Más allá del miedo Podcast - 06 | Mi ATERRADORA EXPERIENCIA en la casa de ROSA VERDUZCO

Episode Date: January 5, 2024

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All the days were an atoll, a tol. But no you know it's a moisten, there's a

tulle of the water with a to put in a for that spessar

not you don't you touch about some two or three you're going to do you know, when

when they're going to get over the house, there there's a part where

they got a paladas much food to puter much of that the food,

still not they do they're to do it. I'm a talked in a colony

of Samura that's called a chapter December we were in this posta we're going to be in the

time, we're doing this to go to do somethings. I'm just going to do you. I'm sorry. I'm going to do you. remember me, I'm in the serro,

way. There's a little rio, boy, of the water's negas. I vented the pincher

boy, me, I'm going to do you to cross the river, I'm going to get into

some of the carcel, mancha was a pesta I'm the mancha and the

stuff, but right, wait. No, for when? Yeah, when you get to get to

Niko way, for the other side. The Pinoccho not is the quarter of violations

like all said. That's place was reserved only for the Worms and castigados. If you were of the infirmes, it was 24-7

encirrised, in the case of castigados, no water for the perr, no croquettas, any comita, no pan, and poor-it-de-weck that way that you do-ahue, because also it was to-a-dent. It were, that's

no-a-water-te-d-d-da-law. Because that time, I remember, that, net, that if not were you had been for that cabron that me said a favor, if you

me les me and I'm there's a minute, and I'd have a and I'm

not even to get to get to that I'm had been to the foot, not me

could be I'm not still, and well, and well, as I'm to the new

new chapter to this channel. We've always we've continued

that in this channel, not only the terror, you know, that will confirm it.

In this occasion me accompany my friend Enrique Rodriguez. Very effectively.

Alias Titan. Alias the titan. Yes. Let us we're going to talk about a

very interesting. There's about nine years. It's a case very inesperated or something

in the city of Samora, Michoacan. To the the people that know

know where where's it's in Mexico, the people who are people who are people who

are in other countries is the state of Michoacan, Samora the municipality in the country,

in the country Mexico. Here so did something very interesting. There an

albergh that's called the grand family so I remember. The

Rosita Berlusko. De Rosas Berlusco. This senior was a woman

was a caudalada in her moment and to have that necessity of

the people that were in, in a a little of a business, that they had

any kind of any kind of their lives those the children, this she was this alberge.

So, this alberge. That what was characterized was, that had different

tersers, but the most out of music. The music, so this woman,

was this senior was very supported by governments municipalities, for organizations, and the business.

Empresaries, so, was a person very important in their moment for all these labors that she had

done. But, however, as I said about nine, 10 years approximately, that's

discovered that there was there were many many in this place, and

different types. So, the testimony of Enrique me I'm, I'm really

much the attention because he was in this place. Effectively, four years of 2007 to 2011,

almost 2012, so much so it says many things about this class of abuses.

All we know that the press, they're, so, they're doing, exactly. They're very

amariggist, or they are anunctions very spectacular for to call the attention

of the spectators. But But, but in a testimony real,

here is where you can't do you know, you know, and first to know,

I'm sorry to know, thank you and thank you and thank you for us to visit and thank me.

Look, as far the issue here, you know, you've done you did much

marigism as a thing of the thing, the caros that's that's

that's as, as I, I'm I'm I'm not I'm to be

to the The Senator Rosa Berlusco, that all we knowcied us as the jeffa. The jeff. If you're going to be like,

yeah, like Rasa Reddisco, no I can't even allow to the chief, but literally,

I can't put to put to putt down the time. As I, as I said, if the

periodical took a part, but not more a part of what really was the

vivancy there. Ah, the negative? Uh, the negative, and still they let's

they're Ah, the chat. Oh, okay. So, see? Look, in first uh, as I'll say,

I'd I'll repeat anteriorly, uh, no, I'm not I'm put, I'm not,

I can't put her because, because at final of the work is a like she was

a certain point, and that after that the car and the we're we're in

the avarice, we're in we're in all, so, so, so, so,

so, so, so, so, so, that was the thing,

actually only had the news that she recugia to the car

this he had children that they could not they're not they're

you know to get to get a intran ah it so they're to

discipline those ah like to discipline those there

people literally not they could with his kids

for questions economic for rebellia for what they

they they went and they they they're they something

of audience, that that's that's to say, I'm in sure that you can't

you know, it's going to be a back to before in Samora Michoacan, you know, you're going to

get to get a and so you go to get back that's right? Yeah, it was the menace. Exactly. So, imagineate

how was the ped into the I'm going to you go to get to be to be a badger, no.

I'm so, so then then so then they was generated a man yeah,

well, was it was was a something, something that no, no,

you know, no, you know, really, I mean, I'm something that I said,

uh, a person, uh, any, a more enemy, cavern, so,

literally. Then in because to be the bad, you, yeah, so,

I mean, I said, there was a other part, there, there was, so, so,

so, so, you're, you're, I, had, two, times,

you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you,

the way of the way, but you go to the way, but you go to the way of the way, but also, so as if, as if you're going to do, be a render, do, do you. So, so, so, in the other good, or for the way, right? You'd have your primary, your secondary, your preparatory, and, as a raise of that, as as, as the music, it was because you had to enter,

so it was to leiter, to, or, you know, So, you know, you know. So, apart of the primacy and preparatory

came to the university of the university of the music of Guantaju, well, no, of the

conservators. No, it's an academy literal. Ah, okay. Because they'd

send you those, your certifications and all as as a master or, like, so,

or, like, so, they, they were validies. Ah, they were,

uh, So, that's not it was a other other there's there's

there's there's not a I'm know right of the programs governmental

so I'm that I'm there had canacintra no I don't I'm

don't I know the times the agencies government that were that were that they

were they're master of music specifically of the orchestra symphonic of me took that, I mean, I mean,

