slaves Because the alternative term is bad I just know that There's a German word called Gestenbiten And that tends to people who travel there to work But then go back to their

Guestin Oh Yeah I know that they're definitely slaves Yeah All right No mind Yep Hundreds of them died

building these stadiums if not more yeah probably it could very well be more i've heard reports that have it like well into the thousands i'm sure so um that was talking i was talking guitar building stadiums that'll never be used again for a world cup that we have to play in november because it's still 90 degrees there yep it seems like somebody's making some money off this how's the um how's the live tour doing? It's a good question. I haven't heard from them in a minute. Yeah, so they kind of, they kind of fell off a little bit because they needed the PGA tour to be going on to drum up most of their headlines because every week on the PGA tour, they'd ask the players, are you planning on joining? What do you think of the live tour? And that's how it got in the news more frequently.

But now since it's the offseason for golf, they're not making any headlines because nobody's asking the PGA tour players for comments on the LivTor. So it's almost like they need the PGA tour to be their marketing machine. Interesting. Yeah. Apparently, if this league just dissipates and they just ended up paying all that the money, that would be sort of come up. You just basically took a season off the PGA and got a hundred M's.

That's so far. Yeah. I know literally nothing about this. I just search LivTor on Twitter. There's some ongoing thing today. It looks like with the OWGR. I don't know what that is, but they're, I guess

the Live Tour is close to like being able to count towards world ranking points. It looks like. Okay. So I guess that's good for them. Who determines that? It looks like this OWGR, which I'm assuming is some sort of world governing body

for golf. Official world golf ranking. Yeah. So I guess if they get them to sign off on it, then like wins on the Live Tour will count. towards your ranking in the world just like the PGA will. I'm trying to figure out what type of skill I might have that, you know, like a hostile government that has tons of money would hand me a bag for. Ruining podcasts. You could volunteer to be a guinea pig for something.

Yeah. Yeah, Billy, let's, that's a good question. I'm joking. I'm joking. I love Billy. Do you want to go work for a foreign government? No, I mean, just like those guys getting a bag for golf is pretty sick. Yeah, I mean, I...

Golf's hard. I would, uh, I would plan the live tour. They offered me $100 million. Was Qatar paying like engineers? Like, I think guitar was paying engineers like huge money to come build stadiums. They were because it's like physically impossible for that for them to create these stadiums without slave labor. That's not even a question. And so somebody's making money off of this.

Also, how did they built these stadiums specifically for this? How did they not have roofs? That's another great question. I saw a TikTok showing the stadiums. They're all open-air stadiums. Where are the roofs? We could, now that I'm thinking about it, this is the dumbest shit. We could have had the World Cup in the summer if they'd just put roofs on them.

Am I, am I crazy? The head of guitar is like, the roof is open. No, you're right. If they'd made domes. Am I crazy? Yeah, that's a good point. I guess the thinking is you don't want to play soccer on turf, but there are domes that have natural grass stadiums or natural grass fields.

I can think of two in the NFL right now. Las Vegas. Yeah, and Arizona. Cardinals, yeah. It's a great point, Big T. Nobody can consider a roof. Arizona is my second favorite field. Yeah, is it like super soft?

I loved it. Oh, it's such good. grass. What was number one? Denver. Why is that? The grass was so good. It just, the grass, just the turf at the time was so good.

I don't know what it is now. And also, that was the most, that was the biggest or the closest feel to like an SEC stadium. Like when it's rocking, that was like, I was like, oh shit, this shit feels like college. Did you ever have any problems with the. field at at UT because opposing fans

for a long time have complained that like that field sucks and players get injured no which mostly just comes from Marcus Latimore

tore up his knee there and then Nick Chubb had his leg like turned backwards I think those were just like fluke things and I think it was always good to me

the grass is a little thick but it wasn't anything crazy to what to my knowledge Now, Houston's field was fucking awful when I first got there. They, like, wheeled in, like, two by two squares of grass. It was just the worst.

And so there was, like, divvets and holes. It was the absolute worst. I couldn't believe it was in NFL's debut. Oh, somebody, who was it? One of them white receivers from New England tore up his knee and sued Houston. and one oh west welker i think it was there you go did he really yeah or was it julian edelman someone got tackled from behind i remember

no no he didn't get tackled i think he just planned it because literally like i think it was west woker yeah squares it might have been him but they would like wheel in squares and like there was like holes and and there was it was just the worst it was the absolute worst i've actually i googled this several players have sued the texans uh former texans punter Matt Turk Yeah, Matt Turk Yeah

Yeah, this guy sued the Texans For an injury He just, yep, he just planted in that shit Yeah, it was a bad field Oh, Brett Hartman I don't know what that is I think he played with you His sued for injury

sustained during a December 2011 game That's right, I think he was like a special team's player He's a punner Yeah And then this also says Demiko Ryan's sued the NFL and the Texans over a 2014

injury at NRG Stadium. Wow. Yeah, yeah, because he he tore his ACL shit. Seeking more than 10 million in damages because an Achilles tendon injury he suffered due to the playing surface at NRG Stadium.

So it seems like these players have a case if they're all suing. MetLife also. It's terrible turf. That's average. What about FedEx Field? Landover.

Which one is that? The commanders. Oh. I remember it being a little thick, but it was fine. You probably played there early on in the season, because as the season goes on, it gets worse. At the end of years, they used to just like, they used to spray paint like green on.

to the sand to make it look like to grass yeah it was game two it was game two and it wasn't it was a bad the one that was shit like at the latter part of the year was Chicago that shit was horrible it was just really bad really bad field and then I think that the other one is obvious this is before um it's when it was Oakland but Oakland shit where it was splendid with the uh the baseball like bro come on but we were they playing all dirt like the fuck it shit was the worst though yeah that's It's funny that it used to be like Oakland, Miami. They would double as baseball fields. It's crazy.

Crazy thing. As much money as the NFL brings in as recently as like, what, five years ago? They used to play on baseball fields sometimes. Big T. What you got? What you got? Congratulations on the Atlanta Braves winning the NL East. Fifth straight year.

Fifth straight. That's crazy. I didn't realize that. MLB record 22nd division title well yeah I mean I think he had what 12 in a row 14 14 in a row back in L west and east that's right that's weird yeah when my uncles were kids like all the games were at 10 p.m. because all the road games because they were in the NL West that's bizarre yeah what's weirder the Braves being in the NL West or the Cardinals being in the NL East I mean the Cardinals are way closer to the east than the Braves are to the West no I mean

the, sorry, the Arizona card was being in the NFC East. When was that? They were for a long time, long time. I mean, yeah, both of those are about, but yeah, the Braves, like all their road games were Dodgers, Giants, Rockies. So congratulations. Give me your official Big T playoff preview. Then we'll get into D.C. sniper stuff.

I mean, if we get Spencer Strider back before the NLDS, I think we're going back to back. we just we got that swagger back back to back we just might be those motherfuckers again back to back so who's your biggest competition I mean Dodgers

same as every year yeah the Dodgers I just don't want to be the Dodgers again I'm also slightly concerned about Cardinals devil magic in October again especially now that they're

on a Pooholz Wayne Wright Malina farewell tour so I'm I'm kind of rooting for the Phillies here in this, this weekend. But the Braves actually have a much better path as the two-seed than the Dodgers do. They have to play presumably the Mets in the division series. So we'll see.

I'm excited. It was fun to win. Winning this division feels almost as good, if not as good as winning the World Series. Wow. Because. You're only saying that, though, because you won the World Series last year. What do you mean? You would never say that it felt almost as good as winning a World Series

if you hadn't just won your World Series. Yeah, probably. But like the World Series was like a magical one-month run that I wouldn't trade for anything. But I've been praying on the Mets downfall for six months. And to see it happen was fantastic. Was it, did you get more pleasure out of watching that or out of watching the brave surge? What do you mean? I mean, the Mets never played that poorly.

We just played out of our minds. Like, they, I think they have the fourth best record in baseball since June 1st, and we have the best. We're like 77 and 38 or something. So the Braves just like, I mean, obviously those last three games, I guess you would call that a collapse because they only needed to win one of them. Yeah. And they didn't. But yeah, I mean, we're a great ball club. Great ball club.

I just I like seeing Big T happy Big W CBT dub All right So you guys want to get into some sniper stuff or Aaron Is there anything else you want to get into I'm pretty positive That by the end of the weekend

I will be reaching Diamond Invalon Wow Just saying Can I Were you Playing Val? or sleeping that you were

late to the show? I was actually taking a boo-boo, man. It was 30 minutes. How long do you take? Five to ten? I mean, I can't, you know. And ten is if I'm like really on my phone

just dicking around. I can't dictate how much shit comes out, man. I don't know what you would say. I sit on a toilet until I'm done, man I'm not going to be trying to fuck you over time wise Big T. No, I mean, I know I've just I've just never heard of 30. What? That's it is normal for me.

A 30 minute boo-boo is That's a big one. I'm not saying, I'm not saying I've never done it before and Billy likes to call me a poop guy. Billy, where does a 30-minute shit rank on your poop guy moves? I mean, the thing is you're allowed to take a 30-minute shit just like when you have the time,

not just obnoxiously like right before recording like when you get home from work i've never taken a 30 minute shit that's the latest that no but like if you're just it's like if you wake up in the morning you're drinking your pre-work out and you got time take a 30 minute shit do whatever you want like i got i got in today i got in today 9 o'clock i first night i was drink coffee and then i just you know i had time did my business didn't didn't like didn't uh hurt anybody else's time and yeah Billy sounds pressed about this He does

Yeah you're a little present Are you gonna get off your chest family No I mean just PFT is a poop guy He what is he poops at inopportune times I don't know if I'm a poop guy I pooped I pooped one time in a five guys Because I had to shit There's been several when we're on the road

Look it's okay Whatever You can't dictate that kind of stuff When you gotta go you got to go That's what I'm saying It's like like I don't understand like I know people especially like women in general Like, they'll go to the bathroom.

It'll be like three minutes. And I'm like, yo, what? Yeah, yeah. Doing. I don't understand that shit. Like, I literally sit down and I got stuff coming out of me for 30 minutes. Like, it's not constant, but like, it'll stop. And then, you know, a minute or two later, something else comes out.

I just keep coming. I don't know what, what can I do to change that? I have stuff in me and it wants to come out and I sit there until it's done. I don't make the rules. It's 10 times worse for you to hold in your poop rather than, you. just like let it be. Agreed. Is that really bad for you?

Yeah, it's really bad for you. Why? Because it's toxins in your body that you need to rig. You guys have bad bowel discipline. That's what I'm chalking it up to. I mean, look. Billy looks at his, at his butthole like an offensive line on a hard count.

It's like you got to be able to just to focus. It's like my butthole doesn't focus hard enough. You got no when to fold them, no one to hold him, no one to walk away. No one's run. No, but it's really bad for your body because it holds their toxins in longer than it needs to be. There's a reason when you poop,

you got to poop. Not that I would know, girls don't poop, but. I used to get a lot of, when I was taking creatine monohydrate, you used to get a lot of bad shit. So I understand what you're saying, but creatine HCL on the other hand

doesn't give you those digestive problems. Huh, where can they get that? Oh, so there's this, oh, actually the creatine. I'm taking concrete. Concrete is an amazing brand of creatine. I mean, it's creatine HCL doesn't give you digestive problems, doesn't make you bulk, doesn't give you the water weight that creatine monohydrate does. It's actually one of the best supplements I currently take.

