Macrodosing: Arian Foster and PFT Commenter - Why Chemtrails Are The Most Believable Conspiracy Theory

Episode Date: July 13, 2023

On today’s episode Arian, Big T and Billy get into the Chemtrail conspiracy theory. The chemtrail conspiracy theory is the belief that long-lasting condensation trails left in the sky by high-flying... aircraft are actually "chemtrails" consisting of chemical or biological agents, sprayed for nefarious purposes undisclosed to the general public.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/macrodosing

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey, macrodosing listeners. You can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon music. Buttons are kind of wild when you think about it. I've never just thought about buttons. I thought a lot about buttons. Stabby, stab. What?
Starting point is 00:00:18 What, bro? Okay, hang on, hang on. Everybody stop. I want to dig into both of what y'all just said because they're both very interesting to me. All right, everybody, welcome back to the Macro Dosa podcast. I am your one and only host, Erin Foster. And I'm with me with my lovely crew, PFT. Nope, he's not here.
Starting point is 00:00:50 I'm with my man, Billy, Big T, Maddie, Mac. We all chilling. PFT gone. He, I think it was Bahamas, Baruga, Aluga. He's in Baruga. he's straight up no-showed i i have to say that was pretty he he can do it he can do it but that was a pretty blatant if if i did something like that i mean hey say right after a week off too yeah yeah talk that shit billy he's uh accountable i'm just saying he's he's drinking
Starting point is 00:01:19 a lot of novelty drinks nowadays you know hmm i don't know what does that mean yeah i'm i'm you know I'm fairly well-versed in the money game. I know when people are starting to get money, they're starting to hide it. He's having trouble hiding it right now. You know what I'm saying? Well, he was never good at hiding it. No, he's getting worse.
Starting point is 00:01:38 I'm saying he's getting worse. He's getting worse at hiding that money right now, man. That's what happens. He's in places I can't even pronounce right now. You get enough of it. You run out of hiding places. That's bad. You only have so many mattresses.
Starting point is 00:01:53 I heard he's done. Shoot box money, man. I'm going to start busting out the scene. Yo, I heard he's going to make an offshore bank account. That's what he's doing. He's probably a good move for him. He's in Barugula or Arugula drinking on some whatever. That's crazy.
Starting point is 00:02:10 There's no extradition in Barugula. I can fit all my money under one twin-sized mattress. He's got four kings and it's spilling out. Selling outside. He got to take some shakes. Baby, we got to take trips. I can't. I can't pay taxes on this.
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Starting point is 00:04:38 consecutive days in a row. This was your first consecutive days off since Christmas. Well, like holiday wise. You know what I'm saying? I was about I say, didn't we just do it? You did a podcast, right? I was like, my tripping? Yeah, wait, we did. We also have done a podcast since the break was over. It's our first time being back altogether. I know it feels like it though, really. Yeah, because Sleepy Joe's on the beach and Mayor Pete's nowhere to be found. Meanwhile, there's not an air traffic controller in the Northeast that's working. That's facts.
Starting point is 00:05:04 Hey, hey, but if we, if we doing that, inflation down to 3%. I'm just saying. Okay. That's better than where it was. The rates are still. I'm just going by the numbers. if we if we if we if we if we if we blame a sleepy joe we got to we got to give us credit no all right let's okay sure but as your money is getting back to being worth uh just a little bit less instead
Starting point is 00:05:29 of a lot less you can't get on an airplane that's true so pick your battles I was always an advocate of public transit anyway I believe that we should spend more infrastructure on public trade more tax money infrastructure on public transit um but I'm with you on that with taxes the thousand percent the high speed rail we want the high speed rail. Granted, it wouldn't have helped me a ton from Florida to New York, but it can get you from New York to D.C. And I don't know how long. It's normally four hours. I'm sure the high speed rail could do it a lot quicker. You know, the Great Lakes has a decent train system. Like, you can get from New York City to Minneapolis with a couple stops in between. It's like,
Starting point is 00:06:11 it's not high speed and it's kind of a roundabout way, but you can still do it. Are you talking about Amtrak? Yeah. I mean, Amtrak in the Northeast is really good. That's why I think a lot of coastal elites push for the trains everywhere. I don't think it's coastal elites, you said that kind of flippantly. I think it's, no, I was halfway joking, but it's people who have experienced when you live in New York, you can take the train to Boston, Philly, D.C. all very easily. And once people do that, they want trains everywhere, which I agree, like having used Amtrak a bunch, having lived here, like it's pretty great. I have I think it's just like the leisurely travel of it.
Starting point is 00:06:53 It's just, it's more convenient. It's less stress because I still get anxiety when I fly as far as like, is this bitch going to crash? Even though I know the odds are low, it's still the turbulence fucks with me. I know the turbulence fucks with a lot of people that the lines at the airport are crazy. Like, it's just a better option. I'm awful options. I just give the people some options, sleepy Joe.
Starting point is 00:07:13 Real quick, what ever happened to the Transcontinental Railroad? I don't know. Lace me. Didn't we build that shit just so we could go across the country in a train? Several hundred years ago. Yeah, but like what happened? Like, did we just get rid of it? I'm sure the tracks still exist somewhere, but...
Starting point is 00:07:32 Are we using it? Why aren't we using it? Because we have planes. What the fuck happened to the Transcontinental Railroad? My Transcontinental Railroad knowledge is limited, but let me do a quick... Golden Steak. Golden Steak, we're going from the Sierra Nevada, I think. What happened is that you can get from here. to California in four hours instead of six days.
Starting point is 00:07:54 Transcontinental Railroad today. It was built before the Silver War. Oh, it's still in operation by the Union Pacific. Yes, the same railroad that built it 150 years ago. So if you know what the first Transcontinental Railroad was, it was in APUS history. And it was a big part of my life that I thought I would have to know about because they taught in high school.
Starting point is 00:08:17 But from what I'm looking, So it went from the Mississippi River and the U.S. Atlantic Coast. That was where most of the it was, but they first made one from the Mississippi, the Pacific Railroad. Okay. So it linked the San Francisco Bay at Alameda, California with the nation's existing Eastern Railroad Network at Council Bluffs, Iowa, dash Omaha. So that was the- Yeah, I went to Nebraska border and went all the way to the Bay Area, basically. Yeah, so there is a way by train, not high-speople. that I think you can get from New York to San Francisco.
Starting point is 00:08:53 I'm sure there is. It would really suck. You have to catch. That suck is subjective. I think a lot of people. So, like, my mom and my stepdad, they love riding trains. And I thought they was lame for the longest until I did it. And I think I spoke about it was podcast before, but I was in the Northwest.
Starting point is 00:09:10 And I went from Portland to Seattle. And it's like a, I don't know, three, two, three hour train ride or something like that. And it's just one of the most relaxing things I've ever done. And I've always said I wanted to do one like cross-country where we just backpacked. But you have to a lot for that time. You have to plan for that time to be on a train. And what I like about it is while you want to train, you can enjoy your time there. You can drink, you can have your little speaker, you can have music, you're playing cars,
Starting point is 00:09:34 you're chilling, playing whatever games you like. You know what I'm saying? You chill with people you enjoy it. You're still getting that bonding time. But it's the stress-freeness of airport and the plane and the turbulence and all that shit. All that shit is gone. a very smooth ride from my experience. So I'm looking at right now, you can take a train
Starting point is 00:09:54 from Penn Station Moynihan Train Hall that's two blocks away to Union Station in Los Angeles, California, and it takes two days in 19 hours, but you can do it and it costs $2,000. So, U.S.? Amtrak is like the train's expensive. U.S. It's more expensive than flights sometimes. And it has one transfer.
Starting point is 00:10:15 So I'm trying to figure out what that transfer is. It'd be like Chicago. Union Station Chicago. So you can do it. You can absolutely do it. That's crazy that they're charging two grand. Yeah, that's insane. Oh, it actually leads to sit on a train for three days.
Starting point is 00:10:30 It leaves in two hours. Even from here to Buffalo, it's like eight hours. Hold on. Hold on, Billy. I just quit Google search this year. It said, how much is it cost from New York to L.A. by trains? That says minimum price, $444. Average ticket price, $365.
Starting point is 00:10:47 Where are you getting too bad? I will say if you're looking at one that leaves in two hours, that's probably going to be more expensive than if you book it a few weeks out. Trains a hell of inexpensive, man. I don't know. I don't know why. I don't know why. I just, I'm on this website Wanderoo, so I was pulling up that quickly.
Starting point is 00:11:06 So I don't know if it's actually that much. For $400, that actually might be decent. That makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm telling you, dog, if you, if you got the time, it's really about time. Because my experience, man, money gives you just freedom and it gives you luxury. And so if you've got the time and you've got the companionship to want to have that time with somebody on the train, get on the train, man.
Starting point is 00:11:30 Can you sit for that? Could you sit for three days? Well, you don't sit for three days. I know. I know you can get up and, you know. No, no, no. What I'm saying is like, so they'll have like, because you have different stops. That's what takes a long.
Starting point is 00:11:40 If it was just a straight shot, it would be way faster, but there's different stops. So you'll stop in different cities. People are coming on and off. So somebody from San Antonio's going to Arizona, whatever the case may be. So there's different stops like every other state or whatever. And that's the beauty. Like you get off and there's like 10, 15 minute rest stops where people are. And that's the beauty.
Starting point is 00:11:57 You can, you don't got to go through all this, carry all these lines and shit. You just hop on. I showed up. My plan left like at eight. I showed up at like 750. I was in and out, right? But like every stop, you can get off, stretch your legs, throw a ball, whatever the case. Have a smoke, whatever, you know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:12:15 Go inside. some drinks, come back out, and then y'all back on it, y'all back on the train. But for the most part, you're sitting on a train for three days. But also, this is where luxury comes into play as well. I got the room. And so it was extremely dope. They have these, they're small rooms, but it's like there's on two separate sides. It's like this, right? You sit right here and right here, and your legs are facing each other. But then you get to lay those things down and then it's just a bed. And she literally could just lay down the old time.
Starting point is 00:12:49 I just like, I couldn't, I couldn't sit in my apartment for three days and not leave. Like, if I, if I sit somewhere for more than, you know, eight to 12 hours, I got to go do something. I pinned you as a hermit. You're not a hermit. I'm a hermit. I can, like, I can sit in my apartment for a while and just like play video games, whatever. But after a day, like, if all Saturday, like, if I don't leave my apartment on Sunday morning, I'm like, I need to go, you know, get a coffee or something somewhere like I have to go do something I also feel like it's your
Starting point is 00:13:20 apartment is so small right now that you just get like you just get so stir crazy in there there's no way for you no it's not no that is true I also have I also have it's not a slight my apartment's smaller I have no windows so it's like pitch black in your whole apartment well they do but they they face a brick wall that has other people's windows in it so I had to just put blackout curtains on it because like I was staring at somebody from me to Madeline oh Tell me, do you in any way try to make friends with that person? Absolutely not. No, but it's not, no, no, no, hang on, hang on.
Starting point is 00:13:52 It's not another apartment. So the floor below is some sort of office. And it's literally like from me to Madeline the building. And they're in like an alley. So it's not like across the street. It's like from me to her. Then the floor above is some sort of weird, gutted. It legit looks like somewhere you would take somebody,
Starting point is 00:14:15 if you had killed them or two killed them. There's a weird, like, single light, you know, in movies, the little light bulb with the string on it. It's literally that. So it's vacant commercial. Yeah, and it looks really creepy. So finally after a while, I was like, I'm just putting blackout curtains up over all my windows.
Starting point is 00:14:32 So in old New York, if you talked to anyone that lived here in like the 80s, there would be stories like that, but they'd always be like, yeah, there was this like group of girls, like before camera phones, they would be like on the building next to us and they'd like flash us.
