Más allá del miedo Podcast - 04 | Veo DEMONIOS y se MANIFIESTAN DE UNA FORMA Horrible | Más Allá del Miedo

Episode Date: December 26, 2023

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At the age of 12 years, approximately, like at 11 at the night, terming to play, the perro, he started to lader with fear. So, my brother, major, then my brother, well, me say, oh, yeah, see, see, at who he ladra.

For the rea, at the other side of the house, there was a corral, while my pupilla was adapt to the obscurity. Observeed that the perro was lading to a place fido, I go a a vis to that

place to that place, I start to an person an entity high, a two meters,

a little a black, a bad, a bad, aubber, a black, like a

sack, and the eyes, those were colors, like, red, like, ha, he was

going to this place, result, that he saw a person, that was

that was he was a maledido, he was a indigent that he he's he's

he When he He went to and he helped to this person to come to the brazo

and he was he could let him for favor he was he to help him to help us when he

he observed when he was the person he had the question he was you know that he was when he's got

the new chapter to more a new chapter of more there MED Martinez. In this occasion, I am I am going to

the state of Quintanaro, in the Riviera Maya, and in this occasion we'll tell them some stories very interesting with an friend that I've known us since a time. In this occasion, me accompany to my friend, Saul Morenno. How

is Saul? What is what? Now, NASA, well. Here us, seeing us another time. Has it like a year that we've never. A year. More or less. That's You've been here, for these places.

How you have felt recently? Me has felt well. I've been had been situations like all, but

I think now I feel more mature in many areas and this is, is good. Well, in this

occasion we're to grab something about about stories of terror. And, and before

to start, I want to ask you to ask us to all the people.

You are is the credent of the phenomenon paranormal? Sure. Really, what is the events overnaturales.

Of course, it's more real than the world natural. This is all I have been known.

So, so I can say that I have been some experiences overnatural and as

as, as as some in the world is something paranormal that they

exactly. Of all these experiences that you have been, what for you have been of the most fervent? Or of those that have left marked, what has been the most interesting for you? This is at the age of 12 years of where I am, of Michoacan, of Zawayo.

Um Comienza with With a One night Approximately Like at the 11 of the night

Yeah Terminando to I go to my house And then It's

The Perron The mascot that we We have that we didn't And so

unfortunately Yeah But But I'm He started To Ladr

with MED No I did experimented some... Yes, the perils

asusattos or even the gats exactly. It was a lotrido very different. It was something that really

was a normal. Exactly. So, my brother then said, hey, look at who he lader,

this perro had the name of the narco. That's curious a new name. So,

so he put to my pap. So, so he was a narco. It was a

black, for the rea, at the other side of the house, there was a corral that we call us, a carral, a terrain, valdi, but circled, but circled, where, this, there is where this, the, the

perro that we had, for what I'm for a, a certain, an alambrado, to be to where he was lading. And, well, you know, in the

obscurity, the pupilla, well, try to adjusters, yeah, to focus, and in that lapse, well,

while my pupilla was adapt to the obscured, I'm that the

perr was ladr and I'm looking a little a place. And when

I do a view to that I'm start to see a person, well,

I would say a an entity or something a form spectral. Exactly.

No, not, not I'm a figure personified. Yes. But,

his description, well, if you can't mentioner, it was a entity like

an two meters, more or less. Yeah. I

had a sombrero a gabardina this black, like a black,

so, all negro. And the those eyes those had color

like redes, brilliant, like, like hailados, as kind

like, like, as as they like those sunnis and well, those

extraterrestres could say that's something like something the other then so no.

So, so at moment that I visualized this image well the really

I'm noted, I'm paralyzed I'm gritted it, it was

a gritty that the people were to be what was what was

what I got there was paralyzed totally Yeah. Saly-obviously.

Yeah. No, I could I was to express me, I was wondering, what had passed, they thought, they'd have passed,

they'd, that someone, that was, that they'd do, that, that was, that was, that I

wanted to not, I could even, what I've ever seen, so, so, you know, the typical, that's the

migachon, that's a that's a thing, and all that, so, so, so,

so, so, so, so, uh, passing, yeah, uh,

a little more the crisis just, I'm just just a situation. Uh-huh. The people, so,

they were like, was, what's, what's, what's, what's, they've never,

so, I'm going to to, really, this, I, I, this,

to be to put upstament to be, but, but I'm because, in the madugada

of that night, that that personage was a one- was literally I was literally, I'm

and I was seeing, and I'm looking. A one side of the camera? Exactly. Oh, that

yeah, that's, no, yeah, yeah, that's something, I can't, I can't, I'm, you,

I've got three years, and I tell you, that was at the age, like, of 12 years, and it

and it's, and I'm, so, like so so so so I

know I'm the little the room was a but

if it's to see the silhouetta the same that I had

seen before hours before I was I'm paralyzed

again by the madru without I'm there some there

there some I'm no so really this was

a experience that was before and then and then so

I saw this this this this thing the day that it was

I'm no I'm didn't move my my eyes they were

to be to be that bad that you exactly no could

move the eyes me they were to be to hospital

me he he revised he he recet a

and apart use lente obscure and not lastimed more the eyes. Why? Because

all the madrugat me kept fico. No, I could move me, no could

then. So, there was where my papas, just, like, they said, oh, that said,

something, so, something, so, something, for that this situation, yeah, uh,

uh, of the health, well, so, so, so, so,

uh, so, uh, this, this, uh, identity, identity, to go to or what will happen, no?

