Mad, Sad and Bad with Paloma Faith - Leigh-Anne Pinnock: Heartbreak is WILD

Episode Date: January 6, 2026

To kick off series three I had the pleasure of inviting Leigh-Anne over, who is one of the sweetest people I’ve ever met!! A fellow mum and someone who isn’t afraid to use their platform for good, she found fame in one of the BIGGEST girl groups of all time, Little Mix. Now she’s taking on the industry as an independent artist, on her own terms. 💅We speak about the pressures musicians face, the impact of trolls on mental health as well life in the limelight as a working mum. She’s an absolute icon and I could’ve spoken to her all day!Leigh-Anne’s debut album ‘My Ego Told Me To’ is out on 20th February 2026. #LEIGHANNE #PALOMAFAITH #MADSADBAD —Find us on: Instagram / TikTok / YouTube—Credits:Producer: Jemima Rathbone Video: Grisha Nikolsky, Josh Bennett and Harry SawkinsSound: Joe RichardsonEdit producer: Rema MukenaAssistant Producer: Alex ReedMix: Dan KingOriginal music: BUTCH PIXYSocial Media: Laura CoughlanExec Producer for JamPot: Jemima Rathbone & Ewan Newbigging-ListerExec Producers for Idle Industries: Dave Granger & Will Macdonald Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello, I'm Paloma Faith and this is my show. One, two, three, four! I'm really mad, sad and bad. Each week, I welcome someone fantastic into my home to talk about what makes them mad, sad and bad. Roll recording! Hello! Hi, supermom.

Supermom. Supermom to another super mum. It's very nice. You're okay? You too. Yeah, come through. Thank you. To you, she's a pop star, finding fame in one of the world's best-selling girl groups, Little Mix. She's performed in sold-out arenas, been chased down the streets by fans,

and has now embarked on a solo career and new music out very soon, which I can't wait for. She's an advocate for marginalised voices speaking up about racism in the industry and double standards. She's also a mother of twins, which alongside a successful music career highlights what a wonder woman she is. But to me, she's someone that I met first time properly to chat to at Together for Palestine concert and immediately loved her energy and her ethical and moral backbone in the world of superficiality and fence sitters. She really, really is amazing. It's Lee and Pinnett

Oh, not me whirling up already That was so lovely Thank you You're okay It's true You are wonderful And I just think there are many people using their platform

to benefit society and feel responsibility for culture and social change And you're one of them So I think Thank you And so are you Should be really proud of yourself

Thank you Can I say as well Like out of all In this industry you meet so many people So many different celebrities or whatever. And I feel like you were always one of those people that made me feel so safe. You're just lovely. And from the moment I first ever met you, so yeah, I'm really glad we're doing this.

Yeah, me too. Thanks for being here. Do you think that people underestimate the amount of work that goes into having success in the public eye and sustaining it? Yes. It's actually mad, I think, on that, yeah, going from a group. And like you said, like we were literally one of the biggest in the world. like wild and obviously going doing this solo career and i feel like there was definitely like a pressure to be just as successful as that group as a solo artist and especially like signing with a major label and they kind of expect that from you um so yeah there's definitely a pressure so were you um media trained when you're in little mix yeah what does that entail

because as you can tell i've never been media media media i want to be more like you. It's actually taken time to like unlearn things. I think, especially being in a girl band, you don't want to say the wrong thing. We were even told. Because you feel like if you do, then it will affect the others or whatever. Do you feel that? Yeah, that 100%. And we kind of like go into things like we knew who was going to sort of answer what. And I mean, we were outspoken to an extent. But I think there was always that sort of just kind of be careful what you say. And like at one point, we were told not to say we were a feminist as well. Yeah. like to be, don't be too political.

And I think there was a time as well where people looked at pop artists and thought, well, why do you, you don't have a voice. Like you, you don't know what you're talking about. Why are you talking about politics? And then put that in, to be in a girl ban as well, you know. There was that sort of, I don't know. But why do you think people would ask you to not speak about those things?

