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Episode Date: February 13, 2024

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Simply, I felt a lot and I said, let me see you. We were in a part of

the metro me gave many years of year. Muchisimas to he was he was very

contented because, obviously he was obviously, he was I remember simply that

when he just he just made like flashassos like a like a like a chillo,

ohlas and you see and they were just grits, no, justly,

just to the day the next it was a fancied by his prime. You've seen a

person to any other or a transfiguration of these beings? One of my

my said, we go, we're a chaman to make a colote enormous.

Me she said that he, so you do you form, he, he he'll

he, he's, he's, we're going, we're, we're we're we're

in the energies. I still being incredula. Pus four spheres, four like gongs chinos. In one, he put a poyto,

in other side put a carousand, and put another two like, I think it was the earth, and the other was a

man, the man, so you, you want to you know, you know, I'm going to see,

and it's like the the poeo in the, well, in the in the, well,

it's, he was form like many eyes, and those eyes, they're like,

like tentaculos. Saludos and welcome, amances of the uncoxed a new capitulo of the more way of the

new new with Jesus of Nazareth. In this occasion, newly, from this beautiful

studio, we we're with Jimena Corontini. Hello, chas, how are? How are you?

Very good, thanks, very happy to be here with you with me I'd

like you presentaras, that you did you you'd what you you're to say,

well, first a is Jimena Corantini. I'm specialized and studied demonology and geology and I'm for today I'm considered

as a numberologist. Okay. It's very interesting the termino, how, how you define and to many, I think, the cause a conflict

the oneologist, the monologna, angelologist. Yes. What is what is what you have in reality to a person

that study these things? I will it will be terminated like the canalization

of energies the understanding and movement of that both those energies

that you as you as you know as we can't we can't we can't

a man or a devil and an angel you know to determine as a human

okay this this study to what can do to

help to many things I consider that the science as the

part religious or spiritual is very unyed that maybe there

questions of differences of technicisms but independently of it it also

it also the power that you can't you always I'm

I'm so that I'm because really your mind has

a power very great and the and the power to

do it is incredible very interesting with this introduction

you are crevente of the phenomenon paranormal? Yes. Has had an

experience with these cases of phenomena paranormal? Yes. Like, for example,

what comes to you about the more more has been significant for you?

The murder of my father and of a new I've I'm

first. First, I see, a friend, well, was a man of a

man of a And it was something very curious because we We were just in the preparatory. And he had been a day, saying, me that he had encountered a job, very happy and very content.

Well, he said, and he says, and you know, that when I'm about, no me question, because in that moment maybe no I know my power

or canalize the power that could have to be. Simply, simply, I felt a lot, and I said, let me beard.

He said, that we we know we we're in a part of the metro

and when I'm sure that I'm really to go to get to you're much many times

to you know and he's he's he's he had encountered

a job that he was very content because obviously he

maintained to his family to to I'm I

remember simply that when me brought me just me

just flashhazos to the different say, like a like a

handiio, like a cuchillo, and you hear about, no, just, I'm just, I'm just,

and came a friend, a little my friend, not more, we're talking, and he said, I'm going,

to do you go, to the call, no, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm going to

get to get to to get to get to know, I'm no, no,

no, you're he's, so, and total, she went, I, I,

And just to the day next it was fascinated by his prime he was in the news

and the actually, it was there was there in the carretera of Mexico because he

lived there and it was a situation very complicated because all the that

those flash azos that I saw when me when I was

the story how was the story now had

had understood the why and is that was a martyazos for his own his own

his prime. His primos in Cancun precisely there he was put the venez and he

went to a video to do a radio social where he was and then

his primed with the pistol or even to his own his

his I think that is like what was what began to

of there felled my novi, he was military and he did the question

that's disappeared a time I always I didn't that it was because they were

because they're because they're okay, no no pass nothing me gave a message

of him and you know don't say you know you're you're so I'm so I'm

It was a situation very complicated because only I remember that I heard that I'm just like a

lot more like a in my room, in my apartment, there was a room, it was like, I said,

well, it's a dream, I'm going to alarmar so. But it resulta

that when I, when I see the next next I, receive an ultimate

message of where me that I love much and that I'm going to do for him all the

love of his life and so the romantic and so and it's to be the situation that we're

to talk like a two, three three months and in that lapse of time I just

I just I just I just I'd just like someone when I in the

nights and me I had to me about and you you get to the point where you're going to

well I'm like I'm like this but it's this is this but it's a situation complicated that

when I hear of a repute of a repend a person me I'm a my now and

you know you know what's what's the what's what's he's not and her

and her really so he didn't he did the endire of Fernando

that he had had falles he had he had in a-necated in a retina in that they've, and I never me

entered, never me could despegied of him, never, nor, even when maybe they're interrary nothing, until that, in that situation,

