Mad, Sad and Bad with Paloma Faith - Dame Kristin Scott Thomas: The Menopause Is Amazing Once You’re Through It

Episode Date: May 4, 2026

Acting royalty Kristin Scott Thomas joins me for the final episode of Season 3!! She’s had some absolutely iconic roles on screen, like in Fiona in Four Weddings and a Funeral, Katharine Clifton in The English Patient and THAT legendary Fleabag monologue. There aren’t many people that I’d re-create my living room in a studio for (while heavily pregnant), but I would do basically ANYTHING for Kristin! 💅We spoke about the guilt of motherhood, being labelled as a ‘cold’ person in the press and feeling like a failure when a marriage breaks down. My amazing friend (and super-talented hairstylist) Louis also joined us to talk about empowerment and the power of positivity. You can find him at @louisbyrneiciaiw. Kristin is an absolute icon; so cool, so glamorous and SO talented - I’m really grateful to her for joining me. And thank YOU for joining me throughout this series! I’ve spoken to so many AMAZING guests, so make sure you go back and check out any episodes you might have missed!—Find us on: Instagram / TikTok / YouTube—Credits:Producer: Emilia GillAssistant Producer: Alex ReedVideo: Josh Bennett, Jake Ji and Harry SawkinsSound: Rafi Amsili GeovannettiOriginal music: BUTCH PIXYSocial Media: Laura CoughlanExec Producer for JamPot: Ewan Newbigging-ListerExec Producers for Idle Industries: Dave Granger & Will Macdonald Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello, I'm Paloma Faith and this is my show. Each week I welcome someone fantastic into my home to talk about what makes them mad, sad and bad. Roll recording. To you, Dame Kristen Scott Thomas is acting royalty. She made her big screen debut in Under the Cherry Moon alongside the Absolute Legend Prince, who my dog is named after. Kristen has graced our screens ever since and is best known for me. playing the gloriously heartbroken Fiona in four weddings and a funeral for which she won a BAFTA,

breaking hearts as Brenda last in a handle of dust, and being perfectly tragic as Catherine Clifton in the English patient. Oh, and don't forget, that iconic scene in Fleabag when she spoke for all of us. Well, women. In 2015, she was made a dame, because obviously, and just this week won the Women's Prize for Playwriting's inaugural leading Light Award. But to me, Kristen is somebody, if I see at an event, I can always guarantee that I will be allowed to get in trouble because most of these things are disastrously boring. And Kristen is always a beacon of light in the room of someone who, if a door says don't go in, she'll definitely come with you into it.

It's the amazing Kristen Scott Thomas. Hello. Hello. We're not actually shooting at my house, which we normally do. We've built a pretend house. So you got married last year? Yes, yes. Actually, was it last year or the year before?

No. When did you get married? No, in 24. That was not last year at all. Oh, sorry. I'm confused about what year. I'm so confused. I'm confused between January and February and March as well, because every day is the same date.

Have you noticed? It's a nightmare. Anyway, we at wedding. We got married in a very, very small way. I think there were 27 of us all together. Nice. It's really, really lovely. It sounds very special.

It was. It was fantastic. And how does it differ? Because you had a 17 year marriage before. Yes. And you, you know, you had three children in it. You did the whole thing. But how does romance and love change when you've done all that?

You don't have to do that. You've got the career. You've got the kids. It's a different thing. It's a different. He's done it too. He's got three children, I've got three children, and we've just grown up, and it's just a different thing. I can't really explain it any better than that.

Do you think it's freer? I think it probably is freer. Yeah. Well, because also you're established as a person, you know who you are by then. You know, when I was 21, I didn't really know who I was very much, and I think I know a lot better now. and I know what works, what doesn't work, where the danger zones are and what I should look out for and what I can, you know, relish and make the most of and go flat out down a certain path and that's what I've been doing.

That sounds lovely. Really fun. Did you feel like when you broke up with your children's father that there was some kind of like weird social pressure that you'd fail Oh, I felt terrible. Because I did the same. I've got two children from a previous relationship. This is my third with a new partner.

