Macrodosing: Arian Foster and PFT Commenter - Tyler Carnevale's Journey To The Top of Mt. Everest

Episode Date: May 26, 2023

Billy, Donnie and PFT are joined by Tyler Carnevale to discuss his trip up Mount Everest.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/macrodosing

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To take 15% off your order must be 21 years or older to purchase. Please use responsibly. What's up, guys? Welcome back to extra dosing. We got Donnie back from his big trip to the Himalayas. And with him is Tyler Carnivalet at Tyler Carnivali on Instagram to talk about their trip what they got up to like let's just get into it uh why did you let me try that mad honey if it did what it did to on the video that i can't believe you let me do that because i knew the amount

that you were taking was a safe amount but what if i reacted differently that was terrifying so because when i took the mad honey i did it with one of tyler's friends and he only had two spoonfuls and he was fine too like he was feeling it but he fell asleep and he was fine and he was fine It was just that third teaspoon that really fucked me over. So I knew if you just had one, you'd be fine. Yeah, but like, also, why did you take the third tea? Like, you've taken edibles before, right? I think I just like started to get a little worried that it was going to be a dud of a video after two because I wasn't feeling anything.

But I think if I had just waited an hour and a half, I would have started to feel those two. So, yeah, no, I mean, a very dumb move. whenever trying a new drug, you got to wait at least an hour and a half before taking any more. Now, we're also with Michelangelo, a cameraman, for the whole experience. Michelangelo, when he's puking on the floor and like tweaking out, like what's going through your minds? Like, are you about to call 911 for? I was preoccupied recycling puke buckets. I think Donnie filled up about four and I was kind of just shuffling them between Donnie's mouth and the toilet um but there were probably a couple of hours where donnie was laying in bed

asking me to find cures on the internet uh and i did not find any at one point he did ask me to call the hospital but uh i did not get in touch with them eventually he felt did you even try to call the hospital no no i don't know i wouldn't have nowhere to start with the area codes and the country codes and stuff but uh luckily yeah yeah were you like paralyzed um i i i just like like every time i moved would just be a crazy head rush and so i was just like most comfortable lying on the floor puking yeah so for those uh if you haven't checked it out yet check out donnie's video on trying mad honey in the himalayas but it was insane i mean yeah like to think about it Did you trip when you were on it?

No, I did not trip at all. It was all just body sensations. You said it was like nicotine. Was that? No, I said it was like my body hit a menthol cigarette because you just had at first like a really strong cooling sensation flow through your body. And then it turned into a warm sensation. So I compared it to taking a bath and icy hot because you're getting waves of cold and then waves of warm. Jeez.

Yeah. How were you the next day? The next day, I felt fine, although I would still get, like, random waves through my arm the following day. Like, I was, but I did say I felt, I felt like kind of cleansed. I mean, it is it. So I was like Googling it after that. Like, it's a neurotoxin. Yeah.

Yes. It is. Take it for fun. Neurotoxes. Dolly, have you had better experiences with the, with the bad honey? I didn't try it. Like, when they, I wanted to. And when they did it, I was, I think it was asleep for like 18 hours straight.

and I missed it. Yeah. Probably for the best. But I think it's wild. Like Joe Rogan, he has some in his podcast studio and he'll just like hand a spoonful out to random guests. And it's like, he needs to be careful with that too. Like imagine if like I finally got invited on Joe Rogan and then like I do three, like three teaspoons.

He's just like, ruin the opportunity by puking on the floor. One was nice. I would do it again if I, if I like, now that I'm no. how I'd react to it. When you say nice, what does that mean? I was giggly. Oh, really? Yeah, I just started like, I just like, I was trying to, my mind and I could start like, I couldn't formulate thoughts when it first hit me. And I like, if you go back to the podcast where I did it, I just like stopped talking for a while and I just start giggling. And then like, I'm like, mad dog, you talk. And I'm just like trying to look like a bit like normal, like act normal, act normal. But it was, it was fun. But so Tyler, um,

Yeah. You made it to base camp. I made the base camp. Tyler made it all the way up to the summit. And you're you're coming straight here from the summit. Like you climbed it a week ago or? Yeah. Summitted May 16th. So like, yeah, matter of days. Wow. For those on audio, Tyler kind of has a weird tan almost. Yeah. Which I'm guessing is that like from like wind and frostbite? Sun, wind frostbite. Basically the whole top layer of my skin on my face froze off. Jesus. Christ. Was it like, what was the hardest part? The altitude, the cold, you know, the exercise and the climbing, like which factor was the worst out of those three? It's going to be different for everybody, but for me personally, it was a cold by far, not even the question. Like, once you're on the mountain outside of base camp and you start going up, it's like in the negatives every single night. So into the morning. So when you wake up, you're kind of nice and warm in the sleeping. bag, the only part of your body that's exposed is your face and the condensation from your breath freezes around the rim. So like you have snow and frost on your face. And the last thing you want to do is fucking get out of the sleeping bag. So the hardest part is to like find the motivation to get out every morning and you're doing that for days on end. And it's just brutal. So cold. But on cold gear as soon as you get out, it's not fun. Why don't you put your head in the sleeping

bag? You got to breathe. Yeah. Yeah, I feel like would you take your clothes off at the end of the day to get in the sleeping bag? For camp one and camp two, I would. I would get down to like my base layer. But once you're at camp three, you just keep your summit suit on and get right in with that. Yeah. It's just so cold. Yeah.

I couldn't imagine taking the summit suit off. Does it go base camp, camp one, camp two? Yeah. Okay. Camp three, camp four, summit. Wow. So what's the process like when you're going up and down, up and down? Like, that's something that I thought once you got to like you just go up.

up once, but it's a whole process. So when you go up twice, essentially, the first time is for acclimatization. It's called your first rotation. You go up from base camp to camp one, spend a night to camp two, spend a night, and then come all the way back down. And that's just get your body used to less oxygen. And then come back down, take a rest either at most people go to Lucla, which is a little town in the mountains further down, or you go to Kathmandu, spend a few days, come back, and

then you wait for a good weather window, and that's when you go up for the summit push. So you go up and down twice. Whoa. Did you see a Yeti? I didn't see a live Yeti, but we went into this monastery, this temple on our way up, and they had what they called a Yeti skull and hand in this little box that were religious objects. Oh, wow. Oh, shit.

I walked into that monastery and did not know there was a Yeti skull in there. Damn. It was in a little wooden box. I think they usually have the door up, but they were showing us. Oh, wow. And I mean, I don't know where they would have gotten in because it was a huge skeletal hand. Wait, whoa. Yeah.

So they show it, do they let you take pictures? No, you can't take pictures inside. What did the skull look like? It looked like an orangutan skull. Like if you were to like kill like a great ape, like your gorilla or something, it was like that with a little bit of hair on. Wait, now we're going to get into specifics. All right.

So, so. I saw signs for this. Did it have a large cranial crest? Yes, it did. Like a very large one. It did. Yes. I know what you're talking about.

More gorilla. More gorilla. More gorilla. More gorilla, huh, because orangutans, I don't think have, we're going to get in some skull talk. Did it have large incisors? It was only like the top of the skull, so you didn't see any of the jaw or anything. Okay. But it was super convincing.

Like, I would love to poo-poo it, so this is bullshit, but it looked like a real skull of a Yeti. If anything, it's, is this it? That's exactly what it looked like. Yeah, yeah, no, because I think this is a photo of it. yeah oh so it's a it's the top of a head is that is that bone or is that hair it's like skull with some hair on it yeah whoa because yeah the it could it could it could be gigantopithecus it could be yeah i mean i sort of think the myth of the yeti started with people just having hallucinations like from the altitude when you're like up on a mound and you're and you're

suffering from altitude sickness you do like he had a friend who started to hear things and see things and like yeah yeah you altitude it is from the stories we had a little bit before the show you're saying it affects everyone differently what's like some of the strangest aberrations that occurred amongst groups when you were up there uh actually my good friend jacob who i was climbing with he summoned the day after me um he had been up in a death zone for longer than me and that's when this stuff starts to happen but he heard the voices of friends behind him that weren't there. He saw his family that rocks morphing into the faces

and shapes of his family members like a psychedelic trip. People like people's personalities change like you get up to Camp 4 and you could be a totally different person up there than you would be at sea level

like your whole personality changes you don't even recognize yourself anymore. It's pretty well for better for worse like was there some like stone like super serious people that got up there and started getting goofy? that I saw, but I'm sure it happens. Like, is it like people get more fun? Yeah, I think someone we were with said, like, he called his wife and was making

absolutely no sense. Like, was that? Yeah, I think it was someone from the top of a mountain, like, said that he called someone and she was like, you, like, what you were saying to me on the phone, like, wasn't making any sense, yeah. Yeah. Actually, a friend, I won't say who, but she said that she, uh, I forget what mountain she was climbing, but she wasn't using oxygen. She just all of a sudden blinked and was in a desert and her

Sherpa slash guy turned into five dancing women. It's like, it's no joke up there. Yeah. That sounds sweet. But what if it's like you're traveling at that point, you're like traveling to different dimensions? It's like a gateway. It's like a portal. I can be because like Everest is like a portal to another dimension. And you just can sneak peeks when you're up there. It's possible. Yeah, that'd be a a solid place to put a portal if you didn't want a lot of people going through I was a this study came out that people who breathe less oxygens live longer I just saw that yeah people in states of hypoxia which I think's a little bit of the whole altitude thing there's not as much oxygen of course and like they live longer so I mean we've all heard the stories of the Gurkhas uh in how

they have like pretty amazing health and their ability to travel to different uh altitudes and just have amazing stamina because they're like red blood cells carry more oxygen? The Sherpas. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Sure. What was the wildlife like up there? Like what was your last signs of life when the mountain just turned into like a different planet? Uh, so I saw some mountain goats. I saw mountain goats, birds were up at base camp, a lot of dogs, but I think up at base camp there were only birds that you'd see, right?

