Macrodosing: Arian Foster and PFT Commenter - The Truth Behind David Koresh And The Branch Davidians

Episode Date: March 30, 2023

On today's episode the guys take a deep dive into the Brand Davidians cult and how David Koresh brainwashed everyone. (00:03:00) Hoop Dreams (00:13:30) Bar fights (00:41:38) Tik Tok Ban (01:14:31) Waco (02:26:27) Mammoth meatballsYou can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/macrodosing

Hey, macrodosing listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. That's why I kick it to Big T so often is because he's about to say some truth. I speak the truth, but they hated Jesus when he spoke the truth. Okay. And this is where we get into the rare. Welcome back to macrodosing. It's Thursday.

It's March 30th. It's opening day Happy opening day Let's go guys We made it opening day Big T, what's your favorite opening? Opening Of anything

Yeah, it's opening day Happy opening day Okay I can't say that one Opening a gift Oh that's a good one Billy Five o'clock on Friday

That's opening? Yeah, it's when I open a beer Okay I love it. My favorite opening is the opening of this show because I get to talk about Three Chi. Oh, yeah, Three Chi is the official sponsor. It's a presenting sponsor of macrodosing.

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I'm going to get some more 3-Chi. we should do like a three chi movie night where we all take three chi watch a movie or a documentary and then we talk about what we experienced on three chi on the next maybe on a nanodosate we'll do that for a nanodosing

maybe we'll have some three chi in Duluth when we go visit Duluth all right oh we're visiting well we're gonna take it so I don't I don't fuck I don't want to hoar myself out to Duluth just yet I want to learn more about Duluth before me out maybe before we

we make any, you know, hard and fast plans. Let's just learn about Duluth, okay? And we will talk about Duluth on a whole bunch of people from Duluth. Hit me up talking about some Duluth is the shit. Yeah. So I'm in. They tell them what golf courses are hitting all that shit. So I'm in.

Let's do it. People love it up there. Aaron, we had this debate. We were doing a live stream watching some of the college basketball last weekend. And we were talking about movies. I think I brought up the old documentary hoop dreams. Did you ever watch Hoop Dreams growing up? No, but I saw Blue Chip.

Blue Chip's good. Big T, did you watch Hoop Dreams? I have not seen that, no. Wow. Am I the only person here that's watched Hoop Dreams? I've seen a couple. I've seen on TV once. You've seen some scenes?

That sounds like Cap. That sounds like Cap. Isn't it a Spike Lee film? I don't know who directed it. I'm pretty sure it's Spike Lee. All I know is Hoop Dreams is a fantastic, fantastic documentary you should go watch it if you haven't said it's kind of long

but it follows two kids growing up I think they're in Chicago and they grow up being like high school basketball stars and follows them on their dreams throughout college, junior college as they try to make it to the NBA it's from the early 90s so the footage Oh it's real? Oh it's not Spikely

Steve James. No I've never seen this bro. It's really good it's like the first of its kind to do a sports documentary like that. I remember this kind of kind of before it's time to like really follow real people and you know behind the scenes type shit yeah it's fascinating to see what basketball culture was like back in the early 90s I remember my dad took me out of school one day to watch hoop dreams to go take me to the movie theater to watch it but we were talking about hoop dreams and um I referred to it as a movie come out can we can we put a pin in that why did your dad pull you out of school to watch hoop

he really liked the movie so he was like he was like you got to come see this here Yeah, fuck Diomagogy, son. Check these kids out. Yeah, it was elementary school, so I'm pretty sure it was like, I don't know, maybe you got me out of gym class or who knows. But yeah, yeah, my dad would take me out. Like, I was not allowed to stay home from school sick. If I wasn't sick, I never really played hooky unless it revolved around sports somehow.

And then my dad would be like, yeah, you get to, like, if it was a world series game, I was always allowed to stay up late, maybe going late for school the next day. We kind of revolved around sports that way. Actually, it's opening day. I don't think that you've heard this story before, Aaron. This is actually, it fits in perfectly. So I'll tell you the story. Big T, you might have heard this.

I've told her on part of my take before. Yeah. I was waiting for this story as soon as you opened the show. Yeah, I actually forgot about it until, I guess maybe subconsciously my mind took me there. Was there your least favorite opening day? This is my least favorite opening day. I'm actually kind of surprised he lets you go see hoop dreams with this story. Yeah, well, okay.

So the anticipation is built. that's what you guys are trying to do tell the fucking story all right here's what happened i i forget exactly what grade it was i think it was fourth or fifth grade and i grew up in northern virginia we didn't have the nationals then so the team that we would go see once or twice a year would be the baltimore orioles and it's opening day i'm a big baseball fan my dad loves baseball and i'm in music class and you know sitting there and singing whatever song playing the recorder and then i hear on the pa system coming into the classroom uh pft comitur your dad is here to pick you up from school and you guys are going to go to opening day together and I was like

oh that's incredible I get to go watch baseball what a great surprise so I go down to the office my dad's there he's got my Orioles cap he's got my my baseball mitt and I get into the van we start driving away and he's like yeah we're going to go to to Baltimore I think that might have been the first year of Camden Yards I'm not sure though I think we're going to Camden Yards and we're exiting the school parking lot and then my brother pops up out of the backseat and him and my dad together turned to me and they go

April fools oh wow and then they turn around drive me back to school and make me go back into my classroom and all my all my classmates were like hey I thought you were going to go to opening day I was like yeah my dad just punked me

it turns out I'm not going to opening day it's legit one of the meanest things I've ever heard Yeah, they were laughing so hard at me. They got me good. How old was your brother? So my brother, I think he was in eighth grade at the time. So actually, I can do the math. If he was an eighth grade, then I would have been in fifth grade.

So why was he out of school and with your dad, but you weren't? So my brother was homeschooled for one year because he went, it's a long story, but he went to like a neighboring middle school that was like a magnet school for smart kids or whatever and then he didn't want to go to that high school he wanted to come back and go to high school with all of his friends and so to do that he did like one year where he just like it's a long story but he basically was practically like focusing on doing music stuff for that year and being homeschooled and then he was going to go to our high school so he was at home with my dad got it and then they punked me that's evil they punked me on it and I went home from school that day

and my mom was so mad at my dad for doing that because he didn't run it by her. He was like, this is a fun prank that we can do. Like, this is a good way for me to bond with my son is by punking my other son. And so, yeah, opening day has always been a bittersweet moment for me having to relive that.

But every year I call my dad and the older I get, the funnier the prank becomes to me. And the sadder he gets that he did that. He's like a shame that he did it now. And I've totally reversed. I'm like, no, dad, that was funny. Like, objectively speaking, the way that you trolled me, like, hats off to you. Great job. It's a, it's a, it's a high risk, low reward thing that he did. Because if you don't come out

like emotionally intelligent and you're, and you know what I'm saying, if you're not like a sound stable human being, that could have fucking scarred you like in a very deep way. But because you're such a solid human being, you know, probably thanks to him. him, uh, in part, it's a funny joke to you. You know what I mean? Unless you got some shit, you know, deep within you. But as far as I can tell, you're a solid cat. So it was like, it was funny as hell now, but that, that could have went south. That could have, I could have. That reminds me, actually. I have a, uh, a horrible story. I don't know if my mom's going to kill me. Do not clip this. She told my brother one time the same might be worse actually, now I'm thinking

about this. She got my brother pulled him into the to the room. She's like, hey, I just want to let you know, because we had there's three of us, right? I just want to let you know, um, uh, we can't and we grew up broke. So this is actually really fucked up

but it's funny. She's like, we, we can't afford all you guys. And so we're going to have to put one of you up for adoption. And so, you know, it's a hard decision. You know it's hard. Like, but But you know, this is just something we have to do and we're going to put you up for adoption. And my brother took it like a soldier.

He took a deep breath and he was like, okay, I understand. And he's like nine, eight years old, right? He took that shit like a G. And he goes to his room and starts packing the shit. And my mom was like, oh my God, I'm just fucking with you. That is horrible. I'm so sorry I even did that. It was funny now, but like in the moment it fucked with him a little bit.

That shit was crazy. Oh, my God. I mean, shout out, shout out to your brother. Yeah, he took it like, he took it like in the house. He's like, you know what? I can, I can handle this like that. Was he in on it? No.

Or, or he was like, oh, hell yes. Anything's better than this. I'm getting the fuck out of here. Nah, I mean, I think it's, I think it's general. Like, he was like, so like, we used to get whoopens, right? I used to cause this. I mean, obviously, I'm getting my ass whoop. I used to, like, tear it.

room up and like move all around my brother you should just be stoic and just sit there and take that shit i just his mentality when he was young was just like very zen like i don't i don't know i don't know but he took that shit like a gangster i don't know erin are you sure that we can't clip that i'm pretty positive that you can't clip that my mom will be mortified that i even told the story actually okay all right we won't clip it but it was it was in great context with your story yeah i mean okay if we clip it like because i'm tired to take a bullet for you eric If we clip it like Look

Parents do fucked up shit And that was a part of it Yeah But don't want off my mom's like Or don't Don't clip it Just tweet that there's a very good story That's a listener exclusive

That you can't find on social media You have to listen to the episode All time story From Arian this morning Maybe only put it on YouTube Maybe take it out of the episode Put it as a YouTube exclusive You have to go subscribe to the YouTube

Yeah But then then I guess that is clipping it How come when I said don't clip this, and now the whole internet knows I put poison ivy on my balls? What? Different rules for different people?

Yes. Two Americas. We protected my mom. We were trying to expose a potential predator. That's a big difference. Here's another similar story. My mom, I once left the door open overnight. I didn't lock the door one night when I was coming home.

late from like I don't know I used to like go to practice and then like go do homework at school and get home like really late me the last one in and my mom pretended that uh woke me up the morning saying that we'd been robbed and that the whole that like everything with like everything in the front hallway was gone uh and I was like so panicked I ran upstairs and she like convinced me because she woke me up the next morning and it was I had to go to school but she had gotten up earlier than me I don't know how she knew I think my dad probably told her and then told me that we'd all been robbed and everything was gone

and I like woke up in the biggest like panic ever ran upstairs and she was like that's why you locked the door that was a good learning I think I'm with her on that way I actually 100% was with it yeah that probably worked

you probably lock every door ever no I do I wake up in the middle of night and check if the door's locked yeah I think that's a good on mom yeah I think that was a good one did you guys lock your doors growing up yeah yeah Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I didn't lock mine. I should have, though. Like, in retrospect, our neighborhood was not safe for me to not lock my door. Wasn't there MS-13 on your street? Yeah. Yeah, no, we definitely should have been locking it. Well, they didn't like fuck with people in their neighborhood, really. We weren't an MS-13, so.

What's the MS-13 again? It's now self-doring gang. It's the MS-13. I always do. Yeah. I think I've mentioned it twice. Maybe even once. I just had to ask you

Because I grew up with 18th streets in my neighborhood 18th streeters In my original neighborhood Yeah they were like warring MS-13 and 18th Street It's a Mexican gang thing Okay yeah 18th Street

They're a bigger gang Or at least they were right No I I mean they're huge They're very big I don't know if they're bigger than MS-13 though That would have to The MS-13 was pretty small When I was growing up

It was like it was Not anymore Not anymore no it was only in El Salvador, Los Angeles, and then my county in Northern Virginia. Those were the only places that had MS-13. How did you know that? Because it was- You were deep in the gang?

No, because, like, it was weird that they were very prevalent in my neighborhood when I was growing up, and so I knew who they were. And then, you know, I had friends that had family members in MS-13, and they would tell me about, like, the history of the gang and all that shit. I went time I got out of the fight with one of their sons at my elementary school

because he kept dropping the end bomb on me that he called me he called me a nigger and so one time I went home I was like yo this dude keeps you know calling me that and my dad was like drop him

and I was like back and so the next day I did initially start this fight and so he kept doing it and so but I provoked it because I got the green light for my pops and so he was walking by and I flicked his hat off

and he called me to end word and I walk up to him and I started serving him and then so we got in trouble obviously and so his parents were front of that gang and but my so the the principal was like yo this is an ongoing feud like your parents have to meet

and so my dad he's from LA you know what I said he went to shits and he was like I told him what you know what the circumstances was he's like I don't care. And so they went to the parent teaching video, but his parents never showed up. They didn't want to show up and talk it out. But after that, after you beat somebody up, you kind of just got to leave it alone.

You don't keep provoking. So it was, it was neutral after that. It was over. He never did it again? I mean, when you beat somebody up, it's like, what can you do? You can't keep beating them. You know what I'm saying? Like, you don't want to keep taking it.

and nails because it was obvious I was a better fighter, so this is what it is. Yeah. I've never had that experience where I just beat the shit as somebody so bad that they don't talk to me anymore. I wish I had. I had another experience that was kind of, I respected it so much. I was in high school, early high school, and this dude, same same shit dropped the end bomb on me. And I didn't want to fight him at my school because I was in sports and stuff and I didn't want to get suspended so one time there was a varsity basketball game and all his homeboys and all my home boys they was all at the game and they was like there you go and i was like let's go and so we went outside and we we on a ditch we square up i hit him with a bop-bop his nose he starts leaking

and he just stops fighting and he was crazy and shit like this dude is weirdo but i i respected it because i got bopped him he started leaking and he reached out his hand he said good shit he said good shit and just walks off and we never had no beef after that. It was the wildest, that was the wildest altercation I've ever been in. That's crazy. That's like out of a movie. It was wild.

He was like, you know, he's coming from a broken home and everything. He had fuck you tattooed on his arm at like 14 years old, like 13, 14 years old. He's just a wild cat. He was in the street. But that's why I respected it. I was like, and so after that, it was actually, we was cool after that, honestly. It was like there was no funk

because it was like once you fight somebody, and you get the better of them. It's, you know, the only conclusion after that is gunplay. And neither one of us were about that life. So it was just, it was cool after that. Did you ever get beaten up by anybody? I mean, I've been in fights where I think, I've never, like a one-on-one, I've never, because I picked my battles well.

Like, if a dude was like, I felt like a fight like that, I mean, I didn't cow. I just, I stayed away from beef. I try to resolve people. I think these two stories sound like I was like a really, I fought a lot. It's not the case. I haven't fight much. I really have a peacemaker. I've tried to squash the situations, but when it comes to certain shit, I'm firing.

And so I've never really gotten beat up like that, nah. My brother, my brother used to whoop my ass. Yeah. I think if you fought all the time, you would, the stories wouldn't be that memorable to you. Yeah, that's, yeah, I don't, I was now, I wasn't out looking for drama. But, like, no, that wasn't, that wasn't me. Yeah. Older kids always end up beating your ass at some point in your life.

Yeah. Have you ever gotten a fight, 50? Yeah, I've been in a couple fights, but they were mostly, like, real fast fights. I haven't been in a fight that lasted longer than, like, 30 seconds or so. They get broken up or, like, you know, three on three or whatever, and you swing, and then things get broken up. I did get into it. The last fight I got into was on, it was New Year's Eve, 2010, 2011. something like that's pretty recent what happened yeah i was at a new year's eve party in austin

and uh i wore i wore this plaid jacket to new year's and much like the one that's that's behind me right now and uh we're in this bar and this dude came up to me and he was hammered and he was like nice jacket and i was like oh thanks and then he follows it up with uh a derogatory term a homophobic slur so it became apparent that he did not in fact like my jacket. He thought I looked foolish. And and so then, then I pushed him.