Starting point is 00:14:45 I know you were to say that. But that's like, and you're like, no way. That's like, you didn't do that when you were working on Wall Street in the 80s. They're like, yeah, man, it was sick. Like, the world was so different. And that's like, cool. Yeah, flashing has stopped. Yeah, because.
Starting point is 00:15:00 It doesn't happen anymore. No one flashes because of the iPhone. I do think that nakedness is, we're desensitized to it for sure. Like the naked neighbor. Yeah, the naked neighbor. Yeah, you heard about it. Yeah. But that's from friends.
Starting point is 00:15:14 Yeah. See, it's like old New York lore I feel like it's a jet like Yeah, it's like a New York thing But like I've also heard that if you don't have a naked neighbor Like you're you might be the naked neighbor Oh whoa Yeah
Starting point is 00:15:25 Well the naked neighbor might not know they're naked in front of you They might think that they're not seen Exactly I think I have that issue Yeah me too I'm you know what I might be the naked neighbor I think I'm the naked neighbor
Starting point is 00:15:39 I might be the boxer's neighbor where I'm letting my dog out into my backyard and everyone who's look can see my garden just sees me in my box oh see that's different because you're physically outside you got a garden it's a it's you could call a garden you could call what are you what are you growing uh weeds and i pick them don't think that's a garden is that is that constituted garden i don't know the it's like it's it's no metrics i i don't plant anything it's just an outdoor space that patio yeah kind of back but then i it's just like a little place where i have like a barbecue and I like drink beers when it's nice out and then my dog takes
Starting point is 00:16:19 pisses yeah patio yeah okay like such a like a bro yeah like I'd go outside and drink beers when it's nice outside oh the bro Billy is the bro king I think so thank you like I appreciate yeah no I it's a title I figured you would be honored to have I have the bro king yeah remember when we were in Tennessee like Billy was getting recognized so much more than I ever thought imaginable because he was in the 18 to 22 year old demo and they were flocking to him like he was Michael Jackson. Hannah's old city could not get enough of Billy football. Yeah. I appreciate that. I'm going to I try to keep small minded. So I'm going to appreciate that, but keep on doing me. What word?
Starting point is 00:17:08 What word were you trying to use there? Because it wasn't that. I don't know. I just get really scared when I remember that like a lot of people know who I am trying to keep I'm trying to figure out where he was going I see humble like humble yeah I think he's so I think he's trying to say yeah maybe he's trying to is that it yeah humble small minded is an insult well whatever humbling humbling self-inflicting yeah but uh cool uh the broking as I said I remember we was outside of the library. And, like, we, a couple people recognize this. And me or whatever.
Starting point is 00:17:48 And, like, we were taking pictures. And, like, in the distance, are you here? It's like, oh, my God. Oh, my God, bro. Y'all remember that shit? And, like, dudes come running us. Like, we saw you were here. We tweeted.
Starting point is 00:17:58 We ran all the way from, I don't know, some building. I was like, yo, that's brazen. Some dude gave me, like, a hundred yard head start on a chest bump. and I had to wear that one I just got the wind knocked out of me but trying to keep it together that's pretty dope shout out those bros in Tennessee
Starting point is 00:18:16 Aaron you have a really good white guy voice I was going to ask to have it done again I got I got to what I mean I was I was fluid and white dude I'd be around a lot of white people man so I understand y'all I get it so I mimic it well
Starting point is 00:18:33 maybe maybe like you know what I said like that. I want that, though. You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah. But yeah. The Dap wouldn't be that clear. Yeah, the death would be. Yeah. What else was going on in the news today? I've seen, you know, inflation is down. Shout out Sleepy Joe. What else is going on, man? I've been so tapped out of the news in general that I haven't, uh, haven't paid attention to anything, man. I've been, I've been, hell of vibey in my own little lane. This, uh, the news has been, uh, pretty, like, like politically like stories that piss off one side or the other lately because I think there's not much real nose so like did you see that a Spanish climate minister who took a
Starting point is 00:19:18 private jet to the climate conference all time took a limo and then hopped out the limo and got to a bike and bike the rest of the way while being accompanied by a vehicle all time just to seem more climately like climate aware and reduce your footprint yeah it's all about optics man yeah but it's just it's disgusting how would you have him arrive uh well just show up in the car that you were in instead of getting on your bike for a block
Starting point is 00:19:47 and just make it a hybrid or an electric vehicle like that's the least you can do when you're financing your fleet of vehicles that you're using to move around this they low key i i forget there was a study put out a while it's been a minute though but um the carbon footprint of a electric vehicle is not much better than a gas vehicle it's not for my for my for my recollection I think it is in the long
Starting point is 00:20:15 run overall it is better but it's I don't think it's an insurmountable amount and I think they know that but I think I think people that push policy are not they're aware of all of these things and they're they're trying to tackle big policy issues which would happen like you know, in the industry globally, not like people taking their car to work if you're like, yeah. But if they, and I'm sorry I'm about to use this word, but if they
Starting point is 00:20:42 switch the electrical grid to nuclear. Good, that's good. Yeah, that was good. Nuclear. Uh-huh. It's like ever clear, but nuke. Right. Nuclear. However you got to do it, man. We're on your team. Nuclear. Then it would actually
Starting point is 00:20:58 have a much bigger reduction. But our energy grid is relies so much on fossil fuel is that and also turns out lithium mining is like terrible. Yeah, damn near slave labor. Like I'm, wasn't Francis in Ghanu?
Starting point is 00:21:14 A lithium miner? Or am I making that up? I have a minor of some sort before he like got to Europe. He's also fighting Tyson Fury, which I'm now convincing myself he might win, even though there's absolutely zero shot.
Starting point is 00:21:31 What a pivot. I've never changed to celebrity boxing match well Francis Anganu MMA guy huge punch power he's the guy in the new
Starting point is 00:21:40 jackass that punched who do you punch in the dick no clue he punched him the dick and he like rated his punches like one of the hardest punches ever recorded by this punch rating machine
Starting point is 00:21:50 but sick yeah Bro King but Tyson Fury Gypsy King just has been boxing his whole life
Starting point is 00:21:59 and has so much better defensive movement that he's never to get hit so we'll see what happens speaking of movies are we all going to see barbie and oppenheimer next week yes should we make that a thing we do because i don't have any plans i'm uh i got my tickets to oppenheimer last night i'm very excited i'm so excited so how are you guys doing the double feature what are you hitting first and what's your schedule with you i i talked to my girlfriend about whether we should do the double feature we both agreed that was a bit much for one day so we're seeing Oppenheimer on Friday.
Starting point is 00:22:32 I'm doing the double feature. And then we'll see Barbie at some point soon. And this man says he can't sit down for a long time. No, that's what I'm saying. Like Oppenheimer's three hours. Then you want to tack another movie onto that. Also, I want to feel Oppenheimer. Like, when that shit blows, I don't want to, I don't want to be coming off that experience and be like, okay, we're going to see Barbie now. I'm surprised you're into seeing Barbie. I don't think I'd go alone It's just the event
Starting point is 00:23:03 It's the event of the summer No but in a total In a couple situation It's a tradeoff Yeah Oppenheim Yeah I can I can deal with seeing Barbie
Starting point is 00:23:12 As long as I get to see Oppenheim Sell me sell me on box I'm single laying so sell me I'm going to see Barbie Because I have zero interest In seeing it So sell me, go ahead
Starting point is 00:23:22 Margot Robbie is Barbie One I don't know who that is She was Wolf of Wall Street Stop Stop. Oh, what?
Starting point is 00:23:30 Hang on. Are you being dead serious right now? Yeah, I know I'm shit with celebrity names. Maddie. You do big day, you know I'm just in a celebrity. She is. No, she's like the celebrity. No cap.
Starting point is 00:23:41 No cap. Maybe the hottest woman on the planet. Look her up. Wolf of Wall Street's wife. I'm sure I won't. Yeah, the wife and Wolf of Wall Street. Do you remember? What was her name? Margot.
Starting point is 00:23:50 M-A-R-B-B-B-I-E. Margot-R-B-B-I-E. The scene when she's in the nursery and then Leo makes her know she's on film? Oh, she's Harley Quinn? Yes. Yeah, okay, I've seen her before. Hottest woman on earth is a hell. I said maybe.
Starting point is 00:24:11 Top five to ten for sure. She has those, you know, it's culture, preferential thing. Won't even make my top. No, she has those crazy eyes that almost make you avoid because you're like this, she's crazy. You know what I'm saying? Like there's crazy hot that's scary. Like if they're so hot, it's terrifying a little bit. Like this person has probably gotten away with terrible things because they're so hot.
Starting point is 00:24:34 Yeah, you know what I'm saying? But yeah, so she's Barbie. Okay. Still not sold. Give me more. Ryan Gosling. Do you know who he is from The Notebook? What do you want?
Starting point is 00:24:46 Yeah. He is Ken. That's a great. Hey, on. Time out. The notebook. Great movie. Listen, for all the dude bros out there
Starting point is 00:24:57 Who'd be like, I don't use a new book, my girl. Listen, that is a fan fucking tastic movie, dog. I cried. I absolutely shed tears when I watched a movie. It was fucking sad, dog. It was amazingly when net, I don't want to spoil it. It's been out like 20 years. Yeah, after 10 years, you can say whatever.
Starting point is 00:25:13 When I figured out to end it was that nigga coming back every single day, I was like, oh my God, sign me up for that luck. Sign me up for that. Sign me up for that. It doesn't exist. Sign me to fuck up for that love. It can exist. I know it's not real.
Starting point is 00:25:26 See, my problem in general with love is that it's been marketed to us for centuries and it doesn't deal with the nuances and the complexities of actual day-to-day life and it's just you have an idea. And so you chase the idea rather than actually dealing with the emotions that you have and the complexity of the motions that you have, right?
Starting point is 00:25:46 Perfect example is when I was talking about the strip club thing. Y'all was like, fuck that shit, strip club. I ain't taking my girl to strip club. but the complexity of those emotions you have to deal with that you still find other people sexy but this is what home is that's what i'm saying it's because we have been marketed to but let's be on the point tell me on the barbie thing man um it's not marketing there's a thousand percent market where does your idea of love come from where to come from my parents uh probably family first that was my first okay that was my first influence
Starting point is 00:26:23 Okay, where else? Okay, movies. Okay, okay, okay, we get it. Boy meets world. I'm telling you, like, it has a thousand percent been marketed and advertised to us about what it's supposed to. The fact that you want to get married, that is also advertising, think about the diamond industry and how much of billions of dollars they spend on advertising
Starting point is 00:26:42 because you're supposed to spend a certain amount of paycheck, billions of dollars of advertising revenue that the diamond company spend on giving a certain amount of money from your paycheck to the wedding ring of whatever girl or whatever the case might be. All of that shit, the movies, the stories that have been written over time, the Romeo and just since back then. It's all, it's been marketed to us about what love is supposed to be because the beautiful thing about art, which I love, right? I'm going to get off my tangent after this. But the beautiful thing about I love about art is it takes, it takes the emotions that we have and it puts it into a form that can be interpreted by us,
Starting point is 00:27:27 right? Whether it be painting, whether it be music, whether it be whatever the case may be. And it's usually the highlights. And the low lights are fun too and we can relate to, but the highlights are what we aspire to, right? That becomes the goal. I want to get to that, but it's just most of the time not realistic. So when I say I want that notebook love, yeah you're going to find hard press maybe 1% of the population that's going to keep coming back every day if you don't know if you're unrecognizable nine times out of 10 that do go have a side chick that's been waiting in the wing for a minute that he's going to hop on this is he'll do I think there is an element of companionship that is part like if you're actually like friends with the person there's like a sort of companionship that sort of ensures the monogamy sure or in an empathy type thing? I think that's the idea I think it's ideal. I think
Starting point is 00:28:25 it's ideal. Absolutely. I think that is ideal. And I think that's what we all aspire to. We all have that. I have that. I want that love. I just don't think it's a thing. I aspire to it. Absolutely. And I am jaded by my experiences, just like you're jaded by your experiences, right? But for my
Starting point is 00:28:41 experiences, that's what I see. But I'm all for it, man. I'm all for it. But continue to sell me. You got Ryan Gossel Robbie Goldberg What's the name? Merlo? I'm actually not I have to argue with you
Starting point is 00:28:54 A lot of, I'm looking up some stuff That like a lot of the stuff That we've been sold And you say are being sold Pre-date commercialization It's like for example The wedding ring
Starting point is 00:29:04 Is the basis of it Is ancient Rome and Greece And even the Viking times And part of it was like Rolling up to another village To like marry the chieftain's daughter And you like bring a bunch of jewels If you're like a warlord
Starting point is 00:29:19 and then you trade the jewels for the wife and then the father of the bride gives one of the jewels to the daughter that's getting married off. So that's not really commercial. That's not really love though, is it? That's forced marriage. True.