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If anybody out there, I know somebody at Barstall listens to these ad reads because we won ad read of the week last week for a shady raise ad read. So they just announced the world's best 50 bars. the world's best 50 bars

as ranked by Condi Nass Traveler I'm going to I'm going to look at the list real quick there are I mean there's a lot from the United States we're fucking killing it good shit all right

whoever wrote whoever wrote this list obviously lives in the West Village New York obviously wait can you send me the list is it the world's 50 best bars dot com so there's a West Village bar on there there are three

three somehow three of the world's okay so let me guess in the entire world down the hatch village tavern if down the hatch is all that thieves bivar my guesses are red lion red light all these people who

wokeies down the hatch village tavern have you guys ever read like a condy nast list before you guys are naming like sports bars and shit I don't know I'm I don't go to Condonast bars, but I'm trying to think what West Village. There's no bars from Hoboken, which has the most bars per captain in the United States, then this list is rigged. This is quality over quantity.

Oh, do y'all remember? And I don't even know. No, this wasn't even in the vlog, but do you all remember the quality of drinks at the Tennessean? Yes. Yeah, they were good. Those were some of the best drinks I've ever had. Like they smoked the old fashions. And they had, this is how you know

you have a really good bar and really good like what they call baristas. Partenders. But there's difference. There's just like, there's like bartenors. And there's people who shave the insides of a lime or an orange off into your drink to give it that little extra genesequa with it, right? Mixologist.

This is how you can tell. If they had mixologists, there you go. They have circular ice cubes like that. have that. It's a very high quality drinks you drink. It's spherical. Those spherical ice cubes with the whiskey with whiskey are killer. Yep. I like those. I like those too.

Have you ever seen like the thing that you put in your freezer to make those? It's like a... It looks like a rubber ball. It looks like what, Billy? Looks like a bra. Then you like fold it over. Yeah, it does kind of look like a bra. You got nervous about the word bra. I love that.

It was such a cool spot too because it had like a nice couch there were TVs in there overall just a sick bar so yeah it's a good bar so what are you guys favorite bars in the world down the hatch that's number one i guess i'm more of an atlanta guy than you are big t because i'm going to say the north side tavern in atlanta georgia got i've never been there fantastic spot i'm going to keep my favorite bars to myself because i don't want people to know i go there because then i'll get bothered one is the west village one peculiar pub best bar in the West Village. A-Lis, Billy said, I'll get

bothered if I give out my favorite bars. And Brick Street Barrego. You hear that, hear that Macrodotians? Billy, you bother Billy. Stop bothering Billy. What are the bars that are on there in the West Village? The bars that are on there in the West Village

are employees only. Never heard of it. It's on Hudson Street. Been there. I've been there as well. Is Hudson Hound going to be on there? Hudson Hound is not on here. Oh, I do like it. employees only is on the list Dante

also in the West Village I don't think that's a bar I don't think that's a bar It's a bar slash restaurant It's very good I go there I've been there a few times That's like a nice restaurant

Yeah I yeah you're right I wouldn't consider that That's like a bar necessarily And then the third one Is Katana Kitten Never heard of that either It's a pretty good place But again it's a restaurant

Yeah It's not a bar It's very interesting You said in the world Yeah If anyone's ever been to Moonbar Rooftop in St. Martin, the place is unbelievable. It's like right on the water. It's insane.

But in New York, Mustang Harry's, shout out the Rangers. It's right down the street. It's a great bar. It's a great bar. Yeah. Actually, Billy's next to Yankee Stadium. Yeah, that's, yeah. Billy's is so fun.

Yeah. If you've never been to Billy's, you have to go to Billy's. I may have been named after Billy's. Really? Yeah. Actually, I. Is that like a place of conception type thing? Yeah, maybe.

When you ask me, when you ask me my favorite bar, I was thinking in New York, but my favorite bar in the world is the PBR at the battery at Truist Park. That place rocks. What's that? It's sick. It's a professional bull riding bar. Oh, yeah. And they have a mechanical bull in there and they just play country music, bangers,

and it's packed as fuck after a Braves game. Like, it's rocks. There's one, there's one in, uh, the one I've seen was in, uh, not Dallas, but, um, they're all in those like stadium complex. type deals. I saw one in St. Louis. Why am I forgetting? Where's the Dallas Stadium in Tech?

Arlington. Yeah. Saw one there. It was closed. Okay. So let's make a list. The best bars in the world, according to macro dosing.

Which East Village bar did you say, Big Tee? East Village. Yeah. I don't know. No. I said down the hatch. I guess that's West Village. Yeah.

Down the hatch, Northside Tavern. You guys are actually like Down the Hatch. Billy puts down the hatch Billy puts Billy's bar I agree with Billy's Aaron what's your favorite bar that you've ever been to in your life Oh muted

There was this one in New York That uh Damn big T It wasn't a slide I was just I was just letting you know I didn't It sounded it sounded worse than I intended I was just

Okay okay well I appreciate you admit in that But um there was this one of New York That I don't know where it was, but they served me some of the best drinks ever had. It was like really spicy martini. I have no idea where I was. Because, you know,

New York nights, it'd get a little get a little wild. Okay, we'll put on the list. Arian says that bar in New York that serve the good spicy martini drinks. Martini's or margaritas? Martini, bro. I'm saying there's a lot of judgment on this podcast. No, but I just never

right? Everybody won't get anything on big chest, shoot a 30, whatever's happening. You know another bar I love that I feel like people in here and people who live in New York will judge me for. 2.35th, which is a rooftop that's like specifically catered to tourists

and everything is way overpriced. But they have a frozen strawberry margarita there that is so unbelievable. It's like $17 and I don't care. Like it's unreal. That sounds very limousine liberal of you. It is. And I don't go there unless like I have friends

town or something but every time I have a reason to go I go and I get actually four of those my favorite bar and if you see me there you can absolutely bother me McSorley's McSorley's one of the oldest bars in the world in the world survived two pandemics two pandemics several actually probably more than that they probably they survived like yeah typhoid fever Abraham Lincoln went there to try to rally Irish immigrants to serve in the Union army and did speeches there campaign speeches it was it's one of the greatest bars they serve two things light ale and dark ale yep and you can just

drink so many of them don't they have peanuts there you can still like yeah and they actually have really good food like if you get the chicken sandwich or the burger their glasses are I want to say maybe eight ounces or 10 ounces so you can drink a million a million glasses of beer it's fantastic actually we should go there and I might do a vlog there

make some content great job Billy now we're thinking now we're really working hard I might get I might go get hammered at a bar and take a video But it's the experience Mixorley's his experience I take all my friends

You're your Mincey part too He's rubbing off on it He's taught me well Although no Mincey would never He doesn't drink but he would He would make a vlog Yeah Of a bar

No but if you had like a mixorily You could make a really good Mixorley night video Where it's just like all the glasses Picking up all the glasses Like putting all the glasses down Yeah And then picking them up

and then smashing them and singing songs and then reading stuff on the wall because there's a lot of really cool old articles I think it was opened in 180 McSorreys old ale house on 7th

it was opened in 1891 1827 oh shit that's that's very old just king that's when John McSorley was born okay a lot of you guys sleep on bars like McSorley, not me.

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That's helixleep.com slash dose with Helix, better sleep. starts now so i'm reading on the mixorley's website it was starting 1854 but they didn't allow women until 1975 that's wild they didn't install a woman's restroom until 1986 that's wild that's that's pretty far geez that's my that was my birth year that's when things started to change yeah yeah no not really uh there's a golf course out here um It's called Lockenvar. I don't think they allowed women on it to my knowledge.

They didn't when I played on there. But I don't know if they changed since then. They didn't allow women on it. It's a really nice golf course, too. It's like one of them, private jumps. Augusta was like that until very recently, too. They didn't allow female members until, I think Condoleezza Rice was the first one. It was like 10 years ago.

10 years ago, yeah. That's fucking wild, though. It's a place where guys can be dudes. This is crazy. He man woman hate his clip. Yep. You guys want to talk a little D.C. sniper? Yeah.

It is 20 years just about to the day since the D.C. area was put into a month of terror. So I'm just going to come out and say it. I think this was an M.K. Ultra guy. Okay. I think he definitely was swayed a certain way because this just doesn't happen. Let's talk about it. I think this was part of a whole. We can have the discussion, Billy, because John Muhammad, the guy that ended up being the, I guess, the ringleader.

I don't know if you want to call him the ringleader, but it was him and Leboid Malvo, who was a child that was under Muhammad's control at the time, basically brainwashed him and took him on this trip. they ended up killing a bunch of people and Muhammad was in the military for a while beforehand and he was pissed off at the government right? So he was in Desert Storm he claimed that he had he got some sort of poisoning

from some of the burn pits things like that which I mean that could be true it could definitely be true but you think why do you think that he was in like some sort of government control program just from his you know background military you I wouldn't be surprised if I'm sort of totally going out on a limb saying this probably because I can't understand the scope of why someone would do

this that he may have been like you know given LSD and hypnotized in some way or radicalized by the US government for whatever me for some type of their means but I'm just ascertaining that because I can't understand why someone would commit these random acts of violence and you know like like this guy seems to me like a Manson type in a way. In the way he kills his whole ideology, he seems like he, you know, could have been one of these guys who were part of MK ULcher. Okay, so we can get into that a little bit later. Just a little bit of background on John, he was born John Williams on New Year's Eve, 1960. He was born in Louisiana. He was 17. He enlisted at, in the Louisiana

Army National Guard. And then he volunteered for active duty in 1985. In 87, he joined the nation of Islam. So he changed his surname to Muhammad, but that was much later. He changed his surname in 2001. So he was in the army. He was a truck driver. He was a metal worker. He was an expert rifleman, which is the highest award that they give for marksmanship in the basic, to a basic soldier in the United States Army, not a specialist. He got married twice and his second wife Mildred divorced him. And that's when things really started to fall apart for Muhammad. So he flipped out. He moved, he took his children. He basically kidnapped his children after the divorce from Mildred. And he took them to Antigua in 1999. So he, he got.

got he was very upset the the relationship did not end well and when he was down in antigua he met una james una james uh was a woman in antigua and she had a son named lee boyd malvo and uh lee and mohammed became very close friends and then mohammed kidnapped malvo and took him to florida that's kind of his m-o is like kidnapping people that he thinks he controls. And so he became like very close. He was almost like a father figure to Leboid Malvo in Antigua. And then he just took him to the United States. Malvo probably didn't have a problem with it. Muhammad would say that that was his stepson. And that's what he would tell people, even though they weren't really stepson. He wasn't stepfather's stepson.

So he moved him to Fort Myers, Florida. And then they moved to Bellingham, Washington. And then he tried to get them in schools. And in school, it raised a bunch of red flags because they're like, wait, this guy is trying to enroll three children who were reported as missing his own children from his marriage. And then this other kid that is not actually his son or stepson legally. There's no paperwork for these guys. So the authorities were notified. They came, they got the three children. and then they sent them back to John Muhammad's wife, Mildred.

So they got back together. And then Malvo got reunited with his mom in Miami. Then they got arrested by Border Patrol. But Malvo ended up staying in the United States and eventually made his way back to Muhammad. So they would travel around the country. I think they lived in a homeless, yes, they lived in a homeless shelter together in Bellingham. And then Malvo enrolled himself in high school. And then Muhammad was taking him all around the United States and just brainwashing,

teaching him that women were evil, that they're trying to take away everything from their men. And you got him riled up to a point where they tried to kill one of Mildred's friends, but they killed her niece instead. And then they got, then they started really going around the nation, committing robberies. committing murders, and people don't really talk about the murders that were caught up, that were part of their crime spree that started before they made it to Washington, D.C. But they killed people in Alabama, obviously Maryland, and I think they shot somebody else in Louisiana. The niece story is crazy, too, because he never told him that he was going to kill his niece.