Yeah. I felt like a dismal failure. And the worst thing about it was the fact that I became a statistic. Yeah. I became one of the 40-something percent, whatever it is. And I really resented that. Because you were like, I didn't want to become that. Also, someone said to me, it was actually Kate Hudson the other day I met her and she said,

oh, the difference is when you've got a career, you don't stay because you have to stay. You stay because you want to stay. And if it's not working, you can walk away. But I feel... I didn't, that was not part of my experience at all. So I don't know about that. I feel like when the kids are there, you kind of feel like you have to anyway. But also, I think a lot of women feel that they're trapped.

you know, socially, financially, economically, you know, that they feel that they have to stay in a relationship because otherwise, what do they do? You know, they've given up work to go and to look after children or whatever. So I think that is probably a case of a lot of women, but certainly wasn't in our case. I mean, I'm really lucky in that my ex-husband is still quite present in my life. Yeah, same.

And it's great, you know, really, really, really. really great. Yeah, I mean. So, you know, to be honest, I'm 65 now and things have never been better. So it's a lot to look forward to, love. That hope. Isn't it? Yeah, it's great.

Well, we, like, I think, when I think of you, I think about that monologue, and I want to thank you for it in Fleabag. Well, that's very kind of you to thank me, but don't thank me because I was just the person. The speech, spokesman. Because that's Phoebe. I mean, she's. I mean, it's both of you. Yeah.

It was astonishing and it was really special. And it kind of, if you haven't seen it anybody, then you must watch it. I don't think anyone hasn't seen it. Yeah. It's amazing. But it's iconic. And it was beyond the show. It was more about feeling seen and heard.

Yeah. And it was like everyone that, the day after that was aired and you'd been the spokesperson for like all of the women of the world felt seen that morning. and like I felt different walking past other women and the way I looked at them. You feel like camaraderie. It's so told sisterhood, yeah, absolutely. I was, oh God, I remember when I read it, I'd always love Fleabag and sort of thought, oh, it must be so great to do something like Fleabag and I'd love to do Fleaback and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But, you know, obviously Dame Kristen, sort of a different world. And then this thing around.

and I read the speech and it was like, I have been wanting to say this for such a long time. Is the menopause as amazing as your character said? It is once you've got through it. At the other side. Well, I felt like I was hitting perimenopause and then just got pregnant and now I've put it on pause. I think that happens a lot though, doesn't it?

I think so because my Obguyen was saying, like, it's quite common for the body to go, Oh, I'm about to stop and then just go, oh quick. Oh, quick. Yeah, and then you get hot for other reasons. Now I'm flailing about throwing the covers off. Our first section is about being mad. So do you feel that you've ever come close to madness?

Yeah, yourself or been near it? You mean craziness, yeah. Yeah. Or however you want to be. interpret it. No, no, no. I really, really, really lost it when lockdown. Oh, yes. That was not good for me at all. The problem was that I was in England and having sort of narrowly avoided being shut up in America because I was on tour doing promo stuff and I had to rush back and then I didn't know where my kids were. How didn't you know?

Well, because my littlest was only 18 at the time, and he was at college in Holland. My middle child was in Brussels, but what was going on? Who was going to look after them? I mean, I know they were big, so I shouldn't have really been freaking out, but I was freaking out. And then my daughter lives in Geneva. And I knew she'd be safe because she was with her husband. She got too little. She had one daughter at the time, one child, but was pregnant. And it was just until I knew where they all were and they were all safe and they all went to be with their dad, which was great. But particularly the little one, I thought, how's he going to get out of Holland? And who's going to look after him?

And he was, oh, no, it makes me quite. Anyway, so I behaved very, very bizarrely for about three weeks. What kind of thing? Well, I just wouldn't let anyone near me. near, you know, wouldn't let anyone near me. And it was, you know, I took it all very, very seriously, washing oranges and... Washing oranges? Yeah, going to the...

Is that some sort of superstition? No, no, no, no, but don't remember all the foods that you've had to wash it before you... Oh, yeah, hyper. Yeah, hyper, hyper, hyper. Alert. So, so... And just I sort of got into a real old panic. You know, proper panicky breathing and the rest of it.

Sometimes when I think about parenting my children, for example, like my kids just went to their dad's last night and he sent me a photo of the little one's hands with a rash on and said this rash has come up. And then my immediate reaction is go straight on Google, look at what it might be. Then I've got a friend who's a doctor luckily and sent him the picture.

And then, you know, then you see their dad and he's just like, oh, I sent them to school, I'm not worried. And I'm like, what is it about us that's constantly, you know, And you were like saying... No, I don't know. I don't know. But it is. It's true.