Because they think it would affect sales or something. Because in my experience, it's affected them. positively. Yeah. I think maybe scared in case we ruffled the wrong feathers, said the wrong thing. Didn't get the right sponsors. Maybe, who knows? But, yeah, media, I feel like it's so weird, though, to target a band like you guys

because it was, like, diverse to some degree. So it's obvious. And also, like, a lot of working class backgrounds. Yeah. Yeah. As opposed to, like, the music industry is quite full of people who, had like private education and stuff like that and I don't know it's just strange that you'd not have a voice on yeah like the class system or the race oh yeah 100% yeah but I think

that's why it was so hard for me to then talk about race as well like coming from obviously that sort of set up where we were a little bit more careful of what we said and but I think like as the years went on like we definitely found our voice more and more and like now obviously we're all out here just saying what's what you know everyone's doing really really well. Yeah, and 100%. So mad.

This is funny with coming to you because whenever I've met you, I feel like you're really together and intelligent. No, don't with that pressure on me. No, I always do. I always think, oh, she's really,

you seem really grounded, like maybe someone I would guess would have, it feels like you've got good people around you that you've kept grounded and you've never like gone on the, crazy moment or you know like that but um i just wonder with what what what comes to mind for you when i say mad like have you ever been felt on the brink of it yourself or have you witnessed madness yeah i okay what makes me mad so i feel like i've always had this like love hate thing

with social media i think it can there's so many pros to it you know like obviously talking about social issues, like, and things getting spread out quicker. I think that's all great. And obviously, the relationship with my fans, like, I can really sort of speak to them, and that's amazing. But then there's this, like, real dark side. And I think going solo, I've sort of just seen it even more. So, yeah, trolls make me mad.

But then... Do you look? Oh, God, I'm so bad. Oh, no, that's a type of madness. Yeah, the looking. It is. It is. Yeah.

Like, I do still search my name in. X Twitter and I need to I know it's literally the worst one it's the worst one but like I feel like what have you seen on there that was really awful God when I was younger

I guess the black one in little mix can't sing or the black one in little mix da da la la like just little thing well it's not little things it's not awful things but I don't know why I still do it I don't do it as much to look for the negative now.

I think I used to do it when I was younger to look for the negative. And I don't know why. That is definitely probably, that's madness, right? I guess. Yeah, I think it's like, you know, also I think most people in the public eye got there because they want to prove something and maybe don't feel that good about who they are. So try and get the validation of like external sources. Yes.

So if you've got voices in your head saying you're not the best, you're not great, you're not worthy or whatever. or all of your life experiences you might go and look for something to confirm that and that's a bit of an illness I have to stop myself doing it because it can become a bit of an addiction you're like to see this person agrees with me I'm absolutely untalented

crazy and it will be like one person however many positive ones and you still look at that one and it's just yeah I definitely feel like that has been an issue for me but like I said before I feel like I've changed the relationship a little bit where I more so just search, I guess, just in general,

you know, not to look for the negative as much. But the one thing that also makes me mad, though, so obviously, like leaving the group, all of us girls have our own fan bases, naturally. But then obviously we'll have fans that will come with all of us and appreciate all of us. But what makes me mad is, like, going on and seeing the different fan bases attacking each other.

How strange. attacking each other and then attacking each other, us as well like bringing us down and that's so sad it's bizarre because we are all so close and like sisters so why would you then as a fan attack the other guy do you know what I mean it just doesn't make any sense someone you're protective of you're all like are a bit of a family aren't you literally yeah so like you should all support there's a culture of cruelty that's like getting worse and worse and it's responsible for loads of social and political problems like people seem to be enjoying being mean.

Right. Like more than ever, right? Yeah. And I don't know why. What's the closest to being mad you've ever been? That's such a good question. Come on, you've had twins. Of sure.

Literally. Yeah. Do you know what? Yes. The transition from obviously, yeah, not having any kids to all of a sudden having to look after humans like, what? and do you not feel as well like you feel like you're the only person going through it

because yeah you feel isolated even though you have people around you but you still feel oh it's bizarre isn't it like that feeling but and also you said to me before we started rolling that you wanted to do everything by yourself and then at some point

everyone who mucked in it was like no lian it's too hard yeah just having half term as well that's just so intense my first half term. They both just started reception. Yeah. So in school.

And yeah, that was intense. But in the best way, like, they needed a break and, like, it was just so amazing to spend the whole week with them. Like, it was lovely. But I think another thing, yeah, so juggling my time with them, but then trying to put 100% into my career, which is just so kind of impossible now. You know, I don't, I know, how do you feel? Like, do you feel like you can put 100% into something else?