I'm, I'm doing, well, I'm literally. Because, if I was, I'm a certain the fear of the time of, that I've had been, other,

other, you know, so could say, plattica, with other, people, that sometimes, I've known, and I've seen,

and I've seen, when they're they're describing this same identity. The same personage that you've had, exactly,

or similar. Like, Like, like. I mean, I don't I mean. I don't even

I'm not. I'm not more. Yeah, and then I'm then I'm at the age of of 12 years

I've had this experience precisely with this identity that they're mentioning. So, like two or

three people that have had been to share their experience it, he has been described

in the same form. Like, for example, fiftate that many people

mention to the famous charro Negro, that much would be compared with a well,

a representation of the diablo. And, and many people say that they're seen in,

the fact, I would, I would compare it, a little similar, because it's what more

is what more is the story that you count as, of a character similar to charro

never. So, but you said that he had eyes and wrasgats.

Yes, a personage Alto this Ojo Rasgated Aria Right,

very great and then the worst is that I'm in the apartment So yeah Yeah Like for

For example that That's what was the reaction of your Pappas So it

was of the Ah, he was a so that that they were

that they did you do they're so they're also Yeah

so well so so they're so they they're

they of the dog, and they did know that if the laddreds of the perr, were like with fear. Yeah. And the day the next, uh,

could you know, in the arena, in the the earth, the rascades of the perro, like trying to let's go to to the person.

Okay. So, there was all the, the, those, the moustras. So, was something

that, so, uh, they, but, well, my mom, no,

us astusts. She. She, she's a woman of the and all of

that's, then she recurried. I think the real that the other to the good,

to God. Yeah, no pass to more. But if I think these, these,

these, um, other companions that I've commented the same, that have been

that experience. Yeah, fiftate in these experiences, one that is one that is of the

man, is of a man sent me a story if no I don't know directly from

Sakatecas. This man said that when he was a little, he liked to be

talking about talking stories of the abuelos. Those stories that much we'd

like to hear that they'd to be they a lot and things that he he thinks

to a certain point that he got to suggestionar because all these stories that

they were sometimes even even even I was a

but he commented that in a occasion no, he said, that directly this personage, he never had mentioned, that was the charro and that in a occasion, when he was to go to the school, he said that in those times he he was in the turn of desperino,

and to many when we are students for the after days, but us agar to the obscurity. Comment that he had to pass for a house that practically was abandoned. This had been vandalized and presumptomely have succeeded some

some events extraordinary, those ferventers, where they involucing the fallaciment of persons. When I was passing by this place, it result of that

he saw a person that was quehandos as a maledido, a person that was he was a mention a indigent, and

when he went to this place to try to to try to help is what I me more me just to make the attention. That he's a circle to bring up a boy.

When he he went to and he helped to this person to get to this person was from the arm and he

not he could not he could let me say sir let them for favor he did to

get to let me to be to get to when he he observed to the car

directly he had put a a he mentioned that he mentioned that had a

sombrero little but at moment to see it was a smelero

a not very great and that this person had the eyes not

reds but those had rogous and even even

had the the rostro with with some when he

he he he he he he he he

he asked what's you think he's he not

he no he things like because one when is young because

when you're so many are real the travesurals when one you get with other people or

situations similar or that with your brothers or you know in your

case was of a family that was they were well they're

they're all all very well so all so he he's he's

that this person he mentioned to say not

not was something that he viviered, well, you could say, still say, you're just, a person that's

the animals, to the people, still I'm that I'm that I'm nothing to be. And then, he said,

let me, let me, let me, I don't have no problem with nobody. When he he let him

he got to he went to that house and he he went to his mochila, he left his everything he

carried to his cargando and he, When he went to his house, he was marked those, but fiatte, what curious,

it was mentioned, like, he mentioned, like, he had marked the bones of this, of a, of a man. Not as well,

the deados, were in the, the marks, the muscles, the mom, she was, the mom, he said,

what did you? What did you? So, so, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said,

he said, he's the charro, he's a representation of the diablo. When they went to

look to the house, it's that they had fallen there a family for a

crime. So, I don't not I don't know I'm not even because we

block but they were, they rancared a life to some people there. This

place or these places are used used to be used for for

for the or they are they they're in

of events tragical for to dogeria. Curiously, where this man where recogued to this indigent

that he was he was able to get riddened in that a hardin a job of a brother. There they

they were to get a pastor to revisit the place, to seeer the and when when they

were the place that he he said, desenttered the pastor what was

place. So, like, they're a lot of things, and a good,

he had the bad to pass for the place that not had to be that he was

that was the energy negative that was in the place. It's me did something

not equal, but if something similar. Much people

mentioned this person mentioned this person and over those abuelos.

But, yeah, you're present of something, to a decal very, you know,

not, you know, you did to the task to to do you to do you or not you

don't you don't you don't know once passed on something similar there in your

house? Fiatte that right that you mentioned that was that was that was

that was a place yeah, precisely after after this event

that that passed to the years to say approximately

some eight years more or approximately I've to have another experience but now

now I mean more more more than a general a a military a military

a general a a one side of the camera I was and I was there

but I did I was totally vestige with with his uniform

and a person great so then So, it's, there in that corral, in the predio, they've desentered a skeleton complete when

when they get a fincar the part of the back of the house, I don't know this. When I I'm when I'm saying, no, it's that you know, you know, saw you, but here, after, they're an skeleton. Yes.

And, well, all that area, before was, this, this, you can't, record that the stories of our abuelos, the cristeros, exactly, against, and the militaries, and vice versa, no?

Yeah. So, there's a much history there, you know, in the city, that there are that's been desentered for, this, to, this, to beck, and in the

moment, then, then, they're, in this, skeletons, and all. Yes, of so, in the constructions, or they're,

or they've found much, money? Or, or, they've found those skeletons. Or the skeletons. Yes, it's a common. So, where, this, my

brother, I never mention any nothing because no me doesn't give to give a apology to this. Yes, yeah. So, I don't me like mention it because is to give them

to those. Exactly. At the final of the I know, I know, I know, I'm, are demonies that personifican.

