Marketing Happy Hour - Career Lessons + 5 Years of Building Marketing Happy Hour

Episode Date: May 7, 2026

Five years ago, Marketing Happy Hour was launched from scratch — Canva logo, Google searches, and zero podcasting experience. In this milestone episode, Cassie walks through the full arc of her career: from a self-pitched internship at a Florida restaurant group to a pivotal move to New York City, from leaving a stable agency job to start her own business in 2019, to building MHH into the community it is today. Cassie gets refreshingly honest about the comparison trap of entrepreneurship, why she stopped chasing the "big brand on the resume" and started following what she actually loves, and the one piece of advice she'd give her younger self. Key Takeaways:// Cold pitching with concrete ideas beats cold pitching with just your resume. When Cassie landed her first internship — at a restaurant group with no open listing — she didn't just ask "can I help?" She came with specific ideas and made it easy for the hiring manager to say yes. The lesson: don't make the person on the other end do the work of figuring out how you fit.// The biggest career accelerator is often the move you're scared to make. For Cassie, that was packing up and moving from Tampa to New York City. It pulled her out of a hospitality bubble and into big brand, agency-level experience that changed everything. You don't have to move across the country — but being open to expanding the type of roles and environments you're in is what unlocks the next level.// Build a career on what you keep saying yes to. Cassie still doesn't have a singular "dream job" figured out — and she's at peace with that. What she does know is the types of projects that light her up: podcasting, production, storytelling, events. Following that thread, rather than a fixed five-year plan, has shaped her career more than any roadmap would have.// The comparison trap is real — but it can be reframed. Everyone's timing is different. Everyone's journey has challenges you can't see from the outside. Instead of comparing, Cassie recommends using other people's careers as a research tool: study how they got there, reach out, ask questions, and let it inform your own path rather than measure against it.// Give yourself grace. The advice Cassie would give younger Cassie — and the one she still needs to hear. You won't be perfect every day. Not everything has to make sense right now. Be patient with the journey, surround yourself with the right people, and trust that the pieces are connecting — even when you can't see how yet.Connect with Cassie: LinkedIn____Join the MHH Collective! The MHH Collective is a community for marketers and business owners to connect, ask real questions, and grow their careers together. Join for access to live Q&As with industry experts, a private Slack community, and ongoing resources: https://www.marketinghappyhr.com/mhh-collectiveSay hi! DM us on Instagram and let us know what content you want to hear on the show - We can't wait to hear from you! Please also consider rating the show and leaving a review, as that helps us tremendously as we move forward in this Marketing Happy Hour journey and create more content for all of you. ⁠Join the MHH Collective: ⁠Join now⁠Get the latest marketing trends, open jobs and MHH updates, straight to your inbox: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Join our email list!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Follow MHH on Social: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ |⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠TikTok⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

Welcome to Marketing Happy Hour, a weekly podcast helping marketing professionals and entrepreneurs build better strategies and hit career goals. I'm Cassie and I'm Allie. We're marketers and your host through these unfiltered convos with your peers and experts in the space. Let's dive in. Grab your favorite drink and let's get to this week's episode. Hey, Ali. Hi, Cass. Happy Friday. Happy Friday. We are recording this on a Friday. It is releasing on a Thursday as always. But But it's been a minute since we've done an episode, just the two of us. So I'm looking forward to it. Me too. Me too. And this is a really fun one because it is a huge milestone for the marketing happy hour fam. Yeah. Yeah, it is. We're going to dive into a little bit. I mean, we'll kind of

tee this up in a second, but you're going to interview me about my career and stuff, which being on the other side of the mic is always really interesting. So I'm looking forward to that. But yeah, we're going to kind of celebrate five years of the show, which is insane that it started that long ago and just kind of have a have a chat and catch up. I'm excited. What are some of the things that you think about when you look back at the last five years of the show? Like, what are some of those standout moments for you? Yeah, I think there's a lot. A couple of things that come to mind is the amount of people that I've had the honor to connect with and meet. I'm pretty sure, like, I know you because of the podcast, right? Is that the reason? Or was it just from other things? Yeah. So like,