I do think you expand in ways that you didn't expect. Like I think what you're doing, what you can achieve is beyond what you anticipate. Yeah, yeah. But I also think that one thing always falls short. If you do more career than children, you feel like bad for. But actually, Adele gave me some advice because she had the baby first before most of us. And she was like, you have to be rigid in your diary and tell your team that I need to be there from five. till seven every day.

Like me at the minute, I'm like here, and then I'm here, then I'm here, then I'm here, and you just block it in your diary and it's like, this is my time. Leanne, leave me alone. Yeah. And then you can just like do that and dial it back up again.

Do you know what else it is though? Social media is kind of like a full-time job now. So like the content, you've got to be posting every day and you've got to be in people's faces and even the filming the content, there's just so much stuff that you have to get for online. So I think that now feels like

extra job. So I'm kind of like trying to make sure that this is all in line and even though I've got a team to help me, I'm still wanting to oversee everything and like micromanaging. And just it's a sign that you care, which I think means that there's why your stuff is actually brilliant attention to detail. Have you ever been jealous of anyone in your life? Oh. I feel like we all naturally feel a little bit of jealousy. I think at times because I think social media sort of promotes jealousy

it does because everyone looks like they're doing better than you or they're like they're aging better or whatever it is or they've lost their baby weight quicker or I have all these people like after I have babies saying I bet you don't have the cesarean skull

the bit of fat rolling over or whatever and I was like I do but I think everyone just thinks that like you've haven't done anything yeah um yeah so like jealousy do you ever feel or or even jealous of like people you see on socials that you don't know that have the life that's like where they're just full-time mom or something yeah know what you mean because I think it doesn't actually matter what you're going through sometimes like being able to look at your children and see that bestness

like uh doesn't matter like I've literally got you and like this is everything I feel like I've ever worked for anyway without even knowing it like does that that makes sense? Yeah, like some sort of inner peace or something. 100%. Have you ever been pursued by hysterical? Well, I know the answer, but hysterical fans that are a bit mad. So, yeah, they'll let go when they touch you and stuff.

Do you know what? Our fans are actually like, I don't feel like I've ever been like, but there was a time when we was in Japan and literally we had fans of running after us. That was the first time we felt like Justin Rutherberg. Were you running away? Kind of But like where to get to it We had somewhere to go as well

But like it felt like Just this rock star moment Like it was wild Have you ever been a hysterical fan in your life Not a super fan I've been like a fan like I had posters up on my wall Who of?

So I had S Club 7 Justin Bieber Oh my gosh Do you remember Lil Romeo? Yeah I'm obsessed for them Gosh Still

I'm sorry I'm sorry No Yeah Who else did I have Yes all I can remember to be honest That's good I had Diangelo post of RIP So sad

Everyone loved his body Gosh yeah He was more than that though Yeah He was sick Tell me a time that you felt sad Oh, Tamara I felt sad Recently actually

So, end of last year Usually I'll go into my new year Kind of knowing what my year's going to look like Know what it's going to look like And yeah, I would usually have my whole year planned But this new year's, I just, yeah A couple months prior I had a fallout of my label

And basically left them and it was just it was crazy like they weren't responding to us and they were ghosting basically ghosting it was wild and you're actually deep it it's like how can you do that to someone

did they ever give you an explanation so the head actually rang and then exited the call after two rings and I was like okay so I actually haven't ever

No, had no explanation, really. No. Nothing. No. So that was quite brutal. But then it, because you just didn't know what was happening. I didn't know what was going on, no. And I think it's so scary in this industry.

I think you can have everything in one day and nothing, then there. Wild. And then actually when I look back on my early solo career, like, I was doing good. I'm just, it's just, it's weird and it's frustrating. And I don't feel like it was my issue. I feel like it's, it was them. And I just, yeah. That's quite evolved, I think, because half the time I think, it's just in general, not just that, but like in relationships as a whole, when someone's so mean to you and you can't get your head around why, or you're just like, what's motivating this?