Starting point is 00:29:35 That's a horrible argument. That's actually a terrible argument. But I was like reading about the origins of the wedding ring and that's like... No, I was talking about the commercialization of love and the advertisement of love. It's been love stories, romance novels, uh the diamond industry of valentine's day that kind of stuff the things that have been
Starting point is 00:29:55 commercialized of brown love have been um it kind of like it marketed to us in a way that was that's palatable but also it it enhanced our desires in a way that i think are on a unrealistic right so it's like for example like when mattie was talking about uh like she feels a certain way if her do look at another female, you know, booty or in front of her, something like that. I don't even know if that's the word she used, right? But it has nothing to do with Maddie. That's just a mindset that permeates throughout our culture. It's like when you're with me, you're with me and you only have eyes for me.
Starting point is 00:30:37 That's part of what's been marketed to us through songs, through movie, through everything. But it's just not realistic. It's just not realistic. I'd argue that that is more, that possessive nature is nature. that's like not something that's marked it's like the jealousy yeah no I would I would agree the jealousy is nature what I wouldn't agree is that the desire to have one person for the rest of life is nature I don't think that's natural at all I think there are I think there are more I think there are absolutely going to be exceptions to the rule but I think for the majority of part if you
Starting point is 00:31:10 really are looking at the same woman now that you look at it when you're 50 and 60 years old and never had eyes for any other woman in your child out I would say you were lying I don't think there's anything wrong with that though but I think you would probably think there's something wrong with that and larger part of society would think there's something wrong with that of you being like I think even the Bible it says if you lust after a woman in your mind that's like a sin or something right
Starting point is 00:31:36 like lustful thoughts are a sin and that's fucking crazy to me like that's but I think of course you're going to have lustful thoughts and view other people but acting on those urges is like not, it's not that crazy to never act on those urges. No, I didn't say that that. So monogamy is not something to be. I think we all aspire for monogamy, for sure.
Starting point is 00:32:03 I just don't think the boundaries that we place on relationships are realistic in our society, especially given this internet boom, where everything is microwaves, where it's like, Like love was proximal back in our parents' days and their parents' days was proximal. So you fell in love with the people that you came in contact with, right? Now you're so much more aware of there's something better. And odds are there probably is and not necessarily better, but something that is more compatible with you. Now, I actually had a different type of argument about this because of the internet monogamy is actually not easier but is harder to work towards
Starting point is 00:32:53 whereas sleeping around and you know because the conquest of a woman quote on quote in like having multiple conquests is now so much easier nowadays just because of you know women can have multiple like it's more accepted that it's almost it's almost
Starting point is 00:33:13 he started to go down a real road there and didn't exactly veer off I think he still don't think he knows. Go ahead, brother, cook. What did I say? No, just cook. Just keep cooking. No, but the whole thing about like the batch, like,
Starting point is 00:33:28 sowing your wild oats at a young age and like sleeping around with tons of people, like is not, it's almost the norm nowadays that monogamy is almost seen to be like more of something to work towards and almost more like, you know, Frank Sinatra, sleeping around with tons of women was really rare in the 30s. And everyone was like, wow, look at this ladies man. Like I want to be like him one day, but like now, but see this is this is where the marketing I think has gotten to you and to people in general is that wasn't that rare how it was very prevalent for for dudes to have like a separate family like that shit. Like that shit happened all the time. Like dudes was always tipping off on their wives. What wasn't necessarily, uh, I think prevalent was for women to have a voice or say. And so they got their voice got trampled a lot back in those days where nowadays they're saying. I don't want to take that shit.
Starting point is 00:34:18 Some of them are saying, I don't want to be locked down. Like, and so that's, that's the bigger part, I think you're trying to. Right. But the second part of that argument I was trying to say is that because of social media, it's harder to sleep around and get away with it because there's so many more lines of communication. Like, like now the, no, I mean, shit, I didn't got caught up before. Right.
Starting point is 00:34:40 It is what it is. Yeah. Yeah. So back in my younger days, when I was an unfaithful man, I got caught up. It happens. But I think running into that makes people more aware that, yeah, you can't really fuck around and get away with it anymore because there's so many, you know, and that even impacts people who are single and are just sleeping with different people around town. Yeah. But also, I think it makes people less eager to get into a relationship because it's like.
Starting point is 00:35:17 Like you said, all of the pitfalls that come with being in a relationship being caught. And plus all the temptation out there. But right. And so there's so much temptation. No, but the deterrent, I think, is almost bigger because it's so much easier to get caught. Like, for example, you wouldn't commit a crime that is very easy to be found out for. So you're in like a high risk, high reward. I think that's, I think that's apples and orange.
Starting point is 00:35:42 I don't think anybody, I don't think, I don't think anybody won't get into relationship because they're like, chances are I'll get caught cheating. I don't think that's... Or if they're in a relationship, they won't cheat because there's a very high probability they get caught in today's age. Yeah, but I don't think... I don't know.
Starting point is 00:36:01 I don't think that... Wait, are you saying that the probability of getting caught is higher and that is the deterrent for not getting in a relationship? No, for keeping people monogamous. see that's the thing though if if that's what's keeping you from being monogamous right right why are you in a relationship no but just on top of you know like when you're way like you know when that when the two wolves or the the devil and the angel on your shoulder are debating stuff like what the devil you know is saying can easily be negated just by like rationality of that fact as opposed to that's these marketed ideals that you are saying are just commercialized that goes to my point my point my point is that monogamy itself is not the most natural thing. Like I said, there are exceptions where people are just love birds and they just
Starting point is 00:36:55 going to die together. And that's what it's beautiful. Right. I think that's what we aspire. It's what we write love songs about. But I just don't think it's the most natural and realistic thing. And so my point, which you just made, is if I'm having these desires to cheat and my motivation to not cheat is I might get caught rather than I don't want to hurt my partner. Right, right. But that is not being ever late. But, but, but, and I agree with you, like, I don't want to hurt my partner is probably
Starting point is 00:37:25 the top one. But when talking about social media's application, yeah, when talking about social media's application to being detrimental to monogamy, I think it also has, you know, a security system, if you will, that like can argue that social media actually, you know, contains it. they're saying social media helps the non-cheating partner
Starting point is 00:37:53 be detective yeah if you will I mean but I'm not saying that's the only reason I'm just saying like social media
Starting point is 00:38:02 has its you know deterrence and provocations I mean I hear you I hear what you're saying don't get what you're saying I just I just don't think
Starting point is 00:38:12 I don't know monogamy itself I have a hard time getting convinced that it's a natural thing and when I say natural meaning we don't have to fight a desire right
Starting point is 00:38:26 it's very natural to breathe I don't have to fight to not breathe right that's very natural so what is being hungry very natural so would you argue polygamy is natural I want to say polygamy
Starting point is 00:38:39 because I think polygamy gets a bad rap in the sense of they think it's just everybody fucking everybody Polygamy has rules it has boundaries it has all these it has different you know social dynamics that I've never been involved in but I've been in conversation with people who are and it's not just cut and dry like you get to fuck whoever you want I get to fuck whoever I want it's not what it is right right but in most of those systems it's you know as Future says he has a collection where it's like a I mean a harem if you will and usually those systems is extremely misogynist and you know misogynist and and it's usually multiple women, one man. Do you think that is the, like, if there is a system, if there is some natural order of things,
Starting point is 00:39:25 would it be something like that? Like, are we going to look at, you know, family structures of certain other animals that are quote unquote natural because monogamy and polygamy both exist in nature? So does homosexuality. So does so many other things that are in the natural order of humans.
Starting point is 00:39:46 So what would we consider the natural way of things? I think when you look at like the animal kingdom, right? I believe that we are animals, right? And there's a hierarchy involved as far as like efficiency, stuff like that.
Starting point is 00:40:03 I believe how we have evolved is very communal. And I think at first it was beneficial to breed just like any other animal. And so we were breeding. I don't think there was much monogamy involved in our origins. I think there may have been pockets.
Starting point is 00:40:23 And honestly, this is actually a really dark part of our, like, history, but I think there was a lot of rape involved in our origins. And so I think that's where misogyny stems from. Misogyny stems from, like, the natural order of things is, whoever carries the bigger stick. That's how we're going. That's how we're rocking. Those are the rules.
Starting point is 00:40:49 You know what I'm saying? I break the rules. I'll do whatever. But I think as we evolved, we found, you know, agriculture, culture, stuff like that. And we have found ways to develop and communicate in which a lot of animals have not, obviously. And so long story short, I think it is efficient for some people to be monogamous.
Starting point is 00:41:19 I think it's inefficient for some people to be monogamous. And I think the data points of that as well. The high rate of divorce shows that. The high rates of domestic violence. All these things show that we're not the emotionally stable creatures that we pretend to be. and it's still very complicated, and I think you should not enter into these things, and me being a perfect example of that, right? I don't have no perfect past, but this is why I'm single right now is because I understand
Starting point is 00:41:50 I have a lot of emotional things to work through, and part of that is jealousy. Part of that is, you know, self-awareness, like all of these things. And I think as we develop that in a higher sense, we start to understand what's better for ourselves. And I aspire and I want a monogamous relationship. But I know I don't, I cannot fulfill my end of the bargain. You know, my last two relationships I did. On one of them, they did it, right? And that jaded me, right? And so it's just a very, it's a complicated cauldron of emotions that I think we're all just kind of sorting out. But I think monogamy in general in a society is a very rare thing.
Starting point is 00:42:35 I don't think it's as prevalent as we think it is. I'd like to think it is. Because, and this is a lot of this is anecdotal. I know a lot of married women out here wilding. I know a lot of married dudes out here wilder. And it's just, what is the point? I'm seeing as like the crazy, you know, middle-aged single cat. But I'm like, all right.
Starting point is 00:43:01 But you think you're more, I'm being. You're real. You're being more real. I don't want to put real in that I'm being a truer sense of myself, you know, that I know that I can be honorable, right? Because when I was younger, I was trying to fulfill a role in which I thought that myself and society wanted me to fulfill, right? And I was I was not emotionally able to fulfill that role. And then when I got to the point where I was able to understand what I was able to, if I'm going to say something, I should be able to fulfill that. then I should stop putting all of these, um, uh, expectations on myself, right?
Starting point is 00:43:40 I just be single, right? And so my last two relationships, I didn't cheat, um, but I was unable to fulfill a lot of the roles emotionally, right? Like, so like when you come home, for example, like when you come home and you just checked out, right? Like, it's like emotionally neglectful to be like, I don't feel like dealing with nothing. I don't care what's going on with you right now. Like, I got my own shit.