I mean, you know, I mean, so, yeah, there was another, there was a, so, it was a, yeah,

it was a, yeah, exactly, very professional in what it got to do it, I'm just, I'll repeat it,

there's two can't, this, this, no, they're going to be in any part of the interview,

there, there's, because many, they're going to say, because these masters, if these

were to do their classes, if these masters, they were in the state, and they're

not, exactly, because only they were in a part of it. And, in fact, I, I mean,

I took a thing, because when I went to my classes to the school, to the cross-roha, you know,

you know, you know, just to be right, just to three quadras, more or less or men, passable

for any vehicle just for the, the alberge. Yeah, I, the murals with the murals with

the children and, exactly. Exactly. Yeah, I, and, I,

you know, In the pastoral. Exactly. Ah, well, precisely in those enshras when we're

in the patio, uh, it was the patio principal. So, the time. The patio principal,

was the end RETA. When I went Maestros of Music, there was the area where we were the area to the, to the,

the door to the door to the door to the corridor to the door to the guard to the, I was going to say,

the ambient well, because there and we're all revoked at the final of the

point of this they were of all the master of clarinet trombon trumpet

piano chorus orchestra so I go to and very professional so

this actually if he gets this interview of this interview of my respect

and where is where he he's in the conservatory of

Guano basically very very good maester and the

the fact that's he said a bit of the things he was he's he's always

always like people yeah even even never we're never never

never never never we're so never we did not

he very and the really I can express me more of

the sir yeah this um in question to I'll

repeat maestros there there were various maest there's there

that's if they're why they're because also, I don't if you remember

that you know, that in the schools, the masters they were to be used to do

other way. So, yeah, no? Like, okay. That was the same method

that was that's okay. If you me understand, I mean, so,

from, I don't if you can't see, I can't get, well, I,

I'm, I'm a second, I, I'm, there, I'm, of the

one a cicatrice of that was that they were to be one of the one of the one of the one of the

masters. And all of the all of the day in classes, never was never I was never got to we've got

we're going to we're going to get into class and the mother, well I'm in the country I've got

in front of because yeah said that the man's not in put and he yeah

so and then of all right I'm not A young manor, yeah, sangrand, boy,

said, literal, sangrand. The, the word. Uh, no see what I'm

going to back. I mean, he said, but I know that that I was, but I'm

like, and I'm, and I'm, I'm, so, no, so, you know,

so, my, master, he's, saying, uh, he, uh,

I'm a , man, but I'm a company, uh, he's, he's sanererer

fuland, and, and nothing, myster is that's sangranging and is you're

and you. Well, you're too too. For that you're to see as

chismos and they're they're to get with you. See.

A bit in all of these platticas that that

I'm figgate when I was that I was

that I'm I'm and that was when he

got to they're to inco and that they

got to and that the people and many

people were like you you say, the one of the no, the sir is innocent the

she was an other way, and the other other other side, no, the woman was a

abuser and the people, and they're to mention to people that were important

in Samora political that were the alverge and that these people, I don't

like mention those numbers but that they expressed very well of

the senior. I think in an initial of alberge,

it was legitimately with good intentions. Exactly, but little to a little, like,

it's going to get a point of my point of now right as a person great and a person a

person a cuerda, you can say, and you'll repeat this, it's something that's always

like the first of the interview of we're going to let's the same the intention

was too with two can't for much people effectively it was very very good

there were many people there were they were that they were they were they were in their houses

literally imagine if I'm like I'm like for me me was my I'm not you know what I'm gonna be in my

so I'm gonna be able to me me for me for example of me because of my house I was like that's in my house I'm not. in general, it's literally if you you're

reportages of various people who were in the house all, all they're all they're

all right, because literally I mean, I'll repeat it, I'll go, you're the experience

was different for a person for people, like, people, that say, they're more a gusto there,

exactly, so I'm not, so, if you say you're for where you do you think you

but literally everything it's all everything it's been how it has been your situation

before for example in your case of what you did what you

did you I'm the what was the six years to the eight years

for problems family I was a I'm I'm a kid I

did my that I'm a little something in house

no I'm not it's a yeah, it's a I'm my

experience and I what I do you do to say my mother

my mother my father no my father no from a very my own

my own my my my my my mano he's

I'm my my brother my my son of my my son is the

man ch'est the Because that guy can't do anything. My jeffa, my jeffa, is the person that's the person that's the way

I'm, or what I've done, I've forged to do you to do it to her to get a to a certain

point. Because, poorecita, for we're back of our, of our, for

to get us so, I never I'd I was, I mean, I'm, I'm,

I'm, I'm, the attention that I'd but because I'm trying exactly exactly

um from the first I'm really right right yeah seeing the other way

no I'm not I'm so I'm so I'm my mother in life and here

here here here and he went to we know to but

but I'm I mean I'm saying I'm I'm sometimes to let's

I'm my time I'm a lot of my chakrises of I'm

I me, I'm a planchard, I, I'm going to cook, I'm going to I'm going to

because I'm like, yeah, and you know, you're going to you're going. So, so I'm

so I'm so, so, so I'm then I'm to get to my mom, or, well,

I don't know, I don't say, I'm, I'm a little bit and I'm, but, but, um,

if I'm, if I'm, if I'm, if I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, so I'm,

so I'm, so I'm, I get to live, to sleep, and I remember and I remember, I remember, that I remember

that was in the Central Camanera of Yvesamora, was, uh, was there, and I'm gonna a little bit,

and the money, and the time, the time, and I was, and I was, and I was, I was gonna me,

I was in the Central Camerera, and I completed for my bulleto, for me, me said, but I'm gonna

be like, yeah? I, I, I, I, I, A little.

So, then, then I was going to say the Playa. So, and the same of the central, like, for ver that no.