Yeah. Yeah. And they're making a person making them think that are their familyaries. Yes,

yes, I mean, the enemy that I'm, that I don't know, that we know like the

devil, no? I'm, I'm the enemy, because me, I like to give to give him like a

apology also. So, my brother me says, oh, you know, you know,

you know, I've had an experience in the night, this, this, see,

I, and I'm, caray. Also, then I'm, so, so, I'm,

I'm, I'm, I'm, And, yeah, me say, no, with his uniform, yeah, a person

great, like, her and all of that. And it was when I said, you know, you know, I also

this same same time. So, so those are the only two times that we did we

see, but was in that time. Okay. So, so when we're when we

comment to my mom, my mom then we said, ah, is that you're

an abuel, that was a general. And the other abuel was Christero. Ah, okay. Ah, figgat, what curious. For one part, an abuel was general,

was that he was who persegues, and the other abuel was the the chief of the Christero. In this case, well, defendia the faith, the faith Christian. So, when you said that, I said, well, this, I don't think that it's he, because now, I know, I know, I know, I know,

I know that the enemy who's where this personification in person transfiguracy in person that's the

word exactly they're they remember that the demons when they're when they're

they're like like it's a bible that I've read the third part

with with the diablo with satanas right he says that they

they're they the ability of transfigurars in persons and that is one of the most great enganes that has used to continue to get inaing, well, to the people? With what fin? With the

of... Invitarl us. Invitarl us. Invitals. Invite, maybe, media, to bring a port. That can communicate in the mass-al-ahy- and that other is that they can't

be, they can't be able to be and for you let's ables. Yes, because practically you're

doing a entry to your life for the simple of the fact of the fact that you see,

that's the one of the one of the ungo one of the people who the demons that's

that they have that's that's ability to transfigurars so. So, many people for

lack of knowledge, are and they're and they can't in that error and they

make that that vincal. So, So, all, at that that's a little they're

in aft of and it's for that they're to have situations. What

possessions? Positions. Or, that there entities in their houses, but

more more more for interrup to, but for there I've

heard that that definition, that's that definition, that the demonio

the devil gets to personification to even to the most innocent,

so of all in the people for that you give that's

a no, then the man, let's be the no, it's a thing,

so that not, not you do you do you do you don't get like the

movie so with the corno no no color color rojo

and with the fatas of cabra no no so obviously no

it's not you don't not set to you be to be

to be to you know you do you you

study and know what is what is that is what they like to Saul. You know what you to do.

And of that way, to try to attract. Yes. And it's habilidos. So, you think that in this case of the persons that were in your house,

were demons and not entities of persons? Yes, exactly. Definitely. This, what is the plan, the agenda that has the enemy

in this world, has three objectives. to kill, robar, and destroy so, in that agenda that he has many methods

of how to get to the human so you you know, the manzano, and then all that's

that's been, so, so we know, so it's we're well studied, and know for where

can't tryparnus. Yeah, for where where you get to, for where you're talking

this, I was I, when I was in the preparatoria, I took an experience very interesting with one of my companions. In that occasion, well, I used to go to

his house very often to eat to my house. So, I mean, say, oh yes, we're going to come to my house. Ah, well, we're going. Various occasions

I came and his house was normal. So, you know, you'd get a house of those houses that the front was

very shortito, three meters, four meters, of front, like for 70 of the front. So, so, so his house and totally

of adobe. You know, is that those types of cases, they were many-suits. Well, it was curious because his house totally of adobe, so of delgatita, the house, very to the front,

then they'd, they're in the part central, a lavadero, they're in a pile of those of pieter, this, that are very characteristics of the houses, bigas. of those piedras

of the and in the entrance they were in a cell a cell and a little the

piece totally modern or so totally contrastant to the and all

that they were of adobe and the and the the teche and a

occasion we to come to and when we we see we

there there's to make that all to make

that was about abulted, as with cement. So, then it made

so I'm so he said, I'm he's not he's not a lot of a little

a tuby or something or something. It's that my abuel yeah, I don't

have to the mother to get to I'm because, what, he said

is that she's that she's that she's that with a person, that's she's

sitting in the sillon and she was a very campante talking a I, no, I don't you think. And he says,

Abba, well, men, me, me. Platicle a NASA. No, is that I didn't here, my amiga, but me la quittarons. And I go, ah, carrie. Well, how's that the thing? A me so, me is it very interesting, that me sent to a woman, I'm going to, tell you to tell you to your mom, that, that, that's going to do you, and let me

talking with your abuela. The lady said that, that when she was a young, from, Since that she had to be castar, was that they were

living there and that the she was a other woman there, that she never did a year and

that she was a dayary with the person. The question is that in occasions she had

to be to manifestar and when she was to manifest practically was to the years and

the she was she was being being the the same without

and she was interact they were when they were more

grandesitos, the nietos of the sierra, and so, my friend, well, they're not a man, so I'm talking with someone,

and the father of my friend, what he did was scarbar. And when scarvors, and when

they were the vessels of a woman. When passed all this, fiatte, what curious, how they

mixed them various things, they were the person and they were to betes the person, and they're when

they're this this ojo that they're not was very profound he, he,

when I'm when I was talking about the story of the story of how they said, I don't they've

no, they're not well, it would have been, me said, but you know,

we're, we're, we're a lot of bots chilers, the boats chilers are, the boats

of chile, so yeah, like, like, so, grandicitos that they're

they're to make a thing to make any whatever in this in this

case metier monedas were but they mentioned about the moned as

they were not they used the monos those those when me was

when I was talking that was there never me never me he

never she said to her my man you come to

come to So, I said, well, well, we're going to to come to. And when I was to pass to the commode

to the I'm going to let me get to the man. And said, if you pass to the lavadero. The lavadero

was over some of the paders. It was unestable, the lavadero. And me said, the

jabon is the down of the lavadero. I, me, me aghached for the the

jabon. When I got the a jobon, I see that are the boats chilers, all this, one over other, all oxidados, like, full of the land and of monedas.

So, it's made very interesting. He's, I'm going to say to my friend, I go, hey, I've done it's chance to revise the monies. Me says, yeah, revisalas.