Starting point is 00:44:05 I had to understand that that was negatively affecting somebody else. You know what I mean? And so, like, when you're in a relationship, you know, if I don't got 20, like, you've got to meet me 80. And I was no longer willing to have that tug of war. You know what I mean? I was no longer willing. And I understood that. And so physically, emotionally, all this stuff, it's not about me being real or not.
Starting point is 00:44:25 It's me finally understanding what I was able to give in a relationship. And I'm, I just, I'm not able to give until I feel like I'm in a better place emotionally. So now, with that being like some, you know, some people, monogamy is preferred, some people, you're unable to, you know, give in those positions and do the whole tug of war. How does that, now this might, I want this to sound, I wanted this to sound generalized and not too personal, but like, does that mean that in, any relationship there's also that tug of war because in relationships with your parents your brothers sisters family friends like there is that same tug of war but at the end of the day friends you can you know lose path like you can cut off but like family you can also cut off but like you're still maintaining relationships every day like i think i think it's it's easier to say
Starting point is 00:45:29 boundaries with people you don't share the same space with. You know what I mean? So if like if we're living in the same house, our boundaries have to be metaphorical. You know what I mean? Our boundaries aren't physical because like we share the same space. And so like when I got a friend who is constantly asking me for money or something like that, I could tell them, hey, listen, when you do this, it makes me feel like this and it makes me feel like you don't value this. And you know what I'm saying? That's a boundary I'm setting for that. When you ask me for something, I cannot give you that. Or I feel like that is, our friendship should not be contingent on, on that, right? That's a boundary that I set, right? But when we're in the same household,
Starting point is 00:46:10 like a lot of the boundaries are different. The boundaries are real. The boundaries could be like, yo, I cannot stand when you leave towels in the bathroom. Like, that shit bothers the fuck out of me. And it might not end your relationship, but that can lead to, I don't like the towels. I don't like how you leave the dishes out. I don't like how you try to wake me up, you know, in the morning. And the list adds on to the kids to the point. I can't take this shit anymore. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:46:36 And those are the boundaries that are harder to set when you're occupying the same space. When you're not in the same space, it's easier to set those boundaries. And most of the time, if you have a good friend who's emotionally halfway emotionally aware, they'll respect those boundaries. You're like, I, you know what? I understand. But when you're in the same space, there's little wars that go on all day long. And you have to, you have to, it's a give and take. My stepdad says this shit, because he's a little more old school than I am, right?
Starting point is 00:47:06 I'm, I'm a little more like therapy. Like I use a lot of therapy words and like, you know, I've been through a lot of therapy. So, but my, my stepdad would be like, 80, 20. I was like, what's that mean? What's that mean, man? He goes 80 20 20. He's like, you got to cut, you get to say, you got to draw the line. You got to be 80% of the shit that you're willing to take, 20% should not.
Starting point is 00:47:24 He's like, you got to draw that line. I was like that's that's fair for his age like he just there's some shit you've got to be able to take some shit that you can't which is which isn't the sense of boundary well so Barbie and Ken will probably not work out in the long run according to Aryan Foster
Starting point is 00:47:42 I don't know man hope they work it out man that was a hard left from Barbie but I do think you'll you should see Barbie area it would be really funny if there's a scene and they like it's like a Uh, it, how, what's it rated? I think PG-G, got to be.
Starting point is 00:47:59 It would be really funny if they, like, it probably is PG-13. They take their clothes off and they're like the dolls, they're smooth. That'd be funny. Oh, I bet. It's a shit happened on, um, it's PG-13. It should happen on Black Mirror, actually. Don't, don't tell me. No, not on the new one.
Starting point is 00:48:13 It's not the new one. I've literally got plans to watch it tonight. It's not the, it's not the new one. It's the old one. Okay. Okay. The old one with the Starfleet, on Starfleet. Oh, yeah. When he's like trapped in,
Starting point is 00:48:25 his little game they don't have any they don't have any private parts and he just slaps it have you watched all the new ones no i haven't watched any oh really yeah no and i'm actually i want to talk about i don't know why but yeah i thought you i thought you were excited i guess not no i've really been tapped out man i've been doing so much golfing like it's summertime so i got my kids a lot so i've been like daddy shit you know what i'm saying like swimming and this i got a vacation place like a lot of daddy shit. You're sounding a little well.
Starting point is 00:48:58 Can't stop playing golf. Swimming? Oh, I'm washed. I've been washed. No, no, no, no. Well, well, washed in a sense. Well, me and you.
Starting point is 00:49:11 Oh, you're saying white? She didn't say that sound white. A little. Hey, man. There's not a lot of shit to do nowadays. you go golf you know what I ain't into the club scene no more it's just not a lot of shit to do man you know what I mean to America's coming for this fun gonna be one
Starting point is 00:49:34 eventually that's why that's what I say you know class and race is highly highly into woven but that's a topic for another conversation um are you gonna are you gonna see Oppenheimer though I hadn't planned on it um but if y'all if y'all hype in it it's supposed to be sick like that it's supposed to rain this weekend so they come out next weekend
Starting point is 00:49:57 never mind well this weekend it's supposed to rain in the northeast so good time to watch black mirror we're all gonna watch it
Starting point is 00:50:06 by the time the nanodose comes around and maybe we'll talk about it no I thought we I thought we was doing the Bible thing
Starting point is 00:50:12 on a nanodost man well now PFT's who knows when he's coming back he's you know ambles macrodosing is in shambles no it's not weird we'll do it
Starting point is 00:50:21 We'll do it on Monday regardless of who's here. Yeah. The Bible jump. So he's going to miss Genesis, the origins. Yeah, he might be back. I don't know. We don't know. He's off on his.
Starting point is 00:50:35 Big T and I will be talking about Black Mirror. But we are our episode topics. We have three good ones coming up that we all really want to do, but they got kind of thrown out of whack because we didn't know PFT was going to be gone this week. So we're doing the Kim Trails thing. Today, American Revolution, we want to do Oppenheimer and then potentially Boston Marathon, even though Boston Marathon bombing, even though Arrian has pushed back on that saying it's boring. But I promise, if you look into it, it is, they had a shootout in the middle of a residential neighborhood looking for these dudes. It's crazy. I've been getting some crazy DMs. We have a lot of Boston based bros who were around the age of some of these guys. And I have some firsthand accounts of the brothers. Aaron, I promise we've done. some boring stories on this show this is not boring
Starting point is 00:51:24 okay I mean I'm open I just all right I haven't looked into it and what was the most what was the most boring oh I'd have to go back and look but we've had some I can think of one off the top of the head you do several hundred episodes of a show
Starting point is 00:51:41 like you're going to have some duds Aaron and I think of the same exactly I gotta go back and look what's yours Maddie what's yours everybody say the worst episode right now. Microplastics. Bro,
Starting point is 00:51:54 microplastics. We love Chief. We love Chief is very good. A great dude. He's probably going to have, he'll probably be on this show again in Chicago. Microplastics is probably a source of like a tons of mental health issues across the country.
Starting point is 00:52:08 Boring. You're not wrong. Yeah. That shit was boring. Right. I was on the show. I was on a show like, Hey, yo.
Starting point is 00:52:16 Yo. We got to crack a joke of something. Somebody. I don't stop. Make it fun of it do, right? Because it was boring. And Dante was on, too. I love both of them.
Starting point is 00:52:26 It helped build our podcast. We got some Barstall, Chicago listeners. They're a great group of guys. There's some big stuff coming down the... It's nothing to do with them. It was just our worst episode. We've had another bad episode back. Maybe nobody was on.
Starting point is 00:52:44 If you podcast two times a week for three plus years, you're going to have some days where it's like, it's like worse. you have some bad days man it is what it is right and I'm sure I'm sure the viewers agree that some episodes are good for them
Starting point is 00:53:00 some are not microplastics was bad for me though I knew you were going to say the same thing it was hard dog what was your speaking I'm going through them right now I'm in October of 2021 there's a couple that like
Starting point is 00:53:15 have had guests and I don't want to disrespect the guests were appreciative of anyone that wants to come on this show, but some are better than others. We shouldn't just shit on our own show on our show. I mean, it's better us.
Starting point is 00:53:27 It's better us doing it than other people. Yeah, no, we admit our fault. The worst ones being, that's being, that's being honest, if you think we put out all bangers
Starting point is 00:53:35 and it's just nonstop, amazing content, non-s, you're lying. I don't remember, we did one about credit. Was that interesting at all? I think it was more informative.
Starting point is 00:53:48 That's when you and I, when, you were like I don't have a credit card I don't have a credit score I have a great credit score Oh let me tell you my credit score nowadays guys I have a great credit score because I don't have credit cards Let me you know and I got a big boy credit card too
Starting point is 00:54:04 Yeah Oh talk that talk that credit shit bill Yeah I pay my bills Yeah That's actually a huge flex Yeah but it's 785 That's really good though Yeah
Starting point is 00:54:19 It was not that during the time, but at filming. I think Billy's was zero during the time of filming. I didn't have a credit. Anything else you're finding in there? Well, now I got to go on Experian and see. Mine's right around there, but it's got to be higher than Billy's. I have to have it be higher. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:54:35 Damn. Okay, okay, hold on, no. You brought you, I know you have the highest. I know you have the highest. Yeah, mine is. Wait, what was yours? 785. Oh, damn.
Starting point is 00:54:43 Mine's 721. I think mine's 720 something, yeah. Oh, man. It's just because I don't spend my money. Yeah, actually, I once had really bad credit. There was a time. I know when I was coming out, when I was coming out of college, it was in the
Starting point is 00:54:56 500s. Yeah. There's 500s, but it's because there's some project shit. My mother, I don't know if y'all can relate to anything. It's probably not though, but I know there's some listeners I can't. My mother and my father, bless their hearts, love them to death. When we was growing up, they put a couple I put a phone bill and I think a cable bill
Starting point is 00:55:17 in my name. when we was growing up because they shit was so fucked up. So they put it in my name and that went delinquent. And so I had that shit on my credit score when I came out of college unbeknownst to me. And so my money manager calls me when I first get into the league and he goes, hey, yo, what is MCI? I have no idea. He's like, why is MCI on your credit?
Starting point is 00:55:40 I was like, I don't know what MCI is. I have no idea. He's like, it's a phone bill from like 94 or something. I was like, I got to be moms and dads, bro. like there's no way this is like y'all probably don't know nothing about this but this happens all the time in the black community or like they just put
Starting point is 00:55:54 phone bills in their kids names but shout out to the hey shout out to y'all do what y'all got to do Billy what did you say yours was 785 fuck 776 damn
Starting point is 00:56:06 well I just make three different ones though isn't there yeah yeah Experian is the main one but I just don't spend money but it's not um conducive to a good credit score she's paying your bills and paying your credit part of
Starting point is 00:56:24 yeah um sorry to flex on all of you with credit issues uh please check our credit please check our credit podcast arian does a great job explaining how to get your credit score up the scores change you can raise it yeah it's just because you have bad credit now doesn't mean you have to have bad credit forever
Starting point is 00:56:42 pull yourself up by your bootstraps you should try to get Dave Ramsey on this show Oh, my God. Didn't he just, didn't he just get like? I actually think he is being sued for something right now. Uh, I saw a headline. I didn't. It was something.
Starting point is 00:56:57 He was promoting some sort of company that was fraudulent or something. Here. Outstanding TikToks, though. Some of the people that call into Dave Ramsey. Oh, it's that guy. Mm-hmm. Oh, I love his TikToks. Big UT fan.