There were, there's also this animal called, uh, it's pika or pika. It's like this little rodent type looking thing. Up in the rocks, but like that's the, to the extent that you would see anything. Yeah. Like when you're pulling into the base camp, there's no more vegetation of any type. Um, it's just rocks. I will say that you get to close to the summit, like above camp four and we still saw little birds flying around like landing and in this on the summit. Yeah.

What's the summit like? Like is it, is it a place? Is there anything up? Like, is there any like, is there a bench? Yeah. There's a snow bench that people have kind of like carved out. And a bunch of flags and mementos and, like, people bring statues up and banners. So you get up to the top and you see all these prayer flags and stuff that's been there for probably years.

Wow. And, of course, the bodies. And the bodies, yeah. Yeah, I saw at least four or five bodies. What's that like when you're up there? Surreal. Like, you know you're going to run into them, but you don't really, it doesn't really, can't prepare for actually seeing like a dead, almost mummified body up there.

And it's like someone who died in the 90s looking. like they died yesterday, just everything's super well preserved. Oh, man. Are there any like faces facing where you can see? Oh, that's terrifying. And you have to like literally walk over them, past them. Like, yeah. The path is so narrow.

Yeah, I would say like inches away. Except on Losey, the fourth highest mountain, which Aldo climbed, uh, there's a body up there that you literally the ropes are running right over the body. So you're stepping over the body and his face is white. It looks like a kind of a wax figure. Is it face? seeing you. Yeah. It's sitting there like this waiting for you. It's like a horror. That's like a horror movie ride. Yeah. Like theme park. Tyler actually came across someone close to the summit

who is on the verge, the verge of death and NIMS luckily was able to save him. What was their predicament? What was they? Highest altitude rescue in history. So props to NIMS, NIMS is fucking incredible. He was a Nepali army captain. He went up with a team and I think they turned back and he wanted to summit, he went and summited, was coming back down and just kind of collapsed. And they were doing this the day before we went up. So he'd been sitting there for six plus hours, just in the snow rocking back and forth.

I thought it was a dead body from afar and then you get closer and it's just a guy kind of comatose with no gloves on. And this is like, he'll probably die because we'll get him down to Camp 4, but helicopters can't get that high and rescue him. And he'll definitely lose his hands. And he wound up being fine. They got him down to Cap Mendoo.

Oh, so that was the highest ever? Yeah, highest ever. Jesus. And you watch Nims's documentary and they do a couple of rescues and it's like, holy shit, that's amazing. And then I witnessed the highest ever and it was just surreal. So they always say that the helicopters can't get that high. But didn't someone land on the top of the...

Yeah, it was a highly modified. French guy back in 2013 or 2003. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah. Super highly modified custom helicopter to be able to do that. It has to be perfect conditions. But like normal helicopter.

can't even get close. Like, even flying from base camp down to lower towns, we had to take seats out, bags out. You can only bring like two people in the helicopter because of the weight, just so much less air pressure that it can't generate lift. That's insane. So, I mean, I heard all these stories about people go up, but they, on the way down, they, that's when a lot of the deaths happen.

Most people die on the way down. Because they don't have the same drive going down as they do going up because it's like they summit and it's like this big, I don't know, you've done it. I've just read about it. Wait, when you're going up and you see the summit, you get like this rush of adrenaline. You're like fucking booking it. And then on the way down, it's kind of like you just get this just, you're drained. And I could see how a lot of people die.

You kind of just like fuck this. At so many points, I wanted to sit down and take a 30 minute nap, but that's how you die. Yeah. I mean, it's like such a false finish line because you're only halfway done. Yeah. But you said like that last push, it took maybe seven hours to get to the summit, but only two hours to get down. Yeah. On the way down, you can just, yeah, fly.

Was your guide, like, convincing you not to take that 30 minute nap or you knew in your own head? I knew my own head. But, like, because when we were coming up to camp three, I'd sat down just to rest. The next thing you know, I wake up and it's like an hour is past. And I'm like, if this happens up higher, I'll die. Yeah, that's scary. Mentally, how did you prepare? Because, like, I would, I would be thinking of just the summit, the summit, the summit, the summit, the summit,

just got to get to the summit, just got to get to the summit and then die on the way down. I think NIMS talks about extreme discipline, and I think that's the most important thing, because like the second your gear and stuff gets out of order or the second you start getting lazy and not want to get out of your sleeping bag at certain times, that's when shit will go south. So if you just stay disciplined, stay super tight on like all the administration, administrative stuff, you're good. What was the shape of the climbers going up? Like, I know there's a, I'm a lot of people have said that Everest is like there's been trash. There's so many people a year that go and do it. But like they, I'm, you know, you got to understand that a lot of people from all over the world, that's the highest peak and they're trying to get there. But like they make it sound like anyone can do it nowadays.

Like how much training? Like we talked about people dying. But like, were there people in your group that you're like, I don't think they're going to make it? Yeah, for sure. Not just in our group, but like you look at people across space camp and you're like, how is someone like that going to summit? But honestly, I think the majority of it is mental. Like if you have the drive and you're willing to, uh, you know, exert the energy needed, you, you have it. Wow.

Yeah. Like there was one person in our group and she was not planning on climbing Everest. She was going to climb a much smaller mountain, but a spot opened up on the Everest trek. Uh, and so she was like, all right, I guess I'll just go for Everest. And she was just like, she was a pole dance instructor back in Romania, I believe. Germany um okay all right well i thought german in roman no she was from romania and lives in germany oh okay and lives in germany teaching pole dance classes not the stripping variety just like the exercise class um yeah and she was just like at the very last minute she's like all right if

you're saying i can climb everest i'm just i'm just gonna go for it and she's summited wow and that's someone who if i no offense to her but if i saw her before summoning i'd be like i don't know if she could make it because she'd never even climbed a mountain before but she did it wow that was like the craziest part of the entire trip for me is is knowing that she had no intention of climbing Mount Everest and then a month later she was at the top of it wow I couldn't believe I tried to convince these guys to climb I know I we didn't have the funds at the moment but I don't know I could I could work something out I could find a sponsor for next year still still yeah I think for me it would just be the cold, like my, uh, my toes lose circulation very easily and my fingers as

well. So the, yeah, that, that would just be my main concern of my, like losing my big toe. What's your, uh, how bad, I'm scared at heights. Oh, that's, that's not good. Are the heights? Are the heights like, the heights are bad? Yeah. And you wouldn't think they are because a mountain is like a big wide thing. But like, there are points when you're getting close to the summit of Everest where you look down to your left, kind of near the Hillary step section, and you can see Camp 2, which is thousands of feet below you. And people die all the time from sliding down the side of the mountain. I can't do Everest. I can't do it. So are there any just like straight drops or it would mostly just be like a slide? Straight drop. I mean, it would be a slide

for maybe a little bit, but then you would just. Yeah. One of the people we were with was telling me that her friend a few years ago was in that section, clipped onto the fixed line and she was talking to this Lithuanian guy right there, which is totally normal. People pass. People are all climbing. She looked away for a second, turned back, and he had slid down. Dived. Oh, my God. And there's probably a, like a trench filled with just un, like frozen dead bodies at the bottom. Like a mass grave. Jesus. That's terrible. A slide into crevasses all the time. You know, I'm fine. It's a, it's a, it's a, it's a genetic survival skill that I'm scared of heights, kept probably my ancestors alive, like got passed down.

All the ones were scared of heights didn't die. So you know what? I'm fine with not going Everest. When you were on the summit, you were unclipped from the fixed ropes, right? No, there's actually a rope right at the top that we clipped into. Okay.

Like, yeah. If you weren't clipped on to that, you could like misstep on the summit too and fall down, right? Yeah, that's fine. And the winds were so strong. It was 50 to 70 mile per hour winds. To the point where your body is getting blown into the side of the And you're exhausted.

And you're, yeah, yeah, that's no joke. It was, there were some points where I got pretty nervous. How much climbing experience do you have? Before Everest, I, uh, starting in 2021, I went down to Ecuador with my girlfriend at the time. And we, it was the only country that was letting Americans in during, uh, the pandemic. And we climbed Cotapaxi and Chimboraza, which are both around 20,000 feet. Um, and I caught the bug. I was like, this is awesome.