I mean, not alone. Like, that is such a grand takeaway, like meeting my best friend and being able to collaborate and stuff on this has been such an honor. But yeah, we've just met so many people along the way and learned so much. I tell people all the time. And like, obviously my goal, personally with the show, is to help other people and to add value to them. But I also personally am benefiting from that. And I know you have too, because we've talked about that. And so it's been such a treat to get to meet so many different people and share people's stories. So that's been a big one. The other thing I think is just overall the challenge of learning how to manage a show like this and to know, there's a lot that goes on behind the scenes that obviously people do not know about. But,

you know, it's it's me and you. And we have Rachel who's been a huge support and help to us as well, but like, we're a small team. You know, we're kind of very scrappy over here, doing most of it ourselves. So that's why we always, you know, shameless plug, ask for your feedback and, like, for reviews because that helps us to keep going and gives us feedback on what we're doing and the content we're putting out there. But it's been a really fun challenge just to like learn how to navigate the world of podcasting. I know when I personally started, I wasn't in the podcast world at all. And me and my former co-host, Erica, which shout out to her for helping this show get started too. We figured everything out from scratch. You know, we created the image

for the show in Canva. And we just like Googled our way to launch and figured it out from there. And so it's been really cool, just like how much I've learned along the way and being able to apply that to other roles that I've had and clients that I've worked with as well. it's definitely helped to grow and develop just my career overall. It's been very rewarding. It's such a good point because I don't think we're very public about what goes on kind of in behind the scenes, but we have full-time jobs.

We are working other jobs in addition to doing this. And this is such a value add to our careers in a way that we don't always talk about. And I think it's just an interesting moment and milestone to kind of look back at what you've built over the last five years and where the brand or what the brand looked like rather five years ago and what it looks like now and the type of content we're putting out the type of episodes, the type of guests. I mean, every single year, it just feels like we're leveling up in a new way. And I know I'm personally so grateful to now be a part of it, but also to see you grow has been such a gift, truly. I appreciate it. Yeah, I think the other thing

that I just want to give, you know, to like pat myself on the back. here but just to give us kudos where kudos is deserved you know podcasting is hard and as i discussed we do all of this ourselves with a small but mighty team most podcasts fail after 10 episodes and there's a reason for that you know they just kind of like stop after a few because it is a lot of work and there's a lot of pieces and you have to come up with new content ideas and find guests and write all the show notes and promote it and so um i just am I'm eager to kind of celebrate even just that, like the fact that we not only made it past one year, but now it's five years later and showing up consistently. It's not easy, but I will say the community absolutely keeps us going. We say this all the time, but like anytime we've thought about stopping, you know, we'll think about the people that are impacted by this and we're so grateful to have people who decide to listen and be a part of this community every week. So it's awesome.

That is a great way to put a pin in that. But that we are going to celebrate over the month of May. And we've got some other, you know, fun episodes and content and things coming just in honor of the five year anniversary of the show. And so looking forward to sharing that with you all too. But for today, I get the honor of interviewing you, which I'm so excited about. Really just from career full stop. Like I think what I want to hear from you is from the very, very beginning. Let's start there. So I want to hear first about your degree, what you went to school for, where you went to school, and kind of your first role outside of school. Yeah. So I got my degree in public relations at the University of South Florida, go bowls. And I honestly didn't know what I wanted to do at all. My entire plan in life was to go to school for psychology or marine biology and work with animals.

That was my number one dream. It's still something that I absolutely love. But I realized after doing some research, I would never be able to put food on my own table just working that job. I'd probably have to work three or four jobs just to make it through and decided to kind of pursue that as a hobby or something on the side to just be passionate about. So I knew I loved to write. I knew I loved being creative. So I ended up pursuing a degree in PR because it was a versatile degree. There's a lot of things you can do with a degree in PR.

