Mad, Sad and Bad with Paloma Faith - Trixie Mattel: I Wish I Called Home More When My Drag Career Took Off

Episode Date: August 11, 2025

Trixie Mattel is a drag queen who rose to fame in Season 7 of RuPaul’s Drag Race, and later won Season 3 of the All-Stars, but more importantly, she took my song, Bad Woman, and turned it into a banging gay anthem!Together we chat about heartbreak and the madness it can drive us to, but the solace of boredom and simple things. We laugh about how full glam can be embarrassing when parenting and also when you’re stopped at customs travelling with a suitcase of drag outfits (or disguises!). We also talk about the state of America and the mess of keeping yourself informed whilst not losing your mind - Trixie spoke about not running but staying to fight the fight.I had so much fun with Trixie - we even have a little impromptu performance of Bad Woman - heaven! Now please can you help me get on RuPaul's Drag Race as a guest judge??#TRIXIEMATTEL #PALOMAFAITH #MADSADBAD—Find us on: Instagram / TikTok / YouTube—Credits:Producer: Jemima RathboneVideo: Grisha Nikolsky & Josh BennettSound: Shane O'BryneMix: Rafi AmsiliOriginal music: BUTCH PIXYSocial Media: Laura CoughlanExec Producer for JamPot: Jemima RathboneExec Producers for Idle Industries: Dave Granger & Will Macdonald Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello, I'm Paloma Faith and this is my show. Each week I welcome someone fantastic into my home to talk about what makes them mad, sad and bad. Roll recording. Yeah, I'm just so a ball guy. I'm the driver. Oh, God. It's you. It's really me. God, you could have made an effort.

I know, I'm sorry. I lost that. Yeah, I lost the other thing. It's devastating you. Your paws are really good, though. Oh, thank you. I thought you were going to be a good thing. You lost your makeup devastating.

Your pores are really big. To you, she's a drag race star, sashaying onto our screens in 2012 and going on to win the all stars in 2018. She is officially the most followed queen from drag race and host of the hugely successful podcast with friend Catcher, the Bald and the Beautiful. She launched her own cosmetics brand,

Oh Honey, with a portion of the sales going to charity and is New York Times bestselling author. But to me, she's someone I've actually never met, but has remixed my song Bad Women and turned it into a banging gay anthem. I'm so excited to have you on. But first, what pronouns should I use today and which name? Oh, he is good.

And you can say Trixie. Everybody says Trixie. Trixie and he is fine today. It's Trixie Mattel. Oh, my gosh. Do people know that we're just like in your house? Yeah. They do.

Yeah. If anybody knows me, don't you guys think our houses look kind of similar? I'm telling you, my living room is this type of wallpaper with animal print with gold and pink. Do you love eBay too? Because that's basically how I've done up my whole house. Oh God, a late night eBay, like death spiral for sure. I'm really been interested in getting an aviary for the backyard. Like, imagine beautiful finches.

Yeah. I love birds. And imagine like beautiful. I love thrush. Thrush? The bird. Oh, I've never heard of that. Oh, it's that or a yeast infection.

I was going to say, isn't it an STI or something? I love that. The kids are at school. They won't hear it. But hopefully they're getting... I love STIs. Love STIs. How many of you had?

Gosh, well, I got crabs when I was 19. And then I got gonorrhea once, but I've had plenty of scares. Yeah. You know? Just like it. she and realize it's the shower gel. That can, girl, that literally has, I can't tell you how many times it has happened to me. Because, you know, we travel and we use sometimes the soap and the hotels.

Yeah. And my body can't take like a heavily fragranced shower gel. Yeah. And so then I get like a little special feeling and I'm like, here we are. But I'm like, I haven't hoard around. So how would this have happened? Is it immaculate conception of gonorrhea? I don't think so.

You sat on a toilet seat and got it. I got pregnant. Did you? Could you? I got pregnant. Did you get pregnant by sitting on the toilet seat? If only it was that easy. I've been really thinking about having...

I have trouble conceiving too. What are your issues? Well, having a penis is like a big impediment for me. Oh, really? And for you. I have that problem as well. It's the same problem. It's the safe space for everyone here.

