Mad, Sad and Bad with Paloma Faith - Mo Gilligan: I Don’t Want To Take My Life For Granted

Episode Date: March 10, 2026

I’ve always LOVED Mo Gilligan (even though he’s from South London and I’m from East, who famously don’t get on!). You might know him from his huge stand-up specials, one of his amazing podcasts or from The Masked Singer, and it was such a pleasure having him on my sofa.We talk all about the madness of stand-up and the never-ending search for the funny in everyday life, from working in retail back in the day (like me 🙌) to booking surprise private jets for his friends. Mo was so honest about how much he’s been affected by getting hate messages online, becoming a dad and how he deals with conflict.His outlook on life is so unflappable and so refreshingly positive. BIG UP MO!You can catch him live on his ‘The Mo You Know’ world tour throughout 2026. Get your tickets here!—Find us on: Instagram / TikTok / YouTube—Credits:Producer: Jemina Rathbone & Emilia GillEdit Producer: Alex ReedAssistant Producer: Alex ReedVideo: Josh Bennett, Jake Ji and Harry SawkinsSound: Rafi Amsili GeovannettiOriginal music: BUTCH PIXYSocial Media: Laura CoughlanExec Producer for JamPot: Ewan Newbigging-Lister & Jemima RathboneExec Producers for Idle Industries: Dave Granger & Will Macdonald Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello, I'm Paloma Faith and this is my show. Each week I welcome someone fantastic into my home to talk about what makes them mad, sad and bad. Roll recording. Hold outside. Paloma, what's going on? You're right. Welcome to the other side of the tent.

Thank you very much. I'm on the East End, man. To you, he's a hugely successful comedian gracing our screens on the our singer, hosting the Brits, chatting to celebs on one of his podcasts, beginning, middle and end, or going viral online, he's sure to make you laugh and is about to set out on another world tour, the mo you know. But to me, he's a guest who I know will have lots in common, as we've both worked in retail for years. While we've both moved on with our careers, I still know how to fold a shirt really well. I hope he does too. We've not really met before,

but I suspect it's because he's from South London and I'm from East, which famously don't get on. But I've got a feeling we might be the exception to that. It's Mo Gilligan. Thank you, thank you very much. That was a lovely intro. Have you ever been close to madness in your life? So when I was single, that was probably the most, I felt probably quite alone. So I was probably even more closer to my friends.

and for New Year's Eve once we were like oh we're going to go to Vegas you know I'd had a good year and I wanted to share that with my friends so a lot of my friends I'm very very close to my friends they've been there from the start and I was like oh I want to go Vegas but I want it to be a surprise

because they didn't know we was going to Vegas and then I was just like guys we're going to go Vegas and I said listen we're going to get a car it's going to drive from L.A. to Vegas and then we start driving and the guys didn't know that I booked a private jet to go from L.A. to Vegas. They're driving.

And one of my, I've got a friend of mine called Javan and he's so on it because he's also my tour manager. So he knows where he'll be, the car will be going one way. And he's like, no, that's not the direction.

We need to be going to go to Vegas. He's so on it that, you know, it becomes annoying. And it's a surprise. Yeah. And we're driving in the car. And then we get to Burbank Airport.

We're driving. We're driving. And he's like, look, And I can see him looking around like Duran gets quite busy. He's looking around that. All right, okay, cool. He must be on a diversion. The driver knows.

And then I was just like, yeah, by the way, guys, we're going to get a private jet to Vegas. And seeing my friends turn into like eight-year-old kids are like, what? What? We're going to a private jet? What? Are you serious? I was like, yeah, yeah. I bet when you were working in retail, you never thought you'd be on a private jet.

No way ever. Don't get me wrong. That was the first time and last time. I've not been back on one since. It's just scary to me that you might just fall out of the sky. The turbulence is horrible. The turbulence is like, oh, oh, okay. Oh, it was meant to be a good idea.

But you know, like, they get you any food you want. So what did you order? So me being me, I wrote like, I was like, so we got Popeyes. You know, Popeye's chicken. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Got to keep it hood a little bit, in it? So, yeah. And then, but it was as an experience, it was to like have those experiences.