Why did you take offense? Huh? Why did you take offense? Because I was drunk. And so I pushed. Oh, you can't believe. You were a grown ass man and got to a fight. I mean, nice jacket. He was,

it was very aggressive. It was like out of nowhere and he seemed like he had bad intentions. And so I shoved him. And then he threw a pint glass at me and it broke and so then my way that I resolve fights

because I don't have great hands is and if you ever plan on fighting me out there don't listen to this because you want to tell you what I'm going to do I want all your little stands to hear that you don't have great hands I don't have great hands I've never trained I'm not like Billy okay I could not take out Jose Canseco

with my fists but my move is I just like I put my hand out and I mush you in the face a little bit with That's a good move. I do the mush because I follow the mush up with a double leg takedown. So like I mush your face and then I grabbed him around the waist and then I took him down to the ground and then he got broken up because it was in a crowded bar. But I just didn't want to get punched in my face because I probably would have gotten

my ass kicked. And at the time I was playing a lot of rugby. So I was like I've been tackling a lot recently. So I just tackled the kid and then the fight got broken up and then we got kicked out. And that was it. You started that fight. You know that, right? He started it.

No, no, no, no. He initiated it, but you started the physicality. You started to fight. You got offended. You could have de-escalated that situation a lot. I probably could have. This isn't sound stupid, but I've... I was young.

I was Billy's age. I practiced de-escalation a lot because I end up in a lot of the scenarios that you're encounter, even more so... Well, you don't want to con... With the whole barstool thing? You don't want a con-air situation on your hand where your Cam Poe or whatever the guy's name was. and you know he went to jay he was a green beret he went to prison because he killed the man with

his bare hands yeah because of his training yeah that's we can't have you doing that these are these are the de-escalation tactics i'm trying to do uh but my move back in the day was the headbut the head butt is a fucking amazing like the glasco kiss it has the same shock value where it totally stuns them because they have no idea where it's coming from and also bouncers if you throw a punch in a bar it's easy for bouncers to see you swing yeah and move but if you're able to knock a guy out with a headbut and like put them to the ground you can easily exit the scenario and no one even knows what happened if you're in a crowd of sitting there especially like in a concert venue it's like it really gets weird like the headbut

is a great move yeah because it stuns them it does it hurt i see people do it it don't hurt it doesn't it if you hit it right and you're like don't clip this what did it what did that mean though Well, because guys get in your face, right? And they're yelling, like, the, but, like, every, like, you know, the head butt deescalates the situation. The forehead is, is, like, the hardest bone in your body. If you, you know, that's what I'm saying when you say, do it right. What does that mean? You got to hit them under the nose with your forehead.

What if you're taller? If they're, well, then you kind of got to, like, it. I'd like to just jump in real quick and say that you should not get into bar fight. Barfights are stupid as fun. People like. buddies my buddy's uh cousin went to prison for manslaughter for hitting a guy and the guy's head hit the curb and he died don't fucking get into bar fights it's stupid as fuck fighting in uncontrolled settings no one there's too many variables even if you think you're good at fighting you're

probably you know anyone can get knocked out anybody's buddy can come up behind you and sucker punch you they're scary it's it's not there's no redeeming qualities to being good at fighting like in this society if you're not too professionally and you go to jail and ruin your future yeah it's bad be really good at de-escalation

yeah bar fights are scary don't do it and guns exist yes and knives knives suck yep yeah knives suck they sure they certainly do like imagine getting like

like stab I got you got stabbed not stabbed sliced what I got sliced one time in your face in a bar fight no it was it was a it was like a party

it was in college yeah and and this dude you used to be wild fan no I mean it wasn't fun this this dude these guys showed up to the party that I was at and they picked a fight somehow

my friend actually one of my friends who that was talking about earlier he had relatives in like MS-13 he was at this party and these two guys got to talk into each other. I don't know what my friend said. I'm going to say that chances are like 90% that my friend said something stupid

that started the fight. But then he started to get swung on. So I came in and I didn't really swing because again, I got bad hands, but I shoved. And then this dude came at me and he hit me in my leg. And then I fell down.

Wait, wait, I'm trying to picture that. What do you mean he hit you in your leg? So I, no, I'm just saying like I got at some point my leg made contact with him in this situation. I don't think I... Are you a kicker? I'm not a kicker.

You might fight with you. I can totally see you fighting with your feet. No, because I'm not a kicker, but the point is I fell down and then he and his friends got the hell out of there. They got into a car and drove away. And then I looked down at my leg

and I had a long, long gash right down the front onto my shin. And it was probably like, I don't know, eight, nine inches long. Oh, my God. It wasn't, it wasn't very wide. So he had, he had like a small blade that he had me at some point. The worst about knives is like you could get infected with something.

Like, like, I don't know, like, I much rather get shot because the bullets hot enough where it's sterile. Like, who are the, who knows where that knife had been? I don't know if a bullet's necessarily sterile, is it? It's hot enough to be scary. Yeah, the explosion makes, it's hot. I always had a gun color one time. It cauterizes the wound. Wait, what?

Yeah. This is the same year? Tell that story. We're at a party and actually the beve was there. Kate's guy was there and there's this ruckus going on outside my apartment and the beave goes outside and it's a guy and he's pushing a girl against a wall and then the beave went at the dude and like shoved him and started swinging on him drove the dude down the stairs and then we all chased after this guy.

He runs into this volleyball pit that's across the street. and my friend gets on top of him and starts shoveling sand into his face and his eyes and his mouth and then his buddy shows up and he's got his hand behind his back and he's like get the fuck off him honestly probably like

understandable because like his friend is getting just torn up and we're like what do you got a gun and then he takes the gun out and he's got a gun sure enough when you got a gun yeah what do you do we got a what do you have like a gun or something

what do you do yeah what are you going to do to shoot me. What the gunshot victims last quote? Yeah, yeah. What? You're going to shoot me? And so then this guy's got a gun so we all immediately start walking back. And the guy that was just getting his face sanded, stands up, walks over to my

buddy and punches, not to be, but my other buddy punches him in the face and knocks him down. We can't do anything about it because it's like, well, they've got a gun. He pistol whip him? No, there's no pistol whipping. He just I guess it wasn't so much pointed the gun. I don't think he ever pointed the gun at me, but he pulled it out just to let everybody know, like, I can end this very quickly if you want to. So don't get into fights. This is the don't clip this show. Yeah, don't clip any of this. Yeah. Don't even put this on the YouTube. It's all

off the record. Like, there could be some felonies caught. No, but shout out to Beeve though. Shout out. Shout out. Shout out hard factor Pat. Always shout out for stepping in when that girl was getting shoved around. I was big imagine. Feminism. Yep. Wait, some dude headbutted me in a Oh my God. I was Philly. They do like a nose imprint scan on their face. I've got

the scar. That's definitely from Billy's nose matches up perfectly. Well, you don't want to hit him with the nose. That's a, no, no, you don't want to hit him with the nose. That's stupid. You want to hit their nose. All right. It's opening day. My beak imprint on someone's face. They're like, look this picture. I just remember Billy

being like, I want to do another rough and rowdy so I can, like, get a rhinoplasty afterwards. Yeah, I mean, I literally, there's, I don't know, as soon as I get my nose done, it means that, like, my athletic career is over. Because what's the correlation? Because, why is that thing? Why would I spend all my, well, like, combat sports careers over? Like, why would I spend all this money getting my lifetime one and a buckled, buckled, a septum fixed if I'm going to get it, like, like fucked up in a fight. Talk to me more about your combat sports career. It was very short. I'm more, I meant contact sports. You said was. So did you just end it? I don't know. I'm in retirement. That, you know,

that's a huge career move in combat sports just to retire because then on the negotiation table. It's like, I'm retired. You got to pay me to get out retirement. It's always the move to just retire. And then when you come out, it's like, well, now we have to buy because it's probably his last fight ever. The big one was just over the years like like i don't know aaron if you may like do this ever happen to you where like your helmet always just like slipped off in the top of your helmet would just slam down on your nose on the bridge of your nose uh well i mean i think it's happened but i mean they fit though yeah this was more honestly this was more lacrosse where you just wear your helmet loose as

fucking like because you want to look cool with tilt yeah then you'd hit somebody and it just Swam down. That's how I knew I sucked at football was they didn't bother me even give me pads that fit. Like my helmet. My helmet wouldn't stay on it. If I turned my head to the side, my eyes would be looking through my earhole. They give me the biggest fucking shoulder pads of all time. Last pick.

Last pick of equipment is usually telltale sign. They don't respect the game. Yep. Yep. They certainly didn't. That was fucked up. Who knows? I probably could have gone pro.

If I had just a helmet that would fit me. You have a good build for lacrosse. Thank you, Billy. Like, most lacrosse guys aren't that big. I feel like you have a good rugby build. Well, that's the beauty of rugby is that there's like seven distinct body types on a rugby field at any given time. Bill, you would. Billy, you could be a second row or a flanker.

I bet you'd be a good flanker or eight men in rugby actually. Honestly, I was going to try to play rugby senior spring. Yeah. like because they do it in spring but got canceled we've got uh we might have some sort of partnership with a rugby thing coming i'd love to go play rugby i want to teach you how to play rugby i think you'd be good at i think you'd like it too i actually i know how to throw the ball the yeah yeah the you have to make that sound when you get i mean past who's that little guy who's the smaller player on south africa who's an absolute beast who's like a muscle hamster i'm not sure

I don't know, but that's how I imagine PFT on the field. I've been watching a lot of rugby. It's just not the muscle part. Rugby's, ruby, oh, actually, I was having this conversation with Jack Mack.

Rugby's cool because, like, you see, like, I don't know, it's crazy how like, New Zealand, like the different cultures involved in rugby.

And like, we were wondering if any of them, like, are ever going to really get into football. Like, I don't know, like, there are Samoans who play,

actually, yeah. George Pylata. Just like random, like, would, It's South African to start playing American football. Yeah, I mean, the conversation always happens when you're around rugby enough

where it's like, man, if the U.S. just took our best athletes and had us focus on rugby, we beat everybody in the world 100 to nothing. It's a little disrespectful of how good some of these guys are from New Zealand, Australia, South Africa. Like, they, it wouldn't be that easy. The ball skills are just different level. And if you grow up playing a sport that's that fluid where it doesn't stop, there's so much small stuff that goes into every single play that you would have you would have to

just stop all american sports and then have them train and doing nothing but rugby for 10 years to have a chance to beat these guys like yeah we've got tyreek hill he's fast but guess what there are fast people in new zealand too that you know they might not be four one eight speed but they might be you know four two three for like very very fast people oh actually new movie idea what right there? Yeah. Yeah. So there's a, there are two guys on the U.S. Sevens teams right, right now, Carlin Isles, who ran a 416, 40. Fassest they had ever timed. And, you know, who was, who was clocking these times? We can look it up. He played on the, on the lines for a little bit. He played, uh, he was like a kick returner on the lines. What's his name? Carlin

Isles. And you can look up, you can watch them play. And they, they have, the um the like chip that's in their shoulders or sewn into their jerseys and all you get there is my hour you can see how fast he's going and i think it was perry baker he's the other guy that's on the u.s national team he ran uh his time speed was faster than anybody in the NFL last year what was what was it so with the ball in his hands uh i'll have to look it that's how they figure i want to say it's like 25 or 26 kilometers per hour that's how they figured out that's the cup was so good yeah in the senior bowl with the chips with the chip they're like his 40 wasn't that good but he's moving fast than anybody else at the senior bowl yeah like he's legitimate world-class speed

as an athlete i i have another movie idea okay i actually thought about this last night so uh you know the north sent to lee's islands i'm familiar with them so i had this i had this like sort of survivor survivor survivor north sentinelese islands yeah well kind of basically uh the north senseless islands starts get here's the movie the set scene north sensely's island starts getting opened up, like they want to start communicating with the rest of the world, missionaries over there, people. But then I'm like, oh, shit, I don't know, maybe this is just a hypothetical scenario I was thinking of my head, but it could be a movie.

And I'm like, oh, let's go make a video there. I want to go check out North Angeles Islands. Anyway, I bring footballs because I'm like, okay, let's like, you know, teach them about football. That might be like they've never experienced it before, then all of a sudden we're like tossing the ball around. and then I like trying to teach them how to play and then all of a sudden I realize that these are like

the fastest humans on earth and just no one saw them run before and they're just super fast and then we like take them like teach them football and they just start like dominating the NFL because they like run like three nine 40s and it was just no one knew that they were fast because like no one could tell

because they're on this island and then like you're the only scout that knows yeah and I'm like on the beach like timing them in the sand barefoot like oh my god they're running four twos barefoot and sand like let's get some cleats on these guys yeah anyway i like it that would be really sick it would be sick if they were just super athletes yeah yeah then you just funnel them all to the jets yeah and then but like we gotta teach them how to catch that's a whole part of the movie isn't there

a whole movie like that with the indian guys that they bring in the the indian guys can pitch like a 108 that's like a whole yeah yeah that's like a whole movie i think i think that was based on a true story. Yeah, but do you know what I'm talking about? Yeah. Um, that also reminds me of a, probably a very problematic movie now. They came out in 1994. Million dollar arm. Yes. Yeah, that's it. But, but the movie I'm talking about, 94, the air up there. The air up there. I remember the air up there. You remember the air up there? Yeah. It was funny. It was a funny movie, but I bet if you watch it right now, it'd be like, this is the most racist movie that I've ever seen in my entire life. It's when they go to Africa and bring them over for the NBA, right?

Yes. Oh, the poster is quite something. Yeah. Here's the plot. Jimmy Dolan is a college basketball assistant coach who wants to find a new star for his team since he believes this will get him a promotion to head coach. He seems a home video of a prospect named Sala and travels to Kenya to recruit him. Upon arriving, Dolan finds himself confronted not only with the challenges of basketball,

but also the challenges of adjusting and learning how to live in the midst of a brand. new culture. Though Dolan is initially opposed by Salah's father, who is also the leader of the village, he later agrees to let his son play and they teach each other life lessons. But if you watch, if you watch the movie, it's

it's interesting. I remember a random line from that movie. I don't know why I remember this line. He was waiting like at a bus stop. He's like, when's the last time a bus has left from the stop? And the guy goes, 1974.

I don't know why I remember that. Randomly, I remember that shit. It's, I mean, there are probably ways that you could do this movie that aren't as bad as it comes across here. But they're wearing, like, tradition, like, they're wearing no shirts, like loincloths and stuff and just dunking the ball. It's, it's interesting. And they're all awesome at basketball. Yeah, I remember that shit. My movie would try not to be problematic.

Okay, good That's a thought that sounds No, Billy, you actually did kind of write the air up there Except about football But that's how you know You might have the air in there But also the north of these islands Aren't discovered yet

I mean like we don't know Much about them besides from the outside Who knows, they could be Maybe they're like really good at chess What if they're the best chess players Yeah Yeah They just have never seen a board before

for. Yes. Both of those things will be in the movie. Maybe both. Maybe they're experts at football and chess. Yeah. Perfect. I like it. Okay. And astronomy. Yeah. Because they studied the stars. Probably no light pollution out there. Exactly. So they know the stars better than anybody. It would actually be fascinating to talk people from the North Stent and Lee's Islands and figure out what their theory of the universe was and like what they've come up with on their own to explain the stars, constellations because every culture has their own input as to what that is. There actually might

be elements of the modern world that's intertwined in their religion because during World War II this happened there was uncontacted tribes across the Pacific and they started worshipping the American planes because one time they accidentally dropped a cargo

box filled with let me look up these specifics but dropped a cargo box off for the American troops of supplies and the people like opened it up and it was just filled with food and sugar and stuff that they've never you know seen before so they started like I think it's cargo cargo plane religion what is it a cargo cult cargo cultism melanesian indigenous millennarian belief system wait cargo cults yeah they they just were worshipping the cargo planes that accidentally were dropping stuff wait is that Wait, cargo cults? I believe you, Billy.

Wait. Yeah. So what if they have, like, cargo cults, like, the missionaries that keep coming, they think are, like, the devil. Like, oh, the evil spirits back again. Yeah. We got to, they're throwing books at us. They probably, they see flights that go, they could probably see an airplane every now and again, like an airliner. They probably saw Malaysian air.