Starting point is 00:57:11 Oh, he love his TikToks. Yeah, he came and talked to us one time. Is he the old bald dude? Yeah. Yep. With the go. that's like kind of sounds like that
Starting point is 00:57:21 yeah he not all of his ideas are like amazing but for the most part he has he has some good plans he's always yelling some shit uh yeah he's being uh sued for 150 million dollars for promoting a company accused of fraud yeah what's the company
Starting point is 00:57:38 uh claims ramsry received more than 30 million between 2015 to 2021 to promote time share exit team on the rams show. The Washington State-based company, which now operates as Reed Hine and Associates, allegedly promised to help customers terminate their timeshare contracts, which are notoriously difficult to exit. Dave Ramsey's not the bald old guy I was thinking of. There's another one. He's definitely a bald old guy. Who looks a little scarier and he wears like a monocle.
Starting point is 00:58:05 Are you talking about the guy? I know who he's talking about. I don't know what his name is. Yeah. But he's on TikTok and he's like, if you knew who started Bitcoin, you would you would sell it as fast as you can. Is that who you're talking about? Yeah. Yeah, I don't know what his name is. He's a big like, Gary V?
Starting point is 00:58:23 Huh? Gary Vee? No, no, no, no. This guy's scary. Also, that guy's not bald. He's got probably got a little hair. I think he has a lot of hair. No, no, that's, no.
Starting point is 00:58:34 I saw him today. He came up on my TikTok today. This guy's like old and he looks kind of like a fatter Mr. Burns. Anyway. Also, my credit score is 762. That's pretty good. Nice. It's good stuff.
Starting point is 00:58:49 Oh, good credit scores. I'm embarrassed of mine now. What's it? Start with. Seven. Man, it's good. Yeah, yeah, okay. We're just flexing on, you know, we're just really showing our privilege right now.
Starting point is 00:59:03 I'm sorry. Doesn't mean I'm rich. This probably sounds really dushy to some people. Does not mean I am rich. But Tucker Carlson had Andrew Tate on for an interview. Tell me you listen to that. Shit. He was listening to it when I came in. I wanted to see. I watched it. So you guys didn't. Perfect. Give us the synops. So Andrew Tate basically says that the reason he's being, you know, being held under their house arrest was imprisoned is because they're classifying. So this is what he said. They're classifying him, uh, taking in charge of the financials of his quote unquote friends TikTok account.
Starting point is 00:59:46 counts is human trafficking, which sounds like a roundabout way of he's like managing these girls TikToks who he claims are his friends, but are probably his employees. And like if you think about those by him classifying them his friends, he probably transported those women to Romania in order to be his employees. And then he handled the financials of their TikToks. And I think there's a roundabout way you can classify that as human trafficking. Okay. But that's his claims. But also, he says that the women are his friends and are saying they're not victims,
Starting point is 01:00:31 but apparently under human trafficking laws, like they can, even if the victim says they're not victims, they can still press the charges. I don't know if any of that's true. That's just what I saw on the interview. Yeah, I don't know nor care enough to dig into that case. I've heard enough of his shit to where I'm like, I'm cool off. I know I follow this one dude on, excuse me, on YouTube that does a lot of like deep dives, video essays kind of.
Starting point is 01:01:06 And he did one on Andrew Tate. And so he did one. Actually, it was, what is his name? he breaks down and he like uncovers like crypto scams Vsauce no oh he's the one who got
Starting point is 01:01:21 Jake Paul yes Spinzilla or whatever like he's fucking fired dog I recommend him I don't know his exact name I don't think it's Spinzella or something but so he actually subscribed to his
Starting point is 01:01:35 Hustlers University thing he actually did it and long story sure I guess basically what it is It's just like a same shit. They give you like access to like some discord, which is like quote unquote teachers of like how to get money, how to invest and move to move.
Starting point is 01:01:53 He's like it's all a bunch of bullshit. But like I said, I didn't. And a lot of the stuff he says like the hyper masculinity, toxic masculine shit that he says is like marketing for it. And they pray on like, you know, dudes with not a lot of guidance. And it makes sense for them. and dudes that feel left out and dudes that feel this
Starting point is 01:02:14 and sells something like that the YouTuber's coffee zilla I just pulled them up coffee zilla yeah yeah yeah he's he does a fantastic job
Starting point is 01:02:24 of breaking a lot of like crypto stuff down he's taking a lot of like scams down like literally court like took it like they take his investigation that goes to court like that type shit he does a really good job
Starting point is 01:02:37 of breaking that shit down but anyway like so I don't know enough about buddy and I don't really care enough about but from what I've heard that sounds like bullshit because I heard um and I could be wrong because I haven't done enough uh research on it but I've heard like he was I don't even want to get into it because I haven't yeah I watched that video more that you know Andrew Tate's got basically a pyramid scheme to promote him um which I don't know if it's illegal but coffee zeal come on the podcast
Starting point is 01:03:11 please tell us where we're missing um fire one to get he's good uh oh crazy story uh a russian military guy got assassinated and they used his jogging he like you know those jogging apps that post your runs like strava strava yeah you got assassinated because he had his runs on strava and they tracked him yeah the ukraine yeah he got popped oh my god that's wild so hold on He has an app on, like, I'm assuming his watcher his phone. Yeah. That tracks his movement when he's jogging. Yes.
Starting point is 01:03:47 Strava. After it's done. After it's done. But then if you can see if they're taking. So. He has a routine. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:03:56 So Strava. So it's really funny because on Strava, so it was a Russian submarine commander. He was assassinated on his run. And one of the people who liked the post was the chief of intelligence of Ukraine. which is just that's funny as shit actually just just scrolling on his timeline
Starting point is 01:04:18 like pretty dope like that's wild was there was there anything else of importance in that Tucker Carlson tape interview
Starting point is 01:04:30 I'm only 45 minutes in and they're just talking about his philosophy how he's yeah he's like the only thing I did wrong was tell men that they can just say no
Starting point is 01:04:39 to I don't know I don't want to sound like I'm banging for him I just watched it because I thought it would be something of importance yeah
Starting point is 01:04:50 well I'm glad you did the dirty work man let us know how it finishes up probably with him in jail in a Ukraine in a Russian prison no no
Starting point is 01:05:01 a Romanian prison that's wild Big T you you teed off about anything man just these fucking planes, dude. Where's Mayor Pete?
Starting point is 01:05:11 Show your face. He's the head of what? Transport. What is the title? He's the Secretary of Transportation. Yeah. Have we had any statement from him or his department? No. Nothing. Because I look.
Starting point is 01:05:24 And this is the fifth or sixth major airline outage. You know, fuck up under his watch. Granted, obviously, not all his fault. However, I mean, I don't remember. there being this many previously I mean I think there's been to be fair there's been
Starting point is 01:05:46 delays and stuff in the time yeah yeah yeah but there's been four or five like major week long fuck ups and just keeps happening they said it was weather
Starting point is 01:06:00 that seems to be just like patently untrue I heard some I saw some pilot or retired pilot on Twitter saying stuff that I didn't really understand about air traffic control. So I'm not sure exactly what's going on with that. But that seems to be potentially the source of all these outages.
Starting point is 01:06:21 I don't know. I just want Mayor Pete to show his face. It'd be a great time to have like someone who's obsessed with airplanes to be on the podcast, you know. Who do you have in mind, Billy? I don't know. I don't know. I honestly don't know what he's getting at either. They must be so obsessed with airplanes that they probably.
Starting point is 01:06:38 hopped on one a little early Oh, premature hop on an airplane, jet setting, you know, if someone who's really obsessed with airplanes like got a little money, they'd probably like do a lot of airplane stuff, right? Yeah. Probably, really. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:06:54 So true. For those who that went over your head, he's talking about BFT. Probably flew first class. Yeah, definitely. So I mean, does the Secretary of Transportation ever make statement
Starting point is 01:07:08 in lieu of like delays like this? Well he, so when Southwest had their major, like where their entire system shut down, which was their fault, like he came out and was like, we need more, you know, legislation, you know, making sure that all this infrastructure is, you know, up to par and that everybody's on a level playing field, this, that, and the other. And now that there's apparently just like no air traffic controllers or whatever the deal is, he's nowhere to be found. I just want to know where he is. Is he in South Bend? Is he in Washington? Where is Mayor Pete? Somebody show me, get me a visual on Mayor Pete.
Starting point is 01:07:45 That's all I ask. Checking the... I want to know if he's in the office. Checking the opposite tabloids. I'm out on him now. After my experience, I'm out on Pete Buttigieg. Single issue voter? I couldn't vote for him.
Starting point is 01:07:59 He was appointed, but... That was bad. ...flies on taxpayer-funded private jets. flight data show. You could have guessed. I'm turning to big T's slowly. Okay.
Starting point is 01:08:16 I mean, we've talked about this before, but data show and data shows. You know what I mean? People put data as plural. It is technically plural.
Starting point is 01:08:31 So I know it is, but like it don't sound right to me. I would say, the data shows yeah yeah the data says but people say the data say but i just i hate that that technically is correct a thousand percent correct i'm just saying i feel like it's elitist when you do that i agree like if you say um like if you were to say if i were to say aryan so much better at football than me that's actually wrong you would say aryan's better at football than i but like if you say
Starting point is 01:09:01 because you would say better than i am but if you say that you sound like a piece of shit so you just say the way people say it yeah I guess I'm a little elitist when it comes to that too in a different way so my Siri
Starting point is 01:09:16 I have her in a British voice it's wild so like anytime I ask Siri to think she she's British and every time I do it around people they're like what the fuck why she's British I'm like they sound smarter to me I don't know
Starting point is 01:09:30 it just sounds so so when I ask Siri something it sounds more reliable coming from a British person Let me be a little elitist right there That's that's classist because the Siri British accent is posh English I don't know I couldn't tell you the difference between any of the accents
Starting point is 01:09:47 Well have you heard like Cockney or like Grime rap It's hard for me listening to grime rap man I don't keep with a butt Do you want to That shit sounds so wet to Pull up with Stanley Like what's up bro
Starting point is 01:10:03 Walking up with the I'm just like I can't I respect wherever you from and I'm there's struggle everywhere. Roadman. It's so, it's so tough for me to look at it. Like, I'd be like, nah,
Starting point is 01:10:14 but you know it's so funny. It's so funny. I was talking to troops and troops was like, we're roadman from the road. And I was like, what? Oh, yeah. It's like they mean the streets. Like I'm from the streets.
Starting point is 01:10:25 Like I'm from the roadman. The road. Cobbles. Cobblestone. You almost sound Jamaican when you're saying. Well, there's a little of that influence. Is that the same as like that song that was like on TikTok's like,
Starting point is 01:10:35 How can I be homophobic? My bitch is gay. That's crime rap. Okay. But I think that guy might be, I don't know who, there was a grime rapper who was doing as a joke who then became. Or that's Central C, isn't that?
Starting point is 01:10:49 No, is that Big Shack? Because there was a grime rapper who was rapping as a joke that then became popular because Americans didn't understand that he was doing parody because they just heard grime. I did find a tweet from one member of the administration about planes in the last 24 hours. You want to know what it says? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:11:10 This is from Kamala Harris. This is her real account. I checked four times. The majority of domestic flights do not have accessible restrooms. This is absolutely unacceptable. Our administration will soon announce a solution to help end this inequity. I'm glad to see we're getting to the real problems with air travel. Wait, when she says accessible, does she mean like?
Starting point is 01:11:32 I think like wheelchair, I guess. Oh, okay. which absolutely love like uh them shit's small bro yeah yeah i mean we don't have big t accessible restrooms on planes either so hey we don't have medium area in ones either i'd be in a plane pissing with my head sideways like this oh it's outrageous i can imagine how you be in that oh i'll i will damn near piss my pants before i'll go it has to be a dire emergency when i went to London, obviously seven hours. I just had to at some point.