I don't think being pregnant is easy, but I do think it seems like they make adoption of stuff really expensive. So, God, at some point when I would love children, I would love to wake up pregnant. Yeah, it's quicker and easier. But I don't think it looks easy. Shout out to the pregnant divas. I think it looks hot.

It looks hungry. It looks sore. It is. All those things. And I've done it twice. Did you like it? No. Some people love it.

It's awful. It's awful. Yeah. Can I ask a question? I'm obsessed with when children are embarrassed of their parents being recognizable. Oh, yeah. Are your children, if another mom is like, oh, my God, I love your records. Is your kid like, what the fuck, bitch?

Get out of here. Like, I love that. The older one who's eight. I love that. And the four-year-old's like, yeah. She'll just like, because she's quite fabulous, my four-year-old and my eight-year-old's kind of a bit emo. Right.

So the eight-year-old's like, oh, I love that. It's so weird. I love that. I think it's so awesome. I remember I did a show with Mel B. And she was like, and she was like, I was like, I was like, oh, you know, I go to parent-teacher conferences. and she's like, I try to just wear a, you know, just the idea that when you do. Like a cap and try to say or whatever.

Because you know your kids are like, Mom, stop. And it's like, I just walked out of the house. What do you want me to do? I think that's so funny being, being, like, embarrassed of the parent being recognizable. I think it's funny. Yeah, my daughter, because I said to you, I relate to the drag thing. Like, if I'm wearing makeup to like a school thing, she'd be like, why do you have that on your face? She wants you to put on the potato sack and the-

wants me to be like drab like you know gym clothes, gym clothes, transparent skin. Right. Like no brows. Right. Just like. Well, I mean, how far do you go? Do you get the full spray tan for the teacher conference?

No, I go scruffy. Okay, good. And she's, but if I've gone straight from work, so I'm like, sorry, darling, I was in a rush. Like, if I'm wearing this to the parent. She's just like, I'm like, sorry. See, I love that. You're like, it's like the opposite. Yeah.

Have you ever watched Rupal's Drag Race? Yes, of course. This, um. That's where I get all my style ideas. I'm desperate to be on it. I just want to say... You've never been on it? I have been literally begging in the most undignified way

to be a guest judge on that show since its incarnation. And then it came to the UK and I was begging harder. And they just say, sorry, there's no room for you this season every time. And I was literally raised not by wolves, but by dress. drag creams. This is my appeal. Rue. Do they do your music? Have they ever lip sync to your music on the show? I'm sorry if it's getting uncomfortable. I'm sorry that I waited outside your house for so long.

You're outside with a boom-bond? Yeah, just like, pick me. Yeah. I'm sorry, pick me, pick me, pick me, pick me. Well, Michelle Visage, I always think of her because she has children and she's so glamorous. And I always think like, I love my mom. My mom might put on eyebrows for Christmas, right? She's not getting in drag, right? Yeah.

But I always think, like, if your mom's Michelle Visage, Is that weird that your mom's like getting red carpet ready walking around the house? But I guess that's all you know. Yeah, but they do probably go, mm. Right. Like my mom is quite fabulous as you've just met her in her brightly colored top and pink hair. And I think as a kid I was a bit like, oh, God. And my mom would be like, your clothes is so dowdy and plain.

Because as a teenager, I just wear like a t-shirt and jeans and that was it as my rebellion. Yeah. And she'd be like, turn around and put some lipstick on and then come back downstairs. I think that's what kind of parent would be. Can I be, I don't want to, I don't want to be problematic. But something I have an issue with is when you have your ears pierced and you leave the house without anything in. That's very old school to me. The holes.

Plug the holes. I'm not saying it has to be fashion. It hasn't have to be chandeliers. Yeah. Put a pencil erase in there. I don't give a fuck. Just a tiny hoop, a stud. Give me something.

The holes, the exposed holes. Weird. Yeah. But, you know, out of drag, I think a lot of the drag queens like to express themselves. They like to do further storytelling with suits and hats. And I out of drag like to look. I can see you don't. Yeah, I like to look normal.