Shared with my friends. Because we had never done this stuff before. I'd never done. And then we met the rest of my other friends in Vegas. But it was funny because the friends who flew from London to Vegas, they were very much like, oh, I kind of would have liked to go to L.A. now. And I still post the pictures to this day. It's definitely a single man's move as well.

Like if you had a girlfriend, she'd be like, you should not be wasting money on it. Why would you do that? Yeah. We want to save it for the fun throughout the house. But definitely the maddest thing that I've done in a sense of just being super spontaneous. Are you afraid of actual madness? Or do you think you're, have you ever experienced it? Well, I don't know.

Like comedy's a bit mad when you think about it. Do you know what I mean? Sometimes I do sit there and I'm like writing material and I'm like, this is absolutely insane. Yeah, but you know it's mad like, pull over because I'm not controversial. I'm not edgy. I'm not. But also, there are times where I like music. So I try to incorporate music in my material. So I will have, you know, a band and I'll have a bit of material and I'm practicing it. And there's times where I'm like, I'm going to step out in front of 15,000 people. I'm not a

musician. And I've got this song, which is a comedy song, and I need it to go well. And I'm just like, I don't know what I'm doing, man. I swear to you, there's times. But it's like, yes, I know it works, but there's also times where I'm like, this isn't my craft. Comics don't do stuff like this. Why have I put myself in this anxious position? So anxiety, I guess. I think in life we have to find the funny. You know, we look for the funny in every situation.

Even the tragic. Yeah, like yesterday I was going to, I was at this event I was hosting. And on the way there, I'm really nervous. But then an idea for a joke came and I had to write it there and then. And you're always looking for the funny. So even when I'm out and about and I'm on the train and I'm listening to something back and I'm like, it's the funny and that. So people look at me and like, oh God, he looks really serious, man. And it's just me like, no, no, I'm just looking for, I've got this idea.

I'm just trying to connect the puzzle in my head that makes sense. I wouldn't say I'm a massive introvert though. I can become that. I don't watch comedy. I'll be honest. I like watching documentaries. You know, that's the thing as a comic. Well, you can't really because you don't want to accidentally steal someone's joke.

Yeah, but also like comics. Like, do you know what it is? Comics who really watch, they'll be like, oh my God, have you seen, have you seen this one? The special of this guy? And you're like, I'm like, I don't know, you know. I don't know who that is. And sometimes I don't know who some people are. And I'll just say yes.

They say, oh my God, you must have seen the new Christopher Collins stuff, man. It's amazing. I'm like, yeah, yeah, man. It's amazing, isn't it? What's the maddest thing that happened to you when you worked in retail? You got any good stories? I remember once Ian Wright came in, when I worked at Joe Malone, he came in. And that for me was like a childhood moment because I was.

I used to work in a stock room. So guys to work with was like, hey, mate, I might guess who's upstairs? I said, who's that? He's like, Ian Wright's upstairs. I said, no way. So I went to just stock. We didn't even need stock. And I came up and I seen Ian Wright.

Busy, busy. I know. I could have. I could, because it was Christmas time as well. So you always get people coming and buy candles and stuff. And I went up and I was like, oh, you're right, right. And he was like, yeah, was that, man, you're right. Yeah.

And I was like, I went down to. I was, because he's the reason why I support Arsenal, Ian Wright. So seeing him in the shop. was like, and then I met him, and it was like a full circle moment where I went to an Arsenal game. And then all these like fans were like surrounding him. And I got to, I got to go to a box for the first time. And I was so shy. And I wanted to say hi, but I didn't.

I served you one. Yeah. And then he, he, I seen him. And I was like, I want to say hi, but I don't like, I don't want to, you know, he's Ian right. And all I heard was him go, Mo. Is that Mo? Oh, my God, man. You're so funny.

Come over here, man. Oh, that's nice. And it was the best full circle moment. I served Beyonce once. Where? In the shop that I worked in the knicker shop. Is it? Yeah.

Beyonce? Yeah. I went to a restaurant and seen Beyonce in Jay-Z in LA. Sort of when you work in retail, it's like the highlight of the day. It's like someone comes in. You know who came in? That's big, man. She held my hand because I was like nice to her.