I was just in Antarctica a few months ago and did, um, Mount Vincent, the tallest peak there. and then I met Nims and Qatar through some mutual friends and he's like climb Everest so now I got to ask you about Antarctica yeah because you guys have done an episode on that right yeah it is a wild place now do you think that there could be a civilization living underneath there yes like hollow yes one do you do you think there's an ice wall yes you've been there you think there's nice wall seen it you've seen the ice wall I've seen it we had a guy on who crossed Antarctica and all the flat earthers

like think that he's in on it like that they just bought him out and they're like he didn't actually cross he found the ice wall but he's being quiet because they made him a billionaire yeah that was a guitar Colin O'Grady yeah Colin O'Grady yeah you know Colin O'Grady so he's actually been on this podcast oh really

yeah awesome yeah and they're like they're like yeah he's part of the conspiracy they bought him out I know Colin well at this point I think he is I agree with him yeah he's told he's told me to see I won't I won't expose him but yeah I know what's going on yeah so alien base underneath the ice I think so yeah I mean Nazi base Nazis could be Nazis yeah Hitler

New Schwabin land yeah they all escaped there yeah signed an NDA when I left but there there are there are some crazy things down there yeah I would love to get down there so we'll have to we'll have to start I think the season is a very high chance that we'll go down okay what what is the the mountain like down there um super cold it's like way lower I think it's 16,040 feet, I think. So, like, not that high, but just super remote. Like, Antarctica's a giant desert. Yeah. And

just in the middle of nowhere, go out, hike up. Um, atmosphere is thinner. So you actually do get some altitude sickness. I got some bad headaches. But, uh, just so cold, man. So cold. Jeez, I can't imagine. I mean, I'm looking at your face. I can tell where your skin's like fried off and what like lasted

after getting like windburn. Because you got to tan some places, but you're pale. Oh, you should, here. Let me show you this picture. You should have seen my face, like, right after I summited. You looked like... Oh, my God. You looked like a raccoon except the raccoon was white and red. You had a look that, like, some of the Sherpas who have just been climbing that mountain for years, like, you kind of looked similar to that.

Yeah. Their skin just gets kind of like wind burnt and discolored, yeah. Frost bit a bit. But I think, yeah, I had an oxygen mask on, and obviously there's condensation from your breath. And it froze to my face and I pulled it off for a second at the summit. And it ripped skin off and I was like, fuck, I'm going to have a couple of stars. Jesus. What was, what was, were you guys drinking?

Um, so I, yeah, we, we stay warm. Like, so we drank at base camp. Now I can't speak for Tyler, but I, I don't think people drink past base camp. Uh, if you watch 14 peaks, NIMS take shots up at the summits. I mean, NIMS is a special breed, but, uh, there was alcohol, uh, with other climates. up at Camp 2 and stuff. Yeah, I mean, I feel like it'd be nice just to keep warm, I guess, in a sense. But also, it's kind of like a false sense of warmness.

Yeah, and you're groggy in the morning. I wouldn't recommend it, but I think people do. I would definitely just keep something on me just in case, like, I'm about to go. Just like have. Oh, yeah. A little flask. But it might also just like, like, get you going and get you to the last point. Yeah.

Well, we talked about meth and speed. That could have been good. Well, Vasco, constrictor, no one. Yeah, but if you know you're going to die anyway, just for that last little summit push. Well, you know what? There was that finish dude that ate like, like, 10. The guy in the skis? Yeah.

He like, he like took all the meth and he went all the way. He like didn't sleep for 10 days and he got home. Yeah, you lost like a ton of weight. That might be. All the way up Mount Everest. Oh, no, this was like. In World War II. Yeah, World War II.

Oh, okay. He took all the purvitin, which was like. Yeah. The finish were like, like, they, they, they, they, they. It's very unclear. They don't really want you to know which side they were on. If you, like, look back, like, you're trying to figure out, like, because the Finnish, like, also helped invade Leningrad, like, with the Nazis,

but then they also, like, fought the Nazis, and they don't, it's very ambiguous, and they also want to keep it ambiguous, but I think there's something there. Like, why did this guy have the Nazi meth on him? Like, I bet there's, like, differing, switching sides, just preserving, whatever. But he's 10 days, no sleep on skis, like, traveled. hundreds of miles. Damn.

So, I mean, I guess if you had that much and you just turn into like a winter, like a zombie, like a white walker. I knew you were going to die at the top. Just wanted to get up there. Yeah. Maybe I'll try that next season. Yeah, no, I think some climbers do use Adderall

or things like that. But I feel like it's just a one way to frostbite because it literally restricts your... Actually, Donnie, I didn't tell you this, but Donnie gave me an Adderall night. Oh, yeah. Worst decision I've ever made in my life. When did you take it?

I think I had a few, so I was like, you know what? I'll test this on my first rotation. So I took it at base camp as we were going through Kumbu. I hope NIMS doesn't hear this. He'd kill me. And I just felt like shit. Like I threw up at Camp 2. I couldn't eat so like I'm losing energy.

It's not good. All right. That is not my fault. He demanded one. Is it, were you Adderall nauseous where it was just like a stomach thing? Yeah. Like the chemical. For sure.

And like you're exerting so much energy and that mixed with having taken out of it's like fuck but did like the the if you could stomach it if you took it with like food and like planned do you think it would have helped or i think it just maybe it affects me differently than other people but it's yeah i don't think you need it no no no no a lot of energy did you get relaxed he took that that's like that happens to a lot of people they take adderall for the first time and they realize oh i have ADHD like i'm like i'm chilling like it's the first something I've felt normal my entire life. Wait, this is what normal people?

Yeah. But yeah, you had done a lot of like high endurance things in the past. Like you ran that in a hundred and fifty mile marathon. Yeah. Right? Yeah. So I think that helps. Sorry.

Where was that? That was in the Sahara Desert in Morocco. Oh, fuck. Yeah. That was insane. 150 miles and like 100 plus degree temperatures. You know what's crazy. The first humans to get out of Africa had to cross.

the Sahara. Well, long, long time ago, the Sahara wasn't the Sahara. It was actually pretty green. Yeah. I got to check out the timing on that. But that's insane. What was it like crossing through there? Was it barren or were you running to, did you run into any like nomadic peoples? You start, you kind of like fly or drive into this village. And then once you're in the desert, it's totally barren. Nothing. It's either like kind of flat, rocky barreness or super steep sand dunes that are like, um, the sand is as fine as talc powder, like baby powder. It's insane.

Did you accidentally inhale it? Uh, probably. Being so fine. Got him my shoes, got him. It was terrible. Huh. Any wildlife out there while you're all running? Birds, but that was pretty much it.

I don't think anything gets right out there. When we were on the track up to base camp, like we were told to always wear our buff, which is just like the thing that goes over your nose and mouth because there's so much dust in the valley. It's very dry and that if you're just inhaling that for, you know, two days in a row, you'll develop a cough, which they call the kumbu cough. And a lot of people got that.

Did you ever have a bad cough? Yeah, up until two days ago. I was hacking my lungs up. It was bad. Yeah. Was that from the cold or just from? From the cold. Okay.

I lost my voice. it was not good. PFT has just made his first appearance on extra dosing. Yes. So you climbed Everest? Yeah. Congrats. Thanks, man.

One thing I've always wondered about Everest is if the sun is hot, right? Do you agree that the sun is hot? Yeah, I would say so. Then how come the closer you get to it, you get colder? Have you think about that? I didn't until right now, but that's a good question. Yeah, just think about that. I just want to leave you with that to just,

marinate on. Huh. Well, interesting. You do get very bad sunburns up there. The UV rays. Okay. It's true. But does that make you warm?

Oh my God. My brain. No, so UV rays don't warm you up. But then what are they cooking? Don't your cells die because the UV rays kill them? It's honestly the dumbest question that I've ever asked in my life. Now, Billy's like, he makes some really good points. No, but think about what are the UV rays?

what do they do when they hit your cells? Yeah, they are. Yeah, your skin doesn't protect against UV rays. It's nothing to do with heat. I know, but what the hell does the UV rays do? Radiation. Oh, it's killing, okay. It's radiation, yeah. So sunburns are the same as like radiation burns?

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. And that's why they cause cancer because it's radiation causes cancer. Was it worse on ever? or in Antarctica? Everest for sure. Okay. Yeah.

Even though it's thinner. Yeah. Just everything about Everest was way tougher. Damn. I mean, imagine being Antarctica and there's just, there's something badder out there, Everest. Mm-hmm. I have another question. So I read into Thaneer.