I remember that I went to the Panteon where he wentierran. And in all this, I wanted to go to the Pantion,

and for some reason, simply I, and I said, tell me where you're very curious there was a arbor

and it's a ram a great and you say it's it's a little bit that was even

was still I'm spanto when I go and I go directly to the ram

there was in the tomb of did you with the tomb if you want to say

a question very very very very question when when I

go I I'm I'm disbannesco I'm, I'm I'm going to when I'm

to feel like to be, I'm from the way, I'm from the coo'clock, but just I saw me like I sawin' that's when I was

something that was a-terrault, me much fear and I I'm out of I'm out of

but I'm sure I'm sure because I'm still I'm still like

my father and my papa and my papa and my was a question

very a question very a curious because because from my

little all what I can get to think to or to to dream or

maybe like to canalize it's what I'm really that's a minute. In this

moment I remember that I just like my mom, no discuss with my father

and my mom the only that's all the thing then then I

go put on this channel of the television it were at the

12 with the night when passed that that And in the moment that my mom

he changed was your movie of the first movie that they were a new year was a

was a old year that I'm that I said that's that but for one reason I said and my

pap's no it's the movie when we're going when we're very emosionated I'm excited

me to get to go to get me to and my my papa the only that was

something something something never was a person very very affectionous or very affectuosa

was a little a little a little but that day was the first

that I'm my love of my mom and my love that's my mom

let's to do to get to get to and the school when when I

said I I'm I'm I'm I feel a

feeling a so I'm just I just and

and yeah so yeah I'm I was up, no I could I'm not

I'm going to do with, and precisely they're at three the morning I'm going to hear

a rissita like a like a a risa of a little but so carcahas

simply I'm I'm I'm I'm and when my papa was

I was giving a parocardiac because was commululcian of the same dolor

So, well, between the what's the situation and we're going to the hospital, no hospital

had. My papa obviously I'm feeling frio. When they're saying dictating the

hour of his murder, it was something because it was at the same

hour in that he was in the morning and he fellacy in the

night in that the night in that and the day that they were it was a situation where there I understood what was

what was the paranormal because I remember that all the people we got us my mom, my mom, my brothers and I

and in that I'm kept to be dormied near the ferretro of my and I feel his man,

and I'm and pesada. I thought that I sure that was a dream but

then I didn't know that I think he man I'm I'm I'm

I'm I'm I'm I'm so free so I see and in

that just I just I say I'm and when my

papa was I was sitting and I I'm and I

was I'm he's and all what The only thing that my father

was like, if not you can't be able to do you the day of morning was the

most difficult that I and I think that I did a fear

was that when I'm I'm I'm and I'm said give you

give a bit I'm I'm I'm I'm so

when it to I heard many grits you know, and I think I'm a feeling that's

a feeling so bad because you're so you're doing you're and you're this? And months

after they were to pass socesos very extra in my house one of them

was that my her mother she they had to the time three

to my her mother major. Well, we thought it was a dream, what was going to be something? Then my family when we came to

see a lot, and they were many people, and one day me kept with one of my primos about.

In that we're still the same Rissita, and when we got us we're going to get,

I don't see if called the Nte, because no I don't think were an entity,

nor I think it's, but I can I don't say that was a demon, because at the moment of that we'll we're looking at least on the corner, you know,

does this, and I'm trying, but a car, that's that I'm a much a fear that's a lot of the way and the sensation that all is

to put upscuro like getting to you. It was a thing very complicated. After that, to me, I, um,

I'm I started to a lot of an ardor at the morning, at the three of the

morning in the part of the arm and the case of that I'm that I'm I'm saying

that maybe is the cold, no I'm you know, you know, and then there's

a rebecca and I'm many rascuions. Much rassguos. In all the body or

only in that zone? Only in that zone. And I said, I don't know ,

It's rare, or not it's I know, until one day, when I go to the church, I remember

that I'm a little and that he was a little because that I saw that

many times every day every time. When I went to the church, it was a

little, we'd call it caucasico, black, pelon. He was in,

well, there in the church, I was like, sent him nobody. And I just went to ask what's going to ask what

is going to be able to find out of the sense of that sometimes you need to be able to be able to be I'm inko to reason and in that he looked and me said, so with these words, the responses

that you want you're not going to find out here. I'm abro the eyes and me he got viewing and when I saw the car I remember that that that I've seen many places, in different

things, situations like. And in that I remember simply how I'm I'm going to and I'm going to

and I'm going to go right and it's where they're to be right those ferretro's personitas but

obviously that they're that they're when I'm and he and he I'm saying

I'm I'm going I'm going if you don't if you don't you're

and there I go and I go and When I was just when I go, I said, I'm, because I can't enter, cargame.

He said, no. So, what his words, was what he made, like, very marked there, was when he said, if I came with you, I'm going to, I'm going to go to until you're, and you're

and you're just, I'm marked. I thought, like, like, and I started to do you and he he's

going to he's running there where all the people and he

actually to the he did this many many times many I'm

I'm and he was and I'm every every I'm looking

to be the face the same car that I

see a time after my father Ah, okay. The same car. It's transfigure

It's horrible, horrible. And it was when I went to say that I was I was waiting and was I was talking, I explained all. They're just, you know, the basic

of, you know, you're not, you're not, and things like. And then, after that, my mom did so my mom did so

for, like, to beendezing the house, no? And my my abuela, that is the that I can determine

my goyita, that's he said, no, here's there's their words. And in that

my abuela, you can't say, that's so, was a very when they were to, like, to humeer