Starting point is 01:12:07 I was like, fuck, this is going to suck so bad. Sometimes I have to pee sideways. And that's much more complicated than you think. Totally. Okay. Yep. But yeah, when I went to London is probably the only time in the last years, at least, that I've used a bathroom on a plane.
Starting point is 01:12:30 Yeah. I mean, I'll do it a lot because usually I, I drink on a plane you get drunker maybe it's a myth is that true it might be true I don't know
Starting point is 01:12:38 but I'd be getting lit on planes yeah true I got pretty lit watching UFC on a plane Saturday night
Starting point is 01:12:46 yeah so I don't know if it's true or not it could be but like yeah I gotta do it sideways where I'm like this
Starting point is 01:12:53 like my head like the roof like this on the right side of my head and I'm like this so like I couldn't imagine well you 65
Starting point is 01:12:59 66 yeah yeah so I got, whew, that's a tight squeeze with you, though. I always find them too skinny. So I turn sideways and put my leg up on, like, the seat cover and then stand on. Skinny. Hold on, Billy.
Starting point is 01:13:17 Stand on one leg and pee sideways. You be the reason there's pee all over the floor. Hey, there's small bathrooms. You know, one time I was the first one to use the bathroom on a plane. And usually, like, you know, there's pee all over the floor on the, you know what I'm saying, on the bottom of the seat. And not the seat, but like, you know, the floor floor. And usually I'd be like, how do people miss this shit, right? And so I peed, I did my thing and I washed my hands.
Starting point is 01:13:48 And as I move my hands to go get the little, you know, the towels, there was water dripping all over the floor. And it looked like pee. And I was like, you know, that might be a big cause. I mean, it could be pee, but it could be a lot of, you know, drippage from the from the hand washing so or the non potable water what's that did I say that wrong you know that how it's like don't drink the water in airplanes it's non potable potable potable I didn't even heard of either one of those I think it just means you can't drink it I hold on are you drinking it out of the faucet yeah you're not
Starting point is 01:14:25 supposed to do that why would you do that no no no they tell you not to do that well who would go to the bathroom to get a sip of water. I had someone who didn't want to buy water. What the fuck? I never heard of that. I just remember like the first time I was an airplane, just like seeing that sign and be like, what the hell does that mean? I didn't know that there were people genuinely thinking about going to the faucet and getting water from the, that's, that's kind of crazy. Little kids.
Starting point is 01:14:58 Teach their own, man. Chase their own. All right, man. have anything else before we hop into today's subject? Well, you know what? It's the summer and during the summer, Alex, go to baseball games and yours is the best place to get your tickets for baseball games.
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Starting point is 01:16:54 Today's topic is, I thought it was going to be a little more boring then when I originally started researching it was, um, it's, it's Kim Trails. Kim Trails, uh, because I thought it was just be like a one-off, but like, there's a lot of stuff in here that's pretty, pretty interesting, man. So I think, uh, a good way to kick it off is, well, first, what everybody, whatever, before we get into what it is, does everybody have, I want to get everybody's idea of what they thought it was blindly without researching it. What everybody think that chemtrails were so i was introduced to kem trails it was really uh the first
Starting point is 01:17:36 conspiracy that introduced me to conspiracy people there's like there's people who think that the airplane tracks are are dangerous and in my brain for some reason airplanes making tracks just made sense because if you're moving through anything you know a ship leaves awake you know a car leaves tire tracks and the airplane leaves you know those white things in the sky and they're they're just airplane tracks about you big t yeah i mean i pretty much knew what it was the basic gist of it i i think huh i was going to say like when you heard chemtra was like what was the first like what was your introduction to what those were i don't necessarily remember the first time i heard it i you know it comes up every now and then i feel it's
Starting point is 01:18:26 like a, it's a pretty wacko conspiracy. Like when someone's trying to brand you as a conspiracy theorist, they'll throw out like Kim Trails. It's like Flat Earth and Kim Trails. Yeah. But like I had a general like sense of what it is. It was an OG conspiracy theory. It was one of the first. I think this predated like internet type vibes because I remember in middle, when I was in middle school, so this was like, oh, 98, ish, 99. something. A lot of, a lot of my friend group was talking about, I don't know how I got to them. I don't know where they got it from, but they were like, look at those things. That's the
Starting point is 01:19:04 government flying stuff over and putting chemicals in the air. And I was like, say word. Like, you know what I was? I was quick to say fuck the government back in those days. Well, it's still in today. But having a reason back then, I was really interested in it. And there wasn't a lot of places or sources for information. So a lot of the shit that we grew up thinking was true, um, there was no way to debunk it. And so for years, I actually believed this. Um, not to any extent where I was willing to die for, but I was like, I just thought it was like common knowledge, like amongst, you know, people in the know, quote unquote, that like government puts chemicals over the air. Now, what exactly those chemicals were? Of course,
Starting point is 01:19:44 we never got into the details of it. What the chemicals did? Never got into details of that. I mean, you know, I wasn't a skeptic to that degree back then. What's up? Now, we won't, we'll get into it a little later after we get into chemtrails, but the government has done that. The government has put chemicals in the air, has tested weapons on its citizens, and we can get into that a little later. But the original, you know, the original genesis of the widespread chem trail conspiracy, it started on early message boards, but it really got popularized by a late night radio host. named Art Bell in 1999. So he had people called Richard Fink and William Thomas who were internet forum conspiracy people
Starting point is 01:20:37 who he brought a lot of their forum thinking to the mainstream on his late night show. And that's really what started, you know, broadcasting it across the nation. Yeah. So that's when I first heard of it. And that's how, I mean, think about how quick that shit spread,
Starting point is 01:20:53 especially because those are the early days of message boards right message boards weren't like social media to where it's like you have three or four main platforms and everybody kind of goes to that to see what's going on and now you have your little pocket of information a little pocket of community that you kind of vibe and stick to and even though that was a little community that shit made it to me in a middle school in albuquerque new me um uh if you want if you If you want to hop on the details of it, Billy, you can go ahead. I just have a few points that I want to stick on. But if you want to hop on, I know you always got bullet points and shit.
Starting point is 01:21:34 A lot of the, when the conspiracy was spread online, they'd use a lot of pictures of test planes. So when planes are being new models of planes are being tested, they tend to, instead of using humans to simulate weight. distribution they use water in tanks because that tends to move around much like humans do and it's weird to say that but for example when a plane turns right humans will lean with it because of the momentum and water will kind of do the same thing so a lot of these pictures of these test flights were used by conspiracy theorists to be like look these are the tanks in these look like civilian planes, but they're really filled with tanks and with chemicals. But a quick research can show you that they're just
Starting point is 01:22:32 testing weight imbalances on planes during a flight. I sent a picture to the group chat. Hopefully you can throw that in YouTube. But that was a huge part of it. So Edward Snowden on the Joe Rogan podcast said that he had
Starting point is 01:22:50 access to so many files. to everything bad that the government was doing and he did not find anything that indicated chemtrails were real. Yeah. I didn't, I didn't, I didn't, I didn't, I didn't, I don't remember that reference because that's dope. I think, I think one of the ones that that tip me off,
Starting point is 01:23:09 like, that was like interesting and shit that I did not know previous to researchers was that they actually do and in Beijing in 2008, uh, the Chinese government did this to try to keep, keep rain from going over the Olympics is they do something called cloud seating. So cloud seating is basically when they, what is the chemicals? I had to pull that. It is silver iodide. So they fire rockets and shells loaded with silver iodide into them. And it essentially gets like moisture in the air to come to.
Starting point is 01:23:52 together and it makes clouds and so they cloud seed to disperse the cloud i don't know the 100% science behind it but in a sense and if you could explain it better than me brother go ahead but in a sense that's basically what they do so we actually had a conspiracy that our school was cloud seeding uh wild one but apparently you can cloud seed for like 10,000 dollars you can cloud seed individual places for weddings to make sure that the day of it's it's nice out so the silver iodide gets spread by an airplane and apparently all the moisture in the air it like triggers
Starting point is 01:24:27 the way it was explained to me it was like the air is pregnant with water and the silver iodide triggers the water to be birthed onto the earth I don't know like So you make it rain before you don't you want it to not rain so that it can't rain because there's no more moisture in the air
Starting point is 01:24:44 that was a really weird way the people explained it to me now that I think about it Yeah. But so it's like it's like cost effective. So we had this theory that our school was doing it on admission days because it was in this valley and it would just be like wet and dreary for a lot of the time. And like we'd get like five feet of snow every winter. But then like one day in spring, it would just be like shitty for two weeks. And then the one day it's just beautiful. And it's the same day that like admitted students get to check it out. And we were thinking that they're they're paying up to cloud sea. and that's and so like when you to like a to a layman out there who has never heard it because that was news to me I didn't know anything about cloud seating before and I was like that's that's actually wild and so a lot of different you know concoction of thoughts can come if you if you start from that premise that the government is controlling the weather which in a sense
Starting point is 01:25:46 is what's happening, but not, not really. Like, they can't, like, if the government could control the weather, they would obviously stop hurricanes. And seeing, this is where the conspiracy mind will take you. It's like, well, the government is causing hurricanes. The government is causing tornadoes. And so that's when it gets, like, really dangerous. But Kim Trails, I don't want to go off too far without a saying,
Starting point is 01:26:13 it's not a thing. Kim trails are obviously what they would be classified as Contrails, which is condensation in the air, which is, again, the science is not a scientist, but the heat exhaustion from the plane comes out in a cool atmosphere and it leaves that trail of condensation. Like that's what the scientific explanation is. It makes sense to me. I said, I'm not a scientist. go ahead bill contrails form as moisture in the air condenses and freezes around soot particles and jet engine exhaust in certain conditions contrails can spread and merge forming thin c i r r u s clouds covering thousands of square miles they can persist for hours and warm the atmosphere so there is a global warming impact by contrails but it's not dangerous to the people below yeah so they're saying like it is combustible engines in the air are a cause for global warming
Starting point is 01:27:21 but the actual things that they leave is not I think there was actually an argument too from one of the articles I was reading from a science outlet was saying that even if you were to spray chemicals that high in the air that they couldn't make their way down depending on the chemicals but I don't think they could they could make their way down and affect people in the way that the conspiracy lends itself to be.
Starting point is 01:27:52 But there's been study after study about these. I think one of the more popular ones was the Carnegie study. I don't know if you ran across that one. Did you run across that one? And I think it was in 2016. I'm not mistaken. There was a Carnegie study where they took. they literally went after this exact concept.
Starting point is 01:28:16 They said we wanted to establish a scientific record on the topic of secret atmospheric spraying programs for the benefit of those in public who haven't made up their minds, said Stephen Davis of UC Irvine. The experts, we surveyed resoundingly rejected contrail photographs and test results as evidence of large-scale atmospheric conspiracy. So it actually has been studied by a lot of people, and that is never. enough for people who believe conspiracy they're they're always in it but but i was looking at a harvard study and just like all the all the big institutions that had actually researched it it's kind of sketchy because they are all the institutions that are sometimes the bad guys and conspiracies being like the the the carnegie's and the rock fellers and harvard as a whole but it is pretty
Starting point is 01:29:05 debunked another uh part of the kem trail conspiracy is that the united states air force published in 1996, a report about weather modification and that sort of included some of these cloud seeding notions and then another impact of just people not knowing science is that
Starting point is 01:29:25 contrails rather tend to look different depending on the climate of the thousands of feet up in the air they're taking place so sometimes some contrails will look wider than others or they'll have different
Starting point is 01:29:41 patterns and that's totally dependent on the wind up there, the humidity, the dryness, the temperature, and it causes the contrails to take different forms. So people would see different,
Starting point is 01:29:57 they'd be like, look, that doesn't look like a regular contrail, that must be something different. That must be one of the chemical spraying planes, which would fuel the conspiracy. Can I say about Kim Trails, though? A lot of conspiracy theory. uh pretty dumb like flat earth it's just not flat like it just isn't kim trails good conspiracy theory i don't think it's a bad one this is why it was kind of intriguing to me i'm like it would
Starting point is 01:30:23 be it would behoove the government to do the things that people who think kim trail's real are accusing them of doing i think it like and so what does it for me is like i think there's there's more efficient ways to do it than that right well yeah they control the media what I think there's even more efficient ways. Mind control, just do it. Everybody, everybody showers. If you're going to do it, do it through our water system. I think Alex Jones is on that, the fluoride.