Me said, nothing more of ballade, because if not you go to get to the sockets, my mom, because yeah, no serve the food.

So, then I'm going to get to grab the monedas, I'm I'm going to to keep to

that were totally that were all so much they're to clean the money's and I'm to make that in effect they're the moned grandes of the

money of the the way to get to your mom a be cabron at what you're to go

wait me and I'm and I'm my I'm my I'm my and I said the money if they're one of the ones I go,

they go, are they they're going to say, no, man, you know, we're going to start all the monies to all the boats no, I know how much

was in money in the money, in plastic. All are for the ignorance of no know, of not,

of not, but they're moneyas that I think that they were that they're more money and because they were

monies antivus. So, if they they were to them, they were to do it they were to do much

less. But to me I'm quite a experience of when I was in the prepa

and so I did this event. What I know much more the attention of this case is

how her about this person. But in this case we could say that

was a demonio or what you what you do? Yeah. In the

Bible is the truth is incredible is a so it's that

that is that. There is so. two murders. The first is when the physical, the body physical, well,

yeah, it's a other, then the other, was the murder spiritual, yeah, and also that

that's until that you do the final is when all are to be resuscited for the for the

so. So, so this, this, the enemy now, I've used, the enemy,

just, since years, not is of right, because, because, because, has seen

that, that, that's, yeah, for him, like, like, I'm going to

me too easily. Ah, so. I mean, it's very beautiful the tradition

Mexican, the day of Mordos, and all of that's, and all of that's that's

going to say, a, a, a new a particular and his own own

faith, I what can't think, is, to what I've read,

to what I have done, to the So the demons have that capacity of transfiguracy There are videos There are videos

Reales of even animals that are transfigure in persons or vice versa Yes, yes Yes And so they're I think they're

They're called Nahuales or or something I know, I've been I've been of this type that people

that may appear there So the Naguels So exactly not are your

families No, no They can. No, they're not they're not that authority to to get to say, oh, because then

you've heard the stories of there that is, he's, regress, Fulano or Fulana, and me said that there there, there is a-oh-entered. Yes, yes, yes.

And then, then, and then, it's, ah, if, there's, oh, if saw, so, oh, for the enemy, or the, the

things, no is nothing. Acquarens that he, what he important is the soul of the people. Like,

like, as God, it's more the soul of us than the other because he is the that's the that's the

that's the thing. So, in this case, you think it was a demonio too? Totally. Totally.

I can't make sure that yeah. Ah, and we're going to mention to our abhorita demoniaca

that's a woman. Yeah. I think that still that's still that's a great,

yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Look, fiat, you're going to say,

well, you know, why there's why many these? Uh, why?

I'm, I'm, this, deducid, the why, and, I'm,

that I'm, I'm doing, I'm, I'm doing, no. But, really is when a

person, has a purpose special, and at the most the purpose my,

or right, is to be talking to this, so, here, and, and,

and based to these experiences, so I can't talk to right of that. So, so. So, so I've been been a lot of

working between the life and the death for the career professional that I've that in the health, me has to see people

or to come to the world. Or, too, exactly. You're in that point. In that

in that point between the life and the death. Like, as all the area of the health.

But in this case, I, when I've had been experiences negative, to what I refer to,

a time after approximately like, about about about seven years, this, this,

emigar to come to this side, where I started to have experiences over-naturales. Of course,

it was the general that was, then then, then, then were three people at the feet of my

my camera, three characters. I could say people, but really we're going

to be there demons. Why? Because I, because I honestly, I've been doing things

bad. So, so, talking, speaking spiritually things bad.

So, so, what I started, I, I'm, I'm to be

those, people, are, to be, to be, to be, to be,

to be, this strange is that, that of when I get to I'm at my

camera and simply with with a manotas with tear them a patada, they'd

be a defunable. The detail was when an identity of this

for example was a an an an a oldie was to

the man. And I did so I accustomed to to

a time that so they're but no it was where there was where I was and I was and then

it was and I was yeah great I was I was 26 years I think 25 and I

so I so I so I my fear I me invade a little that

that's in your house in my in my quarter exact and my

my my papa subio like what is what is what you okay and no I

I didn't say to not to ask you do I know no no nothing but I'm like like I think

there's like I'm doing and then then I'm and it's something that I can't share

yeah like for example after all these things that you passed recently

recently not you have something recently you have that after

after that I'm that I'm the decision precisely because I'm to have

soceses so very consecutive supernaturals negative I decided I'm to get to

God and I had that I'm I'm feeling so I'm going to

all this disappeared rotundament I got to get to more pass

yeah I don't no I didn't any a situation of my

I'm like I'm more valiant. But now, ultimately, this, I've got to have a situation, I think

that I mentioned, for message, I don't I remember. My question is that's going to have to have an situation. Has it

like two months here, right, where I'm, I, I've, I'm a situation that,

that, I'm worried, I said, ah, I'm, I was, I'm, I'm,

I'm, I'm a extrano and and if I Kerele. But, me have said that happened, after that you told some your, your, my. I've been told a story, well, no, history, more than it was, more than was, it was an, it was a the, of, the, of the, the, the, of the, the

delhes or the duend, you, you know, this. In this zone, so does. It's a lot. So, it's a lot of that situation, that the travesuras and that all that. Yes. Well, this person me talked about

that has had been those experiences and I really, because also, this,

me took to see a on a place, in the faro of buseria if, if you

know, oh, well, I'm took one to have an experience with a

person of this also. With a duendecito. Ah, exactly. In the

the house of Campa, you know that Yeah, there's a campa, this, it was, it was, they'd have a foeco. And I remember, well, selling a little, yeah, yeah, yeah.