But then when I was doing what you're doing now, looking after little children, we didn't have the internet, which is a massive relief. But you must have had a medical incyclopedia. Yes, of course I had Miriam Stoppard. I remember. And the other one was the American guy, Dr. Spock. To flick through the alphabet. You make a kind of, you know, well, she says that and he says that in the middle.

must be all right. But also I was married to a doctor, so it was all right. But the, I remember in Dr. Spock, it said, if it's not snowing, put the baby in the pram and leave him outside for 10 minutes. I love the if it's not snowing. It rains fine. It's rains fine. Hail, gale, everything is fine. Just not, no snow. Do you think that your creativity and your pursuit of the truth almost, like now you're moving into directing and writing? Is it a form of madness, that obsession, like to find answers? Like the fact that you just can't stop in pursuit of these answers, this questioning. I'm not sure it is answers I'm looking for.

I'm looking just, I'm just trying to tell stories that share the human experience and create a kind of solidarity, I suppose. I mean, well, that sounds quite high-flying, but I don't, it's just, it's, I was talking. to somebody the other day about why we go and look at paintings, for example, why you look at art. I said, I thought it was just really nice to look at something with someone else and know that you're both looking at the same thing. And sometimes you connect with that person about what's so exciting about what you're looking at. And sometimes you don't. But when you do, it's just so thrilling to share, to look at something with another person who you perhaps never met.

This has happened to me on Saturday. Exactly this. And I got talking to this lady and she was an artist. I had no idea. And you meet all these people and you talk about what you're looking at. And it creates a sort of a link. And that's all, I think that's why I do it. I think that's what's so great about those art forms that are more accessible as well.

Like I always cite music, which is my main thing. And cinema, which has been yours as like, the kind of holy grail of art forms in the sense that they really unite people from all walks of life. They're so accessible. And then you get these moments where you're like, oh, we're all human. Yeah, that's really reassuring, isn't it? Yeah. I find it really reassuring.

And one of the things that we are being sort of, which we're getting removed from, is this shared experience. I bet when you go and play, you know, when you perform in front of, hundreds and thousands of people, it's a different thing from when you're in front of one of these things and a man behind a booth and all that kind of. It's a just different feeling. And I think this shared experience of watching a film that's making everyone sob, I mean, you see how people are flocking to Hamnet at the moment, you know, those are really, really, really precious things. And we are in danger of losing them through the things that we look at like,

which is all, you know, sort of locked in. Your noses in your palm and you, it's for you. Okay, so it's a personalised experience. But by that wonderful thing of having a personalised experience, you lose the kind of the general vibe. And I think that's a bit sad. Well, I think what's wonderful about live performance as well is most nights, it's never the same thing.

Never the same thing. And then you're like, oh, but life's never the same day. It's true. I'd never thought about it like that. That's so true. Life's not the same day. No, and some people really want it to be as well for safety, don't they? Like the repetition. No, I don't. God. Me too. I keep saying to people, I love change so much. Change is the most wonderful thing because it kind of reignites your life force in a way, doesn't it? There's a sort of something news happening. And the wonderful thing is that I've realized that I've realized, at this point in my life is that you just never know what's going to happen. You just have no idea what's going to happen.

Flipping back to talking about anxiety, that's when you get overrun by thoughts of what might happen. Yes, I know. And I do that too. Yes. I do that too. I am also, yes, very kind of, well, if this happens, well, exactly.

I mean, hence my COVID behaviour. But yes, of course, my imagination runs. riot and I'm oh what's happened they're late they're five minutes late maybe something happened on the bus or yeah yeah I've been like that since childhood I've been like that since childhood but for good reason actually because when I was a little girl um some quite dramatic things happened death happens and then six years later out of the blue death happens in exactly the same way because your father and my stepfather have so I'm I'm always a bit of nervous when people aren't on time and things like that, you know, when the...

What if the worst happens? Because I immediately go into that sort of, you know, and that was a long time ago. Yeah. But still, that it ingrains in you. It's just completely my branches have been trained to go in that direction. I don't even think, I think as a child, I said to my daughter the other day, she's nine. I said the hard, the difficult thing that you've got to deal with is that at the moment, you're not as independent as you'd like to be. And you rely on us so much. As a child, I feel bad for you. And I remember the feeling of feeling like all my eggs were in this one basket,

or if you're privileged enough too, with both parents. But with my mum. And my mum was called into the school because they said that I had an unhealthy obsession with death. Nobody had died, but I just thought, I've just got a mum, and it's just me and her. So if she wasn't there anymore, who would I have? And I was obsessed by her dying. So the same thing, one minute, two minutes late picked me up from school and I'd be howling. And my daughter's quite anxious as well, my nine-year-old.