It was a long story, but someone was really rude to her. And I dealt with it quite sort of well. And she was like, thank you so much. And then, you know, whatever. And then she held my hand and she said, you're a really special pass. It's like being touched by God. And she was like, I wish you all the best in your future. And I've never seen her since.

But I really wanted to tell her one day maybe a little bit of her luck transferred on to me. Wow, that really trumped my story, though, you know. Well. Yeah, Ian, right. You was holding that, isn't it? You was like, yeah. Beyonce. Met Beyonce.

Oh, wow. Tell me a time you've been sad. Oh, sad. I think my saddest is probably I've got to formally O2 for the second time. I think it might have been, I'm very good with years. So this might be 20, 23 actually. 2023. And I was on tour.

I was on my second tour. And I remember it was the night before the show. And I was by myself. I was living by myself at the time. And then I'm trying to write my material. And then start procrastinating. And I go online and I've seen this message, this DM. This is when my DMs used to be open, not open in the sense that I'd message people back.

But anyone could message me. And I've seen this message and it was so brutal. My head was gone. Because I done like a work in progress, I think, like, which was that where I was working on some of the stuff, probably at two, three days before. And it was so detailed of like, oh, you know, you've changed. I used to watch your early stuff. And when you said that material about that and I didn't like it. And it was so personal.

And because I'm trying to write the show in time, it's so, it wasn't a critique to whether I was good or at my job. but it was a critique to the material myself and how they have perceived me, which some of it was fantasy as well. So some of it was like, you've changed because now you made a bit of money and da-da-da-da-da. Some of those things, I'm like, all right, well, that's just your fantasy. But then the critique of the material and me and all those things together in this long paragraphed message, which, you know, like when you read it, you're like, I don't want to read it, but I do also want to.

Because in the bully saying, read it, read it. Read it. Confirm all your doubts. Oh my God, I was absolutely rattled. I promise you. And then doing the show, just before I walked out, I'm always a big believer in like, if something happens before we're about to go out, you get this little sign from God. And it's up to you how you take that sign. It's either positive or negative. Just before I was about to walk out, curtain dropped at the O2 Arena in front of what, 15,000 people. in my head I just thought the whole curtain dropped it was only like a little click click

but again I was just scattered you're like now it's wrong yeah I was just like that's God sign telling me that this is not and I remember doing that being on stage just not feeling the material I looked at someone in the front

they were sleeping I never forget that oh my God that absolutely rattled me you know the plan was like not even like a he was like you know when that he's comfortable sleeping

he's like he's like this oh paloma I was absolutely rattled do you think he felt a lot of self-doubt after that did you get imposter syndrome I don't get imposter syndrome but it was definitely self-doubt

where it was just like should I really yeah it was like did I need all these other things and I didn't need anyone to tell me that it was good afterwards because I knew it was terrible and I remember locking myself

in my dressing room and I just had probably about 40 minutes just to be by myself. Were you crying? I didn't cry. Do you cry? I do cry. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not tears. No, it's not tears.

Have you never done that? I'm normal. You know what it is? My cries don't come out. So when they do, I can feel it. You're crying, but they don't drop. But then when it drops, it does look a bit dramatic. I can't lie.

Because it goes in the beard as well, isn't it? The sheen. Like a morning dew on the grass, on the grass. So you just see the tears still there. But my cries don't always come out. Are you comfortable crying? Yeah, no, I am, definitely. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

What things have made you cry? I definitely think death. Sometimes whenever someone close to me dies, that's when, like, it's hard because I look at death as a celebration of life in some ways. So if anyone close to me passes, it's like, oh man, I remember all those amazing memories. So whenever someone I know who's close to me passes away,

it's this tear of sadness, but it's almost like, I'm like, wow, look at the amazing life you've got to live and all the memories we have about you and what you've done and everything. And everyone has their own story of the first interaction they had with you. Do you think death makes you cry more than say heartbreak. You cried over

relationships before? I'd be lying up or so I didn't cry in the relationship but I don't think I've cried over them. Not at the end. Not that I can really remember. Cold-hearted men? No, I think, you know. No, I think men are a little bit different though because I don't think we show our emotions

in the moment. Some men. Yeah, but I think I don't want to always generalise men but I think women are great at being in a relationship and let's say the relationship is ending and they say they're going to pour out how they feel and this is how I feel and I want to tell you. And men can be very cold and be very distant. And it's only until maybe that the relationship is ended. It's some men have the reflection of like, oh, okay. Oh, all right.