the house that in that we had we had been, specifically above of an

altar that we had a that was, that for a reason always I'd

never, the Christ The Christ, me had a much me'd be a bit. I'd not much

to be a feeling a energy very pesable, me'd really bad you know. You'd

think you had a bad or the simple the same to be it provoked to be a

time? Ambos. Amos. Amos. It was was complicated. It was like that

that Christ me said to be me the door that me made me did

but also I'm like much rancor. There something

I know, and no, and no, and no and no-and-a-huh, and when my my-a-precision is and she's just a-maria. And my-a-law, the only thing is, I'm just, agarra-me, no? He's, and, he's,

to do it, and all. And in that, the Christ of the above, so, it's, like, all those, you know, say, and my-bola, no, they're in,

that I'm, no, degen, and in that moment, it's preended the Christ in, in, in yams. She came, she came, it, so,

hem-kem-se, it's, to be to be to to keep my abuela in all that the only

that's that's not you don't see don't they're to be so they're

like rises that much could say that were they're so so I'm

so pano and I'm just spantated I'm by my

and my abel still doing that in that the Christ

so the when when there there when I cry the

my mom grita and and in that one of my Tess that was that was also she's that was she said that she saw

she saw her she saw her that she saw her and my and my aunt and my aunt my Tia describes that when I opened

the eyes she was a view the devil no and it's a question that today for my Tia if you you're asking

not says she's very traumat with that she doesn't and so he doesn't after all that my my abuela

is he went to my old and she's there's there's to the time to me

personally me personally me still me still and the majority of the people have gone

is like I don't I'm really that's so on especially it's very

the house the the Christ kept that the Christ kept

but but but but but completely but so

what the most curious is that the car no. The car no. All is that all is that

all the car no and it's still there's still there in. She's it and she was there in the house.

And never did it for the reason of why it? No. No. No.

No. No. No. It was. It was no, no, no there.

It was like an altar where we just never was connected to

nothing of gas, never had And in your family, no, there was nobody that practicator something

with esoterism, or grogheria, nothing. No, nobody. Summated religious. Summated religious. Figate,

that I have a question not equal, because are aspects very different. I've told you,

but I would say that you know, because it has been with an image

that's in this is a question, I'll say I'm lastimated. When

When I was working as paramedico, I lived in a base of a cross roja. I rentable

in a space and I bought an image of the Santa Morte because my

mom always took his recintos to the Santa Morte but

she was for for the and then I was I was I was

to the time to the time but never never

had had had had a property When my mother,

all the images of of the Santa Morty's they're and the images

were very because were used for their times. When I bought the my way,

it was a way because I visited a market in Guadalajara that I know,

I don't know that the things esoteric they were in the first piece.

Okay. For casuality I did with the place, I saw there were

images of the Santa Morte that were very beautiful because

cyclot. Okay. So, it was a Santa Morty of the seven potences. It's a very beautiful in

a motor very similar to the Mia. I said, I'm like, I'm going. When I do it

I'm a much much time, how it cost? Me contested, but me he said,

I'm a bad a kind of that cost to that's, in what? In quite, me let me

let me start, let's say, you know, you know, you know, you know, not you know, why not, no, no,

no, no, I'm, I'm saying that no, me I want to sell it. I was a man, there in my public, this, this, they're in the artisannies, and he was in the vets of the warach.

Fuella, to give you, you know, say, well, you, present me the money, I prested the money, I go to new to the local, and I said,

a manchch, here I have the money complete, damn it. He said, Carnalito, wait a, don't you,

no, you know, but tell me why, he said, no see, no

you know, I'm let me let me go, let me go to the little,

and me he's and it before, uh, and I know, I'm,

because they have to prepare because they're to be depending on that you're I'm going

to use for a I'm practically me to cure to for,

for that not so, for to have the crannies, like, so I'm a d'Orna. So, then I'm

I'll get it. Here, here in this place in this place, I'm living, and it passed some months and

all the only that I had them were moned as a form of offender. But in

one occasion it's incendio. It's incendio all, so, so,

they came were, they're all, so, but the fount where it

was the Santa Moute it's kemoh completely and it was so

the temperature that funded part of the monedas they were down of the when

he came well I was I was I was to put to the aback the

cobi and I began to to apply the yams I did

but there a a fent of a so that the sillons, because it was plastic. You know, when you incendez the plastic,

goatea. Yes. Well, I still goateing. I'm still incendienting there the cell. So, very tontamently, those tirro to the piece,

I'm pago now and so all I'm, I'm going to have the man totally inflammation. I mean, I was, you're a whole the plastic

pegged in my man. Uh-huh. So, it was a lot insupportable, and me took to get to

get to the hospital. Sure. When when I , when I've said,

I've been said, that the man that I'm going to get a pegat, that I'm going to get in-mobile. I was thinking, but I was

unfortunately, at the time, I know someone, a medical specialist in reconstruction, that made a work,

and it's not, this, no, this, no, this, I don't know, some of the some of the some of the

no, this, so I'm done my treatment. Passed a little time, One of my

brothers me accompanied to see the place. When he he went and he

imagine you know, you know, how he was all the time. The way to start, the chamas a lot of

the chariote, very, really. Curiously a Christo little, no, he came to

intact, if were some the moned the monies, I mean, I expected that was

that was done that did that did the yeah, and the sombras

that were a spectrum of the murder with the heart of the heart

very impressive very impressive very impressive and when he said my

man no he said that's very is what was a so

a little time after I'm to give me to work because

I don't have no no front of the no there

no there could be a figure of a of jesso

because it was of jess disappeared people that people who know about the

thing said that I'm could use the image if not that was that was the

problem others me said that I was not was content with that

was that was that was also that was that was to be used

for being that what was my so I'm I'm very

of the Christ, is that is an image, well, here's the same a matter, because so, as he said, like, he kept the name. But we're talking

