Mad, Sad and Bad with Paloma Faith - Anne-Marie: Struggling with postpartum life

Episode Date: January 20, 2026

I want to be Anne-Marie’s best friend! Not just because she’s a martial arts world champion and could karate kick anyone that came for me…but she’s also a super-mum and global music icon.She was so open in this chat, we covered all sorts, from her struggles adjusting to postpartum life to taking advice on how to be in the spotlight from KSI. We also channelled our inner rage and smashed up some bits in my garden with a baseball bat…I’m so grateful to Anne-Marie for joining me on the show and being so honest. She’s the absolute best!!—Find us on: Instagram / TikTok / YouTube—Credits:Producer: Magda Cassidy & Jemima RathboneAssistant Producer: Alex ReedVideo: Harry Sawkins, Grisha Nikolsky & Josh BennettSound: Joe RichardsonMix: Rafi Amsili Original music: BUTCH PIXYSocial Media: Laura CoughlanExec Producer for JamPot: Jemima Rathbone & Ewan Newbigging-ListerExec Producers for Idle Industries: Dave Granger & Will Macdonald Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello, I'm Paloma Faith and this is my show. Each week I welcome someone fantastic into my home to talk about what makes them mad, sad and bad. Roll recording. After five months, postpartum, thank you. Not that, thank you. You're such a G, come in. It's right, it's all right, it's going to be good. A bit of a break.

Yeah, come through this way. Now this week's guest really will benefit from this intro, because she's, She needs it more than most. She needs to hear what amazing things she's achieved right now. So let's all come in full support for this intro. To you, she's a Grammy-nominated singer-songwriter who started performing as a child in the West End, age just six. Age 12, she won a double gold at the Shotakan World Championships,

going on to become a free time world champion in Shotakan karate. Don't mess with her. Having successfully completed this level, She turned her sights back to singing. And I think it's fair to say she's done exceptionally well in that as well. Her debut album, Speak Your Mind, is the 10th most streamed album by a female artist on Spotify. And she's been nominated for not one, not two, but 10 Brit Awards. I've got a lot to say about that.

She's a huge advocate for the conversation around mental health, is an ambassador for mind and has written a self-help book, you deserve better. She's also a mum of two small people and is releasing new music again which is brilliant news for all of us but to me she is literally the only person in the music industry that I would like to be mates with but everyone's so bloody busy

I'm sort of scared to ask her so I just observe from afar and think she's amazing it's Anne Marie That was so cute actually we need to cry already Post-pardon She might cry We both might cry

So I got nominated for five Brits Before getting one And that was hard I just kept thinking Do I even bother showing up to the ceremony Do you go? I've never won one I know, that's what I'm saying

I don't go anymore No I don't go anymore because I think it's out of order I just want to say I don't even know what it's about Everyone used to say Ed's you and ain't won one yet

And then I'll be like Well, that does make me feel better, actually. But I don't understand it because the year I bought Speak Your Mind Out, biggest debut UK selling album in the UK, had Rockabye, 2002 on it. All these huge songs didn't win. Is it for people who need a push? Because I've got one probably needed a bit of a push.

I don't know, but I feel like I do need a push. At the moment. Yeah. Do you think the industry's harder on women than it is on men? I don't know about that because, I am a bit of a bloke. Yeah, me too. Do you find people trying to pit you against other female artists?

Not necessarily. I do think they tried to mould me into looking like one. And like, for example, when I got the blonde, throughout my whole life I've always changed my hair. That's been like my thing from when I was a kid. And when I met them with my blonde hair, it's like they told me not to change it. And I was like, I can't do that because it's like in my soul to change it.

So they tried to like keep my hair. And I wanted to wear baggy clothes. And I kept saying to the stylist all the time, I want to wear trainers and baggy outfits. And they would always try and put me in girly stuff with heels. And I was like, what is this about? And I didn't understand it because I thought, if I look great, it don't matter because I don't feel it.

So I'm not going to perform the best. Plus, when I wore heels at time, the Brit Awards, I fell down the fucking stairs in front of millions. Didn't even win. No, I didn't even win. And she buckled ass over there. Yeah. So I think after the Brits, they thought, oh, let's not put her in hills anymore.

Well, I think you deserve seven of those Brits. I don't know about how many of them. I thought about the other ones. Me too. Me too. It is annoying because I'm the kind of person who, weirdly, I think, Because I did karate, people think that I'm like a person who, if someone says to me, that's not good enough. Do better.

