Macrodosing: Arian Foster and PFT Commenter - The Enron Scandal

Episode Date: September 22, 2022

On today's episode of Macrodosing, the crew goes in depth on the Enron Scandal, orchestrated by Kenneth Lay (01:16:46). You'll hear everything from the rise to the fall of the former energy company. Also, we welcome on Jake Marsh to trigger Billy over a merch competition. All of this and so much more on today's show. Enjoy!You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/macrodosing

Hey, Macrodosing listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcast, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Welcome back to Macro Dosing. It is Thursday. Matt Dog's already laughing. We've got a new special guest host right now. It's Jake Marsh. Jake, thank you for joining us on the program.

Thank you guys for having me. I really appreciate it. Yeah, no problem. Just wanted to get you on here. I know that you've doing some big things in the merch department these days. So everyone's calling you. I saw somebody say Jake Merch. Oh, I like that.

Yeah. So we're going to make sure that everybody uses the code. Wait, no, no, no, Billy, Billy, Billy, I just invited Jake to come in. Can we just get on with the episode? Billy, have a seat real quick, yes. Jake, you're fine. If you want to disincentivize me from ever doing well at my job, this is the perfect way to do it. No, you're not going to use that.

So, yeah. You're not going to use that. I'm going to use that promo code. I mean, you are getting carried, Jake. I didn't ask for this. Billy. I'm not begging anyone. No, Jake didn't ask if you're fine with winning it that way, then fine.

Yeah, of course. Billy, am I still in first? Yeah, Billy's in first place now. Great. Congratulations, but also, Jake, before you came in here, Billy was like, it's fine. I'm totally zinned out now. Like, I don't even care about this merch contest.

And I think that was a lie. Verbal meme, Tyler the creator. So that was a fucking lie. Whatever, I don't care anymore. No, you don't care. You just code Billy. If you're against foreign election, interference.

Vote code Billy. Here's the thing is Jake. Jake constantly promotes others and never asks for anything. And we need to return the favor to Jay. Just give it to him. Billy, if you entered this conversation with let's make a deal because first and second get 23.

I don't make a deal with you. I've been all morning pushing. So of I. And I'm in first by my own accord. Not using the part of my taking care. I didn't tweet from the part of my taking account. Who tweeted from the part of my take account? I don't know.

I have not begged anyone to tweet anything. You think you think, You think Jake would do that? Jake would never do that. Billy accusing me a lying is something. I love how Billy's carrying the mic stand around the room like he's like he's Anthony Keats. What?

Like a what? Like you're the singer the chili peppers. The way this is going, who are you going to text to ask what time we're recording now? You're burning your own bridge. You know what? Can we just get along with the show? We don't have to talk. I like was so zen.

second ago. I was like I don't care about the competition but now Jake's sitting in my seat and we can't start the show. My PFT's request. Yeah, at my request I invite Jake in here. Jake, we're going to talk about Inron today. Just one on field? Used to be, I love you. The Astros. I love you so much, Jake. Before Minute

Made it was Enron. Yes. That's all I know about it. That is the most pure Jake March moment. I went to the 2000 of All-Star game and it was Enron field. Yeah. Do you know anything about the company Enron? Nope. Okay. Just that sponsored the option of this old stadium.

Billy, what are you doing? You're taking. Billy's quitting the podcast because we're not promoting his music. I've been there a time or two. Billy is 14 years old. And that's being generous. No, Enron was a company in Texas.

It was an energy company. That ended up going bankrupt and collapsing. Their stock price went down tens of thousands of people lost their job. And it was like one of the biggest instances of corporate fraud. Oh, wow. in American history because what they did was they deregulated the energy markets in California. And so what you could do is you could, if you're a company that was based out of state,

you could tell power plants in California, you could buy their energy directly from them so that it wouldn't go out to the homes and the families and the businesses that need it in California. Somebody could come in from out of state, buy all that energy straight up and then redirect it to other states. So California wouldn't have any energy at all. people would lose their air conditioning, lose all the electricity in their houses and then the price of energy through supply and demand would go way up

because if you're in your house and it's 100 degrees outside you don't have air conditioning people are willing to pay 10, 20, even 100 times as much for electricity to get that electricity in their houses and so it put

like people that were working in California living in California their energy bills were like $6,000 a month people that couldn't afford it and so then what Enron would do would be artificially create that demand, and then once the price went up, finally give them the electricity, but they actually weren't, they weren't creating a product

that was useful. And it ended up actually getting the governor recalled from his job. And that's why Arnold Schwarzenegger became governor of California. Seems complex. It is a complex situation. There were strippers too. There were strippers too. We're going to get into a lot more of it. that's kind of the three-minute 30,000-foot overview. But in Ron Field, yep. In Ron Field. That's my biggest takeaway. I didn't know that.

When they were in the NL, yeah. Yep. And they had a cooler logo. That's true. That's before they were cheaters. Yeah. Ironically, their name should be in Ron now. I'm going to give Billy his seat back on code Jake.

promo code Jake. Thank you, Jake. 10%. 10% off. Thank you. Thank you for joining us. Thank you for having me. Thanks, gee.

That was fantastic. what a good start to today's episode today's episode Billy do you know what it's brought to you by Jackasses Today's episode It's brought to you by jackasses Um no today's episode

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Going to have to get back into the barn soon. Go to MSG, go to the Mecca, check out some more hockey. I'm going to MSG tonight. Let's go. It's at MSG. Harry Styles. else if you want to get close to game time or to harry styles use game time billy do you want to finish up this ad read i'm distracted what have you used game time for recently oh i'm going

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Not with game time. Not with game time. Get in the door for less. That's what they say. Especially if you use code macro. Code macro, 20 bucks off, your first purchase. So about that Aaron Judge thing. Those kids.

That is the worst trade deal. Wait, wait, no. I want to hear what he has to say, but those kids are dumb. Okay, yeah, we can get to the kids in a second. second. I was going to say you weren't going to go for the kids yet. No, I was going to say like he plays in a Mickey Mouse Stadium. Okay. Well, yeah. I mean, you could say that, but like Fenway's a Mickey Mouse Stadium. There's a lot of Mickey Mouse stadiums for sure. Yeah, but it's the most Mickey of the Mouse stadiums. Is it? Yeah. For sure. The launching pad?

I don't know. I'm in the middle of a deep dive right now to figure out I'm using that Wooded Dong Twitter account. Do you know that one? Yeah. So every home run that's hit, I bet Big T's a big fan of the Wood at Dong. Love it. Yeah, it's a great... There's nothing worse than when someone on your team just rips one to like dead center

and it's called at the wall and it's like, this was a home run in 29 of the 30 ballparks. Yep, yep. So that's what it does. It measures every home run and it tells you based on the dimensions of the field that it was hit on

if it would have gone out of the park in other Major League Baseball stadiums and if so, how many of the 30 stadiums. So I'm going to go back, do a deep dive on Aaron Judge's home run count and see exactly how many were assisted by the Mickey Mouse ballpark that is the new Yankees. In fairness, his numbers

are inflated. Obviously, it's a shorter ballpark than most. But at the same time, it's like his numbers are way more than anybody else's. They're also giving him and Albert Pujol's juice balls. Yeah, so, well, only those two are getting them. Okay. I was at...

Is that what we're saying? I was in St. Louis several weeks ago when the Braves were there and Pujols hit a ball that was, I mean, a routine pop-up to shallow left field that kept carrying and carrying and carrying it was caught at the warning track but it was i i couldn't believe it they're giving them juice balls i'm sure of it yeah um they might be i think for pooholts yes for erin judge i think it's steroids could be okay let's just talk about it i actually can't be genetics no i actually don't think that it's steroids but i i want to get those takes

how come nobody has had that take yet about erin judge because he because he's been that big for too long yeah i know he's just a big guy it's like one of those things where it's like you look at him in middle school and it's like that guy wasn't doing steroids in middle school so according to billy's official stance on erin judge you are the steroid expert he's natty he may have put on a lot you said natty yeah he's natty okay um for those of people out there that might not know what natty means what is that natural not doing roids yeah what about you can tell because he's he's not coordinated okay like he's hitting baseball's 450 feet But he's not, no, no.

Like, if you, you can just tell that he's, like, he's built like Miles Garrett. Okay. Like, it's that kind of build. Just a big boy. Yeah. Just a big boy. Yeah. Um.

Oh, wow. This is kind of crazy. The very first one that pops up. I just did Woodett Dong Aaron Judge search. Uh, June 15th. The very first one that pops up, Aaron Judge versus Shane McClanahan. Home run. Exit velocity, 104.1 miles per hour.

Projected distance, 364 feet. This was a home run at Yankee Stadium and nowhere else. Interesting. So that's one that shouldn't count. I'll be going on a deeper dive exploring his many, many home runs. And we'll get back to that. We'll give him an updated. I'd like to see what's the least friendly hitter's ballpark?

It just shouldn't count. It just shouldn't count. it went out of the ballpark it shouldn't count probably Detroit that's what you're saying Detroit San Diego is not up there anymore right they change the dimensions I think in San Diego that used to be like the worst one for Ryan to hitters now it's probably Baltimore too oh yeah they they raised the wall but I think Detroit is huge and there's no real reason for it like Coors is huge but it's because there's no there's no air resistance yeah but yeah I think it's probably Detroit okay so I'm going to do a projection on what Aaron judge actually

would have hit had he played in a real ballpark like Camerica got it Yankee Stadium isn't a real ballpark not a real people don't pay to go there no and don't use game time to make Mickey Mouse yeah got it mouse you go to Orlando city field too is really big city field is big yeah that pissed me off when a Coon you hit that ball oh straight away center field I'll never forget that probably like 4004 feet it was it we all bet Ronald did a home run and he just destroyed a ball like I said earlier on the like dead center I actually remember the expected bad average was a thousand

meaning there had never been a ball hit with that exit velocity and that far that wasn't a hit. Yep. Only for us. We already won a collective like three grand. Arrian put $200 on it. He was going to win like $900. Sucks.

That is tough. I am starting to dive deeper into the metrics right now and I'm seeing that this might this might not be a case of Mickey Mouse entirely. Yep. not entirely makes sense it's a real ballpark you it's Mickey Mouse what the kid not taking money and saying you wanted nothing because of how much Aaron judge is given to the organization that was bad so his 60th ball yeah 60th home run it gets caught by like a group of kids somehow it was weird so

if you watch a video in slow-mo it bounces it I think it hit the top of the bullpen and it bounced like far left and the kid actually it hit somebody and came right back to him and he caught it and there was a huge dog pile, but he wasn't even in the dog pile. He actually grabbed it and jet it out of there. So he, so people who were under the dog pile thinking the ball was there, he was already gone. He already went up to bleachers. You know what had been hilarious if you dropped a fake ball to distract. If you wrote not the actual judge ball on it, then just threw it. Yeah. So that they would know. I'm just glad Zach Hample didn't get it, but what if we would be smart if you just pretended yours was the ball and they had no way of

telling if you like put the MLB mark on it i think they do have a way i think at this point when it's balls like that they're uh i said they're using juice balls i think they do use specially marked balls because i remember a rod's 3,000th hit had a little mark on it they were switching them every at bat yeah i think they do i don't know if they were doing it for this one but they do at some points do that yeah they do uh it but if you were to just try to exchange it to the team. The team might not have the authenticators right there all the time, right? No, they do.

They do. They do. They have one in the dugout. They do, okay. In case it's like somebody's debut and they get their first hit, they send it right in there and there's a guy who like puts a sticker on it and everything. Okay. I didn't know that. But yeah, so these guys, they traded it in and they just said thanks to Aaron Judge for everything he's done for the organization. They gave him autographed baseballs.

What has he done for the organization? Just curious. In two months, he might leave. Yeah, what has he done? I'm just curious. I mean, like, he's obviously carried the team for a lot of his time. I mean, he's been hurt a lot. What has he carried them to? Nothing, nothing, like, of substantial. So, yeah, I guess not really that much.

This has been his really one true healthy year that he's absolutely dominated, but he hasn't, like, carried. Yeah, he's been a decent player who this year became a great player because he's played the whole season. Correct. Okay. He has the intangibles, but he's also 30 years old, and he's probably going to get 400 million.

the Yankees really fucked up the Yankees offered him seven years, 213 million before the season started. In fairness, nobody saw this coming. But that's also an insulting offer to a guy who's like been with your organization forever and like...

$30 million a year? $2.13. Now he's going to get way more than that now, but... Mm-hmm. What if the Nats signed him? Oh, my God. That'd be so cool.

But those kids, I would have left with the ball and said y'all can negotiate with me later but i'm not doing anything tonight yep i'm gonna sleep on it but even if you just so well i would have sold it but even if you just negotiate with the team i mean they'd go you could have for sure gotten tickets to every playoff game no question probably season tickets next year any autograph stuff you want like and they trade it for like a couple autographed baseballs it's insane or you could have gotten probably 50 grand Yeah, that's bad negotiating, to say the least on their part. Big T's right. You get that ball, you go home.

Yeah, I'm not doing anything. It's another Tom Brady situation. Yeah, exactly. Then you put somebody in between you and the team and say, please discuss with my representative. And you don't do the negotiation yourself. You don't even have to have a representative. It could be like Big T. Yeah. Yeah. It could be a fake email account that you set up. Exactly. Make somebody up like John Barron. Yeah. The guy that Donald Trump made up, right? And be like, yeah, talk to my, he's my representative. He does all my deals for me. me and then you also write back from that email address. But I'm not going to, I'm not holding anything against these kids. It's not the decision I would have made. I think it's still cool that they did that. Like you can make whatever decision you want, but they probably could have gotten a lot more money from it.

That's all. And even if you didn't want money, like if you really did want to give it back to him, then get all that shit. Playoff tickets, all that. Did they get to meet Aaron Johnson? I'm sure they did. They take a picture with them.

That's cool. Also, all right, in this case, though, it's number 60 that's not that important of a ball. It is. It's not that important. Ties Babe Ruth. Ties Babe Ruth. But the second he hits number 61 and 62 and 63. Well, it's like that was the same thing with McGuire and

Sosa that you're like when they got to 60 that was the biggest and then all the way up to. 63 is the big one I think. 63 is the one that could go for like substantial. Why three? Well, that passes everybody. That passes everybody that he's. 62 is the one. Oh, Roger Marriss is 61. Right. I'm actually surprised that so many people now are saying that like, because Bonds hit, what, 70? Yep. And the trend lately has been like, who gives a fuck that Barry Bonds did? He was the best, this, that, and the other. And now everybody's acting like 61 is the real home run record. It's the Yankee record. Right. That's why they care so much about it because it passes Roger Maris and that record stood around for a long time. Then we've kind of washed out completely. McGuire, Sosa, Barry Bonds. Now, recent, Recently, yeah, I think people have come around and Barry Bond's been like, yeah, he's the best to ever play the game. But, and so if he does hit 71, which he won't.

He can't get there. But if he did, if somebody did hit 71, then that would be the big ball. But at this point, I do think that, like, 62 is a pretty big deal, and then whatever he ends up at will be a big deal too. You ever seen the movie, 61? Billy Crystal. Was that a Billy Crystal joint? I think he directed it.

Good movie. Does this ball lose in that? value is more balls are hit. Yep. Yeah. Billy, we need some more ball law on this one. Oh, yeah. That kid had no right to that.

No, they, so in baseball, they made it that the ball was no longer the team's property because it was a liability if they owned it because then they could be sued. So I just tapped out of the conversation ADD-wise. It's okay. Are you still mad? No, I had to zen out. I'm not mad, it's just that I, like, I'm, I'm, what I'm going to do with the money is I'm going to put it a bet all the money on one game. And then if it wins, I'm going to give all the winnings from that bet to charity.

Oh, okay. So, I mean, if you want to line Jake's pocket or donate to charity, like that's why, you know, that's why I'm winning. When did you decide to do that? I've tweeted it two hours ago. Wait, but even if you won, you'd still be lining your pocket, but you'd be giving the winnings to charity as well, right? you'd be like taking the whatever the 15 but you're just giving that well it's going to be a live stream yeah yeah but your your pockets are still being lined right he's still getting the money 100% every you don't get it no no no no no I don't do it 25 or 15 I thought I think said it was 25

then if he wins his bet then he's going to give the double of the money to charity right but you're still gonna yeah yeah yeah got it I mean it it's everyone wins everyone win unless we lose but it would be a great live I mean I'm literally I'm literally creating content charity and lining your own pockets

but we're just lining Jake's pockets in your case so if you want to promote that go for it but anyway has anybody seen the New Hampshire Libertarian Party the stuff they've been posting because it is hilarious I just want to play I have seen it yeah have you seen the commercial

um is it no I just think it's interesting that Billy came up with this the charity gambling thing aspect after I started to promote Jake's links. No, I promoted. It was one of the first things I did. It's in a video. Yeah, I saw 10, 1034. Do you know how many emails I sent this morning? I sent 5,000 emails this morning. So you have a

list, or you click send 5,000 times? I actually have, you can only wait, wait, here's a question. I clicked it 10 times because you can only send 500 emails at a time. And I did that. So you sent 10 emails? No, but you understand how much caught, like, to 5,000 recipients. You know how much work?

it had taken me to develop like I'm just saying like whatever it doesn't matter if he wins like you guys carried him over and it's a Mickey Mount like but like you know what I'm taking I'm taking a step back I'm in the scheme of things my life is good

I don't need that I'm fine this is a bubble championship I'm over competitive and it's coming out and I don't like bullshit so it pisses me off but we're here we're chilling let's talk about the New Hampshire Libertarians who are hilarious.

It is funny to think that that like somehow Dave's idea or Hank's idea who's ever it was of the Merchapalooza it's working right now because

this is exactly what they wanted. This is just what they wanted was for somebody like Billy to take it very personally and to get upset. Sorry I'm good at my job. God damn. I don't even know where to start.