He just sent him there. He was like, you have to kill this person. He never mentioned that it was like family related. Yeah. And he just shot her right in the family. When did it stop becoming very easy to commit crimes? Because I would have guessed it was before 2002. And it seems like it wasn't. Well, it's, you can get away, I think, with committing random crimes.

Well, actually, that's what, that's what makes it so scary is, and I think we've had this conversation on the, on the show before. But I think it's pretty much impossible to get away with murder. If you, if you have somebody in your life, a friend and acquaintance, somebody that you're enemies with, whatever, if you want to kill that person, I think it's impossible to get away with murder right now. I think they can track you. There's so much stuff on your phone. There's cameras on every road. They can look everything up. Yeah. But if it's a completely random crime. If you have zero criminal history, completely random five percent change. I think it's, I think it might be easier than that. There's correct. Yeah. Well, the reason why I might only be

five percent is because I think if you kill like a random person, you're probably the type of person that will continue to kill random people. And then you'll get, you'll get caught eventually. Actually, I wanted to talk about this on the show. There's currently a serial killer in Stockton, California. He's killed five people, men ages 35 to 65. He's on the loose. If you know anything, please report it to the police.

But he's just randomly killing people, shooting them and not even robbing him, just shooting them and walking away. So because there's, like, the only thing we know is he's killing men 35 to 65, that's all we know. that's like who has a you know that's because it's so random because it's there's no robbery they have no way of paying this guy back yeah so so so when it when it comes to like the first

killing the one that was the alabama one right where mohammed if you've seen better call saul it's kind of like when the guy the drug dealer breaks into saul's apartment and then makes uh whatever name is it's been so long since i've seen it actually but sends her out to kill the chicken man at his doorstop. So Muhammad asked Lee Malvo to go kill this person. Lee had no idea who it was. He was just like, okay, I'll do it because John told me so. And it was somebody that was closely connected to John Muhammad.

So a lot of people think that really this is a custody battle that played out in the most fucked up violent way. Obviously, Muhammad had some sort of like mental issue going into it. But what he was really pissed off about, was his ex-wife and his ex-wife taking their children. And then that turned into just this fucking reign of terror. Right. When they did the custody battle, he brought the kids back.

And he thought he was going to have a chance to have the kids. But they were basically like, the court already decided this. You can't have your kids. And they played the tapes back. And he was dumbfounded. He was like, I don't even have a chance to defend myself. Yeah. He thought that it was like a formal court procedure where it was going to be the two of them

arguing before a judge and then the judge deciding who's more fit to have the children. Maybe it can be some sort of arrangement worked out between him and his ex-wife. And the judge just said like, okay, yeah, you get the kids all the time. And then John was like, wait, what's, I don't have my kids anymore. And so he was, he was bent out of shape over that. And he kind of made it his mission to like get back. I think at women in general. And then more specifically to just like buzz the tower of his ex-wife. And he found out, where his ex-wife was living and a lot of people say that's why he did the shootings in the DC area. Well, I think the defense when they were trying him was trying to frame him that he was doing

random killings so that if he killed his wife, they wouldn't be able to trace it back to him. And that was his motive. But what they find out later is that there's much more to it. And we can get into that in a second. But it wasn't exactly having to do with him trying to kill his wife. but quick question PFT is that a paper you wrote no it's not a paper

the one on the bottom I've got lots of documents right here that's an undergraduate paper this is an undergrad paper but it's it was it was not written by me did you get someone one of your classmates paper no I didn't okay no I didn't I just I had Matt Dog print up a bunch of hard

I like using hard copies to read off of during this show and so when I was just doing research on this I listened to a few podcasts. The monster podcast is really good if you guys want to take like a deeper dive on it. The monster podcast on the D.C. Snipers, it's fantastic. And then I did some research online. It came across this undergrad paper just like popped up in a search. And so I started reading it. And there's a bunch of it's written by somebody that was in the D.C. area when this happened. And there's a bunch of things that she brings up that reminded me of some things that I felt

when this was happening. So I just, I'm using this just to like look at some of her reactions. to kind of let you guys know what it was like in that area. So the first killing, Bill, you're right, the first killing was February 16th, 2002. And that was Malvo who killed Kenya Nicole Cook. And then September 5th, 2002, Malvo and Muhammad,

they stalked somebody in Montgomery County, Maryland. And then on the third night, Malvo approached the person, shot them six times with a 22 caliber pistol, and robbed them of his cash and laptop computer. But the person that got shot ended up surviving. But they remember Malvo approaching them in the parking line and shooting them. I think they shot the person like through their car door. But again, this was like a random person that got stalked. It had no connection to the two people, to Muhammad or Malvo. which is why it made it so tough to figure out who it was.

Do we know how they're traveling in between all these places? Was it in the car? Yeah, they bought the Chevy Caprice. So were they going cross country from like Washington to Maryland to Montgomery? At the start of it, they went cross country. They went from Washington to Louisiana, Alabama, Maryland. Because the crazy part about the whole thing is like we did a cross country road trip. and a lot of fun

but like how would you be able to do a cross-country road trip after like killing somebody they seemed like they were just mentally locked in like john mohammed this kid lee malvo to be this killer he was making him play video games of killings to desensitize him to the idea of killing people it was crazy how he he was able to do this to such a young kid but he was so vulnerable at the time because he had a really bad pass his mother would beat him. And he was quiet in school. And the only thing that really, like, gave him life was guns. I saw something where his, like, old school teacher, he didn't say a word in class, Lee Malvo. But when they showed a movie about guns and they started asking about, like,

what the model of guns were, he raised his hand right away and started naming off, like, the models of guns that were in the movie. He knew him, like, name by name, caliber by caliber. So he was like, at this point, John Muhammad had fully brainwashed this kid into becoming a, a full-blown killer. Yeah, I think with Muhammad, he was a psycho. He had some rage issues. He was not, some people that were in his unit in the army accused him of like trying to kill them. Right. So he, he had some, some violent tendencies. And I think going and serving overseas in war, fucked him up even worse. And so he came back. He couldn't, he was antisocial, didn't make friends, had violent relationships with his, with his wives. And nobody really wanted to

be around him. He made everyone a little bit uneasy because of these rage issues. And so he would, when he saw Lee Malvo, a quiet kid didn't talk much. He was the only father figure in that kid's life. The kid loved John Muhammad. Then Muhammad was like, okay, I'm going to, you know what? I'm going to train this kid almost like we're in our own military together. And I'm going to bring him up and teach him everything that I know. And they developed this like weird, fucked up symbiotic relationship where John needed Lee Malvo because he didn't have his own kids. They'd been taken away. And Lee needed John because Lee didn't have his own father.

And there was nobody in his life that was showing any sort of interest in him. And so they became like completely dependent on each other. And almost like since they were so insulated, they grew up in like their own little weird environment and created their own view of the world that was completely detached from reality. but they grew up like mission oriented towards do like lee's entire purpose was do whatever john tells me to do and john's entire purpose was uh violence right and also let's get back at my ex-wife well not exactly so from record scratch not exactly so malvo's whole uh not malvo malvo was supposed to be the first of many children that john was going to sort of radicalize like this

John's end game was to establish a camp in Canada where homeless children would be trained as terrorists. And to start this camp in Canada, he was going to try to extort the U.S. government for tens of millions of dollars to put together this army of homeless children to enact terror, to get back to the U.S. government, and, you know, establish... Like, Connie. Yeah. he wanted to establish a utopian society for 140 homeless black children on a Canadian compound and sort of just rain terror and he sort of authorities claim that Muhammad admitted that he admired and modeled himself after Osama and bin Laden and al-Qaeda and approved

to September 11th attacks. So they think that he was trying to sort of start an extremist group to you know commit jihad against the united states and uh he's quoted as saying mohammed i have been accused on my mission allah knows i'm going to suffer now he wrote his rants and drawings featured not only features figures such as osama inlaan and saddam hussein but also characters from the film series the matrix these musings were dismissed as immaterial um he'd had no direct terroristic ties or political ideologies like he had no direct ties al-Qaeda, no direct ties to anyone in specific. But he sort of was trying to rein terror on the United States for all the wrongs he had done to him. I don't think it was directly a religious

like war for him, but he used terminology such as jihad and, you know, wanted to terrorize the United States. He did. Yeah, he just wanted to create terror. And honestly, he did a pretty effective job with that. It's kind of crazy that there have been no copycats. We can get into that. We can honestly thank the Patriot Act. I mean, like, let's be real. Okay. Like, thank you, Patriot Act for sort of...

Just for your service? Yeah. I mean, like, when you think about, like, we shout out to the Patriot Act. We just did an episode on Snowden, but like, they know every single person who goes in and out of New York City every day. Like, they know every car that goes through the tunnels. They know everybody from facial scan technology who goes on public transport in and out of the city. They know everybody who goes through on the FDR drive everywhere. Like, it would be hard to do this.

They have this in almost every metropolitan area that they could figure something out like this quickly. But if we wanted to get to how Malvo described, before we talk about the actual events, Malvo described their three-part, three-phase plan to sort of terrorize, and extort the United States. So Muhammad's complete plan, which consisted of three phases in the Washington, D.C., and Baltimore metro areas. Phase one consisted of meticulously planning,

mapping, and practicing their locations around the D.C. area so that after each shooting, they could quickly lead the area on a predetermined path and move to the next location. Muhammad's goal in phase one was to kill six white people a day for 30 days. Malvo went on to describe how phase one did not go his plan due to heavy traffic

and lack of a clear shot and or getaway at different locations. Phase two was meant to take place in Baltimore. Mallow described how this phase was close to being implemented but was never carried out. Phase two is intended to begin by killing a pregnant woman by shooting her in the abdomen. The next step would have been to shoot and kill a Baltimore police officer. At the officer's funeral, they would plant several improvised explosive devices. These explosives were intended to kill a large number of police since many police would attend another officer's funeral. More bombs were then to be detonated as ambulance arrived at the scene.

The last phase was to take place immediately after phase two to extort several million dollars from the U.S. government. This money would be used to finance a larger plan to travel north into Canada and recruit other effectively orphaned boys to use weapons and stealth and send them out to commit shootings across the country. So it sounds like he had, I mean, he had a plan. Now it's all fantasy. None of this could have ever actually come to fruition just by one guy carrying this out. I mean, this is why I think it was like an M.K. Alter thing because he was insane. he like he had delusions of grandeur yeah manson had his own and i kind of like manson is a huge parallel for me to this guy and why i sort of think it was one of these mk ultra things

because manson had this whole idea helter-skelter cause a race war yeah uh he had tons of people under him who were just as manipulated and would kill people just like malvo it's kind of fascinating how it's like almost directly correlated i mean so but let's just just say that that he tried to carry that and he did I guess try to carry it out but you can't you can't follow through on these plans like it would be impossible okay you could you could definitely you could definitely shoot a random pregnant person that's that's definitely something that he was capable of pulling off you could definitely shoot a police officer he could have pulled that off too uh but then like setting bombs at the funerals and when the first responders show up more bombs go off like that's

impossible for one person to do that all on his own and then after that to use that to extort the government to get millions of dollars to then recruit people to start a terrorist camp up in Canada and then send all these new young men out to like that none of that stuff ever had a possibility of happening you get that right so like he had delusions of grandeur he i mean he might have had some sort of training when he was in the military he might have there there could be some government stuff that they implanted in his head back then that that made him want to pull this off for sure but he was also like he was also insane Yeah. To think that any of this stuff would have ever happened.