It, like, sparked something in me. You've got this. But it don't. Yeah, but it don't. No, you like encourage me. Yeah, I need someone to go, you're doing brilliant. Keep doing great. So when I don't win an award, it don't make me go, next year I'm going to win it.

It goes, I'm coming next year because I'm just going to stay home. I can't bother. They're not going to do it. I'm the same as you. I like encouragement. Yeah. I just, also, it's obvious we do. Otherwise, we would have done this job.

It's all about validation, isn't it? It's like, what I lack about the way I think about myself. I just go out in front of an audience and hope that enough claps will make me feel better. Yeah. So we'll go into Mad. It's really appropriate right now because it can have two meanings, obviously. But I want to talk to you about the fact, your five months post. part of

you'd put out this amazing song depression which it has clipped with so many people I also just wanted to tell you because you've had

your kids so close together you haven't realised but it lasts for two years so you'll be all right it's just that you've got a year and a half left of feeling shit

yeah I know and you might do stuff that you didn't expect you could ever do because you've got a baby and you're like I don't recognize myself. Yeah.

Like I'm not the mother I thought I was going to be. Yeah. All of it. I know all of that. But yeah. Yeah. But yeah. Yeah.

But yeah. Yeah. I know. And it's like, yeah, in a way you just go, I always just like see babies and think, I want adopt them all because I'm in my right frame of mind. So I'd be a better mum to you than if I actually have you. My own children. Yeah.

Yeah. Do you feel mad? sometimes. Yeah, I think with my first eye, I didn't know what I was doing. So I just was like, I don't know how to be a mum and I thought it would just come because everyone tells you that. And I was like, no, it hasn't come to me. So what do I do? And then I was, I didn't want to ask anyone for help or tell anyone that because I didn't want them to think that I couldn't do it. Well, you were failing at it. And that was a bad mum or I didn't have the natural instinct or the motherly thing. So I didn't want to.

I just grin and bared it for a year and didn't get any help. I had no help during the day. Did it all yourself? Yeah. No night nanny. Yeah, I had a night nanny. I had, I was breastfeeding though. But with the night nanny, it was hard because I was waking up more to pump than my baby was waking up to eat.

So I was just like, because I was so paranoid that I weren't making enough milk. Did you kick neck in fenugreek? No, I don't never heard of that. Oh, my God, it's like this miracle thing that if you think you've got no milk, you just take like three, it's a herbal remedy and then they just fill up. Why the hell has no one told me that? This is why we should have been friends, I did say. Oh.

Yeah, yeah, I definitely have struggled and then obviously got pregnant as I was breastfeeding, so didn't have a chance to stop and body started changing again and my belly came out like so quick because it was just like, ready to go back so it was just like I'm ready for the biggest baby so yeah that all happened got gestational diabetes was like mentally

like I needed iron tablets I was anemic oh my God I had everything so then he came and weirdly because I'd done it before, it was like he's like healing me along his life because he's making me feel like I can do it. And also plus I've asked for help this time. Yeah, you've put in place what you needed before.

Yeah. Yeah. I think that happens. Do you have like an inner unhinged psycho? Yes. How does she manifest? Have you lost it? It's changed. In your life? In your life? In your life?

Yeah. So always was a bit angry as a kid, which is why I did karate. And my parents were like so happy about it because I was just letting off some steam. Like literally, I had a punch bag in my room when I was a teenager. And there was one time where I punched the back of my door and I left a hole in it. And my mum's just covered it up with a West Ham scarf. And it's still there. Just to remind you that you've got it in you. I've always been a bit angry.

And I think... Where do you think it came from? I think I am very hyper aware of everything. So I think growing up, I was always hyper aware of what's going on in the world, hyper aware of what my parents are going through, just very, like, aware of everything. And I took everything on, and I didn't know how to deal with it, and I just let it out in anger.

Plus, when I went through school, I had a rough time at school, so that added to the anger. And then, yeah, yeah. It manifested in different ways. Like I didn't like anyone looking at me. And then I'd want justice for people. It was just like coming out in every way possible just for me to be angry. Any way for me to be angry, I'd be there.

I'll be the friend who would say something. That was who I was in the friend group. Or who back you are. Yeah. I took a few punches in my time from men for backing up women that I was mates with. Like, I remember once my friend was held against the wall, by this guy and I was just walking on. I happened to walk past and see it and I wasn't even with her.