My weaknesses, I work too hard, I care too much Sometimes I hit someone with my car See and every time I care I get disincentivized And then when people get pissed off at me Billy this is not just

You're winning right now I know but it's never enough Billy's mad That's what separates the great ones All right listen to this commercial Billy's mad that I'm promoting Jake And I've no I've never done anything

To help Billy out before They're talking about you And people Coming over our border into our home. Is that me? To destroy what we believe in. They're talking.

This is not New Hampshire. Addicts. People of Massachusetts that don't share our values of liberty, property rights, and voluntary interactions. One of the most dangerous drugs that makes it over this border, destroying the lives of many children. What's voluntary? One called CRT. What's voluntary? Voluntary

interactions. ...dicts feeling guilty just because of their race. They may be taking this dangerous drug. We need to build a wall. Calling on all Mexicans and Canadians that want to end taxes and the drug war

and think guns should be legal to get to New Hampshire by any means possible. Get here illegally. I'm cool with that. I don't care about that. And we are going to make Massachusetts pay for them. to build a wall. Am I inviting all Mexican drug cartels to come here? Absolutely not. What kind of drugs do they have? What is their policies on legal machine guns? Are there drugs any good? These are the

kinds of questions that our immigration policy needs to be asking. It's really make you lose it. I went to the other side. I went to a market basket in Massachusetts, and I saw a three-year-old wearing a mask and that's the kind of stuff that's the way these people live on the other side of this border so much time people from Connecticut you suck too all right we don't talk about that enough to shithole state those commies in Massachusetts they don't belong here Canadians and Mexicans get here and then send the commies back to where they came from I'm Jeremy Kaufman, and if you're out there, please translate this message into Spanish. No way.

I love that. So aren't those guys the same guys that we talked about a couple months ago that tried to privatize all their schools? They tried to do the Big T method. And all the parents in New Hampshire were like, what the fuck is going on? How come we have to pay? They started to have to pay like thousands of dollars to send their kids to public schools. And then the buses weren't running. and then they had to kick the entire party out of their town.

Wasn't that the same party that did that? I have no idea. Wait, let me look that up. It sounds like it might have been. But those, yeah, it's a funny commercial. It's hilarious. I love how they're like, this is another one of their tweets. Who's more of a threat to your New Hampshire way of life?

Carlos from Mexico, who happily works 12-hour days for $15 an hour laying concrete, or Janet, the liberal arts major from Massachusetts, who doesn't believe in inflation, masks her childs, and boasts her gun control. They were literally talking about if the cartel can come, If they like, you know, free, if they have good drugs, they enjoy the right to bear arms, it was just hilarious. Isn't masking your child, though, your own child? That would be a pro-libertarian stance, right? Yeah, probably.

Yeah. Yeah, libertarians are an interesting bunch. They're very good at trolling people. Very. Very good. That also may have been Jeremy Coffin, I think, might be a comedian. okay so we know we don't actually know if that's real or no it is real he's not he's not a comedian he's a built yeah he's a future senator from new hampshire yeah he's actually he's going for it

he's going for it okay he wants massachusetts to pay for it um so are you going to move to massachusetts and then try to sneak over the border um to new hampshire yeah well they do you think that okay so Are those people in that commercial? Uh-huh. Do you think that they want billies? No. I went to a liberal arts school. They don't want me.

You're indoctrinated. Yeah. I'm a big lib. Okay. To them. Yeah, New Hampshire. I went to a liberal art school in Massachusetts. I'm exactly who they don't want.

New Hampshire is a very weird state, isn't it? Oh, it's great. It's like the most unique state, low-key. I have cousins up there, and every 4th of July, we go to their lake, and we just blast off fireworks, and it is sick. and then we got never mind what

we're not allowed to do fireworks anymore wait you aren't like a rule from your parents are just like it's illegal no no we had an incident where basically turned a certain age where we started drinking and doing fireworks and then it got out of control okay

again I'm asking you did did your parents tell you that you're not allowed to do fireworks Or is this a law that's been imposed? We were like, hey, we shouldn't do this anymore. Oh, you guys said it to yourselves. You're self-governed. We self-governed.

Okay. Yeah. It got too real for a second. Well, you know how they come to those boxes? Yeah. Well, one of the boxes, for some reason, we shoot it out on a raft. Uh-huh. We'd, like, float a raft out, then set them off the raft, and then we'd, like, paddle

away in a canoe. But then one time the box shot off one, and then like a wave hit, and it, flipped on its side and then just started shooting fireworks at the shore and we had to like duck in the water and it was like holy shit this is like we're getting like blasted at and it was it was one of the most

wild experiences and funniest things ever but like funny now that nothing bad happened but at the time we're like holy shit we're going to burn the house down but it was sick that does sound kind of sick I've uh I had a bad bottle rocket experience one time

I don't think you're really a kid unless you have a bad bottle rocket experience We were just shooting at each other in a field one time. That's basically the bad experience. Do you ever use the M80s? I have blown up, what I blow up? Like a watermelon, I think, one time with an M80. So M80s ground exploding, a fireworks aren't legal in New Hampshire, but they're legal in Pennsylvania.

And they're like literally quarter sticks of dynamite. Yeah. So one time I was camping in Pennsylvania and we were using the M80s to fish. statute of limitations and I'm a minor but we caught a huge it's illegal but we were young and we didn't really know what we were doing

because we threw one in the lake it exploded and then a fish came up and we were dynamite fishing basically that sounds ethical not ethical what's a game warden that said about that didn't catch us okay well that that's Billy on fireworks

that's Billy's blast off and it'll be a weekly segment have you guys ever done fireworks I like how Billy refers to it like it's heroin You guys ever do fireworks You ever done fireworks? I bet Aryans I bet Aryans done fireworks You guys are lame

I mean They weren't legal in Ohio to buy You probably were too supervised as children I was I'm going to New Hampshire I was extremely supervised I didn't drink until college You think I was doing fireworks

Wait you didn't have your first drink until college Yeah What was it like? I think I had a couple of tips Of like a Long Island iced tea And I was just like Whoa. You were totally a nark in high school.

No, I was. Well. Yeah. I wasn't a narc, but I would sit there and make sure everyone was okay. That's good. Yeah. You're being a helpful friend. Yeah.

I mean, I was terrified of alcohol. I thought, my perception of alcohol was like you had a sip and you were drunk. I didn't realize there was like a scale to it. Yeah, there's a whole process behind it. Yeah. I know now. When did you have your first drink, Billy? Wait, let me guess.

I bet Billy's dad let him try Guinness when he was nine. That was way too accurate. What is it? It's exactly that. Are you serious? Yeah, that's like really fucking weird, dude. That's really fucking weird. I read you like a fucking book on that one.

That is really weird. You seem like a... That was way too specific. Wait, was it actually nine? It was nine. Was it your dad? Yes. And was it Guinness?

Yes. Oh, shit. All right. Um, fuck, big tea I know this. But you, you know, you knew that was like a cultural thing. The age was the right. The age was the right.

Well, I didn't know. I just know you pretty well. The, I may have mentioned nine before. No, yeah. You, I don't think you've ever told me that, but that's a cultural thing. It is a cultural thing. It's like milk. Amongst the footballs.

It makes you strong. All right. Big tea, you had your first drink. Uh, wait, it depends what you mean. On purpose, I was like 23. I was doing a thing where I was going to guess it exactly Oh

Okay well That was by my own volition One time I was like 18 it was probably like the summer Between my senior high school and freshman year of college I was at a movie with my friends And they had brought in tequila Because they're degenerates

And they bought like a high sea To mix the tequila in And they were like drink some of this because we don't want it full, but they had already put the tequila in it. Got it. It wasn't that terrible. But then, yeah,

then I didn't actually drink until I was like 23. Okay. I was not going to get that one. What made you decide to drink? I was going on dates when I lived in New York, and I was just sick of, like, girls wanting to go to bars and me being like, I don't drink.

It was just annoying. Yeah. I could understand how that would be a challenge. So I, yeah. So I still don't drink. like very often maybe like once every couple months but if you're trying to meet somebody and I think most people in their 20s when they think of a first date they like to have a couple drinks yeah get a little looser so it was just a convenience thing more than anything

else yeah that makes sense um Avery you were 15 and your dad let you have a beer at Thanksgiving. Nope. Fuck. What is it? You don't know. I don't know. Because you blacked out.

Maybe. When was yours? PFT? Mine was... Actually, mine's not that much different from Billy's. My mom let me have a beer when I was... No. It was actually not my mom.

I had my first beer was a corona when I was 13 at my friend's house and his sister bought them for us Corona extra who's sick is a great time honestly don't even remember I got a there's definitely a picture of it for sure wait you took a picture of your first your first like someone took a picture of me having I have a I have a whole camera like photo shoot the first night I drank mad dog that's so crazy I took a mirror Pick with the Bud Light, I was on fire. December 2nd, 2015. To defend, so I

had that beer when I was nine, but probably the next time I had a, like, an actual, like, the first time I got drunk was like, like, like, probably, like, 13. Okay. Like,

like, not just like a, oh, you can have a beer on the holiday. Like, the first time I was, like, got after it. first time you got after it was when you're 13 got it okay um what's okay let's let's do a different combo somewhat similarly related what's the what's the jankiest combo of alcohol and mixture you've ever had like big tea was talking about tequila and high sea that's pretty janky i'd say but we've all done some janky stuff in our day i did um freshman year of college my favorite mixer was dr pepper and comchata what's comchata shitty shitty shitty

alcohol like shitty vodka comchatta comchatka it's like the the city and stranger things that he's banished to it's not rum chata no shitty k we called it five

five loco it was a shot of ever clear and five hour energy that is insane it literally it was the person who introduced us to it died no I did one I was like I'm not taking another one like that is going to kill you

I'm just going to go back to drinking beer so then but then one guy I was with took like five he just blacked out and we had to we just wheeled them around their wheelchair uh because we at the place we were at it was like a like a motel and they had wheelchairs in the back so we just like we're wheelchering this guy around yeah you take five shots of that you should call the police on yourself yeah that night is not going to end well it's a terrible idea nobody out there try that i'll be honest like we did it a ton in college, but thinking back, it's so disgusting, like Smearnoff and Gatorade. That's horrible.

That's a, that's the go-to, though. But it's disgusting. That was honestly going to be mine, too. Yeah. We used to do that a lot because it's like you get rid of the hangover before you get it. Right. And it was so distinguishable, too, like, nobody really, you're just drinking Gatorade, but it was so gross.

The problem with that is every time you have a Gatorade from that point on, you're going to think that you taste the vodka in the background. Yeah. It's going to remind you that, Baca. It's going to be bad. Mine is, well, mine was going to be that one, but also Mountain Dew and Tequila. I like to make a little. I loved doing that.

Yeah, it's actually, it's the trailer park Margarita. Yeah. And I made this over at fights when he did Friendsgiving a couple years ago in 2020. Went over there. Casey was over there. A few other people were over there. And we were, Nate, I think, stopped by and ended up just Irish goodbyeing everybody and left his girlfriend there. that was nice.

We brought over tequila, and preferably nice tequila, Mountain Dew, and then you get the Cool Ranch Doritos that you crumble up into a little dust and you use that as the rim around the glass. It was fantastic. I didn't have a teed off,

but you have just inadvertently led me to one. Let's go. The term Friendsgiving. Okay, yeah, I know. It makes me want to die. The term Thanksgiving already encompasses, is you can give thanks for your friends. There is no need to change that word.

No, but Big T, like, it's for when you come back from college and see your friends for the first time in a long time. I was using it. I was using it in terms of... I know. I'm not mad at you. It was... I hate the word.

It was the pandemic. And so I couldn't go visit my parents who were a little bit older. So I didn't want to get them sick just in case I was asymptomatic. So he stayed in New York City. And it was a bunch of people that didn't go to visit their parents because the pandemic again yeah i'm not mad at you for going i no i'm mad that i just dislike the word giving i'm getting very defensive because i know that's a shitty term and i apologize for that no need to apologize i defend frank friends giving i love it's actually

a very like big t have you ever gone to a friend's giving uh no hmm we can have a friends giving no we can have a a a dose giving There does need to be more of a, like, we should eat Thanksgiving food besides just on Thanksgiving. I'm going to be out of the country on Thanksgiving. You think they do it big in Qatar? I doubt it. No? You probably can get killed for celebrating.

It's going to be a fun time. It's going to be me and Donnie doing Thanksgiving together over in the Middle East. How long are you all there? I'm going to, so it's tricky because of time zones. Oh, my God, you just reminded me. I had a dream. Okay. we're going to get to Billy's dream in a second

but Big T to answer your question I think I'm leaving on like a Tuesday afternoon and because of time zones I'm not getting there until like Wednesday afternoon and then I'm flying back on Saturday morning and I'm landing on like Saturday afternoon here Oh so you're only there for a couple days Yeah just there for a couple days are you there for a USA game

Yeah it's gonna be USA versus England Oh that's sick yeah gonna stick it right in the Queens never mind never mind you shouldn't she just died she just died nobody watched the funeral

did you see that oh really no ratings I think it was because she was woke it was 28 million which was less than those four

no no no that was the estimate worldwide it didn't get that high in England the estimates were I forget in the 30s or something

but only 28 million people in England watched it which was less than the Euro 2020 final Rip Bozo So the Lizzie The Lizzie in the box That's where our name is El Elizabeth

Facts You know why So I figured out which chant That they were mimicking We are fucked We are fucked We are really fucked When they're like losing

Okay That's the chant That they're making Missy in a box In a box Lizzie in a box It's such a funny chant Dude I was in a

I saw some Irish guys chanting it In a bathroom of a bar last weekend and it's just so catchy yeah it is it's not funny but it is like when they do like a moment of silence and then just one guy's like

Lizzie's in a box there was another one where they did they asked for a round of applause for the queen and then the fans started to chant like clap your hands if you're glad Lizzie's dead I saw that

if you're happy Lizzie's dead clap your hands yeah And meanwhile, all the players on the field were already giving like a round of the plot. David Beckham showed out, though, for the queen. I got to tell you, I don't think there's a thing in this world I'd stand in line for 13 hours to do. Not one. Hmm. Hmm.

Tennessee National Championship game. I, like, like, to go into the game, the line is 13 hours. 13 hours, yeah. Now, they're port-a-potties. But you don't know if they're going to win. I don't think so, man. I'll watch. For them to win.

No, but see, that's not a thing. I know. It's not possible. It's not like if you wait in line for 13 hours, you get $10 billion. It's to go to, and you have to wait 13 hours to go to it. What if it's like, there's a thing? What if it's like you're going to die and you have to wait 13 hours in line for, like, the cure? Again, that's not what we're talking about.

Let's say they release a new COVID that just, like, ensures you die. and they are like common like you know they're cutting down but the only people who can live are the ones who get the Microsoft X-Fizer collab vaccine okay then obviously yeah big t would you wait in line if there was a disease that was as contagious as COVID except it killed 50% of the people out there that got it and they had a vaccine would you wait in line for 13 hours for the vaccine probably not Just take your chances. You round up 50% to the nearest toll.

That's 100% survival rate, brother. And if it was 50%, I'd take a vaccine. I would get the vaccine if you could get it to me and not have to wait in line for 13 hours. That is 500 times more deadly than what COVID was recorded. Mm-hmm. How many people died of COVID? I think it was like a million.

Still a lot of people. Well, it depends if you're trusting the official numbers or not. I'm trusting Big T's numbers. I know you did a count. You did a pretty thorough analysis. I definitely believe how many were on your spreadsheet. I definitely believe a million people died with COVID. Yeah.

And compared to how many people die in America a day. Well, if you look at it. So I did do a little bit of research on that about a week ago and saw that. What do you mean? I was just Bobby Schmerter's song. Oh, okay. I saw that the life expectancy in America took a pretty big dip over the last couple years. Yeah.

Overdoses. During the lockdown. Yeah. They have the exact amount. They have the exact amount of overdoses that they can put in there and let you know. I'd like to see what you do count. I'd like to see what you're looking at. Because everyone that died of COVID was in their 80s.

There was a couple younger people. Yeah, one or two. Not enough to affect the U.S. life experience. Oh, yeah, for sure. You know how many people died? Like, excess deaths over normal in the last two years have been way higher. Okay, send me this. That's probably the best metric because I do agree that.

There, you can't get a straight number from a lot of mainstream sources. I agree with that because it's starting at the beginning of the pandemic, there was no, they weren't separating with and because of at all. And there are also, but I understand why because sometimes you can have COVID and that can cause something else in your body to go wrong. But think about this. And then you die of that. So I understand why they didn't necessarily always separate it.