So, well, they were, that I'm going to go ahead and that's, you know, you know,

that's that's, that's a here, here's a here, come, there's, come,

there, there's, there's, there's, there, and they're so- I was

I was up I'm yeah, I was up literally, I had paid a and all

I'm kept on the paces Um standing up the up the subway

of the head to the wait for a minute you go in the you can't I'm gonna go ahead

I'm gonna oh so you're to be my money and try and I'm and give me the hands

of Kiro andinko who were the Encargous of the alberga

yeah No, we're We're going to You're going to You're going to Oh, let's see what Oh, let's Himun

Well, As come Canarrero No-monde Go-me descarred Anderle Goey, Go,

You're back Goet's Neither Nah, Nah, Nah, Then, Ching,

that's, And yeah It's, No, Um, Um, Well, Well,

Well, Well, Well, I'm, I'm, I'm, Culanito and,

and, and, how's in vivo in in the city of Mexico No, that if no, if you know, we'll come to

see, I'm Enrique Roderiggins and if I'm sure. Let's go. No, let me. But yeah, for this,

I, when I did my name false, then they say, but, all get in the same intention,

one of the great, yeah, prepa. Yeah. It's better that you know,

you know, I'm not not so, but I, but do that your name, but do that the name

false, to saffart to go to and go and you know yeah well

yeah I'm 15 I'm trying trying to see oh I'm oh oh the person

that was yeah yeah yeah so 15 years 15 years well

those how many then I yeah I'm so I'm I'm that I'm

that there were a boy a new new recently had literally

there were a new recently nascents to be there's 70, 80, 80 years A poe

So, so literally Ah, no manches The actually, the classification of us were the

recent that were the women, the women of the women of secondary, the women's

of the and the and the and the vegetates they said equal with the

women the because the recent not we don't know those were to

them to them were the women primaria, secondary, preparatoria,

and the ancian, who, who, or the, those who, those who, they're the

people, I'm talking, that I'm saying, that's, they're going, is, of 20, uh, to 70 years,

but, so, 70 years, and that have been been recoged for, for the hepha?

Ah, see. Ah, fichate. Ah, of actually, yeah, because in the

relato, it said, that she recogia a children when I was more

young that were even to their that's a right yeah yeah

yeah and for no they were not they yeah those yeah

yeah yeah so so that that that's and one

of the vegettes was what me said yeah um uh

uh uh uh pardon for the vulgarity but those that

were the prepa for so because yeah was like

it was this yeah I'm I'm going to I'm trying to try to

why you're trying to you're doing 15 years so you're in this yeah after me explained how he was

the this they got the police precisely security public of that

yeah he de samura he gotro and in the place to to get it to the carcel

to the alberg ohie and of all this people that you get to

know immediately ingressand there was there some of them that you have been

you know you know I mean me did you I said oh yeah that I did you

yeah there was a chino so no so it was typical you're the

new about the attention sores of you how to you and really

not not it was to be to be how to the net the intention

was to see out of out of this regal me that a

little bit is that they're going to get to put a going to put in a uniform and I

you're to do I'm to do you go to do see that there's there's

there's there's there's that's the way that's that comes

that's that's not a man even a part of a

car set you have come they're they they're

like no it's it how I'm how to tell

If you If you had You know, And, And from That's up your You know, Umas

You know, I'm just You know, I'm just to I'm gonna Uh, uh, uh,

Uh, So, I don't have No, literal. So, So, how did they

Did, know, You know, The BOTs Miner? Yes. Okay, the,

the, that's that they don't They're, they're, Yeah, that's very hard. That was the calzado.

Ah, those were the uniformed. Yes, they were uniformed. Only those that were

to do the preparatory could not use this thing, casual? Civil, for so,

so it was your uniform. That was your uniform. So, you had to have your uniform.

And in the uniforms, also, I was also, I was different, the primary,

secondary, and preparatory. When I I'm inrece, the uniform of primary was, if you went to

fourth to a fifth year, it was a can't a type of polo blank.

Yes. Passed to sexo and that uniform was a uniformed in a

plierer in that then a pantalone a a then you.

Passed to the secondaria and it was a top a red

a with the logit the grand family. I mean, I mean,

like, school at the first was the first one was the family but for the whole

colors distinguished of the and there and there and there and there the alberge

they were the yeah, there never nothing was out it all

was out that uh that uh uh all they're

all everyone they're in the secondary the plier a plier

a plier this a simple like this but rock with the other type of kilogram

fulgill those of the preparatoria they're a type polo blue with a

rares like like in redos a mario black and I

don't I remember but so it was a little and the coojo

rogo so you know that they're the what's called and those of

those that they're those they're some other but they're yeah

for the pinchad and they they said and they're not they're

studies universities? No. There only two people I know. Well,

in my time, in the time I stood there only a one was

the university. The university and it was a Nicco. A Nicholas was the

only. He was also a member of there of the grand family

but he was like and he was to the university to

that he went to another one one one one. And as

For example We know, I When I saw When I saw So, so, So, if you Be very cruel How they

The cuisine How they had the How had The places Where they'd Like it It was A carcel

No, Dio, Dischro You're You're You're That's Yeah

Testimony Tewo Yeah, Yeah, The net Yeah, Yeah, The question

of the Comita that's good that's the point I'm I'm a I'm a

way I'm like a whey chayote and bettabel literal I don't to those prove

for over and grace literal because this or for you mention this about

what you have you I've to ask there there's there called

Almendras no is an impacado or a company that they those

produce no pure platinum I And, And, well, there was,

no, there was nobody who, there was a pincher for a minute, you had to have a pincher

of a plan, a can't, dinner, dinner, dinner, dinner, dinner,

dinner, day, boy, of pure platinum. If, nothing more. Let me explain,

how is the soundora with the food. We're we called a place, the

places. So, your plate when it was your place the place

the place corresponded some two or three tortillas uh uh

uh a guise we go to say some uh some

a soup a pach plato was so that so

not so a a little so so so so that's

the this is what you're the sort was the sort

was a a in some cases or fruit picada and a water of

and that's your place, boy, of the if it did you do that

they'd be a piece of there in your place for what you just you've mentioned

they're always five things of the there were five things

one example the the soap the tortillas to let me

repeat that have done the pan and the chongos a

example Or the fruit Picada There are two Five Cours There are you That's a

In the water Like a Oh yeah You know To get in the Oh yeah Oh man Oh boy

Oh yeah Oh yeah Oh yeah In question Of the I'm So I'm A bit

A trailer Liter literal Yeah Platano There A bit There's There's

There's Yeah A bit A Chongos With Platano Of

six Pintes Platano That's like two things, way, and some tortillas.