I said to my parents, I was like, hey, I'm going to be a degree in PR. I said to my parents, I was like, hey, I'm going to do this and figure it out along the way. So fast forward, I ended up doing the Disney College program midway through school, which was incredible, taught me a lot about storytelling and customer service, etc. And then ended up landing my first big internship. I had done other internships in marketing and PR outside of that, but landed my first internship solely because there was a restaurant group in Florida. if you're from Tampa or Orlando, you know possibly about Fresh Kitchen, and they have a whole

restaurant group over top of that brand. I loved their brand. I loved what they were doing in the space, and so I reached out to the marketing director, and I was like, hey, I want to work with you. Like, here's what I can do. And she ended up giving me an internship. There was no job listed, and I worked there for a few months as an intern, and then that ended up turning into my full-time position. And it was amazing. I wore so many hats. I did event planning, did social media management, I did PR. I did all these different things outside of the world of PR. So it really got my feet wet in a number of different categories within the PR marketing space. I was even an executive assistant for a bit just because the founder of the company saw that I was super organized and was like, hey,

will you help me with my stuff as well? And I was like, sure. So I just said yes to literally everything. do a lot of really cool projects, open restaurants, host events, do this random event with like Bobby Flee at one point, like got a lot of different exposure to different things. And it was amazing. So that was my first job. And I after that, had a whole slew of restaurant and hospitality jobs until I pivoted into agencies and other brands. So yeah, that's how I got my start. This is such a good reminder that in there is so much power in pitching yourself in these roles or industries you're interested in and taking some of the things that you're passionate about and trying to finesse them and fit them into what it is that you're you're doing

professionally. And I just, it's such a good reminder that there is powerful in kind of cold pitching yourself and taking a, taking a risk there. And I'm curious if, you know, you look at sort of where you started in terms of restaurant, hospitality, et cetera, and where you are now, was there a decision or a moment where you felt like that particular decision or moment changed the trajectory of your career in terms of where you went next? Yeah, I think there's two things that I'll know. I think one, just tying back to what I said previously and kind of what you said that sparked something is when you were going to present yourself to someone, I would recommend and not just saying, hey, here's who I am, can I help you, but come with concrete ideas.

If you have to make the person on the receiving and do more work to figure out how you're going to fit into the puzzle, it's, unfortunately, it's going to be really hard to make something happen. So I would say that is the first one, is like that first step that I took in like pitching myself and seeing how that works and seeing how you can kind of frame your experience and your value, even with little to no experience. I was an intern with a couple small roles under my belt, and that's about it. And then the other thing, too, that was very pivotal for me was moving to New York City. So I lived in Florida for most of my life. I was kind of in this hospitality bubble in Tampa. I was working for smaller brands.

And I knew if I wanted to get where I wanted to be in my future, I needed to expand outside of that. And so I ended up again pitching myself to an agency up in New York City and moved there pretty quickly thereafter. And I ended up working with a number of massive international and national brands. And that was really, I think, the huge, the big piece in my career that changed everything for me. I got a ton of big brand experience, corporate experience, learned how to navigate a number of different clients at one time, learned how to communicate effectively to frame campaign ideas effectively, to communicate with other team members cross functionally, that was huge. And so I tell people all the time, I'm like, hey, if you are looking

to get to a certain place in your career, yes, big risk is important and huge. Obviously, you don't have to pack up and move across the country, but I think just being open to expanding the type of roles that you're taking on and just figuring out what can I learn from this experience. It's going to help contribute to where I'm trying to go in the future. That's exactly right. And also thinking through how the process of pitching yourself and putting yourself out there builds confidence over time, right? I think so often we hear, how is it that you can do workshops and stand on stage and public speak? And it's like, well, I've built this level of confidence. And I see that in you very clearly and you grow each and every year with it.

But I think there's often that barrier to entry because there isn't that existing level of confidence. or existing kind of desire to pitch yourself in that way because of rejection or fear of any number of things, right? And so as you've kind of grown and evolved in your career, can you pinpoint some times or some moments where maybe your career kind of forced you to rethink who you are as a professional but also as a person or maybe even who you wanted to be as a result? So this is an interesting question. It's a really good one. I think the biggest point where it really caused me to think about reframing my future was leaving my full-time job and starting my own business back in 2019.