But there definitely were some cases where it was like, okay, this person died of a completely unrelated thing but had COVID so that number gets tossed in too and that's kind of bullshit but the way the speed at which things were happening was tough to be able to sort all those out in real time so think about this pfd so let's say you have an uber score right and you always are plagued to the uber driver and you get five stars five stars yeah and then one time you're getting an uber when you're drunk on the way back from the bar a sloppy night and you puke in the uber and then you get zero stars your five star rating is going to go down like no matter how many rides you have it's going to go down exponentially so if you have a bunch of you know life

expectancies what is it 72 in the u.s 78 78 79 a bunch like 78 78 78 and then you have a bunch of 20 year olds teenagers and 30 year olds die yeah of suicide opioids effects of the lockdown that's going to set it down way more than a bunch of people dying at 75 80 60 so I mean statistically those younger deaths are going to impact the average life expectancy way more than all the deaths from up above like all the older deaths but not if there's a shitload of deaths of people in their 60s which there were right but that's going that's going to bring it down but statistic but yeah but the combo yeah of course that there's like do you have the numbers of how many people in their 20s committed suicide in 2020 and overdose deaths because it's it probably I know it was a lot and I don't

to minimize those more it was more than normal and so in the opioids where I wrote tons of papers on the opioid crisis in college and we were on a decrease until my junior spring when we all got locked down and then they bumped up to 2016 levels which was like the height yeah so let's see in 2020 and 2021 14.9 million excess deaths it's a lot anyway you know what we should wait whoa wait explain to me what excess deaths means okay uh because a million people in the u.s died of covid right total right what does that mean excess deaths so this is this is worldwide okay do just u.s i'm trying to find that you know what joe bain said the pandemic's over so it's over just start moving on it'll be over when it's politically expedient for well he just said it's over

if biden says it's over the libs can't keep keep going with it said in the same interview he said it was good that we had 8.5% inflation yeah so he needed something to deflect um what else okay i tell you about my dream yes so i had a dream that uh we got invaded by the russians black don's uh red dawn style and uh like we had to like get inspiration from like the uh afghan taliban to like try to fight them back so we were like how like how do we like they beat the americans like they drove out the americans how do we beat drive out the russians we use the same principles and then i had this like then this one dude came up because you know how we're talking about uh make your own stories qanon so this one dude hijacked all the qunners

it was like yo if you like do suicide bombings you're going to get your own playboy mansion in heaven with JFK Jr. And that was like the way we made extremist Q&O's suicide bombers to beat the Russians. Wow. So you're going to get 72 Playboy buddies in your own Playboy mansion in heaven. And it worked. Incredible. Yeah.

But it was really sad. Incredible. But like that's a way you could make a radical QAnon group. I've got a quick question for you guys. A little trivia question here. anybody care to take an estimate as to how many ants there are on earth oh I know the biomass is more than humans

yeah you're right like I think if all the humans in the world were just like blended up and put in a cube you could fit that cube over Central Park I think there's a graphic of that but I think that one of ants it would be a hilarious cube yeah I think the one of wait wait what color would it be

pink slime it'd be pink pink slime I think it might maybe a little more more like gray like no no pink slime bro think about all the blood everything's red yeah but it would be darker more towards brown there's a lot of stuff that we have inside her body that's not red though no but like everything's red no no you're just thinking about the blood the stuff that's red in our body is only red because of the blood right so what happens we blend it all up so there's a lot of parts that don't have blood in it but it's still but it's all

blended up with blood still so it would like all the blood is still there i think it'd be great You know that the spleen, it would be pink slime. That's what I'm saying. It wouldn't be blood red. It would be pink slime. I want to guess how many ants. It's got to be an absurd number. I think the ants is like a cube the size of New York State as opposed to the to the cube over Central Park.

I don't know, like, I don't know in cube form. I know. So if there's eight billion people and the mass of the ants is that much larger than humans, then you have to take that, how many ants would make up a human? I don't know the answer to that one. There's definitely more ants. But ants have had a huge come up recently because they just, they did a study. The National Academy of Sciences published a brand new study about this. And it surprised them.

So the person that wrote the study said that this was much, much larger than they had previously estimated. The previous estimation. I want to guess. Answer back. Answer back big time. Uh, my official guess is that there are 17 trillion ants. I think it's way higher than that. I think it's like in the quadrillions.

I think it's probably like seven to 10 quadrillion. So the previous estimate was between one quadrillion and 10 quadrillion. Oh, okay. I way undershot it. I thought that sounded like too much, though. We got 20 quadrillion ants on Earth. So that's, that's 20,000. trillions. Actually, that's not true in one continent.

Jeez. What do you mean? What? There's not more ants than humans on one continent. Right. Antarctica. Yeah. There's no ants in Antarctica. The only continent without ants. There might be a couple.

I bet you that there's a fucking ant farm. One of those nerds brought an ant farm down there. And all it takes is one. I know. All it takes is one. If they bring. There's one ant farm. If they bring one ant farm down there, then the ants. It's way too goddamn cold. One freaking, one freaking draft is going to kill all the ants. Yeah. You know they're all bundled up in there?

Do you know how many crimes have been committed? We already, we had an episode on this, right? About all the crimes that were committed in Antarctica that we just don't, that no one really followed up on because it's just like, yo, dude, they're locked, they're... Can't prove anything. Yeah. Snowblind. Can't prove it.

Won't get a jury. Can't have a jury of your peers. If you can't... What is it? there was one um there was one place in north america i want to say it was in wyoming or idaho it was known as the death zone oh yeah because there was no jurisdiction in which to find a jury of your peers so if you had if you had killed somebody on that property you could never be held liable for it we were talking about that in the lapaglia case uh remember

we talked about it on the yeah yeah brian chicken fry no no who's the girl if if brianne chicken fried strangles one of her simps to death after they request her to choke them out um you can't be prosecuted for it right no who is the girl gabby patito oh yeah yeah and brian laundry laundry so yeah i i mixed up a last name that was italian with a so it's very racist do you billy i know uh no but we were talking like do we think we were talking about how he thought brian those before they found her might have taken her there, but that loophole was closed because a guy killed an elk in that area just to, like, illegally to close a loophole. He thought he was doing his service to the Supreme Court. Yeah. Imagine. Anytime somebody has a big idea of how to like up in the judicial

system, they're always going to end up going to jail. That's, that's kind of how things go. Yeah. It's like, no, your honor, that flag doesn't have the yellow tassels on it. This is a farce of a court you need to try me in a maritime in a maritime setting i actually i love those um the sovereign citizen people we should do an episode about them have you heard about them billy you're kind of low-key sovereign citizen yeah where like people argue sovereign citizen law to get out of things like speeding tickets and shit yeah and sometimes they're just so annoying that the judges let them off they're like i don't want to deal with you anymore um those guys used to call and so when i used to listen the Alex Jones show at my lunch break on my way into work on that very same station in Austin

there would be like almost regional versions of Alex Jones and there's one in particular that's hosted by a lady I forget her name and most of the callers were just people calling in with tips on how to argue speeding tickets in court by going back to like the U.S. Penal Code of 19 or like 1791 and it was the most ridiculous people but they call in and give their stats like how many traffic tickets have you gotten out of those people they are hilarious i love them i love them so much we should have we should have one of them on the show actually isn't there a country in the desert uh i remember watching a like a vice documentary and some guy was riding a like a like a a a drivable cooler it was like a sort of a homeless community and they

considered themselves their own nation and just no one really cared because they're basically a homeless community because like by that definition like half of California is in America I did not know I haven't seen that like the tent cities okay it was loki a tent city and they're just like this is a country now I've not seen that

I might try to establish a sovereign state in the middle of Hoboken with my prime minister mincy I think you guys could do that they did that in some apartment complex on the lower east side down in alphabet city oh yeah I forget the name of

those buildings but it was like a bunch of some people that were homeless at the time some other people that were like really active in the New York punk scene of like the 70s and 80s I think and they were going to bulldoze the apartment complexes and put up new condos so they were evicting everybody and these people just they boarded themselves in and they just like fought off the sheriffs and the police officers that would come by to try to evict them forcibly until the city just kind of gave up and let them stay there pretty cool yeah huh what uh so big tea anything else you're teed off about no it's about it just friends giving

yeah not a lot to be upset about this week it's i'm too nervous to be upset it's tennessee week baby yeah we we went on a huge tangent i love how the brains are firing this morning yeah this afternoon actually brains are brains are going off right now we're buzzing boys are buzzing because there's a full moon yo the planet's good again uh i don't know all i know Aries men no longer are on my side. Well, of course, they're the men who would respond to get really mad about it, right? Yeah, my brother in Christ, take a look in the mirror. Yeah, see?

You did a, yeah, it was actually a perfect example of explaining how astrology works. Just by putting that out there to one specific group of people. And then everyone, now all of a sudden you think that we only have Aries followers and listeners of the podcast. Also, I don't know that much about it, like comparatively to like a lot of people. And they were like, I can't believe that you. you would say all this stuff. Bab, I don't know what I'm talking about. I want to do a statistical breakdown, though,

of NFL quarterbacks by astrology signs. Well, actually, remember, it's a lot of Capricorns. What's the book where they talk about The Outliers? Yeah, Malcolm Gladwell, right? Yeah, and he talks about how a lot of professional athletes are born in January because of the age cutoffs. I can do a... Can you do that?

For hockey, for winter sports. I would like to see current NFL quarterbacks. just bait i want to do this season alone i want to know what's going because the planets are never the same so i want to know this season alone which sign uh has statistically better quarterbacks okay just so like the 32 starting quarterbacks of the NFL right now i would actually summer summer birthdays because most private like the catholic schools the private schools that a lot of them compete it like the powerhouses have they have they have the summer cutoffs like tom brady for example is

his birthday is always in training camp wasn't isn't Joe Burroughs also I'm gonna be so real I forget when Joe's is I think it's I think it's gonna be some what's the one after Leo Virgo

Virgo yeah I think it's a lot of Virgo's I have way too many Leo's in my life so I'm battling a lot of Leo energy all the time yeah the commanders battled some a lot of Leo's and lost last week yeah that was tough you know like how sometimes

in New York Post has some crazy articles that like create crazy stories they not sometimes all the time they love to get me to quote tweet their fucking headlines 100 that's their entire mission it's like what can we what obvious joke can we put in a headline to make all of america quote tweet us right so there was a big one today it was sporn sexual polygamists with eight wives reveals their strict demands this is great what's a sporn sexual i don't know um but this guy this brazilian polygamist opened up about his busy married life and he said that let me find this here

he said that they demand I be in shape otherwise I get lectured I don't eat gluten lactose or even breads and pasta it goes I mean this is this is insane so he has eight wives but he just

they demand him to do crazy things why would you want eight wives I don't know that would suck He has a sex roster to make sure all his wives are satisfied Okay, I like that

Having a sex roster Yeah, you gotta have a Seven days a week Yeah, you really have to be good with I thought about Like the planning out in logistics If you're having sex with eight different people Yeah, but what happens like

So a sporn sexual Is a type of man that is very focused On his appearance, his body care To be hairless in all of the body Except the head No eyebrows? Oh, that's on head. Is that kind of like metrosexual?

No. That was a real big thing back in the late 90s. Metrosexual is just more of a feminine straight guy. Are we still doing metrosexuals? No. No. I think that just became the regular, the norm. That's what now all the soy boys are.

Yeah. Yeah. Now, no one in America grows a beard and chops wood anymore. His dream is to have children with all of his wives. He said, I only have one daughter, but I want to have a child with each one of my wives. and my dream is to have 10 wives. So he's two away. Why would you include his daughter in that phrase?

It's kind of weird. No, he only has one daughter. Yeah. So he wants more kids. No, but I agreed. The way that that was said made it seem. Like he's going to marry his daughter? Yeah, it seemed like he was going to marry his daughter on that one.

What was? Speaking of New York Post headlines, before we get into more talk about Enron, I wanted to bring this up. The Space Force has. a new anthem did you guys hear about that yeah i did i'm not sure if it will get a copyright strike for it but we could play it we'll give it we'll give it a go that's actually that's a good point are we going to get i don't want to get this this video demonetized yeah do you think that uh libertarian

party that won't get us demon that no okay i'm not going to play the song then but go listen to go listen to the space force anthem on your own Space Force is still a very, just a funny thing to say, Space Force. Where do they come up with that name, do you think? Trump's tweet. Yeah. What do they even do? Do we even know what they're doing?

So, oh, actually. It does kind of rock that you can get an entire brand new branch of the military named just because you tweeted it out. I totally forgot. I think he's the only one that could do that. Without a doubt. Yeah, yeah, check this out. Imagine if Biden did that. I have a space force patch that I got from a Space Force patch that I got from a Space Force

engineer in Colorado. That's cool. I forgot about that. So it is real. Oh yeah, of course it's real. So the Space Force, it's like, it was people that were already serving in the armed forces and they just kind of redesignated some of them. I have nothing but respect for the good men and women of the United States Space Force.

Is this stolen valor? You wearing their patch? Yeah. Do you have your coin? Do you have your challenge coin on you too? Do you know how many challenge coins I have? Guess. Four.

Two. Oh, okay. this headline from the Guardian is unbelievable U.S. military It's not a banger response to the Space Force's

official song is less than stellar It's not a banger Who wrote it Martin Pengeley See you gotta have You gotta have Imagine Dragons Write your fucking Space Force anthem It's a one band

Horse race on that one Can you imagine that? Like just make it sound like a college football commercial space force imagine dude just use the music for radioactive and that makes me want to enlist immediately

I'm the space force I'm the space force the new song Semper Supra is set to a jaunty tune but critics say its lyrics are verbal word salad can we can we hear it I didn't hear you or just do the

was it zombie nation song oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. It's the Space Wars in the universe. I'm telling you, like, these should hire me to make these decisions for them. All right, I'll play it. There's one thing I was born to do, it's to put electronic sing-along songs and assign them with various branches of the military.

Okay, I'll play it, but nobody talked during it, and then if it gets copyrighted straighted, I could just cut it. Okay. Yeah. Okay. I like that's after you watch the first. I like that second gold. In the fifth, there we go, back to first. One, one, one.

Three. Three. Four. Okay, so you know what that Reminded me of? That's a banger. I'm not only line. In low key,

it low key reminded me of a song from Far Cry 5. Keep your rifle by your side. Yeah, it's like they tried to design a World War I song. Yeah. I make it about the Space Force. It leans way too heavily on the flutes. I don't hate it, though. I don't mind the, like, lumbering tuba part.

and the trombone and all that stuff but the flutes, the high-pitched like tinkly noises it doesn't make me want to go to space I'll tell you that much. They need, who was the genius that made a song about the Space Force and didn't include

any laser sound effects? Yeah, yeah, we should have David Bowie actually should have made the Space Force handsome. You need some fucking control space force. You need some fucking laser beam sound effects in that one.

I'll write a much better space force song than that. That's for damn sure. So Big Tee again, not teed off about anything at all this week because he's too nervous about Tennessee football and that's a reminder to everybody out there that if you're in Knoxville or you're close by to Knoxville, come see us.

We're going to be hanging out. Where are we going to be tailgating? Tell the people where to come meet us. If you're in Knoxville, Tennessee and you want to come, say what's up, where should they go, Big Tee? Yeah, so Saturday morning like 10 to 12-ish, we're going to be at Spires Tailgate. It's in G5 parking lot,

which is right next to the stadium. Everybody will know where that is. So that's where we'll be hanging out Saturday morning and then we'll go to the college football show. Love it. Love it. Come talk to us. And if you're looking for someone else to talk to you out there, I would suggest Better Help.

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I don't know who's competing in it exactly yet, but we will be there. The whole crew will be there, stop by. It's free to enter. So it's going to be a great time. Oh, I love that. Wing competition. Yes, the Hooters' Wing competition. Let's go.

Are you eating? I don't know if I'm going to eat or not. My understanding is it's going to be a Tennessee fan and a Florida fan with like me and Josh Prey behind them. Like rooting them on is my understanding. Which team are you going to root for? That's a good one. I also heard Billy might be eating some wings. That's what I heard too.

I need some prep time. So we're going to get in town on Friday, right? Getting in there early on Friday. Too early, in my opinion. Very. You guys are earlier than Big T and I. Very early. So it's going to be me, Avery, Billy on a flight. Getting in super early. It's a 6 a.m. flight. We have a, we have a connector. Why did y'all all get on that one?

I don't know. They didn't have. The options were very slim. So it's a 6 a.m. flight. We have a connecting flight. And we get to Knoxville around 10. Wait, wait. Y'all chose a 6 a.m. flight that connects? I don't know. I, I lokey. It's not like we chose it. It's not like I was like, yes. Please give me the 6 a.m. Yes, you did. They asked. There's not a lot of options. It was slim, is what I said. Wait, that or a 930 direct flight? Yeah, but I also didn't, when I asked what airports, everyone wanted to go to.

How far is it driving? I preferred not to go to. Probably 13 hours. The answer's no, Billy. You're getting on the plane. Me, me, me, me, me, me. Me and Big Tee are going to hang out. Are you excited about that big T?

I'm sitting next to Jack McCarthy on the plane, too. Did you get, did you? He just said, no, we're not hanging out. No, well, I'll see at the gate. And I'm in comfort plus. wait you're in comfort plus how do you get comfort plus i upgraded oh i have sky miles 11 hours not that bad all right so wait wait wait if anyone's on the night 30 we can get there we're getting in there we're getting yeah come hang out with me we're getting yeah

come hang out if any mad dog simps out there provide you're not in aries hang out yeah we're gonna get in early on friday so i i think we should plan out what we should do we should work out and not we are go what what there will be an opportunity to do that Yeah, later on in the day. Are we going to go out Friday night? Yeah, you bet your ass we are. We had Market Square. I don't know.

It's Market Square. It's the cool part of downtown. Okay. I love waking up super early because it just gives me a total excuse to consume like crazy amounts of stimulants. Yeah, we can tell. So we're not going to work out right when we get there. There will be a workout element that we're doing later on in the day. What do we do?

Just relax, Bill. Jesus. Tell me. I did tell you. But we will need to figure out something to do during the day. Yeah. Recommendations? I mean, what are we trying to do?

I don't know. Just can be something fun to do in Knoxville. Go see the big sun globe, sunsphere. You could go the sunsphere? I don't even know. I've never like, I've never been, can you go inside it? I think you can. I don't know.

We need vlogging material. I've never done it. I saw this one video of a frat at Tennessee playing Rocky Top and dancing outside on their lawn for like two hours. straight and I kind of want to do that. Just dance outside of a frat for two hours. It's a Rocky Thoth. Oh. I just go, yeah-ah! Wasn't I the one who suggested going to a frat

and everyone shot that down? No, no, no. We're not going to a frat. I'm not going to a frat party. I will run into the party. Let's extract all the information we need and run back out and tell you guys what happens. Let's just go to a class. Let's just go sit down in a class. I swore to my life I'd never go back to school.