Wait, yeah. Yeah. How close did the Malaysian air get to the... Did it? Did it land on, is there an airstrip on the North Sentinelese Island? What if North, North Sentinel Island map? Let's see how close it is to the flight path. How big is it?

It's tiny. Actually, holy fuck, it is very goddamn close in the scope of the world to where this flight could have been. Yeah. Wait. MH370 flight path. This? oh my god are you kidding me

are you it goes right by it literally right by the north of these islands so how are these people who are notoriously uh devoid of technology or anything like that supposed to have

brought down a plane well what if the plane crashed there and then all the survivors were eaten not eaten killed because they tend to not like outsiders and it's been a global cover up because they didn't want to

prosecute the North Sentinelese. But how I don't even think they would know what's in the North Sentinel Islands because they have no contact. Well, we, there is different islands actually close that are under Indian rule and there's people there, but they just don't go to that one

island because they're just like, they don't want to deal with that. That? We might have just figured it out. We didn't. Case closed. I connected too many dots. Big T where you teed up about

you read this TikTok bill I'm sorry teed off yeah my mistake teed off I have not read have you read the entire bill or have you read

screenshots of course I have not read the entire bill there's no telling how that's a ridiculous question you asked the whole point though well that that brings up an interesting point the whole

a bill to ban TikTok should be one sentence. TikTok is no longer legal in the United States. That should be the whole bill. This bill is, it's called the Restrict Act. They always try to name different bills based off the... Terrible acronyms. Yeah. And this, in the bill, it is crazy what's in there.

So if you're found in violation of anything they deem to be here's the here's the actual verbiage um the secretary in consultation with the relevant executive department and agency heads is authorized to and shall take action to identify deter disrupt prevent prohibit investigator otherwise mitigate including by negotiating entering into or imposing this is the important part and enforcing any mitigation measure to address any risk arising from any covered transaction by any person or with respect to any property subject to the jurisdiction of the United States that the Secretary determines so on and so forth. This applies to desktop applications, mobile applications, gaming applications, payment applications,

web-based applications, information and communications, technology products and services integral to artificial intelligence and machine learning. It lists every single thing that you can do on a computer you could ever imagine. And it says that if the government believes that you're using any application for any nefarious purpose. Correct. Subject to their you know, whatever their discretion. Right. Then they can investigate, they can have access to all of your private information. And prosecute you, I believe the minimum

imprisonment under this bill is 20 years. For doing what? It uses the term foreign adversaries. if they deem you to have somehow interacted with any foreign adversary, whatever that means. You can go to prison for 20 years, a fine of a million dollars, have your property seized. Yeah, this has got me beat off, too. Beat off. It sounds like the Patriot Act.

It's very similar. I think that genius naming job on the Patriot Act, by the way. Also, anything done under this bill is not subject to the freedom of information. Act. That's a red flag. Yeah. Mm-hmm. A bill to ban TikTok should literally be one page.

Do you think they should ban TikTok? Um, no. Uh, there are a couple valid concerns, but those exist with every app we use. Like the Pokemon Go app? Pokemon Go was insane. Yeah. Um, and I mean, Facebook is selling all your information right now. That's not to say it's good.

But TikTok. I could, if you want to ban it, fine, like, I don't feel strongly one way or the other. I think we should ban it. But if, what's the major concern behind TikTok? I know it's, it's, uh, technically they are, they're not owned by China, right? But the Chinese government can have access to any information that it wants from that app if it, if it wants it, right? So you, you know why I think we should ban it. TikTok. And plus, this bill, I think, is going to be used as a Trojan horse. They're trying to

pass it just to take out TikTok, but I think they're going to use it to go after a couple other, you know, major technological invasions that might be a threat to U.S. interests. I'll explain those in a second. But the reason why TikTok, I think, needs to be banned because it's not us that, you know, TikTok's information is going to be taken advantage of, but rather, okay, let's say, you know, Facebook sells their information, Cambridge Analytica, stuff, you know, all that is just being used for corporate interest trying to sell us stuff. Yes, data was used to target ads in the election, but that's totally different than I think the information might be used for human rights abuses. Well, it's not illegal if Facebook

wanted to and they might have. In fact, I think they admitted that they did this, where they target certain ads, they're able to work with Facebook to target certain political ads to certain specific demographics of the country people over the age of 50 that live in this town right or whatever uh they can they can then feed in whatever ads that they want which is like that's where most of facebook's value comes but that's totally fine because at the end of the day they the only you know malintent or only intent behind any of that is capitalism or you know voting demographics like targeted political ads that's one thing you know at the end of the day that's just because people want to make money

and want you to spend money which is kind of debated depending on your free will. Where I think TikTok is more of a danger than these other companies is let's say you have someone who's defected from China, living in the United States, who's sponsoring, like

you know, maybe sending money to family but also maybe sponsoring groups that are, you know, technically the government in China deems to be, you know, a terrorist organization or a dissenting opinion. You know, let's just say they're promoting free speech in China.

Let's say there's TikTok downloaded on one of those people's phones in America or just in connection to like, let's say one of their children has TikToks on their phone and they're gathering data. Hoover vacuum way, just sort of sucking everything up through, you know, getting access to, I know everyone's, you know, taking the piss out of that one senator who was asking about Wi-Fi if they can access the home. Wi-Fi router and you know they skirt it around but we really was talking about was if one phone can one phone gather all the internet data from a Wi-Fi router or modem because

basically if you use Google incognito all that history is still on the modem of the you know like right so it's saying if your if your son yeah uses TikTok on your phone would it then have access to the data that's being stored on the router for that that has to do with the other personal devices in the house besides that one phone. Right. So it does, does it have access

to the Wi-Fi? Yes. You know, that's kind of very boardline and kind of be scared out of, but there may be they may have the ability to gather tons of data in a whole household just for everyone who uses the same Wi-Fi router from all those devices. Anyway, let's say that information

you know, gets back to TikTok. TikTok's selling that data to different entities and they have connections to China. They're trying to figure out if the connections there, that the Chinese government can gather that data and then use some of that data to enforce their will on a foreign dissident, find out who they're communicating with back in China. Then not only they can't really affect the person in the U.S., but use that data to, you know, prosecute people in their own country that may be contacting like let's like a freedom of speech person in america which i think it's worth to prevent human rights abuse human rights abuses

trying to shut something like that down and ticto is not that unique of an app in the landscape you know it basically just copied mine um we all use ticot you know the algorithm is super strong it picks up on a lot of stuff so like should we ban it is it an national security risk, I think it's more of a human's rights risk that people, you know, inadvertently they're able to track who's making contact with groups in the U.S. And they can do or let's say there's someone in Russia like Russia might be buying it from the Chinese like like, you know, Xi Jinping just had a meeting with Putin. They're like, let's try to figure out who's sending money to Ukraine from America or what their

groups are in America. and then if they're like traveling to that place and they pick up all the data through, you know, one step of separation of someone who is trying to help dissenting groups in these countries. And then they can get that data and use it to prosecute those individuals in their country or if they end up back in their country. So that's the real danger. It's not that, you know, the Chinese are taking our information to get us. Right. Like, but there's, they can inadvertently get data. on individuals that they deem, you know, against their ideals.

So this could, this, these same security concerns could apply to any app that was run in a country besides the United States. Because in the U.S., there are already laws against that. So if Zuckerberg took all your information and sold it to Putin, yeah, that's, that's already, that's already against U.S. law. But if it's owned by a different country or somebody a different country, where they don't have that law. That's the security concern. Yeah. And but the thing is TikTok has a direct link to China. Yeah. And that's why. And, you know, there are differences in Chinese TikTok versus

American TikTok, especially for children. I mean, that's a whole different thing, but not to get into that. But the reason why I don't like this bill specifically, and that's after saying, I think TikTok should be banned. But the reason I don't like this bill specifically is that this bill, if passed with trying to get TikTok could then be applied to a lot of other stuff like crypto you know any sort of free source

you know non-centralized informational like apparatus like let's say you know a lot of the open source software stuff like it could be used to eliminate like let's say oh Bitcoin's being used for arms deals overseas

It's a threat to U.S. security. We need to seize and destroy all the big, like, destroy all the open, you know, open source software stuff. Yeah. And then decentralized nature of, you know, crypto. We think it's a threat to U.S. security. And then basically it strengthens Federal Reserve and everything. And like, because it literally lists anything that could be done on a computer

could fall under like a threat to U.S. national security. they could, whatever they deem bad, they could then authoritatively, like, destroying Cs. Okay. Yeah. I mean, it sounds like this is a very, very broad, broad bill and broad bills are very dangerous in general. If they want to ban TikTok, go for it. I don't really care. Yeah. But that, that bill should literally be one sentence. TikTok is no longer allowed to operate in the United States. Well, wouldn't there be like a copycat TikTok that would just spring up after it? Well, probably... I'm sure there will be anyway. That's not. If they wrote a bill saying that any tech company with links to foreign countries that uses that app to gather intelligence on U.S. citizens should be banned, that I'm down for because then that would take out TikTok and, you know, other anything that tries to pop up after that.

But this like basically says any technology or anything regarding computer that's deemed a threat to national security. so let's say let's say there's an AI thing that pops up that I don't know like it could basically like ban any I think it even applies to like for example if info wars was considered a threat to US national interest interest they could shut it down and basically deplatform it by law I know I'm using info wars just because it was probably something that could be put to that level where it's a threat because, you know, people's lives are getting affected. Well, InfoWars definitely does have, like, they have been in contact with Russian agents

in the past. Yeah. That's been proven. Could they retroactively be like InfoWords broke this law? I'm just using Info Wars as an example. Like, let's say, you know, let's say. So like that Russia Today network, they've been in touch. not only with with InfoWords, but like a lot of mainstream.

But let's say in, you know, let's say in 25 years we're having a debate about AI. And, you know, there's a there's a strong anti-AI sentiment platform that's saying like we should destroy AI. It's going to be the end of humanity. And they start to get radical and start, you know, blowing up chip factories or just protesting chip factories, but maybe related to groups doing. worse stuff like that just mouth people like the u.s. government might be like this uh outlet which exists solely on the internet is a threat to us national security we should have it de-platformed and destroy it yeah it's ban it arian do you think we should be in tic-tok um i don't um and this is the with the limited knowledge that i have with a situation like i said i i've mentioned this bill

I just started reading the bill a little bit. I haven't read the bill. I'm not entirely sure about the infrastructure of TikTok, but I do know harvesting data is a global thing, because it's not local. But I think, like I said, a lot of things I say is just the byproduct of the economy that we live in. Like, that is what the norm is going to be.

I think trying to evade that is pointless. I think more so what we should do is try to regulate the ability of those companies. But I think banning anything is just going to create a black marker for it. So I don't think it's useful. It seems like that horse has left the barn in terms of data collection. What can China do if they have, if they're looking at this giant data set, Billy talked about the security issue of if there's like a relative of a dissident using that person's information to figure out what messages are being sent from somebody over in China that the government's targeting? that's that's a concern but like from a giant macro standpoint if you're the chinese government

and you're collecting data on everybody in america that has tick tock install on their phone so you're learning their buying habits you're learning all this stuff what could they then use what would they be more inclined to use that information for like they know how to how to market propaganda towards americans more effectively maybe they put they push certain uh like pro-communist or pro people's Republic of China content or onto people's TikToks or help them elect officials that they deem would be more laissez-faire on China's foreign policy

in actions. Just like influence, they could figure out who's using certain apps who lives in certain places, who's more inclined to buy into this propaganda and then push that on people. I mean, I think it's possible, But I think the, I mean, when you when you speak of communism or you speak of China economically, politically, here still there's this visceral like China bad, communism bad, right?

So like trying to have propaganda to mitigate or push their political agenda, I don't find it very likely. And I think like really said, that Trojan horse would be, you're talking in years. and years of propaganda would have to I don't find much useful I don't think that they'd use it to promote communist ideas because China is not a communist country if you look consultative

Leninism if you look at what China is doing like where their economy is at right now they're a capitalist country they've got they're about making money they're trying to make as much money as possible it's just that the party the communist party has consolidated power so much that they're the ones that

are getting all the money from it. So it's very much like an oligarchy or like there's, you know, the one person in China are the members of the Communist Party and they're using capitalism to enrich themselves on it. Well, no, that's what I'm saying. Yeah. So it would be pushing communist necessarily like pro-communism on people. No, no, no, I would be a fan of that.

That's not what I'm saying. I think I think what I'm saying is, what I'm saying is anytime there's pro anything, like, so I say communism because that's what's associated. with China or Russia or whatever the case maybe, right? It's what it's associated with. It's not what's happening in practice, but anytime you have those kind of key talking points,

you're going to get pushback viscerally, this naturally here because of the propaganda machine that has been going on for, I don't know how long in this country, about Russia, about China. And so I just don't find it very useful for them to collect all that data to try

to push favorable form. I don't I don't think they try to change the whole political makeup of the United States, but I think they try to, wherever the U.S. can interfere with Chinese interests, try to sway, you know, voters. They could try to get politicians elected who have a platform that's in favor of maybe lowering tariffs against Chinese exports. Or, you know, or laissez, basically non-interventionists who are, you know, who don't. care about what's happening in the South China Sea that don't like yeah who have more isolationist policies I mean I mean we're talking about like I don't know do you really are you really think that's a plausible plot and a plan by a Chinese go with a hundred percent I think I say a hundred

percent that's not not a hundred percent I think it definitely it could be it could be it could be and also like let's not act like we are above doing something like that or so I mean the Hong Kong protests were the Hong Kong protests that were occurring before COVID We're 100% being sponsored by U.S. state actors, but also with, you know, dissidents in the U.S. who are promoting free speech and promoting keeping Hong Kong. It's a separate entity that could elect its own officials as opposed to them being appointed by the mainland, as they say. You were there right before then. Yeah. Yeah, me and Donnie kind of started it.

I had a theory when COVID first started that it was just to stop the Hong Kong. protests. Yeah, but thankfully, you no longer believe in that theory. No, I haven't brought it up all the time since that I 100% still think that. Are you guys serious unrest in China? So you guys think that this is a, that TikTok is a, a Chinese plot to lower tariffs on Chinese imports and exports? No, I, not the whole thing.

Well, Billy, you did say 100%. No, 100%. They're doing, they're doing stuff like that. Like, but the thing is the U.S. is also trying to, um, destabilize the Chinese regime in China, 100%. Well, there's a hundred percent. So you got to stop using 100%. I have no idea what the technology is that's built into TikTok.

If that technology even exists, we're having one app on your phone like that is capable of harvesting all your information and then sending it back to whoever wants it at the drop of a hat. I don't know if that's even possible to do because I'm not an expert on that. But I would say that it's likely that if that is the case, if I was the Chinese government, I would absolutely be using that to try to further your economic interests. I just don't find it useful. I mean, I guess it's possible.

I just don't find it very probable. Like, in the grand scheme of things, it's just like a waste. It's like some one-off office responsible for swaying American voters to lower Chinese tariffs. I got it's just a very, but it sounds like that's just an example of what they can do. What big team is, I'm asking for examples. I don't really. It sounds like what Big T was describing that. really has nothing to do with TikTok itself.

Here's a good one. That has to do with, that's kind of my point. Here's a good one. You know how there's those balloons that were sent by China that was above US? Yep. Basically, they could also track how many U.S. military personnel are stationed in this space and get a better view of what our military capability looks like just by how many soldiers

have TikTok on their phones. And if they don't have TikTok on their phones, they can tell by, you know, how many are hooked up to the Wi-Fi, like the Wi-Fi routers in their base. I can be ignorant about military interventions. I 100% admit this. But when we think about going against a superpower like China, are we really plotting shit like that? Like, are we really plotting how many bases they have in this?