This, then I feel that me to come, and I I'm dispirited, but I can't see that, that's going to a figureia with the, the sombra and the casa of Campa, then, so, it's been that going to be that gorenging the figureia, and you know, yeah, they've said that, this, this, personages of those, that's a lot of those, I don't know. I don't believe in that, that. After

after that experience I'm the guy to the manned to

and we know the he's so but they're so they're just like that

was a duend they just that they're they're accustomed exactly but

at the final of the I don't they're in the hierarchy

demoniac there there there there there and they're

in this catalog of demonious Well, look, I think that yeah,

but I don't know in what level. Really, I know in what level are they? It's that it's like,

well, some other people, they're like, as they're as they're as a

naturalness. Incluso, when to them they're how we could we say,

when they they're they're the cellvas or the zones of the areas,

is when they're things very. Well, they're like traversuas.

But there's situations where involve them mortals too. Because this has been made of constructions

of, or so constructions that are that they do you, that's done, or that,

like, like, for example, the case that I'm saying a year, previously,

I'm I'm I'm sure that they want to directly directly to give

a voice. But me they were saying that in the case of they were doing a construction and the construction, so, that, that they chavent, like, for example, and the cement, to cement, they'd have vented pinces,

they'd inventive, desarmadores, inventing, or that, a sometimes, it was, the people, being confiated, that they did their mix and all the things, well, putiered a firm, and result of that, that no, it's That's quartet, that he

made a bitacetos, that filtered, that they were pure piedras, or so, and in one of these cases, that these people mentioned, they said that they had to

call to a, a sacerdote Maya or a chaman, for that did a, an, uh, an offrenda for the saloches.

Well, is that precisely they've got their objective. Yes. If you, I mentioned has a rato that the objective is

to engage to the person and making them think that ah, you know, you have to do them to do the word altar then the

sacrifice uh, invertive in something or in someone, yeah, so, because they're

making create. Exactly. They're they're just they're really of what is

correct, of what is the right, of what is so. So, so, so, so, of casas that are just and that this and that other. Yes, because they've done

things terrible therein'n't. This, but in what is in the ambit, the ambit, well, Christian if, if, so, they're doing orations, it's unge, the

house or the place, so, is also, this, this, a, sort of, the, of, oration,

for that, so, all of that, and, It's out. And he's liberate. I don't, pardon for interrupier, I I think,

this could say, or something that's something in the majority of the cases where there these, these cases, like for example,

that you mention where you're where you're things, events tragical, things furs, regularly. Regularly,

yeah, the, the things, or the other things, or what get to do a

pastor or a serctor, a Funciona. So, that get to be a liberation

in this place. Yeah. Or that they're to, they're a,

even those those cases function. But in these cases, no.

It's what to me so, that's that they're that's that, like,

um, like, like, things of the natural and that in these

cases not function the orations. Well, or that no function

the the, the, to what I heard of some people, that are

Catholic, are they, they're and they're or affirm that all this can be liberate

oration, they're themselves me have said that no, not, not was possible,

and that they've to call to, how those, we're, to the

old, mayas, or to the chamanes, for that's they're in

these cases. Well, I'll, you're going to comment to it's that really

there's a part of the Bible that says that just those demons that are that are

legions, a legion is more than five million demons. So, could say that they're

abitating in a person or in some place, they have to be a

body. Yes. But this only says that can say that can say that

can be that you can be that these people that are not

they're not they're and just they're the title or they're the uniform that's

you could say of sacerdotes or call what what what

could say and they do you do not not going to

not not so really really they're to have

hung that should be really really well with

God for that can be liberated to be person or the

place, the atmosphere. Because if can be liberated, and I'm a testigo of that.

Yes, I'm totally of course. But in these cases, look at

like, for example, the Colosio, the Louis-Donald Colossio, that is a street very

very, a avenue, a avenue, a avenue. It's a avenue. That's a airport,

to the airport to the center of Cancun, no? Well, in all the

venice, they put recintos for the aloches. And, if, no me

I'm keep. And it's a few months after the of construction put it.

Uh-huh. Pusier there and put it for that it was to get to the point.

If you you remember that was another pyramid. Exactly. The fact,

we mentioned a year, a month, well, well, after, after a

time, we mentioned that that they Kittar. According to that, I mean, some of the

re-ubicered, that not they're they're re-obicated, sincerely, I don't know where it's that's not

very curious. I think it's more than for the zone that's a that's a situation. I never

have passed for a, ah, no, if I, I'm, I'm, I'm,

I'm, before, to pass your experience. When we're trying in the company

of ambulance, not we going to mention the name, but we're a

company of ambulances grand. Precisely, in occasions we're in the trebol,

if you you know, where was this recinted of the Alushes. I don't

know that was a recinted. And in that occasion me went to

other person in another unit. And I I commenced to say to say

things of this recint. Because, because to me me made a total

tonteria that they put it put in the carrille to get you know, you have to

get to get to get to the airport. Yeah, was just in the middle of the caril and

he storbable. So, I remember that I said to this person I don't know for that put

this, this storbo in, in the middle caril and me give,

and I say, and you should have more respect. It's are a

recinto of the Alushes. And I, but what is that? Me, he said, well, the salushes are

so, and so he's not, and they're the due respect, and pass on things.

And I, but, you know, but, I'm going to get it. To be my day

did a normal, very normal. I took to go to go to go to the base of

Puerto Morelos. You see that there had a house to to get us,

I'm my base. But result is that when I came to my base,

me was taking the umo the unit. So, so it was out of

the motor. Then I said, now what happened? That I opened the

coffre and when I opened the bayonet was out of that was a trydair

of the the sort of the vehicle. Yeah, because they're the mechanics

because we're we're making and when these mechanics me are they're they're saying cabron you're going to

give a reagania but regained but I'm I'm just I'm just good pretext me you have to add

for you say no it was the luce when it when I don't remember wait

to read to read to do is that is to I'm I'm I'm

I'm I'm I'm I'm strictly marked revisar yantas revisar

levels of the liquid of the free no those days in that occasion never me

had passed that we got to the base and sacando um and he was you go on

you're going to go on to come to get it's that is that's so I'm so incidio

coincid directly with that me was not burlando or yeah me

was quehando of that recinto. So, it's the only experience that you can say, but to be able to see, but to be things, as you've seen. Well, yes. Really, it's like to demonstrate for this

type of identities. Like, I can't. Exactly. I can't. Exactly. If, if no me respect, I'm I can do this, and you have to have to have. Yeah. Yeah. Of course, that's... Of course, that...