Starting point is 01:30:51 There you go. That makes more sense than doing it in the air. But what threw me for a loop was this cloud seeding thing. That really, like if I am a conspiracy theorist, I don't know how I get past that, that the government controls weather. Like, I don't think they control whether, like, they do it for different things. They can, they can kind of push a rainstorm, like to help droughts. They can do these kind of things, which I didn't know it was possible.
Starting point is 01:31:24 I had no idea. And that is a wild notion. And granted, I have not looked into that aspect of it deeply enough to make any kind of, like, poll conclusions. but the fact that they can manipulate matter in the way that can I mean manifest weather
Starting point is 01:31:50 that's interesting it's just an interesting thing it's not just our government that does that China does that I'm sure there are many other governments that have utilized this technology it's fascinating I don't know what else is that that is a fascinating
Starting point is 01:32:07 aspect to this conspiracy that blew my mind when I first started researching. But you know what's wild? The U.S. government has sprayed stuff on the U.S. population. Yeah, yeah. Get into that. So the U.S. government did Operation
Starting point is 01:32:23 LAC, standing for large area coverage. And it was a United States Army chemical corpse operation which dispersed microscopic zinc cadmium sulfide particles over much of the United States and Canada in order to test dispersal patterns in geographic range of chemical or biological weapons.
Starting point is 01:32:42 So there were several tests that occurred where they sprayed these chemicals from C-119 flying box cars, which if you were a plane enthusiast, you'd probably be able to give us more information about. The first one was in September 1950. Six simulated attacks were conducted on the San Francisco Bay Area. It was concluded that it was feasible to attack a seaport city with biological aerosol agents from a ship offshore. In 1952, five trials were conducted off the coast of South Carolina and Georgia,
Starting point is 01:33:14 and it was concluded that long-range aerosol clouds could contain hundreds of miles of travel and large area coverage when disseminated from ground level under certain meteorological conditions. And then in 1957, they did it in the North Sea east of Britain. So they not only did in the U.S., they did it in Britain and in Canada. and then the Army admitted to spraying in Minnesota from 1953 to the mid-1960s and then in St. Louis in the mid-1950s. So they were spraying stuff all across the U.S. And they're saying that the risk of, they say there's only anecdotal evidence that the zinc cadmium sulfide caused adverse health effects. but with the U.S. government study done by the U.S. National Research Council stated,
Starting point is 01:34:06 after an exhaustive independent review requested by Congress, we have found no evidence that the exposure to zinc cadmium sulfide at these levels could cause people to become stick. Still, the use of the chemical remains controversial, and one critic accused the army of literally using the country as an experimental laboratory. So they straight up sprayed chemicals on the U.S. throughout the 20th century. that is news to me that shit's news to me so this isn't necessarily a conspiracy fit in my opinion
Starting point is 01:34:40 well it it takes a kernel of truth and then extrapolates it out to more you know bigger no but this actually happened yeah to a degree
Starting point is 01:34:52 it's not it's not that's what I'm saying it's a good conspiracy you could find enough evidence to like if you were a big time Kim Trails guy like have these bullet points ready to go when somebody's like, you're a moron.
Starting point is 01:35:04 Be like, oh, really? And list those off and like you would know what you were talking about and it would sound halfway plausible. Yeah, do I think the government is currently doing this in any kind of wide scale or any? No.
Starting point is 01:35:19 Do I know that they're not? No. I'll tell you, I know why they're not. They can't get a plane in the air to save their lives. I would be inclined to believe it if we could get an airplane off the ground
Starting point is 01:35:31 you say you know what though y'all can't even fly a plane yeah that's how I know they're not doing it I'll feel you but I'd never heard of this before that's crazy oh it's called Operation LAC yeah
Starting point is 01:35:47 long long area coverage and in 1966 the US Army released Basilis Globe Biggie into New York City subway system as a part of his field experiment to test the vulnerability of subway passengers in New York City
Starting point is 01:36:03 to covert attacks with biological agents. Yeah. They've been spraying random stuff on us for a long time. And like even when you think of stuff like the Tuskegee syphilis experiment where they literally just injected a bunch of black people with syphilis. Like they've done tests on the population without any remorse. That's true. Which is wild.
Starting point is 01:36:28 M.K. Ultra. they are not above testing shit on on uh yeah okay i'm struggling right now because to call this a conspiracy theory honestly i think the conspiracy because it's based in actual events it's a continuation theory i'm okay with that verbiage because it didn't no pun intended come out of thin air yeah yeah like this shit happened I mean who knows and and I think
Starting point is 01:37:04 I think it preceded the actuation of it preceded the the theory the conspiracy theory so it was like yeah what did you think was gonna people were gonna think
Starting point is 01:37:16 like they caught on and then they released all day when did they release these documents about the LAC I think there's LAC there was Operation Due which is the one
Starting point is 01:37:29 in Georgia, I believe, in South Carolina. Yeah. When was it declassified? It was declassified in the 90s with a bunch of stuff. 250 pounds of fluorescent particles from minesweeper off the coast. 250 pounds of gas is a shit ton of gas. Because think about it. Like, gas weighs nothing.
Starting point is 01:38:00 And then they did a second one in 1953. So it was declassified in 1997. Jeez. Wow. I mean, think about what they did. And so they're saying, yeah, that's what I'm saying. It's the stuff that's still classified in Mar-a-Lago. So they're saying that they came out with studies,
Starting point is 01:38:28 subsequently that said they didn't have any ill effects there was no ill effects that was calculable amongst the human population that's what they're saying i don't necessarily find that to be what was it was it lead there was a study that came out a while ago that was saying high levels of lead caused an increase of like erratic behavior or violent behavior or something like that everyone which yeah yeah which was which is an actual thing like this is like study data i mean i mean study science like um what was it everyone uh everyone since february in 1975 when regular gasoline had to take away lead uh in 1986 gasoline became completely lead free and there's a huge drop in generational crime after those data points yeah
Starting point is 01:39:20 because all the kids who grew up huffing the lead in the air they didn't have to huff lead anymore because they got rid of the lead and the gasoline. And they think that gasoline was leaded, and they actually blame a lot of, like, the World Wars. A lot of violence was linked to it. So gasoline was first leaded in 1923. Okay, so after World War I. And they think that it caused a lot of people to go nuts
Starting point is 01:39:51 in the 20s and, like, Great Depression, resulting craziness might have been because of the leaded gasoline. Recent investigation by Routers found that lead exposure affects kids and communities across the country not just high-profile cities like Flint, Michigan. This is worrisome because elevated blood levels and kids have been linked to an array of developmental delays
Starting point is 01:40:15 and behavioral problems. More ominously, this could also increase crime. And so this was highly studied. I remember reading about this a while ago, but not to get in that, because that's a whole topic. That's a whole topic in itself, but just to get back to how chemicals can affect people's behavior. And I'm going to put my conspiracy hat on this one, dog. I'm wearing a tin hat on this one.
Starting point is 01:40:42 I'm not so sure that, you know, I'm skeptical of the government in general, but like, this one kind of blew my mind, honestly. I'm not so sure about this one. like what did you call it big tea well you said it's not really a conspiracy there I said it's a continuation theory you're extrapolating from things that are true to things that may or may not be true yeah like I said I don't think that they're currently doing this
Starting point is 01:41:10 I think there's more efficient ways and I think even the even the operation LACC I think those are just tests right they weren't actually harmful chemicals were they apparently but like like we just found out that the burn pits
Starting point is 01:41:30 in Iraq and Afghanistan were killing U.S. troops and you know we and they had no idea like let's see it hold on zinc cadium cadmium zinc cadmium sulfide zinc cadmium sulfide
Starting point is 01:41:48 um put on this screen I'm a reading over here is used for fluorescent properties. Bioaccumulation of this chemical may occur along the food chain, for example, in plants and seafood. Long-term, repeated exposures are expected to have harmful effects on the kidneys, bones, and respiratory tract, resulting in kidney impairment, osteoporosis, and chronic inflammation of the respiratory tract. Use Operation LAC, that's what we were talking about, was a United States Army Chemical Corps operation. in 1957 and 1958 which dispersed microscopic zinc cadmium sulfide particles over much of the United States
Starting point is 01:42:29 the purpose was to determine the dispersion in geographic range of bio oh so they were saying so their their their argument is that because of the fluorescent of it there so that they can like kind of scan and see how and where a chemical attack could be vulnerable to yeah that's so that's there and they use that specific chemical because of its bioluminescent traits. Yeah, so they're trying to see if, you know, Russia sprayed anthrax over the United States how it would travel. So I get why they did it, but there's also... They said, hold on, they said anecdotal evidence. So they said exists of this chemical having adverse health effects as a result of LAC.
Starting point is 01:43:16 However, and this is a fucking asterisk in my book, a 1997 U.S. government study. I love when the government investigates itself or like a police department investigates itself. That's always a fun. A government study done by the U.S. Natural Research Council stated in part after an exhaustive independent review requested by Congress, we have found no evidence that exposure to zinc cadmium sulfide at these levels could cause people to become sick. Yeah. That said, the material was dispersed at very low levels and people were exposed to higher levels in typical urban environments. So they're saying they're more exposed to them in regular environments.
Starting point is 01:43:56 I mean, I would have to look at the study. I don't, that's, I'm not going to make a determination on the fly like this. Like I said, this is all new information to me. But in the great words of the replacement of chef goose gusto, highly suspect. There is a, so I was reading this Harvard. study talking about their research on albedo modification definitely didn't pronounce that right we work on theoretical proposals for combating global warming called solar solar geoengineering or albedo modification there are technologies that might enable people to add materials to the east to the earth's
Starting point is 01:44:32 atmosphere to reflect a bit more sunlight back space partially masking or reducing the climate change due to accumulate greenhouse gases so some are saying that you know the government may be doing it to combat global warming but they said we are confident there's no currently active programs to actually test or implement albedo modification outdoors so yeah this is one of this is just out my wheelhouse i don't know enough about any of this to combat it so this is all just new information coming at me yeah in my fake pause um and uh it's just it definitely gets the definitely gets the I'm definitely against the wheels turning. I'd have to look.
Starting point is 01:45:14 I'm going to look deeper into the study, the 1997 government study that says there's no adverse effects that they found. I think, you know, if the government was really trying to kill us through chemicals, I think there would be a much better, you know, application method than spraying it like thousands of feet in the air. Yeah, I'll give you a real. What would be a good way to get people to ingest chemicals that might kill them?
Starting point is 01:45:45 Like a really direct way. I don't know that that's ever been tried. I'll give you a real conspiracy theory. The Kim Trails conspiracy theory in quotation marks was started by the government to, as you said, Arian, have people, hey, look over here while I'm doing the card trick over here. and they're putting shit in the water and maybe in other things that they get the entire media apparatus
Starting point is 01:46:17 of the country to tell people that they have to get or they're going to die. Uh-huh. Talk that anti-Vax talk, man. That could be, if you were to create a conspiracy theory. Talk that Andrew Wakefield shit, dog.