Boring. This was my fancy shoe for today. But is that a kind of drag? Well, we're always trying to tell a story with our clothes. And it's like, what are you trying to tell people? I guess I'm trying to tell people that I know I'm not. There's more to me than my outfits. I'm, we're like.

I just want to be seen. Or like the radio is off. There's no music playing right now. Like, you don't have, I'm not trying to tell you more right now. You can almost ignore me. I want to wear a white t-shirt and jeans, and I don't want anybody to have a feeling one way or the other about it. But you've got a personality that doesn't allow you to fade into the background.

You can wear gray shoes all you like. Thank you. But you're a diva. Right. I'm talking about mad, sad and bad. So, mad, are you a proud American? Oh, my God. Can I say...

Can I say I was on the way here and I was preparing for these questions and I was like, well, if we're talking about really what makes me feel those things, how can it not be the state of the United States? It's really a mess, isn't it? It's a mess. It's full of STDs. Well, I was that, if that was. Like political SDDs. Oh, completely. If our only problem was gonorrhea.

Yeah. It's got, you guys have got political all the STDs right now. All of them. And we're not sharing with our partners. We're spreading it around, you know, be in proper slags. It's terrible. It's really scary. It's awful.

And I watch, you know, like 16 hours of news a day, which I know is a lot. But I just leave it on. I want to know. And on one hand, it's traumatizing and terrorizing. But the other hand, I feel like if this moment in American history is happening, I am not going to be somebody who changes the channel. I want to know. Do you worry that if you watch and you're too exposed to it, the madness,

that it will desensitize you to it and you'll start to think that it's okay. and it's part of the brainwashing. I hope not. To me, the more I consume, the more concerned I am. I love to watch the news, but I get nervous. And then I'll have too much caffeine in the morning and then watch the news. And then I start the day like, oh, I watch the news and chugged a red bull and now I'm freaking out. Do you freak out?

Have you got bad anxiety? Not really, but lately I'm like, why am I always freaking out? I think I consume too much caffeine. But I'm one of those people that I feel American and a lot of us want change. You're like, I'm American but not that kind of American. A hundred percent. I mean, I'm not going to chicken out and leave right now. I feel like it's important to stay and keep the wig on and fight and, you know, I'm not going to run away.

I was born there. You know, I've never lived anywhere else. This is the only country I'm used to. So I don't know. I just don't think it's a radical idea that we should be able to help each other out. I don't think that's radical because you never know. know when it could be you. Have you ever felt like you're going insane? Oh, yes. Oh, yes. Talk to me about it. I went through a separation and it was with somebody that I had done television with and, you know,

we were on TV together. We opened a motel together. And because of the way TV works, 10 years it was, right? Yeah, seven years. And we were creative collaborators and great friends. And then because of the way TV works, we had filmed a whole season of television about us and our, you know, home and stuff, but we had since separated. And one of the craziest I've ever felt was like that being on TV, but that relationship not being in place anymore. And it was like your secret that, you know, that relationship was not happening anymore. And that was weird.

It's something I'm very used to being 100% honest with the audience. So I'd never operated from a place of like delayed truth telling, I guess, of like, oh, they don't know that this relationship is over, but it's on TV. so I can't say it now. You know, that was very dissonant. I think as a performer, maybe you feel this way. If you operate from a place of this is it, you don't have to worry about what they don't know.

Yeah. You just throw yourself out there. And that was really hard for me to operate from a place of like audience not knowing something, you know? Yeah, 100%. Do you think fame's difficult? Like, I mean, notoriety fame, the public gaze is insane. I think that's exactly what I learned, which is when I was younger, I think my instinct was just everything in my life, everyone around me, everything was something I felt comfortable sharing. Yeah.

And I feel, I'm 35 now, I feel now that there is some value in it. It's okay to have some parts of your life that you maybe keep for yourself. Do you think it's easier as a drag performer to do that because there's a duality, like there's two versions of you? So you can go take the face. I mean, I feel like I count myself as a drag performer. Like, I come home and I don't dress like this. Even though I've pretended to you, I do. I'm doing this in honor of you.