That the tortillas for what chingas but there you go. Tortillas with platano. No, tortillas normal is

like a tortilla da but your but your no more. In the time, in the

dinner they'd do some and it and it was a double platinum and so

you're saying literally we're just to try a pure pinche platinum we

every every every every yeah yeah um we

we'd give just days, well, if you have you're

it's to the matter yeah, yeah, yeah, you know,

you know, it's the only part that I'm that I'm probably, I'm trying I'm

yeah, and water. If you you're just imagine, imagineate, how it's no,

like, we're, we're not, we're only part where I for that I'm,

for that yeah, I'm, I'm, so, I'm, I'm, too,

talking, the thing, the thing, the time, said, the

All the days was a tole Atole Atole But no You know There's that The Atole

of water With a tulle It was atole de so, literally. The pan, in that then, Soriana,

Horreira, and Gigante, us, the pan that they'd never made to the day anterior to

us, but with a surprise that that man, if we'd get to the mackles,

to us we'd do it, the next a week, and if we didn't they, and

if we were to do this, yeah. Of, In fact, when revented the house of Moma

Rosa, there's a part where they're at paladas much food out of perde.

Much of that food still haven't to us to do that the food that was there.

There was much that was a semi-fresca and there a much that, the causid

was in the 98 and I was I was I'm trygating in

2007 whey in the food in the matas in the of the mother,

this there were many things. It was the quarter of the gourdah she was

like the cargada of the kitchen was a so she had three quarters

what was the was the the caring to get to the to get to

the house of the women was was the there was the

where they got the food that was the second and it was the

most grand. And the third was the of the rob. But apart they had another

congelator for the part of that's where where many congelators regalababas

fruit piccada or some some things like those they were

to the out of and here there was the most basic there

the food the most so more like was a

holiday and a day of raines and a good what you do they're

in a taco of carnitas yeah it was for two places whey

frioles a a little aros and three tortillas were

the food was perron it was it was the year

in the year in the year complete so I didn't

I had I had my family and my visits,

uh, into the value of the value of the money, you know an example very clear.

I mean, I don't mean, she important, but if that money they'd know that

they'd have done, they'd get them. They were some some paper little,

it's for a price, value for five pesos, value for 10 pesos and it

for two pesos. Those vales even if you say it all, even P, $10, or 20,

pesos, the most that they'd they'd get them to pay a valet of those grand 10 pesos

and what you could buy you could you need to get a extra that a jeffa

a jeffa just a just could you could just he could if it's he could if

he uh jabon of the lyrus yeah more than in javones

cloros and only one or two those were they were they were to sell to

sell to to vales, but for the real, always he jabbo. And refresh goes of the year. That, no see, are don't know? Surely, yeah.

No, I see, but, if, no, they were, but those, you know, those, you know, but you can't be able to them. And then, I'm talking, that I'm trying, that's money, for those, way, nothing else you could use , no see, way,

a six-bees per year. So, no, it was very easy. Yeah. Or, no, there was, like, a there's, like, a lot of it, that to pay, man. It was literal That's

The These The The places They were Because there People were I visited

Today, Like my visit My visit is Yeah, And I Deferred Yeah, I'd preferrue

Yeah, Let me Interrumpit Right I can mention The visitas When you You've

When you What's What's What's What's I'm I'm I'm

I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm You never they advised. They advised

but much time after my mom came to me to get me that she's more than maybe there

maybe I'm I'm gonna get to be to make a mother because yeah of that I don't

know much like know so I knew that was he's he's

so, and the she did, and the she didn't make a contract that I was

had to have to have to time and she had to start paying, we're,

uh, apart they'd pay them yeah, but not it was a it's not

it's not it's not he's, I mean, so you let me do you know, but it's

so you're to have to affirmate if no, then you don't you go to go to

exactly, and if you're you're you're oh, no manches if

yeah, of the actually literally and who who used to look to

to be there Moma Rosa, there were many many kids that changed the name of those, boy, to do you,

for their kids. Well, I suppose that they also, much a much a little

abandoned. Practically abandoned. Yes, in that case, so, but in the

case where they had a family and just, no, just, I'm just those,

I'm just they're so, I'm to pay two, yes, I, but I'm

too power, I'm much power, I'm much money, and the real, or say

literal and for the audience, literal, in the time that was too

Fox of President, yeah, I know, I was more here to see a back in the

pincha that I'm sure that I see that yeah, yeah, apparently many times

in photographs with her. So, literal, I, I know, or say,

literal, I mean, more to be more that in presidency, I'm, that's a

pincha a big a biggererone. So, so, so, so, so,

let me the idea, the heemununion that had many Benian

people, I'd say that they were at the people people of people

of New America, New Barcelona, Germany, Switzerland, and they they were they were

they were. So, so you're saying this, what peter? Yeah, well, is that

you're suffering and getting the people and I you're not I'm suppose

that they they'd give them much money. As I did a

cifes you know, you were There you haven't tantos millions? No, well, but you're not. But you're not going to see.

And, you know, I mean, and tell. I mean, and now, you know, I'll repeat. Yeah, as a person more mature and conscientious and you say, Oh, okay, boy, you, well, no mimes,

to do, darn us to eat less, you know, to come to, this person, that was a person that's just a person, that's never to escape. Uh-huh.

Okay. The process of fugue. That's, to what I was. I suppose to know, to do you, a much of those

companions that they were to fugars including your servitor and what you're

and what you go? The fugues were various situations there were an occasion that madre

to the vigilante and the and the they were they were a and it was

a fugent and it was a some of 10 people and three young and

they were they made madriar to the poli because we

know the of the made on the Uh-huh. They were, and pelt, tintan.

The, many do you know, this is the paris, way, of the, of the, yeah, of the piece. Because, not were like,

Cylas, not were, dormitoles, we know, as we know, as well, does it, the,

the, the page of the piece, so, so, still, that you know, there was a

seducia, and a maia, boy. Yeah, imagine how is the thing, like, a carse,

more than a carse, more than, a carse, So, so, you're going to put So, you know, I'm going to put down to see, and so, and that nobody's to be And that's aucer, and that's, you know,

and that's, even that's not, too, nobody with those that do you know. Ah, because they could, uh, cause. Yeah, they were, to put it on the cross, and, valia that that is. Aparted that chingered this cross, you'd have to turn the seducia. Uh-huh.