of a representation of the same God. Yes. No, me imagine, an image, an end upending

for si-s- and she's- like a, a being, like a, a being, so, you know,

you know, you know, what, what was the reason? I, I think, more or less

what was the reason that was that was that that was that I'm expused

to my mom and this questions that I should be used to be used

for drugeria but here in this case no no you

don't you don't you know a idea of

what so well in some in some certain moment

when we come we we we and I'm

I to understand this process that was when I went when I

went to study all these parts, all these questions spiritual

is when I understand many many parts of the

because it is much in the question spiritual that

when you know you then then even even

even even even even even I know like

we want to see see signs. You say that

you know you know, you know, my father was a person

a person a very but fiat that for that he said,

that he said, and did the casuality that three times

before that he had there a there was a no,

a that that that that that that that he was

a much courage to him, to my father, never saw the truth the reason

or the motive, only if if she was a malice and the woman.

Exactly. Resulta that that that that was a, well, it was the

ex-spos of my Tia, the that was that I okay. And in

some situation, you know, just personal or familial, you had problems with

with a person. Three seven before my father he was in my buskedom

to the which my family me scone and then the question in a question of

no say to call it what was the only that is my and is my and it's

me and it's he's to get to the house because we had a hardin very

but he had the porton unfortunately for that the people could put to

get something that Avented things, I just I'd even thought that

I went and I went a water and things so. In that some, um,

two days of that my papa said, I saw, I saw, he, he,

he, saw, he, and fomot that in that moment, no, I mean,

it's so, it's so it's so, it's so, not more not more, you know, you know

you connectas with nothing. Exactly. and my papa, as described the car, is the

same person that I saw in all the occasions. And my mom, it was a

dream, and my papa, but I see, but I'm with a car

of a care of a fear of that. My papa me

mentioned, my my papa to get to feel and he was a person

that was a exercise and he was to feel to

I said, like, to the doctor, not the basic. And no, no, no, it's not,

no, he's not, he's not, he's not, too. Also, something, something that

was that, is that is that is that is not that's, but my father,

getting to the job, he's, without, I mean, I mean, I, I'm,

I'm, we're, we've been assaulted, he, he's, disavoried, to the

home and we're what's what you and very worried never us said

never never never never and the only that after after the time

my mom what we was that he said I said I'm I'm something

but I'm I'm to say I'm not to I'm I can't I

can't maybe think that yeah there that was that was

that was that was that was was that was they were doing.

And something. And something. And could you connect it also with her death? Yes. Yes.

So, so I'm connected much. Precisely, um, I think four days,

four days before the mother- my abelita, my abelita, she's always, with the person

that's so near that's, pass. And my my abuela I swoon with my papa, and I

And I was, he said, to my mom, no, vial, and, and so it's like, resulta that, well, we're just that, we're a dream. It's just a lot of it. And something curious was that my papa, for this, like, they said, but debaughed the labos, you know, many jagas. My papa said that it was because it was

Afeitaba, but no, no. And, and something that is very curious, is that one day, he scooped, well, so I was, I was like, I was vomiting, like, spoofing. Nothing more, we were, and I was, and I, and so, I said, Papa, you, Dad, is well? So, he's, he's in, he's in the room, and when I enter, well, I see papes with with the same.

And in one of those, I see, a clove, an clove, a great, black, very, very, a clove

on the paper? A clove in the paper. Like if he had spuped the clobo as and maintaining it in the paper and was just

directly in the sesto of the basura, and that that same I connect with the same clavos

that had that Christ. Oh, okay. That interesting. Mm-hmm. That Christ since when it

had? Oh, I think I think it was a lot of my tatarabuela

Ah, so it was a very veryissime yeah of the made of

yeah totally, completely so yeah tiled no no

no no no nothing my my my super

tatarulos were in it's in Italy and they

they they're they they're they they And so, I'm going to

pass a generation to get a generation when my

abelita that's a so I'm that he or that he or

that he's that he was a something that someone was

that that's probably probably this version of my old

was was of people that they were they

they were that the people that were that would

to think that it was for sonation. Okay. But, but after there never said my oldie, that just when

saw the Christ, she had how pass people, black, obscura, all,

somras black, somras black, my abelita said that was a little bit of

the and the casuality that when my his-a- fall yes, he said

to my tia, the the ex-sposa of this sir, or the ex-sposa, more well, was that she's it's a little

and then my mother and then my mom is that no, no, I don't want to. Mejor, gettel you. And she'll do a second

after that she they said, I guess they're, I'm thinking for, that this man was a connection, that this senior did something,

no, I know, but, I mean, so, so, there were many connections that, what was what I determined to each other.