And I said that to her, I said, I remember this feeling. But you are much more in control and much better at looking after yourself than you give yourself credit for. I mean, she can make scrambled eggs already. I'm so pleased. You can live on scrambled eggs. That's so sweet. But I think maybe, do you think that that kind of experience when your child turns you into somebody who's hyper-responsible?

I think, I mean, all sorts of things happen, don't they do, to make you who you are? And certainly... How did it affect you specifically? Well, it's made me who I am, you know. And as far as work is concerned, it made me very very... if I say very good. I mean, I'm quite efficient, I would say, efficient at making, at communicating fear of loss and a sort of undercurrent of sadness. So this is why I got all these people like Fiona, there's something sort of secretive and sad about, Fiona in Four

Weddings and funeral secretive and sad about her and there's something vaguely tragic and sort of off limits for her. So I was quite good at doing that, you know, communicating that untalked about depth, sadness. So that helped me. I realized when I was in my 50s that actually that had been sort of tragedy, if you like, had been my kind of battery. And I would always rely on the ability to represent sadness. So that's what, yeah, that's what I know.

That's what I love. love Marilyn. It's like the beautiful face with the longing eyes. Yeah, possibly, yeah. That melancholy. Yeah, yeah. And you just carry it with you even if you do. Well, I did for a very long time. I think I've shaken it off now. I think so. But I've sadly not drawn to it as I used to be in my work. I'm talking about it in my work. I'm not drawn to the sad, to the to the dark things. You're in an era of optimism, do you think? Yeah, optimism is pushing it, but I'm certainly,

I'm certainly open to suggestion. Well, it's everything, everyone's everything, aren't there? I know. Do you think men are more dismissive of female emotion? No, I think they're terrified of female emotion. Why? Why? Because they don't, they can't, they don't understand where it's coming from.

when they don't, I mean, this is huge general sweeping general allusions, but let's make them. I think men, having brought up two boys, I do feel slightly more qualified to talk about this than I did before. But I think they are, actually, do you know what, I'm talking complete rubbish, because men of their generation, young men are so different from the young men of my generation. I've just spent a weekend with my kids, my grandkids, et cetera. And the whole bunch of them, they all have recently had babies. So they got these minute babies. And on Saturday I was, one, two, three, four, five, six of them. Wow.

Six children under eight. And most of them were under three. And just to see the dads, how the dads were with these children was extraordinary for me. I mean, it was totally thrilling because they were so on it and completely natural, efficient, brilliant, just didn't even think twice about changing the nappy or feeding. It was just like it was completely organic to their... Did you feel proud? Were you like, that's a testament to you as a mother?

No, it's not a testament to me as a mother. It's a testament to us, women, teaching the new generation of men. to be more to see childbearing, child rearing as a group activity. Do you know? How radical. I know, very radical. No, but it is encouraging. No, it is.

It is encouraging. So your experience prior to that with maybe your generation was that men were terrified of female. Of expression. Oh, my God, she's going to cry. She's going to cry. Quick, quick, quick, change the subject or whatever. And now I've seen more young men with tears in their eyes than I ever saw. Moved.

Yeah. What moves you? Oh, it can be a tree. It can be my dog. It can be a piece of music. I mean, I'm quite pliable. A feeling person. I'm a feeling person. I know that I don't come across as a feeling person.

I come across as a feeling person. I come across as a really hard. hard-hearted person apparently. When I was reading about you for this, I didn't understand the bit where it said, oh, she's been dismissed as being cold or, and I don't understand because that is definitely not the experience I've had, having met you a couple of times. Well, I kind of, I think. That's to do with fear, though, I think. I bet those articles were written by men as well. I don't know. I'm just scared. I'm not saying anything here. I'm keeping zip. I'm defending you.

No, I think, I think, I think that I left England when I was 18 and went to live in France where I learned a completely different set of sort of manners, if you like, of what it, what is, like you, it's, they're much more rigid, sort of much more uptight in France and they'll be very, very, they're more, very, they're more, difficult, it's more difficult to make a French person fall about laughing than an English person who would be more apt to be jolly. There's a, that's, somebody will say this is

complete nonsense, but it's okay. It's fine. Let them talk. Yeah, and the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, quite secretive and less, yeah, less expansive. And coming back here, I've realised that. But for 42 years, this was my behaviour. And so I kind of got this sort of reserve. And I think also because of the roles I was playing, I was playing a lot of quite tough women or quite cold women, if you like. I think they call them brittle, I think.