They never sought out to be an entrepreneur. I never sought out to start my own company or any of that. But I felt this kind of pull to do that and to serve clients in a better way than I had seen previously. I don't think the service that we provided. at the agency that I worked for was bad by any means. However, I do think sometimes in an agency model, you are taking on so much work that sometimes that client experience starts to fall to the wayside. There's not as much relationship building happening there, et cetera. And so I think I've kind of married my experience at Disney with my previous agency experience. And I was like, hey, I think I can

maybe set myself apart in this way and just really provide a really great one-to-one experience. But the reason why it really caused me to like rethink everything is because like I said, I never sought out to do anything like that. And so I had to kind of redefine what my future goals were. I think, especially when you're earlier in your career, you're not going to have all the answers of what you're trying to work towards. But I think the thing that is key is continuing to follow those little inclinations and like pick up pieces along the way. Like, okay, I really love working with these types of clients. I don't like working with these clients. I really love having this type of leader. I don't like this type of leader and just continuing to assess along the way and doing an audit

almost of your career. I used to be really good at doing those. I'd go like once a year to Disney and say at a hotel by myself and like assess everything. I need to do that again. But I think that is the biggest thing that really like turned things around because for me, I was like, oh, I'm going to work full time at Disney or a theme park or I'm going to work for a big. brand like this is exactly what I'm going to do and I started walking towards that plan and then I just completely switched it all up by working for myself. But I think again, working for myself has contributed so many different skill sets and experiences and things that have made me the professional that I am today that I'll be able to take into future experiences and it's been so pivotal,

even though sometimes running my own business, I'm like, what am I doing? Like I don't quite, I don't quite know what the next step is, but I don't know if that's clear. That makes sense. But I think just, again, going back to taking these crazy bold steps, knowing that not everything is permanent and at least give things a go and a try and having that mindset of even if this doesn't look like the ideal position that I thought I would be in, I can learn a lot from this. And here's what I'm taking away from it, if that makes sense. It totally does. And we talk about this a lot just offline. and off record is that, you know, all experience is good experience. It's the way that you're framing that experience when you're trying to pitch yourself in these moments or talk about your career

with mentees or whatever that looks like, right? All experience has led you to get to where you are and all experience has something you can learn from. And I think you make a really good point about having a moment each year where you kind of have a level set and say, I am going to take a look at my career. It's almost like a mini summit, right, for yourself. And you take a look at your career, you take a look at what your life looks like, how your career plays, you know, plays a part in that or how it doesn't play a part in that and you want it to. It's an opportunity to kind of reset and look at it from a like more of a holistic view. Like I think we often get in the weeds with a lot of these, with a lot of client work, with a lot of full time work, whatever that looks like. And

it can be very hard to see your career from a 30,000, good view in terms of planning out. And so do you believe that a long-term plan is helpful for your career? Or do you think that there's more value in kind of following that momentum? I would say both. I think it's important to know, at least have an idea of where you're headed, because if you don't, you're just going to be shooting at the dark and going in seven different directions, which again, I think if you're very early in your career, I don't want to, I don't want to say this and put pressure on people in their early 20s and say, like, you need to have it figured out or you need to have like a clear picture of where you're headed because I don't

think that's always realistic. But I do think at least at minimum, knowing the type of career you want to have or the types of brands or the type of culture that you want to fit into or the type of values that you have that you want to see a brand display that you're working for. And then as you move forward in your career and you're picking up these experiences and pieces along the way, that idea and concept is going to be framed even clear or have more clarity around that. I will preface and say, I still don't know what I'm doing. I don't know what my ultimate dream job is. I really don't. I think for me, though, what I am very clear on is I know the type of projects I love working on. I know the type of projects and things I don't like working on is.