Yeah. And I was just like cold reading that book with all the descriptions of ice and all the different columns that they have. And they talk about making your way through the ice fall. Yeah. at the start of it. Was that the scariest part? Yeah, I think like the first or second scariest because it's just you're maybe every 30 minutes, you're crossing a crevasse and you look down and it's 500 plus feet of just abyss

and you're on this little rickety ladder shaking for maybe like 20 plus feet and it's if you fall, you're dead. And actually a week before we got up to base camp, three Sherpas fell into one of the crevasses and died. Oh, man. And you know what's crazy we were talking about this earlier. They're basically mass graves because all the bodies freeze and there's, the people usually fall the same spots and just at the bottom there's just like a trench full of people

there are a lot of bodies and crevasses yeah have you thought about doing um doing k2 yeah so i'm it's i'm gonna do it you're crazy that that that one is actually insane like it's actually it's weird to think about because we're talking about mount everest you're like oh congratulations it's so cool that you climb mount everest it's awesome you hear like about people going making the trip to everest and everyone's like excited for them like this is going to be great k2 is one of those ones where it's like it's still it's scary, I think, even for the most seasoned mountaineers, right? Yeah, we were talking, I don't know if you were there.

I was talking to Tanya, a climber we made up there. She had done K2 last season. She said she would never do it again even for a million dollars. Like, there are certain points where there are little pieces of rocks flying down. They sound like bullets past your head. And if any of them make contact with you, you're going to lose like an eye or die. So respectfully, why are you doing K2? I just, I love a challenge.

And I also think that my flag is, uh, my flag. is the more you can more things that are outside of your comfort zone that you bring into your comfort zone the easier normal life gets like now you know going to an office having normal life is just a breeze that but isn't boring now kind of yeah that's why i want to do k2 yeah exactly and then and then after k2 what is there space that's a good answer do you have any interest just as someone who does like heights do you have any interest like jumping out of planes and doing dangerous like stunt type activities wing suit actually Yeah. Surprisingly, no, not at all. I've skydived a few times and it's terrifying when the door opens. I have a hard time jumping out.

Because a lot of people are probably thinking, oh, this guy's got a death wish. But like you. I don't think so. It's more of an event. It's a pure adventure. Yeah. Like I love the adventure aspect. The, the thought of jumping out of a plane or like base jumping that doesn't excite me. That's kind of like an adrenaline junkie, which I don't, maybe I am a little bit, but I think that's different from the idea of wanting to adventure, like go, you know, hike, climb mountains. Wow. So the real reason PFT probably came in here is you probably heard that you had sex on Everest. So let's get to that for the conversation. You mounted Everest? I mounted Everest. Mounted Everest. Wait, did you actually bone on Everest? Yeah, at base camp.

I thought, is it too cold? I thought there, you could have gotten stuck. It was cold. It was. No. Like, I assume they were both in the sleeping bag. Well, we don't have against the specifics. Yeah, yeah, we don't.

I just wonder what the highest elevation that any human being has ever had sex in. I think I know the answer to this. I won't say who it is, but they told me they had sex on the South Cole, which is Camp 4, which is almost 30,000 feet. Now, near the summit. Camp 4, I wouldn't have sex because at some point he had to take his penis out and I just, I wouldn't risk it that high up. It's a very serious risk of frost by under dick. Yeah. Like you could probably, you could probably get it within two minutes up there.

Yeah, put something warm. But if you're the, yeah, we got to warm each other up. But if you're the kind of guy or gal that likes to get choked out, talk about. Like, you have oxygen deprivation up there. It might be awesome. Yeah. Was, did the hypoxia impact any of the experience? Uh, I definitely was out of breath, uh, pretty quickly.

Yeah. What about, what about the meals at the end of a really cold day when you're hiking? Is it, is it stew based? Do you have a lot of soups? A lot of soups, yeah. So like from base camp to camp two, uh, we've, we had chefs and like proper cooking, uh, set up so we would have like normal meals like meat uh starches etc but then once you get to camp three and four you're eating dehydrated meals or ramen and the sherpas thought it was a good idea

to keep putting chicken feet these like dehydrated chicken feet in my uh ramen so it's at the end of a long day all you want to do is eat something anything that tastes good and you look down and there's like a chicken foot with the nails in it like floating in the top of your ramen you're like there's a good chance that chicken foot came from america we export tons of chicken feet I believe that. Back to Asia. Chicken feet aren't bad if they're prepared in the correct way. Not never.

It's like not what you want to eat there. In Hong Kong, they make solid chicken feed. I would eat chicken feed in Hong Kong, but. Yeah. Do you know, so we met a girl, Grace from Taiwan, and she had already climbed K2 without using oxygen. Yes. And then I think she was going to try to climb Mount Everest about using oxygen.

Do you have any idea if she was. I actually don't. That's a good point. I have to follow up with nymphs. I don't know. Yeah. Is there like the no oxygen, like no oxygen people? Do they look down on the oxygen people? They'll never say it explicitly, but for sure. They're like, they're like, do these pathetic losers, air breathers. Yeah. What? Is there any artificial? Because I've heard that a lot of people make the argument that it might be safer to climb without oxygen because you don't have the, you know, the weight of the equipment and all the logistics of stopping to change your gear in and out. Is there any truth to that at all? I'm not an expert, but like when you say that, it definitely sounds right because the oxygen canister that you're carrying with you is like 20 pounds so that added weight.

Once you go on oxygen, you can't come off it. So you're at a high altitude and like something goes wrong, which my mask actually did freeze up at one point. You're like, fuck, I'm going to die because then your body's used to more oxygen than it would get. And yeah, so I think like if you can do it safely, it's probably safer in a lot of ways. Can you even describe the feeling that you had when you reached the peak of Everest? Or was it a transcendental moment that's just like it's a feeling that you get that there are no words for?

Probably the latter. It's like you're so exhausted and you've just gone through so much that like doesn't, at least for me, it didn't fully hit me in the moment. And then as you're coming down the mountain, you're reflecting on it. And you're kind of like, that was incredible. But it is, there is like a little. sense of euphoria when you get up there because it's like, holy shit, I did it.

I'm like on top of the world. Tallest Mountain. We were lucky enough to be up there by ourselves. Like it was just our team. Usually there's a queue of people. And to be on top of Mount Everest by yourself, it was just me and my shirt. It's like surreal.

Yeah. Is, have you ever had a child? I can't say yes for sure, but I probably have kids running around somewhere in the world. Okay. Because everyone's like, everyone's like having a kid is, this big experience I was about to be like

what was crazy you're mounting Everest or you know having a child if I was at the birth or like if I knew my child I think I have kids in Mongolia somewhere honestly yeah that rocks I would I would love to have

Mongolian kids yeah did anybody get up there and they're walking down and be like you know that that was kind of overrated did you meet anybody like that like no that was that good like like people talk about ever so commercialized now everything's taking care of you rely on the sherpas it can't be that hard it's i've done a lot of hard things in my life that was fucking hard yeah um maybe nims like i didn't hear nymphs explicitly

say it but like i can imagine he just i think he's done it eight times now he probably walks down he's like oh just another walk in the park nims done it eight times yeah that's crazy but actually the record is 27 i got just summited first 27th time this year wow because i kind of thought that some of the Sherpas would have done it like 27 times. Yeah, one has. A lot of them are in the tens, like 10 to 20. That's a lot, but that actually goes to show how dangerous Everest really is. Because I kind of thought that these guys are just going up and down, like, multiple times.

It's dangerous, but it's also the weather window. Like, they're only in an entire year, there are only maybe like a few days where you can actually get to the top. So if you think about it that way, like maybe you could sum it once or twice a year. And if you summit 20 times, that's like, 10 years minimum so how much time are you are people like staying at different base camps um really only one night like some people stay camp two for a few nights but um you you want to keep moving and once you're at camp three and camp four especially camp four you can't spend much time up there like the more time you spend in the death zone which is camp four and above uh the worst so like my friend

jacob spent 63 hours up there and that's like bad because your body is actively dying every every minute you spend it there. Wow. Well, we checked that study, hypoxia people live longer. True. I mean, if you're closer to the sun, I don't know. Get sick tan. Yeah. Sick tan, though. So when you're, when you're training, you guys might have already talked about this. I don't know. But when you're training to climb Mount Everest, are you doing a lot of cardio work? Are you doing strength training? Or is it all just like functional mountaineering stuff? I didn't really train physically because one, I just, I'm always, I try to keep a good baseline of like physical uh health but um i think a lot of it is the technical kind of like gear equipment training stuff

that matters the most and like you could go on the stair master you can get super in shape but the amount of time you're sitting at base camp um it kind of just uh voids it all like you lose you'll lose it yeah i was just doing the stair master do you think it helped i mean because because for the maybe yeah yeah i've climbed uh old rag mountain in the Appalachians, and those used to be the tallest mountains in the world. So who's to say who's the real mountaineer here? Like, you're just, you're lucky that you were born into this window. That's true. Yeah. But born too late to climb old rag. What was the average height? So I have this theory that usually when I'm hung over in altitude, I say that altitude affects tall people

more. Yeah. Would you, what was the average height of the mountaineers? Um, because probably five foot 10, 5 foot 11. A lot of tall, skinny European people going up. Billy, how many times have you been hung over at altitude? And what does at altitude mean? I think that's what when you say when you're in altitude, you're not in altitude, you're at altitude. Yeah, I know, but how many, like, is this a frequent thing for you where you've, you've

no, everyone just, everyone's just like, don't drink that heavily when you're at altitude. Are you, are you talking about Colorado? Yeah. Okay. Were you like, is it, like, is it in the state of Colorado? Is it Vegas at altitude? I think a little bit. Yeah.