No. Bro, let's just go. Let's go. Let's go. I know we're all the like lecture halls are yeah let's just go sit in one i love that i'm not going back and someone will like for sure recognize you so we can only be in there for a minute no i'll i'll do okay billy you're you're out of this conversation right now we know you're not going um i think i think i can do i i'll go like in disguise yeah i can do you think it would be better i think it'd be better if we just go sit down and one totally unannounced yeah don't say anything about it at all i'm i'm gonna bring my backpack with me so if you're the kids wearing these days if you're at ut and you have a Friday afternoon class that you don't want to attend.

I'll go as a sorority girl with like a big oversized t-shirt. I can bring you. I can bring you my sorority stuff with my letters on it. Do you have Nike shorts? I do have Nike shorts. This would rock. You have to shave your legs. We should buy like the checkerboard waiters like the. That's not going to get them in class.

I actually just realized if I wear the shorts, then yeah, my legs. Yeah. I definitely don't have. I can bring you leggings. I think this I think this could be really funny. Yeah. Let's just go audit a class. I'm trying to think what

What type of classes do they have in those big rooms So there's There's AMB Which is right next to Neeland What class did I have in a big one in there? Was it I had Econ in a big lecture hall in there Most of my class were in the journalism building

Which is all really small rooms They might recognize this in there Yeah But no yeah We can either go to AMB or what's the other one? Okay, don't say it out loud because we'll have to

We don't want people to blow the spot Yeah, cut that If you go to the University of Tennessee Be cool If you have a class That you don't usually attend On Friday afternoons, maybe go Oh yeah, Friday morning class

Might show up Yeah Y'all gotta wait for us to get there Though, we get there like two hours after you Fuck, okay What time do you get in? 12 Well, we'll use the time

We can be there by two We'll use the time by the time you get there to, like, get stuff to disguise him in. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let me know if you want girl clothes. It's like the Eli Manning video of him going back to Penn State. That was so good. So actually, low-key, he didn't look that good throwing the wall. Okay.

Okay. No, but like, if you watch the video. For like a 40-year-old? Right, right. But, like, that's the funny thing. Like, him throwing the ball, there's like, he, I don't think he threw a single, like, actual spiral. Yeah, he did. I saw the video

but like he wasn't fast he was I mean it wasn't like it wasn't like the like the golf video I mean he's older he's retired

but it wasn't like the golf video where it was just like this guy's sick like he didn't stand out that much I didn't think he looked

that different from like if he if that dude walked into this room I'd be like that's Eli Manning you know yeah like that's Eli

Manning dressed as Matthew McCona I felt bad for the other quarterback because he was like oh man this my chance walk on that they just fucking make a foolery out of it

yeah at the Jared Gough one when he did that didn't he have like a couple bad passes that'd be so funny if somebody like got dressed up and did that thing where they're like trying out for a college team they go there they absolutely suck and they're like no sorry dude you go no he started out bad on purpose oh on purpose okay yeah yeah

we'll do that that's going to be the thing like PFT goes back to school I like that not sure if I'm going to be dressed as a woman it's been a while since I've dressed as a woman. If there's anything else you think we should do, just tweet at us, tweet at the page, tweet at any of us.

Like two and a half years. Should I try to pretend I'm like a punter? Like, what? What do you mean? We're not talking about like going to football practice. We're talking about just going into a classroom. Okay. Yeah, I'm looking right now.

I'm trying to find what time classes start. If there's an interesting class, I'd actually like to go to it. I mean, there are interesting classes. Yeah, there's like a cool, like, the new Lana Del Rey, NYU class. Fucking take that a second. What class is that? Well, Lana Del Rey's got a new class.

Are you a Lana? A stand? Oh, I'm a lot of fucking. I've got the class that we can go to. Okay. I don't want to say it. Don't say it loud. Okay.

That's the Tennessee plans. We'll see you guys there. Can't wait in Knoxville. I'm also considering at the last minute after we've done all the tailgating, taking a quick ride over to Boone, North Carolina, to watch Jamie against Appalachian State. That's the real big matchup. going on, the Smoky Mountains.

Are you not going to our game? I am, but I'm, but in, in spirit, I'm going to be in Boone, North Carolina. Okay. It's a big matchup. It's, it's very big. Huge. If y'all win that game, people are talking potentially top 25. Who's talking about that?

I've heard some rumblings. There are some rumb. Where did you hear? Mostly from Ebo. Oh, Ebo said it too. No, I'm just, I mean, they could be, they'd be right there. Yes, so that's what I said on part of my take yesterday. Big Cat was like, bo, bo, boo, boo, boo, boo.

No, they'd be, they'd be getting votes at least. the Wisconsin. Yeah, they would be getting votes because Appalachian State got 77 votes to be in the top 25. Did he say James Madison wasn't better than Wisconsin? No, I was just doing a big cap impression because he was hating, he'd just be a hater. But that's fine.

Hank's on my side, which is, that's all I need. As long as I got Hank, I got the entire company, baby. Yeah, App State got 77 votes this week. If y'all go in there and win that game, you'll be right there. Yeah, thank you. Thank you, Big T. Fucking idiots out there, don't believe me. Caught some heat on that.

There's no bigger second, uh, team fan of JMU in the country than me. I've been a JMU guy for two years. There we go. I love it. Welcome aboard. Welcome aboard big team. When we lost to Sam Houston in the playoffs the other year? Crushed me. That was bad. That wasn't just the playoffs, buddy. That was the nattie. Semi-final.

I thought that was the natty. It was the semi because they went and played. No, that was the natty a couple years ago. It probably was a national championship game because Those are two of the best programs, but hang on. Yeah, we lost against North Dakota State last year in the semis. Against that motherfucker Hunter Lepke, who's like the fullback of my dreams,

but happens to play for our biggest rival. No, in 2020, Sam Houston played South Dakota State in the national championship. It was the semi. Was that 2020? I'm almost certain they played... 2021, JMU 35, Sam Houston, 38.

Yeah. That's when we gave up 28 points in the third quarter. Yep. That was tough. Yeah, that game broke me. That was a very, very bad second half. I hated every second of that second half. We had that game one.

We were up 27 nothing at halftime. I forgot it was that bad. What's worse being up 20? Oh, sorry, no, I'm wrong. It was 24 to 3. What's worse? being up 24 to 3 or being up 28 to 3 and losing? Probably 28 to 3.

Yeah, very, very bad. It was a 90, like a 97 win percentage, win probability for us. Been there, pal. Yeah. We're going to get into some Enron discussion in a second, and it's going to be brought to you by 3C. The days of long road trips to recreational states for overpriced dispensaries are now over because 3C provides premium THC products that get delivered straight to your door,

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Yeah. My mistake. No, I remember. That's how much it affected me. Yeah. I remember the game. It was bad. But yeah, Enron.

Smartest guys in the room. Watch the documentary if you haven't watched it already. I've been reading a lot about Enron as well. And it's a fascinating story. It really is. So as we heard from Jake earlier, you might know Enron from being the name of Inron Field, where the Houston Astros play. Bill, you were out of the room because Jake was in here working and you were doing something else. But I asked Jake what he knew about the Enron scale.

And he goes, oh, Inron, Enron, Field, Houston Astros, which is a perfect Jake moment. I connected Enron to 9-11. That's a perfect Billy moment. Go on. Go on. Tell me. Well, let's, we'll fill us in, but I like, I like, I dug deep. That's what we call it tees in the business. So, Enron, company started, Ken Lay was key in the foundation of Enron, or as George W. Bush called him Kenny Boy. He was a Kenny boy. And his wife said, Kenny Boy was my nickname for Kenny.

Yeah, so George, George W. Bush stole Ken Lay's nickname from Ken Lay's wife. maybe he heard it in uh him and barbara what who knows swingers swingers kenny barbara yeah billy george do you take mushrooms this morning no when did you when did you last microdose your mushrooms can everyone lay off okay i took some i took some lines made this morning there you go all right uh so anytime we talk about george w bush nicknames for anybody it's always to go back and visit some of his best hits. And by that, I just mean go to the nicknames used by George W. Bush Wikipedia page. We're going to go to the foreign leaders section today.

So he obviously had Kenny Boy for Kinley. For Jean Creighton, the Prime Minister of Canada, called him Dino. He called Vladimir Putin Putty Poot or Ostridge Lakes. That was a good one. Tony Blair, he called him landslide. Because he won in a landslide election. So he called him landslide. Landslide's a great name, isn't it?

That's pretty good. Sick. The Prime Minister of Australia, John Howard, called him Man of Steel. Man of Steel. Solid. Because a dude from Australia, he wouldn't leave Iraq, even though all of Australia was like,

hey, what is Australia doing in this? Please bring a troops home. He's like, that's not how we do things in Australia. we don't pull out halfway And so Bush love that Then the prime minister of Italy Silvio Berlusconi

Do you know what he called Sylvio Berlusconi Burlesque Burley Shoes Hell yeah She gives he worn nice shoes Everybody's got a shoes And in the group

What's up shoes That's actually a pretty good name name It's not bad That's what we should call Travis Yeah I'm gonna start calling him shoes For the boys So yeah

That was George W. Bush's nickname for old Kinlay. And Kinlay, I heard this, listening to the Dollop podcast, which is a great podcast. If you haven't listened to it, give it a shot. They do various historical events and historical people. They said that Kinley's dad was a traveling stove salesman. Can you imagine what that would have been like to be a stove salesman? He definitely has tons of half brothers and sisters. Just fucking.

I mean, traveling salesman like, I, I remember I used to watch tons of, like, TV land, TV shows, like Gunsmoke. And, like, the traveling salesman was always, like, a skeevy, like, trying to sleep with everybody's wives type guy. That's the only way you could do it. Imagine just being on the road all the time, no cell phones, you just go door to door with your product. The only way that you can really do well at your job is if you're able to, like, flirt with the homemakers that are there, get them to like you and introduce you to their home and bring you in. and having a stove having a stove is something that

like if somebody has a stove that doesn't work they probably get a new stove within I'd say a couple days you really have to have perfect timing if you're traveling door to door to a stove salesperson I feel like all the door to door or salesmen

have now turned into comedians comedians like the people that would have been salesmen are now comedians I think that there's there's some crossover in terms of like being on the road the skill set that you have to have be able to tell a story um but really the the art of the salesperson is kind of going downhill i know it's all amazon it's all online it's all like the new salespeople are just the new algorithms that that are being coded into uh into various web browsers and ad sense technology the people

listening on your phones yeah it's your phone yeah there's no real traveling salespeople anymore anyways So Kinlai founded Enron, and then Enron started out as an energy company, basically. They started out. They had contracts on various pipelines and things like that. So they would buy oil or buy the rights to transport oil from like an Exxon or a mobile BP, that type of company. And then they get a contract with a local municipality and be like, okay, we will sell you this. oil that we're buying from the producer and you'll pay us to transport it to you and then we'll take our cut and we'll be gone but then they decided that they wanted to do something a little bit

more than that so they started you remember in uh the big short how people had houses and then you were able to also gamble on the markets without actually taking ownership of any of the you know physical real estate necessary so like in the housing crisis people got loans for houses they couldn't afford and then they bundled all those loans together and then they sold those big bundles of loans to other companies who would then sell those loans to other companies and then they created something i think that was the synthetic mortgage pack security yeah the mortgage back yeah and then they created the synthetic version of that which is then people out there could just bet on whether or not your loans would get paid back or not without even touching any of the

stuff that you had in your hands for like the contract of the loan or the value of the property people could just bet on whether or not you had made a good bet in business yeah that's that's kind of what in ron started to to get into what they exactly except with oil yeah what they exactly did and shout out investopedia if you're a finance econ major uh this got me through college. Investopedia was great for this research, but Enron created Enron online in October 1999. Is this what you're talking about? That was a little bit. I think that was after they developed that, but to trade it at a larger scale. Yeah. It was a trading website that focused on commodities. It was a counterparty to every transaction on EOL, which is the buyer or the seller.

To entice participants and trading partners, Enron offered its reputation credit expertise in the energy sector. It was praised for its expansions. ambitious projects and was named America's most innovative company. So they were they were a blue chip. They were they were up there with Apple, Google. Yeah, Enron at one point was the seventh biggest company in the United States. Yeah. Which is crazy. I did not realize it was that huge. It's massive. Yeah. What's the seventh biggest company in the United States right now? Let's check it out. I mean, so probably Google, Amazon, Apple, probably like McDonald's and Coke. Microsoft. Yeah, Microsoft. So it's a like, like,

Who's after that? Berkshire Hathaway. Oh, shit. So a company that owns everything. Yeah, they literally own everything. Right above it is ExxonMobil. Yeah, so that gives you an example of just like how big Enron was. So they were an energy company.

Let's start from like the 90s. They were an energy company. They employed, ended up employing like 20,000 people in the greater Houston area. They're the biggest employer down there. As Jake said, they named Enron Field after the company, Enron. So they were a basic energy company. And then they started to bet on energy contracts as well. And the big change for Enron between being just your standard energy company

and one that had enormous amount of exposure was when they got the right to go to mark-to-market accounting. So that is a very interesting concept. And one that I heavily, it's featured in the documentary, Smart Skies in the Room, but it was something I really wanted to delve. into because it just didn't make sense, like how they could do this. But basically, it allowed them to make up their revenue and profits without actually having display any of them. So I can give you like a rough background. I'm sure I'm going to screw some of this up. But when you're publicly traded company like Enron is, you first and foremost have a duty to the shareholders, right? So you want

to make sure that your share price goes up, doesn't go down. That's just, That's public company 101. That's your bread and butter. So what would happen would be they, Enron would get these contracts from various sources, whether it was like a city or a town or a government or a large industry. They would get the contracts for the oil to deliver. But then also what they could do with mark-to-market accounting is you make them sign like a 20-year deal as opposed to just like a standard one or two-year deal.

if you get them to sign a 20-year deal, then you can not only count for the revenue that you're expecting that year or the year after, but you're also counting on revenue that's going to be coming in 10, 15, 20 years down the line. And the best part is for them, they get to make up what they think the price of oil will be in 10 years, 15 years, 20 years,

and to them, the price of oil goes up all the time. So if you were to sign a 20-year deal, you could say theoretically, yeah, think that the price of oil is going to double in 10 years. So guess what? The $10 million worth revenue that I'm expecting to get this year, that's actually going to be worth $20 million a year in 10 years. And then they can count all those profits as revenue coming in at that point, that year. So it makes it look like, you know, maybe hypothetically if they're like a $50 million of your company, it can make you look real quick like you're a $500 million year company without

actually having any money that will ever come through your doors. And what that does is it makes people value your company more from the outside. Stock price, in theory, should go up because you're reporting these numbers. But in practice, you don't actually have any of the dollars coming in that you say you have coming in. So that was Mark to Market accounting 101. Probably screwed some of that up. Billy spilled something while we were doing that. I have to, I've been kind of allergies. So I have to blow my nose, but I don't have to do that yet. But what's crazy is they got official U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission approval

for this in 1992. This was allowed them to like basically if they built a power plant and thought that in 10 years it would make them millions of dollars, they could just say it was making them millions of dollars. Yeah, currently. Yeah. Yeah. So it's all theoretical stuff. So

the underpinnings behind a lot of these things was deregulation of the power industry. So when you hear the word deregulation, whenever I hear somebody talk about that like on the news my eyes kind of glaze over it's like deregulation what the fuck does that mean um big t when you think deregulation what do you think uh less government less government yeah less oversight so um in energy terms uh having turns out having some regulation is a good

thing because if you don't have any regulation at all what that means is that the people that are buying energy can do whatever the fuck they want and they can they can pay a as much money as they want for it and they can hoard it and keep it from people and then when people actually need it then they can charge basically whatever the hell they want to the people that desperately need it so deregulation is the premise that um the state government the national government should not have anything to do with the production and distribution of energy which i from a theoretical standpoint excuse me from a theoretical standpoint i i i understand understand why the libertarians feel that way, where it's just like the government shouldn't

control anything. It's just like if you find it, if you're able to develop it, that's your property. But in practice, it just doesn't work at all because people, people like to make money. And that's what they're going to do. And the people that get into the energy business in particular, they're not in it to provide like an ethical service for a reasonable price. They're in it because they're trying to get fucking paid. So commodities trading in the best way that I learned about it was, for example, in the Midwest, the grain traders, trading was supposed to have a net benefit to society. Like, basically, if in Kansas City, barley was $5, but in Minneapolis, barley was $2.50, grain traders were trading their barley in order to lower the price in Kansas City and also,

you know, basically where there was demand, bring supply. And it was supposed to essentially make prices lower and allow a consumer market where, you know, shortages weren't causing too much of an impact on the consumer. And, you know, it was a resource allocation. And that's how energy trading is supposed to work. But if you're greedy and, you know, if your best interest isn't lowering the price and, you know, for the consumer, but raising shareholders value, then you might try to create artificial scarcity. Well, that's, that's exactly what will happen. And so if you work at a company like, Ron and you're an energy trader and your job is to figure out, your job is literally to figure out

how to make money, how to make more money off of the, uh, the energy that we have rights to or that we could get rights to. You're going to end up fucking people over. I think what you'll see is like a lot of what happened at Enron was, um, a group of people who had a very specific job, which was make the company money. And to them, the company was, uh, number, on like a computer screen. And so if they figure out ways to make those numbers go up, they were doing their job correctly. And very few of them stopped to think about

what was behind all those numbers and what was actually happening in the real world. It was just like, oh, shit, I'm killing it. I'm getting a $2 million bonus this year. That's good. It's very easy, I think, for people to be in a company like that. See numbers on a screen. You're like, I'm a smart guy.