That's what I was, what I was precisely with Pacuarias of this podcast that I grab with him. The that is the importance to entities, the, not entities, or to events, also, they're

the force to manifestarse. Yes, it's like, from the, I don't, I'm going to do do apology to nobody. Yes, because

practically it would be invocard. Exactly. So, no, but I say, I prefer to say enemy, because,

because, you know. You know, who mentioned the same form. This

Paco Arias did an interview to the bruchos more more

this more this and he and he did an

interview a a a a a man he

was he not mention to God he he

he he said in this capit that he

he not he not he didn't the important

and And, maybe to what he wanted is not give the importance, but to do what it's manifest. That has, has the power.

It's right. Exactly. And I think can't succeed with any entity. Well. So,

not are the same. No, not. And one is not. And one is on the

that's, to me can be clear so. But what I'm refer to the simple fact of

mention those, then you're you're inviting to manifest exactly. So, if you have to have a good

so you should have to be a much care. A well, we're going to

go to another way. The story that was for to tell us to

So, so so we're we're, we're, we're talking of the situations

of the Alushes and so no. So, I in the patio. Yes.

And I see that a tennies is a plasted totally. I'm still thinking that when I opened the

door, it was a so I'm so it's but no, no, the door, not even got to

where it was the tenis. I'm trying to make a logic, no. Logicic, yeah,

yeah, so, I said, no, no, this, I said, was the gats, the gats

that get and they get in and they're there get and they saw, I'm, so I'm,

saw, I'm, because I was put to to see car but no there's no there's

no no I'm gonna do you know I'm no he did importance

I'm didn't me know so so I'm to make a a

a a document of the car of the vehicle I'm

the vehicle of the the driver that I'm that

to the door to the right and there a

a little, but no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, it's a one of the only one of the way, that I, then, well, I, I was, I, I was, Ike, what they had to take, I, regress the key, but the key there, I did, no, I left, I, did what I did

what I did to do, and me, me I, I saw again, to the call, and when I regress, I, see, this, the key, that's had been, totally doubled in form of the uh-huh

so I was like like I'm this I'm this is not okay first the tennis and right the key the

and I kept thinking I'm thinking I'm thinking this yesterday of these these people or well these things

uh and it's and it's passing this I said well no no I did importance because

that is what that's what I'm like... Yeah. It's fine. I'll do do my things, me

I'm going to go to other things in the street, my and my pendenties.

And yeah in the night that I'm to get to get to here. Here I'm,

I'd want to see. Well, the I think I'm I've

I'm that I said, I'm I'm going. If I'm here I have.

well, if we can show them yeah let's see a bit let's get all over

well well so so that so and so when I when I

get in the night yeah for to I uh

well I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm to get the

door yeah but I always I'm used the last the little

in the because it's close the window and I don't can't be here

for security exactly. So, I'm used to make to make the ovens

or a one on a side. And these are the the keys that

I have. So then literally were like up on above

of the or not so so in that position. Oh, go. Well, well, and I honestly,

the truth, for the things that I've lived, no, me, no, me, no, me,

no, me, knew, I, see, ah, because yeah, I've had had been

that, this situation in the morning, yeah, two things previous to that I said,

ah, caray, the fact, the fact, the fact, I, and I'm, and I'm,

And then, then I got re. And then I gotre the point, why not grab- because no, I took a photo? And I said, and was where I fell

the 20 and I said, A-beer, no, this is not this is bad. And I said, something that's the really that

that same night me put, the really, to pray to to God to be able to be to get to

me. Yeah, I'm still still. Exactly. But no I'm not that's

apoderate me that that fear. The really, no, because it's to open the door. The principal, fissionse

well, the principal door that is the open for that all the other come is the

fear. So, so then I said, okay, me want to be scared, me want to intimidate,

but I don't let do you. Major is the that is the that in me than the world.

So, so, so, that is, then, God, the spirit of God.

Tranquil, but I'm going to that experience. And the day the next if I was it was obvious that I had

to tell. The fact, I don't you have asked, and you said, precisely he said,

I've said, I've just you've been talking with your friend about things that's in your

in your country, no? Yeah, really have passed situations that me commento, the fact

that I didn't more at a profundity but precisely from there came to

the thing, that, that for there. A family of her He's a mineeria in a country

exanerate. So, she had been had been experiences of that type and that

they were to do that the south of the continent, right? Exactly. In the

Peru. In Peru. So, then based to that and that they're connected

with the series that they're that they mentioned here. Exactly. It was

the day the next that he has said, this, no you go to surprise, look at nothing more. You know, they're going to you know, exactly.

Not you'll be to surprise if, if they're going to something, then the other, then the day's the next, it's a day and then,

and then, and I said, I said, what I said, what I did, no. Well, then you did the entry.

Exactly. So, then I said, no, no, I'm, I know, I know, and here,

here no, here no, here no, there's cabida for you. And, and they've I've been just to

molestar. At the question this principal and generalized for all this

interview for this interview, you know, you're in the supernatural? For that

I said, I mean honestly, I mean, I've got various experiences. So,

the world over natural is much more real than the world natural.

If, I think If God us permitia visualize the world spiritual, weiramus here how they're playing between angels and demons for our life, for the soul of each one of us. You do you think so?

So, so. So, because it's a luchy 24-7, sin, sin, day and night. Day and night. It's just a, is it's a playing and is the life of each one of us. It's interesting that definition that you do is.