Thank you. But like I do take, like I get home from work, I take off my drag and I'm a different person. Uh-huh. And I do think that's how I can separate, like my private and my, but do you get confused ever? Do you get stuck in character if you've been her for, too long and then or or you do is it the line blood they're both you i guess because it's both me to me like all my jokes or music or whatever stories i tell you know on the podcast or on stage that all comes from my real life yeah so it's not like this is doubtfire where i'm like

pretending i go home and have a completely different life yeah the audience that i share with knows my mom's name they know they can picture the house i live in they know they know what what I do with my time. Everything is very out there. Yeah. And that used to be very comfortable for me. I just felt like if you have nothing to hide, you can relax. And at this stage, I think I feel that it's okay to have some bumpers about what you will and won't share.

Because I've learned that when things are all really good, it's fun to have everyone know everything in your life. When things aren't going great, I think it's unfit. when you're selling something or trying to be funny, you're telling everyone, look at me, look at me. And then when something not great is happening, it feels kind of unfair to go, never mind, don't look, even though I've been telling you for years to pay attention to every part of my life. Now don't. Now that something unflattering is happening, don't look at me. So I guess I've learned, honestly, I've learned a lot of trust of just like things I was

afraid to share with the audience, things I was like, oh my gosh, I've been telling them this. And then what if they find out this? Have you ever gone on stage in full drag and what's going on in private is so devastating, but you have to be on? There was times in the last few years where I couldn't even get makeup on, could not. I would cry during the makeup on stage between songs, during costume change, walk off stage and cry. And then it was like an idling panic attack for so long. I would wake up heart racing and like just try to con.

down so I could get in drag. And, you know, those type of episodes, when they're long, they start so gradually, one piece at a time. Now I look back and I'm like, that's so unmanageable and crazy. But my priorities were different. It was like, kind of took a big break for me to realize that like, performing is magical. Art is magical. But it's not everything.

It's really kind of crazy to shut down parts of your real self and turn up. the other parts of yourself and go, that can be very dissonant. Yeah. And that feeling you're describing, I'm sure all artists have done it in some way, right? I mean, you have a toothache and you have a show that night. We all have done things like that. But things where you really feel like your life is completely in shambles. But you have to go do this.

I just don't know how long you can sustain that. I think we can all do it one or two shows. But at a certain point, it's a little scary. Was that the saddest you've ever been, do you think? I just never experienced such profound loss. And because so much of that was public, it felt so embarrassing. I felt like I was, you know, on television telling a story that felt dishonest in a way. And I had never felt really dishonest with the audience before.

And that made me feel ashamed. And it was just wild. And how do we reconcile with that, though? Because I think that that's the same with marriages that have kids, like in front of their kids. They act all fine. And then one day they tell their kids, oh, guys. were getting a divorce and you're like, oh, but we didn't sense that you were going to get a divorce. It wasn't bad or whatever. It's like putting this, it's like a weird thing where we

groomed almost to just be one dimensional. Like you can be the perfect couple, but also the worst couple. Simultaneously, maybe it was perfect on some levels and then there was too much that wasn't that meant it failed, if you know what I mean, or it broke. Yeah. I think I liken it to like, I just, I think everybody in that situation needs to, it feels so isolating. It feels so I'm the only one this has ever happened to. Truthfully, it's kind of happened to everybody.

Every relationship, even non-romantic, can be intense and mutually beneficial and then be different. Yeah. Every relationship is kind of constantly in flux, but it can feel. feel that kind of like, this is the worst thing that's ever happened and it's only ever happened to me. It's kind of a little self-indulgent. Are you ever dramatic with it?

Like, oh my God, it was a mess. Yeah, but. Liberace. Liberachi behind the candelabra. Have you seen that movie? Yes. Did you know that he started having his boyfriend get facework to look like him? No.

He's, you know, Liberacee got facework? Yeah. And then he started having his boyfriend get facework to look like Liberacee. Yes. Are you Liberacee sad when you're sad? Oh, are you like introverted and all the drag queen in you just disappears and goes shrivels like a raisin? It snuck up on me. It was like.