I'm doing a good job because these numbers are going up and not actually think about the real world ramifications. but it was it was almost cartoonish so these guys i think matt dog said before we started recording like if these guys had just gotten blow jobs they would never would have done this it is like in the documentary they talk about how the two main guys loved to go you know motocrossing and do all these dangerous activities and they just love to live life on the wild side like go get your dick sucked like i swear to god well well loop high definitely was oh yeah lupi rocks so yeah so the main guys Ken Lay was the founder.

Jeffrey Skilling was the president and C-O-O. And so at one point, Skilling was a fucking G when it came to bring in the money. I think they were trading $27 billion per quarter. And he had a glow-up. And he did have a glow-up. So these guys, and then Lu Pai, who was in charge of a very special division of Enron, where nobody knew exactly what the fuck Lu Pai did. He was just like the vice president.

of getting shit done. And so that's the guy that would just... Fuck bitches get money. Fuck bitches get money. Didn't he, he would stop by gas stations sometimes? So he would go to... Well, it's important to mention what he did before the gas station.

Okay, so we weren't... You weren't being euphemistic when you said fuck bitches get money. He went to a strip club like every night. Yeah. And would have sex with strippers. And then at somebody asked, aren't you worried that like your wife is going to smell perfume on you or something? He goes, got it covered.

I go to a gas station. and I dip a little bit of gas on me so that I smell like gasoline instead of perfume. It's so wild. And then the same guy was like, well, what if your wife thinks

you're fucking a gas station attendant? And so then that man was like basically sent away to Calgary. Yeah. He was like, how dare you? Yeah, they basically did the thing

where they put him on a train to Siberia. Yeah. And then he got off Scott Free. He made out the best out everybody because he got a stripper pregnant, got divorced, cash out is $250 million in stock and went away forever.

Yeah, and so now he, I think, is, or he was the second biggest landowner in Colorado. And so he just bought a shitload of land in Colorado. So he was the CEO of Enron Energy Services. And he left in 2001 and he was just like, you know what, I'm out. And he didn't get charged with any criminal wrongdoing whatsoever. So he made out like a bandit. I would love to know exactly. The man.

I would love to know what he did and how he made this money. Yeah, he's still alive. He's 75. What's he up to? He's 75 right now. So, yeah, he was like, he was Jeffrey Skillings get shit done guy. And he was the guy that was really in charge of, like, oversaw the shift from being a basic energy company into, let's do some energy trading where we can bet on the markets and we can move energy around and then bet on how much it's going to be worth as opposed to just doing the thing of transporting from point A to point B. And so you had all these energy traders, including lupai, that would, they would gamble on whether the price of oil would go up or go down.

It's like a legalized casino. And they were right almost 100% of the time somehow. And that's obviously impossible to do. You never know. But they figured out that something was up. This is very funny. They figured out something was going on on the trading floor because, well, number one, they were not. ever wrong and they saw a report about about the the futures market for oil and one of the

main creators and investors on that was a guy named um dot yas and they figured out that it meant like my ass and so they just like they were inventing people to sit in these reports and then doctoring the reports and manipulating the market just because they knew that since it was deregulated there was nobody that was overseeing any of these markets they could just make stuff up and they'd make more money off of it. I feel like if you're falsifying things at the level where tens of millions and billions of dollars are at stake, you could take the time to come up with a John Stevens, you know, John dot Stevens instead of my ass. You would think so, but that's not how things work like

this in a situation where you're making so much money and you feel like you're so smart and like everything's fast and loose. You're living in a casino pretty much. You're going to do stuff like that. going to get on the phone with your boss and say things like, yeah, so we figured out how to steal the energy from this place, and then your boss is going to have to say, wait, can we just not use the word steal on the phone? And then you're going to laugh about it, because

it's funny, because there's nobody looking over your shoulder at that time. Arbitrage. Arbitrage, baby. Arbitrash. And the dirt bikes were kind of cool. I got to say a bad dog. Like, yes, the dirt bikes were awesome. Those dudes rock. Like, in the documentary, they're like, yeah, they loved people who had spikes on them,

like a little bit of edge, or they were spiky people. Yeah. And it's like, it is so clear. And they talked about how much everyone in Enron's nerds. The more insecure you are, the more they like you. Yeah. Well, that was, the spikes thing was a term for the people who, that performance review thing.

Yeah. Where they fired the bottom 15% of the company every year. Mm-hmm. Just pretty wild. It's like they were just so power hungry because they were nerds in high school. And now they have all of this money and power. And it's like, dude, just look like. go get your dick sucked it's just like the easiest solution to this problem and and then they

didn't yep besides the i noticed there weren't a lot of like really high up women in the company that's shocking there was that one who said uh should you put your entire 401k in in ron stock absolutely yeah i did i did like that lady but yeah no it's it was nerds it was like it yeah it was a ton it was just a ton of nerds who are like were based it felt like they were getting back at like their high school bullies yes that's what it was it was just so easily like again hindsight's 2020 but like when you're watching this is like it's so easily like an ego thing yeah and so they were um as they converted over to being a trading company they were very well connected in the state of texas uh george h w bush was like best friends with some of them uh george w bush

became very, very close to them, and George W. Bush ended up doing a couple favors for them politically. And I think Enron was the largest contributor to George W. Bush's presidential campaign. And a lot of people on Capitol Hill, though, so it wasn't just a George W. Bush thing. A lot of people on Capitol Hill were close with Enron. And they asked one of the guys about that. And he was like, well, yeah, it's not a left thing or a right thing. It's just, I don't know how you can say it's a political thing. They contribute to everybody. Yeah, that makes it a political. thing because you do contribute you they bought off Congress essentially and what they wanted was more deregulation because the less rules that are surrounding the

energy industry the more ways that they can figure out how to dress things up and make it look like they're making money while actually making life worse for a lot of people so another example of what happened when they were kind of like spending lavishly on these dirt bikes as the company was coming up they uh it Kinley had the Lay family jet, so the company just gave them a private jet. And at one point, they sent a private jet to Monaco to drop off Kinlay's daughter's bed. Think about that. That was like a company expense, was my daughter lives in Monaco.

First of all, if you're living in Monaco, you can probably afford a bed. Yeah. It's the richest country on Earth. And they sent her bed over on a plane. They transported a bed via a private jet to Monaco so that their daughter could have a bed to sleep in. That's wild. Kind of crazy. So they're making money hand over fist is the point.

And their tagline was, we're not the Walmart of natural gas, where the Mercedes Benz, which is such a sweet thing to say because, like, it's gas. We're not the Walmart of podcasts. Yeah. Yeah. I wonder if, no, we are, we're definitely, maybe the family dollar. We're the, we're the, we're the, we're the Rickies. Oh, actually, I don't think that's a nationwide. No, we're the, we're the Spencer's gifts.

Yeah, we're the Spencer's gifts or the hot topics. Yeah. So, yeah, that's such a cool thing to say because gas is gas. But if you just tell people, like, yeah, sorry, you're going to have to pay more money to get our gas. Our gas is the good gas. it kind of makes you want to pay. Like if somebody has that confidence to come and be like, yeah, listen, you could buy their gas, I guess, but you don't want.

There was nothing like the first day you went in the back of a Spencer's gift shop. You know what I'm saying? Like the shit that you, like, it was like almost something, I'm trying to think of the word for it. Coming of age. No, not even that. Like, it felt like it was like a myth, like the stuff that was back there. And then the first time you show up, you're like, oh my God, what is this stuff?

Because it's like everything that they have, everywhere you look is another thing that you feel like you're not supposed to be looking at. Yep. Like you're bad for being in there. Yeah, your mom gives you money and tells you, like, go around the mall and you're like, I know the first place I'm going.

Yep. Spencer's gifts, baby. Hell yeah. Has anyone ever actually bought anything from in there? Oh, yeah. 100%. Yeah, for sure. They're still in business.

I bought some leather gloves in there. What'd you need those for? Just like a year ago. Don't worry about it. It had spikes and shit on them. very cool I think I bought an M&M shirt in there No I bought I bought leather gloves

I was bringing them back I forget for what reason But I was gonna give him to Nick And then I had a pair too It's for some video that we're making I think actually you know what the thing is When Nick went to Spencer's Gifts He went to a mall that had Spencer's gifts

With Jeff DeLoe I gave him like a hundred bucks And I was like buy me Something cool from Spencer's Gifts So I was then buying him something From Spencer's Gifts They also had a hat in the back That was just like a baseball cap

with like a nine-inch penis that was just protruding from the front of it and I wanted to get it but my mom was in the car and then I didn't want my mom to be like hey what would you get in the mall Joey told me that those are called unicorn hats

you okay I like it makes sense anyways we're the Spencer's gifts of podcasting 100% but so Enron was like yeah we're the Mercedes Benz at least

at least make it like we're the Sacks 5th Avenue compare a store to a store like you're comparing a car to a to a Walmart that's kind of weird um so they were they were charging more for their their better gas that they were getting um but yeah should we get into the fall yeah we can get into the fall uh i i also thought it was funny how they were making all these friends in like super high places because they were printing money all their executives were making money hand over fist because they were essentially just they were trading things that didn't

really exist and making up their own numbers, but the stock price kept going up. So when the stock price goes up, that means that they make more money. That means that the people that work for the company, their 401ks go up because everybody's 401k is invested in the Enron stock. So everybody was doing real, real well, making money, even though they weren't making more money than they had before. In fact, they might have been making less money than they had been making before in terms of real dollars coming in from their customers. So they start making all these friends in high places. And the funniest scene I thought in the movie was they had Alan Greenspan come to hang

out with him for a day. Alan Greenspan was the head of the federal, the chairman of the Federal Reserve. And they just gave him, they just gave him an award for being an outstanding man. And he's like, they're accepting the award for like doing great things as a human being. It was like the humanitarian, great person of the year award presented by Enron. When a company is giving an award for being a good guy to the person who's in charge of dictating financial policy to the world, like you think, you think there's something behind that? Or do you think they actually thought that Alan Greenspan was just like the coolest guy? Just being nice to their guest.

Yeah, is that like a normal thing for companies to just recognize people as being great that don't work there? You know what? For every new guest, we should do that. Give them an award? Yeah, for being an outstanding person. It's like an honorary degree to whoever speaks at your government. graduation you you now have a doctorate from the university of tennessee and is there ever a reason that uh even a university would there's always like something going on behind the scenes they're not

just they're not just giving a doctor to bill cosby because they think he's a smart guy you know Elon Musk did if you want a honorary awesome person of the year for macrodosing come on come on the show yeah no i will give i will give a plaque to anybody with over a million twitter followers that comes on part or that comes on macrodosing. The Taliban? Do they have over a million? I don't know.

I know they're on. I mean, I said what I said. Well, honestly, we can interview them. Billy, would you want to go over there in person? We'll send you.

Put on a khaki vest. Yeah. Give you a helmet. Okay, let's roll play. Okay. I'm the leader of the Taliban. Yeah, I just invited you. Welcome to my cave.

What's up? dead you can't say sup you don't open with a so okay yeah uh do they how do they how do they you'd be so bad you'd be so bad at this you're already dead I know but I don't want to thank you for having me you're welcome what did you want to talk to me about uh wanted to ask you to come on macro dosing okay uh can we do it right now yes okay now I'm on macro dosing hi Billy here's your microphone okay uh all these years come back batting U.S. troops. What was your main belief that kept you going through the hardest times? All right. So now you're doing a puff piece on the Taliban. No, no. We're figuring

it out. You're like the, you're like the Tom Rinaldi for war criminals. Caliban. Misunderstood, question mark. Yeah. We got the tinkly piano going on in the background right now. How, what was your, what was the strangest things that you noticed about Americans who are here? Nice. Now we're doing like follies. Billy wouldn't come back. He would get radicalized. He would No, what? Yeah. He'd be like, you know this caliphate they keep talking about. Sounds like a strong idea. Yeah. It's just dudes rolling around the desert and they get falcons. Yeah, that right. It's like, yeah, fuck yeah, let's do it. It's like if you built an entire desert out of New Hampshire.

It sounds awesome. They, they drink tea. Be careful with those fireworks. Yeah. No alcohol. That'll be tough for you. They have opium They do They chew it You know that they like dip opium Yeah they dip opium They chew on cat

KAT That's one drug I really want to try actually Have you ever actually Those are the drugs that they do in Captain Phillips When they're taking over the boat Have you seen the vice documentary About the dog fights in Afghanistan? I have not

Wild The dogs are gigantic They're like specimens I think they have Tibetan Mastiffs over there I think they're like their own I think they're Caucasian Shepherds. Oh, yeah, yeah. They're like crazy.

Big dogs. So I had a friend who's Russian, first generation American, and their family brought over their Caucasian shepherd. And gigantic dog. Imagine Great Dane, sort of like bulldoggy face, but furry. Yeah. Used to fight off bears and wolves from their livestock. Um, they killed two dogs.

First two months. Would they do? They had to put it down. yeah probably it's for the first dog they probably probably should put it down yeah well the first dog jumped to the yard so it doesn't count okay it provoked him yeah okay um interesting so yeah billy would come back radicalized I just probably wouldn't come back if he did come back it'd be like in homeland where brodie came back after being held hostage for so long then tried to kill the vice president never saw that show yeah season one awesome is that like 24 kind of yeah it's clear

Dane's is the whole it's it's if 24 instead of Keith or Sutherland had Claire Dane's uh hyperventilating all the time and listening to jazz music quick question was 24 was the whole show over 24 hours good question billy yes so was the show longer than 24 hours like actually I think it was 24 I don't know I actually never saw 24 but I do know the concept of it that's a crazy 24 hours yeah pretty wild I that's one you know what I need to fucking watch 24 that That's one that I just, it's a cultural, it's a touchstone in American culture that I have not participated in.

But I do know the concept of it. It used to come on after the Simpsons and King of the Hill on Sunday nights. Each season covers 24 consecutive hours. So is it 24 episodes per season? One second. So yeah, Billy would come back like Brody and be a secret terrorist. So we will not be sending Billy overseas and we will not. I'm not going to come on.

Okay. If you go overseas, you're staying over there. Not going back. There are 192 episodes over nine seasons. So like 21-ish per season? There should be 24 per season, but I get it. He's got to be like, why does this keep happening to me? Why do I keep having the worst days?

I've had seven really bad days. It's September again. Some bad shit's about to happen. Yeah, astrology is real. For sure. So, okay, back to Enron. Where were we? So Enron started to get some bad business ventures.

Bad business ventures. Good point, really. One of them was good. Like, if you look at it, like, futuristicly. Oh, yeah, for the traders at the time, they're making, they're making a ton of money. No, but one of their business ventures that they try to do, and they linked up with Blockbuster, was they tried to do on-demand video. They tried to do what Netflix does now, but 20 years ago. Yeah, they did.

So part of that venture was they were, they tried to think of other things that they could sell. because they're selling contracts on oil. So they're not actually selling the oil necessarily, but they're selling rights to the oil. They were trying to sell bandwidth. So they were internet bandwidth. So they were saying if you go to bed at 11 p.m. every night. You wake up at 8 a.m. every night.

Why, that's nine hours where you're not using your internet. That's nine hours of hypothetical internet that somebody else could be using. That space online, someone else could be using. someone else could be using. People should be able to sell that and sell the bandwidth that they don't use. If you think this sounds insane, it's because it is insane. If you think that there's no chance in hell that this would work, you were correct. There's no chance that it would work. But I think they still sold like $80 million worth of bandwidth contracts and never actually traded any bandwidth whatsoever. Because again, the way I'm explained to you is the way

that they had thought it up and there's no possible way that it can work. Internet doesn't work like it doesn't but at the time at the time people thought that it might they were just trying to be the first of the market so billy let me let me fire back at you i'm going to put on my kinlay hat for a second okay okay so it didn't work but what if it had that we could just say it did but what if it had what if what if it had work so the way that that kinlay and in run and a lot of people that are very savvy business people think sometimes is they think to themselves what's the old phrase it's like if you hit a target you're talented if you hit a if you hit a target that no one can see you're a genius you know so like if you're told okay we need to figure out a way to sell

a hundred million dollars with the energy contracts this year you figure out a way to do it you're fucking awesome at your job great job but if you invent the concept of trading energy contracts on an open marketplace you're genius because you can make so much more money and nobody even knew that the market existed right process wrong result yes so they could just keep making shit up until something work they could be like we're gonna uh we're gonna sell rights to uh to hamburger meat hypothetical contracts on on hamburger meat they you could make anything up that they were trying to sell but they saw that the internet was becoming a massive massive deal so they said okay let's try to sell space on the internet that people aren't using

um it didn't work but they still said that it was going to work they actually, they kind of glossed over this in the documentary, but they tried to trade weather. Yeah, I didn't understand how that worked. So it sounds great. It absolutely sounds like it could be a winner. But they never really, they never got into what exactly they were trading. Maybe they're just like gambling on the weather. So, okay, here's what I found from a CNN article.

So if this is wrong big T, I apologize. 10 years ago, the Inron Corporation sold the first weather futures, agreeing to pay utility company $10,000 for each degree that it fell below the average temperature during winter. That's actually not a bad idea, just essentially betting on the weather with energy companies. I kind of like that. What do you think, Big T? Do you follow that? I mean, yeah, I guess. It obviously was coming from a company that didn't really know what the fuck it was doing so they were basically trying to trying to create whatever market they could

right based on the knowledge that they had of how much oil was going to cost in any certain place at any certain time that's kind of where they're coming from and so then they put locked a bunch of guys in room and said okay figure out a way to make money and then they open the doors up and they're like okay what are your ideas let's do them make us money please in fact one time when they got caught um making up profits that they that were coming in and making up different investment reports, they sent them a note. They didn't discipline them at all. They sent them a note saying, just please keep making us millions.