And I was wearing this big ball dress. I was like 19. I'd got it out of a vintage shop. And I just ran across and it was pink and it was flowing. And I just jumped in the middle of this boat and I was like, who are you hitting? And then he went, if you don't get, it was from Leeds. He went, if you don't get out the way, I'm going to punch you.

And I went, come and then. And he did. And then like the black eye. Oh my God. But I'm the sort of friends you need. We'd be bad. But you could come with the karate and be professional. I'm just a bit psycho all over the play.

That was the problem. I think the problem was I knew I could back it up. So I weren't scared. Did you ever use it? Have you ever used it? Yeah, in some situations. That's good. Yeah, only in self-defense, so.

Because if I use it first, I get everything taken off me. Is it amazing? If you're using it in self-defense, is it amazing because they're usually like don't know what you're doing and you're just like smashing it? Yeah, I think that they don't expect it for one. And I mean, I'm happy with it, but I definitely didn't need to be involved in something.

Like what I said, I was just like finding trouble to like let something out. Yeah. And I had to use it in the end. But it's not many times. And that, yeah, I started therapy and now I'm not as angry. Yeah, you're killed. Yeah, you're absolutely fine. I'm great.

Yeah. Yeah, I don't, I don't really get angry anymore. No. I get pushed to the point. And then I kind of think, oh, this is so lot. I can't bother. Just step away. Yeah, I can't bother.

It's too much, it's too consuming. But yeah, I've always had this, like, urge to not be humiliated and, like, a worry that I would be. So I think in school, if a teacher, like, said, who knows this question? Amory, I would just have a complete meltdown because I was terrified of that. So I went into secondary school and it got worse,

and then, yeah, it was just, like, really bad from secondary school. If you ever look back on something you've done and thought, I can't believe I acted like that. Yeah, everything, loads. Can have an example. One you're willing to share. I remember going out of my sister. My sister's got massive tits, right?

I didn't get that, Gene. But she would obviously just get people looking at her boobs all the time, which now I think fucking great. But back then I felt it was really disrespectful. for. And we went to McDonald's and the guy behind the counter was like looking at her tits and I just went berserk and I just remember just like going, what are you like mental? And she's and but then I just, I didn't, I don't remember what happened after that. You just saw red. Yeah, it's just, I think it was just so bad that I couldn't control myself.

And it, like I said before, it just manifested in so many different ways. Like, my behaviour at school was terrible. But would you think it's because other people acted like that at school? I don't know if I've ever really seen red, but I've definitely pretended I was seeing red to get out of trouble. People were like, come and then, you know, like that, because everyone would do that, make a load of noise in school. So if you didn't do that, then you would just be like in bits.

That was me, 100%. Whenever anyone... Because in reality you sound like you're pretty calm So it's like maybe some of it was a bit of an act To just stop it escalating I didn't do that though I was silent Oh you were silent

Yeah everyone who ever said anything to me in school To a certain point I remember the point it happened Yeah And I just let everyone say anything they wanted to me You know And that's why they kept doing it And then one day this boy was like

why don't you ever say anything back? And I just, that was the point I just, like, lost it. Yeah. And then from that moment on, I was just like the worst kid. Hmm. Yeah, but now you've done therapy, so you're fine. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, you know, Christians go to confessions and you do therapy.

Yeah, exactly. You get away with anything. Yeah. Do any objects piss you are? Yeah, many, a few things. Fucks me up. Oh, this is my alarm to take my pill. Okay, go on.

No, that's right. I'll take it in a minute. But can you remember? Because if she's anything like me, she won't take it. Yeah. I don't understand time. Yeah. So I've got this problem.

That's ADHD. I've got that. Okay, fine. You hate the clock. Yeah, I hate the clock. When I look at the clock, it pisses me off. I don't have any concept of time. Me neither.

When somebody goes like, well, when did that happen? Do you know what day is? And I'm like, no, I don't. Me neither. I also don't understand that something that maybe happened when my mum will be like, you were seven years old when that happened and I'll be like, well, I'm still upset about it or whatever. She's just like, you're in your 40s, Paloma. Get a grit.

I'm just like, but it still feels like yesterday. And then yesterday feels like 20 years ago. Yeah. Yeah. It's so weird. And I don't remember anyone's birthdays, but I've got a birthday diary now to stop me being horrible friend. Yeah. But yeah, so we have actually prepared some way of you venting your madness for stuff in the garden. We'll do at the end.