People couldn't differentiate between the roles and you as a person. Well, no, why would they? Because they don't, they don't know me.

They, because they never met me. They've just seen me on, they've just seen my face attached to that character. And so, yeah, there's no reason why they would have an opinion for me. And then,

and then when we do the interviews, then I would be, I would have been, you know, thinking about the thing I'm promoting or whatever. Yeah. Would you say your mother was, um,

a soft person? My mother's sweet. Sweetest. Yes, I would. Yeah. But she wasn't, she was very, very strong, extremely strong. You'd have to be. Five on your own.

I know. Amazing. So she was really, really strong, but she looked, first of all, she looked extraordinary, beautiful, tiny, sort of perfect. Some might say the same about you. Yeah, yeah, they would, wouldn't they? Yes. Indeed.

Anyway, she was, and she had this sort of fragile help me kind of thing that I don't think I give off. But anyway, so she was quite manipulative, actually, I think, because she used this sort of thing to kind of get stuff done. And she did, you know, she put it all through school, yeah, yeah, yeah, I think. Yeah. Like, because then people say to me quite often, you mustn't castrate a man. I really get that. Yeah. So please do step in and do it better.

Yeah. I'd love that. Or even just without being asked. But I grew up with, I grew up with my mom who was on her own, as you said. And we lived in the middle of the country. And so things would break down and she'd mend them, you know. And so I'm, you know, know, from the age of nine, I was quite good with a screwdriver.

You know, I was de Beau, the French thing is you get on with it. You work it out. And so that's what we did. Do you think you've ever had someone look after you? Yes. How's it feel? It's really nice. Because I'm not fighting it anymore.

Because you don't see it as something that undermines your ability to be independent anymore. Exactly. Yes, exactly. It's nice, isn't it? It's so nice because I'm in a new relationship and I actually said the other day, thank you for letting me be soft. And it was such a weird, he was like, what do you mean? I said, well, I don't think I've ever been able to be. Because sometimes when it feels like someone's there to kind of be your partner in crime,

not even to look after you, but to kind of have the interaction. Then it allows you to be a softer version of yourself that, I felt I hadn't seen for a long time. Because you're always the one to fix or you're always on alert waiting to mend whatever's gone wrong or whatever. Yeah, yeah. And being overly, overly aware of what might go wrong, of what might, you know, I've got to stay prepared for the next disaster.

That was me for a very, very, very long time. What got bad next? I have been thinking about that. And I was thinking it became a bit like a sort of Father Christmas list of what, or confession, you know, what have you done? Bless me, Father. You know, I've done lots of very silly things. And the things that I obviously, actually no, not obviously, but I do regret are, you know, when it involves other people and they have, it's been worse for them than it was for me, do you know? when I've been, when I've bullied someone or something.

You know, that's awful. And I feel really, really ashamed about that. Was that when you were younger? Yeah. Well, I'm always younger. Well, yeah. Even now to the next moment. What kind of, what do you mean bullying?

Well, I've had, you know, if I'd been cross with someone and... Been the more powerful energy in the situation. Yeah, but bizarrely a lot of the time, and people are like that, They're doing it because they're not, they don't believe that they do have any power. So they kind of kick back. But it's not so much that. I think that's just human nature. I think that some people are like that.

But I think I've done, you know, if you've done things that aren't that you feel a bit shifty about, I shouldn't have done that, should have said that. Those lurk for a very long time in my head. I shouldn't have said this or that. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm quite good at apologising, actually. That's a brilliant skill that not everyone has.

Well, I quite like apologising. So I'm not sure whether that's a good thing or a bad thing because then it's just more, even more about me. Well, I feel fun, so I apologise, but I did everything. Exactly. Yeah. I mean, it's all, I don't know what it was going on about. It's fixed. Can't you move on?

I know, yes, exactly. Come along. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, there we are. Do you ever sort of go to bed at night and think, oh, what bad stuff did I do today? What should I feel guilty about? Or do you think? I have a little Rolodex of possibilities, yeah. Do you remember Rolodex? You probably don't. Roller decks are these, yes, there's a sort of a filing thing on a round and you just go, what shall I worry about now? Ah, this. Every night's got to have.