Very interesting. And many people like not, figgat, precisely, it's some of videos that we've to, we've seen, not see, yeah, some months, we've talked about

that we're the key. Fiatty that I talk in this video of the, of the symptoms that one can't have when is being attacked by gruheria.

And at final, many people expected that I would give recommendations of how how desacersed of the brujeria with brujeria. So, the

thing not functioned so. No. I was, what that was that if not have opened a door, if not they've been

to be, so for example, I don't don't know I'm involved with things of other, I don't know

to these things. If I find something that is in contra me, that has to be with brujeria, the worst that I can do is using a gruheria, also, for defend me.

And I what I mention is that they have to be to get a so Ceres of light, that if you are Christian, you ask you to your pastors, if you're Catholic, you're, you

are the sacerdotes, and that intends protect you for that and that if you just you, opening a point. So,

I mean, I'm like that's attack with a drugeria is something that's something

that's a rindigit so chiquita. But when you're you're you're

you're you're the door completely. That's that is the end

exactly see, look the idea is not attack with the same

yeah fire into fire exactly. Fiat that this

a this, a a rena, a great no can prevalise.

What is it? You can you can attack with the same? Because no, not, you

do you going to not. So, as you have to look the contrary.

The contrary to the malo, to the bad, well, then it's the good.

So, then you have to inclineate to the other good, the things corrects

for that you can do that you can't It's the most logical. I mean, I mean, I in my case, I have many cases that have to

have been to brujeria for my mom. He's, he's done much time, brujeria, he dedicated all his life. I mean, the time that I was that, I mean, the way, I think, no,

it took to be, I'm going to be, that's, he, derumboed a tomb there, precisely, together. Well, pass them a lot of

things. I took, then, I took, you can perceive that situation, then, Yeah. And the question is that in that she,

she, all the time, I said that she, yeah, yeah, he pertaincy to the devil. She said, he, abertament. Decia, this, I, I'm, I'm of the devil.

I'm a, and me, he mentioned a, even, like three months before, that she fellierre me it was,

that she, that she was, that she was going to move, that she was to go to, In the Inferno. So,

so I said, no, well, at the three months, it was when he was still when he came to the

hospital. Fiatte, just that just said, something very curious, very, very, very curious.

Yeah, I've mentioned but I'm going to mention to for that, for you know, when

we're in the hospital, in the hospital civil old, in the Antigo of Guadalajara,

if you had entered to the area Antigua. Yes. No, I don't see if you remember is that

for the part the part tracera of the area antioa there were some pilastras

and the ambulances not they could not be not even they were they were destroyed because

they were those specks there. Those all they were there.

I'm my mom and she kept in the area and she remember there in

that area there some two cupulas at the center

that have and some passillos, or super antivos, or so, you know, you imagine as how it was all

and you know of the camas. Well, result of that my mom, never, never, he took to

go to go to a because that she was, I mean, that she

was the way, she was she was that when was in misa, when one

was when one the chos that were talking and that were almost having relations in the capilla.

In front of people, in front of her. But that curiously, only the only was she was

she was bad. He said, but I said, but I'm sorry, in one occasion when

I went to a funeral in the parroquia of Sagoyo so it was the same.

That one a pair were going to be they're going to be saying, and then they're going to have relations in the parochia.

And I think, but how is possible me is he? It's the devil who me is saying that I'm saying that I'm going to

do what I'm going to him. So, when we're going to when he's when we're when we're in the hospital,

she began to say that she never was to assistir to a misd because it was her of the devil

and that the misa. It's the first to the center, there's a cupula at the center

and like three passillos to one side and other three passages where are all the patients where are all the patients.

And my mom was in the center where was the area of coronaries and he

started to hear the misa. And he I said, there's the there's the not,

that's the thing to tap of all, you know, so you can't. Pass a father to offer the communion and that

he says my mom, the father, no, I'm just I'm going to the devil. And that the

father, yeah, he, because they're a lot of patients. And he says, he says,

that I'm that I'm that I'm saying that's a man, he says, my son, he said,

he said, he said, he said, he said, he, he said, he said,

he said, and say, Saltem, my son, Saltte. Me, he said,

she never made the first communion. When me is he made to make a

father, he said, you know, you know, she did you see, you did you know, she did you

say, oh, well, he just he just he said, she was her first communion and

you're going to do you was to do you and in that moment he's a first communion?

So, she confessed. What was very curious my mom was a mother

person of character due when received the communion was but

so crying was like like like he he

came he he went and and it and like

to the years was when he was so

he even I and even the salvation of my mom. Could

be that so. So, but it still never no is, I mean, a point

of view, he put, he, he repinted and he repinted and confessed many of the things

that he did, but did so did much do a many people that didn't

even know because he was a major because he was a way, I know, I

saw, I was like, I'm to be a little for her, so that

that, of a way all a quadro for that she

would be to get to the moment because the date, the that were

in the misa because they were on the time. If

no, no, no bice at the hospital. So,

so quadro for that she would to get to that

moment. So me to a moment interesting, a

moment so a beautiful to a certain point in the

he could obtain a little of a little of the because the things was I said with the same

he was a yeah I'm saying I'm going to go to the infirno and I said with

that security that even a sometimes I put the little even

yeah yeah so obviously transmitte all what I'm yeah yeah

yeah yeah I'm yeah all but well so and of God.

Yes. Well, this is a thing that, that for you is very marked and I think and I think in their time

you also you also to, like to look at that liberation of all that situation. Well,

I'm here in a point middle. I'm in a point middle for two things. I like

much to talk about about the thing. Practic to not. I like to talk much

about the thing, yeah, yeah, I'm a fact satan, and all

these things, and all the content. Yeah, because is what I'm doing actually, practically,

practice it or not. But there there's she, that I think I know,

I'm going to spend of them. Not because me say, because I want. Okay.