This is, that was intense now. But I think in the time, because so many men are so used to putting up their guard. Yeah. Which is very much like, I'm going to be guarded, going to be guarded. And then when a guard comes down is when you're by yourself and you're like, do you think that's because of upbringing? Were you, like, can you think about your childhood? Were you like raised to be, don't cry or whatever?

Or do you think it's social or what? No, I used to cry as a kid. Like, yeah, I used to be a crier. Like, ah! That's probably the real you. Yeah, yeah. But definitely as a kid I would cry. I just think as you get older and where you surround.

around yourself, especially when you go from being a teenager to your, into your 20s, vulnerability is not something that you want to show to anyone until you get to a stage of your life. I'm very comfortable being vulnerable. I think men who are vulnerable are sexy. That's just my opinion. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, wow, he's in touch with his feelings. Bring it out. And I think, but I think, do you know why? I think because women know their feelings and they can say them out loud to their friends and say, oh my God, I feel like this and gone through this. And if you can meet a man who also can match that and say, yeah, I also feel that. You're like, oh, my God, wow.

Because nine times out of ten, you'd be like, okay, I'm going to be a bit close off, a bit guarded, because I don't know how you're going to perceive this vulnerability. I grew up like on a housing estate and a council estate. So when you grew up in that environment, like no one's dads was showing themselves being vulnerable, like none of the older boys, none of the younger boys, sometimes even people's moms as well. showing their vulnerability, you know, even though you was vulnerable, you know, people's skin and you had to ask your neighbour for some sugar, but you still had to go and be, hey, how are you right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I couldn't actually, you ain't got a cup of sugar up. Y'all. Don't get

paid them skin till Monday. But everyone knows that you're all in the same environment. So you would say, yeah, like, I'll borrow some sugar. In it together? Very important thing. Yeah, like, unless you're in it, that's the only way you can see it. You think you still have that in some ways. Like, what, you've got a new baby, haven't you? Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, will that, is it a girl boy? A girl. Yeah, I've got a son as well. So sweet.

Yeah. Do you think they will have that sense of community growing up? Yeah, yeah, of course. You know, especially when I became a dad with my son and, you know, me being with him and going to the park and some of my friends was like, hey, like, I'll go with you. Do you know what I mean? And them just small things of like, I've got his backpack and got his nappies in there and stuff and whatnot. And, you know, I sit there and I'm just like, oh my God, I ain't got any, I ain't got no nappy cream. Got any wipes?

Yeah, that's me in the park. time. Yeah. Yeah. But like my friends would definitely, you know, them also being dads and they're great dads and just asking them, just small bits of advice of, you know, this and them saying to me, yeah, like, it's all right. Like I've got some cream if you want the cream and whatnot or like I watch the buggy while.

But my friends would help me in that sense of, especially when I first became a dad and I'd take him to the park and stuff or, you know, it was just asking small bits of advice, you know. And I feel like now, like when you have that sense, even like when I go to the park with him now and you've got all the other parents and you know, you get other parents to just look out for you and just be like, oh, you're right. I know you wanted to use a swing. Do you want us to grab a swing for you? You're like, oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Thank you so much, man. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And that's only happened recently of just, you know, being a father and going to the swings. I didn't find a community. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Other parents that it would be like, oh, excuse me. Is that your pram? Yeah. It's just that like, you know, it's raining, we're going to put them under the trees. And you're like, oh, oh, right, I never, I didn't know this, man. People helping each other out. Yeah, yeah. That's so nice, isn't it?

Something should be held on to. We had that growing up where, you know, someone would stop a car and be like, hey, you're more, isn't it? Yeah, I know your mum, man. Yeah, yeah. Are you, man? Get off the phone box, man. And you're like, oh.