Do they just not like me? Or you get paranoid. Really, usually, it is all their star. Yeah. All you've been doing is what you're meant to be doing, which is writing music and putting energy into your way. work and then nothing from them so it's about them really 100% and that's all it would have taken you know about a phone call at least but um so then yeah it felt like a bit of uh that was just a really weird period anyway so left uh went into went independent the next year but yeah so left them

and um literally it was maybe feb my dog who i'd had since a puppy basically like half my life like i got him the year before i got into x factor so he was like 14 years old and he was just like he wasn't himself so I'd come to the vet and they basically said to me oh he might not last the night and it was so abrupt and it all happened so quickly and I refused to believe it

so I rushed into another hospital and did everything that I could to save him and then I had to put him down maybe like two days after and because he was like my baby he'd been on that whole journey with you he's seen every single breakup every single relationship every single emotion I've ever felt and now he's gone and it was just so weird and I didn't

know that grief from a pet could feel like that and actually I don't know it is they are real they are more than pets they are family like they they do make up part of your family so it was just it was just awful and then literally not even a month after my other dog who was six years old, this massive bully, like the most beautiful dog ever. He was just amazing. He swallowed something plastic and he had to have an operation. He had the op and then maybe like, well, on the day of the op as well, after they were like, oh, your boy's doing fine. He's making loads of friends. They sent me this email of pictures of him and I was like, oh, he's okay. And then a couple hours after called me to say that his wound had broken down and he's got a 50% chance of surviving

this operation they have to do. I was like, we'll just do the op. And then he didn't even get to make the op because his body just shut down. So he went. And it was like, so I lost my baby, 14 years old, like just half my life had this dog. And then I lost my other baby. I'm like, in the space of a month. It was so bizarre because then obviously with the label stuff as well, it felt like, bang, bang, bang.

Everything was like against me. It was so weird. And also I think like when you're triggered by something like that, that sort of loss, it illuminates everything else you're feeling about your whole life I didn't even I've never really experienced something where it was like one thing after another like kind of been blessed in that way obviously bad things that happen and whatever but in that period it just felt like it was one thing after another and I haven't really experienced that

and I even like started to think oh is something negative following me and then like wanting to get out of that headspace as well because then I think the more you think like that the more bad things will happen so I I was conscious that I didn't want to feel the pain, so I wanted to get out of it. So didn't really give my self a lot of chance to feel it. Do you know what I mean? Because sometimes it's good to just be in your feeling. Yeah.

And you had the babies by then as well. Yeah, and the girls were really close to them. Oh. But then it was weird as well because we actually adopted a dog. Maybe like, I think it was Jan. So he was around with the other dogs. And they were like a little pack. And then obviously losing the two dogs.

And now we do have Louie still. So I think Louis was almost like an angel that came down just to kind of get us all through it. But it's just weird how things happen, isn't it? It is. It's like just a cycle of bad stuff in a row. And then you're like, what's going on? Oh, my gosh. And is this permanent?

Is it going to keep happening? Yeah. I was actually scared. I remember saying to my friend, I feel like I've lost control of things. maybe that was like the core feeling as well obviously the grief was like important but that feeling of like I've I've not got control of anything yeah it's terrifying isn't it you're still worried about that no I feel like I'm obviously I've had time to like sort kind of get over I guess the dogs but I mean it's weird like you don't really get over

you just kind of like live with it I guess like I'll always remember them and think about them all the time I mean, it's sad. But, yeah, I think we're everything else. Like, even, like, making the decision to go independent and, like, just do this on my own is the best thing that could have happened. Like, I needed this. So, yeah, I've had time to, like, yeah, I'm good. So great. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I didn't realize, like, what it was going to really, really entail being independent because it's a lot of happening. Oh, my gosh. Well, you just oversee absolutely everything. But I don't know. I think this new day of music, this new sort of day and age of music, I feel like independence is the way forward anyway, to be honest.

Well, it means you're in charge of your own business, as well as your artistry. I am my master's bitch. Yeah, it's so good. Good. So screw you guys. Literally. Have you ever felt betrayed? Ooh.

Oh. Yeah. Yeah, I have. I think I went through a bit of a weird time with my husband, actually, and I mean, I wrote a whole EP about it. But yeah, I think that sort of, I guess, like not being totally honest and like losing trust and that kind of portray. I think like heartbreak is wild. Like, it's awful. And especially someone that you're so madly in love with and think that they are as well and they can hurt you, I think is crazy. And how did you patch that up? I mean, how do you make that? Well, I think that person has to want to change. And he did.

And I think you can go through things in relationship. But if they aren't willing to change for you, forget it. Like, they have to do the work. that you have to, yeah, turn it around because, again, it's not you, it's not on you. It's another one of those. Yeah, literally. Does you go and do therapy and all that?