Are you like, I'm not fabulous anymore? No, it was more insidious. I felt like an impersonator of myself. I put on the blonde wig in the pink outfit and said the things and I felt like the number one impersonator of me instead of instead of that electric feeling of being doing the thing. the thing. You were outside. I was outside operating the levers. It was like, it was, it was so discouraging. And cold. Cold. And, and far away. Yeah, I've been there. Or you can see yourself doing it. I sometimes still have it occasionally. Because I'm booked for a gig. I can't cancel. And then I'm just not feeling up to it. And I just go through the motions. And everyone goes,

it's so weird, isn't it? When people say something, it was brilliant and you're just not receiving it. Like that was so amazing. You were so incredible. And you're just, it's like listening to it like this. Like that was so amazing. And you're not even part of it. Yeah. But you know, I learned, I, it was actually, I mean, friendships matter.

People in your life matter. Your family matters. Bordom matters. And honestly, I know you love performing. I love performing. But being successful and the work associated to that, the obsession. with like trying to do more and top the last thing you did, that's really not important. Do you think you want to have kids?

Yes. I've been off and on over the years. I used to say yes, then I said no, then I see yes, then I said no. I just think that there is an experience there that is not like anything else. And there's a way to give that. I feel like your three months of boredom are a parent in training. You think? Well, I'm obsessed with birds, too? I really want to get a parrot. Do you think that's horrible? No, I mean, yes. I just worry about their freedom. Right.

You know, Maya Angelou and everything. Oh, God, now I can't get one because I'm going to think like I'm the evil cager of birds. What if I let it free fly in the home? That would be amazing. Do you know, how cool would that be if you were like the bird lady? of your of your street you'll see me in Hyde Park just covered in bird shit just like he's walking around bird shit down his face oh yeah birds all over your shoulder bird shit in the mouth everywhere I always wanted to be like I've one of my sort of nicknames for myself is dove lady like just walk around with doves all over me because my name means that in Spanish

oh really or it's pigeon if you don't like me very much I went to Hyde Park the other day because I They have wild Indian ringneck parakeets out there, and I wanted to see them. So I got some pistachios from the store, and I went looking for the birds. I see them every summer when I come here. I go feed the birds. That torrential downpour started like this. Like, all the sudden sun is in the sky. I know London people are used to this.

I'm not. Sun is out within five minutes. And I'm in the middle of Hyde Park. There's nowhere to get coverage, nowhere to get out of the rain. So I just stood like this in the rain. It just took it for like 11 minutes. The Apple weather said it was going to stop at 11 minutes. So I just like, it's never right though, isn't it?

You're like, apparently Apple says it's not raining, but it feels like it is raining. Is it raining? And then you're like, no, it's not raining because Apple says it's not raining. Apple said, I couldn't even, it was raining so bad. I couldn't even open the phone to see how long. And there was a queer person, I believe was it a queer person standing there with an umbrella. and I'm like just powered down like a robot just like uh and then I would say 10 and a half minutes in the 11 minute rain they walk over and go did you want to share the with 30 seconds to go and I go

okay thank you for this 30 seconds of coverage from the rain I am completely waterboarded and you watched it for 10 and a half minutes and I'm supposed to be a gay icon I'm supposed to be you know a pillar of the community are you naturally melancholy or optimist I'm pretty optimistic. I think I can, I mean, I wake up ready to be happy. Are you realistic? Oh yeah. I'm like a realistic optimist.