Also, the weirdest thing is trying to extort the U.S. government for money. Like, just, I'm not a terrorist. I'm not telling him how to do his job, uh, terrorizing people, but maybe financing his operation. Wouldn't it be easier, you know, the war on terror started, al-Qaeda exists? Like, maybe reach out to al-Qaeda, ask them for money to start your training camp in Canada. maybe not the U.S. government asks them for the money like there's probably better places to get money

to start stuff you know than the U.S. government just thought it's like I'm not trying to... Sounds like you've got a pretty good plan here, Bill. I think it's just one of these ideas of grandeur and maybe getting the money from the U.S. government

was part of his getting back the government type thing. Yeah. Is Aryan? Oh, Arian had to duck out. I think he's got something going on. Big T. What do you think about the whole lead-up?

And we'll get into the actual shootings in a second. But what do you think about Muhammad's past and all that? I mean, in what sense? I'm just curious to know, like, your thoughts on his background. How much of this story were you familiar with before we started researching it? Zero. I feel we talked about it for a minute on here one time. But I didn't remember any of it.

I mean, obviously this was, I was five. so I don't I didn't know any of this yeah um I mean obviously the guy was a crazo but like you can't he was a crazo yeah um I mean I don't I don't have any thoughts other than that he's a big time crazo so let let's get to the actual the events of the DC sniper as it pertains to the Maryland Virginia district area first shot came in October 2nd, 2002. It was outside a shopper's food warehouse, about 6 o'clock at night, sometime, or 520, 520 in the parking lot outside of a shopper's food warehouse.

And it was James D. Martin, he was a 55-year-old. He was walking to his car, and he got shot small exit wound from behind, or excuse me, small entrance wound from behind, large exit wound. in his chest and that's all they had to go on so the cops show up they look at them and it's not like i guess i had always assumed it would be like in the movies or in the wire where they show up and they instantly like triangulate exactly where the shot came from but with a sniper you can't it's it's not that easy to do they didn't have uh probably like high quality surveillance footage that was immediately available to them they couldn't they didn't have that many witnesses

because everyone's just like minding their business walking around a parking lot not paying attention to anybody else and this dude just falls to the ground and he's dead and so like yeah it's kind of scary but that's a very easy crime to get away with if you have no relation

so the cops like imagine being a police officer and that's the scene you come up on and you probably have some experience seen gunshots before so you can figure out okay this is probably a high powered rifle probably wasn't that close of a shot especially if nobody saw it

so what do you think from there what do you have to go on like this guy has an enemy yeah he got it was a mob hit then you do investigation on the guy because then you do investigation on the guy I think that you probably just originally say okay what's what's his personal life like does he have is there a marital issue does he have any enemies at work who does he owe money to that sort of thing and and they don't come up with anything so they're like what the fuck what can we do about this it's like That's got to be a very, it's a very easy crime to get away with it. If they want to stop after one person, they probably could have stopped.

There was a Russian philosopher. I forget the exact story. But he just randomly killed the guy with an axe just to see if you could get away with it. And he did. Let me look this up. Russian axe random killing. I forget the exact one. It was,

it was very long like i don't know but um because of that when there's no way to link it back to you you can get away with it and so just wanted to get into the type of vehicle and set up the dc's snipers had okay can i can i go through a couple of the other shootings first and so just to set the stage that was the first shooting and so the cops don't have any way to figure out who this was why they did it and uh and and and what the person's motivation was it seemed like one off killing. Then the next day, they shot four people. And it was all in the morning. They shot Johnny Buchanan, 39-year-old, as he was out mowing his lawn. They shot Prem Kumar Wallachar. He was pumping gas at a gas station. Sarah Ramos, she was 34. That's when she sat on a bench,

just sitting on a park bench. And Lori Rivera, she was 25 years old as she was vacuuming her car. And then later on that evening, they shot Pascal Charlotte as he just stood at an intersection in Washington, D.C. So they just, at that point, we knew that something was up. How do you do all of that in a day? It's crazy, right? I don't know. I don't know. They had. Like if they were, if it was random killings, one every three weeks across the country, but like five in a day? Yeah. And they didn't catch these guys for a another what three four weeks five in a day it's crazy and i don't know when the first call came in

i think it might have been on this day on october third that there was like a white box van that that somebody saw speeding away from the scene of one of the shootings and that's how the rumor got started okay these guys are in a van like a work van and you never realize how many vans you see with you know the ladder on the back that sort of thing you never realize how many of those are on the road until there's somebody shooting up an entire city and everyone's looking for this fan and then all of a sudden they're everywhere.

So they were called the DC snipers and some of the murders were from like longer distances but how many of these were actually like that and how many were they pulled up, shot somebody and kept driving? What do you mean? Like not all of these were like snipers, right? No, they were all snipers, yeah.

All of them? So the one that we talked about, when he was going cross-country and they went up to the person's door that i think was a handgun the one of the parking lot where they they stole like the laptop that was a handgun starting on october second these were all snipers it was a bushmaster rifle yeah that was i would just be like curious to see how far away they were they said about on average is about 80 to 90 yards so by the way okay everyone says they're snipers they were using a long-range rifle but it was one that's typically used to kill deer a bushmaster so um i'm not sure of the exact caliber but like a bush

two three yeah two three so that type of you can take down a deer with that and 80 to 90 yards isn't your typical like this wasn't like a like this wasn't an american sniper type shots these shots were 80 to 90 yards which in the field of like rifle hunting isn't that crazy they're pot shots I mean, calling these guys snipers, like, yes, they were good shot. Like, they hit targets from 80 and 90 yards away, but it's not like they were, you know, doing insane sniper shots from, you know, 500 yards away, taking out targets completely at random. They were taking pot shots. It was shooting fish in a barrel. It was disgusting.

It was, yeah, it was very easy for them. Yeah, they were shooting outside of the back of the trunk. So it was this one, Ramos. She was the lady that was on the park bench. She got shot in the head on that first day that was October 3rd. Well, the second day, but the first day where they went nuts and just started shooting a lot of people. That morning, Ramos got shot in the head. And then there was a witness of that shooting that told the police that they just saw a box type truck, like a delivery vehicle or a white van that was speeding away from it.

So that rumor got out there, that witness account got out there. And starting on the very first day, it was like, okay. every, every white box van or truck in the Washington, D.C. area, that's a suspect right now. And there might have been a box van that was driving away. Turns out that was just not the right person. And that really threw the entire case off for a while because that's the only lead that we had to go on. They were not in a white box van. Billy, what were they in? They were in a old police car. So the exact same. setup was a blue um was a blue sorry did you say the first shooting oh yeah did you say the

first shooting was a woman on a park bench that was one of the first ones i thought because in the documentary i watch it was a guy mowing his lawn yeah so that was on the same those are in the same day so october second that the first person that got shot was in a shopper's food warehouse parking lot gotcha that was october second then on the third that's where they shot Buchanan, John Buchanan, as he mowed his lawn. Yeah. He was the first person shot that day. Also shot that day was a guy pumping gas and then Sarah Ramos got shot on a bench. Lori Rivera got shot vacuum in their car outside of a metro station. And then Pascal Charlotte got shot later on the day. So four people got shot in about two hours in Montgomery County,

Maryland that morning and then that's when it became that it hit the news at the radio everybody freaked out everyone in Montgomery County was like get inside stay inside for the rest of the day so their vehicle was a old police car that was a blue Chevrolet Caprice which was designed to be a killing machine so how they had it is the car had two holes in the trunk one for the rifle one for the scope the two holes were there so that shots could be fired without open opening the trunk. The car also had a darker than normal tinting on the back windows, and all the seats in the back were folded down so they could lay like, you know, a sniper team, shoot out of the

back of the trunk, one hole for the bullet exiting the car, one hole so that they could see. And because of this, it was, you know, it was the perfect vehicle to get away with all this stuff because a van would have been almost too conspicuous that it was like you could have a rifle team in the back of a van this caprice in the Chevrolet Caprice like imagine like one of these highway cruisers uh that we see today it's a small car like kind of like a Lincoln town car in a way but it's a small the back of the trunk you'd never expect like two men to be laying on their you know laying prone in the back acting as a rifle team yeah so I mean you it's crazy and that's why they could be so mobile and their car looked like an undercover police

car it was like a boring looking car kind of yeah it was it didn't stand out or have any real like distinctive features besides the hole that was cut in the back that you have to really be looking for it to notice um arian do you remember do you remember when the snipers first started yeah yeah we were i was in high school actually i was in high school and everybody was nobody knew what was going on it was scary as shit there was just like so much panic because

I mean there had been shootings before but this was like really unique in the sense that it was like so like well I hate to phrase like this was so well orchestrated

and thought out and it was you didn't know where everybody was like you gotta stay inside don't gather in groups like that kind of thing it was really weird

there's a lot of panic around it yeah yeah it was uh I mean, you're right. They got away with. They had a plan and they were able to execute on the plan. And it was just kind of a really scary,

fucked up plan that they had that they ended up, like, really excelling at. But it shows you that if you commit, like, we were talking earlier a second ago, I know you had to duck out real quick. But if you want to, if you want to get away with murder, completely random murders are actually relatively easy to get away with.

If you just stop committing the murders after like one. or two because there's no the police have a hard time investigating it unless there's like surveillance footage of you. Yeah. I mean that's usually like that's usually the thing like when you talk about like you know

mental health issues like it's hard to just to do one murder or two you know like if it's not if there's like no like real known motive as far as like revenge or you know personal because most murders the majority over

overwhelming majority of murders are like by somebody you know um again so like serial killers that's how they usually get caught is they have a pattern they have that's how that's how they get investigated and so um yeah when you start to develop a pattern and you start that you that's when you start leaving you know breadgrims i mean there are a lot of murders that go un unsolved but um a lot of them get caught because it's it's a pattern like uh even if that new um that dommer shit that we were talking about yeah yeah um if he would have just stopped he would have got away with the all of them almost for sure almost yeah but when you get away with you can't stop because you just think you never get caught yeah because a person that would that would commit a random murder is probably

the same time person that would continue to kill people so there's currently we were talking about this earlier area but there's currently a serial killer in california stockton right now kill yeah heard about 35 to 65 year old men's five victims totally random not robbing so And this still happens. The lack of motive is something that's crazy. But. So they were looking for the white van. So they were able to get away with that first day.

And everybody panicked that. I remember Charles Moose was the, he was the head of the Montgomery County. I think he was Montgomery County Sheriff. And he was in charge of the investigation because all these shootings at first were in Montgomery County, Maryland. and he was on the news and he was just like asking the public like please help me because we don't have anything they all appear to be completely random all we know is that there's a white box truck please help me out i was driving a white van at the time uh got pulled over several times we had to put up a sticker in the back or a little poster in the back saying it's not me please don't pull me over because we couldn't drive anywhere and everybody it's actually crazy not just like getting pulled over by the police all the time but every car that would drive past me would like slow down and stare at me and you could tell that they were like

is that him? I was like driving to school but everyone saw my van they were fucking suspicious about it it was a Chevy Astro and it was it was tough it was a really strange time because I was scared too but I was just trying to make my way to school and then people would be just like either

one avoiding my car two seeing me holding up their phones about to like call the police because they're like we've got one we've got a white van or did this develop your did this develop your empathy for profiling? It might, I did get profiled, yeah.

This is the start of your liberalism? I feel your pain. I know what it's like too. I know what it's like. Were you not like, maybe I'll take the bus for a couple weeks? No, I didn't want to take the bus. Too cool. I had football practice afterwards.

I don't want to take the late bus home and sometimes there's no late bus. Wait, y'all had, like, buses that left at different times? Yeah, we had a late bus. Actually, there was no late, late bus after football practice. There was a bus before sports and then a bus after sports. Oh, really? I never took a bus after sports.