Okay. That's the whole basis of the intelligence community is to gather intelligence. And even if they're, they're, you know, they're actively doing something at all times because even if they're not in a war or directly doing a mission or something they're still sitting there and being like let's figure out how many

US troops are taking part in this exercise in the South China Sea let's say TikTok is responsible for them collecting the data of understanding how many and how many US bases there are how many active whatever soldiers

I don't even know how that shit works however they know the locations because of US soldiers have TikTok on their phones they know all of this shit what do they do with that information they might

people are really dumb when it comes to their phones so even if you're working hypothetically on like a nuclear missile silo in Wyoming you're probably also like texting your wife well I'm not going to be home

you know I'm going to be two hours late because I have to do maintenance on this missile or something like that you're probably saying something that you shouldn't say over text they have access to like all that stuff which also means that they have access to compromising stuff potentially so blackmail stuff if they have if they somehow manage to let's see there's an admiral that has TikTok on his phone or her phone and they find out that that person is engaged in i don't know a relationship with a co-worker or just somebody that's not their their spouse then all of a sudden you have compromise

material that you can then turn to making that person give you information or else they'll like leak this stuff about your personal life actually that this is a story that's how that's how a lot of shit i've been reading a lot about spies recently if they if they just get like one bit of salacious material into your personal life they'll in the past they've used that to make people give up massive massive nuclear secrets so that's actually there's a story a u.s couple sentenced and plot to sell nuclear submarine secrets. They're claiming that the person who first approached them for them to sell was blackmailing them with stuff.

Okay. The Annapolis, Maryland couple and their attorneys described the defendant's struggles with mental health issues and alcohol and said they sold secrets in exchange for $100,000 in cryptocurrency. Reads like a crime novel or movie script said they were greedy self-serving intentions, placed military service members at sea and every. Yeah, so basically these guys who were first contacted by the people to sell the military secrets were first blackmailed by them, saying, like, we know you've been, let me find the exact thing. So, like, one small example of how blackmail could work is here at Barstool, we're not allowed, we're like expressly forbidden from using bookies, right, to gamble on sports.

and we've been open that in the past before we were owned by a gambling company, many of us have used bookies to place bets. But we all stop doing that and we all understand that if you do that, you will be fired. Like immediately, no questions asked. Because if somebody finds out that you're then using an illegal bookmaker, you're putting the entire company at risk and you're also putting yourself at risk to be blackmailed by somebody that gets that information. If somebody were to find out that you're using an illegal bookie, then they've got the entire company by the balls because they can threaten to release that information and it would be compromised to the point where it would wipe out our entire business model. We might want to cut that.

Why? So why? Nobody here, like it's it's a hard and fast rule. Do you have a bookie, Billy? No, I don't have. Is that? Again, this is the don't clip this show. Yeah, I think I think I'm just, I'm definitely just ignorant on military strategy and all that. of that shit um and nuclear secrets all that shit i just try to stay away from because i really don't care if it happens it happens but i don't know so i guess the argument is foreign people harvesting data bad our government harvesting data good no no no i'm saying like we we definitely do this to other countries too and i'm not saying i'm not saying it's good or it's right or whatever i'm saying it would be naive to think that china wouldn't do that to us when

And if you were to ask it the other way around, like, does the U.S. try to collect intelligence via technology on citizens of other countries for our own interests? I think that we'd all say, yeah, we definitely do. So I think that China is probably the expectations that they're doing the same thing. But doesn't China have nuclear capabilities as well? Yes. Yeah. But they want to know. This is what confuses me. They know we have nuclear weapons, obviously. We know they have nuclear weapons, obviously. What fucking data do we need to collect? What data do they need to collect? finding out finding out where the missiles are located because and then what though to plan a possible attack if we were to be engaged in a nuclear war

against China one of the first things that we would do would be to try to wipe out all their nukes before they were able to be launched so if we know the exact location of all their missiles then we can take out a good percentage

of them before they're able to be used and that way they won't come over to the United States that's all this shit is like 100% planned out but like they think they think the balloon they were trying to see how uh you know our our fighter jets would respond to a UFO appearing in their airspace like how fast would they be up in the air where they would be coming from they this was like a theory as to what the balloon was for but also to take pictures of you know our nuclear silos all yeah so i mean i don't know man so i'm i remain a I remain unconvinced that China is interested in nuking us. I just remain unconvinced.

They might not be currently, but it's all hypotheticals. It's like a paranoia, like the paranoia between, you know, the Cold War, Cold War paranoia hasn't really, like, gone away. It's just that we're not currently, we're trade partners and we're sort of, you know, keep your friends close and your enemies closer. We're like, we're friends now, but like, we still got guns held to each other's head. They don't want to nuke us. They don't want to be engaged in nuclear war with us because that's not good for them at all. It's not good for anybody. But the way that nuclear war kind of has developed is, or the threat of nuclear war, it's the threat that is impactful right now.

So if they, if we know that they know where all our shit is, that means that it's less likely for, us to ever try to fuck with them and launch a nuclear war uh or maybe i said that backward if we know yeah if if the united states knows that china has good intelligence on where all of our nukes are it makes us less likely to launch that first nuke at them and start it because they're like well they're they're going to respond in kind and they'll take out all of our shit so it's really it's grown it's it is stupid as shit yeah but it's you're right you if somebody else has a gun to your as you have a gun to their head. It's a Mexican standoff.

The whole concept of nuclear proliferate, sorry, okay, just understand what I'm trying to say. It's a tough word. It's a tough word. The whole concept of nuclear proliferation. I meant nuclear is the tough one to say. Nuclear. Nuclear. Nuclear.

They're both tough. Nuclear proliferation is that the whole world's in a Mexican standoff. But the good thing about a Mexican standoff is that at that moment, no one, gets shot in a Mexican standoff. Yeah. And, you know, the only people who even know it's really a Mexican standoff are like the high ups in the government, whereas the rest of the citizens can continue to conduct trade and operate as a society.

But like, we all got guns to each other. Yeah. We've got a massive gun that's pointed at Russia. And we know where almost all their shit is right now. Russia has, but the problem is with Russia, they also have these like mobile nuke sites that they can scramble. And they're basically built on semi trucks, massive trucks. massive trucks. So right when it looks like nuclear war would break out, they would send all

their trucks out into like the middle of the forest. In Siberia. And Siberian shit. And we'd be able to take out a good percentage of their land base stuff and their submarines. But they would still have these trucks that are scattered across the country that we have no idea where they are just for that exact purpose. Because they know that we know where all their runways are, their silos and their subs are. But they also know that we can't map out in game plan where all those tiny little trucks are going to be spread out across the country. Have you ever heard of the dead hand? Yeah. Or the dead man's trigger? Yeah. I might be getting the name wrong. But basically there's someone who has to wake up every morning in Russia and press a button in order to indicate that like

Russia still exists and hasn't been destroyed by nuclear war. And if if one day someone doesn't wake up and press that button, all these nukes just get launched at the United States. States. That's, it's a, that's a simple way of describing it. It's not like one guy that yeah, it's not one guy, but like basically you can't like get hung over sleeping. Oh shit. I destroyed the world. Like, like it's it's the dead man's trigger. It's the same concept of a suit like a, like a suicide bomber with a grip switch where if he gets shot his, his grip releases and he blows up. It is dumb that we've gotten ourselves. Well, at least, I mean, at least China has like, hopes and dreams of like a future like Russia low key right now like they they they're you know

main ethnic group who's been like conducted as the ruling class that Putin comes from like ethnic Russians like they've gotten to the point in their demographics where they don't have enough people to maintain the like Russian identity in a couple years so like Putin's like in a in a death cult almost and that's why he's kidnapping Ukrainian kids to like make them Russian because they're sort of the closest ethnic group in similarity. And like he's like trying to maintain like a whole race of people. And if he thinks that Russia's disappearing, like he's quoted as saying like guy like state sponsored TV on Russia's quote and saying like a world without Russia isn't a world that's worth existing. So that's the scariest part about this nuclear thing because Putin is like he he's like the closest thing to like world destruction because if he's like yeah, fuck it.

Russia is going to be gone in 50 years because there's not enough Russians left. Like, fuck it. Let's just blow up the whole earth. I'm dying anyway. I won't see Russia be destroyed. Like, that's the scariest shit on earth. Speaking of death cults. I was just going to say.

Waco. How do you like that segue? The Branch Divideons. The Branch Divideons. Waco, Texas. We're coming up on an anniversary, right? This took place in 1993. It was happening like right now, 30 years ago.

30 years ago, Waco, Texas. There was a compound there. What do you, are you, are you, were you familiar at all with the Waco incident before this week, Aaron? Nope, I had no idea. Yeah, it was like a, it was a pretty big deal. And actually, we can get into this in a little bit, but it kind of, it's the reason for the Oklahoma City bombing. That's, that's why that happened. A couple more.

A couple years later. there was i mean it was in the right after ruby ridge yeah so i guess we can go back to ruby ridge to you actually let's just stick with waco let's start with the foundation of of what was going on with the branch davidians in waco

texas so the uh the davidians were a um they were church they were the seventh day adventist so they believed in apocalypse they were in apocalypse they were in Apocalypse Church, which is basically saying the world's going to end. If you're in our club, you get to survive the end of the world. But it's coming. It's coming. The second coming of Jesus is imminent. And so the only way to be accepted in heaven is to join our group. And it was founded by a guy named Ben Rodin. And they moved to a farm 10 miles east of Waco. And in 1962,

Rodin and his followers took possession of the settlement, and they named it Mount Carmel. There was a guy named Vernon Howell that ended up making his way into this group. We know him now as David Koresh, but his name was Vernon Howell, and he was born to, I believe, a 14-year-old mother, and she basically was an alcoholic, gave him up for adoption, and he was kind of struggling to fit in. He's a super charismatic guy, and he got his way. into this church, into the, into the Divideans. And he started to do some preaching of his own inside this group. So he formed his own sect of the Davidians inside while he was working at this other church

and then split them in half. And then it kind of became a standoff between him and, uh, and Ben Rodin where he was, David Koresh was saying, no, this. guy doesn't know about the end of the world. I'm the only one that knows about the end of the world. And so they got into an argument about that, about which person was the right leader of this cult. And David Koresh actually ended up, he started dating the 70-year-old matriarch of the cult when he was 29, just to like exert his power to show his dominance. He's like, you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to show everybody that I'm in charge here

by fucking the leader's wife, basically. And I think it was after the leader died that he started fucking her. But really came and pulled a power play. And there's not a lot you can say if you just complete, if you're a preacher and you make up when the apocalypse is going to be and you tell people, I'm the only one that you can believe. And then one of your leaders has, or one of your parishioners has more charisma than you.

And he starts telling everybody in the group, actually this guy's wrong. Only I know when the real apocalypse is going to happen. you don't really have much logic or reason to fight back against him with at that point because he's using your own playbook against you. So he ended up taking over the church and he started a new form of Davidian called Branch Divideons. It was like a, I don't know if it was named that because it's a branch of the Divideons

or if there's actually something in the Bible about a branch that he was. Yeah. The funniest part about that showdown between David Koresh and the other cult, what's his saying, Rodin? is that they had a they had a raise off they were trying to they both were challenged each other

trying to reanimate a corpse of a 20 year Anna Hughes I think she was connected to the original Branch Divideans but basically this Rodin guy challenged

Quresh to like who can raise this body reanimate this body yeah like I'm gonna bring this body back from the dead if you think you can do it You do it. Yeah.

It was like, I'm not going to do it. You do it. If you're really the top guy, I'm the top guy. But if you were the top guy, you'd be able to make this corpse come back to life. It's like sword and the stone. Yeah. It's like, yeah, if you put your money where your mouth is. And so they had like a competition to see who could raise this dead person.

Davidian standoff. Yeah. Yeah. And neither one was able to. And then the police were called for like desecration of a corpse. These guys just dug up a 20 year old body and they're just yelling at each other. Yeah, just scream at each other being like, I'm the, I'm the real profit here. from what I read the the OG top guy Rodin was like I'm I could raise this body from the dead

I just don't want to I'm not gonna I don't have to prove it to anybody you're the only guy who's got to prove shit you make the body come back to life yeah yeah it was like it was basically david caresh stepping in and and cucking this guy's community from him yeah a hundred percent just took took everything that he had built up and he's like I'm I'm your spiritual leader now and David caresh was apparently a very charismatic dude he was a music musician, he's, I've heard some of the phone calls, the stuff that they have on tape between him and the FBI or the ATF. And he's, uh, he's like a funny guy. He's like an easy person to talk to, um, but really deeply fucked in the head. So he, he claimed that he was, uh, pretty

much the second coming of Jesus. He was the only one that knew the way out. And, uh, he was also pedophile. Yeah. So he, he got married to, I think a 14 year old. which was not illegal in Texas by the way if you have if the 14 year old's parents give them permission i don't know if this is still on the books but at the time if your parents told you at 14 yeah you can marry this you know 35 year old or whatever that was not illegal to do still really fucked up and it's pedophilia but he was a pedophile uh and he also this is what you do when you take over a cult you're like okay uh nobody is allowed to have sex anymore except for me and if you're married that's fine you can be married in my church but you're no longer

allowed to have sex with each other but if i want to i can have sex with your wife yeah i don't understand this is why like we saw this with the nexium cult that the only one who ends up like staying in it are the women because like all the guys are like yeah what the fuck i'm i'm not like gonna be like cuck and stand around and then they all get just like sent away because they're like what the fuck dude stop fucking my wife and they're like uh the devil's in him so they were in this massive this massive compound dude just stop fucking my wife outside of uh outside waco and they uh in order to make money for the group oh by the way there were also these arbitrary rules that keresh put in place like about what you're allowed to eat and not allowed to eat so you weren't allowed to eat

because dairy was for kids you couldn't eat cheese so that incorporated cheese you would have uh he would have people making just onion soups that was one thing that he encouraged people to eat a lot of but david caresh was allowed to eat whatever he wanted and he was allowed to smoke he was allowed to drink when he wanted to nobody else could it was only him they called them the sinful messiah yeah and so they made their money uh selling and assembling weapons yeah and and guns and firearms which were not illegal necessarily so uh i've i've actually learned a lot about uh fire arms manufacture? Well, I don't want to say a lot because there's definitely people out there like, yo, PFT is no idea. He's talking about what does AR stand for an AR-15. It stands for assault rifle. Everybody knows that. But, but. You should say that that's misinformation

Yeah, come on Yeah, well, obviously it's a joke But you would think What does it, what does it stand for? Armolite rifle It stands for assault rifle I thought it was a salt rifle It stands for assault rifle

It made sense to me I'm not like a gun dude Yeah, no, so there's specific parts on a gun That make it a gun in the eyes of the law So were So the lower receiver is what they look at on a gun.

That's, now correct me if I'm wrong, that's the part that's got the trigger on it is the lower receiver. And so anything on top of that is just a modification to the gun. And they call that piece of the gun for tax purposes. That's where like the serial number and all that stuff is imprinted. That part is what makes a gun. So with a rifle like an AR-15, you can modify, you can put all sorts of shit on top of it,

turn it into something that looks completely different. as long as it's got that same lower receiver. That's the gun that they're talking about. So what the Branch Divideans would do, they would buy a shitload of lower receivers, and then they would modify them. They were pretty skilled firearms manufacturers themselves. They would do it by hand. They would make their own ammo, all of which was completely legal as long as they had

all the documentation to support it, and they would record their sales. They would travel around the country to gun shows, selling these weapons that they had built or modified technically uh and they would make a bunch of money doing that and apparently they would they kept really good records and uh yeah everything was copacetic they would they were just kind of weirdos they had a massive stockpile of weapons but every gun manufacturer every gun distributor in america has a large stockpile of weapons if that's what their business is the divideans were weird so this was a quote from the uh weight Tribune Harold, sort of describing the elements of what the Branch Devidians believed.