Fugate that is common that they use images religious also for questions satanical or questions of brokery. Me,

they're an story that's impressive that's interesting that has been with Christos. Okay. It's a

very sad in the story. This story they're from a where there's many people poor,

of Michoacan, of the area of and me a man a man he gave

with all the of the heart of his because he he was with the

life of his parents by the practice and it was by through this

this man he said when they're children then they had a his mom and a

his father but but his father was he was

he was he was he was and then the mom

also she started to be in a little I remember if they were 10 or more of

10 and his mom was put to pay to money in the car that they

they didn't contact with any family because the mom not permitted that they

had been in contact without without without so without a

with a frio but barbar imagine it's a one of a area of a bush

much of a very much frio and and they're to give the same the lady was the year and

she was going to take the then so then I was a life a life to his

kids in one of that's that's they're paying money this

man he's he he's he she she doesn't she

the she she's she abuela. The senior, the first impression, he says, no, no,

I don't have money. But then he put in attention. And he says, is my nieto. The sir, and he gets to

just a little more, how you have your mother, a little. There, he was with the daughter,

with her one of his tios. And he said the lady, to his his son,

we have to get these children. And, and, but what you you're going to do,

you're going to put on his mom and don't me interest and he's to know he's got to

he was he was he was to his house his old his he did his

his wife of some of his kids he gave a new he did a new, but that

definitely they're not they're in that in that place in this the idea

was that was to that's to go to the other he or where he was

where he was where he was where he was He went with another of his Tios to the area

Calient in Michokan. I don't remember if it was Guetamo, no, I don't I remember the municipality, but in this municipality, his tio

was elaborating figures religious. So speciality were the Christos Negroes. Okay. The special of these Christos

is that the Christos were made totally a man. So, then they were speciales, that the

Lord was distributinger in all the country, they'd they'd even in other

countries. and has to count that this manchino but was well received by

his tio but not for his tia political and for his primos even he was

he was they were they were they were and they and the wife of his

he was very different to them so say they said that they had totally rasgos

indigenas and this this woman was a model so of these cabo

rubio, Alta, corpazzo said nothing to be with his tio.

So the woman had a certain resentment to make to people that was different

to her. This man, when he saw that the situation was in the house of

his he said, he said, he said, he'd be a bederer in the

bodega where elaborable in the artesanies. And this he said, no,

how is that you're going to be so? You do something in my

house or what what's what's what's he's no, I think I think there's

there's not there's there's I'm going to do the artisanies let me and there

intervened some people there jeffes let's go we're going to do we're going to

we're doing we're doing we're all we're all we're all they're they're all they're in

some of these people that's people that were to turn to attender the she was a

grandericita that of carino he said abuela and he got a little

to do to make to make to planchard and he was a manch he was

that was that he had a things rare because he had tattoos of pentagramas

had diabos painted or things that were new those

for him this man this man he was to he

with him then So, so a little he

started to start to get a certain groups, groups esotericos, groups of adoration

to the devil. And in these groups he knew a newbie, this man,

so he mentioned, he said, there were groups specials depending the abatation in the

room in the that they were in this house. There were groups where they

had a whiffa, there groups where did they were, I don't remember,

how they were I don't recall if they were their encargos or how they they were they were

they were there were there all the brujeria in others had adorations to the diablo,

to the image of Bapomet. So, then, but all a newed for him,

so he no know of that he didn't learn to do things, to dogeria to come

to do the people, so, then so it He was impaped of all. He passed a time.

He had a good relation with his novi. And me he commented that in one occasion he went to this house.

He had the confidence to get to the hour that he said. When he he was the new

the newt of the daughter, the that was the was the he was in the

court where did the handos. Okay. It's he was he was

he was he never to that the court. When decided to

enter was when he was when he was a man he he did know

that in one of these work that he had had left directly

the image of Abomet he was saying the

mother of his his his his he he

he he he he he he he he

he was furious he was directly directly to

the the room where this this this manchino and he he gotro a gold

so he gave a a little he did a child she's a child she never she has

done a good person you know he does it you know you know you know I want to

I mean I wanted to like to like to make you to get to she to get

to the back back here the question is in that when when he

went to he he went to his and to her tia and they did you

did you do a house a disaster so his his house

because they're they're they they're they and that he

was he's he's he's he had been on the

she was the other so that's like the that

that presumably was that I'm here I'm I'm

I'm you're you I They started to burlars. He never had reacted in form of violent. And he started to go to help us.

And he gave a good a golpisa. He was he left tirade. In that moment, he was he was a central of the autobuses.

Yeah, had been passed many years, and decided to go to his people. When he he greases to

his people, he greases directly with his abuela, his realer abuela, and his your abuela

he asked, what happened? What happened? What did you? No, but he said,

well, he said, well, I'm going to say, to me going to get to rob I,

but I, no, I don't you don't you don't you know, I know, this woman.

He said to do the task to his, to his brothers. He was always

totally to the official of the elaboration of the artesanies. He to look

to his his hermenos and he he's encountered with the surprise of that the mom said she had expanding to

to his her man's the year yeah had more his children with her with other people so the

so the boy the boylan we need to help us and she said you know my son I can't because your

mom no me he doesn't you have you took a sure because you gave to the first he gave to the

man the man the man the to be to be a his brothers. He was furious,

he was enojated, he was he was to be a car of his his brother, even he

was still he was a woman, he was a alcoholic that even maltratable to his

brothers and he did something he he labored three Christos three.

These three those three those prepared to a form very

when those termino the In the material, he's asked to his abuela.