Yeah, but, so, with that I'm going to say, I'm, uh,

when, uh, sacando babies or things like, I mean, fursom

I'm in a talk about, I'm in a lot of many times. Yeah, I've mentioned a lot of

times. Of course, is what I want to ask us to the people, ohhala

that's uh, and with some acedotas that I get to talk about this

this plantamient that I have some of my planamations are be sasgados, but I think they're in direction correct.

I'm in some of my videos, in this same thing I'm going to about the Santa Mewartre, that many of the people that say to be people of God, persons that that are people that give them to God in their heart, yet are to

be the people more atroces in this world. So, I mentioner between those persons of my religion, like for example, Marcian Massiel, our pizan, the Cotig. This

sir, well, he, the disgrace the life to many to the children.

So, so this Lord had a God in your heart? Yes, or no?

No. And it was of the people most important in the church Catholic. No,

is that there much difference between being really to be

someone that pertainty to God. Okay. God. Yes. It's a little different. Okay.

Before that continue you, there's, there go to the other planteamient. Hasel I'm also mentioned in these

videos. I saw a movie of terror that I gave a message very great. Where a person,

he gets, a little to the carterterer, he says to the taxista that if if he wants

the taxi, no, I don't want the taxi, the taxi, he says, the tax and he

does a money to or so directly of him he's he's he says he

he says he's the taxi he's very content these acts are the that God admire

are those that he and this sir he says and you how you know you

know not they don't think in God he says if I think

or no what what you know what you can do you so

then I made the message of that this person was Atea.

I mean, no, no, I think he in God. But the taxista mediante the actions of this subject saw a God reflected in

his actions. There are people who are in the church, that are the God, that they're saying

to have a Christo in your heart. But in his actions is the diablo, to

my point of my point of and I think that is a good action than to say

that is super-religioso and that God is in your heart yeah that

talking about about about that that's that's about well

it's real that the the Bible says that a faith is a work

is a fact exactly that is the word that's what I'm

to be to be religious in a temple in a an edification because

at final of Count, we're the temple for the God of

God. Exactly. And at final of the when I see that has a

need a person and not practico the love to the other having how to

help then then then then then God in that person not

in me. So is what you are mentioned so. So, then

has to go to the man. Also, there many many people that

are many And you could say the case of many YouTubers right that, that van and, uh, you know, they're, and they're doing. And it's very good to action. Of the really, that's good. That's really that they're very good. But at the final of the count, uh,

at a little bit of a lot of there, from the intention. Which is, what is the objective of doing? And if not is God, then it's, well, is to, is to, is to, the margin. Or, how, for example, we could we mention

to our these, how I mention or the to the people like the like when

when it's what it has a what of the hurricane the hurricane what they did they were

this repartiedera of biverees of the water of a lot of things but

but but detrase that what is this applies in all this is this is

I'm to you're to give to but a change of what?

So, so you have to you have to to do you really say why I'm to do you

want to that person or to those people from the intention then so why I'm

so why I'm to do? Yeah and from see that that God says that he sopeza

the heart of the people and then then then the intentions

of one person and the other and, he, he knows all the final of the count. So, so if, for example, I'd say, if there's a person that he nace, regalar, and give, and, this, well, to help us. It's a

work very good, a very altruistic, well. Yeah. That's, that's, that's, it's, it's, it's a action of love, too. So, but really, if, but really, if, too, it's fundamentaled that action of the why and there I

take a double intention well no function so yeah no function like I'm totally totally of the quote with you fiatte in this case

no is that I make flea flowers and nothing for the style but me it was me made too to want to

send out of I mean I see I was directly to sender viz or a roba or something

but the reality the reality is that you know you're going to get. So, what I did

was that directly are my so that they were that were totally active with me that they were in this

area, I was, I'm, I have to demonstrate absolutely nothing to nobody, but I know that

what I did was good and not but not the recognition of nobody. Only they know

that they're that's that is better. You know, you know, that your man right know what is on the right and vice versa, no?

So, it's a say, that's a that's, that not know what they know, it's better. Because you're going to, you're going to result more beneficial. Look, I've seen something that when

you help you, when you're to help us, since never, to change, because that is the objective, to to someone that not you can't pay. That is the true.

Because the most secure is that you're not going to have to return. Exactly. And it's

and it. And it's, and it also, the idea of that we have to have to

love to the people that we know we can love. That's a very complicated.

It's very complicated. Exactly. That's that. Yeah. That's, we can't

demonstrate to us us, it's that, if, to the people, even, even the

people, that's, that's, that's, it's too, it's, it's difficult, but if,

if you can, do you know, that's the things that when you're when you're when you know,

that's so, yeah, we're just, yeah, we, yeah, we're, yeah,

it's, no, no, it's, so, is, see, that's,

see, that's, that's, it's, the other part, yeah, This, because at the final of

count, we're we're in two vertientes. Yeah. Between the bad and the mal. Yeah.

Yeah. Of the actually, if no, not you have you know, you know,

you know, in the Bible, this, this, um, it's, yeah,

than the sky. Yeah, is true, is true, is true. So, so,

a more they're saying, how? If, really, this, this, we're

about about of the Inferno and of the things that that are for the people that not

accept us really the salvation of God. It's a real thing. It's a question to receive it. Totally.

Totally. Totally. But well, look at how if I said that we were to go to go to

about almost about about about. Hour and maybe. Yeah. But, well,

more a little. We'll come to invite to Saul, Yeah, we'll come to visit it

in Quintanaro. Oh, uhhalla. In this occasion, then I'm very much for for our episode.

We're talking about stories very interesting and we went to the other side too, but also if you're in a quote

with me, it was very interesting. In the other man, I'd thank us, Saul,

for let us the hand us the part of the and you to you're all the

people who all the people who are to the heart. I thank you. I thank you. I'm

my time this transmission. More the M. P. part of Jesus of Nazareth. Good

nights. Until then.