Well, yeah, everything's at altitude compared to New York. We're at altitude right here. Yeah. In this building, we're higher than the street. Well, no, we're at sea level. But yeah, but we're in the building. We're like at least 100 feet high. Is the, the bar that Donnie sent back the video of with all the Guinness donkeys.

Now, actually, Donnie, I showed that video to my aunt, who is a real big donkey fan and a mule fan. And she absolutely loved it. But she said, go back and you tell your friend Donnie, those are not donkeys. Those are mules. They were Guinness Mules, yeah Damn it Is that the highest bar in the world

Or could you open up a bar Higher up on Everest And people just get drunk way faster There should be a bar at the summit I don't know why they haven't done that I mean they officially They officially call themselves The highest Irish pub in the world

But if you're talking about Irish bars in the world Like we had a bar at our base camp That had that had Tall Boys and Rum And the one day we got pretty drunk was Pooja Day, which is like a ceremony they do to bless the mountain. And then it's the one day all of the Sherpas have off. So then they just rage for the next like 12 hours. We were shirtless for a bit. Yeah. And I probably only, I had probably like five beers,

three shots of rum. And I was very concerned because I was like this hangover is just going to like, they're like, I might have to be helicopters out of here tomorrow. But I don't No, the hangover wasn't horrible. And I think it's just because I was drinking so much more water than I usually do. What brands of alcohol can you get up there? They had a popular rum brand. So we pretty much just had rum and then Gurka beers. Yeah, Gurka beers.

Are those like a lagger or pilsner? Like what would you compare it to? It's a beer. Yeah, I don't know. Couldn't tell you. Lager. Yeah. It was good.

Did you have a beer once you got back to base camp after some? No, although after summoning, we went straight to Kathmandu after like an hour at base camp. And NIMS, the 52nd best club in the world is in Kathmandu. It's called Lord of the Drinks. Oh, yes. And Nims is like, I'm bringing you all out. Let's celebrate. And he got us a table in this VIP section and with an obnoxious amount of alcohol.

And that was the most I've drank in like years. The 52nd best club. That's awesome. I usually only go to top 50, but that was so. Yeah. I mean, I wonder what the top 50 looks like. What's number one? Best club in the world?

Yeah. The one, it's probably... Opium in Barcelona. Don't they? I've heard that one's pretty insane. That one's insane. Holy shit. I must died there.

Yeah. I heard their bouncers are insane. Yeah. I literally almost got stabbed there. I didn't do anything. It's a story for another time. Yeah. I've heard some insane stories about the bouncers at opium.

But... That club is out of control. Yeah. Probably hell's angels. It's pretty crazy. club. Where? Just the club itself.

Oh, the biking. Yeah, the biker club. The number one club is in Ibiza. Ah, Ibiza. Yep. Okay. That makes sense. Mm-hmm.

And then Cavoli Club Dubai. I'll have to. That makes sense. Hit that one up. While you're here, would you mind talking some Mars as well? Yeah. We could talk Mars. So Tyler works for SpaceX.

Oh, what? That's insane. And you were telling me, so like, I never really knew Elon's plan to get to Mars, but the way you laid it out for me, I'm like, oh, this could actually happen. Oh, yeah, it'll definitely happen. If everything goes according to the plan, which at least to some extent, yeah, well, it'll happen. Yeah. So if those rockets that they're testing now. Yeah, starship. Yeah. So if we get the starships to work, how would the whole process of traveling to Mars work? Yeah, so actually, Donnie and I were in Lobouchet, this little town on our way to base camp, and we live streamed the first official launch of the full stack starship. It blew up before it separated, but...

Was that on purpose? Not on purpose, but that was like if it had separated successfully, that would have been icing on the cake. We mainly wanted to test the infrastructure of the launch pad, which held up. Everything was good, so it was a successful test. But if we get those up and running, which we will hopefully, by the, end of this year, maybe next year. That's what we'll take humans to Mars and we can establish our first permanent settlement, permanent colony there. It'll take six months, about six months to get there. And then you'll have to wait at least a year until you can come back. Okay. Because of

the, just the kind of orbit of Mars and Earth and having to have enough fuel to get back so to be within close distance of one another. So what is your role at SpaceX? I actually work Within the Starlink program, so satellite internet, we're like, I think Elon had this vision where building Starship is super expensive, all the research and development that goes into it. We need to fund that somehow because like the amount of money that the governments and whoever else will pay us to launch satellites is caps out at like maybe $4 billion a year. It's not enough. Starlink could theoretically bring in like $50 billion a year. People and we're like 45% of the world doesn't have access to internet. We have rockets. We could launch you satellites up easily.

and we have really good engineers so let's do that and working on the products and how do we apply these to like cruise ships and commercial airlines and so can you buy Starlink right now I know Ukraine has it yeah so like could I possibly start living out of a trailer and driving around the US and have Starlink and like podcast remotely and just like live on the road this sounds like his future yeah this is something how much would that run you uh so we have a product called, it was initially called RV, but it's called Rome now. It's, you can either get a dish with a mask that you just take out of your RV and put down on the ground at Orients or a flat one that you just bolt on on the top of your RV.

You could drive anywhere, use it anywhere. I think that's like $150 a month, somewhere around there. How much is the equipment? The equipment, if you get the one with the mast, that's $500. If you get the flat one, it's $2,500. Oh. But it's a one-time purchase and then it's, like less than $200 a month and it's living room quality internet anywhere you go so you could you could

live stream forecast yeah yeah oh sounds like it sounds like we're moving into an RV sounds like I'm getting on the road yeah you get to the global package which is $200 a month you can go anywhere in the world with it holy shit that's amazing um did you ever ask Elon if you'd follow me on Twitter uh no I haven't seen them since you haven't seen that since then so that was when I was in Club 999 and my account was locked down, right? Yeah. And I was trying to get Elon to be my millionth follower. Oh, I forgot about that, yeah.

To unlock it, yeah. I keep, I check every day to see if he's followed me. Still hasn't done yet. I'm based out of L.A. He's always down in Texas, but I promise you next time I see him, I will ask. Okay. Appreciate it. Oh, do you, he's your boss?

He's like, my boss's boss, but, yeah. I mean, he's still super involved in everything we do. And like, yeah. Kind of like how port noise is our boss, but we don't really see him. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, no, I was just shocked to know that the plan is to be able to take a two-year round trip to Mars because I thought it was almost like it was just going to be a one way

and you would just be on Mars for the rest of your life. The initial people go over will probably stay there for a long, long time. Yeah, to like set up the base. But then like eventually down the line, you could do a two-year round trip. Because I like, I might consider a two-year round trip. to Mars. Are you trying to go to Mars? Would you want to go? Yeah, I would. And like my, my boss now, he's been at SpaceX for 15 years and he's seen it all. But he texted me after I summited Everest. He's like, now we know anything's possible. He's like, you know what

this means like next stop space. So I think there's a non-zero chance to go. If you don't, I mean, we all, if you don't mind me asking, you know, the Roanoke colony, a lot of early Like, doesn't, doesn't go well. Yeah, no. It's, uh, they found out what, what happened to that colony. Yeah. Yeah. We need to do an episode on that.

Wasn't there like cannibalism or something? Because they couldn't feed themselves. Yeah. No, but I think they ended up just, um, living with a, the ones who survived. A local tribe and then just, because they, they did a DNA test of that tribe and, like, found some European genes. Yeah. So they just do that with aliens on Mars.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Cross-pollinate with them. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I think he'll take care of you once you guys. I just always thought there was a monster named Croatone that just took over. Yeah. And so on their way out, they were just like, no, Croaton. And they carved that into a tree before Croaton ate them. Wasn't that the name of the tribe? Yeah, that was the name of the tribe.

So I don't know why it took like a thousand or, I don't know, it took like 400 years to figure out. They literally just wrote the name of the tribe. They went to live with. Went to live with Croatone. Like, oh, wow. What happened? It was UFOs. Werewolves.

but yeah I mean so you said well if you think you might have offspring running around the world like that's a great way to get away from them yeah

yeah that's a great way to avoid child's if any of them reach out to me I'm hopping right on the next rocket I'm right off to Mars sorry I can't hear you over to thrust I mean what do you think do you have any idea

what living on like their renderings of living on Mars would be like yeah I mean Elon's ultimate plan would be to tear for Mars, which I think would involve like nuclear explosions at the polls and then you could transform Mars into a planet like this with an atmosphere and you wouldn't have to live in pods. But for the first settlements, you would definitely have to live in kind of enclosed

buildings. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Kind of like base camps. So the idea, the idea for colonizing Mars is we're going to send people up there, have them live in pods at first, and then their mission out of these pods, go to the polls. and detonate nuclear weapons. Well, look, and that's going to make it, that's so fucking metal. Yeah, that's pretty metal. But, like, this is, this is why I personally like Elon Musk more than Bill Gates, because there's two philosophies.