Tronado to the seducia, and I'd say to the Maya. of the Maya I sumale that they were we're gonna we're not we're we're just we're in a

second piece yeah and still the of the rise of they were I don't

I don't know if one or two meters so down to be down we're talking and

we're that's that yeah after that you were that after if there

had a modo to back to you back you back but the but the

if you you back for the said was a big. Tronado and all, then, then, there was chance that you'd hear you. See.

You'd have been talking, that's a carada of 10, 12 meters, boy. If you've got to, if you've got to super at level one and level two, that's the case, boy, still you'd have to

get to superal the pulley and to the police that are there in the caries of security, public. Logged all of that? Bendit, said, God. And has beenido, my brother?

And to where you got to you? I was capped in a to-kada and a colony of Samura that's called Chaparaco

this of each we've in a talk to tell you I'm so what we're that we're the food

the food of the the street was sacred also it was something yeah

something something something yeah you're not you know you're

not much the talkas because it was the only form that

you in the to play of band of orchestra symphonic of the quintetto of alientos. All right, all that would have related to music

I don't you like the music because it was the only way to come to get a good was the only way of a day of

a discance, for so so, so so. So, we're precisely was in this temporary

of the summer to talk a posada in the Colony Chaparaco oh yeah, start talking, oh,

that passens the musicians to come up, in what I go to the instrument, phew, all they're

all right, even, even, literally, yeah, they're in and I'm saying,

I'm gonna, let me, let me, no, well, yeah, in the corretisa, hey,

there's a man, I'm, I don't know the instrument or, nah, so they're

chocete- oh, the chinko-de- go, and go, and, go, and,

me, gotre, for the pinche carretera me met in the carrecks I'm at I'm at

all the instrument so I'm literally was a one of someone someone someone someone

that's the chappo badeha because the back you're back you're you know

to get to the carretera of the carretera I'm I'm I'm going for

all the carreter to per to per to get me

in the so but but I go go for carnet

by by here they're going to accept a import. Caccy almost when when when I went to the entronque of Chaparaco

there's a little river of and I'm Ivented to the pincher rio way me went

and I'm nato' and I to crosser the river I'm out of the partel

and the battalion of infantary Ah okay yeah I'm gonna I'm gonna I mean to

I said I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna but typical a new and right

when I'm a culler and where I'm going to get and I'm he's a I'm going to see how you

don't you know and I'm and I'm going and I'm going and yet they're

there's there manned there part of the for the how's

the the quarter military of Samora and literally I

I'm a good when when I pinche the camionette of

the boy like if just they were to get

where I've been the first I'm gonna wait the aviento the bockia well mancha

it's a peasant the vented the stombe if you do you don't when when when you get

to takele a nico boy for the other no chingwasom man well

very amarrated with the same abhattes that you're in those

times in those times in that then I then I yeah yeah me guaned

but yeah me of the, of the, of the, botillas, you know, me, me, me,

they're, like, so, like, the, they're, they're, and they're,

and they're a voh, boy, so, yeah, for this, yeah, they've been

to the talk, boy, all, they're, all, in their, all,

the, one, the barita bioling, and the, the, the, the,

the, the, a, the, she, Yeah, when Merle, that you're at the She's just, I'm gonna do you

And I'm gonna, well, and I'm gonna, well, I'm, I'm, I'm, first, me, I'm,

I'm, I'm, after the catcheteer of the jeffa, this, um, yeah, those,

me, uh, no, this, I've got, I'm, I'm, I'm,

in the pyrna, oh, in the pyrna, oh, in the pyrna, oh, in the pyrna, where,

with the baritas of the baritin. I don't know how is the pincher of the little of the real. Yes,

yeah after that's now you go to pinotcho, what is the pinotcho? We're going to

the air I'll tell you I'll explain. It's for your audience. The pinotcho not is the

quarter of violations as all they said. Ah, they were a quarter of use. Ah,

a quarter of a buso of vacations in the lot of man. The Pinotcho as a little

was a one a piece that was on the door, the entrance of the

commoer, was in the second patio. The door at the door to a lot of the pinotcho.

That the place was reserved only for the infirmes and castigated and those of

what indol or what magnitude those that had an epitit those that had a

pepepe that were things that did. Infermedalities Also? No,

those are we, don't think that I'm really, I'm really, but that they were, like,

schizophrenia or of course of that they were not they're commivian with us No, and literal,

she'd do you know, yeah, I mean, yeah, yeah, there were people

that, there were that, there were people, so, so, so,

so, so, there were, there were, there were there, there's, there,

they'd been, they'd be, the, they'd, and, you want to be able to be able to be that we're not even though we're not even if we're

our men's from question of patitis of those that they're in people who have virulah yeah, I'd say that they're on foot and the castigados for any indole those castigators if you were of the infirmes yeah it was 24-7

incerrada there obviously because no more than your food to pass about your food or whatever that was that in the of the case of the case of castigados no a-water-pal-perr,

no croquettas, or no, or poor-it-ed that way that he'll help because also, it's not

they'd not, well, they were, I said, they'd say, no,

water, they'd be so, so, literally, that I'm, not, no,

they'd be, three days. If they'd they'd even, they'd they'd even, yeah,

and, if you'd you had a known that you'd to put in the one of those new comrades like that's

a pincet tortilla like that's like that's like that I'm way you know yeah

you're gonna you're yeah because they're they're they they're

they yeah there there um um a compa mack

um me um encerra and that time chivit chame me

chame me let me they're they're they and, this, , vend my zapats,

we're, that they're to try me or something, way, and pass me a moh, and he's

a pure person, way, whey, whew, oh, let me, because it was

the entry like, and for some rindigitas and just, literal, yeah, for that

way, that time, I, so I remember, that, that, that, that,

that, that, that if you were, I'm, I'm, I'm sorry, I'm, and I'm,

I was, I'd have four days and a while. And still I could never be able to that's, that I've