Abuela, to get me this material. Yes, my son, he was to the Christos very

beautiful, he gave one to his abuel. Abuela, this Christ is your he's your boy,

he's a father, he's a woman with the that was in that time,

his father, and he's who is, well, well, well, well,

well, well, well, he's, my, he, I'm, he

go, I'm going for him. and from the first the sir very

despota with I think you're you're you're so you're

so so so so so so so I'm

I'm to give to receive the the sir

he he he he he he into some

some some in some some in some He met the papa

without direct him the mirabes, without even to ask him and ask him and the she was the with the

man with that was that's the man he said to the man, pardon me my son

me, I'm me I'm to the house I'm not he's he's got to his

house and he he went to his mom after this man after this man

he said he said he he said that he that he had a gift of a

great. The she was a disresio he said, he said, that he no he

he was he was he was not even he, he, no, he provoked

nothing, and this man, he said, if it's what you think, so, so,

so, so, that's, it's, result that, at a little

time, his mom and his father, fallacy. Why? Because he

did a job special in the Christos. He knew all, he knew all, because he learned during

all the time that he was with this group of the people. In this he's a

work but very ample. Fiket what he did. In the three, he did this

form. He's that the Christos did an power special. The

person that person who received with respect and with love, he was to live during

much time and the person that would be to show to do the contrary he was

to be percee for that that's that's so the so the is that

his his papa and her mother and her and her and her mother

me comment that to the actuality has 10 years 10 years.

to me what is so my thing was the question of his brothers. How those were they're

how they're they're doing. And he's that's been having been because he learned very well the

office. His the the the the he was received in this

people he was the person who he's to have done a

a little to his he's he's he was he did to do

a bodega to create more artes and from there in the

way in the other than he's doing a little what is a most

impressive in the case part of the important of is that they're

using an image religious that for well for

for mal so so so I think that you can that

that that you have to a father and made a through

this image religious more more than that is the

can annalization of the power, of the perhaps, as you the energy.

I think the majority of those that are the people, we're about this part of,

for example, the Christianos, if, obviously, an part of offensive, but they, they're not

in images, and nothing. And it's very curious because they're really they've mentioned much this

part. No, God, is, not in all the different, not in

an image, and they're they do not do a adoration to images

like the part religious Catholic but is the curious

the part of the part of the Jews also is very similar to the

Christian also they're but they can adore or have an image

of an but not they have like the Catholics with Catholic

with their actually a part of their hands no with

more or or what is a a thing great to the

point to I want to get is that really when you know I'm I'm not

two things the first the first that all that's the instrument of your energy

and that is and that you can you can you can't the power for the

good and for the man in that question that sometimes

not has not it has to that much people did is

that was the diablo or or was a god or was or was justice and divina no. It's the, it's the energy that you transmutas, all that he was able to

manipulate precisely his energy and canalize in, this is only going to be the instrument

that I'm using to do you know, because he could have done in any other image,

yeah, yeah, an image of the an image of the man, so,

yeah, totally of exactly. Exactly. See, like, for example, this

that you mention you that can say that could be the maybe with the

person that we've made, the episode past, he

because she is about vealas I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry if there

a power special in each one depending on the color she she's she

but that also depends the why or the intention of every person so that no

important as a color like for example I would connectar to the

people that people that do you many they're relationing the vellas

with magic negra but I think that with that explanation could make a

magic black with belles of any color or even even

even with a saint or with what that so effectively I consider

that the power of the chiromancia is a good is a

thing obviously the flam the mechero how it will determine

no even all this question and maybe if you want to see the energy

that's you can manifester but really not is really the color

a significate is the power that you are you that's energy that's

energy that can be that deprisa or there people

that then there are sometimes they're not saying no, I'm going to say

I'm going to this part of you I can do energy and move this and no it's always

in that moment and not it's that their own energy not they're not even so as

as you know it's you think it has you know it's not with the power that you can't

that you interesting, I'd like interesting. I'd like ask you some about angels and demons

that you that you have a a that's a matter of Vatican? Exactly.

How was that, how you did you, how did you the permission if it's that you're

the situation to learn about the thing? Really, not was of the permissions.

It was a question very curious because my abelita, the that we precisely,

we can't call it as a comodon if we want to see, she she,

she, she, she, she, she, she, she, was very

metied in that part of the religion, in the temples,

missioner, all this part. When, precisely I, because a person spiritual, something is very curious,

mediant the numerology that you determine, so, always is indaga the because, I always

always it's a question of all. It can be very rational, it can be very, I don't

with this part of the science, very pegata, but always is going to why,

for what, what, what, what is what is there's going, so it's many things,

many, and the most curious is that's going to this part of the spiritual,

and so it was like me. So, then in a moment, when I definitely

I definitely not know not know to be to be and the way, and after

my abuel had been basically an option to go to a Vatican.

And my boy, me said, Tomalo, too. I, well, I'm, I'm going to stay. Yeah, I want to do this. For this, I saw more the option, the fact,

to go there and distracter me and to know another culture and other questions. But when I go, the people

that me me receive, no, was like, maybe a signal of, it's necessary that you

know, because you're something that you are destined to do. And precisely I'm going to study it

from there. Something that I think I'm, I mark much was that when I was focused more

to the part of God, angiology, and this. Because my family was, and to the

fact is like very religious but in that moment when I came, the sacerdote major or

the father and he kept viewing and me said, no. She, she met her to demonology

first. And, then I'm molest, no, and then he's not, and it's

not, and why? I'm, but as they're, they're, they're, but,

but it was like a diplomat? No, in, for my o'uela was a

specialization. A, yeah, she gave like a specialization to my my abel.