I'm like, the world is on fire. We are near the end. But it will be fine. Yeah, but it will be okay. But it will be, sometimes it might be okay because all of humanity is erased. Honestly, I do think we were, I think, I think, I think humanity, is a lovely first draft. I don't know why we're not more capable

of being good to each other. I don't know why humans aren't more capable of looking out for each other. Why is that? Do you think capitalism makes everyone super selfish? Self-serving? I think it's, for some people,

it has to happen for them, for them to imagine what it feels like. So they don't have empathy? They don't have empathy. They, can't imagine themselves in someone else's shoes. I think it's not a far leap to put yourself in someone's situation, to be a single mother, to be struggling financially, to be in an abusive situation, anything, and go, wow, that would be awful. And because that's not me, I acknowledge that

I can't even imagine what that's like. I mean, I'm from a very small town. I, you know, very, very small town. And the more people you meet, the more walks of life you learn about, the more places you see. the more your mind opens up to, wow, I know nothing. I only know what I know, which is like this much. So I also think operating from a place of like acknowledging that you're just ignorant. We all only know whatever years we've lived in our own body. Yeah, can't you just say, oh, I don't really want, can't comment on this because I don't really understand it. I've never experienced it.

Right. And so when a brown person or a trans person or someone tells you what their experience is like, You can't tell them something else because you haven't. Why don't you just... Listen. Trust them. It's weird to tell trans people what they need. Have you ever done anything bad?

I've flown with marijuana maybe... Maybe three times. And I was on the plane white knuckling it in fear. Because you accidentally did or you did but you were like, I shouldn't have done this halfway up. Well, I get him in America and I live in California where it's... legal and I'm like, this is bullshit. Why is it? You know, it should be illegal everywhere. So sometimes I'll like forget it or something I'll be on the plane and remember there's like one loan joint in a sock in my and I'm like, I'm going to get thrown in federal prison as soon as I get

off this plane. I just, I know I'm that type of person that I will be the one that gets caught. Yeah. Also, you, you sound like you're so honest that if they ask you, just be like, yeah. I'll start crying. Yeah, just crying. Well, you know about the time I got detained in Australia. No, tell me. Girl, I went to Australia. My first time going there. It was like, like 24 years old. Now, I don't think I'd never even left the country before. And I go there and at the time, drag queens were still, it would be kind of suspicious of a drag queen had a work visa. The industry was still in a place where it was like, what do you mean you do this for money? It was kind of like weird. Yeah. So I went and said I had a vacation visa and then they were like,

oh, you're not here to work? Really? We went to your website. Isn't this you? You have all these tour dates? Aren't you making money in this country? And then And they took me to room and interrogated me and then canceled my visa. And I spent the night in Australian detention center. And I was, for some reason, would not give up the lie. And I'm not a good liar. So they're going through my luggage where I was also carrying merchandise shirts with my face on them. Sizes extra small through like 4X.

And they're like, so you're going to wear all these? I'm like, yep. I get a certain point you got to give up. And by the way, you got to imagine, too, the drag queens look suspicious because we're traveling with currency from all different countries. and a suitcase of disguises. We look like criminals. So like, what are you talking about? I would advise anybody,

if you go to a country and you have the wrong paperwork, just be honest and say, I think I have the wrong paperwork, what can I do to fix it? Don't lie. Don't lie. Yeah, but even if you admitted it, they'd still detain you.

Yeah. They'd be like, unfortunately, we've got to detain. Might be nicer. Like, unfortunately, we're going to have to detain you. turn you rather than you think you, you know. The guy who detained me when I did go back to the country, I saw him at the airport and I've seen him a couple times since. Oh, I kind of do like the Star is Morn thing where I'm like, I don't know, I always give

like a because I'm like, you can't stop me. You know, I'm back and better than ever before. Yeah. I'm bigger, blonder and, you know. More fabulous. Yeah, and now possibly carrying weed. No, that's not true. But I know so many drag queens who've carried a goddamn, you know, a hunting rifle and a kilo up their ass.

I'm like, I will get the one, I will be the one who goes to prison for a burned out joint this big. That will be me. Yeah, yeah. That's why I. The innocent stuff. I can't do it. I'm exactly like you. Like everything I've ever done that's been bad, I've been caught for.

And it's not even been that bad. And like you say, I just cry. Like I just, like somebody says, and I'll just cry. Like, it's from childhood, isn't it? It is. Like, when your mom was like, did you? And you've done it. And you were like, yeah.

I just cried. Just cry. My daughter does it. Yeah. And she's eight. It's like, I just go, I think we both know what you did. And she's like, I'm sorry. I'm still like that as an adult.