Thank you for doing your job. So the trading part of Enron, which is bring in all the money, was the only successful part of the company. And they weren't doing anything except for just trading money on completely speculative markets. so then they deregulate California Billy do you have anything on what happened in California so California because of the deregulation became target

of a lot of Enron's energy trading so real quick to tell you what happened in California was the state legislature in California decided to remove all the rules and restrictions on who could buy energy and who could sell energy and for what prices from the power plants that were in California making energy for Californians. So what does that mean? That means that there is a power plant in California that creates the electricity and sends it out to Californian homes. What the deregulations did was it allowed Enron to come in there and buy the electricity directly from the power plant,

send it out of state, redirect it, and then resell it back into California. Why would they want to do that? Well, because if it's being sold from a different state, they don't have to follow any price restrictions. So they could take that electricity, send it out of state, and then sell it back in, make more money. And there were some other things that were going on in terms of how they were dealing with the power plants themselves.

Basically, what they did is they created, false fake demand they would shut down power after taking the power out of the state they would then shut down power plants in the state and cause the price of electricity to go up and then sell back that energy that went out of state at a much higher premium so this was the arbitrage they were looking for yeah so they would correct me from wrong billy but since they were buying such an enormous amount of electricity what they could do since Enron the company had so much money they could They were like, they were big players.

The electric companies knew that Enron was buying so much of their power that if Enron's people got on the phone and said, hey, can you just shut down for a couple hours and then we'll go back up? They were like, okay, yeah, that makes sense. We're in business together. Yeah, they're entertaining their client. Yeah, exactly. Thank you, Billy.

When entertaining clients goes wrong, the Enron story of California. Sometimes your clients don't have your best interests. so you know it can mess up your own function that's true so yeah good point billy so in this instance billy football is a power plant in california right and then um in ron is a lacrosse team and and the lacrosse team is like hey billy uh like you have to come out with us and drink these beers and billy's like no there are a lot of people out there that need me to work tomorrow because they listen to my podcast. So I'm going to have to not hang out with you.

I have to go in because I'm being responsible and there's a job that needs to be done. But power plants. And then the lacrosse team is like, but like honestly, we give you so much content that it's kind of disrespectful for you. It's disrespectful if you don't hang out with us because we pay your bills because we're a lacrosse team that you talk about.

And then Billy was like, fine, I guess I'm going to have to do this. And that's how Enron happened. Yeah. Except the power plant would go down. They would create artificial scarcity. And then guess what happens to the price of power in California? It goes way up.

So your average people aren't able to afford their energy bill. Imagine what was the biggest energy bill that was coming into these people? I think there was going from a $4 to $5 a gigawatt, some measure of watt, up to I think $500 or $1,000 because of the, how bunch of a shortage and this caused tons of rolling blackouts in california which caused numerous amounts of deaths complications i mean when there's no power to i mean when we were driving through tennessee through that ice storm there's no power like we were crossing train tracks and i realized halfway through i was like look these train tracks aren't going to close because

there's no power so a train could be coming and we have no idea so if we had not looked both ways when crossing the train tracks we could have been hit by a train and who knows how many times stuff like that happened in california while these blackouts happened how many ambulances couldn't get somewhere because of traffic how many car crashes because there was no lights on the uh you know stop lights how many people died on life support because their hospital couldn't get power like this is some evil villain shit it is bad stuff and it was all because people that were sitting in the in ron offices they wanted to see the price of electricity go up because that meant that they were making more money when that price got higher.

And so then that number on their computer would make their bottom line go higher. And then that would make their stock go higher. And then everybody would be happy except the actual people that were at the very end of it. So it was, it costs, I think like the estimated cost was $45 billion to the people of California. And that's a good point, Billy. Like imagine imagine how many like potential future podcasters were got hit by. a train because they didn't have the but the craziest part of this whole

story which sort of kind of changed my perspective on a lot of things the governor back then of California forgetting his name. Gray Davis. Gray Davis Democrat because of this whole blackouts people were angry people

were blaming him for this when he was fighting for regulation from the federal government who is you know Dick Cheney George Bush who was just like no this isn't a federal problem and Gary was like yes it is like that's in our state laws you guys control this type of stuff but it ended it ended with him not getting reelected and it ended with a newcomer to politics in a whole getting elected Arnold Schwarzenegger yeah and I was like wait a second yeah great

honestly I'm I'm happy that Arnold Schwarzenegger got elected governor just because it didn't affect me at all and that's hilarious but gray Davis really got fucked in all this yeah and I'm not I don't know anything about the guy or the rest of his policies, but I do know that the deregulation stuff happened. That was not his issue. And that directly caused the rolling blackouts that he was trying to fight against. And then people blamed him for it. And then Arnold Schwarzenegger, he really got fucked on that one. Like, Great Davis has to be sitting in a room somewhere being like, I told you. Like, it wasn't my fault. Arnold. Arnold. Arnold did it. Arnold. They might even be friends right now. But, um, but, um, but it's,

but like, I didn't know Arnold was skeevy like that. Well, I don't think Arnold was that skeevy. They just, he got recruited to run for government. governor and he wanted to he wanted to be governor I think Arnold Schwarzenegger's a good dude I don't know I don't think he was on some Brett farb shit I think that was he might have been on some Brett farf shit I don't think he was I like Arnold I like him a lot um is even not what Arnold if you like to explain your side of the story please come on macrodosing we'll give you an award how about yes an award for best person who didn't cause blackouts yeah for we'll give you a word for number one governor that didn't know what was actually behind the

California blackouts and wasn't born in the United States and is a great American yes perfect naturalized naturalized citizen and a Kennedy and he's a Kennedy how about that so these different policies that Enron came up with this is a great part too and this goes back to Big T what we're talking about earlier with if you're in the process of committing fraud but you feel like you're getting away with it making a lot of money how arrogant you get so like they put the name my ass on the report they came up with different names for the projects that they were using to make money in California

and the name that they came up with for their most I guess effective strategy was called Death Star so they just called it Death Star Just asking to get caught You're asking to get caught but they were just they knew that this was so I think deep down they knew that there were fucking people over

they didn't think about it too much but they knew that what they were doing was just like, this is bad, but we're making money. So that was how they would shuffle energy around. I'm reading from Wikipedia right now. The practice of shuffling energy around the California power grid to receive payments from the state for, quote, relieving congestion.

According to the company's own memo, they would be paid for moving energy to relieve congestion without actually moving any energy or relieving any congestion. You think that sounds like fraud? I think it's because it is fraud by like the letter of the law or what was, how Jha Rule put it? It's not fraud, that's false advertising.

Right? Big difference, Jha. Also, Billy McFarlane come on the podcast. Oh yeah, I think he's out of prison. Can we try to get him on? Is he not in jail anymore? Let's get him on. Is he in prison?

No, he's out. We should get him and the situation and just have to talk about prison. What about the pharma bro? Would you be interested in having him on? I've already done an interview with the farmer bro. We're in a band together. we started a band in 2016 where the first episodes

a part of my take. Oh yeah. He was going viral for saying some dumb shit. I forget what it was. Well, he was also for raising the price. Yeah, for raising the price on the medication. Yeah. And so we had him on the podcast

and he said that he would start band with us. And then I think I told him that I had fucked his mom or something. I forget. Did he actually get that Wu-Tang album? I think he got taken away. He might have gotten taken away, yeah. Justice for Schrelli. so uh so yeah yeah so back to back to this real quick and let's do get billy mcfarland on the podcast i would love to

have him bro what happened so here's an example of how death star worked if the california power grid was congested with energy flowing south iran would then schedule energy to be transmitted north to oregon so then in ron would receive a payment from california for relieving congestion on the grid then Enron would schedule the energy to be transferred back to its point of origin, but not through California. So then the energy would end up right back where it started, and Enron would be paid by California without actually putting any electricity on their grid. So traders could buy power at $250,000, sell it for $1,200. And there was zero legal issue for it whatsoever.

Kind of crazy. Kind of crazy that they were just like directing power out of the state. They also had other code names for their projects called Fat Boy. Remember Fat, you know what Fat Boy is? Fat Boy is the name of the second atomic bomb, I think, that was dropped in World War II on Nagasaki. So first one, do you remember the first one? It was Little Boy and Fat Man. Oh, yeah, you're right.

Yes, this is a combination of the two. It's called Fat Boy? So this is called Fat Boy. So that involved over-scheduling power transmission. So, for example, to a company subsidiary that did not really need it, then Enron would sell the excess power to the state at a much higher price. There was one called Rikishay. And Rikishay was the power equivalent of a land flip. So you bought in-state power and then you'd flip it out of state and then resell it to California.

That's what we were talking about earlier. So at the imported price, that's where, oh, this is the Mercedes-Benz of power that we're sending you. It's imported. It's exotic because we sent it to Flagstaff for like 50 minutes, so we're going to sell it back to you now. And that got around the in-state regulations of how much you could sell energy for. Black Widow, that's another good name. Totally not evil at all. No, so they would put errors into potentially money-losing transactions,

and then they would use those errors to invalidate. transactions when they lost money. There was Bigfoot that was low electricity bids, but they'd signed them as a competitor depressing energy prices to enable low price Enron purchases and then get Shorty. That was Enron. Great movie, by the way.

Enron selling electricity that doesn't own so it depresses demand and then it buys back the notional electricity at lower prices. So it would sell electricity It would sell electricity that didn't own, which makes the value of electricity much lower because there's not a market for it. And then they would buy that fake electricity back at a low price, and then they would sell it again once the price went higher. Again, if you think that this sounds insane, it's because it is 100% actually insane. So they basically fucked over the state of California for a couple years

And people's electricity bills skyrocketed The funniest scene I thought in the movie Was the lady that brought the pie to the meeting Do you remember that? The blueberry pie? There was a So skilling was at like a public I don't know if it was a town hall meeting or what

But this lady brought a blueberry pie with her Because her electricity bill had gone up And he was fucking over the state Oh, yeah, he threw it. And she threw a pie and it hit him right in the head. And it left him covered from like head to toe with this blueberry pie dripping down the side of his face. We don't pie people enough in public anymore. Wait.

We got, uh, don't want to say that. Just kind of asking for people to pie us. Well, we're not the first. Yeah, I know. But it's, it's very funny. We should pie more, more fraudsters. Yes. In public.

Who, should we make a pie hit list? you can yeah that's a good project parody law yeah pie hit list this is all joke this is all joke

number one I don't think we're gonna agree Bill Cosby Bill Cosby yeah what was the what possibly could

the please don't pie Bill Cosby side of this equation I don't know because what if he accidentally gets hit with it then falls and like

oh no can I can I pie then the then the violent rapist is dead I know, but I don't want that on my conscious Can I pie someone?

You'd be like a hero. Yeah. I know, I know, but let's This is very complicated. But let's mention Bill Cosby a lot on this podcast. I'm okay with pying Bill Cosby. Can we pie the Nelfth Boys? Okay.

No, because then they're going to retaliate and they have violent fans. Can I pie the Nelke boys? Yes, again. You say whoever. This is a free space. We may never see you again, but yeah. This is a free space for advocating public pying.

Oh, Bill de Blasio. Get him. Get his ass. Big T. Who do you want a pie? I like how Billy is like, yeah, fuck Bill de Blasio. Bill Cosby,

uh, no, but like he's old. I don't want him to get hit with a pie and then fall over and die. De Blasio is old too, right? Yeah,

but he's tall. There'd be no shame in pie and Keith Olberman the face on his balcony and if he fell, he falls. Yeah, he really,

he's just, he's the absolute worst. I actually might be, uh, never mind. I'll tell you guys that I have a show. Okay. All right.

I'm okay with pying. Who's the guy in the Houston Texans? Jack Easterby. Pie that guy. Roger Goodell? Yeah, pie Goddell. Mm-hmm. Pie Goddell.

He'd be a good pie. Deshawn Watson. Pie him. Pie him. Yeah. Pie him. Some pie. Pie him.

Double pie. If you're in the greater Cleveland, Ohio area, pie, Deshawn Watson. He's a kinky fuck, though. He'd probably like that. It's pie to nuts. He might. Yeah.

So, yeah. This guy got pied. That kind of rocked when you got, took that blueberry pie to his face. And then, yeah, so then Arnold Schwarzenegger got elected off of all this. Then the government finally did some investigations. They got some guys to flip from the C-suite in exchange for lesser sentencing. One of the guys had to pay back, I think, $23 million. And he testified against the other guys in the C-suite.

And I think he got, he got $10. 10 years in prison. The other guy spent longer times in prison. Some of them had a heart attack, which is good. And then, yeah, that kind of leads us to where we are today in terms of the whole regulatory conversation. So I was picking on Big T earlier, but I do actually think that like when somebody says deregulate, it's because they want to make money off of rules being taken away entirely.

So you should also, you should always be like, wait, what if this person gets their way? what's the worst that could happen in this case like i really do think that it's just human nature that if you have a giant company that's in charge like their their entire thing is making a lot of money um and that's what they have to do they're going to figure out ways to lie and cheat to make all that money you should always kind of should be wary of those type of people um also involved in the scandal were uh the investment banks because enron was such a big company and making so much money in wall street they took a bunch of investments a bunch of loans I delved into this deeply because I didn't understand it.

Shout out Investopedia one more time. But to hide a lot of their debts from a lot of their failed, you know, ventures, one of which being a huge power plant in India, which backfired because no one wanted to touch India because at the time they built this huge power plant. And guess what? India couldn't pay for the power because it was too expensive because it was a lot of power and it was a state-of-the-art facility.

more on that later maybe in connection to 9-11 um so uh this guy fastow who i'm forgetting his first name oh yeah that guy that guy's his job was to just like talk to investment banks right so he was the cFO and basically he orchestrated a scheme to use off-balance sheet special purpose vehicles spivs as they're called uh who's basically only purpose in creation was to remove some of Enron's debt and by doing that is basically Enron would be, now I might butcher this but I think I got to

I explain the whole concept ideally so Enron has debt these companies who are backed by Enron's stock are taken to various investment firms be at venture capitalist firms, all the big players Chase Morgan Stanley I think

the Lehman brothers back when they were around were created. And basically they gained financing. And this guy, Fastow, who was the CFO at the time, was marketing them to all these banks. And he was a really good salesman. He was going in front of all these bank boards. He was like, look, you want to invest in this company. It does this. It's an energy company. It's basically just buying Enron assets, yada, yada, yada. And basically they're using those small companies to get money from banks. And then with that money, they basically pay off Enron's debts and take on Enron's debt. And they're not doing it. It's like in a really roundabout way,

whereas Enron's in debt will use the money from these shell corporations basically to pay those debts, but then that shell corporation's in debt. And what ends up happening is, is those shell corporations take on a ton of debt, but they're backed by Enron's stock. So what that means is, is that these banks can't get their money back because they all have vested interest in Enron stock. And if they were to like try to get those companies to collect on, basically collect on their debts, that would cause Enron stock to go down and impact them. So they have a vested interest to not collect those debts because it's keeping Enron afloat. They didn't, when they were first being marketed, they didn't really pick up. But then they got like, oh, that's where we're going

with this and became complicit in allowing it to happen. So it's kind of a natural thing too. Yeah. Because if the company you work for has so much financially leverage in these clients, it's another classic case of entertaining clients. Yeah, the clients were being entertained. Yes. Actually, it's a great explanation for how most business frauds take off.

I mean, I would have been a great employee at Enron. Yeah. I don't know that that's a ringing endorsement. of yourself, it's true. It's true, though. Billy would

all the clients would have been so entertained. Billy's a big time go along to get along kind of guy. I wouldn't actually I have a much higher

moral compass than people think. The road to, I donated a bunch of school supplies to a elementary school yesterday. Just wanted to put that in. Would you call them

school equipment? School equipment? The road to hell is paved with entertained clients. Like the most entertained of all time. That's what was happening on,

it was just, Yeah. There's a big orgy of clients that between the states themselves, the people in the legislatures, the company, and in the investment banks just all making each. Everyone was happy. Everyone was making money, but they were lying about all the stuff. So it was passing the buck. It was passing the buck. And so this dude, the CFO, he was in charge of, yeah, like Billy said, moving the debt around inside the company. So they would just create new shell companies. And then the credit ratings people. And you'll remember them from the big short, how the credit ratings people were more or less paid off by the banks because they were getting so much business from the banks in terms of rating their shit that the ratings agencies would never go out on a limb and say, hey, I think that this product that you're selling is very risky. That's exactly what's happening. And they had, the CFO was in charge of doing like internal audits at Enron. And so all the credit rating, agencies were like, yeah, we have complete, they do the best risk assessment. They have a guy

whose entire job is just assessing risk inside any deal that's over $500,000 at Enron. So we have complete confidence in them. Turns out the guy that was assessing the risk is also the guy that's in charge of all the finances at Enron. So is that guy going to lie to the investment banks? You bet your ass he is and you bet your ass he did. And so the investment banks turned a blind die and everybody made money once again. Merrill Lynch actually bought Nigerian barges. Yeah, that was from Enron. Just to get them off Enron's book, so Enron was coming up at like the end of a quarter and they were like, hey, Merrill Lynch, our stock's going to go down because

we've got a lot of money tied up in these barges that are in Nigeria. So could you just, could you buy these barges from us for four months and just so you can get them off our books and then we'll buy them back after the quarter's over so it looks like we made more money off this this boat sale that we had this concept's pretty weird because I was I wanted to really understand this stuff so I could explain it on the podcast because but basically what that move did was okay so I'm Merrill Lynch PFT's and Ron and that cup of homophobic chicken soda is the tankers so yeah I hear you big to you I give him a dirty look too uh That was a joke.