All of ours just left right when school ended. They're like, get home when you can. What about football practice? There was a late bus, but they didn't have, like, I didn't do all the stops. Yeah. It was like, we can get you. I remember my late bus could get me, like. a half mile away from my house okay you can walk the rest of the way we kind of care yeah but

no that i did have another van i had my mom's van that i could take sometimes and so i would there were a couple days when i was like i don't really feel like driving the white van today i'll i'll stick my mom with that i'll drive the green uh ford wind star and try to take that in uh so after that first day where they went nuts. Police Chief Charles Moose was on the case. He didn't really have that many leads besides the white truck. And they were trying to figure out what to do next. The next victim was the very next day. The very next day, I believe that's when they started. Oh, it was Dean Myers. And he got shot in Prince William County, Virginia. So that expanded the case quite a bit because until then, everybody had been in Montgomery County, Maryland,

except for the last person of the day that was shot in D.C., but only, like, one block into D.C. So initially it was like a Montgomery County problem. Then the next day, it's like, okay, we're going to go. That's about, if you're not familiar with the D.C. area, Montgomery County, Maryland from where these shootings are, down to Prince William, Virginia. I think it's probably about like an hour with no traffic.

It's about 70 miles away. So it expanded the problem quite a bit. now this is a Virginia problem. And also what that meant is everybody in the entire area was thinking to themselves, I could be next. It was no longer like northern Montgomery County. It was the entire metropolitan area, which is massive and it sprawls out, like all the way almost to West Virginia on the west side and then all the way to basically the Atlantic ocean on the east side, the entire area. I would say like from the whole DMV, I would say from Pennsylvania, from the southern border

of Pennsylvania, down to Richmond, Virginia and then West Virginia to the Atlantic Ocean, that entire part of the country was thinking after this shooting in Spotsovane or in, uh, yeah, in Spotsylvania, that entire region was thinking, I can't get out of my car because I might get shot. Whoa.

It was fucking terrifying. And it was a very effective way of, of doing a terrorist attack. And also, let's remember that this was, this was a year after 9-11. pretty much yeah and so everybody in that region was thinking we thought it was al Qaeda at first that was like the natural thing because there was the anthrax attack and yeah i was about to say that was it was that where i was just about to say that because it was 9-11 and then anthrax and like and so like

everybody was like on high alert anyway yeah yeah no i i distinctly remember thinking this is a terrorist it's well it was a terrorist but i was thinking it was like al Qaeda and then was it though because how do we are we defining terrorism by political motivation? Was it political? Well, Billy was talking about some of his political motive. I personally think that his motivation was like he he got fucked up in the head. He had

violent tendencies in his time in the military. He was exposed to probably some chemical things that made him sick. And he always had these like violent tendencies. And then he got into a bitter custody battle where he ended up like kidnapping his own children and he was mad at his ex-wife. And so he wanted, he like focus his violent

tendencies in an area part of the country near where his ex-wife was to make sure that she was one of the people who was scared. Billy thinks that there were political motivations. No, no, the political motivations which he told, which Malvo testified to, Malvo believed

Muhammad when he told him that, so basically they were trying to terrorize the U.S. to the point where they would pay them $10 million in ransom in order to establish a utopian society for 140 homeless black children on a Canadian compound.

So that camp was going to be where 140 children would be trained as terrorists to keep terrorized in the United States. I don't think it was per se like directly linked. He just wanted to terrorize the United States and used those exact words, this idea to extort the United States to create a camp in Canada to then train homeless children to terrorize the United States. And I feel like I did a direct. correlation like this guy gives me tons of Manson vibes manson wanted to start a race war and you know

like had all these people under him that were totally indoctrinated and radicalized to do his bidding and kill people um and that's where i see like malvo sort of wanted to create like you know this group that would terrorize the United States for whatever reasons he had there were authorities did say that he sort of had um uh rants and drawings that featured figures like osama bin la and saddam hussein and characters from the film series

the matrix um but they're sort of dismissed the investigators reportedly said they had all but eliminate terrorist ties or political ideology as a motive he was a member of the muslim brotherhood but i think this wasn't this didn't seem to have much that may have just been like a, like a, I don't think it was more like a, he did reference jihad, but I think that was the only thing that could describe his hatred for the United States and the system that take away his children and done all these things. I mean, I don't think he was like, I guess it depends on how you, how you classify terrorism. Because like, he's definitely a terrorist.

So they, they, well, yeah, you can terrorize, but like how they classify is like, it's like a, it's specifically like a political motivation. And so it's if it's like if you want to start a race war, that's, that would be domestic terrorism. If you want to it's not as black and white as it seems.

Like there are just sometimes like psychos who want to take people out. But there are some people who are politically motivated to do so. This doesn't seem to me like it fits that case. But I mean it's

semantics I think he's definitely a terrorist but I don't think he's a religious extremist that's something that what would be his what was his political motivation because I honestly don't know I couldn't

it just seemed really spotty his political motivation was to establish this camp where you train homeless children to terrorize the United States I think that that seems to be his only motivation incredibly specific

yeah that's why It's like Manson-esque. That's why I think he could be like MK Ultra. He wanted to start his own like program. Yeah. He had a startup. He was looking for funding. Yeah, he was looking for Series A investment in his startup.

His startup just happened to be. He was looking to disrupt the United States, the world really. He didn't like how the United States had a monopoly on violence. So he was like, I want some of the violence. He's like, you know what? The old antiquated legacy system of violence. in the United States is it's clunky yeah i'm doing a lean agile startup right we're more mobile a startup for the for the next generation right employing employing the youth yeah to do your bidding

like papa from stranger things didn't watch it oh i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm gonna go ahead and say yes sure did you know i saw season one oh it's just too much to get into yeah there's too many shows a i'm on season four i'm a season four isn't it kind of like papa just like employing children to take over the world with mk ultra vibes in a sense yeah yeah i would say so yeah i think as i watch a lot of like villains and shows i i tend to side with them more than not be honest yeah yeah villains make sense a lot of the times not in real world sometimes they do in the real world but a lot of times in tv shows they make sense like the The Joker.

You think the joke? He makes it. Oh, he makes sense. That's such a. Absolutely. That's such a. There's so many dudes I know who like are all about the Joker and it's just creepy. How is it?

He makes sense. Yeah. You sound like the low key. You're giving, that's some in cell vibes, bro. You may. I'm listening. Talk me out of it. No, seriously.

Like all the people who are like, oh. I'm not worried about who else aligns with him. You can find a Venn diagram where you align with anybody. convince me that the Joker doesn't make sense and convince me that Batman does well there is Batman's trying to fight evil in a sense people who harm other people the Joker's just the Joker's like rejected by society and he's like big like the Joker would do DC sniper type shit okay that's a horrible argument that's trying to well he he hates the system that wronged him and he wants to

to get back the system, same way. He wants to correct this. He wants to show why the system in itself is bullshit. And Batman symbolizes the epitome of that system. Right. So a rich man who goes around fighting poor people. It doesn't make any sense. The penguin, the penguin's pretty wealthy, if you remember.

Penguin is wealthy. The penguin's very well. But that's not, that's not, like, only targets. Like, he just fights people. Well, he's doing it. He's like, fight. He's doing it. Because his, his parents were killed.

And so he's like, we have, we have a crime problem. Poor people killed his parents. He's a Republican. Thousand percent badmets of the Republican. No question. But you could say, I may need to watch Batman. John Muhammad. John Muhammad wants to correct the system.

His way of correcting this. I'm not siding with the DC state. Right, right. But I'm trying to. Under your framework, John Muhammad. and wants to correct the system that wronged him, took his children, you know, sent him over to war, made him exposed to dangerous chemicals. So his way of doing that is like holding the U.S. government for ransom, getting that $10 million and then getting 140 homeless of black

children to then radicalize them to change the system that he was wrong by. But his means of doing that are shooting innocent people that have nothing to do with the problem. Right. So they're complicit. You could say they're complicit. their cogs in the machine. Okay, Billy, quick question. I'm not actually, I'm trying to judge.

No, I don't think you can't say that, Billy. I just have one quick follow-up. I have one follow-up on that, Billy. The 13-year-old kid. No,

I'm not vibing for, Iran Brown. I'm trying to. You did just say that they're cogs in the machine. No, but by his ideology. By the way,

his ideology is flagrantly wrong. I'm trying, that's what I'm trying to say the Joker's ideology is flagrantly wrong. I know. We all know what Bill is. Yeah, I don't want I want to say,

I'm like Billy's not actually doing what you think he's doing. I'm just trying to because all these people love the Joker that George Kittles got a Joker tattoo. He's got a couple screws loose. I'm just saying better watch that guy. No, I love George. Um, but

this whole Joker worship is kind of concerning. I, because it's very school shooter is. I don't think it's that concern. Like the Joker is it's a fucking movie and you can watch the Joker and not be like panicked and have it changed your entire

worldview. I think whoever was doing the marketing for the Joker did a great job by even before it hit theaters. It's like be careful this movie will turn people into insoles. Yeah. It made people be like, oh shit, this movie's dangerous. Is Andrew Tate the Joker? There's no better, there's no better. No,

he don't make any set. There's no better advertising you can have for any piece of art that you put out than for somebody to be like you know, this is dangerous and for have that to be the storyline that goes along with it. Did anybody actually? I didn't ever say it at the time. Did anybody get radicalized by the Joker? I'm sure.

The guy who shot up the dark night. I don't think that guy was actually red. The Aurora shooter? He had... The Aurora shooter had the red hair. He had face paint on. Dude, if you've ever read anything about James Holmes, the Aurora shooter, he was dressed up. He didn't have...

I don't think he had face paint on. But he died his hair. But he did that because that was him turning into his violent version of himself. The Joker. So he could know, so he could disassociate. with the acts that he was doing. It didn't have anything to do with the actual movie. People thought that it did because...

It was the dark night. It happened during that movie. But I don't think that was his ideology at all. I think that's something that a lot of people talked about. In hindsight, looking back, and if I'd seen the movies, maybe I'd say it was like the Joker. Yeah, so he hadn't even... Oh, wait.

He had even... He'd have seen the movies. Yeah. Do I think that the... I don't think the Joker hopefully didn't cause any shooters, but I do think it radicalized people. It's definitely weird movies. It's definitely like creepy vibes.

I think it's like one of those movies where people see a reflection of themselves in it. If you're able to be radicalized by the Joker in a Batman movie, you were off-kilter to begin with. It's like when they blamed Marilyn Manson for Columbine, I think it was Pete Townsend. I'm going to get the right Pete this time because I fucked up a couple weeks ago. I said that Pete Frampton was under investigation for child pornography. It was actually Pete Townsend. Isn't Peter Frampton a musical artist? They're both musical artists.

Pete Townsend was a guitar player from The Who. Got it. And when the Columbine shooting happened, they blamed Marilyn Manson. His quote was almost exactly Big T's quote. He said, I think if you shoot up a school because some shithead with a guitar told you to, you're a shithead yourself and you would have done it anyways. Correct. That was just your like catalyst.

Yeah, that was your catalyst. And it gave you something to like base your identity on a little bit. no normal person saw Batman and was like, you know what, I'm going to shoot up a school now. Right. And they're starting to run that same playbook back a little bit now where they're blaming violent video games, violent music society for like school shooters. That's exactly what they did back in like the 90s. I'm going to have to say Madden did make me run harder though. That's a good point. Yep. Okay. Using the truck stick and Madden did make me like be like I'm going to do this in a game. Yeah. And truck people. What about Vision Cone? Did that make you a better quarterback? No.