Yeah. I struggle with conflict really across the board. So anything like that, I just instantly cry. Do you avoid doing bad things because of that? Or do you do some bad things and then just, come clean really quickly. I don't know what I'm doing. I'm 35 and I still don't know what my tactic is in this world.

I'm just putting on wigs and juggling. I'm just putting on wigs and rolling around. I don't know what I'm doing. I'm just, you know, fortunate to be here. I'm really happy to be here with you. I'm really happy to be here too. This is really cool. I've listened to your music for so long and when I got to remix your song,

I couldn't believe it. The remix is better than the original. I disagree. I mean, I really was like, all right. It's a house remix, but it's almost a ballad, the original. So I really had to change it a lot, you know, to get it. Well, I would buy it. And I was before, I was like, I've never buy my own music.

And I'd buy your remix. Thank you. I felt so privileged when I received an audio of your isolated vocal. I felt like I'm like. Oh my God, it's embarrassing. No, no, no. It was beautiful. But I felt like it was on my computer and I had to protect it with my life.

I was like, this is, I'm like in the CIA now. I have like pop stars like isolated vocals on my computer yeah without the auto tune on or whatever no I got the version of it that was basically the thirdly version I got the the finished version with just no music

the no face tune moment yeah the audio audio face tune yeah I love face tune how much do you love face tune I used to until I got into Photoshop and now I'm a fucking monster are you can you just make anything good I'm looking at I've taken you know I travel with my own camera with my own flash because I like my makeup really brightly you know and I get on

the plane the next day put my SD card in and this is my version of like having a lap dance and a cigar I I zoom in on my face with my little pen and pour by pore or I fix every little mascara eyelash I whiten the eyes I go into everything and I'm like tap the person next to me and I'm like how about this shit how about that it's nice right the little crow's feet yeah oh You're amazing. I love to talk to you. This is like a dream. I can't believe we're sitting here.

I started hearing your music when I worked at the makeup counters. Your music would play at the Mac counter all the time. I want to hear your music. Because you sing, don't you? Yeah, I'm playing guitar and singing too. Like my, I love to play guitar. One of my passions, I love accompanying people if you ever need a guitar player, acoustic session. I'd love that.

I've actually got a guitar. Do you want to play a bit of it? Yes. Where is it? Just get one. It might be left-handed. That would be a huge issue. Okay.

Here we go. Do you know, you're ready? Yeah. Watch the chaos I felt. The walls we built, so I spin the wheel and there. Car the shots in the air.

Walk away from my home's day. Say I'm better on my own and stay. Well, you can have the glory. While I drive. You've seen some. Look at us. No, I can. I'm too shy.

Oh my God, you're not shy. We did it. We did some music. What about that? How many other podcasts? I don't see Samuel Al Jackson doing that. Samuel, I actually offered him a French horn and he didn't take it. Have you ever regretted the way you've treated anybody?

Oh, yes. Oh, yes. Tell me. I think I regret a lot of time that I, when I started traveling and doing the tricks. thing and having all my dreams come true. I prioritize that a lot more than birthdays, weddings, funerals, family things, phone calls home. I think I regret a lot of that. I think my friends I'm still close to gave me a lot of grace and let me travel and do whatever. But I have a lot of, I wish I was the person who called home more and kept my friendships a little more. What have you been

up to? How was your week instead of, how was the last six months? Because I haven't talked to you. You know, I have a lot of regrets about not being a little more active in making sure my relationships stay going. I think that's good, but there is like a really annoying text that people send, and I don't know if it's busy people, but I hate when someone text me and says, hey, how are you in a text? Yeah, I hate that too. I also, do you ever get voice notes? Yeah, there's so lot. I mean, I think there should be a one minute maximum. Or not at all. Yeah. Girl, are you a podcast? You know what I mean?

Like, I'm going to listen to your voice note. They're like, oh, sorry, I'm just paying for something. Hold on. Anyway, I was just leaving this message. It's like, wait until you've done that. Just give me the key points. I also love a phone call. Just call.