I didn't want to give free ads. But if I'm like, so you're like, I'm in debt. I'm not going to do well. And it's in my best interest for you to do well. So you're like, okay, I will give you money. Because I have unlimited money. I'm a bank. So that you can be in the positive if you give me that soda that is weighing down your finances.

So I get the soda. Okay. So now you're good. You're square. And I gave you unlimited money. So. Yeah. This is unlimited money.

Now, the Zen that Billy just gave me is money. Yeah. So now you're looking good. Your share price goes up. I'm happy. You're happy. So now I have this, but you're going to have to buy it back for me because that was the deal. So you are going to then borrow more money from me.

Okay. Can I get some more money to get my? Here's more money. Okay. And then I'm going to, I just, wait. Yeah. So then you're going to give me back money. money. Yep. All the money that you gave me. All, yeah, yeah, and I'm going to get my soda back.

You're going to get your soda back. Interesting example. But guess what? That debt that you now have to me because you borrowed the money from me is now going to your Shell Corporation. Well, and all, yeah, and also, you know, the debt is now with Avery. And you know what? The price of the stock went up because I didn't have this homophobic chicken soda on my books when the quarter was over. So that means that guess what, my company made money, you also made money as the investment bank because you own so much of my company.

Exactly. So your price went up too. As long as nobody, if you just move money around enough and you keep counting. Yeah, if you just keep creating new companies inside your own company and moving money around and transferring it, you don't actually have to bring in any new

money at all if you can just make it look like you're making money. Yeah, if you just make it look like you're making money, your stock price can go through the roof. And it did. It was people were eating high off the hog for a long time. Hell yeah. It was a good time to be living in Houston back then.

Actually, I have to ask Arian about that. Although that was pre-Aryan. He probably has some stories, though, because everybody in Houston worked for Enron. Or knew somebody that worked for Enron at the time. And then shit hit the, should we get to the shit-hitting the fan? Yeah, I mean, we talked about it a little bit already, but go for it. Shit hit the fan.

But this is who it impacted. Enron had bought. bought up a lot of small electric companies with the deregulation of California just so they can control the supply chain and, you know, be a top-down monopoly almost. So like Portland electric grid, I forget the exact one, but basically there was a bunch of former government workers who are now bought up by a privatized company. They were using the 401Ks to buy government, buy this private company's shares that were doing well for the time being. And, everyone and you know at the time everything was good but shit hit the fan when a wall street

journal journalist started to peck around she was like hey wait you know this is going too well uh this going really well let's let's just you know poke around ask some questions see what's happening and uh publish a report and just like say hey is is is is enron overvalued a common article for many overvalued or successful companies to try to you know they're journalists they're just poking at things like is Josh Allen overrated

is you know let's talk about it is he he's got a rocket arm does he he does yeah in that case yeah okay the poking didn't work on Josh now he does is Josh Allen too much of a scrambler no because it works

okay yeah so boom so which quarterback is in Russell Wilson Yeah, there you go Well, it also feels like you're just jumping on Russ Because he's down right now Well, he went from You know, the Pacific Northwest

Much like Enron He was doing with the Portland I think if you were to compare An NFL quarterback to Enron Russell Wilson is not a bad example I would compare Russell Wilson more to like FedEx because I feel like I feel like it'll tick back up

just give it some time but I was going to say Flacco because No no no no Flacco is still kind of producing He's kicking Flack no Flacco is game stop Yes A late resurgence

Flacko was fucking massive a while ago Went completely away Nobody knew what was happening And then all of a sudden people are like Yo Joe Flacco Joe Flacco Joe Flacko He won a crazy fucking game Last week No disrespect Mad Dog

Now everyone's talking about Joe Flacco But it's also kind of like We're in on the joke We're like we realize it's not going to stick around Enron has to be somebody that was good But like fraudulently so Like carried by a defense And then fell off precipitously quickly

I had a theory that Patrick Mahomes Would really struggle without Tyreek Hill And if he had struggled and been doing badly He'd be Enron but he's not Yes This is actually I think a Colin Coward segment I can hear him directly to stocks if it's not it should be

it will be within the month but yeah okay so good good question Kirk Cousins He keeps getting paid He's evaluated His evaluated value is very high I think but he's not Sam Bradford

I have one Sam Bradford is in Ron Because he never Follow me on this one Sam Bradford never did anything To make you want to give him money Or exchange for your draft picks But he kept getting traded for

other first round draft picks. He, you kept just moving him around, and, and the first rounders kept going from city to city to city, and he was just, he never actually brought anything of value. There is a quarterback who got to a Super Bowl with a pretty good defense, an offensive system that hadn't been really figured out yet. Now he's back in the driver's seat. And then was out of the league pretty quickly after that. Oh, no, you're thinking of someone else.

Who were you thinking of? Carapolo. Oh, no. You were thinking of, uh, uh, Delver? What was that? It's a cap. Yeah. Kaepernick?

Yeah. Oh, you think Kaepernick's in, Ron. That's a spicy take. There's some interesting similarities. Are there? I would like to, I'd want you to be right about this because this is a fantastic line of thinking. I mean, it's just what I described. I need a pee timeout.

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Not necessarily a fraud. He had success on the back of a system that was designed specifically around him that nobody had figured out yet. Yeah. And that team was really good around him. They got to a Super Bowl, didn't win. And then shortly thereafter, he was never to be heard from again. For other reasons, but, well, kind of.

Oh, so no, yeah, you just said Colin Kaepernick got Blackbolt by the NFL. Well, no, his talent wasn't enough to outweigh his. baggage. No, but you just said for other reasons. There were other reasons. So he'd still be in the league if it weren't for... No, no, no. He has the talent to be a backup quarterback in the NFL. Yeah. The baggage that would come with that after the things that he chose to do is probably not worth a team signing him, similar to, say, Tim Tebow. Yeah, he definitely should have

played football from this... Like, he's a much better quarterback than Tim Tebow. Sorry, Nick, if you're listening, please just continue to skip this part. That's Nick Adams, by the way. Yeah. But Colin Kaepernick, I think there's definitely something to the idea that he's not a backup quarterback because you have to have him in a system that is unique from a lot of other quarterbacks in the NFL because he's so talented with his legs. So guys like him aren't necessarily great backup quarterbacks because you have to have like two playbooks. But he's certainly talented enough to have gotten many other chances when you look around the league and see who else is getting chances. I think we can agree on that.

Yes, he is better than some quarterbacks who have signed contracts in the NFL. But it's like anything, if you have additional things that go along with signing you, your talent needs to exceed your baggage. Deshawn Watson's talent exceeds his baggage. If he was not talented, he would not have signed a huge contract. I don't know that his baggage is also like way, way bigger. Correct. Yes, he did bad things.

Do you think that Deshawn Watson? It's different, obviously. Deshawn was coming off of a pretty decent. year, like statistically. Colin wasn't really. But before that, prior to that down year, prior to his injury, Kaepernick at his peak, was, I'd say close to being as good as Deshaun at his peak.

I don't necessarily agree with that. Oh, dude, you need to watch the playoff games against the Packers. For a nine-game stretch in that year, it was 2012? I mean, he had two really nice, like the play consecutive. playoffs. He was really good. But it's not a bad comparison. I think that an app comparison would also be Enron is the Legion of Boom.

You know, in Seattle. Because follow me on this one. And that was Billy's voice back from a P. They exploited some of the rules about, hey, let's just grab and hold on every single play. Let's play so physical because they can't catch us if we do it all the time. So they egregiously bent the rules. They were very

aggressive. They were good at it. They were damn good at it. And they had some success. They won a Super Bowl. And then it all came crumbling down after they lost that other Super Bowl in a notable fashion. Fraudulent prescriptions. Fraudulent prescriptions, for sure. They were doing a lot of Viagra and Adderall. Hell of a combination right there. Here's my one statement on Kaepernick. Okay. Can't wait. I think the biggest blow to his career was when he was talking up Shay Gavara and then got stopped by Kiko Alonzo in Miami by a Cuban and to end the game. And I think that was just such a blow that he like the Cubans were going nuts after that. They were.

They like wanted him dead. And Kiko Alonzo was the hit man. Yeah. He became a cliche glauara. Yeah. Good point, Billy. So that was Billy's one opinion on Colin Kaepernick was that Kiko Lanzai. Hanzo hit was awesome.

I mean, like, maybe Kiko Alonzo wouldn't have been trying so hard to chase you down if you didn't, like, glorify people, like, an oppressive regime that, like, causal. Che Guevarra contained multitudes. I mean, like, just backing that hole. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not going to, I'm not going to both sides the, uh, the Castro regime. Although, they, they had good good health care there in Cuba. And I think like a 99% literacy rate, a lot of other bad stuff, obviously.

killed a lot of people displaced most of the countryside and was a very bad genocidal dictator. No, you should go live there. It sounds great. It sounds like you're really talking it up. Yeah. I mean, I'm doing the, the billy, the trains ran on time. I never said that. Literally, when you're, when you're doing Mount Rushmore, you try to, like, shit on other people's picks and it just was really clumsy. Billy, you did say at one point, like, I was just giving orders as your excuse which is not no i did not yes that's not a valid excuse that i was just getting that i was just giving orders excuse has never been i never said that never been even attempted in a court of law much less successful so uh oh back to in ron unless anybody else has an idea for a quarterback

that could be considered in i've been trying to think i just can't really think of a one that fits all my criteria or a basketball player is there a basketball player that could be considered in ron Linsanity Yeah I don't know He was just like kind of a Flash in the Pan moment I don't think there was anything fraudulent about him

You can't be That's the thing in the NBA you can't You can't fraudulently put up A shitload of points right Right but he did eventually get figured out Yeah they figured him out So and then Fell off quickly

Yeah Although he I mean he played in the league for a long time after that Brady Anderson I don't know who that is You don't know Brady Anderson, a baseball player. He hit, the only thing people talk about with Brady Anderson, which is kind of unfair, is that he hit 50 home runs during the steroid year. Baseball is a much better one to do this with because they're, I feel like we need to take the fraudulent part out of it.

Because that, like, how are you good fraudulently? Like, Jeff Frankour looked like, when I was a kid, I thought Jeff Frankour was going to be Babe Ruth. And then he just, I mean, took a nose dive. love him in the Braves boot, though. He's very good as an analyst. But there are a lot of baseball players who for a year are incredible and then fall off. Yeah. I feel like that's the –

Baseball is the hardest sport to be good at for a long time. It is because I think in baseball, you can – you can – it's the streakiest sport. Right. So if you get into a good headspace and you're feeling good and you're confident, you can put up – there are such things as like crazy outlier years in baseball. even though it's the biggest sample size over the course of a year, they're crazy outlier years just because you're in the zone and sometimes it has nothing to do with steroids or anything else.

And then you just kind of go back to sucking after a while. I've kind of felt in the zone today. Have you? Yeah. All right. Let us know. Has Billy been in the zone? I've been feeling super focused.

I got a great workout in this morning. Yeah? She's been buzzing. Billy's been buzzing. What's the moon like? Good question. It's probably about to be full. all right so what else do we have for the downfall of in ron billy um so really it was really

terrible because people's retirement funds especially those working for the company who had put all of their 401k money into the stock went from uh i think one guy in the movie talked about how it went from you know 45k to uh 1200 dollars in overnight because they froze everyone's asset assets they were bankrupting people and people lost their whole retirements and that's that sucks yeah so there was um there's a question about like how does enron make money and they couldn't explain how they couldn't provide a balance sheet yeah so they couldn't provide a balance sheet and then in in an earnings call there was uh somebody from the wall street journal and they were like hey how come you can't why can't you provide a

balance sheet like you're a financial company and you can't provide a balance sheet this is crazy and then skilling his response was just uh thank All right. Thanks very much. Asshole. Called him an asshole, which, and then everybody at the company started like cheering when they heard that. They were like, great job. But it's like you didn't provide a balance sheet. Also, that's a nerd move.

Yeah. What? To be like calling someone an asshole and then everyone that you work for being like, oh, yeah, that's so funny. Yeah. That's how you know that you're in a fraudulent line of business. That's what happened with Elizabeth Holmes. I was just going to say that.

Right? They started doing the fuck you carry room. yeah also nron leads into how elizabeth holmes got her start you know what how's that and her dad worked for enron oh i forgot her dad was a VP at nron so this is what she'd do she could take the SEC on whatever regulatory government body that regulates all this shit and we should just make it a bunch of bullies like just in pull like if you find out who's the big bully at bill gates in school like who's like and just make them like bullies to keep these nerds and check to remind them that they're just nerds humble beginnings yeah yeah yeah there should be

more bullying as adults yeah like just like send them into all these like silicone valley Ryan Whitney yeah yeah just have them walk around and just bully the shit out of them so that they don't act up and start like yeah it's like like like kind of like a Napoleonic complex type thing yeah I think that's a good idea I think every fortune 500 company should have like a mandatory audit a bully audit a VP of bullying per year No, it's got, it's an outsider, I think. So it's a mandatory audit. You get Ryan Whitney to show up and you distribute a pamphlet with that fucking mugshot of his that he has where he just looks like the biggest asshole in the world.

I love Ryan Whitney, by the way. And you just send Witt into like a board meeting. He hangs out and just dummies you, just like beats you up, like gives you wedgies, hangs the CEO from the door by your underwear. You think you're smart guy? Smart guy? You think you're smart guy? You think you a smart guy, huh? Fucking pigeon.

How about them apple? Yeah. Some Biz and Witt. That's what they should do. Bizz and Witt should just go coast to coast to every... Hockey enforcers, the SEC should hire them. I agree. Avery, you work with the chicklets guys a lot.

You think that Witt would be down? Like, if you just sent Witt into a boardroom as a consultant, and you're just like, hey, look at these fucking nerds. I want you to make sure that they're not thinking that they're cool because they're not. You think Witt could just go in there and chew them up? Whitney, there'd have to be golf involved. Like there'd have to be some sort of golf trip involved in that aspect. Oh, he has to go golfing with the CEOs and the high-powered people, so they don't feel too hot shit.

Yeah, if you put Whitney on the golf course, we'll do anything, and Bizz will for sure say yes. Okay. Yeah. I like that. It's a good idea. It's a good idea. On behalf of the taxpayers, I think that this is actually, there is a kernel of truth to this, too, where if you give nerds money, they're going to do something. Well, they think they can commit crimes.

Nards never commit crimes. Yeah. So if you give nerds money, they're going to think that they own the world. they're going to think that they're cool and they're not and they're going to get themselves into a shitloader trouble. Yeah. They're going to cheat on their wives with strippers. Do you also think that nerds do this a lot like in regards to Enron and I guess Elizabeth Holmes?

Nerds do this and get in so much trouble later in life because they didn't get in trouble earlier in life and so they don't know how to get themselves out of trouble? You know what I noticed that nerds actually did get away with a lot more. more because they were never the target of authoritarian script fuel yeah that's actually a good point billy like if you think back to high school there were guys that were always uh they're always on the radar of the administration the class clown the usual suspects were usually in the crosshairs and so they never had the feeling of having to look over their shoulder one they weren't breaking the rules that often but two no one ever suspected them like doing anything they probably

yeah actually like no one like they don't have the same fear of getting caught sometimes that people that have been caught before typically have and so then they become an adult and they have all this pent up

I don't know if aggression is the right word rebellion or they I don't know if it's even insecurity yeah insecurity it's like it's they want they want to feel like they're the man because they've never been the man before and now all of a sudden

they have a position of power they kind of are the man. And a BMX bike. And so then they just do shit like this and pour gasoline all over themselves and say, well, I'm not going to get caught. Yeah, when you always come home and smell like gasoline,

like what the f? Yeah, it's not. How much are you filling up? I mean, she divorced him in the end. He's probably driving a pretty big car. I also bet there was just like kind of an unwritten agreement there.

If he drove a Hummer, it would make sense. Do you think he probably did, he probably went out and bought a car. Hummer just to have an excuse to stop briot. The opposite of Blake Bordel was buying a Tesla to stop dipping. What if he had a perfume bottle just full of fill in gasoline? So he just got his car with,

that'd be smart. Yeah. So he did have to spill it on him? Yeah. Yeah. So I guess the moral of the story is like there should be bullies for adults sometimes. Yeah. 100%. So anything else that we went to, oh, Arthur Anderson.

We haven't talked about Arthur Anderson. Yeah. So Arthur Anderson was, I think. think they were one of the big big five yeah so one of the biggest accounting firms in the united states and they would get called in to do audits on on various companies they were so close with uh in ron and they were so fraudulent with how they were dealing with nron again another case of entertaining clients because in ron was such a massive client of theirs where uh they ended up they went completely bankrupt right they went completely out of business because they

were so closely tied in to Enron and they were they helped inron get away with a lot of shit where uh you know the wall street journal was reaching out asking all these questions they would just get pointed over to arthur anderson arthur anderson helped them lie about everything and again boom everything was a house of cards and then got fucked um in about 2001 the stock started taking a downturn uh skilling resigned and sold $33 million worth of Enron shares. So that's pretty good. He got a nice little chunk of change out of that.

Pretended to know, he knew that the company was going down. The stock started to go down when Skilling got out. And he was like, you know what? Hopefully I'll be gone for a while. And by the time the company completely collapses, nobody will blame me because it'll been, you know, a year or two since I've left. Turns out everybody just remembered, oh, yeah, that guy, he was in charge of everything. So he's definitely responsible for it.

So then they got a credit rating downgrade, and then the company just collapsed. They laid everyone off. They went bankrupt, November 28, 2001. So they got reduced to a junk status from all the credit agencies. And really all it takes is one to say, like, hey, we're not in anymore. And then at that point, it's a confidence game. And then every other credit company out there sees the one downgrade. start thinking themselves, wait, what are their reasons for downgrading? Let's take a closer look.