For be participes of, no of, of, to, to,

like, as a, minister, as, minister, She even even did

do two exorcisms. Practically, one was in Aragone from the city of Mexico and

another was in Malaga for a much time. And of that she just just like she started

to get to get to a little more, until that he got to the and so

to me me it's better you. Me'et, I'm the answer to say that someone

to take the more to do. I'm did So when I I went, my aboela

the specialization was to know the part of to understand the hierarchies because my abelia was the

of the monologos and how maybe, as the part of the Bible to depojure to each or to know

who is who is but my my abel I was for that the part of the

angiologists. And is that it's that to combat the right? Exactly.

Exactly. So, so you did you did you directs to the area of the

demons. Yeah, I was to go to the Los Angeles and I said yeah, yeah,

I'm very and I want to know and this. And in that the father major,

no, of that because it's a thing so you get to the part of the Vatican

and it's a thing incredible where there many many secrets many things

that is colossal or no, no to to be to be able to

but It's incredible. But when I go, I don't just, no, just me just a man, he said, no, to her

to be monology. And, then I'm molest, I go, why? And then, to what he responded in that

moment. You respond to this question. Why do you think that the, the, the,

the, he was castigated, and you you're, you're culpable of something

that that not you pertainse. So I'm I kept in caged and me surprised because I always

like I feel the pain of the person's or I can't think questions and something. And something that I impacted much

was when was when it was when was the movie and me made to understand many of this thing,

was the way in how effectively Christ Christ, it, you know, they,

they, they, they, they, they're, the suffering and the image of

how literally Lucifer the devil he grasing his his own and the same boy leon he'll be

saying, a me not they're like you exactly, I'm not I'm not even I'm

my father me he made so think many things many things and in that moment

the that the father me said that for me was a signal immediate of a response

maybe one a question that I did for much time. And I'm in that part of the

demonology. Me they were many things. It was a time that was

a time that's the instant. I'm completely two years and a and I

started with that part one when I did we I think, I'm with the

part now I'm my my Bola said that's the Angiology and

And it's also also very incredible the people paint the angels like something but the reality is the contrary. Oh,

how is that that's so? That's why? Much says that God not is castigator or that Christ not is castigator

as a, and effectively not it is, but something is just. Exactly. And, And something

is that. It's a little prepotent, but God will say, I don't me going to

manch the manch the manned for nobody. I'm who can't for me. Okay.

So, what's what's, it's so that in the history of precisely how it's

probably the part maybe the part, maybe, how maybe now you understand

because the human can't have been ego, because if God did

he is so mehant to him as he is, and he he can permit that someone

more be able to then you when you understand the history that's the

man of the other you you're you're you don't if he

simply could be different of the rest not to

the rest the same God he's not because did

something because he simply not wanted to keep orders.

Okay. So, what happens? There's this part of despojo, of rechazo, and it's

when he also when exists this part of I'm going to create my empire. For that

they're that's a little and the bad. And also it's also that when

you invocas a an angel, you know to know with what type of

do you do? Because if you invoc to the tonto, for so

call it, you know you can't get in the sense of that all the angels are connected to a part of

a demonia. For that's it's a person, when it's over the name, to be the name, because

at the time in the the moment in that's in the language that's the language of effectively, but

in the same oration it has to say the name of the angel that will depoj.

Okay. So, for that reason is that when you well, I'm, well,

I'm understanding the comparison between a man, a monologue and a geologist,

for that is a much, the sense of that maybe not a devil who

you are that's a man, maybe is an angel because they're connected

one with one with one one with one or you, and your power

is influence in that I'm to, I'll to pay him a

angel that you castigue and the that's a matratron or what

or what or what he you're you're you're you're you're

you're and you know he's not going to do that person it's

to do because the thing is to show and you know the

way not and and you and you go to go to go

and that interesting interesting that interesting that I'm

in this thing of angels and demons how

is that one could capture, I mean we know we know

by the images how it represent a angel. When it's that you

know, all the people imagine with querns, with the musiilago, with the

fat of cabra exactly. But, but, but, in the time, there's there of persons that

have been with what they say the devil, not is this representation. No.

If it's this representation Mediante the demonos, what would be the real representation of an angel? Really, the real representation of an angel, as you know, talking about,

maybe in a concept that the people know, not it's going to representer as like like an human with alas hermosas,

not is so. The angels also are to representer like that way. There are some that have alas

in a group of a lion. for example, like a lebrige. There are other that are present

as well with puros because are the eyes that if they know they know. Obviously

every hierarchy is acquiring a time different. That is so is can determine

and something and something that is very curious is that I consider that more more well

is it's like a fetiche in the sense of that someone maybe I

heard of a little a little so much the devil is so on the devil is like with

not a lot of the other the other the other. The angels not are represented that way

and the devil also is there is there there are there

there are people and so you those see you are a thing that you

say is a god you can be because even they are with

armadura dorada so and they and they they're they're

alas. Ceres Hermos? Yes, like. Of color Blanco. No, no

black, but if we can't say that are perhaps for the eyes of the human

so they're so they can't confundial with an angel, no, or vice versa.