Yeah, yeah, therapy. And just, I think for us, what really helped as well, like he started playing abroad. And it's like he had more time to himself to kind of like look in and realize that everything that he was doing was not, it's not how you make a relationship work. It's not, it's selfish.

I feel like you're quite, you kind of, across as like an quite empathetic, compassionate person that's got a lot of heart and I just want to wrap you in cotton wool. I do. I just feel like nobody treat this girl. Everybody pull me because I'm ready. She deserves the best. Do you feel like you're easily emotional? Yes. What kind of things make you cry? Everything. Gosh. Yeah, I just I feel really hard. and I try to like stop it sometimes so I don't want to cry in everything I do I don't want to cry whenever I talk about trauma

or whenever I talk about any issue and sometimes it could be something I've spoken about before and I was still well up but that's because it's ongoing things aren't solved but you can say your documentary was amazing but there's still a load of racists particularly in this country at this point

which is terrifying and we're like oh my God everyone who's sort of been raised in this we thought we were going forward and then suddenly it was like what's going on we're going back again

we haven't even got to the destination like the scariest I think ever yeah that makes me sad like any films about people who've stood up against injustice for humanity

are the things I just sit and watch and I'm just in bits yeah there's certain things I just can't watch because I'm like I can't even ugh

But, yeah, films definitely make me cry, most films. I still can't not cry over Titanic as well, the ending. And it's just like, why didn't Jack just get let on the board? Do I mean? It's so annoying, though. Like, it could have been so different. Oh, Rose, honestly. Yeah.

But that's annoying. Yeah, films, oh gosh, emotional. I just think in general, to be honest. What about you? I'm quite an emotional person as well. well. I'm moved by, I've cried sometimes over people being really nice. Yeah. Because I feel like I bottle a lot of stuff up just getting on. Yes.

As a person, like, got to get my head down, got to do it. Now I feel sorry for me. I'm lucky. You know, you've said that a few times. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Already in this interview because we all want everyone to know, we are lucky. Oh, yeah. Yeah. But sometimes you just get that thing. And then if someone's just like, look, I can see you're a bit tired today. Or if they say, like, oh, that was really hard what happened the other day. I can't believe you still went on stage. And you're just like, don't. Don't.

Like if someone came up to me and shouted, like, I hate you, I'd be fine. Yes. But if someone comes up to me and it's just like, I can really see some sadness in your eyes to stay, you're okay. Yeah. Then I'm done. Do you wear your heart on your sleeve as well? Yeah. And I also believe that everyone is like that.

So when they're not, I feel really disappointed and more sad than anybody else. Yeah. No, yeah, for sure. I feel like that moves me in a way. Like, why aren't you like this? I like to assume that people are kind. Yeah, yeah. Like when you watch things, you know, on social media again,

it's like so bad for our minds. But like you see people saying the most cruel things and you think, why is this the world that we're raising kids in? Yep. And it always goes back to, I say this line all the time, but I think it's really amazing. My dad always used to say, teach your kids love because the world will teach them hate.

And I just think that is just so true. Like, there is so much hatred and evil. Like, it's crazy. But I guess it's down to us, I guess, to spread as much. And, yeah. And I also think that when I said, like, you get back from your kids, that would be probably the thing they thank you most for. Yeah.

When they're older, you show me pure love all the time. Yes. Oh my gosh. And even when you discipline me, it was out of love. Like I always look back in past ways of discipline and they used to be like,

don't do that because I said so. Whereas I'm like, I don't want you to do that because I'm really worried that you might hurt yourself if you do and I really wouldn't be happy if you did because it would hurt me to see you. And then they're like, oh, not like,

She's being a real boss bitch. Yeah. She cares. Yes. Yeah. So twins are a lot. They're real handful. How long do you think it took for you to get back in your power as an individual?