If you were a Branch Devidian, Christ lives on a threadbare piece of land 10 miles east of here called Mount Carmel. He has dimples, claims a ninth grade education, married his legal wife when she was 14, enjoys a beer now and then, plays a mean guitar, reportedly packs a 9mm Glock, and keeps an arsenal of military assault rifles, and willingly admits that he is a sinner without equal. So he's the Lamb of God. Yeah. So they all thought this one guy was Jesus. They did. And he definitely let them think that. Yeah.

And so they were making most of their money to, you know, keep the lights on, provide for everybody that lived there through arm sales. And I've always wondered, why is it called the ATF, the division of alcohol, tobacco, and firearms? They seem like things that, I don't know, why, why is that all grouped together as the same thing? Pretty fun things. It seems like, yeah, the place I would want to work. Things you don't mix. Yeah, it sounds like a great Fourth of July. So it turns out for taxation reasons.

So it's a division of the IRS because those are all controlled substances or things that are sold in America. And they all have to be taxed at a certain rate. So firearms are regulated. by the government. Cigarettes regulated by the government, alcohol regulated by the government. And they all have these specific numbers that are given to each unit that's sold to make sure that's taxed at the appropriate rate. So when you think, when there's suspicion that somebody is gooseing the numbers or not reporting things, it's the division of alcohol, tobacco, and firearms that would then investigate that on behalf of the IRS as a taxation issue, which I didn't know.

I ain't know that either So they were tipped off By a guy that used to be in the branched Divideans That got pissed off because Koresh started to fuck his wife Yeah So he left the church And honestly like I get it I get it

He was pissed off at Koresh And sent in some tips Saying hey They're fucking around with a bunch of firearms This guy's fucking my wife Not yeah Also if you could charge him for impregnating Sheila That would be wonderful

but at the very least maybe just look at his tax forms imagine you're running away from a cult and you're just like trying to find like who can I tell what this guy is doing like he's like which bureau will hear me out like which alphabet boys is going to hear my cries

and it's just like ended up at the ATF the department of the interior of my wife is being invaded by David Koresh who do I call when someone's just banging my wife? Yeah is there a number is there like 6-9-1-1-1 one cuck support

cuck support so yeah this guy reports the branch devidians to a couple law enforcement agencies and they try to get in touch with the branch dividians one way or another they have people pose

undercover to try to investigate them they started making some calls around and this dude that was the sheriff at the time was very close to the branch Divideans. And the sheriff found out that the government was looking into it. And so he made contact with Koresh. And Koresh said, if you want to, you can come in and you can inspect our paperwork. And the ATF said, no, thank you. We're not going to do that, which they probably should have done

because he was inviting them in to look at all the records. But they wanted to continue their undercover investigation. So they actually had, they had, I think, three or four agents that went undercover. They rented the house right across the street from this massive compound. And they said that there were college students, but they never left their house and they all drove the same car. It was a really shitty undercover operation. And so they're all like 30 year old dudes. And Koresh immediately was like, well, these people are definitely investigating us. They're just watching us all day long. They're definitely from the federal government. And so they would sometimes the people, the undercover agents would come in and take part in the services and just

kind of hang out for a while because it was like a community center. I mean, obviously, like, a community center where guys are fucking your wife and also married to 14-year-old. So it wasn't like going down to the Y and playing basketball or whatever. But they opened their doors and people could come in and take part of the services whenever they wanted. They were like part of the community. And so some of these undercover agents would come in and Koresh was like, these guys are not cool. Don't tell them anything. So the undercover investigation didn't really go anywhere.

And then there was, I think, a UPS driver or a U.S. Postal Service worker, some sort of mail courier was delivering a package to this compound. And he said that one of the boxes fell open. It broke open as he was doing the delivery. And inside he saw a bunch of grenades and he saw a bunch of weapons. And he believed the grenades to be illegal. It felt illegal to him at the time. They say that they were dummy grenades, like practice grenades, which are just like they're. are just inert, inert grenades that.

They look like grenades. They look like grenades, but you can't, like, pull them. There's, like, no explosive in them. There's no explosive. You can pull them, but they're used for practice. Yeah. So, um, the, the mail courier then alerted the ATF about it, being like, hey, they've got some potentially illegal stuff here.

Then the ATF got a search warrant and they decided they were going to, um, or it was, it was arrest warrant and a search warrant. So they had an arrest warrant for Koresh and a search warrant. search warrant for the compound. And then on February 28th, 70 ATF agents tried to raid the complex. So what happened was they alerted the local news that this raid was going to happen. And this cameraman was driving around trying to find the complex so that he could get a shot of the live raid as it was going on. And he ran into some person. It was like, hey, do you know where this complex is, Mount Carmel? Because I was, I was unclear about that. Did it?

anybody how did how did how did or who alerted the local news that that was going to go down i don't know exactly who did it the thing is a lot of these agencies they want to get credit for rate like there's a classic uh there's like a tom cruise movie i just saw this clip but like every every different like state police you know FBI everyone wants credit for these big busts so they can like you know take the picture with all the drugs on the table type thing or like you know you know you know finding a huge illegal weapons cash they take the picture and then they get a raise they get promoted so that they can show like on their resume like look we did this we found like so there's you know whenever something bad's happening they want like so if there was a film of them doing

a perp walk with david koresh and like arresting people like all those visuals are what a lot of these agents sort of like it's it's their crowning moment so they do want media publicity at those times to show like oh like look at this hall we brought in it's the same reason why people take pictures of the fish they catch someone's got to know you caught it especially in this catch and release culture pixel didn't happen yeah yeah yeah so they uh there was it was it was jim peeler who is a cameraman of kw tx and he ran into david jones david jones was a u.s mail carrier. And he was trying to find out, the cameraman was trying to find out where the complex is. And so he asked David Jones. He's like, hey, where is it? There's about to be an

ATF raid. So I'm going to go film it. And David Jones, the mail carrier, was actually a branch Davidian himself. So he heard about this, hauled ass back to the compound, told Koresh, hey, this is, it's going down. The ATF is coming in. And a major tenant of what David Koresh had been preaching was like you at some point we will all be surrounded and Satan is going to come in and try to take everything and we have to defend ourselves. So he was a doomsday cult guy who had been preaching that they will be the target of annihilation. So this is all playing into everything that he had said to everybody. So when he lets them know, hey, this is the day that I've been telling you guys about everybody, their belief that he was actually Jesus or a disciple was like,

strengthen more because this was happening because he had he had foretold this this is kind of like the andrew tate thing where Andrew tate's like they're going to try to silence me and arrest me but it's like yeah they're going to come arrest me it's like they're going to come arrest you because you know you've done a crime yeah it's like was it first they first they cancel you then they silence you then they destroy you what is no he's like first they silence you then then they'll arrest you for nothing and then they'll just kill you. Yeah. So this is why people are like, well,

Andrew Tate is right about every prophet. This is why David Koresh is right. But loki, Andrew Tate's kind of being illegally detained. Okay. They just keep pushing his court date for 30 days. Like, he's not getting a fair trial. We can talk about that another time. A fair trial, by whose definition?

Because he's in Romania, right? Yeah, like, he's getting fucked in like a post-communist dictatorship type. country right now like he's bad dude but definitely not getting due process i don't know what romanian due process is well he just flaunt forever he bragged about how free romania was it's like if you live in america and you think you're free you're a cuck romania's where it's actually free i do whatever the fuck i want i drive 150 on the highway and they won't say shit and now and now he's in prison uh just with no court date yeah it's probably a bunch of romanian police officers just replaying all the clips

of him saying you can do anything in Romania like the cops don't do shit I think you don't think we do shit I think Andrew Tate and David Koresh probably similar dudes yeah both charismatic and in their own ways both involved romantically

with women that they might not traditionally be accepted to being involved with all these charismatic dudes who end up like in history who ended up with like cults do you think they would just be podcasters nowadays

yeah David Koresh would be great podcast. I mean, do you think if it wasn't for podcasting, one of us might end up being a cult leader? I hope not. It's a possibility. Make more money as a leader, have more fun as a follower. Yeah. I mean, in a way, we are kind of cult leaders. Uh, like everyone has Davidians, AWLs. Every, yeah, everybody has their followings. We got to start. Sometimes we get invited over to people's homes. Yeah. We fuck their wide. Don't know. Jokes. Joke. ever done that.

Joe. Billy might have. I don't know. Joke. So the ATF started their raid and there's some dispute as to who shot first. Nobody really knows. Well, so this is really the controversy. Billy is the first person to actually know.

The right door, the right door of the big door in the front. The left door was left. There's a huge fire, by the way. We should probably explain what happens. There's debate over who shot first, but very damning evidence just completely went missing from the scene. Well, yeah, yeah. So, I mean, there's there's the first raid and then there's the siege, then there's the last part of it. So the first raid on it, uh, ATF agents swarm the compound and they started advancing on it. And some people say that the ATF agents, Aaron, you'll like this,

they shot the dogs outside. They only shoot the dogs. And so that's what the first gunfire was. And then the branch Davidians thought that they were being fired upon. So then they shot at if they never shot the dogs. It's actually backs up what Aryan has been saying, which is like people care for their dogs as much as they care for humans or more. More. The branch of Indians probably just saw their dogs get shot and they were like, fuck it. Dude, that's what happened in Ruby Ridge.

The guy's dog gets shot. And he goes, you sons of bitches shot my dog. And then he just starts returning fire. I don't think you can like if you, if someone shot my dog, I don't think I'd react rationally. No, definitely not. In front of my face. So like that, like, that's.

That's just like they're not in the right state of mind. No. So the ATF may have shot their dogs first. There was gunfire exchange. We don't know who shot who first. So this is, I was confused about this part because I, that first part of the initial raid, I am under the assumption that it is absolutely the ATF's fault why I went down the way it went down.

It's they fault they men died and how they operated it. Did anybody else come away with that conclusion? Yes. They dropped the ball on that shit. Like one, the biggest glaring one was when the news dude tipped him off, the other guy that was a mail route deliverer that said, yo, they're going to rate the house. Now we lost that element of surprise. Dog, we don't need to be doing this right now. Yeah.

We need to, you know what I'm saying? Like, that would have fucked him up way more, especially with his following. Like, if he thinks it's going down today and it doesn't go down today, might look at him a little sideway. his followers, right? But then we have another day sometime down the future. I don't know. That was just badly coordinated.

That shit, they dropped the ball on that shit. I agree. I agree 100%. They, I think Koresh himself even said, like, they could have arrested me when I'm out on my jog.

They could arrest me at Walmart buying stuff for the compound. They didn't have to, like, storm the compound. And then he had that call with them. Like, after they had the ceasefire, I don't we're going to get into it. But like after the ceasefire, he had to call with him and he was absolutely correct he was like this is y'all's fault yeah i i agree

that part i agree with him yeah i think like you don't have to say that anybody in this situation is a great person but right like david krech obviously was a bad dude and he was doing some very manipulative uh and dangerous things um in terms of like some of the the sex stuff that was going on there madeline just real quick uh quote card from aryan quote i agree with parentheses David Koresh. No, no, no. We all got enough shit on my button, man.

Don't clip that. Actually, put like, like, no, don't put none of that shit, man. Fuck that shit. Paracoot. Esfriano started taking some bullets on this goddamn podcast. I take a lot of bullets.

Fuck that shit. Good. I take, I take a lot of bullets. I took the biggest bullet of all time. The Waco, the right door that mysteriously disappeared, also took a lot of ATF bullets. Yes.

Coming in. So basically, why the right door is so let me read this why the right door is like such a controversial point is that the right door would indicate whether the first shots came through the front like if the like if the shots came through the door

out to the outside or the shots came from the outside through the door and they would have been able to tell through ballistics who shot first like in what exactly had happened but the right door apparently went missing in a state trooper reported that someone in a U-Haul van had taken the right doorway after everything it happened. Interesting.

So yeah, they fucked us up big time. They fucked up the raid. And a bunch of people got shot. There were four federal agents that were killed. Six branched Divideans were killed in this raid. And then probably 16, 20 more people injured, including David Koresh, who got shot through the front door. and he got hit in his hip and he thought he was going to die he got hit in his wrist too um so a lot of people a lot of people got shot and there was so much gunfire going back and forth

back and forth that after a couple hours they they called a ceasefire they couldn't get into the compound enough people had been shot and uh the ATF had to get their their dead and wounded out and get the wounded to the hospital and get treatment so they called a ceasefire and then now all of a sudden they had a siege under their hands where they had a building filled with people that had just fired on government agents, killed many of them, and they couldn't get in, but they're still like a hostile oppositional force in the eyes of the ATF. So then about 900 law enforcement officials descended on the compound, and they had FBI hostage negotiators. And there were like, there were a few different parts of the ATF and the FBI that were all trying to handle

this at the same time and all trying to big dick each other. This is what I love about cop shows when they have the fight over jurisdiction. Yeah. This is my crime scene. Yeah. Get out here. This is my crime scene. Because they all want to pose and get the big trophy at the end where they pose with the gunstash or pose with the drugs. It's really for the clout. Yeah. Like we need more funding. Look at all the great work we've done. Yeah. I need a raise. Everybody wants credit for it. Promote me. For sure. So, so then the FBI negotiators started talking to Koresh. And they made it so that they couldn't call out to anywhere else except for to the FBI line. And so they started to negotiate.

Koresh eventually asked for milk for the kids that were inside. So they delivered a bunch of milk to the facility. They asked Koresh to release certain people, including women, children, sign of good faith, would release him to the outside. But then you also had parts of the ATF that they didn't want to play, they didn't want to play his game. They didn't want to be seen as negotiating. David Koresh. So what would happen would be the FBI would establish a relationship with him and they'd start working together, try to figure out how to make this whole thing to come to an end

as peacefully as possible. And then the ATF would just fuck everything up and cut their power or start blasting sounds of rabbits being killed. Just like they had like a soundtrack that they would play. They would play like heavy metal music. They'd play all sorts of just real loud bad shit to listen to. And they just fuck with the Devidians to try to, you know, show signs of strength. Because in their minds, they thought that the stronger the government appeared, the more likely his cult followers, the Branch Devidians, would be to realize that David Koresh was full of shit and to turn on him and to surrender themselves. But what they didn't realize, because nobody in the situation evidently did any homework whatsoever, they didn't

realize what Koresh had been preaching to his disciples and how everything that the government was doing were exactly things that Koresh said was about to happen. So he's like, yeah, they're, they're going to treat you like shit. They're Satan. They're going to come after you. They're big bullies. And 100% of that stuff ended up happening because of what the ATF was doing. So they, instead of like turning on Koresh and abandoning him, they actually, started to follow him more because they were like this guy's the real deal also what's kind of weird about this whole thing is bill clinton was very involved well his attorney general definitely was yeah uh jillian sessions who's the fbi director uh there's several conversations recorded about him talking

with clinton and clinton was approving uh the waiting strategy tactic and just to wait him out also this is on the heels of like uh drink the kool-aid like cults definitely had a bad rap in this time period and they thought everyone that you know this guy was just going to cause a mass suicide yeah yeah they thought it was going to be uh they thought that koresh was going to like blow up the entire building yeah with everybody inside and who knows how that would have shaken out but uh janet reno the attorney general at the time she was like very involved with this whole negotiation thing. And after, I think this was what, yeah, April 19th, 1993,

the FBI put their plan into action. So their plan that they did brief the attorney general on was that they were going to be spraying tear gas into the complex. So tear gas grenades, they were going to be shooting it from tanks. And by the way, this whole time, they had tanks that they were just using. So because a farmer had reported that he, the farmer was a Vietnam vet, he had served many tours in the military, and he one day was out on his farm and he heard 50 caliber gunfire in the distance that he was able to identify because of his military experience in a heavy, also M16s. So he reported that that he heard 50 caliber like heavy armor piercing rounds apparently. so because of that the you know FBI ATF brought armored vehicles yeah so in the warrant that was

signed the evidence was that a neighbor had heard automatic gunfire yeah but that was checked out by the police and the branch Davidians like let the local police in and was like no we've just got guys that are shooting out where you're allowed to shoot yeah and they're just pulling the trigger real fast so it might sound like automatic gunfire yeah and that checked out they like saw them do it so there's probably there's probably two sides that they might have had some automatic weapons there but they uh i don't think it was proven it was like it was definitely not enough evidence to get that warrant that they ended up getting yeah so but 50 caliber machine gun like a 50 cal is a huge gun like if you ever watch roost not is it rooster

no techs in uh not platoon anyway i'm forgetting but like it's the guy who carries a gigantic machine gun for cover fire that's also supposed to pierce armor. Yeah, so they had tanks and shit that they were just rolling up and they were, they like towed away their cars, crushed their cars. I think they crushed or destroyed David Koresh's Camero. And at that point, he cut off negotiations with everybody when he's like, you fucked up my car. We're done talking here. The time for talk is over. And then he threw the phone out the, out the front door.