Yeah, because Passing Cone sucked. No, that's... Aaron, when you were playing Madden, did you ever draw any inspiration from, like, hitting the left trigger, right trigger, the spin button? Did you incorporate any of that into your game? No. I used to, like, mess around, like, on Friday walkthroughs and stuff like that.

Like, do the L1R1, like, jump cuts. but not in real life. That must have been so sick to be that athletic to be able to pull off the video games in real life and make them look like they did in the video games. Well, they base the video games off of them. Yeah, I know, but like it would be cool to have that ability to do the side shuffle

and get like three yards laterally. And you can't do that? I can't, not to the same effect that you could. Yeah, that's true. But you can still do it. Yeah, I'm more of a D.K. Meck. Yeah, you got some. I got some wiggle

No, I never You have some Your calves Your calves are pretty athletic looking Thank you Aaron Who do you think you owned more Aryan or D.K. D.K.

D.K., because the only thing D.K. has is his speed and I beat him in a race. So, Arian, like, Aaron didn't play cornerback. He's got hands like a cornerback. I mean, that's a compliment.

I actually hate when you make this slander. I actually hate it because he's, Because as someone who gets made fun of for, like, totally unrelated by football, like, he had amazing hands. Yeah. We're not down talking his fucking hands. I think, like, yeah, if you look at it across the board in the United States by percentages, you probably had top one percent hands. What percentage?

What percentile in the NFL? I don't know. Of skill position guys in the NFL. I have to consult them adding. I've tied top five. Listen, I used to tell all. Top five people? Yes, I had better hands.

didn't. Including receivers. Anybody on my squad aside from Andre Johnson and DeAndre Hopkins. A lot of, I would tell them. I would tell them that. Let's just go through receivers in the NFL at that time. So you were the top 6% on your own team. Got it. So those two, Calvin Johnson,

are we conceding that he had better hands than you? Yeah. Randy Moss. Julio Jones. Yep. Randy Moss. Yeah. I mean, we're already a five.

I played with. Well, you said, you said top five in the NFL. I thought we were talking about percentile Oh, okay So 95th percentile you mean Yeah No

Well, I don't have you phrased Yeah, yeah Yeah, yeah I thought you meant top five people There's a lot of But even still There's a lot of wide outs Even in the NFL

Who are super athletic Like can run crisp routes They're tall They have all the intangibles Of a wide receiver But they have Like decent enough hands to just like get by whereas they'll get open on a post route they'll just catch it

take to the house but like they're not doing what odell's doing they're not doing what pickings did like they're not like they don't have that cany ability to locate the ball in the air air a good hands are more rare in receivers than you think because a lot of it is like routine catches like you know what you know who has a lot better hands than people give them credit for are quarterbacks because they play catch so much from throwing and so quarterbacks have really good hands and so receivers tight ends i think that's just like a hit or miss because they're just so it's like it's like it's a skill set that can be developed but like truly great hands like as some shit you just born with and i've always had that shit i'm like because it's because my dad

was a receiver my dad was a receiver and i just grew up catching that motherfucker all day and i've I feel like tight ends usually have have to have better hands because they're not as open so much because they're always catching with a linebacker draped on them and those guys have to have like pillow hands.

Now don't most quarterbacks though when they're getting warmed up they have somebody that catches the ball for them and hands it to them? Not until they're... That's like game day. That's like game day. Yeah.

Is that just so you don't jam a finger? Yeah, that's all you don't. And because like a lot of the times I used to fucking hate, quarterbacks they like on game day that should just be humming i used to tell them like yo calm the fuck down touch i used to remember i was telling you billy at the at the facility i was like bro put touch on it like nobody wants to catch i mean think about it you went across the middle and got almost broken fucking rib nobody wants to catch that shit bro there are there are some throws that

warrant that but the majority of times like i remember i was um i was uh uh doing like seven on sevens and Peyton actually came into town and Peyton always did seven on sevens with a lot of the guys and so it was Peyton and Eric Aange and I'm just sitting in the back as running back as we know we get to see from the back view

and I'm watching Eric Aange and Peyton Man to throw and Eric Aang's getting the ball there faster but Peyton Man and shit was so much more smooth and there's so much more touch to it like nobody wants to catch a hard ball like there are times where it's

necessary but the touch goes way farther also to your point really I think tight ends run different routes yeah it's the the balls that they catch are a little I would say a little easier to catch those long balls the trajectory

it's a little it's a little more difficult to catch but you make a valid point when you're tracking it like they can they track themselves so well under the ball that it's easier for them to make the catch because they have the mobility to put themselves in an easier catch I am looking at Aryan

Busters, 96 overall Legends card in Madden from a year or two ago, I guess. Every running stat is green, 94 speed, 96 acceleration on down the board. The receiving stats, though, so catch is an 82, which is yellow on here. Yeah, but that's because you, I, I, catch in traffic is a 73. We're starting to get orange. Deep route running is a 65. That's, that's red. medium route running 75 short route running 87 that one's a light green but like if you looked

at a wide receiver right like who may have even played running back in high school in college that like because they don't show those skills as much they're not going to record them as such I'm just telling you what Madden said I it's just interesting though like what did you say for downfield routes that's just so that's six but I put it like this matter of I might have this video still. I'm going to say who it is. Maybe I said it on the podcast already. But when Bill O'Brien, because I used to tell

Kubiak, who had his running backs do the same thing for years. But even he started to recognize it up after a while, like, you know, we got to utilize the skill set. And so I started getting out on the back. I'm going to think about it. I had two 600-yard receiving seasons and I was a Belkow

running back. That's insane. That's not hard. I had no screen passes and checkdowns. That's extreme. And so when Bill O'Brien got there, they were watching the film and they were like, yo, we have like a special talent. And so they started lining me up outside.

And so during OTAs, they started lining me up against our one, our number one cornerback. And I was routing him. I was routing my number one quarterback. Even in when I was on practice squad, my rookie year, how I turned the coach's heads, this is how I turned the coach's heads. I was going against our three or four cornerback because I had to play scout team receiver. I had to play everything.

I was routing the shit out of our third corner. I was routing his ass. And so that's when they was like, I'm my coach pulled me in. He was like, yo, you keep doing shit like this. They're going to pull you up. And so I was just routing people. They put me a tight end, routing people.

They don't, when my era of running backs, they just didn't split us out like that. It just wasn't a thing. Damien Thomas and like, Damien Thomas would have eight in the same. era. Oh my God, he would have ate in this era. But he was just the bell cow back. It was just a different era. It's a different time. 2,200 all-purpose yards and 2010 is pretty impressive. Yep. Or yards from scrimmage, not all-purpose yard. Yeah. I wish that, I wish that it happened more

recently so we could give it a cool hashtag, you know, like CJ2K. Did you ever have, did you ever have like 2K AF that would have been cool nah 2000 is big on like branding myself like that this is the most I've ever talked about my football skills probably I think

yeah I mean it's actually interesting to hear it because we bust your balls about it but at the end of the day I'd say you did have better hands than everybody else on this podcast so it's it's interesting to hear your perspective on that fuck off

I have some pretty good good hands. See, here's Billy being kind of serious. Like, Billy, Billy took what I thought was like, uh, just a slight playful jab at Aryan because it's obviously not true. And Billy's like,

well, actually there's, I'm pulling up my, there's a lot of truth. And also, it's funny because Billy is like your biggest stand to be like, yo, we need to actually loki respect Aaron more because he was really good at his craft.

But also like at the same time, my hands, my hands were a little bit better, I think. I think you guys need to start looking at where I'm coming from in the hand department as well. Just saying. Billy's hands are too soft

to be good. I have sick hands. Okay. You got some Drake hands. I don't have Drake hands. I'm just joking, man. Big T. You got some Drake hands, for sure. Did work on you? What?

You know what? All right. We joked, and now we got to do it for real. Yeah. I'll do it for real. Let's get on some grass. We're not getting off the line. We're going to get some cleats, and we're going to play football as a podcast. It's going to be, you can get press coverage.

You can get jacked up online. Great content. Well, I'll be entertained afterwards. See, that happened once, and then I double moved his ass, got behind him, and then the balls just fluttered up there. Big T, you didn't get behind. I was trying to explain to you this on the field, but you were so. impressed with yourself that you were behind me that you didn't understand what I was doing

when you have somebody that you know you're faster than and can make up ground I'm playing your hip and so at that point I'm not playing you I'm playing the ball a well-placed ball I catch it no big t you know I got I got I got jaded inside on me you can't just do that you don't have a burst so in my head I'm thinking I have recovery speed so I'm playing your hip so a well-throw on ball, I'm running past you to go knock it down. I see what you're saying. I just... Do you understand? Yeah. Anyway.

You took an interesting... You did get a step on him. I was behind him. The step was that. Aaron, you have to go back and watch the film because I think the best part of that route by far was when he put the hezzi on you after he got that initial step. And he did a fake to the inside

to get you to turn your hips. And he dabbed accidentally in the middle. Like he was doing such a good head shoulders fake, that he stops and dabs to go to the inside and then releases outside your hip. And then, yeah, he did, he had a step on. He Billy didn't hit him in stride, but there was a step there. He ran the wrong route and I'd say the correct. I had it just is the one that was baiting, was baiting the quarterback by making you look open by being a step behind you when he knew he could make up that step and pick it off. You know who is, you know who's great at

that? Who? Two people. Chant Bailey. Yeah. And Dorel Revis. Derell Revis. Durel Revis. This was great. Make him look. But then... He made you look like that was open, and he just had that little burst. Yep. And then, but then what happened on the next one? Fake outside, rip back, get inside leverage on him.

Stop. Catch the ball. Turn up field touchdown. I told him to do a sit route to box you out. I had a sock phone. Which is a fair thing for the athletic ability of me and you. I told so the original route instead, him going long. I told him to run a 15-yard

stop and box you out and I just put it on you. And it would have worked. He was inside on me. Well, you're supposed to stop. That's why I had to adjust. Okay. Do you have a wide receiver just do whatever he wants? I think we got to run it back. I think we've got to run it back. Absolutely. That's the only...

There's a little turf field near here. What's your field of expertise, Big T? So if you're going to step into my domain, I'm going to up into yours like like axe throwing at a bar some shit like i've wanted to do that for so long and i still haven't i'd say i'd say getting upset about articles online that's owning owning the libs you could never own lives like bf i right me and big t we got to own the lives somehow some way speaking of speaking of speaking of speaking of fields of expertise i i competed with pft last night

in the dozen and i did say i need you to brush up on your white people, music, and movies. That's what I feel like is gonna... I feel like I could... I'm pretty good at that, too. I feel like I'm pretty good, like, because a lot of them are older. I feel like I'm pretty good with the white music

that is... Corny? No, no, no, no. That's the one I suck at. Like, like, the white music that's like... Rooted in black music. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm good with that.

I'm really good with that. Like, so, like, like the Beatles or, you know, stuff like that. It's not that old. I would say like 90s and early 2000s. That's when I, I start like, when you start doing like past Britney Spears or Christina Aguilera, Insink, that kind of stuff. That's a good era to know.

I'm not knowledgeable. I think the answer is just usually maroon five or imagine dragons. How familiar are you with, with three doors down? I know, I know Sunday morning. I got three doors down. Yeah, of course. I got Maroon 5 in. Oh, I got Oasis?

Or is that this is a song? No, that's a band. Sounds like you're very familiar with it. Today is going to be the day. They sung that, right? Wonderwell, yep. Big Man City fans. Yeah.

There we go. Yeah. Green Day, maybe. Oh, that's a good one. Yeah, okay, these are good ones to know. I don't know any green day songs. I'm lying. I know of them. I just don't like.