What are you doing the sky? Yeah, yeah. Kicking the phone box. Yeah, you're like, oh, I use that. And then you'd be like my mum's, like, work friend or whatever. But it was that sense of community that you give, You know, you surround kids with that. The phone boxes back in the day were like slot machines for London kids.

Oh, yeah, man. I remember we used to ring up the phone box and just asks for the time. Did you ever do that? You press 100. Excuse me, what's the time? Do you remember the time sponsored by Accurus? Do you remember that? Yeah. You just think I was the time. My favorite thing as a kid was ringing up directory inquiries and asking for like Mickey Mouse's number or the President of America's. And then being like, we've traced your call.

and we're calling the police and then getting worried. They don't give out the yellow pages anymore. Do you remember that? Yeah. When they used to bring out, they used to deliver it to your house and it would just be outside in the plastic. They don't do that anymore. The yellow pages, man.

I know. The landline. Bad. Have you ever done anything you regret or you feel maybe you shouldn't have done? I'm at an age now where, like I've got children. So I've got to set the example. Do you know what I mean? Even now, like I have this rule,

if I get into a bit of road rage, I have a three second rule. You're doing. You're an idiot. You cut me up. And after that, you're like, uh, it's done now. My thing with road rage is I laugh at the person and it always diffuses it. Oh, yeah, yeah.

So they're going, and then I go, and they're like, oh, there's no animosity coming back. It works, it works a lot, you know. Most of the time, unless they're really angry. Yeah, with road rage. I remember once this guy, we were going to, like, I think he was going in and I was going out. And again, we both put our windows down. And I was like, bro, come on, man. It's too expensive to be hitting our cars, man. Like, and he was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then he was like, hang on, wait, Walt Gilligan. He's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like, oh, man, yeah, love

and stuff, man, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I just think that humor just diffuses so many situations in life. I think that's what I'm quite lucky to have in my arsenal as a comic is to be able to, like, diffuse the situation with humor. The baddest of situations with, you know, it's like, this is a bit tense. Have you been in some? What kind of tense things you mean? Mainly just, I don't get into tense situations, but you know, like, if, I don't know, if my friends are having an argument and I know, like, this can keep going left because

no one's giving up the argument. And then if you're able to just drop humour in there, especially with guys as well, and you're like, all right, come on, man, like, man. You know you two are friends. Why are you like, you're not going to fight him? And it's just that stuff where it diffuses the situation enough that, it's like okay we can all laugh at this situation do you know what I mean yeah how do you deal with um you as a parent do you how do you deal with like discipline or like if well the little

one's too small to be naughty but what about your little boy is he ever a bit cheeky or no he's cheeky boy I absolutely love it because I kind of see myself good it's a real personality I shouldn't laugh I'm one of those parents where he'll do something and he's not he's not Does he swear? No, no, no, he doesn't swear. How old is he? How old is he? Mine swear a lot.

Do you know, do they swear? Oh my God. Constantly. How old are your children? And then they will say in front of people. But you taught me. Oh, my God. And I'm like, I didn't teach and they're like, well, you do it all the time.

And I'm like, how can I? One's nearly five and one's nine. Okay, okay. Oh, that's when they're at the age, though, in it? Oh, my God. They swear so much. Yeah, yeah. No, he don't, so.

And I've got a rule that. Like, okay, now we've, I can't even deny it. So I have to say, just don't do it in school. Yeah. Like, it's fine, just don't do it in school. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So when they're at home, like, Mom, where's my fucking dinner? No, not so much like that.

But they might be like, oh, fuck save when they drop something. Do you laugh? Do you enjoy it? No, I say, you know you're not supposed to be doing that. And then the little one's not quite at the age yet. So she'll say, Mama, she said the bad word. Oh, she's snitching. Yeah, she'll go, she said the bad word to me.

Oh, man, what do you say? What did she say? Fat, that's the bad word in my house. We don't say that one, but we can say all the swear words. So you were a cheeky kid. I was so cheeky, man. Tell me some cheeky stuff you did. I was so cheeky.