Elon Musk wants to expand, you know, he's really into population growth. I mean, even in his personal life. And someone like Bill Gates is like talking about population control because we only have one planet, whereas Musk is like, fuck that. Let's try to make a new planet. and like expand and I'm more down with musk's vision because like it's like more pro-human. Yeah, I think like you need larger population to do more things and like a lot of people blame climate change and all these problems we have on overpopulation, but we can also

increase and better our technology to accommodate the like larger population. So I totally agree with them. But I'm also worried about how robots are soon going to take a lot of people's jobs. So, like, what are, there's a lot of people that just, like, won't have work to do. There's going to be a good, it's going to be, you know, friction, but there's going to be a point where the population collapse that's being predicted is going to align, like, we have the AI, but we're like, once that collapses, then we'll just let the robots pick up the slack type thing. Okay. Next 20 years are going to be insane. I mean, that's, living in the most interesting time in history. Yeah.

I'd like to think so, yeah. Hopefully we don't. I mean, except for the only other. time would be like when we were first discovering the new world like we just had no idea like north and south america existed um actually i think colonizing mars is super similar to like europeans first coming to uh the americas and this time so hopefully there's nothing there yeah that would be that could be cool could be cool but then we'll have to deal with you know we've had a lot of rovers on mars though and they haven't really found much yet yeah we always see a hand come up and

block the camera. What if they're underneath the ground? Yeah. What if they're like we were discussing one of our last episodes was on hollow earth. And in, you know, we came to the conclusion that like, I don't think there's hollow like an egg or like like a balloon. But I think they're like when you think of a bowling ball, our oceans are only less than a thickness of a droplet on a bowling ball. Yeah. When you think of how big, how much of the earth we have next to explored, like what, we've only explored 35% of the ocean, 10% really, but 35 scanned. And then that's only less than a droplet if you had the ocean on top of a bowling ball. And like Mount Everest is half of a grain of salt on a bowling ball compared to the rest of the earth.

It is possible. There could be like small caverns where civilizations exist underground that just avoided extinction events and become so much more advanced than us and like are driving the UFOs that are going like being shown to Congress. I mean, there's still tribes and the the Amazon and like Papua New Guinea that were that are totally um not in contact with civilization and what about like you go down to the bottom of i think it was called the Java trench and we're still discovering new species like there's so many places the marianas trench yeah well there's there's mariana trench but i just saw video today uh it's like somewhere near java like in the pacific and there's this new speed like it's it's pretty wild yeah so i mean think about how big

mars is there could be like civilization under the ground in mars that just safe from all the adapted to their atmosphere, the combinations, the combination of gases that they have there, and just underneath the ground there in avoiding all like the meteorites and stuff. Yeah. I mean, do you guys know why like coffee is called Java? Because the island of Java? Yeah, but it was because coffee beans and plants used to only be cultivated in the

Middle East. And then I think some Dutch people snuck some beans out of, I don't know, maybe Ethiopia or maybe Saudi Arabia, but they snuck the beans out. And then the Dutch had control of most of Indonesia at that time. And they found that like Java was also perfect for cultivating coffee. So they just, they, they turned it into a huge coffee island. Well, that is dope. Yeah. What happens if we find something on Mars and we bring it back to Earth? like yeah I mean what would be do they plan to like harvest any resources from Mars not for earth like it would just be for Mars because yeah just be too expensive to get them back yeah true but then once we build the infrastructure yeah we can start trade with interplanetary trade now we're

talking yeah now that's intense I mean the hollow earth they I think they found the largest cave system in the world only like 20 years ago or something Was that again? In China. I believe that, or maybe Vietnam, let's see, what's the largest cave system in the world? Because I was shocked when they were like, oh, it was only found not that long ago. You know, it's pretty crazy. The exact, there's another conspiracy theory that there's a, you know, a bunch of big foots living in the national parks.

And they live in the caves underneath the national parks. Because if you look at a map of where all the large cave systems are in America, it overlaps completely with our national. national parks and like teddy roosevelt like found out about the big foot and he like hide them but they went to war with them and he was like okay we'll make a truce we'll let you have all this land but could be yeah that's why so many people go missing in national parks every year that's uh big foot's crab them that's a far out one but it's kind of funny yeah i just love the idea of like teddy roosevelt and like an action movie against these like big foots trying to fight them i would watch that that i would 100% watch it that's a i came up with another movie

script. Last one was Ticky Torches and touchdowns. This one, Teddy Roosevelt, fighting the big feet. Where at? It would be definitely Yellowstone. And they live in the volcano. Oh, that'd be cool. Yeah. And their large cave system, like, they know how

to make energy and heat from the volcano. All right. And there's really cool, like, hot spring spas that they invite Teddy Roosevelt in. And that's where they negotiate their peace deal is in like a bath house in the in the volcano i could see them like using the hot springs because that's what the snow monkeys in nagano yeah japan do i think they're the only the only animal like outside of humans that like use hot baths yeah well some of those therapeutically some of those ones in yellowstone if you fall in you die oh yeah those ones and

and that actually has happened a few times it sounds terrifying Some people, like a tourist skin off your bones. Yeah. Some idiot fucking grabbed the bison calf in Yellowstone and they had to put it down just because this dude like went petted. Oh, that's annoying. Yeah. But I love the videos of tourists getting too close to the bison's and the bison's just fucking them up. I just, I have a sick, like you try to take selfies with them and then the bison just like rodeo flips them.

I just, I get a sick satisfaction for watching those videos. Yeah. That's like the bullfighting videos. Yeah. And the doors get launched. Yeah. Well, all of the yaks on Everest were very friendly, I think. Dude, yaks are pretty chill.

Yaks are very chill. And that's how, like, you know, base camp, it's like you have all of these domes and all these little kind of makeshift buildings up there. And, like, every single thing used to build those is carried up by either Sherpas, yaks, or mules. You know what's crazy about? Yeah. highland cattle i might be wrong on this highland cattle are closer to yaks than other cattle okay

or they have a little bit of they're not they're closer but they have yak DNA but they still can interbreed with other types of cattle all right i may be totally wrong on that but that's so crazy that like yeah the yaks and the himalayas like in the in scotland are more related than all the beef in between yeah by the way donnie on that note about people carrying things up did you see the guy with the washing machine

on his back? No you didn't see that it's some of these Sherpas like will carry for days on end like the most ridiculous things on their backs like doors and like 100 pounds of yeah we saw a guy just a full set of patio furniture

on his back like a table all the chairs I'd love to see some of these guys maxes if you put them like in a squat rat on a squat rack on a Olympic level. Yeah.

They're wild. There should be like a Sherpa Olympics. There should be. Because, I mean, we checked and Nepal has never won an Olympic medal, unfortunately. Yeah, but it's like their people are so athletic. You think they're, but I guess there's no like climbing events. Yeah. That's true.

Maybe in the X games. I don't know. Should have mountaineering to the Olympics. Yeah. Oh, there was a mountaineering in. Nickelodeon guts. Did you used to watch that? Yeah.

They had to climb the agro crab at the end? You would be great at that. Yeah, maybe. Yeah. Adult guts. Okay, I totally lied. That's an urban legend about yaks and in a highland cattle. Yeah.

Yaks are closer to oxen, whereas highland cattle are still bovine. So one of the guys we climbed with, he became the first Native American to Summit Everest. And I tried asking him about a conspiracy theory. I've heard a bunch. I've heard that Native Americans are just born without a fear of heights. And so they were used to build a lot of the skyscrapers in New York and Chicago. Like, I've heard that a few times, but I cannot confirm if that's true at all. It was like the, I think it's the Mohicans.

No, no, the last of the Mohicans. Anyway, but like a certain tribe that lived, that had crossed, you know, the Rockies had no fear of heights because all the ones that were able to cross didn't fear heights, something like that. Yeah. What did Jacob say when you asked him about that? Um, he said he had not heard that before. Okay. Yeah. Um, yeah. So they say that name Americans from the Mohawk tribe have no fear of heights. Oh, and then why are Mohawks not afraid of heights? And, but this is from a website poker eagles. So I don't know if we can, if we can trust it. Yeah, so from my, it's an urban legend

and the reason that they took it was because no one wanted to work those jobs except them. Okay. Yeah. So, yeah. Good tagline though. I mean, if I was a Mohawk,

I'd be like, not scared heights. Well, maybe they just like slowly had to adapt. I know. I think you can train yourself not to be afraid of heights. Exposure therapy. I don't know. I've got up to play in the skydove many times

and it never gets better. Yeah. I mean, the trek, to base camp there was only like one part where you're walking on a ledge and there's like a steep drop off how did you feel i'd be yeah i was fine i can handle heights i although i went to the cliffs of moore in ireland and there's no railing or anything yeah that's pretty sketchy it's just this little pathway along the cliff and i don't know that's usually windy yeah like you could easily be trying to take a photo and and accidentally fall off um all right well hopefully

next stop Antarctica? I think so. I would say there's a high probability we wind up here this year. Back in Antarctica. Was that, was that, did that have as many deaths

from what you heard? No, I don't think anyone's ever died climbing Mount Vincent. Huh. Because first of all, not that many people have climbed it or tried.