And so I can make decisions according to that while I'm still picking up the pieces and figuring it out. For me, for example, I love working in podcasting. I love working in production and watching filmings happen and be a part of the production process and storytelling and things like that. And I love working in events and just really cool experiences. And so I'm able to kind of say yes to different opportunities based on that. what that looks like down the road, like I said. I'm not exactly sure, but I think that's okay. I think that will continue to shape itself along the way. But I think at the same time, again, even when you're in your use, for example, it's okay to say yes to stuff that maybe is a little bit outside of

the realm of what you're looking to do just so you can pick up that experience and learn more from it. Like, for example, I was one of the hosts of the Discover Universal podcast for a bit in Orlando. And even though it wasn't really a marketing role, it was a podcast hosting role. And so I learned a lot about storytelling and framing a corporate podcast from there. It's a little bit outside of what I was doing in my day to day. But I think that's okay. And I learned a lot from that experience. And I also got to work with theme parks, which I absolutely love.

So I guess to answer your question, yes and no, I think both can be true. And maybe some people would disagree with me. And that's totally fine, too, if you feel like you need to have a full frame concept of what you're looking to do. I think that's totally fine. But I think you can give yourself grace in figuring out what that is as you continue on in your journey. There is some value in being flexible to have your options open because you truly don't ever know what is going to come up in your career who's going to reach out to you for a specific project. And I feel like I've learned that as well in that there is so much value in being open to new opportunities and open to thinking outside of your traditional scope, whether for you it was Discover Universal, right? And thinking about

something that maybe isn't traditional marketing, but also is aligned and adjacent and would help tell a better story about who you are as a professional. And I think as we sort of dive into a little bit more of a deeper question here on what you've really learned about yourself and through these last few years, but particularly in the sort of later years of your career, what are some of the things that you've maybe had to unlearn that helped you kind of grow into the professional that you are today? I think it's going back to the question we were just discussing and that's that you have to have like a full plan and picture for where you're going. I think the thing for me that became really difficult as I started to build my own business is when I started to feel this

sense of, I guess, fomo or disconnect from the fact that I didn't have this corporate job with a big company that people would see on my resume and like immediately notice. And then on the other hand, on the entrepreneur side of things, I felt insecurity that my business wasn't this large brand with 15 people under me and, you know, 30 clients, for example. But I knew that that's not who I wanted to be. I think when I first started my business, that's what I was shooting for. And then I realized, like, I'm personally not the like, I need to run this company and be the CEO and take all the credit and be the face of this huge brand and do X, Y, Z. Like, I'm not interested in that. I'm more interested in, like, the small one-to-one catered relationships, like I said. And so that's why I've always

kept things very small. And then on the other hand, I just knew like where my career was out at that time. Being at a large brand working for a big recognizable business was just not in the cards for me at that point. And that's okay. So I think, again, I had to unlearn this like comparison trap. And I know that's like such a cliche piece of advice. But I think one, we don't know what it took for someone to get where they are. Number two, they don't have the same amount of experience. They don't have the same journey as you, you know, the challenges that they face to get there is very different. And then also timing is a thing, right? Like timing in life matters and everyone's timing is different. And so just because maybe you do look at someone's career and you're like, hey, I would really love to be in this position

one day, it can still happen for you. I think one piece of advice that I would give to people is take an assessment of who is maybe in these roles that you aspire to be in and not for the sake of comparing, but for the sake of doing some research and studying, like, what did they do to get there? Maybe even reaching out to them and offering them, you know, a coffee gift card in order to chat and, like, pick their brain and using that as inspiration to maybe potentially get there in the future. And I think one thing I'll note, too, is a lot of times we, like, look at the outside of these careers and we're like, oh, this looks incredible. And little do we know, like, there's a lot of pain and issues happening behind the scenes. And so I think that's why having those very authentic organic conversations is important because you start to peel back like the type of culture in an organization or what the day to day of someone does look like. Yes, they're posting all these events that they're working on and attending on a day to day.