I was cheeky and I was a wind-up merchant. That's what my sisters always say. Tell me your best prank. I didn't have a crazy prank, but I remember once my sisters bought my mum a really nice vase. and it was a surprise and they were so excited that they saved up this money and bought my mom a vase

and I remember they came back and they were so excited and it was my mom's birthday and it was like mom guess what we saved some money we got you something and there's me just be like

it's a vase and my sisters were so mad that you told her the surprise yeah I was like mom it's a bars in there it's like shut your mouth man I was like it's a boss they saved up their money I was in the cinema the other day

and someone was talking and I don't like confrontation I really don't like it and if I really have to confront someone I have to really like push myself to be and someone with these two people talking to the point where no one wanted to say anything it was at every man's cinema

and you know every man's so nice because you've got the so far in I don't know yeah you know you got the it's just that middle class dream yeah and people were talking and I just said like excuse me like guys you just be quiet like i get your talking but there's no point to come to the cinema and they were quiet and i was like bro way that felt quite quite powerful bro right don't get me wrong like

i can confront someone when i need to talk up for myself if i see something that i don't like and i'll definitely address the situation but in moments of those moments where you're you're out and about and i've seen those moments go and turn left where it says hey shut up bro i'm talking What were you going to say, bro? Because then I'm like, I'm not going to say anything. Just pulsing. But I don't get into much bad stuff, you know. I'll be honest, I feel like for me in the place that I'm in, one in my life where like, you know, I'm a father, I always want to set a good example.

And also, like, I know that I'm a black man in a media spotlight where... Everyone's waiting for you to trip up so they can say... But it's not even trip up, but it's almost just like I won't get a second chance. Do you know what I mean? I understand. So in terms of me getting into the road rage, I've seen road rage where people get out of the car and something might not have happened,

but I know if I was to get out of the car, what are you fucking doing? And someone films that. And I know how that could go left for me. I know I won't have the chance to redeem myself. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, there would not be another go. Because I'm not a comic who's edgy.

I'm not the person who's, you know, I don't feel like I'm a comic who's, I'm pushing the boundaries of where this can go. I'm not. I'm just talking about how mum dances at a wedding or how you don't know what bin you need to take out whether it's the recycling, the black one or the grass bin. Do you know what I mean? And who can relate to that? Like, you know, it's those, that's the... That's your material. It's the observational material that provides the escapism. So I think for myself, I'm never going to... That's just never going to be me to be a comic who's like, yeah, man, let's push this, man. Sex drugs and rock a roll. I know, but I also know that how people watch my stuff and relate to it. I get, I go to prisons and I meet the prisoners and he's like, yo, bro, I watch your stuff, man. Like, you, I feel like, I know you. And I'll be honest, bro, like, you on Mars singer, I watch that because I feel like,

you want to demand them on TV or you and Big Nasty, like, I remember once Big Nasty, he was like, oh, big up, big up, all the J-wing or something like that. And I went into this prison and all these guys were like, hey, bro, I don't think you realize we get our snacks. We got our juice. When you lot said big up the J-Wing, everyone was banging their doors. And it's those moments that make you sit there and you're like, right, I'm so privileged to be in this position. So who am I to become, you know, it's rock star lifestyle and I can start doing the madness?

Because I'm not going to get that chance if it goes left. Do you know what I mean? You know? I get it. I've obviously, it's like a completely different experience that I've got in the world because I'm not a black male. But once I got into, um, the cab after like a big event and there was loads of paparazzi and I didn't want to be photographed because there was too many and I was a bit stunned and I was on my own so I crawled

into the black cab like on all fours so that and I was like just drive so they couldn't take pictures of me sitting up and be seen and the next day all the paper said I was too drunk to sit on the chair but I don't drink so I was like I was completely sober I was just trying to get away that it's that sort of thing where one phone's it's it. photo and everyone thinks something and it can be twisted. They don't even take pictures of me though. I'll go to some events and they have the camera and I'll be like, oh, let me, let me, let me, let me get the good side profile.

They'll be like, nah, we're right. No, no, no. But they don't. I've gone to, you know, I remember doing the Brits and I'm hosting the Brits and, you know, you do that kind of long red carpet and stuff and loads of publications were there. And I don't forget it was me, a good friend of mine, Javan. I work with a lot of my friends as well. And yeah, no one wanted to interview us.