But we've prepared loads of stuff that we can smash. Great. So you can just vent your madness about the clock, the time, you know, being a mum of two under... Yeah. What are they? Two under two. Yeah. Way under two.

I was like, get this woman a bloody smash bat or way. Because you need it. Have you ever been cheated on? Yeah. And like got psycho for that. Yes. I mean, I think in all my previous relationships, I have been a psycho girlfriend.

But again, for the thing that I had this terrible urge to not be mugged off. Because I got so mugged off in school. Do you think pride? It was just like, I don't ever want to be mugged off again by anyone. I've also been in a relationship before where I've been sort of secretly hoping they'd cheat on me so I could leave it. Just like, oh God, this is done. Oh, God. Just please meet somebody else.

So I was just constantly looking through their phones and just like waiting to find something. Anyway, whether there was evidence or not. Yeah, all the time. Just to make sure I weren't being mugged off. But then I'd always find something. And then, yeah, then I'd stay with them. Just anyway. But I feel like, don't you think sometimes the madness comes from not knowing?

And the reality is, is you can cope with quite a lot if you know the truth. Yeah, I had a conversation with someone once, a random guy. And I said about, like, lying and men lying and stuff like this and in a relationship. And he said, it depends on how the woman feels about herself, whether they believe the lie or not. Interesting. And that just like blew my mind because I thought that's true because if I thought I was like the dog's bollocks and I was confident and happy and all this stuff and someone lied to me, I'd be like, you'll fucking lie and see you'll be like, you'll fucking lie and see you later. But like most of my experience of it is I've been insecure and been feeling shitty and someone's lied to me and I've just believed them because I just wanted to be with that. You know, like, so that was a weird conversation.

Do you think at the moment because of like, I don't know how invested. you are or how engaged you are with the world. But I do have this sense that if people aren't feeling mad right now, they're probably a bit mad. Like, I want to reassure you that if you feel, you know, with your song, depression, everything, I think we're living in a depression. Because everything that we knew is gone.

Like, all the rules are out the window. The leaders aren't leading. Everybody's saying all the things we were raised, like values we were raised to have are being contradicted. and the world's sort of falling apart as we know it. It's a bit of the like weird thing and all these maniacs, narcissists are leading everything. So if you're okay right now, I think you need to probably go and seek help. Yeah.

Yeah. Do you take it on? No, oh yeah, yeah. I wrote a song about it before called Machine, just like wishing I was, a computer because I just, I couldn't, every time I watched something on the news, it just ruined me for like a week. Yeah. I've had to learn that empathy is like a beautiful thing, but you have to learn how to

control it, which I couldn't before. And now I kind of can. So we're going to move on to sad now. Okay. It's your song, isn't it? Yeah. How does depression manifest in you? What does it make you behave like?

It makes me shut down, really. Because I'm quite like expressionate, an emotional person. And it makes me just go none. And I didn't know what it was actually. I just thought that I was coping. And it was a feeling of coping with like being overwhelmed or something. And yeah, I've been through different types of depression. It's weird.

What kinds? I guess like I've always had it in me, I think. And when it came to lockdown, I was, well, just before lockdown happened, I was on my way to a session. And I felt really sad. And I was confused because normally when I'm sad, I cry. And I associated being sad with crying tears. And this time I weren't crying. I felt it like here.

And I was like, what is this? This is, is this actually what sad means and crying means crying and sad means this. Yeah. So then I went to a therapist and she was like, yeah, you're on the verge of having mental breakdown. And I was like, cool. Yeah, she's fantastic. And then she started trying to do some things with me and I was like not really feeling it. And then luckily my manager was like, try someone else.

Like just try someone else. It might be the right person for you. And then I found my therapist. That's when it all started unraveling everything about me and my brain. Yeah. And what do you know about your brain now? Not much. No, I think that was a depression from like, I don't know what, everything in my life thus far. And then I experienced it again as postnatal depression. So it was the same feeling but different.

Yeah. Yeah. And I've learned that my brain can only take so much. And my therapist explained it the other day. I obviously haven't had a period in ages, right? And the other day I got a period. And I felt so emotional. And I was like, said to my therapist,

I haven't felt emotional in ages. And I've just felt a bit like, flat. I don't care about anything. You know what? That happened to me when, after my second one, she just goes, oh, I said, I don't really. She said, how are you feeling?