And also it's just so well organized. It's not that high. Did you have to get your appendix removed? No. I had, I read somewhere that if you go to Antarctica, you have to have your appendix removed.

But I think it was if you were to stay over winter at one of the bases down there, you have to get your appendix removed. What's the U.S. base down there that there's a lot of conspiracy theories about? I know McMurdo. Yeah. McMurdo? Yeah, I had never heard of it. But I guess there's a lot of conspiracies about that.

The funniest things are all the crimes. The crimes in Antarctica are some of the funniest things. There's been murders in Antarctica. Really? Yeah, one of them, let me look it up specifically, but one of them was over a chess match by two Russians in the middle of winter. And one of them, they like got through an argument over jazz. I will say like inartic logistics and expeditions, Zaley,

they basically are kind of the governing body of Antarctica. There's no one else down there. So they were telling me all these stories about the bases down at the South Pole. And during the winter, people go crazy. Like, they'll shave their heads. Like, they could totally see how people murder each other. yeah so these are some of the yeah so there was a murder it was two Russians and and then there was another one between two workers in the kitchen at McMurdu and they like they had a fight both

victims required stitches one attacked one with a hammer and they they like got this fight and then they had to report it and the guys made up but by the time the FBI got there and flew one out to Honolulu to try him but that by the time they got there they were both like boys it was like fuck like why did you get to that fight now I'm getting arrested yeah maybe we shouldn't have the police get involved here

I think most fights just need a little time in 1959 at Volstock Station oh they don't some sources say it was a murder others say that the attack was not fatal it was with an ice axe after the game of chess

there was the killing was with an ice axe. Holy shit. Yeah. Afterwards, chess games were banned at Soviet Russian Antarctic Station.

Okay. Yeah, let's play some chess. Not allowed. Why? Ice axe. One of the things I was sass about is I never got to use, use an ice axe when I was up there. Did you have to climb some ice walls?

I know you were walking over a lot of ladders when going through the Kumbu Icefall. Was there at, at like, any point was there an ice wall that you actually had to pick your way up uh no like the the worst uh wall which was probably lozze face you could just use your crampons and your center and get by with that so like i could have taken my ice axe and used at certain points uh but wasn't necessary so i'm a little upset about that too yeah have you ever done any ice climbing no i would love to though yeah it looks fun i mean i'm not trying to do like a 100 foot face but uh that's what which be cool to swing a ice accent to Um, who was the alpinist based on?

Uh, I forget his name, but it was a real, yeah, but no, I'm saying, yeah, it was, it was about, like, who's it about? I forget what his name was he's from Vancouver. And that, like, the majority of his climbing, he would, he would do with ice picks. Yeah, he was super nice climbing. Are you into that? No, no. Yes. Hmm. Do you want to hear another funny Antarctic crime? Sure. One guy was giving away the endings of books in the library. and the other guys stabbed him but there's other reports that one Russian guy told another Russian guy that he should dance on top of the table

to make money yeah so Antarctica is there's a winter over syndrome did you hear about that? Yeah because it's dark 24-7 for months

so they go nuts over stupid shit lose your mind I feel like now we have the technology to just like invent a room that mimics sunlight

and you could even have like each wall could be a screen so you could make it seem like you're at the beach maybe put like a hot tub in there yeah it's a good point yeah would definitely improve moods like they should have those up in alaska just like if you want to rent our sunroom for the day you can go in and there's just like a pool a fake beach and then whatever UV rays up top there are lights I think they're called happy lights that like give you UV and yeah if you live in places like Seattle. But those guys were telling me, like, you'll drop off, like, seemingly normal scientists

at the South Pole before winter. Come back. They all shaved heads. They've all gone nuts, like, after the season. So, it's no joke. I mean, vitamin D deficiency. Yeah. Can't go outside.

It's like too cold. So you're just in a little room for months. Do they have internet? They do now with Starlink. Sweet. Yeah. You might be solving Antarctic crime. Yeah.

By just, like, providing them better. Yeah. Starlink thing. I mean, I might just stop paying rent and put a caravan in the back of my truck. A lot of people have done it with Starlink. I mean, like Sprinter vans or yeah. I'm, I might be zooming in. I could. I mean, I've always wanted to at least try living in an RV for like a week, but I've never had the chance. You literally, I mean, the greatest part about it is you can seasonally travel everywhere. Yeah. Like you can be in the Northeast for the summer, you know, Florida, South, like, let's say you want to go to the Southwest. Yeah. Or if.

you're the emir of Qatar, he put Starlink's into his yacht. And so now he can just, he can take his yacht wherever and have solid Wi-Fi. Wow. We have a maritime product so you could have your boat fully equipped with internet. A lot of fishing boats have them now. It's crazy. That's all. Do you know, I mean, with remote work and Starlink, I mean, that's going to be amazing for the housing market. Because think about, like, you know, the commute, you don't have to commute as much. And people just like take up, Like you could have a fully operating office in like the middle of Montana with Starlink. We've literally, yeah, we've heard that like people who can work remote or can find cities because like the internet's better there with fiber. People are now moving like rural Montana, Utah, just using Starlink and working no problem.

Wow. Nice. I'm going to go buy a plot of land somewhere. Yeah. Well, with sea level rise, I feel like having a boat with Starlink, that would be the move because then you, you don't have to worry about floods. Have an arc in the backyard waiting. Yeah. Internet on my arc.

Let's start building an arc, boys. Elon's ark. Elon's building an arc. Is that what they're going to call the first ship that goes to Mars? The ark? I mean, that would be, it's a good idea. You should pitch that. Yeah, yeah.

The arc. Yeah, that would be. If they, like, set up a greenhouse up there, would they potentially be able to grow plants on Mars? Yeah, I mean, we will have to Otherwise Yeah Are there any renderings of the living quarters for like

You gotta have a team working on like What would the Mars station look like? We do have some rendering Let's let's see how hell yeah Are we able to Share them or is it top secret? I'm gonna Google it so if it's on the hand Because like would you

I feel like they would design it Kind of like they designed the Antarctic ones Oh yeah Like Oh yeah So, like, that's where the ships would launch from. That's, you could see, like, a little building. Yeah.

I mean, I bet it's all going to be functional. Wow. It's all going to be functional architecture, but, like, yeah. What if you're designing the interior of the station and you're like, like, let's, like, like, what's Martian architecture going to look like? I don't know. Probably similar to the domes we were living in up at base camp. Yeah, honestly. I kind of got moon vibes from base camp, except you, you could walk up.

outside. What were those like there, there's domes? Yeah. Domes. Yeah. And like I slept in a normal tent, but he actually slept, he had his own private dome. Nice. A little mini dome. You got dome too? Sweet. Yeah. That's if I could find a picture. The domes were nice. And then

we had a large dome. Oh, that's really cool. It's actually the movie, The Martian, kind of, do you think they're going to get it right? Oh, maybe. Because I feel like that's what it would look like. Yeah. Yeah.

It'll be close. They got the aesthetic, right? Mm-hmm. I think so. So you, what do you think the odds would be of you dying on Mars? No, I mean, actually, I meant what I say he's like dying on Mars like at the end of your life. Like literally, I'm saying like going to Mars, living a life. Yeah.

Living your life and dying on Mars at like 80. That's what I'm saying. I probably want to come back. You know what I'm like inhospitable. Yeah. It won't be. that fun. So you could be the king of Mars. Yeah, and you're... I think Elon will be the

king of. Think about how pissed your kids would be. Yeah, that's true. If you just like left your family, like, no, I don't want to be of you guys at the end of my life. I'd rather be on Mars. I'd rather die in a barren rock. Yeah. Well, what if they get it going? Like, get it cooking there. If they get a cooking, then I'll for sure stay.

Yeah. Like, what if they get it cooking to the point of base camp on Everest might be a little too much? What about like an Antarctic, like, station? I don't know. I was down there for a month and that was a lot. That was one month. Did you get a little start crazy?

Yeah. So what was more comfortable Everest base camp or your Mars accommodations? Uh, like, like Antarctica? Yeah. Oh yeah. In Antarctica for sure. Because like Antarctica had, uh, it's actually like ALE's camps are like you need glacier.

There's another one that actually Elon built called, uh, three glaciers retreat, three GR. Uh, they're actually like super well built. You have showers with hot water, um, super nice rooms, I don't I don't know. Yeah, Antarctica was way better. How many times you watch The Thing? Is that a movie? Yeah. I've never seen it. Oh, it's about a, it's a horror movie based in Antarctica.

Oh, I'll watch that. It's very good. It's very good. It's a classic. It came out a while ago, but they did do a remake. I don't think it's as good. 1982? Yeah. Watch that. It's a classic. Did you see anything weird in Antarctica that you can't explain?