had been done for the food, not me I'm not even I'm you're still

that you know, yeah, so literal the first and second yeah, I'm

I'm sorry, I mean, I was, I was, I was, I was, that was, so,

so, was, was, was, was, was, it, was,

uh, yeah, yeah, not in the Coliseo well, those is puttaceh, right? No, well,

is that you? You? Yes. But, then So, but, so. Literally,

literal, if it's been more feo than the car. No, yeah, let me, let me go

to repeat. That mother, and is my worst enemy is my worst enemy, my worst enemy most,

like, they've said, this, well, this way, if I said, I've seen, and we

see, I've seen, and, well, but, but, of mal of the

destiny then I'm in the last I'm incering but I'm to say

but I'm to say to for your for your audience literally in the

carcel you have two days of the week a same a

even six hours eight hours no you you

you have two days here with Rosabod God who

who who who down a bombardo and who did that, his visit was one a month and

they were, and it was, no, I mean, he was, he never was puteating, and that's

never, I'll forget because I said, well, I think I didn't have visit,

it was a manned to his father, and right, it's Wichol, of the actually,

so we're actually, weichol, so, then it was the, how's it, how's it

did, the, the, of the, of the, the, of the, the,

of the, the, the Wicholles. And Wichol had, so his papas were of very

scarce resources. I'm talking to that I'm sure, I know I know I'm so that

every year, oh, two years. No, I mean, so I had had

every year, but for there, for questions, I know that they're not so

not they're there. This was that was there to be to the year we'll

oh, no manches. Ah, yeah, literally. one for questions of

how's my mom no man no was a one because it was

the visit every not a the day that was the the

visit because I think because it was when I was when they were carrying

carmone in parachito and and he took the auto bus to do

the water the then so it It was, too.

A despite that it went to it was too, no, you know,

they're not they're doing. Until in four months we're going to be. I mean, so,

so, is like a total, so you know, the hour of the time, at all the

time. And where they're there's there's a place, and a place,

and a little bit, yeah, so literally two people not more could enter. If your

family is of the 10, if they're they're there, they're were designated to

to be able to enter. No, could enter more people and just with the and with security. And with

security, one of the people of the people, he had to be there to one of the one of the

car me pegan, that's at some kind of a car, or that's, any, they had to be doing all

that always. You're standing in the possibility to get a little more of the

food, they'd get to you, and you did you to things that

do some, or so, things that were things that were doing to get to get the food?

Ah, yeah. Like, what type of things? We're, we're about the

things about and the mother. I, I, in the personal, I can't

say, there not to be to be, and be, you know, to be that you

know, that you see, that you're there's there, there were, many,

many, many, many, many, many of many, many of at least

I know a various chas that oh, you know, I'm I'm,

I'm, I'm, you know, I'm a box of the kind of the yeah,

of the same donations, if you say, you're you're the encargated,

so, the same of the same, or grabas some other other other

other, you know, so you take to a rata we're right we're we're

we're they're they're in many in many exactly exactly uh

Oh, my my spouse not my wife's my mother's literal when

not it's not a retive like a situation like they do you do you

do you was a man the but it was a not a thing

or things like things like like so like

my first was there was you but you're

an an an adultic was an adolescent, my first time

was there, I took a lot of novi's there and so it doesn't mean that I'm doing with

you're doing with or you guys or you're with me? Or that the chas they're and they

were and they're not. No, I don't see if reserve me this,

more you're you're you're you're a bit, you're what

there, and that so I'm took in and so much we we're not because

never had been there in the grand family. Yes. There was a time

where I was a person to reclotar for what? For what? Still, it's a disconocid.

Well, for what all that all you know, what's all in questions of security,

this, if I can't say, we're, we're, we're, or I'm to keep in

that idea that was of this idea that was Oh, yeah, of if

no not nobody, no no not in the police military,

is who were, never could not have them, I'm going to

get with those two, and those, without without no

problem. And now I'm going to see, to be, uh, well,

let's form if yeah in a file. Uh, you know, you know,

uh, pass me that's to be to be Yeah, it's a much to parr. A-er-this, you, what peter? A-da-a-a-a-da-da-da.

A-da-da-a-da-a-oh. A-oh, let's do you. Fereon, some, seven-beces, were, those that I've seen-per. And from those that I've knew of the, for that, were some, some, a six-seven-d-d-d-s. And so, in that six-seven-bees,

I'm saying, I'm going to that 20, 30, uh, companyers, uh, for what? For what? How do you?

Well, you know, an enigma, we. Intuches, that, yeah, so I,

I mean, I guess, has been that's been, that's way. Another thing, the media

and much people, for the down, they say that they're there's many,

they're to get to them, at least in what I was doing, in what I'm

didn't, in what I was too, and I was too, I could say, no, was true. The action more great that is, what's, what I'm saying,

to get a bata, to, to, tell, to, to, tell, to, to, to,

for what, I don't know, I know, but no, no, no, no, he was going to

go back, after that, so, yeah, after a, yeah, after a time, uh,

yeah, no, no, he, never, to, I, so,

I'm, I'm talking, , That was between the second and third years, and I was there. No, in the first had passed

of that, or in the last, so I don't go to that's going to to repeat, I know what

that's been there's been there. Yeah. Murtes there's a chingo, boy.

Oh, a chino. I said, I know, I'm, well, I think you're that's very

good, I'm that's very good, there were pears than I there were some of them there were some of us there were

bigots that were bigots that were the net yeah for their first that's the first of

the minute and pardon for the abode but manitas one day manita she came came

there so it he was down and all the demaria after the after the formation of

the form natural for so so so those that you, of those

that you have you know, that you that's that's they're, yeah,

count and manita seven, and the of those those three so,

they're, they're, they're, they're, so, that's, that's, yeah,

no, me, don't me don't, but so, and there's, that are,

and there, there's, and there because when they're they're, so, in the

part of the part of there's they're in the but that's

how have it's been so I'm not I don't see if they yeah but I'm when I

don't know me to it's it's that what I'm I'm so that how to

how to the way to that's that's that's that's not that's not a

car of them they're I'm I'm I'm probably could

pass that one would that one for any for X something but

that but because there? So, why do you? We're going to let us do that the government is

a saint and that I'm going to what I'm going to the government because respect and that they're going to say that yeah,

but it's literal to say that you know, you know, or the government no, is to be getting,

you know, is to be not that the other side. I want I'm want to put you know

that, but obviously I'm you're I'm seeing a car of the know,

knowing that is the other. Yes. So, so, I'm this car.