Starting point is 01:46:30 Talk to Andrew Wakefield shit, dog. I don't know who that is. I'll have to look into him. He's the, he's the, he's the dip shit that started the conspiracy that vaccines cause autism uh okay don't yeah you know no his study is fraudulent read it it's like very short i'm i'm looking at them right now arian you won't debate rfk junior i absolutely would i would rfk call on the podcast debate aryan please i'm down i'm down i would have to i would have to spend
Starting point is 01:47:02 the next like month researching uh because the one thing i do give him is he's very well uh read on his his bullshit absolutely but do numbers yeah absolutely I also want to ask him about falconry because it turns out he's really big into falconry are you
Starting point is 01:47:23 I recently got involved in some falconry he's been banging this falconry drum for a while coming soon is you like you just like fouls in general or like what is Falcons Falcon is foul isn't that oh is that a foul oh actually that's a good point like is it i thought foul
Starting point is 01:47:46 i thought that was just chickens is that yeah no no foul i could be wrong i don't know enough i don't know i have no idea a falcons a raptor but i've only heard chickens referred to as foul and ducks are foul turkeys are foul okay turkey foul yeah those are all in the same categoryish yeah lowland foul um so do we have any uh voicemails no not this week oh no voicemails
Starting point is 01:48:14 you can keep going i don't did you just you want to be done I'm not short circuit that was a rather abrupt end I think we can we're lost without the plane man I think you can just keep going
Starting point is 01:48:28 for a little bit longer uh so chem trails I had literally not Even heard about this before this Me neither Like when you said that in the group chat I was like I don't even know what that is
Starting point is 01:48:42 You guys have never heard of chem trails No That's pretty crazy How did you never hear of Kemptrails So wait Kemp Trails over the country club What do you think that was about? What's Kemp Trails over the country club
Starting point is 01:48:51 The Lada del Rey album Oh no I don't know Oh you guys I was going to say I don't know what that is either I was like over the country club I don't know what I was like You guys
Starting point is 01:49:02 you guys aren't true lontics i am not a true i'm not i never i'm not a true lenatic yeah hmm taste way got these girls basically not listening to real real music do you mean taylor swift when you say that yeah oh sorry i i is that i have nothing against her no i don't i don't the fact that you don't know chem trails over the country club is pretty telling i didn't say it was It was, I think that's shots at the lenatics. I'm sorry, Lenatics. I didn't mean for that. I think if you're a lenatic that, you know, these Taysway fans are disrespecting her
Starting point is 01:49:42 dystography. What if I just cause a war between the Lana Del Rey fans and the Taysway fans? Why you keep saying T-Sway? Isn't that what you call her? T-Swift, maybe? I feel like Lana Del Rey fans are like chill. Like they would, they were like, yeah, we have no beef. Like, they would just not care.
Starting point is 01:49:59 Do they have like a, do they have like a, a, Colt following like this Swifties. I don't think so. Lana Del Rey. I mean, she's got fans. She's got a lot of fans. I like her. I don't think they're like the Swifties or even like the Bayhive's. No, definitely
Starting point is 01:50:13 not. Or like, what are it, the Barbes? Yeah. Nicky. Barbes. They're crazy. I've never heard of a lot of Del Rey fans being on any of that kind of level. No, not at all. No, not at all. Billy is apparently leading the front. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:50:27 It's me. Billy talks about Lana Delray more than any single person I know talks about. The Broke King. Yeah. I'm the bros for Lana. Yeah. I'm going to make that button.
Starting point is 01:50:41 Start a Facebook group. I can still wear buttons. Yeah, like a budding, like women for Trump, bros for Lana. Yeah. People still wear buttons? Yeah, like around voting season, like weird election people. And like I see people put them on their tote bags. SEC football games, sororities, big into the buttons.
Starting point is 01:51:00 That's so true. Oh, yeah. Katie loves the tag. They all say the exact same thing, yeah. With different with their names. Insert sorority loves the insert school you go to. Wow. Interesting.
Starting point is 01:51:12 Katie loves the taggers. That's interesting. I don't know that I've ever worn a button and I'm thinking about it. We should make buttons. Macrodosing buttons. Someone made us some actually because I have one pinned on my desk. That's the Enron logo. It's probably that we made.
Starting point is 01:51:27 The macro Enron logo. Foster commenter. Someone made me, someone made us all buttons. Uh, Zach Riddle, maybe. Yeah. He does him for Erica too. Wow. Buttons are kind of wild when you think about it.
Starting point is 01:51:39 I've never just thought about buttons. Like, oh, I thought a lot about buttons. Stabby, stab. What? What, bro? Okay, hang on, hang on. Everybody stop. I want to dig into both of what y'all just said because they're both very interesting to me.
Starting point is 01:51:55 First, I want to know, Arium, what you meant when you said buttons are really interesting. I mean, I mean, think about like, it's like a clothespin on a little piece of metal with a paper over it and black. It's just like a wild thing to put together just to show like, I guess, support or something. I don't know. Yeah, I mean, it's an accessory. Yeah, like I just never have thought to, hey, I'm going to wear a button. It's an interesting thought to wear a button. A button is the hat of the shirt.
Starting point is 01:52:23 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Now this conversation is. making me realize why some people think that we maybe ingest three cheat before we record this show stabby stabby yeah now I want to get to what you said can you elaborate upon that I just my first memories of buttons is accidentally stabbing myself somehow with them like trying to put them on my t-shirt would you say stabby stabby yeah no just my brain like word association it just went there double it up though
Starting point is 01:52:58 stabby stabby stabby stabby I don't think I've ever heard anyone say that I thought it was a reference I didn't understand No I just like stabby stabby Like I stabbed myself I just remember just That's what buttons do
Starting point is 01:53:15 They stab your fingers stab your chest Ah I remember that part about buttons Yeah stabby stabby No no no no I remember my mom used to have buttons And I remember me always like
Starting point is 01:53:27 taking like the first like layer of skin and piercing it and then buttoning it up. You know what I'm saying? Or was that just me? I get I would do it to my cuticles. Yeah, like dead skin like on the sides or whatever. You know what I would do that a lot. Or putting needles through your heel.
Starting point is 01:53:45 Like not about through but like the dead part of the skin. I know what you're talking about. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Or someone else would try to put a button on you and accidentally stab you. Nah.
Starting point is 01:53:56 Then you'd be. bleeding or like prom like the corsage oh yeah those are like the butaneer yeah boot near was tough work mm-hmm booting ear sounds like way more cool than it actually is yeah like oh go get your booting ear but it's just like a flower yeah hey uh are any of y'all big on uh dream interpretations yes yeah yeah this have some crazy dreams do you know about them uh like i tell you i had a dream could you tell me uh i'll google it for you all right so i had a wild fucking dream last night and so y'all know i'm expecting right so i'm not but you know yeah we're expecting my aunt got fucking pissed when she heard someone say that that we're expecting yeah because she was
Starting point is 01:54:43 like i'm like when i was having a kid i was having the kid like we're not having i was having the kid it was me i feel you i feel you i don't feel none of that shit yeah it's real no she just freaked out about it recently and I was just like, whoa. That she looks painful, bro. I don't knock her. But, so I was with the Shorty and we had somebody's house and my brother used to stay there. And all of a sudden, she's like probably a month and a half, two months out from delivering, right? In real life.
Starting point is 01:55:15 And in my dream, I assume it was the same thing. And so it was way premature. She just goes into labor and she goes into labor like, maybe it took 30 seconds and the baby comes out and I'm she she starts having pains and she starts and I ask are you having contractions and as she's laying down and I'm asking that the baby's sliding out and I'm like yo it's wow right but then the baby comes out yo and this niggas starts walking I wasn't prepared for this you I was scared as fuck so I could I like I the baby comes out I'm holding it and then I put it down and it just gets up and it starts walking.
Starting point is 01:56:00 And I was like, hey, yo, might have been the scariest shit I've ever seen in my lap. Okay. I had no idea what the make of it. I don't know what it means. I don't know if it means anything. That shit's scary, though. Maybe it means your baby is going to be like really smart, like really ahead of the curves. The only thing I could find is dream.
Starting point is 01:56:21 So this is, this is submitted to a Hindu blog. I keep dreaming I keep dreaming my wife is giving birth and he says it means that new beginnings and your luck will change you will be able to come out difficulties
Starting point is 01:56:40 there will be increase in income oh increase in income it will also be a sign that you will forgive and you'll be able to solve differences with family members hmm that's from the Hindu blog I'm interested in any of that
Starting point is 01:56:53 except for the increase of income I keep having I keep having I keep having dreams that like I get like oh I had this one dream where you know how you don't know how you get there in dreams yeah that's frustrating
Starting point is 01:57:11 yeah but like you don't remember how the dream begins well the dream began with a police officer knocking on my window and I was in a car and I was in the driver's seat and the police officer was like like you're under arrest you're intoxicated and I was like what the fuck and I just had this crazy anxiety and then I woke up
Starting point is 01:57:32 I was like thank God that I can see that yeah don't drink and drive man yeah but I don't I wake up like having to double check like like check my phone like okay wait that was that real like sometimes they're so like serious another one I was accused of murder oh no actually this is kind like being accused of crimes that I don't remember doing because the dream starts with just getting accused of it. Yeah, what's? And then I wake up like, I didn't do that. Maybe you have
Starting point is 01:58:04 no, I haven't done any crimes. Dreams. Hard pivot, but while we've been recording, remember we were talking about Margot Robbie earlier, there's apparently currently ongoing debate on Twitter.
Starting point is 01:58:22 Several people have been calling Margo Robby earlier. mid and so there's a people are going back and forth either staunchly defending the take that she is mid or that she's really hot i just found that interesting not mid i really not mid for margot robbie you think margot robbie's mid i do that's that's i don't think she's a i don't think she's an ugly woman but like i don't look at her like you like your jaws on the floor or no i don't look at something like that. But you said mid.
Starting point is 01:58:55 Yeah, I think she's like I said, mid does not mean bad. I know, I know, no, I'm with you. I'm with you on this.
Starting point is 01:59:00 I think we've talked about this. Like people say mid to mean bad. It doesn't mean bad. It means mid. But she's not mid. Hold on. Who says mid to mean bad? No,
Starting point is 01:59:09 no, most people don't know where that comes from. Mid is like the middle. It's like, I agree. Right. But mid is used to cut down
Starting point is 01:59:17 because it's when it's used to cut down stuff that people think are good. Yeah. When people say mid, they mean it sucks. Understood. Well, whatever verb is going to use, I don't think she's an ugly woman. No, I think,
Starting point is 01:59:29 I think she's a pretty woman. It's just nothing that I would like never, like you like on some top five alive. And I don't think so. 10 for sure. If you're being accused of something you didn't do, certainly 10. You found the Indian blog?
Starting point is 01:59:46 Yes. This one actually is dream dictionary.com. If you're being accused of something you didn't do seems to be reflecting some aspect of your walking life that you were feeling wrongfully judged, blamed, or guilty about. The main objective of these dreams would be for you to reflect in what areas you are feeling blamed for no reason.
Starting point is 02:00:04 Yeah. Workplace environments for some underlying accusation that falls under the radar. Hmm. Yeah. Does this ring about, am I being falsely accused of something? They always getting blamed for shit, man. That's actually true Sweet
Starting point is 02:00:24 That's hilarious All right Well shit man Is anybody got anything else man I know it's a little short episode But we're missing El Capitan today But anybody got anything else
Starting point is 02:00:35 Oh man Wrongfully imprisoned Dream meetings You'll be all right All right gang That it I believe so Please continue to
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