But some people are saying that they also disabled. they cut the telephone lines and that's why they threw it out front but um so janet reno gave permission for the FBI uh and the ATF to raid the compound and um she was under the as well from from what i've read and i don't know all the details but they briefed her on what the raid was going to be and that they were going to spray tear gas into the complex and that tear gas would uh make anybody that was inside want to get out but it wouldn't harm anybody it wouldn't catch on fire. It wouldn't kill anyone. Now, if you're getting tear gassed in like a very confined area, you can, I think you can definitely suffocate on that, right? Yeah. If there's not

enough oxygen, you're just breathing in the gas. It's like very, it's uncomfortable and it's painful and, but it's supposed to be non-lethal. That's at least what their assumption was. It also is flammable in, uh, confined spaces. So yeah, they, she claims that she was told that tear gas would not be flammable yeah but there's also certain things that can set tear gas on fire that they didn't necessarily check out like there were a bunch of kerosene lamps that they were using for heat and yeah and light inside and so if you had a combination of kerosene open flame and and uh tear gas that could fuck with people big time so they like drove tanks pretty much into the complex started spraying tear gas inside 400 tear gas canisters so

I guess we should note that there were about 100 people still inside this compound. And so they just tear gasped the entire complex starting at 6 a.m. on April 19th. So there's a lot of debate with this because originally the government claimed that they had used zero pyrotechnic devices. And by that meaning like explosives. But basically in the aftermath, Attorney General Reno had specifically directed that no pyrotechnic devices be used in the assault between 19, In 1993, in 1999, the FBI spokesman denied, even under oath, the use of any sort of pyrotechnic devices during the assault. However, pyrotechnic flight right CS gas grenades had been found in the rubble immediately

following the fire. In 1999, FBI spokesman backtracked saying that they, in fact, used the grenades, but then contended they'd only been used during an early morning attempt to penetrate a covered water-filled construction pit 40 yards away and were not fired into the building. As such, the FBI stated that the pyrotechnic device. were unlikely to contribute to the fire. So the FBI denied using pyrotechnic devices, then admitted to using pyrotechnic devices,

but not in the same area as the building, but they were found in the rubble of the building. So the FBI probably used pyrotechnic devices trying to bust open the building. Yeah, that's the thing. If you're in the FBI or the ATF and you get tanks and shit and you get cool guns to play with,

this is your scenario where you're going to use the... If you're not going to use the tanks now, when are you going to use the tanks? That's what's so dangerous about giving, like, local law enforcement armored cars and shit. It's like, not armored cars, but, you know, like military grade vehicles. If they have it, they're going to use that shit. Riot gear. Like, you give them, like, tons of anti-riot gear.

They're going to use it. Yeah. So they had, they had all these cool pieces of equipment. They did have Bradley fighting vehicles, too. Oh, yeah. They brought in the tanks, right? Yeah, it was tanks and Bradley armored vehicles that they were using outside. the compound, which was probably

I'll bet you they love doing that. If you're in the ATF, this is like your action that you get to see. Yeah, I mean you probably think that there's like a larger fighting force of men in that compound but they didn't know that at the time probably that all the

men like ran away because this guy was fucking their wives. Right. So there's just women and children in there. Right. Big T. Where are you at in this raid situation? In terms of what? In terms of how it's shaken out so far. Poorly.

Yes. I think that'd be fair to say. Yeah, I didn't know this was like a month and a half thing. I always, I guess I assumed it was one day. Yeah. So yeah, I didn't know that it went on this long. It became almost like a burning man for some people. It became like a big event that people traveled from all over the country to.

actually fuck I just did a Kobe thing there again where I yeah I shouldn't have called it burning I didn't mean to do that

there's a lot of burning people I realized it after I said I was not saying burning man because people burned I was Coachella it's like Coachella that would have been

way better if I had said Coachella I did not could have picked like 13 Bonarue Lollapalooza I think your brain just does it subconsciously no I did not

your dopamine reward system definitely rewards making puns that was not I was not doing a problem. You probably subconsciously did it. It's not your fault. It's just how your brain is here.

That's a rare Billy W, I think. Yeah. I think your brain is wired to do things like that, even when you don't realize it. Yeah, that might be the case. I need to, I need to get that shit. That's wow that you just let that slight slide, though, Billy. That's what rare. I have a lot of Ws.

I just don't get acknowledged for them. You can, you can disagree on the, the frequency of Billy's Ws, but it was, it was a Billy W. That might be the case. I mean, the common big T.W. I mean, it is common. It's extremely common. That's why I kick it to big T so often is because he's about to say some truth.

I speak the truth, but they hated Jesus when he spoke the truth. Okay. And this is where we get into the rare. All right. But when I'm talking about the people that would go almost on a pilgrimage to Waco to watch this all shaking. out it was a lot of people that were disaffected a lot of veterans showed up and they were on the side of the branched divisions because they believed that the federal government was overstepping their bounds and this is what ties it back to ruby ridge when there was that uh bill you want to walk

us through billy billy's cliff notes yeah ruby ridge basically one dude took his fan he met this uh former green beret um met a woman who's also super religious and we're like fuck the world let's go find a cabin in the middle of the woods and have a family and build a life together uh kind of may have been involved in the aryan nation yeah i think he was i think he that's where he was selling guns we're not very like i think it is recorded that he might have been a definitely a a white separatist um and just wanted to live alone with his family in the Woods was charged and didn't show for a hearing on selling some sought-off shotguns to an ATF agent who was embedded in an Aryan Nation group and then ended up they rolled up to his

house to serve a warrant for his arrest because he didn't show up for the hearing and they shot his they the agents there were trying to see how the dog would react to you know them showing up so they were throwing rocks and then the dog ran out with his son because the son thought that it was like a a game item and they shot the dog the father came out he's like you bastard shot my dog and he started shooting at the ATF agents a similar standoff occurred which ended up with the guy whose name is I was it weaver weaver his wife got shot while holding his daughter in her arms and his infant daughter they ended up getting I think like

close to $3 million in a wrongful death suit from the government but you know that's considered like all the sort of there's a lot of like white nationalists who see this is like justifying of their cause

but it's like yeah whole situation and they group in wakeau with it but waco was a much more diverse community of people yeah so the uh the i don't know what you it's probably not just one community that flocked to waco but a lot of the uh they justify it as like a white net like like the government is trying to kill us yeah there a lot of um libertarians isn't even the right word yeah it's like farther it's it's like radical a lot of militia yeah the militia adjacent people yeah um gun show enthusiasts uh

It became like, okay, here are two examples of the federal government trying to take away your guns, trying to take away your liberty. So they all showed up in Waco and it became, you know, a place where people would hang out. One of the people that showed up there was Timothy McVeigh, the guy that ended up doing the Oklahoma City bombing. I think he was selling bumper stickers and stuff. And it just became a place for people to hang out with their community and to be together and witnessing what they thought was a massive overreesome. reached by the United States federal government. So we read his, his, uh, mission statement.

McVeigh. Yeah. Well, it was his, uh, his author bio on Amazon. It was like from jail there or some shit, right? Well, he's, he's written books and Amazon, or no, that was Ted Kaczynski. Yeah, the Unabombo. Yeah, the Unabombs. Kind of similar, a lot of similar beliefs between these, like, separatists.

They like, reject modern society. You want to live alone. and be self-sufficient. Randy Weaver went to live amongst the Amish to figure out how to live alone. But like, think about it, the Amish are kind of white separatists. Probably not white, but like their own, their own, like, culture.

Like, you don't think about it that way, but they are religious fanatics. They probably hate like the Irish, though. So you can't say like white. Yeah, but they're, like they are a German ethnic group that just wants to live alone and yes like so they're cultural supremacists cultural supremacists that you know are separatists who live alone and like I mean zipper super or no not zipper they hate zippers they're their buckle supremacists yeah

yeah they hate zippers but like they are a fanatical group if you think about it I mean they're non they're not violent they make great furniture yeah if if the Branch Divideans have been making well-constructed furniture at reasonable prices. They've been fine. They would have had their own stores and strip malls across America's. I kind of think the Amish might have armed stockpiles. I want you to look into that, Billy. I want you to look into the Amish being organized crime.

Well, there is the Amish mafia. Yeah, I want you to do, we'll do that in a future episode. I want to hear Billy's, but I'm just going to let you cook on that one. But, yeah. So, yeah, there were a bunch of people that showed up there and kind of celebrated this cause together. Actually, McVeigh was in a jail cell that might have been adjacent to or at least in the same block, a prison cell as Kaczynski after McVey got arrested. So they interacted a couple times. Yeah, I watched McVe's interview that he gave. I think it was on 60 minutes

back in the 90s. He also claimed that he didn't put as much explosives. Yeah, we can get into that there's like there's weird there's a whole conspiracy that like a lot of the like for example it's part of a whole thing but like for example in ruby ridge he wasn't a neo-nazi and that they made that up to justify his killing and like you know they sort of made up a lot of the bad stuff about the branch dividians and in the same vein timothy mcvay like was only targeting the ATF part of that building but someone else had put a bunch of more explosives to make it worse it's like a it's definitely wrong it's a wrong conspiracy but it's how they conceptualize like waco and like worshiping not like worshiping but like almost taking pilgrimages to waco because they're like it's the government

the government's bad they set all these people up and like that's their ideology yeah so big fair i actually do believe that there's somebody else out there that's responsible for the Oklahoma City bombing. So along with McVeigh. I also think that. I didn't know if that was out there. No, McVeigh was definitely, you know, the driving factor behind it. And he was a massive part of it. And he got arrested rightfully so, I think. And there's like so much evidence that shows that he was the guy that ultimately did it. But I also think that he did not snitch on at least one, maybe more people that were also involved in it. And that's why if you watch any of the interviews that he gave, He's talking from death row essentially about why he did certain parts of what he did.

But then there are some questions that he won't answer because his lawyers are still dealing with appeals. And I could pick up on a little bit that the only motivation that he would have for not expounding on certain questions when he's like about to be put to death for this is because he's like negotiating something with the government at the time. maybe in exchange for him not getting lethal injection or maybe preferential treatment and, you know, stuff for his family. But I'm pretty sure that there's somebody else that was involved in Oklahoma City that was never convicted or arrested for it. Because it just doesn't make like one person, one car, that scope of explosion. It's just. McVeigh was also a huge meth head. Yeah.

He just basically spent his entire life post-military driving back and forth across the United. States doing meth and other drugs and there were times where he would go out to Arizona hang out with his buddy and they would just stay up for like five days at a time smoking meth yeah do you think I think he might have been part of a larger militia that then pulled off that crime like pulled off the whole thing could it could have been there might be multiple people that were never implicated for it and he was the guy that got caught and so he he he was like okay I'm gonna just I'm gonna I'm gonna take this take the rap take the rap for it but he definitely did that shit McFay yeah like 100%

that shit. So yeah, there's a bunch people that were, yeah. Then crazy part, getting back, since we're talking about McVeigh, a movie came out that sort of really radicalized McVeigh called the film was called Waco the Big Lie and

basically they showed edited footage of the TV station showing that one of the armored vehicles was using a flamethrower to burn down the whole compound. In the narrative, well, let's get back to the play-by-play.

Okay. All right. So the building got pretty much burned to the ground. Everybody, almost everybody inside died. Nine people got out, but 75 people died. 25 kids. And a lot of people had been shot when they looked at the autopsy. So there's speculation that people shot themselves, shot others, family members, things

like that as the building was on fire. And who knows how that always. went down nobody will ever know like caresh was found with a gunshot wound too yeah we don't know if he shot himself or if somebody else shot him or if he was like in a room that was on fire and there was a gun there and he decided okay it'll be faster to do this we don't know how that all shook out but there were 75 people that died so there's a lot of questions as to how they died how the fire started where the gunshots come from but and it was actually the the narrative was it was a mass suicide like the Jonestown

event and like that you know they were doomsday death cult but there was a ton of unused ammunition in the compound something like millions of unshot ammunition that was set off by the large fire

which no one really knows how it started this Waco the big live video says that they flamethrowered the whole building and that's like you know used by the anti-government people to be like that's like the government burned down the whole place

and said it was a death cult but it might have been rounds going off in the fire shooting people yeah like because there's just all of these unused rounds the fire goes off you know like I don't

I'm not sure the exact like how a bullet set on fire can be set off but in a bullet casing there's a bullet tip that actually goes out the gun and then there's like the cartridge part which is filled it with uh uh black powder yeah like an ignition source um so if those were exploding and going off and shooting like i guess people could have been hit by them or were they trapped in the fire and realized they couldn't get

out and just started shooting themselves uh or in there was a whole group of people who died because a wall collapsed in the compound when they hit it with a tank it was a total shit show. Yeah, it was. And good news though, there was a, an investigation that Janet Reno commissioned and they determined 2000 that the U.S. government did not cause the fire or shoot. So problem. Case closed. So there were accusations. One of the Branch Divideans that escaped, I think was like we didn't start the fire, but his coat had been found with diesel on the sleeve. On the sleeve. on the sleeves, which would indicate, like, if they were moving diesel, but also, you know, a work coat could have had diesel on it from pumping gas or moving, like... Yeah, so they had kerosene lamps inside.

Yeah. So there's a possibility that they drove the tank into the back wall or whatever, knocked over some kerosene lamps, started massive fires. Maybe they were knocked over for other reasons inside. Nobody knows, but there were, maybe there were, like, incendiary devices that were used. We don't know what happened. But the whole place caught fire and almost everybody died inside. And then when they were doing the investigation, there's a lot of stuff that went missing. Not just the right door, but they like bulldozed the entire place to the ground way too early in the investigation.