And I said, I don't feel anything. And she was like, I'm going to do a hormone. test and she did one and bloody didn't have any hormones. Nothing. Not a single one. And I was wondering why my mom kept saying to me, you're so calm with this baby. And you just seemed so laid back compared to the other one. And it was literally because apparently if you, because I breastfed by pumping because she didn't know how to breastfeed for the bit. And so if you do that, apparently like flatlines when you breastfeed or whatever. Your hormones just flatline. And they put me on like menopausal stuff. And it worked. H.R.T. Love it for the win. And then as soon as it, I didn't need it anymore, I knew big time.

It was like waterfalls. No. I called her and I was like, I don't know what's going on. But it's like, I've wet myself. And she was like, come off for H.R.T. You don't need it. The body just suddenly started to make the hormones again. That's what I think's happened with me in the period.

I think it's like. Get the cream. It's in the thigh. Shit. Well, you've got periods now. But yeah, it was weird. You could have a hormone test. Yeah, I didn't even know that was a thing.

I didn't either until she just suggested it. I was like, okay. And then she was like, you're literally like. And then it made me think that's what men are like. Well, they do have testosterone, but like, it's just like not, you don't really feel anything. It's really weird. You're just like, everything's fine, whatever. Yeah.

And then you feel sad because you're like, I'm not, I should be upset or worried or whatever, anxious. Yeah. Yeah. I think that I just, she explained it in a way like my body, like, formed a box for my emotions because I couldn't. If I, if I went in that box, I would just not be able to cope. So, like, I formed it to, like, just be able to do this. Get functional. Just do what I need to do and survive.

And then when I've had a period. It's like let these emotions out and I was loving it. I was crying. I was like, oh my God, I remember feeling like this. That's so nice. Yeah. And the release of like, even if it's sad. Yeah.

Oh yeah. Just feeling something. Yeah. Amazing. Yeah. So happy for you. Happy for you for crying. Yeah.

It's like an eye orgasm. It's a good album title. Do you think you have a solid friendship group? No. Never have. I just want to wrap you in cotton wool. I have never had a solid group of friends now, not through school, not through college. I've had like one good friend and then they leave to like one of my, one of my only friends at school left to live in Spain before the last.

year of school so then I was left with no one and then my friend best friend from college left to work in Asia so then she just left me and then I find another really close friend for a long period of time and then that changes and I have a few here and there but I don't see them and that's mainly due to like my anxiety and not wanting to leave the house and using my kids as an excuse now but I I I don't have a constant friendship with anyone. Yeah. But I love people.

Yeah, you're really good with people as well. And I love my friends. Yeah, I love my friends and I'll do anything for them. But it's not a constant thing. And that is, I think I'm to do with that. I think that they would if I was like that. It's funny because you could probably do with that like a, group of people who've had kids and you can just can remind you how normal you are.

Yeah. It would be nice. I just have never been that person and I don't know why. Maybe I'm just scared. I'm scared that they'll leave. Yeah, maybe. Fear of abandonment. Yeah.

That's come up a lot in this episode. 100%. Yeah. That great thing. Yeah, but also sometimes you have to look at it a bit as like, oh, that person was really great. for this period of time in my life and it doesn't matter if they if it drifts off or whatever

because it was right for that chapter my mum always says women's lives are in chapters like we have so many different phases we're like because of hormones and everything we change so much more than men do so what we need at some point might be different

yeah definitely but maybe some times people come into your life just for a short time and it's really important and it doesn't have to be forever. Do you think feeling bad, like a bad mother, is common for all mothers that are actually good at being a parent? I do, because I just think you walk around,

you go, especially doing our job, you're like, oh, I'm terrible at my job because I'm with the baby. And then you think, oh, I'm with the baby, I'm terrible at my job. And there's this sort of weird zeitgeist at the moment where we have to share everything because otherwise we're not doing our jobs properly. And when you're like in this mode of just having a baby or whatever, you're just like, I don't want to share anything and I'm, you know, and then you just go and write a song about what everyone's feeling and everyone knows.

And then everyone wants to talk to you about being depressed. Yes. That's like a weird thing. Yes. I definitely feel like bad mum. Mum guilt is a thing. The worst. Yeah.