So, no is how it they're not how they don't the reality, not is

like, and also the men and don't the other occasion you,

have seen? You know, has seen some representation of angels and demons

or a transfiguration of these beings? In some certain moment when I started to

understand like much things, I'm at Deposlan and simply in a moment

of a time of one of my friends me said we go, we go, we're,

we're, we're chaman more grand or the tarotista more great or the lototista

he was known he's a documentary of him okay well we're a colote enormous depose

teposlan is a very chile was a little was a really a real real

no one so for why you're so for you go to say there's a there's but what

so what curious is that me said she she's because she's originary of teposlan And he said, you know,

I mean, you know, so, you know, he'll, I'll ask, who, yeah, and then, you know, and then at the moment I said, oh, no, for what I'm going to formar in what I'm going to,

and no. Well, then, I'm going to, I'm going to pass to me. I'll do. I want to be, what happens. Me, he's coge,

entramed, and in that moment, he, he, no, he did so, like, he did, he said,

he, is, like, we, energies and that you know, and that part of the transmutation

between a real and a man. So, it was directly to teach you. Exactly.

I, I, in that moment, like all those who consider I'm in the same they were in

the field, then they were to do it a lot of a lecture and the time, you know, he was a lot,

you know, you're going to do you? You want to see, really, because no, no, to be in the mind to

understand, the good and the good and you'll be in see it, I'm going to see there. So,

I'm in that time, despite that I could have had that I'm thinking incredula.

Until I don't I remember that he put four spheres, four like gongs,

chino's, and in each one of them of those put different things. In one

he put a pollito So, I'm living, so, in other a little on the other

he was a heart, and he was another, I think was a a year, and the

other was never I'm never, I'm he said, and he he's coge.

So, I got me and I'm, and I'm saying, I'm, so I'm, so the

thing, is that put in the man in the moment in the moment in that

the time, the poe, I'm that it starts to retorcerse,

and I'm going to and I go, he's lastimated what you're doing? And I'm to get that

and I'm a molestia the sir as you like that he's like you know you know

to do you do you do you know and I say okay and I and then I my molestia

I'm just I'm going to I'm going to get to the mother because me I dole

much to be like the sofriment and in that moment I remember

that I started in Latin and in Hebrew and it's been like the poe

in the in the in the in the in the way he's he was

form like many many those and those so are we

can't call it like the pulpos so so like tentacul

and like tentacul so so form so and

I was I'm spantada I said that is

that the the sir he'll start and it's going to

a little a little a little a little a little a little little you know

and I remember precisely that when when he gets to the part where was the last

the ultimate arena um so so is that transformation and it's like

the god and they they're like alas, and in that moment he clava to the Lord, the ala, and just he rung.

And in that moment, his response was of him, you, what do you think was the devil and what was the angel? And, and it was so atonita

of what I did, that I, that I, no, no, he could have and he was the first was an angel

and the last was a devil. And so, how he went to your mind, so they know

to play. because you in this world, like all, only are peons, and there are some people

know, we can't understand overpass that is the part of the metaphysica not, overpass and understand

that this I'm doing, you're doing, you're doing, and other more people do you can do, but if

not are inculted, they're going to understand how to see, in few words, to that

that you you would have to be your mind. Exactly. To that you never to get to you're in the

place. Abriars many things. And there was where I was where I started to enter me

much in this and I did count of the power that could have to this this,

that was a little was a kind of a person of a man? Imagineate that it

was like a gladiator. Like a like a kind of Hercules of the the

the movies. Andal so so so it so it was

but all was like, like, with, we'll know it,

his armadura of the armature of a lot, it was a lot, and that was a

thing, stallied much the light, but in the moment of that something,

is that he said like Abraxas, that Abraxas is one of the demons antivisimus

that was used in the first epipos when it was a part of

monologa, he said that in that they were the salas that there

if you could say that not like the paint an angelical they were some of

like poe like so like some plumage and then so

but that he's he's he and then when I was when I'm

that change or that so so that what he did in that was

invoking to to exactly exactly yeah that what's

interesting so like like the part like to to talk

four hours more. Yes. I think that we just, we're just I'm here.

I'm really I'm really to have acceded to talk to me about these things. The fact that

me made very interesting the practice. I really to do you to do my heart of your

good. I'd like, I'd just to give us, we're you're what you're

what you do you're what you know about these things. Well, to thank

you for invite me. It was a greatica incredible of all and I would be obviously in some

a moment to go back and I'm Jimena Karantini I'm the studio in geology of monology

and me specialize more in the numerology I go principally that part of canalization

and to help to the people to you to you can you can

have a power very great to you for the part of the manifestation

or for what you want to you want having those two powers, both powers,

both the both of the power. Okay, and then of all this you do you do you

do you not? No. No, not not. But could you could you could be?

Could. But fiat that something that I understand much of me is simply be neutral.

Okay. No, for the part religious or not the other part.

Okay, I'mtient. Totally. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I thank you. I'm going to

be the last time. Exactly. And more ahead, that regresey for here. Counte with a gift of my city,

with a lot of this with much care. Much more. Thank you. Well, for the moment, dear,

our time. I'm sorry to you guys, I'm very to have been to have been to have been to last of

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