So there's really no way to know exactly what went down there. But to Aryan's point, if you flash back in time and you go back to the initial rate on it, like the U.S. government just clearly fucked this up. massively if you had just arrested the dude when he was at the store like a normal person would instead of trying to like break down break down the door and storm the complex yeah then this probably would have turned out a whole lot differently but uh and they also completely underestimated what was going to happen when when the government laid siege to the building for a long time and they thought that koresh would give up or that his followers would turn against him but the entire time he's just using it to like reinforce what he had already been teaching i mean it's crazy that they

they were the constriction weight out method they thought was would usually work with a rational actor but you're dealing with a cult like in of irrational actors and i think they didn't want a mass suicide to occur but at the same time like it's just weird uh there's a lot like psychologists who talk about why they didn't the the way they should have negotiated them with like someone who was about to jump off a building but they negotiated them like they were a terrorist group or like a bank robber hold up yeah in a bank like it wasn't there's a lot of talk about like how they talk but anyway I mean it was right for conspiracy theory because of how the government definitely did make some missteps and did some unconstitutional things against who they thought were bad

people and they just like sort of wanted a as law enforcement sometimes does you know absolved themselves of any wrongdoing and covered up a lot of what happened but in turn that caused like jet like deck like there's impacts of the waco siege decades onward because this cause guys like Alex Jones you know tons of militia movements um and then like white supremacists who see this whole thing is like the government trying to you know kill people who like seek a different way of life like the whole ruby ridge thing is framed amongst a lot of circles is like the government wanted to destroy like uh weaver because he lived off the grid yeah and like wasn't dependent on the system and like he didn't use electricity like he didn't have to pay anybody any money you didn't

participate in like matrix yeah i mean that's their whole in amer in the matrix yeah matrix in america you're allowed to do crazy shit and you're allowed to start your own branch of your religion and be completely nuts and have a cult following you as long as they like agree to follow you on their own volition you obviously can't sleep with children and like do some of the stuff that he was doing which is definitely illegal but you're allowed to be crazy in america and stockpile guns if you're selling guns and you're doing that all correctly you are allowed to do that without having the government like break into your building and try to take you out yeah like from i mean definitely bad guys but they didn't find

out that the guy was like sleeping with children until after the whole raid i don't know they probably had their suspicions i don't know how that all shook out but they the point is they the government did not raid the place because he was a sex predator that wasn't in the yeah like warrants or any of the justification the justification was that a male carrier saw like a box break open that had black powder and practice grenades in it but they didn't even know we don't even know if that was true like yeah if that tip that came in like yeah it was very it was very flimsy evidence obviously they should have arrested this guy because he was he was a pedophile yeah but uh they they definitely did not have the goods to like invade the place because of what they said they

were invading it for and then like tons of i mean the amount of children that died in this thing is ridiculous yeah the fact that they was the total what's the total what's the total count. 25 kids died. I mean, the fact that they even... I think the total was 75 people died in the final raid in addition to like four, five, or six in the previous raid. And then four federal agents were shot in the previous raid.

I mean, the fact that they even engaged in with a building that had 25 children in it, like, I mean, by today's standards, I guess, I mean, this was how many years ago? 40 years ago now? 30. 30. 30, like, like 25 children in a building and you're going to tear gas it? Mm-hmm. Like, I don't know.

Yeah. Yeah, the kids aren't going to be able to get out on their own. Like, did anyone think that maybe the kids, I don't know. It's just ridiculous. Yeah. So a few people escaped during the raid, but most people died. And then he did, Clinton promises the full investigation, which ended up clearing the entire federal government of anything wrong, which is, yeah, who expect anything else out of that.

So how this affects, you know, America decades onward because of the actions of a couple agencies that day who, you know, probably wanted to advance their careers, covered a bunch of stuff up, but caused tons of conspiracies and stuff after the fact. Alex Jones, you know, the government wants to take your guns, look at Waco. they did totally unlawful things trying to take these guys guns who knows what else they would do to cause to try to take your guns oh like this is a very you know uh apparent topic but like Alex like Alex Jones then makes the assumption that like the government will do anything to take your guns including staging mass shootings yeah and that whole canad worms yeah so yeah so

McVeigh saw this and then on the two-year anniversary, that's when they blew up the, what's it, the Murdaugh? Murdo. Is it the Murrow? I think you're federal building. I think it might be the Murrow. I'm not sure of the name of it. The federal building in Oklahoma. That was in direct retaliation for Ruby Ridge and probably more specifically Waco because of when it occurred two days to the date of the final raid.

Yeah. And yeah, you're right. Alex Jones definitely was hugely influenced. I mean, it happened in Waco, which is about an hour north where Alex Jones grew up.

So this was definitely, this was big stuff for him at the time. This was like a local story that was international news that he probably felt like he was a part of because it was in his backyard. Yeah. So this is probably a big reason why he hates

the federal government. It is weird to me that a branch of the IRS has tanks Well after 9-11 it was switched to the Department of Defense They moved it over Or let me look at the exact

I know at the time It was part of the IRS Yeah Do you think they were pissed About how much tax dollars They weren't getting Maybe I think

Through the branch Dividians I think that you're Of guns If you're in law enforcement You just You want action You probably get bored a lot So

So yeah That's that's Waco kind of in a nutshell I mean it birth kind of this whole like it definitely got the second amendment nuts going

like all the stuff we're seeing today yeah like the government wants to take your guns like you have to be armed to defend yourself from the government from the government who wants to take your guns

so that's why you should get your guns and they're all like you know the founding fathers told us the government's going to try to take your guns one day look they're trying to take the guns Do whatever takes I forget what the

tweet is But somebody says like The Founding Fathers Also didn't know what a germ was A lot A lot's changed since the 1700s Ben Franklin was trying Yeah less diseases

We're all more healthy Than we were back in the day Ben Franklin was trying Trying to what Like figure out what germ was Yeah he was He probably caught a couple Bacteria

And virus Yeah In France He was probably an expert Yeah, but I'm, but, uh, but, like, you know that story about Ben Franklin having all those bodies they found underneath his like, uh, Philadelphia house? No. Where he was chop. You don't know the story? Like, no. He owned the house and he basically was having body snatchers bring bodies and they were just like trying to figure out science and chopping people up.

How horny do you have to be to like go over to France twice a year, just to fuck? You know, you know what you had to do back then? You had to get on a ship. Yeah. Took a while. And go, yeah. Just to fuck. Well, you know, he was. specifically horny because i think you could find uh you know sex workers in america you've been on missions you know what i'm saying been on mission but you know it took a little

while to get there yes oh because it's just me i'm the only one would have been on mission no i yeah you're right you never you never taken a boat over to france i flew places i mean horny do some real freaks like fly to thailand that's a 24 hour flight yeah what do you think is the longest anybody's ever gone to get laid on a mission yeah there needs to be historical standards right in the last 20 years cross-country driving in terms of like hours spent on a trip i think people have gone who overseas the you know the countries they never been to easily easily but i feel like cross-country if you're driving that might that probably takes longer if i'm going from main to l-a to to get some and I'm in a car

that's 40 hours in a car I've yeah for a very 40 hours in a car to a loved one is not that crazy that's pretty wild actually 40 hours that's pretty crazy that's pretty long that's pretty long to go anywhere well like you like you guys did it for work

let's like let's say you have a I went I would spend 40 hours a car to make life to football yes yeah we did that's your mission let's say you have a wife like you're not going to drive 40 hours to get back to your wife

we're not talking about that though just to get late we're talking about yeah we're talking about on missions man yeah a lot of people go to Thailand Billy's right people yeah that triple up

but that's what 18 hours that's because I'm sketched that shit what's the Thailand yeah yeah those are the dudes they have to go there because if they did anywhere else in the world they'd be thrown in jail

yeah what's the Thailand thing Am I missing something? There's a lot of prostitution, Thailand. Got it. Some. Sex trafficking. Yes. A lot of.

That's what I don't know what we have to talk about, but Jared from Subway, he, he used to go. He's a Thailand guy. Yeah. Was he? He was a Thailand guy. Yeah. Ladies or, and fellas, if you know someone who goes to Thailand frequently, biggest red flag, major red flag.

Is it? It's not an indictment. It's not an indictment. It's just something to be looking. Okay. People who go to Thailand once, right? I've heard. that they've got incredible beaches like some of the best beaches no yeah no no no people

go to thailand once it's probably normal but it's like oh they went to thailand and if you have no business like literal like i'm doing business deals or whatever in thailand and you all and you go to thailand multiple times it's just something to look into i'm not saying that they're guilty i'm just saying it's something i would say more than twice in a two year period yeah you go three times in two years yeah three times in two years that's pretty that's like red flags. I do know MMA fighters

who train out there for like kickboxing in Thai. Muita. So I think that counts as business there. They still look into it. I don't know.

Yeah, because you know, those guys are still the exchange rate is also, apparently the exchange rate is real good over there. So if you don't have a lot of money,

you can travel there on vacation, live like a king. Yeah, I do, like a lot of like English people go over there to do their like soul searching journey

or some shit. Yeah. Billy's actually Aryan you're you and Elon Musk have a lot in common remember that submarine guy the Elon was trying to like sit in his sub over to over to Thailand to find those kids that were trapped in the cave and there was a diver that was there trying to rescue the kids and he was like we don't need your fucking submarine dude where we've got this under control and then Elon called him a petto because he lived in Thailand kind of I mean he did get sued for it but like why are you in Thailand dude

I know enough people that have been to Thailand on vacation. Yeah, but how many times have they been to Thailand? Also, if you live in Australia and you go to Thailand on vacation, that's different. That's like going to Florida. Yeah, yeah, exactly. But if you grow up in Perth, Australia, and you go to Florida three times in a year. Yeah, you should be looked into also. What the fuck are you doing in Florida?

Yeah, I just really love Florida, mate. Yeah, it's fantastic. That guy's just smuggling drugs. Hey, man, that was a really good Australian accent. oi oi i yeah i'm done i'm not gonna try to follow it up you don't get shrimp on the bobby yeah if you travel halfway around the world three times in a year you're definitely getting laid in whatever place that is that's right at the very at the bare minimum right money like you could yeah but i mean if if you were you defending here if you went to thailand three times in two years and you never had but

you never had sex in thailand like i'm talking about you you didn't there's no girl that you know over there. There's no, uh, like, of age prostitution place that you go to in Thailand. Look, I've been to Duluth five times the past 18 months. Like, there's not, don't you're a cycle if you go to a place three times in two years that's halfway around the world and you didn't have sex once. So now are you saying they should have sex? No, no. I'm just saying like that's, you're definitely, that's why people travel, we'll travel halfway around the world. You're probably doing worse things if you're not having sex there. Probably, yes.

Yes. No disrespect to Thailand. Again, I've heard that you've got wonderful beaches. I've never been myself. Crazy cock fights. That's correct. Yeah. The huge...

Great food. Turns out in Kentucky, there recently was a huge cockfighting ring. Like, super organized crime. They try to bribe the federal agent 50K to look away and not investigate. It turns out like the cockfighting capital of America, like the national, like, chapter like organization is there and they like busted the whole thing it was on kentucky sports radio we got to bring that up next time yeah yeah so i mean turns out there's like you know like ten thousand dollar cocks fighting in that damn like it's still a ten thousand dollar bird yeah

i bet you want one are they those big those big roosters that go viral they're no but the thing is the fighting cocks they're like tall as fuck like they're like this tall but they're skinny to lean and mean All right Well Yeah Billy I also would like a report About cockfighting

I just You know what Dony and I are going to go to a cockfight Somewhere close inexpensive Just to find out And do some research You mean inexpensive

Like we're gonna We're gonna fund your trip to a cockfight I don't care how much Well it's content Don't hear how much you're spending Wait hold on We're not paying We're not covering

Me and Big T came up with that We were supposed to go to a cockfight Why did you how did you know Donnie I've been talking about cockfighting for a long time I ain't never heard that shit big T we got to beat these motherfuckers to it I'm fuck that All right let's go why we just all go we we don't have to compete to find the coolest cockfight I don't think I'm gonna go I'm going fuck that shit I'm gonna pass I love it on attending I heard they used to do the russian baths And I was I showed up then I figured out it was very different Advertisement

For the bath? Yeah, it's just it's men's only hour totally different how'd that work out where do we gamble on the chickens yeah oh shit where all the cocks oh I misread the advertisement uh all right well anything else we want to add to the waco thing government fucked up apart for the course I'm gonna I'm gonna put 80% Yeah, I'm going to put 80% on the government, 20% on the David. The David. The David, I mean, besides David Koresh, all those other people were innocent. Like, think about it.

They were probably brainwashed a lot of them to a certain extent by Koresh. Koresh, bad guy, bad human being, did not deserve to have the compound rated and 25 kids killed. Timothy McVeigh, bad guy. Yes, there's no butt. Bad guy. There's no butt on that one. I think we're just naming bad guys in this story. Ted Kaczynski

Not according to Amazon Okay, what did Jeff Bezos say about Ted Kaczyzinski again? I can go find it But it was a glowing review Of this brilliant author And then the very last sentence is like Ted Kaczynski is serving a life sentence

In federal prison for You know what's wild about the Ruby Ridge story Frickin, what's his face? Randy Weaver died just a year ago Oh really? Pretty sure it was of COVID wild he and his family got five like five million dollars and his daughter still doesn't

forgive the government yeah i probably wouldn't either either if they shot my mom yeah and i think that's the infant that was in her hands when she got shot oh no she got sniped yeah anyway it's nice all right uh anything else we want to get into today i have voicemails Yeah, we can do some voicemails. You know what? I think these voicemails, yeah, Billy? They made a mammoth meatball. Okay, the mammoth meat.

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I'm actually heading there soon. Yeah? I'm getting the full experience. Let's go. I'm actually pumped. Steam towel is legendary. I've had it on my calendar. Yep. Yep. So Mammoth Meatballs. Yeah. No, you really want to do... Do you want to do Australian? No, I want Russian. I want Comrade Billy to tell me about the Mammoth Meaths.

So top scientists at the Institution Laboratory. They replicated mammoth cells from frozen corpses found in tundra. We Russian scientists, we chop it off, we put it on the grill, we ate 10,000-year-old memoth meat very good we put salt very good tasting anyway we use the cells we replicate them in a bacteria lab

lab setting agar plate you know cells divide we put a special serum wake them up from you know tundra nap and then you make very large basically tumor tumor of mammoth cells

and now we made meatball we just don't know well to eat it We don't know if it's going to be bad for us We're too scared to do anything with it So they made a mammoth meatball Agar plate But they didn't eat it They're too scared

Who's scared? The scientists They should eat that shit It's also Basically they make it out They like this is how they You know lab grown meat How they like want us to eat meat in the future

Which is basically they make cells Replicate out of control and basically make a cancerous tumor. Eat bugs on nothing and be happy. And eat cancer tumors. That's what they did with the mammoth. Aryan, would you eat a mammoth meatball? I'd have to let somebody do it first.

I ain't going to be the first. I'm going to eat it. Yeah, why won't these guys eat it? Because they, the way they, I would eat. If they created it, they should have to eat it. I agree. I would make centuries old mammoth from the mammoth corpse,

the guy who went on Rogan actually did that um but they did it uh they did it how they make meat lab grown meat and the scientists don't you want to eat the lab grown mammoth meat so i mean if they don't eat the lab grown mammoth meat they probably still don't want to eat the lab grown cow meat like just because the cells are old isn't really my fear what if mammoth meat had the highest density of protein of any meat ever discovered and they could prove that They would be like this, you take one burger of this has 150 grams of protein in it. Holy shit. Yeah.

Would you eat it, Billy? Yeah, I'd eat it. Would you be the first? To eat the lab grown mammoth meat? Yeah. If it was like cool like that, yeah. Yeah. Like with the protein concentration.

Yeah. That's all it takes for you is. Sweet. Yeah. That's crazy. Imagine the gains. The games would be insane. That tells me that the Russian scientists, they're not, they're not strong.

They're not actually Russian. I just wanted to do the action. Okay. Where are they from? Sometimes you get into an accent mood when you like hear other people do like, what's the accent? So vow, V-O-W. We have a behavior change problem when it comes to meat consumption. Our goal, the goal to transition a few billion meat eaters away from eating conventional animal protein to eating things that can be produced in electrified systems.

Like these are the same type of ideology that makes us want to eat the crickets. It's all this ESG money that's rolling around from these VC firms probably under the World Economic Forum's command that are just given all these startups money to like try to make us eat the bugs and eat as they say what's the quote conventional animal protein to eating things that can be producing electrified systems. Let's be real though, Billy. You would eat the bugs if they had more protein. Yeah, but they don't. Yeah, but if they did, if they figured out a way to make like cricket. it's the most protein-dense food on earth, you would be housing the bugs.

You would love the bugs. No, I wouldn't love the bugs. I mean, you just said you would eat a 10,000-year-old mammoth if it had enough protein in it. Yeah, because... But you wouldn't eat bugs? Well, so if you look at bugs,

they have, like, stuff that we can't break down our digestive system. So you shit it out. It would be highly inflammatory. So you shit out the bug exoskeleton. We are not built to eat bugs. Well, but you would eat it. I don't know enough about the human digestive,

But he eats eat bugs, right? Yeah, but they don't eat, like, so much bugs. Grills are strong as fuck. Grills don't eat. Yeah, they do. They groom each other. They do they groom each other and pick off bugs off each other. Yeah, but I think the amount of bugs they eat.