But what you don't see is like the pain that they're going through outside of that with a leader with whatever's happening in the organization. So I think it's, you know, don't compare as cliches that sounds, but use other people's journeys as inspiration slash knowledge for you to like continue to figure out and shape what you're looking to do in the future. Yeah. There's there's just a lot of imposter syndrome right now, right? Because the job market is super oversaturated. You see people that are leveling up in their own careers and it's hard not to take a look at

your own. But I think it's it's such a good reminder. that everyone's journey looks really different. And yours looks different from mine, looks different from nine of our other closest friends who have different careers. And it's more about learning, it's more about learning how you adapt in those situations

because that's what makes you a good professional, right? That adaptability and flexibility that you've had to learn because of your experience is something we all go through, even if it looks a little different. And so that's really, really wonderful advice. Thank you for sharing that. I will say we did get a question from our dear friend Howard that I solicited for this episode.

Howard is a collective, MHA collective member. And he wants to know if you weren't in marketing, what would be your dream job? Yes. Shout out to Howard. We love Howard. So there's two. One is related to what Howard actually was doing at Bush Gardens. And it is, like I said at the top of the episode, working with animals.

I absolutely love marine animals. I had a weird side quest of working for the Clearwater Marine Aquarium in high school and college and working on the set of Dolphin Tale 2, the film with Morgan Freeman and Harry Connick Jr. And I absolutely loved it. I wanted to work with dolphins and got to have a lot of hands-on experience with them, which was incredible and the most fun I've had in my entire life. The combination of that with film and TV production was a really cool one because that's the other space that I would love to be in if I wasn't in marketing. I, like I said, I love, I'm so fascinated

by film and television and productions been very grateful to have been on the set of a number of different projects and it is just incredible. And so I don't know what that role would exactly look like, but I can imagine being on a movie set almost every day for work would be pretty sink and cool. I know it's very hard and that industry is tough, but one of those two would be what I would do every day, I think. I love it. And I've had a firsthand look at your love for dolphins and how special that piece of your life is. And it's really inspiring.

And I think is another reminder to the audience that having passions outside of your full-time work is very important. It keeps you excited about the work that you're doing, right? Because you're filling your cup in other ways. And I think that's such a good reminder. for sure. Yes. Yes, it is. As we close out on career, I want to know if you could give younger Cassie one piece of career advice. What would it be? Yeah, career advice and just life advice is give yourself some grace. I put a ton of pressure on myself growing up and still do. And I expect

greatness for myself each and every day. And I think that's just setting yourself up for failure because you aren't going to be perfect every single day and that's okay. And so I think for me, I just tell myself, like, do your best, have the right intentions in place, be kind, love other people. That is really what matters and everything else will come together in the end. But similar to what we discussed earlier, you don't have to have everything figured out. Everything doesn't have to make sense all the time. But I think just being patient with yourself, with your journey, with the decisions that you're making, the things that you're doing, everything will start to come together at some point, and you'll look back and just realize, like, wow, that's why I went through this hardship or this

pause and delay in my career or whatever. And I think it's hard to remember that when you're in the moment, but I think the other, like, sub advice I'd give is surround yourself with the right people and get in really positive good environments, because if you're not, you will not get through that in an easy way. It's very difficult. And so I think the people that you put in your life are important. And I'm very grateful for people like you, for example, who have made the hard times easier. Just that's two pieces of advice, I guess, I would give my younger self. Both very, very important and hopefully resonates with listeners, I'm sure it well. So thank you so much for sharing. And thank you for walking us through your career and where you've been to

to where you are today. You are the heart and soul of marketing happy hour, and we are so lucky to have you and learn from you. So thank you. Thanks, Sally. I can't wait to interview you. Stay tuned for that in the coming weeks. It's going to be fun. And thanks for helping me celebrate five years and thanks for being a part of it. And thank you all for listening to. We're so grateful and wouldn't do it without you guys. Thanks so much for listening to this episode of Marketing Happy Hour. If you enjoyed it, make sure you're subscribed to the show and sign up for a weekly newsletter with insights and marketing resources. We also invite you to check out the MHHH collective, our community for marketers looking to connect, grow, and learn together. Check out the

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