I can't talk about it, but yeah. really yeah you can't talk about it no yeah i mean donnie's coming down with me this season you can ask him after he comes back and yeah yeah i'm sure i'll say the same thing indas are strong i will i'm well i'm gonna be vlogging though too yeah there's gonna be random cuts where it's like yeah yeah look i'm easily gullible did you actually sign nDA i don't know can't talk about it damn i hate nDAs me too otherwise i'd have so much a say right now yeah I want to hear about all the cool shit I'll just say Colin O'Brien

Brady's definitely in on it well did anybody watch Succession usually on extra doses we started doing these for Last of Us they just sort of evolved into a hodgepodge of whatever we want to talk about It's either Succession or you climbed about

out of wrist there's not really a huge in between There's some overlap there Yeah. I mean, I have seen the most recent episode. The penultimate. Yeah. Yeah. I just thought it was hilarious.

My favorite part was when all the girlfriends and wives met each other and we're just chilling together. Yes. And they're like, this is going to piss him off. Have you ever seen the show or no? No. Okay. We don't have to talk about it. I don't know.

Get Mad Dog and McKenzie involved. This was way more interesting than what I could have ever talked about with Succession. I don't watch it either, so yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, this, I would rather listen to this than me talking about who I think's going to take over a fake company. But we will be back next week to talk about that, I'm sure. Yeah, for sure. I do want to give Donnie a quick shout out. I wouldn't have summited without him.

I ran out of Zinn early on in my trip and he had a few extra things of it and, you know, was kind enough to share some. Yeah. I wouldn't have summoned without Zinn and without Donnie, I wouldn't have had it. Did the Zinn make you colder? I think it does. I don't feel a difference. I'm just addicted, so. Yeah. Because you were hearing, like, you used to not do tobacco or nicotine at all, but then you, like, heard someone talk and he was talking about the benefits. Yeah, actually, I forget what the science behind it is, but like people will smoke cigarettes at altitude who don't even smoke, just there's some benefit

that comes with it. I was just doing it because I like it, but. Yeah. Cocaine, same thing. I mean, Coca, coca leaves in Peru. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I've chewed coca leaves hiking. So the vasco constrictors help at altitude, but not with the cold. Yeah, exactly, yeah. Yeah, because I guess it can help if it constricts your blood, then you're using less oxygen. Maybe. Maybe if it's like that, I don't know the science behind it, but most of the Sherp is up there were smoking cigarettes.

Oh, yeah. Wow. Up until Camp Four, it's insane. Oh, really? Yeah. They were smoking even at Camp Forward. Yeah. Well, but then, like, to smoke, you would have to, like, lose.

leave your tent, which I feel like, yeah, they were leaving your tents and would some people just be hotboxing their tent. It was like sitting in a tent with the, uh, flap open, just smoking. Oh, yeah, yeah. Now, when you, when you slept at, when you slept at camp four, did you have to sleep with your, with your oxygen mask on? Yeah, and camp three. And that is brutal because it's like such a massive thing on your face. Yeah. And imagine if like you turn over the wrong way as you're sleeping and like it comes off and you just die in your sleep without realizing. it's terrifying yeah oh i i did confirm that grace uh summited everest but she did use oxygen wow pathetic i think it must have just been a rough year with the conditions because yeah

there were a few people that were planning on doing it without about about oh two but a lot of people got sick the weather was not amazing yeah but at least because that one year i think it was 2019 when they had like there were too many traffic jams up there at the summit and that's why a lot of people died and they were worried about that for this year because they gave out so many permits but um it seems like there's been like no complications with the traffic jams is that one that no the way and guy died because it's yeah it's like you have this much walkway to walk on and if you're trying to like walk around someone and you undo your safety you could just it's that that that much. It's literally this.

My feet are too big for Everest. I have trouble with bad stairs. Yeah, that's the reason. You'll never talk about it. That's it. Yep, that's it. Sorry, I couldn't go. Quite a few people died this year, actually. Like, I keep hearing about new deaths. Yeah. I keep making a better excuses

of not going to Everest. Billy, no one's, like, forcing you to go. You just like, don't have to, you don't even need an excuse. I feel, I don't know. I want to do it, but then I'm like, fuck. I'm going to think I'm hallucinating and tweak out. yeah i don't know if i want to climb with you then i don't even know if anyone's invited you like you don't even have an invite no just in like one day well you don't necessarily need an invite but

i'm really you wouldn't need some money i'm really hoping that at one point of my life yeah i like like i'm like i'm like i have free time with a bunch of money i don't know when this is but hopefully one day that happens and i'm able to do all this not there yet yeah not there yet no that's fine well free time and funding free time you might have you but Right, it's hard because your athletic prime is, is like right now. Yeah, but there are, yeah, there's a little, yeah, like 60 year olds climb a lot, right? I think the record, the guy was 83, some Japanese guy, 83. Japanese people age differently.

That's true. They are built different. That's crazy. That's crazy. I couldn't imagine doing that. Yeah. Holy shit. I'm pretty sure Okinawa, Japan is where people live the longest on the planet.

actually that's yeah that's true yeah it's wild um yeah so who knows if i'll do it i would like to climb a mountain maybe i'll start with kilimanjaro because that's just a weak trip you can do in seven days or vincent in Antarctica this season i yeah that'd be a badass mountain to start with i would do that i mean just to go to Antarctica would be cool that would be the cherry on top an article is a special place it is one of those places it's probably the closest place to a different planet 100% yeah 100%

you're ready for Mars yeah I think so joking aside a lot of my colleagues like are like you're the Mars you're the one yeah dude you're gonna be on you're gonna get to Mars one day I'll be like know that guy we could do another

new episode Two years, like, you got Starlink there? Mars link? We will have Starlink. It'll be a separate constellation, but I'll definitely be there. Just be like, I knew he's going to Mars the whole time. I saw it at him from the jump. He was totally going to be a Mars guy.

I'd go to the moon. Before Mars. Super close. Are they going to try to do the moon before Mars or just straight to Mars? We're going to land on the moon and probably try to set some stuff up there before we go. What's the timeline on that, you think? That's like next couple of years. Nice.

Yeah. I think you try to colonize it. Not colonized, but definitely put some permanent bases and stuff. Yeah, because I think it's probably pointless. Because can you terraform the moon? No. Yeah, it doesn't have the, yeah, it's not worth it. It doesn't have its own atmosphere.

Yeah. And Mars has water already and other stuff that makes it much better. Huh. What if you get to Mars and just like, you just realize it stinks? Like literally, like smells bad. It smells bad. It smells like shit. It smells like shit.

It's like, oh, fuck. It's the way two years. Oh, God. It just smells so bad. Like, we'll get used to it. Nope. Been here for six months. That would be so brutal.

Oh, my God. Just so shitty. Wait, so, so, I mean, here it says they're going to open a space hotel by 2027. Yeah, that's another project. There's a lot of stuff going on in the space industry right now. Yeah. So, I mean, I think if we live to the age of 70, at least, um, hopefully we all live longer than 70, like we might, we'll probably have an opportunity. The men and my family

conk out at 78 usually. Okay. So that's, that's my timeline. That's my timeline. It's nice to know exactly when you're going to die. There's like a sample size of four. Really? Yeah. Four people have died of 78. So it's like, I know, it's kind of comforting. So. All right. Well, use your time wisely. Yeah. What if like Mars like, there's like a frequency and you get there and just your ears are ringing the whole time that would also suck like no one knows or all these things at once like it smells like shit we're actually ringing the mars rover could hear but it couldn't smell no it couldn't smell so actually the mars rover can't because without an atmosphere there's nothing for sound to travel through like sound needs air so like even if you were there right now if

you didn't have a like suit on or anything there's nothing here yeah and i wouldn't worry about the smell because you're going to be like wearing something over your head if you're outside yeah and you'll get used to it yeah The body can adapt. Well, I think now's a good time to wrap it up. I hope everyone enjoyed the extra dosing. Thank you to Tyler and Donnie and Michelangelo for bringing their stories. And you'll have to try some more mad honey.

I've got it on my desk. I would do it. Yeah, in a small dose. I don't know if I could podcast. I want it. Is it worth it though? Because like you, my favorite story from the entire trip is Michelangelo coming down the next morning. Like, yeah, like there was a point where Donnie was laying on the floor

and his back and he looked up and goes, call the hospital. And like, I don't. Yeah, I mean, well. You, like, overdosed. Yeah, I overdosed. But then I did like one teaspoon last Friday and I didn't feel a thing. So it's like I need to find like a happy medium where I can feel the effects and not be on the floor.

I do way less drugs than you do though, like none. Yeah. The altitude could have made it worse. Well, no, because I was doing it in Catmandu, which is like lower than Denver. It's not very high. I would try it. All right, well, let's go take some now.

Yeah, I do recreate. I couldn't do it while podcasting. No, you cannot. It made me very uncomfortable. I was just like, just like try to act normal. Yeah. Yeah. That's sweet.

Thanks guys, thanks McKenzie. Thank you. Mad Dogg for doing an extra podcast in the week. Thank you, listeners. Bye. Hmm, hmm.