Oh, yeah, but let me see, how you see, when you do you want,

but the pato principal. He'd say, oh, is that for that's that's

morning, and is that I'm gonna see, I'm gonna get to to be to do it,

but they had all all over all all right. Now, when I went,

always it's the salon the salon principal that was the the salon principal

says that's you're past several by the way yeah the first when you get

parart to make in front of the house is the office of the

the passivit where were the parimbas and the panos on

the the side being so of the part of the

part of you do you the house, and you enter, and here is the office of the jeffa, the area of the pianos, a patricitito and where they're the marimbas. All this side of the

back is the the halls, the salons of classes, and the salons of and the salons of solfeo. And, this side to here, it was the salon

principal, that was the salon most grand. Yeah, there were visits, you're there, this, if, if, if, if you were, visit you're from the

remunadar those that's the way that's so you guys see what yeah, blah blah be a bit of

yeah, that's been good benderer eh, the net to be a manned there a little bit

a little a little yeah, look, all that's part of what we do we're

the salon principal you put in that you would be to sing to the orchestra to put

to you to sing to the carer, so he he literal yeah literal

and you you went with that perspective my mom it's a really ching-o and so

the net I'm saying fickate the master we're doing we're professionally yeah

I'm imagine I'm imagine that people of all curnia that said oh no

look oh yeah yeah yeah well I'm I'm I'm

I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm so I'm I'm I'm over two

three I preferer that they're here I'm I'm I can say that That if,

No, it No, it No, three that they They're well And they're

Because no I'm gonna My mom was one of the cases That literal

I Was with the authorities And he He said, And I'm I'm I'm

I'm I'm I'm No, I'm No one And you You know

You know Sop You know And so much And I'm castigar With

visit. I, I for the abhita the water also I have said. Well,

well, uh, me me they're to get by the way,

because of a little more formal, my mom, they were from the Diff to

revisar me to the fiscalia, not see, to be, the state. And for a mal

that he made in front of them of them, I was in front of those of because

they were they're because they did do you do permit your hand

you know I'm doing so I'm saying the fiscal the no way accommodate but

me amputtarese like you don't you're not you're that's

that's that was what me that that they could get for that

for my jeho me could get me you know I'm

so chiquio and I get the and I and was the

only the age to I'm I'm I I was

16 years Like, for example, the places where were you said they'd say they'd separate,

men's and women, yes, how many were? Or, were dormitories? Oh,

so, were, they were many, they were not, I don't, but,

but, so, they were, they were so much, they're, accumulated, accumulated,

dear, abetated, apreted, apreted, supertas. Yeah, simply had,

there, pieces, there, there are pieces where where it was something there was

two, three meters of so so I want to say three meters of ancho four meters

of an for one five of no some four of the large and how

how many for that piece to I'm that I'm that I'm No, manches. No, me, I don't know, I mean, I used to be a little bit of here,

here, your studio, is two-beces, or, well, the piece. Where I'd doormia, whee. And I'd be done with four cabrones. Appretedars. So, no, and, no, and, without exaggerate, without, you, the, point you're, those, ponciettes these,

ah. From where, from here, way. We're, we. We're not. We're not. We're not. We're, we're not. Now imagine two cabrones in this dimension And we don't have a-mao-cagat

How did they say? Cubas. Comprabs your cubeta and we'd have us to be up Theses is your, theses mea, theses mea-loss and the other And the same, meados andes of the four There were just, just a-top-a-n't-all-the-cobotting the cubeta Because not salve that'd be sole of the lorlore,

and the method of hygiene One day you'd say the C-O-T, another day that, Another day that, another day I, and another day the other. And so were in all

the pieces. There were some of the most grand that were that they were in the water,

I'm going to the water, no, no, no. Sucious. Yeah. It was, how can't

explain? I'm, I'm in, but not was like with the tubuery, not functioned

with the water, so, they were, they were the and he went to

and he was a car in the area like you see a one of the one of a little

a little a like a like a like a a where it's like a

a fos and there was so that was where that was

there was a this a calabacina torado so

let's let's let's let's put you when you when you

in the in the in the piece yeah agrav those cubettes

you have you the other way and he said and he'd say apart and he'd puttas the water and then you

put a to a to buy no what to do you to get to the tautas

and how they said for bannars we got us we're there's there

some in some in all in all in all there there some

space there there a space you this one of this one quadrido there because it was any regadera or not, so no, there was a water

right, you know, you had your regadera and all that. I said, I said, but no, you know, that's your quadrita, you know, you're going to get to balladsasos. So, not it was like,

I'll callet, no, no, no, but, like that. Television, only the major, or only the encargals, or who,

who they'd give them, permission. Yes. Only they only had a mince television a

so. Yeah, the people have a television normalita because they're not

yeah, no. Yeah, never. Yeah, one of the television, two, three,

the visit. Oh, and I, and to the women, there were embarasos.

Yeah. And what were in those cases? So, they were their their

their were their they were not, I never I never I used to

to them in form normal in form normal, obviously not they've

not even how they'd what they'd say, a citas periodical for,

medicals uh, citas medical, for having the state of the baby

and nothing of that only just like after the seventh in the next in the

last, then you just you're just that's you're is that I've got my my unbarraiser

well? And you know, and you know, and you know, it's the marriage,

it was because they were in the muchachos? Yeah. So, yeah.

I don't have the fortune, but an example, if I, with some of the

chiques of those that I'm doing, I'm not that I'd be a embarrassedable,

and I would be a man, and I was a, and it was a good,

it was a good to, it, Yeah, let me say, that was a good to start out of the we'd have been about someone,

who'd be now say, but who'd say, but who more I'd say, you know, I don't have the resources,

che me the man to come to my hand, or let me my man, yeah, if I saw a recourse to go to the over the leech,

now, for this. The head if she was, if you would be, they'd say, no.