Oh, yeah, they might be onto something. And that's kind of what the Enron executives blamed. They actually kind of did a cancel culture thing after the fact. They were like, yeah, well, it was just, you know, the media said something. And then one credit agency said something. And then everybody else kind of piled on. So Enron claimed that they got canceled, but they actually just weren't making any money at all. So yeah, then everybody lost all their jobs, lost all their money. Stock price went down into the toilet and that's pretty much it and now

for how Enron did 9-11 Okay Billy No So as we So this is this is like a hypothetical Let's just call it historical fiction So Speaking about that

Enron's collapse was actually Right around the time of 9-11 And I actually was doing a lot of like research I was trying to see, like, how that may have impacted it. We all know, like, you know, there was a lot of interest in the war in Iraq around oil, energy. And if we're thinking about it, like, this is all Enron was into. So it's like, like, if you watch a documentary, Bush, Cheney, everyone's involved. I mean, Bush at one point was sending, I guess what today we would call a cameo to one of the leaving.

Do you remember that? Yeah, I didn't think of it as a camera. but that's exactly like I didn't know they did cameos back then I was like what this is like the early 2000s also early 2000s officially long time ago yeah I was watching that and I was like holy shit that's like old yeah that it when you see like the the lack of high death on on the footage it's really stark and the baggy suits yeah like the fashion's a little bit different back then this documentary came out in 2005 and they're talking about all these these events taking place in 2000 and 2001. I was like, this looks like it was made in 1993. Yeah. I was like,

is this the 80s? And all, yeah, all the women with like the perms and the sport coats and the big lipstick. It, you're right, Billy.

This did. This makes me feel old because I was alive in 2000. This makes me feel old. Yeah. Because I, you don't remember that though. I don't remember. Well,

I was, well, I don't remember it. But like, that time period, I was like that, like, like looking back on that.

I was like, there's definitely been a change, like a decade type change between now and then like it was you know how we can all differentiate like the 70s from the 60s from the 80s and the 90s and then like you're alive and then you're like oh it's all blurring like I'm looking at the 2000s I'm like that's a decade that's like that's got its own spin it's got its own vibes like the music in the documentary had its own vibes I was like whoa like this is actually old but anyway back to 9-11 uh so there's

There's a conspiracy theory that the Bush Cheney and the much gossip about energy task force convened daily with high priority meetings to try and engineer a bailout for Enron, who was Bush's most generous campaign contributor. So it was at the peak of the Enron scandal. And what they were trying to do is they thought that they could make the Indian power plant profitable by connecting it to a like an energy gas. pipeline in the Caspian Sea but to do that you had to go over Afghanistan and that would undermine Iraqi energy production and oil production and then also like pick up natural gas in Afghanistan and that was how the Enron and that's how they were going to bail out and run by giving all the contracts to Enron. Pretty far-fetched connection but you know it's it's you know funny like it's

interesting to think about because that's the connection between Enron and 9-11, something that happened very close to each other and involved a lot of the same players but that's it's crazy there hasn't been more connections like people have spun up that is crazy like people have connected

we're all waiting for you to do it. Yeah I'll write a little but like yeah hmm hmm yeah yeah Billy really really dive deep into that All right, that was Enron That was Enron

I think we did a pretty good job on that I think we have a lot of facts Oh good A lot of facts out there There's a And they have the best merch ever Yeah so Matt Doug How do you feel about your

Your appreciation of Enron merch So, okay So I actually was thinking about this When I was watching the documentary And I was like Okay these are really really really bad guys Still got good merch though Like I can't deny it

I have a good look go buy the Enron macro shirt in the Varsal store. Use code PFT or Big T or Billy. Use code Jake. No, big T the other code. Actually, you know what? You know what? You know what? Use code Kate because Kate's actually been grinding

her ass off herself and has gotten the number one spot. Without any other, she got a stripper to go into the yak. Which is against the rules. I don't know if you checked your email recently. Yeah, wasn't supposed to do. Big man upstairs said bad.

Oh, really? It was strippers in the office. We would happen to this company. I know. It's bullshit. But they have good merch and when Jake said Enron field, I've done some digging on eBay to try to find vintage Enron stuff. And there's not a ton of like authentic Enron merch, but there's a lot of Enron field merch, weirdly enough. And I almost bought an Enron field merch a couple weeks ago.

But good merch. Bad people know how to do some good marketing. And they've got me. 20 years later. But, yeah, fuck them, though. Fucking Ron. And we will see you in... Bunch and use code Billy to buy merch.

Do you want to do voicemails? Should we do voicemails? Yeah, I see some. Oh, yeah, sure. Okay, ready? What's up, Macrodos? And it's Joe from Ohio, Buck the Brown. I get that off my chest.

But I got a question for you all. It's kind of weird. So what or who is the most problematic person that your hometown claims? You know what I mean? Like, okay, this guy lived here. This famous guy lives here. Like, for me, I live in Stowe where Larry Zonka grew up and played. And I know that there's nothing really official, but, I mean, Larry Zonka has got to be problematic, right?

And I work in Ashtabula where legendary Urban Myers from, yeah, so it was problematic. So, yeah, fuck the Browns. Have great days, say handsome. Avery, you're the hottest. Bye. Avery, let's go. That's nice. Getting some shine.

I'll tell you what. I'll give you one. Brian Cushing is from my hometown. Oh, really? Yeah. It's a pretty problematic guy. Is he? No.

Yeah. He just like the sauce. Who's Brian Cushing? The sauce is problematic, though. For some people. Who's Brian Cushing? Brian Cushing's best friend. Yeah, he was on the Arian's team.

Why is he bad? He just took some steroids. He's not bad. He's not bad. Mine is pretty easy. I'm from Old Hickory, Tennessee, which is named for... Do you know who Old Hickory was? Andrew Jackson.

That's correct. The present. Yeah, and it's right next to Hermitage, Tennessee, which is where his home, the hermitage was. So I guess he's slightly problematic for some of the things he did under his tenure. Yeah, he killed a lot of people. That's what some say. Some would say genocide. Again, it's the way they wrote the books.

Billy. Most problematic person from New York. From New York, yeah. Trump? Jeffrey Epstein? Yeah, Epstein. Well, Epstein's not, well, he's from Quill. All boroughs?

I was born in the city, grew up in, actually, let me look something up. Mine are the Paul brothers, Jake and Logan Paul. Typhoid Mary Okay Yeah, that's a pretty bad one Yeah Let's see My hometown

We didn't have a We had like a bank robber But you didn't have like a You didn't have like a notorious Like celebrity from your area No not really like Grant Hill The D.C. sniper? Wait, you don't know who Grand Hill was

No Who's racist? It's too bad You don't are you're kidding Wait wait You don't know who Grand Hill is The basketball bar? Yeah

Yeah Why is he problematic? He's not At all. He's goaded. Yes, he's the least problematic person ever. There's a guy that robbed the bank from my hometown. Oh, MS-13. The entire organization.

Yeah, that's tough. Aren't they from Central America? El Salvador, but yeah. What's MS-13? It's a gang from El Salvador. Mara Salvatuka. Wait, but you're, what? My hometown, my street in particular was like round zero for MS-13 when it first

started popping up in the United States. It was like my street and then the city of Los Angeles were the two hot spots. where it started. Gangs of New York? Yeah, I know. Alabama Drive, man. You don't want to fuck with Alabama Drive. Did they like you?

Yeah, I guess. They didn't really have an opinion on me. They just kind of let me... I did my thing. They did theirs. Did people call you Elf Boy when you were younger? No, I called myself that. Oh, okay.

Yeah. Did people call me Elf Boy? No. I've literally never... I just said... No, it's Elf Boy! I thought it looked like an... elf. I got a gringo, you know, that sort of thing. It was mutual respect. They just knew

when I was coming down the street. I was going to make my way to the McDonald's breakfast buffet. They weren't going to hurt me. Whoa, whoa. Whoa. What? We had a McDonald's breakfast buffet. I didn't even know that was a thing, period. I don't think it is a thing except my McDonald's had one growing up. Did you have a knockoff McDonald's? No, it was a legit McDonald's. You're kidding. prove it I don't think I've never been to another McDonald's that had a breakfast

I don't think there is another McDonald's It was only on Saturday or Sunday mornings It was like a weekend thing And it was super cheap I want to say it was like 399 The brief and magical history

of fast food buffets Wait so you would go And there would be like unlimited hot cakes And sausages and stuff Hotcakes sausages Eggs Hash browns Hash browns

Oh buddy I mean I could put down If there was unlimited McDonald's hash browns I could get to 20 Yeah, I think so Yeah, 20 of them I think you could too

Fucked It was great So yeah What are you finding Are you fact checking me on this bill? Yeah No, no no It definitely did exist

But it just wasn't profitable And it got No shit Most Well yeah no shit But also It wasn't hygienic Yeah

Also no shit But like buffets exist Yeah It's not like no one's ever made the two most obvious things about a McDonald's buffet I need to bring back

the Pizza Hut buffet I love the pizza there was there was one left Can we go to a buffet this weekend Sure All right I just realized I haven't been to Buffet in such a long time

Sorry to cut you off I was just There was one left in Nashville And I don't know If it's reopened after COVID I haven't been back A pizza buffet Pizza Hut buffet was just go to

I dip the breadsticks in the pudding That's so gross with me What? Can we make a quick, like, Disgusting. Can we make a quick list of stuff we're going to do to eat? There's a place called Austin's Steak and Homestyle Buffet.

You heard of it? Never heard of it. Oh, a homestyle buffet. It's not you. If we're going to go to like a shitty but great restaurant, I'd much rather go to Waffle House. Yeah, yeah, no, definitely, we've got to hit Waffle House. It's right next to our hotel. And cookout.

This place is in Oxville and it says it's the best, someone said it's the best steak I've ever had in my life. Best steaks, best steaks. I guess we got to try here. spots we can make we can make a list billy they have froyo too huh stay can frow yeah wow yeah do any of you guys ever go to the buffet like buffets with the is it froyo or is it ice cream that you like that's fro yeah that's fro yeah well it depends there's two different ones like that or soft serve it's like vanilla soft serve or frozen yogurt comes out of the same thing I was

got in trouble for putting my mouth under this one and just putting it directly into my mouth I thought it was so cool. Have you been to the one in Kipps Bay? No. Big T. knows what I'm talking about. What in Kips Bay? Tasty Delight. Oh, I've been there.

That place sucks. I love that. There's a place next to it that's good, though. There's two frozen yogurt places right next to each other, and my girlfriend likes the one that sucks, and I like the good one. That's tough. That's an impossible battle to win. Oh, I win it every time.

Brother, don't underestimate me. Guess who's paying for it? You are. Next voice. You're a gentleman. Next voicemail? Yep. Hey, Macrodote and Crew, this is Greg from an undisclosed location.

My question today is, if you guys were to die and go to heaven, and God was there and asked you, what age would you want to spend the rest of the Trinity as? What age would you pick and why? All right. Stay beautiful, everyone. Stay gorgeous, especially you, Big T. Appreciate you, K. 19 right now yeah I was going to say I feel like 25 is like the sweet spot yeah I was absolutely hacked at 19 what does that mean I was like the most jack that I've ever been that's it

hacked that is like my ultimate form I think it's pretty clear that 25 is the right call yeah 25's good because we're just talking about our bodies right our minds are still gone through our whole lives. No, I think your mind is part of your body. Like, would you want to be like a six year old with an adult mind? Well, if you're in heaven, you're kind of like, um, yeah, you're omnis. So like, you just want your best physical specimen of yourself. Yeah, I think 25, 25 for me. We'll see what when we get there, really. I was like, well, yeah, it might be different for everybody. Or a baby. What? You want to be a baby and have. Why? So everyone just carries you and

everybody would come up to you and be like, oh, I love you. I love you. I love you. I love you. Not even not, but I feel like if you're a baby. But I feel like if you're a baby in heaven there's a different spot for you slash I feel like you're kind of not a sentient being you're kind of just there you just so you want to black out in heaven I don't know

wait I feel like a baby's not I'm confused so you're at the gates God's like how old do you want to be and you're like maybe too are you choosing your form for the rest of heaven because I would want to be my best physical form but why what's that going to do what do you do

lift in heaven Yeah, you can do whatever you want in heaven Yeah, I feel like that is a pretty big part of Billy's Paradise No, but like, you know, also you can do physical stuff You can play sports, right? Again, but you could, it's heaven, you can play sports as a baby Yeah, but you'd suck But you wouldn't because it's heaven

No, you would suck still as baby You'd be playing other people in heaven No one would tackle you Yeah, but I guess that's not part of my heaven Like my heaven isn't playing football and hitting Max PRs Is there? Can you sin in heaven? No It's a good question, Billy.

I don't think you want to sin in heaven. I think that's what the response to be, right? No, I don't think there's a reason to sin in heaven. But everybody's sins. It's like, what are you scheming? Yeah. I mean, there's no coveting. You can't covet.

Just, you know, like, do you still have appetites in heaven? That's a great question. I don't know. I feel like no. Because what if you're having... That's your physical body. But what if your personal heaven is just a lot of sinning? Well, this is actually a...

this is something I love to think like you just go where the stuff like so for example like for some people the idea of like a gigantic like sinful place which is hell and some people like oh that's fucking fun like yeah that scene in uh where's that scene in that movie where they all go to sin I forget um leaving Las Vegas fair and loathing in Las Vegas no but like yeah so like all the crazy stuff like rock and roll fire like fire like Some people like, oh, that's my heaven. Like, that's sick. They, like, do drugs. Are you talking about hot tub time machine? Yes. Yes. Wait.

I was like, that seems like a movie Billy would like. Wait, is that the one where they like go to the... It's like Craig Robinson. Yeah, yeah. I forget who else was in it. But yeah. Huh. Okay.

Well, that was a good question. What else we got? We got one more. Also 25, just like 25, you're young but you're old. Like old and. to be taken seriously. I feel like that's the right answer. Yeah.

Because if you're younger than 20, then you're still a kid. People treat you like your kid. Or I do my junior of college. I really enjoyed my junior year of college. Like 20, 21, until COVID. Can't wait to go to class on Friday. But like everyone knows you're an adult because you died. It's not how dying works.

I know, but you're in heaven. So you're like, all right, let's keep it going. Next one. Okay, last one. Oh, hey guys. Sandy from Vermont, big fan of the podcast, just listen to the nanodose on September 20th where you rank the planets and Billy was hating on Saturn. I just wanted him to know that sharks are actually older than Saturn's rings, so that's pretty neat. My question for you all is, if you could take one attribute from another person on the podcast, what would that be?

like PFT would clearly want Aryan's hands Billy should want Big T's honesty Remember how when Billy wanted to join The podcast he was like I'll be the Jamie Pulling up the facts and then he became the least factual person I love you all I do think about that often actually That's a great voicemail

Yeah that's a good one That's a solid solid job everyone strived to be more like that That is a very, including us in this room. It's a very good question. Yeah. If you'd take one attribute. I'd want PFT's ability to create one-liners. Yeah.

Your brain neurons fire so fast. Thank you guys. Thank you so much. That's my pick, though, so you guys pick another one. I get uncomfortable. Arian speed because I'd be in the NFL. Billy's height because I would then be in the NFL and I would tackle Billy. Not big.

tease height he's tall than me he's too tall I agree 6 3 is the perfect height yes I agree if I could be 6 by the way if I was 6 3 I would be fuck you guys I would be multiple sport Hall of Famer easily

if I was 6 3 buddy record record books I would I wouldn't be with you guys I'd be in my own trophy room that's for sure I want Aryan's money That's a good answer Or PFTs

I'd settle for PFT money too That's not a great answer But Arian, that's a good one I'd want Big T's ability To commonly win Just about everything Wow That's a high compliment

I mean it's a common Big T win That makes sense Yeah That's good Arian What would Arian pick I'm just going to put myself In his brain

And by the way, Arian hasn't been here today. He had some things come up at the last minute, completely outside of his fault, but some responsibilities he had to attend to, which are totally fine. And he'll be fun. And he'll be with us this weekend in Knoxville. But what would Arian say? He would say, hmm. None of us are, Big T, are you good enough at video games that he would want your video game ability?

I'm good at video games that he wouldn't like. So never mind. Like FIFA? Yeah, I'm good at FIFA. I'm really good at MLB the show Fifa moderately decent at Call of Duty I think

I think Erian would say something like Billy's youthful energy I was going to say like Billy's curiosity Yeah I was going to say like yeah Either curiosity or just his energy Energy is just like Having energy is something that you don't

His aura No not like that type of energy I mean actually like Billy's not really ever tired you know Billy's got a good battery my libido not your libido

libido applies to more than think if you look at the definition of libido I don't know about I think Aryan would want your just like your battery your battery life social battery

yeah just oh shit yeah when you get older I've used that too much when you get older your battery just drains and it never recharges all the way it's like an iPhone

and so when you're 30s like yeah having billy's ability to just not sleep um and just always be ready to go and excited to go about different things not talking about like libido wise i thought wait no libido you take too many you take too many stimulants for working out i do not want your libido it's probably non-existent what does that hurt your no not at all wow that was a that was a quick answer he thinks the lady doth protest too much billis no it's fine actually helps it's normal Jesus. Okay.

So I think that'll do it for macro dosing today. Yeah. We'll see you this weekend in Knoxville, Tennessee, R in Boone, North Carolina, and Spirit. If your spirit's also there, go J-MU, go Dukes, doke's, doogs, go Valls. What are the hashtags we're using this weekend? V4L.

Fuck Florida. Fuck Florida. Hashtag fuck Florida. Okay. Yeah, we'll be there. So if you're in Knoxville, let us know. And we love you guys. And we'll see there.

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