But white movies also. White movies. White movies. Okay. I feel like if it's the rom-com shit, I'm, hey. 10 things I hate about you, something about Mary. Let's go. Rom-coms are my shit. This is encouraging

to hear. I got rom-coms on lock. I love rom-coms. But like when it comes to like, I don't know, what else? There's just a lot of generic movies that a 36-year-old white woman would have seen that are used on that show. Pop culture in general, I'm not the best with

unless it's like hip-hop or you know urban I'm not good I'm good there's NFL every show baseball every show baseball is you

NFL I got I got NFL I got NFL and I got basketball yeah there's NBA every show right I got basketball basketball is my my shit science that's my shit if we do any science

What was our NBA question last night and Indiana Pacers Forward who made his only career All-Star team in 2004 I think

Yeah, 2004, yep Indian at Pacers I actually forget who it was I was hoping you would remember because I kind of forgot that

I know the I know the second question Hmm but that's the type of questions that they are damn that's tough is it Al Harrington? no it wasn't him i'm i'm looking it up right now i think he was still at florida though

wait was he at florida al herrington you're thinking of al howlhorford yeah al harrington was on that pacer's team it was uh uh oh neil no that was our guess you made on him uh who was it dude i don't see it on this list Antonio davis is Antonio davis no that's this way before him or is it who was it I'm trying to find out who it was because it doesn't look like it's on I don't, I have forgotten forward. It gotta be Jermaine

on now. It wasn't. Was it run our test then? No. Who wasn't? Wait. Do you have to get back to the sniper doc? We probably should because we have Give me one second. Oh, it was a little bit under an hour left. One second. Got to know who this is now though.

It can't have been 2004 because the Pacers All-Stars were Ron Artes and Jermaine O'Neill. That's what I'm saying. I mean, that was the information given to me. Maybe we have the year wrong, but it's that kind of question. And then the other one was the same but the Nets. I think it was. So, is it Kenyon Martin? So in 2012, Malo claimed that he was sexually abused by John Allen Muhammad.

There he goes. So that adds another. You're like the podcast, dad. So let's think of a better way to transition back there. But please, but hold on. I'm all four getting back on track. But you got to tell me what to answer to that question. I'm doing my best, man.

I can't find it. Well, whoa, wait. You don't put you the answer. Because in 2004, it had to be one of those too. That's what I thought too. Okay, here's 2005. That's what I'm looking at also You know, I got a timeout, I got P break

All right, Billy's taking a timeout P break Am I a P guy? Yeah, Jonathan Bender, Austin Crozier, Jeff Foster 05, Jermaine O'Neil was their only All-Star again I think it was Danny Granger It was, it was Danny Granger Oh damn, okay But you said 04 though

Was it 04? Was it, what year was it? Maybe 05, I don't know I forget what year it was Okay, it's cool I mean, yeah, I feel like I get the right year there. We'll be all right.

All right. We'll dive into that. We'll dive in some more trivia. Maybe we'll get you, we'll run back some old trivia questions that Jeff has used next week on nanodosing. How does that sound?

A little warm up. When is our, because it's me, Big T, and Maddie, when do we do that? Start soon. We might. We don't know when ours will be, but the show started this week,

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But diving back into the D.C. snipings. He is. He's a P guy. Every podcast has a P guy, right? I think Billy's ours. It's not me. It's not you. It's not Big T. It's not Avery. Mad Dog's the P. Girl. But no P.

What is he mad to get up like that? No, but she did earlier. I did earlier. Oh, I missed it. Yeah, also she's the only girl, so she would be. Yeah, I take the title. Gotcha. So diving back into the D.C. sniper, he shot some people down in Virginia, and that expanded the search.

And so now you've got the entire region in a panic. And then it was on that day when he shot the people down in Spotsylvania. That's when the entire region went crazy. That's when like lockdowns and shit started because nobody knew what to do if all the shootings were in Montgomery. it seemed like just one person going on a localized crime spree, but then once it expands to D.C., expands to Virginia, then you have, like, actual lockdowns at school going. So this is really day three of the shootings. And at this point, they cancel all outdoor sports at the local schools. All outdoor activities are canceled. Teachers start putting up newspapers, start taping newspapers to the inside of their windows in the classroom. so that if a sniper's outside, they can't see inside. They start changing where they pick up and drop off kids for the buses at school. So it's not visible from a parking lot.

They try to isolate people as much as possible. When you're at the gas station, you just end up going to your car or you end up sitting in your car and then like ducking out real quick to get the gas pump it, duck back in. Billy, I was just talking about how after like day three, that's when they change like all sports are canceled. Outdoor sports are canceled. We had we had football practice in our gym and man football coaches. That's tough. Football coaches hate gym practice. But they kind of love it because they're like this is where we're going to find out how tough you are. Yeah. I remember we practiced in our like common area one time which is like a hard rubber floor and they were they were giddy about

that there was pumped oh yeah one time like you were hitting and tackling yeah yeah we that's just irresponsible actually no but it's actually true here's the most fucked up story in pop warner we were like learning how to tackle and it was we were we had a bad game where we weren't tackling well and uh this was when we were still in camp and we played a scrimmage against another team and weren't tackling well so we had to do hitting drills and during the hitting drills guys were running out of the cones and they weren't running straight towards each other so we had to to do you soft yeah well we were we were we were in uh fourth grade why are you why are you juke and son hey let your nuts let you nuts yeah it wasn't yeah it wasn't me but basically

what they did is they made us do tackling drills in the hallway this ain't this ain't this ain't uh this ain't a deak drill now we had to do it in the hallway so we couldn't step out we could there was only one way to go there's some look bad pee wee coaches bro holy i i i remember It was my first practice, my freshman year of high school. And we did a tackling drill where they set the two cones. You got to run through the two cones. That's sort of drill. My coach put these two cones down probably like, I don't know, six, seven feet apart.

And so I'm running through the cones. And a guy's coming at me. And I do a sidestep, get around him and go through the cones. And my coach was mad at me. He was like, what the hell was that? That was candy-ass shit. I was like, I thought you told me that the point was to get to the other side of the drill. I didn't know that he just wanted us to

like he just wanted to sit back and watch us like collide in front of them so he'd be like yeah Was that Mark Schlerth? That was not Mark Schlaerth Well you know you know what LeBron did Schlerth he so I never played football for Slareth he was just my like

basketball baseball not high school coach but like you know area coach You know you know what LeBron did in a hitting drill that his high school coach told like some reporter at one time LeBron just jumped over the guy Yeah LeBron was duking them and then he was like you got to go straight and LeBron just jumped over the guy.

Yeah, coach just got pissed. But yeah, they did hate when you had to move practice inside when it was more of a case when it would be bad weather and somebody from the school. Basketball floors. Yeah, someone from the school would have to tell them you can't practice outside today. You have to practice inside. So they get pissed off about that. But then you had to Big T's point, they'd be like, okay, we're going to figure out who really

wants to play ball. Let's play inside. Just stupid high school coaches, they're fascinating to me, man. I think, like, our second or third episode, we talked about some of the craziest high school football stories. And people just sent me, if you have any good stories about your high school coach and what a ridiculous human being they were,

please send them in. Like, the one story that we told was the coach that fake getting shot in front of his team to motivate them. Remember that? And then he got fired because he took, like, the only black player on the team and made that guy pretend to be the gunman that came in and shot him

and then after that came out he was like yeah I think I got a little bit carried away with my motivation but you know what I'm gonna bang for the high school coaches I think the high school coaches are some of the better coaches

out of the whole scheme of like college like I think high school coaches are you know better than college coaches I think they actually care more for the players Defied better I think they actually care about the kids more than like the college coaches I think they actually care about like

development of men and like sending kids to college I would say they're not doing it for the money they're not doing it like i mean in fairness they also have way fewer things to worry about like infinitely fewer well anyway that's just maybe my like i don't know maybe that's just my experience i would say competent competent high school coaches can change the game more easily than college coaches can they can get more creative with it but there's also a shitload of just incompetent high school coaches across america but it comes from a

good place. Some of the time. Yeah. I had a pretty good high school coach. Two of them actually. They were really good. I had one who was a fucking piece of shit. Huh.

I was a weirdo. He deserves to be publicly out of it. I ain't going to say his name. He's in jail and shit now for cocaine and shit. This dude, so think about this, bro. Here's a funny story. Like, my dad almost fought him. This is a great story.

All right. So my pee, my, like my pee-wee football career was just unfair, bro. Like, I was like five touchdowns a game type shit, right? Just obviously dominating the field. And we had one coach that we were with the entire time until our last two years. The junior year, what they called the junior year right before they called it the senior years, we went all the way to the championship and everything's fine.

The last year, the guy that took over. was a weird. This is a dude that ended up going to jail for cocaine and shit. He stopped playing me. So, like, literally, in Little League, there's this rule where you had to play 12 plays. Like, for the guys that just weren't very good, but still wanted to be involved in the sports. So you had to, they called him 12 play players. My last year, I was a 12 play player.

Unfuck it. And everybody was like, yo, I was like, I don't know. So my dad's, like, everybody, the whole squad was like, it was just a weird thing, right? That fucking guy follows us to high school. So he's then the freshman high school coach. senior like I didn't play for some reason these is not fuck it was the weirdest shit in the world this is why I left Albuquerque it's so crazy to me to think that like you got you weren't one of the best 11 high school freshman players at your school in Albuquerque New Mexico

there's no there's without a doubt I was right it was weird it was just very weird and so and then my sophomore year I was on JV the entire year my brother was the running back he wasn't even a running back. He was really good. He was a safety and a receiver, but they didn't have any more running backs, so they put my brother in there. He played okay, but he's just not running back. They pulled my homeboy up over me, who in Little League, literally was on my team, and I used to just dog people. It was a very weird situation because that guy, that guy, followed us the entire time. So my brother got hurt that year. He broke his femur. My homeboy got hurt. They pulled somebody else up, and I'm still on JV as a assault.

They just did not like me. I don't know what it was. He got hurt. So they literally had nobody else the last three games of the season. The last three games of the season, I break the school rushing record. After the last game, I have like 270.

Huh? Season rushing yet? No, no, no. The single game. Every game I played, I broke the single game Russian record. This is funny. I heard this out.

The last game, it was like, I don't know, 300, 200, 200, yard, 280, 300, something like that. remember the head coach tells my dad we still don't think he's running back material what the fuck the weirdest shit in the world and so my dad said fuck that well in that end I was doing a whole bunch of off-to-field shit and so I moved to San Diego California and and the rest of his history but it was just the weirdest set of events that dude just had it out for me like literally I know a lot of people say that and it's like

a lot of it's your fault but he just didn't I think in general coaches don't like cats that speak out and like I was I would just say what was on my mind but not disrespectfully because you know I was still coming from a good home but it was just a funny but anyway that dude ended up going to jail for coke he was an asshole bro do you probably to this day he probably like takes credit for your career I bet you he says to people like you know who I coach in high school was arian foster I had to teach him some tough love and I told him listen I'm not going to start you just because you think you're the best I want to teach you some respect son and you know he he doesn't reach out to me to say thank you or anything so uh

that's probably like he probably i guarantee you he tells people that story he probably he'd probably say to your face if it wasn't for that adversity you'd never succeed as much as you did i bet he's such an asshole what a piece of shit set the score publishing record three consecutive games it's weird brother's a big weirdo energy uh yeah huge weirdo energy um were we off that we got to power through the rest of this we got power through the rest of this i do want to talk about lethal injection well we can we can get to that later but the so so the dc snipers they end up setting up um shop all over the dc area they shot and killed uh no they didn't kill this kid they shot a 13 year old kid kid iran brown um when he was getting off of his

school bus walking into school um and then they started leaving like tarot cards and shit behind for the police to read and leaving clues for them to say in their in their press conferences so they would give them specific phrases like indicate that you've received this clue by by using this phrase next time you talk to the media and there's something about i think killers all want to be caught because why else would you start to leave all these clues unless you're going like billy's explanation which is you're trying to get extract a ransom out of them yeah but they're leaving behind tarot cards and stuff so then people went from thinking oh is this is this al Qaeda to oh this is like a cult shit this is Satanism yeah um and I did I was guilty

of profiling too because I'll be honest once I found out that it wasn't like al Qaeda this I thought it was a white guy like this seemed it seems like most you know random serial killers tarot tarot is it tarot I thought it was tarot tarot yeah tarot taro taro is a white guy thing It's a white girl thing. Yeah. It could have been an astrology girl. It could have been a big time astrology girl. Mad dog.