So, the passable that the much chile that should be the real

yeah, the truth yeah, manches and as you know, you know, you're

a situation where the she was reunia in occasions. What about the of the Coliseo?

Uh-huh. A see what that's a rata last a little to say,

oh, you know, well, a car, a car, a car, well, a,

so, for all the people, uh, a, chinon, a a new

a day or a day of a way of this there's that's a little a day

a day a day a day was the thing that's the thing was the first

they're at six and a seven of the morning to formation if if you had so

you're you know you you're you're to be in the formation

um um From From there To the What do you Gustin 8 o'clock

To 8 o'clock To 9.5 He'll be doing Wurting Wurts With a chum No more You'd

Do you do a rite Laugitia Sentadillas Or some Something like You put To do you To do

But it was One hour And a A hour and After After that After you In the

Comed I was, I started to to tremble the panza literal, eh? This

Abra in the commedor you were passing for your order this

pass to your your and you were about until that was

until that was until the last maybe minutes like men

men of all so around of the Mendigopatio the of all

the ages of all the CED of C. So, in some moment, we'd get 7003 persons all around

of the Mendingu Patel and out of the commo out of the heada or yeah yeah with Kee or

Citt or with some of them and you you know you know you for those

that don't understand if you remember that the Antigua Roma those gladiators and other

more, they were in the Coliseo to be at their mother and they're to be like yeah, yeah,

it was the version Samora Michoacacac right, between the new yeah

and not important because me took them two three two put them

with the prepa we yeah it was um uh uh...

uh... a bit umpettine d' Dartte to get to uh

to go to to uh... you uh... you're

you So, the She said, the She said, Yeah, You know, You said, You know,

All right So, you're You know, You know, You know, You're You're

You're You're Yeah, Yeah, yeah You're Yeah, uh,

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and the way. Supposedly, what they said the people, that's the that's the well,

well, so that's literal, I mean, it's that is that they're to do, but some

you're, you're going to do you, then you're in the hand, you're going to let's do you

to be a asserraja, or so this he's like, so, So, so,

we'd So they'd do it Yeah, so then you You know, but you're

to do that yeah, yeah. That's that's your back, and if

you're to be for not exaggerate, boy, and for no, no, no,

mean, they're, six, six, uh, two, backetazos, boy.

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but for pendejo, for the other you put more trouble. The baguettes of tambour you know, we're most

we're a backeta of tambour metida in a in a in a mangiera way

then you to be you know the yeah to come over and let them get to the mangher of the

those of the water way yeah pan pan pan where where they're

and they're and they're they're they're yeah of primaries no maches N'nions, contra-neas, whew.

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the, the woman, who, no, well, me, me, how's,

me, I'm, , my, , Net, my respect. Yeah, chabbaugh. No, no manches.

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that it took to live, even that had been to other people, what you think that was the poor,

that was the thing, that was, the damage emotional, literally, I mean, there's, there's,

I'll be repeat if, yeah, just to give us and we're just in

a drama and you do you're really, I'm doing a real real I'm still I'm

my family I'm very I'm know you know a little I think I'm a job

I'm a job but but even I'm really a second with the

third so you think you it's a yeah that's the end me

and there's the there's I'm that I try to

I'm with psychologists, and still that's, the worst that could be there's the psychological, at least of my

part, and I think that's, I think, for many, because, of the fact, I know many, many of the

people who, I know many of, and then, there's a audience, who's, to be, present me,

of those that's with me, the 100% that we're there, I think, so I'm

a, I'm just, we're, a, 10%, we're, a, more,

they're very bad, Yeah. So, literally, and I'm, and I'm, and I'm,

literally, if we're to put them to be a psychological, uh, if we're only,

we're a 20% of those that are we're doing because if there's a trough between fear, between,

the, the, that's a lot to the different, uh, so, so,

so, so, so, so, so, so, of emotions and the emotions

and those that you get in and mark those and like and like for example of what you have succeeded there,

something of what you have repented you, I repenting me I repenting me, I repenting and at the whole

because of all the that man would be to be a person would be in that situation

and at the way not because at the final of count many if not that's

that's that all of the things that have served to be the person or bad, depending

of the person that the person that's me have served to be the person that's you. To forjaro

then at the final of the count no forge. So, many of the things there,

literally, me they were for many things and others, you know, I've got

to lead to them. So, at the first you say, you're not they're

not not the other. You're you have courage to the woman.

If you have courage for bads but at the way many of

the things, we're in music school, my secondary I'm

there I'm know, I'm good good amissaries there

there I'm I can't have I'm I'm I'm and I

don't even between the balance and it's something like I'm

like I did the way yeah we're we we're

we're we're we're more the little the things

that's with a one The the man is not the she doesn't know I'm sure to have a record, a word, a rinko, a holley.

As I'm saying, always the terror has to be with the paranormal. So, man, it's, it's aterrador to be in a little bit of a place so. Yeah, I don't, I don't, I don't imagine.

Fiatte, that I was in a seminary no, we've got don't know notives, we've got

to eat certain food, but, but, but, but, not as you, so,

that's, so, so, still, I mean, I said, I'm still, I,

I, I, I, still, I, I'm, still, still, still still still still,

still still, still still, still, I'm, yeah, I mean, I'm, I'm,

I'm, I'm just, I'm, is the viura of that place. As you in this moment

of so between incredul and and treas it's your audience and not

your audience when I talked about this in the carcel and they were that I

saw that I'm yeah yeah yeah so you yeah for that

that that's that not it's a because so they did

we know we two that's the that's that they're saying if they were a little freakia

no, well very interesting very lamentable in many of the things

but I thank me my hand to talk here to talk about to be so we're

so much good our as well you're like you know was a

an interview a different and I'm I'm I'm so

I'm that's if you want to comment. You know, you know what is? If I

like, no I like, about this, about about the other. I'll be there

all the end of those to all the part of your friend Nazareth Martinez. Until the

the next.