They used to be like that, it's less so now, but it used to be certainly like that. I'm like a oh God thing and I've got to do that and I've got to do but they were mostly worries rather than guilt. Guilt. Yeah. And most of my guilt is based around what we were talking about earlier which is child rearing. I think, I think in my case being a mother has been quite difficult to kind of balance with being an actress, being on the move all the time and doing it. extraordinary things and pretending to be extraordinary people. And so balancing those two has always

been my, you know, taking up most of my time, in my head space anyway. And so most of the things when I think bad, I think, oh, all the... My son, my son, this is something I feel really bad about. Oh, God. Real confession here. My middle son was rather good at football But we wouldn't let him do football Because it meant he would have to practice on Saturdays And we wanted to go to the country I know

I get it though I know but it was just not fair Because he was quite good as it Has he ever said to you No but he's now become an actor So he's got his revenge Anyway But I feel really bad about that

Poor chap. But you feel bad anyway. I feel bad about my nine-year-old. I haven't found her thing. You know, her extracurricular thing. I've tried so many things and I'm like, do you love this? And she's still not like, that's my thing. And I'm just like, how can I find you?

But you don't have to know what they want at nine. But it's nice to have someone who goes, I love football. Yes, it makes life easier. but then you throw that choice away because you say no, we're all going to go and, you know, look out of the window in the countryside. That was probably also good for them. It was good for them. It was very good for them. Thank you. So in the studio with us is Louis, who's my hairstylist, sometimes your hairstylist,

and a mutual friend. And basically I thought, because Louis's also got this whole lifestyle thing, that it helps people feel optimistic about all the bad stuff in their part. So it relates to very much with what you've been saying. Yeah. So it's built around a mantra, which is I can, I am and I will. So I want to know, do you have a mantra or have you had a mantra in your life? And I want to know, because it's about looking at, where you're at,

where you've been and where you're going, where are you going, Kristen? What do you want? There's something that I say to myself when I'm feeling a bit. It's just a helpful thing. For all moments, is this, it's may you be happy, may you be healthy, may you be free from suffering. So you can do that and you can say it to other people. And so if you see somebody who's driving you mad, you just quickly. and actually it does work

so if I hear you saying that while I'm doing your hair I know that I'm driving you mad that's quite... I wouldn't say it out loud I sort of say it to myself you wish them well even though they're driving you mad you have to wish them well and then that gets you over the irritation yeah love that

it really works actually power of positivity do you know what that is evolved evolved so evolved because that's quite hard to get to when someone's really driving you mad. Yeah, but they do.

I mean, a lot of people do drive me absolutely insane. So I say it quite a lot. If we see you with brittle teeth smiling and the tongue moving behind, we know what's happening. Happy, healthy. What do you want to leave in the past? I would love to be able to, I think a little healthy bit of doubt is a good thing, but I'd love to be able to ditch the permanent question of, am I allowed, am I allowed, am I allowed, am I allowed?

I'd love to be able to get rid of that. Or, you know, I'm not good enough, I'm not good enough, I'm not good enough. All those ones. Yeah, I'd love to be able to let those, that lot go. But then on the other hand, I'd be insufferable because I think I'm as brilliant at everything. You are quite brilliant. And be unable to do everything. I'm going to cut your hair in a minute.

Come on then. Come in. Thank you, Louis. Thank you. Thank you. I am and I will. Our final section, you will love. It's because it rhymes, of course.

What are you glad about today? And it changes every day, I think. But isn't that a thrill? Wonderful. To know that there's so many possibilities for gladness. I'm glad that the days are getting longer. And spring is around the corner, and I'm looking forward to that. I'm really enjoying the work that I'm doing at the moment on slow horses.

I'm thrilled about the fact that I have this opportunity to develop other projects and just move forward and stay creative and stay inventive and stay listening, listening, listening and looking, looking. And as I said, you know, seeing this new generation of parents, that's really gladdening. And it's just great. And I can gaze at my youngest grandchild who's only seven weeks or something. I can literally gaze at him for like half an hour non-stop like this. And that is a, that's a gift. Thank you so much for talking to me, Kristen. It's a pleasure.

I'm so happy to see you. You too. Blooming, literally. Literally at growing a human. It's fantastic. Thank you so much. Well done. Goodbye.

You are good at singing. Oh yes. It's marvellous. Thank you for all the films. Oh, that's so sweet. Bye. Well, wasn't that great? All of the links of everything we mentioned in the show

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