You just don't want to be strong. I need to get back in the gym. Yeah, or you could just eat bugs occasionally. You'd be strong as shit. I haven't been allowed to work out. And then I started working out hard, and I broke out the hives. When are we going to figure out? this billy i don't know i western medicine has failed me what's it what someone said that

what are we looking at i don't know do we have any idea what the what the underlying causes is it still related to water to your i have no idea your detergent i'm feeling better who knows i bet you billy got into something he just won't tell us about i think i think i'm vaccine injured just kidding billy would be low key be pumped if it if it had something to do with the vaccine well think about how much like like how like if i put out a go fund me i could scam all the anti-vaccers like help me spread my story yeah billy used to never get any facts wrong on podcast until he got johnson and johnson yeah look what they've done to my boy i know all right you want to do some lord carry him yeah

Hey, what's happening guys? It's passed in Philly. Today's show, Aaron, spoke about, you know, giving out flowers to people because, you know, you can die tomorrow once you know what he appreciates about you. Anything that you guys haven't, you know, said to each other, what do you appreciate about each other? Let's spread the love a little bit. So many haven't said to somebody else in the show.

Favorite thing about them, what you got. Love you guys. Thank you. Flower Hour. Big T, I think you have amazing one-liners. Thank you. Yeah, I think everything that comes out of Big T's mouth is gold in one way or another. I think that Big T is unafraid to be himself, which is a rare quality to find in people.

So a lot of people care too much about what other people think of them. Not Big T. Big T is in terms of hit percentage. They are common Big T-dubs. we're trying to get you know get big tea on big tic talk trying to get him to spread the word he because his short form content is gold yeah what do you say that big tea will you tic talk uh billy wants me to tick to put any thought that pops into my head on the macro dosing tick to and i'm trying to talk him down to things that are relevant yeah you're trying to

But if, yeah, you're doing what Big T does, which is he, he's got a filter, which only allows him to spit gold. He doesn't want to put bad takes out there. I know. I just think that any blog he writes, you should just do a little five-second TikTok on. Any big teed-off moment he has? Mm-hmm. That's something that's relevant. Yeah.

Like, for example, just like. I think the blog idea is a good idea, too. Like, every blog that you write, I don't know how many blogs you write, but if you write a blog, do like a little funny summary about it. maybe it will drive traffic to it yep my blogs do very well on their own i think eras and don't but that wasn't a slight brother he doesn't want him to get too big it we're more asking we're pleading to help the macrodosing tic talk i think arian is a great golfer who shot three birdies i did have three birdies the other day aryan yeah i've been i've been i'm not too keen on golf but i've been seeing a lot of rumblings that you are really really really

good at golf for how long you've been golfing and like your scores you've been posting I wouldn't know I didn't be out there golfing man be on the lookout I do like I told there's one dude I was golfing with how long I've been golfing he's like get the fuck out of here he's like mad at me I'm like sorry man yeah oh bad you I mean you might hit the tour by this exponential learning be on the lookout for some possibility you know what I mean let me get into these 70s and you know what I'm saying go under

Let me go under bar. I'm talking long shit. I'll change that motherfucker sport. Can you jump straight to the senior tour? Why are you trying to put me in the scene? I'm 36,

man. Why are you trying to put me right in there? How long does it take for you to get into the senior tour? You might have to be 50 to be on the senior tour. I think in 14 years

the 100% could be on the senior tour. Golfers peak like in mid-30s like where I'm at. And so like there's plenty golfers on a tour who are like 40 years old. Yeah, but you're... Why are you trying to throw me in a... Way more athletic than those dudes.

That's what I'm saying, like, of the younger generation. You're definitely way more athletic than any of the 30-year-olds. I bet you on that tour. I bet you, of all the people on planet Earth, Arian might be able, if golf was a speed event, like I'm talking, you go out there on your own and you just are clocked from your tee off until the end of your round. Arian would probably be in the top 50 people in the entire world

at how fast you could finish around. to golf if you hit your t shot and then like sprinted down the fairway and then what is a dude doesn't met i watched the i watched a youtube player do that he probably does yeah i think he does i watch there's some act i watched a video of a dude that did that he carries like three or four clubs his bag is like tiny it's like small little bag that has the three clubs and i think it's like a driver a six iron a chipper and a putter something like that and he only has like three or four clubs and he just he hits and he sprints and i think he finished in like i don't know 30 minutes or something like that. It was wild. Yeah, I bet you could, I bet you would be right up there.

I would, I would want to see that. Actually, we should do. I would not do that though. Yeah, I wouldn't do that. Yeah. Why not? That's very labor intensive. I don't, I don't run anymore. Like, but what if it was like if you did, if you did a video just to see how fast Arian Foster could complete around the golf, I guarantee you that does numbers. That might be enticing if we film it as shit. I'm not going to do that shit for fun. Yeah. We'd have to have somebody. like on a segue behind you filming I mean

a whole six I'm gas probably I would have to train for that shit like I would have to I would absolutely have to that shit yeah Mark Wahlberg says he can play 18 holes in an hour because he just sprints does he drive he's probably trying to work out oh he might no I think he's running

he says he uses it as his cardio that's hilarious that makes a lot of sense and he goes at like six in the morning just before everyone and just sprints the whole course I would love to see. It's crazy because it's like six miles. It's not easy.

I totally understand. Like, because when I think of golf, I just think of it like, I would do it recreationally, but I'm not good enough to like spend the time to get there to have fun doing it recreationally. But like as a workout, it's like a waste of time you could be working out. Yeah, the average PGA tour course is just over four miles. Okay. So I don't know if that's like T to green like as the crow flies.

to a hole it's probably a little bit longer than that if you have to take into account your shots that you hit and have to deviate from that straightest possible shortest path yeah so let's say five to be safe probably yeah five and a half five miles you could Mark Wahlberg

there's no chance that Mark Wahlberg he's got short legs does five miles and golfs in an hour actually that's what he says I don't know if he's like actually timed it. I guess it might be possible because he could probably run five

miles in, I'm going to guess, 40, he's in pretty good shape. Probably like 43 minutes. He's carrying golf clubs with him. Probably someone else carrying them. On a cart. He said we'd hit a drive, then sprint to the

ball, then the caddies would come with the carts and give him his next club. Okay, so he doesn't have the clubs. Yeah. That, yeah. he could definitely you know what he might be able to do it if you got somebody else carrying your clubs driving them around the sprint thing i'm not convinced stuff yeah sprint it would be a jog it'd be a fast jog for five miles yeah or like a run like he's running yeah yeah like at a nice pace yeah it starts to slow down five miles is a long time it is i get bored if i try to run that long that's what i'm

There's like the runner's high, though. I've experienced that before where you run and you get to the point where you just keep going. You push through that threshold and you feel like you could run forever. I've gotten to that point. Oh, guys. I'll mention this after your voicemails. Let's do some more flowers.

Mad Dog is amazing. Wait, hold on. I think we should, everybody should do everybody. You know what I'm saying? So we ain't just, we're going to start with, uh, uh, uh, PFT because, I mean, you already started with Big T and you did me. And so you finished, finish and then we'll go around. Okay.

Really put me on the spot. Everybody's going to compliment everybody. Wait, that's what the dude said. Are we compliment? I agree with this segment. I like this guy's the cut of this guy's jib because I spend more time with y'all and I do my family. No, when you think about it, we spend a lot of like physical time talking together. That's what I'm saying.

I talk to you guys more than my parents. Whoa. I compliment the Big T and then Arian. I think maybe it would be easier if I complimented everybody else. And then we move on. Yeah, it's about Billy. Yeah. No, but I'm just thinking of the fastest way to do this.

Yeah, Billy, go. Okay, Mad Dog's amazing at planning the social and keeping me on task. Thank you. PFT is awesome and a great mentor. Aw. I'm a mentor. That was nice. McKenzie is very efficient at her job

and getting the YouTube up on time she nails that one yep good job Billy sweet you did a good job complimenting people thank you that's my flowers for Billy are we got we're all going to say yes bro that was his voice but I

I am back in this guy this is that's a great I like that okay McKinsey's very funny her lip syncing videos are awesome and she's got a great laugh mad dog is a boss that thinks nine steps in advance on a lot of things that I don't ever think about. And she's very good at holding us all accountable despite the fact that she just stepped into this role.

Like, when did you start on the show? Almost two years ago. Yeah. So, but you were an intern at that time. I've been full time for like 15 months. Now she basically just runs the show on all of us. So great job, everyone. Thanks, guys.

Do you compliment Billy? Billy You said it was good Compliments That's a fine Yeah Billy's great He's the best at compliments The best

Thank you Argo Um PFT I think you are Actually brilliant I think you're very intelligent I don't think you sell that side of yourself This is kind of a slight

But I think you're You're actually one of the smarter people I know And it's fun to be around you Billy I think your inquisitiveness is is absolutely an asset and i know we ride you light on a show but i think that's really dope to be that young and to be that uh inquisitive about the world around you because a lot of people get stuck in a bubble so uh you're being interested is also way more uh i think beneficial

to being interesting uh big t um i think me and you don't really align uh politically which is a vast amount of things, but I think the genuineness of who you are as a human, like, overrised that. So, like, I just really like you as a human. You know what I mean? And that's rare because I don't really like that side of the aisle like that. It's also opened me up to be more empathetic to that side of the aisle, just interacting with you. And so just who you are is like a genuine human being. It allows me to be more empathetic towards people I don't agree with and that has absolutely been beneficial

in my life. Mad Dog, I think you're just a joy. I think you've brought so much to the show. I think that you have like I think Billy said that you keep everybody or PFT said you keep everybody on task

and you just, you micromanage everything. Not micromanage. You manage everything in a very efficient way. I mean, just the sweetheart. It's kind and joyful to be around. I just I just love you to death. And McKenzie, I don't know you. You guys have never met.

We've never met. And so, like, I'm interested in getting to know you. I'm sure we're going to spend a lot of time, you know, getting to know each other. But from what I know, everybody say you'd be doing your thing. So keep doing your thing. She do be doing your thing. Can I go? Yeah.

PFT's a very nice boss to have as my first boss in the real world and very, very, very funny. Billy is very excited about everything which I appreciate and I can always come to him with an idea and you will be just as excited if not more than me even though sometimes it's hard to get you there. Big T. Everyone, including me, thinks you are one of the funniest people at this company. I would go as far as saying and very good at trivia. Thank you. You are. Mackenzie is one of my closest friends at this company and she is very nice and very good at her job and I'm very happy that she's with us. And she's very fun. And Arian is also very helpful in being very encouraging towards me and is also giving people flowers

all the time. And I appreciate that. And you're all very nice to me as a girl. PFT has helped me a lot in my job. I appreciate that. But also kind of just along the lines and what everyone else said, you're hesitant to say how smart you are, but like the things you say, like the, nobody even noticed it today. I don't think when you said 6-9-1-1, when you were talking about, like, who to call when someone fucks your wife, like you say shit like that, and I don't even hear it. And then 45 seconds later, I'm like, that was fucking insanely funny. Billy, I also appreciate your enthusiasm for everything. You're always, very excited to do things.

Arian, I echo what you said as well. I appreciate your passion for your convictions. And I think you and I like, like each other a lot in general. Madeline is very good at helping us with things that we wouldn't do otherwise. Like, I think if it was up to us, this podcast would exist just in this room. and then we it uh a lot of other things that need to happen probably wouldn't happen and mackenzie i also don't know very well either but i like mackenzie's vibe she just has good vibes i love that mackenzie's a trooper she helped dukes and i get back from

philadelphia once yeah that's uh what was that like it was actually billy was being very responsible like he was determined to get back here we were literally just trapped in a parking garage um but it was fun it was a good experience i feel like when it's up to it like when dukes and billy are together like billy will take the more responsible role yeah i feel like it's not that hard though yeah when you're with dukes to me no which i love dukes to bar is low there it's crazy but dukes brings out the best of me that is crazy so i realized someone has to be the adult. Billy is a good road trip guy for sure. I'll add on to his compliment compliment. Billy is a great road trip partner to have. I don't think that

there's anybody at this company that I would necessarily and would have enjoyed the cross-country trip to the Super Bowl with more than Billy because he is, he's curious. He's always down. He's down to ride. Sweet. That was fun, guys. Thank you guys. All right. I think that's a good way to end it. Yeah. That's a good voicemail. Positiveity. We all slay. We all slay. Great job, everyone. And I love the listeners Yeah, let's compliment the listeners You have great taste in podcasts

Yeah You guys are the reason we can pay rent Which is very nice for that No we've got one of you motherfuckers Is a murderer so stop doing that Yeah I'm just imagining that one Macrodotian who's said there

Who's like justice committed a murder We're just like We know you did it What you should do is go Like turn your yourself in it's going to be no one else has to get hurt just please we want you to do that there are probably people like who have done terrible awful things while this show was playing do you think do you think anyone's i mean when you think about it like white color crimes not a

a not insignificant amount of people listen to the show so like the odds are something really terrible they're traveling to tithel yeah on the plane to thailand do you think anyone's gotten in a car accident while this has been playing. Oh, I don't want to think about that. Oh, yeah, for sure. That's morbid. Not a bad one. I mean, if any, but like a fender bender.

Probably when Billy mispronounces something. Yeah. Yeah. You're off the road. People got in car accidents when Billy said to Klaus. Oh, yeah. For sure. What was the one he said the other day?

Ocalaids. Ocalaids. Yeah, when someone said accolades. He said scotch free. Yeah, somebody drove into a tree. A lot of people got scotch, thought it was scotch free. That was the first time I'd heard anyone say, that in my life.

Actually, there's people who agreed with me because they thought it didn't stick. Scotch-free didn't stick. Of all the explanations, that one at least does kind of make sense. Because what does Scott free mean? Is that just like an anti-Scott? I looked it up when you said it actually. It was like a Scandinavian word. It was like S-K-A-T.

And then that became Scott-free. Fascinating. Scott meant like, I'd have to look it up again. Problem? But, yeah, it meant, um. Anyway, it was something like that. Back when there was anti-Scottish sentiment. Scott did not apply. Oh, it was a tax.

So if you didn't pay that, you were Scott-free. That's kind of cool. All right. Well, we'll see you guys on Tuesday. We're going to everyone bring a Duluth fact. Are you going to be here? I will. Are you going to be online?

I'm going to be. So, little look ahead, going down to Houston. for the final four Ari and I are going to hang out might be putting out some content this weekend or we'll be recording the content you're not going to say what it is

but we'll link up we'll build and then I'm going to be in Lake Charles Louisiana on Monday and we're going to be watching the final four or the championship game there and then I'll come back on Tuesday I believe so Monday

I can zoom in if we want to do Duluth fact episode. I've got some in the chamber. Everyone needs to bring at least one Duluth fact because we're going to learn everything there is to know about Duluth, Minnesota. I'm like so in on Duluth. We're going to start.

Mad Dog, I don't want you to empty the chamber. I want you to... I want you to give one Duluth fact. And everybody will have one Duluth fact. I'm so in on Duluth now. All right, cool. Bring two in case somebody uses you. Yeah, good point.

Well, you can have the clip. You can bring your arsenal. I can bring the clip and then whatever. Whatever I unload, I got the banana clip. Okay, well, only one, Billy. We're sniping, no, we're not shotgunning, okay? This isn't a siege. Yes.

Yes. I was good. That was nice. So, yeah, so I'll be on the show on Monday, provided that I don't know what my exact schedule is that day, but unless, as long as nothing pops up, I will be on the show. No one's hooping. All right.

Well, we will see you guys next week. Love you guys.