I don't like you. There have been any woman. Also. They all get away with it because they know how to clean up blood. Billy! That's simultaneously like very, very disrespectful, but also kind of nice. It's kind of nice. Yeah.

It's like they're very good at being killers. No, you're just mad because all. serial like a lot of serial killers are white men that no most of most of them are most serial killers are white guys isn't it like 98% are white men or something you also have to look at the demographics like in america so there are a lot of white guys in america there's also a lot of white women though there are a lot of white women yeah but they get away with it that's the that's the glass ceiling that we need to break there there has been i think there's been like one white woman serial killer yeah uh i need to get into the

You're a serial killer. Well, you're from Cleveland. There was that one girl back in like, I don't remember the day. It was like the 90s or something like that, that she got locked up because she had HIV and was just going around sleeping with like everybody unprotected, knowingly, though. And she was like, it's not, it was, it's not necessarily a death sentence. That's like, you're trying to kill people, fam. There was box.

That's just crazy. There was Eileen Warnos. She was a female serial killer. I think she's like the most notorious serial killer that was a female in the United States at least. What does she do? She killed. I'm trying to see how many people she's killed.

I think I remember reading about her that it's not just the people that she's been caught for, but there's probably some others out there. So she was a, she was involved in prostitution and she would kill a lot of her clients. Is this what that movie Monster was made for about? Yeah, I think so. I think that movie. That was a great movie, bro.

Yeah, Charlie's Theron. Yeah, very emotional movie. That shit was wild, actually. But yeah. She wasn't, I think if it wasn't, if I remember correctly, she wasn't just out off in anybody. I think it was like, I mean, it wasn't, it's not good justification, but she had like a reasoning.

It was like dudes who were like cheating on their wives or, like, beating people or something like that. It was something like that. But yeah, you probably shouldn't kill people. either way yeah but i'd say probably not probably probably definitely not um but i still do it gets murky anyways um so they start leaving tarot cards in the woods and shit they shut down schools all after school activities my homecoming was canceled uh i know that makes it seem like damn i'm being i'm being very selfish when i talk about this but like this

this was the experience that i that i had they like canceled homecoming or delayed it uh for a while again like all sports activities were stopped people didn't really go outside at all every it's all everyone talked about it actually it it held an entire like city hostage damn for a while it was pretty crazy stuff were people investing in vests that's a good question billy i don't i think people probably were wearing bulletproof vests probably just officials yeah i don't recall there being anything in the news about people buying vests like a run on vests like after 9-11 a bunch of people who worked in high office buildings bought parishes. Some people did, yeah.

That's wild. Yeah, because they saw all those people jumping out of the building. They're like, oh, shit, if this happens to me. No, I'm not saying it's not justified. I'm just saying the fact that that is a thing. It's crazy. I remember hearing that story several times. All right, so then October 19th,

Jeffrey Hopper was shot in Ashland, and the cops finally got their big clue. They found a shell casing. And a message that was, nailed to a tree in the woods nearby. So they started to be able to figure out. Well, the shell casing what they did is they referenced an Alabama

murder, the first murder in Mobile Alabama. One of the first murders, they had fingerprints from the magazine of the gun that was used. And they traced that fingerprint to the entrance of

the immigration immigration entrance of the United States of the fingerprints of Malvo so that's how they were determined that was their first lead and big break in the case but the cool thing and they never caught them in the act but the cool thing that law enforcement did was they used their way to trap them was called

the concentric circle plan Yeah. So the law enforcement, they saw a pattern with the sniper's shootings. They realized that they were close to major roadways and that certain stores were consistent at these places. They also found out that snipers were really abreast with the traffic patterns in the area. They made sure to go to the path of least resistance. So these guys were, they knew their escape the second after they made the shot.

Because think about it, a shot takes less than a second. They're driving right after and it takes, you know, maybe 30 seconds again on a major highway and get out of there. Yeah, if you can just get to a highway. Yeah. Then you're good. It's a lot harder to get away with it if it's in, if you're deep inside of a town. Right.

There's major roads nearby, major arteries, then you can probably get away with it. And you have to think, like, these guys probably got pulled over a couple times because of the way that the drag net would ensue after a shooting, especially after the first, like, four shootings, when something would happen and the police would instantly know, okay, this sounds like another sniper case. They would set up these roadblocks nearby. I think it was called like their rapid, whatever. their rapid response was, they probably got stopped. They probably got, like, somebody probably looked into their car at some point at these roadblocks and they just kept driving because they could convert their car from being like the sniper nest in the back to putting the seat up and it looked like a normal car from the inside. And their guns and shit would be in the

trunk. So they probably got stopped a couple times because cops were, again, like me, probably thinking it was a white guy and probably thinking, okay, it's a white truck. So what they did was is they would create a trap consisting of a series of widening circles around the area. Roadblocks would be mounted everywhere with the goal of locking the snipers in a certain location. Unfortunately, the killers stayed one step ahead of the police and slipped away after every shooting. Actually, catching them was weird because they left them. They asked law enforcement to say a quote from to kill a mockingbird. Yep.

And so they followed the lead in which Muhammad R. Mowalekh. left a note at one of the shootings to tell police to investigate the liquor store robbery that occurred in Montgomery, Alabama, not mobile, sorry, Montgomery, Alabama. They found that the suspects had dropped a magazine with fingerprints on it. Then they were identified as Malvos, whose prints were on file with the immigration services. They, so then, with that identification, they then knew they were connected to Muhammad. And Muhammad's identifications showed that he had purchased a former police car, a blue Chevrolet Chevy Capri. in New Jersey on September 11th, 2002. So then they broadcasted the public that they were looking for a vehicle for that vehicle. And it led to the rest of Muhammad and Malvo when the car was spotted, parked at Interstate 70 restop in Myersville, Maryland. Yep. And they were prosecuted. The defense tried to say that he was trying to kill his ex-wife.

But in reality, it was this grand door scheme of delusion of him creating. a camp to train homeless children to terrorize the U.S. And Muhammad's was executed by lethal injection. He was given the option of electrocution or lethal injection. He said, I don't care. You choose for me. They chose lethal injection. He was offered a final statement.

He said no. And his last meal was chicken and red sauce and some cakes. Okay. This is when Malvo tried to distance himself from Muhammad say that he was totally manipulated, brainwashed. He had previously claimed that he was the trigger man on all of the killings

because he thought this would get Muhammad out of the death penalty if he never pulled the trigger and he thought that he was unable to get the death penalty as a minor. Which was not true. They still tried him as an adult but because of the influence

of him while he was a minor he then put it all back on Muhammad, said that Muhammad totally manipulated him, sexually abused him, and tried to say that he was just a victim himself and he's still in prison to this day, denied parole in 2012. Yep, denied parole.

How much do we buy that he was? He got denied parole October 30th, 2020, actually, early this year again. So, yeah, last time I looked at 2012, every 10 years. How much do we buy that he was like manipulated, sexually abused and all that stuff he was definitely manipulated I can't sure what about the sexually abused

it sounds like he's trying to I don't know I don't know I don't know because what didn't you say his original claim was that he was and this is when they was already incarcerated right his original claim was that he was the trigger man on all the shootings yeah and then when he realized

that he was getting tried at adult that's when he flipped Yeah You know what I mean it does make sense for him To try to demonize Muhammad And make himself a victim as much as you can To save his own skin

Yeah Mm-hmm So Who knows who knows But he was definitely manipulated He was like he was brainwashed for sure But at the end of the day He shot a lot of people

But if anything it's like Okay this guy can be brainwashed again And also who knows If while You know They had they had planned out the attack and everything like John Muhammad had like told him this is how it's going to happen when we get caught and you just need to tell them that you brain that I brainwashed you and he still might

be brainwashed by Muhammad who knows right I do remember I was driving into school one day and so the local radio became almost like a tip line when a shooting would happen like all the radio stations would kind of stop their programming it would just take callers and be like hey here's what's going on in this part of town it was like Twitter it was like you could get like a live update from people that were on the ground and what they saw what they thought was happening and um i remember this one dude called up elliot in the morning on dc 101 and he was talking about something he observed around one of the scenes of the shootings and uh right before he hung up he goes war on montgomery county police and hangs up right and i remember the host the

radio show were like, wait, is this, was that the sniper that just called us up? And they had his number through like, out of the caller ID. They called him back immediately. And the guy picked up the phone. He was like, did you say war on Montgomery County Police? And he goes, yeah, it's like, it's like a saying on the Jim Rome show that you say when you're happy about something, you say war, whatever, which is true. Like Jim Rome, one of his sports talk radio things would be like, you know, how Auburn says War Eagle. Yeah. He would just be like, I don't know, war chargers. And that would just mean go chargers so this guy yeah so this guy was like complimenting being like let's go montgomery you're doing a great job and he he almost got caught up as being accused to being the dc sniper

jim rome jim rome you guys in jim rome thanks clones oh no we got a clod in prison out there that's rough that's rough okay conspiracy brain okay what if what if what if Muhammad was really a government agent who was trying to radicalize Malvo to commit terrorist attacks and then blame it on Al-Qaeda and then justify the war in Iraq and it just got caught up. Interesting. Just thought. But they didn't. So he was trying to get Malvo to shoot.

So people would be afraid of. Just radicalize a person. Keep the public in fear. Yeah. And then you could sell the war to him. I mean, at that point, we hadn't gone into Iraq. yet. I mean, the second time? We had

not yet. We're starting to plan that out. We're starting to make the case of the public. The timeline lines up. And because I don't know. Just, it's historical fiction. It's probably the story they told us because

but it could have. Who knows? Who knows? Who knows? Who knows indeed? So that's the story of the DC snipers. it's not it's not unrealistic to think that maybe some guy that served in the military might be serving the military industrial complex there you go billy so this is going to be this kind of a shorter version of macro dosing today

how long was that like three hours okay pretty good just we get in we get out we give you the facts this was a fax heavy episode wasn't it and we got all of them right uh don't say three hours is a regular episode it is really crazy when i i i listen to a podcast and they get to like an hour in five minutes and they're like we've gone way over our time we'll we'll go ahead and just like and i'm just like when we get to an hour we have barely like just talked about random shit that's going on yeah we get to the hour it's you guys want to get into it yeah they're low energy low energy podcasters we're uh we're endurance podcasters we do have an exciting month coming up the next three following weeks

we have guests, one in studio. So next week is, can we tease the topic? Yeah. Scientology. Let's go. I have a lot of questions. We can get to the bottom of the slap. We got Tom Cruz in studio, baby. The answers. I wish.

Yeah, next week might actually be our last episode ever because we'll get sued into oblivion by the Scientologist. Parity love. Bitches. So if you want to listen, make sure to listen next week because you won't get any more chances. All right. We will see you guys then. Love you guys.