Do you? I love it. Oh, I love it. I really despise them. I'm very old school. Pick up the phone. Call your friend and walk around the house in a circle and talk about your life. I love that.

walk around the house the backyard I have a little pacing pacing in my backyard or laundry like chores

while you talk to your friend on the phone love yeah I love that little earphone in folding laundry telling someone

to do in their relationship love love it telling girl you need to quit your job taking the trash out you know

love that love that as well you know I like that bit of it like multitasking I want to be

a better friend in general to everybody I think I've been a little bit selfish for a long time and my friend

starts a new job tomorrow and I was like I'm gonna make you a Pinterest board for your work outfits she didn't ask for that maybe that's my way of getting involved did you do it oh yeah I sent it over today I want a Pinterest board I don't know if she'll care I was like look I put together all these work appropriate hair styles for curly hair of your length just trying to help just trying to be involved I'm taking off the gloves I don't think I thought maybe you'd want me to stick a finger in your bum but it's the time's past I feel like the moment's gone. Like I'm going to feel one finger.

That's what I was wearing. Both hands. Give me the foot too. It starts like this, doesn't it? Then that, then that, then that, then you can do that. Is that right? I don't know. I'm just gay.

I'm normal gay. I learned that in Paris. Oh, I thought we start with the hat. I'm old school. I'd rather do the thing. Yeah. Just get to the actual thing. Fingers have fingernails.

Like, why are we doing? Freddie Cougar shit. You know, why are we doing blood sport? No, we're not doing skewers. We're not. You're not doing skewers. Yeah, I don't know. But I guess the glove is safe.

Those are deceptively hot, though. This PVC material, cook your arms. Oh, yeah, cooking. And now I'm just going to bring my up as big. So just to end, to keep it optimistic and positive, what makes you glad in this weird world? What makes you glad in this weird world? What makes you glad in this? weird world um i love to sleep in and watch the office i know that that's really normcore i feel like

every time we ask somebody on this show what makes us glad it's always normcore it's always the simplest thing the minutia of existence it's always like completely distilled normal shit and so you're not alone it's like the feeling of going to bed no you don't have to wake up And like, waking up, the sun is coming in the windows, watching TV at a low volume, and getting like an Uber eats of like an egg sandwich and going on a walk. Like a day off doing boring shit. Yeah, lovely. I'm also getting to the age where sometimes I like cleaning. Wiping off my kitchen counter.

That will never be my age. Wiping off my kitchen counter. Really? Oh, wiping off the counter and walking out of the kitchen looking back, it's the shiny counter. I'm like, I just find whatever man is in my life at that time and ask them to do it. Sure. And I just go, I've been told by the allergy specialist that I shouldn't clean because I've got a really severe dust allergy. Sure.

So you have to do this for me. Right. So you kind of make up different allergies to get out of chores. Yeah. I think that's good. Your kids are going to start doing that to you, though. So you better watch that. No, I've told them my allergies, so they're learning to clean.

Oh, good. Little Cinderella one and Cinderella two. I love that. You're going to have to be careful how often you use that, though. Mommy's going out, bye, make sure the counter's clean. Right. You leave in your little ball gown and they're like, damn, that bitch is allergic to everything. That bitch is allergic to everything.

Thank you so much, Trixie for coming on. It's been a real joy and pleasure. you're incredible and I now know why you have millions more followers than me on Instagram because you're just in general better person oh stuff you know girl people will sometimes ask me do you run your own social media I'm like you don't see the 1 am shit posting with a typo yeah that's me that's the mastermind me up late like tweeting memes from like my phone you know like it's there's no plan you get me on drag race girl cool room now you so much. I'm so glad you've got a personality without the dragon. Thank you. Well, it's really,

it's really great to know that. This is really nice and lovely. Thank you so much. I love you forever. I love you forever too. Can I pick you up before you go? With my body? Yeah. Yeah, sure. Oh, you're really strong. Do you feel like the girl from dirty dancing? Um, yeah, but not for that reason. Get eaten my walls in East London. I won't. Bye. What a legend. I'm going to go and put some outfits on.

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