It was like, I'm like, raw, you know, I'm hosting this. No one wants to ask me how I'm, hey, you're doing the Brits. How are you feeling? Why do you think that is? I don't know. I just don't think that I am, I don't feel like I'm that newsworthy. And I know that I would be more newsworthy if it went left. And I was bad and I was unruly.

And I was, you know, a unpredictable. Rock star, whatever in it. But I also think it's also a comedy thing. I just don't feel like as a, as a comedian. media, there is that, oh, we want the picture of him. And, you know, if I came out drunk, I might be different. If I'm just leaving and I'm sober and, you know, it's been a good night. They're like, who wants to, who wants that picture in the newspaper? Do you know what I mean? I get it. Does it get to you when you've been treated unfairly like that?

No, not really, because it's just a bonus. Do you know what I mean? No one wanted to get, you don't become a stand-up comic to be like, oh my God, no one wants to talk to me at the red carpet, man. No one's to take my picture. How dare they, man? I'm hosting. You know, I think That's part of your ego that can come into play. But I'll be, there's parts of me where I was like, oh, I would have liked to be an interview too. It's my first time here. And I am hosting.

If I was just a guest, I'd be like, I get it, isn't it? But I am hosting the whole thing, you know? I've got quite a big joke here. Yeah. Yeah, I've got, I know everything that's going on. So there is a part of me, but also it's not what, when I go on stage and it's me doing the thing and hosting it, that's the thing. That's the thing that you,

I've got friends and family and they sit at home and they're like, I know that person. My mum's sitting there like, that's my son introducing Ed Sharon on stage. And I think they're the moments that make it really worthwhile. Yeah. And I just think the more you can tap into that, the better you'll enjoy what it is that you get to do.

And there are sometimes we're like, you know, I was just talking about sometimes it's like, it's what it is, man. You take the rough with this move. All of this, all of these, negative things will lead us to what makes you glad. At the end of the day, what's the, what's the glad, where's the glad coming from? I just think, I know I'm like, when you look at the percentages of the 0-000-000-000-0-0-0-1%, they get to do, you know, the job that I get to do, you know, sometimes I might sit here and, you know, you're sitting there, you know, I'd like

to be interviewed, but then you sit there and you're like, I get to sell out an O2 and go on a world tour and meet some of my heroes, that stuff is the stuff that still blows my mind and makes me wake up early to be that I need to write that bit. Yes, I'm going to do this DJ thing and it might not work, but I really want it to be good for you, if you in the room. The things that sometimes you can take for granted of doing this job where you sit there and you're like, oh my God, look what I'm doing.

This is, look who I'm around. Like, I went to an event yesterday. And I was like, it was a lovely event And I looked at a right, I'm like, that's Margot Robbie. Oh my God, rough. I was watching Wolf of Wall Street like two three days ago. But it's those like I still sit my,

I still sit there and I'm pinch myself that I'm in those rooms and I'm in those places and, you know, people all come to my shows, but also I'll meet some young boys who are locked up and they'll say like, yeah, like we watch your stuff and we really like what you're doing because we see ourselves. And I think they're the moments that. make it worth it.

Yeah. You know, yes, there's going to be times where someone sends your horrible message, but it's knowing that I get to go to bed in a bed I got to chose

and a house I got to choose and live in and have an environment where I go downstairs and I've got food and stuff in my cupboard and safety and friends and family, you know, that keep me grounded. And yeah, all right,

I've got that bad message. But guess what I get to do again, though. Do you know what I mean? And then I get to go on a private jet whatever it is with my friends. And I think they're the things that really make it like, okay, this is a very privileged position.

You don't take it for granted. Yeah. So even like going back to like getting, getting mad or getting super bad or doing mischief and you sit there and you're like, I don't know if I need to, you know. I don't know if I need to kick off in the car with someone. It's like, it's like. I'll just state with what I've got.

Thanks. Yeah, it's like, do you know what? You can call me everything under the sun you want. But guess where I'm going? I'm going to film my podcast. That's my job. And that's, that is those things that you sit there and you're like,

what a very nice position to be in. But thank you for coming on the podcast. No, thank you. I know you've got to do the school run now. Yes, doubling up. Single mum. That was an absolutely lovely chat. Thank you.

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