I think that I'm so aware of like my upbringing and stuff I feel like contributed to things and the way I am that I'm every minute of the day making sure that certain things but it's like so small. What little things in your upbringing do you try not to do in as a mum? I became super anxious and my main thing with my girl, I want her to be really independent. So like my aim is for her to feel confident all the time. But weirdly, that's made me feel like she don't love me. So it's kind of like a great double-edged sword. I had that with my, so with my first, I basically made her on me all the time. And then she was terrified of being away from me.

Yeah. So with the second one, I sort of. of just left her to it and now she's like, see you. Yeah. It is a good thing. It's a gift. My mum actually said to me when I was little, like, independence is a gift.

And you can faint me for it. And then recently she said, I think I made you too independent. You don't want anyone. So she was like, I failed you on that. No, it's good. It's always a good thing. Yeah. I think.

Yeah. Being in the public eye opens you up to unfair, screwed. and people are really judgy. Like, it sounds to me talking to you, like you judge yourself harsher than anybody else judges you. But how do you deal with that? Yeah, you definitely open yourself up to it, but it's not something you sign up for.

Well, not me personally. I didn't go into the industry, and I didn't prepare myself for that because I didn't think that this was even possible. So I was just singing and having a lovely time, and then it snowballed and snowballed, into something. But you weren't really prepared.

I was not prepared for it, no. And because I was so self-conscious that whatever anyone said that I felt about myself confirmed what I felt about myself. So then I was just a wreck, rages. And then you kind of like go through this whole thing. Honestly, when I met KSI, he like changed my viewpoint on it so much because obviously he's just, he's grown up doing YouTube. So he has the whole world saying,

comments to him all the time. And I was saying to him, this person said this to me, this is when we did the collab together. And he was like, I was like, how do you deal with it? And he was like, I literally do not give a fuck.

I don't care what anyone says about me online. I don't care. And I was like, how? So then it became my thing that I just, I didn't want to feel anything when anyone said anything. But it's like goes hand in hand with therapy and like me feeling like I'm not ugly.

and I'm not, you know, I've always felt ugly and I think now that I don't feel that if someone says you're ugly, I'm like, huh, you know what I mean? Also, it's not the be on end all, is it? What being ugly? No, like, I'd rather, I mean, I always laugh about it and I say to, when I was younger, I always used to say, yeah, but I've got a personality.

So when all them girls you like now are old, they're going to be boring your fucking face off I'll just be in my wheelchair, in leopard print, having a good time. And you'll be like, I wish that I went out with her. Yes, yes. It's just like way better to have a decent laugh. Yes. What makes you glad?

Is I had to Google this bitch? I'd like to Google this word because I don't think I've ever used the word glad. Please, and sort of feeling a bit privileged. Prouled, privileged, okay. Oh, God. I'm glad, I mean, there's a few different options here. We can go deep and go, I'm glad my sister survived meningitis. That's a good one.

That's pretty good. That means she's around. Are you close with her? Yeah, yeah. That's good. That's probably why you don't need friends. Yeah, maybe. Yeah.

That was a pretty rough time. She was 18. Wow. I was 14. That was rough. I'm glad she's here. I'm glad that... I mean, this is a thing.

I've always been pissed off that I was treated badly at school. Because, like, everyone always talks to me about how fun school was for them, and it really annoys me that I just had a shit time. But then I have to remember that I am who I am because of that. And if I didn't go through that, would I just be like horrible? Like the head girl? Would I not be a nice person? Would I've been able to write songs?

Would I've been able to like talk about anything that I've written about? So I'm glad, weirdly, that I was treated bad. That's understandable. What doesn't kill you, make your pronger. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know what else. That's good. That's a lot of glad. Love it.

That is a lot of glad. Thank you. Do you want to come and smash up some stuff? Yes. We run through it now. Go on, you do it. I want it to be your privilege. Go on, Ann Arbori.

Call yourself a carot. The postpartum rage. I don't know about you, but I really needed that. Did you? Yes. God. I feel better now. Good.

I'm pleased. Come round any time you want to smash. anything up. Thank you. Please do. It's so much, you're incredible person. So are you. We should have been friends before. I know, you need boosting. You had the knowledge I needed before, you know?

Should have given you a chat before. I know. Anyway, don't get lost on these mean streets. I won't. Bye. I love her so much. I just want to cuddle her, wrap her in cotton wool and love her forever. Well, wasn't that great? All of the links of everything we

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