Oh. Do you know what? I feel like, I feel like my sister constantly reminded me. She was like, Leanne, like you've been blessed with twins because God knows that you can do this. He was like, you've literally been given this to sort of show you your. strength and yeah I think even just having them and breastfeeding them both at the same time and like things like that it's like that is power you know so I feel like how long did you breastfeed them for seven months yeah I wanted to go longer but my body kind of stopped we started to go back to

work we had rehearsals and everything so it just kind of stopped but it's amazing though too for seven month I used to be like powerful amazing oh my gosh so impressive do you think you surprised yourself do you think you're surprised at what you were able to do with yes yes but I think even just one like we were saying before one two three whatever like even just giving birth to one just giving birth and growing a human like even that concept still to me is like how is there a human in your belly and just taking all everything that you have and you know you go through a stage and you're pregnant as well

where your immune system goes down and because they're literally taking all of the good stuff yeah like everything also breast milk's made from your blood I didn't just read that the other day made from your blood it's like that's literally sucking the life out of the age

oh my gosh that makes sense Okay, so how did your younger badass self differ from the media train version of you? Good little myth. What a question. I definitely did have a little bit of a, I would say, like, a rebellious teen era. An edge. I don't even an edge.

I was from like 14 to 18, I think I kind of went through this hard-headed phase. But I feel like it is kind of. kind of common in teens to, you know, go through stages, whatever. Yeah. But I also met a boy. No good. A bad boy. Yeah. He was not good news. And my mom, my family hated him. My best friend hated him. Like, he was just not great. But of course, I was like, madly in love. Madly in love, first love. Like, he was the best thing ever, even though he definitely wasn't.

What was bad about in what sort of stuff? Criminal stuff. Everything you can imagine to be honest. but um yeah there wasn't there wasn't really much good at all so yeah that i think was he quite controlling and all of that stuff not control well not controlling but just mean just not nice and it was like oh gosh just horrendous uh yeah god there's just you know things that you just don't want to but um yeah so it wasn't it wasn't good and then i just remember as well like in school like I was always quite bright had an amazing friendship group and like did quite well in school's head girl like I was kind of like switched on but then

he just consumed everything and then I didn't get the grades that I should have got so then I didn't get into the uni that I wanted and it was all because I was just so focused on him and like I just yeah remember kind of like that kind of just sort of took over but the same time I as well. Like I also had this like, what's the thing? I was so determined and like driven, like knowing I was going to be a pop star. Like I would tell everybody so that I was born in a town called High Wickham and it was quite a small town and I feel like people didn't really like that energy about me. And I think that sort of assurit, is it assurity a word? Like the self-assuredness. Yeah, that's what I had that's so strong

and I just don't feel like it clicked with a lot of people so that's so annoying about I think British culture I feel like we're always trained to be like in America everyone's bigs themselves up don't they? Yeah like confident but you had this strength to go

I'm actually going to do it and you did it I didn't give a fuck what anyone said on I love the bad best Leah I remember even being on stage and I did a note wrong no no I don't even do a note wrong there was a girl that I was kind of like basically I used to be the one to stick up for my friends so I would end up getting in the beef and the drama

because I was sticking up for them so there was one girl that that had happened with so now me and her were beefing because I had stuck up for one of my friends and I was singing and she just shouted dead for everyone to hear I carried on singing good didn't stop me

didn't care oh god yeah that's who's coming back that's who needs to stand I love that. So now that your badass is back, she's ready to conquer the world. And you're in your power about being a mum of twins, which is amazing. Thank you. And you sound quite mentally stable, actually.

I'd say I'm in awe of that because I was definitely not postpartner for a long time. But so what makes you glad today? Oh, gosh. And it can change every day Just today Yeah, today Today what makes me glad I guess

The fact that We are safe right now You know I'm here right now Breathing I have life I'm glad that I Again I got to wake up to my children

And they just make me so happy Such a good age as well Oh my gosh They're just They're wild It's so they're so fun Yeah. They've come out with stuff, don't they? I've got a four-year-old and she's the other day I said, could you do it? And she went, well, technically I can't. And I was like, what? Where'd you get this? Honestly, yeah, they say things. How? Like, where did you even learn that? Yeah. I think what makes me glad is just being rich in love. I think that is what is making me very glad right now. I'm happy for you. Thank you so much. You're wonderful. are this has been so nice oh thank you that is so nice thank you thank you so much yeah thank you

you've inspired me in my new motherhood journey i'm going to read this book and figure out what to do next because i can't remember honestly everything's a blur right i can't remember anything thank you all bye bye the six month approximately 23 to 27 weeks oh i love vian she's inspired I meant me to be a better parent. One, two, three, four! I'm really bad, right and bad. But wasn't that great? All of the links of everything we mentioned in the show

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